Arts' CSMM Attempts and Other Clears

[prime sentinel]

Rip the unused ssa cynthia

[royal sphinx]

Your roster is capable of doing 15k, just level up some pairs

[wise herald]

Will do!

Just gotta deal with LG first

And BV

And I haven't solved Nate BC mission (the unova dragon one)

[wise herald]

Oh wow, they increased the points cap for the rewards

No wonder everyone's aiming for 15k

Next week then

[wise herald]

me: I still need to do LG, I shouldn't redo for 15k

also me: but but but optimization

the BV I procrastinated in the back:

[prime sentinel]

well LG does last until next week

[wise herald]

perhaps I'm not ready for 15k

[prime sentinel]

it's starting to get very challenging indeed

especially for newer CS stages and we get a slight taste of that in water CS

[wise herald]

Anyways I might wait till meloetta drops for 15k CS

Off type Olivia R2 is not going well at all

3k stopped by rampardos rock slide lmao

[wise herald]

30 minutes later

Oh well, I'll wait until Meloetta drops

[wise herald]

Arts' endless 3k malding params

3 hours and so many resets later, Olivia R2 off type is done

Had to sacrifice sneasel dps in the end

This is more or less optimized to the last drop

I have to nail all quadqueues of ice wind, if not then the rampardos will kill all dps with rock slide

I have to time ice wish correctly, there were runs where I timed it too early and it expires on sync

And before that I have to reset for hop to not die to iron head or stomping tantrum

Note for future Arts: maybe wait for the OP tank to drop first

Other 3k notes:
Also don't do mixed offtype

Also don't take Atk 5

Don't take def 5 either on top of all other def increases

Weird side note: Sneasel endurance wasn't triggering at all on full hp

So I ended up ignoring it and taking the half hp param

I'm only OK with spending 3 hours because it's my second time doing 3k and I'm learning

But in the future, yikes

If anything takes more than 10 resets I'm settling for 2.5k

[prime sentinel]

never take defense

only do it for stalling

take strength if you need to add points

[wise herald]

Finally did shauntal with Aaron nessa sc Steven and these params (ignore the boss details I didn't screenshot on shauntal)

New learnt lessons: taking def 1 is better over atk 1 if your tank is frail

[prime sentinel]

atk 1 is nothing

stacking defense is only gonna make you struggle killing mid if the opponent happens to have inflated HP

(which shauntal does not)

the thing with your params is you're taking too much strength which can make you struggle presyncing

[wise herald]

Understood

[wise herald]

new learnt lesson: 15k may not be possible sometimes

[prime sentinel]

And that's okay

You'll get the hang of it eventually

[wise herald]

Clear screen roster

14.5k

My SSA Cynthia, Sonia, SS Acerola etc rotting in my roster:

I didn't expect Grimsley to be that weak

Also this was the params for NC Leaf, its so cursed

ignore the kahili on top right

Gonna start planning for 15k alola CS

Fairy is the only issue

And, uh, technically grass is an issue but silver solar beam + xerneas horn leech works right

[prime sentinel]

Mina should still obliterate 3k fairy weak

[prime sentinel]

Physical/special damage split, i'd pick one or the other

Brendan's great if you have him

[wise herald]

Ya I forgot I had Mallow

Kukui:
SS Acerola + Mallow + Tank?

Acerola:
SC Steven + SSR Giratina + Sonia (?)

Kahili:
Giovanni + CBede + ?

R3 Hala: (the follies of not having a fave fairy striker when will NY Lisia return, no I don't like granbull)
SS Steven + Darkrai + Lucian

Olivia:
Solgaleo/Kgrimsley? + ???????

[prime sentinel]

Strength 8 is fine, but max hp 2 on top of it will tip the scale away from your favor. Replace with strength 1. Strength 9 is nothing for that team

I'd avoid stacking HP on top of strength. You already have the right idea with max attack + taking strength to complete the rest. But HP 2 inflates your HP by a LOT

[wise herald]

Understood, will remember that next time

[prime sentinel]

We usually take HP if we wanna flex big numbers

Bcs strength also adds defensive stats and if you wanna do a showcase, you get bigger numbers with HP params only as the opponents don't have any defensive improvement

[wise herald]

Ah, makes sense

[prime sentinel]

But damage dealers will have an easier time clearing with strength 9-10 over strength 7 + some HP

[wise herald]

For a team that is not this team, then I should be avoiding a mix of max hp + strength 12?

Interesting, understood

But then don't you start running out of parameters to add?

[prime sentinel]

Definitely avoid HP on top of strength 12, you'll be reaching postsync territory and newer regions have legitimate sync multipliers that will screw you over if you let them sync

[wise herald]

Understood

Mostly having issues about choosing atk 3/def 3/max hp

[prime sentinel]

Avoid def 3
Attack 3 is manageable

Attack 1 + 3 is fine

Attack 1 + 3 + 5 is what can scare some people away

But good tanks can handle it

If you're stuck with supports like Hilbert though, well

Just be ready to reset a lot

Opponents hit hard, but you can reset to avoid hard hitting moves. Which is why max offense clears with full attack params is more manageable than trying to make your (sometimes subpar) damage dealer kill through max strength + HP. You either need to heavily support them (zone, rebuff, etc) or chuck a lot of potions at them

If I'm using damage dealers I'm not comfortable can clear 3k, I try to reduce the opponent's bulk as much as possible. No HP, as little strength as possible

If your damage dealer is good though (good DPS, good nuke, or both), well, you can afford lowering offenses in favor of HP/strength for a more "tank-friendly" clear.

[wise herald]

Understood, thanks!

[wise herald]

Clear screen roster 15k

Back to LG

[wise herald]

Finally did it

[prime sentinel]

[royal sphinx]

[wise herald]

LG stuff moved to #1188522014751871066 so it's cleaner

Especially since they made forums unsearchable ish

[wise herald]

#salt-channel message

L

Literal dead 15x pull

There's only one 4* in it

[wise herald]

Arts' CS will be back in 24 hours

Why can't we play Pomas without wifi

[royal sphinx]

I have WiFi but i cant even play the game

[wise herald]

Lucian could have been 3k easily if sneasel was EX, but without EX I had to fish for third sync crit (if the run survived until then) [and of course I missed the crit]

[prime sentinel]

smh why wouldn't you EX your SS Silver

<biased

[wise herald]

I would have EXed him...if I had the PU tickets

Broke from LG

[prime sentinel]

[wise herald]

Can't even do 10:10

Next on line is ss morty and Aaron probably

[wise herald]

finally could enjoy sync accel memes

15k done

In hindsight I could have budgeted round 2 and 3 better

Round 3 took a lot of parameter tweaking

Had to budget my shadow forces due to spec dr 8

[royal sphinx]

I see you EXing Silver and Irida as well

[wise herald]

Irida has been EXed like three weeks ago, SS Silver is indeed finally EXed though

Now for ss morty next

[wise herald]

Nothing quite like running out of shadow forces

And watch as the enemy lives on 10% hp

[wise herald]

TL Sycamore/Lodge Blue/Erika
Gardenia/Shauna 1/5/NC Rosa
Selene/Dawn 1/5/SC Steven
Mallow/SS Acerola/Ramos
Brendan/SS Morty/Rosa

Is this a good team for HSE? Gardenia is my main concern

[wise herald]

I have realized that I should wait until sinnoh VA drops

[wise herald]

OG Zinnia and Sinnoh 3k are two incompatible things

[prime sentinel]

well done though!

[wise herald]

Thanks!

It took me 2 hours to figure out Bertha because I forgot I had sc Steven and tried to duo grimsley + solgaleo

But the rest were relatively smooth sailing

[royal sphinx]

Lucian + Irida = lovely combo

😌

[wise herald]

Will remember that next time

[royal sphinx]

*Ghetsis + IrIda lmao ignore my dumbness

[wise herald]

Lmao

[prime sentinel]

#1011173305702690876 oh I did do a grimsley + solgaleo

slightly RNG heavy though

[wise herald]

Funnily enough, I accidentally post sync-ed Aaron somehow

Both ghetsis and irida lived on a sliver of hp after they got sync-ed

And glaciate and icy wind dealt the killing blow

[royal sphinx]

You still won tho, its the only thing that matters

Irida enabling innate Kekwalk + zone is for Ghetsis

[wise herald]

True true

[wise herald]

Anyways thoughts

I just want 180k rewards but it feels a bit unreachable ngl

[prime sentinel]

well, worth a try

you don't have SS Erika yet?

[wise herald]

My attempts to get her have not bore results yet

All my general tickets yield are sharpedos

Coping for sinnoh va tickets to give me a dawn copy and or SS Erika

[royal sphinx]

[wise herald]

Anyways can't believe how good mayziken and ss silver synergizes

And acerola gives 2 speed at start (unsure if its because enemy sun) so I can take half ally mpr and lose nothing

[royal sphinx]

yes her TM gives +2 speed under sun

[wise herald]

The on entry one?

Not the TM

[royal sphinx]

ah the entry

then its from May

she has Team Debut Dash 2

[wise herald]

Ahhh, there you go

My new offtype physical team

Sc zinnia will probably be the other option once she's 3/5

Free 100 pts from 3 stats up is always nice

Wish they added 5 stats up for 200 pts (solely for sc zinn)

[wise herald]

Well, fished out the wrong alola unit from my ticket

(Gladion)

The fact that I could benefit from both a selene or a Mallow copy...and yet, a gladion showed up instead

[chilly schooner]

I only got my 3/5 Gladion a few days ago! Time to kepe not using him

[prime sentinel]

yeah you're not missing out on much

[wise herald]

Well, either I fish out two 40k from my dying roster

Or I surrender the move candy

[prime sentinel]

I don't visit HS thread a lot but there usually will be f2p-friendly 180k clears

though they do require some investment still

[wise herald]

haven't seen one in the pins

but yeah it's the requirements that's killing me

2/5 brendan, 2/5 mallow

they're all missing their sync nuke nodes

[wise herald]

selene is on 1/5

[royal sphinx]

[prime sentinel]

annoying game mode frfr

have you dipped your toes into skill gears? they might help quite a bit

[wise herald]

I tried

not getting really good rolls though

[wise herald]

I never want to do HSE ever again

Had to waste 20 pure PU on Dawn just for this

[prime sentinel]

you made it

[wise herald]

I could probably do better on erika by swapping out ss morty

for ss steven or sth

but eh I DON'T want to touch it ever again

[royal sphinx]

[wise herald]

If I knew how annoying Cynthia would be, I would have swapped SS Cyrus with Bede

Get burned, get frozen...r5 Cynthia...why

One of the most fun csmm I've ever played because I get to play with at least one fave in every round, ++++points for my faves on typing all non champion rounds

[wise herald]

I could have shoved sc Steven into Aaron's team for maximal favorite-ism

missed opportunity

Oh shoot could have swapped out ss cyrus for sc Steven nooop

[prime sentinel]

Yeah I forgot how annoying poison-weak cynthia was

[royal sphinx]

Me destroying her with Emma

[wise herald]

Looker would be proud

Where's my gio PB

I'm so not ready for psychic HSE

[chilly schooner]

Someone worse than me

[wise herald]

Ice hse when

My 3/5 irida can do grass hse adaman shenanigans

And my ss silver

I just need nc red end I'm set

[prime sentinel]

that would be a bit terrible ngl

accessible ice is in a bad spot

support wise especially

were you arond for Ice CS?

[wise herald]

Probably not

[prime sentinel]

Yeah that was hell for a lot of people

[balmy widget]

can confirm

[chilly schooner]

Just stall

[prime sentinel]

4 stall teams and 1 ghetsis

[wise herald]

LMAO

that sounds absolutely horrible

[chilly schooner]

I barely even stalled lol

Only 2!

(Why did I stall a Unova and a Kanto...)

[prime sentinel]

what the hell was that agatha team

[wise herald]

ye what on earth is that agatha team

[chilly schooner]

Stall team

[prime sentinel]

knowing you, sycamore was running on no crit slowly chipping off health while being a vampire

aurochs who hurt you

[chilly schooner]

JayChow

[wise herald]

last time I used a stall team like that it was on grass cs with horn leech dealing actual damage

not...ice cs

so what I'm hearing is, I'm guaranteed to get master rank in ice hse /hj

[chilly schooner]

I have a Grass CS clear with Sycamore on every team

[wise herald]

sycamore xerneas, tlsycamore, hsycamore....

uhhhhh I ran out of sycamores

unless I missed an ss sycamore somehow /j

there's no vycamore right

(yes I know I can use /pair but that's cheating)

[chilly schooner]

I mean it literally

[wise herald]

with the power of photoshop

all star sycamore

cserena would be happy to see her region's professor demolish everyone in her cs no doubt

[chilly schooner]

Easiest CS of my life

[prime sentinel]

the bar for master rank is surprisingly low as more and more players stop tryharding after getting the medal

[wise herald]

Interesting

Psychic HS though, I'm missing SS Lussa and Lana

Unless I do very dumb shenanigans like Lucian SS Steven Musharna on 500 strength or sth and hope they survive

[chilly schooner]

People are down on SS Lusamine due to her supereffective multipliers

[prime sentinel]

missing out on SS Lusa for psychic HS isn't a loss tbh

she struggles offtyping shit

[wise herald]

Oh lmao

[wise herald]

Watch as devs put in a psychic weak stage for her

[royal sphinx]

She works as an accuracy debuffer

[prime sentinel]

watch as you barely dodge shit

[wise herald]

It's really funny

Cresselia has 1 eva and dodges everything

Ethan has Eva...and oops he's dead!

Misty Eva, same thing

[wise herald]

Anyways, HSE clears

[wise herald]

Eva haxx cynthia

Truly a focus miss moment

Should have swapped stoutland into cynthia

For no eva

[prime sentinel]

With these fighting stages that love to play with evasion, I find that Maylene is a very helpful secondary support

[wise herald]

...I'm not dragging hapu everywhere

[royal sphinx]

you have to look for other theme boosts in the shop

[wise herald]

Realized I forgot to post this

[wise herald]

Feat tl elesa

[royal sphinx]

Nessa appreciation

[wise herald]

Ikr

I used Steven to beat Steven

[wise herald]

ughhhh HOENN

took me 2 hours to figure out phoebe

[royal sphinx]

BP Sophocles appreciation

oh what was Riley doing in SC Zinnia's team?

[wise herald]

Sync cd shenanigans

I just wanted to try him out

A screech-er or sth would have been better

[royal sphinx]

but sync accel is funny tho

[wise herald]

Indeed, that's why he's there!

[green coral]

Iron Tail OAR 1:

[wise herald]

Iron Miss?

[wise herald]

"I have two midterms tomorrow, unga bunga time"

Riley was on Iron Tail grid because I forgot

[wise herald]

Anyways, got Akari and Lucas truly showing my Sinnoh heart here

Will be skipping Geeta

Guess I'll just offtype all poison CS with my favs

[wise herald]

Actually lemme do an all fav clear

No using Olivia and Blue Pidgeot

[wise herald]

...bricked because no johto medal

[wise herald]

[wise herald]

Missing out on Johto, Unova, Kalos

[royal sphinx]

[lunar torrent]

I'm missing these and Kanto...oh well

Maybe gonna do solos on hard mode next week

[royal sphinx]

At least the rest except Kalos is baby mode

[lunar torrent]

This is both good and bad. Good cause we get to use whacky teams for 3k clears, bad because I enjoyed Hoenn being kinda challenging.

[royal sphinx]

Hardcore fan i see

Johto still have some challenging stages, most of them are Koga

[lunar torrent]

CSMM fan you mean?

[royal sphinx]

Thats even better

[lunar torrent]

Love CSMM but currently I'm also eyeing you guys' LG streaks, gonna push hard for 100 next LG.

[prime sentinel]

We got 'em ladies and gentlemen

[shrewd nimbus]

Y'all corrupting people

[wise herald]

my first foray to CSMM was also a headfirst dive into 12.5k

[wise herald]

maybe ease into it

even on my 4th LG I've only managed to push to 28

[prime sentinel]

Mhm, 100 is a long and arduous grind

I didn't even get into 100 until LG12 and I've been around since way before LG1 (but that's just because I don't try to optimize my clears as much as the regulars in LG chat)

[wise herald]

trust me you'll rethink your life

when azelf freezes you

or coba hits poison

for 4 times in a row

[prime sentinel]

Trout don't listen to the naysayers, LG is fun

[lunar torrent]

Imma rephrase. Think got too ahead of myself.

I'm very interested in the game mode and I'm gonna push hard to get the longest streak I can

[wise herald]

yeah to be fair I don't have much free time to rng reset for solos

so maybe that's on me LMAO

[lunar torrent]

If I enjoy something I don't mind grinding like a madman

Also why I pushed so hard to 15k CS

A couple Hoenn stages were brutal

But it's that much more rewarding when you figure them out

[wise herald]

same, I enjoy CSMM and BR

for exactly the same reasonsw

and honestly LG is fun

[lunar torrent]

Oh BR is fun too

[wise herald]

it's just that the attempt to get RNG to line up

will wear you down HAHA

[lunar torrent]

Looking forward to it and I also have all of you to help me so not gonna worry too much

[prime sentinel]

always happy to see others fall victim into the LG hole find joy in LG! my most recent victim newly appointed LG manic friend is Zeen

[wise herald]

Can't believe this worked against ethan ebe pt 2 lmao

[wise herald]

Ground guard irida

EBE rotation makes it that she doesn't get hit by AoE until somewhere after first (accel'd) sync

[wise herald]

she could survive a hit, get potion'd, get hit by eq again, and that point just let her set her last ice wish and let her rest

[royal sphinx]

Its quite punishing to bring off region pairs. I havent even played against Ethan yet but i heard their Irida got one shot on the first EQ

[wise herald]

Yeah ground guard is the only way irida's surviving that EQ lol

I also gridded FA2

[royal sphinx]

TIL she has that tile

Did you grid Winter Coat 2 as well?

[wise herald]

Yea

Lemme grab the grid

This is 60 energy

Tbh ss silver would have appreciated a hail extension too but I can't be bothered to spend 40k orbs lol

In hindsight this is kinda useless since my morty doesn't have potion MPR re move levels

So she never gets high enough hp to survive a heat wave after 2 earthquakes in a row lol

[royal sphinx]

I... also learned that tile exists lol

Despite having 3/5 Irida for ages

[wise herald]

Trust me this is (was?) my first time looking at them too

After I got my butt handed to me by ethan

So I regridded her

"Surely she has something in her grid to survive right"

[royal sphinx]

Her important tiles are already costly lol, it makes sense when we dont know about the left bottom quadrant

[wise herald]

She isn't used for nuking at all

So I just took off her nuke tiles haha

Also her icy wind is actually useful in debuffing side speed

And also when the sides get to -5 or -6 speed they get very slow in requeueing moves

I easily rushed my sync moves that way

Also side note but

Since the ebe always opens with EQ

I end up using silver's B Move on turn "2" (5 moves in)

This allows Morty to get sync damage guard in time

Before he gets blasted by ethan's flame charge (stand fast 9 ugh)

I think the intended gameplay is to flinch that ot sth lmao

[royal sphinx]

Yeah the move rotation is brutal

Even on region dmg dealers dont last long

[wise herald]

!!! I can finally use my akari...

....aaaand its hoenn upgrade, aaaaagh. I have no good strikers (Zinnia doesn't count)

[royal sphinx]

you can keep visiting the shop for better theme

[wise herald]

2/5 brendan so sad

If only last stage was techhh

But as it stands, I'm going to drag deadweight "haha watch as I drop my defenses in front of Anabel" Zinnia into the final battle

[royal sphinx]

hopefully you get better theme boosts

[wise herald]

Yeah

But at least as early game boost

This isn't too bad

[royal sphinx]

[wise herald]

Also lmao who tanking

For last stage

[royal sphinx]

you will find out later

[wise herald]

Hmmmm

Is akari tanking

She also has potions

[wise herald]

Off type faves only run

I tried making it at least 2 monotype but then I messed up on gladion oops

Also, ignore that ss acerola is on type

Lucian is not my fave, but that growl certainly is my fave sp atk enabling move lmao

I should have slotted NC Rosa (a fave fave) instead of Lucian but sleep cheese makes it too easy with Steven

My regrets: not being able to use SSR Cynthia, SSA Cynthia, and Riley

I'm too impatient to wait for SC Irida

Not pictured: 2/5 May struggling to kick Bertha

I was originally using SS Morty but 2/5 is missing Inertia and everything

[wise herald]

Hmmm is this wise

Or should I just abandon Liza's stage

I was also told to not put musharna with gio in the same team

Maybe I should swap caitlin with gio

[prime sentinel]

How high of a score are you aiming for?

[wise herald]

Uhhh master rank

[wise herald]

But nothing more than master rank is needed

I'll probably ex Sabrina next week

[prime sentinel]

Then I think you should be fine either way

Just push that Gio team

[wise herald]

Wait, so I don't swap out Gio?

[prime sentinel]

I think if the goal is 180k, it's fine either way

[wise herald]

Master medal isn't 180k thoigh

[lunar torrent]

How much do you need for the medal?

[balmy widget]

Top 10k placements get the medal, so we won't really know what the cutoff is until the end

[lunar torrent]

Ah alright

[prime sentinel]

Last time I still ranked 7k in fire HS with only 200k-ish points. Psychic will have more competition but it shouldn't be that different

[burnt ocean]

late but how is the SCs Zinnia/Steven combo? Want to try that out for the first time soon

[wise herald]

First of all: get a crit buffer for your sc zinnia unless you get TM MPR (and sacrifice some nuke nodes doing that)

Second of all, snatch before you binding leer with sc Steven so you get all the buffs for free (Running 3 status up for free)

[burnt ocean]

Doesn’t she max out crit on her own with 2 TM uses? Thanks for the second tip though!

[wise herald]

Yeah, but also depending on your team comp you might not be able to click the TM twice before first nuke

That or you sacrifice some attack buffs

[wise herald]

E.g. this support less team has no aoe attack buffer or critical buffer

But yeah you can click her tm twice if you want to, just then you gotta figure out how to top up her attack and also snatch before you nuke

[burnt ocean]

The B-move does that with the stat up params already

[wise herald]

Oh right I'm braindead

Sorry I'm sleepdeprived can you figure it out

/hj

[burnt ocean]

dw, I’m new to SCeven’s kit so thanks anyways

[wise herald]

But yes, SC zinnia wipes the floor anyways

She nukes really good at 3/5

1/5 on the other hand...is Questionable offtype

[wise herald]

Also funny side note: since sc zinnia applies dark rebuff on her tm usage

You technically don't need to tackle first turn

You can use his tm on Zinnia and still unlock Binding Leer

Since if you're off typing the tackle rebuff is ontype so it's useless

Also sc zinnia nukes so hard on first sync

That if you play your params right, mid straight up dies

So you can try out dumb sync cd param stuff that still allows for first sync

[wise herald]

Arts' double samurott, double lucario clear ft. the current event's stars

[lunar torrent]

Is Gladion 3/5?

[wise herald]

Yes

But that's because I had 4 striker candies because I always pulled for supports

[lunar torrent]

I'm having a tough time clearing at 1/5

[wise herald]

Hmmm tbh even the second B move was overkill

[lunar torrent]

Have half a mind to spend the remaining 12k to pity and pray to get a 3rd copy before scout points

[wise herald]

What's your team looking like

[wise herald]

So not worth trust me

12k is too far away

[lunar torrent]

I was trying to do a theme so the supports were kinda meh. Gonna try with Penny support.

[wise herald]

Did you try denying side or sth

Or do you have any sp atk dropping support that fit your theme

Or sing/flinch stall in your theme

[lunar torrent]

I'll check what I can fit in

But I've since slightly changed the theme so I might be able to bring Penny + sp atk/def debuffer

[wise herald]

Also, is this a "mid is dead sides kill gladion" problem

Or a "mid doesn't die" problem

[lunar torrent]

Noo, can't presync mid end up dying to sync

[wise herald]

Have you tried taking 3 stats down (since gladion reflects them back)

[lunar torrent]

Woah woah woah

That's a strategy

[wise herald]

You...didn't realize?

[lunar torrent]

No

Okay that's OP

[wise herald]

Free sp def and sp atk drop right there babey

3 sp def drop

3 sp atk drop for free

But side effects include your support having 3 stats down

[lunar torrent]

💡moment

[wise herald]

They may or may not live this

[lunar torrent]

What if my supp has Impervious?

[wise herald]

I like the way you think

Yes that works

[lunar torrent]

Okay this is gonna work

Tysm Arts!

[wise herald]

Ywc

[wise herald]

How'd it go

Did you finish the stage

On theme?

[lunar torrent]

Oh I'm walking back to my room now from class. Will give you an update once done.

[wise herald]

Yeah sure, have fun

[wise herald]

Good enough for me

I hate will

[wise herald]

To celebrate the week when HSE ends, I've included at least one Psychic pair in each team + sandwiched them with two on type pairs to remind me that a lot of psychic pairs means suffering offtype

Yes, that koga team is pure trolling --- the closest thing I did to simulate HSE pain

A more trolly version would be Liza instead of Sabrina, but I'm not masochistic enough to do that outside of HSE

[lunar torrent]

Arts when did you start playing? You're only PR77

[wise herald]

Uhhh short answer: I've only logged in for 175 days

Long answer: started in 2022, then took a break until 2023, then took a break until 2024

I was there for ss Steven's original release

[wise herald]

As a result, my roster is a trainwreck of "Where's my Kalos VA? Where's my Kanto VA? Where's my Johto VA? Where's my Unova VA?" I've had the unfortunate pleasure of always returning when Hoenn VA is rerunning

[lunar torrent]

Ahh so that's why the low level. I thought you'd started playing only a month or so before me.

We'll finally get Hop's EX soon though so that's nice. Or do you have that already?

[wise herald]

Thankfully I don't have hop EX yet

so far my count has been: 2 (3?) hoenn va, 2 sinnoh va, 1 alola va

[lunar torrent]

Talk about poor timing

[wise herald]

yeah

[lunar torrent]

Sucks

[wise herald]

it do be like taht

getting screwed in psychic HSE

cause no EX Gio

[lunar torrent]

240k is really good tho

[wise herald]

and Zinnia is...Zinnia, despite her PB and EX

[wise herald]

a lot of sanity lost in flinch chaining and sleep chaining and confusion fishing

[lunar torrent]

I'll be honest. It was the least fun event for me so far too.

[wise herald]

yeah, I'm only pushing this

because it's basically my only real type roster in which I can realistically get top 5k/10k

after this I'll just half ass 180k every other type

[wise herald]

grass HSE, for example, was a bloodbath

meanwhile I'm stuck with 1/5 Selene and 2/5 Mallow

and it was a terrible struggle to claw my way into 180k

[wise herald]

adaman go 180k per stage or sth

[lunar torrent]

People got 180k off one stage with Adaman?!

[wise herald]

yeah

it was either 150k or 180k

trainwrecks either way

[lunar torrent]

The tryhards in this mode are on a different level wth

[wise herald]

ok turns out it wasn't 150k --- sleep deprivation got to me gah

#1128052735967764621 message

but yeah see for yourself @lunar torrent

people averaging 90k per fight is a fun sight to behold...uh, not.

compare contrast top score to Psychic HSE

and you'll see that for Psychic, people struggle to keep the scores higher than 400k

vs Grass HSE where there's so many 500kers

[lunar torrent]

Right. The top guy has 100k per stage

[wise herald]

it's just the nature of grass having so many good pairs

[lunar torrent]

I guess water HSE would be similar?

[wise herald]

vs psychic where even most whales have to start digging through "paper" like sabrina etc

[wise herald]

You can see third pinned message in HSE for all archived HSE top pins

[lunar torrent]

Can't wait for the multiple type HSE so that it becomes less painful to deal with

[prime sentinel]

yeah, but water was the first HSE so while people were already crazy back then, it wasn't as it is now I believe

[lunar torrent]

Yeah those scores are still low compared to psychic HSE

[wise herald]

Glad to be a PR77 amongst PR120+ ers

[lunar torrent]

You mind if I add you in-game?

[wise herald]

Sure, go ahead

[lunar torrent]

Send your ID, I'll send req and let you know

Ign is Trout

[wise herald]

6061552966187722

[lunar torrent]

Added

[wise herald]

80% on type week (want to test out new toys e.g. lucas, sc irida)

just need to figure out if it's more fun offtyping bug with fire or with dark

...or with fighting

[lunar torrent]

Hope you've been sleeping well haha. Looks like another medal week for us. Or do you have Kalos?

[wise herald]

@lunar torrent nope, waiting room again

[lunar torrent]

Rip

[wise herald]

thanks for the well wishes, yet assignments call to me

[lunar torrent]

All the best!!

[wise herald]

ugh looking at volo's kit makes me want to cry, I want to get him for gladion but nani are those roles

[lunar torrent]

I haven't looked at datamine stuff properly yet

[wise herald]

you should

it's uhhh...it's...something.

also 19k gems, straight up gem count on fire

[wise herald]

Arts' overkill 2/3 monotype

No comment

[royal sphinx]

Vespiquen my beloved Ghost type

[wise herald]

exactly

also galar articuno trying to pass as its kantonian counterpart

I have no defense for NCRosa, I just thought it'd be extremely funny to see

two teenagers cheer a world-ending cynicist

[prime sentinel]

Common pokemon plot

[wise herald]

You're not wrong

[wise herald]

Themed clear, since I'm in waiting room for CSMM

Guess the theme. It should be really easy lmao

[prime sentinel]

Whenever someone says "it should be really easy" i overthink it

...four bar moves? Idk if zinnia has a four bar move actually

[burnt ocean]

Not my SC alt, but Rayquaza has Dragon Ascent!

[prime sentinel]

I want to say each team can set a status condition but team 2 doesn't

[wise herald]

Hint: Irida's team causes a minor change to the overall theme, without that team the theme would be even tighter

[lunar torrent]

Need more hint

Does it have to do with the trainers, Pokémon, types?

[wise herald]

Hint: when I say theme, I really mean it

||as in, literally, but this gives away the answer||

Can say it's based on the trainers

[lunar torrent]

Are they all either Villains or Rivals ?

But idk whether Irida fits that

Or Elio

[wise herald]

Close enough
They all share either Trainer Group (Villain/Rival/Champion)

...or Other (Nature Lover, because guess what SC Irida has no trainer group, the nerve!!! That's why the theme deviated)

Smh should have gone with SSR Cynthia instead, since she's Battle Facility Foe

But I wanted to play with the shiny new toy

Basically the overall theme is they all share at least one theme

[lunar torrent]

Oh totally understand, I squeezed Irida into my clear for the same reason

[wise herald]

[wise herald]

Since without SC Irida, the theme would have been "share one trainer group"

[lunar torrent]

I'm just glad I was able to guess a theme

[prime sentinel]

yeah i guessed rivals and villains, but there were a few that deviated

[wise herald]

yeah sorry about that!

blame sc irida, who knew she didn't have a trainer group

meanwhile gladion had two smh

and the steven team was Trainer Group champion for context

[burnt ocean]

Wait, I'm in the villain group?

[wise herald]

wait poma doesn't consider zinnia to be in villain group? nani

[burnt ocean]

I know, I even had that stint in Team Magma.

[wise herald]

even by jp standards where it's villain org zinn should be in villain org

[burnt ocean]

But I have nothing to show for it apparently 🙄

[wise herald]

oof

[burnt ocean]

Still, a double Rising Tide nuke is pretty villainous for on-type CSMM

Punishment for the unsightly flame!

[wise herald]

welp, double checked irida but failed a check on zinnia

oopsie!

guess favoritism makes you blind

[burnt ocean]

Good favoritism

[prime sentinel]

we're considering zinnia to be a villain?

[wise herald]

I mean they consider gladion a villain

and all he does is do edgy stuff in the main series

[prime sentinel]

but he's part of team skull fr

zinnia just infiltrated

but they don't consider N a villain, nope, Mister "I'm the king of team plasma" is your rival

...i take that back, N has both villain and rival

oh i get it now. only OG N has both

Anni N and SS N only get rival

[wise herald]

fair enough

I'll redo the theme next week when I properly have access to CSMM

guess I'll just do passionate lady or whatever it is zinnia has instead

[burnt ocean]

“Space Cadet”.

Not “Passionate Spirit”, not “Villain”, not “Free Spirit”, not even “Rival”. Just “Space Cadet”. And I didn’t even go to space until the second meteor incident (the one on Pasio).

[wise herald]

that's...straight up insane

what on earth dena

[burnt ocean]

I think this every day

[wise herald]

well

space cadet it is I suppose...

glances at liza

[wise herald]

Exam weeks, so unga bunga it is

All of them are wtz teams...except I messed up on malva and forgot lmao

Only problems were siebold and malva tbh

The rest were a breeze

[wise herald]

This will have to be postponed

Until I have enough braincells to redo

[royal sphinx]

good luck with your exam

wait, you kept sun on Malva???

insane

[prime sentinel]

Rosa sleep hacks ig

[lunar torrent]

All the best for your exam!!

[wise herald]

Lmao yeah, this is how I found out right side has no TMs

[wise herald]

Back from break

CSMM time letsgo

[prime sentinel]

hi arts, it's been a while

[wise herald]

Yep!

[lunar torrent]

Yooo long time no see

How you been?

[chilly schooner]

No time to chat, where is this clear

[wise herald]

Lemme send

1/5 Colress cries

Also I'm a cynthia and Steven fan if that wasn't obvious...

Currently travelling so no time to try out lower end clears

[chilly schooner]

You used like one Cynthia

[wise herald]

I mean, I used stuff like ssa cynthia in the past

Surely what I need now is to fish steven from the daily pull

[royal sphinx]

Welcome back

[wise herald]

Mmmm looking at ssr cynthia

And weep at how sad she is compared to modern pairs

[prime sentinel]

Which modern pairs are you comparing her to

[wise herald]

Well mostly there's SC Irida I guess, and just tech treatment moving on from 2022

If she released today she'd be kinda underwhelming

This is just me trying to cope with EXing her lol

Anyways, damage challenge is pretty fun

Lance really hamstrings the cheese strategies tho

[prime sentinel]

I have her 3/5 EXR and I never feel like I need a new ghost damage dealer, personally. Lucas falls off more imo, and that EXR does NOT help!

[wise herald]

Yeah maybe my issue is that I'm looking at her 1/5 vs 1/5 of modern pairs

I know, I know, it's my own skill issue for still caring about meta

[prime sentinel]

People are abusing defend order aaron on Lance

[wise herald]

Hmmm interesting, I'll keep that in mind

My real issue is that I don't have a real dragon type damage dealer

I'm using 1/5 lucas

[prime sentinel]

At 1/5 just make her a zone setter lol

[wise herald]

Yea she's just playing second fiddle to my new shiny sc irida

[wise herald]

And then I look at my supports

And it's all so over

[prime sentinel]

You're better off nuking with cyrus

[wise herald]

My supports mostly don't do sp def debuffa

[wise herald]

I tried (without aaron)

[prime sentinel]

Yeah, sp def debuffs are rare af

I wouldn't bother

Just spam your one move

[wise herald]

Is this something like Aaron defense order -> Cyrus sync nuke -> Aaron defense order?

[prime sentinel]

The idea is to max your defenses so that defend order fails

[wise herald]

Yeah that makes sense

So it's just Colress at home

I'll do that and report back

Thoughts on support sync

[prime sentinel]

I'm not very up to date with the DC meta anymore, not sure what people pair with aaron to instantly get +6 def, otherwise using def order 6 times and going through all the animations is still slow

[wise herald]

Vs dps sync?

[wise herald]

Ehhhh presumably can do really dumb shenanigan like...flips notes ssa cynthia?

[wise herald]

For first sync

[prime sentinel]

First sync goes to support, rest goes to damage dealer. Even if you have 2 supports on team, imo i wouldn't waste the 2nd sync on yet another supp, UNLESS both supports have sprint EXR

[wise herald]

Obviously not lol, I'll keep that in mind

[wise herald]

Ssa cynthia supp sync with sprint, then Cyrus nukeeeee

Guess that's my plan then, sinnoh gang vs one aerodynamic violation dragon

[prime sentinel]

Good luck

[wise herald]

OK new problem: team loses steam at the end of the fight lol

[prime sentinel]

No gauge?

[wise herald]

Yea

Have to waste some time seeing ssa Cynthia's long b move

Hmmm presumably I can fix my cynthia score instead

I was using volo ss gladion nc Rosa (sing shenanigans)

But perhaps I can swap to colress?...

Or maybe not

[prime sentinel]

Eh don't bother with her bmove

She clicks TM, she stands there, aaron spams defend order to reduce sync CD

Don't forget to click cyrus's TM twice for speed

[wise herald]

Yeah the actual problem here is that the 40% gauge on Aaron often doesn't proc

[prime sentinel]

What move level on Volo? He really kinda just stands there for me so I ended up not using him lol

Sing spam and nuke with gladion only

[wise herald]

1/5 so same thing here

He was just there to setup fairy zone and circle

Thoughts on colress vs nc Rosa (with go viral)

[prime sentinel]

Hmmm i've actually seen strats where you apply para, and then you spam sing, because the animation of sing failing is slightly faster (but dont put troublemaker bcs the passive proc takes time)

That's why people abuse nc blue and melony

#1014128602603851837 message but your overall score is already much better than mine lmao, i'm not that good and patient with this game mode

[wise herald]

This is just because I happen to have the units for it lol

Ss gladion way spiking my score up

Real issue is that my dark damage challenge

Is stuck at 500k

Even though I have 3/5 sc zinnia

Clearly skill issue on my part

[lunar torrent]

Do you have Cerena?

[wise herald]

Nah

Was doing some sc steven sc zinnia arc steven team

Since Zinnia setup on her own is.......ooof, there goes her rising tide

[prime sentinel]

No zone?

[wise herald]

I can bring akari

But then that begs the question of dropping either arc or sc steven

[prime sentinel]

My motto with DC is if it ain't broke, don't fix it redlax + colress + damage dealer (especially if physical) deals enough damage for me

What's arc for?

Quick setup?

[wise herald]

I don't have redlax

Yeah mostly that

Sc zinnia's setup is...not ideal

For dc

You need to click +2 atk button twice

And find a +2 source externally

And yeah her rising tide goes to waste

[prime sentinel]

What move level is akari?

You might have a better time

[wise herald]

Glances at her uhhh 1

[prime sentinel]

[wise herald]

Not much more I can do I guess

This is 5 syncs in

[prime sentinel]

Much better!