#Extreme, Ultimate & Challenge Battles
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i don;t think circle counts as a field effect
buff block is a field effect
the status reflect shield
oh
that counts as a field effect?
I thought you were talking about the shield from tm
how else would it function
Circle doesn't affect Wally so it does not count
Buff block is a field effect
it affects Wally and wally can't force remove it with endure
Oh I was thinking SS Lear
I am gonna do a double Lear clear
Buff Block is a fair game
i think double lear should be possible
probably
i'm currently thinking of an ss wally clear
I'll do a Rei clear, to the shock of a lot of people
the first few turns might be rough depending on the move rotation tho
double Lear+ any bulky wtz support would work but I wanna use nc rosa too
for the sweet rebuff
might wanna snatch 3 times in a row if they don't use tms as their first move
what's the comp plan so far?
No idea yet, but I want at least two Fighting types, if possible
buff block prevents further buffs so using tms early would be more optimal tbh
How I want to do the Rei clears
that's the reason I am going nc rosa too yeh
Rei+ SSAC + Very aggressive sp def debuffer should work @dark dust
yeah, and you'd likely want to not burn 3 snatches in a row for the early spdef entry
do you have a very aggressive sp def debuffer
Uhhh let me check actually
who would count for that again
you use snatch right before the buffed enemy attacks to have buff block up for the longest
btw doom how hard do you think this UB is shaping up to be
Lear would also work, especially well too if he's 4/5
5/5 so ez
ye ik, I was talking about the early spdef buff on entry
I think he will be below thort but above Evelyn if he buffs aggressively
Well technically I can do Irida lol
irida 3/5 has mind boggler 9
so she needs a bit of more help with spdef debuffing
could you do Rei+ SSCA+ Lear then?
Gotcha
thx
unless you were talking about regular irida with her aoe spdef debuffs
Ssr cynthia 3/5, SS Lear 3/5 and NC Blue should be enough for wally right
what level is nc blue
3/5 too
remind me do any of those have a passive or grids to lower +2 sp def upon entry or in the first move?
because i think without those it's gonna be tight
With shadowball
Has spdef lowering and she has her passive
So she can debuff spdef twice with rng
If I’m not wrong
Ye she has sundering 9
So 1/2 on sundering and 1/5 on shadowball
Should be fine
My concern was that wally's attacks with his +2 sp def at the start might kill nc blue or do critical amounts of damage
Does ssr have a way to set zone on entry
I forgor
No, has to ghost wish I’m pretty sure
NC Blue can Initial Guard at least?
i think that's the way it has to be done
they might open up with aoe like anabel
maybe not, but the problem is that his setup can't remove zone and the entyr +2sp def at once before wally uses an initial attack
that might end up killing nc blue
that is my primary concern wiht his setup
he has Initial Guard
and it wont kill him even without it
still would leave him with a lot of damage
that's why i said that he basically has to run initial guard on nc blue
why would it kill him, its only +90% and the damage isnt SE.
Thats not that bad
UB doc updated
and you debuff atk/spatk too
regardless i'd say it would still cost him a lot of damage
why does p erika look cracked
@warm haven are you gonna pull for p erika to do Milo on grass showcase
i dont have many gems sadly so no
because it basically can nuke over and over again while providing anti-status support
But still adaman is a better choice to showcase grass
use the 3 together
arc erika frfr
Currently my list is Lucy > Darach > Noland > Argenta > Evelyn > Palmer > Wally > Morgan > Thorton > Leon > Giovanni > Masked Royale > Dana = Anabel = Nita > Nemona
Anabel that high ?
I think she is out of my top 5 at this point
this battle doesn’t look too bad
don’t have a high Giratina so that’s gonna suck
4/5 Ingo might be clutch tho
one of three ubs i still haven't beat so i basically have to consider her high
too strong and bulky for my roster and i dont have the stuff to deal with it
Anabel is just pain
Fluid Fortification, needing weather changes, and iirc her attack stat is pretty high
you can off type tbh
Was this recorded?
i will record it yeah
Nice
@snow spruce do you think the nc blue+ ASC+ Gt teams beat wally
What's GT again
grassy terrain
With MG2 cookies on 2-3 pairs sure, should be fine with decent rng .. which means farming them =/
bruteforcing w/o spdef debuffs idk, will try at least
I thought it meant grand theft 
get back to lg
get back to lg
get back to lg
how much does wally buff per turn again
Wally himself 0 unless he's using x sp def all
Then it's two
Allies is +1 upon using any move
Wondering if I should roll Vigilance on everyone for Vs Wally lol
And they have+2 on entry right?
Yeah +2 on entry
Yup
does wally even buff crit outside of dh+
Don't think so
Luckily I got both Yarrdenia and SSRynthia so I should be set… thought the former is only 1/5
is Wally UB easy?
I read the paste and it seems underwhelming compared to recent ones
I thought you would have to dispel fighting zone but just straight up need field effects
depends on if you have someone to debuff sp def and have wtz up constantly
but his bulk is low yeh
Unless you have zone coverage I don't think so
Do we know how many zones we need for Wally?
yeah idk if sst red with his 4 electric terrains will cut it 
he doesn't need zone
i thought you have to dispel fighting zone but nope
just terrain is enough
but in all seriousness you'll probably want a unit that can set zone on entry and has mpr
Comparable to Anabel
that's currently my biggest asterix
That's pre mega too right?

He compensates middling HP for extremely high offenses
i'm now geniuely scared because that's part of what i imagined a wally ub would be
ye
does wally spam high bp attacks
main has psychic, eq, giga impact, and focus never-miss
so high bp spam
aye aye
Wally is not really bulky
You should be fine with a strong off-type
He's frailer than Palmer, for example
As long as he doesn’t have goddamn ice moves for the 4th time in a row
Lmao
They HATE champion blue
I see
I saw the field effect thingy
Does any like terrian and stuff work or
Is it just only zone
Any Terrain, Zone, or Weather is fine
Ah ok
No need to be Ghost
Might try either my eletric team or my ice team them
Just make sure to cover the Sp. Def drop requirement
i think ice might not cut it
electric might be
Also question does Miraidon beat ash now? I didn’t see their kit yet
Irida has Mind Games 9 + her B Move gives -4 Sp. Def
Miraidon is overall better, yes
Well irida has mind-yeah
*any enemy affecting field effect.Not just wtz
I doubt they plan on doing something that only affects the enemy field
.....buff block already exists
.
No point in giving a recommendation that 99.9% chance they aren't planning on running
don't tempt dena
oh I understood at first Wally set fighting zone like Dana
what?
wally literally is weakened by having no zone
Before they even think about Buff Block, that person would think about giving Dark Zone to Zinnia or Psychic Terrain to Lear
Right? The ice zone for irida wouldn’t last long enough
So it's much easier to just focus on the WTZ
It's a trivial UB then
what if you are doing a funny clear like double Lear
I mean, they will fall pretty fast, yeah
he should be able to
If both Irida and Red are invested, time won't be a problem
steel eats Wally for breakfast pretty sure
Just make sure you have the debuffing pace
yep
I wonder who I will use with Palmer to beat Wally
So grid Irida correctly and you're fine
actually wait
I have a decent steel, I have sc Selene + lillie + 4/5 Steven
But
Arc Steven isnt enough SpD drops
Idk if that’s better than ice
Wally even has a steel weak side
still out of reach for the average f2p but far more reasonable than something like nemona
That would be worse
the traditional steel team might not cut it actually
how so?
i think steel can kill fast enough
It will
remember wally only has 400k hp
It will
You mean to me? For my steel team?
giga steel wrecks it
Worst case you finish by bruteforcing
Yes, Ice will perform better
Especially with Chase
oh wait
not only can steel kill before zone runs out, steel has fought bulkier ubs with tripled defenses before
That team is fine
the thing i was wondering was if arc steve would survive against the initial extremely heavily boosted attacks from wally
Also Wally has a funny quirk
then i forgot wally doesn't have piercing blows so he can endure
Since he uses the sync move from his sync pair, his sync buffs crit
I mean, if Steven doesn't survive, then what will lol
just run vigilance
that was part of my idea of why saying the traditional steel team might not work
but if he endures/initial guard then steel wrecks
Oh you need initial guard on blue?
No
best to have it, but you dont 100% need it
I mean Steven can completly survive that luster purge from that latios
In that one stage
Down to 9%
When I play it
not only can Steven flinch into b move to make opps +0, he also has endure and healing
They're talking about taking the battle with a team that doesn't have WTZ at the start
or you can just flinch
Ohhh ok
Your Ice team will always have WTZ up
is Wally flinchable
yes
Sailorola is no good vs Wally right?
Flinchable, but has Condition Nullification Extension 9
Your Ice team should be an easy clear
ice clears anyways
I see-alright
Also question
The new exteme battle right
Is it only boosted by paldea
If so I’m so screwed I only have 2 paldea units
And it’s probs going to be wise entry 3 on the miraudon one or whatever
- Main Character x4.0
- Paldea x4.0
EB?
You can use Main Character, which has quite abundance of strong pairs.
sst red be like "I'm right ehre."
feels like its time for rats again
feels like rats should be able to clear wally just fine
Rei is also MC so the fighting one will prob be fine if you have him.
Welcome to another How2 guide ft. Superawakened Anabel. I put in a lot of
commentary so I'm going to minimize the effort in the comments here
and update this description later with the grids used because I'm busy
for a few days after this.
Anabel's a character that's been close to my heart since her debut both as a character and for her gamep...
the deed is done, gentlemen
@snow spruce the Ingo/SS Cynthia clear is in there at the very end.
@final yacht "upgraded" your Noland clear
- gio clear is also there
nice lol
also have a sneaky surprise in the middle, lol
Yeah he’s not and thank goodness my ghost is terrible
i mean he's third frailest UB
Frail but hurts a lot
Tho if your preferred tank already got past Anabel before hopefully that should be sufficient for Wally
Btw even with ash’s kanto spirt (since there’s 3 kanto units on the normal broken eletric team) miraudon is better?
uhh
i haven't done Anabel yet 
They designed the difficulty around the power of that type.
Ghost is quite poor now so ghost ub is relatively easy. Steel is the strongest type in game so steel ub is a nightmare.
Dana is so funny for being built around steel pairs not many thought of for UB
Also her damage is meh
NC blue + SST Red by themselves are not enough spdef debuffs I think (?)
They might need MG2 or another spdef debuffer
yeah im fine w/ that
i have options
weirdly enough i can see irida coming back
like a repeat of my nita team
the spdef debuff requirements for Wally are similar to Nitas speed ones
if not greater ?
or i could drop in ssr cynthia and use sst red as a support for her
If ghost is about spdef drop, will bug about spatk drop?
she has MG9 and sst red is red
I think so yeah -SpAtk one of the Bug UB gimmicks
Please no
My bug unit is hilbert he doesn’t debuff that 😭
Well
I guess nc blue does but still
not a good spatk debuffer but youd have to use a secondary
Arc Alder: -6 team spatk in one turn.
immediate +12 spatk on tm
except I feel spdef buffs are more easily accessible
than speed drops
unless I'm mistaken
- he's also a lot squishier than Nita
yeah they are ofc. I'm only talking about raw numbers
Well Ima have to use irida for the sp debuffs
Hopefully her plus nc blue’s sync will be able to debuff special defense enoigh
For Wally
Bug is either Dahlia with Ludicolo or Red with Espeon right?
if your team naturally has lots of spdef drops than Wally is very easy
if not though - either bruteforce or mass MG2 and pray
lesser
nita is "if literally anything on her side fucking breathes she gains +1 speed"
wally only gains +1 spdef if the allies breathe
wally instead compensates by having much stronger attacks
if you think about it ub wally is just nita but easier
I personally disgaree, but most of the spdef dropping units literally only have chances to drop sp def
Nita also removes her debuffs on sync
but wally is just overall easier
and that to
wally instead compensates by making it impossible to survive post sync 2 unless you give all your units crit immunity
but that's like every ub anyways
except they only have a CHANCE to be impossible to survive
I don't think tm gives them speed?
It does I'm pretty sure
Nita is team fast track, so only attacks increase speed, the sides are pep rally so all moves increase speed
what about Wally fight? o.o
from what I'm looking at only the sides increase sp.def constantly
it's not a gimmick of the stage, but they also buff offensive stats
and their base offensive stats is pretty high
yeah they have the highest base offensive stats
Wall has +2 team spdef on entry and he and one side has X SpDef All
he also does +2 all stats on endure and after Mega he starts doing +1 spdef every turn himself
sooo, aggressive SP.DEF debuffing?
basically, NC Leaf gaming? o_o;
with Arc Steven?
wtz + debuffing which is already a pretty common one
or Summer Gardenia + Arc Steven? Hrm
Fairy team can easily do Wally
SM Gardenia is the best unit here
problem is my Summer Gardenia is 1R ;<
Yes
S. Gardenia + SSRC + AS Steven is the best "counter" team for Wally
Like I said, Summer Gardenia already fully counters all of Wally's gimmicks so yeah
But both of nita's tm increase speed (x speed and her tm)
I think only her sync doesn't increase speed
hum yeah i might have to use Move candies for Summer Gardenia somehow :x
Gardenia doesn't need more than 1/5
ohhh
hum okay. what's their HP and offenses though?
oh. that's actually... pretty solid.
does he get like the Nita TM where she got +4 SPD, but for him, +4 SP.DEF?
critical strike 5
You do want a nuker alongside gardenia for the actual dmg
nope
only dh+
SSR Cynthia for me.
You're good then
does DH+ drop before their 2nd sync?
I am gonna try a double Lear clear
Yes, post sync they also get+1 crit
and they have crit strike 5
Isn't it CS9?
I'm pretty sure most UBs have their pre-second sync crit buff TM as move 6, whereas Wally has his as move 5, possibly indicating that he uses DH+ before his first sync (not sure though)
Isn't that move 6 like near universally just before the second sync?
It is
A shitton of AoE
Literally every mon has AoE and the Slowbro literally has nothing but aoe iirc
400k. feels like i can just do Summer Gardenia, hold SSR Cynthia's SEUN, and then nuke? :O?
oh right it's that post mega
that would be far better for me
Looking at Wally's kit, he doesn't seem too bad. Like, just needing to lower Sp. Def and keep a WTZ up seems pretty easy for a lot of teams to do, unless I'm missing something lol
You'd need to consistently lower his Sp. Def.
True, but it doesn't seem like, Nita levels of having to keep pace, cause it looks like he gets +2 on entry and then +1 when his allies attack, but not himself?
He has X Sp. Def. All+
And gets another +2 Sp. Def. upon reaching the threshold
Ahhh I see. Also, since he Mega Evolves, would Team Wise Entry 2 proc again after his sync move?
Yes
Oof, okay yeah so maybe keeping Sp. Def low would be tricky
Oh yeah, that too
I kinda forgot he megas too
And he also removes all fields during the threshold
Yeah, Yarrdenia definitely seems like the intended counter, but even she only gets like, 4 zones I think
A Ghost Zone from her T Move, B Move, and Sync Move, and then Steel Zone from using Metal Sound, right?
Sync move is only if you EX her
Of course, I doubt anyone attempting this with her is gonna not have her EX'd lol
She's still 1/5 for me, and I was probably gonna use my next Support Cake on her anyways
I think 1/5 is plenty enough as long as you have a very goo aoe nuker to go with
Wally's hp is pretty low so you can do some quick battles
I do have 3/5 EXR SC Irida, so she'll probably work fine
i hate nemona
so how realistic is it to do Wally with SC Selene/SS Ingo/AS Steven
3-4-4 levels respectively, all caked.
Very I think that's a very good team against them
Regarding Wally UB
Is field effect have to be strictly zone or does it count terrain and weather too?
Any wtz
Every wtz. Even type dmg fields I believe.
I didn't check the description if it was entire field or on their side
I just noticed one of the side is steel weak. They're pulling this again.
Unaffected by Field Effect, so anything.
Wally doesn’t clear DF which us interesting
Just WTX
WTZ*
it makes sense since df isn't really something units get to resettle often
define best
How many DF setters do we even have
I can recall Bertha, Lodge Steven, Akari and Leon from the top of my head
Akari. The only infinite DF.
Arc Leon and Atticus too
Oh I thought they're first sync only. I'm wrong.
ah, Akari, forgot about her
she can at 5/5
I am NOT raising her
Though i Have penny + arc Steven so if I really want to I can use them with her lmao
Probs not worth it tho
Would be funny though
why are we going to the literal extreme of damage field
Nah I’m just joking lmao
Ima probs use my ice team
I’m just worried like
Ice zone isn’t going to last super long
If not I’ll use my fire team or Electric
using Guzma as a filler for Argenta cuz yes
Lmaoo it popped up here
Does Argenta ever clear rebuff?
At 50%.
So it seems I’ll have to save Steven sync for when she’s 50%
She probably needs Ex tho no?
Yeah
But hey, Argenta is an easier stage to bully.
Do also keep in mind that you need to change weather at 50%
oh hey I can see my own clear
time to try to bully with the other Guzma
You probably wouldn't need Luxray if you're using Miraidon
Arctagross and miraidon duo? XD
No, but you need someone to paralyse
Or poison (geeta maybe?)
Geeta works yeah
Only wait then. In palmer y only need rei pull and no morr UBs for me XD... until bug type UB
Bug type probably will be no easy. I can bet that it will be based on Arc suit bug
my Bugs are so bad
Bug has a lot of problems
5/5 Buzzma is peak based
buzzma cake when : (
I think it’s how fast it’s done
Oh okay
My Palmer duo never went live either 
Well I guess being duo means I took longer 
Once we get Clavell and Sprigatito imma try em out 
Oh my god I hate my luck now Sonia keeps getting critted by Argenta’s sync
THE SAME TIME IM TRYING TO RECORD IT
@stable tundra

gakon
im ngl i think almost anything can slot in there and work if arc steven and ss morty hard tank everything
Damn anabel got too many hands
Sweet more SC Sonia clear
IT DIDN'T CRIT
You’re not taking soften up on Cerena?
Two to go
Dana is still tied though 
No
I'm gonna submit this run later since it was done with 1/5 arc suits
I just realised, does this mean MR might also be my last UB finished? I'm not attempting him without 3/5 geeta which will take a while
further payment proof for mr being the wrost ub tbh
pretty sure a lot of people already do that
do you have Oleana
No lol
Why didn’t you?
Not enough energy to get the grid when I'm trying to stack as many sync move damage nodes and power play at the same time
Unless you were also taking the dark sync nodes you should’ve been able to take it
For any specific use or by mistake lel
Also i like how my attempts be like
Attempt 1: I get burnt early and have to stop
Attempt 2: I almost get their, but cerena gets burnt at the last moment and pops her endure from bulldoze (dies)
Attempt 3: I'm tanking anabel's sync, but after getting angpaos from the family I'm visiting I forget to set up sandstorm after sync and anabel gets a shitton of HP instantly so i have to restart
MOAR DAMAGE
And also leftover from super sparring
I wish sc sonia had higher attack
She’s still the unit I use
For grass
So my grass is meh cause sonia is pretty old
She got a whole bunch of multipliers to make up for that atk
But speaking from experience her at 1/5 leaves a lot to be desired
Yeah her gauge is genuinely so bad
have multipliers based on the amount of gauge
350+ speed

Maybe with 4/5 Steven it could work but I honestly doubt it
I would need to kill before that sync since Whitney only gets 3 terrain uses, I don't think that's happening 😭
Do we know what Ultimate Battle Wally is like?
He's on the sheet and the pastebin https://pastebin.com/aWRK3EYc
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just gamble off metronome ez
look, dena needs to make sure we can't just luck our way to the finish
even though nemona UB exists
Thanks
F.roxanne will be fun
frogxanne
I assume that I’d need to grab Befuddle for SS Ingo vs Wally
sucks cuz it’s just not convenient
too much energy which is sad
SSRC
well she's only 1/5
Sigh.. I was hoping SSA Gio’s take all effect would work against Palmers max move 
Stop it with the skull emoji
I really want to see palmer post max move
There is a clear with SS Mina like that
Crit shield my goat do you have a link
Lmaoo I tried to do it like that
Only Steven got to live to tell the tale

me when the stage doesn’t have resilience
still not something I’d want to see in rally tho
Ok so... Is Wally's whole deal just "lmao yarrdenia"?
Field and debuff spdef and offenses
And then slot in your preferred attacker
which stage?
just the new battle challenge nothing special
oh
round 2 ofc
the pal event?
yea
what checks and conditions for those?
go open the stage and you’ll see
so summer gardenia?
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY EBE
next month
i cant do them
@final yacht
So Wally UB wants WTZ + constant Sp Def debuffs?
Is there anything else?
Alright, thanks!
why? Usually crit buff is on turn 12
His sync is wally's sync
So it buffs his sync by 1
Or at least it should
I suspect that's why he got CS9 too
i dont know if that carries over to enemy NPC syncs.
otherwise they would have innate sync multipliers/effects like playable pairs do, but they dont (?)
we know it does from the super sparring
arc cynthia got +2 PMUN and arc steven got synchro healing from their syncs
Also, Lucy UB has the poison innate, Darach should have the Attack drops innate (tho he can't drop it in the UB stage so it's useless), Nemona has her Speed innate
So Wally should have +1 crit, and it would make sense with CS9
Every sync that isn't beam/impact has the same effects as the playable ones

Nemona UB has Inertia innate ..? 
Yup yup
You can see this the most in CS, but here and there other battles have it as well
Yeah the more I look at wally's stuff the more I think it's really angling for Summer Gardenia
SpDef debuffs are mandatory, there's 2 Atk/SpAtk from sync teamwide and all stats +2 on 60%
And then you need a big, probably special, attacker and a tank
I'm probably gonna end up looking at SS Morty/Yarrdenia/SC Irida
I see Ty
I forgot unextended WTZ experience is just kinda ass lol
Cool
Dmg rolls are something
Solo dps Deoxys vs nemona thanks to milo 
One message removed from a suspended account.
Should be
I remember seeing a clear with him
You just need the gimmick checks obviously
Oh they have higher defense?
Ah right lol
Hoping I get Eri from the tickets
Hoping I get anything from the tickets
imagine no 3/5 or 10/5 ss wally
what ticket?
100 free pulls
is that a confirmed thing alreadY/
Yes
the pulls start on the 17th

who needs tanks
i'm thinking about taking another shot at nemona
Ummmm actually, Bianca was a tank because of her circle and she has support EXR too 
I was trying to test Gloria's EXR and beat Noland without MFs
Thanks to a lucky Bounce miss 
so closeeeeeee
forgot to mention, levels are 1-3-4
all caked
this is more of an Atticus showcase with the damage reduction
changing up my N grid
this will prob drive me crazy but I’m gonna be trying this
Atticus def helps a lot cuz otherwise N dies at second sync; tried him with the Steven/Eri duo already which flopped
still need a lot of Steven RNG; Atticus being 1/5 means he can’t heal much
argh
when and how are they curing poison
unless I just mistimed that
DONE
Finally I beat Nita, she's the last UB I completed and now I've cleared all and free 
Nita was the hardest UB for me because I'm in race against her rising speed 

congratulations @valid onyx
THANKIES XD IT WAS PAINFUL BUT WE'VE DONE IT YIPPIEEEEEEEEEE 

