help

[tidal crow]

and idk if i should still reroll

[odd sky]

you should stop

[robust thistle]

didnt you just say youre aiming for both

if youre done rerolling, just use the pramalt one

[tidal crow]

im sorry whats a pramalt lmao

[robust thistle]

pramanix alter

[odd sky]

rerolling is painful, and going for 2 is more painful

[robust thistle]

what is a pramanix

[tidal crow]

yea i meant it was on that banner that i got 2x silverashes , feeling tired from the rerolling just wanna get into the game lmao

[robust thistle]

I mean use this one

[opaque remnant]

you can stop and just use the account with pramalt

[deft aspen]

Till which level should I mod hoshi2

[opaque remnant]

mod3 if you can

[tidal crow]

thanks everyone 🙂

[deft aspen]

Thanks and I should mastery sa2 skill 2, right?

[left tulip]

is phonor any worthwile

[robust thistle]

no

[left tulip]

nvm wait i have a 5 star from this too

[glossy schooner]

No but it’s funny to have a level 30 robot, a bit of a waste but funny

[odd sky]

it's 30 e0 lvls, what are you losing really

[raven ermine]

9k lmd

[robust thistle]

opportunity cost

[cerulean elbow]

Who?

[left tulip]

wdym?👀

[cerulean elbow]

Who?

[raven ermine]

Oh it's not even 9k lol
It's 10k exp 6k lmd

[odd sky]

silver ash the reignfrost, sa2 salter, sash2

[opaque remnant]

silverash the reignfrost

[raven ermine]

That's the price to max a 1*

[left tulip]

oh i see

[sturdy juniper]

what would ur say is the difficulty jump between is3 ed3 and ed4

[bold mist]

any recommended emulators for ak?

[robust thistle]

Whats is3 ed4 again, izumik?

[sturdy juniper]

yuh\

[odd sky]

ed3 is isharmla

[coarse notch]

massive, not even close

[robust thistle]

Pretty big then, ed3 is just dps ungabunga

[sturdy juniper]

coz isharmla was like 2 tapped lol

[raven ermine]

mumuplayer/ldplayer

[coarse notch]

ldplayer, mumu, gpg are the common ones

[steel plinth]

Should I pull on the orienting headhunting ?

[sturdy juniper]

but whats the difficulty of ed4 from

[odd sky]

we got the first one guys

[sturdy juniper]

izumik dmg? or just lots of things everywhere

[robust thistle]

Yes

[polar hollow]

hi is there anything I should be doing rn or am I just like chillings now?
https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/Sandstorm

[odd sky]

no imo

[sturdy juniper]

yes as in both?

[glossy schooner]

Every question you ask about banners will be answered with, Save for Wang

[steel plinth]

Okay

[left tulip]

btw how is glaucus

[sturdy juniper]

kinda mid

[odd sky]

decel binder drone killer somehow what

[opaque remnant]

hoshi2 mod3 S3M3, also pram mod in pins

[glossy schooner]

Drone killer, too bad any modern op that hits air EXISTS

[sturdy juniper]

cool s2 but you wont even use her that much even for drones

[native cargo]

is cliffheart good for base

[left tulip]

binder? that doesnt sound sooooo bad at least 🥹 (im not raising anyway ofc)

[young glacier]

All your shit is infinitely cursed. Boss fart killed half of your units. "How long is this damn stun?" into 20 enemies leak which is not on enemy counter. Oh also entire stage is stun immune and on block transforms into fun shit like freeze spiders and bind casters

[raven ermine]

Well finish your masteries for starters

[abstract mauve]

decel binder i.e. slower (she doesnt bind)

[raven ermine]

The jellyfish goes in the square hole

[odd sky]

jellyfish hole :realmad:

[abstract mauve]

oh wait she does bind
uhhh damn

could've sworn it was stun but wtvr

[robust thistle]

She stuns drones and binds everything else

[abstract mauve]

i thought it was only stun. didnt realize she had a bind part ye

[odd sky]

what is glaucus vendetta against drones

[robust thistle]

Her entire concept is shes an EMP

[delicate locust]

can anyone tell me what Gavial Alter, NTR, and Flametail do respectively and what their use cases are
(I dont care about meta)

[abstract mauve]

didnt know an emp crippled my feet but what do i know

[robust thistle]

Gavialt is blaze 2.0
NTR is skadi 2.0
Flametail is a pioneer

[pale tapir]

with dodge!

[raven ermine]

Those, but flametail is a base slave

[odd sky]

gavialt is guard m3

[delicate locust]

wait wdym by that for Gavialt

[young glacier]

Ah yes Pinus club EXP factory

[abstract mauve]

gavialter: s2 high uptime generic laneholder with good range. s3 same thing but less range worse uptime. less atk but gets aspd on top of it
NTR: s2 helidrop. s3 shit ST true damage.
Flametail: texas sidegrade idk i dont use her. oh she dodges yeah

[robust thistle]

wdym, shes just blaze, but better

[frank rune]

is chen alter 2 strong in the current meta?

[raven ermine]

Are we spamming the ❓ for fun ?
Ask if you have a question, she's a baseslave idk what to tell you 2

[slender temple]

Serviceable, nothing over the top

[delicate locust]

no cuz i just remember that blaze was good for afk laneholding i didnt know gavialt was also good for that

[frank rune]

we're talking about the sword chen alter right that comes with wang?

[abstract mauve]

she's decent. not strong but new mod makes her usable

[robust thistle]

afk isnt good, shes good because shes not afk

[pale tapir]

good in like
2020

[odd sky]

chen alter 2? the arts guard?

[abstract mauve]

that's chen3 or chenalteralter

[young glacier]

What meta? Current meta is kill it dead and Chen3 can kill just like other 50 operators

[frank rune]

ye

[feral scarab]

Sounds like a plan for investment? Right?

[robust thistle]

can skip skalter

[frank rune]

oh i said alter 2 cause 2nd alter but yea is that chen strong in current meta

[abstract mauve]

oh she's amazing ye. over 5k arts dps not considering her dragon which scales its damage based on enemy hp 😭

[feral scarab]

I got her specifically from store 😅

[robust thistle]

doesnt change the answer

[feral scarab]

Kk

[odd sky]

skalter is very low prio

[native cargo]

is spectre good for base?

[robust thistle]

does jack shit in base

[odd sky]

AH team ig

[raven ermine]

Good if you have the whole AH gang, and are willing to put up with being abused by 7h rotations

[feral scarab]

Ah Gladia also I need her

[polar hollow]

which ones

[young glacier]

Me who remembers to rotate base only 25 hours later:

[rain bridge]

Hello everyone. Which healer is better Ptilopsis or Silence? Or both good for different scenarios?

[formal shadow]

latter

[robust thistle]

you get both from the selector, wdym

[pale tapir]

you should have both by the end of the week
read beginner guide in roadless in pins

[rain bridge]

Yes, but do i use both?

I will get Amiya soonish

[robust thistle]

unless you have someone better, or are smart enough to not use 2 medics

I will get amiya soonish
shes literally there the moment you create your account

[odd sky]

imagine running medics smh

[rain bridge]

I mean the medic version

[native cargo]

whos best here for base

[pale tapir]

~~just run supporters 🥱 ~~

[robust thistle]

the medic version isnt a healer

[slender temple]

She's, infact, an art dps

[rain bridge]

Wtf

[robust thistle]

read how incantation medics work first

[rain bridge]

Ah ok haha.

[odd sky]

feater

[slender temple]

Incantation medic isn't meant for healing most the time

[robust thistle]

we're getting another mrbeast sponsor crypto soon

[odd sky]

how do you know? insider?

[rain bridge]

Ok thanks guys.

[robust thistle]

see

[pale tapir]

bro had future vision

[formal shadow]

he directs the bot-holy shit

[odd sky]

holy shit <@&586570970345635868>

[glossy schooner]

Holy shit, you can see the future

[opaque remnant]

where's the mods to murk this guy

[delicate locust]

pain

[native cargo]

how bout here whos best here for base

[opaque remnant]

that was fast

[robust thistle]

have you read roadless camelot in the pins, theres a voucher guide there

[opaque remnant]

base... is not a priority for you currently, follow the beginner guide

[pale ravine]

effects only once?

[native cargo]

i alr hve lappland and ptilopsis

[delicate locust]

how far into the story r u?

[robust thistle]

which part are you referring to

[hollow harbor]

Reed will be the shop operator right?

[native cargo]

erm act 1

i just rolled on beginner banner

[robust thistle]

get specter

[raven ermine]

wis s2m3, blaze2 s3m3, hoshi2 s3m3 mod3, ng s3m3, rosmo s2m3 is mod3 , yu s3m3, canta s1m3, pram2 s3m3 mod1 at least
Also ethan mod3, indigo s2m3 mod3, shamare s2m3

[pale ravine]

once you get at least 1 6 stars from the selected, the selected operators will be returned to standard hence the other operators can then appear

[delicate locust]

yea focus on getting operators for the battles right now, base isnt top priority until you get far enough into the story (because u need a bunch of resources to upgrade the base anyways)

[robust thistle]

where does it say that

[pale ravine]

so it isn't once? i am asking im not sure its saying that tho

[robust thistle]

if it doesnt say that, then it doesnt do that

[pale ravine]

nice, i thought it was one time effect thing

[odd sky]

what you selected is all you get for 6*

[marble viper]

is is3 f3 below rob ez?

[haughty holly]

type normal challenge

[sudden bramble]

Can I already start using silveralter at E1? ik ik, I'll e2 him as quick as possible, just a question, since I can't have the materials yet

[slender cloud]

still don't understand what this is

[haughty holly]

S2 is a viable skill

[sudden bramble]

Hard hard more hard more, like a hard hardcore

[static glade]

It's nothing

[slender cloud]

his 2nd skill is very good already

[odd sky]

tldr just play standard environment
when available play adverse instead

[haughty holly]

Basically if u do challenge u can claim the rewards as if u done normal and story
If u do normal u claim reward from normal and story

It's a bunch of yap for something as simple as u claim reward for the current difficulty ur playing and below

[pale tapir]

difficulty slider basically
if you clear adverse you get rewards for standard and story as well
it's like better CM

[marble viper]

penance s2 or s3?

[odd sky]

generally s3, s2 is a bit niche

[polar hollow]

why indigo masteries?

[quick jolt]

if you use indigo, she needs masteries

[haughty holly]

Does Kal s3 need masteries

[raven ermine]

Because she's already e2'd and to function properly she needs mastery and module

[sudden bramble]

I love using her but since this is a help chat, I would say, only if you really wanna keep her in your team, you got better options

[coarse notch]

m9 ros while you're at it

[haughty holly]

Explode

[halcyon solar]

civilight eterna skill to m3?

[delicate locust]

if an operator is added to kernel banner does it also appear in top op tags

[coarse notch]

unrelated

[robust thistle]

is not doing her masteries an option

[delicate locust]

so no?

[sudden bramble]

Is rosmontis good, or uhh nah? Kinda liked her a bit but I don't wanna just straight up waste materials.

[coarse notch]

only in is3 and is5
dumpster useless outside of it

[halcyon solar]

i bought her skin so i want to build her

[haughty holly]

Eh besides IS
Is rosmantis usable in gen content

[sudden bramble]

Good question idk

[steady pine]

Which skill is better to use for AlterSA?

[robust thistle]

you cna use her at SL7 if you dont have specific usage for her

[delicate locust]

dang will more operators be added into top op tags? I have a majority of them so i'm interested in future top op tags

[left tulip]

How’s reed alter?👀

[coarse notch]

shes fine

[robust thistle]

not good enough to pull or buy

[haughty holly]

S3 easier to use and last an eternity + dp gain
S2 if u want to do schwing and cause a nuke on high atk ops deployment

[left tulip]

fine where

[coarse notch]

gen content

[left tulip]

nothing outside?

[robust thistle]

mid

[coarse notch]

not really

[haughty holly]

[raven ermine]

Been working quite decently in d15 IS6 too
No clue about dlc2 tho, but for now, the performance is pretty good

[left tulip]

unfort, does she have some unique niche

[steady pine]

Thx

[coarse notch]

i think she was coped for the reflect spines in ed5 but i dont play is6 so idk how that panned out

[coarse notch]

no, shes just a decent caster who happens to heal a lot on skill

pretty decent but nothing notable

[quick jolt]

she can be used to chain explosions on huge groups of weak mobs but its more of a gimmick than a real use

[haughty holly]

@raven ermine do u know gang about Ros being usable outside is

[opaque remnant]

secret caster, decent, doesn't serve much

[coarse notch]

oh you meant rosmontis not reedic whoops
idk whats going on in is6 ngl

[opaque remnant]

the frame killer

[coarse notch]

shes not

[raven ermine]

You can cope her if you really want to, but that's like bottom of the barrel for 6*
Ngl, the answer is no

[quick jolt]

useable is a low bar anyway

[coarse notch]

good for hit count if you care about that for some reason

[haughty holly]

Ok thanks

[raven ermine]

Yep rosmo
Pretty decent starter with snipermed, i don't find myself drafting her outside of it tho, and snipermed isn't really meta

[coarse notch]

interesting

[quick jolt]

afaik she has no meta use whatsoever in is6
same with reed as you were mentioning earlier, i havent heard anything about her being drafted even for ed5 ever since it first came out

[coarse notch]

snipermed seems kinda eh in is6 unfortunately

cube mentioned reedic and mon3tr as candidates for killing the reflect spines in ed5
from what ive heard it kinda disappeared now

[quick jolt]

mon3tr might still work bc she does real damage, those spines are tanky as fuck

[raven ermine]

Chetto core is decent, rosmo is more of an offbrand pick, but i've had no issue with it, cleared every ending and ed23 with snipermed too
Meta is overrated if you don't aim for 90%+ winrate

[quick jolt]

i honestly doubt reed can even kill one in the first place, idk though

[raven ermine]

Also gives me a reason to draft april, so win win

[left tulip]

why reed for killing those? because of her also healing herself?

[coarse notch]

well that was the logic but dont quote me is6 isnt my thing yet

[quick jolt]

correct yeah i believe people just wanted operators that can kill them without dying. stuff like hoshi w/ red mode, mon3tr, reed

[ancient sonnet]

Is the next banner right like really skippable?

[quick jolt]

mlynar being gone plummets the value into hell tbh

[robust thistle]

if you dont have both trag and ulpian, maybe 1 6star is fine

[opaque remnant]

Then you get blaze2

[robust thistle]

shrimply dont pick balatro

[abstract mauve]

if narantuya was there it would've been ookkk
but they removed nara and mlynar

[opaque remnant]

Replaced by mid and mid

[quick jolt]

they removed basically everybody that wouldve been a genuinely decent 3rd choice

zuo le isnt bad but i doubt 90% of people can find use out of him

[median widget]

Should I replace anyone here with astgenne the lightchaser?

[abstract mauve]

oh yeah they removed nymph as well 😭

[quick jolt]

from what i have seen less experienced people struggle to use him in the first place

[quick jolt]

absolutely not, do not build her

[abstract mauve]

[median widget]

Oh okay

[keen hedge]

Stainless is still in next orienteering banner?

[ancient sonnet]

Yes, they added Blaze alter and Swire alter

[keen hedge]

Ok thanks

[abstract mauve]

she's better than a few units but it's better to keep your resources for future 6*s you get. your team is plenty strong enough as is already so just save the mats

[steady pine]

Choose for me next e2 lumen, saria or Gladiia

[robust thistle]

is neither an option

[frozen dawn]

do you have anyone else

[ancient sonnet]

What else do you have, cause ugh...

[abstract mauve]

astgenne2 would be better

[frozen dawn]

https://www.krooster.com/u/metroplex_291
should i take a pause in building 6* and work on building base slaves or am i good to go without that?

[odd sky]

should build base slaves

[frozen dawn]

alr

[dry basin]

Are there any ops that i should try to get from shop in future? Im thinking of buying mountain or exu

[glossy schooner]

That is a Terrible choice

[robust thistle]

you buy neither of those

[dry basin]

Well that didnt exaxtly answer the question but thanks for the advice

[delicate locust]

only use case for exu now is base skill

[frozen dawn]

ulpianus is coming to shop sometime this year i heard

[delicate locust]

YO HE IS? I WAS GENIUINELY CONSIDERING SWIPING FOR HIM

[steady pine]

Ines

[delicate locust]

yo you just saved me 30$ ty

[lofty vale]

This year being very literally
There’s a long time till end of the year

[dry basin]

Is he still far away? I can get enuf for him if he is around oct or sept

[frozen dawn]

yeah but this year . i am not sure when

[delicate locust]

no rush i still got a backlog of like 12 6 stars to build (not including upcoming banners)

[frozen dawn]

yeah build ines

[ancient sonnet]

Build Ines lmao

Yeah, not really

[delicate locust]

maybe if u want ulpianus or tragodia

[lofty vale]

Worth is very subjective but it’s a worse banner overall
But it’s still a 66% rate up of Tragodia and Ulpianus compared to a normal 50% banner

It’s just that most people probably want to start saving up for the next limited banner

[frozen dawn]

nope better save for limited

[rain forge]

If you’re very new then ulpianus tragodia zuo le seems good but otherwise it’s not worth pulling

If you want ulpianus or trag then just cert ulpi and pull for trag in his rerun

[lofty vale]

Cert Ulpi being given as an advice like up to half a year before his shop debut is wild

Okay it’s not even an up to, it can be more than half a year

[frozen dawn]

i mean you can save up a lot of certs till then

[lofty vale]

Sure but do you even know what you want for breakfast next week

[frozen dawn]

yes

[lofty vale]

A lot of things can change in this duration of time

[opaque remnant]

Hey, it gives people time to prepare the certs for it sooo

[robust thistle]

keyword is 'want' here

[frozen dawn]

better than a chance of drowning in tens of pulls and not getting ulpianus

[pale ferry]

hello guys where can we get the blue material for silverash promotion 2

[rain forge]

[robust thistle]

if they dont 'want' him anymore by the time hes here, then theyre free to not buy him
the point is this banner is very skippable

[rain forge]

if advice worked like that then we wouldn’t have any wang pull reccomendations yet

[pale ferry]

the polymerized gel

[safe tundra]

gels are unlocked to be craftable as early as ch5

[split sphinx]

you can get them from IS/RA

[pale ferry]

oh i see, thanks

[frozen dawn]

should be craftable in workshop lvl3 if u cleared ch 4

[rain forge]

the banner is decent if someone is giga new but aside from that yeah it’s kinda shit

[ancient sonnet]

If you click on the item it will show you where it can be obtained from. If it has workshop then clicking on that will show you the stage you need to clear to craft it

[pale ferry]

I found it thanks, I just need to farm the sub materials

[obsidian inlet]

Do i have to make China Email to play on CN server?

[rain forge]

You need a Chinese phone number and a bilibili account

[frozen dawn]

rob a chinese

[rain forge]

your best bet is to emigrate to china

[obsidian inlet]

Watdehel

[frozen dawn]

gl

[uncut haven]

hello does anyone know when i get the 600 orundums for filling out the survey?

[obsidian inlet]

If i didnt find one, i'll rob you instead

[frozen dawn]

im not chinese bro

[ancient sonnet]

You'll get it by mail when the survey period ends

[uncut haven]

ah okay, ty

[silver smelt]

dont u need an ID?

[turbid ocean]

theres two CN servers

bilibili server and official

bilibili server doesn't require much, ID doesn't have to be CN

[abstract mauve]

bilibili might require your foreign ID tho

[candid badger]

still need ID verification for bilibili

[silver smelt]

ya

[crude monolith]

is there any anni/celebration where hg usually gives a free 5* selector? besides new year

[limber marsh]

Xi Jingping
Give me CN AK and my social credit is urs

[rain forge]

what’s the difference btw

[haughty silo]

is astgenn token pot a mandatory items to buy?

[robust thistle]

no but its an investment

[shadow bay]

for when rerun u get gold certs upon repurchase

[broken flame]

Purchase it to get 70 gold certs when the event reruns

[haughty silo]

how much does it cost for full pot

[shadow bay]

it starts at 250 yeh???

it would be... 250 +300+350+400+450?

yeh someone would confirm it...

[inland swallow]

worth it! then i have to farm more for her copies then

[haughty silo]

i'll volunteer

oh it is, it's 1750

thanks guys

[urban sleet]

You should be farming only event and annihilations during event regardless

[silver smelt]

do we have any idea of next shoperator

[urban sleet]

Supposed to be hoederer if you mean debut

[silver smelt]

damn

[inland swallow]

ah also until when player can farm for event currency? 2 weeks since the sash alter banner start or longer than that?

[dense veldt]

https://www.krooster.com/u/frankk advise who to prio modules on pls, mastery and lvling aswell would be nice ty 🙏

[frozen dawn]

wtf is this account

😭 bro is ts your troll acc

[south glacier]

whats wrong w it lol

[frozen dawn]

nah the lvl1's

[dense veldt]

its my only account LOL i just got lazy to put the levels

[urban sleet]

Limited events last 1 week longer than their banner (excluding collabs)

[dense veldt]

also came from hiatus for 3 years if ur wondering why i dont have most meta 😭

[robust thistle]

you know you can just import your account right

[dense veldt]

wait fr? no i didnt

[robust thistle]

[frozen dawn]

wisadel module lvl3, logos necrosis module lvl3, sakiko mod lv3

[frozen dawn]

oh so u manually input the characters

[dense veldt]

yes... i thought thats how everyone did it LMAO

[frozen dawn]

theres an import option bud

[static glade]

;-;

[shadow bay]

i mean theres a day where import doesnt exist

and yeh it was used manually inputting data

[dense veldt]

https://www.krooster.com/u/frankk here 🤣

[pseudo flume]

Wao you are stuck in the Olden Era

When Import didn't exist

[dense veldt]

i stopped playing for 3ish yrs LOL

[odd sphinx]

Is sui’s garden of grotesqueries meant to be so difficult even at guided tour 1? I just can never beat the final boss, I don’t really know what I’m doing wrong? Or am I meant to be playing it on repeat and losing so I get more permanent upgrade points?

[robust thistle]

both

1. youre new
2. you picked suboptimal units
3. you dont know the optimal strat

[odd sphinx]

what exactly is the optimal strat/units?

[robust thistle]

#is-station pins

[upbeat tulip]

should i replace someone with her

[lofty vale]

I used the operators you had to clear all content in the game
I also just came back after 4 years

[crude path]

Is kaltsit Is module good

[lofty vale]

You’ll be fine

[pseudo flume]

You have a ton of missing Masteries and Modules

Logos S3M3 Mod∆3
Wis'adel S3M3 Mod3
Sakiko Mod3
Hoshiguma2 Mod3
Pram2 Mod1
Haruka S2M3 Mod1
SilverAsh2 S2M3, S3M3 (S3 first)
Ceobe Mod3 (Dry Bread)

[frozen dawn]

of what

[pseudo flume]

Replace Melantha

[upbeat tulip]

with kal right

[pseudo flume]

Do you have a question?

[turbid ocean]

Use appropriate language
And this isn't the place to blog keep pulls in #salt-mines

[modest crater]

is it useful?

[turbid ocean]

potentials are whatever for the most part

[lofty vale]

Oh wow you have a lot of meta ops

[pseudo flume]

Kal is considered a Laneholder not a Medic because of how Selfish she is smh

[modest crater]

kk got it

[upbeat tulip]

loool

[pseudo flume]

Seriously though, she won't heal other shit even when others are close to death when either her or Mon3tr is scratched

So that's why she's mostly used in IS

[modest crater]

booo tomatoes tomatoes

[slate sigil]

tried to get wisadel until ill have 120 cerf to get another 10 pulls for next banner, that 10 i got with another duplicates pram and sa, is that worth to continue pull for her?

[pseudo flume]

No

If you wanted big dmg just wait for Wang

[turbid ocean]

you're pulling for wisadel?

[lofty vale]

Do you have Ptilopsis? Probably want to replace Silence now before you raise her

[turbid ocean]

not even sparking?

[slate sigil]

i just tried to test my lucky

[turbid ocean]

the chances of getting wisadel naturally is abysmal

[upbeat tulip]

imma go look

[pseudo flume]

Its a 0.21% chance of getting her offrate

[slate sigil]

[slate sigil]

...

[turbid ocean]

Astrel making up numbers or what

[pseudo flume]

You really burning your future luck for this :ICANT:

[frozen dawn]

1 more pull bro trust

[pseudo flume]

Wasn't it 0.21% or was it 0.15%?

[slate sigil]

i got five 6* in 140 pulls

[dense veldt]

very much appreciated 🙏

[turbid ocean]

thats decent but not that crazy lucky

[slate sigil]

i think i burned it completely

[pseudo flume]

Im probably mixing up chances from other stuff

[shadow bay]

imagine spending 140 pulls

[turbid ocean]

Its 2.3% chance when you get a 6* for it to be wisadel
and 2% chance to even get a 6*

[frozen dawn]

i did 220 for 4 6*

[slate sigil]

i was thinking it's around 30% if it's 6*

[turbid ocean]

30% offrate chance

the offrate pool is huge

[pseudo flume]

35/35/30
Rate up - 70% Total
Offrate - 30%

[slate sigil]

aight will save for wung wang

[turbid ocean]

of that 30%, 7.8% of it is Wisadel, so effectively 2.3%

[pseudo flume]

That 30% is the combined chance of all currently available Standard ops and previous limited ops

[lofty vale]

That’s higher than I thought wow

Wait no it’s 2.3% of a 6 star

[pseudo flume]

So 0.0069%?

[turbid ocean]

0.047% on any roll before pity ramp up

[pseudo flume]

Wait no its 2% for a 6 star chance then 30% of that is a offrate

[turbid ocean]

lets say overall 0.068% with pity ramp up

good fucking luck

[pseudo flume]

I can't math

[slate sigil]

[robust thistle]

we can tell

[turbid ocean]

astrel this parroting needs to be stopped

[lofty vale]

0.066% odds taking the average 6 star odds including soft pity

[turbid ocean]

yes

[frozen dawn]

does it even matter if its 0.069 or 0.067

[turbid ocean]

you wouldn't know if it mattered or not

[pseudo flume]

People will have an extra sliver of cope

[lofty vale]

Just get lucky

[robust thistle]

its like the efficiency sheet

[turbid ocean]

just a matter of long term

[robust thistle]

it matters until you dont care about it

[frozen dawn]

u have reached the end of it if you are mathing your cope

[turbid ocean]

you do almost 1000 pulls a year average
it will matter

[lofty vale]

Considering that they don’t stay boosted off rate

[robust thistle]

it doesnt matter for me because if I want an offrate I'll prepare 300

whats 0.067 in the face of 100

[pseudo flume]

They do? For recent Limited offrates that is

[lofty vale]

We are talking about long term
Recent is only recent

[pseudo flume]

The most recent limited offrates is 5x while older ones is 1x

[lofty vale]

After a while they go to 1x and your cope divides by 5

[pseudo flume]

[turbid ocean]

yes and its half a percent chance to get what you want from that off rate pool
after you hit a 6*

thats why sparking exists

[slate sigil]

what does mean sparking? is that item you get after every pull?

[turbid ocean]

thats spark currency yes

[robust thistle]

sparking is buying stuff with the stuff you get every pull

[lofty vale]

Maybe my grandchildren will off rate Wisadel

[median fable]

crazy first text I've read

[frozen dawn]

it cant get that bad

[turbid ocean]

You have decent hopes to naturally offrate within the next two decade if you only pull on celebration banners

[slate sigil]

oh alright, anyway i knew ill never have enough pulls to buy wisadel so i spend first sparks and just wanted to get pulls from shop

[turbid ocean]

you should only buy pulls from shop when you have enough to buy out

or else you lose efficiency

[slate sigil]

i didn't know about that in my first days

[turbid ocean]

if you dont buy out last phase you effectively miss out on 2 pulls

[slate sigil]

[split sphinx]

it's not the end of the world

[lofty vale]

So you’re saying there’s a chance

[split sphinx]

and no don't waste pulls trying to get gold certs to buy that last phase

[lofty vale]

[median fable]

it's a 50/50, you either offrate her or you don't

[robust thistle]

whats the 'normal' strat for is6 e4 again

I got lucky with lightning rod and therapy tape last time

[pseudo flume]

Light, whats my chance of offrating Spalter when I'm buying Ros

[long mantle]

Texalter module worth?

[pseudo flume]

Mod1 at best

[long mantle]

I'd rather not waste the block then

How about ulpianus and mountain

Ulpianus seems like it's better sustain atleast

[median fable]

it's a good mod, do you skip all mod1 operators?

[turbid ocean]

you can just refer to the existing chart in pins

its very similar

[median fable]

mod1 for Ulpi
don't mod Mountain since 🚮

[turbid ocean]

(spoiler alert it aint happening)

[robust thistle]

mod1 at best

[radiant wyvern]

whats happen to texas alter. i was hoping to get her off banner

[long mantle]

Idk what that means, I mod if they're good wdym skip

[robust thistle]

wdym what happened to texalt

[median fable]

mod1 at most != bad mod

[long mantle]

It's been ages since I've played arknights every operators got a mod now last I played properly was the shu event

[turbid ocean]

it takes an average of 7000+ pulls to get a natural Texas alter
it wasn't happening

[long mantle]

Oh alrighty

Thanks for the advice

[slate sigil]

elite material = upgrade materials or it's chip?

to get byproduct

oh i see now it's +8

[lilac kestrel]

I've been playing Arknights for about a month and 2 weeks I've have 125 spark things on the celebration banner and I have 80 pulls, but I already have Pramanix and SilverAsh, is it worth it to try and gamble for Wis'adel or Lappy Alter and settle for one of the 200 spark units or should I just save

[rare osprey]

just save

[vale finch]

Who to select for the orienteering banner coming up? I guess both ulpipi and tragodia are confirmed lock in?

[ancient sonnet]

If you have neither you can try your luck but you have a 33% chance to get a not-so-good op instead

[robust thistle]

dont expect to get an offrate under the pity number

[shadow bay]

add zuole and ur good

[austere helm]

How impactful is Ines mod? Is it for trait upgrade or talent upgrade?

[robust thistle]

you wont even notice it

[austere helm]

Thanks

[slate sigil]

pram2 now e2 as guys recommended, who's next? https://www.krooster.com/u/cute-denim-goose-92oj

[shadow bay]

its nice on 1st time u wanna move her

but not rly seen that impact to be groundbraeaking

maybe on much higher end content may mean something... in general ehhh

[bitter wagon]

i have been ignoring for a while pinboard missions
i did gain byproduct in workshop i already did it but it doesnt count somehow

does it gotta be certain thing or what i am missing

[shadow bay]

visuals for the mission?

[bitter wagon]

it says
gain byproduct from the processing in workshop 1 time

[shadow bay]

https://youtu.be/8bZUEIcTLJA?si=H901LDDhTYfDtK2Z

hmmm ive seen this very old trick... ig just try and try

[bitter wagon]

kk

[slate sigil]

i did that recently just to craft 10 or somewhat blue skill books

[brazen gulch]

seeing as you're a new player, you can hold off on e2ing sash2, just make sure to raise his skill level to 7. other 6*s are either niche or simply not great. can consider e1ing gracebearer or specter if you have a feeling+need of a lane holder. prioritize working on your base and raise base workers like quartz and purestream (see /baseskills in #bot-spam for an overview)

[inland swallow]

ah i see… noted so 3 weeks for event currency farming, thx for the info

[slate sigil]

first time heard about gracebearer, didn't know i have her

[tired wraith]

I pulled Wis'adel who can I swap to put her in my main team

[thorn galleon]

Degen or thorns

[slim dove]

guys i have exusiai alter would it be unwise to roll for regular exusiai through the kernal banner?

[true pagoda]

Does it matter which one i pick

[thorny edge]

i like the red one most

[thorn galleon]

I pulled 200 times should spark for someone? Or should i go to spark in 300 with my current team?, i am starter so this was all i had

[split sphinx]

exu1 sucks

[true pagoda]

But why?

[thorny edge]

saria or jessicat or thorns and i'd rather you use kroosalter than may

[slim dove]

i see

[thorny edge]

heaps of the avalanche thingies and the red thing lets me control when avalanche thingies trigger. which is great

[tired wraith]

I sadly don't have Kroosalter, is she guaranteed?

[thorny edge]

she's free from invitation to wine event

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1403122199514185798/1452170537005613127/invtowine.gif

[split sphinx]

honestly wouldn't bother with krooster. they have much better units to raise

[nimble kite]

I prefer the shield on bottom. Sometimes top drill is useful if you want to force Avalanche on enemies position.

[tired wraith]

Insane gif hahaha thanks!

[urban sleet]

Sparking is never optimal even for wisadel if f2p since it's a lot of pulls invested to get ine good op whereas it could have been used to get multiple good ops, not to mention you are more likely to get dupes of rate-ups and dupes are meaningless in this game for the most part

So yeah dont pull anymore, spark rosmontis with 200 if you like IS else spark waifu/buy snow hunter dupes for gold certs/let thr currency convert

[odd sky]

don't let it convert 😭

[split sphinx]

when you're at 200, wisadel for 100 pulls is a good deal
they have wis already tho

[thorn galleon]

True,this was my last time spark. The next time i will save until 7th anniversary

[lofty vale]

Letting it convert is some crazy take

[thorn galleon]

But should i get virtuosa? Cause lappalter need her debuf right?

[robust thistle]

no? where did you hear about this

[frozen dawn]

what

[urban sleet]

Mats/gold certs more useful than washed units

[thorn galleon]

Already had her since 50 pull, but just got lappland i just wondering if i should go or stop?

[frozen dawn]

virtuosa x lap2 first time hearing of this

[odd sky]

both have no correlation

[pine plover]

Necrosis debuff is Enfeeble, which is ATK reduction

[brazen gulch]

also, you might want to stop/hold off investing in lumen, saga, exusiai, astgenne2, myrtle, myrrh, perfumer, gavial, vigna, podenco, liskarm. they have cheaper or already raised alternatives that do the same job just fine (exusiai -> kroos, saga -> sash2, liskarm -> cuora/gummy, a bunch of your healers -> ptilopsis + sussuro/silence, etc.) or simply don't need levels to work (myrtle)

[urban sleet]

Windscoot is fine for a newbie, its just tequila exists and most newbies struggle with liberator trait so one is enough of a headache

[brazen gulch]

mh should i remove him or specify windscoot -> tequila

[craggy belfry]

Is the game trying to rage bate people 😭 why are leaks not counted as kills (qol) 😭

[urban sleet]

Just remove windscoot from the dont raise part

[lofty vale]

Why would leaks be kills

[brazen gulch]

fair, thanks for the feedback

[robust thistle]

why would they reward you for doing a mistake

[split sphinx]

#1211614253354852362

[urban sleet]

Leaked enemies->kill rhodes island employees->kills so kill count+ they got a point fr

[nimble kite]

Git gud.

Actually, there's some maps, where BaseHP penalty can be forgiving, with some nuances.

[odd sky]

next time force close the game so you get your sanity back

[pale pebble]

Im sorry to interrupt but can i ask if archeto is worth the yellow certs?

[thorn galleon]

So, which one should i take with 200 point?

[fresh anvil]

not really

[urban sleet]

If you have to ask, no

[robust thistle]

rosmontis, asssuming you want to play IS

[split sphinx]

No need to ask if you can ask 💀

[thorn galleon]

When did her new skin drop?

[pale pebble]

I already got the 3 multies from the cert shop

[robust thistle]

what

[slate sigil]

yes literally i'm not raising all of them anymore (most of them upgraded at the beginning)

[craggy belfry]

I mean we are gonna lose if we leak 10 it's already a loss
Having to play a stage again for minor leaks feels like it should be basic qol more then anything (for leaks to count)
I guess this is just a thought I have here fair enough
Just gotta do it again

[pine plover]

roll a dice and see who to pick, there are 4 operators that cost 200 token anyway

[slate sigil]

but why no myrtle

[keen hedge]

Enemies can sneak in as long as you reach 400 defeats. You can even quit the stage early if you reached 400 defeats already.

[slate sigil]

it's one from your list i'm using and wanted to upgrade

[pine plover]

only if the stage like sangshu trail where there are extra body counts

[robust thistle]

thats your mistake, you leak 1 in normal stage and you get 2 star not 3

[split sphinx]

You have sash2 + cantabile.
Myrtle 🥀

[slate sigil]

[brazen gulch]

myrtle's job is printing a lot of DP, and for that only skill levels matter. skill level 7 is enough for the vaaaaast majority of use cases, therefore masteries not needed, therefore e2 not needed, therefore levels aren't needed either. she's a poor combatant

also, you have sash2, so it's hard to imagine you'll hardly ever have issues with dp even without her anyway

[urban sleet]

Myrtle is your go-to vanguard until you get better ones, here both sash2 and cantabile are better

[lofty vale]

Sparking Skadi alter here is perfectly fine btw

Peeps here are heavily biased against her but she honestly helps Lappland a lot cus of her low attack and she can make it so you can use her for heal coverage for half the team

She will also be able to do stuff like heal Prams Blue box and make it so Thorns doesn’t need a main healer

She will also get a module in 6 months that ramps her up alot faster

[urban sleet]

Its not bias its true shes washed

[slender temple]

What kinda QoL are you talking about exactly? If you mean to redo the stage without wasting sanity, you can simply rage quit the game and that's it

[lofty vale]

Nah it’s straight bias

[nimble kite]

...Skalter for Lappland.
STOP!

[pale pebble]

Are the 3multies you get from yellow certs monthly?

[odd sky]

38 yes monthly

[lofty vale]

He’s suggesting they straight up let the 200 spark expire

[thorn galleon]

Yea, i've been thinking her or NTR

[nimble kite]

And it's good.

[slate sigil]

i don't need anymore myrtle or fang if i'm using sash2 and catabile?

[urban sleet]

Yes gold certs/mats help more than washed units

[pale pebble]

270 each time right?

[lofty vale]

Anyways Skalter will have her uses just experiment with her

[odd sky]

258

[urban sleet]

She doesnt

[nimble kite]

That's funny.

Rosmontis or wait for Orange Certs. That's all.

[urban sleet]

Sure skalter is probably the better one after rosmontis but that doesnt stop her from being washed

[split sphinx]

I mean, I'd take ros over the 4 pulls you get from snowhunter certs

[thorn galleon]

Yeah, so i just get her as support or does surtr do the job if i didnt get NTR?

[thorny edge]

she doesnt even print that much 💤

[urban sleet]

Yes lets listen to that one guy instead of the majority thats against skalter, well do what you want

[lofty vale]

Skalter will do fine as support yes
There will be units stronger than her but for your account right now she does well

[robust thistle]

no we're suggesting to get rosmontis

[pine plover]

backloaded ah true damage
0 scalling, only ATK up and it's not even good number, when physical damage can scale higher

[brazen gulch]

very unlikely that you do. nowadays you don't even need a vanguard a good chunk of the time, and sash alone could carry your DP needs in 99.99% cases. sash2 + canta will basically remove dp as a mechanic for you

[nimble kite]

Surtr is enough, if your task is to kill some Elite enemies or stall some enemy/boss for some time.

[fast sand]

I know it’s too late, but I would have said yes
This house loves Cheeto

[broken flame]

Sash2 S3 is basically Flagpipe+
DP cost swap, Invis reveal, early laneholding, and 33 DP print in one unit. Not to mention he heals himself so you don't need to deploy a healer asap as well. Add Cantabile if you need exorbitant amount of DP or need to cover multiple lanes early while generating DP, else Sash2 is all you ever need as an opener

[robust thistle]

like this guy have been spitting out shit takes since this morning

[pale pebble]

Close enough
Thank you!

[brazen gulch]

it's more than enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split sphinx]

For a couple days now

[fresh anvil]

you better hurry up as itll be next month soon

[pine plover]

the only time true damage is useful is when you are too lazy to play around with enemies damage reduction gimmick

[slate sigil]

okay, sad for myrtle i was thinking myrtle is strong enough even in late game teams because in coops a lot of people used her with me

[pine plover]

people used her because they dont bother thinking

[split sphinx]

Just means they dont have good vanguards

[slate sigil]

what about guards? i'm still using midnight and melantha

[ancient sonnet]

If you don't need early laneholding then she is fine for an early dp burst, but after that she has like no combat ability

[slate sigil]

sash and gracebearer or

[urban sleet]

Lot of people stuck in flagpipe era when agents do the job better

Even if flagpipe was good I wouldn't recommend for gen content, dp is the most useless thing to be overkill on

[thorny edge]

some people come to help not for advice, but to validate their own decisions. it is what it is

[thin torrent]

Rosmontis best pick right?

[robust thistle]

rosmontis niche, but good

[lofty vale]

Skalter right when you raise her at E1 will be able to let you be able to not need to main healer for half the team which is nice
Your other half can be covered by someone like Ptilopsis

Surtr doesnt one shot bosses anymore but NTR is worse now since alot of bosses straight up can’t be blocked.

Rosmontis is fine if you want to play IS btw. You can do either her or Skalter and just ignore that guy asking you to waste the 200 pity

[urban sleet]

Shes good for IS but yeah the only relevant unit in 200 spark pool

[thorny edge]

basically rosmontis ya

[robust thistle]

what is this skalter propaganda

[slate sigil]

[robust thistle]

no one is telling them to waste 200 pulls, youre delusional if thats what your take is

[nimble kite]

idk lol, just skip that one.

[thorny edge]

gng skalter's hps at max level is 102 what are we doing bro

[lofty vale]

You only came in after I started talking after that guy kept trying to push him to let the pulls expire

[urban sleet]

Skalter for passive healing when a free unit likr CE does that batter assuming you ever need that

[nimble kite]

Let him do that!

[robust thistle]

no regular here in their right mind would suggest that

[lofty vale]

Bet

[thorny edge]

gng rosmontis is right there 🥹

[robust thistle]

show

[ashen surge]

Well a person suggest it as an option and another support it to be better than skalter.
So they're not entirely wrong about someone suggesting to let it converts.

[slate sigil]

i ran into event for kroos alter and will swap with base form but not sure about good guards from similar events

[lofty vale]

Literally everyone here is a witness

[urban sleet]

I suggested rosmontis spark for IS
Or if you dont like IS go for waifu/pots for gold certs/let it expire for mat currency

This guy just edited out half of what I said

[robust thistle]

just link the message

[potent trellis]

Sash2 enough as solo vanguard nowadays?

[robust thistle]

oh look the guy is here,

[pine plover]

tbf, even no vanguard is enough for general content

[thorny edge]

yk almost every stage in this game have been cleared without a vanguard

[robust thistle]

did you cut half of their advice or not

[pale pebble]

Is there a reseon why
(I know shes ussles without her module but thats the extent of my knowledge)

[potent trellis]

Ahh true me dumb

[fresh anvil]

if a unit is washed you may as well just let it turn into mats

[brazen gulch]

midnight is.. okay as an early arts damage option since you already raised him. just know that sooner or later he's simply not gonna be enough. melantha works as an early game helidrop i guess, but likewise worthless past a certain point. both are used in low-rarity guides if you're into that fwiw

[thorny edge]

actually i do agree that gold certs and mats matter more than washed units like skalter lol

[split sphinx]

Truth nuke, your average joe would hate to play without a vanguard

[nimble kite]

And where is that

[pine plover]

marksman subclass in general get stats checked too hard

[robust thistle]

we really doing smear campaign to get clout on a gacha game channel

[lofty vale]

So literally only either Rosmontis or expire and they didn’t respond to Rosmontis nor did they even bring it up as an option when they said their preferences

[potent trellis]

calm down mina san

[thorny edge]

yeah this is fine bro

skalter is just that bad

[robust thistle]

so they brought up 'ROSMONTIS' or 'WAIFU'
and not just let the contracts expire

[pale pebble]

I see
Is she good in IS?

[fast sand]

Her IS module is very fun to use, will always have relevancy due to offensive recovery synergy, and personally I play it a lot. Outside of IS she’s not worth it tho

[abstract mauve]

brother he gave literally all the options that you can possibly do with the spark currency

[robust thistle]

dude, putting words into someone else's mouth is a surefire way of any% unhelpful speedrun

[thorny edge]

idk what ur nitpicking, bro gave solid advice

[slate sigil]

then for now will just upgrade cantabile (and base slaves), thanks

[thorn galleon]

Im cool with that, i usually use adel with beanstalk in is5. I dont really need rosmontis

[thorny edge]

you on the other hand glazed skalter harder than i would glaze lemuen

[split sphinx]

maybe after 2 more months of shit takes

[chrome tiger]

skalter in big 2026 is crazy work

[lofty vale]

I literally only said she helps? Glaze what

[pale pebble]

Ok thank you all!

[fresh anvil]

you put a whole essay on skalter bro

[thorny edge]

helps with what bro sub 3 digit hps?

[robust thistle]

you literally sold skalter in the year of 2026 as a good spark

[slender temple]

An entire paragraph of Skalter then one sentence about Ros

[robust thistle]

this is like nexr level snake oil salesman

[lofty vale]

I’m defending her against this entire chat as a usable unit

[nimble kite]

Usable, not worthful.

[robust thistle]

she is usable, not against the option of rosmontis and NTR

[thorny edge]

and we're saying almost anyone is better than skalter bro

[fresh anvil]

her next module aint even that good doesnt shu like still beat her in sp generation

[brazen gulch]

tequila is a strong damage option if you're willing to play around the liberator gimmick and is also good in base, bryophyta is nice to get for base. not much else notable from guards afaik

[thorny edge]

skalter doesnt even generate sp where tf did u come from what

[fresh anvil]

“Next module”

[lofty vale]

Her next module is a self SP battery

[slate ridge]

idt you can compete with Skadi2 sp gen ngl
3 sp to herself per deployed op is not what you want to fight through

[thorny edge]

self sp battery

[robust thistle]

putting 'skalter heals pramalt ice block' as a selling point is next level

[thorn galleon]

What about w? I dont think adel cant shoot all those drone alone

[thorny edge]

thats actually kinda cool lowk

[nimble kite]

Ah, the flat 30 DR

[robust thistle]

W is just bad value

[split sphinx]

@abstract mauve can you give a quick astgenne2 rundown? how good is she actually

[coarse tide]

Skalter can heal zuole how broken

[lofty vale]

lol not w xd

[fresh anvil]

the first limited of all time

[obtuse obsidian]

wait skalter glazer and its not me?

am so washed man

[robust thistle]

like atp I'm convinced the other guy is just this guy's alt

[thorny edge]

nono u need gravel and ce asw

[thorn galleon]

Ig yeah, exu do lot better for air unit

[lofty vale]

Man shut up

[thorny edge]

pity i actually kinda liked u

[coarse tide]

Truly the tech of all time

[echo venture]

i think we can move on

from this topic

[fresh anvil]

move on alr

[robust thistle]

if you want to spark, just get rosmontis or something, she actually has a valid use case for multiple IS seasons
skalter while being a nice comfort pick is just not worth it for the price tag

[nimble kite]

Like I was a W mainer, will tell you - most of the time I would say she'll be either funny stun spammer, or swarm nuker.

Both of these roles has nuances that stage itself must fulfill, otherwise she will just stopping working correctly.
I wouldn't suggest picking her unless waifu reasons.

[silent tinsel]

Is pramanix alter good? Idk if they managed to make it good despite being a phalanx caster

[echo venture]

check pins for masteries

[robust thistle]

then again its your account, I have every single op in the spark pool and skalter is practically just a trophy wife pick

[lofty vale]

I do think Rosmontis is better overall than Skalter but it’s only with the condition that I do enjoy IS

If you don’t like IS Rosmontis value falls off to p much zero

[thorn galleon]

Aight guys thanks

[obtuse obsidian]

W have like 1 funny use in IS

which is way worse pick up then rosmo for IS of course

[odd sky]

how about this, don't spark

[thorn galleon]

Does is 6 home theme already out?

[lofty vale]

Ye it’s not bad

[thorn galleon]

I get the is5 but its kinda..

[lofty vale]

It’s pinkish and not really my style but it fits IS6 vibes

[knotty wave]

it looks like a censored vomit

[thorn galleon]

The mechanic from is5 is not that different i assume?

[knotty wave]

very different

[lofty vale]

It’s very different

[thin torrent]

Holy shit she can block blue zone, would be op with pramanix

[thorn galleon]

Yeah, probably will try it later after having full e2 team

[robust thistle]

idt having a full e2 team will make a difference when the IS6 main carry is an entirely new op that does things on her own

[obtuse obsidian]

IS6 main deal is hit count

but its not an issue if you dont attempt high diff

[thorn galleon]

How much is the highest? 20? 40?

[robust thistle]

18

[urban sleet]

My d15 run had only 5 e2s, with only three of them being 6 stars
Its more about quality than quantity, need the right ops for the job

[obtuse obsidian]

15 for IS6

[robust thistle]

oh wait IS6 doesnt have 18 yet

[thorn galleon]

Yeah, i can also brrow someone op. So it not a big problem

[abstract mauve]

she's just decent. good for welfare. nice-ish afk ability for a normal account.
her talent gives fragile to enemies in range. this is relevant for s3's damage buffing ability and for s2's afk value
s1 is normal astgenne s2 but with a lot fewer of her flaws but only chains to 3 enemies and is easily the worst of her skills but still actually usable
s2 is an ok afk skill. it increases her already high uptime slow even further and it allows her to slow and deal damage in an area. the pull allows her to shit on low weight enemies which is funny. being atk recovery and fairly low sp cost, it scales really well in environments with sp generation and or aspd. it's also benefits more from atk modifiers than her other skills but wtvr.
s3 damages, perma-slows and provides an arts damage link which links 2 enemies and she doesnt switch target off those enemies till they either die or leave her range. it's just ok. for welfare standards the damage is nice and the skill cycle is really good. but for normal account there's nothing really special about her skill

[thorny edge]

[abstract mauve]

i do think her s2 is actually kinda nice but it does assume that you're putting high investment into her

[lofty vale]

Borrowing Tragodia and starting with the Raidan squad is pretty broken

[thorny edge]

suckiko

[elfin garden]

Holy wall

[haughty holly]

Would u recommend newbies to build her

[thorn galleon]

You can still refresh node in is6?

[robust thistle]

not really

[lofty vale]

No

[obtuse obsidian]

refresh is very conditional in IS6

[split sphinx]

s2 it is

[robust thistle]

refreshing nodes in IS6 is tied to having specific tongbaos

[thorn galleon]

I see

[lofty vale]

It works differently ye

[obtuse obsidian]

you need to get an item

then you need to rng roll that item in a floor

now you can refresh (once usually)

[abstract mauve]

for a normal account she works better in a team tho with her s2 so probably not the best investment for a new player who might not find a value in having a slower

[haughty holly]

Ok thx gang

[split sphinx]

how is the dmg on s2

[abstract mauve]

i would argue s1 and s3 are better than the starter 6*s tho

not sash but like this is unfair

[abstract mauve]

i wouldn't focus on it too much but she can kill some enemies cuz of how much she slows

i should probably make a video shilling her

[grim tree]

If I clear annihilation when I already reached the cap for orundum do I get all my sanity used refunded?

[haughty holly]

No

[nimble kite]

You will get refunded all 25 Sanity only on 2 cases: you immediately leave before 100 kills reach, or forceclose the app midbattle.

[urban sleet]

Yes

You can also just not need a vanguard asw you get a 7 star flagbearer called natural dp generation for free every stage

[lofty vale]

Sash 2 will not be enough for every stage but he’s generally good enough

[haughty holly]

Btw that battle simulator thing next to CC
Is there any point in doing it besides the reward and mental torture?

[potent trellis]

u right many reason flagpipe washed now

[lofty vale]

The ones sash2 is really bad in solo is the ones with no natural dp gen

[robust thistle]

sense of pride and accomplishment
and CC#2 soundtrack

[grim tree]

He still has S1

[potent trellis]

His s3 gave more than enough no?

[lofty vale]

I usually just assume S2
Not sure about S3 but I guess in those stages if you plop down an expensive high cost unit early you’ll be fine

[haughty holly]

I feel like the patriot one exist as a revenge for all the time he gets bullied
Cuz the things he gets there is just pure evil

[lofty vale]

That’s like a worse normal vanguard

[haughty holly]

Like wdym block but mf one shots unless u have immortality

[brazen gulch]

Pretty sure it's better if you count the fake dp as real dp, which you oftentimes can. don't quote me tho

[slender temple]

Pretty sure it's on par with Myrtle S1

[grim tree]

No it's not

[lofty vale]

He’s a more expensive unit though

[grim tree]

It's just slightly worse than Myrtle S1

[brazen gulch]

it's worse if only counting real dp

[split sphinx]

bro is doing it again

[lofty vale]

Overall I don’t think you really have a situation where you want to actively use his S1? Also most people should have masteried Myrtle S1 in the past

You’re not M3ing Sash2 S1

[haughty holly]

Do not underestimate the player who have nothing to build

[median fable]

what am I reading 🥹

[verbal minnow]

does the frozen blue box block flying enemies too? or just ground

[grim tree]

Annihilation

[lofty vale]

I.. guess

[knotty prairie]

What's the website again for checking future banners?

[nimble kite]

Don't worry, old topic you missed was MUCH worse.

[haughty holly]

Cancer

[median fable]

man, are you serious

[thorny edge]

?????????

[robust thistle]

youre never meant to block patriot, even since his chapter release

[split sphinx]

just unlimited yap with 0 knowledge

[odd sky]

[thorny edge]

sash s1 has dp generation comparable to saileach s1

[fallow salmon]

what is happening

[nimble kite]

Surtr.

[slate ridge]

Just think of it as a normal 3 block juggernaut defender

Blocks ground
Cant block unblockables

[haughty holly]

How to deal with him in that simulation then
Do I just mine and burst him to smithereens

[robust thistle]

I mean specter already does the job better than surtr

[split sphinx]

0.47dp/s s1sl7 worse than a normal vanguard btw

[nimble kite]

True, but damage is ass.

[lofty vale]

I really just assume you’d have m3ed Myrtle S1 and you’re really not gonna M3 Sash2 S1

If you want to, power to you I’m just yappin

[robust thistle]

the usual clear is cycling yu S2 and shu S3

[brazen gulch]

roberta is meta

[slate ridge]

The 3 strats is just
Yu Shu
Ulpi hyperbuff
Summon block spam

[haughty holly]

Damn I have neither guess that's gonna have to wait

[pseudo flume]

We don't have it, just check /CNevents in #bot-spam

[odd sky]

roberta against multi-hit

[robust thistle]

or AH beatstick ungabunga

[thorny edge]

even then m3 myrtle s1 is 0.46, which is on par with sl7 sash s1 while not giving ops barrier or blocking enemies or having non paper defense

[brazen gulch]

ah bruh i forgot the attacks four times part. i literally read the wiki yesterday

[pseudo flume]

We also have /cnbanners in #bot-spam

[knotty prairie]

thanks so much

[haughty holly]

for another day it is, the Slug stage was truly something as well in that simulation
1000% hp slugs

[robust thistle]

you leak the slugs though

[pseudo flume]

S1SL7 Sash2 is good enough for the average player

[haughty holly]

Oh what I blew them all up with pram2 and cat

[robust thistle]

what are you doing trying to kill the slugs

[slender temple]

And actually no one S1M3 Myrtle unless they're from ancient times

[thorny edge]

its fun

[robust thistle]

it is fun

[slate sigil]

is that make sensse to continue event if i got character as example kroos alter? sanity really needed now

[lofty vale]

He’s a more expensive unit overall
Point taken for basically being a pioneer vanguard though ig

[pseudo flume]

Do know that CN Banner Schedules is different from Global Banner Schedules, so just use it as reference since Yostar can change some things

[obtuse obsidian]

if you have m3 s1 myrtle just use s3 sash2 at this point

[robust thistle]

theres still the first clear OPs

[haughty holly]

The funniest part is the stage is cleared at 3

[potent trellis]

Is it worth to m3 his s1 assuming i have the mats?

[nimble kite]

They deal no damage to base and their only role is basically trash out your BlockCount on Melee units.

[pseudo flume]

No wtf

[thorny edge]

why would you not have sash raised and guess what if you wanna use just sash s1 and s2 they're basically functioning at 90% peak at e1 anyways

[median fable]

fully building Tragodia requires too much resources, people should skip raising him 🗣️

[potent trellis]

Alright m6 is enough for sash2 then

[lofty vale]

I meant dp cost

[robust thistle]

just s3m3 is enough really

[haughty holly]

Don't u kill them for the dp tho
At least some

[thorny edge]

???? thats not an issue? god forbid ops cost dp

[median fable]

Wisadel costs too much dp, people should not deploy her 🗣️

[robust thistle]

s2 have bad gains, s1 is afkslop

[nimble kite]

Well, some you will kill, just because you need BlockCount for next enemies

[split sphinx]

how many more troll takes before something happens

[vernal holly]

whats best to get from these? been busy lately so idk what the newer ones do

[haughty holly]

What diff are we talking about for that stage btw
Cuz I just did 3

[robust thistle]

SAlter is basically on printer duty if youre running anni, good dp gain and makes your ops cheap as fuck

[lofty vale]

Man it’s really not a big deal all I said was sash2 might not be enough for those stages with no natural dp but I was only talking about his s2 for the most part
I know he’s usable with S1 and S3

[nimble kite]

Score 15.

[median fable]

next time you'd rather ask before buying it
I'd lean towards Mon3tr since Ulpi and Ascalon can be certable this year

[haughty holly]

Oh no wonder
I'll keep that in mind next time when I reached that diff

[tribal root]

is there a guide for setting up base to farm orundum?

[split sphinx]

sash2 s1 also on auto. ssssss-tier printer

[robust thistle]

honestly shouldnt have bought it
ulpian if you want a beatstick
mon3tr if you want a good healer+true dmg dps
ascalon for generic pick
entelechia if you're tryharding IS6

[thorny edge]

has to be bait

[urban sleet]

#r-i-i-c pins
Obligatory 'orundun farming is bad'

[lofty vale]

Yaya it’s bait let’s move on

[median fable]

you joined 3 months ago, don't do oru farming 🥹
#r-i-i-c pins has full guide

[tribal root]

can i ask why?

[urban sleet]

Bricks your progress for that duration

[haughty holly]

shit gains to put it simply

[thorny edge]

not worth especially for people without all ops owned raised

[median fable]

tldr: brick progress for measly extra pulls

[robust thistle]

one pull costs 120 rocks and 96k LMD, you can do the math

[pseudo flume]

Burns through 960k Lmd and 1.2k Tier 2 Rocks for 10 pulls

[ancient sonnet]

Expensive af

[urban sleet]

And yeah shit gains too

[median fable]

unless veteran don't even attempt it

[tribal root]

shit, didnt know it was that expensive

[thorny edge]

ya its bad

[urban sleet]

If you want to have more pulls as f2p simply manage your pulls better, dont pull on every banner out there

[proven kelp]

I like orumdumb farming

[pseudo flume]

Its only for people that has nothing else to do in the game

[split sphinx]

you burn so much lmd and sanity when you orundumb farm. your progress is fucked

[jade herald]

its good if you are lvl 120 and have every level beaten

[ancient sonnet]

It's only when your base is fully built, have tons of LMD to burn and no ops to build

[pseudo flume]

That's because your an ancient Fossil smh

[proven kelp]

Realmad

What use are Resources that have nothing to be used on smh

[thorn galleon]

One last question, but does theresia can replace skalter? I dont think it compete but it do the job?

[lofty vale]

Defensive wise yes

[split sphinx]

hold on, he's cooking

[robust thistle]

theresa cant replace skalter really

[pseudo flume]

Definitely an Ancient Fossil chasing after Freshly Released Women

[young robin]

The upcoming orienteering headhunting. Do u think it is worth pulling in? I know ulpianus and tragodia is good. But the others...

[robust thistle]

most of the time afk guides that use skalter, cant be replaced with theresa

[proven kelp]

🥹

[robust thistle]

the def inspiration makes a difference

[lofty vale]

True

[pseudo flume]

I mean Theresa S1 is shit so eh

[lofty vale]

Skalter and Pram afk peak brain rot

[robust thistle]

I mean Theresa S1 is shit so eh

[proven kelp]

Technically CE as a Regen healer is better

But Skalter is mostly used as a Consistent Buffer, so she already lose if you try replacing her in that job

[lofty vale]

I was considering buying CE skin

[pseudo flume]

Just buy it if you like it

[lofty vale]

I dont use her tho

[haughty holly]

before u ask no we cant tell u if the skin is worth, thats up to u

[broken flame]

Pram2 L2D when

[spare jetty]

your choice
not our decision

[proven kelp]

The skin is worth

[pseudo flume]

That didn't stop me from buying skins for Spalter which I don't own or buying every skin for Ave Mujica girls when I only use Sakiko 🚬

[obtuse obsidian]

actually its my decision, now buy it

[lofty vale]

Specter alter skin actually looks so good though

[proven kelp]

Ril

[gilded acorn]

when anni livestream

[haughty holly]

i cant tell u how many skins I bought on ops that I didnt use a single time, its just a matter of are u willing to sacrifice pulls for skins

[urban sleet]

25th

[gilded acorn]

yeah what time

[plain ferry]

i got texas the omertosa instead of silverbum is she good

[kindred plover]

Hello! Is skadi alter worth getting with the headhunting data contract?

[lofty vale]

My Specter alter is lvl1 and I’m considering raising her just to justify buying that skin 😭

[urban sleet]

Not the skalter spark question again

[haughty holly]

well the skins arent completely useless, it fills up my assistant slot in the homescreen

[robust thistle]

get the kid instead

[grim tree]

And Rosmo is worth the spark?

[haughty holly]

in a way yes

[wide zenith]

Does Prama2 need Module 3 or is 2 good enough?

[urban sleet]

She has good relevancy in IS

[pseudo flume]

Wild thing to take Out of Context

[obtuse obsidian]

worse i bought skalter skin then ended up using the og version perma :icant: anyway lets move on from this account damage topic

[lofty vale]

I like how we just assume they like IS
You’re forced to play IS now

[split sphinx]

ros better if you at 200 already.
would go 100 extra to get wis if you have spare to get wang

[haughty holly]

0 sanity activity

[kindred plover]

Kid as in rosmontis? Why

[robust thistle]

great in IS

[pseudo flume]

IS Reasons, shes good there

[lofty vale]

They’re assuming you like integrated strategies

[robust thistle]

if they dont play IS they can just say it themselves

[obtuse obsidian]

she is the only one worth sparking between the 200s

and purely for IS

[urban sleet]

If you dont like IS go for your waifu/snow hunter pots for gold certs/wait for currency to convert for mats

[pseudo flume]

More like Ros is the highest value for money you can get

[robust thistle]

then I'll just say "then pick whoever you want or let it rot"

[haughty holly]

rotting is a good choice since it becomes red currency
Emergency buy t3-4 mats

[pseudo flume]

Skalter is just QoL while NTR is just for simping reasons

[median fable]

I'd rather get trash 6* than let it rot honestly

[pseudo flume]

W is useless compared to her Alter

[kindred plover]

I just dont know who to pick since im close to 200

[obtuse obsidian]

tbh skalter sound like out dated button allergic op

its like picking up thorn for button allergy

[robust thistle]

we already gave our 2 cents

[haughty holly]

reading is hard

[spare jetty]

let it rot

[split sphinx]

4 pulls vs skalter. yeah I'd take skalter

[kindred plover]

🥲 so im guesssing ill go with rossy since i am trying to clear IS for mats

[haughty holly]

now u finally read

[urban sleet]

'If you like IS'

[pseudo flume]

Get her IS module because it allows her to spam Walls, gets buffed by Caster Relics and changes dmg type to Arts

[young robin]

Is the headhunting orienteering banner worth pulling?

[split sphinx]

at least ros has real usecase 💀 what content use skalter

[thorny edge]

thorns is such a shit button allergy cuz u gotta baby his disabled ass

[spare jetty]

which

[lofty vale]

Value wise
Rosmontis(If you like IS)>Skadi Alter>=NTR>>>>W

That’s my take anyways

You can let it convert to materials too like others are saying but honestly I understand that feels bad and most people outside of this discord probably won’t actually do that

[kindred plover]

Ouh damn never knew shes able to change dmg type to arts

[haughty holly]

afk #1274816

[obtuse obsidian]

ok use blaze as example

[pseudo flume]

Only in IS™

[thorny edge]

ya blaze is actually button allergy

[urban sleet]

Skalter top 3 draft in IS apparently vuz ppl draft afkslop

[haughty holly]

not just this u have to let him hit the enemy too so u gimp the dps

[thorny edge]

ok but so was thorns

[obtuse obsidian]

technically s1 deal arts out side of IS :memetier:

[slate sigil]

is there someone to choose in rhodes island pack? i was thinking about logos or for my account ulpianus will be better i'm not sure

[spare jetty]

never trust that table™

[young robin]

The upcoming one. With ulpianus tragodia blaze stainless zhu lou and swire

[worldly carbon]

don't we get a decent bard for free as in CE?

[urban sleet]

I am not saying its good smh

[pseudo flume]

[lofty vale]

If you don’t play IS btw
Rosmontis value goes to near zero

So yea it’s just for IS

[thorny edge]

yeah gimp the dps for shit dps after five business days

[lofty vale]

I enjoy IS myself so I have Rosmontis

[spare jetty]

big skip button

[urban sleet]

I am aware it doesnt filter noobs from pros

[haughty holly]

🗣️ 🔥

[worldly carbon]

actually is CE even worth anything do people even use her?

[thorny ravine]

is there a stronghold protocol coop guide video

[spare jetty]

filter profs mostly

[obtuse obsidian]

hey look at the only non out dated IS smh

[pseudo flume]

Yes for IS3 Ed2 Bind (some people do so) or S3 Survivability Reasons

[polar pier]

If I were to choose between adding 79 pulls next year to spark SA2 for pot6 or buying this Vanguard token, what would be better?

[main meadow]

Is lumen a good medic?

[robust thistle]

not worth the cost

[urban sleet]

Wtf des lied to me

[lofty vale]

Pot6 jeezus

[pseudo flume]

One of the Average ones

[haughty holly]

cuz of skins yes and then it leads to copium questions here

[worldly carbon]

so basically there's even less use for skalter since we got a half decent bard for free?

[main meadow]

what if it's in a case where cost isn't a problem

[broken flame]

If you have something specific in mind, S3 and S2 both useable. S1 is afkslop that's actually slop unless you for some reason got her mod then the healing is fine ig but like why

[pseudo flume]

No because Skalter gives Def and Atk

[spare jetty]

doesn't exist

[lofty vale]

Skalter can’t bind? That’s a totally different use

[urban sleet]

Skalter is the better buffer among the two

[pseudo flume]

Skalter is the more applicable for Afk slop ya

[obtuse obsidian]

he used out dated IS

where virtousa is picked more then tragedy

[robust thistle]

well the problem is if cost isnt a problem then you wouldnt ask

[worldly carbon]

what's the deal with afk players

[robust thistle]

you'll just raise him whether he's good or not

[slim dove]

which module is the good one for thorn?

[lofty vale]

Do you manual anhilliation

[haughty holly]

less effort in a way

[pseudo flume]

Arknights is the sandpaper that smoothed out the ridges of their brains 🤫

[robust thistle]

the X mod imo

[pseudo flume]

Yes I do on the 1st Clear then use Sweep afterwards

[worldly carbon]

I actually did it on my alt
I just keep an eye on things while I do other stuff

[robust thistle]

delta costs too much for the supposed payoff

[tropic schooner]

guys do i unlock wisadel's module immediately or move on to another unit to e2?

[nimble kite]

They just raises ops with lower combat performance in the compensation of being autonomous.

[haughty holly]

what other units

[pseudo flume]

Module First