r-i-i-c

[fluid pollen]

[silent nova]

nasti save me nasti

hold on only 101%

nvm

also dog

[pallid isle]

?

[pale yoke]

the setup so old geologist mistaken it for a fossil

[inner ocean]

oh yeah Nasti is something i would've considered for improvements. But it's not major enough for me to make it a must-pull

[pallid isle]

nasti improves the sub combo

[inner ocean]

yeah

[pallid isle]

makes it way easier to stagger as well

which i mean isn't that extremely hard for me now but

anything that helps is nice

[silent nova]

its ok my goat team with 142% gold will save me

[pale yoke]

its all these small improvement overtime that make us better than others non riic doc remember that

we are superior

[silent nova]

i gotta redo ts

patching mr.nothing on top of this old rotation has made this dog

[pale yoke]

||that's a satire taking jab on how small of an improvement we get each time if someone didn't get it||

[silent nova]

🥹 we're abck in 2023

[fluid pollen]

[pallid isle]

been doing so many masteries i haven't been able to use chung very much last couple days

[fluid pollen]

Gavial…..

How old

[silent nova]

i think doingi a mastery right now ruins my prod

i lose two goon spots for sui

[fluid pollen]

Masteries ruin my RR.

But RR ruins itself

So like

[pallid isle]

true i mean yeah

[pale yoke]

mastery cost me 5% tp

but we live with that

[wind otter]

nvidia is rumored to be reintroducing 30 series cards because of RAM and AI, so this seems to be a general thing

[silent nova]

cursing logos/irene to minimize tp downtime

[silent nova]

are they actually

aren't they just out of ram in general

i got 64gb ddr5 that i'm leaving to my heirs

[pale yoke]

i m6 both haruka and hoshi2 already at minimum time, so yea

back to full operation

[fluid pollen]

[pallid isle]

i think my favorite mistake is upgrading another skill after having irene/logos in then i have to ditch them anyway

[pale yoke]

i even cursed away the 55min between logos and suzuran for haruka

[pallid isle]

since its not 5 hours anymore for level 1 skill

[pale yoke]

lol

[silent nova]

what's m1 time again

6 hours right

[pallid isle]

so when it gets cut in half

[silent nova]

does irene half guard m2 or does the +30% put it below 5 hrs

oh it does put it below 5 hours lol

[pale yoke]

yea less than half for lv1 is rip

[wind otter]

It's a rumor so far

https://youtu.be/5rXQr0fQbn8?t=238

[fluid pollen]

Can’t do any funny strats .

[silent nova]

fuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wind otter]

3:58

[silent nova]

i guess i'll get a framework desktop

[pallid isle]

i mean i suppose i really should just use dusk shu in rr

like

[pale yoke]

gabecube is the future

[pallid isle]

[silent nova]

gabecube might be dog prices

im predicting like 700 for the high end model

which is maybe too much i think

[wind otter]

I bought 32 gbs at 80 bucks, two months later they were at $350 in the same store at amazon

[pale yoke]

i did considered this but then im like...ranped up irene and caper working on clue...

ill cope with -5% on tp because proviso can tank it

making surplus on lmd anyway

[pallid isle]

idt i understand what your doing

[silent nova]

no bro -5% on prov is disastrous cuz it translates to like -9% bro

[pallid isle]

i understand how you can do -5

[silent nova]

account dmg

[pallid isle]

but not really sure what there doing

like there still using irene so i am confused

[pale yoke]

oh sorry i meant ines

[wind otter]

[pale yoke]

i - i got me in the brain

[pallid isle]

oh yeah this makes sense also

that also is something i have done in the past

its not that bad

[pale yoke]

switching between conversation bringing irene from tr to rr

[pallid isle]

hidden yostar code that alloows irene to somehow transfer the ramp to clues and cut the clue time in half

[pale yoke]

is this insider info i see? ill go tell it to other ak channel and in #help

verified info right there

[wind otter]

the schedule is trash, fuck it, the cc squad

[pallid isle]

true

[pale yoke]

what is sleep amirite?

okay need to rest well on 22nd so no more eepy after that

whenfield + cc + ex

[wind otter]

sleep is what prevents you from putting Irene in RR

[pale yoke]

omg we also have ||highguard during CC phase 2||

[pallid isle]

hes already found out

hes known forever

[wind otter]

we'll have to drop AK at this point

CC on the 23rd feels so passive-agreesive from Yostar, likely for not getting publishing rights to Endfield on global

[silent nova]

wait LOL they removed ines from jo

[pallid isle]

what was the original line up supposed to be

[silent nova]

nymph blaze alt ines enc

[pallid isle]

bruh

actually cooking us

[desert quail]

The odds of me getting a new op from the JO banner rose to 75%

[rigid plume]

Me in Stronghold Protocol:

[wind otter]

CC during event also means less dead weeks for @orchid bane to farm rocc

[orchid bane]

[wind otter]

[orchid bane]

How could they do this ?

The point of opening all supply stages in CC is for everyone free farm

Why they have to give us that in the middle of store farming event ???

[wind otter]

"Remember when you made fun of us for Path of Life text accident? Who's laughing now huh? Punks" - Yostar, 2026

[orchid bane]

I believe they said that

[summer kernel]

im pretty sure as long as the CN gap is conserved, it's the same lol

[orchid bane]

[summer kernel]

i just got thornalter, not even sure i want to raise him for the +whatever for bryo

[fluid pollen]

+ 6% Bryo fac.

[summer kernel]

ugh, the more we raise, the more complicated the rotations

[fluid pollen]

Thorns alt is a 5 tp enjoyer just like pure.

Just worse

[orchid bane]

Lemme guess. Quiubai ?

[fluid pollen]

but JO only gives you the op you already have.

[pale yoke]

that's a factoid

[orchid bane]

Yea I don't have ente nymph and necrass

But I don't feel like upgrading a caster or guard

Oh even quiubai is guard

[fluid pollen]

That’s not a factoid.

Y’know what is?

that you can stack + 2s in UNO.

And draw infinitely.

[crimson perch]

Guys, how do you like my base? || ||

[pale yoke]

uno official just don't know how the game is played

don't listen to them

[pallid isle]

333 is the HG standard therefore hes on the right track

[fluid pollen]

Somehow his 333 is even uglier than HG’s standard

[astral tiger]

that's clearly a 1233

[fluid pollen]

Empty = 1?

[astral tiger]

yes

[fluid pollen]

[astral tiger]

[fluid pollen]

Is nothing really anything

[astral tiger]

it's not truly nothing

otherwise it wouldn't be there

rn it's.... something

[fluid pollen]

This is #r-i-i-c

If it provides no prod

It’s nothing

And max right is less than nothing

[astral tiger]

it's uhhh potential prod

[fluid pollen]

Have learnt that potential just means cope if not implemented.

[astral tiger]

can't argue with that

[inner ocean]

3 Shift Eun with 1 less Alter in Krooster's shift survived

with 2 hrs remaining

That's confirmed. I'm gonna be using Hoshitter + Swire + Vigil over the old Ya2 + Noir2 + TRC

[normal dagger]

Is there a list of ops that are similar to Jaye

Gets debuff at E1+

[pale yoke]

arguably Ray at E2? couldn't think of anyone else

[summer kernel]

theres a bunch of ops that gain new nonmeta skills then crowd your menu when swapping if you consider that a debuff

[jaunty notch]

Yeah i regret e2-ing fuze

[summer kernel]

does cn or jp have their own calculators/base combo encyclopedias? i know global is in the stone ages in terms of "tools", but i couldnt find any discussions on sites like nga for resources like all our google sheets

[fluid pollen]

Not base but there’s Kafka.

[summer kernel]

the one time e0 kafka was relevant was 4yrs ago CC, no?

[fluid pollen]

It’s apparently relevant in IS5 lamp runs.

Where soul escort Yato Kafka is the most consistent.

But surely playing flinger is just more convenient and brainless

[wind otter]

there are safer ways to remove a tooth

[fluid pollen]

But no fun

[wind otter]

[summer kernel]

from my understanding, the use of maa in CN has stunted further development in making new shit. i guess no one cares about rotations if you can just perma curse and rotate ops in dorms nonstop
https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=40452476&page=2

[viral anchor]

i gotta find some good operator combos for my base but i dont have alot of them mannn

plus my base is under-leveled by a lot

[inner ocean]

It's nice that I got another dorm set that's about food and also has a good "outside view" background

only 1 more

oh wait

i am seeing another set about it but it looks more like a dining room with prepared food instead of selling food so it doesn't count.

[queen flicker]

do you think i can fit eunectes in my set up? i'm doing something similar to you i think. hoshi+swire+delphine(3 shifts) + alters. i want to add automation. so do you think i can do that + eunectes and have her and delphine survive 3 shifts?

[inner ocean]

that only counts up to 2 alters. Does this include anyone that lowers MD in CC by the amt of alters?

actually, that's the only thing i wanna ask

because WP CY combo doesn't do jackshit to CC MD

[queen flicker]

• hoshi / swire / delphine / x 2 alters
• hoshi / swire / delphine / eunectes / x1 alter
• hoshi / swire / delphine / eunectes / x1 alter
• amiya / mon3tr / eunectes / x2 alters

somehting like this maybe?

[jaunty notch]

Don’t discuss this in official servers. Read the tos

[inner ocean]

3 alters

looks good

in the end

try it out if it actually works

[queen flicker]

didn't do the calc but i think they should survive. also maybe i can use hoshi and swire for an extra shift too

[inner ocean]

we don't exactly have 1:1 in regards to combos or even layouts sometimes

the one with Eun has only 2 alters

so you really gotta just try it out

[queen flicker]

well i can't really test it for now, i'm planning ahead for when snegurochka arrives lol

i don't even have automation yet but i see theres a kernel locating soon with weedy on it. i'm only missing her and i can do automation

so many new workers for me. bibeak and bryophyta soon too

[fluid pollen]

yo 1984

[queen flicker]

well, i didn't know kernel locating was about to happen
that means i can grab weedy and do automation team and use bubble as sub team

[meager meadow]

Lmfao

[inner ocean]

Feels good to have all 5 factory increase by .01

my AH EXP squad outputting 1.18

[viral anchor]

how do i check the production rate of my facility again

[inner ocean]

click it

the grey bar. anywhere on the grey bar that's not a button

[viral anchor]

yyyyeah hold on

well this just sucks

[inner ocean]

i mean

looking at your ops

yeah you're at the starting line ngl

[oak goblet]

what is better, jaye e0 team or jaye e1 team?

[frank cipher]

12h average same? collect faster e0 higher, vice versa

[wraith tinsel]

does this skill keep its progress in work time if you switch to another operator with the same exact skill like Bibeak and Paprika? or if it's the same effect but with a different name like Kafka or Diamante?

[frank cipher]

same skill reset when swap

[wraith tinsel]

okty

[queen flicker]

speaking of ramps skills, for example bubble vulcan ceobe team. would ceobe lose the ramp if i move the whole team to another fac but keeping their positions?

[crude badge]

People always say jaye e0 is better.

Better not make jaye e1 if you can help it

Lappy alter makes it easier to ignore jaye

[oak goblet]

Oh ok tysm

[crude badge]

No storage increase🥀

[oak goblet]

I dont have mr nothing team for proviso neither any ops for single lvl2 tp beside quartz, should i use lvl2 tp or lvl3 tp?

[wraith tinsel]

is this decent for 243 btw? I don't have max WP team limited's

[wraith tinsel]

I think most people still say Proviso lvl 2 tp is best but I do Siege + Morgan + Proviso on level 3 cause max right base

[oak goblet]

But i dont have any team tho, what ur thoughts?

[crude badge]

I mean, if you're using 252, you won't have a choice, you'll be forced to use a level 2 trading post.
But if you're using 243, then level 3 trading post is marginally better than level 2 trading post.

[oak goblet]

I currently use 2 lvl3 tp, 2 lvl 2 fac n 3 lvl 3 fac

[crude badge]

Nice, downgrade one of the tp to level 2 and make one of the level 2 factory to level 3.

[crude badge]

Your base is pretty much perfect, you didn't fall for the new player trap by upgraded a (non downgradable) building.

[normal dagger]

I saw a short video on needing to keep Amiya or swire in cc the entire time
Why is that

[oak goblet]

Well my right side is 3313 cuz i did the free texas quest xd, so do u have any recommand for lvl2tp proviso i only have quartz atm

[astral tiger]

7% prod boost to tp

[normal dagger]

Can factory (lvl3)with 3 workers be insta rotated (staggered rotation) using the 3 preset slots they provide in base..
I'm able to do it with lvl 2 workers but couldn't think one with lvl 3

[normal dagger]

Nvrmnd I'll try one with 3 factory workers + 2 filler ops

[silent nova]

No you need 4 presets

[normal dagger]

The one I saw (TP sample) is
Fang Yato Matoimaru
Adnach Deepcolor Matoim
Fang Yato adnac
In 12h shifts, I could do smth similar for 5 factories..

In the rotate base (5k subs special) video by peterYR

[queen flicker]

so i just realized greyy alter only last for 2 shifts without external help

how do you manage automation team?

like lets say i do this

but then if i want to reuse that sub team in another fac

it wont align

i mean, one fac is doing 2 main shifts 1 sub, the other 3 main shifts 1 sub. eventually the sub shift will happen at the same time

[normal dagger]

Is this related to the shift thing I mentioned or is it a different situation
I don't have a strong 5★/6★ roster so I'm starting with the basic low rarity ones

[queen flicker]

no sorry it's not related to what you said

[queen flicker]

basically this

[queen flicker]

for lvl 3 you would need 4 presets or add a fifth operator
a b c
a b d
c d e

[normal dagger]

Yea I'm adding a 5th one to easy switch

[normal dagger]

Do you want to add a backup low perf team instead at the final row

[queen flicker]

maybe. or like do 3 shifts with automation and one of them without greyy alter

[normal dagger]

It looked similar to my issue, but in teams of 3

Mine is solo of 3

[queen flicker]

so i guess either this? but automation without greyy alter in 252 is like 90% i believe.

or this

[normal dagger]

I see there's a dead lancet strat instead of grey, but eunectes mus be in cc

[queen flicker]

yeah thats for when snegurochka arrives

[desert quail]

Nymph actually

[orchid bane]

[desert quail]

I wanted to graduate from being a smoothbrain by pulling a staller baller op

(It didn’t happen lol)

[silent nova]

qb and brain is a contradiction

part of the logos arts tri ofor a reason

[desert quail]

Going even further beyond is Decadenza + Yu where positioning barely matters; that’s where I am

[sage bolt]

should i 2-4-3 cuz i accidentally leveled up reception and office back in 2020, and i didn't make any renovations that much until last year

[hasty tiger]

Lower that t4 dorm and put the levels into your factories probably

Don't need 243

[silent nova]

no

[sage bolt]

so i should retain 2-5-2, would there be any problems with production?

[silent nova]

yes retain, no problems

[pale yoke]

[fierce torrent]

Don't know how many images Shaw allows me to send in one message soo... screenshotted all the rooms at once.. (hope this fits here... im new)

Here be all the rooms for my babies! (Texas, Lappland, Exusiai, Sora, and Croissant)
The last room I need to change out...
Yes ik they max trust but idrc, I want them to have their own dorms :D

[frank cipher]

i want all baby with their own dorm

proceed to make tex next to lapp dorm

Operator theme look fun tho and the idea behind it

[fierce torrent]

I did that cause.... I may or may not ship them- XDDD

Fun fact, Texas's dorm is based on the room Texas was in when Zaaro confronted her-

PS. LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A LAPPDUMB AND A TEXDUMB-

[inner ocean]

Goddamn I'm getting a blast from the past seeing guys use Bubble Vulc

[crude badge]

Quartz is fine, Chilchuck is also fine, tho I prefer Hoederer because I keep walter in the control center 24/7.

[scarlet coral]

Is hoshialter+swire viable to use with like sui in CC?

[arctic prism]

probably optimal if you arent running gladiia

[scarlet coral]

time to redo some comps

[arctic prism]

also i thought I was going crazy for a sec bc morale drain was off + nothing/tuye was giving 102% instead of numbers im used to seeing like 105, 110, 112 or 117
i was like wtf am i missing and went looking through all the dorm people and people in other facilities
turned out to be just extremely slight dusk ling desync and I just happened to check while they were desynced

[wind otter]

[fluid pollen]

Desync

Does this mean you have to re-calc how much resources you get

[arctic prism]

btw for this, in case your old comps were sui + ft/viv, sui + eun/amiya
hoshi value is roughly equal to eun if droning factories, fac% wise
eun gets slightly higher raw% (0~2.5% depending on what pp worker you're replacing with lancet) but is all in on gold%, hoshi can be used for xp and gold

can think of it like if you use eun, you're spending the drones you would be making with that pp on gold + getting a marginally higher fac%, vs being able to spend drones on xp + being able to increase xp% instead of gold%

tldr: if droning fac and gold value > xp value for you, use eun
otherwise use hoshi

[fluid pollen]

Thanks to that slight ms

[arctic prism]

lmao they're like off by 30 minutes bc some of them were like just barely not finished resting by the time i was like i gotta rotate and go to sleep

[fluid pollen]

[wind otter]

sleep is temporary, regret is forever

[fluid pollen]

Acceptance exists

[wind otter]

yes, you accept you're going to do everything in your power not to regret it

[oak goblet]

I have lemuen n exusia is it better?

[wind otter]

kaboom roach don't work with the hoe

[crude badge]

Actually yes. Lemuen's 45% and exusiai's 35% is much higher than the normal 30% base skill.

[crude badge]

I know, but waltuh still gives +2 storage to trading post for proviso+hoederer, which my lvl 2 tp needs.

[arctic prism]

if the question is whether to use lv2 tp vs lv3 tp in 252, the answer is going to be lv2 tp 9 times out of 10

[scarlet coral]

tbh if I used all my resources idk if I'd be LMD blocked or exp blocked

[arctic prism]

yea for that depends on what you're trying to do

[oak goblet]

The excel page did say lvl2 tp is better cuz it only produces 2 3gold orders so i just wonder

[arctic prism]

if you want to calculate this yourself
lv2 tp final% = (102 + %from ops) * 1.811
lv3 tp final% = (103 + % from ops) * 1.551
compare the differences
generally the difference isnt going to be higher than the extra factory% value you get from getting 1 extra factory worker

[crude badge]

Yeah, but the math (according to peterYR on youtube) says that level 3 tp is about +10% better for proviso than level 2 tp.

It's not straight up worse for proviso, but you are also better off downgrading that trading post to level 2 and upgrading one of your factory to level 3.

[silent nova]

tp3 for prov is mostly on account of having a strong duo to pair with her

if you wanna mald a better strategy is to run that pair and micro prov everytime an order is fulfilled

and if you want to take it further a strong trio then microing prov is the strongest

butthat requires being awake every 2 hours

[arctic prism]

strong combos req u to check every 40~50 min for 2 gold order lol

[silent nova]

yeah lol

also i made a desmos graph for this then threw it away

but for tp3 to beat tp2 with mr. nothing 80%requires a duo with like 120% which is pretty hard

it's not that hard to figure ou tthat graph jiust have tp3_prod_mult * (1 + 0.03 + y) >= tp2_prod_mult * (1 + 0.02 + x)

[arctic prism]

ye

i feel like tho realistic case you're never gonna run into a situation where lv3 is worth over lv2

if you're factoring in curse

[silent nova]

it's not worth for suckers like us who need to trade a tp level for a fac level

[arctic prism]

yea lmao

[silent nova]

but i fyou can max left i'd rather tp3 prov over tp2 prov

its technically still a higher peak even though it's not fully efficient with prov like tp2 is

[arctic prism]

Yea fs

[silent nova]

imagine base mods

module blocks for base skills

[arctic prism]

The roi on those

Gonna be abysmal lmao

[silent nova]

also cho do you have the new tp rates

all my calculations arerstill using the old rates before we figured out tailoring stacked

an di can probably gather tp3 rates from base combos sheet but idk for tp2

[arctic prism]

You mean the 2/3/4 gold order generation rates?

[silent nova]

yeah

[arctic prism]

Bc i don't have those either lol

[silent nova]

damn

ok i guess i'm still using my old rates then

[arctic prism]

I just assume whatever is on gato sheet is correct for those

[silent nova]

it only has tp3 rates

i have a good educated guess that tp1 rates is 100%/0%/0% 2/3/4 gb

but idk what tp2 is

[scarlet coral]

What would Proviso tp3 need to match a tp2 with 40%

[arctic prism]

Last numbers I remember seeing was 70/30 and 60/40 but idk

[silent nova]

80? idk solve the eqn

[scarlet coral]

Math hard (no paper atm)

[arctic prism]

Prob closer to 60-70 but not factoring in extra fac worker

[scarlet coral]

65%

After some lazy rounding

[silent nova]

A good approx is just take you to% and multiply by like 1.8/1.5 or some shit

Actually that seems wrong

Whaaatevee im walk-in right now I can't look at my phone

[scarlet coral]

(Tp%+100)*(18/15) -100 but that also seems wrong

Maybe it isn't tho

[silent nova]

No that seems more right

[limpid frost]

What are the countdowns next to the morale numbers? I thought that was the time until morale runs out but the ratios don’t seem to match up.

[silent nova]

Iirc for factory it also does time to fill

For tp it doesn't (or more like it can't cuz its random)

[orchid bane]

For TP yes
But for factory . Morale run out OR cap

Whichever have shorter timer take place

Also. For HR , RR is Morale run out OR next clue, next Refresh (which is completely useless)

[strange prawn]

uhhh guys should I consider level up right side while maintaining 252 ?

[sage bolt]

is it worth it to get grey alter on the free 5* selector and pudding on the cert shop?

[inner ocean]

no

don't level up right side as much as you can

the only acceptable level ups on right side is Workshop and Training Room

[strange prawn]

ok

[silent nova]

Not really

[sage bolt]

oh i see

thanks

[crude badge]

Does hoshi alt and swire alt work together in CC?

[rigid plume]

I don't think so.

She even lacking CC skill, so no even a point to put her with HoshiAlter.

[sage bolt]

should i max out the one factory or make both factories level 2

[eternal gyro]

What do you guys think of this 2 formation? And do i need third one to make it fully automatic?

[pallid isle]

to add to this. ALL alters only count as alter faction and not part of any other group. this applies to all base skills

[pallid isle]

you want mutiple level 2 factories

[sage bolt]

thank you

[eternal gyro]

And do we prefer locking 1 ST Dorm worker on each dorm, or locking 1 Aoe Worker?

[trim onyx]

/base

[normal dagger]

It works in #bot-spam

[trim onyx]

Ohh thanks

[crude badge]

I see....

[novel pier]

I would probably use Swire over Amiya first team

Second team I’m gonna assume u don’t have flametail or Vivian so it’s fine for now

Also personally I don’t even use dorm workers at all. I find that I would rather have the extra slots instead

But I am also using 153 so my dorm recovers super fast but even when I was using 252 for a bit I don’t think it was that slow

[spark sapphire]

could i see the rates you guys have?

i got my rates from some video in chinese

(also TP3 only)

but the numbers i got from there said that the rates wewre the same for tailing B vs a+B as if the stacking got capped or something not sure

[pale yoke]

Don't be like this

We can be better

[rigid plume]

Yeah, just Exhaust Endfield base as well

And it will be perfect.

Lol.

[pale yoke]

my takeaway was that once they started endfield they abandon their arknight base

that's why i say we should do better since we riic

[wind otter]

no chance in hell that happens to me

[inner ocean]

Let's not forget that majority of the AK playerbase ain't exactly here for the gameplay alone

[orchid bane]

I came to A9 because potato phone, stay because story, gameplay, music ||and also my phone is still potato||

[ebon relic]

should i use change to other base for orundum farm? (end game account)

i really need more 40 pull to spark the collab banner

my base rn, all producing and selling AO

[silent nova]

A+B and B are the same for tp3 afaik it's only A+A that changes

My old rates for tp don't even consider any stacking of tailoring

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d4V9aNXK1TMko6HMNtYIZHI1juxFc1C5BprOln4hjCM

[fleet wolf]

hella guilty during beta

only time i stopped cursing last year

[simple violet]

I feel like if I could figure out my CC, my base might make sense. I think I'm mostly only missing Dusk and Chongyue, so I think my options are:
Mlynar, Mon3tr, Flametail, Viviana. Ascalon, Kirin, Noir Corne, Hoshi2, Swire. CE, Wis'adel. Eunectes.

What's my optimal rotation?

[round lichen]

Hoshi Swire Flametail Viviana Eunectes

For your main team

[arctic prism]

probably have to run some calcs but mlynar might be more value than one of them

[arctic prism]

yea these look like the values that I got when I calculated them manually too (1.859 and 1.59) but didnt really question why it was slightly different from the ones on the sheets people use

I feel like I got 1.859 when I was using 70/30 for tp2 but might be wrong

[silent nova]

Gato sheet is also using tp3 as 1.00 instead of tp1

[arctic prism]

ah ok

btw where did you get your tp3 gold probabilities

[silent nova]

Old nga link

https://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=21159636

[arctic prism]

icic

i remember people saying 5/10/85 for tailoring beta but idk if we have actual accurate values anywhere lol

[silent nova]

Yeah

I'm trying to hunt for the new ones because my calculations are off by like 5-10k when droning tp

[queen flicker]

is this with jaye e0 or e1?

[wicked canopy]

gnosis in cc means e1 jaye

[strange prawn]

Chat should I upgrade reception office?

[silent nova]

Probably not

[strange prawn]

I want to unlock texa :()

[silent nova]

Egads! You've bested me

[pallid isle]

texas is bait

don't do it

[wicked ermine]

Stupid question: I started playing a week ago, and upgraded the office to lvl2. After doing any amount of research, it seems like this is generally considered a bad move. Should I start a new account considering I'm new anyway? I wanted to make different operator choices anyway

[spark sapphire]

these are the values i found

i got it from here
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1UW4y1a78E/

(i may have misunderstood something because i google translated the slides and subtitles)

[pallid isle]

rerolling with in a single week i mean isn't that crazy. If you think your gonna play for extremely long time then yeah the long term gains add up and if you haven't made a lot of progress/want new operators even more reason

idk exactly how far you are though tbf

if a person really wanted to they technically can like clear through chapter 8 with a new account in a day

[silent nova]

Tp3 rates seem to be the same as gato sheet

Its tp2 that I don't know

[silent nova]

How new

[spark sapphire]

yeah same havent found any tp2 numbers either and dont have the resources to find the numbers myself xd

[wicked ermine]

I only made it to 3-8, and some poking around with the event/annilation

[pallid isle]

i would consider rerolling it then

[spark sapphire]

reroll brother, that lvl2 office will keep bothering you later

[pallid isle]

yeah thats fairly quick to catch back up

[wicked ermine]

Cool, I already made the new account, just looking for validation lol.

[pallid isle]

if you wanna be really cool build the training room above the office this time

[wicked ermine]

That's exactly what I'm doing x3

[pallid isle]

[silent nova]

Probably then

[silent nova]

kinda stinks that wedon't given how iportant tp2 is for prov lol

[next dawn]

how do you have two trading posts?

[silent nova]

actually that's silly prov is actively worse with tailoring

[spark sapphire]

until someone is willing to create a new account, grind like 1000 yellow rocks, and dump them all into drones for a lvl2 tp xd

[silent nova]

thats probably no t enoug heiher lol

[spark sapphire]

i just want to know more numbers-

[silent nova]

yeah same

whats the sanity -> drone conversion again

2 per 1 sanity?

[spark sapphire]

it doesnt do anything cuz regardless of the order that comes out, it's still +2 gold consumption, +1000 LMD xddd

maybe a diff op

in the future

who knows

[silent nova]

no prov is better for 2 gold orders since htey take less time

[spark sapphire]

oh right

[silent nova]

you can think of it as like

the more 2 orders is better since more prov procs

[spark sapphire]

then it is just worse

[silent nova]

yeah

[spark sapphire]

also yeah it's 1 san = 2 drones

anyway

[silent nova]

thats like what

[spark sapphire]

it's kinda weirrd that tailoring a+a stacks

but a+B doesnt

[spark sapphire]

24 sanitty for one 2-gold order

[silent nova]

1000 * 135 * 2 * 3 = 810000 work minutes

hmm

like 3000-5000ish orders

i don't really know enough stats to determine if that's good enough

[spark sapphire]

the numbers we have for tp3 only useed about 100~200 orders for each tailoring type i think

[silent nova]

now im pretty confident 100-200 is not enough lol

if you assume error is normal you can probably just use hte usual p-test

thats probably a reasonable asusmption

i don't know i'm not majoring in stats

ask peter about it

[spark sapphire]

yeah thats like

itll get you close to the number but itll prolly sttill be off by 1~5% i guess

[spark sapphire]

this would be enough i think

[silent nova]

now that i think of it 810000 work minutes is not that hard to do

i mean it's like a year and some of griefing your prod maybe its a lot

but that's like one person

4 people puts it at 140 days

you can probably get 4 people to grief their prod for 140 days

[spark sapphire]

actually

dont we just need people running lvl2 tp with prov

to take note of their orders

no wait the tailoring

[silent nova]

that just gets us the usual ones which we're probably reasonably confident about

we need tailoring

yeah

which requires e2ing some people for beta lol

[spark sapphire]

cant even micro prov if ur doing the a+B or a+a test runs

[silent nova]

oh you know what else

ramp

[spark sapphire]

yeah it is a lot of griefing

[silent nova]

ramp sorta makes it difficult

like you can't be super confident of results fr the first 5ish hours

[spark sapphire]

oh looks like it's more orders than i thought

[silent nova]

i think optima concluded that ramp is like linear

[spark sapphire]

it's too bad he didnt do it every 1hr

it's hard to figure out when the ramp stops

[silent nova]

not possible to do every hr i think

or requires too much babysitting

like you need to start an order, wait til 1 hr left, then put tailoring in

lol

thats maybe too much work for a baby game

don't want a second full time job

[spark sapphire]

he was already yellow rock refreshing for this lol

[silent nova]

can't wait for the tailoring gamma drop 🔥

oh shit i connected to libgen on campus

[spark sapphire]

technically off topic but

do we know anything about endfield's factory system that we absolutely shouldnt do

like on the same level as dont upgradee the office/reception room

[silent nova]

Not that I know of

[wind otter]

I went to server-news to read the notification and all I'm going to say is we won't need to farm transmuted salt for a while

[summer kernel]

Nothing to add for the mystery of TP2 values but I remember having a conversation with Cho on TP3 ramping based on meta analysis of gato's numbers and nga stuff

#r-i-i-c message

[silent nova]

Yeah I was there

[summer kernel]

"I was there" reminds me of the Matt Damon aging meme lol

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[silent nova]

Scholar are you interested in making a base calc program

[summer kernel]

It's the holy grail right? Lots of people have tried and have given up and I'll end up in the same boat

(also not a lot of bandwidth / free time )

[silent nova]

Hmm ok

[summer kernel]

I don't mind helping out though

[silent nova]

If I have the time I might lab something out

I have maybe a good one month of free time in between grad and moving/ft

But that's in 3 months ish

[summer kernel]

Also, just not sure if there's a real demand for a better calculator than Zyf's even amongst us Uber nerds

[silent nova]

I guess so

I also probably have a project I wanna do more than this

[summer kernel]

I think the real high impact endgoal to a perfect calculator / simulator, which is no small feat on its own, is as a stepping stone for a rotations optimizer

[silent nova]

We should come up with a krooster of base rots so we have some form of schedulefile

[summer kernel]

That probably has broad appeal for everyone, from us nerds* to casuals that want to do 1 rotations a day. The complexity on that project would be absurd

[silent nova]

I knew someone who was doing it but then he fell off the face of the earth

Probably just busy with uni

There's some sort of curse in the en riic side man

Everytime someone initiates a project it never actually happens

[summer kernel]

I looked into it for an evening and I think you either have to build the calculator first and then figure out a schema for evaluating tons of rotations or you bootstrap some of CN's unsavory "tools". Cataloging good bases isn't going to be very useful especially with everyone's different demands and inputs

[summer kernel]

Put some respect on Zyf's name lol

[silent nova]

That's a labour of love man

I read it and it is special cases on special cases

Like really impressive

Oh fuck I missed my bus stop brb

[summer kernel]

Yeah but it ships. And it's more than just an MVP

[summer kernel]

Too deep in riic thought, don't get hit by a bus

[silent nova]

You say that but last month I was hit by a car

[fluid pollen]

Buh

[tight obsidian]

Guys am I doing good?

[rare garden]

So. Where can I calculate roccs to last for 20 days?

[normal dagger]

How do I rotate cc
My beginner roster units (cc buffs are)
Amiya + mylnar + Kroos2 (do not have other unit alts) + raidian + Gladiia (but I only have specter to combo her team) + 3 smileys ( doberman scavenger project red)

[summer kernel]

If you have another +7% TP skill (Ascalon, Paprika, etc), then always have one of those in the CC. If not, then just do Mlynar + Amiya + 3 smiley as long as possible. Raidian is also a smiley so you can swap between those 4 interchangeably.

You can get lava2(another alter for 2nd team), heavyrain (smiley), and maybe coldshot (smiley) from RR but your second team is inconsequential as long as it doesn't die

[summer kernel]

2 rocks are used per factory order per raw hour and 45%+2 x 35% is the most basic AO team so you're using 4.4rocks per hour a majority of the time. Don't know if the TP will be your bottleneck without knowing your roster.

[silent nova]

this is like decently off

wtf

[green nimbus]

is my base bad

[silent nova]

holy gold deficit

[silent nova]

hmm i'm comptuing something wrong and its not to do wit hthe rates

i shoul db eexpecting 23.240459 orders/day

LOL ok i found it

[turbid igloo]

how does one go into base building as an early player? I know it might be a bit complicated but I wanna learn as early as I can

[jaunty notch]

3rd pin for setup first, then NOOB in pin2 link 4

[frank cipher]

check pin 4 team n base combo , there is noob tabb
-# or you can have watch Closure secret file for base shinanigan and base instruction

[turbid igloo]

alright thanks! :D

[normal dagger]

Does pudding's overclock work if my two bots have 0 morale

[orchid bane]

I think it should be. Look at Eunectes case

But you know there are 3 OP better than her

Kal and mon3rt , and this event Hoshi2 even better just need E0 swire

If you have enough 20% PP then pudding are way worst, you need to see what else are you gonna do with the robots

Wow this one is L2D

[normal dagger]

I haven't got them yet, what does hoshi2 do

[orchid bane]

+3% each fac when she with Swire

Or chen

Ofc Swire have same skill as Amiya, better option here

[shrewd nimbus]

what should I focus on producing in each 5 factories?

also can you not downgrade the right side of the base?

i have my entire right side (reception room, office, workshop) at lvl 3 except training room is lvl 2. what would then be the optimal build for my left side?

[summer kernel]

usually 3 gold 2 exp or vice versa depending on how your roster and demand

[summer kernel]

nothing you can do about it unless you plan on restarting. you can keep TR at lvl2 for one more level 3 factory or TP but that's probably the most important right side room.

see table on pin 5. youre currently in the 252 3323 state but most people would probably just go full max right at that point.

[shrewd nimbus]

thanks, any idea how much of a difference a lvl 2 factory/tp has compared to a lvl 3?

[silent nova]

= 30%

[simple violet]

It was suggested that I use Hoshi Swire Flametail Viviana Eunectes as my primary CC rotation, but if I don't use Mlynar, won't I break Fiammetta's rotation?

[frank cipher]

use mlynar with 2 smile on sub team prob fine

[simple violet]

Ok! I also have Wis'adel + CE for a sub team if they'd be useful. Otherwise though, I think I'm just running Yato + Noir Corne, or there's probably no reason to run them and it's just Ascalon + Mon3tr?

[frank cipher]

do dat even better

use need morale reduce for 1 shift to fit fia in lvl2 prov

[simple violet]

Is Wis'adel + CE in the second team enough to sustain Fiammetta on their own? That team would be them plus Ascalon + Mon3tr + Rando?

Could easily swap Eunectes to the second group and out Mlynar in the first.,mm, but I'd likely be losing uptime on that Factory.

[queen flicker]

bryophyta and bibeak acquired 🫡

[crude badge]

Hi, I'm a veteran player, I have all the Sui except Nian and Dusk.
I was wondering whether to pity Nian or Dusk the next time Sui banner comes.

Is Dusk worth it for base, or should I get Nian for Sui Gaming? (I have multiple good defenders in my account, I just want Nian because I saw many people using Nian in this CCB#4)

[arctic prism]

it's ultimately up to you
if you have all the suis outside of those 2, getting dusk will give you +10% to rosmontis or +15% to mr nothing, depending on how much morale she currently has
she will also increase CY morale drain reduction by an extra 0.05 while she's boosting mr nothing
whether you feel like this is more worth than getting nian for gameplay is something you'd have to determine for yourself lol

[fluid pollen]

Ling cancels out her MR effect on Sui tho.

[pale yoke]

EX CC AKalter all at the same time

[fluid pollen]

✅ ✅ ❌

[shrewd nimbus]

how much originium do you get from the trading post?

[rigid plume]

20 per order. Always.

If you go out for Orundum completely, should be around 1800/weekly.
3 pulls.

[orchid bane]

An order take 40 drone time and 2 shards

Give you 20 orun

[inner ocean]

do any of you have the websites used for recruitment tag filters?

[orchid bane]

https://puppiizsunniiz.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/akhr.html

[orchid bane]

This no good ?

[inner ocean]

this will do

same i actually use

it's just weird that the link or website address appears so differently

[orchid bane]

Aceship owner abandon ship

[foggy girder]

Is fiametta + sankta good in reception?

[orchid bane]

Fia still in her place

Yes Sankta is really good

Cause fia should be in dorm all the time anyway

[foggy girder]

My reception room

[orchid bane]

Why Angel ?

You like clue 7 ?

[valid storm]

Everyone loves receiving 11

[valid storm]

sadly I have none to send to you

[orchid bane]

And I need some of them rn

[valid storm]

Found one just for you

[winged hollow]

this is cursed img delete it

[orchid bane]

Nuh uh

[hasty plinth]

Trust farm

[tidal echo]

Is there any operators I can get through events or missions that are good for trading post? Also is shamare worth promoting for her trade post skill.

[frank cipher]

it's if you have even e0 teq

[wind otter]

It's so weird to run out of power in base and be able to just add another power plant, insane

[round lichen]

They can’t ignore us forever!

[orchid bane]

Sure Yostar will certainly take our heartfelt feedback to heart and send them to HG, so they can consider it

Hot white hair in swimsuit

[queen flicker]

this is my current base. soon theres a kernel locating. i was planning on getting weedy with gold certs and complete automation team (i have eunectes and greyy alter, only missing weedy). but i realized flametail also appears. i'm missing viviana and fartooth tho. so which one would you prioritize?

[frank cipher]

i see last time someone mentioned didn't have banana now one with swimsuit, congrat tho

[simple violet]

When running Flametail + Viviana, is it worth it to run Justice Knight, or is the better PP production higher value?

[orchid bane]

Assuming you E2 all of the combo right ?

JK is the same as 20% PP and you use your drone on EXP

Could be better if you are 243 and login every 12hr

[royal junco]

Does Texas base skill count Exia Alter?

Nvm it doesn't

[stoic spoke]

Spent sakiko banner funds on ebenballz banner

i think I'm cooked

[tidal cobalt]

Who has better CC skill
Wisadel + civ eterna + amiya +2
Or
Hoshi alt + swire +3?

[fluid pollen]

Did you get him?

[orchid bane]

Um . they are used for different purposes

Wis to make your whole base working for longer time

Hoshi to make your all your fac +3%

Swire and Amiya are the same here

You can even use them both. Just dumb our CEO out

Wis CE Hoshi Swire +1

[tidal echo]

I'm currently using 252 but I only have 2 maxed out factories because I don't have anymore power, should I switch a factory to a power plant?

[fluid pollen]

Nah

That’s just 252

[limpid frost]

Are tequila and kafka worth using without shamare? With my current teams the minimum order efficiency is 80%

[orchid bane]

Maybe mimt and a 35% or 40% is better than that

I wonder how is Mimt +40% +Tequila value

[tidal cobalt]

Hmm makes sense, kinda lock out of my head that amiya is a must on the team

[orchid bane]

For the last spot, could be an alter skill since there are 2 other alters on the team. To make themselves work longer

Or someone like Eunectes

[wind otter]

just wait for the rerun

[tidal cobalt]

How does gladia CC skill work, kinda confused

[tidal cobalt]

I rotate them all together anyway, so not much worth there

[orchid bane]

Gladia + 4 others AH not Inclue specter2

Make 4 spot in factory 40% each

Gladia working time is 7.5hr(iirc)

Don't use all lv3 fac AH, that will make that fac 90%

[tidal cobalt]

Well i dont even have any AH other than her and ulpi so wony bother with this

[orchid bane]

3 others members can be picked in Kernel or some RNG in recruit

The free 5* ticket can get them too

For gameplay, I think we are about to have 200 token specter2

[pallid isle]

green x really is fitting answer here because no you don't use them in a basic combo but you do use tequila if you do cursed (put tequilla in 5 minutes before every order then remove him and put someone else there)

basically don't

[arctic ice]

do we have updated riic guide

[arctic ice]

did the base get bigger or am i tweaking (i last played 4 yrs ago)

[jaunty notch]

pins are still up to date

[silent nova]

I mean teq is worth running in non sham teq scenarios when the duo can output a high value themselves

But prov would be better there

But in the scenario where you have TWO high duos and the worse one has higher than like 100%(?) then it's better

[silent nova]

Yeah but the only things they added are rooms for trust so they don't do anything

[urban orchid]

Hmmm... does the previously unclaimed 300 credit now can be collected if you forgot now after the update?

[wind otter]

yes

you could have just gone there and realize on your own though

[jaunty notch]

just once though iirc

[wind otter]

gato, take one for the team and find out

[astral tiger]

I didn't claim it twice and still got it now

if that helps

[wind otter]

you got 600 credits?

[astral tiger]

ah is that what he meant? no it just gave me 300 after the week

kinda misunderstood there

first week missed and got 300 after reset, 2nd week same thing

[wind otter]

yeah, you also get an extra icon notification on top of Reception letting you know you have credits to claim

[astral tiger]

ye

[unique mauve]

does someone know what is bryo ROI?

[summer kernel]

breakeven is in 5-10 years, even in the best case scenarios.

[blissful ginkgo]

for a 2-5-2 setup is it better to have 3 EXP + 2 gold factories OR 3 gold + 2 EXP (all factories have 3 workers)

[unique mauve]

thx

[summer kernel]

it depends on your roster needs but most people run more gold bc Proviso eats it up and you normally need more LMD.
before i got proviso, I ran 3EXP to "stockpile" since my EXP workers at the time were relatively better than my gold workers. nowadays i run 3 to 4 gold, 1 to 2 exp

[blissful ginkgo]

these are my currentn numbers. i have 2762 gold bars. should i do 3x exp in this case?

[summer kernel]

7.3/4.6 =1.6 LMD/EXP ratio which i believe is high but acceptable. if youre running a gold bar surplus every month, then sure, go for exp.

[blissful ginkgo]

thank you

[orchid bane]

Suitable ratio for ppl can always be changed base on how many module you want to upgrade left

[summer kernel]

It definitely depends on his goals but I just assumed he's modding as he goes to simplify things. 1.6 is like the max ratio even if you mod3 every 6*

more than enough unless you have a stockpile of mods you need to do
... or you are AO farming

What would you suggest the reasonable range be?

[orchid bane]

Maybe between 1.2 and 1.4

My raitio now is 1.0

[valid storm]

every sane old player farms orundumbs

[limpid frost]

how do "restores +X morale per hour to another operator" dormitory skills work? (ex: hibiscus)

do they just pick the operator with the lowest morale?

can i just treat it the same way as a "+X morale per hour to all operators" skill, but divided by the number of operators in the dormitory?

[orchid bane]

There are only 1 devide OP . it is coldshot

There are 4 types of morale restore in dorm. They stack with each other, don't stack with the same kind

• Single: your hibiscus here. Target 1 other OP
• AOE, target all OP in same dorm, Durin
• Self. Target themself Arene
• special Aoe. Aoe till certain number morale. Vandela, perfume2

[orchid bane]

Not always, if they enter the dorm last, yes

[limpid frost]

does it just pick the last selected operator in the dorm then?

[orchid bane]

The way dorm work. It put your setup from left to right

[orchid bane]

So if I put in the following remain morale. see 8 5 Hibiscus 3 6. Guess who gonna be picked by Hibiscus

[orchid bane]

Dat was close

[inner ocean]

Are you kidding me?

this set just fucking begun

[pale yoke]

What's the joke here?

[orchid bane]

I think he is talking about " 2 of the same kind already "

[fluid pollen]

Sounds like a non-issue

[orchid bane]

I think the they should have some pity system that lower the rate of parts we are already have

God knows

[pale yoke]

i think there's a chair i have 11 piece of

heh

[fluid pollen]

Yea some sets just go without finding certain furns

[pale yoke]

but actual non issue

[fluid pollen]

Could always just buy em.

[pale yoke]

btw clue 2 plague me, now that's a headline

[fluid pollen]

No more 7s?

[pale yoke]

i mean, i have them but just it didnt haunt me now that our resident 7 spammer have descended

[wind otter]

watchu doin red

[orchid bane]

No thought head empty

Actually this is friend acc but kind feel bad to mess that up

[gleaming coral]

Who would Swire alter work best with?

Karlan OPs?

[orchid bane]

Yup

Swire2 Jaye E1 SA Gnosis in CC

129% TP

Not so good, but if you don't have anyone else, sure

[light belfry]

What TP level should I use for Proviso? Can she work in a level 3? e2 proviso

[orchid bane]

She can work at any level
I don't want to go into many details here. If you use 243 . just let her in lv3
If you use 252, downgrade a TP to lv2 and upgrade a Fac, leave her in that lv2

[jaunty temple]

I have everyone that best fits their spaces in the Base according to the excel sheets for baseskills. Should I just start leveling up whoever is on that base sheet?

[gleaming coral]

If only I didn't E2 Jaye

He shouldn't have been too good on the field

[orchid bane]

No Jaye E2 still can use that combo

The different is E0 or not

There are good E0 combo, but not everyone can use it

[pale yoke]

Y u do dis to me

[fluid pollen]

Lmao

[eternal gyro]

Which one is a better base slave at E2, Aroma or Almond? And is it recommended to do so? Im also on my way raising Waii Fu to E2 for her base skill

[silent nova]

aroma and no

[eternal gyro]

What about waiifu?

Still at E1

[silent nova]

also no

[eternal gyro]

[silent nova]

there's like 3 5*s worthwhile to e2 for base and its like prov teq sham

i don't think anyone else makes the cut

and even then it takes a while for htem to recoup their costs

waai fu is probably in the range of like 5 years

[eternal gyro]

True, extra 10% factory production for immense investment.. lol

Just bored nothing to raise in my team. But thx for the reminder

[silent nova]

i mean if you're rich asl and you have no one else to raise it doesn't really matter who you raise ngl

but for reference 10% exp is 800 exp/day

e2 waaifu gains you 800 exp a day

2 blues lol

[eternal gyro]

Not rich, just dont have better ops to raise for now

[silent nova]

i thikn just save rn then

[eternal gyro]

Sure

[orchid bane]

Just raise her. She is specialist

[fluid pollen]

Red clone

rip blue.

[torn meteor]

got hoshialt today, time to retire pudding and my robots

(or rather it will be once i e2 her)

my ass is out of exp

[violet wolf]

I asked this in help, but couldn't get an answer
Is it worth doing a Gnosis team for a trading post if I don't have SilverAsh but I already have Swire, Jaye, and Degenbrecher promoted?

[torn meteor]

its very expensive to do but whether its actually worth it at all depends on if you use fia to run proviso tequila shamare around the clock and if you think you will use gnosis at all

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/sophie-saturday-gif-25518556

[torn meteor]

theres 0 6star workers that are worth building solely for base

return on investment is too slow

[orchid bane]

Gnosis best team is not so good now. Better find more 40%

Lemuen exu1, Vigil, Hoe, underflow

[torn meteor]

doesnt hoe need you to jump through hoops to be a 40?

[orchid bane]

Hoe need W and Ines

[violet wolf]

I will use Gnosis yeah. i do not have fiammetta. I'm currently running proviso with archetto and underflow and the shamare/tequila team as the main TP teams and the texulap and any other high % teams I have when they're recovering

[torn meteor]

yeahhh needing a limited makes hoe very awkward

[torn meteor]

mkay then he probably is worth it for now if you are fine with the fact you will replace him in base down the line

[violet wolf]

what would down the line be?

[orchid bane]

What about Delphine team ?

[violet wolf]

I'm mostly just looking to see if gnosis the comp is better than texulap or the quartz/gummy/heidi team I have when the main two teams are recovering.

[violet wolf]

no siege unfortunately

[orchid bane]

[violet wolf]

i already have Delphine and Vina promoted too 😢

[torn meteor]

siege morgan delphine would be the big one that actually beats gnosis, pozy also does if you want to run 4 gold but idk about that

[orchid bane]

Gnosis with Swire Jaye SA give 129% . with so many 40% we have atm, Gnosis value is only 9%, which is not good to me

Delphine can give 95% for 2 slot TP surely she is better

Only downside is delphine doesn't have MD in CC

[torn meteor]

id agree in a world with fia but without fia or siege hes kinda the 3rd best thing available

[orchid bane]

Actually If I have Jaye E0, and I can do curse sometime, Gnosis can be better

[torn meteor]

they already have jaye promoted here

[orchid bane]

But that combo is not for everyone so I don't want to go into detail here

[orchid bane]

Worst decision in this game

To me

I would love to have some demote system in this game

[violet wolf]

Really why I'm asking is I can't decide who to buy between gnosis and saileach with the current kernel selector. I'd use both in combat, so I was letting base skills help me decide

[orchid bane]

Some high end CC player can say the same

[orchid bane]

Sail took a CC slot for you to no losing refreshes when use Sui combo

[violet wolf]

i only have Yu unfortunately

sounds like gnosis might be the better pick in the end. thank you everyone!

[orchid bane]

I wound say that Gnosis is not so good tho

But hey . you know what he does, if you think he could improve your base, it is fine then

[summer kernel]

KT maxes at 145 with 4 slots so it still isn't even that good

Save that CC slot for Umiri. She's free and gives +20%

[orchid bane]

I don't do math much here, but I already mention curse right?

Mean you take every order asap, and maybe, put your Teq, prov before

That is 145% with full teq prov buff man

You can say that pozy team better

[summer kernel]

At that point you can say Pozy maxes at 165 + cursed? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

[orchid bane]

Sure but they make you have less Exp

This Gnosis team have no exp retriction, just 1 CC slot

If I can demote Jaye, that team surely have a place in my rotation. Given Im still using Delphine + 40%

[uncut dome]

@orchid bane I'm spending the sanity rn

[orchid bane]

Ty

[uncut dome]

I'm done

Lmk what you get

[orchid bane]

Thanks for 300 more

[uncut dome]

I'll come back next time a return player is needed

[orchid bane]

I think my hands are bad

So perhaps double it and give it to the next person

[fluid pollen]

🥹

[gleaming coral]

Apparently Swire Alter, SA and Cliffheart can have like 87% efficiency and 18 trade limits

That's actually not bad

[gleaming coral]

Morgan and Siege with Delphine CC is 208%? Deadass?

[orchid bane]

The number 95% is right, not sure what is 208% for

[gleaming coral]

I assume it's Proviso

I do have the Glasgow OPs

[stoic spoke]

Yes

[pale yoke]

welcome back @uncut dome

How did you get so many 7 the moment you get back

just to spam me

[uncut dome]

It's a god given talent to spawn clue 7

[pale yoke]

Intentionally generating clue 7 to poison the well

[orchid bane]

I need 7 now

But I guess Zyf is really care bout u

[silent nova]

This is less than 3x30% lol

[gleaming coral]

3% less for even more trade limits

Not even a bad tradeoff

[silent nova]

[gleaming coral]

What's wrong?

[silent nova]

If you log in like once every 12 hours cap is not that useful

[orchid bane]

24hr

[torn meteor]

welp uh this is what ive got for CC now, one day ill build my flametail viv and finally get skadi to use them

ignore mon3tr i just got hoshialt e2 so i was using mon3tr in that shift until a moment ago

[hard basin]

Rate my base

First, yes i use 243. As much as 252 give huge production, un maxed facility annoy my perfectionism too much

Formation 1 is my phase 1 team, formation 3 is phase 2, and formation 2 in between

Mlynar is put there because i still raising sona now

Phase 1 have knight combo with pinus team and viviana for gravel in gold factory which also bryophyta combo

Gnosis is for tp 2 combo

First exp with scene pallas vermeil is the most exp producer i found in combo, next is pinus team.

For gold, i mixed aroma with waaifu and minimalist, getring total 125% after hours

My phase 2 is utilizing abyssal combos. To get 115% in 1 exp and 1 gold factory

Dead lancet for greyyalt and eunectes combo, reaching 160% for gold

Phase is pretty intensive because i have to watch it every 6 hours and use fiametta to restore gladiia

If rhe cc team all become tired, i use formation 2 while gladiia is restoring morale

Drone are used in sham-bib-teq tp for phase 1 and weed-pure-wind in phase 2

Average at 60000 lmd per day

[round lichen]

The team you refer to as “phase 1” is all in formation 3

[hard basin]

Oops my bad

[round lichen]

My recommendation would be to cycle Fia refreshes between Proviso Tequila Shamare. Gladiia is providing slightly more XP productivity but lower gold productivity which seems to be a major bottleneck for you. If 24/7 Proviso eats too much gold, then focus all your drones into gold

Ditch Gnosis and replace him with Flametail when you’re done raising her

Since all of your ramp-up skills are on phase 1, you probably want to stay there as long as you can to avoid resetting the ramp. Put Hoshi2 and Swire into phase 1 since you want higher uptime on them as well.

Swap Eunectes for Młynar so you can have your 160% gold team in phase 1. This also gives Gladiia a few extra minutes to stay alive when you bring in your sub rotation.

[hard basin]

I am not really good at staggered cycle strat, which is the reason i make them in this 2 phase part

Gladiia actually do well in gold because my gold factory produce 115% with marcille, specter and andreana

I guess you're right on ditching gnosis for eunectes, but phase 1 have knight combo and viviana help gravel which is part of bryo combo. It's just 7% but i put eunects in phase 2 just so i could put bryo team and pinu team together

Let me think of this first. I really appreciate the feedback

[limpid frost]

What welfare operators have good base skills?

[round lichen]

Tequila is the big one
Others include Bryophyta, Vigil, Underflow, Morgan, Delphine, Minimalist (if you’re 243)

[orchid bane]

Why everyone forget mama ?

[fluid pollen]

Who’s mama?

Also is Conviction a welfare op.

Is NCD counted

[orchid bane]

Still no mama

Wrys forbids you from saying her name?

[fluid pollen]

Red really wants ppl to get kick out fr

[bright root]

what is RIIC assistant?

[fluid pollen]

These?

They just help you farm trust.

[bright root]

What do I have to do to get that trust

I slapped my amiya there since i started playing and now its 200%

[bright root]

yes

[orchid bane]

2% what ?

[bright root]

200

i meant

[fluid pollen]

Just swap Amiya out bc she’s maxed and put someone else in.

You get free trust at 2 times a day.

[bright root]

got it I'll put other characters in there

Also what does the training room do, i don't have elite 2 characters but the effects the characters offer are confusing

Oh i need elite 2 characters

ok gotta work on that

[orchid bane]

Elite 2 and skill lv 7

[bright root]

yeah i need to get on the elite 2 train fast

chapter 5 is asking me of it

[whole aspen]

is there genrally good base layout i should be striving to get? (fairly new player, on chapter 5 now)

[round lichen]

Don’t upgrade your Dorms, HR, or RR, they provide 0 productivity and waste power. Try for 2 TPs, 5 FACs, 2 PPs

[whole aspen]

thanks but whats FAC and PP?

[orchid bane]

2 Trading Post 5 factory, 2 Power Plant

Blue Yellow green

[whole aspen]

so 3 more yellows

and thats about it?

[orchid bane]

2 trading post lv3 . if somehow you have Proviso, 1 lv2 and 1 lv3
Factory as many lv2 and lv3 as possible
Power Plant, both lv3 ofc

[whole aspen]

ok so i just get more factories and then lvl everything?

what other free spaces for? or that doesnt matter much

[orchid bane]

Yes just upgrade them all, it is for drone cap

[whole aspen]

ah

i guess it will take quite few days to do that

[orchid bane]

Reception room , Office keep them lv1

[whole aspen]

and i guess workers need to be lvled too?

[orchid bane]

I am not sure how many power you will have,
Make 3 more factory,
If you lack power , upgrade your PP to lv3
Make 2 more dorm lv1, if you see downgrade a Dorm can get you enough Power to upgrade more fac, do it

[whole aspen]

ok

thx

[orchid bane]

Worker, most of the time 3* 4* skill upgrade at E1
5* 6* skill upgrade at E2

[whole aspen]

ok, thx

[orchid bane]

Not every skills upgrade are helpfull some just need their base at E0, so make sure when you are thinking about upgrade just for base, read them

[bright root]

I feel like you have extra energy if you don't upgrade dorms

[orchid bane]

That is depend. You need exact number which my potato brain can't remember

But max right 252 surely have a lv2 dorm

[bright root]

i have 3 lvl 2 dorms and 1 level 1 dorm

wait I am wrong

[orchid bane]

That is too many

[bright root]

wait really

[orchid bane]

I think downgrade all that lv2 dorm can upgrade you a fac

Idk the number

You could just check them yourself when you login

[bright root]

yeah i down grade to 3 lvl 2 dorms and 1 lvl 1 dorm

i can upgrade 1 factory to level 3

[orchid bane]

"To" ?

Isn't that what you have now and you are about to downgrade more

Well Idk about your right size, but just check how many power you have for downgrade a dorm, and upgrade a fac

[bright root]

OH

i just checked the pinned comment

all dorms should be 1

[orchid bane]

Yes

When you have spare power you can upgrade 1 to lv2

[bright root]

damn i am gonna need to farm more carbon

[orchid bane]

Wait .farm ?

[bright root]

yeah you use sanity to get carbon packs to make the mat to upgrade the buildings