help

[robust thistle]

How do you get constant fodders

Her regular summons are squishy as fuck and her big summon cant scale

[formal shadow]

logos should be able to deal with one half the area and ng should be able to handle the other half

[robust thistle]

Thats just a dead if somehow your healing isnt enough with 4 healers, borrow a shu

[silver smelt]

Is this H8-4? you have logos and nightingale

[robust thistle]

Why is haruka on S3 again

[silver smelt]

Those 2 solve the stage by themselves

[robust thistle]

The burn is true damage, her S3 does jack shit

[honest plinth]

forgot to change

[silver smelt]

dam i alwasy thought it was arts

[honest plinth]

that's the only reason I had saria...

[robust thistle]

Whats killing you, the civs or your ops dying

[formal shadow]

the fireball damage is arts, the burn is true damage :ya:

[honest plinth]

civs, well I do lose half of ops

[robust thistle]

You redeploy your ops so they dont get targeted

Your ops shouldnt die under haruka and NG, unless your deployment is pepeg and youre stacking ops next to each other

[formal shadow]

I think I did frd rotate in h8-4

[honest plinth]

I was stacking healers on the back so civs 100% won't die all that time, and other ops had 0 heal

[coarse notch]

you cant heal civs..?

[robust thistle]

You know you can arrange your ops to cover the whole lane without having to make a row of medics right

[silver smelt]

guysthey have ng
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bz421m7oT/

[urban sleet]

civs can't be healed outside of passive heal like perfumer talent/bard

[proven kelp]

You can't get them

[honest plinth]

no like, being walls

[formal shadow]

you don't need to put them in the back, you just have to make a line in front of the civs :dies:

[coarse notch]

they're not dying to deathless inferno, they're dying to talulah igniting them

[robust thistle]

You know by dropping your ops in front of them, the burn can spread to the civs right

[formal shadow]

🥀

[honest plinth]

wait what

[coarse notch]

and you need a gap because every 38 seconds talulah explodes any operator with burn on them and spreads the burn to anything it hits

[robust thistle]

Me when I dont read enemy info

[urban sleet]

EN strikes again

[formal shadow]

Detonates Burning Breath on all currently afflicted targets, removing Burning Breath and dealing 100% ATK Arts damage to the primary target and friendly units in the adjacent 4 tiles, and inflicting Burning Breath on the secondary targets.

[honest plinth]

I may have found the source of the problem civs dying

[pine plover]

Burning Breath inflicted by the Deathless Black Snake deals 50 True damage on the first tick which increases by 6 on every subsequent tick, up to 230, and lasts for ~30 seconds. Can be resisted like Stun, Freeze, etc.

[silver smelt]

really

[formal shadow]

I forgor it counts as negative status, how broken is pepe s1 :clueless:

[undone portal]

how broken is lumen

[pine plover]

another stuff that count as negative status but isnt listed, -1 block from enemies like agent and volsini beer truck, and monsoon weather, lumen wasted his s3 ammo on this

[lone valley]

How broken is lessing :noway:

[silver smelt]

can lumen actually clenase the burn kek

[formal shadow]

ah yeah monsoon is a funny one

yeah he wastes his ammo cleansing burn

[south fog]

Guys figurino is a good operator?

[vital kelp]

no

[formal shadow]

more like my consideration for worst 5* in the game :roswao:

dp eating merchant archetype with -25 dp to use skill

[buoyant sigil]

Do we have any resources for when certain operators are gonna be in cert shop
Either confirmed (on cn(?)) or estimations based on patterns

[formal shadow]

there's no good pattern, yostar does whatever they want

[buoyant sigil]

Do we have any information on which ones were on CN for the past few months though? And does global cert shop match cn shop

[pine plover]

to begin with, standard rotation never follow CN schedule since release

[buoyant sigil]

[pine plover]

you can even check prts.wiki since it has banner history for all 3 servers

[formal shadow]

best you'll get is they debut a gold cert op around 2 years after their release (though yostar can move the when around)

[buoyant sigil]

So basically if I have any operators I’d like it’s basically offbanner cope or something?

[uncut fox]

What's this Rebuilding Mandate thing? Is it RA?

[pine plover]

CN : official and bilibili
Global : EN, KR, JP
TW : TW

[formal shadow]

not quite, basically it's its own gamemode

[pine plover]

do you know loop hero?

[hoary ruin]

It doesn't match CN.

That's why we can't predict it. All we can say is normally OPs end up in the shop after they've been out for a year. But not exactly.

I don't know if there's been any that have appeared before a year but I know some have taken longer than a year from what people have said in here.

[urban sleet]

https://youtu.be/tDqLDLwweVw?si=XoDsBe7N4y49Pq9w

[uncut fox]

Not some kind of AFK shitty game right?

[pine plover]

[hoary ruin]

Wasn't there some OP that took like 2 years to appear in the shop?

[urban sleet]

2 years since debut is the norm

[summer barn]

i like thorns but since i have sakiko already should i go for ray instead of thorns alter?

[buoyant sigil]

And the chance for someone that’s already gotten said one-year-after-release instance being on cert shop again is really low I’m assuming?

[pine plover]

more like non existence
it's always 2 years

[runic cipher]

different type of thorns, comparing having sakiko with thorn alter is just

[lyric lagoon]

thorns alter doesn’t even do the same thing as thorns, nor is he even that good

[buoyant sigil]

that is
sad

[uncut fox]

Actually looks pretty fun...

[alpine lance]

Is Elysium's module any good. I've been ignoring it for the longest time.

[hoary ruin]

I asked about When Mylinar would appear in the shop next (since he was just in the shop a few months ago) and the answer I got was like "it would take at least 6 months for him to show up again. Maybe.".

[buoyant sigil]

[runic cipher]

the only module good for flag bearer is bagpipe jk

[lyric lagoon]

generally useless

[buoyant sigil]

Yeah I’m definitely just stuck with offbanner cope

[alpine lance]

back to ignoring I guess. Ty guys (the module not the operator)

[urban sleet]

Operators debut in gold cert shop around 2ish years after debut banner
That's the only hint you get

[reef sparrow]

or just pay for HH selector

[uncut fox]

Do any of the Ave Mujica 5 stars modules stand out?

[lyric lagoon]

30$ standard selector up to mon3tr release during sash2

[pine plover]

operator debut, 1 year later their banner get rerun if applicable (not mainstory, not story collection, not collab), 2 years later they appear in gold cert shop

[glad raptor]

Ive been wondering, if somehow my pull gonna be so bad, wich one is better like genneral use, prama2 or salter

[urban sleet]

Sa2 is good for content beyong general content
Pram2 is good for general
So pram2

Not to say they can't be used in the other type of content but that's where they really shine

[hoary ruin]

Of the two Pram2 way more straightforward to use.

[lyric lagoon]

either way if you get both, then just use both

[glad raptor]

With my luck? Yeah lets stole someone luck first

[jolly seal]

civs cant be healed, i tried with ce s3

[uncut fox]

Has the event been announced?

[pine plover]

Civilight Eterna S3 is HP redistribution

[lyric lagoon]

we just have info from cn release, no official date for global yet

[jolly seal]

its also healing

[hoary ruin]

For SA2? Nope. But it should happen at some point in April or May, since that's normally when Global has this type of limited banner.

[reef sparrow]

if there's anyone I would get mod, it's gonna be umiri, but seriously, don't

[pine plover]

tbh, the 5stars bandmates gain from module is rather terrible

[jolly seal]

range expands, increase bard heal to 90% of atk

[undone portal]

umiri mod3 is a nice boost if you really want to, but if youre not a big avemujica fan i wouldnt bother with any beyond sakiko mod3

[lyric lagoon]

chud regular civs vs chad ursus civs

[jolly seal]

why are we lying

[lyric lagoon]

chapter 16:

[uncut fox]

How about masteries for the 5 star band members?

[buoyant sigil]

So, in general, I’m not the most responsible person. Because of this, I don’t think I really know; through my questions, I’ve gotten some wildly different values.
Before setting off to pull in any banner, around how many pulls should I have saved?

[coarse notch]

depends on the banner

[urban sleet]

60ish minimum, for orienteering check pins

[buoyant sigil]

For now, the limited one with sash2/pram2

[pine plover]

300

[buoyant sigil]

But general advice is also good to have yes

[lyric lagoon]

absolute minimum 60, if you wanna be safe and want both sash2 and pram then 150

[buoyant sigil]

Is that pity or something?

[coarse notch]

you can enter with 30 pulls minimum
ideally 150+

[lyric lagoon]

and then ofc 300 if you have the worst dogshit poopoo luck in existence

[lyric lagoon]

no, it’s just a safe amount of pulls to have

[buoyant sigil]

So generally about 60 minimum works for the usual banner

[sharp quarry]

just came back after 4 years and i cant seem to find my account?
im on a new phone which has never had arknights installed
am i cooked?

[coarse notch]

#tech-support

[reef sparrow]

can be both m1 for umiri, don't touch mutsumi if for fever gen purposes, and maybe uika s2 would be good m3 for cycle

[buoyant sigil]

I’ve heard 300 is this thing called “sparking”. Is it choosing a featured op after that amount of pulls? That’s about what I’ve gotten from what I’ve heard but unsure really

[lyric lagoon]

ideally just don’t m3 them since they’re placeholders, unless you wanna play bandknights for some reason

[buoyant sigil]

Again I’m “not the most responsible” with my pulls at the very least so I never looked into how it actually works

[hoary ruin]

On average you'll get a 6* op every 35 pulls or so (or not RNG is evil sometimes). So 150/35 = around four 6 star ops.

Every 6 star you get has a 50% chance to be SA2 or Pram 2. So if you have 150 pulls that gives you about 4 chances to get both of them.

[buoyant sigil]

Ohhhh

[lyric lagoon]

you get one spark currency every pull -> 300 pulls = 300 spark and there are limited operators in the pool from the past as well as the current featured 6s and 5s

all 6*s in that shop cost 300 spark currency unless they’re old asf

[uncut fox]

What do you mean by placeholders?

[buoyant sigil]

Interesting interesting
And it’s never shared between banners I’m assuming?

[lyric lagoon]

they’re there to be used until you find better operators

[hoary ruin]

Limited and collab banners do not share pity with standard banners.

[lyric lagoon]

all unused spark currency gets converted into another currency you can use to buy materials with

[buoyant sigil]

Does that mean standard banners do share between eachother? And by “standard” does it count reruns or just the usually worthless kernel

[sly compass]

I'm looking for a second sniper. I'd love a long range one, but I'll settle for a 3x4 one. Any suggestions of the 7 I have access to to level up? Rangers damage just too low for stage 9 and beyond. Also if there are welfare options I don't have I'm interested.

[pine plover]

the other kroos

yes you can use both in same squad

[sly compass]

in an unexpected twist. I knew this part! yay me

[random kestrel]

5* ones are good to built yeah

[sly compass]

So Kroos2 and then if I need a 3rd Grey?

[reef sparrow]

grey won't be your regular sniper tho

[buoyant sigil]

The evil 40% slow wasn’t it

[uncut fox]

I see, I suppose the current meta 6 stars are obviously stronger, but having Sakiko be able to hit everything on the map just looks so fun...

[odd sky]

greyy alter is flinger means he only hit ground enemies

[reef sparrow]

tbh if u just want range extension, most of the time umiri is enough

[hoary ruin]

Kernal has it's own pity yeah. Standard technically has two pities but I don't trust myself to explain that properly. Roadless Camelot has a section that explains the banners and pity mechanics.

The TL;DR is that you do not want to do a few pulls here and there though. Save up as many pulls as possible and then when there's a good banner (Global AK has foresight thanks to being 6 months behind CN) go all in, but stop when you get one or both rate-up characters.

[buoyant sigil]

Nice to know. Thanks! Helps a lot. For any further questions, I should be able to know via the roadless camelot section I missed even with actively searching for it multiple times (how did I not see it-)

[buoyant sigil]

yeah sorry for the bore of questions that probably could have been answered via docs

[rapid oasis]

Should I just skip this level?

Sure ig

[random kestrel]

sure if you dont want to build amiya

[jolly seal]

if dont wanna build her yea

one of 2 stages that is char lock

the other being 14-20

[uncut fox]

Can he not borrow a friend's Amiya?

[jolly seal]

nope, game forces u to get her e2 for class conversion

[frosty verge]

What stage is that

[uncut fox]

Dev's way of saying "Don't neglect your heroine/daughter dammit!" I guess

[frosty verge]

Lucky I didnt neglect her

[plain hemlock]

I wish they made her actually good or buffed her over time

[hoary ruin]

Me too. Her skins are so nice. : /

[jolly seal]

jt8-3

[frosty verge]

Does converting her class permanently changes it?

[jolly seal]

no

[plain hemlock]

You can change whenever you want

[frosty verge]

Jt8-3?

[jolly seal]

u can switch it wheneven u like

[hoary ruin]

There's a button on her OP sheet where you can change it back and forth as much as you want.

[frosty verge]

I thought thats jt8-2, since they still has that

[jolly seal]

the last stage of reunion arc

[idle hound]

is it normal for the last part to be blue ? since its morale consumed instead of morale recovery

[uncut fox]

They're probably saving the 6 star Amiya for nearer the end of the game.

[frosty verge]

Dont jt8-2 is the first one that has that req

[tiny abyss]

jt8-2 is the one yes

[jolly seal]

k

[frosty verge]

Im stuck at jt8-3 💔

The burn is burning my sanity aswell, in real life.

[jolly seal]

haruka, logos, m3 s2

eyja2

[plain hemlock]

I hope so, I'd pull her in a heartbeat (pls be free tho)

[hoary ruin]

Yeah....that one's nasty. Of all the story stages I've done so far, that one took me the most attempts.

NG S3 can cover the nonsense the boss throws around during phase change at least.

[jolly seal]

the first time i did jt8-3 was without bait(cuz i didnt read passive) or nightingale 😭😭

[frosty verge]

Of all of the story stages? How far are you rn?

[hoary ruin]

start of chapter 11. I quit in Y1, returned a month or two ago, so I'm not that far.

[jolly seal]

took me some several hr to do it

[frosty verge]

Well, I did get into her second phase. Yet i dont know if i lack healer or my defensive ops are just that bad

[jolly seal]

used suthr as boss killer

[coarse notch]

you're gonna have a lot of fun with h8-4 and h12-4

[frosty verge]

Erm... whats that

[hoary ruin]

lol, I ain't doing those. The 3 or 4 OP isn't worth suffering thru a harder version of that boss

[coarse notch]

think jt8-3 but with civilians

[jolly seal]

i just did h8-4 like half an hr ago cuz i neglected it

[undone portal]

misleading +, sakiko consumes less morale with uika stationed

[frosty verge]

Yeah, no. Im NEVER doing that.

[idle hound]

curious, how good is the ave mujica members on CC

[coarse notch]

but yea, try to borrow a ng/logos/haruka/shu

[undone portal]

3rd best cc team for those without knight/sui teams

[jolly seal]

m3 is okey too

[frosty verge]

Err, ng?

[idle hound]

knight as in the pinus knight ?

[jolly seal]

nightintale

[undone portal]

yes, pinus in factories + mlynar/flametail/viviana in cc

[idle hound]

i see

[frosty verge]

Ah, i see

[jolly seal]

s3 gives like shit ton of res to block fireballs

[eager hull]

what support should I use to clear go-ex-8?
everyone keeps dying to phase 2 of the boss

[odd sky]

*+sona

[frosty verge]

I probably could beat it, in the next few tries, since i mostly died during that (fireballs)

But, thank you for the tips

[eager hull]

wha

[jolly seal]

fireballs are bad without any burst heal 😭

[frosty verge]

Fireballs do arts damage?

[jolly seal]

yea, flame does true

[frosty verge]

Oh.. i know about the flame one. But i thought fireball does true aswell

[jolly seal]

the only solution to flame is to clease it or outheal it

[raven ermine]

Do you mean the burn damage ?

[hoary ruin]

She'll throw it at whoever's most recently deployed, so you can also juggle it with Gravel and another fast redeploy op by retreating them as soon as she hits them with the dot.

It's kinda annoying to do tho.

[frosty verge]

I use pretty much meatbags

[undone portal]

the flames talulah applies onto your ops
as opposed to the fireballs she sends across the screen

[frosty verge]

Sacrifice is necessary.

[raven ermine]

Oh yeah talulah, i didn't backread, mb

[frosty verge]

Yeah that

[undone portal]

haruka lets you facetank everything talulah throws at you tbh

[jolly seal]

unless u have haruka s2 active u have to sack

[frosty verge]

But i learned the timing well for the flame

[hoary ruin]

I cleared that stage before Haruka released sadly ><

[frosty verge]

Most of the problem for now lies on the balls of fires

[jolly seal]

Ng, logos, haruka,m3, or even civilight eterna are solutions

[undone portal]

logos/ng/civ.eterna all have really long cycles though so you need to hold off on killing talulah phase2 too fast

[hoary ruin]

The guide I followed has you setup tanky ops in front of your other OPs, so only they get hit. Then you use NG S3 and another burst healer to heal through it.

[frosty verge]

[hoary ruin]

If you're using Nightengale you have to hold her skill SPECIFICALLY for the phase change.

[frosty verge]

I can tell. Im not that stupid

[jolly seal]

she has 100+ sp s3 if im not wrong

[lyric lagoon]

pretty sure haruka can’t outheal h8-4 talulah fireballs unless s3

[frosty verge]

H8-4?

[hoary ruin]

I'm just making a point to emphasize that because it takes ages to charge so you'll only be able to use it once.

[jolly seal]

the harder jt8-3

[undone portal]

yea she needs help on h8-4. jt8-3 is easy depending on who shes healing

[frosty verge]

How many fireball phases are there

[lyric lagoon]

two, once at every talulah takedown

[jolly seal]

2

[frosty verge]

Turning from p1 to p2 and p2 death?

[hoary ruin]

Is this in the normal boss or the hard version?

[jolly seal]

both

[lyric lagoon]

both

[jolly seal]

h8-4 just has higher stat

[hoary ruin]

I uh...did not remember there being a 2nd set of fireballs >.>

[lyric lagoon]

h8-4 is just harder cause you have to babysit civilians while she deals higher fireball dmg

[frosty verge]

Im gonna have a stroke doing ts 💔 and im not doing H8-4

[severe crypt]

H8-4 just requires suitable bodies for all lanes that civvies are in

[lyric lagoon]

or just satoru logos

[frosty verge]

Is logos that good?

[severe crypt]

S3 deletes the fireballs after skill ends

[undone portal]

logos s3 slows enemy projectiles and deletes them at the end

[jolly seal]

he slows fireballs with timing u can delete them

[lyric lagoon]

only problem is you still need to block one lane

[frosty verge]

Actual Gojo's infinity 💔

[jolly seal]

just pulled haruka, ce,m3, n logos for it

[jolly seal]

95% slow

[lyric lagoon]

he gets deleted if you mistime skill activation and the fireballs reach him before skill end though

[undone portal]

nothing on mostimas 99% slow
-# terms and conditions apply

[frosty verge]

Is logos limited op?

[jolly seal]

slow cant effectively pass 95%

[hoary ruin]

Nope. he's a standard OP, and one of the choices on tomorrow's Orienteering banner.

[frosty verge]

When is tomorrow?

[undone portal]

it can, theres just a lower limit of 0.1tiles/s

[raven ermine]

Isn't the rule about slow that you can't go slower than a certain tile/s ?

[lyric lagoon]

pins

[jolly seal]

0.05 tilesPerSecs

[raven ermine]

Ah yeah that, you can't go lower than 95% for normal speed enemies

[jolly seal]

its the slowest u can go

[hoary ruin]

The banner'll be up when Maintenance ends. For me it's tomorrow morning. You can see timestamps here: #help message

[frosty verge]

Oh like actually actually tomorrow

[jolly seal]

just like aspd cant go pass 20 if im not wrong

[frosty verge]

Luckily i saved a lot of Orunbum since i got sakiko in my first ten with that free pull...

[jolly seal]

or 600 as max

[raven ermine]

iirc there's a cap on the aspd too yes
Both upper and lower

[undone portal]

upper cap is 600, or +500 accounting for the 100 default
idr lower cap

[jolly seal]

i think it was 20

[raven ermine]

According to the wiki, it's indeed 20

[jolly seal]

i rember correcly

[valid violet]

how much does ceobe's talent % increase with modx3? 5% per hit?

[sly compass]

Looking for a 2nd tank because while I love noir Corne, I feel like them not having a "stop taking dmg right now" button is failing me late stage 9. Suggestions? I have these + gravel. Low level challenge videos seem to like both Cuora and Beagle

[jolly seal]

cuora

[silver smelt]

Cuora

[sly compass]

ok tyty friends ❤️

[jolly seal]

best 4* tank in terms of tanking

[silver smelt]

muh arts

[raven ermine]

It's 10 more % flat, and an increase up to 75% total on subsequent hits on the same enemy
You absolutely do want modx3 if you're raising ceobe

[valid violet]

o so it only takes 3 hits to max the bonus?

[raven ermine]

it's +0.05 per hit if i'm not mistaken

[valid violet]

ty

[uncut fox]

Did Hool's module finally fix her?

[raven ermine]

Nope still trash

[severe crypt]

Still worst standard banner op

[uncut fox]

[lyric lagoon]

just send her to kernel already, end her misery

[median fable]

she's not even been shifted to kernel in the CN update

[rocky pilot]

Since when is she with misery and why are we killing him

[astral thorn]

On tomorrow's banner do we select who the rate ups are from a small list

[random shard]

Do movements from standard to kernal follow age or performance

[silver smelt]

hg's mood

[ancient current]

age, performance doesnt matter
but performance often scales with age anyway

[random shard]

Right. I just didn't know where hool came age wise

[ancient current]

with mumu, so that was what, 2 years ago? or something

a bit more

wait, way more

we got lonetrail rr a little while ago yeah

[tiny abyss]

2023/11

[raven ermine]

👴🏻

[median fable]

https://akgcc.github.io/shoplist/
sort by release and you got it
or just use tomimi I guess but I find this one more readable

[ancient current]

yeah sakes mense

[tiny abyss]

sorawow

[random shard]

Is their order in gacha details also by date?

Based on link it looks like it's a yes

[frosty idol]

Question how to make unit better should I upgrade skill also at a boring work training

[raven ermine]

Are you asking about masteries ?

[hidden nacelle]

what is a boring work training
and yes upgrade skills

[frosty idol]

I am multi tasking tbh

So if I don’t respond after the slow mode is becuz of that

[hidden nacelle]

well we don't need to know just let us know what you need...m

[frosty idol]

Er I am show unit I been useing

[random shard]

Basically any unit you use regularly you'll want to level their skills. But if you need basic team building the pins will help

[raven ermine]

Ok well there's a lot to unpack here

[shadow bay]

nice team

[frosty idol]

Do note I know nothing and it if I don’t respond fast is becuz of the work thing

[raven ermine]

Do you want squad advice ?
Because tbf looks like you purposefully picked the worst units possible

[hidden nacelle]

lmao the sample text in the pfp

[shadow bay]

let him follow the general template in pins for teambuilding first... his team atm are all over the place

[raven ermine]

Looks like rechord's squad or smth

[severe crypt]

That’s not ridiculous to say 🥹

[hidden nacelle]

sounds like it's a good team then

[frosty idol]

Their a pin ? I just join channel recently

[random shard]

Pin > scroll down > roadless camelot

[raven ermine]

Top right, there's the 📌 icon
With a lot of resources for new players

[tiny abyss]

Fae gif

[frosty idol]

One sec I try an find it while listening to an extent

[random shard]

Click channel name

[frosty idol]

Okay found it but what do I look at it again

[random shard]

It's a text conversation. Scroll up and read

[severe crypt]

#help really are babysitters I just realized

[raven ermine]

Mostly roadless, but feel free to take a look around, there's a lot of good stuff

[elder ermine]

i've read somewhere that all five ave mujica characters are good in the control center, this true?

[hoary ruin]

Not quite. We don't get paid, so we're volunteer babysitters.

[raven ermine]

This is very very wrong
They are complete dogshit

[random shard]

They're good if you don't have any of the other combos but fail to do anything real exciting if you have better

[frigid stream]

book of misinformation

[faint osprey]

Why does it says low power when i tried to construct anything atm, what did i miss here?

[frosty idol]

Should I upgrade skills or no?

[elder ermine]

so i'm better off sticking with these formations... unless there are better ones?

[pale tapir]

it says low power because your power use is already full

[frosty idol]

Or foucs on squad building first

[random shard]

You need to upgrade your power station. Top right shows 320/320

[raven ermine]

You're using 320 out of the 320 power you have at your disposal
Also, keep the training room for later, you don't need it right now

[median fable]

they can be way better
half of these are kinda useless, starting from Reed2 and Blaze2

[elder ermine]

any suggestions on formations?

[raven ermine]

A basic cc with +fac +tp and morale is way better than ave
So pretty much anything you can cook up
Also take into account most good base combos need some cc slot to be fully effective

[median fable]

they are nice for newbie since they lack options

[sand folio]

On the top right you can see the green metric (energy) and it says that you are already using 320 out of the total 320 you have, and for this you need 10 more
You can make another power plant, reorganize some stuff, up to you (if you are not following a guide)

[median fable]

share krooster, it's not like I can read your mind to know who you own

also things like Lee, Amiya and Ascalon being in the same shifts are 🥀

[elder ermine]

https://www.krooster.com/u/levenstein can't remember the last time i updated this but iirc i used the automatic thingy they have so it should be decently accurate

[median fable]

one operator away from Exodia 🥹

[wicked mirage]

What is the current E2 priority list for 4 stars?

[median fable]

#help message start from this btw, did this for a friend but similar situation as yours

[raven ermine]

Well you can make pinus team, so there's at least two cc rotations with vivi and fart in cc

[median fable]

you don't have Hoshi2, just use Kal

[inner ocean]

new player who rerolled a bunch back when wisadel banner was up, anything to keep in mind or to do i have basically no knowlege

[raven ermine]

Depending on what you have, you can have one rotation with yato noir and TRC in tp too

[elder ermine]

right i remember when the last time i updated it was, it was before hoshi2, i have her, haruka, and entire ave mujica

[frosty idol]

Should I show units for people opnion or just go with 5 stars first then four ?

[pale tapir]

definitely do not raise 5* first... just show what u have
use krooster website to share

[frosty idol]

O

[median fable]

then just copy the rotations that I sent, you'll use the same thing but you can add Bryo in the rotations

[frosty idol]

I am on mobile if that helps

[raven ermine]

I asked you if you wanted squad advice and you did not answer
We also told you to check the newbie guide that, i assume, you did not check

[sand folio]

Working on your base, see where it's at and take a look at the pin board (the first tab on the missions menu), its a good start

[median fable]

and in case you're unlucky in Wang banner consider sparking Dusk

[frosty idol]

Oh I am multitasking that’s why I mention the work thing

[frosty idol]

Yes squad advice please

[wind mason]

guys ,which one is more important to farm ?gel (have 49 left) , synthetic solvent (27) ,also onirock cluster left 3 . Low in sanity so have to decide.

[median fable]

@elder ermine take inspiration also from these https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SixW_LMuizJ-fOlRuytX623dP0-bVWfxtaM8WwYpYRQ/edit?gid=1187734891#gid=1187734891

[raven ermine]

We are unpaid slaves sir, we understand you are multitasking but we can't do everything ourselves

[frosty idol]

Okay here my 5-4 stars and squad advice please

[wanton meadow]

Gel > solvent > rocks

[split sphinx]

consult your planner or just try to balance gel and solvent to be around the same

[hoary ruin]

Farm as much gel as possible. Of the current event stages, that's the material to farm.

[median fable]

consider reading #r-i-i-c pins for base combo files also

[wind mason]

Alright,thanks all.

[median fable]

you can e2 Eun and use her for automation
e2 the rest of the Pinus team

[raven ermine]

Could you sort by rarity please ?
Also there's a lot of units that were in your team and that are not in the screenshot here

[frosty idol]

Okay should I add 3 stars or no

[random shard]

They want your 6*

[raven ermine]

No, 3 stars we assume you have them all

and if you do not, you'll get them easily

[glossy schooner]

Also making a Krooster

[frosty idol]

Okay so 5 - r star?

[frigid stream]

should i use all my potions to farm gel or nah

[glossy schooner]

That’s important and would make this a Lot easier

[frosty idol]

5-4 star “”

[split sphinx]

import your acc to krooster.com

[raven ermine]

No, just sort by rarity and send everything

Or as moth said, you can make a krooster

[frosty idol]

I do that when I get home

[wanton meadow]

Speaking of automation team, is dead lancet strat worth the loss of drones?

[wicked mirage]

hey guys, what is the E2 priority list for 4 stars?

[frosty idol]

I check krooster now

[random shard]

For what objective? iS?

[raven ermine]

Erm what's your account looking like ?
Most likely none, unless you want some niche picks for a few things

[pale tapir]

depends on what content you're doing
even within IS, some 4* are favored over others in different IS

[wicked mirage]

I have started the game recently. I got all ave musica units, and tragodia. I E2 my ethan and myrthle already. What other 4 stars would help me on either general content and IS?

[nova nest]

In what proportions would you guys suggest getting Ore and Kohl from shop?

[short steppe]

Worth the investment to M6 Logos?

• Already M3'd his first skill
• Debating on M3'ing his third skill

[raven ermine]

Well, you should stop e2ing 4 stars, unfortunate for myrtle and ethan but it is what it is

[wanton meadow]

Get as many as you need for your units

[wicked mirage]

I used the tickets

[wanton meadow]

Ethan e2 is solid, myrtle is a bit of a waste but it's whatever

[raven ermine]

Still very much not the best targets for progression

[wanton meadow]

Ethan is actually the ideal target for the ticket btw

[pale tapir]

well myrtle did not need that e2 but whatever
unless you need a 4* or have nobody better then I wouldn't use em
I'd say roster dependent

[raven ermine]

Not for a beginner he is not

[nova nest]

Do you mean I should NOT use all tickets to get Kohl and Ore, and instead use remaining on LMD then? Already bought the shop out and don't immediately need either of Ore or Kohl

[wicked mirage]

I see, what should I aim for to progress my account then?

[raven ermine]

Send your roster sorted by rarity

[median fable]

never buy infinite lmd

the sanity conversion is ridiculous

[wanton meadow]

Did you plan out for the future units you're planning on pulling?

[hoary ruin]

How much gel do you currently have? We're not getting another event with a farm for it for 6 months.

Unless you have like 140+? I'd farm more tbh.

[astral thorn]

So tomorrow im rerolling for mon3tor and logos.....any advice on whether 3rd should be ascalon or Ray for a fresh account? The pin had 4 suggestions. Also I didnt see any recs on 5 stars for the banners selector but maybe i missed it

[nova nest]

Not really, as in I know I'm going to be pulling on SA and Wang banners presumably, but that's about it

[raven ermine]

It should be logos ascalon ray, you don't care about m3

[median fable]

reroll for Logos, that's it

[winter crystal]

Monster isn’t even one of the options it’s logos Ray and ascalon

Ideally keep rerolling until you hit logos

[astral thorn]

Oh okay

[frosty idol]

Sec trying to do krooster I did made a account

[wanton meadow]

Nah ethan is the only 4* e2 ticket target for beginners, it's the only one that's worth it

[raven ermine]

Buddy what

[astral thorn]

Ohthe banner said mkn3tor is on it

[median fable]

Mon3tr is a great unit, in a vacuum arguably the best of the lot
the problem is that a newbie should aim for a dps unit, so you care for either Logos or Ray

[astral thorn]

K cool thx and logos is objectively the best

[raven ermine]

Out of those 3 yes, and not very hard to hit

[wanton meadow]

There's a reason the pinned beginner guide explicitly said to use that ticket on ethan

[median fable]

there is Pram2 coming though
I'd still get Logos though

[astral thorn]

K any advice on 5 star? Wait what's a pram 2

[pale tapir]

pramanix alter

[astral thorn]

Im a noob so no clue

[proven kelp]

Did you actually read the pin
It's written there

[median fable]

pramanix 2 or pramanix alter, a 6* coming soon
don't worry that much, I was mainly asking for other people in the chat

[winter crystal]

I’d still get logos now and cope with free pulls for Pram2

[astral thorn]

I was looking in roadless Camelot and I didnt see mentions of 5 stars

[frosty idol]

So what yoyo account or how to check ur ark knight account is link?

[proven kelp]

Different pin
#help message

[winter crystal]

It’ll be in the pins in help

[raven ermine]

A few months back, the same infographic said something different, and i agreed with it
Ethan is not a bad pick, but a newcomer won't get the full value out of it, not even close
They do not need stall, and even if they have access to damage through other means, there are still good serviceable units for a smoother progression

[winter crystal]

wut

[proven kelp]

The infographic had always been Ethan first

[astral thorn]

Ah thx sorry

[tiny abyss]

Yostar acc

[frosty idol]

Trying to link account to krooster

[winter crystal]

Ohhh

[raven ermine]

It was ethan for older player wasn't it ?
Pretty sure it was damage > ethan

[median fable]

pinned doesn't mean everyone 100% agree with that btw
unless someone doesn't say sth otrageous it's all fair

[solemn carbon]

what would folks recommend here? try for weedy? full gamble it?

[median fable]

like, we now have Specter as main candidate for e2 ticket but it doesn't mean everyone think she's the best for that

[winter crystal]

Or ifrit if you don’t have her

[median fable]

if you don't have ifrit get her
if you do Weedy gamble

[pale tapir]

personally I'd rather do e2 humus pinecone indigo etc. over e2 ethan as a beginner but ethan is just really useful so it's not a loss either way

[raven ermine]

do you have ifrit ?
Weedy is better imo, but that's a 1/3

[solemn carbon]

oh I didn't think ifrit would be worth, cheers I'll grab her then
it's showing p1 for the ops I own

[median fable]

she still has a res debuff niche that's used here and there

currently she's basically the best at it

[raven ermine]

Sure, i'm not saying ethan is a bad target at all
He's just investment heavy, and newbies don't need him anyway
Mod3 m3 is a big ask and he's somewhat defective without it

[median fable]

she will be used once every blue moon, but better than nth

TO tag is basically get the niche ops you don't own or gold certs

[raven ermine]

Used in some CC and in RA here and there

[proven kelp]

The idea is that Ethan is the priority because he's the unit with the most value on the later part of the game

While yes, for beginners having more dps is better, in the same time those dps works at e1, while Ethan needs to be e2, so you're saving more resources by using the E2 Voucher on him that doesn't use resources
Not like you have to invest in his Mastery and module right away, just let him stay in your inventory until you need him raised

[wanton meadow]

I know that not everyone agrees ofc, but ethan is in a slot where he handsomely rewards any extra investment on him until that s2m3 mod3, so he's very very good for these free upgrade tickets

[median fable]

there are good reasons for both Ethan e2 and dps e2 (in a newbie context)

[solemn carbon]

makes sense feel like weedy is exactly that as well haha. appreciate the advice

[median fable]

it's like a 51/49 split, let's not make it seem one way is clearly better than the other

[sand folio]

History question I guess
Have we ever had cases where the new op changed a little bit when coming to global?

[wanton meadow]

A newbie's dps e2 would normally be covered by the carry 6* or tequila no?

[proven kelp]

Having more dps option is always good

[raven ermine]

Yeah i figured he was there for later on
I do get the reasoning, but i'm not sure i agree with it
Newbies do have access to a lot so they might not need additional squad power anyway

[frigid stream]

I have 80 gel. I haven't really used it yet.

[median fable]

yeah, and we went from "e2 Tequila" to "e2 specter because newbies aren't able to use a 0 block unit"
an extra dps is always a good thing for them

[winter crystal]

You will

[frigid stream]

I have 40 solvent i assume I still farm gel instead?

[winter crystal]

Yeah

[raven ermine]

That was the reasoning ?
What a timeline

[wanton meadow]

I agree, but if we're comparing the opportunity cost of using ethan for the 4* e2 ticket to the alternatives, i would say the dps role should be covered by other rarities for newbies

[raven ermine]

That's not for dps exclusively
You use it on humus and you never have to worry about laneholding until ch 10-12

And it's a way better line than the mountain coping we see sometimes

[wanton meadow]

This i agree with

[proven kelp]

Alot of newbies complains about Tequila and some don't even use him entirely

People can argue as much as they want on who is the better e2 target is, but that's useless if the newbie themselves doesn't use it on the first place

And not like Tequila badly needs that E2 anyway, he works the same at e1 with very minor performance difference
We still recommend getting Tequila, but just not giving him the e2

[median fable]

as said, I don't disagree with you. Long term wise it's better to do e2 Ethan, but we can't neglect the short term gains
e2 Humus (or Indigo, Pinecone, Totter...) will still be used by them for a long while since they will stat check everything early on, it will take a while to get a team full of e2 and even then they can be used in like IS as free hope option for example

[raven ermine]

Yeah i get it
Just a weird angle to look at things but you have to adapt to your audience

Like the old "mlynar is useless" type shit

[median fable]

I personally disagree since I'd rather e2 Lappland than Specter but that's my bias
also I believe in Darwin's theory: can't you use Tequila? Pack it up boy

but it is what it is, let's hope they add la pluma in newbie selector and everyone will be happy

[proven kelp]

Tbh i don't see why people don't agree with the voucher change

It's not like we're not recommending Tequila anymore. You still get him later
He's just not the e2 Target
Tequila doesn't get that much from E2 in the first place
He's still very strong at e1

It's not like Specter who gets tons from E2

[wanton thorn]

How many more hours till orienteering guys?

[winter crystal]

Trial by fire, only dps newbies are allowed to use is tequila until they figure out how to use an op with zero block

The suffering will continue until moral improves

[median fable]

better than recommending Raidian rush to clear all content with summoner only lol

[raven ermine]

It's not that i do not agree with it, but i do think there are many different usable lines for starting an account, and i would not really go for specter personally
She does gain a lot from e2, and tequila is very serviceable at e1 sl7 also
She's also easier to use, so it's a good line for newcomers

[winter crystal]

If we let newbies do whatever they pick Projekt red 9/10 times

[pale tapir]

inb4 "la pluma keeps dying idk how to heal her"

[wanton thorn]

Returnee here, i took specter for first e2, uhhh is she bad 😭

[wanton meadow]

Dw surely they're all future 1p relay players so it's not wasted

[thorny edge]

could be worse

[proven kelp]

I mean unless they get a La Pluma or Rockrock on their starter pulls, newbies doesn't really have any other guarantee units to use it for

[median fable]

bryo e2 for base is peak, trust me

[raven ermine]

But frame 1 stun drop, think about it

[median fable]

everything they make in gold will be turned in earlier e2 and he surely statcheck chapter 1 slugs 🥹

[solemn carbon]

what's skybreaker archetype? looking at upcoming event ops in camelot rn

[wanton meadow]

Nah s1m3 to kill patriot with red

[thorny edge]

its like skyranger and snipers had a baby

[raven ermine]

Everything to avoid making a 6* skyranger, i see

[burnt cedar]

so far we only have the welfare, they're units that only attack aerial units and off-skill are in take-off state, and exit take-off when using skills and do aoe damage

[thorny edge]

though they work more like leizi alter
talisman immunity true

[burnt cedar]

hmmmm

[thorny edge]

maybe they dont wanna break the nine mandragora fans' hearts

[rocky pilot]

Since when did it got changed

[burnt cedar]

I don't have logos, ascalon or ray (and personally I'd like to nab hoederer from the banner but he's not a meta unit)

do I have enough to try it and have enough left for the salter banner?

the upcoming 6 op 3 guarantee one

[median fable]

less than a month iirc

[raven ermine]

You could go for first 6*, you still have enough to buy hh tickets too

[median fable]

you can try imo, stop at first 6*

[rocky pilot]

And I made a worthless gif right before or after the change...

[median fable]

remember they are also coming in gold cert shop, so maybe it's better getting them there and not pulling (you seem to have enough of it to buy two of them)

[proven kelp]

Around a month or so
Light and Sheilds had a discussion about it

[wanton meadow]

Idt pulls will be an issue for them, that's like 400 pulls in there

[winter crystal]

You choose the 5th best option (hoeder) out of 6 to shoot for

[median fable]

the problem is that it would be better buying the ops with gold certs, it's more efficient

[burnt cedar]

I like him a lot

[thorny edge]

its ok hoederer is good

[burnt cedar]

he's like one of the main reasons I got into the game

[wanton meadow]

True true

[winter crystal]

Yeah but he doesn’t have any of the top 3

[median fable]

he's as good as thorns2 🥹

[thorny edge]

yeah but its arknights

[eager hull]

Between Sakiko and Młynar, who do I E2 next

[median fable]

he will be available in gold cert shop soonish, wait for him there imo

[thorny edge]

i believe he will play is5

[burnt cedar]

I have been yeah

[winter crystal]

That’s the neat part, they won’t

[median fable]

Mlynar

[burnt cedar]

maxxed out the pass awhile ago, currently finishing the IS4 pass

[thorny edge]

u sure abt that?

[wanton meadow]

Imagine not itching seeing the unfinished battlepass levels

[winter crystal]

What skill on hoeder do you plan to use in IS5

[thorny edge]

answer s1

[pale tapir]

just buy em out with op

[burnt cedar]

it's S1 usually for IS5

[shadow bay]

s2

[winter crystal]

Shhhh 😭

[burnt cedar]

I say usually, S2 with enough aspd is a brick wall of stalling ig

[winter crystal]

Kill this man

[coarse notch]

all three are used btw

[burnt cedar]

hm? What's the benefit of S3 over S2 in IS5?

[coarse notch]

you use s3 if you get him before your atkspd has scaled

[eager hull]

[burnt cedar]

ah ok

makes sense yeah

[coarse notch]

otherwise yea s2 for ed2, s1 for ed 4/5

[thorny edge]

s3 consumes 100 HP per second and deals 200 True damage per second to enemies that have either attacked or been attacked by this unit. Attack range +1, Max HP +60%, ATK +120%, and each attack restores 5% HP and has a 25% chance to stun targets for 5 seconds.
s2 does not do this

[raven ermine]

[abstract mauve]

[shadow bay]

[coarse notch]

[median fable]

[burnt cedar]

[winter crystal]

🥄

[proven kelp]

Use none and ignore it's existence

[burnt cedar]

anyways, the 2 I'd want from the banner are logos and hoederer but is the general consensus just waiting for them to appear in shop?

[coarse notch]

hoederer should appear soon™

[median fable]

it's more efficient spending gold certs for them than pullin them

[burnt cedar]

logos probably not for another year

[shadow bay]

this is the safest approach ofc, if u can get 180 in due time

[raven ermine]

In your case i would pick logos asca ray and go for first 6*
Then buy hoe in shop sure

[coarse notch]

all of them other than mon3tr should appear sometime this year ignoring yostar scheduling shenanigans

[wanton meadow]

Wait one sec which one of the orienteering picks will appear in cert shop?

[coarse notch]

bruh

[shadow bay]

banners like orient are good in vacuum if u dont have the rate ups for the hope of a new one in ur team

[wanton meadow]

Like as in during banner which one will appear in shop? Just 1, all, or none?

[coarse notch]

orienteering itself wont put any of its operators in the cert shop

[wanton meadow]

Ok gotchu

[raven ermine]

They're usually somewhat bait, but you have enough currency, and upcoming banners aren't all that stacked tbf

[median fable]

180 gold certs for an operator it's roughly 26 pulls spent for it
considering 35 pulls per average for a 6* you can see how it's better buying them even if orienteering gives you a guarantee for someone new

[shadow bay]

yeh cert shop only for standard and kernel banners

[burnt cedar]

I see

[median fable]

actually, I would need to calc the refund you get from the pulls spent but it's still a net for buying over pulling

[raven ermine]

You can account 1:1 pretty much

[kind igloo]

Which 5* anti air marksman is the best? My current anti air is Kross

[raven ermine]

Slightly less if you do not have a lot of pots

[burnt cedar]

uhhh, krooster

[median fable]

kroos alter from Invitation to Wine
read Roadless Camelot newbie section (it's in the pins)

[shadow bay]

mostly just stick to krooster yeh

but listen listen... blue poison goat marksman frfr

[burnt cedar]

so I guess the consensus is to just wait

[coarse notch]

if you arent itching for immediate account power now yes

[burnt cedar]

I mean my account is already doing quite well I'd think

[raven ermine]

Seeing your pull currency, i think you can manage without them for sure

[languid lance]

Ray good or nah?

[raven ermine]

Ray good

[median fable]

Hoe is the next after Jess2 to debut in gold cert shop
if we follow the two year rule Ray is around July, Ascalon in October and Logos in Novemeber

[burnt cedar]

ray's good yeah

[median fable]

that's a big IF, order can shift

[burnt cedar]

hoederer in april at least according to predictions

[shadow bay]

haha all of em will get saga treatment

[wanton meadow]

Ok so I'm having 2nd thoughts about pulling till 1st 6* in this orienteering, what y'all think? https://www.krooster.com/u/gvm

[shadow bay]

the banner is good, the problem is

how much pull u have atm?

[abstract mauve]

i'd pull till first 6* here

[wanton meadow]

180 pulls so currency is not an issue

[shadow bay]

can u prepare pulls for ur future pulling plans?

[shadow bay]

then like mr shileds then yeh pull till 6 star

put the good picks and let fate decide who u will get

[raven ermine]

e1 your purestream good sir

[honest plinth]

best ranged boss killer?

[pale tapir]

depends on the boss

[abstract mauve]

depends on the boss

[wanton meadow]

Waiting for when event ends, missing 1 green sugar

[nova nest]

Got like a 1000 more free sanity to throw at it this week, is gel really all that?

[raven ermine]

Do you have a planner ?

[copper axle]

What happened to all the skins in the store

[shadow bay]

still few gel, get more

[pale tapir]

closure took them all
she'll restock soon enough just wait
next limited usually has a ton of older ones

[nova nest]

What's a planner?

[shadow bay]

but honestly, u can also check ur solvent stock... cant harm also stocking up that one (good luck establishing auto heheh )

but yeh i would just stock pile that gel to not worry in future building plans

[raven ermine]

https://www.krooster.com/data/planner
You basically input what you're planning to raise (from your current roster and upcoming banners)
And you see from there

[nova nest]

There's no way I auto this, had to get support Wis'adel to beat it

[shadow bay]

mostly meant using krooster, its a ... well planner, that let u see what mats and resources u need to build certain ops

[nova nest]

I mean, I can manually farm it maybe, that's what I did with Sakiko event because I could NOT auto anything out of 6/7/8 there

[shadow bay]

so yeh just do gel if farming blindly...

im sitting at 140 ish and i feel it still aint enuf

[raven ermine]

If the choice is between t3 gel and t3 rocks, i would go for gel anyway
The sanity efficiency for rocks isn't all that compared to 1-7, and it's the somewhat common sanity dump during deadweeks

[nova nest]

Only have 10 solvent, it's probably wise to manually farm some of it (how much though is the question)

Will use remaining sanity from solvent on gel then

[median fable]

the event will last for barely 12 hrs, it's not like you can farm so much of it

[nova nest]

Do you have to login (email and codes) into Krooster every time you need to update collection?

[raven ermine]

Yes, unless you want them to keep the auth token

[nova nest]

Got some boosters

[raven ermine]

Which i wouldn't recommend

[shadow bay]

w8 that blue tix expire???

isn't that one material vouchers...???

[nova nest]

These are material vouchers from like 14 days new player login

[raven ermine]

It's the newbie one, not the one we got a few month back from login/maintenance idr

[shadow bay]

ohhh

[nova nest]

Also, what would you guys suggest using them on in light of upcoming events, as in what are we NOT getting?

[hybrid bluff]

chat should I pull for the upcoming banner?

[shadow bay]

i would establish the planner to get a wiser choice ngl

[raven ermine]

Use the planner
Look at /cnfarm in #bot-spam
Depend on what you're raising

[atomic minnow]

Penance worth getting with certs?

[shadow bay]

like... if i have something to build, i would just use it to a mat that my current op to build want

[shadow bay]

nop unless simp

[atomic minnow]

Alright i will save for pulls then

[spice patrol]

Ascalon s3 is rarely use right?

[raven ermine]

Like, never yes

[hybrid bluff]

should I pull for mon3ter ?

[raven ermine]

No, it's bait

[copper axle]

Do all skins rerun occasionally or...

[pale tapir]

collab skins don't unless collab reruns
and even then might not include older ones

[hybrid bluff]

I guess I'll wait for sliver alt banner

[copper axle]

How bout Lings older skins

[raven ermine]

Outside of collabs, yes
You can see collab skin because they have a huge X on them

[frozen elk]

What is this stage?

[pale tapir]

rockrock collab skin rerun pls
il siracusano sidestory

[burnt cedar]

event, look up il siracusano

[stray gust]

at ~20 blu rocc, ~180 gel and ~210 solvent, should I spend my this week and next week sanity pot to farm more?

[pale tapir]

crazy how it literally tells u in the mission

[raven ermine]

If you're good on manganese and kohl, you can keep farming gel, or move on to your usual sanity sinks depending on what you need
Assuming you cleared the shop ofc

[stray gust]

both of them sitting at 300 so I might just want to exchange for lmd instead

[raven ermine]

You very much do not want the infinite lmd

[feral coral]

So uhhh may i ask someone with hoshiguma alt maxed up add me into friends? It's just so i really want that skill's level maxed but it's capped from supports unless it's your friend...

[stray gust]

does having 10 more mango into 300 stockpile make a difference?

[pale tapir]

yes you'll have 310 instead of 300

[stray gust]

I mean, I can add more to stockpile, but the fundamental here is gel/rocc/solvent farm

[median fable]

you'll soon switch to buying grindstone, the current meta is stack as much as you can

[stray gust]

with how slow I build an operator it probably doesn't matter

[median fable]

it's better than buying lmd and that's for sure

[raven ermine]

Even disregarding the manganese and kohl entirely, i'm pretty sure the byproducts you can get from those are worth way more than the lmd

[broken pebble]

Is there a chance that the Sanrio Collab skin will still be here when ch16 drops?

How long is this rebuilding mandate thingy event

[stray gust]

as long as my red cert and chip/dualchip farm speed doesn't increase, I doubt it will drop below 250

[raven ermine]

Which is why i told you that you can resume your usual "deadweek" sanity sinks

Like red certs farming for example

[nova nest]

What does "Craft" button do in planner?

[raven ermine]

You basically press it for every t4 and t5 mats
It means you'll be using t3s in the workshop to craft those, and it'll display what you need accordingly

[undone portal]

cn did schedule ch16 during rebuilding mandate, but nothing in #game-news to confirm it for global.

[feral coral]

@raven ermine I'm sincerely sorry for disturbing but may i ask if you possess a hoshiguma alt? If it wouldn't trouble you may i ask for you to place her as a support unit for the next 10 minutes?

[stray gust]

but shouldn't I keep my gel stockpile to ~250 since I somehow spend a lot of gel?

[raven ermine]

I do have her, but i was on a bit of a break, so she's mastery less iirc
Let me check

[raven ermine]

Sure that's decent too

[stray gust]

if you are using hoshi2, her s2 probably make less difference aside from damage, her s3m3 does have faster initial from my memory though

[raven ermine]

Yep no masteries, sorry 🥹

[feral coral]

I'm still pretty grateful just for the quick and kind answers ❤️

[stray gust]

I can put mine up with s3m3 though

[feral coral]

I'd be quite grateful for that, yet I'm not sure i have you added

[stray gust]

nope you have not. add me in game as my current name. In the meantime let me put her up

[feral coral]

Done

Btw may i ask how can one acquire more support slots? (I can merely assume by upgrading reception room) and is it worth it?

[lyric lagoon]

yes and not worth

[feral coral]

Awww, thanks for the answer tho!

[odd sky]

if your office is level 1, it's okay to have rr lvl2

[feral coral]

Great thankies once again!

[stray gust]

just push her level to 80 to make her slightly more functionable

[green thorn]

Whats next banner?

[severe crypt]

#game-news message

[lyric lagoon]

if you want more future banners, go to pins -> roadless camelot -> banner priority

[stray gust]

also it is mostly skip until sash alter which I supposed is a good >6 week time.

[inland swallow]

as beginner, between ascalon and ray, who should i pick for the last one? mon3tr, logos, and ascalon/ray

[lyric lagoon]

unless you have a sizable pull economy saved and don’t have at least 3 of the upcoming orienteering ops

[stray gust]

ascalon mon3tr and logos

[raven ermine]

Logos > ascalon > ray

[stray gust]

really? you guys rate ray above mon3tr?

[undone portal]

i would say mon3trs of higher priority for people with lemuen, lemuen covers most of the uses you would want ray for

[lyric lagoon]

cause they need dps

[winter crystal]

Damage above all else for new players

[lyric lagoon]

mon3tr can be more useful for people with already decently built teams since buff and true dmg, but beginners really need that dps

[raven ermine]

Even if they did not need dps, monster is very much not all that

[lyric lagoon]

ok now calling her “not all that” is just wrong

[stray gust]

is ray even that good pre e2? I would say she has some use with s2 but I still find it subjective here.

[winter crystal]

Monster is very good she even gets a team attack buff coming with her mod

Just specifically for newbies not a priority over the other options

[stray gust]

pre e2 I probably put hoederer before ray though

[lyric lagoon]

eh not really, but she’s more serviceable than not

[raven ermine]

Erm, yeah ?
She's used in IS5, from what i've heard slightly in IS6, outside of that she's an aspd buffer

[pale tapir]

ray s1 is also pretty nice
kinda like pinecone
still doesn't hold a candle to s3 ofc

[raven ermine]

Which is very much whatever
And if you cope the damage part, well she's competing with all the other damage slots in the game, which is very much not to her advantage

[hoary ruin]

How long does it take a fresh account to be able to E2 someone these days?

[stray gust]

ray s1 is like shaw/feater s1 but has range and actually does damage, but outside of that...

[undone portal]

mon3trs team atk buff is already there without mod, its built in with reconstruct
mod bumps the numbers and improves her hps

[lyric lagoon]

mod increases her atk% buff by 15% (assuming you mod3)

[winter crystal]

Ah gatcha

[slim tusk]

what's cooking
mon3tr is pretty good on new acc

[lyric lagoon]

just not as high prio as the actual dps since they can just use the selector medics

[raven ermine]

I do think you're overevaluating what 15% atk mean

Is pepe broken now or what

[slim tusk]

mon3tr can dps too on new acc
better than siverass at least

[raven ermine]

the competition in this case being logos asca ray

[lyric lagoon]

more like you’re undercutting 25% total atk% 20 atk speed (not including s2)

[stray gust]

the actual value is coming from s2m3 aspd buff that comes along with the attack buff.

[wild crow]

Would this be a place to ask feedback on an arknights based app

[wild crow]

In the dead gamemode

[lyric lagoon]

and this isn’t mentioning how pretty big her heal is

[stray gust]

just ask; we will then decide how to answer you

[turbid ocean]

I saw your app already
It’s not the place

[wild crow]

[raven ermine]

25% atk is incredibly irrelevant for a lot of units, 20 aspd is whatever
You do get the fact that she's a whole team slot right ?
Sure she's good, but she's not all that, i stand by it

[stray gust]

mod decides that the result is not to answer you at all

[turbid ocean]

You can try #strategy it’s got a little less traffic

[raven ermine]

Sounds like you're lacking damage options most likely

[turbid ocean]

The result will be a tierlist argument

[undone portal]

logos/asca are the agreed orienteering picks, its a discussion between whether mon3tr/ray is the better 3rd choice
i want to push for mon3tr if only because s3 covers for several roles simultaneously in a way that fits well onto a new roster regardless of who else you have

[abstract mauve]

wtf
tierlist

[turbid ocean]

Why would we consider anyone other than Logos

[wild crow]

Sure sure, but im also looking for eh overall feedback stuff

[slim tusk]

only logos is the agreed pick for me

[turbid ocean]

I know but this is gameplay help channel so not the place to survey

[formal shadow]

logos thron hoe ril

[turbid ocean]

I’ll give you permission to ask in #strategy but that’s about it

[slim tusk]

asca ray and mon3tr is around the same ballpark

[winter crystal]

If you wanna see what the average player base will do with it or questions they will have post in general chat (as long as you get permission)

[stray gust]

except the original choice is pick between ascalon and ray, and we can agree that ascalon is the pick here.

[slim tusk]

asca is better early on but if you want actual dps,ray is better

[abstract mauve]

not sure i agree with ascalon being the pick

[coarse notch]

for a beginner i feel like ascalon would be better

but i also think logos ascalon ray would be better for a new account

[stray gust]

ascalon is pretty decent early to late, maybe not hyper late, but at that point of time we got a lot more options to choose from anyway.

[raven ermine]

What's hyper late ?
Because ascalon has a niche you won't replace with damage

[wild crow]

Wakata

[slim tusk]

asca has niche but mon3tr ain't allat is double standard

[lyric lagoon]

fr

[inland swallow]

here is my current roster

[stray gust]

meanwhile ray is functionable early but not as good, which is very much the same situation as mon3tr, but at later part of the game mon3tr has more value here. If I really want an early unit I would rather pick hoederer in the roll of dice.

[coarse notch]

i use mon3tr the most out of the four but in the context of someone looking to pull on orienteering i dont think mon3tr is more relevant

wtf no not hoederer

[inland swallow]

and yeah, i still cant farm to e2 any1 ig

[coarse notch]

logos ascalon ray
you have fuck all for damage

[lyric lagoon]

have you RA and IS yet

[stray gust]

like when you are stacking 3-5 e2 m3 units to take down a 500k hp boss

[inland swallow]

RA? IS i only try IS6 hehe, but just once and cant proceed any further unfortunately

[lyric lagoon]

me when bear (not cocaine bear)

[shadow bay]

reclamation algorithm

[inland swallow]

noted! so i dont need mon3tr that much as new player?

[stray gust]

sadly our friend misses sakiko here, which brings down the value of early mon3tr by quite a bit.

[coarse notch]

mon3tr doesnt offer you anything notable

[inland swallow]

[lyric lagoon]

meh, 20 speed is 20 speed, any op can use it (once again not including s2 mult)

[coarse notch]

for general content shes stuck on s2 as an atkspd buffer and you have no units to take advantage of that
her true damage is only brought out once in a blue moon and most of the time its in IS

[stray gust]

aside from a small amount of aspd pre e2, which means nothing until your ops can do actual damage

[inland swallow]

yeah, unfortunately i start to play 1 day after sakiko banner ends so

[coarse notch]

actually, do you even have the pulls for this banner

[inland swallow]

i can only rely on support hehe

[neat acorn]

What does mon3tr and logos do

[stray gust]

not exactly, but the main issue here is that you need to e2 her, which has some difficult scaling since he will have a hard time progressing without enough damage.

[coarse notch]

e2ing her still offers less than the other three options

[slim tusk]

less than ascalon,really?

[inland swallow]

perhaps enough? only 11 headhunting permit, hmm tho i need to save for silver ash alter banner too...

[coarse notch]

skip this banner

[slim tusk]

s3 is perfectly fine on new acc too

[inland swallow]

still have bunch to farm pull currency from tho need much more sanity

[stray gust]

ascalon provides a lot more than you think though, I would say ascalon > mon3tr > ray in terms of utility

[coarse notch]

ascalon has a much better strength curve on a new account

[slim tusk]

i don't deny asca is pretty good early on but think she is overglazed

[coarse notch]

ascalon is extremely easy to use, offers strong cc and damage, and scales well into the late game
im a perpetual mon3tr glazer and i still dont think shes the better option here for new accounts

[raven ermine]

ngl i think you're all putting m3 on a pedestal here
Especially when you compare to asca
Like m3 is gen slop win more
Asca solves ground stalling by herself, with very little interaction

[coarse notch]

unblockable negative taunt wide radius cc + damage, its like peak newbie carry

[raven ermine]

And 60k t.damage on a somewhat bad cycle will very much not change my mind

[coarse notch]

most of mon3tr's reputation is based on advanced tech

[stray gust]

the main issue that ascalon faces is the fall off of damage, which is very negligible at general content. Maybe at places like EX6 to EX8 or boss stage then you will feel the lack of damage there.

[raven ermine]

But you do not give a shit about ascalon's damage

[abstract mauve]

acc might be mixing mon3tr up with someone else

[coarse notch]

fortunately her cc and cycling are still very strong

mon3tr s3 was 56k total damage iirc

[raven ermine]

Yeah i remember 60ish so that must be it

[narrow canopy]

Just want to no which model is good for mudrock to use?

[slim tusk]

bad cycle who?

[rocky pilot]

Do I lock morale restore ops in dorms or no

[raven ermine]

m3

[coarse notch]

mon3tr s3 uptime is 41%, whereas ascalon's s2 is 63%
the cycle isnt really bad tho

[slim tusk]

what's the standard of good cycle lol

[proven kelp]

Perma!

[safe tundra]

my opinion on the argument for ascalon v mon3tr would be upgrade access.
ascalon require materials completely doable for noobs to grind and craft (even CEUs)
whereas mon3tr potentially need chapter gated materials. while free gifts exists, they still need to climb their way through chapters

[raven ermine]

35s is pretty shit for what you get ngl
Yeah it's better in IS, let's not pretend we don't have access to better options in general

[neat acorn]

Lazy

[random shard]

They're really only worth doing if you're trying to keep very specific schedules. If you would otherwise fill all slots and have more people who need to be in dorms it's not worth

[hidden wolf]

Is myrtle worth e2

[coarse notch]

like sure, mon3tr does scale harder, but does that matter when ascalon starts off much stronger
my question is when is a player going to get significant value out of mon3tr compared to ascalon

[stray gust]

the very reason of why ascalon and logo is the undisputed pick here is that on top of their late game still being decent/good, they are also very strong early pre e2.

[wispy jolt]

Is5 ed2
And uhh

[coarse notch]

mon3tr's biggest claim to fame is in a gamemode that the majority of players dont touch and overbuffing squads that really dont need it

[stray gust]

the only question left is mon3tr vs ray, with hoederer as a very backup option.

[coarse notch]

hoederer isnt even in this conversation

[hidden wolf]

I have 100 pulls should I pull orienteering

[raven ermine]

She is indeed a win more operator

Outside of IS that is

[wild crow]

Would say that her healing talent can be clutch at times, but she is low priority

[safe tundra]

what

[thorny edge]

gng its 25 hps

[slim tusk]

25 hps is borken

[stray gust]

if your only option is to pick an op to stay at e1 for a long period of time, I would say hoederer is a good contestant. Else he can 🚮

[wild crow]

Yes, it’s low but it can still be valuable at times

[thorny edge]

no

[safe tundra]

if youre deploying her in vicinity of enemy attacks youre already using flagbearers wrong

[shadow bay]

i dunno my ines does need that healing from myrtle frfr

[reef sparrow]

ah yes, when ppl suggest 1st e2 myrtle so they can borrow e2 ops asap

[pallid shoal]

Is this banner worth pulling on if I already have Logos (and if it is who would he worth getting?)

[slim tusk]

good thing that argument finally dead

[coarse notch]

and in terms of mon3tr vs ray, i think ray just offers more from e2 than mon3tr
she has almost double the dps of mon3tr (obviously) with slightly better (44% vs 41%) uptime and a much better cycle (16 on, 20 off versus 25 on, 35 off)
elites/bosses are what most players struggle with, and ray is built to lock them down and kill them

[wild crow]

It’s not game changing, but it can help her tank 1/2 hits more in thight dp deployments

[winter crystal]

There was a newbie who first E2ed provi and couldn’t clear stages with dogs 🚬

[coarse notch]

in the newbie's defense, that was help chat's fault

[thorny edge]

in tight dp deployments im not throwing down a flag

[raven ermine]

If you're in tight dp stages, you bring an agent

[copper axle]

In annihilation theres a fixed amount of DP always?

[wild crow]

But then u have to not bring Myrtle

[coarse notch]

dp gen is 0 so bring vgs

[thorny edge]

annihilation is not a tight dp situation
unironically bring a few pioneer s1 and chill

[safe tundra]

well, yeah?

[coarse notch]

annihilation is the opposite of tight dp

[wild crow]

Which is a big downside as Myrtle is cute

[raven ermine]

Oh, one of those

[proven kelp]

Check pins

[formal shadow]

Surfer > myrtle 🏃‍♂️

[thorny edge]

have u seen that new skin

[slim tusk]

unless you are relying on ponci s2,any other vg is fine for anni

[formal shadow]

It's peak

[wild crow]

I regret raising surfer s2

[safe tundra]

we were too focused on actual argument of mon3tr v ascalon then we got derailed with cope like m*rtle talent 🥹

[coarse notch]

as you should

[reef sparrow]

tbf, agent can't generate dp when they're not hitting

[safe tundra]

dude

[thorny edge]

when theres nothing to hit you dont need dp

[copper axle]

Wdym

[slim tusk]

if they are not hitting,do you need dp

[coarse notch]

annihilation gives you about 10-12 business years to get dp

[thorny edge]

heck one fang is prolly enough bro

[slim tusk]

but don't use fang

[coarse notch]

as long as you can deal with the first wave you're free to chill and make a couple hundred dp until like enemy count 350+

[formal shadow]

They also give you extra starting dp so you can do your initial deploys

[thorny edge]

yeah 50 dp is heaps
exu alt costs like 12

[coarse notch]

big fan of the dp

[slim tusk]

there are vg less clear,50 dp op

[copper axle]

Man this is a pain

[formal shadow]

Just use the exualt trick to print dp :clueless:

[raven ermine]

smth smth exu2 juggernaut shuffle

[thorny edge]

[copper axle]

Exu2 generates dp?

[formal shadow]

With s3 there's a method

[wild crow]

New gen players will never understand the struggle of manually pressing vanguard skills, nowadays they deploy matsukiri and let him auto skill

[copper axle]

Ok but she didnt and she killed lotta folks so what gives?

[coarse notch]

...but we've had auto vg skills since day1

[raven ermine]

erm pioneers ?
Are you alright ?

[wispy jolt]

S3 deploys an op for free but you still get dp if you retreat them

[thorny edge]

works with any ground ops cuz she deploys them for 0 dp but it still counts as a normal deployment, so it refunds half dp anyways

[formal shadow]

Courier s1 afk meta 🗣️

[lyric lagoon]

they still gotta manually press sa and ines

[coarse notch]

exu2 weedy modx gravestone technology

[wild crow]

Too many buttons…

[lyric lagoon]

vigil s2 afk meta

[raven ermine]

Oh, one of those

[hidden wolf]

Should I e2 saria

[safe tundra]

a real vigil user dont use s2

[thorny edge]

theres gotta be better e2 candidates than saria

[slim tusk]

vigl s1 is unironically copable

[coarse notch]

shileds celebrating somewhere rn

[raven ermine]

Depend on your current roster, but you most likely have better things to do

[sleek finch]

btw in most anni, a sl7 fang is enough to sustain the entire run

[lyric lagoon]

wait scratch that, s1 vulpisfoglia meta

[copper axle]

Just tell me what I'm doin wrong kek

[wild crow]

Did they block screensots from your pc?

[coarse notch]

you're on the first enemy whats the issue

[copper axle]

Its hella laggy

[rocky pilot]

Then don’t do that to begin with

[severe crypt]

Holy bloated taskbar

[copper axle]

It gets a bit more a of a pain later

[wild crow]

Nice dmc bg btw

[raven ermine]

well how are we supposed to know from this picture ?
Just drop a vanguard and deploy your team

[thorny edge]

holy rbpeanus

[lyric lagoon]

this is a #tech-support moment

[rocky pilot]

Deplot vanguard, print dp, defend, and done

[coarse notch]

exu2 + wis should just blow everything up

[copper axle]

Ah

[raven ermine]

Ah ?

[formal shadow]

Just don't get deleted by dolly :ya:

[frank talon]

Bring myrtle or something

[lyric lagoon]

oh wait the problem isn’t even their lag they just have decision paralysis

[raven ermine]

❓

Do you not see the two vanguards at the bottom ?

[severe crypt]

And one of them being better than Myrtle

[formal shadow]

E0 canta 🥀

[safe tundra]

erm she still slaps

[frank talon]

I just think myrtle would me a more steady supply of DP instead of canta

[sleek finch]

again, even fang alone is enough since the first 350 enemies are slow enough that you dont even need to worry

[wild crow]

Ngl im very impressed that you got goomba skin

[raven ermine]

if fang is enough, surely s1 texas is too

[formal shadow]

I bet it's s2 texas

[lyric lagoon]

assuming there’s even an enemy left after exu and wis commits genocide

[copper axle]

I'd do anything for Hoshi

[formal shadow]

Still usable

[dense marten]

who a good 5 star equivalent to exusiai

[lyric lagoon]

eh, still a steady supply of dp, just gotta do it manually

[raven ermine]

I mean that texas is e2 even

[frank talon]

Kroos alter

[dense marten]

thats not a welfare

[thorny edge]

whats wrong with being a welfare

[formal shadow]

[raven ermine]

What's the issue with welfares

[coarse notch]

are you adverse to the welfare system

[severe crypt]

Racism

[frank talon]

Welfares are free what

[dense marten]

i cant obtain her unless the event reruns (?)

[copper axle]

They not generating any dp

[sleek finch]

you can always obtain krooster

[formal shadow]

Record restoration:

[severe crypt]

wtf who told you this

[hoary ruin]

Krooster event is perm

[dense marten]

OOOHHH

[raven ermine]

Record restoration is a thing, she's available currently

[copper axle]

It's still 7

[pale scaffold]

go unlock invitation to wine intermezzo

[lyric lagoon]

who isn’t?

[wild crow]

Spuria is basically 5* exu, they even are the same race and sub class

[rocky pilot]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Operator/Free

[safe tundra]

i think the problem is the 5* marksman snipers not named kroos are inherently rotting because they cant compete with welfares

[raven ermine]

But buddy
Did you play the game at some point or did someone just threw you in that annihilation ?

[thorny edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1403122199514185798/1452170537005613127/invtowine.gif

[lyric lagoon]

exu2 dp gen is based off of her infinite reviving with her s3 💀 that’s what they mean by “dp gen”

[severe crypt]

Let’s not say that man

[copper axle]

Exu2 and Cantable

[formal shadow]

[lyric lagoon]

cantabile needs to hit enemies while skill is active to dp gen

[raven ermine]

:ican't:

[sleek finch]

have you considered just plop down texas s1

[copper axle]

Ohh I didnt S2 her yet

[severe crypt]

Welcome back to #help Mayu

[lyric lagoon]

oh my en server

[coarse notch]

did you get captured to run someone else's anni for them or something

[thorny edge]

"i didnt S2 her yet"

[pale tapir]

brother

[lyric lagoon]

#hell*

[severe crypt]

Imma go break my fast y’all deal with this

[sleek finch]

surely you have done anni1 before right?

[copper axle]

Uhh

[thorny edge]

are u gonna eat peanuts?

[pale tapir]

we recommending texas now? it’s joever

[copper axle]

Ramadan Kareem Akhi

[lyric lagoon]

it’s fine if texas is s2, just use her skill

[slim tusk]

get dp with this one simple trick

[coarse notch]

shit so ass rbp needs food to make up for the brain cells he lost

[shadow bay]

[lyric lagoon]

no, they just already have Texas on the team

[raven ermine]

Can you scroll up and look at their team ?
There's an e2 texas

[thorny edge]

download more dp

[copper axle]

[coarse notch]

but yea just throw down texas s1 and afk

[wild crow]

Can’t download more DP, it’s all being scraped by AI

[safe tundra]

astrelgpt is overclocking again

[raven ermine]

And disregard the comments about exu2 generating dp, it was a joke, this is very much not a thing

[thorny edge]

two million tokens trust

[lyric lagoon]

ip banning everyone in this chat from buying dp permanently 💔

[thorny edge]

i'll buy it offline

[undone portal]

are we talking about exualt s3 dp tech

[thorny edge]

meta for vanguardless annihilation