guide me through selecting what i want to be when i grow up

[nimble cloud]

is bare minimum??????????

for 30k a year

[sharp oracle]

u aint getting that

[nimble cloud]

is bare minimum???????//

[sharp oracle]

your work ethic is too poor bro

[nimble cloud]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

EVEN IF I DID

WTF IS THE POINT

IF IM GONNA MAKE 30K A YEAR

[sharp oracle]

thats only if u go to a bad uni

and most unis in saudi are bad

[nimble cloud]

okayyyyyyyyyy

[sharp oracle]

you would easily earn more

[nimble cloud]

okayyyyyyyyy

[sharp oracle]

if u sacraficed

the hours

[nimble cloud]

i wont go to a saudi uni then

[sharp oracle]

or years of uni

or something else

but u have such rigid constraints

[nimble cloud]

why though

why the fuck is that the case

your saying

that

if i

[sharp oracle]

bc unfortunately for u

[nimble cloud]

HYPOTHETICALLY

4 a*

in a levels

[sharp oracle]

shut up

im talking

[nimble cloud]

ok

[sharp oracle]

unfortunately for u

aerospace

isn't massive in saudi

or pakistan

they pay well starting 55k

but not 70k like some european countries

or USA

petroleum

is too much hours according to your constraints

nuclear doesnt earn 70k in saudi

starting

[nimble cloud]

ok

[sharp oracle]

other disciplines

[nimble cloud]

so your saying flight?

[sharp oracle]

js dont earn 70k starting

[sharp oracle]

short haul pilot is the only thing that fits your rules

unless u change your mind about finance

or law

or become a european citizen or us citizen overnight

to do aero

[nimble cloud]

okay

ill do pilot

[sharp oracle]

change your a levels asw

[nimble cloud]

@obsidian vessel what was the issue with pilot btw

[sharp oracle]

they're unecessarily hard

dont listen to ahmed bro

[nimble cloud]

why?

[sharp oracle]

he legit admitted he hasn't researched shit on being a pilot

he's js saying his opinions

no facts involved

[nimble cloud]

oh

[sharp oracle]

u legit have no other options

cause your aiming extremely high

but definitely change your a levels

do like maths physics geography

[nimble cloud]

sure

that works

by the way why is it that im only hearing how fked up this system is now

[sharp oracle]

the system isnt bad

u js wanted an easy route to 70k graduate

and dont start yapping to me about hardest a level combo

[nimble cloud]

you were the one who said that though

you said 2% of candidates get triple a*

in what world is that easy

genuinely i think you guys are crazy

30k a year is just straight false

[sharp oracle]

evidence?

bc it isn't

[sharp oracle]

i didnt say its easy

im js saying u aint in the top 2 percent

[nimble cloud]

bradar

[nimble cloud]

im giving 5 ig this mj

if i get a* in all of them do u think i shld give ur combo a try

[sharp oracle]

yea mate

5

[nimble cloud]

whats wrong with that

[sharp oracle]

5 is nothing

normal amount is 8-10

[nimble cloud]

i mean its minimum

requirement

and unis really dont care too much abt it

the plan was 8 but i didnt give humanities

[obsidian vessel]

NO way yall been yapping for ts long bro

Feel bad for u bubbles

[nimble cloud]

bro

[sharp oracle]

he trying to tell me civil engineer graduates earn 70k

[obsidian vessel]

Long working hours and difficult to get in

[obsidian vessel]

Dont they?

[nimble cloud]

what is yalls obsession with shtting on me js for not putting 1/4th of my life into worshipping the education system

[obsidian vessel]

engineering is very short

but also hard

[nimble cloud]

yeah so i can do that

fits all my rules

[obsidian vessel]

ok do it then

why didnt u say this like 2 hours ago

[sharp oracle]

no

[nimble cloud]

hes trying to convince me not to

[sharp oracle]

it dont earn 70k graduate

[obsidian vessel]

if ur confident then js do it

[sharp oracle]

in the disciplines he can do

[obsidian vessel]

what are disciplines bro

[nimble cloud]

means like nuclear or petroleum

or aerospace

[obsidian vessel]

Idk bro gemini told me it does 🥀

[nimble cloud]

or civil

[obsidian vessel]

ohh

[nimble cloud]

there are diff engineerings

[obsidian vessel]

yeah ik

do whatever u like tbh

[nimble cloud]

hes tryna convince me i cant do aerospace

[obsidian vessel]

mech and civil are hard

ya aerospace is one of the hardest amongst nuclear

Yk what

[sharp oracle]

it doesnt earn 70k graduate in your country

[obsidian vessel]

do aeronautical engineering

[sharp oracle]

what dont u understand

[nimble cloud]

aint that even harder

[obsidian vessel]

its a fair bit easier than aerospace

[sharp oracle]

IT DOESNT EARN 70K IN HIS COUNTRY

[nimble cloud]

sounds scary

[obsidian vessel]

it does bro

[sharp oracle]

????????????????????

[sharp oracle]

no it doesnt

[nimble cloud]

why we talking abt my country specifically

[obsidian vessel]

Aerospace includes space and flight outside of the atmosphere

[nimble cloud]

wait bubbles

[obsidian vessel]

aeronautical is limited to commerical planes and anything witin the planet

[sharp oracle]

because u can only do aerospace in countries your a citizen of

[obsidian vessel]

yes it does

[nimble cloud]

you do realize that i dont HAVE to work in saudi right

[sharp oracle]

evidence

[sharp oracle]

what countries

are u a citizen of

[obsidian vessel]

evidence that it doesnt?

[nimble cloud]

there are ways of earning citizenship in other countries

if i went to study in canada and live there for 4 years i can apply for citizenship

[obsidian vessel]

it really doesnt take evidence to be honest my father has alot of engineering friends and they are pretty comfortable financially

[nimble cloud]

but by the time i graduate that probably wont be true

[nimble cloud]

exactly like

btw

he said that

[obsidian vessel]

?

[nimble cloud]

engineers make 30k a year post graduate

[sharp oracle]

civil

[obsidian vessel]

lmao no tf??

[sharp oracle]

and some do

at bad companies

[obsidian vessel]

even civil bro

[sharp oracle]

the lower end is 30k

[sharp oracle]

https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/aeronautical-engineer/saudi-arabia

[nimble cloud]

can i js point smt out

[sharp oracle]

same bs as yesterday

asking me for links

[nimble cloud]

how is all of our information so different

[sharp oracle]

there it is

[nimble cloud]

alright listen i give up

[sharp oracle]

you guys are stupid and have no links or evidence to back your claims

[obsidian vessel]

its the same as how much you make in mcdonalds in saudi arabia bw

[nimble cloud]

your making outlandish claims from our pov btw

[nimble cloud]

exactly

[obsidian vessel]

youre relying on links that you have no idea if they are even reliable

my friend is literally doing civil engineering lmao

[sharp oracle]

i do???????????

[nimble cloud]

thank you @obsidian vessel and @sharp oracle for helping me out but i dont really think that either of us are correct

[eager helm]

Gave +1 Rep to @sharp oracle (15)

Gave +1 Rep to @obsidian vessel (14)

[sharp oracle]

if u dont find them reliable explain why or prove they aren't reliable

[nimble cloud]

im just gonna give engi and wing it

[sharp oracle]

relavance?

[obsidian vessel]

i have no reason to believe theyre reliable from the first place

[obsidian vessel]

He knows people that graduated????

Dawg you dont realize how low 30k is

you can work as a security guard and get as much as 30k lmao

[nimble cloud]

gl yall

[sharp oracle]

yea gng as i said its the lower end

[obsidian vessel]

common sense is all you need whos studying 5 years for a profession thats not at all easy js to start at 30k

[sharp oracle]

engineering is extremely competitive

[obsidian vessel]

even if its the lower end

[sharp oracle]

if u dont go to a top uni your fried

[obsidian vessel]

then its supposed to have high pay

[sharp oracle]

it is lol

at the high end

working for a tiny local company though

[obsidian vessel]

not necesarilly top mediocore is fine

[sharp oracle]

isnt

[obsidian vessel]

"ENTRY"

[sharp oracle]

u have no idea what your talking about

[nimble cloud]

is it just me or is that not the case for every single proffesion except medicine maybe

[obsidian vessel]

i completley do

[sharp oracle]

proof?

links?

i send at least 6 links yesterday

all proving my points

u sent none

so today

u send some evidence

[sharp oracle]

thats bc every med uni is hard to get into

[obsidian vessel]

evidence of what

[obsidian vessel]

no

[nimble cloud]

yeah so point is every career path requires u to get into a top uni and put in insane work at like 15

[sharp oracle]

graduates from mid unis for engineering consitently earn 70k starting

[sharp oracle]

fym no

[obsidian vessel]

"No"

[sharp oracle]

insane work at 15

[obsidian vessel]

As long as you have their requirements its not hard

[sharp oracle]

more like 16

earliest

[sharp oracle]

yes mate bc A*AA is so easy

[nimble cloud]

16 is like latest a1 starts at 16 for me

[sharp oracle]

and it is hard to get into med

[nimble cloud]

as*

[obsidian vessel]

https://www.gulftalent.com/saudi-arabia/salaries/civil-engineer

[sharp oracle]

everybody starts as at 16

[obsidian vessel]

yeah it is

[sharp oracle]

this proves my point

how stupid are you

[obsidian vessel]

how does it prove your point?

[sharp oracle]

clearly says low end in USD is 800 a month

[obsidian vessel]

Not sure where you got USD from

we're talking about the gulf

[sharp oracle]

the change the currency

[obsidian vessel]

starts at 5-6000 a month

[obsidian vessel]

No lmao

You randomly changing currencies to support your argument?

[sharp oracle]

u can select what currency u want the results in on that website

[obsidian vessel]

Pretty sure i dont pay in dollars in the groccery story

[obsidian vessel]

Yes i did

[sharp oracle]

we have been talking about USD the entire time

[obsidian vessel]

and its 60,000 on the lower end

[sharp oracle]

me and the other guy

have been talking about USD

[obsidian vessel]

hes not getting into the US bro

[sharp oracle]

thats irrelavant

[obsidian vessel]

they already are trying to get rid of immigrants

[obsidian vessel]

no it is

[nimble cloud]

yo bubbles right bro

[obsidian vessel]

why are we measuring in a currecny hes not even gonna use

[sharp oracle]

u can convert any salary into USD

[nimble cloud]

lmao

[sharp oracle]

bc its the global currency of trades

[obsidian vessel]

No bro

[nimble cloud]

u was talking abt sar this whole time??

[sharp oracle]

majority of international buisness is done in USD

[obsidian vessel]

Noone gives a shit you use the currency in which youre working at

[sharp oracle]

its the currency of trade

[obsidian vessel]

keyword international

[sharp oracle]

he wants 70K USD

[obsidian vessel]

hes most likley gonna work in the gulf

[sharp oracle]

so u yappin about your weak foreign currency

[obsidian vessel]

Lmfao what

[sharp oracle]

is irrelevant

to this convo

[sharp oracle]

YES

WHICH IS WHY I SAID

HE WONT GET THAT

[obsidian vessel]

LOL

[sharp oracle]

bros been disagreeing and arguing with me

[nimble cloud]

yo istg

[sharp oracle]

not even knowing

[nimble cloud]

im dipping

[obsidian vessel]

Mb bro didnt know yall were talking ab USD

[sharp oracle]

what your disagreeing with

holy shit bro

[nimble cloud]

dont ping me dont msg me dont think abt me

[obsidian vessel]

wouldve been a lil more helpful if you stated dollars

[sharp oracle]

we did earlier in the convo

[obsidian vessel]

i wasnt there

[sharp oracle]

im acc done bro

let ts guy do what he wants

[obsidian vessel]

No wonder

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID LIKE 2 HOURS AGO LOL

[sharp oracle]

guy asked for help and didnt accept it

when given

[obsidian vessel]

how can a guy even be this indecisive bro

[sharp oracle]

told me my facts were false and couldnt present his own

[sharp oracle]

word

[nimble cloud]

bcz i refuse to believe 30k usd anually is real for anyone post graduation

[obsidian vessel]

TWIN

YOURE GONNA WORK IN THE GULF

y tf do u give a shit about how much u earn in dollars

[nimble cloud]

im saying the amount in dollars

so that he understands

and also

[obsidian vessel]

yah

?

[nimble cloud]

am i incapable of moving to another country

thats besides the point

[obsidian vessel]

No you can go to other gulf countries easily lmao

go to qatar

they have high pay

[nimble cloud]

the issue that i have is there is NO way that post graduation ur making 30k anually

at that point

i could like ask my parents to stop sending me to school

[obsidian vessel]

Dollars

dollars

dollars

dollars

dollars

112,000 SAR btw

Anyways this is becoming a pain in the ass cya

[nimble cloud]

YES

that is what i mean

that is super low

[sharp oracle]

the statistics are out there

[nimble cloud]

also bubbles

[sharp oracle]

rather than telling me im wrong

go educate yourself

[nimble cloud]

i change my mind

[sharp oracle]

about what

[nimble cloud]

im willing to go into finance

lets say i do

what are my post grad salary

[sharp oracle]

first step go to US or UK uni

[sharp oracle]

depends where in finance u go

[nimble cloud]

elaborate

[nimble cloud]

only 2 options?

[sharp oracle]

or switzerland italy france

js go to a target uni for finance

[sharp oracle]

there are many jobs in finance

some higher paying than others

[nimble cloud]

i want higher paying

ibr ive been living in a bubble this whole time

i didnt know economy is this fucked

makes sense why people want to become doctors now

[sharp oracle]

aint even bad

js do a good degree at a good uni

the absolute max u can earn in finance graduate is 250k

[nimble cloud]

30k usd a year how much do u think goes to tax and rent and food

[sharp oracle]

but u aint getting there

[nimble cloud]

why do you keep saying this

why do you think im this incompetent

[sharp oracle]

its sub 1 percent chance to get into those jobs

after going to a top uni

you have to be a literal genius

[nimble cloud]

ah

[sharp oracle]

to get into shit like quant

u me and anybody else in this server

aren't getting in

[nimble cloud]

is finance better paying than engineering?

[sharp oracle]

of course

finance is much more competitive

[nimble cloud]

what is the point of engineering then

oh

[obsidian vessel]

bubbles you a monk with this much patience

[sharp oracle]

bc an engineering degree is much more versatile

[sharp oracle]

im highkey js procrastinating revision by doing ts

[nimble cloud]

🤣

[sharp oracle]

ive already crashed out at least twice

[obsidian vessel]

I KNOW BROO

[sharp oracle]

im js happy he gave up on engineering

[obsidian vessel]

I FEEL LIKE SHIT RN

[nimble cloud]

sorry bro

[obsidian vessel]

Lmao

[nimble cloud]

so do i btw

[sharp oracle]

i js be here talking in career advice threads

to avoid revision

[sharp oracle]

be honest

are u a genius

are u even extremely smart

im not being rude but a lot of these jobs

[nimble cloud]

if i was in a room filled with 10 random people im smarter than them

[obsidian vessel]

Noone can answer this question accuratley

[sharp oracle]

have hard filters on uni

[sharp oracle]

they can

[nimble cloud]

its likely im smarter than them

[obsidian vessel]

no most of them are idiots with an ego

[nimble cloud]

academically tho

[sharp oracle]

i didnt ask that

[obsidian vessel]

or introverted smart people that dont wanna look arrogant

[sharp oracle]

u said an A in your school

[nimble cloud]

you asked if im a genius

[obsidian vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[sharp oracle]

is extremely rare

and your 3rd smartest in your school

the ppl u interact with daily

are idiots

[nimble cloud]

I know i didn't correct this earlier but i meant that getting an A in a levels in my school is very highly looked up upon

it's a small school

everyone knows each other

[nimble cloud]

this is true

[sharp oracle]

anyway idgaf tbh

ngl

js know

finance

high finance

is extremely competitive

majority try get into investment banking

and js end up in accounting or something else

[nimble cloud]

accounting is ass right

[sharp oracle]

no

[nimble cloud]

besides charter

[sharp oracle]

js not as high paying as investment banking

[nimble cloud]

oh

[sharp oracle]

private equity

etc

ibr i cba js do finance

it fits your rules

other than the high hours in some jobs

[nimble cloud]

how much do you think i will make in finance annually at 30 vs in pilot at 30

[sharp oracle]

no idea mate

earning in finance fluctuate significantly

can be anywhere between 50k and 500k

[nimble cloud]

dang

[sharp oracle]

depending on job

[nimble cloud]

but like you said theres a very low chance im reaching 500k

[sharp oracle]

i aint talking about ts anymore

do maths further maths

[nimble cloud]

hold up

[sharp oracle]

economics

[nimble cloud]

one last thing

[sharp oracle]

accounting a levels

apply to a target uni

[nimble cloud]

u can type this out for me if u want to but could u give me information about pilot aswell

[sharp oracle]

no

i gtg

[nimble cloud]

lmao

later?

[sharp oracle]

go research

yourself

[nimble cloud]

im not gonna do that bro

[sharp oracle]

i told u to be a pilot

[nimble cloud]

last time i researched i was told engineers make 70k post grad

[sharp oracle]

like 2 hours ago

u said no

[sharp oracle]

yea some do

the top ones

[nimble cloud]

i was being stupid and arrogant and i was blinded

[sharp oracle]

ibr pilot or finance

do either one

[nimble cloud]

which one is safer

less risky

pilot right?

[sharp oracle]

depends on the person

[nimble cloud]

which a levels do i have to give for it

[sharp oracle]

any

maths and physics preffered but not essential

[nimble cloud]

okay

genuinely all this and watch me end up in some engi uni

[sharp oracle]

if u do thats not bad at all

but u wont make 70k graduate

like u want

theres a very small chance

[nimble cloud]

alright thanks alot

[sharp oracle]

np bro

[obsidian vessel]

almost 2,500 messages

this gotta be a record

[sharp oracle]

Fr 😭

[ember meadow]

Holy

[somber dawn]

Same here, I used to have interest in architecture, but I lost that interest eventually. Now I dunno what to do and I have no interest in all of the sciences, but I'm really good at art and additional math and extended math

[ember meadow]

good luck 🤞

[somber dawn]

Oh well...

[sharp oracle]

Maths is the best subjects to be good at least

U have options

[sharp oracle]

bro is like 4 years late with ts

[somber dawn]

Okayy, I'll do some research on math related careers

[sharp oracle]

most lucrative ones are finance related

[modest tundra]

🤓

[sharp oracle]

[nimble cloud]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tung-sahur-triple-t-CTTUTDPR0WpJQcpcUt

[chilly current]

are we genuinely serious bru

[modest tundra]

LMFAO

[nimble cloud]

hear me out

dropshippers make hella money

but

you know what causes the collapse of every industry?

its fakers copycats and genuine overpopulation

too many people trying to do the same successful thing that the successful thing just doesnt work anymore

and dropshippers are smart so they realize this and make reels abt people failing at dropshipping even though its super overpowered

to distract u from the truth

so ykw i will go and start a dropshipping business

[torn orchid]

resell snacks at school

[nimble cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-2-clapping-gif-11658266191275392874

[torn orchid]

just do these travel influencers

can i get a haircut here

[sharp oracle]

barely any dropshippers make money

or "a lot of money"

too many ppl do it now

gotta find the next new thing

[nimble cloud]

nobody listen to him hes gatekeeping

pursue your dreams spread love n joy ❤️

[balmy hare]

chad mentioned

[modest tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-early-stream-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-gif-2540355986218759451

[thick kestrel]

bro watched one andrew tate video

[balmy hare]

how about getting a job

get a job, save up for a down payment, buy a cheap property, rennovate, rent out -> cashflow, pays the mortgage + maintenance + profit or resell, repeat, compounds, ur a milionaer

[ember meadow]

milionaer 🥀

[nimble cloud]

is this satire

[sharp oracle]

i hope your statements aboiut dropshipping were satire

[nimble cloud]

ofc they are bro 😭

[nimble cloud]

lets say i work at mcdonalds for like 5 years
i gain 8k dollars an year
40k dollars to down payment on a property

• an additional 10k from parents
  this is the uppest of the uppest circumstance if i get like really lucky with what im doing
  40k realistically isnt about to get me a good house
• 10k isn't enough at all
  and even if it was, im from pakistan where its hell n beyond to buy and sell a house
  now lets say that im some absolute genius
  for 40k dollars, the cashflow is gonna be tiny bro and i dont mean "tiny for 10 years after that its exponentially growing because real estate magic" i mean that its gonna be tiny forever
  cashflow alone wont pay the mortgage (u can js forget about the maintenance part)
  im not gonna go further but its js hella unrealistic

[tender dawn]

Idk the context of this conversation, but PLEASE don’t hand over the future of a career to a random discord chat

Look out for your own calling

That said, I’m not discrediting anyone here who’s helping. Insights can often come in super useful :)

[nimble cloud]

some people here helped me alot in clearing things up

[sharp oracle]

your welcome for that btw

[eager helm]

Gave +1 Rep to @sharp oracle (39)

[nimble cloud]

i was in a bubble until like 4 days ago

i used to think ppl made 70kish right off the bat annually if they graduated from a top 100 uni

[tender dawn]

Yeahh, that number depends vastly on the field

[sharp oracle]

they do with some degrees

bro we went over this

in a 2000 message thread

[nimble cloud]

didnt u tell me that none of them work for me

[sharp oracle]

yes cause your requirements

were

very strict

extremely high paying jobs come with tradeoffs

[nimble cloud]

whats the tradeoff for finance

its js competetive irght

right

[sharp oracle]

long hours at entry level

relaxes later

u wanted normal/short hours

it also is hella competitive yea

[nimble cloud]

long as in 12+ right

[sharp oracle]

no probs like 10 hour days

maybe 12 yea

[nimble cloud]

consecutively

alright

also whats the difference in competetive and tough?
because im sure its easier to get into a top 20 finance uni as compared to a top 20 engineering university

[sharp oracle]

tough means the degree itself is hard

competitive means its hard to get into

[nimble cloud]

but the hardest a level combo was for engineering wasnt it?

so how come finance has it harder

[sharp oracle]

bc top finance jobs earn a shit tonne but are also incredibly hard to get into

finance is a lot more accessible

maths, engineering, finance, PPE

a lot of degrees can get u into finance

and everybody wants those extremely high paying jobs

a finance degree is arguably not that hard

but you'll never get into shit like quant with pure finance lol

[nimble cloud]

ok

[sharp oracle]

that make sense then?

[sharp oracle]

@nimble cloud

[nimble cloud]

yep

[balmy hare]

who says u gon be working at mcdonalds

u will be working at goldman sachs making 7 figures +

invest that

👍

[nimble cloud]

thanks bro ❤️

[rose cape]

You should become money maker

like make money

million dollars

you can make money by like doing job or business

which would bring some money for like house etc.

and like make money when you grow up

[steep turtle]

Dont grow up stay young and die young

[safe flame]

@nimble cloud look okay so this is how you get a high-paying job if you want a low-risk hard work like study work high-paying job and you're very good at math you can go into engineering not specifically engineering as a job but as a university degree. when you have the university degree for engineering you can apply to a lot of stuff. for example you can surprisingly apply to a lot of finance-related jobs. one very good one if you're actually a genius at math is to go into quant finance. you can also go work in financial analytics or you can go into any other jobs that require engineering which is a lot of jobs like aerospace engineering or civil engineering, like anything math-related for example, 50% of all people in goldman sachs which is a financial company, a very big one, have an engineering degree. this just shows how much engineering degree helps.

genuinely the one best way to make money is to make a business. there is no job that's going to be as good for making money as a business but it is much higher risk than getting a job.

basically if you're good at math, take engineering and then you can figure it out. if you're not good at math then probably take science. for example i'm taking biochemistry but you still have to be kind of good at math. you just don't have to be a genius and then if you're ass at all of that then just go work for some job just to get some money and then you can work on getting a business. if you're ass at all the stem stuff then there isn't really anything for you to do. it's not like you can become an english literature major and make money off of that.

[sharp oracle]

That engineering route is great but its extremely hard to get into finance with it still

theres like 15 unis globally that top finance firms higher engineering grads from

and for quant the top ones require phds even not js a bachelors or masters

they only higher from specific streams asw which tend to be the harder ones like cs aerospace, systems etc

for that route your way better off with a pure maths degree

its not even close to 50 percent

asw

its more like 25-30 percent

that route legit only works if u go to a top uni, and do a engineering degree thats very maths heavy

shit like civil isn't getting u in

and 25-30 percent seems like a big percentage but those jobs have way more applicants than places

its unrealistic to have that as your main route unless u go to like oxbridge, MIT, caltech, imperial

and even then u have to make sure your securing internships and other things from first year of uni

your also overestimating how easy it is and how much profit the average buisness makes

[safe flame]

it's hard to create a good business but if you know how to do it, it's by far the most paid "job"

also yes it's very very hard to get into finance with engineering. it is 50%. i don't know where you looked up the 30% stat from but you do have to be like a genius, even like a chinese genius to get into those. if you're good at maths, that's the way to go. even if you decide to still make a business, being an engineer is helpful for other opportunities. in my opinion it's the one degree that can open the most doors for you.

i'm not a chinese genius so i'm not going that route but are you trying to deny that that's the best route for math chinese geniuses?

i don't think it's worth going to university if you're not getting a stem degree. hot take maybe

[sharp oracle]

the 50 percent includes stuff like financial engineering which isn't even engineering its a 1 year masters basically js maths

true engineering majors make up about 30 percent

less than 10 percent of buisnesses earn more than top finance top law

management in engineering

or even highly specalised med

deadass less than 10 percent of buisnesses make over 500k a year

and thats the ones that even survive the first 6 months cause a large majority don't

[sharp oracle]

tbf the only exception i can think of to this is law

or PPE

but tbh

the university u go too

matters more than the degree to some extent

[safe flame]

Yeah it yeah but one person has multiple businesses. that's the thing. if one fails, you have to keep going.

[safe flame]

yeah that's a good point and yeah ppe too. aside from that i forgot about taking english literature or gender studies. That is just postponing unemployment while building up debt.

[modest tundra]

bubbles

continue on what we talked about last night @sharp oracle

[sharp oracle]

About weightlifting being a sport?

[sharp oracle]

U need money to start a business

If one fails and u go bankrupt

Your not gonna have money to start another business

And js remember sub 10 percent of businesses earn over 500k profit

That’s BEFORE reinvesting back into it

Realistically starting a business isn’t plausible for the large majority

And most will never earn more than senior roles in top finance or law

Or even management roles in engineering

[sharp oracle]

True but some subs like classics and history

At a top uni

Get employed easily

Simply because uni matters more than degree to an extent

[modest tundra]

yeah

[sharp oracle]

Olympic weight lifting which is a sport is very different to js going to the gym and training

[modest tundra]

yes so can u answer my question

is going to the gym a sport

or not

[sharp oracle]

js going to the gym casually isn't a sport

[modest tundra]

Are you hearing yourself

[sharp oracle]

it isn't

[modest tundra]

prove it

this is so dumb bro how are u saying the gym is not a sport

[sharp oracle]

is walking a sport?

[modest tundra]

yes lmao

[sharp oracle]

so by walking to the fridge

[modest tundra]

nope

[sharp oracle]

your doing a sport

[modest tundra]

if you dedicate time specifically to walk then its a sport

[sharp oracle]

exactly but walking is an athletic sport

[modest tundra]

is carrying a jug of water exercise?

[sharp oracle]

going to the gym casually

isn't a sport

[sharp oracle]

yes

[modest tundra]

Then youre proving my point

[modest tundra]

yes it is

Gym literally has a trillion different sports built into it

its a sport facility if that makes sese

[sharp oracle]

sports require competition, rules and structure and a specific competition

casually going to the gym has neither rules or competition

[modest tundra]

Is calisthenics a sport?

[sharp oracle]

competitive calisthetics yes

participating in a calisthetics regulated competition

can be classed as sport

calisthetics is kind of in the grey area

[modest tundra]

calisthenics competeions dont have rules

[sharp oracle]

yes they do

[modest tundra]

You literally get in a bar and do random shit and they rate how cool it was

no it doesnt

gymnastics does

calisthenics competitions are different

[sharp oracle]

calisthenics competitions do have rules

[modest tundra]

Like what

@sharp oracle ?

[sharp oracle]

wait

[modest tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/d9luxe-ants

[sharp oracle]

https://wswcf.org/competitions/general-regulations/

as u can see

there are clear rules and regulations

for calisthenics

same way going for a walk isn't a sport

[modest tundra]

Wait

[sharp oracle]

but walking in athletics is

[modest tundra]

you said walking

is walking a sport or no?

[sharp oracle]

walking can be classed as an athletic event but js walking around isn't a sport

[modest tundra]

So youre telling me

you look at walking tournament

and say yeah thats a sport

[sharp oracle]

racewalking

is a sport

bc it fits the criteria of being a sport

opinions have no relavance

in my opinion walking shouldn't be a sport

but by defenition

racewalking is a sport

its legit in the olympics\

[modest tundra]

NO WAY

U FR?

[sharp oracle]

yes

[modest tundra]

Lmfao

yeah i give up ✌️

[sharp oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-EUDWZhcx0

like bro im not saying it should be a sport

but by defenition it is

[modest tundra]

yea yeah

i get u'

[safe flame]

yep that's exactly true. that is if you're one of the large majority for whom it's not viable.

@sharp oracle it's not really that important to me because i'm not one of the people who this applies to. But imagine if you're not good at math, you're not good at any stem stuff, you're not a risk taker, you're not an innovator. you probably have an iq of 90. what are you going to do then? genuinely i think you're cooked. i think then you have no way of making a good amount of money.

[modest tundra]

did u ping me?

[rose cape]

Just do youtube ig

[misty shuttle]

at this rate, dont do anything bro. you have to work 60 hrs per week if you want good money, or else join Pak military. it has more control over your country than your own govt so you get power plus money. you gotta work 50+ hrs for six figure jobs or else become an academic(professor or smth in US/Britain/Switzerland)

[sharp oracle]

yap

[misty shuttle]

?

[nimble cloud]

yap

[misty shuttle]

bitter truth hurt bad mate?

[sharp oracle]

U don’t need to work 50+ hours for six figures

If anything the more u earn the more the hours u work go down

[misty shuttle]

it depends

[sharp oracle]

By the time your earning six figs in engineering or even finance it’s not gonna be 60 anymore

[misty shuttle]

iw as talking about quant or smth as he said he was doing maths

[sharp oracle]

Quants work less hours than investment bankers

[misty shuttle]

but at teh starting its more

[sharp oracle]

What are u yapping about

Average hours a week in quant is 45-50

[misty shuttle]

you work more hours when you get the job bruh i know a guy hes a quant in JP

he worked 55 hrs at the start

[sharp oracle]

Then it goes down

[misty shuttle]

yes

but it takes 1-2 years

[sharp oracle]

U don’t have to work 60 hours for six figs

[sharp oracle]

That’s not long

And what u yapping about pak military asw 😭

[misty shuttle]

the way the guy who posted this thread was talking, i think even a month is long for him

[misty shuttle]

its true

i aint pak but its true

[sharp oracle]

It js isn’t 😭✌️

[misty shuttle]

ahem,

[sharp oracle]

Bro rlly said ahem 😭

[misty shuttle]

zia ul haq?

and teh guy after him?

alr alr ok lets not get political

are you a pakistani by any chance?

[sharp oracle]

Isn’t he dead

[misty shuttle]

yeah but still

[sharp oracle]

God no

[misty shuttle]

leave it

[sharp oracle]

What power does he have in Europe 😭

[misty shuttle]

ah ok

i am an indian bruh thats why i do have... something aginst our pakistani neighbours

but its ok

leave it

[sharp oracle]

Aight

[misty shuttle]

anyways they did have a lot of military rule and coups

[sharp oracle]

Had no relevance or impact on Europe or America though

[misty shuttle]

but anyways, it always depends where you get the job. if its JP Morgan, Oracle etc then yeah its hard at first but time goes down

[misty shuttle]

it did have on india but leave it

[sharp oracle]

JPMorgan is def on the higher end

[misty shuttle]

for quant. investment bankers earn more but work more

[sharp oracle]

Realistically starting quants work like 50 hours

45 at the low end

[misty shuttle]

year true

[sharp oracle]

Bro

Quant earns more than investment bankers

[misty shuttle]

yeah

but not everytime

[sharp oracle]

Wdym not everytime

[misty shuttle]

see some companies offer more to IBs than quants

at least you dont compete with Asians like us and southeast for IB

[sharp oracle]

Junior quants start on 200k-350k dollars at top firms IB starts at 140-180k dollars at top firms

[nimble cloud]

yo isnt quant like top 0.01% or something according to bubles

[misty shuttle]

ive seen 350k IB start

[sharp oracle]

Source?

[misty shuttle]

trust me

[sharp oracle]

That wouldn’t make it more difficult

[sharp oracle]

Source?

[misty shuttle]

saw on youtube once 🥀

[nimble cloud]

🤣

[sharp oracle]

YouTube as a source 😭✌️

[misty shuttle]

thought that cant be true

but idk

[sharp oracle]

Is isn’t

Quants earn almost double investment bankers starting

But getting into quant is way harder

Than IB

[nimble cloud]

do u think u can get into quant bubbles

if u wanted

[sharp oracle]

Probs not

To get into quant u either need a masters like financial engineering from a top uni

Or a phd

[misty shuttle]

yeah coz you have asians like us competeing for it. we may lack social skills but at maths we are crazy good

[sharp oracle]

Yap

[nimble cloud]

is the degree hard or are you referring to the top uni part being competetive

or both

[sharp oracle]

Both

The acceptance rate for top financial engineering degrees is tiny

And the degree is incredibly hard

[sharp oracle]

If anything getting into quant in South Asia is probs easier

[nimble cloud]

what makes you say that?

[sharp oracle]

The unis aren’t that good

They’re gonna be less selective based on uni

Theres a reason there’s loads of Indians in the Uk studying I ain’t ever seen somebody form the Uk go to India to study ✌️

[nimble cloud]

makes sense

[nimble cloud]

yep

[sharp oracle]

I js checked

The best ones

Have sub 5 percent

Acceptance rate

Remember u need a maths heavy degree to even apply

[nimble cloud]

🙏

[sharp oracle]

Getting into quant

Is js not plausible for majority of people

Probs the one of the most difficult thing to get into out of all professions

[sharp oracle]

Your welcome

[eager helm]

Gave +1 Rep to @sharp oracle (58)

[nimble cloud]

lol

[sharp oracle]

Your welcome

[eager helm]

Gave +1 Rep to @sharp oracle (59)

[nimble cloud]

maybe ill go for investment banking

wish yall luck

[sharp oracle]

You too bro

If your good enough at maths u could do quant tbh

You’d js have to do further maths a level

Get A* in fm and normal maths

Then go to a top uni to study maths

[nimble cloud]

Yeah so i think if i devote my life to it i have a high chance of doing this

However i cant do it while going for extracurriculars

[sharp oracle]

No

[nimble cloud]

And judging the fact that sub 5 get accepted i dont think ill be getting in without ec

[sharp oracle]

Extra curricular aren’t like

That bad

You’d js need stuff like maths Olympiad

If your going for pure maths

Instead of finance

[sharp oracle]

That’s for financial engineering

A masters u do after u get first degree

U can js do an internship while in uni

[nimble cloud]

Yep thats what i was talking about, however for getting into quant the most reliable method is financial engineering right?

[sharp oracle]

Yes

But it’s easiest to get into that masters

With a pure maths degree

U can still get in with a economics or engineering degree

But it’s easier with pure maths degree

[nimble cloud]

Alright now

Ill go for pure maths but what if financial engineering doesnt work out, like i get rejected, what then?

[sharp oracle]

Then u js don’t do quant

[nimble cloud]

Ill be stuck with pure maths right? so is there any plan b

[nimble cloud]

So i js go for IB

[sharp oracle]

There’s a lot u can do with a pure maths degree

[nimble cloud]

Alright whats the best plan b then

It would be IB yes?

[sharp oracle]

Or private equity

Actuary is also good

[nimble cloud]

Okay

[sharp oracle]

And machine learning research

[nimble cloud]

My main issue rn is idk any finance disciplines lmao

[sharp oracle]

There’s a lot of options

[sharp oracle]

U don’t have to

U don’t even have to think about that till uni

Maths and engineering are both extremely versatile degrees

[nimble cloud]

Okay ill research on some math olympiads

[sharp oracle]

Alr

[nimble cloud]

By the way is volunteer work even worth it

[sharp oracle]

U usually do them through school

[sharp oracle]

If u have nothing else

To do yes

I did some I js put it at the very bottom of my cv

Cause

It’s not that valuable

[nimble cloud]

I think ill do it this summer then and maybe ill do some tutor work or something in order to build up portfolio

[sharp oracle]

For medicine it’s great

Fairs

[nimble cloud]

Also my plan rn is

Im in grade 10 rn ending it,
ill search up internships and their requirements and if i find some that i want ill put their requirements into an excel sheet and grind the requirements out

[sharp oracle]

Fairs

I did that for work experiences asw

Anyways I gotta go

Gl

[nimble cloud]

Alright cya thanks @sharp oracle

[eager helm]

Gave +1 Rep to @sharp oracle (60)

[cursive folio]

Yea I'm going to try and become a quant or an actuary

[safe flame]

"Asians like us" "im indian"😭😭😭

no disrespect though

[misty shuttle]

are we not asians mate🥀

[nimble cloud]

if your indian say your indian
biologically you are asian i guess but people are gonna asume ur korean or japanease or smt like that

its like saying your from america then being from brazil bcz brazil is in south america continent

[misty shuttle]

yes, but india does fall under the asian continent, though your point is valid. but saying "im from america" means you are from the US. for the brazillian thing to be correct, they can say i am from south america or smth.

[rigid violet]

falls under the asia continent but so does half of russia

[nimble cloud]

this is such a stupid convo lmao

[nimble cloud]

you are correct 👍

[misty shuttle]

yes. so? the entirety of india falls in Asia. and its not just half of russia, its more than 3/4.

[rigid violet]

Your right but when people refer to asians they usually aren't discussing brown or russian people thats all im saying

[misty shuttle]

i get your point, and what im saying is that indians, pakistanis, and east russians(beyond the ural mountains) are asians

[rigid violet]

of course i agree