strategy

[lethal dragon]

Had to make do with budget Irene (młynar)

😔

[novel pivot]

normal bosses in sss are surprisingly fragile

[glass monolith]

There are not normal sss bosses?

[tidal sedge]

I'm assuming they mean Plastic, Candle Knight, Topola, and so forth

[livid delta]

actually that's a good question

do hard bosses have their stats mulitplied

[glass monolith]

Most bosses have level 0 and level 1, where level 0 is their normal stages/annihilation appearance and level 1 is their EX/S/H stages form

It really depends on boss because chapter 11 H stages boss has more defense phase 1, but still have same 500 def 0 res phase 2

[livid delta]

oh I guess the multipliers are map dependent

[glass monolith]

we don't have this emergency supply shit

yet

[full finch]

every danger level is +25% HP, +5% ATK and DEF
it's like that for every map since the nerf

[livid delta]

I'm talking about the emergency supply conditions

[vernal lion]

real

[scarlet ledge]

so pro

[atomic gust]

How good is Rosmontis?
ok, good, great or Metadefying operator?

[livid delta]

she has a nice skin

[atomic gust]

What if i dont have the skin yet?

[fresh copper]

Good enough

Not exactly a priority though

[atomic gust]

Which is better W or Rosmontis?

[livid delta]

Rosmontis

[atomic gust]

Where can i see more guides on how to use Rosmontis

[scarlet ledge]

ros

[surreal star]

real

[lethal dragon]

None of these

[soft crystal]

Shes good

[atomic gust]

Bellow avrg?

[soft crystal]

Nah shes average

For a 6 star

[lethal dragon]

Really?

[soft crystal]

She has the dps, utility and aoe and range

[atomic gust]

Doesnt matter, flying slab of metal is cool

Where can i see chart of ABC defence in number?

[soft crystal]

Tbh shes better than dusk, hellagur, W, siege

[surreal star]

abc defense?

[soft crystal]

You know the worse 6 stars

[atomic gust]

Until you cant block the enemies 👀

[lethal dragon]

Her DPS is shit
Her utility is unrequited
Aoe range doesn't matter when dps is that bad

[scarlet ledge]

.

yuu

skill issue

[atomic gust]

A+ b+ c- etcetc

[soft crystal]

Her dps is okay.

[surreal star]

her dps is fine

[lethal dragon]

Ok that's not right at all

[surreal star]

especially postmod

[atomic gust]

Whats postmod?

[surreal star]

with module

[heady hedge]

after she got module

on CN

[lethal dragon]

Yeah after mod

[heady hedge]

what was it again, i think LT

[lethal dragon]

But that's like 7 months in future

[heady hedge]

CW

[atomic gust]

Ouhh whats her module?

[lethal dragon]

CW

[lethal dragon]

More aftershock

[atomic gust]

Whats CW?

[heady hedge]

lone trial

[scarlet ledge]

CW???

[lethal dragon]

Lone trail

[atomic gust]

Whats Lone Trail?

[surreal star]

event abbreviation is cw

controls wishes

[lethal dragon]

Control's wishes = CW
Lone trail is the event name

[atomic gust]

Can i see Defence chart please?

[heady hedge]

ABCD doesnt have set numbers iirc

[atomic gust]

Oh

[heady hedge]

its just them putting random shit lmao

[surreal star]

you can create a chart in viktorlabs

in help pins

[soft crystal]

Her dps is okay for an aoe operator

[heady hedge]

i rmb seeing a C enemy having more defense then a A or smth

[surreal star]

not sure if it’s in start pins

[heady hedge]

im not too sure

[soft crystal]

This is rosmontis without mod vs 500 def

[lethal dragon]

S3, right?

[atomic gust]

Does C5 rosmontis will help her get better?

[surreal star]

c5?

[heady hedge]

er

cons 5?

p5?

[lethal dragon]

Genshin player!!!

[heady hedge]

i think she gets her atk pot at p4?

[tidal sedge]

Keep in mind how her dps gets better when aoe overlaps

[surreal star]

pots are mostly inconsequential

[atomic gust]

Dupes 5

[soft crystal]

S3 and s2

[tidal sedge]

For s3 that is

[soft crystal]

And this is ros s3 vs dusk s2 dps

[atomic gust]

Dusk will come when limited banner is here right?

[tidal sedge]

That assumes Dusk s2 gets low hp bonus the whole time. That's so sad for it

[soft crystal]

And this is vs chalter s3

[lethal dragon]

Yeah S2 is her worst skill but that doesn't make others better

[scarlet ledge]

OMFG CHALTERHCALTEHRHVKLCLXHSHAHAKRTER

[tidal sedge]

Can you do me a favor and show Ange s3 total skill damage?

[tidal sedge]

Viktor isn't cooperative for me atm

[surreal star]

try clearing cookies

[tidal sedge]

17k? That's way lower than I expected. Interesting.

[soft crystal]

I believe dusk s2 is dusk's best "burst" dps skill

Oh theres 30 res in there

[tidal sedge]

I thought it had 25k total damage. Hmm.

Oh. So my memory wasn't far off after all

[soft crystal]

It is 24.8k with 0 res

[atomic gust]

Who can debuff High defence enemies other than wafarin?

[glass monolith]

Warfarin buffs attack of ally.
For reduction of def you need Shamare S2 (easier because you just need to have any deployable tile around enemy), Pramanix S2 (little higher number but enemy must be in her attack range)
Or you know. Arts damage

[lethal dragon]

Yeah just know that she isn't good for "burst DPS"

[atomic gust]

i want someone that can help Rosmontis

[glass monolith]

There are few other sources of def reduction, but they are lesser number - Elysium S2, Chalter S3 shred, if you have Schwarz you don't care enemy she tried to debuff died to her

[tidal sedge]

Skalter S3 wouldn't be a bad partner for Ros buffing

[lethal dragon]

Shamare is you best bet because of her low ATK stats she gets walled by Def pretty easily

[tidal sedge]

Sham is a good choice as well, the atk debuff can help keep the equipment alive too

[atomic gust]

whats her role?

[elder flume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1VP411m7QT/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[lethal dragon]

50% Def reduction

[atomic gust]

i dont have shamare, but i do have Pramix lvl1 tho

[lethal dragon]

Ugh just wait for shamare

[atomic gust]

i thought pramix is better?

[glass monolith]

I don't recall name of their archetype, but they have ability to inflict fragile and debuff enemy.
Pramanix (S1 - atk speed reduction, S2 - RES/DEF reduction)
Shamare (S1 - who the fuck uses it?, S2 - ATK/DEF reduction which can be placed almost everywhere)
Gnosis (Chills/Freezes enemy)

[lethal dragon]

No

[tidal sedge]

Hexer

[glass monolith]

Pram is 60% debuff but enemy MUST be in her range.
Shamare is 50% debuff but enemy just need to exists. Number of cases you can't place her doll next to enemy is almost non existent

[atomic gust]

i almost never use debuffer or even support ops in general, how do i know when adding support is better than more DPS ops?

[livid delta]

math usually

[glass monolith]

I just brute force

IC-9 - Gladiia S3 + Pozy boss spawn kill
IC-EX - Pozy + Shamare + Warf boss spawn kill
IC-S - Everyone boss spawnkill

[livid delta]

if debuff > another op use a debuffer, simple

[soft crystal]

It depends what youre doing, but generally if its like

If youre using 2 dpses already i think most debuffs will add more dps than a 3rd dps

[atomic gust]

dps you mean 2 Melee dps and 2 Range dps or??

[soft crystal]

Any

Doesnt matter

[atomic gust]

i usually run with 5-6 dps

[livid delta]

that's fine
not a lot of things can't be solved by just throwing more damage at the problem

[atomic gust]

when it doesnt work i just skip it

[livid delta]

it just means you need more damage

[glass monolith]

I hate when boss design in nutshell is "don't kill it as fast"

[heady hedge]

well, i still do

[soft crystal]

Same

[glass monolith]

Oh right we will have at least 2 rematches with fart king

[livid delta]

sounds like you just weren't killing it fast enough

[glass monolith]

Highmore takes T4 rock for e2.... WHAT THE FUCK

[limpid siren]

[sonic willow]

Everybody uses roccs it is universal truth

[tidal sedge]

Did you not farm the necessary rocc during ch 11?

[scarlet ledge]

https://youtu.be/0wjmAEfjGk0
peak femaleknights only

[livid delta]

Calculated last mob

Sheesh

[flat sapphire]

omg femaleknights

[vernal lion]

bruh

[dark violet]

mmh, how is penance compared to mudrock?

I haven't used either, but since I'll have both, I'm wondering which one I should invest in first

[scarlet ledge]

penance required trash mobs waves or mid damage enemy to charge s3

she will die on heavy damage enemy

before she can activate s3

meanwhile

muddy regen shield is just reliable

[dark violet]

so mudork is more consistent?

alright then

guess no change of plans

[proud drift]

Wtf blemishine mod works on poison haze

[soft crystal]

Mudrock is more lazy

[proud drift]

[dark violet]

tbh I don't really use juggernauts, so I mostly would need her for the shields.

in niche cases

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah ?
It's all damage type

Also

[glass monolith]

QUERCUS FREE SKIN IS HERE (Soon)

[gleaming lodge]

The average Mudrock user can easily replace her with Penance, there won't be any problems with Penance's survival

It's when you need Mudrock S3 over her S2 that you have to really be on top of Penance's skill cycle

[dark violet]

so, in my case?

[soft crystal]

Penance s3 kinda doesnt perform that well if enemy density is way too much imo

But its fine for most cases

[gleaming lodge]

???

[soft crystal]

Takes forever for things to kill itself kind of thing

[gleaming lodge]

Penance is really good against small mobs

It's 2k arts reflect, most trash mobs need 2 hits, eventually 3

[soft crystal]

I know, its effective at it.

[gleaming lodge]

The way you use Mudrock S2 as a laneholder can be replaced by Penance S3 without issues

[gleaming lodge]

Why are you saying it isn't then ?

[dark violet]

doesn't penance need to get kills to regain shields?

sounds like a problem for the lanes I need her to hold

[soft crystal]

Nah the kills for shields is no problem

S3 generates a ton of barrier per use

[dark violet]

let me go take a look

[gleaming lodge]

She can get shields from kills and S3 procs yeah

But again, with her stats she won't take much damage most of the time

[dark violet]

only 1 shield?

[tawny rivet]

Penance s1 for afk?

[gleaming lodge]

What ?

[wary wing]

orian

read penans kit

[soft crystal]

No its barrier

[wary wing]

and then come back

[soft crystal]

More like hp

[wary wing]

squid will wait

[gleaming lodge]

Penance's shield is like a second HP bar

[soft crystal]

Hp thats overhealing

[dark violet]

from the page, it seems like she only gets 1 barrier on deploy, 1 on s3, and then you need kills

unless I missed a module

[wary wing]

how many days have you been playing

[dark violet]

irrelevant

[gleaming lodge]

Why afk ?
You just press S3 whenever it's ready, stop being so lazy, one click every 40s is not going to kill you

[tawny rivet]

But afk ;-;

[wary wing]

it's not irrelevant if you don't know the difference between barrier and shield

[waxen swan]

Yes it will

40 second is long

[dark violet]

shield is better than barrier in my case though

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah that's the whole point ?!
You don't need to press it too often

[waxen swan]

I don't want to press it at all

[gleaming lodge]

If you don't have 40s or attention span go back to elementary school mate, there isn't much I can do for you

[gleaming lodge]

How do you open the game then ?

[wary wing]

that son
is where you are naivete shows

[waxen swan]

I can't i already have a degree

[gleaming lodge]

Voice command ?

[waxen swan]

If i can

[tawny rivet]

I want penance to hold a lane by herself while I focus on the other lane

[gleaming lodge]

Good for you but apparently you missed the fundamentals

[waxen swan]

Attention span is overrated

[dark violet]

I mostly would use mudrock for extreme lane holding against nuking enemies. So penance barriers seem pretty bad since they wouldn't regen and can't block all damage

[gleaming lodge]

It's not the same thing
Shields take one hit to break
Barriers can tank a certain amount of damage

[heady hedge]

what

[dark violet]

I know, but the context is hits for over several thousand dmg

[gleaming lodge]

What's up with this chat today?
Didn't you all not take your schizo pills ?

[heady hedge]

squid

this is normal strat

[tawny rivet]

Just keep stacking barrier
Then she can tank all the dmg 😎

[heady hedge]

wdym

also idk if you want to afknights better off using mud?

[waxen swan]

Schizo pill taste bitter

[dark violet]

genuinely, did I miss something about her barriers? I can't stack them without kills no?

[tawny rivet]

it's ikuyover

[waxen swan]

Who tf are you

[tawny rivet]

I guess you could spam S3

[dark violet]

spam s3?

[gleaming lodge]

Kills or S3 give her barriers
But Penance is still a tank, and she dishes out a lot of damage
Your average Mud S2 afk can be replaced by Penance S3 easily

[heady hedge]

sir you are the same person who doesnt want to click s3 every 40 seconds

[dark violet]

Does she gain 40 SP every 9 seconds?

[tawny rivet]

or s1

[gleaming lodge]

Also
"I am stupid" is not an argument

[waxen swan]

I am smart argument than

[tawny rivet]

S1 can't gain barrier ;-;
It was a very reluctant s3

[dark violet]

I know she can be used somewhat similarly for regular content, but that has never been the question here

I'm already barely needing mud for niche situations

[limpid siren]

[dark violet]

so I'm just trying to figure out whether or not this niche is something penance can handle

[vernal lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaQ6Q2CxLdc

CW-S-4 AH

[limpid siren]

holy shit

AH clear!!!

anyway

back to literally anything else

[gleaming lodge]

We both know that's wrong

[vernal lion]

CM won't be doable because of the challenge that gives debuff for ball

[dark violet]

anyway, without getting a clear answer, it still seems to me that penance barriers can't handle it, so I guess I won't bother with her

[gleaming lodge]

Niche ?
What niche ?
Tanking ? Who needs tanking ?

[lethal dragon]

Then* 🤓

[soft crystal]

But its not afk anymore

[waxen swan]

🤓

[soft crystal]

Hence mud s2>pen s3

[dark violet]

the niche of taking over thousands of damage with few hits and no free kills

[gleaming lodge]

"I am stupid" is not an argument

[limpid siren]

[gleaming lodge]

Clicking once every 40s is not difficult

You don't even need to time S3, just press when it's ready

[dark violet]

I don't know what AFK is, I use flametail s3 as default

[soft crystal]

[limpid siren]

how often do you realistically take a single hit every ~9s for thousands of damage

[dark violet]

rarely, that's my point. The initial use is already niche

so I don't want to invest in both for that reason

[gleaming lodge]

If you're trying to tank CC#4 Colossus then yeah, only Mudrock (skill 3) can do that

[soft crystal]

I dont think you got the tone i was going with

[limpid siren]

isn't the other side of that coin that barrier is, by nature, more generally applicable?

[gleaming lodge]

You do know their main use is not to tank colossus right ?

[gleaming lodge]

Yes

[soft crystal]

Iirc pen has seen some max risk use in cc12

[gleaming lodge]

Mud's shields are useless against small enemies

[soft crystal]

Solo tanking one lane

[limpid siren]

[soft crystal]

Kinda pog

[limpid siren]

hmm

[gleaming lodge]

Yes she did

And guess what ?
They used S3

[vital arrow]

Unbelieavable

[dark violet]

I'm not in need of tanking anyway, mudrock is only for very extreme cases

[soft crystal]

I mean that was kinda obvious

[dark violet]

like the colossus yeah

[soft crystal]

Her other skills are just meme compared to her s3

[vital arrow]

Penance is not used for tanking anyways

[limpid siren]

is she not?

[vital arrow]

Well not like pure meatshield way

[limpid siren]

[dusky grove]

How's her dps
If she stacks

[soft crystal]

Her dps is okay at best if shes just auto attacking with s3

Its the reflect doing its work

[scarlet ledge]

pens lisk cc12

[soft crystal]

Her dps isnt easy to quantify cause it depends on how much is she getting hit

[limpid siren]

wouldn't you just list the reflect number then

[tawny rivet]

Penance vs brawler enemy = beeg dmg

[limpid siren]

isn't it just the same damage but faster

she's still fucking on any mook's day

[soft crystal]

Its weird but i think i saw a vid with warf s2 buffing penance s3

And ending up with 11k

I thought it was additive

[dark violet]

Maybe I don't even need mudrock anymore either at this point

[wary wing]

refia

you talk about the reflect but

you are casually ignoring her 4K atk

[full finch]

+400% ATK moment

[dark violet]

I'll just invest in her for the style points

[soft crystal]

Wait

Its easy mode

[limpid siren]

+atk% is all additive when the source is operators yea

[soft crystal]

Lmao

[limpid siren]

so yea

[soft crystal]

Thats probably why it was 11k

Lmao

[limpid siren]

has to be something like that

[elder flume]

why did i not think of 5 defender feater s1

push 7 each time

[limpid siren]

where are you even stacking 7 enemies in sss

[scarlet ledge]

why not

[soft crystal]

4k atk is high buf its at a 2.5 atk interval. Still ends up with a respectable 1.8k dps on 0 def though which is nice

[elder flume]

anything is possible with specialists

[wary wing]

who cares about DPS when your re one shotting most fodder

[soft crystal]

The question was about dps

[limpid siren]

looking at her own dps is kinda missing the forest for the trees

[soft crystal]

I just delivered how much it is

[wary wing]

and I'm saying DPS is an useless metric

[limpid siren]

no the question was

[gleaming lodge]

4k physical is "ok at best" ?!

[limpid siren]

why are we looking at her own dps

[vital arrow]

Mfw when texalt has better dps vs surtr

[limpid siren]

when it doesn't seem to be the correct metric to weigh by

[vital arrow]

[elder flume]

any buff to block count makes feater more superior than shaw hmm

[soft crystal]

This question

[limpid siren]

stinky zeratul

[soft crystal]

[wary wing]

truly the zeratul moment

[limpid siren]

@dusky grove

[lethal dragon]

Penance is very bonkers in SSS

[vital arrow]

So feater push is tied to her block count

Interesting

[limpid siren]

yea

[scarlet ledge]

well 5 vgs is easy stack for her

[limpid siren]

floors at 1

[elder flume]

shaw is max capped at 2

[lethal dragon]

Bruhhh

[vital arrow]

Ig because she doesnt shoot a projectile

[wary wing]

but you have to press skill every 10 secs
unplayable

[limpid siren]

shaw gets capped?

common 4* L

[lethal dragon]

😱

[vital arrow]

Even S2?

[elder flume]

s2 is 128 targets

[scarlet ledge]

just dont play sss

[vital arrow]

Oh normal stuff

[scarlet ledge]

much better choice

[lethal dragon]

Wtf

SSS pog

You guys sucks

[soft crystal]

Sss is fun

[lethal dragon]

🤝

Based

[dark violet]

SSS is funny with flametail s3

[soft crystal]

Thorns carry sss real

[lethal dragon]

Please don't

[elder flume]

sss is fun if i can just enter any floor instead of wasting my time to get to the floors i want to test things on

[lethal dragon]

Rain moment

Rain how many bugs are left to test

[soft crystal]

Should have made

[elder flume]

idk prob 40

[scarlet ledge]

well it is

[soft crystal]

Spwcialist B into buffing shift

[scarlet ledge]

i use him to carry sss

thorns guard b 5 stack

🤯

[soft crystal]

[scarlet ledge]

thorns awesome

[elder flume]

i can test operator target cap if i have my own phantom maybe

[waxen swan]

Phantom suck now

[elder flume]

still one of the best meatshield and shifter

[waxen swan]

No

Gav exist

[soft crystal]

Phantom still cool

[waxen swan]

Of course his cool there a whole game mode theme around him

[lethal dragon]

Phantom was fun in current CN event

Enemies go flying

[foggy grove]

phantom my beloved
shifting enemy to the blue box

[soft crystal]

I love doing that in is2

[gleaming lodge]

"one of the best"

[waxen swan]

No

[gleaming lodge]

Having two bodies and shift is pretty damn useful

Phantom only sucks because his damage output is very lacking compared to Sexas and Kirito

[glass monolith]

Did i skip "Mudrock vs Penance. Civil war." yet?

[gleaming lodge]

Yes you did

The main argument is "clicking skills is too hard" as expected...

[lethal dragon]

Her main problem is defensive recovery and her dependency over her skill otherwise she needs fodder mobs

Mudrock is more reliable honestly

[gleaming lodge]

Penance does very well in the general case scenario stop dissing her like that

[lethal dragon]

Why calling mudrock better is dissing penance

Moreover I already said she is great in SSS

Because of vanguard stacks

[heady hedge]

i think e2 90 mudrock > e0 1 penance

[split lynx]

Mudrocks better for higher end content, penance for general content

[heady hedge]

generally i find mud and penance.. equal?

[gleaming lodge]

Well Mudrock also does great in SSS with vanguard stacks
It's not like SSS is difficult anyway

[lethal dragon]

You most definitely belong to #arknights

[gleaming lodge]

Yes

[heady hedge]

no

[lethal dragon]

Yeah go there

[heady hedge]

never

[lethal dragon]

Eh

[gleaming lodge]

For high end stuff
Mudrock can tank big enemies
Penance can kill a steady strim of mid mobs alone

[sonic willow]

can penance handle ch11 dogs

[split lynx]

For cc12 didn't penance take the uhh
All the trash mobs on like the right side of blue box for max risk

[lethal dragon]

Ch11 dog gives her faster sp so she is great against him

[glass monolith]

Who cares H11-4 dog reaches god damn box on 25 DP

[sonic willow]

mmmm

[heady hedge]

me when surtr opener:

[lethal dragon]

Me when skadi opener:

[heady hedge]

ok but can skadi handle both lanes at the start

[lethal dragon]

Ok but can surtr tank boss forever

[foggy grove]

actually not

[heady hedge]

yes

[gleaming lodge]

Yeah she held the lane with ursus soldiers, mortar dudes and a couple of casters
That's pretty high end for me

[heady hedge]

my surtr has 100% hp regen /s

[foggy grove]

you can wait till like 34-35 dp

[sonic willow]

get surtr module remove hp drain

[heady hedge]

with mod 6Z

[lethal dragon]

You definitely belongs in #arknights

[gleaming lodge]

You do as well mate with your Skadi takes

[split lynx]

I will quote yii in his latest video
Mud better vs slow aspd hard hitting enemies while penance better vs more trash/mid mobs

[lethal dragon]

Huh

sorry for opening with Skadi

🙇‍♂️

[lethal dragon]

Yeah against strong enemies she gets butchered
Also mud is great against both

[split lynx]

True

[glass monolith]

Me when Skadi + Gladdia opener but second dog killed both:

[elder flume]

against weight 0 perfect phantom shift is double of feater
against weight 1 perfect phantom shift is 80% of feater
not including type variables and renewed shifting formula

[lethal dragon]

Yeah that's why he was fun in lonetrail

MFW -5 weight

[gleaming lodge]

Just don't tell people to get away
You're not the guardian of this chat or something

[lethal dragon]

I am just telling them to not troll

[elder flume]

phantom meta soontm

[lethal dragon]

Totally not copium

[gleaming lodge]

Again that's not your job
And Dest made like two jokes
Wow such a troll !

[lethal dragon]

Bro

[heady hedge]

i mean

[glass monolith]

I don't care Lunacub attack is shit there is always something to spawn kill

[lethal dragon]

She is Rosa branch, right?

[heady hedge]

shes.. deadeye iirc?

[lethal dragon]

Oh

I only remember when she was released RMB made a YouTube post about her bugs

[heady hedge]

so smth like fart

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002227534622117918.png?quality=lossless

[glass monolith]

I might be one to check them on global

[lethal dragon]

Caster killer

[lethal dragon]

Lol

There was a long list of them

[glass monolith]

S2 don't refresh camo while in camo
Camo drops for moment after S2 and before talent kick in allowing her to be nuked
what else?

[foggy grove]

just keep killing

[elder flume]

Tldr dont use skill

[heady hedge]

will be fixed, trust

we just dont know when

(on en)

[lethal dragon]

Dw rain will check out every bug

[elder flume]

Imagine

I might not even have lunacub

[sly drift]

This is correct item for 3rd ending right?

[somber falcon]

Yes

• Actor relic from 3rd floor boss and sudden realization encounter

[glass monolith]

Yes, this. Then from floor 3 boss take new relic option. Then get scammed and fail to get final encounter

[heady hedge]

thats the 1st item for 3rd ending
At the floor 3, when you beat boss theres a relic option the last one you have to pick

at floor 5, theres antoher encounter

for another relic, i think

that changes it to end3

[sly drift]

[bold drift]

Man, Mlynar+Spalter too good at this stage.

[eager gate]

Showerthought: HG should introduce an enemy that reflects 50% or more of damage done to make people use their own breins more and to piss off Mlynar/Chen/insert your own balans players

[foggy grove]

insert sexas

what's that

[cosmic dagger]

That's the is3 spiked chest

Its really annoying sometimes since you can't even ignore it

In some tight maps

[lethal dragon]

Lol I used spalter for bottom lane

[glass monolith]

Thorns attack thorn chest and dies

[gleaming lodge]

Least overkill setup

[lone shell]

does texalter,ling,surtr,skalter pretty much clears most content ?

[elder flume]

maybe

try it

[scarlet ledge]

ling

🤯

skalter

[turbid badge]

most sure

[lone shell]

i only have ling and surtr rn :(((.will target texalter.not sure i would get skadi

[livid delta]

What clears does skalter enable

[glass monolith]

CC8 Ling + Skalter R18W1

[lethal dragon]

H10-3 ling solo ig?

[sonic willow]

skalter is cool qol slapping 100 extra levels worth of atk and def on top of everybody

[lethal dragon]

[glass monolith]

Who need your limited stuff, when i have my shoperatored Sora

(Shoperator move made by collection enjoyer, do not repeat )

[latent anvil]

Skalter enables low op clears

Her range is better than aoe medic for it I think

[livid delta]

How does Heidi compare to skalter anyway

I know skalt has atk + def

[latent anvil]

Heidi's totally better

[livid delta]

And Heidi is one or the other

But what's the raw stat boost in atk/def

[livid delta]

Oh I guess it's just passive +6%/+6%

Heidi s1m3 is closer to Skalter s3m3 minus the true damage

[cosmic dagger]

And this guy calls me a nerd

[limpid siren]

yeah the talent is funny

you are a nerd

[livid delta]

I mean for a welfare she's pretty poggies

[limpid siren]

she's very good at getting weird squads across the finish line

both skills cycle well, and provide meaningful stat boosts to strategies that need just a little bit more help

[livid delta]

Her s2 lines up with Eunectes s2

[tidal sedge]

Hmm. Krooster

Huh. Her s2 aligns very nicely with Stainless s1

[livid delta]

Referencing back to the camo/invis topic from before

Apparently krooster survives that is3 map

That firewatch died to

It was like a f1 emergency with the OD enemies

[cosmic dagger]

That's f2

[livid delta]

Oh

Ye that one

[cosmic dagger]

Oop

R word is banned

[limpid siren]

kroos best 5* marksman fr?

[cosmic dagger]

Anyhow it's got the altar in the center

[cosmic dagger]

I heard blue poison is stronger

[glass monolith]

[livid delta]

Been playing around with highmore + podenco/mayer opening

So far it's been working ok

[cosmic dagger]

It's always a strange thought experiment when people tell me either highmore or pluma is good for is3

When even gavial is slowly falling out of favor

[livid delta]

Mayer covers hover + invis maps for the first couple floors and podenco actually handles weird hover map

[glass monolith]

Can your blue poison do this?

[cosmic dagger]

The strict downgrades should also be valued pretty poorly

[livid delta]

Gavial costs 7

[cosmic dagger]

Relic squad enjoyer based

This is in context of pre expansion though

[livid delta]

Mayer also scales to relic where scene and deepcolor doesn't

Oh then idk

[cosmic dagger]

Where en doesn't get the funny bladedance

[livid delta]

I've been trying to climb to d15 with my scuffed box

[cosmic dagger]

I reckon its not so bad with relic squad

Especially muelsyse doing the funny

[livid delta]

Relic squad + muel makes climbing a lot easier

[limpid siren]

bp actually does clear top lane

so uh

yes

[glass monolith]

...

She is less cute

and not damaged by completely relatable real life experience PTSD

[soft crystal]

Bp is cute

[gleaming anvil]

Can someone lend me a Rope Elite 2 with second skill? I need it for 7-16, Cliffheart doesn't work :(

[livid delta]

Actually now I'm wondering if I should s2m3 mayer for the 2s stun

[scarlet ledge]

pro

[livid delta]

I'll put her on the list

I think theres value in having s2m3 mod1 mayer as a toolbox build

[cosmic dagger]

Don't think it matters for is3 whatsoever

sl7 cycle is more than enough for all stages

[limpid siren]

Mayer is based though

[fresh copper]

M3 S1

[livid delta]

I'm just imagining:

• Free promo
• Reduced deployment count task
• Relic squad rng scaling
• Potential specialist ban in the future with the massive power creep of specialists as a class

So either I build mayer or finish doing s1m3 Andreana just cause I have nothing better to do

[cosmic dagger]

Relic squad scaling actually implies krooster is better

Reduced deploy slots also works against mayer

There's a reason mayer got pushed out of the meta with texas

[livid delta]

Yeah that's great but I'm not gonna open with krooster every run

Other people can open with krooster

And I've never been a meta player anyway

Maybe like 3 years ago

[limpid siren]

that new starter relic screams lazy design to me

[glass monolith]

Screw the relics, RNG die roll to RIP your run

[livid delta]

It's meant for old players to have a new toy and new players to catch up on levels before is4 comes out

[scarlet ledge]

die squad

just keep rolling

[limpid siren]

i don't think it's a bad thing to have included

[glass monolith]

Rolls nat 1 twice

[limpid siren]

and it's nice that it's always opt-in

[livid delta]

On that note 10 hope for an air stun is risky when mayer pops off at 4

So far my options are krooster, texas, mayer, Kal, Gnosis, may (lol)

Oh and U- official

[orchid marlin]

any tips for JT8-3? my whole team dies to her raid wide transition phase with double healer. Got a max potential tsukinogi, was thinking about upgrading to E2 to help.

[sonic willow]

having NG or Ptilopsis helps a lot

[orchid marlin]

Ptilophsis is in there pumping S2

[latent anvil]

tsukinogi

are you borrowing?

[orchid marlin]

tsukinogi simp

I borrow pretty much every fight

[latent anvil]

then borrow ng and use skill early so that its available for both fireball phases

[full finch]

there's a few options
easiest pick is to borrow NG

[orchid marlin]

Who is NG 😄 i'm a newbie

[full finch]

nightingale

6⭐ blonde sarkaz medic

[orchid marlin]

Ah ok i'll give that a try

[full finch]

you'll want her S3, "Sanctuary"

[orchid marlin]

Reason for tsukinogi was because I was trying to pull Saga and got 5 tsuki's instead 🙂

[livid delta]

Based

[tidal sedge]

What's this starter relic stuff

[cosmic dagger]

it's a scaling bladedance that affects atk/def instead of atk/hp

[gentle finch]

squad in is3

[cosmic dagger]

+20% before and after each combat

[latent anvil]

can fia double karlan uptime while keeping prostonkso up 100%

[tidal sedge]

What on earth

[cosmic dagger]

the squad itself gets increased relic drop rate and gets to choose quest reward twice

[tidal sedge]

That sounds pretty nuts

[cosmic dagger]

it is very nuts

[gentle finch]

damn

[cosmic dagger]

me when

[gentle finch]

[latent anvil]

8550 defense

[full finch]

when the

the horn is stronk

[gentle finch]

strong wife

binary HP

[full finch]

25 HP?

don't remember my binary very well

[latent anvil]

21

[full finch]

oh ye

21

[cosmic dagger]

16+4+1

[full finch]

25 would be 11001

[gentle finch]

I don't even remember how to work with binary numbers

[raw quail]

Can Exu do that? I'm kinda stuck on that stage

[sonic willow]

binary is only for computer peeps

[tidal sedge]

What is the new SSS set doing, hmm.

[gleaming lodge]

the new SSS tower is really easy don't worry

you can simply melee your map out of (almost) every map

[tidal sedge]

I think I'll do a Ros focused setup for fun.

Straightforward strats feel a bit boring to me atm

[glass monolith]

Melee bro was only thing to cause my danger, and only because i got world's worst stacks

... Did game just gave me 9 e2 caster chips in row?

[gleaming lodge]

melee bro is tanked easy

in fact even the final boss can be tanked easily

[scarlet ledge]

damn

my sss crashed

at f5

[latent anvil]

[scarlet ledge]

wgz

[latent anvil]

yes leite

[scarlet ledge]

do my sss onegai

i cant deal with this crash

[latent anvil]

i can actually do it if you want

[scarlet ledge]

pog

[latent anvil]

i cannot tell if you are joking

[scarlet ledge]

sss crashing sometimes is fucking annoying

[latent anvil]

yes, same with is2 crash

very cope

[scarlet ledge]

is2 dont crash for me

its just bs sss

[latent anvil]

not even od-ex-8 crash but is2 crash with chalice

[scarlet ledge]

[latent anvil]

[fresh copper]

SSS hates a lot of devices

[scarlet ledge]

hi wish

[tidal sedge]

Oh. Right.

I forgot Ros isn't so good vs these guys

[latent anvil]

i dont like that map

it suck

[signal granite]

So this is melee core squad look like

[turbid badge]

me too

[scarlet ledge]

kek

[latent anvil]

My first run

I tried to cope with only two device cuz I leaked a boss

[livid delta]

GG + Scene combo was pretty nice

[sly drift]

Someone have m3s2 magallan? I want to try how good or bad it is.

[gentle finch]

mizuki slow + gg was nice here

[livid delta]

Be the change you wish to see in the world

[lucid pebble]

whats a good op to borrow for 5-7 CM?

[latent anvil]

Mountain mlynar maybe

[lucid pebble]

ill try mlynar

mlynar wasnt fast enough

[gentle finch]

idr 5-7

[latent anvil]

Mountain and someone behind+kroos clears top easy

[south bone]

Can anyone tell me the best tactical equipment for each class in sss?

[latent anvil]

This probably what most people take

Or caster b

[south bone]

I thought people picked supporter B and Guard B, but idk

[latent anvil]

Supporter b usable, guard b preference, shouldn't really matter imo

Some people just take A on all

[median swan]

how do u even survive JT8-3 Talulah's fucking tsunami

[gentle finch]

Nightingale

[turbid badge]

Fast food employees lightning jail

wtf auto correct

fast redeploys or nightinggale

[gentle finch]

3 op with abyssals

[south bone]

Fast food employees

[lucid pebble]

i did it with SA

[orchid marlin]

I just beat it on practice mode after a bunch of attempts. I grabbed support Nightingale with Ptilopsis and Shining. I staggered my ranged otherwise they will get one shot if both get tagged. Have some block or use her cage for the fireballs coming at NG or she could still die in the firestorm. Pop NG and Ptilopsis during firestorm and repeat. I got super lucky and a lot of things had to go perfect so hopefully I can get it for reals now.

[median swan]

[gentle finch]

[median swan]

dont ask why im letting Saga fight her alone

[latent anvil]

could you possibly use ur e2 amiya on guard

that you had to level

[orchid marlin]

that looks like food :3

Amiya is just great for bosses, that skill is too awesome

[turbid badge]

arts dodge stonks

• ng s3 didge

[latent anvil]

[latent anvil]

oops that image totally isnt in cm huh anyways gj

[livid delta]

I used Quartz / Matoimaru

They make good meatshields

[turbid badge]

fat hp soakers

[livid delta]

Matoi stalled boss + tanked fireballs
Truly underrated 4* (don't build her)

[latent anvil]

i prefer conviction

[livid delta]

Does conviction even have hp

[latent anvil]

hes a dreadnought i think so ya

[turbid badge]

wow u know convictions gender

Dalao

[livid delta]

3,705 hp

[latent anvil]

yes my maxed conviction has 3705, she is so op

[turbid badge]

matoi talent Op

make her 🍖

[tidal sedge]

Lurker#7756

[livid delta]

Quartz with the casual 6,247.88 hp

[tidal sedge]

No module upgrades though

[latent anvil]

imagine being able to build new ops

i am so broke on lmd

[livid delta]

Matoimaru with the 6,430.8 hp first life + 2,572.32 after revive

[turbid badge]

So true

[latent anvil]

i didnt even know matoi could revive

[turbid badge]

wtf

forgot about mod

[livid delta]

Heals 50% hp every 20 seconds too

Maybe I should be using her more

[turbid badge]

after i e2 these alters i will be comfy just need to wait a few days for base to generate lmd

[latent anvil]

sounds so op, i might have to build her

[turbid badge]

morgans a dredknought right

[latent anvil]

really wondering where all my lmd goes, i always make good investments

[turbid badge]

her s2 looks fun but she sacrifices so much hp fir a barrier that decays in 6 secs

Fast redeploy dredknoguht gaming again

[full finch]

I mean

It's a lot of HP

and she deals a lot of damage

[median swan]

i killed her

[full finch]

wtf

[storm current]

she does around 2.8k dph with s2 btw

[median swan]

all the healers nobody dying

[livid delta]

sasuga dalao

[full finch]

more like 3.5

[gentle finch]

a lotta HP

you say

[full finch]

morgan hits very hard

[gentle finch]

s k a d i

ok i will leave now

[livid delta]

Hoping they release more glasgowknights ops

[gentle finch]

coping for good 6* Minos op

[livid delta]

And also brawler module prayge

[turbid badge]

brawl

[storm current]

oh ye not sure how did i get 2.8k

[full finch]

I got 3750

[storm current]

oh wait

i forgot module effect

[full finch]

base ATK + trust + module stats
talent +62%
skill 190%
module 115%

[storm current]

talent is +60% at mod3

[full finch]

3712

[median swan]

2nd OP from Sami when?

[gentle finch]

[turbid badge]

rral

[gentle finch]

man

[turbid badge]

waow its nice

meed more glasglow

[gentle finch]

I'm gonna look at 5* with the best base skills

[turbid badge]

[turbid badge]

waifu

[gentle finch]

might as well build those first for my

5* only team

[full finch]

morgan being the only glasgow unit that isn't bad

[livid delta]

Just realized a Glasgow module that heals would be pretty bad for Morgan

[gentle finch]

siege isn't bad!

I mean

well

[full finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588958885150721/1083949638790418523/Siege_do_flip.gif

surely she must be good

[latent anvil]

wow that is so good

[full finch]

[gentle finch]

gif not loading

ok it dod

[livid delta]

Indra and Dagda can already heal

[full finch]

dagda only heals in ch11

[livid delta]

Hmm

[gentle finch]

i thought was the mega buffed siege one shotting that WR mob

[livid delta]

I'm probably gonna use the other module for Siege

That makes her a massive stat stick

[full finch]

"massive" stat stick

stat branch

[livid delta]

ur mom

[full finch]

[latent anvil]

[gentle finch]

waai fu, mayer, highmore and synergy ops for her,

how does highmore work with Mizuki again

[full finch]

she doesn't

[turbid badge]

it should

or its dorothy im thinking of

[livid delta]

I thought it was highmore + dorothy + mizuki

[full finch]

what kinda synergy is this anyway

[livid delta]

I don't have the sheet open

[turbid badge]

its like the one cuz she benfits from all standarization

[latent anvil]

its a base combo

[full finch]

oh

oh

wtf

[turbid badge]

mfw

[full finch]

why are you talking base in #strategy

go to #r-i-i-c

[surreal star]

wait why is combo known as mizuki highmore doro

[gentle finch]

no flametail

[surreal star]

when wildmane is better than doro

[gentle finch]

im dead

[livid delta]

Need flametail + jk

[turbid badge]

eww i need jk

[livid delta]

Jk used to be meta when you used pudding and eunectes

[surreal star]

doesn't everyone have jk

[storm current]

nah

[livid delta]

Now proviso exists

[latent anvil]

ohhhh, i should level pinus sylvestri team

[storm current]

more like

[latent anvil]

wait maybe i shouldnt

[livid delta]

Also Muelsyse is 25% pp

[storm current]

jk occupying in PP = less overall efficiency

[surreal star]

[storm current]

that is

assuming you are using PP for squad combo for like

automation

[livid delta]

I think people are running dead lancet + greyyter
or staggering both greyy e0 + muelsyse/e2 gg

[latent anvil]

how many smiles do most people put with mlynar

[livid delta]

1 or 0

[latent anvil]

[storm current]

im running 3

because i dont have flametail gnosis and so on for CC

[turbid badge]

oh silencer base skill looks nice

[latent anvil]

whos the last? amiya/tp?

[storm current]

ye

[latent anvil]

oh

but thats kinda just like running r6 with amiya

[storm current]

well no

mlynar reduce morale consumption further

[gentle finch]

I have no cc combos to work with sadly

[turbid badge]

dorothy + silence duo wowa

[latent anvil]

well you buff everything ig, but that dont sound too appealing to me

sock what are you putting with ur mlynar then

[ancient hearth]

doesn't mayer have a +30% factory skill at e2?

[livid delta]

Amiya + Kal + Mlynar + Ling + Saileach

[latent anvil]

oh

[livid delta]

Eventually it's gonna be Yato + Noir + Mlynar + filler + filler

[ancient hearth]

mlynar is going to be in the control center 24/7 once I finally get fiametta

[livid delta]

I'm just pulling chungus

[latent anvil]

what about prostonkso? you do both?

[livid delta]

To sub mlynar

[gentle finch]

mayer doesn't count as Rhine technology

[storm current]

@ancient hearth mayer is 30% standard, not rhine tech so doesnt work with dorothy afaik

[turbid badge]

yea

[ancient hearth]

my current control center is Kal + Mlynar + Amiya/Swire/Paprika + 2 ops for Mlynar

[ancient hearth]

rip

[latent anvil]

my fia is true permadead from reviving jaye silverash cliffheart and proviso 💀

[ancient hearth]

suffering is her name

[storm current]

Rhine tech is ptilo astgene silence

[livid delta]

No shamare + Tequila sadge

[gentle finch]

wait is mayer her own thing or standardization

[ancient hearth]

i looked, it's meebo manufacturing

[gentle finch]

sad

waaifu more worth i guess

[ancient hearth]

eh, I might E2 silence eventually

[latent anvil]

what is yato uptime in cc

how many hour

[gentle finch]

that's pain

[latent anvil]

yes no shamare tequila

[gentle finch]

I don't have the dedication to run jaye so my only tp combo is 2 +90% teams, shamare team and Heidi Exu 30%

[ancient hearth]

shamare tequila and kafka printing me money

[turbid badge]

waow

[limpid siren]

i think she'll be about par for the course tbh

[gentle finch]

@limpid siren heavyrain or bison

if you could only use one

also leonhardt or astgenne

[limpid siren]

hmm

probably bison and astgenne

but each has their merits

[gentle finch]

I see

Just determining build priority for a "fit all" squad

I'll obviously build all my 5* one day but building the most widely applicable ones first would be for the best

[limpid siren]

i'm still only halfway

but i've taken a bunch of breaks

[gentle finch]

understandable

some I may not even E2

like ncd

[limpid siren]

yeah not everyone is worth it

[gentle finch]

anyways, is this fine

[limpid siren]

some just for fun

[gentle finch]

ncd more so for base reasons

lmao

[limpid siren]

sure that looks good

[gentle finch]

Amiya can be swapped for peeps like lappland and pluma

[limpid siren]

covers the fundamentals nicely

[gentle finch]

👌

[turbid badge]

yea thats nice

[gentle finch]

thanks for giving me your opinions these past few days

appreciate it

[turbid badge]

these are some of mine im raising

[gentle finch]

tsukinogi skin

🛐

[limpid siren]

it's no trouble

[gentle finch]

Sir Iggy

[limpid siren]

[orchid marlin]

wait thats maid tsukinogi

I ACTUALLY need that

[turbid badge]

and maid kaze

[gentle finch]

it's a shame I've got no cantabile

[orchid marlin]

Wait I got it xD this operator needs buff 🥹

[gentle finch]

don't worry her module will be broken !

[orchid marlin]

I'm debating going E2, I no longer need it since I can do JT8-3

With NG

Her E2 is like expensivvvveee

[fresh copper]

Dew it

[orchid marlin]

Done, loyalty to the waifu even unto destruction

[turbid badge]

she uses red kohl come on

[proud drift]

Don’t think it’s gonna be worth it tbh

You can fia mlynar but

What about the other 4 smileys

[scarlet ledge]

@proud drift so pro so pro

[orchid marlin]

but I rolled pax potency; I think this game is trying to tell me something

[scarlet ledge]

oof

[orchid marlin]

praying for module buff 🙏🏻 higher threshold for talent would do wonders for my comp or if I had Skadii @_@

[latent monolith]

just use silence alter

[turbid badge]

too bad i cant use her w wind chimes cuz she has built in dr

sanc*

[latent monolith]

Silence is 10% sanctuary at base scaling to 24% below 30% HP (22% at 40% HP)
Tsukinogi max pot is 20% fixed only if less than 40%

[ancient hearth]

silence alter having immortality kinda makes any boost to tsuk's sanctuary a moot point

[lethal dragon]

Best way to use silence is with skalter s1

[latent monolith]

Unless you specifically want immortality twice silence S2 is probably better

[ancient hearth]

I wanna see how far taht dumb combo can go, going to see if it can single handedly tank taluhah fireballs on H8-4

[fresh copper]

S2 is way better for Silence Alter actually

S3 in most cases is pretty situational

[scarlet ledge]

but s3 immortslity like surtr it ssoooooo oPopoOPOOoPP

[turbid badge]

what that that do again

hi wish

[ancient hearth]

skalter max hp up and she takes 50% of the damage that allies in range would take instead of them

healing up too

basically everybody in her range turns into one massive hp pool

[lethal dragon]

And silence gives skalter hp lock

[turbid badge]

ah ic

[lethal dragon]

Also sanctuary to everyone

Here's the showcase
https://youtu.be/jnb6QBgX6E4

[ancient hearth]

and her healing effect increases massively since everybody is effectively in a shared hp pool

[scarlet ledge]

@lethal dragon https://youtu.be/udYt5IIVtps

truly peak gaming

[latent monolith]

shortknights?

[turbid badge]

lol

under blah feet