strategy

[deft badger]

get the rewards do next one colect all of it and e2 ur eyja

do u have a lvl3 factory

[undone moth]

not yet

[deft badger]

in base

[peak cloak]

ngl, that takes several hours.

[polar crane]

e2 is soft locked by lv3 factory

[peak cloak]

back hurt flashback:

[tidal sedge]

1-7 farming hours

[deft badger]

yeah but good that u can get that really fast

😄

[undone moth]

i need this things

[deft badger]

supplies first then

SK-3

[undone moth]

my wife gunna kill me if she has to listen to misty memory lobby music for another 5 hours lol

sk 3?

[polar crane]

lmd you can buy it in the event shop
the red thing craft in workshop
the chip need to make them in a lv3 factory

[deft badger]

how does the base look like right now

u get all of the mats on the way

u have to do supply to get that factory rolling, good that u have so much sanity u can waste it in supplies

then 3-8 story

is2 will unlock monthly squad really easy u get 3 ops just get to floor 3 and leave

[undone moth]

ah

[deft badger]

u get all the chips and mats u need

xp and lmd as well for no cost

rest u are going to get with missions and other s-

[undone moth]

i need to up more buoldings for control centre

any advice for this ak3

sk

never done it

[peak cloak]

oh no, he leveled office

[deft badger]

u do need controle center 4 for factory 3 i think?

[undone moth]

aye

i need more level 2 rooms for cc 4

[polar crane]

dont upgrade office

[undone moth]

too late for that

[peak cloak]

too late

[deft badger]

1 more

its 8 or 9 lvl2s

[undone moth]

any tips for sk 3

[polar crane]

upgrade your dorm or the powerplant

[polar crane]

bring aoe caster like lava

[deft badger]

power plant u need the drones

u can take one down later

[undone moth]

ok thanks

[peak cloak]

btw ,Stelle, if u are needing base guide, come to PeterYR ,he has a very helpful base video.

[undone moth]

im going to go try sk3

[peak cloak]

also, #r-i-i-c

[undone moth]

thank s for help

[peak cloak]

sk 3? do a chokepoint fight with defender, medic and casters

[deft badger]

its like 2 runs of sk3 u can up that plant and then do controle center

and use shaw when u are crafting in workshop base mats

[peak cloak]

i remember the whole SK stages fill with very high def mobs and elites

so casters shine

[deft badger]

has ifrit she kills them

s2

[undone moth]

i dod

eyja two shot most the things

[polar crane]

now do sk4

I farm mostly sk4 for base mats

[glass monolith]

Speedrun of making players quit AK?

[deft badger]

sk4 gives purple and blue

[glass monolith]

and sk5 give desync ptsd

[deft badger]

do one more sk3 for blue green and go build that thing

farm after that what's needed for factory lvl3 and control center, do 3-8 story after that, go in to IS2 do monthly report back

[undone moth]

they didnt even reach the shielder

[deft badger]

i think u need like 3 or 5 runs max

probably should have looked first what u have on mats stacked up

u get them on daily missions as well

[undone moth]

will i have enough time to finish so long adele

[deft badger]

u will this what i listed doesn't take u much time

and it will enable u to do the event efficienty

u have sanity and still time just get ur self that e2s u can borrow the rest then and roll over the event

clear the shop

[undone moth]

cool thanks

[deft badger]

np

[peak cloak]

sir or madam.

u are exact 11 days late so u can finish stages but wont be able to wipe shop.
get yourself some cool mats, books, lmd first.

[glass monolith]

Next you gonna tell her she won't wipe EX/S stages with e1 operators?

[peak cloak]

nah, i wont, that's insane

looks Danbo

[tidal sedge]

Hm. Even with level ups?

I mean clearing shop btw

[glass monolith]

Shops be like 1 ride from "just obtained" to e1 max

With materials to boosts progress for e2ing/masteries

[spark sinew]

i wonder what's the story here, cbt tester that liked hsr so much they made the acc this 🤔
you might be able to get some rewards with level ups and maybe a couple OP

[deft badger]

Mx.

skip the sir madam part western world to cringe for that xD

english sucks btw

[peak cloak]

no sir, i wont do that.

[deft badger]

not going to get in to that people getting to easy offended

[peak cloak]

[undone moth]

they not doing anything wrong

[deft badger]

going just to say pronounce...

[spark sinew]

no one was until you started it

[undone moth]

pronouncing what

[peak cloak]

i say lady and gentlement instead?

[spark sinew]

a lost cause, both of you

[deft badger]

bro the last time i called a dude on the street sir he spend 15min lecturing me, i regrated my life cuisses instantly
he can help him self from that point on, i am not going to speak english with strangers because it doesn't have a universal pronounce like german does

[undone moth]

[deft badger]

and don't think i am hating on someone, i mean just give me something that doesn't define gender

then non has to be offended

[undone moth]

nobody gets offended like that

[deft badger]

u bet that guy did lol

[undone moth]

well im a girl and i did not lose my shit when people said he

[peak cloak]

well, maybe difference in countries.

[undone moth]

only time i see people get offended is when they see a pronoun, despite using them 24/7

i, you, they, we etc are all pronoun

[deft badger]

western world has become to cringe
that person asked me for help btw, with the words do u speak english
me using sir did upset him

[undone moth]

like if you get mad over pronoun in bio, you might need psychiatric help

like my mum

[deft badger]

well we use Sie in german, its at the same time sir, madam, they, them

[undone moth]

we dont have gendered word like that in spanish, refering to collective of us is just latino

only words have gender like un gato or una mesa

nouns i mean

[deft badger]

well we do as well but u don't use them with people u don't know

[tropic valve]

we in French also have gender but there are too many exceptions so no one knows them

[deft badger]

they them sir madam but u never use that when u talk with someone u don't know

[tropic valve]

o/a ending is so much nicer

[undone moth]

there is a trend to make gender pronouns in spanish, its not what im used to but i know what they are and im not going to be mean if someone uses

[deft badger]

hahahaha

[undone moth]

some people use elle instead of el or ella

for no gender

[opal kiln]

amazing #strategy topic

[tropic valve]

we're discussing Conviction strats

[opal kiln]

[strange fable]

Real

[undone moth]

je parle francais aussi

[deft badger]

well there is no need to do in german, since we have that one magical word
that's why i call english stupid, give me a word that fits all
russian vy oni, german Sie, idk u name it

[undone moth]

je l'ai appris a l'ecole

[tidal sedge]

Singular they

[undone moth]

pardon its hard to do accents on phone lol

[tidal sedge]

On my phone I can hold the key and it shows accent mark options

[gleaming lodge]

Wait you're French Cirno ?
Nice

[undone moth]

im just an english and mexican half breed

[tropic valve]

Quebecois actually

[crisp bolt]

[undone moth]

my mums from yorkshire

[gleaming lodge]

Ayo
Nice
I visited Quebec once, very nice place

[undone moth]

while mi padre es de mexico

[tropic valve]

tabarnak, I mean, nice

[polar crane]

[deft badger]

@spark sinew 🍿

i know u are reading and having fun doing lol

can i use ur horn 😛

[deft badger]

whats that thing?

[polar crane]

air bump

[spark sinew]

this is not a fun topic for me, even if we ignore the offtopic stuff 🛌
my horn is m5

[polar crane]

operator in it dont get affected by flood

[limpid siren]

can we go back to when you were mad about petty shit

[deft badger]

i guess its one of the cards u can pick

[deft badger]

igneus i wasn't mad right now btw... just don't want some stupid monkey to s- on him for some stupid reason which he isn't to blame for, bleme it on english instead

[undone moth]

im having trouble with the casters in 2-5

[gleaming lodge]

Cute setup

[gleaming lodge]

That's the map with static AoE casters right ?

[undone moth]

yes

[gleaming lodge]

Iirc you want to kill the top one, then deploy your ops toward the bottom (and kill the bottom one as well)

The other two can wait a bit since they are quite far in the back

[undone moth]

do they move

[gleaming lodge]

Snipers do a great job at killing them from a safe spot

Yeah they move but towards the end

You don't have to prioritise killing them

[undone moth]

ok ty

[gleaming lodge]

Kill the first two > deploy a stable position > dispatch ops to kill the other two

[undone moth]

ok

[undone moth]

my wifes oma is 82 and has no problem with english pronoun lol

[deft badger]

everyone who is clear in his mind wouldn't have lol

[undone moth]

she is a very cool lady, she left nazi germany and marched with dr martin luther king jr in selma alabama

[gleaming lodge]

Damn

Your grandma is metal

[undone moth]

we watch deutsche welle together to learn german

[gleaming lodge]

Any success with 2-5

[deft badger]

have really to google what they are even airing on DW nowadays

[gleaming lodge]

What do you mean

[deft badger]

well how do u call it airing, televising, playing?

what's the right word for it

[undone moth]

i havent gone back to try it yet

out of phone battery

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah but what's wrong about looking up the TV program?

[undone moth]

whos that cat girl in the endfield trailer is she in ak

[gleaming lodge]

You are excessively good at finding things to whine about

[gleaming lodge]

Percila or something
But no she isn't in AK

[tidal sedge]

Why do folks compare Swire Alter s3 to Weedy s3. My experiences using the former has been more like Cutter s1 than Weedy s3

[deft badger]

nothing i did say i have to look it up since i don't know what's on it, only remember it was more like politically documentary oriented

is swire worth it?

[gleaming lodge]

Not the same class, can't compare, sorry

[tidal sedge]

lol

[undone moth]

dang shes kinda pretty and pretty my #1 drawing reason

[spark sinew]

she's pretty

pretty bad

[gleaming lodge]

You draw ?

[deft badger]

ok not worth e2

[tidal sedge]

I'm among the worst people to ask this. I don't have normal people sensibilities

[deft badger]

at the other hand its hauck saying bad, who considers everything bad 😄

[spark sinew]

you have like 10 better ops not raised, an i'm probably lowballing it

[deft badger]

especially when i do it

[gleaming lodge]

Nah Swire alter is not good
I thought that was obvious
Her mechanics are funny but she isn't very impactful

[spark sinew]

except i actually use them before saying that, cough cough you who just leaves shit at m1

[deft badger]

well here is the list and i don't know which to do next

saved for typhone and i can do one more

[undone moth]

but its a catgirl in a bikini do you need a reason other than that to use her

[gleaming lodge]

wtf flexing in #strategy ??

[limpid siren]

isn't "swire bad" just from the perspective of peak meta

[gleaming lodge]

Ban this guy

[spark sinew]

you have plenty of m1 stuff as well

[limpid siren]

she seems to be pretty decent from what i've seen

[gleaming lodge]

In a sense every 6* is good yeah

[limpid siren]

just that she's not excellent in any one category

i mean

not really

not in this way

[tidal sedge]

Most folks with a developing roster are dissuaded from raising her because merchant unfortunately

[deft badger]

QB is the only op that is M1 and exu i think

that's going to stay that way

[undone moth]

so i should stop rolling for goat lady and save for purple ceobe?

[gleaming lodge]

M1 Exu...

[deft badger]

i still have the mats to do that mastery part and e2 two ops right now

[gleaming lodge]

What do you mean ?

[spark sinew]

who's goat lady eyja?

[undone moth]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/eyjafjalla-chibi-gif-1966932993222757717

[cedar hound]

Sheep ≠ goat 🤓

[limpid siren]

siege is "good" but definitely not in the same way that swire is

[spark sinew]

hard to say
a limited is a limited, and an excellent one at her role at that

i actually wonder who would be better in harder content later on

not max CC hard, but like just ch14 H stages hard for example

[gleaming lodge]

Fair enough

[vernal lion]

HG is cooking for "every limited op for every archetype"

soon contents will be harder for sure

[dark glade]

limited pioneer next

[deft badger]

@spark sinew
pick one
its fia, mizuki, mumu, sail wanna do one of them
eben when his mod is here, (mostima-vigil-silence) never, weedy when i actually need her to be e2, rest in time

[crisp bolt]

if the new Sui sibling is a pioneer

[spark sinew]

she looks...

well, not a guard

[undone moth]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-arknights-gif-26475387

[dark glade]

livestream is today right?

[undone moth]

but shes a good goat

[crisp bolt]

yeah in a few hours

[tidal sedge]

Yes. In some number of hours

[dark glade]

[spark sinew]

yeah billi had a banner image

[peak cloak]

i dont think en has livestream

[deft badger]

are they going to announce something?

[spark sinew]

with suis, her and zuo le or whatever he was called

[crisp bolt]

of course en doesn't

[tidal sedge]

CN livestream for CNY event

[peak cloak]

or u means cn one?

[dark glade]

of course en doesnt

[deft badger]

nvm..

[peak cloak]

ah okay

[crisp bolt]

Zuo Le

[deft badger]

how far behind is JP

[dark glade]

hauck can i add you with my alt

but do you even have schwarz

[crisp bolt]

JP is slightly ahead of Global

[deft badger]

hahahaha
next guy who is going to abuse hauck (how i feel asking all the time for his ops)

[crisp bolt]

because of time zone, they get updates earlier

[tidal sedge]

Zuo Le be new 5* executor pls

5*s could use a stronger Red s1

[limpid siren]

man

[dark glade]

we have that

its called phantom

[limpid siren]

that's actually the one kind of power creep i don't care about for 5*s

[tidal sedge]

Really?

[crisp bolt]

I like waai fu though

[deft badger]

didn't JP start after global?

[spark sinew]

feel free to give me a bit to find someone to kick

[limpid siren]

no i don't want to play the same hilarious texas/yato spam style that 6* teams get to play

[spark sinew]

a person with m1 qb seems like a good candidate

[dark glade]

[tidal sedge]

Oh. I see

[foggy grove]

let it be good 6*

[tidal sedge]

I wasn't thinking like that much stronger though

[crisp bolt]

JP was part of global release

[deft badger]

hahaha i knew it, is going to name me when it comes to kicking someone

[foggy grove]

and on rare archetype

[dark glade]

Zee#5182 if ur ingame, i will login after reset btw

[tidal sedge]

Maybe like +120% atk and a bit more duration with a worse defense than 50% dodge

Like 20% sanctuary with a condition or smth

[dark glade]

like camo?

[deft badger]

hmm i thought JP is couple months behind nvm.. did hope for texas alt

[crisp bolt]

you're thinking of Taiwan

[deft badger]

i didn't even know there is taiwan

[spark sinew]

just noticed whyd you need her though, I have pozy

[dark glade]

true

🏃‍♂️

[limpid siren]

don't bait here

[dark glade]

i think thats too far yea

[shell arch]

I think mods actively search for t word in the server

[tidal sedge]

Personally I just want an executor who can wear Hand of Superspeed well without having to use the 6*s

[shell arch]

T series

[dark glade]

is pozy better to start IS2

[limpid siren]

tbh i just want something strong

😤

[dark glade]

i find schwarz better

[tidal sedge]

Well, I guess Red still does that fine

[spark sinew]

well they're kinda sloppy about it

[dark glade]

for is3 i like pozy more

[crisp bolt]

surely

[spark sinew]

my schwarz is modX2

[crisp bolt]

I could use more 5*'s to draft in IS

[spark sinew]

no modY

[dark glade]

i just want to kill lucian

which i fail with fedex due to massive skill issue

[tidal sedge]

If Zuo Le is the other 6 star then I've no guess for 5 star

[dark glade]

idk if i can fix it with schwarz

[spark sinew]

modY is the one with dodge ignore

[shell arch]

Lucian? Is it my time to encourage the s3 mudrock tech?

[dark glade]

fuck

[limpid siren]

watch it be yet another new sniper archetype

[crisp bolt]

5* loopshooter

[spark sinew]

but idk i think even cirno agreed pozy is better

so you know it's not even close

[dark glade]

its lucian with 0 tree upgrade and 0 relic unlock

[tidal sedge]

Actually, if Zuo Le is 6 star, I want 5 star to be Warmy burn buddy

[dark glade]

all i get the entire run is quad size

[limpid siren]

that could make sense

[dark glade]

ok maybe set the better fedex

wait i cant borrow fedex and pozy in the same ru

fuck this i play EX stage first then i do IS

[crisp bolt]

Honestly I'm really looking forward to higher rarity loopshooter

[spark sinew]

you can do forbidden strat

blue woman

[crisp bolt]

Caper is a cool op

[dark glade]

or something like drone sniper

[dark glade]

do you even have her max mod

[spark sinew]

obviously

[dark glade]

sure set fedex ling

[spark sinew]

not in game rn, so i'll login after reset as well ping me or i will forget

[dark glade]

@hauck

[undone moth]

how do i get surtr

[limpid siren]

[civic nest]

money

[limpid siren]

she's not rateup rn

[spark sinew]

you play like a month ago and buy her
right now it's better to not even try

[limpid siren]

so outside of an insane amount of pulls, you wait until she hits rateup somewhere

[spark sinew]

idt we even have top op voucher on sale rn

[dark glade]

nope we dont

[limpid siren]

selector should come with virtuosa?

[spark sinew]

there's what, the bochi banner

but it's jo12 iirc

so uh.....

[dark glade]

yea thats jo12

11 is mweinar

[deft badger]

yes

[spark sinew]

11 is way better anyway

[deft badger]

reed added

[undone moth]

summer surt

[spark sinew]

oh it has kernel ops?

what a scam

[deft badger]

thats the next selector

[crisp bolt]

yeah that's selector

[spark sinew]

yeah ik

wait what is with the ordering

[deft badger]

will get my self suzu or reed xD

[spark sinew]

why is gg after aak

[crisp bolt]

it's cursed is what it is

[spark sinew]

it's not top-down as well cause thorns is on the first row

[deft badger]

i got it from the event page then just cut it in the middle since its to big and put it next to eachother

[spark sinew]

def cursed af yes

[crisp bolt]

oh I see now

[glass monolith]

I finished normal stages, i finished EX, i finished EX CM. And then i find out you can place bottles on ranged tiles thanks to youtube clears

[limpid siren]

[undone moth]

whats kernal op

[deft badger]

blue banner

[crisp bolt]

the shit banner

[undone moth]

whys it shit

[spark sinew]

something you shouldn't pull

[dark glade]

because its blue

[glass monolith]

Year 1 operators, issue is drawing on it don't give you gold certs or any other advantages toward year 2+ shit

[spark sinew]

honestly if you wanted you could try to reroll rn

[deft badger]

does blue have pity?

[spark sinew]

depending

[undone moth]

im blue da ba dee banner

[dark glade]

reroll surtr

[glass monolith]

My main question IF kernal and standard share pity, because i got Exu in 3 free blue pulls and it slowly ticking in my head that i might have fucked my Typhon odds

[tidal sedge]

They shouldn't

[crisp bolt]

you only get blue certs out of it which are objectively worse than green and yellow certs

[undone moth]

i would lick butts for surt

[polar crane]

what

[deft badger]

but new banner don't have pity...?

[tidal sedge]

Their pity rules cite different pools

[deft badger]

like one u can transfer from standard

[glass monolith]

i refer to 50 pity, not this stupid 150+ pull guarantee bs

[spark sinew]

typhon banner will also have 150 pity

so

[glass monolith]

Which means you got 3-4 offbanners which is not part of my plan

[dark glade]

or maybe it is

[undone moth]

why is eyja banner 300 if the next one 150

[deft badger]

ahhh ok that explains some stuff then..

[spark sinew]

there's an easy answer but you won't like it

[crisp bolt]

limited op is 300

[spark sinew]

||skip typhon 🏃‍♂️||

[crisp bolt]

solo rate up is 150 but not actually 150

[deft badger]

i was confused when ines came, i was rolling 10 it did show up as gold bag but when i did open it she was in it

is that the thing?

[spark sinew]

no

[deft badger]

i don't get it, saw that happen 2 times actually

gold bag opens up and a 6 star is in it

well is that a animation bug?

[dark glade]

that just normal thing from year 1

[spark sinew]

it's just how it is

[glass monolith]

300 pulls to gain for free limited operator of choice in current pool on limited banner
150 pulls WITHOUT 6* for your next 6* which could happen on 210th pull, to be on banner 6* for standard banner

[spark sinew]

call it an Easter egg if you want

[tidal sedge]

No. You can see a small rainbow and phone vibrates. It's intentional

[limpid siren]

they do it to play with your emotions

[spark sinew]

it's still a different anim closer to the end afaik

[deft badger]

little do they know i don't care if i get one or not 😄

[polar crane]

it also something that make you addicted to gamba

[deft badger]

i would like to have less, since my six star colection exploded i have a hard time to decide who to bring with me it was easy when i did have just the amount to fill a squad

[crisp bolt]

Lee op

[spark sinew]

it's fine, you don't raise your 6* anyway

so you don't have many choicez

[deft badger]

i don't use like 80% of them

last op i was hyped about exalter, i used him one time

he sitting on the bench since then

still going with the same stuff i have been since months

[spark sinew]

let me guess, s3m1 no module

[deft badger]

-.-

[dark glade]

kekwait

[tidal sedge]

Fish addiction

[spark sinew]

impossible

[deft badger]

probably to stupid to use him..

[foggy grove]

he is not fish so there is that

[limpid siren]

from what i understand it's more a matter of patience

[deft badger]

its more like to lazy to practice or even see what's going to spawn on the map so just go with the stuff that's going to clear it brain afk

without having to time skills

[limpid siren]

sounds like patience to me

[deft badger]

i call it saving time and sanity

my fishies have a good clear rate so that's all

[foggy grove]

shocking right

stat stick with dmg reduction and regen 🤯

[deft badger]

pfff is that a ray hit

[crisp bolt]

on the topic of that, how is the boss?

I haven't seen anything of it

[dark glade]

he is fine

[crisp bolt]

so ed3 is still the stupid one?

[dark glade]

yes even tho i dont have the actual proof of it

[tall cairn]

[crisp bolt]

it's hard to get more annoying than ed3 though

[spark sinew]

was khagan the armored one

[glass monolith]

IS2 ending 2

[dark glade]

but i saw sciel overkilling ed4 by a mile alot

[crisp bolt]

I'd rather do is2 ed2 any day

[polar crane]

ed3 bullshit ye

[tall cairn]

ED4 doesn’t look too cancerous.

[crisp bolt]

ed3 is just dumb

[polar crane]

ed2 my beloved useless boss

[glass monolith]

Have you seen IS4 floor 7?

[spark sinew]

i think e: heard for ed4 you just take care to not let bosses to be near your ops during skills

[crisp bolt]

limited damage windows, those clouds, the wave of enemies

[spark sinew]

so careful with slows etc

[dark glade]

||you can block the attack to redirect too||

[tall cairn]

Nope. Why? Can’t be as bad as emer Wafu right.

That stage is just design failure.

[polar crane]

floor 7 is fine, most of us use the +50 aspd on the whole floor anyway

[crisp bolt]

Foldartals op

[dark glade]

collapse and the floor sticker is something that i still dont know shit about

[polar crane]

play cn

[dark glade]

no

i will have faith in EN schedule

[polar crane]

you want me to explain?

[dark glade]

just explain collapse and floor sticker things it fine

since its general anyways

[crisp bolt]

I would do CN if I didn't have to do the process of making an account

[polar crane]

collapse is floor cancer but it effect the whole run

[dark glade]

and since no dice you get collapsed by?

leaking?

wait floor cancer

[polar crane]

you get collapse point by leaking or go to next floor on some difficult modifiers

[dark glade]

isit more like call of we many?

[polar crane]

ya

[dark glade]

or does it affect the rest of the run, not just the floor

[crisp bolt]

it's like light level

[polar crane]

it effect the whole run onward

[dark glade]

[polar crane]

if you got dark mist from eb you get that on every battle (even boss)

[dark glade]

oh i want to ask that next

so that one is also a collapse debuff

[polar crane]

one of them ya

[dark glade]

ok now explain floor sticker

[polar crane]

rune?

[dark glade]

and how it combine and stick to your node

[polar crane]

so there are 2 type of rune

the top one is to select target

[crisp bolt]

wait I got a question, does the HP collapse debuff work on bosses?

[polar crane]

the bottom one select the effects on that target

[polar crane]

nope

[crisp bolt]

damn that would've been funny

[polar crane]

there are 3 colors for the rune

combine same color for more effect

the top rune(select target) rune is usually only 1 node or a chain of node

rare one is the whole floor

ask me question idk what to say next

[crisp bolt]

turn all nodes into shop nodes

[dark glade]

the whole shop node is cheating if you have 999 in the bank everyday

can you stack multiple sticker on one boss node?

[polar crane]

yes

you can stack +50 aspd 50% more hp

[dark glade]

wtf op

one more thing

its about the dream gate thing

is that just like wiw

but i see it multiple time on same run

and what does it give

[glass monolith]

Lose 60 bank to gain 6 ignots or IS4 make withdraw 1:1?

[dark glade]

its is2 investment iirc

1:1

1:2 etc

[crisp bolt]

is3 investment

why did they make you require to have keys to withdraw

[polar crane]

it different from wonderland

it just an extra floor with some modify

one of them is just 2 shop node

[spark sinew]

isn't it like in is2

taking ingots out is very expensive

yep, i see the above

[alpine pewter]

exactly it sucks

[dark glade]

yep im slow at uploading

[mossy ore]

wow so pro

pls do my is4 on CN

[karmic glade]

you also get discount in shop if you use the right color

[glass monolith]

Where was that feature when we needed to spend 3 keys in that one challenge run

[polar crane]

another one is -20%atk but if you hit enemy 2 tiles away it deal 150% damage

[spark sinew]

i like is3 investment more

[dark glade]

but you know why i specifically said you have 999 every run right

[spark sinew]

is2 i barely took it out

[polar crane]

I hate grinding

[mossy ore]

[spark sinew]

i mean the problem with that grinding is it still requires immense time

[crisp bolt]

I still haven't grinded out my shop in is3

[polar crane]

+50 aspd on boss = ez win

[karmic glade]

The most broken rune in IS4 is the one that turns node into WoW equivalent

You basically get a tons of free node

[dark glade]

i can play mmo in IS4? aintnoway

[polar crane]

wait what happened if you choose the other options?

when enter bosky way

I always have compass to go in

so I never choose the other option

[glass monolith]

Ah yes, greed loop with potential to die, best thing in all roguelikes

[dark glade]

wait actually

can you turn comabt into miscelanious node

can you just fiddle your way out of E.OOC

[polar crane]

ye

[karmic glade]

yes, you can also turn the entire floor into emergency

[glass monolith]

fiddles his way into that one map with 15 civilians

[mossy ore]

greed is always good

[crisp bolt]

honestly I would legitimately do that on f2-4

if I knew I could do them

[mossy ore]

why not do it on f5

[crisp bolt]

if it's anything like is3 f5 emergencies...

[mossy ore]

i heard from kermot is4 d15 is easier than is3

[crisp bolt]

maybe I will try it

I'd just have to experience them for myself

[spark sinew]

@deft badger done with horn?

[ashen pewter]

are there any male ops that can hold the Kalstit lane on H12-4? Ive found Exalter but i think that was high pot. Idunno if he works with lower.

[spark sinew]

solo hold?

exalter does it but he can't tank the boss

[ashen pewter]

maybe with 1 helper too since kaltsit uses 2 slot

[spark sinew]

are you doing male only

[ashen pewter]

im goi g try if its possible lol

[spark sinew]

oh yeah i remember someone talking about how another guy complained about exalter rng lol

so it's probably gonna to need luck either way

for some reason male only go from 6 and 7 op (with hoe)

to 13

[ashen pewter]

are there any vid of a sample clear with that?

[spark sinew]

oh 13 op is just old ops

no exalter whatever

[ashen pewter]

its good even with no exalter

[spark sinew]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iL411e74E

[ashen pewter]

i was actually thinking S2 exalter might be good at tanking

[spark sinew]

probably search billi

other two clears are with hoed

[foggy grove]

problem with exe on boss is when boss go invul exe has nothing to hit

[spark sinew]

yeah he dies horribly

thankfully i stopped trying it before i was tempted to s2m3 sa

or god forbid, hung

[ashen pewter]

i just hope they release 6* Male Defender lol. Art Defender will be better

[ashen pewter]

so this is actually soem good shit right there

seeing ansel

and spot

[cerulean ferry]

what would be a good team with these characters?

[wicked viper]

first, ya check the depot, it should have 2 selectors
a 4 units selector -> pick silence
a big selector -> screenshot it here

[ashen pewter]

mountain can carry on most stages that fluffy boi is really good with mobs.

which early stages are full of

[wicked viper]

look like the small selector

ya will pick lappland from that one

[polar crane]

lappland

wait this isn't #help

[mossy ore]

ye #strategy is just #help with less shit takes and no slow mode

also no stinky idiots

(most of the time)

[wicked viper]

your general squad should be like
mountain + fang (fang will be free from story, just push story but ya can use vanila or plume for now)
archetto + kroos
steward + lava (lava will also be free later
beagle will be free later, but try to replace her with cuora or bubble once ya get them
and spot from recruitment with healing + defender/melee
use silence (from selector) + perfumer
lappland + matoimaru should help early game a lot

[mossy ore]

on the off chance you get pinecone somewhere
replace lava with her

[wicked viper]

for now your main goal is leveling kroos as hard as ya can, then farm chips for mountain and archetto e1

[mossy ore]

so dont overinvest in lava

[spark sinew]

oh new players can't get a third selector now?

[wicked viper]

yes but no

[spark sinew]

will it ever replace the second one?

[wicked viper]

ya get the bigger selector if the account is created before the anniversary

[mossy ore]

only accounts created before SL arriveds gets the selector with la plooma i think

[wicked viper]

so any reroll or new account will only get the old 5* selector

[cerulean ferry]

thx

[obtuse sphinx]

Get Lappland.
Ya don't nee Silence, Perfumer + Ansel will handle early game healing, but lappers' passive is a hige help

[mossy ore]

why would i use ansel over silence

[spark sinew]

they have 2 selectors

silence competes with lisk pmuch

but ye we can argue who is better

[mossy ore]

just use tutel girl over lisk

[spark sinew]

can turtle girl help my chen to solo dps some CoB maps
sure

although for new players even getting cuora is iffy

[obtuse sphinx]

Spam defender or defense tag in recruitment with 7:40 timer

[mossy ore]

(spot, beagle intensifies)

[spark sinew]

sounds giga cope yes

even if you get a random tagless 4* you have a chance of bull man instead

not like it matters though, they already picked silence

[obtuse sphinx]

Silence is great
And it's not like Spot is a bad tank

[mossy ore]

wonders if anyone broke 200k net profit

[ashen pewter]

does the banner of SA and Exu still available on new players or it get replaced by thorns?

[mossy ore]

if its an older accout then SA and exu
if its an account created, say, rn, then thorns

idr when did newbie banner get changed

[ashen pewter]

ohh i heard it is harder to get old operators now because of the change.

[dark glade]

its on CW

but old operator is well.. old anyway

[mossy ore]

thanks zee pro

[spark sinew]

it's fairly easy to get the exact one you needed

[mossy ore]

16.66%

[spark sinew]

since the kernel selection banner is every 3 months ish

[dark glade]

tell me why i get siege 2 times and not bagpipe

[spark sinew]

recruit has everyone but eyja ange

[ashen pewter]

i guess guides need to update their videos lol. since you can rarely get to see SA and Exu supports now lol

[dark glade]

well guide now use mlynar ling

[mossy ore]

well we have mlynar which deals double SA's damage with half his cycle

[spark sinew]

tell me how i lost 6 coinflips on surtr

[mossy ore]

and Exu, well, just use archetto

[ashen pewter]

i mean the old videos of old stages clears

[dark glade]

i lose 3 on horn

[mossy ore]

.

just replace SA with mlynar and it will work

99% of the time

unless you need him for that stupid invis reveal talent

[dark glade]

or block as opening

[ashen pewter]

yeah, but newbies will definitely just hate mlynar for not having block count

[dark glade]

no not really

he is so cheap to the point that you dont care

[spark sinew]

idt old guides used SA anyway

[ashen pewter]

well early stages have that mobs on the first second the stage opens

[spark sinew]

unless you mean for relatively advanced stages

that need e2

then you just use ling

[dark glade]

yea

[spark sinew]

you won't need a guide i hope

[scarlet mortar]

the advanced tactic called placing a blocker behind mlynar:

[dark glade]

new ops vs ch 1-4 is just overstated anyway

[scarlet mortar]

the other advanced tactic called placing a vg:

[dark glade]

like mountain is just something else

vg who, 11 cost mountain

[mossy ore]

i think an e1 la pluma curbstomp at least the first 3 chapters against everything except heavy defenders and SS

[obtuse sphinx]

• Places Ling
• Doggo runs right past her
• No DP to deploy dragons
• Halp

[scarlet mortar]

basically the differences are so easily made up for that it's kinda not a point you can mull over

[mossy ore]

the advanced tactic of using vanguard to block:

[ashen pewter]

i feel like newbies will pick thorns and mountain more instead of mlynar. i mean thorns can activate his skills on early stages because of the mobs. and they doen need complex understanding and timing

but i love mlynar. donte hate me.

[dark glade]

no thorn can sit down and do nothing because he is E1

like he is so bad

[mossy ore]

thorns is jackshit before e2

[ashen pewter]

i just think newbies have different perspective

[mossy ore]

and newbies aren't likely to get their hands on mats for his e2

[scarlet mortar]

if you've gotten an E2 op (which enables thorns and mlynar to begin with) i assume you should be able to deal with opening at least

[obtuse sphinx]

On the other hand, lots of charaters can lanehold. Few have "delete everything in range" button

[ashen pewter]

i mean when borrowing support

[scarlet mortar]

so mlynar is fine

[mossy ore]

borrowing support

man

[spark sinew]

i mean you were discussing SA sup

this implies e2

[mossy ore]

[mossy ore]

what does SA do at e1

[spark sinew]

so thorns will be e2

[scarlet mortar]

otoh if you don't have an E2 in hand SA/thorns/mlynar are all dog

[spark sinew]

exactly

i mean no guide used sa sup anyway

[mossy ore]

i think mlynar at e1 is still ok for newer players

[spark sinew]

until it was assumed you have e2

[mossy ore]

[spark sinew]

please don't cope mly

[mossy ore]

i will

[spark sinew]

get usual mountain kal

or even ling s1

[mossy ore]

but like if you need e1 support, mountain/kal/chalter is the strongest i can remember

[ashen pewter]

yeah

[mossy ore]

and i think reedic too?

[ashen pewter]

how about mumu? is hse good for newbies?

[scarlet mortar]

reed2 is just funny

[scarlet mortar]

not by a long shot

[obtuse sphinx]

Eyja s2 is pog too
Normal Eyja that is

[mossy ore]

mumu is just whatever honestly

[ashen pewter]

i guess no since she needs other units to be good

[mossy ore]

and eyja s2 is probably only good if that's your only option

[dark glade]

im playing as a 'newbie' right now

[scarlet mortar]

she scales with the rest of your roster, at best she'd just be duping your most levelled op

[dark glade]

and the experience is just waaaaaaaaaay different

[mossy ore]

i too am playing as a newbie on CN

"newbie"

[ashen pewter]

man i might want to tryyy

[dark glade]

day 1 release i stuck at 2-10 for 4 days

[ashen pewter]

lol

early stages must be easy

[dark glade]

now i have e2 in 4 days

[mossy ore]

mf i have pozy surtr ntrk reedic ines, content's a fucking joke

[ashen pewter]

e2 myrtle?

[dark glade]

GG

[tidal sedge]

MuMu copies defenders fairly fine

[dark glade]

i can do chalter too

its almost the same mats

[mossy ore]

wow can ya send me chalter to my cn acc

🥺

i desperately need her

[dark glade]

dude just roll better

[mossy ore]

next summer banner is in 7 months

[obtuse sphinx]

• Raise Mumu
• Borrow Mudrock

[ashen pewter]

ohhh

[mossy ore]

(mumu e1 copies like 70% stats, and e1 mudrock has kinda whatever stats)

[obtuse sphinx]

• Borrow Dorothy

[mossy ore]

yeah that could work better

(i think)

[ashen pewter]

i still remember hating angelina when i get her on my very first account. i decided to make new account

[mossy ore]

i got exu off that newbie banner

kekw

[obtuse sphinx]

Ange was a lifesaver during CC5

[mossy ore]

and cc1 but thats old people content

[ashen pewter]

I started on CC3 sadly

[mossy ore]

i experienced cc beta

it was fun

(i got to risk 10 cuz no feater)

[obtuse sphinx]

I have Ange M6 and moduleless T_T

[mossy ore]

i s2m3'd ange solely for that r27 cc#4 strat i copied

[ashen pewter]

now i still dont have angelina on my new account lol. she must have hated me.

its been years

she couldve moved on

[polar crane]

kernal jail

[obtuse sphinx]

Same, same.
And S2M3 Shwartz too for cc5.
But I legit grew to like Ange's E2 and kept using it for a long time, until I finally pulled Suzu.

[ashen pewter]

oh no thats worst. i might not get her in this lifetime

maybe i can try using that old account and use it as an alt.

[mossy ore]

just wait for kernel locating

and get her for 180 certs

(i wouldnt recommend that unless you absolutely love her as a waifu)

[ashen pewter]

nah shes not worth that cert

[obtuse sphinx]

Do you know when next kernel locating will happen?
At least a rough idea

[mossy ore]

then pull kernel (which again, hard to justify)

low masta dalao said next kernel locating is TFN3

[drowsy jewel]

simply get her within the 3 free kernel pulls

[obtuse sphinx]

Is it before Pyrolysis or after? I need Ceobe T_T

[ashen pewter]

is it possible for arknights to give Free 6* Operator Selector?

but with day 1 ops only

[tidal sedge]

Possible? Sure. Likely? Doubtful

[mossy ore]

TFN3 is WAAAAY before Pyrolysis

[drowsy jewel]

Probably not, that's a good amount of money gone

[polar crane]

if 30$ is free for you then it free selector

[tidal sedge]

Maybe as an anniversary treat in the future, but I wouldn't bank on it any time soon

[ashen pewter]

i mean who would waste 30$ on old units?

[tidal sedge]

Desperate collectors

[polar crane]

go outside mcdonald sit on the wallway with cap on the ground
ez money

[obtuse sphinx]

They give free 6*s aka Gladiia/Lumen/Silence

[mossy ore]

or just rob a ba-

🏃‍♂️

[obtuse sphinx]

So selector is doubtful

[ashen pewter]

ohh vigil is just a 3*

[obtuse sphinx]

I knew I forgot someone. Oh well.

[ashen pewter]

i understand

hes forgettable

[spark sinew]

vigil is different

[ashen pewter]

but i love his design

[spark sinew]

his even was...not important? ish so he uses a different system

hence no gold certs on rerun etc

[mossy ore]

HG probably doesnt like giving us 70 gold certs twice a year

oh shit i realized 5th anni is in 3 months or so from now

[obtuse sphinx]

Il Siracusano was a pretty important event
So many cinematics they rolled out for it it was probably their most expensive one

[ashen pewter]

Oh when will they release the new sui sibling on cn?

[dark glade]

ew sanguinarch with e1 ling

[mossy ore]

no idea

[dark glade]

is this even possible

[mossy ore]

stream today soon-ish

(25 mins)

so we'll know event release date

[ashen pewter]

ohhhh. will watch it later

[mossy ore]

i'll be watching my favorite strimmer 25thnight

[ashen pewter]

oh watched this streamer who ranks the drips of operator. pretty satisfying for a change of pace talking about operators styles lol

[tidal sedge]

Theres already fan art of new Sui.

Good thing the leak wasn't earlier ig for those who'd like to be surprised

[spark sinew]

for is3 you prob can texalter

at least everyone seem to do that

it wasn't even a leak was it

[dark glade]

i just need 1 more lvl to get exp

[spark sinew]

eh, can't find the fanart

[polar crane]

he still alive?

[dark glade]

always has been

[spark sinew]

alright, keep your secrets

[tidal sedge]

It wasn't tagged, and I didn't save it

It just popped up on my TL. It'd be a pain to find

[mossy ore]

he has always bene

i always watch his is4 stream

[polar crane]

im watching him rn

[dark glade]

im watching kukki

[mossy ore]

same

night's a based man 👍

[peak cloak]

new sui sibling is a female :0

pog

[karmic glade]

isn't this second brother?

oh guardian, medic defender

[glass monolith]

Saria 2.0

[peak cloak]

yea xd

Saria 2.0 real

new L*ng l2d

[glass monolith]

It is Lin

[peak cloak]

Lin? xD

[glass monolith]

Do you even Rat bro?

[peak cloak]

cracked Lin

[vernal lion]

re-named archetype: musha = soloblade

[spark sinew]

oh it's new arche

not musha?

[glass monolith]

It is Musha with extra steps

[ashen pewter]

So its a musha but lane hold

[glass monolith]

I don't understood shit but looks like nuke button we didn't deserve but we all needed

[ashen pewter]

are they both limited?

the sp recovery is so fast

imagine ptilopsis

[glass monolith]

Male isn't limited

CN-lounge translated his kit, it is SP recovery up on low hp, i think it won't stack with ptilo like other self SP stuff

[rustic imp]

I'm here to remind you guys, that until further notice, discussion of the new ops outside of #cn-lounge is prohibited

[spark sinew]

do you want to borrow her

i changed my mind

[deft badger]

nah i have to sleep a bit, can't keep my eyes open atm 39c fever i am done atm..
will ask later when i feel better

[spark sinew]

well i would need like 20h minimum for m3 anyway

[deft badger]

@rustic imp upcoming ops?
or new like exalter don't talk about...

[spark sinew]

...

good ninja edit

[mossy ore]

get ready for round 2

dolly

:YA:

oh

wrong channel

[glass monolith]

[vernal lion]

I didn't expect that

[deft badger]

i wanna know which ops, but i guess upcoming

[rustic imp]

it was just some generic thing, since #help started to discuss the ops showcased in the CN stream

[deft badger]

ahh ok got it, nvm then ty

[peak cloak]

so we have slug race, very interesting

[deft badger]

btw i don't think i should start with her anyway

but she was a nice start on my main

[mossy ore]

capturing pompeii

[spark sinew]

she's pretty crappy

[vernal lion]

yea because slug is involved to many different abilities, now they have their own race

[peak cloak]

but hey, do they drift?

[vernal lion]

dog is usually normal mob with fast speed

[spice mortar]

Slug girl incoming?

[vernal lion]

crab is tanky a bit

except the metal crab

that shit has like 70 res or smth

yea

level 1 got nerf a bit

[sly drift]

That's quite interesting

[vernal lion]

imagine HG code this one can be appeared randomly in the battlefield and exclude from enemy counter,
now that is a good game

[spark sinew]

bassline stonks went down

for me at least

[lofty sundial]

What is the requirement to reach izumik stage (IS Jellyfish)? i once reached that but losing

[spark sinew]

get encounter that drops your light to 0

then survive

i think the second encounter is basically guaranteed unless you only have like 1 encounter on f5 and skip it

[tall cairn]

1. Obtain the Deep Blue Memories Deep Blue Memories from "The Beginning" Encounter.
   NOTE: The Deep Blue Memories cause the player to lose 100 Light and a random Operator to suffer from Rejection, making things much more difficult.
   Optional: In the "Caerula Ritual" Encounter (only appears while having the Deep Blue Memories), the player can choose to either gain 30 Light or obtain the Creeping Branch Creeping Branch which causes the player to gain 15 Light whenever an operation is cleared without losing Life Points but increases enemies' ASPD by 15.
2. Obtain Determination collectible "Determination", Wait and See "Wait and See", or Hesitation "Hesitation" from the "Ascension" Encounter. Having any of the aforementioned Collectibles will cause the player to enter the 6th floor instead of ending the run upon clearing the 5th floor with The Splendor of Humanity as the Dreadful Foe.
   The options to take "Determination" and "Wait and See" will only appear when the player has at least 90 and between 50 to 89 Light upon entering the Encounter, respectively, otherwise the player will be forced to obtain "Hesitation". As such, it is highly recommended to prioritize regaining Light before entering the "Ascension" Encounter.
3. Clear The Splendor of Humanity(Izumik)

I’ll just copy paste the thing.

[spark sinew]

also wrong channel but it's derailed so hard it's fine ig

[tall cairn]

Prob should’ve shortened it.

[lofty sundial]

is there dedicated IS channel?

thanks!

[tall cairn]

#is-station

[sly drift]

This aged well

[foggy grove]

watch you don't get beaned
why it has to be a shitty class

[sly drift]

You mean new op?

Both?

Well.. he does nuke with very fast cooldown tho.

I think he has some value

[spark sinew]

i sense musha slander

[sly drift]

For real we need decent mod for musha.

But it's hard to imagine musha being good

[tidal sedge]

Why

[foggy grove]

can't you blame me all the musha so far doesn't have a really outstanding showing

[tidal sedge]

I remember people saying the exact same things about Degen lol

[sly drift]

True tho. He probably drop to "Niche but not very good" tier

[tidal sedge]

She's swordmaster she's gonna suck

[foggy grove]

i mean i'll be glad if i'm proven wrong

[sly drift]

Yea lol.

Make it better. Why not

[sly drift]

If that refer to me? If so. No, I never said that lmao. I said Irene probably can compete with degen. Which turn out not at all

[foggy grove]

and degen is kinda cheating,no one expecting that tbh

[spark sinew]

yeah i remember that

[tidal sedge]

I was lol

[spark sinew]

we already knew the numbers but no, irene can compete!

if anything mushas are better archetype than swordmasters

[tall cairn]

[tidal sedge]

People hate offensive recovery without major cheats, so new 6* swordmaster could very much get auto instead

[spark sinew]

wait, is this an unpopular opinion

[foggy grove]

which one?

[tidal sedge]

Gachas are very incentivized to cater to player base's tastes

[foggy grove]

people do really hate offensive

[foggy grove]

unless it's very short

like 2-3 sp

[tidal sedge]

Not to mention the old swordmaster "rhythm" was perfected in Exe Alter prior

[tall cairn]

Rmb, I’m also the guy who hates reapers.

[quick pecan]

degen got to get rid of a near defining aspect of the archetype that was disliked

safe to say ppl will like her more

[tidal sedge]

Well, not perfected, but made it very good

[spark sinew]

i feel like mushas have better survivability due to block

well, only that

not talking about usability compared to reapers

getting pummeled by 2 enemies is very different vs one

[sly drift]

What make archetype bad is not because archetype bad. But it's because no one on that archetype broken enough to raise the standard of that archetype lol

It just like that

[quick pecan]

can’t really say that with the way ppl complain abt offensive recovery

[tall cairn]

Seems reliant on being able to 1v1 bosses effectively.

Otherwise just feels like no point running.

[quick pecan]

and when that "broken" unit gets released

it’s bc they either discard some of the limitations of the class or get other aspects that make up for those limitations

[sly drift]

We have chen. I think they will help sp offensive recovery more

[spark sinew]

i see them as elite holders

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

i almost got tempted into talking about shu

[quick pecan]

idt offensive recovery is that bad unless it’s an insanely high cost like swire / flame tho

[spark sinew]

but like, surely you don't count her talent lol

[tall cairn]

[tidal sedge]

Contemporary 6* design especially so. Zuo Le kit is attempting to cheat Musha problems by getting barrier, his s2 addresses complaints of 1 block. Time will tell if his numbers are competitive but he fits the mold on paper

[sly drift]

Flame?

[spark sinew]

i wonder if translation is wonky

[quick pecan]

yeah i’m glad you see this

i’m still somewhat hesitant bc we don’t have his numbers but he’s cheating through the barrier + increased cycling from talents to make his downtime look pretty low to non existent

[spark sinew]

so far all mushas except noir just gain atkspd on low hp

so next musha can gain not just atkspd for example

frankly noir feels shit to use because of that

especially since his kit also wants him to autoattack a lot, but he's slow

[tidal sedge]

I think they simply liked the aspd payoff over others and never felt the need to stray from it other than the experimental Noir

[quick pecan]

they also didn’t showcase him with module so i assume in practice he will be even better than the livestream

[sly drift]

Block two but reduced to one at low hp and then zero at very low hp (Give hp regen). Maybe add def too

Maybe thats great idea for musha

[spark sinew]

block 2 seems like a nerf

[tidal sedge]

I do like the theory that Reapers might have been a spin on Musha before becoming their own branch

[spark sinew]

although if you mean it's just used to dump hp

seems convoluted but maybe

[sly drift]

Yea. But also block some weak mobs too. Rather than keep leaking dogs because they run at the same time

But fkk.. musha is such a waste on this current condition

[spark sinew]

i feel like they're fine
you can say they're redundant and...sure they are like most ops

why bother blocking/dodging attacks when you can kill with uncle

[tall cairn]

Feels like Musha is just equivalent to whether you can stat check the enemy.

[spark sinew]

hopefully the horny mood will go away by the time en gets it

one benefit of foresight

[tall cairn]

If you can, you probably don’t need the Musha to begin with.

[tall cairn]

Cn lounge be raving.

[spark sinew]

cn lounge be weird