help

[undone portal]

get proviso, build her to e2, put her in a trading post
you will find yourself never concerned about lmd costs again

[hollow musk]

Okayyy

[undone portal]

note that she already works at e0 she just gets better at exchanging gold for you where e2ing is worth the investment

[magic crest]

man i really like Horn's design but i dont think she's worth 180 gold certs rightt?

[signal dragon]

she's not

[undone portal]

horn hasnt had a real use in ages, no

[split plover]

Um I barely use discord ngl im checking pins and its showing some blue=hyperlink? As most recent uh... idk

[nimble kite]

Click it

[hollow musk]

Should I put her now after getting her

[undone portal]

its the 'orienteering' link youre looking for

[compact thistle]

She will help u the moment u get an E2 ticket

[hollow musk]

I already used it on Lapland

[compact thistle]

Ah, thats still decent

[undone portal]

or just whenever you raise her, 6star e2 tickets are a paid only thing generally
surtrs worth building, youll always need damage

[nimble kite]

To SixStar?

[hollow musk]

Should I use 80 lvl on her too

[hollow musk]

No five star

[nimble kite]

I'm not asking you right now, sorry.

[hollow musk]

Oh no worry

[nimble kite]

I know to whom this ticket works. This guy probably doesn't.

[signal dragon]

show your ops

[hollow musk]

@signal dragon

[split plover]

I see alr thanks, also is there gna be a big character coming soon? Or like how long until then, i know nothing abt this game or it's schedule

[signal dragon]

80 on lapp is fine, give exu some levels when you can

[hollow musk]

I am a f2p so ...

[nimble kite]

How long - read Rule 5. If we follow CN - Mantha should be next.

[signal dragon]

next notable banner is sa alt and pram alt, should be soon. 3 months after that we'll get Wang and Chen 3

[hollow musk]

Ok
I am trying but it's hard lvl up characters as a new player

[signal dragon]

how much story have you done?

[undone portal]

i am too, dw
raising a 6star to e2 from scratch takes about 3weeks worth of sanity cost. should be a little less since you should be forming stockpiles of materials such that youre not starting from nothing

[hidden nacelle]

upgrade base to get a lot more exp and stuff first

[split plover]

Rule 5? Where that

[hollow musk]

I am on ch 3

[undone portal]

unfortunately we seem to be quite a few days away from an event afaik, so theres no good place to farm beyond the usual supply stages

[hidden nacelle]

pinsss

[nimble kite]

Channel pins. No prediction date callouts or you get shot.

[split plover]

Pins again huh 🥀

[hollow musk]

I will try but doesn't it take time to upgrade it ?

[signal dragon]

aim to beat 3-8 and start working on your base

[split plover]

Oohh I see i see

[undone portal]

upgrade base first and manage your employee rotations properly, and its a permanent boost to your passive income forever

[signal dragon]

it takes time which is why it's best to start early aas possible. once base is built you'll have a much easier time

[split plover]

Hey this rate up banner thing is alr for me to pull on right? Or js save for that next big character?(this doesn't break rule five? Js mentioning this right?😨) im at like stage 1-3 idk anything

[hollow musk]

Okay

Which character should I pull in future?

[hidden nacelle]

its alr as long as you chose the right 3

[undone portal]

if youre open to rerolling accounts, this is a great time to grab logos/ascalon
otherwise, consider pulling to first 6star and then hold onto your pulls for the silverash/pramanix banner in about a month and a half or so

use arknights.wiki.gg for operator kit details, reading about events that have already released in cn, etc

[signal dragon]

if you're that new you could always reroll if you want to (making new accounts for optimal start)

[split plover]

No no I alrdy rerolled last time I js haven't spent time to rlly get invested🥀i was hooked on a different game

[signal dragon]

we don't have any good banners till sa and pram alter

[split sphinx]

did you start today

[hollow musk]

No no I played when exusia alter was released

And now I am playing again

[undone portal]

note: that selector has stopped being given out to newbies as of mar2. anyone with it has at least made their account around a couple weeks ago

[hidden nacelle]

which selector

[split plover]

Wait would i have that? Guys... listen listen... where is the inventory.....?

[undone portal]

homescreen, 'depot' button in bottom right, check 'consumables'

[split plover]

Ahhhhh I see I see

[undone portal]

the bagpipe/saria/eyja/surtr selector

[split plover]

Oh I do have this one

U guys said surtr?

[undone portal]

yea pick surtr, generally best choice for most accs

[sleek forum]

Which one gonna be in certificate shop?

[royal swan]

Horn and Leto

[sleek forum]

So E0-1 art ops are gonna be at certificate shop?

[royal swan]

In the picture:
6 star with e0 art and 5 star in the middle

In the tweet:
First 6 star and first 5 star

[nimble kite]

How to know:
6☆ Shoperator - the one with E0 art.
5☆ Shoperator - the one in the middle of two other 5☆s.

This is for Standard Rotation.
Kernel is always a left one, both rarities.

[hollow musk]

There is no proviso there

[sacred cave]

Is it worth to cert horn from the shop?

[undone portal]

?

[hollow musk]

Ohhh thanks

[zinc fulcrum]

what are those chess pieces i can see in the new mode?

[undone portal]

indicates operators youre guaranteed to get in some way, either through specialized appointment or your construction strategies skill tree

anyone without one of those you need to roll/select for

btw we have a #1480479361885933792 thread if you have further questions

[urban sleet]

Dont pull for executor alter either

[urban sleet]

Iirc newbies domt get this selector anymore

[undone portal]

yea this one was only given out during anni

[halcyon remnant]

Best module for thorns?

[urban sleet]

None

[undone portal]

delta2 if you must

[rose apex]

is there an upcoming banners list

[urban sleet]

Pins has banner priority

[halcyon remnant]

Oh shit

[urban sleet]

Dont tell me you are asking this after modding him

[coarse notch]

modx2 is fine

[undone portal]

[round charm]

I just got thorns alter is he good?

[undone portal]

hes alright

[coarse notch]

why is bro pulling

[round charm]

Cause yes

[urban sleet]

Why was thorns2 even a pick for orienteering

[coarse notch]

[nimble kite]

It's cool that you didn't asked this in advance before pulling

[undone portal]

if you already own 2 of logos/ascalon/ray/mon3tr i would imagine you already know better so like what was the angle here

[halcyon remnant]

I got ray from orienteering

[coarse notch]

the angle is that the gambling game that preys on gamblers has gamblers playing it

[round charm]

I got lucky

[coarse notch]

i dunno about lucky

[rose apex]

do we lnow the dates of pramanix and silverash alter

[nimble kite]

No, you're not, if this is not Monsta/Ray/Ascalon/Logos, unfortunately.

[coarse notch]

not the ideal result but still a good operator so take the win and save

[undone portal]

thornsalt is like, usable. hes good
not really close to the other 4 i mentioned

[coarse notch]

going by CN scheduling and previous years, late april/early may
yostar may reschedule these at will so we can't give a date or speculate until its in #game-news

[rose apex]

okie yay ill be able to save a decent amount

[coarse notch]

ray is good, logos/ascalon/mon3tr are great
thornsalt is usable, he exists i guess, one of the operators of all time

[undone portal]

in most cases hes kinda ascalon without the stall assuming s2
if youre finding real uses for thornsalt s3 then im just gonna assume you already know what youre doing and dont need to be asking here

[rose apex]

id really like to try for ascalon but i doubt ill get lucky again

[coarse notch]

if you dont have the pulls to and you already pulled orienteering once dont bother

[undone portal]

the moment youve gotten someone off a joint op/orienteering banner is the moment you hedge your bets and leave with your win

[urban sleet]

Yk I just noticed that guy asked if hes good and proceeded to say he was lucky

[coarse notch]

maybe the gamblers itch slipped just a little and they got thornsalt in one single pull while owning half the banner already

[urban sleet]

-# who am I to say I spent 150 pulls and now grinding originite

[coarse notch]

i spent 10 pulls and now i have p3 mon3tr and no hoederer in sight

[urban sleet]

Wont hoederer debut in shop soon

[coarse notch]

yea but i was hoping i could save the 180 certs by skillfully pulling him in 10 pulls here

[undone portal]

not exactly 'soon' but, on the horizon

[raven ermine]

Well you got 10 certs back in 10 pulls, not a complete scam at least

[undone portal]

jessicalts getting her turn first, presumably

[urban sleet]

Ppl hoping for 10 pull magic while I always hit 50 or above for a single 6 star

[coarse notch]

i got yatoalt on the first pull of the banner then spent another 90 getting noiralt
gacha game giveth and taketh

[undone portal]

i pulled ela/hoederer/ebenholz all in a single 10pull while aiming for iana
she took me another 30

[urban sleet]

I have only been taketh from

[raven ermine]

The new 5* system for collab banners is a blessing ngl

[coarse notch]

yea not the worst i guess

has mizuki shown up in kernel locating in CN at all

[robust thistle]

ttheres an old system for collab?

[split sphinx]

facing consequences for bad decisions

[undone portal]

prts says yes, he was in the locating after wang

[keen scarab]

who is this

[coarse notch]

bruh

[undone portal]

nearl

[random kestrel]

for a sec i tho its quercus

[raven ermine]

https://prts.wiki/w/寻访模拟/中坚甄选12

Oh ori told you about it already, mb

[raven ermine]

Might be me misremembering, but i'm pretty sure we did not have the 5* protection that we have now during the first few collab banners

[robust thistle]

pretty sure it already existed since R6S1

[coarse notch]

just pulled an offrate kal using this, this is all your fault

[young glacier]

Didn't protect me from 8 off banners between collab 5*s

[undone portal]

yea, collab 5star system has always been a thing
monhun banner just didnt have a 2nd 5star to run it with

[raven ermine]

I remember getting unlucky on ash's banner for 5* collabs, but it must've been offrates then, you're right

[cyan venture]

how do you get the advance detector in RM

[coarse notch]

unlock it in the skill tree

[cyan venture]

ty

[neat mirage]

why do some characters have the lil rook symbol?

[odd sky]

tech tree or the 12 from refined cores

[neat mirage]

ah

[wraith shell]

After I E2 proviso get tequila E2 hime and pair with proviso?

[raven ermine]

Tequila without shamare is not a good base worker

[random kestrel]

proviso with any +% prod

[robust thistle]

tquila is with shamare

[wraith shell]

Oh I see

[random kestrel]

teq exclusively with shamare and any tailoring base skill

[wraith shell]

Then I wont touch him til I get shamare any base slaves worth raising besides them?

[raven ermine]

When you don't have proviso, you can put him in a tp when you're droning, but with proviso there's no reason to

Did you raise all /baseskills workers already ?

[wraith shell]

Nope I think? I just use low end ops and proviso is the only 1 I raised for base

[raven ermine]

Then check #bot-spam /baseskills and raise those

You can also check #r-i-i-c pins, combo spreadsheet, noob tab

[wraith shell]

Oh yeah I already raise them

[dry rose]

how long does it take to get everything from ra
i wanna build my ray , ulpi and gladiia

ray first probably

[raven ermine]

You can send your roster if you want me to take a look then, but it will likely be e2s for base, which are expensive and should come after you're done with your main team/gameplay prios
Did you get bryophita ?

[random kestrel]

few hours iirc from RA
if play glowstick or something that i heard about

[split sphinx]

like 3hr+ for the setup

[ancient current]

no, only midnight has that. enchanted weapon is one of the skill lines they tried to implement but realised wasn't good and they were better off inventing actual skills

it's similar to Paprika in that aspect, who is actually the most recent operator that introduces a new Greek letter skill line (Shielding Tactics beta, her S1) without any continuation

[wraith shell]

Yeah sure I'll transfer to krooster in a bit

[ancient current]

@abstract mauve fuck you mean I dont know, are you underestimating my schizo again?

[dry rose]

could you do the same for me
i just wanna know do i have the ops to get to a good base ?
my base is pretty dead haha

[raven ermine]

Rechord's famed reddit skill icons analysis 🥹

[dry rose]

ok and how much more time to milk everything ?

[split sphinx]

another hour or so

[ancient current]

you can just ping me for questions relating to skills atp

[raven ermine]

sure

[glad elm]

Remind me again what are logos's use case? aside from S1 afkstrat

[random kestrel]

?
just another burst type of operator

[raven ermine]

Damage
With s3, which should be the main thing you're going for anyway

[dry rose]

https://www.krooster.com/u/vansh14124

[glad elm]

Logos is single target burst right?

[dry rose]

okie

[split sphinx]

do rhw /baseskills first

[raven ermine]

#help message
check both of those

[dry rose]

a person who ik said ray isnt main squad worthy he only used s2 because he hadnt build her does ray with s3 become main squad worthy
he said she is situational as shit

[dry rose]

okay ill do so

[ancient current]

that's not what I meant, but sure

[raven ermine]

and get bryo from sidestories

[raven ermine]

Ray is not situational as shit
Your team would definitely benefit from her

[split sphinx]

they probably a much more developed account

[dry rose]

no like but is that person correct ?

[ancient current]

oh, they are not

Ray is an all-around great operator regardless. she fits in most stages, if not all

[dry rose]

he does not
thats the funny part
he just likes being an elitist with low rarity

[raven ermine]

Main issue is that you have lemuen, and ray/lemuen have a fair amount of overlap in their roles
But you don't have a better alternative, you need to fill those 12 slots

[urban sleet]

If a person is judging ops before e2, that person is not someone you should be taking advice from

[split sphinx]

💀 yeah don't listen to him

[dry rose]

kay thanks

[ancient current]

then he probably shouldnt be lecturing you on high rarity operators he doesn't know about

[random kestrel]

get a better friend

[urban sleet]

Now that I think about it, that person can be e0 mlynwr incident part 2

[spare jetty]

true

[split sphinx]

if he in this server, kindly ping him right now

[tiny abyss]

Do u have more of thisI want it

[raven ermine]

Check his reddit

[tiny abyss]

-# Reddit banend moment

[ancient current]

ill dm u lol

[nova nest]

Sakiko S3M3 seems to be around 25% increase in DPS compared to S3L7, is it usually the power level of M3s?

Checked Logos S3M3, and it's like 80% more DPS compared* to S3L7, was curious about the regular boosts of other units for L7 -> M3

*- assuming more than 3 enemies

[dry rose]

👍

[robust thistle]

80% increase sounds like the scuffed calc back when hes released

[nova nest]

He gets 300% instead of 220% and hits 4 targets instead of 3, wouldn't it be around "(300 / 220) * (4/3)" assuming 3+ targets then?

[split sphinx]

use dps bot

[raven ermine]

Masteries are great, but idt it's even close to 80%
Or you're taking module into account in the calcs

[random kestrel]

uhh logos calc 😵‍💫

[robust thistle]

well you cant really calculate it like that no

[split sphinx]

erm idt people multiply dps by the targets

[robust thistle]

you have one whole extra target on M3, that makes it very skewed to one side

[ancient current]

that doesnt exactly look like 80%

[robust thistle]

if you want to calculate dps increase, do it vs 1 target

[raven ermine]

You have to calc the damage for s3sl7 then s3m3 independently
And assuming a specific target count is something we do often, but usually you don't take best case scenario as a comparison

[split sphinx]

^ ye idk why I got ❌

[raven ermine]

?
Because for obvious multitarget skills you don't take only one target into account, you don't go for the most optimal case either
Just the most probable one

[robust thistle]

yes that is also what they said

[nova nest]

Yea, I did note that it's more than 3 targets, making it favorable for Logos

As for single target, how come he doesn't do "300 / 220 ~= 1.36", so 36% more for single target though? Wouldn't it be all RES, so flat numbers wouldn't matter, meaning it's just a 36% increase?

[raven ermine]

Might have misunderstood then

[robust thistle]

you dont take into account their max target count, which is 'best case scenario'
or you'll get this kind of comparison on sakiko vs 1 target and logos vs 3/4 targets

[random kestrel]

many factor to decide for certain skill to value
or ops in general

[robust thistle]

did you take his talent into account

[nova nest]

Oh, I didn't, you're right!

[formal shadow]

isn't it 400 v 320 since skill desc is +atk

[robust thistle]

it is

[nova nest]

Oooh, that too, Sakiko's skill said "deals 180%" or whatever so I assumed wording was the same, but yea, it's additional damage

Thanks for pointing it out!

[robust thistle]

sakiko is deals 180% atk
logos is +220% atk

[raven ermine]

Sakiko has atk scale
Logos has atk multiplier

[random kestrel]

like sakiko why the upgrade look small compared to logos
sakiko can produce fever that boost her dmg further for example

[split sphinx]

sakiko also hits like 4 times per attack on s3

[formal shadow]

dude this calc thing is boring just use agendas

[nova nest]

I also did not account for the fact that Sakiko deals physical damage on half of her notes, making increase in damage more valuable because of armour being a flat number

Her hitting 4 times doesn't really matter though, because it's the same ratio as her M3 doesn't increase note count

[random kestrel]

i think the simpliest way to measure skill is good or nah is just get the total dmg from the said ops skill and their skill cycle

[nova nest]

Guess this thing goes to Sakiko then, her physical damage should likely put her ahead of Logos M3 for intended use cases

As for damage per skill cycle, wouldn't it be far too many dimensional of an analysis? Sakiko deals physical damage, making you account for armour, number of enemies in her range and stuff, though from the looks of it they are very comparable

[vital kelp]

why is logos vs skk now

[nova nest]

Those were my two options before you guys pointed out why my quick look at their gains was wrong, set for Sakiko now

[vital kelp]

has anyone brought up net sanity cost comparison

[robust thistle]

has anyone brought up total damage

[raven ermine]

Not all of sakiko's output is physical, and her talent is made to ignore part of both res and def
You will m3 both anyway, just compare the sanity efficiency

[vital kelp]

the comparison between them is kinda pointless if u want to do them both any ways no? so like pick the one that saves the most sanity

[split sphinx]

ehhh, that's way too simplistic
sakiko dps increases by like 1.4k while logos increase by 700

so while logos multiplies his dps more, he doesn't actually gain more dps than sakiko iykwim

[random kestrel]

uhmm
that works too
i dont see any relevancy as to which ops to get that insta m3 skill cause eventually you will get there

[pale pebble]

Can any general op be obtained with gold certs?

[robust thistle]

whats a general op

[vital kelp]

yeah, i feel like comparing sanity cost is gonna be more suitable since both are good skill and both u wanna do some day or another

[silver smelt]

sakiko is single target you cant compare her to logos

[pale pebble]

Op in the general pool

[robust thistle]

yes, eventually

[nova nest]

Not if you only have resources for one of them for some time, but in the long run I'll do both obviously

This was more of a "this looks like a crazy difference, are many M3s like that?" than a "Who should I M3 first" kind of question

Thanks for clarifications!

[pale pebble]

Ok thank you

[silver smelt]

you should m3 both anyways eventually
vouchers like that usage depending on "which mats are the most annoying for me rn"

[robust thistle]

sakiko cant compare with logos when people compare exialt and wis months ago

[split sphinx]

just do both

[silver smelt]

...to which many many people pointed out that its aoe vs st conversation? I'd say shes a better unit for other reaons lmao

[fathom hawk]

what’s best hire for IS6 😭🙏

[split sphinx]

raidian

[nova nest]

Raidian

[silver smelt]

Raidian
Exu2

[robust thistle]

just do a dps comparison on single target then put a disclaimer that one is ST, simple

[fathom hawk]

oh wtf i can hire her? 😭💔

[silver smelt]

which is what we did walah

[molten bobcat]

From people

[robust thistle]

so you can compare logos and sakiko

[silver smelt]

not in the way they are?

[robust thistle]

how so?

[lament loom]

Wasnt there an upgraded squad that gives u free Raidian?

[molten bobcat]

Which skill to m3
I only use her for healing and stuff

[silver smelt]

"her phys damage should put her ahead for intended use case" unless their use case is purely ST
which i doubt

[robust thistle]

s2 then

[quaint valve]

Next event still many weeks from now, or closer?

[robust thistle]

not exactly wrong since phys scales harder in present content, and sakiko isnt really purely ST

[lament loom]

Sakiko has like piercing notes and also kinda AOE skill on her S3

[fathom hawk]

wat skill :3
do i use

[robust thistle]

all 3 has their uses

[silver smelt]

What"kinda aoe" skill? Yes the notes can pierce but in a strictly multi target situation an actual multi target skill is better

[random kestrel]

play around and find out about raidian route (gameplay) in IS

[lament loom]

Mostly s2 but all have their use cases. S1 if u need block. I forgot how s3 works

[nova nest]

Depends- for ED1, you probably want stall, so S1

For some stages, S3 solves them on its own (such as the one where you have those kiosk guys)

And for a lot of the stages, S2 is great!

[neat mirage]

s1 if you need like
early IS tanking/blocking
s2 for gen use i find
s3 also for gen use/if u have more ranged tiles

[robust thistle]

'kinda aoe' in a sense that the notes dont get wasted, they still home into nearby targets, but thats beside the point

several maps in IS6 are catered heavily to S3

sugared bait cough

[nova nest]

Yea, the layout of kiosk map is built like it was designed exactly for S3

[molten bobcat]

Is she outdated

[robust thistle]

youre late by 5 years

[molten bobcat]

[raven ermine]

Yes, but tbf she was pretty bad even before

[fathom hawk]

what’s ed 1 😭

[nova nest]

Meant default boss ("first ending" as in ED1) of IS6

[silver smelt]

yes clearly you can just divide the total dmg by the number of enemies ? but then clearly the number becomes smaller..

[fathom hawk]

ohhh oke 🙏

[neat mirage]

shes always kinda sucked 😭

[robust thistle]

well that also doesnt work because the leftover notes only aplies if the original target dies, which you dont really take into account in dps calc

[vital kelp]

after ur target dies, ur dps is always 0

[silver smelt]

like whatever man

actual total damage brainrot

[raven ermine]

I don't think this discussion even matter with such little context
Doing calcs for no reason will lead to this

[silver smelt]

i said "logos s3 and sakiko s3 shouldnt be compared because one is clearly single target" and the response is "oh but sakiko s3 can attack multiple enemies and also "phsyical damage scales harder""

as if logos doesnt have res pen and psuedo true damage built in for this exact reason

[raven ermine]

^

[robust thistle]

I mean even with those factors around, theres no reason you cant compare those two

[sinful tapir]

Logos sucks balls 🥱

[silver smelt]

yes you can contextually? one is better than the other depending on the scenario like we agree on this right

[vital kelp]

best caster after 4 years of eyja and caster still frowned upon

[silver smelt]

thats just IS player propaganda
a shit ton of hard content uses casters

[raven ermine]

Well, not logos

[robust thistle]

so you can compare them

[silver smelt]

didnt i fucking say that it depends on the number of enemies
was that not clear from the start
or do you just want to keep on with this semantic bullshit

[robust thistle]

it doesnt matter because you just set it at 1

[silver smelt]

we literally had this discussion with wis and exu
just specify in what scenario is the damage number from
like omfg
was it not clear enough what i was saying

helpchatters will die if they cant have their daily technicality slash semantics argument

[raven ermine]

Are you not part of it tho 🤨

[dense veldt]

what do ppl usually farm when theres no event stages to farm?

[urban sleet]

Pre-farm mats/red certs/1-7

[vital kelp]

1-7

[raven ermine]

1-7, red certs, chips, skillbooks depending on your needs

[silver smelt]

if this is your takeaway from what you read then im not even going to bother entertaining this

[raven ermine]

I mean, the discussion could've been over 10min ago

[nova nest]

Didn't intend to spark debate, and it likely doesn't warrant arguing over which scenario is more reasonable to examine, it's clear that they perform differently under different scenarios

[dense veldt]

red certs for what?

[urban sleet]

Module blocks

[raven ermine]

Again doing calcs comparison for no specific reason is nothing useful

[raven ermine]

And chips catalysts

[urban sleet]

Yeah that too

[silver smelt]

You think youre saying something but you aren't really
Nobody is doing calc comparison for no specific reason

[raven ermine]

Ok so what's your usecase there

[dense veldt]

is it worth farming red certs for those 6* tokens

[raven ermine]

Not really
If you have too much of it, sure but that's very much not a priority

[nova nest]

I initially asked because I was comparing benefits of SL7 -> M3 for those two skills (as well as being curious about gains on other skills across the cast)

[frigid stream]

Nah they cost too much most of the time

[raven ermine]

I know that
But tbf that's not really useful either, ngl
If you want the information for yourself, sure, but that's a somewhat useless metric

[dense veldt]

oh alriight bet thanks!

[silver smelt]

The point is that they dont have a pre-defined use case and that naturally means both multi target and single target are on the table here

[raven ermine]

I'm not going to entertain this further

[silver smelt]

say absolutely nothing at all
misinterpret the context
leave

[raven ermine]

^

[cursive maple]

anyone with hoshi s2m3 and eunectes s2m3

[vital kelp]

🍿

[silver smelt]

waffling about how "comparing calcs with no reason is useless" when nobody is doing that
pretending this is technicality/semantics is bad faith now
i just have a problem with you personally

[royal swan]

Since this was the question, it depends but a lot of them on strong skills are pretty good

Some skills also have specific breakpoints that u wanna hit that may or may not he tied to mastery

[nova nest]

On the off-chance you want Eunectes for RM, you don't need to borrow her, you can get her for free! (you probably need it for other modes, but who knows)

[royal swan]

ie saria s1m1 is the breakpoint for the sp cost, while s1m3 gives the 3rd charge

[cursive maple]

no im just testing some stuff

[royal swan]

(not a very important mastery, just an example of breakpoints)

[ancient current]

I could also evict you

[frigid stream]

Why are we taking this shit personally now, this is a help channel not a place for argument. Just move on even if you’re right.

[raven ermine]

Nothing heated, we tried to end it, but he keeps on insisting

[alpine echo]

Am i misunderstanding something? First image shows wisadel should be e2, am i mistaken?

[robust thistle]

borrowed ops are not E2 for some weird reason

[nova nest]

It doesn't work for support units for some reason

[alpine echo]

That's weird

[vital kelp]

it has been this way since is3

[robust thistle]

its been that way since IS3

[nova nest]

There's IS-station for IS questions as well, check it out!

[robust thistle]

no #is-station isnt a help channel

[silver smelt]

is station is a yap channel

[nova nest]

Oh, apologies then

[robust thistle]

its a general chat channel for some weird reason

[silver smelt]

because if you go in there asking for beginner help chances are nobody will answer you

[echo venture]

it has useful pins tho

[pine plover]

not useful chat

[silver smelt]

true, check the pins though

[cursive maple]

just ask in is-central

[nova nest]

I go there all the time when I have questions and the chat has been very helpful

I thought "If your topic fits better in another channel (⁠arknights, ⁠r-i-i-c, ⁠strategy, ⁠ak-lore, etc.), please redirect there when notified" meant IS-Station is more suited for IS-specific questions

[pine plover]

think of it as it turned into different habitat

[silver smelt]

#help is fine for beginner IS questions*
questions like "how do i beat this stage" go to #strategy or #is-station for IS stages

but then chances are if you ask in is station fib will just link u a bilibili 2 op with ops that arent even out for u anyways so

[cursive maple]

chances are bait or cube will give you genuine advise, even k*wi sometimes

[sweet blade]

do you need to e2 caster amiya?

[pine plover]

[echo venture]

not really

[ivory terrace]

not priority

[robust thistle]

need for what

[vital kelp]

eventually

[brazen gulch]

for story eventually

[silver smelt]

yeah u can get help there but dont be surprised if you dont get it if theyre offline

[raven ermine]

For story it's like 6 or smth, so pretty low priority

[vital kelp]

i mean, it kinda goes this way

help points u to strategy or tech support

then u go to strategy or tech support and no one responds to u for like 10 min

[frigid stream]

I went in there for help and you were yapping about twinks

[silver smelt]

case in point? so we agree

[pine plover]

[turbid ocean]

whats there to discuss

this is known

if its a question it stays between #help and #strategy

[cursive maple]

cuz twinks are good in IS, gameplay related

[turbid ocean]

only if its abstract will you get deported to #is-station but rather just ping someone who might have the answer instead

[silver smelt]

i doubt anyone is asking how to do d15 ooc in help anyway

[vital kelp]

how do i do d18 ooc with e2 wis e1 click e1 beanstalk and e1 orchid only? relicless atm 2

[silver smelt]

you dont bruh

[cursive maple]

where is ange weedy ela?

[silver smelt]

also you dont even have d18 yet on tw server

[vital kelp]

maybe i should ask fib he knows the relicless stuff-

i was skipping combat cuz i saw a vid on utube about how to fast grind is5 and thought to do it in is3 as well

[brazen gulch]

what's ooc stand for

[silver smelt]

out of control

[vital kelp]

out of control

[brazen gulch]

okaay might i ask what it means then

[robust thistle]

its an IS3 stage

[silver smelt]

its a particularly cancerous stage found in various IS
well mostly is3 and is6

[pine plover]

the IS3 version or IS6 recycled

[cursive maple]

infamous just like elusive merc and regular army

[brazen gulch]

i see thanks

[silver smelt]

feel like theres that one is5 stage that's worse
the one with the traffic cone dudes

[vital kelp]

i feel like manmade carnival is worse

[cursive maple]

rhine guardian?

[royal swan]

Ooc relicless isn't even at 4 ops yet iirc

[pine plover]

i miss the 4 rusthammer stage in IS1

[silver smelt]

ah yeah rhine guardians

[pine plover]

does IS6 have the trap event with sarkaz woman in it?

[silver smelt]

heavenly paradise is also pretty ass
But the expectation is that youre already stacked as hell on f6

[silver smelt]

which one is that

[unique summit]

were currently on 5 ops for ooc

were trying to get it down to 4, if we give up we'll release 5

[vital kelp]

thats 4 op too many

[silver smelt]

dont you just love bonethrowers?

[pine plover]

IS2 has one with hot vampire
IS3 i forgot
IS4 has one with hot nazcherrer
IS5 has i think with fortuna

[cursive maple]

is6 has seaborne one?

[unique summit]

is3 has the dancing sarkaz
the one full of chest

[nimble kite]

We have asian one.

[silver smelt]

i think theres an encounter where something about a statue or something for is6

is it the encounter square map with a bunch of dragons

[nimble kite]

Asana race or how's called the "Sarkaz from China".

[copper oracle]

❌

[robust thistle]

IS5 has one with qalaisa

[unique summit]

true......

[copper oracle]

5 ops is slop and trivial, kermit told me

[unique summit]

👊

one day i will convince bait to just do it...

[cyan chasm]

Where's Her Mark on the High ground? I use Mon3tr Skills and her Mark on High Ground Disappear

[slate ridge]

wide

[copper oracle]

maybe if u unstrech the picture ppl could help

[eager totem]

heloo guys why i dont see my appointed op
is it something related to support or what

[raven ermine]

Yes, you don't own them, so borrow them in support slot

[eager totem]

but how comethe other ones i also dont own them and i dont have to borrow

[raven ermine]

Are those the ones you get in the tech tree ?

[eager totem]

dont think so i think i got som from the random appointment

[cyan chasm]

Here's, Her Mark Should be on that High Ground

[raven ermine]

Who exactly ?

[eager totem]

nvm they most probably come from tech tree

[eager totem]

is passenger part of the tech tree i dont remember

[raven ermine]

Not the tech tree, but the first random 6* selection yes
That's why

[slate ridge]

the funi blue Rhodes Island icon

[cyan chasm]

I didn't have time to record the incident, so I used Mon3tr's skill just now. When her skill ran out, and the high ground where she returned disappeared, along with Mon3tr.

[edgy python]

Quick ask, how long does the resource in reclamation algorithm reset?

[nimble kite]

*IS4 has Qalaisa.

IS5 has Sankt-sussy.

[nimble kite]

One season. Or 20 days on clock.

Note that White Crystals doesn't regen in Main Map.

[odd sky]

so what happened after mon3tr skill ends

[edgy python]

So I cannot farm wood on the map I already gathered for 1 season? Ok

[nimble kite]

You should seek another map with it if you cleared all wood in this one.

[edgy python]

Noted I'm just started play RA

[edgy python]

Yea I just wondering why does the wood not regen

[cyan chasm]

She's gone, as is the place she was last, she's back to Redeployment

[odd sky]

i reread your msg just i think i got it, the outpost turns into a different tile after advanced detector on top of it

[slate ridge]

she dies
as she overrides Outpost existences into nothingness and the originium or detector overtakes the tile

[odd sky]

[nimble kite]

Dies from being homeless gato.

[cyan chasm]

I see...

[slow sun]

Use drill plan to complete any stage? How to finish this

[nimble kite]

Because crafted tiles both on RA or any kind of event works always weird.

[odd sky]

practice

[nimble kite]

There's white "Practice" button near "Start" when picking a stage.

[tepid thistle]

Is blaze alter useful without Yu or just useless in IS?

[nimble kite]

Even with Yu is very questionable.

Oh, in IS alright, actually, if you could RES shred for her.

Moveover, I know the Rosmontis combo with her Reborn triggering Pillar deploy.

Twice, both enter and exit the state.

[odd sky]

[nimble kite]

If you could arrange her maximum damage, she suddenly becomes very strong.

Big shame she needs too much for you to be really worth 6 Hope.

[tepid thistle]

Got her for free from temp 6 star voucher and used hope-less promotor

[nimble kite]

Use S2 if you want her to procc Burn.
S3 is whatever, use on enemies with zero RES to make it actually good.

[vital reef]

should i S2M3 or S3M3 Haruka ?

[raven ermine]

To proc anything with s2 you really have to block, depending on diff you won't be able to

[ancient current]

s2

s3 isn't worth your time

[echo venture]

that's not a proper answer. channel rule 3

[vital kelp]

id say useless in IS

use doesnt justify hope cost

[echo venture]

[vital kelp]

pls dont tell me thats also not a proper answer, thats what they asked

i also feel like drafting Yu in IS is too much of a luxury, if we purely talking about an IS context

[tepid thistle]

How about Ray?

[vital kelp]

in is or general?

[echo venture]

that's a much better answer

[tidal badger]

whos best overall support ave mucija member for sakiko?

[nimble kite]

Archetto in IS counts?

[vital kelp]

none of them have good supporting abilities, u mean for fever generation?

[vocal badger]

when is rmh5?

[vital kelp]

i supposed uika have inspiration and nyamu have attack buff, but neither are that noticeable ngl

[tepid thistle]

IS

[vital kelp]

i remember drafting her in IS4 and 5 myself but i cant say much about is6

id say shes at least decent? but im not the IS expert

[nimble kite]

Not open

[sweet blade]

who deserves this

[ancient current]

what are your options

[lethal sundial]

Guys what is leizi alter best skill?

[ancient current]

s2 generally

[nimble kite]

S2

[nimble kite]

Ethan and S2.

[sweet blade]

i barely use him

[vital kelp]

the only 4* u'll consider doing m3 is like ethan and myrtle but people are gonna kick my butt for saying this so

[raven ermine]

Then what are your options

[nimble kite]

Start use him often and go to IS6 to actually relay on him.

[lethal sundial]

Better nuke skill than 3?

[vital kelp]

generally yes, s3 require special terrains

[raven ermine]

S3 is somewhat reliant on the map

[nimble kite]

Better AOE and Final Damage than S3.

S3 wins only if balls can bounce back to enemy.

And you could arrange that.

[lethal sundial]

Like that one stage in babel?
With mostly high ground tiles

[robust thistle]

do you know how her s3 works

[vital kelp]

u want one tile enclosed space so it can bounce back and forth

if unsure just use s2

[odd sky]

should have at least a hallway to make it worth

don't need enclosed space

[lethal sundial]

Can you explain more about her s3

[raven ermine]

Did you check what the skill does ?

[vital kelp]

her s3 both attack and summon lightning balls that travels around ground tiles doing damage

they bounce when hitting a wall

for max damage u want the ball to keep bouncing back and force so its constantly damaging one enemy

[lethal sundial]

Yeah but i wouldnt ask here if i did understand it

[chrome prawn]

Is hoerderer good?

[vital kelp]

mid, dont try to obtain, can consider raising only if very into IS

[ancient current]

more specifically is5

don't remember any mention of hoe draft in any other IS

[scenic yoke]

I don't understand efficiency, how do I increase the efficiency to get max efficiency for each matric like the first level you play ?

[silver smelt]

you can cope him is6
as in you can make him work

[raven ermine]

Is there anything specific that you did not understand ? The answer above is most of what you need to know tbf

[chrome prawn]

Do i need to invest on him?

[silver smelt]

If you need to ask then no

[ancient current]

he needs high investment if you want to make him work
don't bother tbh

[nimble kite]

You build proper buildings which either does give proper materials or spawn enemies, which their kill gives a proper mats.

[urban sleet]

Sounds like you already picked him for pick3 and got him

[lethal sundial]

Mostly the currents thing
Iirc currents arent ball shaped so i was confused when i saw tiny balls appearing

[silver smelt]

oh my god why did you pull orienteering hoe 🥹

[urban sleet]

Think some ppl in #arknights shill hoe for gen content asw

[scenic yoke]

Ah maybe I should read the wiki for this

[urban sleet]

Cuz I did see one

[silver smelt]

its #arknights ...

[nimble kite]

You can watch KyostinV guide instead. He explains their work to make MAX at everything.

[raven ermine]

Basically when she hits an enemy, she's spawning 3 currents on top of it
They're all moving in different directions, one to the left, right, and forward
When they hit terrain, they change direction and can hit the enemy again, so you want to optimize the number of bounces you can get out of the skill

They also don't hit air but that's pretty minor

[tiny abyss]

Also bounces off of Leizi herself right

[scenic yoke]

Thank you

[rocky vapor]

do this banner carry pity over other banners?

[ancient current]

to other standard banners yes

shared pity guide in pins

[urban sleet]

Also why thorns2

[rocky vapor]

okay ty

[urban sleet]

Nvm pfp says why

[abstract mauve]

i never said that
i was sure you knew just thought that they didnt have to bother you to get the info they asked for

[coarse notch]

i think they might be a fan of thornsalt

[rocky vapor]

fell in love w thorns and started arknights soo

[coarse notch]

jury is still out on that tho

[slender temple]

Hopes you get lucky and pull him

Or should I say, unlucky? Idk

[ancient current]

anyways, drop the topic
moving on

[rocky vapor]

please i hope so

[rocky vapor]

lucky for me ig

[silver smelt]

come to think of it was there a thornstar rerun with his event rerun on cn

[raven ermine]

I would wait for the rerun if you're pulling mostly for thorns2 yeah

[urban sleet]

Before wang ijrc so uh

[silver smelt]

ye 1/3 is not good

[vital kelp]

i mean, id recommend 1/3 chance if the other 2/3 are goaded operators instead of random garbo from standard pool

[rocky vapor]

does my pity in the current banner carries over that banner though?

[raven ermine]

Yes, but it's pretty far away

[rocky vapor]

yeah i got mon3ter alrdy

[urban sleet]

Wtf why pick mon3tr thrn

[rocky vapor]

she's carrying me rn

[urban sleet]

Pots are meaningless for general content in case you didn't know

[raven ermine]

If you already have monster, definitely wait for the rerun instead

[rocky vapor]

do y'all know when it's gonna drop?

[vital kelp]

i think they mean they already pulled in the banner and got mon3tr

[vital kelp]

half a year from now take or give

[urban sleet]

[rocky vapor]

alr i'll just save then

[blazing marsh]

Who shall I choose

[raven ermine]

Top op debuff

[urban sleet]

Top op+debuff

[ancient current]

ig debuff works

even better if you already have ifrit

[blazing marsh]

Oke

[vital kelp]

... why?

[raven ermine]

Ifrit pots good
10 certs good

[ancient current]

gold certs >>>

[urban sleet]

Btw js saileach in recruitment pool (not asking for them)

[ancient current]

no

[neon siren]

Is executor alter good to pull on?

[blazing marsh]

Also got her should I use instead of matsukiri? Or worse than him

[vital kelp]

no

[ancient current]

saileach is not even in kernel iirc

[ancient current]

absolutely not, never pull on standard rotating banners

[raven ermine]

Don't pull on standard banner

[tiny abyss]

Saileach is kernel

[neon siren]

Okay thanks!

[ancient current]

matsu will work just fine

[slender temple]

Keep using Matsukiri imo

[ancient current]

oh damn i forgot then oops

[urban sleet]

You have spent enough time here to know not to pull on double stanard ratr-up

[neon siren]

Actually i have never known that lol

[urban sleet]

So kernel but not in recruitment

[vital kelp]

they been server for 2 month r u sure

[blazing marsh]

K

[tiny abyss]

She just got added months ago Iirc

[slender temple]

Who's the one in cert shop again, horn or Executor

[ancient current]

kernel doesn't imply recruitment
ops added to recruitment are way less frequent than kernel additions

[raven ermine]

Both kernel and standard are to be avoided
When you need a unit from there, shop is always way better value pulls wise

[urban sleet]

Pretty active in asking questions and stuff

[neon siren]

Okay 👍

[urban sleet]

Yeah ik was hoping if she was eyja/ange/kal and maybr a few more I am missing are notnij recruitment yet

[coarse notch]

kal is gonna be added to recruitment soon
angelina and eyja are still nowhere to be found

[blazing marsh]

Is ifrit only 6 star debuffer or it was like rng

[raven ermine]

"Yet"

[ancient current]

it is the only 6* op with this tag

[tiny abyss]

Ifirt is only Top Op + Debuff tag yes

[urban sleet]

"Yet" say that to ange wishers

[coarse notch]

180 certs and she is yours

[blazing marsh]

Oke should I use her?

[ancient current]

yep
cardigan/deepcolor/forgot

[ancient current]

what's your roster?

[cyan venture]

is it worth pulling on a new standard character? (like when tragodia came out) cuz yall are saying dont pull on standard

[bronze swallow]

should I go for it?

[raven ermine]

For both mod ? or lv3 ?

[tiny abyss]

Trag is Trag and was the solo rate up

[ancient current]

new ones sure, if they are worth it that is

[blazing marsh]

Well it depends per stage I will just send krooster link rq

[bronze swallow]

the new one

[raven ermine]

Oh it's maxed already mb, no skip

[slender temple]

Depends on who it is, if you're talking about Tragodia yeah he's definitely worth pulling

[bronze swallow]

wait really? why is it bad?

[cyan venture]

on the side note, does anyone know when an ines banner comes back

[raven ermine]

No it's not bad, but it's not good value either considering you already have mody
y is for damage, x is better for stalling

[blazing marsh]

https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/vika

[bronze swallow]

aight

[vital kelp]

continue investing in dorothy in current meta while you already have her around the max isnt the best idea for resources

[gilded token]

Guys is asbestos decent?

[vital kelp]

no

[slender temple]

She won't come in a stand-alone banner anymore, only standard ones that have 2 rate up 6* and these kind of banner aren't worth pulling for specific op

Tho buying her from cert shop is good, that'd be the most logical way to get her

[vital kelp]

i dont think shes coming back to yellow cert shop any time soon, EN had her already so its gonna be a long and unpredictable wait

[glad elm]

In terms of dps, Ray s3 or horns s1 both m3

[vital kelp]

neither are known for their dps but

ray s3 is 5436, horn s1 is 1008

[granite needle]

So i shouldnt M3 Ray’s S3?
Since dmg isnt that great

[nova nest]

There's a Mastery guide in pins

[robust thistle]

how did you get to that conclusion

[vital kelp]

...? what?

that is not what i said

[raven ermine]

Dps does not mean damage is not good

[blazing marsh]

@ancient current idk if you so so just pinged to be sure

[robust thistle]

ray has terrible dps because she reloads every shot, doesnt mean her damage isnt good because each shot hits like a truck

[glad elm]

Wait wtf r both known for? Oh fuck I forgot horns can invis reveal

[granite needle]

Makes sense

[robust thistle]

DPH

[vital kelp]

ray is more known for high DPH and good cycle instead of dps, horn s1 isnt known at all but its afk slop

[robust thistle]

well horn isnt known for dph too, shes just afk slop

[raven ermine]

Horn s1, nothing, just slightly high dph on an afk skill
And invis reveal ig

[robust thistle]

something something cant work with spinach

[vital kelp]

this is such a random comparison its funny ngl

[glad elm]

I forgot dps n dph is different 💀, but yeah I fw Ray more so horns is unemployed now

[raven ermine]

Horn is only an option if your roster is empty ngl

[nova nest]

Aside from Shu, Yu, Hoshiguma (ATO) and Saria, who'd you put above her? (in her class)

[raven ermine]

Well for starters, you don't want to block with horn, it's very bad for her damage and she loses the aoe

So she's competing with damage dealers instead of blockers

[vital kelp]

bro just listed half of the 6* defenders and the other half are at least 4 years old

but sure, id put mudrock and penance above horn in 6* defender ranking

[raven ermine]

And for damage dealers, it's easy to perform better than horn
She does not have a real niche either, so there's no angle to work with

Ig s2 can be hyperbuffed and deal a huge single instance dmg number

[vital kelp]

sankta and jessicat and nian are prob also better than her in 6* defender id say

[raven ermine]

But even then, we have operators filling that role better, like eben

[ancient current]

she isn't a priority, but if you like you can e1 her for now. not necessary considering you'll have eyja and hoshialt e2 as arts dps

[vital kelp]

surely we have better option for hyperbuffing bursts

[raven ermine]

For single instance ?

[blazing marsh]

Oke

[vital kelp]

depends on how fast u mean by instance ig we have lemuen, but thats kinda like longer than an instance

[raven ermine]

I might forget about someone but idt we do

Like a single tick of damage, is what i mean

[vital kelp]

we have chungus s1 too if u mean instance instance

[raven ermine]

Horn s2 hyperbuffed could bypass harold phase transition for example

[vital kelp]

i havent tested it but i assume chungus s1 is the same if horn s2 and eben works, the damage are all on one instance

chongus is 1200% scale(with his own +55% multiplier) and phys which scales better than eben i think

[weak cypress]

hey sorry to interrupt, is there any good sheets to see which level to farm for specifics materials ? i'm only finding outdated stuff (i believe)

[vital kelp]

actually eben has 5 instance of dmg and each are like 200% scale, and mystic kinda have higher base attack

[raven ermine]

Yeah chongyue is just less easy to use ig, but it should work the same

[vital kelp]

both in pin and u can go /material in #bot-spam

[weak cypress]

thanks!

[nova nest]

Not that there's an awesome spreadsheet by PeterYR, which you can find by looking up his youtube video on farming! (and probably somewhere in pins)

[robust thistle]

Guess who also contributed to the material command

[vital kelp]

if u check the second link in /material:

[grave bramble]

Where can i find the details of eyjalter 2nd module?

[vital kelp]

U can check prts and try to read it off Google Translate

[stone ore]

Which tags should I choose with Top Operator tag?

[vital kelp]

Debuff for ifrit

[signal dragon]

shift weedy, debuff ifrit

[raven ermine]

https://prts.wiki/w/纯烬艾雅法拉

[wraith shell]

Yo it took a while XD here's my krooster for who to raise next for base slave or get any welfares for base?

https://www.krooster.com/u/cloud3418

[vital kelp]

(Where

[odd sky]

#cn-lounge message

[vital kelp]

I’d do click gummy matsu

[raven ermine]

Raise your surtr for mod2
Outside of bryo, you don't need anything else currently, just get a quartz from cert shop and e1 her

[raven ermine]

Matsu is rr which is pretty eh
Gummy only good skill is 30%tp and she has it at e0

[vital kelp]

I mean for general not just base

I only see Myrtle used and a second vanguard could be nice on some stages

[raven ermine]

oh sure
I wouldn't bother with gummy tho, spot is e1'd for base already

[vital kelp]

And like this is the golden time to push someone into the depth of is isn’t it? Hence the gummy recommendation

[wraith shell]

Oh yeah they rec to raise matsu but i only have him at P1 cause i joined the game 1hr before his event ends is he still worth it to raise?

[vital kelp]

P1 is no pot not p0

[grave bramble]

Endfield getting people confused

[slate ridge]

youre just 3 dp behind
nothing much of a difference

[vital kelp]

I’d say he’s still nice, u have Myrtle already but second vanguard can be useful in stages

But yeah, everyone else seems to be raised p good

[wraith shell]

Is bryo welfare? Then this set up is fine til I get other units from pulling?

[clever plover]

is executor alter worth pulling for?

[ancient current]

don't pull on standard rotating banners

[raven ermine]

Yes bryophita is a welfare from so long adele
I didn't check if you missed base workers from recruitment, so keep an eye out for those just in case, if you get robot tag, there's castle3 but robots are pretty hard/rare to get

Also as i said above, grab quartz

[devout hazel]

is there somewhere i can find a beginner guide or something

[vital kelp]

pins

[nimble kite]

Should be Roadless Camelot.

[devout hazel]

appreciate it

[wraith shell]

Yeah still keeping my eye on those elusive robot tags aight thanks mate, bryo, surtr mod 2, matsu, quarts

[raven ermine]

Also /newtips in #bot-spam

[jolly ferry]

Hello, I want to ask a question, which operator should I E2? Specifically a 4-star

[vital kelp]

who do u have

[jolly ferry]

Lemme send some pics

[vital kelp]

try krooster.com instead of sending pictures, its a website that get all ur op data so u dont have to send a million images

[frigid stream]

9

[jolly ferry]

Sorry

[shadow bay]

too late mister...

[raven ermine]

Sort by rarity, and don't sort by class

[jolly ferry]

Oh, ok, but, I was thinking of E2ing Surfer

[vital kelp]

seems like ethan is the best choice? since u have higher rarity medics the healers are out of the question

ill pick between ethan and myrtle

[shadow bay]

should hav e sort it by rarity

also if 4 star, commonly u just raise ethan or something utility coz u wont raise more from 4 stars aside from utilities and slaves

[vital kelp]

surfer isnt a 4-star...? i confuse

[raven ermine]

I wouldn't recommend e2ing myrtle to a newbie

[signal dragon]

is this with a ticket?

[jolly ferry]

Ok

Yes

[shadow bay]

also i would focus my resources to saki and surtr.. seems like u have handful of e1 to work out a team to atleast grind their mats needed

[vital kelp]

what are the other choices? i wouldnt say ethan e2 is that important for newbie either tbf, but like theres only so little 4-star worth doing e2 on

[signal dragon]

that's quite a few E1, prio your sakiko then surtr for e2

[shadow bay]

ur slow suraj.. time to die

[raven ermine]

You could always keep it
Ethan has more value in the long run
Indigo/purestream have some too
If purely for progression purposes, humus is a decent choice as well imo

[neon inlet]

should I give logos his module? if yes, which one

[jolly ferry]

Btw, I'm an idiot and have few resources, so, I'm trying to use as little as much, I'm trying to not waste my materials on E2ing 4,5, and 6 stars

[shadow bay]

he want the D||elta||

[jolly ferry]

I'm relying on Rebuilding Mandate

[vital kelp]

delta

[neon inlet]

ok I will give him the D

[signal dragon]

is your base built?

[vital kelp]

what do u mean by relying?

[worldly estuary]

Ethan works better at further stages, when you unlock his module imo. But yeah, there’s no much more 4-star worth raising either

[signal dragon]

also a lot of 6*s need e2 for their skill 3 and are a lot more impactful then E1 ops

[jolly ferry]

Yes, I have 1 Max Factory, three level 2 factory, two level 2 factory, and all the others are level 2

And I have training grounds

[neon inlet]

module lv 3 for logos, all in? or lv 1 is fine?

[jolly ferry]

Has resources I need for E2ing some ops

[magic lion]

Is stage 3 module lemuen even worth to take?

[worldly estuary]

Event mats then

[vital kelp]

may i recoomend you to intergrated strategy? that thing is gonna require some patience and practice but has a ton of materials(higher rarity too)

[signal dragon]

mod 2 is enough

[magic lion]

Ok thanks!

[jolly ferry]

So, I have three choices: Ethan, Surfer, or Myrtle, got it, who should I choose? Cause I'm more of a Half-Half (Half Tactical fights, Half FRD style(

And IS? I'm an absolute moron and idiot for choosing the latest one, he Grotesque etc

[vital kelp]

surfer isnt a 4 star

[jolly ferry]

Oops, sorry, wrong op

Who should I choose?

[worldly estuary]

Myrtle works fine at E1, at least for me. It’s kinda a waste of resources to E2 her tho

[raven ermine]

Not myrtle, she's already e1 anyway

[jolly ferry]

Ok

[signal dragon]

Myrtle is fine at E1 level 1, Ethan benefits most from module and masteries but you won't be doing that until after your dps like sakiko is built

[worldly estuary]

You should keep that E2 ticket and focus on your dps (sakiko).
It’s not like you cant keep it

[raven ermine]

As said above, ethan > indigo-purestream > humus imo
Also you're very much not at the stage to rush e2s (refering to what you said about rm)
Build your baseslaves

[vital kelp]

e2 4 star ticket is kinda a slog any ways, most 4 star u use at e1 good enough and like ethan u use once in a lifetime or in IS with aspd boost

[jolly ferry]

So, in summary (sorry, I'm in stress from school, so I'm an addict in summary)

I should E2 Ethan instead, but after I unlock Sakiko's module?

[worldly estuary]

No, raising E2 sakiko

[pulsar falcon]

pardon me, typhon afk which module?

[vital kelp]

you can do them simultaneously since u have e2 ticket u said

if u dont have e2 ticket dont e2 any 4 stars

but yes, as mayu said, raise base slaves first

[jolly ferry]

Got it, wait, gtg, thanks

And what's base slaves?

[signal dragon]

#bot-spam /baseskillls

[jolly ferry]

Oh, ok, got it, bye, thanks a lot

[vital kelp]

these are your base workers with high efficiency so u can get more passive income, u can find them in the above place

[worldly estuary]

I only used him during story 11 stages because of the block count

[vital kelp]

um... i suppose Y is better for s2 since s2 for afk

but i wouldnt recommend doing her module

[boreal steeple]

Can i get gold certs for welfare characters from side stories? (unlocking them)

[raven ermine]

For first time recruitment yes

[signal dragon]

new ops always give 1 cert

[vital kelp]

did yato give one when we came out of tutorial? cuz if not hg owes me

[crystal flame]

Can anyone tell me where/how I can “Use a drill plan on any stage one time”? I’m brand new

[raven ermine]

That's practice mode

[crystal flame]

Ohhhh

[raven ermine]

Careful with pinboard missions, avoid upgrading your reception room/office

[sleek finch]

in case you ask
no, texas is bad, dont bother

[neon siren]

Hm

[vital kelp]

i waited 2 min for u to say something after that Hm

[neon siren]

Wait what?

[neon siren]

Oh damn u meant like that lol

[frigid stream]

you can't rush philosophers, hes pondering

[neon siren]

And ponder i will

[rain forge]

The ponderer

[neon siren]

That would actually sound good as an alter name for some old guy sm

Also, logos module gives necrosis rt?

What does necrosis do for me again?

[vital kelp]

Damage and decaying -50% attack

[neon siren]

But its only a 7 percent chance rt?

[raven ermine]

Mostly more damage for logos through his module effect

[coarse notch]

no

[neon siren]

Oh

[formal shadow]

7% of atk dealt

[neon siren]

In his mod its says sm

Yea it's 8

[coarse notch]

isnt it 8%

[neon siren]

Oh

[raven ermine]

You apply a % of your damage as elemental buildup
When you reach a certain treshold, you proc the elemental status, in this case, necrosis

[coarse notch]

deals an additional 8%
where does it say its an 8% chance

[raven ermine]

Logos module will make him deal additional damage to enemies under necrosis effect

[coarse notch]

they really need to reword that to necrosis injury

[raven ermine]

Classic HG descriptions L

[neon siren]

So every few hits you deal necrosis, oh alr that makes more sense now

Also schrodincat mb it's 8 percent

Oh okay

[vital kelp]

They need to change how they word healing and heal and regen first

[coarse notch]

every hit you deal necrosis buildup based on a % of your damage dealt
not every few hits

[neon siren]

Yea maybe, actually totally

[rain forge]

?

[neon siren]

Hmm alr

[coarse notch]

it used to be worse, it used to be elemental damage and elemental Damage
where one was buildup and one was payoff

[raven ermine]

Erm also slow and slow (mov speed reduction), etc
There's a lot wrong with our in game descriptions

[neon siren]

Ouch

[vital kelp]

Can’t blame en translation too cuz it’s cn’s fault

[neon siren]

I mis interpreted logos module

[vital kelp]

This is one of the weirder reaction I’ve seen but alright

[rain forge]

if it was an 8% chance to inflict necrosis then it would be a borderline useless module and we wouldn’t recommend it

[neon siren]

Oh yea that makes sense.

[raven ermine]

If it bypassed necro buildup it would be bonkers

[abstract mauve]

8% to inflict necrosis and 8% of dmg as necrosis is the same on paper

[neon siren]

Idk, I started using it randomly

[vital kelp]

… no? Tf u on about shileds 8% to insta necrosis is something else entirely

[raven ermine]

nuh uh, talent 1

[vital kelp]

[coarse notch]

in theory if you let him run long enough it should even out to be the same

[neon siren]

[abstract mauve]

ye that's what i meant

[coarse notch]

game might eos before then

[neon siren]

Alr thx. Me gonna dip to IS3

[abstract mauve]

it would even out in 2 minutes

[coarse notch]

did i stutter

[vital kelp]

Something something theory of probablility doesn’t apply irl

[abstract mauve]

[median fable]

the fact is that it does

[vital kelp]

Did I just say probab lility

[rain forge]

how important is mon3 boat jumping in is5 ed4 btw

[median fable]

it's like saying 1+1 works in math theory but in practice it doesn't

[coarse notch]

its not required but it frees up your hand a lot

[raven ermine]

Only if you didn't draft a solve for p2 already

[boreal steeple]

Then you did math wrong ofc

[rain forge]

I see

[coarse notch]

its also a lot easier than it seems provided you're on an emulator

[vital kelp]

If it actually was 8% chance to apply necrosis logos would both be a whole lot more annoying to play and a lot better in cc/harder content that allows redo

So they aren’t the same

I thought we aren’t allowed to men preg any more

[median fable]

you are the exception

[vital kelp]

I’m gonna ping a mod and find out if I am really that special-

[south steppe]

Are there any units that can help boost attack speed other than M3? I'm looking for a support for Sakiko

[vital kelp]

Aak, but he’s not good

The only good aspd buffer is m3

[median fable]

no one is disagreeing with this btw

[coarse notch]

exu2 buffs her atkspd by a whopping -70
realistically the only noticeable buffs are aak shu and mon3tr

[median fable]

rng operators are barely used in CC max risk exactly for that reason

[south steppe]

Hmm... That's kinda sad since I don't have both M3 and Aak

[boreal steeple]

Chilchuck ril

[median fable]

you know that the rng seed is saved?

[vital kelp]

… wym barely used? We see a lot of dodge chance gambles in past ccs

[raven ermine]

Use tomimi when you have this kind of question, it's really handy
Do note that most of those are conditional, so check before using

[median fable]

there are barely things that are not saved there, probably a couple of exceptions like Wisadel afterimage targeting

[south steppe]

Oh thank you, where is this from?

[coarse notch]

tomimi.dev

[raven ermine]

https://tomimi.dev/en/recruit

[median fable]

they fall in the "barely" category, I didn't say they aren't used at all

[raven ermine]

And it's an absolute chore to play around

[raven junco]

Oh shit i opened help channel by mistake, sorry

[south steppe]

Thanks

[grand kernel]

who should i e2 first?

[formal shadow]

zuo

[boreal steeple]

What about other ops? Zuo le is good

[median fable]

if not newbie mon3tr and than zuo le
if newbie I'd do Zuo Le first

for this type of question it would be better to share your roster, use krooster.com for that

[grand kernel]

how?

[raven ermine]

Newbies using zuo, what could go wrong
Surely not a gravel incident again

[vital kelp]

we had chilchuck and leizi2 with rng the past 2 cc, then for the one before that there’s eyja sp gamble, cc12 had chalter bullet saves gamble

[median fable]

https://www.krooster.com/data/import
follow instructions

[vital kelp]

Fa actually which clear was even the one with eyja in it? Was it lower op or was it first? It’s a bit ago

[median fable]

thx for proving my point

[vital kelp]

… u said barely used in max risk cc…?

[dusk cobalt]

anyone worth getting here?

[median fable]

yeah, they are barely used as you also just said

[raven ermine]

Would go for top melee specialist for weedy

[urban sleet]

Medic for nightingale gamble
Support for suzu and nightingale gamble
Specialist for weedy gamble (phantom if you like IS)

Me personally favours specialist gamble

[grand kernel]

https://www.krooster.com/u/clear-chestnut-crane-4938

is this it?

[median fable]

same for Weedy, it's a 1/2 chance but it's the best I'd aim for

[lime grove]

was it both s1 and s3 to m3 on logos?

[dusk cobalt]

even for pots?

[raven ermine]

it's a 1/2 but phantom is not the worse hit
Else you have top op medic, 1/2 for ng, but shining is garbo

[coarse notch]

just s3 is fine, s1 is only for afk but with pramalter coming soon id honestly just hold off on that

[dusk cobalt]

hmmm okok

how is phantom used in is anyway?

[raven ermine]

Not much ngl

[median fable]

next time use a recruit calcs and tell us who you already own among the choices
you can't expect us to read your mind

[dusk cobalt]

yeah thats mb sorry

[tepid thistle]

Is radian summons take up no deployment slots bugged?

[coarse notch]

he kinda isnt
his mod makes him function fine if you want to use him but hes far from optimal

[median fable]

gamble for support is also a choice if you lack mostima, NG and suzuran and if the other operators are already owned

[coarse notch]

are you on the right floor

[nimble kite]

No, you just cannot read the effect properly. Reread it carefully.

[formal shadow]

it kicks in at later floors if you're expecting it @ f1 then you're reading it wrong

[vital kelp]

He has is mod but it’s like still not make him high prio spec cuz that is just too comp

Also kinda last nails on the coffin

[sharp elbow]

Does Thorns2 need a module?

[tepid thistle]

Ok

[sleek finch]

in short, phantom IS mod is a cope

[median fable]

lv1 should be enough for him

[dusk cobalt]

damn alright lmao

[formal shadow]

we have a phantom IS mod. its called tragodia

[coarse notch]

also fun fact if you pause deploy raidian summon with her it'll delete that deployment slot for the rest of the stage

[raven ermine]

Weedy pots are decent tho
Else you got told about a few options, so take your pick from there

[tepid thistle]

Which floor does it kick in?I had her promoted on F2 and it did not kick in.

[urban sleet]

F4

[nimble kite]

F4.

[grand kernel]

@median fable should i still e2 zuo le or nah?

[coarse notch]

the effects list in that proficiency are sequentially added by floor

[dusk cobalt]

mulling over it rn

[formal shadow]

third floor after acquisition

[dusk cobalt]

imagine i gamba the entire top op roster and get archetto

[coarse notch]

id still do zuole

[nimble kite]

DP discount on start.
+2 summons simultaneously on the field on F2.
+ASPD on F3.
And no DeployLimit waste on F4.

[raven ermine]

Imagine going for a 1/31

[grand kernel]

ty

[coarse notch]

96.8% of gamblers quit before hitting that 3.2% chance

[vital kelp]

…. Where did that number come from

[coarse notch]

30/31 and 1/31

[urban sleet]

My ass

[spare jetty]

gross

[coarse tide]

If u win first try its 100%🗣️

[split sphinx]

that's more like a 50/50

[glass panther]

Tf there's a sequence I need to do? For a secret ending?

[vital kelp]

If 1/33 is 3.3 then how can 1/31 be smaller than 3.3

[spare jetty]

also one in ch14

[split sphinx]

#bot-spam /hiddenending or something

[nimble kite]

There's more secret endings, not just JT8-3.

[coarse notch]

i rounded 30/31 up because i just pulled an allnighter

[nimble kite]

R8-11, M8-6, and M8-8 you lack.

[coarse notch]

do /hiddenstages in #bot-spam

[glass panther]

I think m8-8 is the thing I only need to do

[nimble kite]

We all already do.

[nimble kite]

||Just leak Mephisto and win, yeah||

[reef zinc]

Is Projekt Red better then Gravel?

[spare jetty]

worse

[reef zinc]

Ok

[raven ermine]

project red is damage, but she does not have any
Gravel is bait, and she does it very well

[reef zinc]

Is there any other fast redeployment character that is better then Gravel?

[raven ermine]

For what she's intended to do, no

For damage, yes, but they mostly are unavailable to new players

[reef zinc]

Kk thx

[nimble kite]

Like if you lack Gravel, you might use Yato 2☆ for a while.

[neon siren]

.

[nimble kite]

Doing same thing, but 35 second redeploy.

[glass panther]

Ykw n m it might be against smthn

[nimble kite]

Yep, you just let him enter you, @glass panther

-# I shouldn't say like that indeed.

[spare jetty]

-# it heard so weird

[urban sleet]

-# damn

[neon siren]

How tf do u type like that

[nimble kite]

-# text

[urban sleet]

-# ever considered copying that msg and pasting it on your text box

[neon siren]

-# oh

[reef sparrow]

-# hello

[nimble kite]

Moving on btw

[neon siren]

-# mwahahah

[tiny abyss]

Higuts what doez Eyja2 new mod do

[brazen gulch]

If i want the robot, can i just set recruitment time to 3:50? Or would i be trolling by trying to get a robot without the Robot tag

[nimble kite]

Does it gets released?

[urban sleet]

Under 3 hrs

[raven ermine]

It's on PRTS yeah

[reef sparrow]

so about this, do I just craft glowsticks and wait for calculation day then load back before crafting?

[tiny abyss]

Idk I just saw that she's getting new mod, dk if its released or not

[nimble kite]

Oh, lemme look at that then.

[reef sparrow]

I don't want to fuck this up with my dumbass brain

[grave bramble]

I'm legit wondering where you get that 3.3 from?

[wild cedar]

Probably won’t give you the robot, since you can still recruit 4 stars at 3:50

[brazen gulch]

Is there some math behind this or? Because the interface shows that 1*s are a possibility at 3:50

Ah. To avoid 4*s. Got it

[tiny abyss]

If you have robot tag then 3:50 gurantees it wont drop Iirc

[nimble kite]

Eyja the Hvít Aska

+60 ATK
Trait Upgrade: Recovers ally HP; Recovers Elemental Impairment equal to 50% of ATK (can recover element damage of ally units with full HP); When there are allies with Elemental Impairment within Attack Range, Attack Speed +8
Talent Upgrade: Normal healing grants a healing effect to the target for 8 seconds, recovering 13% HP and Elemental Damage every second (stacks up to 3 times)

[urban sleet]

Its nuker

[wild cedar]

I mean it won’t avoid

[brazen gulch]

i went to toggle the timer right as you said this and actually yeah. agh what am i doing

[grave bramble]

Does it still make her below haruka in hps?

[raven ermine]

ngl the eyja mod won't change much

It's very expensive for not much gains
And the aspd is conditional
Makes her a better wandering medic, not a much better healer

[neon siren]

Wait what happened to RA chat?

[split sphinx]

improve eyja2 elemental healing?

[abstract mauve]

eyja now has 2 bad mods instead of just 1

[brazen gulch]

#reclamation-algorithm-hub still here?

[neon siren]

Oh, i couldn't find it for some reason, when i tried to type it in

[tiny abyss]

Does s3 gain that aspd bonus

[raven ermine]

Yes no reason it wouldn't

[wild cedar]

The 3:50 is to avoid robot tag drop, if you don’t have the robot tag then you’re facing both possibilities of tagdrop and getting a four star so the gamble is just bad
I think this is how this works

[grave bramble]

Do people still do 7:40 after they removed the lmd cost?

[raven ermine]

Only if tagless

[reef sparrow]

muscle memory

[grave bramble]

Does it change anything to make it 7:40 instead of 9:00?

[raven ermine]

No