r-i-i-c

[torn meteor]

for simplicity sake lets say
12 chong ling dusk flametail viv
12 chong ling dusk hoshialt swire
12 flametail viv eunectes hoshialt swire
realistically it only significant in some rots

its relevant when you start looking at using say umiri for vigil, delphine, or gladiia

[stoic spoke]

RR1 HR2 would be the best base to have rn

10% more productivity

[stoic spoke]

and there's the space management issue with RL, Durins, Suis

fuck this dead lancet is fine

[torn meteor]

RL with nasti only uses 2 dorm slots

1 if like me you say fuck RR im gonna saria

[torn meteor]

im willing to drop 15 RR productivity to make my life easier

[stoic spoke]

do you have mumu

[torn meteor]

not yet but i will get her later, im not doing saria things until i get her tho

but also i dont curse so im not using pozy

[stoic spoke]

300 pulls for mumu

[torn meteor]

ok first im waiting until shes 200 and second i like her design and kit

[stoic spoke]

2027

[torn meteor]

yeah thats fine im too addicted to arknights to quit by then

and EOS is nowhere in sight

also i buy monthly card so its not unrealistic to have 200 pulls for mumu even if i keep trying at characters i want

[torn meteor]

im coping that by 2027 there will be dedicated dorm workers in RL

[valid storm]

There are dedicated dorm workers irl

[winged hollow]

everyone do cursed rotation meanwhile I rotate every 24h problem solved

[pale yoke]

[valid storm]

I rotate every 12 hours

And soon we'll have a paid RR furniture

[frank cipher]

you run window exp in 2028? dem big flex

[fluid pollen]

I do the bef work > aft work rot.

[torn meteor]

i do wake up, lunch, and eep rots

thats why
8 16
12 12 12
would work for me

[round dock]

5/5/14 is what I do

really not too difficult

reset is 6am for me right now, so soon as I get to work, first rotation's in, second one around lunch, and the 14hr one's right before going home

[torn meteor]

wait whats the point of 5 5 14

[round dock]

minimal downtime for my primary workers

they can fully rest in 5 hours

252 MR

it's actually 5/5/4/10, with that 4hr window for my last Gold Factory of Bryo and Gravel only

it works out really well, so much so it's gotten stagnant

[stoic spoke]

[orchid bane]

[mint stratus]

i switched to using 5sui and mulberry in HR a while ago. how does my production look?
my base is 252 maxed right.
i drone my exp factories.

reference value i found for average production for 252 max right is lmd/exp 40395/41607

hmm i will convert this to sanity value of lmd+exp and compare to my 3 day average

[meager meadow]

are you using proviso or not

do you collect once or twice (im praying you don't say twice)

im gonna go ahead and guess proviso but no droned + twice

it looks fine

i swear mulberry would allow proviso to hit 50k daily though

[torn meteor]

dont even need mulberry if you have fia, i make 56k per day using quartz and hoederer as partners lmao

(level 2 proviso tp to be clear)

[worthy elk]

need advice to improve https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKafWNNUowU1u01irmjQKQpJphAwmA0Ff0IlFUFj4Zw/edit?usp=sharing

[pallid isle]

Exactly I haven't added that up tbf and done an average yet but just looking at Bell's I can tell something is kinda off

[torn meteor]

ok admittedly not everyone has fia

[pallid isle]

Commenting as I go ok. Don't use 12f use a 6* any. Check the RR section in base guide for an explanation and a showing of % higher rarity give more of a bonus even without a skill so this beats 12f

[pallid isle]

True this is big

Wait why are you removing vermil combo after only 2 cycles in fact with the tragodia version It should last I believe 4 cycles? (48 hours)

So you wanna leave it there the whole time

[worthy elk]

okay

[pallid isle]

Ok teq without shamare now this one I would need someone to tell me because idk what teq estimated % is without any one

But in fairness doesn't look like you have many high % at this time so it's probably fine

Take pure stream out of power plant and put her in a gold factory

[worthy elk]

okay

[pallid isle]

I kinda forget how much time mylnar and chung actually add but iirc it should be possible to still just barely do 3 cycles (someone else correct me here if wrong)

So that way proviso can stay an extra cycle

if tequila is better then a 30 which I think he is but I need confirmation on this for without shamare. Then you just let him run a full 3 cycles as well I think

And you will be fine because you have a total of at least 5 (6 if you pull mousse) 30% to stagger with

Same thing for cc you could run amyia for 3 cycles

[next hill]

umm should I level up my power plants first or factories?

[pallid isle]

I sadly don't remember the exact upgrade route for beginners but generally factories give more production then power plants so I would do that first

Just remember NEVER upgrade right side

[worthy elk]

should i get vigil to e2 and run it with proviso instead of having him in RR ?

3cycle means 0-12-24-36 ?

[pallid isle]

If you wanna e2 for base that's up to you but it's generally not recommended and vigil also is usually considered pretty meh for gameplay

But yes if vigil in tp is better

If e2

[pallid isle]

Would be 0-12-24 so take proviso off at 24 and take teq off at 24. Take vermil combo off at 36 because of morale reduction

[meager meadow]

very big if, and besides that doesn't take away that mulberry with nothing would allow those numbers

aaand there's no mr nothing

or maybe this sheet is old?

am i missing something, you switched to using 5 sui? where are the suis in the available list

[meager meadow]

oh

oh my god im so blind

they are two different people

pouring the kettle down my throat

[worthy elk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKafWNNUowU1u01irmjQKQpJphAwmA0Ff0IlFUFj4Zw/edit?usp=sharing fixed. hoping this one run better

[meager meadow]

run quartz with proviso instead

it would be really useful to know who is e2 in your higher rated operators

you can run that gold fac with vermeil for 1 more shift because of morale reduction [ 24 / (1 - 0.25 - 0.1) ]

stagger the power plants, they are using worse workers and are overloaded with excess new workers unnecessarily
so

0  | greyy | spuria
12 | shaw  | spuria
24 | shaw  | greyy

id replace rope with gitano in RR, but really RR is whatever

provided gitano is atleast e1

id rather run vermeil with tragodia in xp factory

[worthy elk]

not much, but this https://www.krooster.com/u/fine-ivory-lemur-6699

[meager meadow]

gold fac can run whatever 25% workers you got left + staggering

i remember theresa being welfare, but im not sure if you can unlock that campaign yet?

getting theresa would help significantly

okay your tragodia is e2, id just run him with vermeil

instead of

0  |  Click   Tragodia Ms.Christine |
12 | Perfumer Tragodia Ms.Christine |
24 | Fang Alt   Fang      Kroos     |
_______________________________________
~loop~

I'd suggest

0  | Vermeil  Tragodia Ms.Christine |
12 | Vermeil  Tragodia Ms.Christine |
24 | Vermeil  Tragodia Ms.Christine |
36 | Vermeil  Tragodia Ms.Christine |
48 | FangAlt    Fang      Kroos     |
_______________________________________
~loop~

Vermeil Tragodia team can actually push for 60 hours, so 5 shifts, but we are sticking it to 4 for comfort

[worthy elk]

im still at ch10 it might take a while to get to ch14

[meager meadow]

i see

[queen flicker]

but her miss christine is e0

[meager meadow]

that's fine

she's still a 20%

[queen flicker]

isnt click better then? or beanstalk

[meager meadow]

oh

ohhh

right

yeah then click would be better

[worthy elk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKafWNNUowU1u01irmjQKQpJphAwmA0Ff0IlFUFj4Zw/edit?usp=sharing @meager meadow so click instead of ms. christine ?

[meager meadow]

yeah your previous arrangement was better

the 4 shift bit stays though

[worthy elk]

okayy

[worthy elk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKafWNNUowU1u01irmjQKQpJphAwmA0Ff0IlFUFj4Zw/edit?usp=sharing
so i swap click later after i got ms christine to e2 ?

[meager meadow]

dw about the link i have the sheet open

[meager meadow]

yes

[worthy elk]

okay thank you @meager meadow

[meager meadow]

don't make ms christine a priority though

click will be sufficient for ages, nothing to fret over

[worthy elk]

oh i though base investment is priority for the lmd and exp for long run

been lacking lmd and exp outside event reward

[meager meadow]

only applies if you are proviso or a 4*

[worthy elk]

ohhh

[pallid isle]

no its NOT recommend to e2 operators for base

proviso is a exception because the roi is 90 days (aprox with a 40% worker. a little more or less depending on whos paired)

[meager meadow]

5* or above require e2 for their base skills, and they are usually not enough to recoup their investment

proviso happens to be the exception cuz even in the worst circumstances, you recoup her cost really quick relative to other units

[pallid isle]

the difference of note is comparison to most operators that take many years to pay off.

yes exactly

your better off raising who you want to use now then focus on base

[worthy elk]

glad to hear that, then i can priortize the 6*

[pallid isle]

its a bonus though when they overlap

[worthy elk]

okay thank you so much guys @meager meadow @pallid isle

[pallid isle]

wis with civilnight eterna and amiya btw is a good combo

and gives all your rotations a lot more room

[meager meadow]

bryophyta is welfare, right?

i think we got the durin event in record restore?

get that bozo, that's one more gold worker

gold fac can run

jessica   , perfumer  , narantuya
jessica   , perfumer  , bryophyta
jessica   , bryophyta , narantuya
bryophyta , perfumer  , narantuya

[pallid isle]

bryo is welfare yes

[meager meadow]

on second thought

[pallid isle]

ok he fixed it to 4 rotations for vermil which is correct

but still can run proviso and amiya for 1 more cycle as well

[meager meadow]

gold fac 1 can run

gravel    , spot      , bryophyta
gravel    , spot      , perfumer
gravel    , perfumer  , bryophyta
perfumer  , spot      , bryophyta

gold fac 2 can run 25% or 15% staggered

this gives your better gold workers 1 extra shift

[pallid isle]

does narantuya not need e2?

[meager meadow]

oh yeah, replace that narantuya

he had her with vermeil so it worked to 20% there

there

[pallid isle]

i kinda forgot what her skill even was

[meager meadow]

+10 cap, -0.25 MR
+1% per dorm level for gold

[pallid isle]

so shes pretty much locked to 243 set ups 💀

[meager meadow]

yeah

vermeil gold AND 243

balllsss

[pallid isle]

5-6% for 252 (excluding cap)

[meager meadow]

fang2 squad only runs for 1 shift

they are your buffer team while vermeil team recharges

12 hours is enough for any dorm to recover workers from 0 to full

[pallid isle]

for some reason i didn't even notice that

yes only run them for one

run amiya proviso teq for 3 shifts (actually teq isn't even e2 so i am even further unsure how much % he gives)

if teq worse drop completely

thinking it should probably look like

jaye texas lap for 3 then 2 30% teq for 1

[meager meadow]

replace yato with silverash

[pallid isle]

oh yeah thats right he has silver ash

[meager meadow]

oh wait he is e0

this is the best he can do really now

[pallid isle]

yeah i think its this

[meager meadow]

at best, replace with snowsant if you grind her event

3 shifts?

that texas is not e2

she will get cooked in 1 shift if not less than 1

[pallid isle]

oh right

also snowsant checking needs e2 as well

[meager meadow]

meh she should be fine at e0 for trait

25%

yato is 15%

[pallid isle]

yato is 30

yato is 15 for factory

[meager meadow]

oh

[pallid isle]

he has like 6 30% workers for tp

[meager meadow]

then nvm

yeah this is the best then

[pallid isle]

midnight gummy yato mousse catapult fang

mfw so many others i did forget about checking get the same 30%

at e2

[meager meadow]

e2 gatekeeping is real

[pallid isle]

theres a ton i forgot about it seems

your right about texas

she should be run for 2 shifts then

[meager meadow]

why does office run 3 separate workers

[pallid isle]

for fun ig

there all the same % iirc

[meager meadow]

exactly

dorms will be crying

[pallid isle]

you just don't heal them all at the same time

and they run for 3 shifts anyway i think

[meager meadow]

rest ops button doesn't care who gets in

but i suppose you can adjust after the fact

[pallid isle]

also isn't grey spuria for 3 shifts then shaw lancet for 1 shift better for pp?

i misread oops

spuria only e0

so grey shaw for 3 and then spuria lancet for 1

[worthy elk]

@pallid isle @meager meadow https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKafWNNUowU1u01irmjQKQpJphAwmA0Ff0IlFUFj4Zw/edit?usp=sharing
got it. need to wait till monday to get the bropthya, somehow in the so long,adele doesnt have the bropthya picture as reward.
and get civilight eterna after i empty the event shop. then e2 silverash.
should be able to get shaw e1 and quartz e1 in few days.

[pallid isle]

then use lancet for right now over shaw

[meager meadow]

why lancet

[pallid isle]

and confess

well any robot

because shaw isn't e1 even

so hes giving 0

vs a robot that gives 10%

[meager meadow]

e1s are pretty cheap though

[pallid isle]

yeah e1 shaw is pretty standard

[meager meadow]

yeah im sure he knows he has to e1 the workers he uses

or well, he does now

[pallid isle]

so thinks to update

[worthy elk]

yeah missed that, now broke

[meager meadow]

dw you will get a big event soon enough

it will have enough dubloons to raise an army of workers

until then just run whatever works

[pallid isle]

amiya 3 rotations
proviso 3 rotations
texas lappland for 2 rotations
only run fang alter squad for 1 rotation then swap to vermil again
use shaw once e1

[worthy elk]

okayy

[meager meadow]

till then
focus on getting bryophyta from Ideal City in event tab

and try to secure civilight eterna afterwards

it's fine to spend a bit of originite in the start to speed up progress so don't fret

[pallid isle]

minimilist is from ideal city and bryo is from adele

[worthy elk]

3 rotation mean 0-12-24-36 ?

[pallid isle]

0-12-24

0-12-24-36 is fine for vermil becuase of morale reduction

0-12 only works for texas becuase she has morale drain

[meager meadow]

Man, they really do blend together

is that even added in events tab

texas can run 2 shifts only, yeah

[worthy elk]

is it something like this ? math is hard

[pallid isle]

that looks correct

[worthy elk]

another thing about amiya 3 rotation

[pallid isle]

yeah what about it

once you have ce it would be something like
amiya wis ce alter alter/filler for 3 shifts then alter squad for 1 shift

[meager meadow]

dw you will return here for advice anw once you get civilight eterna and bryophyta

until then, just make a dupe of the sheet and put that ideal shift already if that helps

[pallid isle]

oh i just found a tiny mistake

in the sheet

W does count for hoe if shes in the WS

for some reason it says she doesn't

[meager meadow]

jump jump jump on gato head

[pallid isle]

in fairness its also a mistake listed in the skill text

because small indie company needs more translation help

[meager meadow]

[worthy elk]

@pallid isle something like this ?

[pallid isle]

yeah

is viviana e0?

not a priority/doesn't have to be a priority but once you have her e2 she gives +7 to gravel and all of the pinus knights if you ever get any of them

[worthy elk]

yup got it today before thunderlady

okay guys thats it for now, thank you @pallid isle @meager meadow, its 4 am here and i'll take my leave. see ya later

got to sleep

good night

[wind otter]

gotta love op training week, base gets tighter than kangaroo bungole

[wind otter]

the game is finally playable once again

[stoic spoke]

good week

[torn meteor]

we were guessing how the person got their average lmd

[inner ocean]

I'm so tired of this set still dropping

I've gotten so many dupes that I always want to sell off

and I've already finished this set for so long

[wind otter]

Endfield releases Jan 22nd, I bet we get commemorative furniture

[torn meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1408287770333548625/CusSj3J.gif

[wind otter]

as if furniture would be a huge deal and not based on precedent

[torn meteor]

i just wanted to use my gif lmao

and since this is somewhat related to endfield it was perfect

[silent nova]

what the hell i don't have these furnituer

[fluid pollen]

Yea it’s ex Astrid release furn.

Like the recent popucom one

[silent nova]

did you have to do a web event for that

[fluid pollen]

It was just login to their web event

And claim the furn

[silent nova]

ok thats why

[wise shale]

To get most LMD of your TP.

• Get as high as efficiency bonus as possible.
• Set alarm clock to one monite before order compleye
• Swap Proviso into TP
• Drone to start a new order
• Swap Proviso out with high %
• Set new alarm clock
• Repeat every order.

[torn meteor]

ewww cursing

you wouldnt catch me dead cursing

[valid storm]

We will not as the is no Endfield

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1102179559807406170/20230430_192737.gif

bryophyta soonge

[fluid pollen]

[next hill]

I have only one level 3 factory atm, should I make it produce gold or exp?

[pale yoke]

yes

[fluid pollen]

Lmao

[pale yoke]

noods i got my own nymph now you don't have to set it up for me anymore

thanks

[fluid pollen]

Do uw Naran?

[pale yoke]

i got her from the free selector

no didnt have naran

[fluid pollen]

Will set that then

[pale yoke]

you already have her set tho

ascalon maybe

[fluid pollen]

I have Mon3tr set

[pale yoke]

cool cool

[fluid pollen]

But asca works

[pale yoke]

mine you just pick the racoon yea?

🦝

[fluid pollen]

Yea

[pale yoke]

[next hill]

[pale yoke]

answer is whatever you need

if you have like 2k gold bar we wont tell you to make more, if you don't raise character lv much there's no point in making XP

hope that helps

[arctic prism]

O wut you guys use friend supp?
Do you want me to set smth?

[pale yoke]

we use each other support for credit (granted i often forgor)

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

Oh lmao icic

Was gonna say

Friend supp in this day and age??

[pale yoke]

the only content i need friend supp is CC realistically speaking

[arctic prism]

Yea that makes sense lol

[stoic spoke]

maxed gummy and may for IS5

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

this feels so low now

[pale yoke]

i got 8k and 10 lv1 skillbook

[stoic spoke]

day2 didn't give me exp

https://tenor.com/view/w-of-babel-arknights-reunion-gif-27567831

[torn meteor]

free selector?

[pale yoke]

yea you can select any 6star up to nymph i think

[summer kernel]

I got the XP today is it just random or can you actually roll for the books/lmd/XP?

[pale yoke]

i got skillbook again

free stuff is free i guess

would prefer xp tho

[uncut dome]

[torn meteor]

when did we get this?

[fluid pollen]

It’s a joke about the selector from 2 months ago.

Finally cashed it in

[pale yoke]

exu alter event iirc

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-arturia-arturia-virtuosa-cat-breakdance-gif-10041680275404298311

[queen flicker]

i don't quite understand this. increase and slightly increase + increase are exactly the same

why e2 tailoring?

[astral tiger]

e2 bibeak gives "increase"
without that it's slightly increase (shamare) + slightly increase (e0 bibeak)

[rigid plume]

To have 85% for 4-Gold.

[orchid bane]

There are no Increase without E2

[rigid plume]

Don't watch the last one - it's only for showing that highest effect matters.

[queen flicker]

oh ok i got it now thanks

[spice fiber]

When orundum farming are we supposed to drone the factory making the shards or the TP if we already have some shards

[next hill]

should I level up the trading post to level three now?

[stoic spoke]

no, the factories to lvl2

pp to lvl3

[wind otter]

may be time for the straightjacket

[stoic spoke]

make shards in batches, and then trade

[next hill]

okay thanks. and should my only level 3 be set to produce gold or exp?

[stoic spoke]

mix and match

if lvl2 can sustain the current trading posts' demands, all good

using proviso requires more

[winged hollow]

you suppose to drone the tp because AO is being gated by tp btw

you can make all 5 fac for AO but only 2 tp for converting it

and if you manage make each tp 200% effective it take around 30m for each orders and you can only make 10 of it

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

each tp 200%

[silent nova]

how did you get 10 orders

[wise vapor]

For dorm setup, do you guys lock morale recovery skill operators? And if so, do you lock 1 single target + 1 multi? Or is it unnecessary. Running a 252 so all dorms lvl 1.

[winged hollow]

depend

you can go without recovery op or use each single and multi

the difference is the time you check them to switch out

[wise vapor]

gotcha, thank ya

[mint stratus]

i am using proviso and mr nothing in a lv2 TP. chongyue, ling, dusk, saileach, and amiya in CC. shu and yu in training room and crafting room. mulberry in HR.
wdym by collecting once or twice?
i only drone my exp factories

if it looks fine, then its probably fine. i dont have the most optimized teams.

bc i heard the return on investment is too long for promoting 5* and such for base

[torn meteor]

oh droning exp it looks alright

[chilly patio]

should i e2 tequila and bibeak for base?

[hushed harbor]

what's the best use for fiammetta, proviso and purestream?

[mint stratus]

.

production sanity equivalence comparison btwn my base and reference
254 < 266
looks like my base is below average or something

[arctic prism]

if you're running calculations based off the 3 day report in game, those are wildly inaccurate depending on the day and time you claim orders
the base reports in game show you how much you claimed each day rather than how much was actually produced that day

that's why on one of the days you're seeing like 20k while another day you're seeing 70k for lmd

[wind otter]

one last skill to master and I'm done, can I get a whoop whoop

[novel grove]

Does anyone know the name of this set??

Also, please don't tell me that I just missed it recently.

[wind otter]

Secret Occult Society

[novel grove]

Is that just out recently or already a long time ago?

[inner ocean]

for a long ass time

every medic i have is raised. The very first class I've "completed." That means I'm gonna use 9CD to convert excess T2 medic chips into defender chips to have a net even instead of a net loss.

[torn meteor]

no 6stars?

[inner ocean]

it's only showing the lowest level ones

[torn meteor]

ah

[valid storm]

So, your Breeze is E2 80?

[inner ocean]

there's E2 60s

and there's E2 caps

[valid storm]

So, is she E2 80

[inner ocean]

no

[valid storm]

[silent nova]

what if they release a new medic

[rigid plume]

Unfriend, Block and Report for being unfriendly person.

[valid storm]

you can't report for that

[rigid plume]

You can report of not liking this.

[valid storm]

what we need is splash medics

[rigid plume]

[silent nova]

i think we need a new medic archetype

i don't know what their mechanics would be but it sounds fun

maybe they do somethign with potions

[valid storm]

Splash medics

everyone puts their ops in a group already, so throwing healing bombs...

[silent nova]

i was thinking more like podenco

[valid storm]

I was thinking about Breeze S2

[silent nova]

coo

[valid storm]

but Pogdenco S2 medic...

[rigid plume]

[torn meteor]

folinic

[round lichen]

Definitely not Bibeak. Tequila pays off in about a year I think (assuming you already raised Shamare). You can put Eben or Kirara or someone else like that in the 3rd slot.

[torn meteor]

i wonder how worth it is to intentionally use say eben in the 3rd slot for more gold

[valid storm]

she isn't a splash medic

[torn meteor]

during skill she is

she just targets enemies

[valid storm]

which means that she is a harmacist

[torn meteor]

Attacks instead fire a Compound Drug Shell (prioritizes enemies); when the shell hits, heal surrounding allies by 150% of this unit's ATK, and deals 200% Arts damage to enemies

she will target allies if theres no enemies

[valid storm]

That's just Reedster

[torn meteor]

???

[valid storm]

she targets enemies and heals

[torn meteor]

except folinic can do full healing without touching enemies

[valid storm]

[torn meteor]

she PRIORITIZES targetting enemies

so with no enemies in range she has normal medic targetting

[valid storm]

Still not a true splash medic

[round lichen]

There was a point where I was doing 4 gold (using Sui as my main rotation and GPL as my sub team) and sorely needed gold workers. I was calcing total productivity % irrespective of facility and of course Mulberry + Nothing with the Proviso multiplier was better in HR than Whisperain. But when it came time to find a partner for Waai Fu in a Lv 2 Fac, I had to take Gravel out of Bryo’s Fac to get decent performance. So when I calced the opportunity cost of using Eben in that slot, I found:

Now I have Aroma, so this probably doesn’t hold true anymore

[torn meteor]

ty

[jaunty notch]

oh yeah gravel + vivi is compatible with wf

nice going

[round lichen]

I didn’t have Vivi

That’s smart though

[silent nova]

Wow

Hmm

I vaguely remember kirara in the third slot being talked about but I don't remember if it's worth it

+30%(?) on 4 gold

[chilly patio]

Thx

[silent nova]

Under that is +15% at which point bibeak might be better

Cuz she's approx +10% tp +9% gold

[jaunty notch]

[torn meteor]

ok i calced, drop in proviso quality makes your lmd gen drop compared to not doing this when droning lmd, HOWEVER if you drop a gold factory to level 2 then you make noticeably more lmd per day when droning EXP

(with my calc 57k vs 54k)

WAIT MY ASS DIDNT HAVE VIRTUOSA IN DORMS WTF

ok so with virtuosa in dorms you make 69.8k instead of 68.9k and the balance gold is worse assuming siege morgan delphine, maybe using kal instead of delphine would help but ehhh

[gloomy wharf]

is it worth to farm AO in base? what is the best number I can get?

[torn meteor]

i cant answer your second question but the first question the answer is a solid yesnt, AO is incredibly expensive to farm so its worth if you have a large stockpile of resources, not worth otherwise

[gloomy wharf]

okay, is there any guide for best base setup right now (is it still 252, what combo to use,....). The guide in help is old and many new OPs have come

[torn meteor]

check pin 4

best depends entirely on your account and how often you log in and its not worth pulling ops just for base

and yes its still 252

[stoic spoke]

she's usable in shamare tp

[silent nova]

i mean that was the exact context being talked about

[stoic spoke]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

[pale yoke]

I'm so close to start wiping friend list

[uncut dome]

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-christmas-arknights-shu-mas-gif-16038723580694959668

[orchid bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/648549379598450700.gif?size=96

[summer kernel]

Got xp again Don't know if it's just chance or if rerolling the coins makes a difference

[wild ice]

is that from the web event

[orchid bane]

Yes, from Shu event

[stoic spoke]

118M EXP, 126M LMD to max all my current ops

wtf

I guess playing consistently would've helped

[somber mural]

when's the intergrated circuits update?

[rigid plume]

Who?

[vagrant blaze]

probably meant IS
but why in riic

[somber bramble]

can i upgrade dormitory instead of reception room for control center lvl 4 req upgrade ? i was thinking i could keep reception room at lvl 1 and get all left side to lvl 3 late game

[stoic spoke]

Who should get the major and minor shift in CC out of Flametail-Vivi and Ling-Chong?

With limited suis, WP only sums up to 50 for now

Compared to 3x 35% EXP workers, flame-vivi-triple-pinus is 21% higher after using up 2 CC slots

So around ~10% FAC per CC slot

And vivi also gives 7% to gravel, so it becomes 14% FAC per CC slot

The Ling-Chong doesn't have any FAC productivity but 50% Mrnothing with proviso curse should be substantial TP%

[round lichen]

1. Are you still using both TPs at Lv 3?
2. What is your best Proviso partner when Suis aren’t in CC?

[orchid bane]

1 OP, maybe Cats with 41% idr
2OP, Delphine team 95%
~~ ||3 OP : Gnosis cursed team|| ~~

Oh wait completely forget Pozy team

[round lichen]

In a Lv 2 TP, Proviso + 50 WP Nothing comes out to 178% with Amiya in CC

[round lichen]

I wish I could give an authoritative answer, but it’s been years since I finished upgrading CC. I would imagine dorms don’t count, otherwise the optimal building guide (#r-i-i-c message) would say to upgrade a dorm instead of RR to Lv 2.

[fluid pollen]

There are players with 1313 tho, can’t remember the CC upgrading process either.

And Vinci was 2311 for like 5 yrs.

[chilly patio]

why is scene base passive good? is she worth getting from shop?

[novel grove]

2nd best exp team with vermeil.

dont you have tragodia build already?

[chilly patio]

i have tragodia

what does scene do?

btw all my exp facts are lv 2

[novel grove]

basically vermeil team is using the +CAP and convert it into "fac %" (verm 2nd skill)
Scene just to happen to have +12 CAP on top of 25% efficiency, which equals to ~46% avg if you paired her with vermeil.

[chilly patio]

oh damn, does scene need to be e2?

[novel grove]

Ye. Most of 5&6 stars need e2 for base skills

Other option for you is to pair vermeil with tragodia + miss christine

[chilly patio]

i have scuffed 2/5/2, so a bunch of my facts are lv2

that paired with proviso and i do need to focus my few lv3 facts on metal

should i still get scene if just fir metal?

[novel grove]

Nope.

Scene is an exp team

[torn meteor]

scene literally only is good as an exp worker

[novel grove]

If you use her for gold. She only provides 25%

Definitely not good

[chilly patio]

ah kk thx

[torn meteor]

but in 252 you only want to have 0 exp when you either have a huge exp stockpile, are AO farming, or more realistically when both are the case

[novel grove]

You can do aroma + waaifu or byro + gold worker if you need gold.

[chilly patio]

when is byro obtainable?

[novel grove]

I think his rr should be near.

So Long Adele, eyja alter event.

[chilly patio]

ah nice

does byro need e2?

[torn meteor]

yes he does

[fluid pollen]

for the intents and purposes of most players just the 30% flat gold is probs enough.

[stoic spoke]

1. Yes
2. Shamare, Firewhistle, Kirara in TP1 And Pozy, Tuye, Jaye in TP2, 4gold fac.

(Proviso doesn't work permanently, gets swapped in just before order arrives and then swapped out, in both TPs)

[stoic spoke]

Feels like 50 WP Chong-Ling isn't better; is only good for running during vivi-flametail downtime.

Only 10% TP gain (not counting proviso)

[fluid pollen]

Run MH and that number cuts to 9%

Just not sure if there are other good cc ops?

[queen flicker]

why firewhistle?

[stoic spoke]

anyone better except Ebenholz?

[fluid pollen]

Wait am ill.

[stoic spoke]

Lacking mh

[queen flicker]

why not tequila?

[fluid pollen]

Afaik 2x slightly increase still stacks

[queen flicker]

or already cursing him too?

[stoic spoke]

Proviso and Tequila don't work permanently, they get swapped in just before order arrives and then swapped out, in both TPs

[stoic spoke]

I don't want to trigger tequila skill

[fluid pollen]

Well then

[stoic spoke]

Swapping out shamare intentionally to lose her ramp, for proviso

[fluid pollen]

gummy for Leto.

But you only run 1 exp right

[stoic spoke]

Yes

[fluid pollen]

nvm

Ig wtv you put in that slot doesn’t matter as long as it has morale decrease.

[stoic spoke]

[fluid pollen]

How bout shove a Myrtle in there

Think she’s better than fire whistle

Like better mod reduction/+ order limit I think, doesn’t matter but Y’know

[stoic spoke]

Myrtle is in dorms

[fluid pollen]

Any reason to not have her inside/surely it saves 1 dorm slot

[stoic spoke]

Firewhistle makes kirara last longer so I can fia pozy team better

And the dorm slots haven't felt insufficient yet

[fluid pollen]

Myrtle has that same effect and better iirc?

[stoic spoke]

Oh, didn't check her tp skill.

She has self -.25 MD

Firewhistle is team -.1

[fluid pollen]

Ah

Firewhistle actually optimal for once.

[frank cipher]

30% -25md clutch if miss fia/rotation

[queen flicker]

her 30% isnt cancelled with shamare?

[fluid pollen]

Yea canceled.

He’s just using firewhistle for the team -.1 md.

[uncut dome]

[queen flicker]

so every skill that increase % is cancelled by shamare or is there any exception?

[fluid pollen]

No exceptions

[pale yoke]

AKSUALLY -

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1268115001571541025/Pepe_hiii.gif

[fluid pollen]

She doesn’t even take the Siracusa tp buff from the music band

[stoic spoke]

siracusann't

[pale yoke]

blame zyf

[fluid pollen]

Actual Vigil only buff

[queen flicker]

and why was ebenholz mentioned? his skill isnt cancelled?

[stoic spoke]

put ebenballz there for rosmontis +20%

[queen flicker]

oh i see ty

[fluid pollen]

Also he has drip and definitely improves your tp order chances

[winged hollow]

so for exodida for work I have to full dorm all the time?

[stoic spoke]

yes because mrnothing and rosmontis skills are dorm assigned operators count based

[winged hollow]

eben is also that

[stoic spoke]

yeah he too

[winged hollow]

why don't they make a 2nd wf her base skill is too good

[queen flicker]

so you use shamare because 90% and can fit kirara in there right? or am i missing something

[stoic spoke]

yes

[torn meteor]

90% and tailoring synergy yes

[stoic spoke]

and because I lack seige for glasgow team, and full suis

[winged hollow]

both siege?

[queen flicker]

oh i was wondering why not glasgow + kirara

[stoic spoke]

no, not for tailoring. don;t want to trigger tequila skill when there's also proviso

[fluid pollen]

Generic + 40% is too good to be released

[torn meteor]

shamare starts being replaceable when cursing

[torn meteor]

ok when not cursing tho the tailoring is an important factor cuz making tequila more likely to proc while also being 90 is good

[torn meteor]

doesnt 7% all tps stick?

[queen flicker]

back then i was sad of missing the 50/50 top operator tag bagpipe but now i understand siege was the best outcome 🙏

[torn meteor]

on a somewhat related note, it really is a shame umiri cant give plus 5% to shamare, thatd be so good for max right people who dont curse

excuse you its 5% get it right

[fluid pollen]

Get it right, it’s 0%.

[torn meteor]

thank you

[pale yoke]

to unit 🇽
to factory ✅

we have the whole weedy team playing around that shinanigans

[fluid pollen]

I wonder what is even the use case of bang dream tho.

[torn meteor]

i only just recently stopped being upset about losing top op 50/50 for suzuran to magallan, the existence of astgennealt gives me so much joy

[fluid pollen]

Like what people would use it logically.

[rigid plume]

Actually based

[fluid pollen]

[stoic spoke]

Shamare solving Racism

[torn meteor]

umiri is an option for max right people who want a small buff to vigil in tp and more hr, the others arent worth

[fluid pollen]

You’d need to be RR3, and build Vigil, and not have anything else.

[winged hollow]

what the shit

[fluid pollen]

Can’t even get people outside of this channel to build 5*s.

[torn meteor]

ok but lets be real, there arent that many good cc workers, personally id much rather umiri over eunectes too, fuck dead lancet

[fluid pollen]

[pale yoke]

i have many 5star built

[stoic spoke]

reason why pins -> link 8 is based

[winged hollow]

I have many 5 star built for pure base and gameplay

half of them just for base lol

[fluid pollen]

Epic

[frank cipher]

how umiri 5%buff work? need whole band or her alone

[torn meteor]

it works solo

and shes also 10% hr

[pale yoke]

i remember having this conversation and we concluded it with she ain't worth it

at least 3 times

[frank cipher]

where her place rr?

[torn meteor]

in an optimal environment sure but for newer players who dont have perfect workers shes nice if they use texas or vigil in tp

[queen flicker]

so shamare herself doesnt get the umiri boost (she is siracusan right?) but would another siracusan in the same tp get the boost or it is also cancelled by shamare?

[torn meteor]

cc

[stoic spoke]

no. shamare skill cancels any % provided by an operator in her TP.
The siracusan +5% is getting applied to the operators and hence gets cancelled by her.

[fluid pollen]

Well it’s 5% to Vigil so surely you just have to convince someone to e2 Umiri and Vigil.

[winged hollow]

so 45% tp for vigil?

[pale yoke]

also opportunity cost, by having her in who are you kicking out in this case?

[fluid pollen]

Well it’s for the people who have nth ig

[stoic spoke]

+5% TP for 1 CC slot

[fluid pollen]

Yea 40 + (5)%

[pale yoke]

if your answer is smiley face then we know in that case any % base ops is good for your situation

[fluid pollen]

Very stonknt.

[winged hollow]

I kick Lee lol

[pale yoke]

my thought exactly

[fluid pollen]

much better to just e2 the other options instead

[torn meteor]

doesnt she get the good skill e0

[fluid pollen]

That’s her passion skill at e0 iirc

[winged hollow]

10% HR so I put her in 2nd cc rotation

[pale yoke]

also proviso carries

[winged hollow]

to boost penance

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/1102179559807406170/20230430_192737.gif

[pale yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1446819530344108146/togif.gif

[fluid pollen]

[winged hollow]

amiya monchan eunectec mlynar umiri

sound good?

[torn meteor]

umiri def doesnt have a place in optimal setups but for those without exodia shes not bad

[stoic spoke]

why mweenar

[winged hollow]

why not

[stoic spoke]

eunectes/vivi/flametail

[fluid pollen]

Are you doing Ling CY Dusk Viv FT.

[stoic spoke]

dusk/ling/chong

[winged hollow]

I don't use exp team

[fluid pollen]

Uh

Well

[winged hollow]

I have better team to use for exp than pinus

[torn meteor]

even considering viv also boosts gold?

[stoic spoke]

Yato2/Noir2/Jessica2

[winged hollow]

that also you don't have to locked on certain combos

[fluid pollen]

He’s 243? I think?

[stoic spoke]

[winged hollow]

243 I use minimalist

and exodia run best with 243

[torn meteor]

there literally is not a better exp team than pinus its 126

[stoic spoke]

best exodia is 252 with right side 1323

[pale yoke]

again with the propaganda

[fluid pollen]

Best exodia is 252 1331, with dorm levels

Or 1321.

🥹

[torn meteor]

eww no TR

mfw i hurt gameplay for base

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/w-of-babel-arknights-reunion-gif-27567831

[torn meteor]

whats the point of being rich when you cant even max out your ops

[stoic spoke]

real

[fluid pollen]

But Vinci can

He’s just been marinating for 5+ yrs

🥺

[vital oriole]

lol

[pale yoke]

we get abundance of mats i have to burn it somehow

[fluid pollen]

Elo

[pale yoke]

vinci lurking

he hates us

[fluid pollen]

Fr

[torn meteor]

even if maxing TR is inefficient for base some ops are night and day between skill7 and m3

[vital oriole]

what is it worth if you can't even e2 all your ops

[pale yoke]

that's why we need to enable downgrading for right side

cope 6 years in

[fluid pollen]

Anw I’d like to be 1333

[stoic spoke]

1323

[pale yoke]

yknow what i was thinking? use pepe in lv1 tp, upgarde another fac lv by 1
essentially that's a 6 fac 1 tp base built

[fluid pollen]

You mean 252 with Pepe?

[pale yoke]

yea

[fluid pollen]

Yea I thought about it when she released but Zyf shot me down

[pale yoke]

but lv1 tp

so curse

[fluid pollen]

Surely it’s just garbo

[pale yoke]

only good when you have too much lmd i guess

4 xp fac

[stoic spoke]

https://youtu.be/9gd_orMZYws?si=66U1jpw9zZ_UkJYW

[pale yoke]

hard to maintain during sleep shedule tho

[fluid pollen]

If you do 21 tp you can do 33333 iirc

[pale yoke]

21 killed shamare team

insane but yea....

[fluid pollen]

Yea..

[torn meteor]

like look at the gap between lvl7 and m3 on saria s3

[pale yoke]

wont even have enough slot in tp for full sui rotation unless you just dont sleep and cursed every hour

[torn meteor]

yes i did spend all this time getting out of bed

[pale yoke]

b-b-b-baaased

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[fluid pollen]

You’ll just be years late but we’ll get there.

Can play everything except DoS anw

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1103717351444201612/caption-1.gif

[fluid pollen]

Don’t sleep ez.

[torn meteor]

??? im just pointing out there are ops that really really want the m3 on one of their viable skills

[pale yoke]

die within 3 years

[torn meteor]

nah just account share/j

[fluid pollen]

Oop ig we’re not getting there after all.

Actually just bot it.

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

he plays sl7 so he's at a disadvantage and hence more skilled

[pale yoke]

im just kidding, if you gona die just walk it off and you'll be fine

[torn meteor]

for all you know i play some obscure ass nicheknights that has exactly 2 operators i dont think you get to say that

[fluid pollen]

[vital oriole]

I've cleared everything for the past 5 years without it lol

[torn meteor]

im not saying it cant be done but there are some ops that really prefer you dont

[fluid pollen]

It’s a joke but it’s also just your decision

[pale yoke]

did you have a hard time during mechanist event?

[fluid pollen]

Is probs quite fine right

[stoic spoke]

more skilled

[vital oriole]

FOr the most part no, but I limit how much time I dedicate to a stage before I switch to a guid, with I did for the last stages

[pale yoke]

well i know people 3 ops clear that event, i know is possible

but like you gona go guide and stuff and also those are with m3, surely it's possible without mastery

[vital oriole]

most just to stop it intruding too much in the other things I need to do with my time

[pale yoke]

just figured it might be harder

[vital oriole]

rarely does it make a difference

only one stage has ever actually called for all m3s in my experice

[fluid pollen]

It’s only DoS right?

[vital oriole]

the Design of Strife S stage

yeah

[pale yoke]

robot kuhuhu

[fluid pollen]

Troll tier design

[pale yoke]

hey, i heard you like 9999 def

let me top that up to 20k

[fluid pollen]

Phys dmg in CC type stages.

Yep I do like tickling

[pale yoke]

pretty sure i did clear that myself with rhine team

took me days figuring it out tho

pic somewhere can prob find it

one can only imagine the value for m3 ticket in that case

[fluid pollen]

m3 ticket

[pale yoke]

yea the free one you get from the event every once in a while

[uncut dome]

[wind otter]

a curse a day
keeps the broke away

[valid storm]

2$ for a RR furniture set? That's a steal

[orchid bane]

[pale yoke]

imagine getting robbed and thanking them

[winged hollow]

absolutely that was fucking expensive

[halcyon nest]

just put greyy in the training room and went to rotate my power plant 5 seconds later when i realized my mistake

[frank cipher]

"lvlup right side and get free 5* operator"
"thank you very much"

[winged hollow]

you done fucked up

[meager meadow]

very late reply from me, apologies for that, but ignore me, i mistakenly mashed your response with another person down below from that time, hence the confusing response from me

[mint stratus]

no problem. thanks for clarifying.

[astral tiger]

is this a decent amount for a 252? (for exp, lmd and gold) recently switched

all drones on proviso

also it's right maxed 252

[winged hollow]

yes decent

[astral tiger]

alright

thanks

[somber mural]

base slave niche

[stoic spoke]

based

[willow dune]

sanity value: t1 skill book is ~1.5, t2 skill book is ~4, t3 skill book is ~10.
average t1 mat sanity value is (2.3 + 2.3 + 2.0 + 1.9 + 3.1 + 1.2) / 6 = 2.1
since skill book t1 -> t2 have less byproduct value than t1 -> t2 mat its better to use that for ncd fuel

@rose knoll could you revisit 9cd calcs considering how loxic kohl and manganese ore are now very low value byproducts 🙏

seems like it should significantly drive down the average byproduct sanity value of t3 -> t4 and make ncd kinda worse

[pale yoke]

I know what you mean lol

[willow dune]

rip kohl

[rose knoll]

both of my workshop sheets auto-update

[willow dune]

ahh i didnt see the second tab

mb

[pale yoke]

put it a negative value, it hurts to look at

[pale yoke]

Yea pretty sure yostar just lazy and just assign 1 mats to one account

[round lichen]

Cry about it

[pale yoke]

That's crazy, are you so soft in the brain you would cry about something so insignificant?

[willow dune]

bro turned it into beef

[silent nova]

i thought about this maybe a week ago and my 5 minutes of thinking yielded that it probably doesn't matter because her competition is similarly devalued

[willow dune]

the problem is that it doesn't devalue t1 -> t2 or t2 -> t3 crafts, which the competition is better at

it only devalues t3 -> t4 crafts

[silent nova]

i've done enough ncd calcs in my long long old life that i didn't wanna do more

[silent nova]

base is dead

the real shit is that the most exciting skills happened a long time ago because hg didn't know how to model their economy and nowthat they've realized how lucrative base is (to the point where many players aren't farming ls/ce so then mat prod becomes much larger than they expected) they're trying to make shitty skills that seem exciting by obfuscating it through like 5 layers of scheduling/virtual point fluff

[stoic spoke]

give me

I keep getting useless LMD

[round lichen]

I think you want to reroll until you get the balance coins

I got skill summaries from balance and exp cards from adverse. Haven’t gotten flower yet but I assume it gives LMD

[pale yoke]

Gib

[summer kernel]

yeah, ive gotten the exp everyday by rerolling for 2/3 risk tokens. probably the best sanity value out of the three options

[round lichen]

This is the value I get

Wait

If you don’t craft them up the sanity value of 10*(1.563) is higher

[summer kernel]

Thanks for doing the math. I thought 6000 exp would be worth more than 5000 lmd. Probably still sticking with exp though bc my ratios are so skewed that I probably would have to drone even more exp

[round lichen]

Honestly if you hadn’t mentioned sanity values I wouldn’t have bothered checking. I’ve had a 20 million+ surplus of LMD for so long that I would just take skill summaries because I ran out of carbons to feed my 9CD

[summer kernel]

Maybe there's a comparative advantage in getting the exp here rather than in base as well? Idk if the analysis below makes sense, even if the numbers are right.

Drones for 6000 EXP: 60 × 6 = 360 drones

Avg drones per gold bar in lvl3 TP with Teq+Prov: 203.4 ÷ 4.7 ÷ 3 = 14.4 drones per bar

Avg bars converted for 6000 droned EXP: 360 ÷ 14.4 = 25.0 bars

Sanity value from droning LMD vs 6000 EXP: 25.0 x (500 x 0.0036 - 0.912) - 13.7 = 8.5 sanity

8.5 > 18 - 13.7 so Droning LMD better than picking 5000 LMD over 6000 EXP?

This doesn't even include the value from the free Teq gold but it would skew it even more

[summer kernel]

Yeah if you need mats more, it doesn't matter if books are less sanity value. Just trying to see if taking the LMD if you drone any EXP is just wrong lol

[round lichen]

Shouldn’t it be 24 drones to create the bar + 14.4 drones to convert the bar to 500 LMD? If we’re talking about directly converting drones into the sanity value of usable resources

And idk why you’re subtracting 0.912 from the order

[summer kernel]

That's the sanity value of the bar. Since I'm only droning the TP, I have to subtract the value of the bar

[summer kernel]

Is it efficient to drone bars? Unless I'm mistaken, we only drone EXP Factories or TP. If you run out of gold, you just swap to 4 gold and any efficiency loss from your 4th best gold team vs 2nd best EXP is countered by Pozy.

[round lichen]

It probably isn’t efficient if you’re using Proviso/Tequila, but Proviso is notorious for eating gold. Gold facs could very easily become the bottleneck in the LMD production line if you don’t have good combos. And running 4 gold indefinitely means you will be producing a lot less EXP, so if you assume someone needs both EXP and LMD equally, it’s more fair to start from zero and end when you’ve produced the resource you actually need

[surreal plover]

Decent for 243?

[silent nova]

that's pretty good

[astral tiger]

damn, what setup are u using

[surreal plover]

• greyy alter in PP/whisperain in HR for formation 1 rotation. I'll usually use fiammetta on proviso when she's low but otherwise i just keep dusk topped off with her, otherwise i'll switch dusk with saileach at the 12 morale mark

[astral tiger]

nice setup

Mine is pretty shit so I'm barely making over 100 gold with 252 😭

[surreal plover]

how much can fully optimized 252's make? im not gonna change but i am curious on what i am missing out on

[astral tiger]

idk tbh

I was getting 85 gold in 243, switched and now I'm making like 102

not the best setup and it's a maxed right 252 so already losing on stuff

[fleet wolf]

idk abt others but rn my mright averages at 130gold 29 exp 88k lmd w full cursing

that was a few days ago tho i have t been logging in cuz of EF but back now full cursing again

and i just got ulpi

[silent nova]

88k lmd? ?

[fleet wolf]

ye full curse w shamare benched

[silent nova]

What is full cursing

Isit swapping in prov before every order finishes then swapping back

[fleet wolf]

yea prov on tp2, prov teq on tp3

[silent nova]

wow

[fleet wolf]

harder in the afternoon cuz i cant keep myself awake

[silent nova]

what's the roi in tradingin 4 years of life to optimize prov

[fleet wolf]

worth

[pale yoke]

normalize cursing

[fleet wolf]

night shift = ez cursing

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1231966167489576993/GC1abdVawAALh7T.gif

[summer kernel]

I get what youre saying and I agree that it would be easier to have a the same baseline but I dont think you get the full picture that way. If you select the 30 green exp and split your drones into bars and LMD, you have 0.5 bars less vs selecting the 5000LMD and just droning EXP because that's not where the base's strengths are. However, if you select the 30 green exp and just drone LMD, you get 7500 more LMD in exchange for 24 bars. At a glance, that also seems like bad trade: 300LMD per bar, but it is actually really good after calculating the material values.

But is that right? As you said, we have real constraints and dont have infinite bars. But also, how do you consider these tradeoffs without using the sanity values if you dont have a straight comparison?

It is surprising to me how you can select the higher sanity value choice: the 5000LMD, but come out behind in further calcs if you were to include efficient base products to match. Seems impossible to just trust those initial numbers/my instinct.

I guess this is proviso's fault

[pale yoke]

Suffering in success

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-arturia-arturia-virtuosa-cat-breakdance-gif-10041680275404298311

[round lichen]

I’m just confused how gold bars were found to have a sanity value of 0.912. If 500 LMD is worth 1.8 sanity and 1 gold bar can be directly converted to 500 LMD, how is the value of the gold bar magically being doubled?

[torn meteor]

droning lmd you can make 65k-69k by using fia on proviso tequila shamare without cursing

[round lichen]

It intuitively makes sense that taking advantage of the Proviso/Tequila multipliers would be the best bang for your drone value, if you aren’t desperate enough for EXP to farm LS-6

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1448650189270290476/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_ef56d0d4-f148-442f-a496-28ace7ae36d9.gif

[stoic spoke]

cursing can increase LMD from 55-58k (no droning) to 80-85k and we can use drones on EXP

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[queen flicker]

i did the calcs and apparently i'm at a slighty gold deficit. i can see my gold stack very slowly depleting each day. but then with daily rewards, events, green cert shop resets, etc i end up getting more gold anyway. like for example last month i had around 500 gold bars. and now i have 600. so despite the slighty daily deficit, in the long run i'm gaining more gold than what i can spend

[silent nova]

what's the monthly gold gain from nonbase

not counting stage drops

[queen flicker]

idk

[stoic spoke]

friend shop

[rigid plume]

20 from Green Certs shop

[stoic spoke]

monthy green shop

daily login

weekly login

[queen flicker]

think i'll switch to 3 exp for a while until i have 100 gold bars left

[stoic spoke]

event shop

too many variables

[silent nova]

ok it doesn't matter anyways im an -20 bars/day

[stoic spoke]

stack gold so you can battle inflation farm orundumbs

[rigid plume]

Wow

[silent nova]

who came earlier again prov or ncd

prov right

[queen flicker]

i'm at -7 gold bars/day

[stoic spoke]

NCD event: 2022/07/14 – 2022/07/24
Proviso event: 2023/03/31 – 2023/04/07

[silent nova]

Coo

Wow

This sheet old asl

[queen flicker]

it feels good seeing decent numbers after all the account damage done by e2ing so many questionable operators

[stoic spoke]

[torn meteor]

[stoic spoke]

Does that mean we'll have no more sui CC skills powered by Worldly plight?

[winged hollow]

may be

don't you see how ridiculous exodia is

depsite spaghetti progress it can work from fac to tp

[pale yoke]

about damn time we get more PI sui

[silent nova]

You've seen yu

Theyve seen how stupid it gets so they decoded to release a training room op for wp LOL

[winged hollow]

if they are so blind they would release more fac PI/WP sui

[silent nova]

Silence alt is not RL????

[winged hollow]

she is

max they can get is 0.97 smh

they are not that good but can stagger and versatile between mats so i use them

CC is too crowd to consider others combo

[fluid pollen]

Silence Alt is not considered RL.

Alters are just considered alters in base.

[summer kernel]

In Peter's sheet, the sanity value of a bar comes from the valuation of 24 drones. His value of a drone comes from making 500 LMD from scratch. So 24 drones for the bar and an avg of 23.4 drones to trade it in a standard lvl3 TP. We base our value of LMD from CE-6.

So,
(36÷(((203.4÷2.9÷3)+(72÷3))÷500×10000))×24 = 0.912

[pale yoke]

-for now

[torn meteor]

if that ever changes gladiia becomes crazy

and it makes RL damn easy to use

[orchid bane]

Also Vina become something really good

[stoic spoke]

[winged hollow]

then what do you them for

[stoic spoke]

Wait no, its wrong. Morgan only gives extra 35% for siege once

3*10% + (3*20% + 35%) + 0% + (30%+10%)

[orchid bane]

If Vina become Gasglow, my trauma for E1 Jaye is finally over

[stoic spoke]

165% if vina becomes glasgow

[stoic spoke]

Why trauma

Doesn't he get better for gnosis

[orchid bane]

I have already explained to you

Cursed Gnosis require him E0

[stoic spoke]

[stoic spoke]

How much is the displayed % difference with e0 and e1

[winged hollow]

they should sell un e2 ticket

[orchid bane]

Best team for E1 is Swire2 SA

Which is 129%

Atm 40% per TP slot is kinda casual

So Gnosis slot is only 9%

[stoic spoke]

[orchid bane]

You should really keep Jaye E0 you are cursed user, It might be useful in the future

[stoic spoke]

Why not exodia + glasgow + pozy 4 gold

[orchid bane]

I think you can't keep that team forever

You will end up having way more LMD than EXP

[stoic spoke]

Make orundumbs

[orchid bane]

There will be time you will want more exp from base

[stoic spoke]

And switch to 4 EXP FAC during orundumb production

[orchid bane]

So when you switch

That cursed gnosis will be good choice

You gotta get Degen 1st tho

[stoic spoke]

Only pozy gets nerfed during orundumb

Glasgow and mrnothing will still be better than 129% jaye gnosis

Right?

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1423883684183933058/7N04_M3.gif

[orchid bane]

Delphine make 2 tP slot worth 95%

So delphine herself is 15% for a CC slot

Still useful atm

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1101448428866773022/ezgif-3-a96bd92462.gif

Actually, since orundumb TP wants fast workers, why not have pozy tuye there

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-arturia-arturia-arknights-prank-gif-10857239531634162584

[orchid bane]

I have that

[stoic spoke]

Can't ever leave 4 gold facs then

Cuz I fia Pozy tuye kirara

[winged hollow]

202% if you use pozy

[orchid bane]

Will tell you this. My cursed strat require both TP orun

[winged hollow]

how many shard do you have

[orchid bane]

If I ever fail, it will become orun order which already can't be buffed

[orchid bane]

Less than 10 atm

[winged hollow]

then why you run 2 tp

[orchid bane]

I made some stupid mistake lately , I slept with really good % TP orun

[winged hollow]

I can run 2 orun tp with 202% and 169%

[orchid bane]

Cause I cursed them both

[winged hollow]

that AO was low

even if you cursed

[stoic spoke]

So switch to orundum if timer says 5 bar?

Something like that huh

[winged hollow]

I expect 800 for 1 tp

[orchid bane]

You can't do 800 everyday

[winged hollow]

I can

[orchid bane]

You won't have enough sanity

Or

[winged hollow]

I stock them before convert

[orchid bane]

You gotta skip event store

[orchid bane]

Everyday I say

[winged hollow]

I do it like stock them to a certain amount then convert not like I do this everyday

[orchid bane]

"Stock" mean you are stacking them and not doing orun

[stoic spoke]

How does this work

[winged hollow]

yep I stock them to 10k shard then convert

[stoic spoke]

Do you avoid 5 bar orders completely in lvl3 tp?

[orchid bane]

In like 50 min I will change to LMD with Prov, Teq and drone the rest

[orchid bane]

No that can't happen unless lv1 tp