strategy

[karmic glade]

this one is even kinda hard, failed once

[vernal lion]

timing issue fr

I don't mind if 2 snipers died, but the last wave is

[turbid badge]

wtf how

i beat it sl7

[scarlet ledge]

... bruh

just time it

[vernal lion]

true

[lethal dragon]

Binge leto

[scarlet ledge]

naga

my tw progress

im at 4-9...

gonna be soft locked there

[vernal lion]

good enough

[scarlet ledge]

magma tile is a pain

for my ops lvl rn

broke

i need to play is3

plus i need to get highmore there

for better aoe

[vernal lion]

so what stage is early for t3 mat for e2ing 4 star

[scarlet ledge]

i need gel

for beanstalk

i need to gel stage

early

[crystal cargo]

He 7 moment

[jovial nest]

farm event...

[whole crater]

I am back

Stuck on random pisseasy stage again

He 8 the civs keep dying

I blocked all the rocks that r blockable

And then at the end the gardener kid just nukes them and they both die anyway

[tidal sedge]

Is the block debuff disabling your ops' ability to stop the rocks?

Your ops need an open block slot to stop them

[whole crater]

Yea im using 2 block kids

[gray stone]

2 block isn't cutting it

[whole crater]

Let me try bringing 3 block dummies

[tidal sedge]

Are they affected by the -2 block debuff when this happens

2 block works, you just need to deploy them after he casts block debuff

[gray stone]

ya but why do that when just deploy 3 block?

enemies hit hard either way

[tidal sedge]

Idk what's going on in their strat to know how tight/open squad slots are

[gray stone]

If they are running a shifter that should lower the DPS requirement, and block too

[crystal cargo]

you need to block 4 points in he 8

[gray stone]

No you don't?

[tidal sedge]

I only block 3

[crystal cargo]

huh

[foggy grove]

yeah

[gray stone]

At no point the boss -3 block

[crystal cargo]

i mean you need to block 4 places

[foggy grove]

nah he meant block 4 stones

which you don't really need to

[gray stone]

you only need to block 2 tbh

I only bring 2 Defenders

[crystal cargo]

[tidal sedge]

You can redeploy ye

[crystal cargo]

i guess my auto is inefficient

[gray stone]

Yeah that, by the time the civs move to the hit zone of 3, defender on 1 already refreshed

[tidal sedge]

EX-8 is the same in that regard

I rotate Gummy and Croissant

[gray stone]

yeah EX-8 was really easy considering the holes actually work in your favor

[crystal cargo]

this was basically my strategy but i replaced shining with warf

[tidal sedge]

The plunderers and Fortuna sit around to be shot too

[gray stone]

This looks inefficient and dangerous af

[crystal cargo]

it works

[gray stone]

[crystal cargo]

it desynced like twice once

because i leveled saria

[gray stone]

You know, there is a ranged tile that you could have used

between the 2 stone dispensers

[whole crater]

Ok it's pisseasy

[gray stone]

instead of group everyone to get hit by AoE

[whole crater]

Didn't know the rocks go through my 2 blockers

[crystal cargo]

?

well i can outheal

[tidal sedge]

So it was the block debuff after all

[whole crater]

Yea

[quick pecan]

this is so troll

[tidal sedge]

Not 100% yet smh

[whole crater]

What is that

[quick pecan]

gated from +38 atk 2 ammo and 10% atk scale

[foggy grove]

i hit 100 few hours ago

and mod 3

[whole crater]

Man I do not feel like playing this event

[gray stone]

Too bad bozo

[whole crater]

I do need pulls for that besieger purple kid tho

[foggy grove]

it's pretty chill event except for newbie

[quick pecan]

all i can say is ppl are probably not approaching stages the way they should be approached

they make you panic by civs + potential enemy spawns not from red box + dp management

[whole crater]

I want to brute force

So bad

[gray stone]

People complaining is just complaining because bringing a flag is too hard

[quick pecan]

but if you get used to it then it isn’t that bad

[foggy grove]

and no typhon won't help your core issue with this event

[gray stone]

Literally the stage is just choosing 1 altar and camping the civs there

[whole crater]

Typhon is for anesthetics

Aesthetic

[gray stone]

all the EX stages except 8

[quick pecan]

well like i said

ppl

aren’t approaching them right

bc they aren’t thinking to do that

[whole crater]

I dont have enough dp

[quick pecan]

they wanna just kill everything and not think about anything else

[gray stone]

Oh no I can't look at the entire screen

[quick pecan]

anyway

[gray stone]

I must hyperfixate on my operator's VFX

[quick pecan]

insider is actually pretty pog

this .7s atk interval is actually really good for clearing early rushes

[gray stone]

Haven't used him yet, I need pulls to get Cantabile tho

[quick pecan]

also 20 sp cost gigachad

[gray stone]

and auto rec

[quick pecan]

true grey throat is crying

[whole crater]

Does anyone use surtr anymore

[gray stone]

I used her in this event

[foggy grove]

do i e2 max
prolly not

[gray stone]

as a meatshield

[foggy grove]

yeah why not

[whole crater]

Gg

[whole crater]

I feel like better options most of the time

Unless u really need that multi target long duration damage

[gray stone]

I mean, she doesn't die, that's the point

She has 7k HP, she easily sweeps stuff while being unkillable

[quick pecan]

ok yall

[whole crater]

Ic

[foggy grove]

pretty dumb panic button that won't die for a few secs

[quick pecan]

what would cook harder

[whole crater]

Maybe I got too used to using helidrop

I have no brain anymore

[quick pecan]

spuria with aosta s2 or spuria with sesa s2

(i dont own either of them)

[whole crater]

What tf is a spuria

[gray stone]

crazy woman

[quick pecan]

aak but more troll

[whole crater]

Is it a 6 star

[gray stone]

no

[quick pecan]

instead of straight murder

[whole crater]

It's aak archetype?

[gray stone]

ya

[whole crater]

Dang he's not alone anymore

That's crazy

[limpid siren]

insider damage maths is a really nice demonstration of why marksman snipers care so much about any extra flat atk
60 -> 80 is like +24 atk, which ends up being about 55 during s2, which ends up being about +1k total damage

[polar crane]

you're igne?

[gray stone]

Profile is 1 tap away

[tidal sedge]

Goddammit

I have to stop falling for this

[foggy grove]

yeah my only beef is my mild ocd
since most of my op is just 60

[limpid siren]

quick cycle and dph focus makes insider's gains really easy to track and feel

[foggy grove]

but maybe i'll bite

[limpid siren]

i had this problem until i started sending all my dps units to 80

i can't remember what triggered me first, but probably missing kills in older cc seasons

[quick pecan]

am i about to commit account damage and buy sesa from kernel

[gray stone]

why

[tidal sedge]

Because I don't think to check

[quick pecan]

or do i just cope for an off rate aosta

his skin is goated too

fuck

[whole crater]

Can someone make me a fun squad my teams r so incredibly stale

Also I only have like 2 non 6 stars raised

[tidal sedge]

Avoid running afk skills imo

[whole crater]

I dont have afk skills

I just don't activate them

Just statcheck unironically

[tidal sedge]

Interesting.

[whole crater]

This is my main team I usually only activate canta and myrtle skills

[tidal sedge]

Hm. On-deploy skills

Well really what do you find fun exactly

[whole crater]

Uh

No idea

[limpid siren]

what bores you about this team

[whole crater]

Gameplay is too linear

[limpid siren]

is it the same old tactics every time? or is it that you feel too strong?

[whole crater]

I play dp

Then I bomb the entire map

If it works it works too well

If it doesn't it doesn't work at all

[limpid siren]

you may consider playing with fewer units, this is often a player's first foray into trying to make the game feel fun again

cut out the vanguards

see how well you adapt to deploying units as you need them

using as few as possible

[whole crater]

Ok

[limpid siren]

playing lower rarity teams is a pretty steep investment cost to get started now

but you might consider a faction team

abyssal hunters are far and away the most competent

kazimierz has a fairly redeploy heavy playstyle

[whole crater]

I'm missing abyssal hunter units so I cant

[limpid siren]

iberia is still quite competent, but probably harder to manage than both of the above

[whole crater]

Let me see what I'm missing in kazi

[limpid siren]

race teams are also fairly popular

liberi probably being the strongest of them all

[whole crater]

Iberia I need to raise a lot more than I have I think

[limpid siren]

just throwing ideas out for you really

there's a lot of different ways to try and spice up your teams

most of them are different flavours of squad building limitations

[gray stone]

Start a new account if you feel like it 👍
Easy way to burn out so not for everyone

and problem with accessing those units early on

[whole crater]

New account is too rough for me I tried it

I'll see if I can make a random team

[gray stone]

You can look at your current roster and find which teams you already have a lot of units

I can probably start playing Sniperknights if I didn't lack Ros

[limpid siren]

Tbh if that’s the only gap, you just borrow

[gray stone]

[limpid siren]

Rosmontis isn’t quintessential anyway

[whole crater]

Does this look random enough

[limpid siren]

Try it out

[whole crater]

Ok

I dont have enough dp for this awful event

[limpid siren]

Can lower the dp curve of your squad to compensate

It’s actually a fun part of squad building if you exclude flags

[whole crater]

Yeah I want to play without flags but only pioneer raised is flametail

Would be cool if I had ines but she doesn't rlly do much for dp either

[limpid siren]

Agent value is in flexibility anyway

A handful of dp, a touch of utility, with a side of lowered redeploy time

[whole crater]

Yea

I think Texas would be good but I'm p sure she needs close to max investment

Cuz of how squishy she is

[gray stone]

No?

[crystal cargo]

texas needs mod tbh

[gray stone]

Her job is just get in, print and get out

[whole crater]

Yea mod and m3

[crystal cargo]

s2m1 is also good for more stun time

m3 is minimal unless ur running texas with bagpipe

[limpid siren]

As long as she can survive, that’s enough for level investment

[tidal sedge]

The trick to Texas is to avoid having her block more than 1-2 enemies in general. At least thats how I use her

[whole crater]

Well she's e1

[limpid siren]

Mod1 is nice for how cheap it makes her

[whole crater]

So I don't think she works

[limpid siren]

But realistically i care more about her not dying

[crystal cargo]

i dont have bag so i run sail and texas to use their skills at around the same time

[tidal sedge]

Her fast DP usually enables a follow up play to protect her

[crystal cargo]

her defense isnt that bad for opening

[whole crater]

I wish I raised more vanguards

[crystal cargo]

she only struggles against elites

[gray stone]

Can't relate, I built a sht ton of them

[weak gazelle]

well use this as an opportunity to get used again with old pioneer way

[tidal sedge]

Those are fine e2 vg choices

[crystal cargo]

a lot of choices yeah

[whole crater]

I only raised guards

[gray stone]

I only care about Texas surviving for 1st cast anyway

[crystal cargo]

sail is good

[whole crater]

I'm using non op abuse

[foggy grove]

flag is pretty boring fr

[whole crater]

So cant be using sail

[weak gazelle]

and be glad pioneer mod in general are so good

[tidal sedge]

Flametail should be fine if I can get away with MuMu, I think they have similar dp gen rates

[whole crater]

Just flametail isn't enough dp

[crystal cargo]

sail is kind of like a nuker tbh

[quick pecan]

but elysium husband

[foggy grove]

i have m6

[quick pecan]

same

[foggy grove]

[quick pecan]

[limpid siren]

Pot check

[quick pecan]

igneus

how dare

[foggy grove]

max pot 🫡

[quick pecan]

i’m missing

one pot

[limpid siren]

[crystal cargo]

i had limited choices

[tidal sedge]

I'm hoping Poncirus will be as fun as I hope

[quick pecan]

eyja needs to die faster so i can max pot my elysium

[limpid siren]

I just want her to be sturdy

Then i need to figure out which pioneer to kick

[foggy grove]

i have max pot ely and texas

[limpid siren]

Texas or zima

[gray stone]

Texas holds the crown as the fastest DP in the game I think

[crystal cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588958885150721/1181097297455620197/mod1s2m3_texas-1.gif?ex=657fd193&is=656d5c93&hm=5ce9c1e4b0e631d43379c6d5413d5bff325d828e94d5e170a39a26462080a361&

best dp bomb

[tidal sedge]

With MuMu being good solo dp gen this event for me, I think Poncirus would've been pretty good besides early rock tanking

[weak gazelle]

idk, if me
i am not too excited about Ponci

[crystal cargo]

idk if the dp from retreat is calculated from her base dp cost without mod or her mod dp cost

[limpid siren]

Fast dp not really my concern if im running solo or duo pioneers tbh

I just need the idiot to stay alive

[tidal sedge]

Also she'd be unfortunately bad when gardener does -2 block debuff

[quick pecan]

all this pioneer talk makes me mald abt chiave

[gray stone]

Man

[tidal sedge]

Why did they do his module dirty

[gray stone]

Because they can

[weak gazelle]

oh right is gardener debuff can be resisted or clened by lumen for example?

[crystal cargo]

i sure hope sail mod lets her attack and have 1 block with skill active

[limpid siren]

Don’t think resistance works on it

[tidal sedge]

If his redeploy reduction worked as squad buff he'd be my favorite vg hands down

[whole crater]

I think I need to kill either one of irene or akafuyu and kill eun what do I add after

[foggy grove]

what could have been

[quick pecan]

i will simply cope for chive alter

[crystal cargo]

bag

[tidal sedge]

It doesn't appear to have a timer. If it does, its very very long

[quick pecan]

[whole crater]

That's called abusing flagpipe

[tidal sedge]

I stalled a scuffed EX-8 run and the debuff persisted well after his death

[weak gazelle]

i thought so
the only thing i know to counter that is camo/invis/dollkeeper

[crystal cargo]

why not abuse flagpipe

[tidal sedge]

Or just deploying after he casts debuff

[gray stone]

My EX-8 run is just Mountain Mudrock abuse

they are incredibly good bodies

[tidal sedge]

I tried the funny Quercus + Gavialter thing

[weak gazelle]

yeah timing deployment

[tidal sedge]

Since Gavialter s3 counters every debuff

[weak gazelle]

let see if lessing can counter it (in the future)

[gray stone]

no

[tidal sedge]

I don't think it counts as status

[gray stone]

If it was everyone would be running Lumen

[whole crater]

Bc game is boring and I can bruteforce every level with no brain

So doing no op ops

[crystal cargo]

try sail s3 and texas s2 then

you can make texas have like 7 dp

[whole crater]

That's a flag

[weak gazelle]

why lumen
purestream better than him for that purpose

[whole crater]

No flags allowed

[crystal cargo]

also funny nuker skill

sail s3 is more like a pioneer

because you nuke dogs with her skill

its also more damage focused unlike the other flags

also has slow stun and fragile

[weak gazelle]

i see
so not count as status modifier huh

[quick pecan]

i cope they made flag modules mid so saileach can eat good with flag2 mod

[scarlet ledge]

holy fuck that was fucking scary @weak gazelle

playing is3 on tw

[tidal sedge]

I'm curious what Flag Y module will even do

[limpid siren]

Zima can make texas cost 5 dp
Zima > saileach fr?

[crystal cargo]

i sure hope she does because shes my only 6* vg

[scarlet ledge]

idk if i can even do highmore

[quick pecan]

they could literally just copy paste pioneer -4dp mod and she would cook

[scarlet ledge]

i dont fucking have enough hp

for leak

lmfao

[quick pecan]

maybe add some initial sp

[weak gazelle]

summoner 🚮

[crystal cargo]

i heard her mod was that she gives block to an op infront of her

which is actually good

for gavial

ig

[limpid siren]

-4 dp would make p1 saileach the same cost as p6 myrtle, there’s no way they let that through lol

[tidal sedge]

I don't think they'll do that.

[scarlet ledge]

@weak gazelle look at this shit

[quick pecan]

flag mods are nice if you open with low block but ehh

[crystal cargo]

it was translated

[scarlet ledge]

....

[crystal cargo]

so idk

[tidal sedge]

I suspect they gave pioneers -4 dp precisely to make them more competitive to flags

[limpid siren]

I think flag module effect looks better on paper

[quick pecan]

i said cope ok

[tidal sedge]

Giving flags -4 dp just swings thing back the old way

[limpid siren]

Let me have my 5 dp texas ok ty

[quick pecan]

realistically they’re gonna give her like
3dp cost less for the next unit and sleep

[brazen stream]

I like her passive attack speed

[quick pecan]

instead of 2dp less

[crystal cargo]

if you want to trust google translate

this is what her mod does

[weak gazelle]

restart again your run
its disgusting

[limpid siren]

Yea they just gift their block to the unit ahead

[tidal sedge]

Hm. would that be fun with s2

[limpid siren]

It’s a nice but ultimately kinda whatever effect

[crystal cargo]

it would help reapers

[tidal sedge]

I'm probably too short on mod blocks to indulge

[crystal cargo]

a fact about sail s2 is that it can heal enmity

[tidal sedge]

Well her s2 is already a big boon for reapers even without the block buff

[limpid siren]

On the surface sure, in practice reapers tend to live or die by their own power

[brazen stream]

imagine it gives +1 block to Skalter’s seaborn like SN

unkillable

[crystal cargo]

i hope her second mod is better

[limpid siren]

Last time i needed to gift regen to pluma that i can remember was like NL anni

Otherwise the usual adjustment is to offset her

[crystal cargo]

with bagpipe can sail be helidropped with s3

[brazen stream]

no

[crystal cargo]

damn

[brazen stream]

maybe with higher pot bagpipe

[crystal cargo]

a sail helidrop would be really good

[weak gazelle]

giving reaper a hp regen is a waste of deploy slot
like igneus said they live or die by their own power

[crystal cargo]

yeah which is why nobody uses sail s2

[tidal sedge]

I do it for fun sometimes

[crystal cargo]

i swap between s1 and s3

[brazen stream]

sail is good for her passive attack speed

[crystal cargo]

her aspd increase isnt noticable

[brazen stream]

chongyue zoom

[quick pecan]

only regen i would give a reaper is skalter hp regen isn’t enough to justify tbh

[limpid siren]

Because half of the aspd swing affects the enemy

[crystal cargo]

i dont notice that either

[gray stone]

She gives Mlynar 1 extra slash so worth

[crystal cargo]

+10 aspd is basically a 110% of normal attack speed

[limpid siren]

Sure, individually +/- 10 aspd isn’t that much

If all 20 pts went to your ally, or the enemy, it would be easier to notice

[gray stone]

It doesn't feel much, there are little to no indications that enemies are slapping slower

But it may or may not have saved your ass before

[limpid siren]

Similar reason why sp generation is hard to notice

[tidal sedge]

If you've ever killed an enemy during a would-be lethal swing that'd be such an instance

Assuming its in her range ofc

Hm. doesn't affect decel slowing as much as I'd hope

[limpid siren]

What’s their interval again?

[tidal sedge]

1.9

[limpid siren]

Oh gee

Much higher than i thought

[tidal sedge]

The slow gives them additional hits in which can make that deceptive

[limpid siren]

I think im just used to istina

Who shifts herself down by quite a lot

[tidal sedge]

Aspd talent and Y module ye

[quick pecan]

istina’s slow even off skill do be slappin with mod

[limpid siren]

Glaucus is just a bind bot for me so i never really notice her autos

[crystal cargo]

i dont really use decel binders in normal gameplay

[tidal sedge]

Most folks don't

[crystal cargo]

last time i used proviso was in the prison anni

[limpid siren]

They’re pretty weak picks for normal play yea

[quick pecan]

they are uhh

slowers of all time

[crystal cargo]

crazy how mostima is a better slower smh

[tidal sedge]

They're really fragile and most stuff you'd really want to play keepaway with often have something that punishes their stubby range

[crystal cargo]

i only use my proviso if i desperately need arts damage

eyja singlehandidly carries my roster in arts damage ngl

[limpid siren]

Decels are just relics of an older time for the most part

Suzuran survived because she plays more like a hexer

[quick pecan]

they also reinforced that by giving her enfeeble on second mod ya

[crystal cargo]

i forgot suzu was a decel

her and ange dont play like their subclass

[limpid siren]

Ange plays like the archetype

[crystal cargo]

i used ange for damage when i got her temp recruit in is3 so i have no idea

[quick pecan]

44% fragile 16% atk down

decel binder btw

[gray stone]

That's because her kit is just a Hexer's kit with a label on it

[tidal sedge]

Suzu is to slow what Gnosis is to freeze

[gray stone]

Can we also move Ifrit into the Hexer archetype

[crystal cargo]

doesnt mostima have more slow

she should be a decel binder smh

[gray stone]

The point is Suzuran doesn't just slow?

[gray stone]

oh that

[scarlet ledge]

what ya talking about

[tidal sedge]

Casters getting cc isn't anything new

[gray stone]

cringe

[limpid siren]

Class diversity is important

Not every “this or that” needs to be put in the exact same bucket

[tidal sedge]

Most casters have cc in their kit

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye @limpid siren i finally modded insider

gaming

[limpid siren]

Big if true

[gray stone]

Small if false

[brazen stream]

When the kaltsit isn’t a summoner

[scarlet ledge]

ye mod 3

[limpid siren]

Class bans make class diversity important

[crystal cargo]

💀

[scarlet ledge]

guardknights when cm condi bans guard

[gray stone]

I love Guard banned Specter and Specialist banned Spalter

[crystal cargo]

if casters are banned cope reedalter

[quick pecan]

medic ban incoming

[foggy grove]

is it cope when it's better

[brazen stream]

medic ban??? Saria!!!

[scarlet ledge]

SARIA S2 BROKEN?NNMM

[gray stone]

Medic ban is just a glorfied nightingale ban

[crystal cargo]

if medic ban use enmity

a mudrock is all you need

oh wait i forgot about skalter nvm

[gray stone]

Skalter is kinda weak in the healer meta

[crystal cargo]

shes a medic in disguise

[gray stone]

Her heals are quite low, you don't get away with that as much as you do before

[crystal cargo]

fair

[tidal sedge]

Enemies mostly hurt more ye

[brazen stream]

She’s my favorite medic

mod soon

[crystal cargo]

she actually has good afk healing

[foggy grove]

quercus best medic cope

[crystal cargo]

with mod

i think

idk

[brazen stream]

she’s top 3

[limpid siren]

[tidal sedge]

and it feels like maps want more impactful early plays these days so the wind-up can be annoying

[crystal cargo]

she was on the afk hps chart but so was kalsit

ig kalsit is a good healer if monster isnt on the field

and she isnt tanking damage

[quick pecan]

quercus makes good use of abjurer atk interval

[tidal sedge]

She has no sp without Mon3ter somewhere

[quick pecan]

the module got rid of what was holding her back

[foggy grove]

you need mon3ter somewhere

else it's just ansel without skill

[limpid siren]

i still think the quercus bandwagon is overstating things a bit

but it's whatever

[quick pecan]

kinda sad silence alter doesn’t have a better quercus afk skill i wanted to use her for heals lol

[crystal cargo]

s2 is decent

if you have lower standards

she still heals during it

[tidal sedge]

I was about to ask if I could get on my hobby horse

[limpid siren]

people have stopped recommending her with zero context, so i've stopped caring

[brazen stream]

Free sanctuary buff is cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEtX6RBl-DA

[limpid siren]

i still wish they pushed her sanctuary to 20% at mod3

[crystal cargo]

i dont really get the thought process behind abjurers

[tidal sedge]

The opposite to hexers

[crystal cargo]

they're like worse medics who give santuary

[tidal sedge]

My suspicion is that they wanted a new supporter branch and thats what they came up with before the trait change

[crystal cargo]

they should have added a new medic branch

[gray stone]

Shelter is pretty cool

[tidal sedge]

They didn't have healing trait remember

[limpid siren]

yea

[tidal sedge]

They changed them to that

[limpid siren]

they were really half-baked before quercus

[gray stone]

Shining DEF buff is too worthless so ig this is their idea of anti-physical
But they forgot Shamare

[limpid siren]

and even quercus was half-baked before module

[tidal sedge]

Also they were really cautious with DR at first

Look at Tsuki compared to what gets it today

[crystal cargo]

worthless is a bit too harsh

[gray stone]

Is it?

[tidal sedge]

+60 is pretty anemic ye

[crystal cargo]

ranged units can survive aak with her

[gray stone]

That's basically it?

[crystal cargo]

anyways her s2 is her main skill so it doesnt really matter

[limpid siren]

No one really aaks ranged units anyway

[gray stone]

Mlynar is a better candiate for Aak anyway so why bother

[quick pecan]

conditional defensive buffing with off skill dps lower than casters pretty much seemed like a recipe for disaster

[limpid siren]

Bit of a red herring

[tidal sedge]

Even if it was +100 at base it'd be rather questionable

[crystal cargo]

well you said worthless

[tidal sedge]

Shining imo was designed for chaining defensive skills, but that didn't shake out to be good

[crystal cargo]

im just saying that she isnt

[gray stone]

Yeah it is pretty worthless

[crystal cargo]

well

worth less

not worthless

[quick pecan]

i’d be interested in seeing an offensive take on an abjurer but not sure if they think that would belong in the class or be it’s own thing

[gray stone]

Shamare does a better job of defending against high physical than that

[limpid siren]

Too much dps already tbh

[tidal sedge]

Damage + keeping ops alive already exists in incantation medics

[quick pecan]

i was thinking of like

offensive buffs

[gray stone]

Aak

[quick pecan]

yeah at the end of the day they would probably just be another buffer

[crystal cargo]

like abjurers but instead of shelter they give inspiration or something?

well

[quick pecan]

and lose sight of the class ig

[crystal cargo]

theres already bards

[tidal sedge]

Supporters are kind of a messy class tbh

[gray stone]

Bards are just safer alternative of Geeks

[sly drift]

Integrated strategies is cringe

[crystal cargo]

good luck

hope you have april and horn

[gray stone]

Dorothy map ngl

She buys a lot of time

[sly drift]

I'm preparing for ed4

But heeeeeelll ooc emergency

[crystal cargo]

oh pozy is good for typewriter spam

2 frds

you should possibly be fine

bottom lane is more trash mobs and top lane is more possesed people

[sly drift]

No it's not possible

It's d12

[crystal cargo]

💀

ok nvm

[sly drift]

You need at least mostima and horn to complete that nonsense

[crisp bolt]

late to the conversation but

no one does Aak s3 on ranged seriously

[limpid siren]

it really is the bugbear of aak conversations

it's interesting that, realistically, aak has a similarly narrow list of good buff targets as spuria

he's just not hard limited to a singular class

[tidal sedge]

Aak buff isn't so good you'd want to use Shining to buff a ranged op ye

[tidal sedge]

At least folks using him get the option to go out of their way to make him usable even if its not a good idea in an efficiency sense

[lapis hornet]

aak buffs the biggest dpses in the game tho

[limpid siren]

common 6* privilege tbh

[tidal sedge]

But that is an interesting observation, I guess that does further explain why Spuria is the way she is

When Fortuna becomes an op they'll make her receive Spuria buff well, trust

[crisp bolt]

I doubt it'd be much of an improvement either way

[limpid siren]

as long as it makes spuria show up in a cc season, i'll get a fun ping saying "i told you so!"

[tidal sedge]

Although now that I think about it, is gardener's aspd debuff supposed to make Spuria work with more snipers

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye

i unlocked s4-10

[crisp bolt]

no

[scarlet ledge]

i can cope for gel there

[limpid siren]

ah

i hate that thought

[scarlet ledge]

😭 😭 😭

to e2 beanballs

[lapis hornet]

realistically you just need one good target, look at how far warf got by riding exu (and ash a bit in cc6 ig)

[tidal sedge]

Then again, gardener is % aspd debuff

[scarlet ledge]

wtf new player pro

[tidal sedge]

So Spuria buff is dulled by it

[limpid siren]

spuria has a couple decent targets tbh

[crisp bolt]

S4-10

[scarlet ledge]

yep

gonna cope gel there for a while

[limpid siren]

look at her go

[scarlet ledge]

balls

wtf racism

😭

[limpid siren]

spuria's problem is just that she generally fails the 1 + 1 test

[scarlet ledge]

how is the stun? @limpid siren

[tidal sedge]

The usual buffer problem

[limpid siren]

so it's going to take some really exceptional circumstances to make her shine

[crisp bolt]

ops with that slow of atk interval aren't going to feel the stun

[limpid siren]

doesn't matter if your atk interval is >1.8s

[scarlet ledge]

the only tiem i use spuria on cn

is to buff rosa or fartooth

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye igneus

ur spuria max ???

[limpid siren]

i got p5 quercus instead of spuria

good ending

a few friends raised her though

[scarlet ledge]

ye good ending

[crisp bolt]

shame I couldn't lose the 50/50 the only time I wanted to

I didn't even hit 6* pity

[quick pecan]

i got greyy alter pot + andreana pot + racism

[limpid siren]

i dodged both canta and spuria to get a pot i actually wanted

[quick pecan]

then finally spuria

[polar crane]

who is racism?

[crisp bolt]

toddifons

[tidal sedge]

Toddifons

[polar crane]

[scarlet ledge]

@crisp bolt kek i have to do 53 pulls for fedex

i got early spuria doe

so pog

[crisp bolt]

I am completely broke on pulls

[scarlet ledge]

so i am

kek

[crisp bolt]

I pulled on a previous banner

oh yeah I pulled on jo10

now I guess it's time to save pulls and hope for swalter

[tidal sedge]

That reminds me that I should save some mod blocks for her

[limpid siren]

i should do more sss

need more mod3 mats

[crisp bolt]

I should learn to do SSS

I absolutely hate doing that mode

[tidal sedge]

I'm choked by mod blocks

[limpid siren]

idk if you actually want to learn

[tidal sedge]

Thats definitely been the biggest sting of my break

[limpid siren]

but if you have some deckbuilder experience, it doesn't take long to figure it out

[crisp bolt]

it's just a matter of me wanting to do some of the more fun things rather than the boring 5 vg stack mlynar/penance

[tidal sedge]

I see it as spotting your carry/carries and then buffing them up appropriately

and doing whatever it takes to buy time to get there if need be

[crisp bolt]

and then not enjoying it at all

[tidal sedge]

But current SSS I don't need to make compromises like before

Which is a kind of a bummer in some ways

[tidal sedge]

The device selection incentizes you to build around them

You could go hard on whatever your device choice wants to do. Like going heavy multi-class with Mama John device

[limpid siren]

I think there’s not enough nuance to the game mode for me to enjoy experimenting

It’s a pretty solved mode

[tidal sedge]

True, it is watching your carries stomp even then

[quick pecan]

i never do sss

although i’ve heard chong is fun in it

[tidal sedge]

But maybe a change in aesthetic is enough for them

[limpid siren]

I only started doing sss recently because my absence has drained my mod mat supply

[scarlet ledge]

playing sss

[tidal sedge]

Did you enjoy it before the nerf?

[limpid siren]

I enjoyed figuring it out

[tidal sedge]

I see.

[scarlet ledge]

i enjoyed not playing it

[limpid siren]

It doesn’t really have the same appeal as something like Slay the Spire to me though

[scarlet ledge]

true

[limpid siren]

I find it frustrating that there’s no autocomplete too

Despite it being a regular farm

[sly drift]

[crisp bolt]

yeah I just have little interest in it

[sly drift]

You mean auto complete like skipping the farm?

[scarlet ledge]

finally

i can farm gel...

i just need to e2 beanstalk

to start breaking shit

[scarlet ledge]

ya

[limpid siren]

yea

hg is weirdly resistant to sweep style clears

[scarlet ledge]

wait for 10 yrs anniv

[limpid siren]

[polar crane]

[tidal sedge]

HE-8 has me wondering if making stable autos take effort is something they want players to do or keep in mind

[limpid siren]

i think the stable autos conundrum should be on them, not us

[tidal sedge]

I agree. I'm just trying to interpret their intentions

[limpid siren]

if you want to have a glorified macro do half of the farming for us, you should at least try to guarantee its stability for the wider playerbase

[tidal sedge]

indeed, i remember when we had to claim dailies/weekly one at a time

[limpid siren]

i think it's just a "keep them logged in" angle, if i had to guess

[tidal sedge]

Possible intentions at least

Thats another angle ye

[limpid siren]

dark times

[scarlet ledge]

dark times is no skip tix anni

and old refresh

for support

[tidal sedge]

But when I poked around other gacha communities with auto functions, auto play/farm was its own meta or thing to strive for sometimes

waits 90 seconds for another guard refresh

[limpid siren]

i think afk teams is a valid approach

[tidal sedge]

I'm not pleased with how support is now tbh, finding something weird for testing purposes can be a pain

[limpid siren]

i'm just not sure that these are equivalent things

[tidal sedge]

I hit 1 minute timer when looking for a Harmonie to test if her s2 slow affects gardener

[limpid siren]

don't think it would

[tidal sedge]

It doesn't ye

[shrewd hinge]

Wonder if they should add a search feature

Search directly for support

[limpid siren]

afaik she needs to be able to target once for it to keep working

[crisp bolt]

just use totter

[tidal sedge]

would be nice, i wanted to see if nightmare s2 did damage when something went into/out of a staircase

So far I only found Ines talent, Mostima talent, Scene talent, and Chalter s3 affect him thus far

[limpid siren]

stuff like mosti and ambusher modules are just "are you in my range? then get fucked"

[tidal sedge]

couldn't find a support and had to level her myself to find out

[tidal sedge]

It used to but they patched that

[shrewd hinge]

What about suzu s3?

No?

[limpid siren]

suzuran is a channelled effect like harmonie s2 iirc

[tidal sedge]

Ambusher X trait doesn't work from what I saw

[limpid siren]

oh is that true

[tidal sedge]

Saria s3 nor Suzu s3 either

[limpid siren]

from memory it worked on uh

[shrewd hinge]

Ah interesting

[limpid siren]

the angry avenger

but i could be wrong about that too

[shrewd hinge]

So slow debuff vs ms reduction difference?

[tidal sedge]

Its not about being AoE or aura targeting

[limpid siren]

targeting difference

[tidal sedge]

Its just some slows are 'tile effects'

earthspirit s2 might

[tidal sedge]

Saria s3 doesn't work though

[crisp bolt]

yeah suzuran worked on avenger iirc

[limpid siren]

she'd likely need to have targeted him before phase one died

if it worked

[crisp bolt]

game has very weird interactions

[ornate siren]

could you use the same strat used for trim onto CM

on EX-7

[tidal sedge]

HG loves making effects that do the same thing do that same thing in different ways

[crisp bolt]

I wouldn't recommend it

it's significantly easier to let them break for CM

[tidal sedge]

Stupid Czerny talent

[limpid siren]

yea it really feels like everyone does things their own way, instead of having a standardised approach

[tidal sedge]

i let the one of the left break

[ornate siren]

i just wonder if it saves the micromanaging planks to give civs the path

[crisp bolt]

my method was to just get the civs to the bottom right altar and then keep spamming the activation

[tidal sedge]

repaired it when right side was set up *and middle invis was dead, the rest was similar to CM

[limpid siren]

rarely matters for most players, but it's fun to see where the rough edges are

[tidal sedge]

Why do I keep running into these weird interactions then

[limpid siren]

because you are an unusual player

[tidal sedge]

I suppose I can't deny that

[limpid siren]

the more you look, the more you see

[ornate siren]

so 2 vanguards

[crisp bolt]

yeah that's what I did

you then just nuke everything that comes on bottom side + the flying enemies down mid

everything top just walks into a hole

[ornate siren]

oh right

wait do they really just walk into hole?

not even rerouting

[crisp bolt]

not all of them do

but some of them like the rats just walk into the hole

the rest will path long way around

[tidal sedge]

If Scene's meager 8% slow causes a difference, I'd expect Ambushers 20% to have one too

[ornate siren]

fortuna should be super squishy right?

[tidal sedge]

400 def and 60 res. 35k or 42k hp depending on cm or not

Basically use decent phys

[ornate siren]

yeah good nuff

[crisp bolt]

I legitimately forgot scene had a slow

[ornate siren]

[crisp bolt]

mainly because I don't have her e2 yet

[tidal sedge]

Its only 8%

[ornate siren]

oh civs count as enemies

[tidal sedge]

I only tested it because someone reminded me of it

[ornate siren]

but damn

[crisp bolt]

there's a funny interaction with that and a certain op

[ornate siren]

my scene is only mod2

[crisp bolt]

that happened in ch12

[tidal sedge]

Slowing gardener isn't really worth it

[crisp bolt]

I have no clue on the method of autoing that

I just didn't bother and gel farmed

[ornate siren]

does he simply has cooldown or theres only a set of skill trigger on tiles

[tidal sedge]

Gardener skills are timer based

Which is why theres the deviation in civilian wait spot in the images above

[crisp bolt]

is it the skills are random?

[tidal sedge]

No

[crisp bolt]

then what's the randomness in the fight?

[tidal sedge]

The debuffs are always in the same order

The enemy appearing at start of phase 2

[crisp bolt]

ah

[tidal sedge]

Making a stable auto is just making sure the number of actions taken is consistent

[ornate siren]

so its like the timing of downing patriot phase 1 to stop jetpacks spawning

?

[tidal sedge]

Not quite. As Gardener phase change is also timer based

[ornate siren]

whats even spawning in phase 2 gardener anyway

[tidal sedge]

The invis goons

[ornate siren]

aw hell fucking naw

[glass monolith]

My autos is: Add enough instabilities to stabilize it

[tidal sedge]

and I think the hook guys?

[ornate siren]

surprised yall would do an auto on a stage you wont do again

[tidal sedge]

I need RMA

and my auto has always been stable

[ornate siren]

oh wait thats HE-8?

[tidal sedge]

Ye

[ornate siren]

i thought its EX-8

[tidal sedge]

EX-8 the summon is the 2nd civ I think

and they made that consistent

Which is why I think the randomness in HE-8 is intentional/malicious

[limpid siren]

i think the randomness is just a byproduct of how rng interacts with the auto (macro)

[tidal sedge]

It is, but they could've made the spawns consistent instead of random

[vernal lion]

almost solo that thorn chest lol

[tidal sedge]

and I'd hope their playtesting figured that autos would be sensitive due to that

But maybe I'm giving them too much credit

[limpid siren]

probably not really something they considered

their dev cycle is quite rapid

[tidal sedge]

Hm, you think? I have the impression they work 6 months or so in advance

[limpid siren]

sure, but not all 6 of those months are spent perfecting each event

what's the term

[tidal sedge]

True. I see what you mean

[limpid siren]

minimum viable product?

i forget

[tidal sedge]

Yeah. I know what you mean, I tried explaining something similar elsewhere once

[limpid siren]

yea

[tidal sedge]

Theres other future events and op kits to work on and so forth

[limpid siren]

if i had to guess they'd have a bunch of different teams all working on different future events, with a loose timeline of events they want to release in this or that order

ideas might be discarded here and there, then picked up later

but as soon as an event gets approval/finalisation, i wouldn't expect them to do more than a cursory pass over just before it drops

[gray stone]

For gameplay maybe
But the ideas pitching and planning takes maybe a year or more

The fact that they put out a novella every month is impressive

[tidal sedge]

The discarded part intrigues since I feel HE has that with its story and gameplay. Fortuna doesn't really make sense as an enemy with what she actually does in the story

[gray stone]

Gameplay and narrative doesn't have to follow each other

[limpid siren]

i think the fact that she's an enemy fed from the story, just as a way to put pen to gameplay

didn't she accidentally shoot her friend in the story?

[tidal sedge]

Yes.

[limpid siren]

the rng targeting and chance to miss feels like a nice little ludonarrative touch

[tidal sedge]

But she doesn't actually get into any conflicts besides that. Maybe I'm reading into it from the wrong angle.

Random targeting + chance to miss feels like a design meant to convey someone panicked or frightened to me

[crisp bolt]

I'm pretty sure that's not to do with personality

[fringe jackal]

even for non game dev projects like 2 years out the timeline of what is going out to the general public is planned
then on a team by team basis, you break those big ideas down into stories which are put into the backlog (around a few months out) and then every sprint cycle (usually around 2 weeks, or 10 business days) the dev teams work on stuff

[crisp bolt]

but a literal effect of becoming a fallen sankta

but I don't understand arknights lore

[tidal sedge]

imma be honest its a meme but a lot of people allied or working for rhodes island dont make much sense with what they do in the story as well

[crisp bolt]

virtuosa joining RI

[tidal sedge]

I don't remember the specifics on that either, I'm a selective reader

[tidal sedge]

fr fr

[crisp bolt]

fallen Sankta get rejected by their patron firearm iirc

[glass monolith]

Reminds me of "Joined your party against your will" joke, but in reverse

[gray stone]

Pretty funny that the event mechanics do nothing to seasoned players but brutal for newbies

[tidal sedge]

They have a habit of that. MB was like that too.

[gray stone]

MB punishes you for not killing fast enough

[crisp bolt]

I never did MB

[gray stone]

Do it now

Read furry lore

[foggy grove]

it's also need heavy arts or big phys which newbs don't have

[tidal sedge]

The mechanics are kind of a positive feedback loop/vicious cycle. Can't kill fast > enemies drain dp with their effects > harder civ management > more dp needed > but its being drained by enemies > etc

[turbid badge]

jessy

[gray stone]

That and enemy stats

[crisp bolt]

jesselton

[tidal sedge]

Plus their stats are high in comparison to e1 ops can handle

[gray stone]

yeah, it's funny that the crossbows are deceptively tanky

[latent monolith]

The arts mfs hit pretty hard

[tidal sedge]

HE gave my ines a lot of work to do

[gray stone]

The machete guy forces your defender skill up if you run an E1 team

[tidal sedge]

A lot of folks don't fully clear their first event, but a lot of new folks struggled to even reach the good farming stages

[gray stone]

HE-6 is a major roadblock

HE-5 is somewhat bearable, but you have to level shifters

[crystal arch]

sss. its chongyue time.

[vernal lion]

RNG sucks ass

[scarlet ledge]

naga

i didnt get uncle on tw banner

got eben

omegalul

wrong male

[vernal lion]

sucks ass

[scarlet ledge]

@vernal lion rn its uncle and god banner

lmfao

[vernal lion]

I say it's always scam banner

[scarlet ledge]

but hey i got eben

[vernal lion]

I didn't even get any 6 star from standard banner in my life

[scarlet ledge]

oh ye anni 1 tw done @vernal lion

[vernal lion]

or, 6 star but not in that banner

[scarlet ledge]

mudrock support

[vernal lion]

I did use my brain for this stage

[scarlet ledge]

bruh

ngl idk who to get on my selector

for 5★

[turbid badge]

noob

[vernal lion]

get Mayer, trust

[turbid badge]

baby bear

[scarlet ledge]

naga

i got mayer on recruit

lmfao

[turbid badge]

wtf

[ivory nimbus]

So... this is what I got instead of Executor the Ex Foedere.

I want some advices on what to do with her.

[foggy grove]

she is a good pioneer

tho some people just like to use flags instead

[ornate pond]

shes pretty solid as an sp battery too

if ur new shes rather good for annilation and just a general 2 block vg

good to raise tbh

[ivory nimbus]

I guess she can work as a second or third Vanguard for me to raise along, I guess, though I'm hesitant because of how stretched thin my LMD and mats are across operators.

[glass monolith]

Well we have confirmed OD in sidestories at some point, so Saga stonks are high

[ornate pond]

you'll basically always be short on lmd/exp. best tip is to build ur base check out pins in #r-i-i-c u can ask more questions in there but they are sometimes inactive so u can also ask in #help

[ivory nimbus]

Thanks you.

[scarlet ledge]

gonna do cm later

me lazy

[deft badger]

junge junge..

[turbid badge]

No

[cinder pike]

what do people suggest for IS3Ending 3

[turbid badge]

kill her

mom murders her

[glass monolith]

Penance, S3, Auto cast curse, leave

[limpid siren]

Damage amp with some big hitters

Mlynar + your flavour of sniper ticket

Suzuran is a common amp pick

The bigger chunk of the fight is understanding how the tears work

[turbid badge]

i just ended up murdering her with mom + shawl

[limpid siren]

Someone else can explain it better because i never really bothered to learn

[turbid badge]

yeah just head to Is station

[limpid siren]

How tight your strategy needs to be depends on difficulty level

[vernal lion]

even at d0, keeping the tears is still painful lol

it hurts as shit

[limpid siren]

Yea, it’s just less of an instant loss to let her transform

[limpid siren]

Average isharmla screenshot

Entire team on rdp cd

[cinder pike]

I meant ending 4

[vernal lion]

ed4 is Izumik

or Mizuki

[turbid badge]

oh ending 4 is

which diff

[cinder pike]

1

[vernal lion]

d0 or d1

[cinder pike]

not slient squad but no debuffs either

[vernal lion]

silent squad is -1 d lol

[cinder pike]

oh

then it is just D0

is it just camping spawns?

[turbid badge]

u could do tjat

just intercept the jellyfish

d0 should be easy

5 jellyfish = boom

[vernal lion]

you can spawncamp 3-4 lanes,

[turbid badge]

idk if itll even kill

at d0 just use tomimidev

[cinder pike]

tomimidev?

[vernal lion]

middle is easy if you have op that can suck them in, Degen or Gladiia

[cinder pike]

shit

[vernal lion]

https://tomimi.dev/en/mizuki

[cinder pike]

I'll keep that in mind for later

[vernal lion]

@scarlet ledge nice lol

[turbid badge]

is2??

naga wat u doin

another alt

[cinder pike]

shouldn't be that hard right?

[turbid badge]

why is ho ol on s1

is this spinach cope

[scarlet ledge]

lol

[cinder pike]

I don't use hool

[scarlet ledge]

kek

mine havent updated

[turbid badge]

leite ur never updated

[vernal lion]

at least, use Hool s3

[jovial nest]

just did IS2 hard mode for all endings

[scarlet ledge]

all is2 squad have end1/3

[jovial nest]

it's a joke compared to d15

[cinder pike]

also if you have auto skills concentration discorder does not matter

[scarlet ledge]

except 4

i got bored that update

[cinder pike]

[scarlet ledge]

only two have 4th ending badge

kekw

imma play is3 on tw

i need stuff

[foggy grove]

after playing is3,is2 feels so primitive

[jovial nest]

yeah the loot rewards are unknown and no-choice in IS2 unless it's boss drop

[cosmic thicket]

i have come to the realization that penance is actually good in mama johns f6 but not for the defenses crushers, instead the robots from top lane

think this might be the optimal comp for emerge mama johns for my acc, obviously built yato alter > any non 6* frd

[jovial nest]

Sigh

it's almost not worth it to try finding TLK's encounter in f3 or f4