help

[ancient current]

well i don't use 6* enough to argue on that, esp not mizuk

[heady ruin]

ig I'll master her s1 later then.

[obtuse obsidian]

s1 is just button allergy since he beat eyja at it

[raven ermine]

Well then you're just fucked 15s later

[heady ruin]

mhm, fair

[keen hedge]

I think you are right but S2 is cooler 😀

[obtuse obsidian]

horn is also arguably s3 for similar reasons

[raven ermine]

I play AH, i tell what i experienced, s2 is garbo, s1 is the shit

[ancient current]

ye i feel like horn is 50/50 between s1 and s3 too

[quick jolt]

horn m9 angle 🤫

[boreal steeple]

Its niche usecase but if you can do it like you need you can choose s2 and make it work. Her general skill remains s1. And if you need that helidrop/immortality you always can switch skills

[raven ermine]

S2 hyperbuff for horn

[heady ruin]

mhm

[obtuse obsidian]

gladiia is 50/50/fun for skills

[ancient current]

glacial nobody outside of defenderknights or Blemishi is using horn s2

[heady ruin]

though tbh I could bring someone like Purestream, she's good anyways and I bring her whenever I need to deal with status (and she's barely a waste cuz she's decent anyways)

[raven ermine]

Smth smth skip harold phase transition

[heady ruin]

also she's yan so natural IS6 upscale

[heady ruin]

or if you have her at E1 (cope)

[waxen dove]

i mean trag is kinda top 1

[turbid ocean]

Horn S2 is the least impressive overall, since its average DPS matches S1, which has different damage pattern if you will compared to S2/S3
Which is why S1 would be used over S3
Not worth mastery as far as im concerned

[heady ruin]

tho there are some other defenders who can use the atk buff like Jessalt

[raven ermine]

wat

[ancient current]

i fucking knew you'd bring that up
and specifically you

[left tulip]

What does the plus sign on auto deploy mean? For 5 and 6

[waxen dove]

addition: when its wang level damage

[obtuse obsidian]

utility matter when it come with big damage or completely cheese half the maps on its own

[turbid ocean]

you have (sanity) pots

[boreal steeple]

Have even higher hp or DR then lmfao

[heady ruin]

i mean yeah atp

arknights has always been a game where DPS>>>>>>EVERYTHING.
as sad as it is to admit.

[left tulip]

Ty! If I want E1 chips, the only option is first mission right?

[turbid ocean]

util matters when you you reach harder gameplay
and DPS wont necessarily solve everything

[limpid yarrow]

buy from events

otherwise yea the farming mission only

[left tulip]

Like? What events for example

[heady ruin]

even though I don't care abt it much, I level ops that are fun but at least are at minimal usable, of course I also level the meta shit too because sometimes I like to turn my brain off and watch Exulalt + Lemuen kill everyone.

[raven ermine]

Then you encounter a 3m hp 5k def 70 res enemy, and realize suzuran is doing more for you than wang

[limpid yarrow]

the side story events always sell the e1 chips for the welfare
always buy even if you dont plan on raising the welfare because its sanity efficient

[heady ruin]

tbh content where that matters in STORY is kind of fucking rare.

[raven ermine]

Tho the point is invalid in the first place because wang has util anyway

[turbid ocean]

Wang has util
its the range keeping himsafe, damage control, dp cost, and also S2 is a fantastic skill with very good slow up time

[limpid yarrow]

wang against 80 res is wisadel against 0 defense
he eats that up 😭

[boreal steeple]

Use both then

[raven ermine]

You don't always have relics to bridge the damage gap tho

[turbid ocean]

well yeah General content isn't a good measure of much other than face rolling

[heady ruin]

that's why Amiya exists 💭

[obtuse obsidian]

tbf suzuran does nothing vs infinite def/res kinda

you want stallers or debuffers theres

[limpid yarrow]

suzu's job in 2026 is to cosplay liver paste for tragodia

[boreal steeple]

Thats why nobody brings wis in harder content

[left tulip]

Wait, where are the “shops" for those? By side stories do you mean the ones available all the time?

[heady ruin]

...........or fucking cliffheart.

[raven ermine]

guess what suzuran is 🥹

[boreal steeple]

Niche

[turbid ocean]

??

[obtuse obsidian]

ramping 10 damage to 14 damage is not debuff

[waxen dove]

why do we forget that ops are made with certain things in mind
and even then wang has res shred

[turbid ocean]

do you know what Suzu does

[raven ermine]

??? buddy read the thingy

[limpid yarrow]

during active events
so during SA2 event you should be able to buy supporter chips

[obtuse obsidian]

debuff as in nerfing def/res

aka shamare thorn

[knotty wave]

do these ppl know what they're talking about? I feel like they're just replying for the sake of it.

[raven ermine]

Read further

[turbid ocean]

we didn't say suzu was a debuffer

[limpid yarrow]

because suzu's skill ONLY has fragile
they would never add another very useful effect to it

[waxen dove]

wang has 39 res shred
umazing

[obtuse obsidian]

bro need to read suzuran

[quick jolt]

light delete the channel

[limpid yarrow]

true

[raven ermine]

Kruger was right

[boreal steeple]

When a linked Weiqi Stone is activated, all other stones it is linked on a straight line will deal 13% increased damage ignore 12 RES, stacking up to 3 times
Its 39 with pots

[turbid ocean]

lets move on

[waxen dove]

ok 36 res shred
your point?

[boreal steeple]

I want to correct you

[obtuse obsidian]

shred is used for ops who remove res

ignore is more selfish,still pretty broken

[waxen dove]

major bag alert bro some of us are p6ing him

[quick jolt]

hi guys is wang good

[waxen dove]

Yes king

[arctic hawk]

redeem immediately

[raven ermine]

Anyway, it's quite irrelevant because even stall, wang does correctly
A bit worse than doro in some situations but overall better

[humble arrow]

Narantuya worth building ? her module is out right

[limpid yarrow]

very comfy afk operator

[turbid ocean]

yes and yes

[boreal steeple]

Yes, s3 is main skill, and module should be

[arctic hawk]

calling her a comfy afk operator is derogatory

[humble arrow]

Nice

[turbid ocean]

S1 and S3 are almost equally good just situational which is better

[boreal steeple]

Mod1 is enough

[humble arrow]

isnt s1 fully afk

[turbid ocean]

Overall about the same DPS

[quick jolt]

s1 sucks because its afk and i LOVE pressing buttons

[left tulip]

Considering rn my gameplay is all abt relying on the 6 star borrowed support one of my best e1s to do should be ptilo right?

[obtuse obsidian]

just toggle it all the time then

[humble arrow]

e1...?

[boreal steeple]

Drop your krooster account

[limpid yarrow]

if you dont have an e2 get a 4* to e2 so you can start borrowing e2s...

[turbid ocean]

Effective average DPS is identitcal beween Tuya S1 and S3

[left tulip]

I have tequila E2d

[quick jolt]

everyone has an e2, theres a free 5star e2 when you start

[turbid ocean]

But if you have situation with S3 grouping sure

[obtuse obsidian]

you get free 5 star e2
you dont e2 4s anymore

[humble arrow]

did marantuya dph increase a lot?

[turbid ocean]

its decent not alot

[soft lion]

uh, why is the bear clawing OG hoshi's boobies out in H16-4 is she not the tankiest Op ever (this is with Eyjalter + Nightingale healing too)

[raven ermine]

No fucking way tuya s1 has the same ST dps than s3
You're assuming multiple targets ig ?

[arctic hawk]

can you not be weird about it

[waxen dove]

if you are naran for main dps with s3 delete your account shes a loopshooter shes built for CC

[quick jolt]

use modX and deploy her directly on top of the bear, if it walks up to her it wont be blocked because it attacks too fast

[turbid ocean]

in the ideal situation for each skill approximately, and overall dps

[raven ermine]

Oh gotcha

[turbid ocean]

they don't have the same DPS in the same scenario

[obtuse obsidian]

loopshooters?cc?

[soft lion]

oh ok

[left tulip]

I keep procrastinating getting a krooster so here

[boreal steeple]

Ngl he's just ragebaiter to me, i understood that months ago

[raven ermine]

e1 your mantra > sash > lapp

[obtuse obsidian]

lapp e1 is probably better then sash e1

[left tulip]

Wouldn’t I care more abt having something that helps my borrowed 6 star carry harder for now

[obtuse obsidian]

oh ya i forgot names since am not as active here

[raven ermine]

Not really, just make your team better overall, those all need their skill 2 pretty badly
Then you can e1 ptilo>kroos>gravel
If your gravel is not e1, you're likely missing some base slaves in the first place, so look into that

[waxen dove]

crowd control

[boreal steeple]

E1 lapp>e1 mantra>e1 sash>e2 mantra>e2 sash>other units e1
Also 4☆ base slaves are important, build your base

[raven ermine]

Tf you mean loopshooter and crowd control

[left tulip]

By missing base slaves you mean missing units?

[waxen dove]

Exactly what i said brochacho

[raven ermine]

No i mean missing investment on them
4* need e1 for their base skill
Check #bot-spam /base and /baseskills

[left tulip]

Also btw, this means I need 8 rooms at lvl 2 ? Gonna take forever aaa

[boreal steeple]

Not rooms but like everything but not activity rooms

[random shard]

It really shouldn't take forever. It's important for account growth

[worldly estuary]

Just get 6 facilities lv2 + 2 dorms, then downgrade the dorms

[ivory terrace]

not counting extreme right side ye
cause if they did it will shake up base building meta since they dun consume power

[soft lion]

The next big banner is SAlt + Pramalter, yes?

Do we have a prediction on when the event will drop? (Wondering if I should burn all sanity pot in ch16 event)

[boreal steeple]

Yes unless JO has 4 good ops
And rule 5

[ivory terrace]

we dun do predictions here

[heady ruin]

does she have MOD3 and are you using S3

[worldly estuary]

Can we talk about icebreaker event tho?

[heady ruin]

cuz like she's usually the answer for H16-4 if ur really struggling uh
use cuora i guess, or you can slow the bear until his little bar thing runs out

[soft lion]

i think i have the wrong mod equipped, using s2 for sure try again later.

[boreal steeple]

Raidian s3 solution to everything

[raven ermine]

Ethan will get instantly mauled to oblivion

[left tulip]

I just don’t wanna throw sanity into the damn base material stage 🥹 is there a more efficient way

[heady ruin]

i mean but he'll slow the boss until then

[boreal steeple]

Base is already efficient way to progress

[heady ruin]

it's either:
slow
tank
bait

or a combination of the 3.

[random shard]

No. That's where the mats come from

[celest sluice]

buy the building materials that appear on the credits store

[random shard]

Technically you can get from the friend token shop but like THAT would be forever

[boreal steeple]

Or just outdps both, forbidden technique

[heady ruin]

Personally, I'd recommend getting someone like Beanstalk or someone with summoners because

they're cheap to deploy
they can bait the bear.

[boreal steeple]

All summoners suck against H stages stat increase. Sand reckner s2 or raidian s3 or ling s2

[raven ermine]

It's an investment
The sooner you do it, the sooner you start your passive income

[heady ruin]

ur mostly using them for bait no?

but yeah true

[boreal steeple]

Bait - yes, tanking - no

[heady ruin]

then yeah.

beanstalk with her instant summon has been very useful for that

just keep her out of the bear attack range

[boreal steeple]

Tacticians spawn in their attack range

[heady ruin]

yeah, but like if you put the summon in the LAST spot beanstalk can't reach to attack since they'll be blocked by the summon

kind of really specific and once the summon dies you have to get a s1 ready, and then retreat cuz THEN it'll agroo the bear but hey, it works.

[boreal steeple]

But like luring from afar is much better than the summon itself

[heady ruin]

that's true but it's still an option, I just used her cuz
I have basically no summoners 😭 (radian is unleveled)

[upbeat iris]

which thorns mod is better? and to what level

[fathom nest]

Stick with modX lv3

[upbeat iris]

ty

[woven mica]

Guys

[safe tundra]

erm

[woven mica]

Should I play reclamation algorithm as it should be played or I just collect the points and repeat the process

[safe tundra]

thats entirely up to you

glowstick technology was created coz some people cba

[woven mica]

I mean which is more rewarding?

[ember mirage]

What situations and missions is Skadi good for? Love her and have her quite invested in but dont tend to use her a lot unless I have a spare unit space

[safe tundra]

technically theyre just equal

[woven mica]

The first or the latter

[woven mica]

I see

[left tulip]

Fair enough, it’s just I’m so focused on pulls rn but i understand.

Also, who’s better E1, lappland or mantra?

[upbeat iris]

got a vid on this? farming ra

[safe tundra]

cant think of anything other than being a tank because her entire kit is just statstick which is too horrible for a 6* standard

[worldly estuary]

In the long run, building first your base is far more beneficial than getting some pulls (that you can get later)

[raven ermine]

Skadi guard i assume ?
Used her a lot, sadly she's very much not worth it
Mostly a pseudo fast redeploy that can handle elites/chunk bosses with s2
Work decently, but when you compare her to the competition, she's trash garbage

[left tulip]

Well yea but I rly like next banner:)

[upbeat iris]

one of skadi's mods is frd themed, iirc she gets the cd of an agent

[ember mirage]

Skadi Corrupting heart sorry

[safe tundra]

oh

[raven ermine]

Oh 🥹

[worldly estuary]

The banner runs for 2 weeks afaik, and we have another event before it, just dedicate a few days onto the base

[left tulip]

I promise I will start putting more time into base, idt I’m thaaaat far behind on it too .

May I ask again, who’s a better E1 between mantra and lapp?

[raven ermine]

She's basically just an inspiration bot, you use her to buff units, but as you said, it's not that great either
Inspiration is flat atk tho, so some units benefit better than others
Mostly just passive hps/atk/def for whatever is in range

Can be used in hyperbuff squads with s3 too, but that's just a for fun niche

[safe tundra]

skalter has no spotlight nowadays because her most used gimmick is to grant extra statstick to allies that deal damage using atk_scale like chongyue but the current meta have bunch of self sufficient operators without needing or supplementing buffers

[worldly estuary]

What is the rest of your roster btw (appreciate krooster)

[raven ermine]

Core in burn slop, i'm contractually obligated to say this

[left tulip]

^

Im at the end of chapter 9 rn ~~didn’t beat the boss yet ~~

[raven ermine]

Would say mantra, but others recommended lapp which is valid too

[worldly estuary]

E1 operators don’t really differ that much
It’s E2 were most shine

[raven ermine]

Well yeah but you got to start somewhere

[left tulip]

Then I’m going to ptilo ig lol

[worldly estuary]

Just don’t build someone who isn’t necessary

[left tulip]

Ptilo is rly good right?👀

[raven ermine]

We told you that she was not the priority
She's decent, not really good

[worldly estuary]

Why need to heal when you can kill them

[left tulip]

Fair enough

[worldly estuary]

As your top priority, you should focus on your main damage dealer, which would be mantra/lap/silverash

[left tulip]

Well, my support unit is the only one actually killing (and tequila) so I can help those two w ptilo

[celest sluice]

well ptilo does shine if you don't have any of the newer healers, and she also regens sp which is really good and quite rare

[left tulip]

Yea my main interest was the sp charge when saying this

[raven ermine]

It's usual newbie bait, slightly faster cycles won't make a difference compared to actually upgrading your team

[worldly estuary]

Problem is:

• he doesnt have base built
• low resources
  Ptilo would be a good investment when you already have built dps

[winter crystal]

Sp regen from ptilo is fraud, it shouldnt be the reason you use her. She’s one of the two better healers for 5 stars and something newbies have access to

[mortal perch]

Why isn't eg5 here? I have eg1-4 unlocked and all 4 hidden stages beaten

[left tulip]

Will an E1 op make a difference where im at rn

[celest sluice]

idk about that bro, that sp regen helped me clear one of the annihilation stages

[winter crystal]

For combat 5 and 4 starts function perfectly fine at E1 even some 6 stars do as well like saria

[left tulip]

So I guess lapp over mantra then ? If I’m choosing that way

[celest sluice]

where are you currently? and as someone said before it's only at e2 where stuff starts ramping up

[winter crystal]

If the Sp regen is what make or break your clear of an anni stage the smallest bit of better planning or ops would’ve made a much bigger difference

Also anni stages are considered very easy

[raven ermine]

Yes ?
As i said you need to start somewhere
Lapp skill is s2, mantra s2 is way better than s1, kroos2 main skill is s2, sash can lanehold with s2
If you don't want to invest in your team, at least invest in your base
If you just really like ptilo, you do you, but you got the advice already

[celest sluice]

that depends, with what i have now i would never need her regen, but when starting out any small detail thing helps, in this case being the sp regen

[left tulip]

Alr ic, ill go w mantra mayhaps

[winter crystal]

When you’re starting out E2ing ptilo instead of dps will do more harm then good

Otherwise we are talking about .15 sp regen on E1 which might as well not be there

[raven ermine]

Or you know, raise the units that need their skills instead of coping +0.15 sp/s ?
And base ?

[left tulip]

wdym?

[left tulip]

or kroos depending on what stage gives me lol

[winter crystal]

If you can actually tell the difference in game with that .15 sp regen I’d be very surprised

[obtuse obsidian]

ptilo is raised for the healing btw so her prio is same as all healers = low

[worldly estuary]

Id not e1 kroos2 imo. Just what Mayuhiko said it’s fine

[left tulip]

so do i keep the chips if i only get sniper ones

[raven ermine]

Their "only" operator currently is tequila and sp regen is actually harmful if you click the skill whenever it's ready for liberators

[left tulip]

my only operator is the borrowed one

[abstract mauve]

narantuya is a very functional dps and a lot of newer accounts would love to have an operator like narantuya

[left tulip]

shes the second op i used most after wis on borrows:)

[winter crystal]

Do exu2 S2

[left tulip]

aaaand mantra is gonna be e1

[obtuse obsidian]

do exu1 s3 for freefall in graph

[abstract mauve]

my propaganda nooo

[worldly estuary]

Btw does ptilo sp boost affect offensive skills or only auto?

[obtuse obsidian]

auto only

[abstract mauve]

i keep forgetting that this dps bot has exu's default skill as her s3 for some reason

[worldly estuary]

Alr, thanks

[obtuse obsidian]

chen v1 is for offense defense

[mental gull]

where's the page that tells us the sequence of events that happened in cn servers?

[abstract mauve]

never said that she was better than exu2 anyway 🥱
but her damage is still pretty good

[abstract mauve]

/cnevents in #bot-spam

[shadow bay]

imagine ptilo working in offensive recoveries...

no one would unleash the chen thorns synergy

[obtuse obsidian]

nobody uses chen thornanyway

[proven kelp]

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[winter crystal]

How many enemies does S2 Wisadel need to hit to put out more damage then S3 or does it already just her burst is quicker with S3

Always curious never asked

[raven ermine]

S2 has low dph, she does not like def

[abstract mauve]

quadratic scaling when it quadratically scales

s2 already out damages low defense anyway smh

[winter crystal]

Do you know the rough cut off before defense flips the tables?

[abstract mauve]

i'd have to do math 🥹
uhhh do you trust the dps bot

[winter crystal]

Sure lmao

[abstract mauve]

it says like 450 defense but i dont trust the dps bot

[winter crystal]

Alright well now ik it does at some point

[woven mica]

Is exu1 getting e2 worth it ?

[winter crystal]

No

[abstract mauve]

no

[woven mica]

Dang no hesitation

[winter crystal]

Exu1 isn’t considered worth it to build when you can use kroosalter E1 save a lot more resources and perform the same job

[upbeat iris]

which mountain module? and what level

[abstract mauve]

she's well known to be one of the worse 6*s. she'd need masteries and mod just to be passable. no need to do all that investment. she falls off hard past 500 defense which even normal enemies have starting episode 7

[raven ermine]

Do you really want to mod mountain ? It's not recommended

[upbeat iris]

what about sa mod then?

[winter crystal]

Yes

[upbeat iris]

lv 3?

[raven ermine]

Sa mod3 if your roster is somewhat limited/you use him often yeah

[upbeat iris]

otherwise not worth it?

[winter crystal]

This is all advice with no context since we don’t know what your roster looks like

[upbeat iris]

it's not a new acc, it's pretty set, i just never got around to modding a lot of ops

[raven ermine]

He's drafted in IS5 gvg iirc if he wasn't booted at some point
If you have a lot of "firepower" already, you won't use him outside of that

[winter crystal]

Ok then we need to see your roster. There might not be a reason to deploy him

If you can make a krooster account and post it here we can better help

[woven mica]

Is it too late for me 😭🥀

[raven ermine]

No, just keep your sunk cost fallacy in check and don't go further

[winter crystal]

The most expensive thing would be E2 so it’s not the end of the world 🥀

[woven mica]

Alr tho she was my first 6* i didn't know she was worst

[upbeat iris]

not remade my krooster since they changed sites, but i'd say that i probably qualify under "no reason to deploy" then. but ig i value his gimmick and if it's a solid mod in a vacuum then idm

[winter crystal]

If you plan to use him then mod him . If you have a full meta team no reason to bring him but you do you

[raven ermine]

The mod is very good for silverash if that's what you're asking
Silverash overall isn't really valuable in a stacked roster

[hoary ruin]

Outside of being buffed by the modifers themselves, do enemies gain boosted stats in simulation stages VS normal adverse difficulty?

I'm trying to get the bear's stage cleared with two mods but Hoshi1 isn't living long enough anymore, despite being fine on regular adverse.

[upbeat iris]

will do

[fleet marsh]

Ok first time having to ask here since General too busy rn, how do i unlock the third slot

[woven mica]

Is mudrock worth the investment tho ?

[woven mica]

Upgrade ur reception room(where u get clues )

[fleet marsh]

Oh

[raven ermine]

Yes, you can check the wiki, it has the values, tho i'm pretty sure they're the same for each stage

[ebon plaza]

reception room upgrade, but iirc if you do that you can't run 2-5-2

[winter crystal]

Do you….normally ask your game questions in general chat?

[fleet marsh]

I used to run 252

[hoary ruin]

Bleh....sigh. I really don't want to put masteries on Hoshi1 S2 for one stage.....

[winter crystal]

No

[ebon plaza]

so you don't anymore? or what

[fleet marsh]

Yep, 243 now (i think its 243 if not 342)

[raven ermine]

Does she have module ? Idt it should be an issue if you drop her on top of the bear with modx1 sl7

[fleet marsh]

You needn’t have had to put the parentheses, im lvl 82 😭😭😭

[hoary ruin]

She does have the right mod yeah. Maybe I'm dropping her too early.

[ebon plaza]

well if you've already flubbed the 2-5-2 no reason not to get the maxed reception and free texas then

[woven mica]

My bad i thought i wrote it wrong so that's why I simplified it

[fleet marsh]

Wanted max level dorms

[fleet marsh]

Ahhhh i see

[winter crystal]

Maybe work on master 2 and 3 on your lapalt before dorms

[ebon plaza]

we all got our own goals, you do you

[raven ermine]

Use cheap ranged units to bait the bear back and forth until you have enough dp to fully deploy hoshi and medics
Then make sure you drop hoshi right on top of the bear for modx def

[raven ermine]

You can still run 252 with max right side btw
And it's still better than 243

[ebon plaza]

is this with proviso?

[raven ermine]

Even without

[woven mica]

How ?

[ebon plaza]

how many level 2's would that be then?

[raven ermine]

wdym how ?

[raven ermine]

One lv3 fac and 4 lv2 without proviso
One tp lv2, two lv3 facs and 3 lv2 with proviso

[ebon plaza]

interesting

[woven mica]

I mean how can I get the 252 with reception maxed out (I'm new tbh so I don't know much about the game )

[woven mica]

What is proviso btw ?

[raven ermine]

If you can avoid leveling RR and office, you'll still get a better base
But with RR/office maxed, you can downgrade some factories to lv2, and dorms lv1, and it'll still produce more than 243 setups

[raven ermine]

Proviso is an operator, the best tp worker in the game

[vernal drift]

https://krooster.com/u/silent
I'm having some issues with the stage 16-16 as i get to the second part pf the fight but then i die due too not being able to defend so suddenly its probably a skill issue.

[fleet marsh]

Same lowk

Ts my setup

[raven ermine]

Is there a reason as to why you didn't unlock mods ?
I assume masteries are not done either ?

[keen scarab]

What is ascalon dmg type? Physical?

[ebon plaza]

there's a yt vid somewhere where they cleared 16-16 with haruka ulpi ines sakiko, just follow that

[fleet marsh]

I am lazy

[vernal drift]

Thank god i have all of them

[fleet marsh]

I dont :p

[vernal drift]

💔

[fleet marsh]

I ooga booga until i hear Mission Accomplished

[winter crystal]

Besides all the missing mods S3 Haruka?

[ebon plaza]

they have sakiko + 4* runs, there's a wisadel run, just follow the videos

[fleet marsh]

Tf is S3

[winter crystal]

Skill 3….you should use S2 it’s her main skill

[fleet marsh]

Oh, uh… lemme read

[ebon plaza]

#en community

[fleet marsh]

Holy sht it’s theoretically better, need to test it tho

[vivid yew]

Hi, i started playing again after i previously quit, i want to ask few things

1. Which module is worth to get next? Both Ascalon and Logos modules are level 1
2. Who should i E2 next after Shamare? I will stop raising Silverash, i don't like him
3. Who should i buy with yellow cert?
4. What's the best skill to M3 for Mantra? I don't have Tragodia

[spare jetty]

tequila if you want more profit

[vernal drift]

I love reading

[obtuse obsidian]

delta logos 3
SA mod3 also good

do you have other e2 options then those?

[raven ermine]

logos mod3
Silverash
For now, no one, you can keep an eye out for mlynar/ines, and ask around if you're unsure
s3

[odd sky]

mantra uses s3 anyway even without trag

[fleet marsh]

Bro said he doesn’t like Silver Ash 😭

[obtuse obsidian]

tbf unmodded sa next to logos :ya:

[raven ermine]

Kinda missed that part, but uh, why ?
He's e0 ofc you don't like him
Show your roster if you want more options

[fleet marsh]

Tf does tbf mean

[odd sky]

to be fair

[obtuse obsidian]

to be femn

[vivid yew]

I don't have too many options, this is my second week after coming back

[sly compass]

What is the better skill for Sakiko to kill shield guards? s2 or s3?

[reef sparrow]

S3 as always

[obtuse obsidian]

holy shit they all sucks just e2 sa

[abstract mauve]

s3 is her main skill

[quick jolt]

s3 and its not even close. if you are using her for damage its always s3

which you should be. i am a sakiko s2 hater idk

[abstract mauve]

cuz s2 is slightly better thorns s3

[reef sparrow]

S2 sakiko can solo sniper/caster chip stage

[fleet marsh]

Who tf is Sakiko

[ebon plaza]

just save honestly, no need to use resources on units you won't use

[quick jolt]

google exists

[obtuse obsidian]

piano collab girl

[odd sky]

will you pull silverash alter considering you don't like him

[vivid yew]

Eventually, i will need to E2 Amiya anyway. Unless they already removed that restriction for chaper 8 finale

[spare jetty]

(theres pramalt in sashalt banner)

[ebon plaza]

killing one specific enemy always s3. afk lane hold is s2, personally i can count the number of stages i've used s2 on one hand, but i've also only gone up to ch10

[quick jolt]

fae did your name always have spaces in it or am i schizophrenic

[ebon plaza]

still gotta do that, but yeah other than that just leave them alone

[spare jetty]

yes this time

[hoary ruin]

You can just go to Ch9 whenever and skip end of chap8 that req Amiya E2.

[obtuse obsidian]

s2 is worthless out side of e1

just s3

[abstract mauve]

seems to be new

[ebon plaza]

worthless is stretch

[proven kelp]

New addition

[obtuse obsidian]

am taking that stretch

[spare jetty]

the first time seeing spaces in it makes me weird

[ebon plaza]

watch out for cramps

[spare jetty]

and now i forgor did the spaces existed in his name before

[abstract mauve]

nae. i remember typing out their name as F.A.E often enough

chat how good does a welfare have to be so that we'd recommend them to a newbie?

[wide zenith]

Regarding the limited time event with the new story chapter -- what are the time limited things to do? Is it only the shop and some of the missions?

[proven kelp]

[ebon plaza]

pretty much

[quick jolt]

krooster tier ?

[abstract mauve]

krooster is mid tho

[obtuse obsidian]

lowkey i just recommend tequilla and dip

[abstract mauve]

thinking of dropping her down a tier tbh. main usage is highroll IS runs and low defense enemies

[quick jolt]

i was gonna say tequila tier but it felt a bit too high standard

[proven kelp]

I like Kjera but chat isn't ready enough for it

[wide zenith]

Krooster fills a niche at least early game and for IS

[winter crystal]

How long have you been playing?

[obtuse obsidian]

am ready for it tho

[vivid yew]

I will consider it. I used maxed SA from support previously, and he feels less impressive than units like Mlynar, Ulpianus, Wisadel, and Exusiai Alter

[wide zenith]

No medals? No stages?

[abstract mauve]

the question is 2 fold cuz 6* like sankta miksa isnt recommended even tho he's easily worth the materials for a new player imo

[woven mica]

Lemuen s2 or s3 ?

[obtuse obsidian]

will yes he is weaker then mlynar/wis/exu

but you dont own mlynar/wis/exu and he is your 5th best unit

[quick jolt]

s3

[obtuse obsidian]

just try your saria vs shu and see the gab :icant:

[woven mica]

Alr thnks

[ebon plaza]

the stages should all still be there like in ch15, as for medals i'm not too sure

[abstract mauve]

imma be completely real for you. im like 1 more arts damage unit away from putting her in unranked in my welfare tierlist. i have more uses for minimalist btw. like actual unironic uses

[shadow bay]

we only have 5 medals this ch16 update

[hoary ruin]

For some perspective, you're comparing a starter DPS to 3 of the best DPS in the game. Of course SA1 doesn't measure up to Wiz, Mylinar or Exu2.

[proven kelp]

Damn 🥹

[obtuse obsidian]

SA actually have good usage in chap 16

so that will give him a point

[woven mica]

That's the realest statement ever and I agree too

[quick jolt]

you cant take a unit that was there on release in a 7 year old game and compare them to the best dps in the game who came out less than 6 months ago

[shadow bay]

now imagine mantra and SA in ch 16 stages

[chrome tiger]

“My napalm bomb does less damage than these Tsar Bomba” ahh statement

[proven kelp]

How good of a dps is he at E1?
Like if he does a decent amount then i can see the vision
A brick with good dmg is still much better raise than a normal defender

[shadow bay]

and u just bring all invi revealers coz fak mechanics

[fiery canopy]

what happens if i do

[quick jolt]

im coming to your house

[frigid stream]

Let the miners solo, forget the invis reveal

[obtuse obsidian]

he dont have one now what

[hoary ruin]

You gain disappointment.

[winter crystal]

Tbf some people who don’t play games like these don’t realize what “power creep” is

[woven mica]

Take some oil too

[abstract mauve]

the issue with sankta miksa is that he's ass at e1 cuz s2 is almost a purely tanking skill. tho he gets pretty worthwhile at e2. like just genuinely decent unit

[quick jolt]

light is going to beat my ass

[lyric lagoon]

bad time to join hell

[obtuse obsidian]

5 star players dont know what powercreep is :ya:

[drowsy echo]

why doesnt the game let me put the block here if the middle lane is left open?

[abstract mauve]

some of the best 5* units released are release operators
mfw they dont make them like they used to

[quick jolt]

ive always thought he seemed genuinely decent and have told people in private to build him but i figured i would get crucified for bringing that up here

[shadow bay]

yeh the error pops out as to why it wont let u

[lyric lagoon]

en can’t read

[drowsy echo]

not all the routes are blocked though

[winter crystal]

Could EN ever read? 🤔

[lyric lagoon]

for the red box on the bottom and bottom it does

[drowsy echo]

no because the middle is still left open???
why am i being flamed for not being able to read

[obtuse obsidian]

you get some side grades here and there at least :clueless:

[abstract mauve]

i do genuinely think he's worth building. like i remember there being discussions about who's better between jessica2 and sankta miksa and genuinely it's not even a competition imo but also i do have a tiny bit more experience with one of the units but not like i didnt extensively use jessica2 either

[lyric lagoon]

there are set routes in the game

[drowsy echo]

and they just dont redirect?

[chrome tiger]

enemies that go to this blue box wont go to that blue box something something

it’s how the game work

you are supposed to learn this like 10 chapters ago minimum

[lyric lagoon]

they have to route to a specific box and can’t change box objectives

[drowsy echo]

ok but even if i place the roadblock there, every red box can reach every blue...
im ok if that's just how the game works but...

[lyric lagoon]

they prob just skipped via chapter 16 event

[vivid yew]

I think it's because i'm too stingy with my resources. My Saria is still holding fine at E1 50, even though yes she heals lower than Shu and have little to no utility.

But if i have to raise Silverash to E260 and module level 3 just for him to be okay and be replaced with another unit later down the line. I don't like that, i know it's not a good mindset, i tried to change, but i just can't

[shadow bay]

pathing should be like this afaik... for more accurate pathings we have online map website u can visit (i think its pins) but this is the surface explanation why u cant block it, enemies kinda cross this path, so if u block the paths at same time... yeh

[limpid yarrow]

no utility
sp battery, calcification as a unique arts multiplier

[chrome tiger]

Check the roadblock position again you are blocking right side, the blocked middle

[raven ermine]

And very decent stall

[limpid yarrow]

also SA is fine you can just really get into IS5 later

[chrome tiger]

Tbf compared to shu it’s low util indeed

[drowsy echo]

it's still not letting me
the block on the right side is gone, im trying the left, it's JUST NOT LETTING ME

[frigid stream]

dawg

[woven mica]

Bro the game doesn't let u block the routes for blue boxes

[lyric lagoon]

there’s no way we’re counting the one heal tick = one sp from saria as “sp battery”

[limpid yarrow]

calcification

[chrome tiger]

Hmm wait let me check

[obtuse obsidian]

i mean all your units will be replaced or ignored overtime

by the time SA get dropped he would have put value

you can greed and play the game with 4 units or raise whatever you want but we here just suggest what we see best, also dont be too tight on resources, they actually not hard to farm/stack the longer you play.

[hoary ruin]

If an enemy wants to go to Blue Box 1, you can't make them go to Blue box 2 instead.

You can't force enemies to change the objective they want to go to.

[chrome tiger]

maybe the game is actually bugged

[drowsy echo]

left is my setup, right is a guide, what am i doing wrong here

[drowsy echo]

no yes just tell me what is wrong here and tell me

[chrome tiger]

ok i think the stage is lowk just bugged here

just bruteforce it ig

[drowsy echo]

ok SO YOU HELP ME THEN
look at this and tell me whats wrong

[woven mica]

Throw wisadel atp 🥀✌🏻

[drowsy echo]

and you

[shadow bay]

i would test it later.... if still not resolve by then

[hollow plume]

bro this guy cant read

[obtuse obsidian]

about this stage
can someone explain why i could not place a block on the tile of shieldguard mid but could on the tile right above it?

[woven mica]

The stage is bugged ig

[chrome tiger]

help jobbers just say en cant read without verifying shits

someone drag a station goober here

[frigid stream]

i have verified that en can't read

[chrome tiger]

i bet they didnt even read the problem 🚬

[hollow plume]

sorry papa i didnt mean it

[drowsy echo]

thank you for not immediately writing me off kertacx

[chrome tiger]

too late im removing your liver

[pale tapir]

no this is a valid frusration
me and some fellas in #strategy were having the same issue

[shadow bay]

so kinky

[hollow plume]

NO

[chrome tiger]

it’s mah niche 🚬

[worthy eagle]

wait yeah i was having the same issue!

[hoary ruin]

Does the pollution block placing blocks too? Maybe that's what's going on here?

[humble garden]

naw sedativedance checked (on his behalf)

[pale tapir]

no I cleared everything pollution and all still doesn't let u place even tho valid path exists

[hollow plume]

arknights cant read

[hoary ruin]

I wonder what I did on that stage then. Huh...

[drowsy echo]

i have this picture here, it let me place the block and pollution was gone bc miner, and it stopped me still...

[quick jolt]

girl just find a different strat atp 😭

[vivid yew]

Alright, i will consider raising him after Tequilla. Does he share trust with his alter?

[pale tapir]

in theory some path like this is what they take in the 2op exu alt hoshi alt clear

[shadow bay]

no we need to find the logic why we cant place roadblock

[chrome tiger]

en is just fucked that way 🥰

[hoary ruin]

All alters share trust with base version yeah.

[obtuse obsidian]

like i had blocks where the red squares at but could not place middle block on shield guard spot (red circle), do enemies here have some whacky movement?

[sly compass]

After over a hundred failed attempts on h16-1 with my very-green squad. Finally got it with a borrowed mantra. Thank you all here for the suggestions and advice. Cumulatively got me there ❤️

[shadow bay]

you're welcome

[woven mica]

Saileach e2 good or nah ?

[quick jolt]

not worth

[shadow bay]

very low priority

[crimson star]

who should I build after getting logos to e2, or should I look at 5 stars instead of 6 stars

[waxen dove]

You’re my inspiration

[quick jolt]

logos modDelta lvl3 and mlynar mod lvl3 and ascalon modX lvl1

[obtuse obsidian]

yes
(btw are you just raising base slaves? those honestly are a bigger waste since they take several years to pay off)

[left tulip]

very green in what sense?👀

[obtuse obsidian]

surtr

[shadow bay]

i would give modules to ur e2s at that time

mlynar mod3
ascalon base mod, one that give more slows
logos delta mod3

after that to answer ur question, ig just build either surtr or nymph next

[quick jolt]

and masteries on logos/mlynar s3 and ascalon s2 if you havent

id prioritize working on those 3 over e2'ing anyone else. after that, surtr is next prio ig

[pale tapir]

ascalon is modx1 ye

[crimson star]

It'll probably take a while for me to get to chapter 11 though

[sly compass]

My account is less than a month old. My only non-welfare 6* is Sakiko and I have zero paid orbs, so minimal resources

[quick jolt]

idt itll take that long. regardless, the operators you have now can reach ch11 anyway

[left tulip]

i see, congrats

[pale tapir]

actually curious, what makes him better than jessicat?

[winter crystal]

There’s a worker, attacking the tile to the left of where you want to place your block. It’ll probably mess with the code if the worker gets cut off in the middle of interacting with the tile

That would be my guess

[vivid yew]

I raised few 4 stars for base. Unfortunately i don't have Vermeil for factory combo. I don't have Proviso, so i raised Shamare and Tequilla next.

I like Shamare, so the base skill is a bonus. Tequilla for fun reason, i have her sister raised so might as well

[obtuse obsidian]

oh 4stars are recommended since its only e1 (or privoiso since that bitch is nuts in base)

i meant e2 base like tequilla

[glass peak]

i'm having trouble farming warmy's mod (have to do elemental damage) - any 0 sanity levels with opponents with enough hp to burn without them instantly dying?

[chrome tiger]

I guess as a defender he’s more tanky than jessicat

[obtuse obsidian]

but ya if you raising him for brothersister fun go for it champ i did that too

[reef sparrow]

OF stages have some bulky axe guy

[silver smelt]

TW has mudrock colossus

~100k hp and 150k for hexed colossus

[obtuse obsidian]

borrow bobbing and proc fire on high res enemies withhim

[reef sparrow]

0 sanity moments

[left tulip]

tequila has a sister?

[proven kelp]

Personally I'm pretty fine with Mika recommendation
Im always in favor on raising 6* over lower rarity since even at e1 they tend to perform better anyway, and the cost to get them to e1 lvl60 is about the same anyway

And surely Mika has better dmg than most lower rarity melee units no? even at e1. Atleast from what i seen on the dps bot

Maybe not e2 right away for a newbie, probably a bit later
But im in favor of raising him over lower rarity blockers

[obtuse obsidian]

la pluma

[vivid yew]

La Pluma is his step sister

[raven ermine]

OF-7 has 6 rockbreakers and is quite fast to run

[drowsy echo]

thank you for an actual answer unlike the other guy that flamed me, i'll try something and see if that was it, but im starting to be convinced it's just bugged

[pale tapir]

that's weird tho because you can place the first two on top of workers (miners)

[silver smelt]

his high dp cost can be quite a hindrance since earlygame newbies will want multiple blockers usually and they may not have access to vgs better than myrtle
other than that yeah hes a good brick with decent dps

[winter crystal]

I’m not sure either it was my best guess. But how spaghetti code could be it could just have a problem with that specific worker in that specific tile

[obtuse obsidian]

dp is not a real issue early gameimo

[left tulip]

is mika difficult to obtain

[silver smelt]

it is imo

[quick jolt]

are there even any notable dp check stages before ch7

[pale tapir]

earlygame loves dogrushes so it makes it seem like dp is an issue
in reality we have many solutions to that now, the question is whether newbies have said solutions

[ebon plaza]

the humble mountain

[winter crystal]

Placing down Myrtle back in the day and praying you get another op down before she dies to a dog

[raven ermine]

the humble noir corne

[woven mica]

Yato

[left tulip]

i jrecently just did stuff all the way to chapter 9, i never had big issues with early rushes

[silver smelt]

Nowadays we have low dp cost units that also deal a trillion damage so its easy to ignore newbie problems

[ebon plaza]

damn we swtiched up on the goat early lane holder smh

[winter crystal]

Exu2 11 dp cost

[proven kelp]

Fair
But in the same time, Defenders that isn't Noir tend to be deployed later anyway, since you ideally want to deploy your Ranged units first before a Defender to make them take Agro, so being higher cost is not really that big of a problem

Its like 4 DP more expensive than coura anyway, if your strat already lost on a 4 sec difference then you really have to work on it

and you know, use VG, it doesn't even have to be Myrtle, they can survive properly no issue

[silver smelt]

12 but yes

[winter crystal]

11 with pots

[silver smelt]

yeah i mean if you have better vg than myrtle go for it
but uhh im assuming they don't have matsukiri

[left tulip]

fang is all i got

[pale tapir]

insert buzz lightyear wall meme

[raven ermine]

fang is all you need

[left tulip]

i dont need fang then

[glass peak]

woo, 5k/40k in 1 run, good enuff. thanks!

[reef sparrow]

schizo map

[quick jolt]

thats definitely just a bug yeah

[winter crystal]

Clearly the game doesn’t like you

[drowsy echo]

phainon would admit that he was wrong

[pale tapir]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING XDD

I could draw 20 valid paths and the game is like nu uh

[obtuse obsidian]

but what if the dude want to walk this specific path? cant you think of his feelings?

[proven kelp]

This is the wrong path
Walk the correct path

[mild yacht]

Only feelings he has are of pain.

[abstract mauve]

mainly damage. that doesnt sound like much of a deciding factor for a defender but jessicat feels genuinely miserable to use. they have similar tankiness so not much issue there. jessicat's stun is somethig ig but you mostly are blocking using either of them so that isnt helping as much as it possibly could

[lyric lagoon]

mb, there you good? no need to crash out over “en can’t read”

[pale tapir]

understandable yea
I stan jess but her damage is tickle dmg fr

[proven kelp]

I like Jessicat

[slim tusk]

if jess tickle,sankta is worse

[drowsy echo]

ok so let me give you my perspective, i was already a little annoyed by this level, so i go to the community for help in the help channel and get what you said
an ABSOLUTE lack of empathy PLUS just a plain useless and wrong response

[abstract mauve]

sankta is not worse damage. sankta can actually dish out his damage in a fair amount of time. jessicat has that 3 second lookin ass attack interval

sankta miksa can deal his entire 60k damage in like 3 seconds when the circumstances are right. yes that doesnt happen. but that's not what you always want either. jessica is just limited to having an awful feeling to use

[slim tusk]

it's 1.8s but sure

out of laterano comp i don't see sankta being any better

[pale tapir]

they're not wrong, jess takes forever to get her boom boom out
pretty sure it's designed that way so she can do multiple shield deployments

[abstract mauve]

she just feels like ass to use. ill just leave it at that. also ST vs multi target. jessicat aoe does NOT make up for it

[reef sparrow]

for map help and shenanigans, you can go #strategy

[sweet crown]

Do these rewards go away once the event ends?

[abstract mauve]

if your comparison is like defenders and 5* melee then ye, he easily out damages them at e1 with few exceptions. just have bad experience with his e1 cuz of IS but ye

[radiant mantle]

They stay

[vivid yew]

Is Silverash Alter on par with Ines? I feel Ines kit is generally better

[pale tapir]

are you sure? if that's the case wouldn't the ch15 event missions still be available?

just wondering what u mean by they stay

[ebon plaza]

they have different utility and therefore occupy different niches, who's kit is better will depend on who matches better with the content

[vivid yew]

They are still available. Missions that give event point will go away, the rest are permanent

[severe crypt]

Some missions are limited, rest are perma

[pale tapir]

oh interesting
how do you view these?

[hoary ruin]

The only missions in the ch 16 "footprint" list that had a listed duration were those for flints.

[pale tapir]

oh nvm top left

[vivid yew]

Top left corner

[pale tapir]

I have an unclaimed piss pyramid
thanks

[pulsar bison]

this doesn't work with haruka right

[hoary ruin]

Nope. Haruka's not a medic. The OP has to be medic class specifically.

[lament loom]

U can use Wandering Medic

[hoary ruin]

Yeah, I've been throwing out Purestream to top them off if I need them to live.

[stoic nebula]

Except lava and kross alter which op i can get whit the same base skill?

[lament loom]

Oh wait. Therapist is a wide range medic, Wandering is wide range too but with elemental resist or smthing?

[hoary ruin]

I had to check, but yeah seems they cleanse status.

I just use Purestream specifically because I already maxed her for use in IS6 and she's 4*, so low DP cost.

[orchid kite]

If using ave mujica squad what's the best skills for each member aside from saki on s3

[winter crystal]

She still costs 18 dp, not exactly low. But you pick her bc she doesn’t cost hope and counts towards yan ops

[reef sparrow]

all 5* wants S2

[abstract mauve]

umiri can run either s1 or s2

[hoary ruin]

I meant in Ch16, but yeah that's why I picked her for IS6.

[orchid kite]

Ight

[winter crystal]

Make sure to say when umiri uses S1 sakiko also wants to use S1

[abstract mauve]

meh. umiri s1 is alright in general. with more band members activating skils i can see the usage of s1 in general over s2

[undone portal]

icl im starting to feel like umiri just wants s1 almost always

[abstract mauve]

i've changed my mind on it since using her in CN. s1 is pretty good

[winter crystal]

Hmmm guess I need to watch a video on it or something bc I’ve only raised her and I’m not going to raise all of them just to test it 😭

[abstract mauve]

i've been using her in every single stage since she dropped and have used her on CN quite a bit before that

[reef sparrow]

I'm using s2 for better range extension for sakiko s3 but yes full band triggers fever a lot so S1 gives you a better dmg also

[subtle dawn]

Man I wish I started the game when sakiko banner was still on but I was 2 days late

[serene slate]

Umm, about that fever thing, is it infinite duration, or duration is reset after some time?

[reef sparrow]

fever is 25 secs

[serene slate]

How long to refill it again?

[slim tusk]

imagine infinite

[reef sparrow]

400 fever points iirc

[serene slate]

I'm noob, sir. 🥲

[abstract mauve]

umiri i think generally still perfers s2 when run solo. s1 when squad but also s1 isnt bad solo cuz faster cycle than s2

[winter crystal]

If it was infinite the meta might actually budge a bit

[reef sparrow]

nvm it's 450 and 20 secs fever duration

[still surge]

is this good for like my main lvled ids?

[abstract mauve]

maleknights? where sankta miksaparato?

[odd sky]

male 🤮

[ebon plaza]

where logos mod

[serene slate]

How to increase our fever points? Just use their skills?

[reef sparrow]

just read their talents

[subtle dawn]

What's the meta rn?

[still surge]

havent gotten to 11-6 yet

[ebon plaza]

depends on unit, either taking, dealing, or healing damage

[serene slate]

Sorry, sir. 🥲

[winter crystal]

No trag in male knights

[subtle dawn]

I forgive you don't worry

[abstract mauve]

a lot can classify for that. wdym exactly and for what?

[ebon plaza]

in what situation

[still surge]

never got him

[subtle dawn]

Oh I was just curious and wanted to know if there even was a meta

[winter crystal]

Meta defender for ending 4 IS6?

Matterhorn

[spare jetty]

classify what content

[subtle dawn]

Idk bro 😭 some regular hard stages

[abstract mauve]

there's like a 4 general best units and some 15 really good units. who's best where depends on the context of the stages they are used in

[subtle dawn]

What are the 4 best? And will salter or pram2 be joining them or nah?

[winter crystal]

Not quite

[serene slate]

Thanks, sir.

[abstract mauve]

sash2 and pram2 will be joining the 15 really good ones

[winter crystal]

Wis, trag, exu2, wang are Ezpz picks for the top 4

[subtle dawn]

Wis is gonna be on sash2 banner hopefully I get her

Is lappland2 any good?

[winter crystal]

I mean I hope you do too…..but I would bet a lot of money on it not happening unless you spark

[hoary ruin]

Even if you don't Wang's on the next limited banner and he's got similar damage to Wis.

[subtle dawn]

He's a caster right?

[abstract mauve]

trapmaster

[shadow bay]

specialist

[winter crystal]

Generally best global mech accord caster

[hoary ruin]

He's a ground unit who makes mines.

[subtle dawn]

So many good ops coming up I can't wait

[abstract mauve]

wang isnt a ground unit
he's a trapmaster no delta mod

[pale tapir]

wang can be deployed on low ground?

[shadow bay]

trapmasters are high tile ranged units

[hoary ruin]

Is he not ground?

[subtle dawn]

Oh ok I pray they don't release any good unit that replaces my logos

[shadow bay]

nope

only exception is ela coz of her module

[hoary ruin]

I dunno why I thought that tbh. Ignore me.

[subtle dawn]

Wait so if he's a high tile does that mean he might replace my logos??? 🙏 💔

[coarse notch]

pramalter is arguably a better caster but logos is still very good so dw

[hoary ruin]

I mean, why not just bring two strong DPS?

[abstract mauve]

wang doesnt replace logos cuz he replaces your worst unit in your squad technically speaking. but he basically does what logos can do better generally

[winter crystal]

Logos isn’t washed he’s just not top 5 anymore

[abstract mauve]

he's not top 10 either

[subtle dawn]

I just got logos and I don't want to replace him for a long time until the rest of my team is good

[hoary ruin]

Heck, as long as you're not dealing with very arts resistant units you can just bring as many arts DPS as you want.

[abstract mauve]

smh

[ancient wind]

Best combo?

[abstract mauve]

if the rest of your team isnt already good, then you dont have to worry about replacing logos if you even ever have to

[winter crystal]

Top op support for Suzu if you don’t have her

[shadow bay]

guranteed saria

or go wild with chances for ng/suzuran

[subtle dawn]

Even if I get both pram2 and wang?

[abstract mauve]

do you have 10 other units that are better than him in your squad tho?

[subtle dawn]

Nah

[abstract mauve]

then you dont have to worry about it

[subtle dawn]

But like obviously I can only replace my healers with better healers and my ground units with better ground units right?

Ur saying to replace kroos and kroos2 with them?

[shadow bay]

those two are bound to be replaced in general gameplay yeh

[abstract mauve]

better healers and more damage would mean you need less healings overall. when the enemies are dead they arent damaging you. same idea with ground operators. if the enemies are dead then it doesnt matter whether or not you can block them

[shadow bay]

most of stages nowadays arent drone heavy to warrant marksman, and they kinda struggle to high def enemies

[subtle dawn]

Don't they still do good against low def ground enemies?

[abstract mauve]

the only relevant drones have like around 1k defense that marksman isnt good for them

low defense you mean?

[shadow bay]

res dont matter, u look at defense

and most of the case, low res enemies have high def

[subtle dawn]

Yeah mb low defense

[shadow bay]

in theory yeh marksmans should still do in low def enemies

[abstract mauve]

they do a passable amount of damage to low defense enemies but better operators deal that much damage to all enemies already. also marksman needs a lot of investment for meh gains

[lament loom]

U can argue that, with proper positioning / placements, you don't need medics to clear stages if you have better damage. Only unless you have absolutely no options to clear without medics, then use them.

[orchid kite]

Creative mode unit falling off is diabolical tbh

[shadow bay]

this is gonna be another case of nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[teal elk]

idk

[ancient wind]

Already got Saria so Suzu it is

[subtle dawn]

Now that you think about it I only rlly be using kroos and kroos2 when there's flying enemies in story stages

[shadow bay]

yeh check tag calculator to be aware that pool kinda bloated, but since u have saria thats ur next best option so

[shadow bay]

yep marksman selled for specializing air enemies, due to their trait prioritizing them

and most case drones have low defense... so thats that

[ancient belfry]

anyone worthy?

[winter crystal]

Senior + ranged for Shamare cope?

[stray gust]

wait does healing tag comes with guardian defender also?

[winter crystal]

Yeah so nearl

And hung

[stray gust]

if only medic then senior + healing can be worth

[pale tapir]

can exialt s3 not redeploy an op on top of an enemy?

[winter crystal]

No she can right??you have me questioning it

[stray gust]

she should be able to

[ancient belfry]

if I already have shamare, will Nightmare do?

[pale tapir]

I see the splash happen but the op doesn't get redeployed

let me try again recording this time

[winter crystal]

If you have Shamare then healing for Warfram I guess. Senior op doesn’t have a good pool of choices. Shamare is the best one

Do you have ptilo and silence?

[ancient belfry]

Yes as well,

i might as well go tagless for fun haha

[winter crystal]

Is it a ranged op you’re trying to redeploy?

[pale tapir]

no it's hoshi alt

[winter crystal]

Knew it I was just goofin,

[pale tapir]

hmm
I wonder if it redeployed a slightly weaker op instead and I just missed it because they died instantly

[stray gust]

it works regardless of the order of your delivery coordinates

[hexed adder]

Its probably ch16 fog mechanic

[slate ridge]

Its really just

1. Check if deployment is possible
2. Check if deploy limit is reached
3. Check if operator is melee
4. Check if operator has the longest redeploy timer

[pale tapir]

oh shit yeah it's #2
deploy limit 0

[stray gust]

wait is #3 correct?

let me check with ela

[slate ridge]

It works with ranged if you can deploy melee

[pale tapir]

forgot to retreat bagpipe

[winter crystal]

I think it’s just “if the op can be deployed on low ground” not that it needs to be melee

[slate ridge]

E.g. White Shoes

[ancient belfry]

Who to E2 next? Ascalon?

[winter crystal]

Sure, what about your base slaves tho like Shamare

[ancient belfry]

Only Proviso was E2-ed. Shamare priority first?

[winter crystal]

I would just start raising them

[winter crystal]

Imo you have enough damage for Gen content I would start working on your base slaves yeah. If you have Shamare she should be prio for E2 since you also E2ed tequila which pairs with her in base

[ancient belfry]

Level 2 or 3 TP?

[left tulip]

Gravel is good for base btw?

[winter crystal]

Provi lvl 2 tp, tequila Shamare separately with a lvl 3 tp

[stray gust]

you specifically says melee

[slate ridge]

I just woke up

[winter crystal]

That’s horrible my condolences

[severe crypt]

Go back to sleep

[lyric lagoon]

"can be deployed on ground tile" are you happy now

[abstract mauve]

doesnt work for stages with no highground lowground resctrictions btw

but it works for white shoes and ela mod

[heady ruin]

how's jessica alt upcoming module? is it better than her X one?

I know there's a LONG while until that releases but it's on the bot so

[abstract mauve]

current good for invis reveal. new better because current does basically nothing other than invis reveal. not a very high bar basically

[heady ruin]

I see, I might get the invis reveal and just level 1 and the second I'll see if it's worth leveling it to 3

[abstract mauve]

that's what im doing as well ye

[heady ruin]

but the redeploy reduce of the shield....... looks kind of good 👀

cuz that means you can probably sneak more bombshells or use the shield as an sp battery more

[lyric lagoon]

all modx2 and modx3 does is raise the shield's hp and def also duration

[abstract mauve]

he's talking about her new mod

[lyric lagoon]

ah

[undone portal]

mod y shield only gets rdp reduction when it takes damage, kinda doesnt do anything for s3 bombshell strats unfortunately

[lyric lagoon]

and only at a 60% chance

[subtle dawn]

What tags are needed to get gravel and shamare?

[winter crystal]

Fast redeploy

[shadow bay]

gravel is fast redeploy(50-50 with jaye afaik) and/or specialist...

[subtle dawn]

I swear I did that a bunch and kept getting Jaye

[light latch]

Unlucky

[winter crystal]

Shamare is senior op + debuff or you could always gamba with just ranged tab

[subtle dawn]

What are the chances to get her from ranged tag alone?

[shadow bay]

as for shamare... at the top of my brain its debuff supporter, but for reliable catching her u might need to have SO tag

[light latch]

1 in a few thousand i expect

[winter crystal]

Something close to 1/30?

[subtle dawn]

Bruh

[winter crystal]

Oh wait without senior tag?

[light latch]

Do you mean only ranged tag, or with senior tag

[subtle dawn]

Yeah only ranged

[radiant wyvern]

how does bear's rock targeting work (nvm its in enemy info)

[light latch]

Then yeah 1 in a few thousand

[subtle dawn]

😔 💔

[light latch]

Dont expect to get a 5* without senior tag, much less a specific 5*

[winter crystal]

Even if you hit the incredibly low chance of hitting a 5 star from ranged alone it’ll also choose between the 30 some odd ranged 5 stars in the pool

[subtle dawn]

So i just gotta pray I get debuff and supporter together?

[winter crystal]

Pray you get either one with senior op tag

[shadow bay]

[radiant wyvern]

i wonder if logos can delete the rock.

[shadow bay]

only one way to find out...

most likely its also a projectile which is a subject to s3 logos shenanigans

[wanton meadow]

Pram2's recommended mod investment is mod3 right?

[serene slate]

Excuse me, which one is good for Poze?

[lyric lagoon]

just mod1 really

if you somehow need on deploy layer, then mod3, but like prob not a priority

[heady ruin]

60 is better than 50%

[wanton meadow]

Oh interesting, i just thought 25% more layer damage from the increased attack scale is worth the investment

[robust thistle]

Wait no X, not Y

[lyric lagoon]

majority of damage is coming from autos after skill activation anyways

snow layer dps is not good

[wanton meadow]

Ahh ok gotcha

Nice i can save some mats then

[glossy schooner]

Pretty sure debuff supporter is guaranteed to give Pram or Shamare

[winter crystal]

If you get all three tags and the game doesn’t cross one out when you cash them in yeah but you’re really hunting to debuff+ senior op or supporter + senior op. Kinda crazy if you get all three tags

[wanton meadow]

Debuff supporter is already guaranteed 5* no?

[vale finch]

Ooh what's ice breaker games about again, is it for veteran players mostly or newbie friendly

[odd sky]

coop

[pale tapir]

the vets carry the newbies

[severe crypt]

Rate up hool

[shadow bay]

oh w8 the guranteed SO tag notched up sooner

[median arch]

oh boy now i can let down 2 people, myself and my teammate

[shadow bay]

but ig it still wont cover the guranteed TO tag yeh?

[wanton meadow]

I heard horror stories about coop events and the griefing that happens

[lyric lagoon]

mmhhh aak flavored pvp

[severe crypt]

Think of it like this, do people parade around their completely normal coop match?

[odd sky]

read again

[winter crystal]

Or as newbies call it “if you don’t have Wis ima dodge the queue” 💀

[severe crypt]

The normal coop matches are the majority, the griefing is an extreme minority

[lyric lagoon]

atp it’s if no wis, trag, and exu

[shadow bay]

yeh w8 i only see about SO tag 🥹

[winter crystal]

Ima bring conviction

[odd sky]

maybe i'm the one that need to read again

[wanton meadow]

Either lose hard or win harder

[undone lily]

I cant read that special rec tag thing is hurting my brain

[frosty flame]

What is HR contacting speed?

[odd sky]

refresh in recruitment

[frosty flame]

oooh

ty

[kind igloo]

whats the prediction date for SA alter banner?

[odd sky]

man wtf where the TO

scammed

[shadow bay]

thats what im also asking

[pine plover]

different dates grandma

[shadow bay]

we only get SO it seems for now

[wanton meadow]

Speculations are not allowed in this server

[odd sky]

a week after probably

[shadow bay]

w8 im confused with this statement, does this mean in this instance the SO will govern if let say a TO pop out??? coz seems like it

[lyric lagoon]

unless yostar pulls a goofy

[odd sky]

yea that confused me

[shadow bay]

i dont know if excluded means not chosen or crossed out, coz the latter gonna be wild

[reef sparrow]

finally, all of en can't read

[hoary ruin]

I think they're saying "if you somehow get a Top Op tag with the Senior tag when this event happens, the Senior tag will take precedence over the Top tag"

[reef sparrow]

time to get a screenshot for TO crossed out at 9 hrs

[hoary ruin]

So you don't want to take both, in other words.

[kind igloo]

anyone?

[fathom nest]

Only this channel

[tepid thistle]

Find it.Its below your comment

[fathom nest]

You can speculate elsewhere. Datamines aren't allowed anywhere, however

[gusty star]

Helloooo

[shadow bay]

yep thats what im also picking up, which is gonna be wild lol

[winter crystal]

Why would you take both tho 🥀

[gusty star]

April fool is in 2 days...
Does that mean rerun event gonna happen?

[fathom nest]

#game-news

[hoary ruin]

We don't have a date. It'll happen at some point in April or May. That's all we got.

[fathom nest]

How long have you been in this server and you're still asking these questions?

[rocky pilot]

I was wondering where is the outfit rerun and now only I know

[shadow bay]

it gonna be wierd if SO tag will take priority in an instance for so and to tag appear

[odd sky]

is our next april fool the arkenemy or smt

[hoary ruin]

Beats me. Yostar's just covering their butt I think.

[kind igloo]

alright, thanks, i've been stressing on whether i have enough time or not to save up pulls for his banner

[rocky pilot]

I need to be more patient

[gusty star]

oct 7 2023...

[fathom nest]

That's what CN had

[reef sparrow]

wait am I blind or I can't see conviction and u-official rerun?

[winter crystal]

Haven’t seen you since vina welcome back

[fathom nest]

It wasn't announced but it'll be there

[kind igloo]

is it worth it if i spark 300 for wisadel or lapter? i have yu to pair her up with

[odd sky]

playable steamknight

[severe crypt]

“Welcome” very generous rn

[pseudo flume]

Its still in there, just select the previous events on the April Fools selection

[hoary ruin]

No OP is worth the 300 pulls to spark.

[gusty star]

Ty ty have been busy whit other games tbh, so I just playing the arknight on auto...

[undone lily]

follow your heart

[winter crystal]

1-7 grinding will continue until morale improves

[gusty star]

That remind me ice breaker
Should I e2 swire alt and weedy for soccer?

[undone lily]

i spent 300 to get texalter

[kind igloo]

so just get the rate up operator and stop there?

[wanton meadow]

300 spark is a whale privilege, if you're f2p doing so means you're gonna miss so many newer units

[winter crystal]

Don’t need to do either for the event

[fathom nest]

Even if you're whaling it isn't the best use of your pulls

[hoary ruin]

Yes. Unless you're gonna swipe, hitting 300 pulls is most or ALL of your F2P income for a while.

[gusty star]

What about 200 pull for collab?

[fathom nest]

Collab is 120

[hoary ruin]

Just pray for offrate if you want an old limited.

[wanton meadow]

Aren't collab pities at 120

[gusty star]

Ah ok ok

[hardy bronze]

Is there any 5 star limited will appear during next event?

[undone lily]

if you're interested in said future banners atleast

[fathom nest]

And you get 20 of those pulls for free

[fathom nest]

No 5 star is limited

[gusty star]

Oh me forgot

[fathom nest]

What are you on

[shadow bay]

[pseudo flume]

Sparking is allowed under very certain conditions, the condition being you are an unlucky bozo and got the Rate Up Limited on 280 - 300 pulls therefore you have the currency to buy the other limiteds 🚬

[tepid thistle]

Save your pulls for orienteering and/or limited if you don't have many meta operators

[hardy bronze]

Next event, icebreaker game

[gusty star]

@fathom nest can we talk about the new game mode or?

[lyric lagoon]

once again, there are no limited 5*s

[winter crystal]

All these rules about sparking can be ignored if you 💳 enough but if you don’t highly recommended you listen to them

[pseudo flume]

Its fine, since its gameplay

[gusty star]

Thats cn stuff

[fathom nest]

No reason to until the event is live, but we have #icebreaker-lockers for that

[hardy bronze]

Hiks"

[kind igloo]

so unless i didn't get SA alter in like 290 pulls, i should just all in?

[undone lily]

if youre super unlucky then might aswell

[pseudo flume]

You just go for the 1st 6 star and leave

[gusty star]

Okay how to do row the boat do we prefer unit whit big range damage like manticore and such?

[outer ermine]

r there tierlists for ops

[shadow bay]

i got hool

[undone lily]

you get a guaranteed silveralter on the 300th + you get to spark

[kind igloo]

i feel like i would miss out quite a bit? or am i just a gambling addict?

[winter crystal]

All tier lists are ass just ask here if you aren’t show how good an op is

[pseudo flume]

Gamemode Specific yes, Universal no because it sucks

[outer ermine]

how do yall measure who's strong

[severe crypt]

Yeah I don’t think you’ll miss 6 hools

[winter crystal]

YouTube will be your best friend

[pseudo flume]

The latter

[fathom nest]

Reading and math

[hoary ruin]

Too situational to be useful in most cases.

You can use whoever you want for story content anyway.

[gusty star]

I sea

[wanton meadow]

No it's the opposite, you stop the moment you get the rate up unless you're super duper unlucky

[pseudo flume]

Dmg and Utility

[winter crystal]

Don’t go to a casino

[eternal pawn]

Hey guys, should I start farming for it? How worth it is it?

I've already bought the dupe tokens btw.

[winter crystal]

You want to get all 4 every month if you haven’t then farm red certs until you do

[kind igloo]

to late, 12 years old me got too into gacha game and here i am

[fathom nest]

Very time gated resource, it's worth farming if you don't have something better to do (like doing story for OP)

[eternal pawn]

Oh

[hoary ruin]

The problem with sparking on SA2's banner is the next limited banner has stronger ops than who you could spark.

[winter crystal]

They refresh every month and are hard to come by easily otherwise

[eternal pawn]

Alr bet, I'll focus on this from now on

[kind igloo]

another question is the sui sibling banner worth it? wang i meant, chen is just a cherry on top, wont be using her unless i need a second lane holder

[wanton meadow]

Don't even have to mention wang, the possibility of tragodia coming back immediately after sash2 is enough reason to save some resources

[winter crystal]

Yes wang is somewhere near top 4 op in the game

[lyric lagoon]

chen is less lane holding, more giga arts nuke

[kind igloo]

why?

[pseudo flume]

Skip for that is a bait banner and just cope on his Event Rerun

[outer ermine]

then like, is there an acknowledged group of meta dpses/utils

[winter crystal]

He’s a tactical nuke

[fathom nest]

You won't use one of the best ops in the game unless you need a "laneholder"?

[kind igloo]

so like arts wisadel?

[fathom nest]

[pseudo flume]

Wis'adel, Leizi2, Exu2, Mlynar

[hoary ruin]

Yeah, also true. I really hope Mylinar and Trag stay on the ticket for that one.

[wanton meadow]

Dw I'll have 400 pulls saved by sash2 banner or smth

[outer ermine]

including CN ? and what if u include utils

[winter crystal]

If you’re curious type “wang Arknights” in on Google and click on first wiki link

[pseudo flume]

CN is Wang, Utility is separate from Dps

[wanton meadow]

So unless i get ultra cooked i should have enough saved for wang

[severe crypt]

Yes, but Offrate hool

[winter crystal]

Just keep your gamba in check in the three months leading up to wang 😭

[lethal chasm]

What stage am I suppose to be farming for the 16-X

[kind igloo]

damn a 320% percent art damage per trap?

[severe crypt]

Chips and red certs

And 1-7 ig

[hoary ruin]

So besides Trag, who are top utility ops? Asca? Haruka..?

[fathom nest]

I meant Ch'en, you said "her"

[pseudo flume]

Don't worry he has Endfield to worry about 🤫
-# I saw him in some Livechat from an Endfield Streamer

[lethal chasm]

I'm talking about the event

[kind igloo]

owh wait

[severe crypt]

You don’t farm the chapters

[vale finch]

Ines I guess..

[pale tapir]

story stages suck for mats
spend 200 sanity get like 3 drops

[fathom nest]

Fucking
Yostar changed event time again

[winter crystal]

Depends on what you mean by utility, there’s always Shamare but she rarely sees regular use

[coarse heron]

is it recommended to farm orundum?

[fathom nest]

No

[limpid yarrow]

no

[lethal chasm]

Oh so for abnormal spectrum I just clear levels?

[fathom nest]

It's recommended you don't

[pseudo flume]

Nope

[winter crystal]

[coarse heron]

ah okay thanks 😂

[severe crypt]

Just clear first time and then farm like it’s a dead week

[pseudo flume]

Clear Chapters and just farm Supply

[hoary ruin]

I gues in this case I'd define it as CC related or otherwise have a primary job that isn't to DPS.

[vale finch]

Do we know if SA2 event will only start after icebreaker finish?

That will be a long wait...

[kind igloo]

unless you're a 120 doktah who have literally nothing better to do then dont

[shadow bay]

nope

we have instances already of event overlapping, so who knows rly

[winter crystal]

Well there are buffers too like monster

[shadow bay]

just wait in #game-news if an event bound to come or not

[severe crypt]

Even within us 120 doctors there’s only a tiny percentage that dare orundum farm

[kind igloo]

i've look at chen and i take back my words, i mean what kind of passive is that, she switches damage base on which one deal more?

[hoary ruin]

Yep....Her and Wang are both very strong.

[kind igloo]

alright, since i've already gotten 2 sui sibling and wang banner is a must have for me, should i get nian? shes 200 pull

[wanton meadow]

From what i understand the only ones who actually can farm orundum without incurring permanent account damage are the ones with every op in the game built plus insane stash of resources

[tepid thistle]

No not really

[outer ermine]

eh so...
pram is afk aoe arts / cc
sash generates free deploy
wang hyperscaled trapmaster
chenstreak - dodge, self sustain, can silence, can do hp scaling arts, or can burst with mobility scaling off kills

🤔

[severe crypt]

And are choosing to orundum farm over whaling, which you’d prolly be doing already to get to that point

[winter crystal]

There’s no permanent account damage in oru farming it just knee caps your lmd and sanity. So stalls your account progression if anything

[kind igloo]

and the upcoming monster hunter collab dont forget, even if we dont know how good will the ops be, its a true limited and wont rerun until another collab happens

[wanton meadow]

Yep stalling progression is permanent account damage, you can't get back lost time

[minor heart]

I wonder which 5 stars op here worth recruiting, maybe La Pluma?

[kind igloo]

how much do you even get per week? if you farm it?

[fathom nest]

Has been updated with timestamps for Icebreaker

[winter crystal]

I didn’t E2 my provi on the first second of the first day of my account I guess I have permanent account damage

[wanton meadow]

Could've been a billionaire atp smh

[gentle dove]

I've read something about 13 pulls per month or something

[fathom nest]

On average

[kind igloo]

so SA alter banner could be after the joint banner event ended or in the worse case scenario after the icebreaker event

[mossy sonnet]

is emulation the only way to play the game on pc...?? there hasnt been any announcements abt a pc release at all??

[pale tapir]

do you have surfer already
interesting that you don't have ptilo or silence already but whatever

[shadow bay]

u can visit pins in #r-i-i-c to know pros and cons for AO farming