r-i-i-c

[trail roost]

how come youre running thrm-ex in your power plant?

[eternal gyro]

Hei2, you guys know how's Eben TP skills compare to the normal +30% production worker? His description is confusing

[narrow valve]

Is it bad?

Don’t have many options just seems like he has the best abilities for me

[pallid isle]

yes just use anything that has better pp%

if you have nothing else then just probably use shaw

[wind otter]

Eben can go as high as 47% with full Perception Information buffs from all the combo members and conditions, and he can go as low as 10% if all alone.

[torn meteor]

i thought he capped at 39 not 47 or is it higher in 243

[wind otter]

252, if this was 243 it would be higher

[jaunty notch]

you get 6-8% more from Czerny and Iris in XX3

[wind otter]

[fluid pollen]

Simple maths of (90/2) + (5/2) =47.5 rounded down to 47. But will never come up in practice bc xx3 and low morale Ling doesn’t make sense.

Smh HG.

[torn meteor]

yeah in practice he will just be somewhere in the 35-39 range depending on if you use virtuosa iris czerny or not

theres an argument for not using iris/czerny just because of the pitifully slow return on investment

[wind otter]

I'm all about the practice

[torn meteor]

you would use virtuosa with him if you have her since shes actually worth building for non base reasons too

and tbh as much as i love eben hes not worth using at all without both rosmontis and whisperain

[jaunty notch]

nobody is worth e2 for base except proviso

[fluid pollen]

Tequila is.

[jaunty notch]

so your point is moot

and i know, you're not talking about just e2

[torn meteor]

i was saying most people wouldnt use iris/czerny for that reason

[jaunty notch]

in riic, everyone e2s their entire roster

[torn meteor]

ye for the deranged base people itll happen

[fluid pollen]

Basically doesn’t get used outside xx3, no one outside would pay attention to use him, you’re bricked anw if you’re considering him. Sounds worth building.

[pallid isle]

whats tequila roi if you know

[fluid pollen]

Like 2 years

• • for Fia or not e2 ramp.

[pallid isle]

thats insanely good compared to most that are decades

[fluid pollen]

I think

Yea

[torn meteor]

ok i genuinely dont think eben is that bad, he falls under having the potential to be meta we just need more PI pieces, and even then in some cases trading tp productivity for rosmontis productivity is worth

[fluid pollen]

Most newbies nowadays are just asked to e2 Teq with ticket anyway so basically free? Just find Shamare…

[pallid isle]

no need

just curse

[torn meteor]

most newbies will not curse

[fluid pollen]

He’s not that bad. I use him, but being one of the only users of him in a xx2 base setup in an already limited subset of people proves that he’s just super restrictive.

In most cases he is just that bad tho ngl.

[eternal gyro]

I checked the wiki, Eben's soundless resonance member is only Virtuosa & Bassline, i didnt see czerny / iris.
I asked about him because i already have Eben E2 (but dont have Virtuosa).
I guess if this is the case, i rather not use him ya

[torn meteor]

he definitely is super restrictive

[torn meteor]

czerny/iris/rosmontis/whisperain/dusk/ling make perception information which he converts into soundless resonance

bassline iirc is the same as whisperain for his productivity so he has near complete overlap in the pieces he wants that rosmontis also wants

the only exception is that only he benefits from virtuosa

his personal soundless resonances that make his baseline 10% are also because he makes perception information for each op in dorms

OK TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG bassline is 10 more SR than whisperain

still want to use whisperain tho cuz the whole reason to consider using him over mrnothing is that he boosts rosmontis gold production by giving her 20 PI

so taking 20 PI away from rosmontis is

[eternal gyro]

Ok2, thx Otoko. Im already "mid-game" but this is my first time to try optimize base, and rotation feature.. They made some description so confusing.

[torn meteor]

i strongly suggest looking at sample rotations that other people use, theres 3 different links with them in the base combo guide on the info page https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c

on the "special" page of this google doc is also all of the combos that require workers in multiple facilities

[pallid isle]

pretty sure phleg hasn't updated in forever

but gatos has a lot of different show case options and zyf is solid

[torn meteor]

ye the phleg one is out of date but its still nice to have as many different sources to reference as possible

[eternal gyro]

Im looking at it now

I see a lot of CC team is around Sui sibling ya, not many using Wis+Civ+Amiya

[torn meteor]

yeah its because chongyue is basically the same as wisadel and mrnothing is the best proviso partner when using full WP in CC

morale drain reduction is mostly important if you are using fiammetta anyway

[pallid isle]

even in rotations like mine that have level 1 office i use chong

its still a decent partner for specific cycles

[torn meteor]

wait what does level 1 office change about chong value?

no mulberry?

[pallid isle]

yeah no mulberry or wisperrain

[torn meteor]

even without those mrnothing is the highest productivity proviso partner

60% from one worker is insane

[pallid isle]

from the other day

if you want yet another refrence

[torn meteor]

it seems wrong to me to only be using mrnothing half the time

[jaunty notch]

if you don't have lv3 office it means you can get an extra slot on left side

much better than whis

[torn meteor]

for sure, but it is a death sentence to rosmontis as a worker

[eternal gyro]

What do you think of this? Wanted to try stagger combo, so i can "rotate all" per 12 hours

[torn meteor]

id use ascalon instead of amiya in formation 2 because it fits dorm slots better

amiya's morale for herself and CE is completely irrelevant

[eternal gyro]

Done with the switch. What about the rest of member, Alter combo is good? or Mylnar, and any Morale Reduction op so they last 12 hours

[torn meteor]

yeah throw like mlynar and some smileys as filler in the 3rd

oh actually make kaltsit mon3tr in 3rd

[pallid isle]

monster i found helps me out a lot

but my schedule and rotations and such are very all over the place so thats why

[eternal gyro]

You mean swithc Kalsit with Monst3r? because we shouldnt use both of them together right?

[fringe hill]

Worth getting these?
I own many ops already so I don't think I'll buy anyone from the cert shop anytime soon

[rare galleon]

Scene.

[torn meteor]

im saying in formation 3 use mon3tr instead of kaltsit to be another smiley for mlynar

[pallid isle]

just scene i would say

[rare galleon]

But dont's use gold certificate for Ops *5.

[fringe hill]

Wait for next CC?

[rare galleon]

It's better for ticket and *6 operator.

[eternal gyro]

I put krooster so she help with morale for alt op in cc

[pallid isle]

you don't need krooster though

[eternal gyro]

Oh, so, who is the better one / type for that last filler slot, maybe op that help morale recovery for dorms?

[ashen rain]

Hello im new player of ak i just wanna ask how to build the best base and how the rotation work

[pallid isle]

depends on what you have ig but i also wouldn't use mylnar ce together your better off geting monster there over ce in that top rotation shown

for a filler over krooster? reed if you have nothing else

[pallid isle]

start with pin 4

[wind otter]

noob tab

[eternal gyro]

Mylnar Morale boost can stack with another Smiley operator right?

[rugged phoenix]

Mlynar sends smiley morale boost to different set of facilities

It should stack but you better off getting extra production cc slaves

[orchid bane]

Well if that smiley make your rotation better then it is better than production cc

Like you are usually let your worker ded

Then every smiley count

I use mlynar + 4 smiley rotate with wis team

[torn meteor]

its like everything except training room iirc

[orchid bane]

Cause mlynar + 4 smile keep Proviso in lv2 TP work for more than 48hr iirc

And some other lv2 worker

[rugged phoenix]

If your worker dies its either you didnt cycle until its too late, or you do a longer cycle which isnt viable in a 252 due to storage

I think each smiley gives +0.05 MR was it?

[orchid bane]

Yes

[eternal gyro]

My brain is a bit here and there. What do you guys think? I will swtich Mylnar with production team, since i have fiametta for proviso

[orchid bane]

Bad

[rugged phoenix]

If you sac 2 slots for smiley, a mlynar, and have 2 flex leftover you can put like a gnosis and eunectes to do karlan team and purestream team

[orchid bane]

Mlynar don't stack with Wis

Better chage to alter

Or someone else

[rugged phoenix]

You get +0.1 MR on TP and fac thats like extended duration by 5 hours or smth i think?

If you wanna do proviso... im not sure which partner would be easiest and effective to get

[eternal gyro]

Real end game!

[rugged phoenix]

MH team need 2 CC slot

[eternal gyro]

Hope i dont put too much image here.. but is this good? For the rest of the room i think it is simpler, hope i dont need to consult here

I got no MH team. This is all i have (related to CC)

[ashen rain]

Wow bro can you make a record of your base and send it to me i want to copy it im a new player just figuring base stuff

[eternal gyro]

Eh, i am asking others about my rotation, im not at the level of giving advice. Other will help you out i am sure

[ashen rain]

Yeah fixing my base too ill show it here after im done

[wind orbit]

yeah, just try read the pins here

[faint veldt]

Can anyone help me find a sequence order to get this unlock?

[torn meteor]

easiest way is to temporarily hurt your drones to use a 3rd powerplant, normally itd be possible without that but since you have 3 level 2 facilities on the right you cant really avoid doing a 3rd power plant just to get the unlock in the first place, you can undo it after

just swap your level 2 factory for it then swap back after maxing your cc

[faint veldt]

I think I need 3 more buildings for lebel 3 for CC. So which 3 do I max? Worried about messing it up permanently

[torn meteor]

you already have 9 level 3 buildings you just need 1 more

[faint veldt]

Oh ok someone told me I needed 3 more

[torn meteor]

that person either miscounted or saw a previous state of it

[jaunty notch]

pin 4, step gallery

[scenic tide]

What you guys think

[pine peak]

did u just sanity droned everything

[scenic tide]

Yep

Wait no,only trading post

I dont have anything to spend the drones anyway ive been doing that for years

[pine peak]

do u have like 5 trading posts

or smth

[scenic tide]

2

[gleaming fossil]

Why are you even making green and blue EXP

[scenic tide]

I am crazy

[scenic tide]

Actually now that i read this i realized i missread

No i didnt sanity drone it

Just used the 225 drones the game gives normally

Its just the op combos that are too good and i kinda min max a little

[pale yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217

[desert quail]

When did the 3 additional activity rooms gets added to the base? I just now noticed them

[west tapir]

Ok so i tried to implement your ideas for better gold-lmd farming.
Got 5-10k lmd more

[pallid isle]

[west tapir]

Around exu alter event

[desert quail]

Okay, so not that long

[pallid isle]

improvement for sure. exp i think is about right for the operators you have

[west tapir]

Also im using my drones for xp speed up

[pallid isle]

not used to 4 exp cycles so

[west tapir]

Also did that

Rn im doing 2-2 xp-gold tier3 posts with a tier2 for xp

[pallid isle]

oh if your droning exp

thats not a good number then

something seems off

should still be in the 50's even if its lower production operators 4 exp factories AND droning

probably best just to see what a new set of days looks like with a new rotation

[west tapir]

Dont have enough xp-gold buffers for both cycles so i end up having to use a general 30% (roberta), totter or some 20-25% general/gold with -25% morale (figurino, almond, aroma, fedex e1)

[pallid isle]

technically you get better value from droning proviso as well

but if you need more exp right now then its fine

[west tapir]

20K feels kinda low

[pallid isle]

oh well with that balance yeah

thats understandable then that your doing 3 or 4 exp for now

how many gold bars do you have though since proviso will eat a lot

[west tapir]

Right now 2070 and doesnt seem to end in the negative

[pallid isle]

is proviso e2ed yet?

[west tapir]

Yes

[pallid isle]

thats gonna fall pretty fast then but with 2K it should be fine for now

[west tapir]

And if proviso falls out i just use an e0 tequilla/diamante/mythm/kafka

With a 30% in tier2

[pallid isle]

you mean when shes resting?

[west tapir]

Yeah

[pallid isle]

your 252 right? how many slots?

[west tapir]

Should have said that she kneels over

Yeah, wdym how many slots?

[pallid isle]

what are your factory levels and tp levels

[pallid isle]

ah like me level 1 office everything else maxed

[pallid isle]

yeah don't use teq there in the level 2 tp

just use 30% workers/highest production

[west tapir]

Still waiting to reach year2 so i dont have to worry about e2-ing units.
After a year of playing thats the hard wall i end up hitting

Also is earthspirit e1 a base skill damage?
At e1 she cant survive the night even with buffs like mlynars morale recovery skill combo

[pallid isle]

earthspirit isn't generally recommended anywhere so i wouldn't even raise them. you either swap them out after 8 hours

or you just keep one of these for much longer

in your case probably ethan acidrop utage or orchid

5% hr imo isn't worth the hassle

so i would just leave a 40% for full cycles

[west tapir]

Have her on e1 lv 40 or so.
Im mostly using aciddrop + whatever else

[pallid isle]

i just realized how cursed nightmare is

she gets the same skill at e2 💀

yeah i would just swap between acidrop and orchid

[remote bison]

wait blazealter is flagged EO in mantra's skill?

[jaunty notch]

Yes

[shrewd umbra]

What is training room for?

[pallid isle]

for masteries. Once a operators skills reach level 7 you can then train them for extra further improvement of specific skills. each level of the training room allows an extra level for mastery level 1 tr level 1 mastery level 2 tr level 2 mastery level 3 tr level 3 mastery. generally for early game we recommend not leveling it up right away since mastery upgrades for skills are quite expensive and to wait a bit

[stoic spoke]

skill level 10

[shadow frost]

Im a little curious: assuming you have all operators (in global, not cn) and any that need it are e2, what is the theoretical best base setup as far as rotations and combos?

I saw that redomegalul 🙁

I've been doing a poor job of checking my base recently, usually lmd/day hovers around 60-65k and exp is only like 20-25k unfortunately

[wind orbit]

just login and rotate consistently will fix that

[shadow frost]

I'm just trying to figure out if there is any further improvements i should make.. the TPs are shamare/tequila/(bibeak or paprika i think?) And the other tp (lvl 2) is proviso and quartz or mousse

If i can remember to do it, which doesnt always happen, i try to use fiametta to refresh shamare, tequila, and proviso so they are always working

I'll throw together a base spreadsheet tomorrow which should make it easier to help me lol

[pallid isle]

well first question is how many slots? then from there yes i agree make a rotation sheet

then next question is how active/cursed is your rotation

This is what all operators level 1 office for me looks like with mostly just 12 hour rotations sometimes some extras like gladia or if I have extra time which is rare a couple hours of cursed proviso. So yes there's a lot you can do to get better numbers most likely

[stoic spoke]

#r-i-i-c message

max left 252, it's from a year ago

[wind orbit]

is that with cursing or just normal 12h rotation

[pallid isle]

that has to be very cursed

[fluid pollen]

It’s mower.

[stoic spoke]

cursed

[fluid pollen]

Like, auto cursed.

[pallid isle]

oh

interesting

[fluid pollen]

That means it can go higher, but that’s the limitation of the setup.

[pallid isle]

well yeah since theres been updates to base since then

[fluid pollen]

Bc if you focus 100% curse it’s prolly like 100k+ lmd a day.

Even back then.

[pallid isle]

i mean idk that seems a litlte high but still

yeah you can get pretty stupidly high lmd numbers for sure

[fluid pollen]

Yep

[pallid isle]

not surprised if it can mantain a good 85-90K range for it now a days with a better found set up ig in theory

with slightly better exp i mean

because i have to remember also

this is 24/7 cursing

theres actually probably also a lot more here that i never figured out when i was theorizing a bit myself

finding a perfect rotation for 24/7 perfect cursing sounds like an interesting thing though

[stoic spoke]

wdym perfect rotation

it'll just be fastest tp workers

tequila and proviso stay in dorms and move in when it's time

[pallid isle]

i was thinking more factories and fia and moving around tr ws and stuff

but its actually not that bad at all

since its auto

its whatevers highest then just move in and out

don't have to worry about schedule at all

you can fia 4 targets can't you if your perfect about the timing right i think i heard about this before

[pallid isle]

[stoic spoke]

fia your lancet 2

[pallid isle]

brilliant

[pallid isle]

i actually don't know what you would fia

[stoic spoke]

highest %

bryo, purestream, etc

hmmge

why aren't they releasing more operators with fia base skill

[pallid isle]

permanantly energized base

everyone suffers provisos fate

[stoic spoke]

I hope the base skill designers don't read pins link 4

[sacred bramble]

gumi megpoid supremacy

teto on sui watch

[sacred bramble]

ayo i fuckin lvoe lauren bousfield

[jaunty notch]

[pseudo jetty]

Max left 252 have reception room at lvl1 if I plan to have lvl3 workshop and lvl3 training roomm

[stoic spoke]

still not enough energy (missing 10) for the last lv3 fac/tp

you'll have to keep either training room or workshop lv2

or keep only 3 dorms

[torn meteor]

admittedly using one level 2 tp doesnt feel bad because of proviso like its only a slight hit over full max left

[stoic spoke]

Is this a bug or does waaifu's first base skill (uneffected by morale drain from coworker) not work when aroma is with her?

timer goes from 17 hr to 14 hr for waaifu when aroma is placed

[queen flicker]

proviso is doing fine

[queen flicker]

something similar happened to me

[stoic spoke]

no, waiifu skill is ignoring coworker's morale draining effects

totter purestream don't do that

[queen flicker]

i mean, totter here should be able to work longer but he shares the same time with aroma

aroma has +0.25 morale drain right. totter doesn't. so why both have the same timer?

[stoic spoke]

aroma does it for the whole team no?

[queen flicker]

only herself

[stoic spoke]

hmm.. maybe this is just a visual bug

it shows 17hr for 23morale feater lol

[queen flicker]

i dont know what happens

[jaunty notch]

Have you considered it’s the cap time instead

Since you know you’re putting an xp op into gold fac

Cuz I’ve been letting aroma work 24/7 with waai fu for a long time now

I can guarantee the morale disable skill works

Also maybe you forgot that aroma has self md, waai fu disables that instead of skills that affect the entire team’s morale

It’s 79% then 109

So you save 3 hours

[stoic spoke]

I see

[queen flicker]

and do you know whats happening in my picture?

[stoic spoke]

sometimes it shows the time left before operator gets tired

so most pobably it is : min(time left for the operators before getting tired, time left for the facility before it gets full)

[jaunty notch]

so there's nothing new and you're just huffing on

[orchid bane]

What a blessing day

-# actually the 1st one happened ingame yesterday but still the same day in my country

[fluid pollen]

salt mines is the other way.

[orchid bane]

-# these can quickly become nothing if you are losing gacha . so...

[fluid pollen]

[scarlet juniper]

hello guys, there is someone who can help me through the setup of my base by explanning me combos? (to specify that i've tried to use the excell sheet i've found on internet but without any success)

[wind orbit]

Base calc spreadsheet from channel pin? you are meant to make a copy of that file so it become yours, you can't edit master file

there's base combo guide on pin number 4.. and other stuff to read about base too

[inner ocean]

Got Confess pot6 and only 2 slots in Recruit.
Should I just 1-hr every tag that doesn't have a chance of 4* or higher?

[wild ice]

shouldn’t you do 7h40 for guaranteed 3*s?

[inner ocean]

thats what i'm doing right now

yep

but i reckon it's gonna take forever to burn through the count since expediteds are always outnumbered by more permits

[jaunty notch]

should have used them more often in the past

though at least you have a reason to take robot tags

i just ignore them

[inner ocean]

i actually saved a lot because i thought it'll take a lot of 1 hr or 3 hr 50 to get Confess pot6

i did burn through a lot

luckier than expected and finished Confess pots early

so the "reason to take robot tags"

finished there

[jaunty notch]

the thing is why try and get pot 6 robots

[inner ocean]

why not?

I'm a collector

[jaunty notch]

ok that's fine

but value wise they're useless

[inner ocean]

why do you think i'm trying to raise everyone?

absolutely pointless

but i just love to have everyone raised

[jaunty notch]

nah that's ok

but the cert values and such for robots is so low i just don't care

at least lancet and castle gave medals

[inner ocean]

I'm aware

[jaunty notch]

so i got them

[inner ocean]

but cert value for me really doesn't matter too much in the Green category

[summer kernel]

how do you build up such a stockpile of recruitment tickets? I just do the two every rotation and one daily expedite ticket so thats atleast 5 a day. I usually run out at the end of the month.

[inner ocean]

only in the other colors for me does it matter

[jaunty notch]

true, i got 60k

[inner ocean]

for me to have gotten the amt of 550+

I just....didn't use any until I got 4* tags or higher (learning about Confess in CN is when I started saving)

and rerolled the tags

i also stockpiled on expedited

decent plans for anyone who wants robot pot6

[summer kernel]

i thought about only recruiting on guaranteed tags but I realized that you'd just stockpile since guaranteeds only come by every 1 in 4 tags

do you buy expedited tickets? Usually every expedited ticket from events or login comes with a recruitment ticket so the extra non-store income is 1:1.

[inner ocean]

1 in 4 tags....

that's putting it absurdly lightly

considering my stockpile, I'd buy some expediteds in the friend points store

yep

[summer kernel]

i dont collect the recruit data myself but I saw that the 4*+ percentage ranges from like 18-27% depending on how people collect it. Some people include refreshes in their methodology and only report the outcomes so it muddles the data.

[inner ocean]

from my experiences in expedited spam use of hundreds

it's not even 1 of 4

not even close

[summer kernel]

I think dropped tags and surprise 4*s are a wash. Theyre pretty much the same but the former stings worse lol

[inner ocean]

not even when i was hunting for Confess pots which means faster tags turnover

i didn't have that many times when 4* high chance tags got in the way of Confess hunting

[rose knoll]

I remember a recruitment dataset that put the 4star rate at 15% or 17%, don't remember exactly

1 in 4 feels roughly right if you're not counting refreshes as separate samples

[eternal mantle]

@jaunty hare So you're in the mid stage of building up the base.

What's your constraint? Carbon, materials, cash, drones, power?

[inner ocean]

doesn't it feel like carbon and drones are the gates while building your base as a newbie?

[jaunty hare]

Drones

[tidal cobalt]

Can someone explain how morale in thr office work??

[rigid plume]

Same is always. If nothing affects morale, the worker should exhaust after 24h.

[stoic spoke]

out of these two which one would you run

[summer kernel]

The office gets the -0.25MD from lvl5 CC but doesn't have any innate MD bonuses like Factories or TP. Skills like Mlynar's also reduce it so I've gotten 1.05MD with Penance but she still dies pretty quickly

[rugged phoenix]

Why is the baseskill combo guide docs have 151 mb in size?

[stoic spoke]

well optimised document

[vagrant blaze]

jusan answered this already, but yeah
just stop recruiting unless it's guaranteed
and buy expedites from credit store, because what else are you gonna buy?

[deep fjord]

I need something to compare my 252 max right side. Any leads?

Is there like a base yield I should accomplish?

[rugged phoenix]

40k lmd 40k exp

35k exp is fine for early on, but later 40k exp should be the standard

[deep fjord]

Is 35k exp on 58k gold good then?

[stoic spoke]

where did hauckindu and zyffy go

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1440163071824887828/Ceobe_Betrayed.gif

[deep fjord]

I think I may have minmax'd too late.... Too much spilled milk to even call it a spill....

[rugged phoenix]

i mean... gold is only a concern if you have gold deficit

doesnt sound like it

[deep fjord]

58k LMD, I meant

I feel it's on the lower side, but it's max right so I expected losses

[rugged phoenix]

higher than average. i would start working on EXP if you have issues with exp

[deep fjord]

Noted.

[leaden grove]

This is fine btw, 40k lmd and exp isn’t a normal amount to see, nor is it needed, since lmd demand is about 1.5x higher.

With max right, plus proviso and shamare team ideally, you can expect 60k lmd and 30+k exp which sounds almost exactly like what you’re doing

[deep fjord]

Soo. I'm fine fine? Like, a little more fine tuning and I should be good?

I'm also having gold problems with this setup. So I really can't go higher than 35k on exp without droning

[leaden grove]

That’s fairly common, with proviso, most people need to constantly have 3 factories on gold

I’m still missing a few ops to make my rotations optimal, but I’m at ~36k exp and ~65k Lmd average

[deep fjord]

Good to know I'm on the right track. Thanks

[torn meteor]

genuinely no idea what this person is talking about, 40k exp isnt normal in the slightest

[torn meteor]

thats plenty good assuming no fia

[torn meteor]

im about the same, i make 30k exp and 65k lmd on average

[torn meteor]

and 40k lmd literally is not possible with high quality tp workers

MAYBE if you only have 1 tp but im not even sure you make it to 40k lmd with 1 tp

[arctic prism]

you can hit ~51k lmd avg with 153 if you tryhard enough + have all ops but that's def not going to be most people

but yeah 40k lmd is quite low for a goal
40k exp could be normal if you're droning xp depending on what ops you have?

actually it's probably because that guy's tps are suboptimal that he's getting 40k xp

prob running 3 xp

[torn meteor]

ye the 40k exp doesnt sound too weird droning exp but why the fuck are you always droning exp if thats your benchmark

[arctic prism]

guessing he has bad tps that lets him get away with 2 gold 3xp
in which case those averages are just low in general

[torn meteor]

yeah thatd check out

but in that case why the fuck are you giving advice to anyone

[arctic prism]

[vital oriole]

does Shamare not get the 5%

[fluid pollen]

Apparently not

[stoic spoke]

[fluid pollen]

HG doing some funny things.

[wind orbit]

umiri famiglia

how long lings wp last if i only have these operator for Worldly Plight combo?
(i don't have other suis)
is it more than 12 hour?

[serene belfry]

Should i upgrade anyone i shamares team, only shamre is e2

[fluid pollen]

You can run WP for 16hrs with 70% Mr Nothing.

But to make it easier it only lasts for 1 shift yea

[wind orbit]

ty, so it safe for 1 shift

[elder cedar]

sorry can someone give me the exact amount of lmd needed to get a 10x pull when doing the originum stuff in base?

rocks too if possible

[wind orbit]

120x10 = 1200 rocks

img from AO farm guide in channel pin

and 960.000 lmd

[elder cedar]

sheesh

i need to actually figure out how to get my lmd up

i need to learn rotations

[wind orbit]

yeah that's why orundum farm not recomended for beginners

[elder cedar]

nah me no beginner

[wind orbit]

proper base will get 40-60k lmd daily

[elder cedar]

wait so if i have 39 mil lmd i can get around 39 multis?

sorry idk am i mathing right

[arctic prism]

You also need like 50k rocks but theoretically yea

Will also take quite a long time

[elder cedar]

i just need the rocks

[wind orbit]

that'll take a long time
i don't even have 200 orirock

[arctic prism]

lowkey i never understood the orundumb farmers

maybe is bc im coming from dolphin/whale perspective but at that point id rather just pay for a 10 pull lol

[frank cipher]

how demanding rock it's to e2 op/m3, need to save at least 200rock. -10k lmd, 0 exp when Ao farming, everything deficit,you can be day 1 arknight player but still new to riic. back in my day farm 1-7 was

[opal dock]

anyone know if texas base skill counts exu alter?

[fluid pollen]

Just pay yep.

[arctic prism]

yea just thinking about what it would be like in reverse, imagine there's a pack that gives you 1200 rocks and 1m lmd for like $10 lmao

and that's not even including all the base production time you lost by producing this stuff... if you include that it's probably several more mil xp and lmd

not to mention the amount of IRL time it takes to farm all those rocks...

[elder cedar]

3k atm

[arctic prism]

if any AO farmers would buy smth like this, I would seriously reconsider farming orundum with base

just skip the middleman and buy the pulls directly

[fluid pollen]

Cursed

[arctic prism]

[fluid pollen]

Could be f2p ig but like even that’s inefficient if you don’t already have monthly.

[frank cipher]

-# if you feel like start riic management, better start to whale

[arctic prism]

lol yea where would an f2p get enough sanity to do this while events are running

[fluid pollen]

Whaling is the only proper outcome.

[summer kernel]

I farm AO from time to time so I can't speak for the heavy rock miners but my rationale is that you either use your resources on building lots of off-meta operators (collectors) or meta operators fully (mods, max levels, pots for the biggest whales). If you don't care to build off-meta, the logical conclusion is that your resources will inevitably be used for AO. This applies to f2p and the biggest whales and is a spectrum. Obviously, the efficiency is bad but if you're a maximalist, AO farming for like 2 pulls a week is the better choice than stacking mats you won't use since you rarely build.

[jaunty notch]

yeah, imagine all the rocks i could have gotten if I didn't decide to e2 the entire roster

and then get all of their modules

[arctic prism]

I guess it's just a matter of how much you value sanity then? bc I guess once you think you're done with everything that you would want to do, your perceived value of sanity gets low to the point where it's worth doing this since the value of everything else is so low

[frank cipher]

you farm because your choice
i farm for my lifeline pulling next op after fail 300hh
we're not the same

[summer kernel]

I think its more about how much you value the mats. The value of sanity is kinda meaningless: we just use it to compare certain actions numerically. Like, no one thinks "running 1-7 for 4.8 sanity per rock is too expensive" outside of the context of "as opposed to getting T3 mats for 20sanity plus event shop currency."

Everyone likes pulls so the sanity can always be diverted to AO and always valuable. As for "worth doing" AO farming, I think it is because it can be up to 25% of your pull income depending on how much you mine and whale. I think more people dont do it bc 1) everyone says its bad, 2) the majority of us in this chat build off-meta ops 3) no one has a convenient guide on how easy it is like we do for other base stuff. There are plenty of casuals in #help that are curious but are instantly shot down

[arctic prism]

I guess a better way to word my previous message would be how much sanity value you place on a pull, rather than value of sanity

But also for the casuals that are shot down, IMO 95% of those are accurately shot down because they ask about it before they even have their core ops built

[jaunty notch]

the ones who ask in help are like a person asking whether that bill of cash on the ground is good, but then is pointed out that there's a camera pointing directly towards that bill

[summer kernel]

to me that's still super nebulous. In my mind, it's more like "Would I rather roll for Sakiko until first 6* [expected value of 35pulls] or build 6 random 5*s?" For me, I'd rather have Sakiko but if the gacha goes well and the next consideration is Mantra, I'd probably not AO farm.

[arctic prism]

Right side and it's not close imo
But thats coming from my perspective and values
If you don't care about exp then you're free to go left

You make way too much gold with left though so a lot of that sanity value will never actually be used until you switch setup

[stoic spoke]

What about left with auto cursing + droning exp + orundum fac and 2exp fac when tuye combo is down?

[arctic prism]

Lol idk you'd have to ask someone else on that one

[stoic spoke]

Does zyffy sheet have support for cursing?

[fluid pollen]

I like right.

[fluid pollen]

Err calculation?

No

[stoic spoke]

[fluid pollen]

But you can have unlimited shifts

Ig

As long as you can get stay even with gold and still produce decent exp, seems nice enuf alr.

[arctic prism]

Lol if you're trying to do more complicated stuff tho I'd recommend learning how to calculate this anyways
Should help in getting diff insights on some things without needing to explicitly calc eventually

[stoic spoke]

[arctic prism]

Lol once you wrap your head around it once it's not too bad

[fluid pollen]

Btw if it’s droned tp lvl 3 you shld have Teq inside too.

[stoic spoke]

Yes that only

[summer kernel]

my intuition is that something's gone wrong if you have to drone exp without running a second factory but pozy team with kirara on the second tp is a bit funky

[stoic spoke]

I'll have to calculate if doing this balances out the excess gold

[arctic prism]

o7

[fluid pollen]

o7

[stoic spoke]

But how to estimate the production from teq+prov dual cursing?

Probability of 4bars*teq multiplier + rest*prov multiplier ?

[summer kernel]

you have to factor in the different order times too.
I think if you do the avgs method, teq + proviso comes out to 1.62x or 1.69x, if you consider the time you get for Teq's "free gold"

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

[novel grove]

Does the furni stage (S2-11, S3-5, S4-2 etc) share a random drop with other furni?

Im looking for midnight blue self sets.

[valid storm]

lucky furniture can come from any stage with drops

the actual chances might vary

[novel grove]

a chance?
like each furniture has a different chance or ..
each stage has a different chance (drop rate) for a furniture

[valid storm]

second

for example the SK stages have a higher chance of dropping the lucky furniture

and as for the furni stages... perma furniture can drop alongside the lucky drop

[novel grove]

I never know about this

[valid storm]

I only know because I farm furniture

and don't waste your sanity on SK stages

[novel grove]

Dalao 🛐

I think im just gonna farm SK stages then. My mats are still stacked and it will last for a little while

[valid storm]

[novel grove]

Hi Cho

[valid storm]

how much you have

[arctic prism]

hi wall of text incoming to answer prev person question

[arctic prism]

gotta go a step deeper than this, for example:

lv 3 tp order generation rates (unboosted by tailoring):
1000 lmd (2 gold) = 30%, takes 144 minutes
1500 lmd (3 gold) = 50%, takes 210 minutes
2000 lmd (4 gold) = 20%, takes 276 minutes

factor in proviso and tequila:
2000 lmd (4 gold) = 30%, takes 144 minutes
2500 lmd (5 gold) = 50%, takes 210 minutes
2500 lmd (4 gold) = 20%, takes 276 minutes

average:
2350 lmd (4.5 gold), every 203.4 minutes

your tp% divides the minutes required to get final avg time per order. Can use this to calculate lmd/minute -> lmd/day
e.g. if your tp is +97% tp:
final tp% = 100% (base value for tp) + 3% (num workers in tp) + 97% (worker skills, cc skills) = 200%
lmd / min = 2350 / (203.4 / 200%) = 2350 / 101.7 = 23.107 lmd/min = 33274 lmd / day

[novel grove]

Currently like 8k because I made a maze on my base

[valid storm]

You should check out my top dorm thet

[novel grove]

and how can I do that?

[valid storm]

I can either send a screenshot or you can look up me ingame

[novel grove]

Send me ss please

[stoic spoke]

wow thanks. that was very nicely explained

[novel grove]

How many did you fit in there?

[valid storm]

A lot

it's just 35,260

[novel grove]

35k ambiance

[valid storm]

I think I could do a better one now

[novel grove]

Thats more than 7 full dorm

Did you just put all furni that gives the highest ambiance?

[valid storm]

not quite, but yes

it's space taken per ambience optimised

with some group bonus involved

[novel grove]

I can't even see the wall

Your dorm is packed as heck

[novel grove]

What is this? I never knew about this. Can you explain?

[valid storm]

So, if you use every furniture from a subtheme, you will gain additional ambience

[novel grove]

How much did you get from the bonus? Does it vary between each furni?

[stoic spoke]

89k with 195% & 125% TPs

[valid storm]

it varies by set and subset

[queen flicker]

thinking of raising this. what do you think?

[tame granite]

How to unlock Through the Great Expanses of Space and Time melody in riic?

[rigid plume]

A little pool for you all:

What clues are you get much more often and which one you don't recently?

[rare galleon]

5, either 5, 1, 2 or 3.

Damn it, it never 6 or 4.

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[summer kernel]

thorns2 is the only operator thats actually usable for gameplay but if youre raising for base, thorns2 and aroma are the only ones that are base-meta but still will not pay for themselves. FEater and other 35% EXP operators are decent. I would outright skip Vulcan, Fang2 and MsChristine. Vulcan's team tops out at 95. MsChristine with Vermeil and Trag are 101 which is again pretty bad since three 35s is 105. Fang2 is straight up worse than three 30s.

[summer kernel]

what team is 195% raw TP?

[valid storm]

Over the last year, I got all of them basically equally

[orchid bane]

Nice gif

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[rigid plume]

Funny.

[stoic spoke]

155 from pozy tuye kirara 4gold 4durins, and a 40% like underflow/Hoe/Kichisei
should be 160% + 135% ideally (pozy team + glasgow team) which will give 85k daily

[rigid plume]

Cause I have received so much 1s that I started to think Yostar tweaked chances to make them almost equal to it.

Long time ago I don't see anyone had any 1s in their desk.

So I E2'd Saria and Mountain just to bumb those numbers up.

[valid storm]

Log all of your clues

count them

[summer kernel]

how are you getting 120% from two slots on the other TP then? If youre cursing, why not just keep kirara in the same TP anyway?

[valid storm]

then you will see if there's anything strange

[stoic spoke]

yeah that gives 85k

[summer kernel]

youre missing kirara... Tuye+Pozy alone is 115 on 4 gold

[stoic spoke]

pozy tuye kirara = 160

glasgow = 135

85k/day

[summer kernel]

OK you had 195 on the first photo. I thought i was missing out on some mega strats

[queen flicker]

ok ty i agree on skipping fang. about ms christine, even if three 35s are 105, i still have 2 lvl 3 exp facs. like ideally one is filled with 35s and the other with vermeil trag cat team right?

[summer kernel]

I don't know how much you plan on investing in the base but usually, Pinus and Abyssal Hunters are the two main teams used for EXP and the 35s are alternates, meaning even theyre on the chopping block for high end bases. Cat-trag isnt bad but youre essentially investing in a team that'll get replaced, unless you dont plan on upgrading further

Also, I think Ceobe-Scene is better on Vermeil team, and Scene is much better than cat for gameplay

[queen flicker]

i see thanks. still, realistically i don't think i can pull all pinus or abyssal hunters team. right now i'm missing everyone lol. for automation tho i'm only missing weedy

[summer kernel]

Ceobe is also meta for a lot of high end gameplay so its just investing in Scene vs Cat, which is pretty onesided

[summer kernel]

weedy will come, trust. 🙏 I didn't believe I'd get AH team since i started pretty late but I've been blessed with shitty recruitments lol

[queen flicker]

but even if eventually i get better gold workers, vulcan team atleast can be used as a sub team right?

[summer kernel]

Vulcan-Bubble-Ceobe, her best team, is at most 95% after ramping. Thats 5% off from the baseline three 30s. It's terrible

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1440163071824887828/Ceobe_Betrayed.gif

[queen flicker]

ok thanks i'll raise thorns alt>aroma>feater for now, and prolly mschristine later

when will bryophyta event rerun?

[summer kernel]

glad to help. Just so youre aware, it will take years if not over a decade for the investment to recoup itself. Us nerds just like growing the base, but its not worth building if you care for ROI

[summer kernel]

it was Adele pink sheep, so youll have to wait for RR which, i think is early next year

[stoic spoke]

underflow rerun soon

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404911258288914472/1426779001422221342/attachment.gif

[orchid bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630553822036623370/1105211345101668414/oohy_arknights230508.gif

[vagrant blaze]

i had a two week streak of only getting a total of 3 6's across 4 accounts

[uneven egret]

Who are good sniper trainers?

I'm m9ing lemuen

[rare galleon]

Irene, she have 50% reduce time if you mastering the skills after you finished the first and second mastery.

[uneven egret]

I already halved it with logos and don't have her

I'm using lappy for that +35% speed

[uneven egret]

Also, don't have her

[rigid plume]

W.

30% Sniper, +65% if M3.

[uneven egret]

Also don't have her

[uneven egret]

I could use melanite

I don't want to build melanite but I could

[rigid plume]

Then just stronger Sniper%.

Or

If you have Logos.

[uneven egret]

Lappland 7 siracusans

[uneven egret]

Already did that

[rigid plume]

You're already on M2?

[uneven egret]

M3

I did the full 12h m2 and am waiting for m3

M9

[rigid plume]

When M2 to M3, you just switch Logos to strong Sniper%.

Best one is obviously W.

But since you don't have her, just normal one is enough.

[uneven egret]

Got it

But I'm almost done at this point

It's the last m3
My pattern was (for lemuen)
S3m1 logos
S3m2 ½ time then switch to lappy with 7 siracusans in dormitory
S2 m1 with logos
S3 m3 halved then lappy again
After that... forgor

[stoic spoke]

just sleep

enjoy operator after mastery completes

[wind orbit]

when this base calc will get update

[orchid bane]

it is just some time. you don't have to m9 her asap

use whatever you have after starting m3 with logos

[orchid bane]

this account clear daily everyday. guess what happened

[stoic spoke]

what happened

[wind orbit]

SSS skip happen

[orchid bane]

you can guess 1st
|| the owner cleared SSS but only normal stage at the end of the 1st SSS month, normal stage still cost 2 but only half the extreme stage reward and this can happen in 2nd month||

Eyes test

[normal lava]

this is good right

[stoic spoke]

low can be improved

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-life-is-good-pedro-pascal-gif-20311629

[fleet wolf]

havent done shit you have potential

[normal lava]

😔 do I need to e2 my base units or just get more better base ops?

[knotty flax]

i have a 30% sniper trainer, so that should be a 35% bonus, right?

so why does it work out to be only 75% of the original time?

(timer says 5:55:30 with a 30% trainer, for what should be 8 hours)

[arctic prism]

How are you planning to curse 24/7 though...?

[uneven egret]

Why 35?

[knotty flax]

according to base combo spreadsheet, all trainers have innate 5%

it checks out if you consider that it increases the rate that training progress accrues

(there are 10000 seconds, and usually you accrue 1 second worth of progress, but with a 35% trainer, you accrue 1.35 seconds worth every second)

[rigid plume]

Basic 5% from every operator putting on Trainer slot.

[uneven egret]

Oh

[rigid plume]

EVEN IF HE HAS NO SKILLS TO TRAINING ROOM.

[lusty spade]

8 hours/1.35 = 5:55:33

[arctic prism]

yeah it's not a -35% to the total time, it's +35% to the training speed

[lime steeple]

I noticed that Miss Christine is listed as the "second best" pairing for Vermeil + Tragodia, and am curious what the "best" would be.

(I am thinking of promoting her because I like the character and can spare the mats, so if there's like. an actual benefit. I might as well actually reap it.)

currently I use:

• Vermeil + Ceobe + Scene
• Rosmontis + Conviction + Tragodia (with Whisperrain in HR)
• and then just three 30% xp operators as my back-up

[arctic prism]

best is still vermeil scene pallas, which hits 106% after ramp

[lime steeple]

maybe i'll build my pallas. uh. ever.

[arctic prism]

it's probably not worth it considering you'll eventually replace vermeil team entirely but up to you

the combo i mentioned earlier loses out to just three 35%s unless they stay in the factory for 30 hrs due to ramp

[lime steeple]

realistically it's not going to happen unless i'm doing a bit out of fondness for the friend who adores pallas.

i'm surprised that im eventually replacing vermeil team entirely though.

[arctic prism]

it's mainly due to the abundance of 35% exps now

[lime steeple]

i'm clearly out of date there

we've got tragodia, conviction, but who else?

[arctic prism]

vermeil team with scene loses too much during the ramp up time so it's usually better to just use those

feater, crownslayer

[lime steeple]

ah see I don't have those promoted. good to know; they're both... vaguely on the list

[arctic prism]

lol yea

[lime steeple]

i know crownslayer is having kind of a Moment in the tryhard clear hyper-niche applications. i love making my base go brrr so maybe that'll be my motivation to get her squared away sooner rather than later.

[jaunty notch]

there's also pinus

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/wisadel-waltuh-w-walter-arknights-gif-3812010922944326354

I shall make my cat do it

jk

i can't

lmk if you know something

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-arknights-sui-gif-7073468061133619170

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

[uneven egret]

What game is that?

[rigid plume]

Webevent

From Shu

[uneven egret]

I'm guessing it's over?

[rigid plume]

Year ago, yes

[knotty flax]

hi, i'm stupid and i'm making (made?) a calculator to tell you when to swap in logos in the training room

you can save less than an hour

specifically, 96% of an hour

with a 30% trainer*

actually, i didn't account for logos' own trainer passive

[fluid pollen]

Hi actually I think there’s already a calc made by someone for this purpose.

It’s horrible to miss so generally not worth to bother , kinda just feels bad moment.

[stoic spoke]

uhh

its just work units no?

[summer kernel]

https://arkntools.app/#/material
"under irene calculator" in the functions section

[stoic spoke]

If a 30% booster doing skill 1, I need to set timer/alarm for switching to logos in less than 2hour, 18minutes.
So I will set timer for 2 hour 15minutes after starting the training with a 30% booster. and switch to logos when it rings

[summer kernel]

your numbers are off. youre going to miss it bc from experience, Skill 1 with 30%TR and Irene is a little over 2hrs. Dont ask me how i know

[stoic spoke]

the bottom half is timer for Irene with Guard, Sniper / Logos with Caster, Supporter

set alarm for less than 1hr 9minutes since starting

[summer kernel]

idk how to read your sheet but for Skill 1, you swap after 2hr and 2min for 30%raw TR for a class thats not boosted by Irene/Logos and 55 minutes if it is.

[stoic spoke]

is this more readable

[summer kernel]

sure but the sheet is just wrong somewhere. I linked a Irene calculator above

[stoic spoke]

[stoic spoke]

what's wrong in mine?

skill 1 takes 8hrs, assuming 0% boost, it will take full 8hrs, minus 5hours for logos, remainder is 3hrs

[spare pivot]

[stoic spoke]

at 100% boost it'll chop 2hr training per 1real hour, so 1hr 30minute real time with 100% worker will chop off 3hrs training out of 8hr, leaving 5hr for logos

[summer kernel]

you shouldnt spend time on debugging your work.
dont reinvent the wheel and just use a known calculator. those numbers have been calced and tested in game.

[summer kernel]

theres an innate 5% on every TR operator, so a raw 0% is 5%. Maybe that can fix some of your math

[stoic spoke]

I don't think mine is wrong. the calculator most probably includes a safe guard interval in case misses the timer

[summer kernel]

its not. if youre running a mastery right now, you will miss it

[stoic spoke]

i see

[summer kernel]

even without the innate 5% error, your numbers dont pass the eye test in your first image.

1. you dont swap in Logos/Irene for M3, 2) how can you have numbers greater than 8hrs for M2 and 12hr for M3 if you halved the time already?

[stoic spoke]

yeah that was made in a hurry

this is again without innate 5%

then it should be correct when looking at booster% +5?

30% worker + 5% innate = 35% => is 2hr 13minutes

[uncut dome]

[stoic spoke]

omg, welcome back dalao

[rigid plume]

Anyone knows the CN description of Amiya Guard's talent?

Needs to figure out, from whom +ATK and +DEF buffs: from Amiya stats or from their stats.

[stoic spoke]

okay fixed now was missing the innate 5% for logos/irene too

maths is hard

[fluid pollen]

Oh hey it’s zyffy

[queen flicker]

whats the optimal way to drone proviso?

like, can i add tequila or anyone similar before droning?

[fossil lodge]

is the pinned step by step guide for the base up to date?

i started playing not a long time ago but i think they changed something about the base?

[jaunty notch]

the new rooms don't affect that at all. It's up to date

and will forever be, cause like hell HG gonna remake the base

@stoic spoke check links in TR

[stoic spoke]

[fossil lodge]

cool tyvm

[blazing lava]

do you guys think that we will, one day, be able to downgrade offices and receptions?!??!!

[jaunty notch]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-saber-kamen-rider-falchion-bacht-bahato-masashi-taniguchi-gif-21577602

[queen flicker]

is anyone using only 3 dorms with max left? is manageable or is it a pain?

[leaden grove]

I’m not but the answer is yes

It’s a pain if you don’t manage it

Less room for error

But it can be done

[queen flicker]

whats e1 totter avg % in 24h?

in a lvl 3 fac

[jaunty notch]

i use only 2 dorms

iykyk @arctic prism

also it's pretty troublesome to try and remember whether you have to throw delphine out

and atp i just forgot whether my orders are buffed or not

indicator for buff during countdown when

[stoic spoke]

[arctic prism]

Yea I tried this once and just decided nope not gonna do it for 0.3% lmao

Adds even more overhead to already complicated rotations

[queen flicker]

im trying to calc it myself but idk

[arctic prism]

depends on what you're running in cc
if no chongyue or mlynar in lv3 fac:
morale drain per hr = 1 - 0.1 - 0.25 = 0.65
time per prod reduction = 4 / 0.65 = 6.15 hr
across 24 hr:
30% for 6.15h
25% for 6.15h
20% for 6.15h
25% for 5.54h
averages out to 25%

[queen flicker]

thank you so much

i was having problems with his e1 thing. the +10% when half morale

[remote bison]

damn droning gold barely does anything

i need to slot them into lvl3

[pale yoke]

Proviso effect

[serene belfry]

Isnt the percentage suppose to be higher, there are 4 durins

[arctic prism]

are they all e2?

[serene belfry]

No

nvm

[knotty flax]

can someone start an 8h training with any trainer?

[knotty flax]

nice to know that my math at least works out lmfao

lemme just edge that 13 second window to swap in logoat

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/lemuen-gif-2472099799089747521

[knotty flax]

it's useless because there's already a reliable calculator, but:
from starting with melanite, (+30%), you get a 35% bonus
the time required with melanite is 5:55:30. we can do a bit of math to then know that:
"every 1 second, 1.35 seconds worth of training is accomplished"
so therefore, logoat with no bonus will accomplish 1.05 seconds of work in 1 second as well

logoat needs to train for 5 hours in real time, therefore he will accomplish 5.25h of work in that time
meaning there is (8-5.25) hours of work left to do
(8-5.25) hours of work can be accomplished in (8-5.25)/1.35 hours of time

[queen flicker]

right now i'm 252 max left except for one tp at lvl 2 with proviso but i was thinking, maybe i can do lvl 3 tp and 3 dorms. i've seen the best lvl 3 team with proviso is morgan and siege with delphine in cc, which i can do. the best lvl 2 team is mr nothing with full wp team right, but i'm missing like everyone and needs hr at lvl 3. so what do you think? worth the glasgow e2s and the drawback of only 3 dorms?

i could add tequila before droning too

[stoic spoke]

does shamare's "higher yield" gold order ramp reset when she's removed?

I need to reset her ramp to proviso/teq curse that tp.

as shamare's 90% is actually pretty good when keeping kirara in the same tp

when kirara has to be there, the best combo for the two remaining slots is morgan+siege which also uses a CC slot for giving 95% which is only 5% higher than shamare's 90% (and I'm missing Siege )

so now there is an empty tp slot too with shamare+kirara

is there some fac worker skill that requires someone to be in a tp?

[fluid pollen]

Like requires?

[stoic spoke]

yes

I have a spare space in the shamare kirara tp

how to use it properly

[fluid pollen]

Oh as in you need a good one…

Ebenholz?

[stoic spoke]

no, the tp productivity doesn't matter shamare will cancel it

[fluid pollen]

Ye ik what you meant.

[stoic spoke]

I want to buff fac with that tp slot

[fluid pollen]

This guy

[stoic spoke]

missing exodia unfortunately

[fluid pollen]

[stoic spoke]

Noted, will pul ebenholz in the future

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1427570248034553986/119611391-nian___LETS_GO_GAMBLING_2.gif

[fluid pollen]

[stoic spoke]

missing dusk and eben

[stoic spoke]

is there a list of all base skills?

I'll scan through em all

[stoic spoke]

there's Leto for 35% EXP

meh

[pallid isle]

what does leto need again

i forgot about them

could be useful to me for easier staggering

[pallid isle]

well actually ig not really since when i am not cursing teq is there

and if i am cursing

i just ya know

stagger more often

so yeah

in refrence to using other 35% exp users that is

[stoic spoke]

[pallid isle]

in your case

theres firewhisle

but thats pure morale gain and nothing else

but better then straight up literally nothing

[stoic spoke]

if you have eben, he'll give 20% to ros

[pallid isle]

i think i did the math on all this before

and its kinda already close to what i already do cursed wise

pretty sure its better to do what your talking about kiara shamare eben pozy tuyve in other tp then you use full exodia and ros for a level 3 hr

but for my case

delphine glasglow and pozy tuyve is almost just as good

or i think its like borderline the same% or super close

because level 1 hr

[stoic spoke]

I'm doing 2x lv3 TP

and lv1 HR

lv3 HR would've been nice

but uhh

[pallid isle]

max left?

[stoic spoke]

yeah

max-1

[pallid isle]

ah ok

because level 3 tr?

[stoic spoke]

yeah

[pallid isle]

any reason why your not doing level 2 tp then?

i assume 3 or more gold factories?

[stoic spoke]

the fac getting lv3 would be weedy's, which doesn't have good worker

passenger is 20%

[pallid isle]

honestly when i think about it in that way

its not even that bad to have rr level 3 in my case

because same scenario

either level 3 tp or a weedy partner which is

true weedy partners are quite bad

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390756814532378634/1101448428866773022/ezgif-3-a96bd92462.gif

[pallid isle]

thing is idk how to estimate like the gold saved

or teq by itself

but i figured that i am getting much better overall % base wise from glasglow delphine pozy tuyve

then i am from shamare pozy tuyve

[frank cipher]

you either run shama with teq or just run other team better than 120% tp. also sham teq give hidden 30%gold

[pallid isle]

i was talking more in refrence to cursed

[stoic spoke]

does it matter if ultimately not going into gold deficit, while increasing net daily lmd

[frank cipher]

oh

[pallid isle]

so the numbers in the spreadsheet are very helpful yes but the problem is theres no teq by itself number and theres also no number for proviso + teq in terms of estimating

so it makes me wonder if its still yeah like momo is saying better for the hidden gold buff

[stoic spoke]

pozy team with 4 gold fac is already too much gold

[pallid isle]

it is

so lets assume 2 or 3

a difference of 5%

[stoic spoke]

2 or 3 is meh

do 4 gold for 155% pozy tuye+40% worker if its lv3 tp

[pallid isle]

glasglow full 135% + pozy tuyve 80% (no kirara) for 220% total

or

shamare 90% + pozy tuyve 110% + hidden buffs

well in your case you have a 3rd tp slot

so add like 40% ig

[stoic spoke]

ye

[pallid isle]

actually i am also forgetting freeing a cc slot

[round lichen]

There’s no v in Tuye…

[pallid isle]

[pallid isle]

to add to this though since its a free cc slot you can add anything so even monster would be extra 10% then eben makes rosmontis a 40% base so its like another probably 5% over 35% exp or gold worker (7% if you sack 2 dorm slots obviously) so it actually just beats the raw % outright

which i remember doing all this before but maybe i am just tired now

anyway yeah thats not even counting gold buff

[stoic spoke]

pretty good right

feels kinda like dead lancet for cursing

[stoic spoke]

jessica alter for 136% gold

[pallid isle]

136% gold?

[stoic spoke]

the full team

[pallid isle]

right right almond

i don't even get to fit almond in my rotation

[stoic spoke]

maybe there is better use for that CC slot

[pallid isle]

idk if theres something that works better then this for 3 exp but i really need to run 3 exp since i have 2900 gold bars. i mean i am still flipping the sui and basic skills 14% tp 10% fac and not even having to use dorothy because i hard stagger tragodia now but still

[stoic spoke]

hmm for 3 EXP jessica alter isn't good.

I was looking at her because of 4 gold facs

almond could replace a metalworker

[pallid isle]

yeah so theres literally 0 reason to not flip sui and basic skills for an extra actual production cc person

in that case

monster/kal is the same amount as jessica alter in this rotation if your using amyia over krooster

so yeah jessica alter isnt good for 3 exp

[stoic spoke]

is this 12 hr rotations?

[pallid isle]

yeah

[stoic spoke]

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-arturia-arturia-arknights-prank-gif-10857239531634162584

[uneven egret]

What does Highmore do?

Ohhh for mizuki

[wind orbit]

wait, my ling is on 12 morale
but mr.nothing prod is still on 75%
is this mean i can just use ling on cc until ling runs out to 0?

pretty sure when my ling on 23 morale, mr. nothing have 77% prod

[rigid plume]

Making all Rhine-Lab and Kazimierz ops have the same base skill.

Which started to affect Mizuki.

[wind orbit]

oh nvm, ling 11 morale, now mr.nothing become only 62%
but still higher than my other worker

[azure topaz]

is this gucchi?

[normal lava]

Who do I replace for e2 proviso?

[wind orbit]

your highest % tp worker, like quartz e1

ideally proviso want lv2 trading post, there's explanation in base combo guide doc about it

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[normal lava]

do I replace gitano/mouse/yato or the bazooka girl

[strong violet]

@royal axle https://www.krooster.com/u/frazzydoof

lmk if the link works

[royal axle]

it works

[strong violet]

I was recommended fiamette who I don’t have

And some other ones

So I’m not sure who’s good with what I have

[royal axle]

also i was just redirecting you dont expect me tp help you,there are many other more skilled people here ask them the question u asked in help they are more than inclined to help

[strong violet]

What should I put in my rotations in trading post? These are my current rotations

[jaunty notch]

Assuming you don't have fiammetta, you can stagger between 3 teams instead

drop pozy team

[normal lava]

is this good?

its 67% effienecy but.. I assume it actually makes more than just that

the others have 100%+

could switch the bazooka one for proviso for 71%

but idkk

if I put the bazooka one with the laterno's its 97% woah

these three however 71%

not sure if thats good or not, or if proviso base skills will actually carry

or should I switch gummy for silverash?

61% yeesh

41 for texas, im doing something wrong lmao

[frank cipher]

71% good tiil you can 80% prov
other tp just run high % as you missing 4* jaye(don't lvlup him to start sa/jaye team

[normal lava]

this jaye?

silverash, jaye, proviso team?

[frank cipher]

idk value if can get higher than 71% you should, if not run jaye tex lapp(e0) or Sa team(e2)

[leaden grove]

That should be 76% + Amiya, which proviso brings up to effective 190%

[normal lava]

your right its 76% and that is a huge buff with amiya dayum

[queen flicker]

does gladiia just by herself in cc has no morale drain? or does it need an AH in dorm?

[strong violet]

wdym?

[queen flicker]

if i want to keep delphine in cc for 36h, i need atleast 2 smileys right?

[jaunty notch]

You can stagger shamare team, jaye team and another and don’t have to use 4 teams. Look up stagger rotation. If you have fiam, shamare team is permanently working, look her up too. Also pin 2 link 4

[frank cipher]

farm Ao
gamble
fail
regret

[jaunty notch]

OH MY GOD HOW ARE YOU SO RICH

[frank cipher]

342 sui 7% gnosis
probably already stack shard if not remove those Exp

[orchid bane]

farm AO
.....

[pale yoke]

Must be nice to have tippi

[tidal raft]

Guys am i doing something wrong when i have 500 pure gold lying around

[frank cipher]

finally proper red ao farm report, wth so high

[pale yoke]

500 is totally fine, there are people with 5000+
now that's excessive

[tidal raft]

yeah but i only changed my base for 3 days
Which means 500 gold in just 3 days

[pale yoke]

just make more xp

[tidal raft]

aight ty

[primal wind]

what his name ?

and whis

[rigid plume]

Enforcer

[rigid plume]

Aroma

[junior spear]

Hi i'm a new player is exu alt and lemuen good for TP?

[rigid plume]

Exusiai Normal is better.

[junior spear]

The exu, lappland and texas?

[rigid plume]

Yeah, remove Exusiai from this team, and put to Lemu.

Increase old team with some Order%+

[junior spear]

So its lemu, texas and lappland? Thanks

[rigid plume]

NO!

Lemu+ExusiaiSniper.

Texas+Lappland alone.

🥹

[junior spear]

Ohh okey. Whats the 3rd op?

[rigid plume]

Already told ya

[orchid bane]

Wdym, All my stat lower than yours

[uneven egret]

At 2k plus gold is 3-3-3 worth?

[pale yoke]

[leaden grove]

just make less gold for a while

[remote bison]

is silverass alter TR skill stacked or replaced on e0 and e2 respectively

at least on the 30% part

[jaunty notch]

stack. 80%

[stoic spoke]

[topaz sigil]

Guys, how does shu base skill work? Isn t it a copy of mr. Nothing, but for factories?

[orchid bane]

you could say so in a way

but 1st, she doesn't need to be in the factory for the combo to work

2nd She is not so good for a factory worker for now

[winged hollow]

shu and jie yun boost like 5% tp

[queen flicker]

is this the way to handle this 12 h rotations for this workers? basically because of aroma self md, i'm doing x2 shifts instead of x3, and adding a fifth operator in one shift

[winged hollow]

you can try pair aroma with waai fu to null her self md

[queen flicker]

i don't have waai fu

[winged hollow]

wait aroma didn't e2?

[queen flicker]

she is e2 but with e1 art

[winged hollow]

do you have minimalist he is a welfare

hold on you are 252 right?

so minimalist useless

[queen flicker]

what i mean is, usually i do 12h stagger rotations with 4 workers per facility. but can't have aroma work for 36h. so i'm doing this thing instead and i was wondering if this is optimal

[winged hollow]

yes but preset can't rotate 3 presets automatically

only the first 2

[queen flicker]

what do you mean?

[torn meteor]

not quite, it can do it if theres overlapping characters