Champion Stadium

[old orchid]

we have param presets in the pins, so use them as the base

[cold kestrel]

My sycamore is ex’ed, is that fine?

[old orchid]

thats even better

[cold kestrel]

Alright

So I could just use the teams I used for hard mode?

[old orchid]

these teams are fine

do you have power boosted Solgaleo? he is way better than Raihan

[cold kestrel]

Yeah I got him

[old orchid]

use him then

[cold kestrel]

Oh wait I just noticed, meant to type isnt. Still fine?

[dark osprey]

still ok for 850 points for sure

[cold kestrel]

Should I replace roxxane with a support who buffs attack since I’m going with solgaleo?

[old orchid]

Solgaleo maxes atk by himself

replace Roxanne with a defensive tank

[dark osprey]

Actually can get someone who buffs at least a single crit if not gridded for sharp entry

[old orchid]

do you have Colress?

[cinder summit]

Colress & Klinklang

Acquisition:

General Pool
Ticket Scout (Unova)
Ticket Scout

Alternates:

None

[cold kestrel]

Yeah i do 1/5

[dark osprey]

1/5 Coloress gets the job done but just needs some gauge. Probably could add in a gridded Marley for speed as well

[old orchid]

perfect. he can buff crit and debuff defense for Solgaleo (just paralyze the target, then use Mirror Shot)

[old orchid]

Skyla is perfect as well

[dark osprey]

Ah yeah Coloress can buff crit too. And 850. No need to take -2 gauge right? Then yeah

[old orchid]

most of time its a free parameter

[cold kestrel]

Should I get Mina to 4 stars?

[old orchid]

yes

[cold kestrel]

These are fine then?

I could replace irida too

Just placed her there since I didn’t know who to add

[old orchid]

Irida has anti synergy with Adaman, you should replace her with a Grass dmg dealer, preferably someone can take advantage of sun

do you have 2+/5 Brendan or SS Erika?

[cold kestrel]

No i dont

Before I would usually use decidueye

[old orchid]

Decidueye is fine

[mellow linden]

Basically any Grass damage-dealer is a better alternative to direct anti-synergy

[verbal karma]

...well, I really wanna do 15k points, tho

[dark osprey]

That's good. Can start trying the teams so you would understand first hand where there are pain points

[verbal karma]

...I mean, I still don't know who to pick for R1

[rich needle]

What are you doing rn

[trail smelt]

Is this the special water weak stadium?

[verbal karma]

Yes

Pasio CS

[trail smelt]

Well just looking at their moves I think Olivia is the only one where it’s gonna be useful because she’s the one that spams physical the most

[verbal karma]

Problem: I was told to go R2 for Olivia instead

[trail smelt]

It’s fine it doesn’t reallly make a big difference

[verbal karma]

...well, it makes one for me

What also doesn't help that I also got recommended R3 for Olivia

That means that I now got three different round suggestions for Olivia

and that's two suggestions too many

[grave wyvern]

You might need to do trial and error to see what works for you

For 15k there's only so much that advice can help

[grave wyvern]

If I can be blunt, if you can't work out which team to use for each parameter then 15k might not be for you

Start with 5-7k, maybe, and trial the parameters with your teams

[rich needle]

R2 is incredible for Olivia since it’s the only one where it doesn’t hurt you

The physical shield is alright but really isn’t that useful by comparison

[north crown]

I second this. Even though you may have played for a while, if you still can't figure out what to do with parameters, then idk if you're even up for the optimization needed for 15k.

Well maybe if you got some overpowered units/teams then you could POTENTIALLY go breaindead for A FEW CLEARS; otherwise, tough luck.

[wide adder]

So is the bug stage just really bulky or did I just ram my Gilbert into wisex2

[old orchid]

the stage doesnt have Entry x2 gimmick

so might be param issue

[wide adder]

Cause that took a lot longer to kill than I expected with alder 1/5 Gilbert 4/5 and proton 2/5 all ex

I was using my static 3k params as I usually have been doing

Waiting till I find a stage that I can’t brute force on these params to modify them

[old orchid]

Physical Dmg Reduction is free

i think you can increase atk and reduce HP

[wide adder]

Ik but not all my teams are special and I like being lazy

[old orchid]

wait your team has no mean to cure paralysis

[wide adder]

Proton natural remedy or whatever. But yeah second para stuck

But it wasn’t hindering my dps since I had the fast gauge stage condition

[old orchid]

paralysis might cancel attacks tho

[wide adder]

Does the para on that stage spread to the dps?

[old orchid]

if Hau uses Discharge, yes

[wide adder]

Hm. Good to know for the future then.

Still cleared just wasn’t as fast as I expected

[old orchid]

you can use Marley, her TM has status shield and one of the round params is perma field

ah thats nice

[wide adder]

I had used Marley earlier on my fighting team

Had redlax and Bea so just threw a speed buffer on the team

I do have a bad habit now to ignore my non ex pairs a lot of the time now so I ended up exing elio this week to remember he exists for some teams lol. Decided I’ll start doing a couple random exs here and there so I don’t forget about some decent value utility slots

[silver dirge]

I mean it's pretty natural for a stage to be that bulky if you've got so much strength & HP stacked together. There's several free parameters you could pick up instead in there, your first point of call should be to adjust those before deeming the stage bulky

[wide adder]

I just was surprised cause I’m used to seeing my Gilbert oneshot on type. Although I guess the clear speed is fair when I lack a field effect for bug dmg I oneshot electric stages when I use his techno blast there but I saved him for bug this week

[vast dome]

I think Malva's the hardest one to start with

Already thinking of my Leaf team

May, SS Kris (which seems like overkill, but I don't have either Greninja) and someone else

[silver dirge]

If you're intending to on-type all or most of the stages you may want to separate your rain setters depending on how many you've got

[vast dome]

I got Winona, May, SS Kris, a shiny Vaporeon, a shiny Blastoise

That seems to be more than enough

I got 3/4 pairs

[dark osprey]

Honestly with 3K this special CS, feel that it's been better to do two damage dealers than get those rain setters that just set rain and sit there. Does anyone feel the same?

For eg. Using Lodge Rosa and Lodge Silver went much more smoothly than using them individually with rain

Probably because of the synergy but there's others like Siebold and Cyrus or striker gyarados

[silver dirge]

Either way would work, it really just depends on what pairs you've got, their move levels & other relevant investment. And like you said how well the two synergise in terms of support options & multipliers

[verbal karma]

Even if I did 5-7k, I still wouldn't be able to work out which team to use for each paramater

Because I am just indecisive in general

[grave wyvern]

that isn't anything people in this chat can help you with

there is no right answer for the parameter question, remember that - just go with what you think is best

worst case is, you need to restart. no biggie

[vast dome]

My water pairs

[verbal karma]

it...kinda is a biggie for me

I wanna do this without restarting

[manic kiln]

and you ended up trying again over and over again for just 1 fight, wasting several hours everytime restart is still a better option at that point
we can't make the decision for you, just choose a round and do it, even if we choose the round for you and somehow you couldn't clear there's nothing we can do

[verbal karma]

damn, apparently, the Archie team I have planned for NC Leaf is a bad choice, too

now I literally don't have anything anymore

at this point, I will never beat the Pasio CS

[manic kiln]

and some general advices, don't be afraid to make investments sometimes, stronger pairs = easier time getting clear, and you get your rewards back, don't hoard too many resources when you're stucked and worry about high score or future events too far away
all the invesments you made will still be useful for future contents when we know at least they will do high score and CS for all types, and future ebe, ultimate...

[verbal karma]

sadly, my resources are too limited for me to be not afraid to make investments

I can't really afford myself to invest on sync pairs just for this Pasio CS, not if I have a HSE to worry about as well

[manic kiln]

exing 1-2 pairs for hard contents is nothing, or you rather not clearing at all, you want 15k then make some invesments, if not settle for 7k, 10k...

it's not for this CS only, supports will always be used for many types of contents, and you might need them for future ebes and battle challenges
an example is og Hau, used in a lot of alola stages, useful for CS too if you don't have other busted units

[verbal karma]

I do have Hau EX'd, actually

[silver dirge]

While it's relevant, content like HSE, 15K CSMM, long LG streaks is a point where you need to be confident with the ins & outs of the game-mode. They should not be at the point of extreme hand-holding and people needing to help you every step of the way, an example being round parameters or basic stage gimmicks. Sure, asking for tips & advice here & there is well-welcomed & encouraged but you've been doing CS long enough to have a fundamental understanding of these things & decide for yourself. If you struggle this strongly every week, it's not something we can help with

[mellow linden]

You can just drop the points a bit, you only need 11k points total for the universal candy coin and everything past that is minor

And I'm talking "not even a week of Hard Mode CS rewards" minor, it's 20 spirits, 10 powerup tickets, and 2 certificates of excellence after 11k

[steel kelp]

You constantly talk about the rewards because you need them when they’re hardly that much more

You’re causing yourself more of a headache constantly worrying about max points

[weak sleet]

For the special stadium I was thinking of using the frogs against leaf. Then for malva I was going to use SS Misty, may, and ss suicune. For the other opponents can I off type them or do I need to use something like Archie?

These are my water pairs

[steel kelp]

You have enough to make teams for everyone

[silver dirge]

Are you not using (base) Kris? She's amazing

[steel kelp]

Lodge rosa is a very funny unit to use and strong

Like all the lodge water pairs are good

[silver dirge]

Nessa & May too, EX'd as well

[weak sleet]

Yeah they are ex because of that previous water event

[steel kelp]

unrelated note why are there so many lodge pairs that are water

[silver dirge]

Time for them to shine then

Of course you can offtype (or poison stall) if you want to, it's just that you have great invested on-type options already

[weak sleet]

Any ideas to help build up teams around them?

[steel kelp]

It also doesn’t help water has plenty of options even excluding limited

[silver dirge]

Me when Lodge May is legit just budget May

[weak sleet]

I have champion calem too for the record, well technically all master fairs except Steven.

[silver dirge]

It's best if you form some teams first & then post here for feedback - center them around the damage dealer & the buffs/multipliers they need. Your roster sounds like it should be pretty smooth sailing

[weak sleet]

Uh does anyone know how I view the pins on this new discord?

I'm trying to find the info graphic

[silver dirge]

Mobile?

[weak sleet]

Yeah

[silver dirge]

It's under channel settings

[weak sleet]

Oh dear it's way up there hidden

[steel kelp]

Don’t you love changes nobody asked for

[weak sleet]

VS Olivia: Nessa?
VS Flint: SS Misty, May, SS Kris
VS Shauntal: Kris
VS Malva: Archie
VS Leaf: Frogs

I was thinking something like this but I'm totally unsure on the order best to battle opponents.

I believe flint and malva are going to be the worst ones, since Shauntal and Olivia are very old opponents.

So maybe for malva I should pull out ss bede?

[old orchid]

i would bring a defensive support on Malva stage, because she has many dangerous moves

[weak sleet]

Ah so ss blue or sonia

[old orchid]

for round order, the recommended choice is fighting Olivia on R2 - SpAtk getting boosted - because the other 3 stages use special mostly and Olivia exclusively uses physical movves

[weak sleet]

Oh yeah that's a good point

I will be in big trouble if I didn't do her second

[left storm]

You want an insta rain setter for leaf

Calem won't cut it easily

[weak sleet]

Who instantly sets rain?

[left storm]

Any rain setter but calem

Egg quaxly, egg Vaporeon, egg blastoise, sskris, Winona, may

SS mina too

[weak sleet]

Oh I guess it will be Winona I was using SS Kris and may elsewhere

And Archie too

[left storm]

Winona + cerena + free support slot is free

Since rain is endless on leafs stage

[vast dome]

Based on this, who should I use as the strikers and which order do I go?

[left storm]

I'd take care of malva immediately as she's the hardest of the 4

[silver dirge]

Yeah I agree, get her out of the way & do Olivia R2

[rose prism]

any chance to 3k clear leaf?

I am surprised how hard she is, Marnie and Blue were basically free wins in champion stadium

[silver dirge]

They're still free wins

Are you struggling with that team there ^ ?

[rose prism]

yes

[old orchid]

look like you are lacking a spdef debuffer

[silver dirge]

Do you have SS Brendan or Penny?

[rose prism]

yep

[silver dirge]

Replace Blue with Brendan, keep Winona for sun disable

You're triple queueing consistently & syncing with the EX support first, yes?

[rose prism]

will try that

[silver dirge]

If you still don't manage let me know I'll record a clear with C!Marnie

[sonic blaze]

is there a best/easiest order for the special stadium this time around?

[silver dirge]

It's pretty much just do Olivia R2

Since everyone else is primarily special and will benefit off the Special Moves powered up parameter

[sonic blaze]

thx

[silver dirge]

I would recommend getting Malva out of the way first on R1, she's the most difficult stage

[sonic blaze]

thx x2, and malvas are always scary, don't remember the magmortar sp atk variant... but the talonflame 1 shotting my supports have been annoying in the past lol

thx for the advice

[silver dirge]

Np feel free to pop in if you need any pointers

[rose prism]

which parameter would you use?

[silver dirge]

Personally would take max offense, all the power on hits, every other parameter you can pick up that works for your team, then fill the rest with strength

[weak sleet]

Thanks I'll do that

What do I do for malva?

[vast dome]

Use lots of rain

For Leaf, once you use weather, for "field effects are permanent", the weather stays

Until she changes it to sunny of course

[old orchid]

Leaf only setup sun on entry

[old orchid]

she hits quite hard, so use a specially defensive tank

and change the sun, ofc

[vast dome]

Ah, I'll use May, and not sure who else I can use

[rose prism]

lol that was way to close

[vast dome]

I had SS Kris pencilled in for Leaf, but given I have a rain setter, I should probably use for someone else

Someone like Malva

[silver dirge]

Did it work?

Ay

Congrats

[rose prism]

yes thx

[silver dirge]

Marnie still got that endure, you had another hit in you

[rose prism]

but it was super rng in the end. protected, flinched and then got 2 attacks in to finally get Leaf down

[left storm]

Marnie endure ftw

[rose prism]

yes

she needed that endure

[left storm]

gets burned

[sonic blaze]

there we go, felt nasty r4 but couldnt get nessa to work

[mellow linden]

Eh, if it works it works

[sonic blaze]

when that kanto trio doesn't work, we'll be experiencing a whole new level of powercreep lol

[weak sleet]

I might pull out my rats too just because it makes it easy.

[rotund lagoon]

If you have the eggmon rain setters, you can slap them as third slots for damage boosts (for your Water teams)

[weak sleet]

Which ones are those? I don't really have any eggs leveled but I have a few.

[rotund lagoon]

Check your daycare too

[weak sleet]

Thanks I'll do that

[wide adder]

Dang just noticed our info ends literally the day before ny so no clues to the ny units

[verbal karma]

Most water stages are easy enough to not need much investment imo it’s mainly the champion fight team that you might need some invested stuff
( @wide adder )
well, my intended champion team was going to be Siebold/Archie/SS Brendan (with the latter two already EX'd), but apparently, that's a bad idea

[warped token]

anyone find the fire stadium a little hard cause

holy

finally finished but like it took me MANY tries

[wide adder]

Fire stadium? What fire stadium?

[warped token]

This one

Then again I did go for max points

[wide adder]

That’s water stadium not fire lol

[warped token]

Sorry, I flipped it around because they were all using fire types

Whoops

[hearty lynx]

ElesaZebstrika is pretty fun with her expanded grid

[vast dome]

Why do Olivia as Round 2

[undone ether]

Olivia doesnt have any special moves. So you can demolish her with your special strikers/techs there. if that's for the Pasio Stadium i mean.

[vast dome]

Okay

[dark osprey]

Not necessarily with special damage dealers but all the other rounds have some damaging special moves

[silver dirge]

Yeah it's to avoid the opponent's special moves getting powered up by the round param, Olivia is primarily physical. You do not need to use special moves to clear R2

[vast dome]

Kris is good

[crystal notch]

how do I deal with r4 malva?

[old orchid]

replace sun and try to clear before Will o Wisp

[crystal notch]

ugh

can't flinch bot everyone reliably so far

ok yeah I have no idea how to deal with r4 malva

grimsley is not doing well

[old orchid]

what is your team and params?

[crystal notch]

This is with Winona SSACynthia SSGrimsley

The cope is to flinch everyone

I tried sing with meloetta too instead of ssa cynthia (swapping around some params, notably allowing to take up no weather)

But usually the issue is AoE kills ss grimsley

Missing a flinch or a sleep at any time gets everyone AoEd

[old orchid]

hmm SS Grimsley doesnt get right buffs quickly in that team

[crystal notch]

yep, also tried some form of hilbert winona ss grimsley

[old orchid]

i would replace SSA Cynthia with another support who can help Grimsley buffing +3 crit +6 atk +6 speed

[crystal notch]

but that didn't work out either

[old orchid]

yeah Malva hits real hard

have you used Sonia?

[crystal notch]

mmm gimme a moment

nope

but she's 2/5, EX

I'm tempted to do something stupid like offtype SSA Cynthia Steoxys Meloetta, and basically just abuse r4 and sync to death

[crimson jewel]

[crystal notch]

but then we will be having problems with Leaf...?

[crimson jewel]

I leave my best pairs for last

[old orchid]

i recommend planning for Leaf first

[crimson jewel]

Same problem here buddy

[crystal notch]

hilbert currently dies in like, 3 hits, even with endurance

[old orchid]

also using double support in Steven's comp is wasteful

[crystal notch]

yeah it's stupid for a reason

I was planning to nuke Leaf with Steoxys

but now, uh

[crimson jewel]

I tried using tech blastoise,nessa and Sonia but it didn't work out

[old orchid]

hows your other dmg dealers?

[old orchid]

which params did you try using? and is Nessa fully gridded?

[crystal notch]

still have a lot in store

#1012311116778586182 message

currently only used cyrus may and nessa and irida and sneasel

[crimson jewel]

Yup I tried for 1.5 points ig

[crystal notch]

there's always the stupid option of joining malva in using her sun

and using silver + mayziken + ss acerola

[old orchid]

you should check the pins for recommended 1/5k sets, then adjust it to fit into your team

[crystal notch]

but with 3k, I need to take mixed params? wait I can just use phys for both

but yes, acerola will die in no time at all

[old orchid]

wait you havent used Kris, right?

[crystal notch]

no...uh, she is 1/5 though

I'm guessing something like kris + sc steven + winona?

[old orchid]

i must be blind i thought she was 3/5

hmm that team doesnt have crit buffs, and 1/5 Kris is bad

how about trying Meloetta + SS Grimsley + Winona? with post sync params

[crystal notch]

can try that out

which one do I sacrifice?

the flinch immunity

or the sleep immunity?

or keep both

and compensate with crazy sync cooldowns/atk?

[old orchid]

they dont stack together so i would remove the sleep immunity

[crystal notch]

so in conclusion: sleep abuse, sacrifice flinches

I'll be honest

I have no idea what params to add on

to the 2.5k params

max sync countdown -2?

[old orchid]

use the post sync params in the pins

ah, its not recommended to click Grimsley's TM

[crystal notch]

pins only go to 2.5k right

[old orchid]

yes, because 3k is heavily reliant on teams

[crystal notch]

hmm what's the best way to do this?

do I add max hp?

no way

[old orchid]

go to the second link -> copy On-type Post sync set

[crystal notch]

I already did Gakon

[old orchid]

this made me confused lol

[crystal notch]

unless you're telling me to give up the 500 points?

[old orchid]

oh you were asking about adding pts to 3k

[crystal notch]

yep

[old orchid]

how about adding power on hit and some strengths?

[crystal notch]

already did

took every strength I could

and took every power on hit

problem is, I still need to close a 200 gap

[old orchid]

have you picked no stat reduction? and maybe sync buff up

oh wait, i forgot about Malva having Will o Wisp...

this sounds crazy, but you can use Grimsley's TM after Malva's sync, to cure burn and add some evasion for dodging aoe moves later

[crystal notch]

alrighty will try

whoopsie

malva's sync just nuked everyone

[old orchid]

are you okay with poison stalling?

[crystal notch]

...on MALVA?!

[old orchid]

with a good tank, i think its entirely possible

[crystal notch]

hmm, I think I'll just settle for 14.5k

[old orchid]

Dont stress yourself over difficult stages too much

[crystal notch]

Sorry, accidentally left ping on

Just have bad experience with the game crashing during poison stall

[old orchid]

Oof

[silver dirge]

[old orchid]

his TM cant kill himself

[silver dirge]

Defense 4 is your biggest downfall, under no circumstances should you be taking any defense if you intend to pre-sync

The only time you should have Defense is if you're poison stalling, that's it

[old orchid]

idk how i didnt notice of that

[silver dirge]

12 STR 4 Def

[clever bronze]

What’s a good 3k offtype parameters?

[silver dirge]

Check the guide in the pins

[clever bronze]

For pasio stadium

Ok

[silver dirge]

We can't give you a static parameter set, it'll depend on your team & the stage

[clever bronze]

I have most meta pairs

[silver dirge]

That changes nothing, ideal params would still depend on the team at hand

[crystal notch]

Then how do I swap it out

No stat reduction moment?

[undone ether]

Power on hit 1 & 2.

[crystal notch]

It's already turned on!

Well, not in the screenshot

[old orchid]

the team has no debuff, so yes go get it

and PoH as well

[silver dirge]

Yeah, you should utilise all params you can pick up for free

[crystal notch]

Ok thoughts?

[silver dirge]

But in general, that's kind of the issue with post sync parameters @ 3k. You either need some sort of denial so they don't hit you too often (due to Power on Hit) or you need to forego those 300 points, which would have to go into more bulk

[silver dirge]

What's the team btw?

[manic kiln]

for some reasons many players are afraid to pick PoH but brave enough to pick hp and def

[silver dirge]

Yeah, dunno why I don't think I've ever had a parameter set without PoH

[keen jasper]

Because they'd rather spam moves

[manic kiln]

you just have to kill them fast enough and PoH doesn't matter anymore

[silver dirge]

I'd personally reduce some Strength & take some offense, but this should overall work granted it doesn't impede your team

[silver dirge]

Rip, you need a better offensive support for Grimsley

[crystal notch]

amongst other issues: grimsley doesn't get enough atk if all we do is sing

[manic kiln]

grimsley you don't have anyone else

[crystal notch]

See this msg

For list of possibilities

Cyrus and May are spent though

[manic kiln]

May? nessa? if you haven't used them or save them for later

[crystal notch]

And Nessa

[crystal notch]

^

[manic kiln]

[silver dirge]

Do you have something planned for Leaf?

[crystal notch]

Steoxys nuke

If that doesn't work

[silver dirge]

Well you should probably give him NC Rosa then. If you want to use Grimsley here give him a better physical support

Hilbert is ideal

[crystal notch]

Hilbert keeps dying!

[manic kiln]

hilbert can't really tank special stage tho should've used him in olivia or shauntal

[silver dirge]

Ah this is Malva

This is why you usually prioritise the harder stages first

[manic mica]

Hello I accidently deleted my 3k preset

can someone give me theirs

[crystal notch]

SSA Cynthia isn't strong enough

(?)

[silver dirge]

With Grimsley? You need to actually buff Grimsley & his TM is far from viable

I figure Cynthia can probably tough it out but she's also fire weak

[keen jasper]

How about my 4k parameters?

[manic mica]

works, but add 3k one as well

[keen jasper]

Actually, my 4k params will vary

[crystal notch]

Guess I overestimated SS Grimsley

[trail smelt]

He can still hit hard but yeah he needs buffs

[trail smelt]

Nothin of note this week

Can’t make next week’s lol, waiting for datamine

Money’s on a Hard level CS

[silver dirge]

Bring out the Sinnoh cowards

[dark osprey]

Honestly, if Grimsley is gridded for First Aid 4, his TM could be used. Moreso if half HP parameter is used he doesn't lose much HP. But yeah Grimsley is kinda low on damage and needs external speed buffs for his nuke as well mostly. Egg Quaxley does help with that if desperate

[twin field]

I unlocked master CS

[swift swan]

HI

Once again i forgot it's a Monday and I should update params

[paper summit]

what a slacker, smh

[swift swan]

i have nothing to say for myself

[paper summit]

you can always play the christmas card

today that is

[swift swan]

Updated

The fact that my CS still has a ❗ because I haven't done Water CS does Not help my case

And yeah, christmas

[paper summit]

what Gauntlet does to a mf

[crystal notch]

Well, gave up on SS Grimsley and 2.5k-d it

So, it seems like getting some max hp when reducing strength is worth it?

[swift swan]

If your nuker is good, yes

But generally strength is easier to presync

[crystal notch]

Interesting

[swift swan]

*as long as you don't stack 12 or something

[crystal notch]

Because the 2.5k params in pins stacks all strength

And usually I only add to the preset

Instead of tweaking it

I guess that's why my 3k has been failing

But eh, I beat NC Leaf by going hyperoffensive abusing darkrai

[silver dirge]

Your params should always be tweaked for your team first, before you add anything

[crystal notch]

Yeah, lesson learnt

#1095931089173885010 message
These are the parameters, though, which is why I was surprised it worked to begin with

Would this have worked without the status condition buff?

Can I repeat this in another CS?

[silver dirge]

Sure, as long as there's no stage specific gimmick stopping it from working

The rest looks pretty standard

[crystal notch]

Understood!

Hmmm in that case

I'll start drafting team for 15k alola cs

Question: is xerneas horn leech + silver solar beam enough for kukui 3k

[silver dirge]

There are most definitely better options but yes, it should work with the right params

[crystal notch]

Oh wait nvm I'm dumb I forgot I have mallow

[silver dirge]

SS Erika, Mallow, Brendan

[crystal notch]

Kukui:
SS Acerola + Mallow + Tank?

Acerola:
SC Steven + SSR Giratina + Sonia (?)

Kahili:
Giovanni + CBede + ?

R3 Hala: (the follies of not having a fave fairy striker when will NY Lisia return, no I don't like granbull)
SS Steven + Darkrai + Lucian

Olivia:
Solgaleo/Kgrimsley? + ???????

Is using this guy a good idea, or is he another SS Grimsley in disguise

[twin field]

Whats everyone doing for R1

[dark osprey]

He's actually good but need to use him slightly differently. Personally go for 2 screeches, TM and first sync ohko mid. Then metal burst against one side. The third you'd probably need to iron head in

[swift swan]

Pretty sure that's our postsync strat and we have multiple presets

It's near impossible to make an all-encompassing preset guide for 3k now

[crystal notch]

Makes sense

[swift swan]

Every grimsley is a gamble tbh

[crystal notch]

Huh wait 2.5k presync doesn't stack all strength?

[swift swan]

But kimono grimsley is worth the gamble if you get the rotation right

[crystal notch]

have I mismemorized

[swift swan]

It's a bit difficult to presync through strength 12

Our presync params have a less bulk version (pretty sure it was called the masochist version at some point) with full attack, and one with more bulk version (attack 1+3, a bit more strength)

[crystal notch]

Oh it skips strength 2

That's what I've been missing

[crystal notch]

Yeah I think I saved the preset of the latter

And after being back from the break never adjusted back

[crystal notch]

Anyways, round thoughts?

I'll have to figure out who to run alongside solgaleo/kgrimsley

Should I run double dps

[dark osprey]

Felt that hala, Olivia, acerola, kahili was a decent order for my teams

[swift swan]

Ss acerola tanks fine. Do you have a grassy terrain unit? Egg leafeon maybe?

[swift swan]

Mina or Lodge Lillie can probably do 3k Hala with the right params, if you wanna give that a try

I don't think you need move gauge accel for Acerola if you're running that team. Save it for Olivia, a lot of steel types are slow

[crystal notch]

Probably can find one...

Oh wait I don't

Wasn't playing during the egg event probably

[crystal notch]

Will do that, and ensure my Steel types don't screw me over

Probably do Olivia R1 though

Since my steel types are very slow

[twin field]

Who is good r1?

[mellow linden]

Assuming you’re talking about regular CS, none of the round parameters are very impactful

[twin field]

Yeah regular master

[twin field]

Do i have to worry about types for master?

[paper summit]

if you have master mode unlocked then you can do whatever

[twin field]

Or is that only for hard

Oh cool

[grim lotus]

can i get some help

for both stadiums available rn

[twin field]

ok just did master on 850

progress is being made, i am understanding the game a bit more finally

[rich needle]

you need to provide more context than that

[grim lotus]

i cant upload my screenshots here

to show my pairs

[rich needle]

why not

and also theres a tracker thing

[grim lotus]

idk?

it doesnt let me

[grim lotus]

what

[rich needle]

@old orchid what the tracker thing called?

its a manual thing

[sharp willow]

+tracker

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[rich needle]

youd have to manually update it but

ah thenks

[grim lotus]

ughhhhhhhhhhh

[rich needle]

i need to learn bot commands one day

[grim lotus]

alright

[rich needle]

[sharp willow]

yeah i feel that

[grim lotus]

wish i could just upload the screenshots

why am i the only one who cant

[rich needle]

i thoght this channel was exempt from that but if you keep talking you get a role that lets you do that

[silver dirge]

You should have image perms here

[mellow linden]

You need to go get the Trainer role from the Channels and Roles section at the very top of the channel list, then you can post images here

[silver dirge]

Oh nevermind then

[mellow linden]

You should’ve been given it automatically, but sometimes it bugs out

[silver dirge]

Ah they're missing the actual Trainer role, that checks out

[grim lotus]

aight, thanks flynn from xenoblade

i also have all the eevees

with mc

dunno if they might be useful, i didnt screenshot them

[tulip python]

What’s the preferred order for the Water Champion stadium

Or “suggested”

[silver dirge]

Just do Olivia R2 that's it

[tulip python]

Gtk

[silver dirge]

It may be a good idea to get Malva out of the way first, she's the hardest stage

[grim lotus]

what's r2

[silver dirge]

Round 2 - Special Moves are powered up

This is for Pasio CS

[grim lotus]

cs?

😭

cygna suit

[sharp willow]

champion stadium

[grim lotus]

lmao

[grim lotus]

so uhhh can someone help me...

these are the ones i have and uhhhh

uhhhh

[nova imp]

is it just me or is cs really easy after 2 months

like I came back 4 months ago and Ive been using the same team for almost a month straight

[wide adder]

We aren’t at the harder regions tbf

Kanto and alola are basically cs with training wheels on compared to some others

[nova imp]

true

unova was harder

[rich needle]

You still need more context

The whole thing?

You’re starting from ground zero?

Have you checked the team building and cs parameters and tried them?

[grim lotus]

wdym

[rich needle]

Have you done zero battles

[grim lotus]

i've reset both stadiums

i could beat them yeah but i barely reached 4k in total

[grim lotus]

yeah?

[rich needle]

You’ve

Done parameter for 4k in normal cs

Okay

Let’s see here

[grim lotus]

no in hard master

or whatever it is called dont remember

[rich needle]

It’s master mode

Champion stadium master mode

[grim lotus]

yeah

that one

[rich needle]

I call it the normal cs since we currently have 2 right now

[grim lotus]

OOH ok

i want to reach 15k in both of them

[rich needle]

Well honestly idk how possible it’ll be for our special stadium that one’s pretty difficult so just let it go

As for this one, weeeeell

I’ll see what I can do

[grim lotus]

damn

[rich needle]

So does ur solgaleo have power boost

[rich needle]

@grim lotus poke

[grim lotus]

yes

i did the event

[rich needle]

Mkay then do hop solgaleo and Steven and use the 3k params from the list in our pin

Well start from 2.5 obviously

Oh I may have overestimated Steven though

If it don’t work I’ll browse the catalogue(kek) for something better

No hop ex is awful what in the

Hm

@grim lotus can you try mina kris and Archie on hala

[grim lotus]

im trying...but i dont have resources...

[rich needle]

Ye so don’t do that

[grim lotus]

uh?

[rich needle]

Do mina kris and Archie

Tapu fini

On hala

[grim lotus]

kris feraligatr?

dont have the grid ready for both her and hala tho but i can try

getting them ready

[rich needle]

Are you making decent headway or is that a dead end as well

[grim lotus]

what's decent headway

[rich needle]

Are you dying at like 3/4 hp done to boss or 1/4 @grim lotus

@grim lotus I shall double ping you in case you didn’t see the above message

If you’ve only been getting half hp it’s not possible

[grim lotus]

yeah

i havent tried atm

cuz busy

[rich needle]

Mk

[grim lotus]

this preset?

mastermode?

[rich needle]

Mhm

I can’t test the team comps directly, I can try but nearly all of my teams have baked in exs and are much stronger so we have to do this by proxy

[grim lotus]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

what

[rich needle]

So

We are using a water dps team

But the enemy is weak to fairy

So we are attempting to off type it

[grim lotus]

xerneas?

[rich needle]

Yeah

You can try a xerneas dps comp I guess

That I can reasonably test so I’ll give it a go

[grim lotus]

tapu fini xerneas and...?

kyogre or feraligatr

kyogre is gridded

[rich needle]

No don’t use kyogre in this case

[grim lotus]

ok

[rich needle]

If we are attempting to make xerneas do damage, we need to give him crit buffs

[grim lotus]

lillie?

[rich needle]

And we can then use on type conditions

Which are easier

Lillie doesn’t give permanent crit buffs so she isn’t sufficient

[grim lotus]

mmh

who else...

head empty

[rich needle]

Try alakazam

[grim lotus]

ok

[grim lotus]

off type post or pre sync

[rich needle]

Ontype

We have switched to on type with xerneas

remember it’s based on what damage type we’re dealing

[grim lotus]

ontype which one then

[rich needle]

Post

[grim lotus]

btw isnt it total just 2,5k?

[rich needle]

Yeah

See the pin say to scroll down for 3k

That’s cuz it’s team specific

3k is too hard to splash onto every team

[grim lotus]

i see, sorry i havent noticed

[rich needle]

No prob

[wicked pebble]

Asking again, these teams look good gor the special CS?

[rotund lagoon]

I thought Cobalt told you this last time #1009554906568462476 message

[wicked pebble]

I missed it before.

Ah, now I remember.

sorry, right now, dinner and christmas stuff.

[wicked pebble]

reason I was using swords dance was because I wanted a way to help speed and attack. Only way to do what without losing rain was to use someone like Acerola.

would there be an alternative pick there for that?

[mellow linden]

Sonia or Hilbert come to mind if they’re 3/5+

[wicked pebble]

Hilbert's in use elswehre and Sonia's a bit slow on speed raising, is the thing... I can try her, I suppose.

[mellow linden]

Spark Fast-Track helps quite a bit and you can almost certainly afford to grid Speedy Entry on SS Grimsley to help ease the requirement some

[tulip python]

Any suggestions for team comp for Pasio CS, Malva is a beastly tank

[noble plaza]

anyone i should avoid or do on certain rounds?

[main crow]

Sinnoh next month

[silver dirge]

Confirmed?

[lilac thicket]

https://vxtwitter.com/absolutelypm/status/1739552957681877148

[swift swan]

not really. you can use R4's physical damage reduction to your advantage to fight E4s with heavy physical attacks like Hala but remember it ruins quadqueue

[silver dirge]

Ayy

Bug weak Lucian here we come

[swift swan]

SINNOH 3K LET'S GO

bug-weak Lucian please have mercy

[paper summit]

you poor thing

but let's be honest, you have Hilbert, why are you asking to have it easier than it already is? smh

oh wait, the silly themes...

[silver dirge]

[paper summit]

suffering is deserved there ngl

[undone ether]

3k Flint was good (from NC Leaf's Stadium).... but eh. i wanna see the week by week 😮

[main crow]

3k bug lucian is gonna be interesting

[crystal notch]

Bug stadium? glances at burgh, lusamine

Minnow life

[main crow]

Lmao bug stadium
I can't wait for the Hall of fame to be just
Round 1 offtype
Round 2 offtype
Round 3 poison stall
Round 4 offtype
Champion Bug bros and Hilbert

[crystal notch]

don't even have bug bros, it's ss grimsley on malva all over again

[main crow]

The scary thing is the fact it's not impossible atm cus we indeed have a psychic type neo champion already

if they're kind Bede would probably be weak to dark which is A LOT more accessible

[swift swan]

3k means I have to put more bulk and Lucian's HP is already inflated. I'm sure I can clear with the right support but it might be tight

and how will I do my silly themed clears

[keen jasper]

Seems I've found a new toy for steel-weak stages now

Kinda wished she was 5/5 tho

[trail smelt]

Ah Sinnoh

Time to suffer

[wide adder]

other than olivia for water cs, which water cs boss uses alot of physical move?

picking my r1

doing olivia r2 i think

or do the others not rly do physical

too tired to read the small text on the infographic rn

[silver dirge]

It's just Olivia

[vast dome]

I'm at Shauntal Round 4

My water pairs

[verbal karma]

...is 1/5 NC Rosa enough for Alder EBE Part 2?

[silver dirge]

This is the CS chat but yes, by far

You still need a damage dealer but Rosa handles the gimmick

[verbal karma]

I misclicked

My apologies

[wicked pebble]

How does this look? Want3d to try SS Acerola over SS Morty to test things.

[old orchid]

No hurt trying out

[old orchid]

Have you planned R5 team? And how many rain setters do you have left?

[vast dome]

May, and no one else

[old orchid]

Plan your R5 team first to see if you need her for it or not

[verbal karma]

Damn, I can't beat R3 Kahili with Sabrina/SS Lana/SS Dawn

Whenever Kahili uses Brave Bird, Sabrina ALWAYS dies instantly, and SS Lana's sync absolutely refuses to crit for some reasons

[vast dome]

What does Leaf rewuire of you

[old orchid]

Spdef debuff and remove sun

Her sun is one time only

Do you have Lucian?

[verbal karma]

...yes, I do NOT have Crit Shield on

However, if the sync refuses to crit 50 times in a row, then this can't be just "bad RNG"

[mortal pine]

5.5k total points

[crystal notch]

#1010274591601598555 , not here

[mortal pine]

oh ok

[verbal karma]

Can someone please tell me what else I could be doing wrong?

[silver dirge]

Are you maxing out Lana's crit for her sync?

[verbal karma]

Of course

[crystal notch]

Syncs have -1 crit innately, unless Lana is different, so if you're only giving her 1 or 2 crit buff?...

[verbal karma]

Lana's TM already maxxes her sync

[crystal notch]

Well, there's the possibility of just being unlucky

[silver dirge]

Lana's TM does not max her crit

[crystal notch]

Oh, or that haha

[verbal karma]

It...does not?

[silver dirge]

Nope

It doesn't even buff it by a single rank

Her BMove has guaranteed crit, but if you want the sync to crit you need an external crit buffer or Critical Sync on her grid

[verbal karma]

Oh god, you're right, I forgot

...yeah, I need to replace Sabrina, it seems

[silver dirge]

If you have 0 crit it's impossible for her crit to sync

[crystal notch]

Yeah, again, -1 innate crit on sync

[verbal karma]

She only has Dire Hit All instead of Dire Hit+ All AND she can barely survive this

[silver dirge]

Sabrina is frail, why aren't you tanking with SS Dawn?

[verbal karma]

but SS Dawn is also frail?

[crystal notch]

[silver dirge]

No? She buffs her defenses

And her passive makes her very bulky below 33% HP

[verbal karma]

...can she survive a Brave Bird?

[silver dirge]

Doesn't hurt to try

She's got damage guard on sync too, plus healing

[twin field]

Shes a great unit

Despite her health sac

[verbal karma]

Nope, SS Dawn dies to Brave Bird instantly unless she has Damage Guard on

[silver dirge]

Can you send your parameters?

You can simply reset for no Brave Bird

Doesn't bug weak lucian have wise entry

[verbal karma]

Welp, won R3 Kahili somehow

[silver dirge]

Oh yeah probably

Oh you're good to go

[verbal karma]

Why can I never get this Palentine's duo to work in any Fairy-weak CS stage? 😦

[halcyon sail]

Horrible support choice

[full mesa]

They need speed. Like yesterday. Also they need something that can heal.

[verbal karma]

I sadly can't find a good support choice, so...any suggestions?

[halcyon sail]

Someone who buffs spatk and crit

[trail smelt]

SS Mina solved my mono fairy team problem for me haha

[undone ether]

For my case. I ran 3/5 Pal Serena and 1/5 Pal Dawn, with NC Blue. .-.
He solves all of their Crit and SP.ATK needs.

[silver dirge]

As would be for any special unit

[verbal karma]

I...sadly ran out of them, I think? Unless I am missing someone?

Here are my Sp. Atk buffers

[swift swan]

sabrina or ss elesa

[verbal karma]

and here are my Crit buffers

[verbal karma]

I already used both elsewhere

[swift swan]

falkner then, or cgio

[mellow linden]

That’s a 3/5 SS Brendan

[swift swan]

melony can do it with all ramped up and TM MPR too

[verbal karma]

Sadly, he can't fully buff Crit iirc

[swift swan]

MC Torchic, Lyra, you've got plenty of options

[mellow linden]

He can

[swift swan]

team sharp entry 1 on grid, then on TM

just sync with him

[mellow linden]

Team Sharp Entry + Trainer Move + a second TSE after Sync due to how Megas work

[sharp willow]

He can fully buff crit but needs to sync to get to +3

[verbal karma]

I keep on forgetting that Megas retrigger Entry skills tbh

...that team still can't beat Hala 😦

Sure, I can beat mid, but then the sides kill me

[vast dome]

Yes I do

[old orchid]

Use him as a debuffer then

For dmg dealer, i suggest using May

The tank should be someone who helps buffing May's offensive buffs

[verbal karma]

...wait, Hala is Fairy-weak, tho

and May is Anni May is psychic type

plus, I really want to make the Palentine's Duo work somehow

[mellow linden]

They’re not talking about you using her

[verbal karma]

oh

whoops

[mellow linden]

Depending on how much damage the Sync nuke on the team does you can probably focus regular moves on the sides earlier to soften them up in preparation for when center goes down

[verbal karma]

...yeah, sadly, the sync nuke doesn't do enough damage to allow me to soften up the sides

[mellow linden]

Have you tested to see if that’s actually the case, or are you just assuming without evidence?

More unorthodox teams require more experimentation/trial-and-error to get up and running properly

[verbal karma]

I mean, even when I focus my pre-sync attacks on just the mid, the sync attack...technically won't kill Hala

but Pal Serena's post-sync Moon Blast does

so imagine if I focus my pre-sync attacks on the sides instead

(in case anyone's wondering: Pal Serena does the post-sync Moon Blast before Hala does his sync)

[mellow linden]

What types do you have left to get on the medal?

[full mesa]

If you presync mid, you only need to survive for one more cycle. The 3rd sync will kill one side and your 3 moon blasts should kill the other side.

Sycamore/Hop/filler can do hala

Or anything for that matter.

[mellow linden]

Can you show your roster?

[full mesa]

Yes

[verbal karma]

...sadly, the AoE instantly kills Pal Serena

[mellow linden]

Screenshots from the Move Level menu are fine if the tracker is hard to access ATM

+tracker in case tho

[frozen depot]

Link : https://pomasters.github.io/SyncPairsTracker/
Use this video guide to properly filter your pairs : https://imgur.com/a/2ONrAcl
Fill your pairs > Turn Visibility only for "Have" > Filter by Type then Role > Turn On "Separators" > Print with "Image" button

[mellow linden]

Whole roster

Don’t ignore your 3- and 4-stars, they generally range from decent to amazing

Can use Mina against Hala for Fairy, slap Viola on a team for Bug, and run Koga or Lucy for Poison

[mellow linden]

Tbh if you’re struggling to pre-Sync you may wanna consider trying post-Sync parameters

Mina would be the damage-dealer in this case

It doesn’t matter a ton as long as your teams are competent. Btw, make sure your Solgaleo is fully gridded with all the Power Boost tiles (Haymaker, Furious Brain, Trainer Move Critical Eye, Trainer Move BOGO) + Sharp Entry if you’re gonna run Solgaleo + Skyla + a random 3rd as a team

[trail smelt]

Ready for next week. Well, not sure about Lucian team but we’ll see

[verbal karma]

They 100% cannot survive sync, tho, so post-sync is not an option

Hell, Pal Serena already dies to one single Earthquake, she will not survive post-sync

and she's my main DPS

while Pal Dawn is my main sync nuke

[swift swan]

the idea is to change your params to postsync, ofc she won't survive an earthquake under presync parameters

[tardy belfry]

5 weeks of 15k sinnoh cs, describing it as rough is probs an understatement

[verbal karma]

What I am saying is that she wouldn't survive post-sync EQ either

...also, is there really no way to make this work presync?

[mellow linden]

1. Like Nov said, you change the parameters if post-Syncing so they can survive

2. I’m gonna be 100% honest: Can Palentine’s Dawn and Palentine’s Serena handle 3k? Probably. Can they do so at 2/5 and 1/5 respectively? I’m inclined to say probably not

[verbal karma]

😦

[swift swan]

alright, then if you're struggling to 3k presync then either change the team or lower your points

[mellow linden]

Not like you need to 3k though, you can just do lower points

[swift swan]

yeah was about to say this. who's nuking?

[steel kelp]

^

[mellow linden]

P. Dawn, apparently

[steel kelp]

Cs is never that serious

[swift swan]

i don't think either of them have much of a nuke at those move levels

[mellow linden]

Now what you could do is bring one or the other alongside BP Valerie if you wanna use at least one of them

But unfortunately they’re gonna have a rough time at those Move Levels when it’s both of them

[verbal karma]

...I'd rather do a completely different team instead then tbh

[steel kelp]

Off type

[verbal karma]

Sadly, though, I don't have many options for Fairy

[verbal karma]

Please no

[swift swan]

BP Valerie

Mina

[verbal karma]

I do have Mina EX'd, at least

[mellow linden]

BP Valerie + Mina, off-type, Poison stall

[steel kelp]

Why are you so against off type

[verbal karma]

I already said why multiple times

I'd rather not repeat myself

Anyway, will try BP Valerie + Mina

[swift swan]

you'd need a good gauge support for that then

[mellow linden]

Sonia comes to mind off the top of my head

If need be can do an Iron Head turn denial with BP Valerie to ensure you can Sync twice

[swift swan]

her passive ruins quadqueue, so yeah i'd do a turn denial

[verbal karma]

...is 1/5 good enough for BP Valerie?

[mellow linden]

Are you seriously that low on 4-star Strike candies?

[swift swan]

why would you not take her copies

[verbal karma]

yes

[swift swan]

out of BP tickets too?

[verbal karma]

yes

[swift swan]

alright then

Mina nukes mid, Valerie DPS the sides

[verbal karma]

I see

[swift swan]

Charm on Mina three times, continue with play rough on mid

[verbal karma]

will have to hope Hop will be a good enough support tbh

[swift swan]

Valerie and Mina will be consuming both 3 gauge moves, I don't think he'll work that well

sonia or hilbert

[verbal karma]

Hilbert it is then

[swift swan]

but sonia most likely will ruin your quadqueue so do a side denial with iron head to flinch to make sure you can still sync

hilbert buffs speed faster but just remember he's very squishy

what round is this?

[verbal karma]

R4

[swift swan]

if it's R4 quadqueues will be ruined regardless

so get a denial ready

[verbal karma]

dw, Hilbert has Adrenaline

[swift swan]

okay

[verbal karma]

...oh god...even with Hilbert's speed buffs, I have MG problems 😦

[swift swan]

hmmm guess that's to be expected

we might have to ditch valerie then

replace with a defense debuffer like kukui or nanu. probably nanu since he can flinch to get Mina out of AOE trouble

Try to DPS the sides a bit, see how much your nuke does and if it's enough to oneshot after support EX (assuming Hilbert's EX'd)

[verbal karma]

...should probably mention: I won't be able to flinch

due to parameters

[swift swan]

can't replace it with something else equally useless?

[verbal karma]

...I mean, if I replace BP Valerie with a tech, I could

[swift swan]

then yeah, go with Nanu

[verbal karma]

ah, damn, Mina's DPS really sucks tbh

even with Nanu debuffing Defense

[mellow linden]

Tbh if you’re struggling this hard I’d recommend either lowering the points or switching to off-type or Poison stall

[swift swan]

how's her nuke, at least

and you're using play rough, right?

[rich needle]

I was doing the thing

Switched to jp

Who’s the Va for Lear

I need to know

[swift swan]

Miyano mamoru

Light yagami among other roles. But this is suited for #poma-lounge

(i'd love to talk about japanese poma VAs)

[rich needle]

The main one that tipped me off was okabe

But ye I should stop talking bout it here

[verbal karma]

yeah, I am using Play Rough

it sadly hits like wet paper

[swift swan]

How's the sync

[verbal karma]

it removes, like, around 80% of his health, I think?

[swift swan]

Presync parameters, yes?

I guess you can try play rough the mid a few times (after you're done with charm), then DPS the sides after. Flinching sides to prevent AOEs will be helpful

[verbal karma]

actually, I fully focused Play Rough on the mid already

and as I said, Play Rough hits like wet tissue paper

[verbal karma]

and yes, presync parameters

[swift swan]

So, even after support EX Mina can't kill mid?

[verbal karma]

yes

hmm...wait, I have an idea

[mellow linden]

Is Mina fully gridded?

[verbal karma]

Yes

[verbal karma]

Tried out my idea

[mellow linden]

And what's the grid?

[verbal karma]

Mina can kill mid now, but instantly dies to the first Earthquake

[mellow linden]

Alright, just wanted to make sure

Tbh if you're having such a hard time you might just wanna lower the point value a bit, the minor extra rewards aren't worth it if you're struggling so much with it

[verbal karma]

...but I need the

[left storm]

Then just grind til you win or give up

People in this chat can't play the stage in your stead

[swift swan]

I might need to see the recording of your clear and the params

[mellow linden]

You do not. The difference between 12.5k and 15k is not even a full powerup’s worth of tickets, and last I saw you had enough powerups and tickets for five EXs

Like I said earlier, stop obsessing over the 1% probability scenarios

[mellow linden]

To put things in perspective:

• Amount of tickets gained going from 12.5k to 15k: 10 (~0.5 powerups when converted)
• Amount of tickets gained going from 10k to 15k: 25 (~1.25 powerups when converted)

Since you’ve been playing for a long time this amount may as well not even exist due to how small it is

[rich needle]

I just do it to feel alive

[sharp willow]

If this is the only stage you're struggling with 3k on you can drop the points on it to 2.5k and miss out on literal 0 tickets

[mellow linden]

That’s also worth noting, yeah

But the main point is that you’re not missing anything actually important by dropping the point value, and obsessing over half a powerup does nothing to help you

[verbal karma]

...damn, even after lowering by 300 points after removing all the Atk Up params, Mina STILL gets insta-killed by one single EQ

at this point, it's no longer a problem with the params, but with the team itself

[steel kelp]

What if it’s not the team

[verbal karma]

if it's not the team, then it would have worked after removing all the Atk Up params

plain and simple

So how can I improve my team instead?

[mellow linden]

Try replacing Hilbert with Hop or Sonia since you’re only running Mina for damage now

[verbal karma]

thanks

[mellow linden]

Gives you more bulk

[verbal karma]

will do Hop since he has Adrenaline

[mellow linden]

Either would work fine since you can turn denial with Nanu

[verbal karma]

that would be too unreliable tbh

not only because I'd need to hope for Flinch RNG, but also because then I'd need to hope that the game doesn't eat my touch screen inputs when trying to queue stuff

because that's also something I'd need to worry about

[mellow linden]

It really isn’t that hard when you have a 60% chance with Bite

But whatever

[verbal karma]

again:

then I'd need to hope that the game doesn't eat my touch screen inputs when trying to queue stuff

and for some reason, it does that with flinch queues, like, 95% of the time

[mellow linden]

You don’t need a flinch queue

[rich needle]

What is a flinch queue exactly

[mellow linden]

You queue Sync and the actions after as normal except you target Bite at the left side. Queue the Syncer’s move as normal, if Bite flinches the turn denial is complete

[rich needle]

You are the flincher not the flinched

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yeah, I am the flincher, therefore, I need to queue

[mellow linden]

So it should look something like this:

Sync -> Bite -> 3rd -> enemy

Sync goes off and you queue the Syncer’s move. Now it’s:

Bite -> 3rd -> enemy -> Syncer

If Bite flinches, it doesn’t matter whether you queue Nanu’s move before or after the replacement enemy move, because the replacement move goes after the Syncer

So regardless of whether it’s:

3rd -> Syncer -> Nanu -> enemy

Or:

3rd -> Syncer -> enemy -> Nanu

The result is the exact same of having successfully turn denialed

There’s no need to sneak another move in with the Sync Pair that’s flinching

So unless you’re telling me that you’re so bad at triple queue that you can’t even queue the Syncer’s move before Bite goes off and flinches, there’s no queueing weirdness other than changing targets for Bite

And if you are that bad at triple queue then you’re not ready for 15k, full stop

[verbal karma]

wdym "even"

it's really hard, ya know?

anyway, Hop/Mina/Nanu is working out better than the previous team, but still not good enough

now I can beat one of the two sides as well

[mellow linden]

Turn down the game speed then, it should not be hard to consistently queue a move on your Syncer after they Sync, quadqueue or not

As for dealing with the sides, Nanu flinch will help immensely

[verbal karma]

...but the game speed is already on the lowest setting?

[mellow linden]

…So you’re telling me that, after your 1st Sync Move, when you can literally spam tap the move button, you still queue the Syncer’s move so slowly that you are physically incapable of turn denial?

Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying

[twilit knot]

Can anyone give me a general idea of what teams to run for special stadium 3k master mode? I tried but I have the attention span of a panda it seems

[mellow linden]

At a glance you can bring NC Serena + a cheap Rain setter (if you have an eggmon Rain setter that’d be great) + a good Support to the Leaf fight. For the others, in no particular order, you could do something like:

• Archie + May + Support

• SS Lysandre + Rain setter + Support

• Dojo Gloria + Rain setter or Nessa + Support

• Kris + Rain setter + Support

[twilit knot]

Thank you very much

[mellow linden]

Feel free to come back if there’s any issues so we can troubleshoot!

[twilit knot]

Kris with sync nuke build I suppose

[mellow linden]

That’s pretty much her only build (Haymaker + Inertia + Super Powered + whatever other tiles you need), tbh

[verbal karma]

...okay, I feel like we might be talking about two different kinds of flinch queuing

[mellow linden]

Apparently so

Even though I just gave an overview of what I was talking about before

[verbal karma]

I'm talking about the one where you do this:
Move 1 -> Move 2 -> Flinch Move
and then I begin to queue Move 1 and Move 2 again as the flincher does the flinch move and procs the flinch
and while the flinch is proccing, I am mashing on Sync Pair 3's move in an attempt to queue that

and sadly, that doesn't work 95% of the time

[mellow linden]

That’s unnecessary

I literally just went over why that’s unnecessary for turn denial

You don’t need to re-queue the whole team’s moves in turn denial, you just need to flinch the left side so that your Syncer’s move now goes before the replacement move

[verbal karma]

oh, if you're talking about this one, then...uh...I don't think I understand you, sorry...

[mellow linden]

Here’s an illustrative example with Sonia + Mina + Nanu.

I queue Sonia’s Sync, her Team Swift Reaction passive goes off and means that no quadqueue is happening, so the move order currently looks like this:

1. Sonia Sync
2. Nanu Bite
3. Mina Charm
4. Left opponent’s move

Sonia Syncs, and now I queue her Potion. So now the move order is:

1. Nanu Bite
2. Mina Charm
3. Left Opponent’s move
4. Sonia Potion

Nanu’s Bite happens, and the opponent flinches. The opponent queues a new move, but now that move happens after Sonia’s Potion, meaning the move order is now:

1. Mina Charm
2. Sonia Potion
3. Left Opponent’s move
4. Nanu Bite

Or:

1. Mina Charm
2. Sonia Potion
3. Nanu Bite
4. Left Opponent’s move

However, it does not matter which of those move orders occurs, as either way you’ve now made sure you’ll get your 2nd Sync Move before the opponent can Sync

TL;DR Queue Bite targeting the left side after Sonia Syncs, if Bite flinches the turn denial was successful regardless of whether Nanu can re-queue before the opponent replaces their move so long as you made sure to queue Sonia’s move

[verbal karma]

...okay, hold on, I think I am starting to understand?
lemme replace Hop with Sonia real quick (since Hop is giving me small MG problems anyway)

wait

no

I cannot flinch the left opponent's move away

because the left opponent ALWAYS uses X Evasion All

fuck

[keen jasper]

Because RNG

[mellow linden]

Then you can let the left side get its move off and instead queue Bite on the center for your 2nd set of actions on the second Sync cycle

The exact same principle applies, the only difference is now the center is getting turn denialed instead of the left side

[verbal karma]

I am...pretty convinced the X Evasion All is guaranteed at this point