r-i-i-c

[wind otter]

Damn, nice. I need to buy some pots. I'll farm nothing but vouchers when no currency events drop

[digital mist]

what's wrong with scene?

[pale yoke]

assuming BiS, scene is out of the picture
i just wasn't expecting vault hunter to be running 4xp

[digital mist]

ah i thought scene was also part of bis with vermeil and pallas team, no?

[pale yoke]

not anymore with the addition of AH and viviana

pretty sure since viviana but not everyone can drop scene that easily back then, now is more accessible with AH

[digital mist]

sorry, who's AH btw?

[pale yoke]

abyssal hunter

[digital mist]

ahh

[pale yoke]

also making room for aroma was a factor

[jaunty notch]

tbh verm xp is still very viable for people who use saileach

[digital mist]

how long does gladiia stay for if there's mlynar? and i'm still unsure of how to use mlynar properly tbh. i just use him + 2 smileys in CC, if theres any other way of utilizing him properly i don't know

[jaunty notch]

unless you need to fiam 3 targets including a proviso in lv2 tp, you don't need mlynar

also gla stays for less than 8h

[digital mist]

oof. can't handle that kind of turnover rate

[pale yoke]

ye 7hr smtg depends on cc

just think of it as 7hr

[digital mist]

for my lvl 2 TP, i use proviso + vigil and i just fiam them alternatively. i kinda stopped using the worldly plight combo a long time ago because it felt like i had to consider too many facilities at the same time

[jaunty notch]

7.5 min

since the case were with smileys i just say less than 8

[remote bison]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

automaton delayed for fucking 2 days

[leaden grove]

Chip packs are available

@light slate

[light slate]

Hello frens

Don't overestimate my intelligence

Behold

[leaden grove]

Do you have any kind of plan or schedule, or are you just swapping skills when the ops are tired

[light slate]

The latter

[leaden grove]

Are you using the new preset system?

[light slate]

I do have a vauge idea of synergy but I think they're outdated

I am not I was too lazy

I also kinda neglect 5 stars sometimes cause like why use em when you have 6 stars so some good skills 5 stars I have I just don't got

[leaden grove]

Well the basic way to do things is to open the base combo guide (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?usp=drivesdk) and go one facility at a time and just see what combos you can make with the ops you already have raised

[light slate]

Got that pulled up on my laptop already

[leaden grove]

It’s okay, 5 stars need e2 for skills so it’s not important to raise them just for base work, the payback is too long (aside from proviso)

[light slate]

Oh I can send my full squad btw if that helps

[leaden grove]

Uhmmm do you have a krooster account

[light slate]

Uh

[leaden grove]

You can make one really quick and import your account, they’re nice to have for planning and makes stuff like this easy lol

[light slate]

Ok question how do I get Krooster to accept my changed settings

Ok bruh change user I was looking for a confirmation lower down

https://krooster.com/u/drblubalz-529

[light slate]

^

This is definitely better than sending 15 screenshots

I'm assuming Krooster updates on it's own? Or would I have to import it every time?

I guess this isn't help I'm sorry I tend to ask too many questions

[leaden grove]

You have to import every time but you can save your credentials, it’s just saved on your browser

Logs you out of the game btw

Btw you have 252 right?

[light slate]

The only thing that number means to me is max Pokemon EVs

Oh wait you mean this?

Oh yeah I remembered now Yea I have 2/3/4 or however that's formated

I like how it maxes everything having 3 PPs I know it's technically optimal to have 2 but eh I like the feeling of everything being maxed. I can deal with 1 TP tho

[leaden grove]

I think you should check the video in pins to convert if you want better productivity

Also why is everything empty 🥹

[light slate]

Because I'm in the middle of optimizing it so I can slot in the better combos once I know em

[leaden grove]

Fair enough

[light slate]

Ya know I used to have 3/3/3

[leaden grove]

Skull emoji

Okay well looking at your roster, I’m not seeing any crazy combos, but we can still improve

[light slate]

I probably have enough resources to E2 two ish 5 stars from E0 i'm kinda out of LMD 💀

Mr.Nothing Paprika Tequila Shamare are top contenders from what I can tell

Ya know while we talk I'ma start grinding out LMD stage cause for all 4 I need 1 million even if I use the auto promote for Tequila I still need a lot more

[leaden grove]

sorry i was typing but dont waste your sanity bro

as i said earlier, e2 just for base is a huge waste if you wont use them in combat

[light slate]

I already added it dw I can just use it to grind more event if anything

[light slate]

That seems like a big jump

[leaden grove]

we're talking about spending hundred of thousands of LMD for a less than 10% change

its a tiny jump

[light slate]

Hmm ok then

[leaden grove]

thats before we get into the chips and everything

[light slate]

I'm only missing guard and specialist for the 4 mentioned

But alright so that's not necessary then

[leaden grove]

page one 🥹

[light slate]

Yeah yeah I read that sounded like a stern suggestion

So I was like it could still be worth it

[leaden grove]

the "specified otherwise" operator is proviso because she pays the cost off in months instead of years

but you already have her e2

[light slate]

Yeah as per someone's suggestion

[leaden grove]

and besides, you have several 4 stars who need e1

so that would be a better place to start anyway

[light slate]

Oh so they don't need E1 but E2

I E2d Vermiel thinking she needed it

[leaden grove]

only 5/6 stars need e2 for skills

💀

[light slate]

I just learned that an hour ago

So like what Bubble and Conviction right?

[leaden grove]

you can ignore bubble

Okay well just make sure all your 4 stars in the “noob” tab are e1 if they need it

For your trading posts, you will want to use shamare tequila bibeak in one and proviso with whichever 2 are your highest percentage TP workers

For factories, slot in your highest percentage workers trying for basic combos in the “fac” section like vermeil click and ceobe. Or even vermeil ceobe Narantuya, since you aren’t switching from 243

For cc you can use some alters like in noob tab plus wisadel and civilight

also I take it you saw the big number but didn't check this "full wp team" requirement to get that number

[light slate]

WP being uh

[leaden grove]

Mr nothing is useless to you

[light slate]

So he's nothing to me?

[leaden grove]

It’s a big multi facility combo relying on several limited operators that you don’t have

[light slate]

Probably then damn dragons

[wind orbit]

Can i do mr nothing team with just having

Ling Saileach CYue Mulberry

[stoic spoke]

This wont do

You need to cook harder

[stoic spoke]

I see bryophyta, eunectes, purestream, greyy2, wild mane, ashlock, viviana, aroma, scene, waaifu

[light slate]

yea

[stoic spoke]

Yeah many combos ready

Which ones do you use

[light slate]

uhh I've been doing Dorothy's combo with Silence and Lapp/Texas/Alter

a couple others like that

I actually don't use some of the ones you mentioned 🤔

greyy2 and I sometimes slap Ashlock with that op that kinda looks like her

someone is helping me optimize it a bit

I mainly do combos that are obvious like Typhon and that welfare unit that combos with her in RR as an example

I know RR isn't too important but is the boost Suzumom gets from Suzu enough to justify her in RR?

[stoic spoke]

have a look at these in the spreadsheet:

1. Special tab -> Automation team (with dead lancet)
2. FAC tab -> Vermiel team EXP
3. FAC tab -> bryophyta team
4. Special tab -> Pinus Sylvestris team

[light slate]

hmmm I see ok then'

[ruby hedge]

is it so bad?

[light slate]

I should also E1 some 4 stars I suppose

[wicked canopy]

it's not that bad but you should consider switching to 252, there's info in the pins about how and why you would do that (short answer: it's more production)

[light slate]

Everyone says this but the satisfaction of everything being max level is so satisfying

[leaden grove]

Satisfaction has an LMD value of exactly 0

[light slate]

[leaden grove]

@light slate every single one of these requires e2 to function/be good (besides purestream)

This guy is coming at it from the perspective of “how to make the best base with the biggest number”

As I said earlier, if you just want more resources, these are all a huge waste as they cost more to upgrade than you would get back, even after a few years.

Just so you understand 🫡

[light slate]

Rn I'm building it with what I do got

[leaden grove]

Even with all basic 1-4 stars and the skills of unraised 5/6 stars, you can probably do 50/60k lmd and 25-30k exp a day with proviso and shamare team once you e2 her

The exp number is a guess bc idk how 243 should balance gold and exp but point being, you don’t need to raise a bunch of stuff for good numbers

[valid storm]

I agree but you should see the numbers before keeping with 243, also 252 allows you to do the funny shapi

[light slate]

How big of a jump is it?

[leaden grove]

Extra factory so +150% at least, of either gold or exp. Realistically it will help you avoid bottlenecks where you lack exp or lack the gold to fuel your TP

[ionic glacier]

all of it

(sorry for late reply)

but have the entire team

dusk/ling/saileach for cc (not always have space for dusk/ling depending on other teams active)
ros for fac
eben for tp
whisp for office
virtuosa/czerny/iris for dorm

for wp specifically, obviously also have cy, mr nothing, mulberry, jieyun, and wind chimes, but i tend to not go for the wp team?

do have all the sui siblings on en as well (no yu)

[light slate]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10L84o5mb5CNOu2VpGDGFoRAsdb94CklO1aUNq3hQQqc/edit?usp=drive_link

plz go easy on me someone helped with this 🙏

I know it's not optimal but for now this should up my production I'm comsidering migrating to 252 eventually tho since everyone is very adamant about it

Ok NOW I allowed access sorry about that

[leaden grove]

Looks pretty good all things considered

[light slate]

I'ma add more Rhine Labs in Dorm cause that's apparently important

[light slate]

wait what do you mean Fia can stagger op so they never rest

[round lichen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM7PmvBdLDM

[light slate]

I've been neglecting my Fia for too long it seems

[round lichen]

Assuming you’re 243, with all WP/PI combo pieces, Amiya in CC, and Mulberry in HR, Eben + Nothing will give 112% (+7% Amiya) to your Proviso TP; after the Proviso multiplier you will have 234% productivity. Ros and Jieyun will give 60% and 32%.
Total productivity: 326%
If you instead opt for Whisperain, you’ll have 102% in Proviso’s TP (219% after multiplier) and 80% Ros; Jieyun is no longer viable so just add 30%.
Total productivity: 329%
So either way, this combo will give you higher prod than Tuye + Pozy’s 80%

[ionic glacier]

gotcha…

can fac/tp prod be directly compared like that?

[round lichen]

Technically you don’t need any excess prod on gold bars as long as you’re earning enough to keep your TPs running, but in a setup where you only have 2 facs making gold that’s not much of a concern

Btw I assume you’re 243 because you have 2 TPs at Lv 3; most 252s would downgrade a TP to get a better Proviso multiplier and use the extra power on upgrading a Fac

[ionic glacier]

yup, 243

thank you very much

im a base noob that just reads the spreadsheet haha

[round lichen]

Sure thing!

[light slate]

wait so Fia refresh is only one opperater right?

[leaden grove]

Yes, you can do it every 12 hours, at most

[light slate]

ok and the vid says Bibeak ramps up so I should avoid refreshing her specifically

[leaden grove]

Not necessarily. If you want to keep the shamare combo going forever then refreshing her is better than letting her sleep. That being said, it’s better to refresh proviso.

Bibeak skill is replaceable anyway

[light slate]

true it's not like I have her or Rafka E2 anyway

[stoic spoke]

refresh your bryo

[light slate]

but like the slot number is important apparently

Bryo is still an E0 bum

my Proviso isn't

[leaden grove]

It doesn’t matter then

[light slate]

oh that affect is only E2 I see

[leaden grove]

What I mean is that it doesn’t matter that you’re replacing bibeak since it’s the same skill

[light slate]

alright I got the new base set up going

in about 4 days I'ma check up on the difference in production thanks everyone for the help

[leaden grove]

:amiyay:

[unique mauve]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xs1xE5sHUkjEACX05YDi2w-HjL6gReqvwRd-45kxgkA/edit?usp=sharing
Hi, can someone take a look at this and tell me if I can improve sth? I have almost all ops required for combos except Yato2, Dorothy and Fartooth I think. I'm open to all suggestion, even if have to build someone usless outside of base (I just want to see big numbers)

[tame depot]

i know that there is a guide for base combos but that guide shows all the possible combos, could you guys tell me the top 2 combos for both exp and gold?

[unique mauve]

the best one depends on the aviable ops you have. The best for gold is Byro/Automation team while the best for exp is Flametail+Vivi

[tame depot]

with vivi do you mean viviana? i'm unable to find it in the combo guide

[unique mauve]

yes, special section

[cunning quiver]

someone send me screenshots of their entire base

[tame depot]

tysm

[cunning quiver]

🥹

[tame depot]

with byro you mean bryophyta right?

[unique mauve]

yeah, sorry for my dyslexia

[tame depot]

no worries 👍, i make those mistakes too

[unique mauve]

#r-i-i-c message check this

[tame depot]

what about 2nd best team for exp?
Also in the base combo guide there are 2 types of automation combos. should i use the one with eunectes in CC so i can pair it with flametail + vivi combo?

[leaden grove]

The base guide is arranged from best to worst for each facility. The only exception is the multi-facility combos on the special tab.

[wind orbit]

Can i do mr nothing combo
if im missing dusk and shu? . and no nian too

https://www.krooster.com/u/shiro_ai

currently just using shamare team, and proviso with Monhunt team

e2morgan for glasgow team should be ready next week

[bright crater]

On CN server RIIC expansion. What has it been added ?

[digital mist]

for the AH team, is it okay if Andreana is E0?

[fluid pollen]

Yes, only thing that matters for AH team is that Gladiia is e2, everything else is irrelevant. But if you’re running a regular 12hr rotation cycle you shouldn’t be running AH.

Gladiia dies too fast for that.

[ebon beacon]

Is it possible to leave the workshop at level 1?

Or do you need to upgrade it in order to craft the building materials?

[rose knoll]

Workshop upgrades don't increase the power usage

So no reason to do that anyway

[wind otter]

In this scenario Mr. Nothing would have 65% TP as long as Ling doesn't go under 12 morale, with E2 Mulberry in Office, and with all Dorms full of people.

[trim flicker]

o its peter

[wind orbit]

🧎🏼‍♂️

[stoic spoke]

mizuki highmore shouldn't be in xp fac nvm I'm wrong

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

put wildmane ashlock in one xp

and stagger the other xp fac

replace perfumer with mizuki, he's free in that slot

[pale yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMrnPWaPspA

guys, stronghold protocol! means if we do this event our base will be upgraded!

[uncut dome]

That's gonna be worse

[wind otter]

[uncut dome]

[stoic spoke]

how

worker still are 30% and above

[uncut dome]

It means he won't do Mizu Highmore

Which is a 65% with WM or Ashlock

[stoic spoke]

he can use them in weedy downtime

-5% for +10%

and he doesn't have fartooth so you're right

[uncut dome]

The 2 need to be with WM or Ashlock

[stoic spoke]

then this

[uncut dome]

He should put Spot Haze there then move Bryo Gravel Spot shift earlier then put Mizu Perfumer Steward in the midde shift

[wind otter]

Come son, sit here here by my side I will tell you a story, the story of how I divorced an awful woman before I married your mother, and by "horrible woman" I mean LDPlayer, and by "divorce" I mean uninstall, and by "your mother" I mean MuMu Player.

[pale yoke]

google beta is unironically the best one at the moment

but can't change resolution so i dont use it often (unless phone ded)

just wait for the pc client

soon soon

[wind otter]

I'm building a new PC, I will try Google emu when I finish it, I can't run Google with my old PC because the system requirements don't allow me. MuMu Player is so smooth though, so fast and doesn't feel bloated.

Imagine if PC client release happens for every server at the same time, I think it's possible

[wind orbit]

ldplayer would be sad

[stoic spoke]

My PC ran BlueStacks fine, but someone said LDPlayer was better, so I gave it a shot. That shit requires Virtualization and Hyper-V to be off—and disabled them without asking (in a buggy way). left my Docker and Hyper-V broken. Windows showed Virtualization as on, but they kept crashing, saying it was off. Reinstalling/disabling and enabling didn’t help. Finally fixed it by reverting some hidden config LDPlayer had messed with.

Never again

[wind otter]

damn

I started with Bluestacks but dropped it when Near Light released and the whole event was completely laggy and unplayable. MuMu Player passed the Near Light test.

[wind otter]

don't worry, I bet all of this will be fixed in a newer LDPlayer version, you can give it another try soon

[late knot]

Is proviso important enough to pull on this coming JO banner for her?

[leaden grove]

She is 1/6 of the 5 star pool (8%) so only 1.3% 🥹

[valid storm]

if you do a 10 pull, it's 12.5% to get her bc. of the guaranteed 5*

still wouldn't pull just for the base

[leaden grove]

Yeah I was just talking about individual roll chance bc I don’t like messing with pity lol

[dark geode]

so i finally completed my 252 according to this guide #r-i-i-c message
so is my next goal to start making working rotations for the base?

[valid storm]

yes

[unique mauve]

thx for the help

[unique mauve]

thx for the help to you too, didn't notice I can use Mizuki one more time for the extra prod (nice spreadsheet btw)

[dark geode]

how good is Proviso for base usage? i can understand her base skill but not much, does it just increase the amount of LMD you get from each trade?

since it deals more gold per trade

[leaden grove]

Exactly

You can check peterYR for more info but using it is simple: give her the best bonuses you can. She is also good in lvl 2 trading post because her skill affects every order, and you can have another lvl 3 factory

[lilac bear]

How do i make a Trading POST ?

I see on YouTube that people have 2

My base is like this

[leaden grove]

Downgrade a power plant to an empty plot, then build trading post. Also, you will probably want to downgrade your dorm and a factory or two.

Btw, don’t upgrade your reception room or office to lvl 3

[lilac bear]

Thanks, like this

Now i just upgrade Trading POST to lv 3 right?

[leaden grove]

Do you have proviso?

Also go ahead and upgrade your training room once you have operators who you want to do more masteries on

[lilac bear]

No

I really f** UP upgrading the office and reception room 🤡

[orchid bane]

Office and RR still lv2 ?

[valid storm]

there's no need to raise those

[orchid bane]

-# yes there is

[valid storm]

what?

[orchid bane]

[leaden grove]

It’s fine, lvl 2 makes a small difference compared to lvl 3. No big damage.

Since you don’t have proviso, yes raise the Trading post. You’ll eventually need to downgrade one or two factories to lvl 2 so that you can finish your training room, but no reason to do that now if you don’t have masteries waiting

[orchid bane]

what wat

[valid storm]

you said that there's a need to raise them and I asked what need

[orchid bane]

I was just whispering, pls unsee that

[valid storm]

I cannot unsee that, a different blue

[orchid bane]

[valid storm]

[cunning quiver]

why cant I downgrade my reception room

and Workshop

[wicked canopy]

It's just not possible, because HG is evil

[leaden grove]

You wouldn’t want to downgrade workshop anyway, and it wouldn’t hurt in any case. I don’t think it takes power

[wind otter]

||true base update vs second Fia ||

[jaunty notch]

||more factories but no more TPs so I don't have to curse Proviso even more||

[wind otter]

damn you are right, imagine more prov TPs

[jaunty notch]

spoilers

||Just 1 more fac for xp and rundumb, TP is fine||

[wind otter]

That is a reasonable ask, reasonable enough and still be denied to us by HG

[fluid pollen]

It’s unreasonable because they want to sell their resource packs.

Giving us more facilities doesn’t make them money.

[wind otter]

Well, they give us operators with better production skills so it's inevitable for HG to give us more, even if it is at a snail's pace.

But you do have a point. I don't see this realistically happening in the foreseeable future at least. Maybe if Arknights lasts long enough HG could decide to do something like this, thinking there are just too many operators to raise already and the number is not slowing down. But then, new players could raise the current meta and forget about old operators to advance their progress. Maybe that gate is the thing that HG tries to monetize, for beginners, that window where players can't advance without promoting operators further. Then old players with developed rosters shed money not because of "need" but our sense of completion.

On the other hand, maybe that is why HG has started giving out free instant promo packs and mastery packs to address the daunting beginner experience of Arknights in the present.

I'm sure we will have more base factories though, for sure, as a thank you gift by HG right before they shut the server down.

[orchid bane]

[fluid pollen]

[wind otter]

||mumu player ||

also, we need more factories for when HG releases ||Elite 3||

[wind orbit]

[rose knoll]

Next base update leak (real)

[jaunty notch]

hey 2 more slots for mumu/sui/whatever

insane

[wind otter]

perfect training synchronization

[leaden grove]

Wow ascalon enjoying +100% buff

[gritty ivy]

I don't know why you'd go with such a suboptimal layout. Training room doesn't provide any production benefits to base

[jaunty notch]

damn triple the top op chance

so 0 x 3 = 0

[gritty ivy]

you're thinking too small. Now you can do WP AND PI!

+20% fac/tp plus one extra slot for Penance

[jaunty notch]

nah

3rd slot is for bassline

[uncut dome]

You guys don't do 4x RR???

[vital oriole]

though tbh saileach + Ros + Mr Nothing gang with that would be

[jaunty notch]

even more eben prod

[uncut dome]

True production are the friends we made along the way

[hasty lintel]

If I'm farming Ordundums, and I swap from a 2-5-2, to a layout with Reception 3, how much would I be losing?

Just asking to see how much I'd be shooting myself in the foot to flex 2 pot6 units

[pale yoke]

or enemy we hate as we go

[wind orbit]

do we always want boost drone proviso (tplv2)
other tp i run is shamare (tplv3)

?

[orchid bane]

yes

Drone gold if you lack of them

I think it is still better than drone on Sham team

[orchid bane]

or swap more fac to gold , if you somehow don't need more XP

[jaunty notch]

After sanity calcs, proviso is better
100 drones spent on teq = 121.02 drones on regular lv3 TP plus 20.46 drones on gold fac
100 drones spent on proviso (lv3 TP) = 155.17 drones on regular lv3 TP

instead of spending 100 drones on teq, you could spend roughly 78 drones on proviso + 20.5 drones on gold to get the same amount, and still have 1.5 drones leftover.

100 drones on proviso in lv2 TP = 184.12 drones on regular lv3 TP, so if we repeat the above exercise with this you'll have 13.8 drones leftover,
and this is one additional reason to downgrade TP for proviso

[wind orbit]

wow, ty

[steel dagger]

So I just got told that telling new players to farm CE stage is a trash advice. Their arguments are that 351 gives 40k lmdeeznuts daily and is easy to setup

I'm out of touch with how should a beginner start a game. Is farming CE stages bad now?

I wish to educate people but I need to get educated myself

I do know that farming CE after one's base and slaves are built and done are bad. The context is strictly about new players

[fluid pollen]

I think there’s nothing wrong with farming lmd or exp stages if that’s what you really need.

[languid blaze]

any sanity spend for base income is good at least for optimum base layout or just patiently wait. then invest whatever op you want

[steel dagger]

For beginners, yeah. That's what I thought. But apparently it's a trashy advice

[wind orbit]

on the pinned base calc spreadsheet i can't input totter

[fluid pollen]

Yup it’s one of the things that the sheet creator Zyf refuses to add.

[wind orbit]

oh

i'll just pick other then

[fluid pollen]

It’s just the morale thing that makes him problematic to place.

@uncut dome someone finally asked.

[uncut dome]

NOOOO

[fluid pollen]

Ye place smth else and you can just rmb that it’s Totter.

[uncut dome]

[wind orbit]

this is good enough?

i've watched how to use fiametta but im not sure

[stoic spoke]

do whatever they want just don't upgrade office and reception

[remote bison]

do yall do normal or dead lancet automaton

or better question, do i only slot weedy purestream on a lvl2 considering im 252

nets me 100%

[languid blaze]

only when eun in cc, and in lvl2

cap 8-10h idk

[remote bison]

should be in time

at least i dont have to raise godssenger nor wind🤢flit

[remote bison]

is the ingame rotate button available if the operator in the rotation preset is dead

[vital oriole]

[ebon beacon]

Anyone else having issues logging in?

[north chasm]

Yeah me too

[vague geyser]

everyone is

[north chasm]

Lmao

[ebon beacon]

Fun

[stoic spoke]

I hacked everyone to rotate their bases

[vague geyser]

thanks

[round lichen]

You have to click on Edit, then you can swap tired operators in

[arctic prism]

aaaaaaaa my curse

im gonna miss it

[remote bison]

so you can rotate dead operators into active shift

or i have to manually do it like i have for past 4 years?

[round lichen]

12-hour rotations stay winning

[orchid bane]

RIP

[remote bison]

ive been slacking

like 6 hours from the original

[orchid bane]

I was about to swap my base

yos better pay x10

-# well I know we are gonna get 500 orun top

[round lichen]

Rotate All button won’t let a tired operator in, so in that sense it’s not automatic
But you don’t have to scroll through the full menu of PP operators. You press Edit to open your 3 presets and swap a tired operator from there

[remote bison]

[stoic spoke]

[arctic prism]

every time we get emergency maintenance like this I wonder what potential exploit I missed out on lol

[vague geyser]

there was no exploit

there also wasnt an emergency maint

[arctic prism]

oh was this one scheduled?

wasnt paying attention ig

[vague geyser]

yes but also no

it was scheduled for 2 hours ago

[heady hinge]

Who to use with shamare

[arctic prism]

tequila + whoever you want between bibeak/kafka/diamante/paprika

[pale yoke]

Damn close call

Rushed in and removed both ops because I saw 10sec

[arctic prism]

i missed mine

-1000

[orchid bane]

yes we got our 5/6 roll

now we are so safe for the next banner

[light slate]

What the hell

[leaden grove]

[vital oriole]

(side note, I still only have TR1)

[scarlet coral]

Does Lapp alter count herself as one of the ops for her training passive

Answer is yes

[wind otter]

clutch

[rancid mason]

Office and reception what level should they be?

[leaden grove]

Ideally, 1 and 1. Lvl 2 on reception room is okay though, if you want it

[rancid mason]

Got it.

[rancid mason]

Hmmm. Sadly it seems I had upgraded them to lvl 2 😦

[leaden grove]

That’s fine. It’s less optimal but much better than if they were lvl 3

[rancid mason]

Got it. Also one of the reasons I asked is that if it is important to lvl 5 the center and I had upgraded training, trade,workshop, power,dorm and the orange one with the black box and the facility is still not upgraded yet.

[leaden grove]

Yeah you want lvl 5 control center, if you need to temporarily level 3 a few things like forms or something to meet the requirements that’s fine, as long as it isn’t office or RR

[leaden grove]

Is there no way for me to open optima’s sheet in a copy/pastable format?🥹

[ruby hedge]

i do not know if i can say that but i fucked up my base sometime ago without knowing it. right side recep. and workshop + office are max. trainging room only at lvl2 and i tried but i dont thing i can get 252 like the bot says. is 243 okay or should i do 252 but lower levels?

[ebon beacon]

2/5/2 with lower levels

[clever quarry]

is cursed proviso just

put 3x highest % in tp
wait till theres like 15s remaining on an order
switch proviso in
switch back % op as soon as new order is made
repeat

[vital oriole]

yes

complete with phone timers throughout the day

even worse you throw in both prov and Tequila

[ruby hedge]

Then factory's with lower levels or the the post?

[ruby hedge]

That's how it would look like

[jaunty notch]

Fac, tps are max level unless you have proviso

Yeah like that

But lv1 fac caps fast

[ruby hedge]

Ye that's bad but I don't have more energy to build stuff I'm maxed out

540/540

[ruby hedge]

Should I go with 11slot? Sounds the best

[jaunty notch]

you look like you have proviso, so you can keep the tps the same

the lv1 fac can be changed to lv2 by doing facs with levels 33222

you're doing 33321

you have tps at lv 32 rn for proviso yeah?

[ruby hedge]

No idea what proviso is but okay I can do tps 3,2 and fac. 33222

[jaunty notch]

you can read some of the pins for more info

[ruby hedge]

@jaunty notch Ah yeah I don't have her

[ruby hedge]

So I can do ether this or tps 32 and fac 33222? I have no oporator called proviso

[languid blaze]

that's good, can go tp 3 2 when got proviso

[wind latch]

Can someone help me with my base rotation and op ?

Who do i put with who !

My base , still upgrading
I’m doing 252

[leaden grove]

Look at some of the basic rotations at “noob” tab in the pinned base combo guide.

Also can check out peterYR’s rotations video on YouTube

[urban orchid]

Do we get 'not in any facility' filter back in CN?

To be honest without that, kinda uncomfortable making anyone without full morale beside Fia in a dorm...

[granite oak]

whats best team for base CC rotation

[summer kernel]

depends on which ops you have. check the 4th link in the list of pinned guides to see most the relevant base teams

[granite oak]

i tried reading that up but it just makes me even more confused

can i just slap in four R6S and an amiya/kaltsit

[valid storm]

You can

probably it won't be the best, but you can be lazy

[pale yoke]

try eun ling dusk ft vivi
or gladiia ling dusk ft vivi

[fluid pollen]

Recommending Gladiia

[pale yoke]

he did ask what's best team

depending on who's resting those 2 are peak im sure

[azure topaz]

provioso e1 and fiametta e0 is enough right?

[granite oak]

hm i got no dusk

[wind orbit]

pretty sure we need proviso e2

[granite oak]

and viviana

[azure topaz]

whats WP team?

[jaunty notch]

you can click on his name and find out

[azure topaz]

OH THIS

[fluid pollen]

did not ask for context true.

[azure topaz]

should i change my base to 253/342?

[fluid pollen]

You should switch to 252.

[pale yoke]

*NOW

[wind otter]

here we go again with the 252 propaganda

[fleet pivot]

For fiametta base refresh skill, who do i refresh between, tequila, shamare and gummy (i dont have bibeak yet)

And do i refresh 2 of them at once, or only one of those 3 and subs the other 2 out for similar effects

[jaunty notch]

don't refresh gummy, just do 2 if you want to be super lenient

[fleet pivot]

Alright thanks

[nova needle]

What to do with proviso

[round lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597683031900200/1334180784902246441/Link_4_in_Pins_Faster.gif?ex=67a6242f&is=67a4d2af&hm=16c057a111afef58e69879a927acab247da6c17837b7fdc447d32af1c56cb204&

There is a whoooole explanation under TP -> Individual Workers

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597683031900200/1334180784902246441/Link_4_in_Pins_Faster.gif

[pale yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597683031900200/1371257990858149989/SPOILER_jnylkiyi.gif

🫵

[leaden grove]

This is only talking about how to minmax power with 252 with proviso setups, there are several reasons why 252 is better

[valid storm]

And I need all of it, not to change my base, but to create the guides for the server

[glass arch]

Do you rotate the CC every 12 hours or 24 hours?

[fluid pollen]

It depends really on your rotation. Some CC ops are just better than others so you’d want them to have higher uptime. So in the case of a standard rotation it would be 24 (potential change of certain ops in between) 12.

Example of standard 252 MR CC that is still debatable if you just hate Saileach and HR rng.

[tender ravine]

Just got one this month. But refresh is mostly for yellow certs anyway.

[fluid pollen]

[orchid bane]

[pale yoke]

[wind otter]

reported

[azure topaz]

is it big of loss of not having nian in Mr nothing comp?

IM GONNA 200 SPARK HER ANYWAY but yea 3 months to go

what comp can replace viviana/flametail and mizuki team?

glassglow maybe?

[languid blaze]

nah that's good enuf, just see sui variant if you can do wp or pi

[azure topaz]

is this team gucci?

[tame depot]

from what i understood:
top 2 gold combos:
-automation team with eunectes in cc
-Bryo team

top 2 exp combos:
-flametail+viviana knight team
-FEater, conviction and crownslayer

correct?

[uncut dome]

2nd teams are wrong

[tame depot]

you mean jessica and vermeil?

[uncut dome]

Yea

Metalwork with Bryo is better GOLD

Vermeil team only wins against Conviction, FEater, Crownslayer after 30 hrs

[tame depot]

why though? according to the building guide, bryo combo gives 116 % while jessica special combo gives 136 %

[uncut dome]

You're comparing 3 ops to 4 ops

[tame depot]

? i don't get it

i'm comparing combos

not ops

[uncut dome]

...

[tame depot]

ah you meant almond?

[uncut dome]

Jessica combo uses Mizuki, Jessica, Vanilla, Almond for 136%

Bryo only needs 2 others

[tame depot]

oh i see

does anyone have an upgraded version of the base combo guide that includes all the ops that came out in cn servers?

[orchid bane]

[jaunty notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907479178700525601.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[tame depot]

i don't wanna build a combo just to find out that a better one is about to come out

[pale yoke]

personally think that using "the best combo available to me" logic makes more sense

[languid blaze]

it's only gonna take 2 year for another +5% prod. never hurt upgrade base bit by bit

[fluid pollen]

Gotta make do with what you have, and what schedule you can afford.

[jaunty notch]

there's a CN server?

[foggy willow]

what to do when you miss rotations by like 1 hr

and if i keep doing it do i just accept that it'll shift again and again

i'm tryna keep it at 8AM/PM

[round lichen]

12 hour rotations are lenient enough that being 1 hour late or early shouldn’t affect anything

[leaden grove]

I am planning fia rotations as I’m gonna buy her and I’m starting to understand why 36 hr rotations are good 🥹

I calculate proviso dies in exactly 48 hrs in a lvl 2 tp with constant +.2 MR from control center combos… which is only sustainable bc I don’t have any better ops than a generic smiley but if that every changes like with a Eunectes, then I will suddenly be forced into 36 hr rotation… time to bite the bullet and stop being greedy lol

[steel temple]

Does this indicate whether its efficient or not?

[languid blaze]

lmd need twice that to be efficiency

[stoic spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/665253509914034216/1287614903032610878/mewmew.gif

mumu is calculating

[wind orbit]

i wish i understand math

[vital oriole]

back of the napkin math, assume all 25% ops
243: 700% factory prod
252 worst: 775% factory prod
252 best: 875% factory prod

[wise shale]

Id like to ask what is the most optimal base setup possible be if the entire right side of the base is maxed out?

Because my genius ( stupid ) self maxed out the right side before finding out that I wasnt supposed to do that.

[vital oriole]

wouldn't beat yourself up too much about it, its due to their bad design

generally all forms of 252 are more efficient

[wise shale]

Even with 3/5 factories not being maxed out?

[vital oriole]

correct
243: (4 factories x 100% production) + (12 operators x 25% production) = 700% production
252: (5 factories x 100% production) + (11 operators x 25% production) = 775% production

and its 4/5 not maxed out

at least for max right

[wise shale]

Thank you

[steel temple]

How do i make lmd production better? Is it js ops atp? I use 252

[leaden grove]

Well… use better combos. Have you checked the base combo guide to see which combos are possible with your roster? Btw you can show 3 days if you press the arrow next to the day

Also btw, no real reason to keep ops in your CC assistant after they’re 100% trust

[tender ravine]

For me, if 252 is 100%, my try hard 243 rotation is 97%(edit from 99%, I just recal it), something like that. But we still don't have a consensus of sanity value for everything related to base anyway. So we just assume 252 is better but don't know how much it is. But 252 which is not max right should be a lot better than 243.

But I forget that my case uses the best combo available. If not have all the best combos, the gap between 252 and 243 would be wider.

[leaden grove]

Can I use civilight (+RR%) and ela (+missing clue bias) in CC at the same time? Both are cc skills but only one provides a bonus

[leaden grove]

<@&586570970345635868> bot

Every channel btw

[steel temple]

i see ty

[pale yoke]

So true, 252 propagandists just assume they are better than everyone else

[round dock]

as someone who's been MR 252 for well over a year, I can say it's better than 243

I never have to worry about Gold, and even dipped into AO for a few weeks

[worldly flume]

good for 243, or should I change some of my rotas up?

[round dock]

gold is low, but I assume you're droning EXP and not TP

[worldly flume]

yeah droning exp cause I used up almost all my gold

will start droning lmd when I have a stockpile again

[round dock]

this is 252 droning Proviso TP

[worldly flume]

sheesh

[round dock]

not sure why gold was low on the 9th, I think I accidently capped

[worldly flume]

I need to convert to 252 one of these days, if its even possible

[round dock]

EXP was similar when I was 243 though

I kept 2 level 3 EXP Factories, 3 are level 2 Gold

and 1 level 2 TP with Proviso

[worldly flume]

lvl 2 forces proviso's trait to proc right?

[round dock]

more frequently if anything, it's in pin 4

[worldly flume]

still worth using her on lvl 3 tp or no?

[round dock]

yeah, she can still do better with that 3rd slot

it's just that gains aren't as "good"

[worldly flume]

ty

[leaden grove]

Yes, every order. Lvl3 is better since you have the extra slot but in power limited 252 you would want got go lvl 3 for more factory levels

[tender ravine]

The gap between 252mr and 243try-hard looks like 3% nowadays for all operators cases.

[arctic prism]

wdym by 243tryhard? as in all tp orders are cursed or 6h rotations

[jaunty notch]

damn

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[arctic prism]

lmao ikr

[jaunty notch]

HG constantly making changes that make 3 PP irrelevant too

[uncut dome]

His tryhard 243 is just 16-4-4

[arctic prism]

wut

[jaunty notch]

imagine sleeping for 4h

[old forum]

Guys Im new, I followed the instructions and now I'm here. So I need to upgrade the last two Factories to 3* and then what do I focus?? (I'm having trouble knowing when to change the units for better profit)

[uncut dome]

Even on 24-12 it would still be pretty close

And prob just even on standard just 12hr rotations since 252mr will overcap Weedy and Ros factories in around 10hrs

[jaunty notch]

ok what about on the case of no capping

so 8-8-8 or sth similar

24/12 rotations but no capping to be simpler

[wind orbit]

upgrade your training room to lv 3, you need it for operator masteries

then see if you still have spare power

2 lv3 (from 5 total) factory is enough
probably want to downgrade 1 TP to lv 2 if you have proviso e2

[arctic prism]

for grasping the general concept, id first take a look at pin 3: https://youtu.be/0si4HMQuYBo
then probably take a look at pin 4 noob tab: https://tinyurl.com/3ybfa66c
can also look at sample rotations in pin 4 > info > sample shifts

[uncut dome]

It's around 5% but that's with every good base op in the game considered, the more you don't have the greater 252 just becomes. But 252 is just easier to manage when you need LMD or EXP since you can simply have a flex fac.

[jaunty notch]

pretty sure 252 just beats 243 in both ends of the spectrum really

but you're saying it's even better the worse roster you have?

[rose knoll]

It's generally true if you're looking at a frequently rotated 243, since better dorms means more uptime for your best base skills

Also 243 used to benefit more from stuff like automation

But that hasn't been true for a while now

[pale yoke]

[vital oriole]

the amount of extra work it would even take to eek out that benefit makes 252 more efficient time commitment wise though. and even with that work I don't think it beats 252

(from hyper rotating the best teams)

[rose knoll]

Yeah 252 wins regardless

There's also the cursed proviso stuff lol

[vital oriole]

One of these days I want to spend 24 hours doing maximal cursed prov just to see the numbers lol

[jaunty notch]

not to mention the 6 activity rooms that gives 250 trust points daily

so overall trust farming is unnecessary p much

[vital oriole]

napkin math I think it would take me from like 65k a day up to 85~90k

[rose knoll]

I remember some super cursed shit about having a lv2 and lv1 tp to curse proviso between both of them

[jaunty notch]

i'm sure at the current moment CN 252 mr gets more trust than EN 243

[rose knoll]

How funny would 522 quintuple cursing be

@ phleg

[jaunty notch]

why not have 2 lv1s

[vital oriole]

having enough gb's to feed them

[arctic prism]

there was some guy a while back that switched lv 1 fac <-> lv1 tp every shift or smth and made it work lmao

i remember hard doubting but calced it and it seemed legit 🤷

[uncut dome]

I don't think there was any debate on which one wins since it's already a fact that 252 is better, it's just how much is 252 better over 243

[vital oriole]

10~25% better

max right~max left

[jaunty notch]

yeah i'm asking the bottom question mostly

[uncut dome]

Yea and I already answered that

[jaunty notch]

yep

[uncut dome]

It's just a matter of will people be bothered to change their setups for some % in increase of their daily income

[jaunty notch]

man i kinda want cube to come back and remake the trust stuff

since we got a new source for it

tho the moving around in base seems super unnecessary

[arctic prism]

napkin math doesnt check out on this one lol
if we assume all lv 3 facilities are equal value the absolute best case ML 252 has 1 extra facility over 243 -> 7/6 = 16.7%

[jaunty notch]

ok now calc credit returns

new base update at 7.0 fr fr

[arctic prism]

lmao

[jaunty notch]

and it's gonna be another +1% increase

like this one

10 more drone cap and +1% PP for Greyy

[uncut dome]

Nah

We'll get 1 more floor ||of trust rooms||

[jaunty notch]

yeah imagine giving players more passive income

[vital oriole]

775/700 = 1.10
875/700 = 1.25

[jaunty notch]

HG could def start by increasing cap for lower level facs/tps tho

maybe not TPs cuz jaye

but facs fosho

[warm fjord]

is Vina, Morgan + Indra/Dagda a better combo that Exia/Texas/Lap?

[valid storm]

with OG Siege yes, otherwise worse

[urban orchid]

do we got operator filter in base back in CN

[jaunty notch]

no

subclass filter yes

[urban orchid]

[pallid isle]

[floral ravine]

What’s the best base set-up for Orundum Farming

I think it’s time I swap

[valid storm]

Same as for normal, you just change the production of one of the factories and trading posts

[floral ravine]

So in 333

2 Gold Factories, 1 Orundum?

[valid storm]

Yes

[novel pier]

Has anyone tried out 153 with 5 exp production and Pepe in trading factory?

[vague geyser]

no because that sounds horrible

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/wisadel-waltuh-w-walter-arknights-gif-3812010922944326354

[pale yoke]

Pepe bad

[fluid pollen]

Simply does not make sense.

[valid storm]

I'd rather use 351

[pale yoke]

[orchid bane]

1-7 should have lower Furn rate drop right ?

[valid storm]

furniture drop rate is basically the same for all stages, except for the SK stages where they get a buff

[orchid bane]

[novel pier]

I feel like on paper it does.

Exp fac is better than gold bar fac but people only run it because gold bar is needed. Using Pepe cuts this necessity which allows you to funnel everything into the more efficient factory.

5 exp fac means you will never need to run LS-6 which is good since that stage sucks and you can just farm CE-6 whenever it’s up to make up for Pepe lack of lmd production

[uncut dome]

[languid blaze]

only time exp fac better than gold is when burn gold, and why farm lmd when base lmd prod high af. yeah run pepe lvl 1 tp 432 for efficiency.tho proviso eat to much gold that you don't wanna have another slot for tp.

[pale yoke]

yeee cant burn lmd fast enough they just keep piling up

mainly because lmd is produced much faster than xp

also waiting on chips

sitting on 24m

[fluid pollen]

[lusty lance]

this is my tryhard 243 (full rosmontis + eunec cp dead lancet) droning Proviso, and still worse than your 252

[orchid bane]

I am just the worst here

[stoic spoke]

[orchid bane]

what's so shocking my friend

[stoic spoke]

orundum farming

[orchid bane]

wait how di u

oh crap

[fluid pollen]

Ya couldn’t even crop properly.

[uncut dome]

Crop fail

[orchid bane]

please pretend you didn't see it

[uncut dome]

He did it on purpose

He was flexing on us

[fluid pollen]

Maybe he did yeah.

[orchid bane]

[stoic spoke]

yes

[fluid pollen]

[stoic spoke]

[orchid bane]

zyf still scare the hell outa me

[uncut dome]

How do I scare you huh??

[fluid pollen]

Who’s Zyf?

[uncut dome]

Oh right who's Zyf

Sounds like a really nice person

[orchid bane]

a ghost

[fluid pollen]

Oh you mean that Zyf.

[fluid pollen]

Yeah he was a scourge.

Ruined people’s hopes and dreams.

[orchid bane]

so scary

[uncut dome]

Nah no way

[orchid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-gif-12849861831894812

[uncut dome]

I heard stories that he's the most wholesome person

[fluid pollen]

All fabricated.

🥹

[orchid bane]

one day when you see the true face of zyf, it will break your heart

both literally and figuratively

[uncut dome]

[orchid bane]

[jaunty notch]

New zyf haters in the house?

[novel grove]

Lads. Does spalter and skalter count as AH team on base?? I heard there is some change regarding a faction related stuff on CN

[pallid isle]

nope

faction update doesn't seem to do anything to base

so no omega glasglow or ah or anything

[novel grove]

Thank you

[round dock]

I ran the whole thing too as 243

One of my old 243 3 day from like 2 years ago

[pale yoke]

gosh 2023 result

2025

that few % incremental increase sure stacks

[vague geyser]

shouldn't Rose Salt be 42% here?

[ivory lodge]

why would it be 42

[vague geyser]

lv3 TP = +3 cap
3 * 4% = 12%
30% + 12% = 42%

also you can't get +9% with 4% per cap, so it was probably calculated with +3% per cap from Jaye?

[ivory lodge]

probably just a mistake they made then

[jaunty notch]

brain fart moment surely

[faint quest]

is the setup in the ak base calc spreadsheet the most efficient right now?

for 252 at least

[jaunty notch]

if it's pin 5, ask @uncut dome

[faint quest]

ye pin 5

just wondering what i should work towards since i dont need to work on anything for regular gameplay

so i thought i might as well try optimising base

i have about half of all the units in that spreadsheet ready, so im trying to figure out who i should E2 next

[orchid bane]

This combo all have alter version now

But it is kinda sad that their baseskills have nothing to do with each other

[pale yoke]

Year 1 combo losing to offpick right now

[uncut dome]

Just updated it a bit, changed Mizuki Highmore to Crownslayer.

It should be the most efficient for a standard 12hr rotation that uses Saileach, if you don't value the certs much you can just stagger the Flametail Viviana and Eunectes combos.

[faint quest]

[grim shadow]

Is Proviso with full Glasgow (LV3 TP) more efficient than Proviso with Vigil (LV2 TP)?

[pale yoke]

yes if you're 3 powerplant setup

[grim shadow]

Running 252 here. How does that change the equation

[pale yoke]

the consideration is you could use the energy on more factory level and by having a lv2 TP you eliminate the possibility of a 4gold trade

means proviso works everytime on the lv2 tp

so 252 just go with tp2

[grim shadow]

Ight

[wind orbit]

can yatoalter last 12h on CC?

i see it drain fast

[pallid isle]

Yeah she lives one cycle

[tender ravine]

243 should not use dead lancet. Purestream 40% + Passenger 30% + Weedy 90% = 160% but lose 25% pp = 12.5% fac.

While you use normal Purestream 40% + Eunectes 40% + Weedy 60% = 140% and you can gain 25% pp = 12.5% fac. So it is 140% +12.5% = 152.5%. If one slot in cc can put something like Kal'tsit = 8% fac, overall will be 140% + 12.5% + 8% = 160.5%. And drone can gain a multiplyer from Proviso or both Proviso and Tequila like 1.59 or 1.66, so 12.5% can be 12.5% × 1.66 = 20.75%

My 243 drone tp

Drone gold

[lusty lance]

this is my setup atm, so I guess I'll just swap eunec to saileach or something?

[tender ravine]

I think Saileach is a good choice.

This is my 243 try hard. Fiam on 4 operators, Proviso, Tequila, Shamare and Minimalist every 12 hours.

[lusty lance]

insanely sweaty

respect

I don't have chong and ulpipi

[surreal folio]

Uh so I finally am getting in base stuff

I downgraded a TP for proviso

How should I split by factories? 2 lvl 3 and 3 lvl 2

[opal dock]

which is better in downtime

• farm rocks and converts every day
• stockpile rocks and convert at once

?

[novel grove]

The common setup is 33222.
But I like 33321 with all dorm lvl 1.
Solely because I have more three ops combos rather than two ops combos.
Ignore this if you have full sui set for exodia

[surreal folio]

Max right?

[novel grove]

Max right. Mine fcked up since year1

[surreal folio]

Hm how is it 33321

oh

1

interesting i see it now

i have it 32 32 for gold/exp

and the last 2 on gold i suppose thats the one i can switch back and forth

[novel grove]

33222 have one single dorm on lvl2. Thats 10 power right there.
Downgrading lvl2 fac into lvl1 fac will give another 20 power
Enough to upgrade lvl2 >> lvl3 fac

It is always 2gold 2exp 1 flexible.
Will usually run 2 gold with 3 exp. (You will slowly losing gold everyday btw)

[surreal folio]

Ah I see I see gotcha

Interesting

[novel grove]

Can switch back to 3gold 2 exp when that happens. Even 4 gold if you runs pozy tuye.

[surreal folio]

Yeah my fac workers are pretty bad right now

Sigh

Don't have the resources

But guess its just a waiting game but man

I only wonder how much its worth

I guess the 4* are worth it

[novel grove]

4★ is the most basic worker.
We recommend it because it is freaking cheap (since only e1, some works on e0)
For an old player. I suggest you are looking at the sheet and look at the combo, based on your account ops availability

[surreal folio]

Yeah just a few months old

Yeah I am looking at the combos

Notices 4* only needed E1 so I'll do those

[novel grove]

Good for you that we have a 1 dead week ahead of us. Use that to farm chips for E1 base slave then

[surreal folio]

yeap already thinking about that

thanks

[stoic spoke]

wait, we can fia 4 operators :roswao:? What conditions need to be satisfied for it?

[tender ravine]

Maybe because of the uptime of Chongyue. It is around 20 hrs per day.

[jaunty notch]

yeah cyue does make sham team last a lot longer

[stoic spoke]

shamare does whole TP MD+0.25 which is shown on the TP's counter

and then all 3 members have MD-0.25 individually, which isn't shown

so for calculating actual MD do I take the shown value and reduce 0.25 from it

in which case, the actual MD here should be 1-0.1-0.15-0.25?

so 0.5/hr?

does that mean they last 48hrs?

does seem like tequila is doing 48

[urban orchid]

How the heck, does removing operators from the same dorm as Fia, activate Fia dorm skill and replaces the morale of one of the removed operators?

[jaunty notch]

that's how it works

[wind orbit]

if i use dead lancet, is it'll disrupt my drone recovery too?

[pale yoke]

that's why i was upset when they remove the old function that enable us to remove ops without going into the dorm

actually devolving

[urban orchid]

The recreation of this behavior

It's GG who got full morale btw

[languid blaze]

Gg

[pale yoke]

[jaunty notch]

honestly it's best if you just do the swap with full ops

deselect full morale op, select target, double tap fiam

done

[opal dock]

is there any base planner sheet or smth?

[wind orbit]

Combo and calc on pin sir

[opal dock]

ok

[stoic spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648597683031900200/1334180784902246441/Link_4_in_Pins_Faster.gif

Actually, planner would be link 5

Bad gif smh

[rose knoll]

From what I understand, ops moving around are treated as individual actions

So when siege exits, wildmane exits slot 2 and enters 1, then JK exits 3 and enters 2, triggering fia

CN players figured it all out and the full details are on mooncell somewhere

[orchid bane]

the 1st action was moving fia to 1st slot, when GG was still in the dorm, and GG still the last who entered the dorm

[cedar steeple]

I just put the op i want in an empty dorm and then swap Fia in

Then i can click auto rest to fill everything else

[signal spruce]

do you convert carbon into building blocks before converting them into furniture parts?

[valid storm]

Don't do it, that's a loss on

[signal spruce]

so you just convert the carbon directly?

[valid storm]

yes

you have more than enough

[signal spruce]

just curious but don't you lose out on the extra stuff you can possibly get?

[valid storm]

no

[signal spruce]

by having more crafts

[valid storm]

so what you will lose a lot is , and then there's the morale cost, you can't run the high carbon byprod ops enough to make it worth

[signal spruce]

i see

[tender junco]

What would be the best pick here

This all 6 stars i got

[surreal folio]

this aint #help but guranteed ifrit on debuff

vanguard 50/50s you bagpipe but shes not really necessary now a days

[hollow pulsar]

Can anyone give me the link to beginner's guide on riic?

[clever quarry]

Pins

[hollow pulsar]

One of the link showed me this, but I can't click the beginner's guide... Why?

[arctic prism]

it's just the noob tab on the same sheet
here's a direct link to the tab
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYc2JU46X0XWmV7s1503bN4feRdOMa1eehrTQ2jGaiE/edit?gid=800801592#gid=800801592

[pale yoke]

Wth

[hollow pulsar]

Thx

[stoic spoke]

Go desktop mode

[summer sail]

Friends, how much lmd does your base make

A friend with a maxed 3-4-2 makes 70k lmd with 30k exp cards daily

Which is more than my 2-5-2

[fluid pollen]

If you look at lmd and exp only without looking at gold production and overall sustainability, an extreme example would be that 522/432 are the best layouts.

[summer sail]

Oh no we both have gold sustainable bases

Produce as much gold as lmd

[fluid pollen]

By maxed 342 is it max right or max left.

[summer sail]

What

He has 4 factories and 2 trading potss

[fluid pollen]

As in how is the right side looking and is there a production report you can show.

Bc higher level right side is lower levels on factories and tps.

[fluid pollen]

Oh I think you mean 243?

[summer sail]

Oh you're supposed to put the trading posts first mb

Kinda forgor

Says 90k but average is 70

[fluid pollen]

Is there a 3 day report, exp and gold seem really low.

Could just be late collection?

[summer sail]

Yeah he farms 1-7 for it actually nvm

His base isn't self sustainable

[fluid pollen]

Aight.

[summer sail]

I still kinda think with thr new ops the math has changed, maybe a full 2-4-3 is better now

Or maybe 2-3-3 but farming 1-7 for gold

[fluid pollen]

It hasn’t changed.

[summer sail]

I'd need to pull up the calc again, as i did 3 years ago

[fluid pollen]

Even doing 16 4 4 rots like Luniel would isn’t quite as efficient as a 252, even mr version.

[summer sail]

You sure? What's the bot command for the calculations

Been a while since i invasted time on this

[fluid pollen]

Should be this prob for efficiency comparison, you could also try your best to make a 243 to beat a 252 but probs not worth the time.

[fluid pollen]

^

[summer sail]

Does this reffer to the ops used in each facility?

[fluid pollen]

^ you can start reading from here and moving further down bc they had a discussion about it a few days ago.

[summer sail]

Ayy thx

[fluid pollen]

Just the values facility wise.

[wind orbit]

How to rotate fia usage
for Shamare, Teq, Bib +Proviso ?
is it every 12 hr?

[languid blaze]

fia proviso > teq > shama every 12h
make sure shama on 1st order in fac so she not lose any ramp

[wind orbit]

ooh, so we don't refresh bibeak.
is there any indicator for that skill ramp?

[languid blaze]

nope

[opal dock]

hell nah i picked the same and it dropped debuff
dont trust this guy

[plain gust]

Should i spread my fishes if i'm using ah squad ?
2 are in a lv3 gold fac, and should i put 2 in a lv2 factory or 1 in each lv2 factories ?
a bit scared i'll hit the cap with both in a single one

[jaunty notch]

If you’re concerned about cap then yeah you should split them up, however if you’re using multiple comps then you should only put 2 in 2 otherwise they disrupt combos

[plain gust]

i'll try to update my (very rough) spreadsheet and share it in a bit
Currently using pinus, AH, MH, a vermeil team, and a bryo team

[fading juniper]

HOLY SHIT I DID AN ADDICTION PULL AND GOT AROMA

Do I need to E2 warmy if I have aroma?

[opal dock]

guys
ops with -0.25 MD lasts for ~36 hrs?

or 32?

assuming i use XX3

[leaden grove]

Warmy is just a metalworker, aroma wants waai fu

[fading juniper]

I have why food

E2ed for years

[stoic spoke]

60hrs in lv3 building with 5 ops in cc

[opal dock]

hmm makes sense

[leaden grove]

Aroma + waai fu factory starts at .50 and ramps up to .85 in 12 hours

[fading juniper]

Damn, so now I need to E2 aroma, that one blue woman

And uhh

[leaden grove]

Aroma is very cute, it’s okay

[fading juniper]

Can I post my shifts again I've made progress

UNDERFLOW that's the blue woman's name

Alright ig I'll post them again

Asking y'all what I can minmax with what I (don't) have

SHIFT 1

🇨 🇨 : flametail, viviana, mlynar, kaltits, amiya
🔵 TP1: shamare, tequila, bibeak
🔵 TP2: proviso, vigil
🟡 Gold2: weedy, purestream
🟡 XP2: frostleaf and jessica ???
🟡 XP1: wildmane, highmore, mizuki
🟡 Gold1: bryophyta, gravel, haze
🟡 XP3: feater, conviction, ashlock
🟠 RR: ines, chen
🟢 PP: Greyy alt, goldenglow
🔴 HR: penance

SHIFT 2
🇨 🇨 : delphine (e2ed, I love her voice sm), yato alt, noir alt, 2 random rhine lab mfs
🔵 TP1: Morgan, siege, underflow E1 with ulp in training room (quarts in her place until she's E2)
🔵 TP2: proviso, TRC
🟡 Gold2: spot, warmy E1
🟡 XP2: silence alt, dorothy
🟡 XP1: vermeil, scene, ceobe
🟡 Gold1: Mayer E1, waaifu, marcille
🟡 XP3: vigna, castle, shirayuki
🟠 RR: Astesia E1, Red E2
🟢 PP: muelsyse, liskarm E1
🔴 HR: eyja

Missing: fartooth, chongus, pallas, ebenholz, rosmontis, hoederer, siege alt (I just got aroma a few mins ago)

I feel heavy judgment coming

[leaden grove]

I have the formula in my excel sheet, it’s basically
24 / (1-CC level buff+MR debuff-facility level-MR buff)

So in your example, it’s 24 / (1-.25+0-.1-.25) =60

The .1 assumes lvl 3 facility and that last .25 would be higher if you have mlynar or something

[leaden grove]

Yes bc you don’t have google sheets

[fading juniper]

Well I know someone who always keeps up with this

Still don't know how to use Google sheets to make my own thing

[opal dock]

alr
thx

[opal dock]

-# could i use excel?

[leaden grove]

Of course lol

[stoic spoke]

use pins 5th link

its just drop down and select operator

surely you can do that

[leaden grove]

Hopefully they don’t have mixed factories

[pale yoke]

[stoic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/wisadel-waltuh-w-walter-arknights-gif-3812010922944326354

[opal dock]

erm
anyways
how can i improve my base rn? (the multiple teams are set in my preset)

=== shared ===
cc: 
- amiya CE lavalt krooster greythroat
- jessalt paprika coldshot red scavenger

rr:
- ines canta
- gitano vigil

office: utage / ethan (may replace with tin man once i raised him)

pp 1/2: lisk / grey / goldenglow
pp 3: pudding / greyalt

fac 1 4 (gold):
- gravel haze spot
- jessica steward bry
- ptilo vanilla perfumer

tp 1 2 (lmd)
- PL team with lapipi1
- silverash jaye e0 proviso
- chilchuck mousse yato

=== standard lmd dumping 2 4 3 ===
XP1: 
- vigna wmane silence
- astegnne kroos1 minimalist

XP2: 
- beanstalk click popukar
- quartz aroma shirayuka

=== AO farming 3 3 3 ===
AO:
- lava earthspirit midnight
- chestnut mint totter

tp 3 (AO):
- fang gummy mela
- ambriel catapult orchid```
I might give u my krooster if u want, just havent updated it yet

[fading juniper]

fuck it imma go on PC bruh

bro I cant put ifrit's name on there 😭

are there any other random rhinelabs that are in the dropdown of cc

Screw it this is too much work

I shouldn't need to teach myself to use a program I've never used just to minmax my fucking fallout shelter in a tower defense game

[fading juniper]

@arctic prism Asking you before I continue this and E2 my underflow, I just got aroma

thank you in advance

[surreal folio]

Don’t trust this guy, his luck sucks

[arctic prism]

if your mayer is still e1 just replace her with aroma and e2 her instead
or if warmy is e1 and mayer is e2, replace warmy with mayer and put aroma in mayers original spot

[fading juniper]

tyvm, is that all I can do?

(Its the latter btw)

marcile waai fu aroma, checks out

[arctic prism]

yeah that's it if the only new notable addition to your roster is aroma

[orchid seal]

252 is 3 fac for exp and 2 for gold right?

[arctic prism]

usually 3 gold 2 exp bc 2 gold cant keep up with 2 tp

[somber jacinth]

What are some beginner friendly base teams for LMD prod? If there is a guide can you link it directly it's not opening for me in pins 😕

Not even joking

[arctic prism]

probably this

[opal dock]

[runic condor]

Help insufficient power 252 max left, is my layout wrong?

[leaden grove]

If you want absolute max left then you either need no 4th dorm or lvl 2 training room

[dark geode]

so i did the 252 start so my Office stayed at lv1 all the time and my recruitment slots are still at 2:

1. if i were to upgrade the ofice to lv3 just to unlock the slots and downgrade it again would it work?
2. can i even downgrade the office after i upgrade it?
3. if none of the above does that mean i should stay all the time at 2 recruitment slots?

[jaunty notch]

2. no 3. yes

[dark geode]

well that's good to know, thank you

[pallid isle]

as long as your consistent enough with recruits

theres a high chance or a lot of time you can just actually still run out of recruit permits

even with just the 2 slots

i tend to almost never go past 50 recruits even with buying all the monthly ones and the extra ones from credit shop

so it really makes those extra slots even more moot

not to mention now everything is 0 cost for recruit so your not even getting a money discount anymore

[trail roost]

anyone alive? i have a few small questions

[fluid pollen]

[split plover]

proviso has been in my trading post basically nonstop since i got her

i just fiammetta her and straight back she goes

9-9 job

[stoic spoke]

[fluid pollen]

Uh huh she works 24/7.

[faint quest]

didnt realise how insane proviso is for base lmao, like i knew she was good but she nearly doubled my daily LMD from trading post

[tender ravine]

Does Ifrit do anything in cc? You can just put her in the dorm if you mean for Muelsyse's skill. If you don't have any good operators in cc, just leave it empty.

Zyf just set operators that have a skill for that facility or some operators that can be good for some skill. If he puts all opeators in every facility, it will be very hard to find an operator with skill.

[plain gust]

Hi, trying to set up a good base rotation with those https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K_wIyt7s43gxa7qjqoGAbgIHLWB7_QT7apRT7opwg60/edit?usp=sharing
Assume that i do not really know who to put in blank spots, is the rotation correct for now ?
Who should i put in those spots ?
Anything you see that should be modified/adressed ? Also i assume AH shift won't be 12 hours
Here's my krooster for reference (is not up to date, and i e2'd quite a few base slaves since, but units are pretty much the same) https://krooster.com/u/mayuhiko

[harsh wigeon]

• Gladiia will not last full 12h
• Ulpianus should not be paired with Weedy as Weedy will take away Ulp's 40%, so keep Purestream paired with Weedy
• Can run Flametail team for another shift for EXP

For blank spaces:
CC: Eunectes (Normal/Dead Lancet), Jessica Alter, Smilies
TP: Underflow with Ulp in Dorm, Exu, Quartz all good subs
Gold: Spot, Jessica/Vanilla with Jessica Alter, Waai Fu
PP: Ifrit, GG, E2 Greyy Alter (match Weedy)

[plain gust]

Thanks !
So should i run knights with MH for one more shift ?
i'll e2 eunectes and greyy2 too

[plain gust]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K_wIyt7s43gxa7qjqoGAbgIHLWB7_QT7apRT7opwg60/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Kinda filled everything, i'm not sure how/where i'm supposed to fit eunectes, does she need to replace someone in rota 2 and 3 ?
Does that look like a good rotation rn ? can you use viviana +7% alongside kaltsit's ?

[harsh wigeon]

You don't actually need to run dead lancet since you are not consuming that much gold but if you want to see how to fit it in. And yes it stacks https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iKCBGd2V9sExQ0ixaP_3Czu33VlyAB-T3x-W9tOoeeM/edit?usp=sharing

WaaiFu can go up to 40% so you'll want her in the lvl 3, but if you don't have her E2 it's not really a big priority and you can just put Haze/Spot/25%.

[plain gust]

Oh yeah got it, i'll actually save that/screenshot it in case i want to refer to it and compare it to mine
I see a few things that are better than what i did already
Should i keep using mumu for PP ? is there a reason you didn't include her ?
Where would i use waaifu in a lv3 fac ? Seems like bryo/vermeil/pinus/ah team are better no ?

Thanks a lot for the spreadsheet btw, it's a lot of help

Ah actually i see where you used waai fu, was looking at the wrong one

[harsh wigeon]

Waai Fu is 40% with the right team, if you replace Haze with her, she is 5% better. For base meta's she's usually paired with Aroma
Mumu is just a lot of work, if you want to do the work you can use her, just need to stick Rhine ops into dorm/tr etc

[plain gust]

Got it, thanks a lot

[pale yoke]

Waiting for the chips update be like

[cinder tree]

New player, is this correct? i just want to copy something thats smart without crunching math for a day

[round lichen]

You probably won’t be able to keep training room at Lv 1 indefinitely

[arctic prism]

He insisted on not using any dorm workers because they're too much effort

He doesn't have anyone else better to use in cc anyway other than smilies so I told him just throw his Rhine in cc if he wants to use muelsyse that badly

Muelsyse is like the antithesis of low effort high return but i don't make the rules

[pale yoke]

Idk what happened before but wtf

[round lichen]

(Trying to put the square piece in the circle hole) this shit is IMPOSSIBLE , why does NOTHING work

[sacred crystal]

I accidentally tapped on this chat and was immediately greeted by the word Gladiia and now I am confused. That is all.

[hardy bronze]

hello uh erm

is there an orundum farming guide for 243

or like does the one in pins work

[leaden grove]

If you’re 243 then just do whatever

Not like you care about efficiency

🥁