strategy

[scarlet ledge]

exe2 non nodule is jusf average laneholder

[spark sinew]

i'm saying module is batshit insane

[cyan gorge]

In think the best example of mod vs no mod are summoners

modless Ling feels ass

[turbid badge]

unmods ur mostima

[scarlet ledge]

unmods u

😳

[wicked viper]

no module is exactly why they are powercrept no?

[turbid badge]

im callig mods

[scarlet ledge]

omg is that chishahchishahau

[sly drift]

Mostima without mod

[jovial nest]

just say Exalter. Cause Exe2 makes me think that there's an Exusiai alter

[wicked viper]

chen is deadge without module for example

well

[spark sinew]

if you tried to do some exu strats you would fail miserably

[scarlet ledge]

[wicked viper]

she is still deadge with module

[spark sinew]

i remember being potgated from minimalist actually

[jovial nest]

Marksmen are mostly dead to me

[spark sinew]

and my exu is p4

[jovial nest]

Krooster is the exception due to IS3

[turbid badge]

lol

shoulda brung schwarz

[wicked viper]

i used suzu pozy for minimalize

[scarlet ledge]

@cirn

[spark sinew]

yes, pozy killed it no problem

[wicked viper]

it's nicer than exu warfarin

[jovial nest]

oh, Marksmen do make amazing Sniper buffs for SSS

[scarlet ledge]

ngl

i rarely use pozy now

[jovial nest]

There's too many sniper powerhouses that really makes Marksmen not as necessary

[spark sinew]

because modules are very strong for them

[jovial nest]

same

[spark sinew]

still defective 😦

[scarlet ledge]

wtf not p6

[jovial nest]

Yeah i prefer not to hit mindamage in D15 IS....

[scarlet ledge]

balls

[wicked viper]

module gain is undeniable tho?

[cyan gorge]

Marksmen mods are good little buffs but I wouldn't call them exceptional

[wicked viper]

like blaze module is like 50-80% dps buff

[turbid badge]

i would kill for ur attack pot mines pot 3

[wicked viper]

even if she is still whatever

it's still very significant for her

[scarlet ledge]

idk what my main acc exu pots

[spark sinew]

atk pot is insane ye

[scarlet ledge]

but i know my alt exu is p6

[turbid badge]

op

[scarlet ledge]

just from recruit

[turbid badge]

All the attack

[jovial nest]

annoyingly

[scarlet ledge]

[jovial nest]

I will no longer potentially get Saria spooks since she's in Kernel now

sigh

[scarlet ledge]

jusan

[turbid badge]

just get in recruit

[scarlet ledge]

i will never get spooked again by rosa on my alt

for dupe

😭

[jovial nest]

its both a pro and con

at least the pros overweigh it

you don't want old ops flooding newer banners

[scarlet ledge]

how mnay 6★ rn?

i lost count

[spark sinew]

too bad game has no other modules to play

[jovial nest]

Kernel

[spark sinew]

we're all forced to run is3

[jovial nest]

nah. I chose to suffer in IS3

cause i like me some cheevos

no one's forcing you to

but IS shows the cons ops don't usually experience

it made me realize the massive weakness of summons

and how much ops can't help them that much

and also mindamages heh

[cinder pike]

also dp eccnomy with non refundable summons

[cyan gorge]

IS made me realize the true potential of 4*s like Deepcolor and May

[turbid badge]

is it that bad

[jovial nest]

in truth, IS made me see what ops really shine

[turbid badge]

deepcolor summon is crap chrap

[scarlet ledge]

i use deepcl alot

[turbid badge]

yeah she op

[jovial nest]

I'm talking about Ling

[scarlet ledge]

since im used to her redeployment

[jovial nest]

Ling feels like total shit in IS3 D15

[turbid badge]

oh people still draft ling in high diff

[scarlet ledge]

opener

[jovial nest]

no it has to be experienced

[turbid badge]

yea for symbiosis with melantha

[tall cairn]

Ling?

[jovial nest]

for you to learn it

[turbid badge]

or soemthing

[scarlet ledge]

and this

[jovial nest]

if youre doing anything that's not Ed1

don't Ling

[turbid badge]

ling it or wing it

[jovial nest]

Ember Phalanx really shat on Ling

[spark sinew]

ling opener dies to symb

well not dies but leaks

[tall cairn]

Normal symb?

[jovial nest]

if we consider this Ling as lucky to E2 at start

too much DP

[cinder pike]

I hate how there is hovering enemies on first floor

[turbid badge]

lol mutual aid got him

[jovial nest]

there's a reason Krooster started surfacing as the solid pick on Ed4 update

[spark sinew]

man dice squad sucks

[jovial nest]

previously

[sly drift]

I can't believe they make that stage on first floor

[jovial nest]

it was just Tex2

before Tex2

it was Mayer/Fia

really weird shit for Drifter solutions

[turbid badge]

fia?

[sly drift]

It just like.. no sniper or gtfo

[jovial nest]

long ranged DPS back then was at its infancy on who works the best

[turbid badge]

just use erato

[jovial nest]

before everyone figured out "Just Horn Ed1"

[turbid badge]

[jovial nest]

pre Tex2 IS3 will never be experienced by global

but CN did

and it was a weird meta

Mayer was hugely contested

due to her S2 being the Drifter solution

[sly drift]

I remember they like to draft thorns because of those flying fish thingy

[turbid badge]

i do random squad so all my choices are random

[cinder pike]

thorns feels ass on is3 it feels like

[dark glade]

thats d0 option

[sly drift]

For now yea

[dark glade]

aint no way thorns is a good pick

[tall cairn]

Not just on is3. Even is2 he’s kinda copium.

[cinder pike]

no, is2 he is pretty nice pick

[turbid badge]

whos using thorns

[sly drift]

I even remember they made tier list for is3 and they literally put thorns in top. (Pre texalt)
I can't believe too lol

[turbid badge]

in is3 smh

[cinder pike]

my base IS2 strat used thorns

[spark sinew]

thorns was ass pre texalt for sure, no way he wasn't

[latent monolith]

Who's "they"

[spark sinew]

he can't even tickle mantas

[sly drift]

CN s

[dark glade]

well thorns still top 3 picked guard in is3 stats

[tall cairn]

There’s so starting units better than Thorns tho.

[latent monolith]

CN is not one person

[dark glade]

[latent monolith]

Or one small group of people

[tall cairn]

D0 issues.

[spark sinew]

well on d0 he works but i assume the tierlist won't be for d0

[latent monolith]

It could be

[sly drift]

Right. For some reason he appears on the graph

Maybe we just underestimate him

[tall cairn]

Nah.

[dark glade]

nah the d0 ppl just overestimate and spam him

[foggy grove]

you are just underestimating casual

[jovial nest]

And slowly I've grown out of using Thorns in normal content in general

I start to hate off recs in general

[foggy grove]

they didn't bother with high d so anything that works works

[turbid badge]

everything works at d0 cmon lol

[jovial nest]

Even Hool?!

[turbid badge]

ofc?

[tall cairn]

Yes.

[jovial nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/648597785444220941/1180448927162572820/img_v2_29059575-0a1a-4874-add4-61ad53f6e1dg.gif?ex=657d75bb&is=656b00bb&hm=bcd75b38a1cf190c997ff30a63d42358ab1e718b5c78aa53d58bacafeb827372&

[tall cairn]

Yo what’re those.

[jovial nest]

Just....a sample

[turbid badge]

wth

Lol

[jovial nest]

of the menaces in IS4

[scarlet mortar]

it's more that many more people have him nowadays than they have new ops, he's more well known and it's pretty easy to nab him for support

[jovial nest]

we're out of seaborn territory

but that doesn't mean its gonna be that easy

[scarlet mortar]

all that combined with how general content.... isn't that hard? i mean he's suffering from more continuous rushes but it's not like the stat creep's got to him

[sly drift]

Is IS4 generally harder than is3 I wonder. Or is it just meta change

[jovial nest]

based on a D15 regular in CN

[spark sinew]

i feel like stat creep got to him

[jovial nest]

nothing comes close to IS3 D15 Izumik

not even the strongest boss in IS4 comes close to that insanity

[spark sinew]

he kinda folds without healing/support

before he uses s3 twice

[scarlet mortar]

that's rushes

[jovial nest]

are MOST new enemies really stronger now that it has previously been that Thorns is really becoming way weaker of a laner?

[spark sinew]

rushes of 2 enemies?

[fringe jackal]

defeated by dolly on sl8. Time to watch guide

[turbid badge]

st moment

[scarlet mortar]

yeag

[sly drift]

More def enemies I guess.

[jovial nest]

time to read enemy desc

[turbid badge]

wtf alrd

[spark sinew]

by rushes i thought you meant hordes of enemies that he can't kill due to no aoe

[turbid badge]

thats crazy brax smhsmh

[jovial nest]

....haha

[scarlet mortar]

he does nothing offskill so yes 2 enemies kinda shaft him

[turbid badge]

just break shield better

[jovial nest]

Ines can handle 2 enemy start

as long as theyre still the usual trash mobs

Ines' CC is just outragerously good that she can lane like a 2 blocker

[fringe jackal]

I think I need to raise krooster or a sniper

[foggy grove]

point uncle and says what mechanic

[turbid badge]

@fringe jackal

[jovial nest]

if you're not doing D15 IS3, don't bother with Krooster and raise the exceptional snipers you might have

[turbid badge]

lol

[spark sinew]

you still need to play by mechanic because the dr feels insane

[cyan gorge]

Me who didn't use a sniper for boss

[jovial nest]

the DR is insane

[fringe jackal]

Alright I should probably move my units to the top

[tall cairn]

What’s up with the Krooster disrespect.

[scarlet mortar]

this event is just "find fountain when you can and pop soda when you can't" bc gl getting past DR otherwise

[tall cairn]

[karmic glade]

eyja so good in this SSS, with heal + SP

[jovial nest]

I didn't bring the entire dream team crew. But it's impressive how much Tex2 S3 and Ya2 S3 Dolly took even in white steam

[karmic glade]

infinite gg

[jovial nest]

oh thanks for reminding me

I'll use her over NG i think.

lemme try as a gamble

wait no

[turbid badge]

you can just shamare exu

[dark glade]

i still need to e2

[jovial nest]

i'll remove Ptilo

[dark glade]

i didnt even prefarm

[jovial nest]

and add Eyjaberry

[dark glade]

[jovial nest]

NG can remain

[spark sinew]

prefarm bryo

eyja can wait

well, too late now

[dark glade]

not base again

[tall cairn]

[jovial nest]

Pls don't recommend E2ing for base unless they've already done the act a long time ago

[tall cairn]

Who’s got E2 Bryo already.

[dark glade]

point finger at hauck

[jovial nest]

every #r-i-i-c member

[fringe jackal]

Yeh I have shamare mastered but no exu probs time to borrow

[turbid badge]

everyone

[cyan gorge]

I'm working on getting him e2

[spark sinew]

you don't have him e2 nood? wow

[tall cairn]

I do.

[jovial nest]

Delicious.

[foggy grove]

me

[cyan gorge]

too many birds to raise this time

[spark sinew]

good stage to farm

how bad are your units

[tall cairn]

That concludes the bryo check.

[sly drift]

Any comment on poncirus?

[spark sinew]

you just need to hold bot, technically

[foggy grove]

i'm too lazy to optimize shit

[cyan gorge]

tanky laner who happens to make passive dp

[dark glade]

neither do i

idk whats with this stage rng

[jovial nest]

its not stage RNG

[foggy grove]

what rng?

[jovial nest]

you're just making Dolly's attack patterns be weird

[dark glade]

yes exactly what rng

isnt this stage rng less

[jovial nest]

there's no RNG

[dark glade]

but sometime one frisbee sheep just walk the entire map instead of dying infront of red box

[jovial nest]

you're just doing something different that makes Dolly and the sheep bombs work differently

[sly drift]

Is it decent enough to make you waste your resources. Let aside she being *5

[jovial nest]

its mostly steam related then

just keep making sure you have more white on your area

[turbid badge]

im gonna just stick with 4 op

[cyan gorge]

Yes mainly cause birb agenda

[foggy grove]

i just don't want to fuss with the soda too much

[turbid badge]

tanky open is good

[cyan gorge]

but I do legit think the idea of her kit is fun enough to consider investing

[sly drift]

True..
But for some reason ppl still shitting muelsyse to this day

[cyan gorge]

she can reach 3k hp with max pot and level

[cinder pike]

how does she compare to zima

[turbid badge]

cirb look

[spark sinew]

disowned

[sly drift]

More def and less atk than zima i guess, idk

[cyan gorge]

I couldn't tell you as a non Zima owner

[turbid badge]

e1 exalter not cutting it

lol

[sly drift]

I would still prefer zima tho. Her vg buff nice

[spiral breach]

Can anyone tell me how to defeated the boss stage

[nocturne sparrow]

Which Hoshiguma module is the better ?

[spark sinew]

boss has 3 shield stacks
remove it with white steam

kill the boss

do the same for phase 2

[cyan gorge]

sniper + soda bottle spam to break sheilds

[sly drift]

Basically soda him untill fall then burst him. The rest is you sustain ur ops and controlling that cloud

[spiral breach]

I don't have any good caster and sniper operator

[cyan gorge]

you have 0 raised snipers?

[nocturne sparrow]

Fast redeploy with fast atk?

[sly drift]

What's ur ops

[spiral breach]

All lvl 1

[cyan gorge]

how tf

[dark glade]

~~do you have the best snipercaster mlynar? ~~

[tall cairn]

[spiral breach]

I don't have mylnar

[dark glade]

its jooooeeever

[sly drift]

Show ur ops

[spark sinew]

I'm surprised how people can go to sl8 without raising any sniper at all

inb4 this is about tutorial stage with the boss and fixed ops

[spiral breach]

Wait

[cyan gorge]

my sl8 is almost sniperless, aside from Chetto for opening flying sheep

[dark glade]

my sl8 clear actually just abuse sp on GG

[dark glade]

sheeto is not a sniper?

[cyan gorge]

You have Chetto. wdym no good snipers

[sly drift]

Wdym u have no sniper

[scarlet mortar]

ok those levels hurt

[tall cairn]

What’s the caster situation?

[scarlet mortar]

rosa unraised

[spark sinew]

sure but as a new player you kinda forced to raise marksman

[fringe jackal]

Well I accidentally beat sl8 because I forgot to use a practice plan

[spark sinew]

lol

[tall cairn]

[cyan gorge]

or somehow be like me and do QB + Aak + Suzu

[tall cairn]

[cyan gorge]

Nightmare

[spark sinew]

"i have no snipers and casters"

while he does have snipers and casters

[tall cairn]

Sorted by rarity so you know he’s lying.

[spiral breach]

I have no proper sniper and caster

[sly drift]

Use ur maxed blue poison,chito and amiya

And shamare

I think it's enough to burst dolly down

[spark sinew]

very funny joke
you have 2 capped units

[spiral breach]

My shamare is still lvl1

[sly drift]

Show ur squad maybe

[foggy grove]

sus

[spark sinew]

[tall cairn]

Inb4 it’s filled with 4*s.

[foggy grove]

i have to redo that too

[cyan gorge]

[spark sinew]

[sly drift]

The fact that only too strong squad that will miss that

[cyan gorge]

this man's trolling

[sly drift]

Oh.. right. Maybe you are one who use *3 squad guide. Maybe

[peak cloak]

[foggy grove]

nah he is just baiting

[spiral breach]

I always lvl up my low star operator

[sly drift]

Ain't no way he bait in #strategy that everyone here play since 2020

[sly drift]

This is what i believe. Those ppl exist

They believe they must play exactly like the guide say

[foggy grove]

quick search can prove it

[spark sinew]

guys help, i don't have proper snipers and casters, how do you clear the boss

[peak cloak]

no Schwarz

[sly drift]

Pls guys

[tall cairn]

Remove everything but Kroos.

[sly drift]

Maybe he is innocent

[tall cairn]

D’you see the 4* he just showed.

He’s baiting.

[spiral breach]

I regret not leveling up my 6star operator

[foggy grove]

same

[spark sinew]

it's fine
at least you're not 5* only player

feel free to copy

[ancient hearth]

E2 70 frostleaf

[spiral breach]

Link?

[quick pecan]

average deepcolor w

[quick pecan]

against my better judgment i got broca module

[spark sinew]

why not
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HV41157bK/

[quick pecan]

really gonna be forced to do sss now

[foggy grove]

i'm gonna do that too after event

[spark sinew]

still unsure if i want to do good mod1s like gavialter and stainless

they don't really "need" mods currently, but then if you don't do it now, they will foever be without mods

[cyan gorge]

Stainless mod feels nice to have

[foggy grove]

blank space looks ugly

[turbid badge]

pioneer vanguard module is ugliest

[cyan gorge]

x or y?

[turbid badge]

actually itll match poni

there the same color no?

uhh

its all green

i think sol x is yellow

idr

[cyan gorge]

Ponci has mod x

the orange one

[sly drift]

I think so.. the blank square look so ugly to see. Why don't they just remove the square too when we don't use the mod

[turbid badge]

oh

damn it

green woulda fit her

[cyan gorge]

better effect, wrong color

[quick pecan]

kinda wish poncirus had mod y

like she’s taking 70s to get full on skill

let me get it faster

[turbid badge]

lol

[quick pecan]

[turbid badge]

yea the green color is really ugly

[cyan gorge]

I'd rather have the extra stats

[sly drift]

She wasn't even one day sir

[turbid badge]

all my vgs have that color

[quick pecan]

i will probably only build her for defender ban

in whatever niche as all hell situation that comes up

[turbid badge]

lol

[cyan gorge]

Ponci has the highest def of all the birds

[quick pecan]

oh fuck actually

[turbid badge]

firewhistle dewhistles

[quick pecan]

u know who i have to build

astgenne

[turbid badge]

who

oh

[quick pecan]

that aspd actually really nice on a chain caster

[cyan gorge]

Firewhistle has 618 def at max, 704 with talent

[latent monolith]

I tried using other chain casters after having only astgenne

Never realised they were so slow

[wicked viper]

firewhistle should have more def with mod3

[turbid badge]

use bryophyta

[cyan gorge]

even funnier, maxed Ponci has more hp as well

[quick pecan]

it’s weird bc

chain casters and spreadshooters have same interval

but in my mind spreadshooter faster than chain caster

[turbid badge]

my leizi s2 slow

[spark sinew]

spreadshooters take forever
but chain casters also have long anims i think

[turbid badge]

idk they just feel sow

[spark sinew]

unless pass

[quick pecan]

i stopped coping leizi

[turbid badge]

why

[spark sinew]

leizi> astgenne and i'm not even biased rn

[latent monolith]

Igneus always says leizi better

[spark sinew]

especially with all the +atkspd modes we have

[quick pecan]

don’t feel like min maxing her ideal situation

[latent monolith]

As for me I don't have leizi raised

Not my waifu

[turbid badge]

leizi in sss so op

[quick pecan]

but wow leizi is pretty

[latent monolith]

The duality of man

[cyan gorge]

I use Astgenne, cause birb agenda > everything else

[latent monolith]

Based

Dorothy is pretty fun

[glass monolith]

[foggy grove]

she is

i still have to finish her s2 mastery

[glass monolith]

Her god damn sister is master of stealth, almost missed that 5*

[quick pecan]

imo i think astgenne’s aspd helps her double up on the slowing aspect of a chain caster

although i suppose greyy alt kind of makes that use case for her lower a little for me

[cyan gorge]

the only bird slower I like more than Astgenne or even Magallan s1 is May s1

it's absurd how good May is

[south bone]

One of the best low rarity for sure

[blissful wren]

In IS, how do people get runs with like 20-30 operators and so many artifacts?

[cyan gorge]

get lucky

[spark sinew]

mind over matter and go to shops

shops are op

[sly drift]

Also depends on what starter you pick

[jovial nest]

operators are easy

every combat will give you vouchers

so most of em will just be getting 0-hope-cost operators

relics is just being lucky and buying stuff in shop and getting some encounters that guarantee specific relics

MOM squad also helps there

[mental comet]

any good SL 8 Trust farm that don't use Mlynar and Skalter?

It makes me want to save 300 pulls for Skalter

[glass monolith]

Well what is your solution to boss existing?

[wet surge]

I'm more interested in the fastest way to clear SL-8...

[mental comet]

It is scuffed asf as it is almost near the blue box

[hollow epoch]

Ive anecdotally done my own clear with pozy and im pretty sure it would translate decently closely to the existing trust farms, but it might be a little more tricky because there isnt a high hp ground ally in a convenient spot to bait cloud strips (i.e. mlynar)

[mental comet]

Shoot, I dont have Pozy too

[glass monolith]

That's why i ask what YOU have to kill boss

[hollow epoch]

Do you have a high damage phys unit

[spark sinew]

i have one without skalter but with mly

[mental comet]

I have Chalter tho

[hollow epoch]

Phys

The boss has ungodly res

[quick pecan]

chalter is phys 🗿

[mental comet]

and Kirin Yato?

[glass monolith]

(900 DEF drone is ungodly def too )

[hollow epoch]

My surtr did jack shit, im moderately sure a cleaner clear from me could remove her

[mental comet]

ill just SS my rostrt

[wet surge]

a maxed surtr can only chip away 20-30% at most unfortunately

[hollow epoch]

Defence debuffs are like a dime a dozen nowadays, shamare, elysium, pozy, not to mention the def ignores built into multiple kits

[spark sinew]

how many ops do you want to use to clear

[hollow epoch]

900 is honestly not that bad def if you bring buffers

[cyan gorge]

QB + Aak pretty much deleted boss with help of soda spam

[wet surge]

does irene work?

[mental comet]

at most 5?

[hollow epoch]

Hm

[mental comet]

YT tutorials uses either Pozy, Mylnar, and Sklater so I can't borrow all of it. well I cant do trust farms with borrow

[spark sinew]

you shouldn't borrow if you want to farm it anyway

which i assume you do want (hence trustfarm)

[hollow epoch]

You might be able to do a mega scuffed silverash given you only really need one silverash cycle to phase 1 the boss? Maybe???? Silverash can destroy the bottles offskill so you dont need a fast cycle

Mlynar is only strictly needed for one of the two phases in kyos version of the clear and only one of the two skill uses actually neccessitates the dps rather than just opening bottles

[spark sinew]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1SX4y1j7aD/ you can look how they use ling and add more stuff
they disrupt flying thingies with May but i think you can just kill with exu?
you also have kal so can just scrap it and use kal for holding bot + dealing with phase 2

[mental comet]

if it is not possible, then at least I could have a stable clear as I wanted the manganense ore.

[hollow epoch]

Exu kal and a good caster bottom lane is pretty stable, so you could probably do a 6 op clear if you mess around with 3 ops toplane against boss

[shrewd harness]

Soup

[hollow epoch]

This method might work, you should test and see

[spark sinew]

definitely possible
i actually thought about just using Schwarz but

[dark glade]

surely the schwarz man trust farm use schwarz

[spark sinew]

she probably works but i doubt many have s2m3

which is what i think might work

[tidal sedge]

My Passenger practically solos bot past opening. If theirs is invested, he might do the same if more effort topside is needed

[spark sinew]

if we copy mlynar strat but sub mly with Schwarz

[hollow epoch]

If you do that youll want a tanky ground unit topside to bait the boss clouds

So itll be a 5 unit clear but still pretty good

[mental comet]

I should have done it earlier but i hesitated as Idk when will I use S2 again

[spark sinew]

||you probably shouldn't, at this point in the game||

it's just one of the multitude of options to do the stage, probably not even optimal

[quick pecan]

ngl u dont exactly need crazy high dph phys to kill dolly

[mental comet]

so yay ig?

[quick pecan]

lot of exu clears granted her damage is supplemented a bit

[nocturne sparrow]

Hi, wich module should I unlock for Hoshiguma?

[quick pecan]

there will probably be some 5* clears with krooster

[dark glade]

hes converted to using schwarz without the present of cirno, i kneel 🧎‍♂️

[spark sinew]

cirno made me like Schwarz less, actually

if you're talking about me

[hollow epoch]

They want low op trust farm

[quick pecan]

exu is in low ops

also

[hollow epoch]

Wait rly

[quick pecan]

they’re borrowing?? they ain’t trust farming

[hollow epoch]

What? Weve been suggesting ops they have so far

[quick pecan]

the trust farms that i see either have exu or pozy

there probably mlynar clears though ya bc mlynar be mlynaring

granted this event

[mental comet]

Im starting to hate him now

[hollow epoch]

Can you send me one of them exu vids?

[inner gate]

good or roll?

[quick pecan]

is kind of notorious

[spark sinew]

exu for the boss i assume?

[hollow epoch]

The only trust farms ive seen is mlynar and skalter, and pozy is probably effective but no vids ive seen yet

Exu for boss yeah

[spark sinew]

cause exu on bot i have

[dark glade]

wtf how is this work

[tidal sedge]

That seems really overkill for bot

[hollow epoch]

Yeah i thought exu is super favoured for bot because of the low def enemies to wreck

[spark sinew]

pozy exalter duo the stage

so pozy 100% works

[dark glade]

no, thats the entire trustfarm

ok the title is a lie

[foggy grove]

sounds like a dream pair

[quick pecan]

men 💪

[quick pecan]

@hollow epoch this is the low op i was going to send

https://youtu.be/b3mH9tfvcs0?si=O2q1ErdD04OLkXRM

[latent monolith]

I need to make this my auto rq

[quick pecan]

granted they did it without modules

and some e1

so i mean

higher built ops should lower the op amount

honestly don’t think yato or thrm ex needed

if mod + levels on exu

and levels on thorns

[dark glade]

this also works

thorns can probably be substituted too

both are on the loooong side

[quick pecan]

i’m working on my 5* clear but i did a low op w yato saria reedic pozy

[dark glade]

but if it works it works i guess

[south bone]

I've done one

[quick pecan]

send

i was malding here earlier lol

[south bone]

could probably go lower but whatever

[quick pecan]

ok yeah we had same angle

[hollow epoch]

I do not fucking understand dollys cloud targetting, how tf isnt he retargetting thorns in this clear?

[quick pecan]

marksman abuse lol

[hollow epoch]

Isnt he the only ground unit in the entire map?

[jovial nest]

What ops do you now like less because of me?

[quick pecan]

i did extensive tries and blue poison (at least unbuffed) with rockrock was not enough

[jovial nest]

[quick pecan]

either the flying sheep leak or dolly does

💀

[quick pecan]

do you mean the column or the detonation

[hollow epoch]

Columm

[quick pecan]

dolly has a lot of stupid attacks

[south bone]

sometimes the 2 fighting sheeps leaked so i add Insider for more dmg

[hollow epoch]

Isnt it prio last placed op with high bias towards ground ops

[spark sinew]

who are you, what have you done to jusan

jusan doesn't remove the ping from replies which i hate

[quick pecan]

honestly surprised he lived

[spark sinew]

[quick pecan]

i have

[hollow epoch]

So first strip hits the healer but after that at some point there should be a retarget to thorns?

[quick pecan]

no sora

also don’t have krooster raised

[hollow epoch]

Or am i misunderstanding how this taunt shit works

[south bone]

he took dolly's phase 1 attack once

[spark sinew]

no one

[tall cairn]

[wicked viper]

if ya keep seeing schwarz this schwarz that every where, ya would hate that too

because it's just as annoying as pop up ads

[tidal sedge]

The boss is only weight 3? Interesting

[wicked viper]

ya but he is immuned to shift no?

[quick pecan]

your guess is honestly as good as mine i know the detonation is right to left but i have had column target different ops before. honestly convinced they’re also just dying to burn procs.

[wicked viper]

i guess it's there to enable rosa/typhon

[tall cairn]

Unfortunately it’s not like we can refute it either because he does show his results.

[tidal sedge]

Oh. They are. Damn.

[wicked viper]

i mean ya can get better result by just

not using schwarz

[spark sinew]

it's just weird because in majority of cases she's not a good answer

[dark glade]

i want that eben guy from help to strive and post eben solo d15 izumik

[wicked viper]

schwarz works sure

but no schwarz works better

[spark sinew]

she works, but i mean i can also point to vigil ling duo clearing shitton of annis for example
doesn't mean i would ever recommend it to anyone to copy

[tall cairn]

ig.

[wicked viper]

i wouldn't suggest anyone to do mod6 m6 just to do some obscure content like d15 IS3

like no one gonna suggest e2 m3 saileach elysium just for high risk CC either

[spark sinew]

considering pozy works better at m3 mod2 instead of m6 mod5

[wicked viper]

and in the end

[jovial nest]

I've M3'd and capped Tequila for nothing

[wicked viper]

he still has to use pozy togeher with schwarz

[hollow epoch]

Pozy has 2 mods?

[wicked viper]

because schwarz is not enough

mod2 = lv2

[quick pecan]

ray will outsell 🩳 fr

[hollow epoch]

You wrote mod5

[wicked viper]

he meant schwarz

[hollow epoch]

I thought there was a second one or some shit

[tall cairn]

Yes there is 2 mods.

[wicked viper]

pozy with m3 mod2 > schwarz m6 mod5

[hollow epoch]

Oh

[quick pecan]

pozy will eventually get second heavy shooter module bc 6*

[hollow epoch]

In my defence ive been up for a long while

[wicked viper]

that's no excuse

just go to sleep

[hollow epoch]

Its 3 in the afternoon here

[spark sinew]

to be fair to schwarz she probably works at modx2 mody1

but still

[quick pecan]

that said not really sure why you would use that module for pozy

typewriter built the module into its base redeploy timer

[latent monolith]

It will have broken talent upgrade trust

[wicked viper]

maybe 2nd pozy mod upgrade can give better def shred

[latent monolith]

200% atk scale on typewriter

[jovial nest]

Its interesting to see Global conquer SL Typhonless

[quick pecan]

wow she will get +2% def shred pog

[spark sinew]

wow the third puzzle stage with dolly ramped up the difficulty alright

[wicked viper]

ray will inevitably get a module which make her significantly better too

consider both of her talent are nice

[jovial nest]

I'm not feeling Ray too much. Solid but not a must have

[spark sinew]

which is like every operator in the game, yes

[hollow epoch]

Was typhon a significant part of cn sl clears?

[jovial nest]

Considering how ranged DPS reliant the gimmick is

[spark sinew]

there are clears without her dw

[jovial nest]

Typhon wouldve helped nicely

[spark sinew]

with exalter though

low op i mean

[jovial nest]

We will still get our chance a year from now

SL rerun heh

[hollow epoch]

I suppose i can see how she could help

[tidal sedge]

Ray seems like she'd be nice vs Dolly

[quick pecan]

i think if i view ray’s kit at a baseline with the potential of what a module can add

she is relatively overtuned

[hollow epoch]

Im honestly still a little pissed that a fountain pozy doesnt get her typewriter to generate white clouds

[jovial nest]

The typewriter aint an ops

[latent monolith]

I don't think she's that big

[quick pecan]

the damage and cycle are already good like was the bind really necessary

[wicked viper]

typhon was used for afk strat

[latent monolith]

Looking at arkrec, even in sniperknights a lot of clears don't use her

[jovial nest]

Only those who swim in the jacuzzi can give steam

[wicked viper]

but ya don't have to

[jovial nest]

Oh and soda

Or to be more correct, only those who swim around it

[foggy grove]

ray looks nice

the range extension and focus from capybara looks neat

[latent monolith]

Ray is the final nail in schwarz' coffin

[hollow epoch]

Oh hey, to the guy who was asking for a mlynarless pozyless skalterless low op clear, i got one for you! https://youtu.be/A4up0UYXbG0?si=IKhpgXLQMTcZk_v2

It uses chalter

[jovial nest]

Theres so much solid high damaging snipers that those who still have a balanced squad have to let go of most of them and only pick the ones they prefer to use the most

[spark sinew]

you can still cope if you don't have capybara spots

[glass monolith]

[tall cairn]

Fartooth in shambles.

[jovial nest]

Does Ray have DEF shred or ignore?

[tall cairn]

[tall cairn]

No.

[spark sinew]

that looks wrong

[latent monolith]

No, but she has 5.5k dph

[jovial nest]

Then Schwarz still is relevant

[glass monolith]

She has "I don't care you have DEF, i have 450% ATK_scale

[latent monolith]

For reference mlynar is like 3k

[jovial nest]

On the few times it matters

[spark sinew]

nvm schwarz is that bad

for some reason in my mind she had 1 tile longer range

[latent monolith]

No despite the def shred Schwarz isn't really doing anything

Also ray is fully atk scale so she does take buffs well

[jovial nest]

So youre telling me Ray can do what Schwarz can in D15 IS3 TLK ending?

And better?

[spark sinew]

why would you dps tlk with schwarz

[wicked viper]

nah ray just hit super hard

[jovial nest]

I usually go Erato Nothing. I'm just putting out that special someone in IS channel that keep bringing her up

[quick pecan]

actually i will complain about ray s2

[latent monolith]

The problem with that schwarz defense is that nobody actually uses that as a reliable strat to beat the stage

Like if the boss has 4.5k def

Maybe consider stall

[quick pecan]

that shit is not afk but at the same time

just use s3 don’t cope afk

[latent monolith]

Or kay

Or arts in general

[wicked viper]

that's just schwarz propaganda ya

[latent monolith]

Or shamare

[spark sinew]

the main problem with schwarz def shred is that it's irrelevant outside of just buffing schwarz's damage (because if you actually need def shred, you bring shamare)

so this is just HG's way to add additional damage to schwarz

[wicked viper]

another case point that i see the schwarz simping is uh

[spark sinew]

because she doesn't scale well with buffs much

[jovial nest]

I still hate the peeps that recommend Weedy strats on D15 Izumik

they fail to mention ALL the asterisks attached to it

[wicked viper]

bringing schwarz for 15% sniper atk buff

[tall cairn]

Dice squad users.

[jovial nest]

Abandon AFK. Be manual.

[spark sinew]

is the key to SL-P-3 to ||juggle roadblocks? ||

[quick pecan]

no i 100% agree

[wicked viper]

ya juggle on the 2nd sheep ya

[spark sinew]

my first attempt died midway so i'm not sure
aight

[wicked viper]

but ya still deploy road block in advance

[quick pecan]

i guess it’s less complaining about that i can’t use ray s2, and more so complaining about the skill design knowing the archetype and how her talents function

[hollow epoch]

Nah its just mountain range toggling

[jovial nest]

The only thing AFK anymore about my dream team is if Eyjaberry defaults to S1, Typhon defaults to S2, and Skalter defaults to S2

[latent monolith]

Schwarz starts doing scratch damage at about 5.5k def at mod 3, which is about equal to ray dph, while ray doesn't even have her mod yet and benefits thrice as much from atk% buffs

[south bone]

basically making sure all sheeps stacks

[glass monolith]

Block first sheep from going into Humus.
Activate Mountain skill to avoid punching sheep 2
Not sure what is answer for sheep 3 because she just got killed by Blaze and i still got credit for win

[latent monolith]

Actually no it's slightly higher but like

[wicked viper]

and ray can hit stuff for having actual good range

[spark sinew]

sheeps go through him though, no?

[glass monolith]

YOU HAVE ROADBLOCKS

[latent monolith]

Anywhere near that you're basically not doing much damage

[spark sinew]

ig you can roadblock it, lemme see

too slow minus

[hollow epoch]

....place a roadblock behind him, dude

Theyll walk around him

No toggling neccessary

[jovial nest]

whats usually the gateway to the top tier snipers' value is their worth in making sure they hit their main targets when there's a mob around the boss/elite

[hollow epoch]

They wont run into mountain if theres no viable path behind him

[quick pecan]

i am still a typhon denier tbh

[jovial nest]

that is sometimes the con i feel from Poze

[latent monolith]

I'm not really a typhon denier, she is strong but like I dislike her design

So skip for ray

[jovial nest]

Chalter has shorter range but she has no issues with "missing" her target

[hollow epoch]

Yet another case for blue woman supremacy

[foggy grove]

ray shilling i can join

[jovial nest]

There's consideration to Violet woman supremacy too

but thats only

[spark sinew]

oh i didn't see that
time to ignore it and read it later

[jovial nest]

if the boss becomes alone for a while

[tall cairn]

[jovial nest]

or if the boss is heaviest

[latent monolith]

There's also the man with a shotgun

[wicked viper]

ray s2 without afk still hit like 3.7k on 3.2s interval on average ig?

[latent monolith]

And uncle with gold shining sword

[quick pecan]

angel with a shotgun too dank

[wicked viper]

or just 1.6s for regular condition

[quick pecan]

reedic and exalt honestly my favorite recent units

[wicked viper]

hunter is really sniper version of mystic caster

[latent monolith]

Exalt is satisfying, my only gripe is his skill end fx

[jovial nest]

I usually have to consider that bosses will most likely have some flying to them due to the pattern. But thank goodness there's not a lot of them

Mandragora's debut was still one of the worst first impressions of a flying boss ever

[latent monolith]

Mandra wasn't that bad, she just wanted you to abuse the stage mechanic

[quick pecan]

except the trade off of higher atk interval for higher atk is nicer to the phys damage formula than it is to the arts damage formula

[jovial nest]

if you were slow, she ALSO abuses it right back to you

heh just need to make sure the pillars don't hit anyone

[wicked viper]

quite funny that ray can 1 cycle mandra with pillar tho

[jovial nest]

or else she will use em

[wicked viper]

cuz long range, so she won't be lasered

[quick pecan]

we should be getting a skin for him soon right??

[jovial nest]

I wonder how Ray's value will be 6 months from now in CN. Curious if I'd pull for Ray then

[quick pecan]

reedic got her skin maybe a few months for cn to get an exalt one

prayge for live 2d

[jovial nest]

Reedic is so far away from Exalter's release...

[quick pecan]

is she actually

[tall cairn]

[south bone]

Yes

[quick pecan]

it was shorter than 6 months no??

[jovial nest]

dude its like a LOT

[south bone]

well around 6-7 months

[quick pecan]

my time perception is so fucked

so honestly i believe you

[latent monolith]

Yeah but that led to those funny mandragora suicide clears

https://youtu.be/anNV8s5hx8Q?t=7m28s

They were more common in tfn I think

[latent monolith]

But defo did happen in H9-6

[quick pecan]

anyway i will cope skin

[jovial nest]

5-6 months is far enough yes

[wicked viper]

in CN, reed was release on 13th july
exe alt was on 21th december

[foggy grove]

i will cope cy skin
i don't like his l2d

[wicked viper]

so 5 months

[jovial nest]

Memories of ch9....I still used to use Mudrock back then

[quick pecan]

he’s so yummy

[jovial nest]

cause i remember she got shat on hard by the Beam

[quick pecan]

but kuroblood said they didn’t draw art for cny

so i mald

[foggy grove]

[tidal sedge]

He already looks pretty cool. What do you hope a skin looks like for him?

[quick pecan]

not sure tbh

[jovial nest]

more chinese clothing

[wicked viper]

consider nian dusk ling skinline

[jovial nest]

its always is and was for all the Suis

and their operator-related events

[wicked viper]

chongyue will put more clothes on

[spark sinew]

qiupao, like his sisters?

[jovial nest]

there's such a thing as male chinese clothing

[quick pecan]

i would charge back my p6 immediately

[tidal sedge]

I meant ExFed

[spark sinew]

heresy

[jovial nest]

also Ling's first skin ain't a Qipao anyways

even though i wanted it to

[wicked viper]

i think it's most likely something like aak skin

[jovial nest]

yes

Aak's 2nd skin is close

very robe-like potentially

[jovial nest]

I'm waiting for Ya2 skin

Mlynar and Tex2's skin for me....I do not like

[tall cairn]

Doesn’t Aak already have 2.

[jovial nest]

yeah

2nd skin looks better

[tall cairn]

There’s a difference?

[quick pecan]

who care about aak skin when hung winks at me in his skin

what a flirt

[jovial nest]

I'm considering Virtuosa and Ray. But planning my squad to mostly work in a deployment limit of 8 really changes how you build your squad

[jovial nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838924737668186121/1185309162498969690/veply.gif?ex=65b40e2e&is=65a1992e&hm=0497587f944c0597606190f0e025c36602d17a5e65404ecdc4a9604969c958ff&

[quick pecan]

you’re threatening me with a good time i want saria to hit me

[jovial nest]

that's not Saria

nor is it AK-related

[glass monolith]

AL?

[spark sinew]

ban for offtopic

bye jusan

wtf, scammed

[lethal dragon]

No op

[spark sinew]

didn't figure out how to path third sheep to fly so just juggled blocks

[tall cairn]

Ez.

[lethal dragon]

Kekw

Put two blocks in front of Gavial
And on block near humus

[quick pecan]

wtf

[glass monolith]

I just had poor sheep walk into Blaze and die

[quick pecan]

why so wifey coded

if not saria

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xt-EXFFl0w&ab_channel=Storn

[jovial nest]

I used Chalter and you don't see me making a vid about it

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfb60alg8w&ab_channel=Pengod

[jovial nest]

it's kinda hilarious seeing that. Because I know there's a ranged operator who's job is to kill the star count since doing it via soda is too slow

or also FRD with soda

[tall cairn]

[jovial nest]

thats what i used to kill phase 1. Just constant soda + FRD

[tropic valve]

because it's a lot easier to go through all the floors of D15 with Schwarz, than with Mr. Nothing + Erato

[spark sinew]

is it

[tropic valve]

by a long shot

[spark sinew]

how do you kill pompeii with schwarz

[jovial nest]

here's the thing

[tropic valve]

S2 and Krooster

[jovial nest]

with enough CC relics

[spark sinew]

also schwarz need shitton more support for knight, she can't solo it

[jovial nest]

you only need Nothing

[tropic valve]

she does need support yes I'm not denying that

[jovial nest]

in other words, it's less of a hassle sometimes. Schwarz ain't exactly something i consider premiere IS3 carry

[tropic valve]

but it's a lot easier to draft

if you look at all my Knight videos, you'll notice I have a different team each time

Schwarz is the only common thread

[jovial nest]

for me it's always about

[spark sinew]

i wonder why

[jovial nest]

it could be more of a hassle to get the ops required

but it is 100% consistent to win with

easy execution

not relic reliant

thats the power of the EraNothing

[tropic valve]

I think she IS the premiere IS3 carry, I mean can you really ask for more than leakless up to F3, all Gopniks killed before they reach Knight, good setup for Wonderland, good setup for F6 if you're also doing that?

there's a reason she had 100% pick rate in Mizuki Cup (in the top 4)

the only 6* who did

[jovial nest]

I'd like some vids of that too

[tropic valve]

it's on bilibili, I can try to find it

[jovial nest]

thank you

I know there's value there

but I'd like to see

how much execution or finesse is needed

or DPS relics...

[tropic valve]

do you feel like my videos are very execution intensive?

[jovial nest]

cause I was fine just mindamaging TLK to death since it was purely AFK

[tropic valve]

I don't think they are

I mean sure I do the Schwarz double-shot

that's about as intensive as it gets

most people can pick that up after only a few tries

[jovial nest]

also is this considering what endings?

cause i really don't see Schwarz being the go-to for Ed4

[tropic valve]

she's the 2nd best Sniper after Chalter for ed4

Chalter is obv the best because AoE

[jovial nest]

figures regarding nuking power

[spark sinew]

i don't see how schwarz is better than greyy

[jovial nest]

but how to clear D15 Izumik requires quite the luck for those multiple ways to beat it

[spark sinew]

especially considering hope cost

[jovial nest]

even with the easiest way to do d15 izumik

it requires some luck for the relics you want

[tropic valve]

I mean if we're talking the easiest way to do D15 Izu'mik, then it's definitely Weedy push, in which case I'd rather run Schwarz opener then draft Weedy, rather than Chalter opener then draft Weedy (or other way around)

[spark sinew]

what does schwarz do in this case that pozy doesn't though

[jovial nest]

I'm always amazed how people do Weedy strats since it's a lot of unusual ops to get to

its akin to getting Erato Nothing but a LOT more

[tropic valve]

if you look at my Hope count in my Schwarz runs, it's usually 20+ spare Hope, enough to take a spare Weedy AND Angelina/Ho'ol along the way

[jovial nest]

and how people clear floors with the Weedy setup ops is beyond me

[tropic valve]

Weedy is very skill intensive

I will admit I'm not that good at Weedy strats

[jovial nest]

Schwarz has better nuking power but shittier range and no typewriter

sometimes the better option if all you want is burst

[spark sinew]

does she

[jovial nest]

yeah

in a specific amt of defense

[spark sinew]

maybe on bullies in emergency rat king

[jovial nest]

Schwarz wins

over Poze

[spark sinew]

I'm aware

normal maps don't go that high

[jovial nest]

well, you're fighting enemies that mostly go to that annoying DEF threshold

in d15

with all those annoying elites

[tropic valve]

ok, without looking it up, let's say a map has shitty range tiles so you can't do straight lines: that means both Schwarz and Pozy have to sacrifice some damage: Schwarz switches to S2, Pozy uses S3 without typewriter

[jovial nest]

but of course

[tropic valve]

do you know what DEF they equalize at?

[jovial nest]

there's always the hard pill to swallow

not everyone wants to invest on Schwarz

she's not exactly the premiere sniper for more normal content

or to be specific

less-masochistic content

[spark sinew]

it should be 2k if you asking me

[tropic valve]

trick question, there is no DEF, Schwarz also outDPSes

[spark sinew]

but i mean, I'm here because I'm asking you, since i never bothered

[tropic valve]

S2 is just that good

[spark sinew]

oh you meant in example above

[tropic valve]

yes

[spark sinew]

not s3 vs s3 + typewriter

[tropic valve]

in the S3 vs. typewriter scenario it's 1200

but even in the 0 DEF case, Schwarz is still outputting 80% of Pozy's output

[spark sinew]

there are so so few maps where you can't use typewriter though

[tall cairn]

[spark sinew]

and even then you can still use it but it's just some shitty one tile i think

[tropic valve]

sure

the example above was kinda extreme

[spark sinew]

so pozy always will have her summon

[wicked viper]

ya don't need both to target the same enemies

[jovial nest]

It really is about less convenience but higher damage potential

[wicked viper]

ya can just

place pozy somewhere else for dps

[tropic valve]

usually even a shitty tile will at least let you sneak in a couple hits on the typewriter

[jovial nest]

But this is coming from a situation

Where you cant just make your squad the way you like

Drafting from vouchers

Thats why IS meta is so different

[wicked viper]

even if pozy doesn't have a good typewriter tile next to her
ya can just place typewriter somewhere else that schwarz can't reach

[jovial nest]

I wouldnt see Schwarz much in non IS because of debuffs and other physical combos

So its all about the same for Krooster. Will you raise an ops purely for IS meta

Heh

[tropic valve]

sure, and that's why Pozy is better than Schwarz for OOC

[wicked viper]

and can be for other maps as well

[tropic valve]

but overall I find Schwarz and Pozy to be #1 and #2 in some order

above everyone else

[jovial nest]

OOC is so shit. Even with Shawl it still feels like shit

[tropic valve]

note that I've never discredited Pozy's power in IS

she is also really, really good at carrying

[wicked viper]

[jovial nest]

Sniper vouchers are hugely contended in ISs

[wicked viper]

if someone already have pozy

and ya still suggest schwarz

[jovial nest]

Too many good snipers

[wicked viper]

aren't ya discrediting her then

[jovial nest]

It's D15 purposes

[wicked viper]

and how often ya need schwarz for d15?

[jovial nest]

Where damage matters more than range and flexiblity

[tropic valve]

I mean let's compare the bosses

Highmorb

[spark sinew]

the main problem with "draft both" is that they have too much overlap
especially in era of ed4 i would probably just skip both

[tropic valve]

Schwarz has an advantage here

Pozy can't reach phase 2

typewriter can

[wicked viper]

and investment cost too

[jovial nest]

If you have that much resource for 2 snipers

[spark sinew]

draft krooster greyllter/chalter instead

power couple

[tropic valve]

but Schwarz outdamages typewriter cleanly

[jovial nest]

I'd do one Chalter

[tropic valve]

The Last Knight

[jovial nest]

And the other is Schwarz/Poz

[wicked viper]

getting schwarz to both mod and both mastery

[tropic valve]

I would usually favor Schwarz here, because as you well know, 5520 DEF

[wicked viper]

but ya don't need schwarz for TLK

[jovial nest]

Thats the hard pill

[latent monolith]

TLK is largely irrelevant since at D15 nobody uses damage on it

[wicked viper]

if people don't suggest saileach m6 for CC

[latent monolith]

Stall is just better

[tropic valve]

and for reasons I've mentioned above, you'll have a much more stable run getting to F5 with Schwarz, than with a Nothing stall comp

[wicked viper]

i don't see why would they need schwarz for IS3

[tropic valve]

stall does work against the boss, I'm not denying that

[jovial nest]

Yeah, we're talking the speedrunner meta. Since even TLK solutions are much easier done with stun loops

[spark sinew]

part of the reason i drafted schwarz over pozy also more experience with schwarz
that said you don't need damage for highmorb, you just use shamaee horn and it overkills

[tropic valve]

Ishar'mla

[spark sinew]

or some other variation

[tropic valve]

here Schwarz and Pozy are about equal