r-i-i-c

[little saffron]

I rebuilt my gambling show room earlier 🎰

Now I think maybe it's not bad as I thought

[oblique swan]

is this fine? i have e1 proviso

[valid storm]

lack of actual gambling is disturbing

[torn meteor]

decent starting point, you prob want to increase your gold production if possible. heres my gold production, it isnt going to be something you can reach without a lot of high quality factory workers, but if we compare my gold production and orders received you may see the problem. with only 60 gold produced on a day you take 27 orders its not sustainable

i strongly suggest getting the e2 proviso then focusing on factory workers

[oblique swan]

ive been alternating gold and exp production, ive got a weird setup bc my right side is maxed

[torn meteor]

is your proviso in a level 2 trading post?

[oblique swan]

i have 2 level 3 factorys 3 level 2 so ive been alternating a level 2 between gold and exp since on gold it overproduces even when dumping all my drones

yes she is

shes e1 so im gonna e2 her down the line

leevl3 and level2 trading posts i keep proviso in the level 2 as much as i can

when shes out i kinda just dump ppl in there for trust or as much % as i can force

[torn meteor]

im curious how you are producing too much gold when droning lmd, or are you droning gold when you do 3 gold factories

[oblique swan]

3 gold

2 level 2s producing gold and a level 3

[torn meteor]

what does your level 3 trading post look like most of the time?

[oblique swan]

diamante shamare tequila

shamare and tequila are e2 diamante is e0

when its not them i usually put in jaye lappland and texas

e0 e0 e0 each

[torn meteor]

ok they you should be at a similar order count to me so i struggle to see how you are overproducing gold when droning tp

[oblique swan]

i dont know

when i have the factory doing exp it goes at a loss but when i had it on gold i ended up with surplus

i could try and do like a base overview

[torn meteor]

in that case focus on getting the proviso e2

[oblique swan]

i will, im just waiting to see if i pull trago

[sly compass]

is there a guide to setting up rotations with the PI/WP team and what teams to use in their downtime/with them in open facilities

[paper radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14WzOA_cNpvG_PCHrtpxBgBpQWh4I1_TRgFPqk12W_lo/edit?usp=drivesdk
this is a sample rotation, although i don’t think wp needs to be used with pi, there are more efficient combos

there’s a few of these sheets in the base guide

[torn meteor]

is there though? rosmontis is part of one of the best bases in the game

[fluid pollen]

There’s the WP PI split but if you’re not bothering with that and just looking for standard then sample on base calc is fine.

[torn meteor]

wp pi split?

[fluid pollen]

Yea you could just have Ling CY, and Dusk separately.

For MR at least.

Or even morale management to run Ling Dusk.

[keen gale]

Is this an average production of lmd of 252?

[fluid pollen]

Quite below average.

[rigid plume]

No. It's even lower than 243, actually.

[fluid pollen]

243 usually has more lmd conversion though, due to 2 lvl 3 TPs, and more drones available. Just pales in sustainability in comparison.

[keen gale]

My factory lvl is like x2 III and x3 II

Should i turn 2 into III or just 1?

[torn meteor]

i really dont like that idea, maybe if there was more payoff but mrnothing is the only good user of WP

and since rosmontis is a high quality factory worker that starts being underwhelming if you run mulberry id rather just group them together for more uptime of each even if the ceiling is a bit lower individually

[fluid pollen]

In theory you’re just running Mul Whis swap as well.

And Nothing/Ros Eben for half 13/11 each.

So it’s not like you’re running Mul with Ros or Nothing with Whis.

[stoic spoke]

remove ptilo

[winged hollow]

any cursed proviso setup do I need to aware of?

[stoic spoke]

what's the 3rd partner for Shamare lv3 tp with Kirara, when cursing Tequila & Proviso?

the other tp has Pozy Tuye

[jaunty notch]

just a ramper

[rare galleon]

Only Bibeak i believe have substitues for her base skills. Tequila really must for Shamare.

[stoic spoke]

but the ramp up will be lost when inserting teq+prov

[jaunty notch]

you want a ramper if you're about to sleep and such

no?

you use bibeak pro teq

sham has worse ramp

the tp will have 0 prod kinda, but just time your drones with it

[stoic spoke]

for all time cursing

prov and teq stay out and only get in when order is about to be done

[jaunty notch]

then just sham pozy kirara i guess

[stoic spoke]

hmm

so, mr nothing + tuye in the other tp

[jaunty notch]

pozy is what, 40%?

[stoic spoke]

yes

should probably ditch shamare

curse with 2x lv2 tp

[jaunty notch]

pair her with trc

[stoic spoke]

I'm TRC less

Underflow then

[jaunty notch]

but then wouldn't that be kinda redundant

you want sb more than 40

cuz if not just put pozy tuye in 1 tp in the 1st place

[stoic spoke]

oh yes

mr nothing is the only option it seems

[verbal verge]

does the base do rotation from the different sets?

for example if i do mlynar cc on set 1, will it follow for the rest of the base to do set 1? or its random?

[round lichen]

@verbal verge As far as I can tell, the rotate button will start at set 1 and check if any of them are already working or resting, then looks at their morale. If everyone from set 1 has full morale and can work, it will send them in, if not it will check the next set. If none of the sets have full morale it will put in whoever has the highest remaining morale that isn’t working in another facility

[hexed crystal]

pog

[wind otter]

tragodia secured

[torn meteor]

i might be insane, i kinda want to do an asynchronous rotation where i switch factories and CC every 16 hours then every 8 hours and then just do TP every 12 hours

im not going to bother until i get andreanna but like it genuinely doesnt seem that bad in theory

the idea is just main rotation is worth more so i shorten sub rotation and use gladiia in sub rotation

[torn meteor]

this also works out such that i can switch to main rotation when i wake up and switch to sub rotation around when i go to bed and dont have to pay as much attention to the time

[arctic prism]

this line of thought is a slippery slope lol

at least it was for me

[torn meteor]

im not willing to do much more than that but i do think its not that bad of an idea because i already kinda do that by accident and im making way more gold than calcs are projecting me to be making

[arctic prism]

at first was like whats a few extra rots I just have to log in a couple more times a day

and that turned into full on curse

[torn meteor]

i already log in 3 times per day usually so its not even that different

the 12 hour logins are mostly for fia's sake so if i miss one i can just use jaye tp instead of tequila shamare for a lil bit

[fluid pollen]

Well if you think you have the time…

[torn meteor]

im not gonna bother until i get andreanna cuz im not doing that shit for 30% workers in my off rotation, but i think ill prob do it after

tbh i prob wouldve thought of this sooner if i didnt go "fuck using gladiia she forces 7 hour rotations" after seeing this template

[torn meteor]

i also think that having efficiency incentive in AK will help me and my depressed ass get out of bed earlier instead of lazing around 3 hours after waking up

[arctic prism]

i do also use my rots as a form of irl timers kind of like that

at least attempting to maintain a steady sleep schedule

ignore the fact that i completely ignore it at times and have to improvise rotations all the time

[vital oriole]

I was wondering wtf were these hours . . . then I saw Gladiia

[torn meteor]

yeah i hate it

when i was newer to base optimization every time i looked at this template i found more things to hate about it

[vital oriole]

I've been reluctant to move from a 12h framework just because the micro gets to be a bit too much

[torn meteor]

i think 8 16 is nice because if you sleep about 8 hours its just the length of your sleep you do off rotation

ig thats what the 7 17 is for actually

but i dont see the point in the 12 after i dont believe thats sauce

i believe more in a rotation like this

kal is mon3tr obviously, amiya is prob supposed to be vivianna

12h logins are JUST for fiametta

[arctic prism]

hmm if you use that one you're only using exodia for 16 hrs at a time when they can work for almost double that though

[torn meteor]

in that case its prob 16 8 12?

but thats less regular for timing

[arctic prism]

888 might be easier if you're willing to put up with it lmao
but thats more or less what i meant by slippery slope

[torn meteor]

888 is the same as 16 8 0 tho

[arctic prism]

er I guess what I meant is more like

8 8 8 8 8

lmao

[torn meteor]

ig i'll calc for 16 8 12 then

[arctic prism]

btw what do you mean by 16 8 12

bc if that's what im thinking your shifts are gonna be moving around all the time

[torn meteor]

its still a 36 hour rotation just using gladiia

because yeah increasing exodia uptime is really good

wait shit itd be better to plan for 48 hours

[arctic prism]

what i mean by that is like when you put it into practice
lets say you start your first shift at
00:00
16:00 (16)
00:00 (8)
12:00 (12)
4:00 (16)
12:00 (8)

etc

yea

[torn meteor]

yeah i see what you mean now im just stupid

[arctic prism]

nah ur good stuff gets confusing once you try to break out of standard 12h

[torn meteor]

i think im gonna start with 16 8 0 because its easier to implement and because im too lazy to make my own calcs and the ones im using only have space for 3 rotations

[arctic prism]

also a side note leaving gladiia in for the full 8 hrs is gonna bring the abyssals avg % down to 37.5 ~ 39% each, depending on number of smilies
which individually isnt too bad but kinda hurts since it's anywhere from -5 ~ 10% fac

zyf's sheet there are hidden columns u can use

which lets you add more

[torn meteor]

oh shit ty for pointing that out

[arctic prism]

ye lol np

[torn meteor]

the plan was to use 3-4 smileys with her

[arctic prism]

iirc that'll probably put it at roughly 39% avg so not too bad

[jaunty notch]

you're welcome

[torn meteor]

you have no idea how much the use of cursing in your template hurt my brain before i knew what cursing was

[jaunty notch]

also i actually let AH team work for 7.5 hours

cuz they were actually the most efficient

more than pinus team in a sense

ok so Cho

actually, gladiia on her own lasts 7h37m

cuz she has her own smiley

honestly, i'm too lazy to recalc every single bullshit that involves her

i didn't even put her in NOOB cuz i'm too lazy to add another column

[arctic prism]

lmao yea

i was just going off of rough numbers i had in my head

was like i remember ~7.5h no smiley

and also remembered calculating 7.75 for my own rot at some point which was probably like 2 or 3 smiley

[torn meteor]

just checked thatd be 2 smileys

wait wouldnt something like 24 8 be pretty feasible for rotation timings

rotations could happen at exactly 3 times in the day

[arctic prism]

that's more or less what i meant earlier by 8 8 8 8 8
4 of those shifts use exodia, 1 rest
you alternate using and not using gladiia
just rotate whatever needs to be rotated every 8 hrs

[torn meteor]

ahhhh

[arctic prism]

can do 3 exodia shifts since 4 makes it super exact timings wise

although i guess if you're using gladiia on 8 hr shifts the timings are already too tight so

making exodia work 32 is probably not adding anything extra lol
just makes it even more punishing if you miss rotation

and this is where you could start going into wack territory like I did with 4 rots a day

bc literally 0 leeway and gladiia overwork sounds annoying to deal with

but if i log in just one more time a day we can solve both of those problems

[fluid pollen]

One must provide leeway.

[arctic prism]

yea exactly lol

[fluid pollen]

I wonder if someone could be called Leeway.

[arctic prism]

honestly I wouldnt be surprised

[fluid pollen]

Maybe Lee Wai or smth.

[arctic prism]

if they released an op named that lmao

[fluid pollen]

[torn meteor]

im 99% sure that most days im going to end the gladiia shift early lmao

[arctic prism]

lol if so then id recommend sticking with the 3 exodia shifts

otherwise you just gonna start slowly pulling forward all your rots everyday

[fluid pollen]

Rmb Zyf made a 7.5 5.5 5.5 5.5 rot once.

Idt he ever used it.

[torn meteor]

that sounds annoying as hell

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

lol i do 5 6 6 7 so

[fluid pollen]

Om no more sleep.

[torn meteor]

nah you sleep during the 7

[arctic prism]

ye lol

i normally dont get much sleep on weekdays anyways

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

weekends tho shit is different every time so i dont even follow a schedule anymore it's just

look at ops

see what i need to do now and next shift

throw people in dorms as necessary

but yea slippery slope

[torn meteor]

just realized i actually am not supposed to do this until i get andreanna AND skadi because otherwise AH are just 30% workers and at that point why not use haze warmy spot etc

[arctic prism]

yep

cant use gladiia until you have all 4

[torn meteor]

surely they give us a 5th AH member

as much as i want to optimize my base im not going to prioritize pulling skadi for it, down the line maybe tho

[arctic prism]

5th AH would lowkey be super annoying to use too
have to split up all of them across diff facs

not to mention gladiia dying even faster lmao

[fluid pollen]

Have the 5th in dorm.

They’ll last longer!

[torn meteor]

yeah the gladiia dying faster is the most problematic part

[arctic prism]

6 hr shift gang

[torn meteor]

but it would make gladiia more accessible for people who want to get into base optimization

[arctic prism]

i never put gladiia in my sleep shift anyway in case i oversleep bc i tend to do that on weekends lol

[torn meteor]

most people can justify pulling ulpianus for base by saying "hes meta" but not skadi

[arctic prism]

lol yea

[fluid pollen]

The ah morale+ dorm part of the Gladiia skill never comes up bc we just don’t have enough, but if we get more then just shove them in dorm.

[arctic prism]

thats tru

but on the flip side

5 50% workers

[fluid pollen]

Doesn’t it max at 45 or smth.

[arctic prism]

not if you put them all in their own fac lmao

[torn meteor]

ok but what if they give us 2 more AH members so we can use gladiia on the same length rotations as now but get to have better production

[fluid pollen]

Oh rly oop.

[torn meteor]

up to 90% in one factory so thatd be 45 with 2 AH in one factory with 5 AH

[arctic prism]

honestly just give me a ling equivalent for gladiia and it makes everyones lives so much easier

[fluid pollen]

Might’ve gotten mixed up somewhere then, read wrong previously.

[torn meteor]

ling equivalent for gladiia rewrites base meta prob

we would just use it with exodia

[fluid pollen]

How bout no more CC skills.

[arctic prism]

i dont think it's that big tbh bc unless it had something else attached to it like 7% tp or smth

pinus is just about equal at that point

[torn meteor]

assuming you care about exp as much as gold

[fluid pollen]

Yes.

[torn meteor]

personally i care more about gold

[arctic prism]

think it'll end up closer to likea

whisperain vs mulberry situation

you pick which one to use based off your needs kinda thing

[torn meteor]

perhaps

[fluid pollen]

Both!

[torn meteor]

yeah you would just use both in different parts of the rotation

prob stagger them with exodia

[arctic prism]

ye

[torn meteor]

ngl i want a smiley with 7%tp

[fluid pollen]

Probs will never get released/it doesn’t help that much.

[torn meteor]

yeah its not relevant most of the time it just lets us 4 smiley gladiia while not hurting productivity

[arctic prism]

lgd tp smiley pls hg thx

[fluid pollen]

Nope all you get is Swire.

[arctic prism]

[fluid pollen]

How long does 4 Smiley Gladiia last?

[torn meteor]

exactly 8 hours

[fluid pollen]

Yep thought so.

[torn meteor]

it would have to be an alter to make timing looser

[fluid pollen]

and you’re never getting it.

[torn meteor]

sadge

[jaunty notch]

and 4 hour up time

also ngl that'd just fuck up optimal rots

since a lot of them go in teams

[arctic prism]

yea

thats what I was thinking too lmao

[fluid pollen]

Gladiia is a prize for having more fac slots….

Oh.

We’re bricked

[torn meteor]

ehh they might be less valuable outside of their teams but for example metalwork is a very loose team, pinus is even looser

a lot of teams only desperately need 2 slots to be worth using

[arctic prism]

it mainly just screws over automation which you might want to keep over AH anyways

[torn meteor]

yeah it fucks over automation but you are often using your AH during automation downtime

[jaunty notch]

actually no 5 AH is goated i can replace warmy

[arctic prism]

lmao

also isnt 5AH like a little over 6hrs?

or am i miscalc

[jaunty notch]

i just made up 4h

[arctic prism]

oh ok lmao

[fluid pollen]

Om

[fluid pollen]

You’re still using Warmy?

[torn meteor]

this is his factories

wait i shouldnt have cut off the timings lmao

[jaunty notch]

nah it's self explanatory

the search for new, better fac workers never end

[torn meteor]

doesnt that only get warmy out of the AH window?

eh still an upgrade

[fluid pollen]

Oh ic, standard 252 with AH.

[jaunty notch]

piss easy

[arctic prism]

lmao

i guess last knight works

[torn meteor]

actually i take it back what i said here i want more rhine lab ops that FUCKING DO SOMETHING

fuck using dorm space to enable mumu

[fluid pollen]

Well, unfortunately they all do nothing yea.

And HG probs knows and is just laughing.

As well as tagging alters only as alters.

Even cringier.

[torn meteor]

theres only like 3-4 worth considering

[jaunty notch]

yeah just rework mumu counts herself

she's literally the only one that doesn't

[fluid pollen]

Kinda vile. What’s she counted as?

[jaunty notch]

nothing

she's Rhine Lab

but the only one who counts Rhine Lab is her

[torn meteor]

ok but imagine if we had 6 ah to work with for gladiia

[jaunty notch]

but she doesn't count herself

[torn meteor]

ye she just doesnt count herself

[fluid pollen]

Well, probs no more AH.

[jaunty notch]

you literally can just rework her as: "+10%, +5% per RL including self mx 3"

she's still 25% max

but now she only needs 2 RLs to get max

[torn meteor]

personally im willing to sacrifice some RR speed in order to have better mumu with less dorm micromanagement, i'll just use saria in my AH rotation

[jaunty notch]

which now works with Doroty Rhine Lab Silence Alter

isn't that amazing

[torn meteor]

oh god yeah silence alter isnt RL fuck

[fluid pollen]

Too bad they just hate fun.

[torn meteor]

would they rework dorm skills tho? ig maybe if its still in beta

[fluid pollen]

Dw I have 5 Rhine ops in dorms for Mumu.

[gleaming lichen]

how does fia work? i e2'd her recently so maybe i should use her in base?

[torn meteor]

fia actually has all her base skills at e0, basically you put in the op you want to give full morale, then you put in fia at full morale, then they trade morale

she ignores morale recovery bonuses so she can only swap morale once per 12 hours

[gleaming lichen]

ohhh ok

[jaunty notch]

when the kitchen drops, 30 dorm skills will be reworked anyway

and I will then jump off a cliff

[arctic prism]

ngl all they really needed to do was

[torn meteor]

im fucking stupid i said dorm skills i meant base skills

[arctic prism]

let activity room count toward base stuff

lmao

[torn meteor]

yeah that wouldve been huge

[jaunty notch]

the answer stays the same

1 side

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902953181754032198/1430873746935251135/Messenger_creation_D4D5FBF3-7106-4A83-94F0-6CAC3FDD964E.gif

https://tenor.com/view/jump-jumping-out-of-window-im-free-bye-see-ya-gif-10874267

other side

[torn meteor]

literally all it does is improve qol and ig make almond a slightly better worker

[jaunty notch]

jess lost her place anyway

unfortunate

[fluid pollen]

You can have 1 op count for 2.

Which is probs why they didn’t allow it?

[arctic prism]

oh thats tru

[torn meteor]

i just realized chongyue says except dorm

fucking hell

[arctic prism]

yea lmao

cant do masteries while running exodia unless u throw them in RR

[fluid pollen]

Shu and Yu love that place.

[arctic prism]

personally i just use up nian and chuck her in RR with kazemaru

[fluid pollen]

I need 3 so…..

[arctic prism]

also it's probably not news for yall but i did find out the other day that using training room on a sui also counts toward the count for some reason

[torn meteor]

ok i didnt know that one, thats helpful

[arctic prism]

was masterying yu and found out that way

[fluid pollen]

anywhere except dorm and activity room.

[torn meteor]

tbh i might eben over mrnothing with the excuses of "more gold yippee" and "doesnt lose productivity when i need to do masteries"

[fluid pollen]

Just do the 13 11 Nothing Eben swap.

Least conducive for cursing tho.

[torn meteor]

too much effort

im not cursing i cba

[fluid pollen]

[torn meteor]

im depressed and going back to college in a few months i wont have time for that shit

[fluid pollen]

Sounds complicated but it’s just a regular shift.

[torn meteor]

nono the cursing

[jaunty notch]

Kaze Shu + Nian in WS. Dorm add another rhine. ezpz

[fluid pollen]

Ah.

Cursing is shite yea

[jaunty notch]

it's the stupid shit of maintaining BOTH sui and rhine that's the issue @arctic prism

oh and Durins too ig

[torn meteor]

all 3 is hell yeah

[jaunty notch]

but that's just if you're training

[arctic prism]

yea def

[jaunty notch]

normally 3 vacant slots is easy

all defenders

yu shu saria

nian can even rest during the thing

it's just that nian can't if you're training

wait no i'm tripping

3 suis in CC, kaze shu then yu in WS

wow my brain got so fried i forgot to put Yu in workshop

[arctic prism]

im lost

ig ur saying keeping shu dead

[jaunty notch]

yeah

[arctic prism]

so you can still use nian

yea makes sense lol

[jaunty notch]

shu is useless

[arctic prism]

ye lmao

[jaunty notch]

so i have her in sham TP to speed up her mood drain

then kaze shu in RR

yu can be in either TR or WS depending on how fast i want it

[arctic prism]

lmao might as well just give her some of 9cd's food no?

[jaunty notch]

Nian crafts

lmfao no?

[arctic prism]

since it's just one time or should be one time anyway

[jaunty notch]

i need my fat deer

[arctic prism]

lmao

[torn meteor]

a friend of mine is coping that 9cd is coming back, i think hes huffing lethal doses of copium but ngl i hope it happens

fuck crafting high tier mats

[fluid pollen]

Crafting in general is bullshit

[torn meteor]

i despise certain recipes, like the new material from chapter 15

[jaunty notch]

honestly tho Cho, weedy's the hardest to control if you're using AH anyway

since she still cancels them

[arctic prism]

yea thats what i was saying earlier too

you either suck it up and deal with 45 on 2 of them

or alternate using and not using her

[jaunty notch]

nah not really

[arctic prism]

which is mildly annoying on another level that purestream isnt restricted by the same thing

[jaunty notch]

it's just that the dorm capacity sucks

[torn meteor]

AH doesnt have enough uptime for that to be a deal breaker

ok true surely 5th dorm

[arctic prism]

oh yea dorm capacity sucks

but dorm capacity generally sucks anyways

[jaunty notch]

how does uptime matter in this situation

when I want to talk about letting them work

[fluid pollen]

5th dorm buffs Nothing and Ros and Eben.

Thus no 5th dorm.

Even buffs Jieyun om.

[jaunty notch]

obviously that 5 man AH uptime isn't enough for the previous team to rest anyway

[torn meteor]

ok yeah thats prob true unless they have floating morale from not draining fully

[jaunty notch]

so I'm just talking on a theoretical level, which in there, weedy can't work because you know every fac has an AH

[fluid pollen]

34% Jieyun

[jaunty notch]

anyways, Cho what I was talking about is that you can Fiam Pure instead

[torn meteor]

holy shit jieyun finally worth considering

[jaunty notch]

and shift Aroma up

[arctic prism]

aha yeah fia pure makes sense there

[fluid pollen]

Even 32 rn so worth, only if you have 80 WP tho.

As for the people with 95, they don’t exist.

[torn meteor]

i want the 5th dorm to happen because it helps ebenholz stonks more than it helps mrnothing stonks

[arctic prism]

kinda feel like tho with 5th AH you just gonn have to start doing more fluid rotations

basically what im doing rn lol

[jaunty notch]

it'll be sth like this

[arctic prism]

and gonna have to micromanage dorm

[torn meteor]

another 10 rosmontis productivity and 5 on eben vs 5 on mrnothing

[jaunty notch]

the problem still is that you'd rest PS and weedy/greyy

which is ass

[arctic prism]

yea

[jaunty notch]

and you can't circumvent it with dead lancet either

cuz y know weedy rests

[torn meteor]

WAIT WAS THAT WHY YOU WERE USING DEAD LANCET IN JUST ONE ROTATION? DORM SPACE?

[jaunty notch]

so using lancet to cover for muel is out of the question

no

Sui rests so Dead lancet is better as you have 1 spare slot for Eun in CC

mumu can rest in Sui rest shift too

[torn meteor]

im fucking stupid i misremembered it and thought dead lancet was in your blazealt slot lmao

[arctic prism]

this gets a little better if you split it across 4 shifts instead of 3 tho no?
im not looking at any actual calcs rn so cant say for sure but just thinking so you can rest automation separate from pinus

[jaunty notch]

4 shifts of what, 6h?

[arctic prism]

ye p much

[jaunty notch]

homie i curse, but i rotate every 12h

[arctic prism]

lmao

but if you cursing anyways

why not add extra rots

[jaunty notch]

worst i go with is 888

it's just "the previous rot recovered early so I put them in a lil bit"

though real talk 5th AH would be giving me a much bigger increase in % than muel's 5% PP ever could anyway

[torn meteor]

wait so was your gladiia rot just something you TCd but didnt do?

[arctic prism]

honestly tho i do lowkey agree this is the right answer even if you curse
bc once you start adding too many rots while cursing it's like what is a rotation anyway

and schedule falls apart

aka me rn

[jaunty notch]

so you can just use a 20% PP and be done with it

and no, I use AH exactly like how i showed the rots

the 12h line you pinged me for is just baseline

like "I don't do extra work cuz why would I"

[arctic prism]

yea honestly this feels like the correct answer to me too lmao

[jaunty notch]

the entire PS team recovers earlier than 7.5h anyway

i always let AH team run all the way

with only Gravel and Wf in early

cuz warmy and aroma ramp

let's see

generally 6h

worst case is no dorm helper which is 7h15m ish

oh yes

i use dorm workers every rest shift

[wind otter]

with a fifth AHs, if there are really tight rots, we could also send one to dorms

[jaunty notch]

all the hardship i mentioned means jack

yeah actually i was theory crafting 6 AHs

a 250% team that works for 7.5h

[arctic prism]

oh wut

lmao

[jaunty notch]

i mean think about it

you have 5 hours at 5 AH

i ain't no filthy 243

no way my teams would finish resting in 5h

[fluid pollen]

We’re not getting another AH.

[jaunty notch]

I've been saying this entire time

[arctic prism]

wait it's 6.5 hrs no?

[jaunty notch]

I discarded the morale limit and only focused on slot distribution

i have no idea

and I have no intention of calculating it

[knotty flax]

did someone say calculate

[torn meteor]

ok i just was confused there i see

[jaunty notch]

I only know it's less than 7h

and that ain't enough time for me to sleep

[knotty flax]

just rotate them in/out before you sleep and after you wake up

[jaunty notch]

we're theory crafting 5-6 AH

it's less than the 7.5h in the game

you're late to the party

[arctic prism]

ye i dont use gladiia while sleeping anyways bc im scared of oversleeping on weekend lol

[jaunty notch]

just set an alarm

[fluid pollen]

Gladiia is not worth the alarm.

[jaunty notch]

put your phone away from the bed

[arctic prism]

nah but i wanna oversleep weekend

[knotty flax]

how bad can it be tho

[jaunty notch]

i generally sleep less than that anyway

like right before shutting my eyes

flash flash

there, 7h30m of sleep

[arctic prism]

for ref i sleep maybe 4~6 hrs weekdays and anywhere from 8~10 hrs on weekends lmao

[jaunty notch]

the wage cuck life

[arctic prism]

yuuup

[knotty flax]

nah but like, what's the break-even point where full AH to dead and then some isn't worth running over 90%

[jaunty notch]

||i can use my phone on the job and i curse during work hours||

90% is trash so no count

only 160% and up

[knotty flax]

how the fuck do you guys get 160%

the best i can get is maybe 95% with conviction or 1.10 with bryohpyta/gravel/30%

[torn meteor]

thornsalt over the 30% for 116%

[jaunty notch]

we're talking about AH right?

it's 4 40%

[knotty flax]

okay let me rephrase

[jaunty notch]

of course if you're changing the subject

[torn meteor]

AH workers are really strong its just about uptime

[knotty flax]

4 AH and two 30%s vs just running two 90%s
how many hours do you have to oversleep for your lost produtivity to exceed the gains over the 90%

[jaunty notch]

ah so you're asking about how much are you losing after Gla dies

[knotty flax]

yes

i figured it's worth it for like 2h or less and then i started actually thinking lmfao

[jaunty notch]

you can think of it as 220 for 7.5h then 60 for the rest

compared to 180

aight i'll test a dumb AI for this math

Factory 1 makes 220 cakes/hour for 7.5 hours then slows down and only does 60/hour. Factory 2 makes 180 cakes/hour constantly. How long does it take for the 2nd factory to catch up the amount of cakes fac 1 made?

[knotty flax]

that's a terrible amount of typing, it's about to be epic or abysmal with zero in between

oh we haven't asked yet

[fleet wolf]

[jaunty notch]

easy

[arctic prism]

lmao

[knotty flax]

oh hey

i was mostly right lmao

[jaunty notch]

why would I ever use my brain again

[arctic prism]

for me tho the comparison is
AH + 7% tp worker in cc vs pinus

most of the time anyway

[knotty flax]

wdym 7% tp worker in cc

[arctic prism]

i have 2 cc slots after exodia

gladiia only takes up 1 allowing space for an amiya

[knotty flax]

wdym exodia

[arctic prism]

dusk ling chongyue

lmao

[knotty flax]

o h

[arctic prism]

so the difference comes out to more like

[knotty flax]

peanus sylvestrus

[arctic prism]

idk how to make this an easy equation

[knotty flax]

it's okay i'm only somewhat stupid

[arctic prism]

160 AH + 35gravel vs 126 pinus + 42 gravel + random extra 35?

195 fac + 14 tp vs 203 fac

or smth

zyf gonna be mad at me again bc i added gold and xp %

but yea smth like that

[knotty flax]

lmfao

[arctic prism]

so if gladiia dies it gets bad p fast

since the replacement is like not that much worse

[jaunty notch]

it's better to put it as

160% fac + 14% tp compared to 168% fac

they're both 4 slots in fac and 2 in CC

[arctic prism]

yea but i was just thinking you're gonna be using gravel anyways with AH with bryo a lot of the time

[knotty flax]

what is the ROI on peanits sylvestrus/rhine team like

[jaunty notch]

my rots rests gravel with ps

also roi lmfao

[knotty flax]

so basically in short: don't raise ops only for base

[jaunty notch]

me and my homies e2 the entire roster

[arctic prism]

^^^

[jaunty notch]

it's true that i let gravel rest the fastest to get her back in asap

but generally i prefer to group gravel in with ps

makes it easier to understand

[arctic prism]

oh right urs are diff bc 3 shift vs 4

yea that makes sense

[jaunty notch]

also here Cho

6 AH rest shift

a bit of moving around but it's fine

you lose 0.1 MR for both gravel and waai fu, but it doesn't really matter.

@arctic prism

[arctic prism]

lmao yea that looks good to me

fartooth in the last dorm is good idea

i should do that lmao i kinda just throw her in

[jaunty notch]

in the case where you're training and need another RL in, just use podenco in Dorm 2 ig

[arctic prism]

ye

hurts a little bit but shouldnt change too much

[jaunty notch]

since AH i meant to stay until gla almost dies instead of "get back to work asap" like the others, this is a good time to just chill

yeah it's just a little bit of a decrease in Gravel and Greyy mostly

like less than an hour of a few % increase

[arctic prism]

yea

[jaunty notch]

and 90% more fac

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

but hey, it's just a theory

a BASE THEORY

[arctic prism]

lmao

yea if we ever end up getting more ah

[jaunty notch]

5 ah would just get 10 hours of work anyway

this is 6+ AH

[arctic prism]

ye

[jaunty notch]

but yeah on the other hand you can just ditch muel and use the 4 vacant slots for better dorm workers

what's the profit look like though

[arctic prism]

idk you'd have to calc specific to your rots

[jaunty notch]

it's 5% PP loss compared to 3% PP and 5% gold increase

sounds like ditching muel is better

[arctic prism]

lmao

if you fine tune the rots with morale recovery there's probably some world where muel is worth but is like

cost of irl sanity is so big

makes leeway v small

[jaunty notch]

i'm already at negative sanity

i lost a cursed order because of this shit

[arctic prism]

lmao

-1000 lmd

oh shit

i also just missed one

fuc

[jaunty notch]

GAMING

[torn meteor]

ok so remember how i was saying id do 16 8? id call this good enough even though i could do better just because theres barely any brain usage at all

perpetual lmd droning

[jaunty notch]

"hey let's wait until it's at 20s before droning" proceeds to forget the entire order

[arctic prism]

me irl LOL

[jaunty notch]

i set a rule for myself

if it's under 10m, put proviso in then drone -1

even if you forgor, it's still a profit

[arctic prism]

yea thats honestly

a good idea

i might start doing that lmao

[jaunty notch]

[arctic prism]

but then for the lv3 tp is just fcked no?

[jaunty notch]

no?

just put teq in under 1h

my bibeak is always ramping

[arctic prism]

oh ic i was still putting in proviso juuuust in case

so if i did that youd end up with

7% tp

[jaunty notch]

yeah you can put bib pro teq, but it's more of a measure for non 4

[arctic prism]

ye that makes sense

[jaunty notch]

but about an hour before it's still bib sham teq

i generally forget that tp, but i get 4 gold regardless

[arctic prism]

yea thats tru

that one doesnt feel as bad to miss

[jaunty notch]

smh these people really be doing sham pro teq

[arctic prism]

oh nah im doing bib pro teq for my curse lmao

[jaunty notch]

and yeah i usually use 1-5 drones on teq tp

just wait til it's at 10s bro

then swap prov in

[arctic prism]

thats tru but then i forget

[jaunty notch]

then it's still teq getting a 4g

[arctic prism]

tru

[jaunty notch]

like unless it's pozy

you generally don't have an op that can properly curse with teq anyway

i use wind chimes just because then i can slack on fiam refreshes

[arctic prism]

u dont put in eben?

[jaunty notch]

in the lv2 tp i do

the whole underflow shebang exist but it's just 1%

[arctic prism]

ah yea ok that makes sense

[jaunty notch]

it's like we still need to wait for that teq curse op

kichisei had that, almost

[arctic prism]

what does kichisei do

[torn meteor]

shes 40 in a level 3 tp

[arctic prism]

oh right

i forgot her name lmao

[jaunty notch]

she was 20% for every other op

[arctic prism]

ye but doesnt work with shamare still right

[jaunty notch]

i know

[arctic prism]

which is why you saying almost

[jaunty notch]

but imagine

she does

[arctic prism]

yea lmao

[jaunty notch]

firewhistle was almost there too

[arctic prism]

oh ic same thing but 15%

makes sense

honestly if we just got

some pozy combo that doesnt require

4 fcken gold fac

could replace something

at least in curse rots

[jaunty notch]

pepe team

it's coming

i can smell it

[arctic prism]

lmao

an actual viable pepe team

would go pretty crazy ngl

[jaunty notch]

the dream team for 3 xp setups

[torn meteor]

pepe team has potential if they give it the tequila treatment

[arctic prism]

yea

[wind otter]

just lift that damn alter restriction and give us Spalter

[jaunty notch]

nah, that thing should always stay

[harsh cloud]

hey

wsp guys

[fluid pollen]

Hello there

[harsh cloud]

Sooo... is it really recommended to downgrade 1 TP even if you can upgrade every factory and TP to lvl 3?

when using proviso

[arctic prism]

If you're max left then no

[harsh cloud]

so only downgrade 1 TP if your power capacity can't handle having all of them maxed out when using proviso?

[arctic prism]

Yes

[torn meteor]

the only one who NEEDS to be e2 in that tp is shamare, but the productivity boost is worth it if you e2

[frank cipher]

e0 is enough on shamare team , well can e2 him if have nobody else to e2 base/gameplay wise

[torn meteor]

if you want to e2 tailoring ops tho i recomend bibeak and/or if you arent using her in factory, bena

both are very solid characters in normal gameplay on top of being part of the tequila shamare tp

bena doesnt get tailoring at all until e2 though

wait i might be gaslighting myself

fucking hell why does bena only get the e0 version of tailoring

[summer kernel]

E2 Paprika is the real meta because Medic chips are plentiful and way more valuable than Guard/Specialist

[harsh cloud]

hi, is anyone here willing to critique my base formation?

[valid storm]

is it 252?

[harsh cloud]

yeah

TP and Factories maxed

[stoic spoke]

show

[harsh cloud]

hmmm.. is there like a krooster for base formations?

[stoic spoke]

pins link 5

[harsh cloud]

uhhh.. do I have to manually create an entire base calc sheet on my own?

with the sheet as like.. the pre-given template

or is there a way to import data?

[fluid pollen]

There’s no import data function.

Just have to edit the sheet to your needs pretty much.

[radiant solstice]

Hi. Can i ask a recommendation?

Who is the most worth OP to build first?

[rare galleon]

#help

[frank cipher]

most if them require specific combo to work well(except vergil n byro), assuming you have their partner, it's teq

[radiant solstice]

Oh mb

[rare galleon]

Wait, nvm. If you ask about base skills operator

Sorry for that.

Assume you have Shamare then Tequila and Bibeak good choice for TP combo.

[fluid pollen]

If you alr have Shamare e2’d it’d be Teq yep. The tp ramp ops never pay for themselves.

[rare galleon]

Bryophyta also good with Gravel and Haze in the Factory.

[radiant solstice]

Okay noted

I just got Proviso yesterday, so i thought i should manage my base more seriously

Btw is Mr. Nothing can be paired with her well?

[rare galleon]

In single TP i believe.

It's also in lvl 2 TP.

[radiant solstice]

Yes i put her in lvl 2 TP

And currently had partner with underflow and ulpi on the training room

[rare galleon]

Yep, you're in the right direction.

[radiant solstice]

Aight, so my priority are Teq and Bibeak?

[rare galleon]

Yes, if you have Shamare.

[fluid pollen]

Priority is just Teq.

TP ramp like Bibeak doesn’t pay off.

[radiant solstice]

Uh huh. I build ger together with Priviso

[radiant solstice]

Okay then

Thank you sm

[wind otter]

call me crazy but I am willing to trade a new hypothetical non-alter AH that would give us 5 x 50% FAC workers, for an alter AH that doesn't give anything as long as that new Abyssal alter is Breeze the Deep Chaser || @valid storm ||

[valid storm]

But the new Sui will bring it

[wind otter]

[wind otter]

wrys, marriage is through health and ill, through riches and poverty, through joy or struggle, you can't renounce Breeze just because she turned into abyssal hunter, c'mon

[valid storm]

Blasphemy!

[wind otter]

checkmate

[valid storm]

It's not. Look behind

[wind otter]

[spare pivot]

[knotty flax]

does ines* ramp up in the "resting" state

[orchid bane]

I think she does

[craggy horizon]

Do I use drones to speed up trading and exp?

[rigid plume]

Yes.

If you cannot do buildings, the only drones purpose is to speedup buildings you want.

[craggy horizon]

Which do you recommend

[rigid plume]

I usually boost up my Gold.

But it's up to you.

[craggy horizon]

So LMD, got it

[valid storm]

xp speedup usually not recommend as you should produce more than what you need

[round lichen]

Are you resting her by sitting at 10 clues with a MR op in CC? Because if so, that’s far more detrimental than just letting her work while she ramps up

[knotty flax]

i haven't had the time to actually figure out what i wanted to trade, so i've just been doing that

[west tapir]

I think i need to go 4-1 xp-gold.
Even with 3-2 xp-gold ratio and 2 trading posts (each with its own proviso/tequilla type of buff) the gold ingots keep on pilling up regardless.

[fluid pollen]

Err sorry that’s really low lmd conversion rate?

Can you show TPs?

[visual gull]

why r u still producing green exp?

[fluid pollen]

Damn didn’t even see that.

[visual gull]

also, have you build at least gravel spot haze purestream yet? they are a cheapo gold worker

[west tapir]

Im following this kind of setup

Yes to all of them

Rn they are resting

[visual gull]

Wrong pair my lads.
Byrophyta (e2) can be paired with haze, spot, gravel. Just those 4 should be enough to maintain 1 gold fac with staggering rotation

[fluid pollen]

Okay there’s a lot that’s wrong here and a bunch of ops just don’t have prod.

[west tapir]

The 5stars are e1 only

Even exec

[fluid pollen]

Right. Exactly that, they’re either running on 15% or just don’t have prod.

[west tapir]

But proviso is the only e2 5star in the pic

Wait, isnt the production of the 3 operator adding up?

[visual gull]

Most 4★ needs e1 to activate their base skill
While 5★ and 6★ needs e2.
*there are some exceptions ofc.

[fluid pollen]

Most of these ops don’t even add %.

Consider going to pin 4, copy pasting the noob tab rotation, and then replace the 25% fac ops there with better ones if you have.

[west tapir]

For example this 25 + 25 + 30 = 80

• another 2% from CC Monst3r

They do add up

[fluid pollen]

Right. That one works.

Do the others?

[west tapir]

Yeah, in every factory they add up

And 70-80% operator productivity is still not enough?

[fluid pollen]

……screenshot factory 2.

And tp 2.

Oh Exe is 30% on e0 huh…actually can you just replace the 15% workers to the 25%+ ones you definitely have.

[west tapir]

All of them are e1

[visual gull]

The problem is you can get more % with the correct combination.
And maintain above 100% with an easy stagger

Also, proviso is better on lvl 2 tp my lads

[fluid pollen]

That 30% just comes from Chilchuck.

[west tapir]

Yes i know

[visual gull]

Chilchuck cant not use the tailoring skill efficiently. Ngl, it is better to just pair it with raw %

[fluid pollen]

So there’s no reason to have Kafka there instead of an another 30%+ worker.

[west tapir]

Well it could had been worse.
For 8 months out of 12 i was also using a slot for extra capacity

[fluid pollen]

Am not saying the prod doesn’t add up, just that you definitely have better workers than the 0% or 15% ones you’re using.

25% workers are basically the minimum.

[visual gull]

Just move proviso into lvl2 tp and pair her with your highest raw %.
Then try to find the 3 man combo for lvl3 tp.
You can get at least 90% with 0 investment. (I think it was gummy, yato and mouse)

[west tapir]

20K x 200 xp doesnt feel like a lot.
Its only 2K gold xp cards

[west tapir]

So dont use a proviso type skill on lv3

[visual gull]

The gold one is still the most efficient. Ask the #r-i-i-c folks.

[fluid pollen]

but I don’t wanna continue speaking.

[visual gull]

Here is why lvl 2 tp is better.
Lvl2 tp can not produce 4or5 gold bar order only 2-3 gold bar order.
Proviso skill is turning the value of 2-3 gold bar order into 4-5 order while maintaining the duration.

Meaning you will always be guaranteed to get 4/5 order while having a less time producing them.

Higher value and less time = more income

[fluid pollen]

[arctic prism]

green = 200 xp, takes 45 min
blue = 400 xp, takes 80 min
yellow = 1000 xp, takes 180 min

by making green exp you're making 800 xp when you could be making 1000 in the same amount of time

[visual gull]

@arctic prism may I ask about the bibeak sham ramp up time?

I mean the position for them not to lose the ramp up.
Is the correct one should be bibeak - sham - teq?

[arctic prism]

yeah that's generally the recommended positioning
as long as her position doesnt change it works fine, but it's just easiest to maintain her position if she's in position 1

[visual gull]

Is this the correct position or no?
*sham and teq got fia then swap into 2nd team later

[arctic prism]

by position 1 i mean the left most one
[1] [2] [3]
but it's not an issue as long as the spot doesnt move around

like you could keep her in position 3 like you have in that pic as long as you make sure she's always in position 3 and doesnt accidentally get moved around

[fluid pollen]

I do Sham ramp Teq.

[arctic prism]

lol i used to sham teq ramp back in the day so

[fluid pollen]

But ramp swaps out with fia teq so idt it’s that bad?

[arctic prism]

if you have them in sync like that then yea

p sure mine were desynced

[west tapir]

And just to hear one more "wtf is wrong with your base logic"
Im also trying to minmax the daily trust gains all across the base.
(If i have the time i quickly switch in some random ops a few minutes before reset and then reorganize them)

[visual gull]

What a coincidence. I did that too

[arctic prism]

lol i dont think ive ever done that

trust farming stages is easier and more effective imo lmao

[visual gull]

Of course trust farming included.
Most my event stage looks fucked up. So many deaths of unbuilt ops.

[west tapir]

I kinda messed up a the start with maxing out the trust of some operators.
I cant bring bring the <5 star ops to easier stages/work during daily base reset cuz they obtained their freedom

[arctic prism]

do you really need that much trust so quickly though...? you're going to end up 200% everything eventually anyway

[west tapir]

Had a 200% trust = nuzlocke mentality for months.
Didnt end well once i reached patriot with only 200% trust amiya as dps

[onyx sorrel]

how many factories should i use to make orundum?

heres my setup

[jaunty notch]

just 1

each banner lasts for 2 weeks

[pallid isle]

your barely ever going to have enough rocks to maintain 1 factory for a long term period so doing 2 is very moot

[uneven egret]

Is it weird that I tend to switch between 2-4-3 when I'm low on gold and 3-3-3 when I have a surplus?

[jaunty notch]

not weird, but it's rather inefficient

just swap a fac at worst

[rigid plume]

333 is not worth at all.

Using right ops in TP is enough to live in 243 for eternity, if you would like to.

Most recommended 252 straight up tho.

[uneven egret]

But I have way too many gold ingots

[jaunty notch]

just swap a fac to xp then

drone tp

gold goes down

[rigid plume]

Drone TP then

[uneven egret]

Ohhhh

[barren condor]

What team combo can i do in CC and what are their replacements for rotation?

[frank cipher]

Mr combo +0.2
mylar amiya monster smileyx2
sub
wis ce swire freex2

[finite magnet]

In 2-5-2 build,I should put 3 for exp and 2 for gold bars right?

[visual gull]

1 factory is always flexible.
depending on your gold bar stash.
eg:

1k then do 3 exp 2 gold.
<1k then do 3 gold 2 exp.

*you can adjust the bare minimum threshold based to your liking.

[round lichen]

But CE wants Amiya

Ig you’re not losing productivity, just more morale, but I see no reason not to have them work together

[torn meteor]

all that morale does is make them desync with the rest of your rotation

if itd share with the rest of the cc then it might matter but in practice it does literally nothing, particularly because cc morale drain is really slow so you usually swap before morale is fully drained

you can swap swire and amiya but theres no actual benefit to doing so

that CE morale skill is basically just there for flavor

[round lichen]

The benefit is that they cycle out of dorms faster. Is that going to be a frequent or high-impact benefit? Maybe not, but as I already said, there’s no reason not to

[torn meteor]

yeah theres no reason not to, but also cycling out of dorms faster only matters in precise rotations

its the definition of no reason not to but for 99% of players theres also no benefit to doing it

[round lichen]

You don’t have to ping reply every message you respond to. This is not an important enough conversation to continuously call my attention back to

[torn meteor]

ngl more time passed than i thought when i sent it, i usually dont bother turning off reply ping when the person was around within the last like minute

[pallid isle]

Actually this is relevant for when hoshi comes out since your then going to want swire hoshi and can't use amyia but even so the morale cost shouldn't matter much as already stated

[oblique swan]

should i not be doing this

[arctic prism]

was thinking about this convo from the other day
havent run the calculations on it yet but depending on how much you curse throughout the day doesnt it make more sense to actually just ditch shamare team entirely until 5 hrs before your sleep shift (or 5 hrs before you stop cursing)?
adds more micromanagement and increases gold requirement but should increase tp output + frees up a fia shift from not needing to fia shamare anymore

although whether it's worth increasing gold requirement is debatable since it's probably going to eat into xp output

[jaunty notch]

it's a prominent idea, but overall i'd argue it's a logistic nightmare

yes you can do that, assuming you won't be using a CC op for TP, you get 120% on a lv3 tp

it's even more than full power uyuu honestly lol, since assuming you curse, the calcs should be better than the usual prov mult

[arctic prism]

yea that's more or less what I was imagining too

logistic nightmare esp from dorm side but

in theory should be good

[jaunty notch]

though at that point i'd feel like i'm missing out on both the 185% sham team gives and the potential % that pozy tuye would bring me

then when sui shift is over and i'm doing pozy tuye 4 gold

kirara would lose some efficiency

as she's not the 45% + 50% anymore

[arctic prism]

think for the pozy shift youd end up just wanting to stick to the shamare comp

[jaunty notch]

of course, you can simply do the glasgow team

can consider ditching eun

remember, ato locks your CC team of swire hoshi

[arctic prism]

yea that's another option but considering how gold negative this is probably going to be you'd probably want eun? or that's just my assumption

[jaunty notch]

so you can't just play the delphine over amiya card

[arctic prism]

yea lol

[jaunty notch]

we both know at the beginning this is a 10k gold surplus situation lol

let's just talk pure %

[arctic prism]

lol okok

[jaunty notch]

though i had the same idea when i saw kichisei

and recently bibeak has been failing me a lot

i put teq in, thinking i'd get 4g more often

forgot to put prov in and wham not 2h

[arctic prism]

yea the reason i feel like this is feasible is how abundant 40% tps are now

without costing cc

i did consider delphine too but realistically they arent going in the lv2 tp and in that case amiya is stronger with higher mult

[jaunty notch]

i mean

[arctic prism]

was also trying to think if theres some way to use exodia and pozy comp at the same time but that sounds aids + too much gold / too low xp so didnt continue that line of thought

[jaunty notch]

it's 95 + kirara perse

95 + 50

glasgow can only be used using sui rest anyway

since as far as I can see, it's hard locked at 3 sui + 2 ps

[arctic prism]

yea

also isnt kirara 5%? or am i misremembering

[jaunty notch]

she adds 50 to pozy and tuye in 4g

and then 5 on her own

[arctic prism]

oh yea

but then the competition is shamare 90 + 7(amiya) + the same bonus in the lv2 tp + 7(amiya)

so 100% in lv3 and 155% in lv2 vs 97 in lv3 and 162% in lv2 right?

[jaunty notch]

yeah

[arctic prism]

i guess the glaslow ver has the "benefit" of not having ramp lmao

but for that can just move people around if you really wanted to

[jaunty notch]

this is gonna be like 12 6 6 ye ye ahh rot

[arctic prism]

yea lmao

that's probably exactly what this turns into

[jaunty notch]

i already miss a shit ton of orders just playing is

[arctic prism]

same

[jaunty notch]

this would just backfire lmfao

[arctic prism]

yea LOL

just in theory if you were on top of the orders

would be better lmao

[jaunty notch]

funny idea

but let's just say i do the lv3 pure % bs

when cursing that tp you just do sham teq prov

drone then forget

ez

can't lose anyway

[arctic prism]

yea that does work

[jaunty notch]

but yeah my main problem with your idea is that you just can't go all out

you're limited by slots

but alright let's move that aside a bit

[arctic prism]

like dorm slots?

[jaunty notch]

3g pozy tuye kichisei is 155

[arctic prism]

oh right you could do that

but dorms are gonna be

[jaunty notch]

it's ok you have myrtle and durin

[arctic prism]

tru at least those 2 actually do smth

[jaunty notch]

if only minim is a universal 40

[arctic prism]

ikr would be so useful

[jaunty notch]

though chestnut is there for orundumb

oh i forgot to tell you

your idea was my orundumb idea

[arctic prism]

oh what

lmao

[jaunty notch]

since I don't wanna change setups

so i figure if I were to ever go poor I'd just use the sham tp for shards instead

so this is perfect anyway

[arctic prism]

lol yea i guess that makes sense

[jaunty notch]

so in the dorms I have (iris czerny virt) + (4 rl) + (4 durins)

11 op

next sui is RR i prayge

that'll free up a rl or durin slot in tr

[arctic prism]

ye

[arctic prism]

also you mean you have this just locked permanently? no right?

[jaunty notch]

lol no

[arctic prism]

lmao okok

[jaunty notch]

i only lock czerny

but then again i never use the rest ops button anyway

it's just to prevent clicking on him

[arctic prism]

ye i do that for czerney iris too

[fluid pollen]

[jaunty notch]

i replace iris with ente during rest shift so i don't

[arctic prism]

makes sense

her recovery skill is ass

[jaunty notch]

ente cze in d1 then 5pp lumen honeyberry in d3

swap the targets in those after a while

and you'd have them recover to full at almost the same time

[arctic prism]

o

[jaunty notch]

just 5m margins p much

[arctic prism]

dam thats kinda nice

[jaunty notch]

also fits with d2 which is coldshot shining vendela

d1 is lv2

so 3 suis in there

others need less rest

[arctic prism]

yea that makes sense

[fluid pollen]

• 3% exp tmr so peak.

Eh wait he wants masteries….nvm

[arctic prism]

lmao

[fluid pollen]

In 2 days.

[jaunty notch]

you don't have all the 35% yet?

there should be no change to the ceiling tmr

[fluid pollen]

Still using Marcille so no.

Also still using Jieyun for gold

Dun use Gladiia.

[arctic prism]

lmao makes sense then

[fluid pollen]

Oh actually I can desync Thorns and get rid of Jieyun huh…

[jaunty notch]

anyways back to this cho

[fluid pollen]

Ok idea thanks.

[jaunty notch]

which is, uh yeah

and I'm not even adding the gold bonuses

[arctic prism]

yea

[jaunty notch]

then when sui rest you can use sham ig

swap pozy tuye to lv2

my 2nd shift is uh 3 sui gla 7%

so in that shift i can do glasgow + 40

[arctic prism]

honestly probably worth doing this over using muelsyse

[jaunty notch]

yeah... let's ditch her

but i can make it work though

it's just a weaker reco time

but it's generally doable

[arctic prism]

yea

[torn meteor]

surely they give us 35 exp RL workers

[arctic prism]

for the glaslow part tho i think the 7% could be stronger actually

[fluid pollen]

RL workers having good base skills?

[jaunty notch]

it's durin in d2, and myrtle in uh

[arctic prism]

since it's 15% * 1.55 vs 7 * (1.55 + 1.81)

[jaunty notch]

why is it 15

it's 20

[torn meteor]

wait thatd make something like dorothy 35 35 genuinely a really strong combo