beta-season-test-chat

[rich silo]

oh there's a new counter upstairs for the salon

[high atlas]

I like the tassels, but I do agree they're a bit crowded. I'm glad it's an older version cuz the other is such a simple, yet effective look

[iron island]

Cape is bugged and I'm almost crying

[lavish matrix]

Haunted pet for 1 build

[tulip veldt]

Please enjoy your pet capes before they all get sent off over the rainbow to live in the big tasseled cape closet in the sky

[olive forum]

Thanks! I almost had a heart attack because this became my favorite cape these days!

[icy isle]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
take a guess what are sky kid might do in the third emote cause i don't know what that is

[shell fossil]

(igotchu)

[orchid knot]

It looks like when you shake your fists from side to side in like a celebration kinda way? but I could be reaching

[astral zealot]

Literally @grand epoch and i getting chased by the haunted cape tassels

[lavish matrix]

In my head it's uh the hands clasped and wishing gong xi fa cai

[hallow pendant]

Anyone know where to find the quest plants. ?

[golden ore]

I'm picturing that new emote to be like a combination of blushing prospector and forgetful storyteller's.

[orchid knot]

new uwu emote just dropped?

[high atlas]

It looks cute. It must have been that spirit spotted out of bounds in sunny forest.

Wait let me check if it's still there this build

[icy isle]

I'm thinking of that one emote in a Minecraft mod 😭

[golden ore]

Yes! That's the expression i was looking for

[devout venture]

kinda reminds me of shaking a dice cup. or that thingy where movie stars shake their hands near their head when winning something.

#beta-screenshots-videos message this thing

[orchid knot]

maybe radiance guide scores a goal throwing dye backwards across their shoulder and it lands perfectly in the bath and they celebrate with a good ol' whoop whoop fist shake

[lavish matrix]

Oh that makes more sense!!

[vale temple]

I thought the new little emote looked like a swoon emote lol

[lavish matrix]

Radiance guide rolls a n 20

[orchid knot]

yeah I thought this too, I don't think I described it properly though

[devout venture]

ah same thought train then 🤝 my bad

[orchid knot]

Nooo it's okay, I was thinking of footballers in my head 😭

[upper drift]

i think the tassels could be am accessory bc i do really like them, its a mood thing for me tbh bc the tassels are growing on me lolol

[orchid knot]

what if we get the tassels as really long earrings

[devout venture]

careful it's just the haunted tassels trying to tempt you to the dark side /j

[high atlas]

Yes it is still there

Maybe I'll sneak underground and see if I can get a better look. It looks closer this time

[pseudo adder]

can anyone share the new dye shop ui update into the sc channel? updates said it changed, is it a mix of dual scroll & dye jars now? or

[rich silo]

oh the new dye UI is SNAZZY

[high atlas]

I cannot get a closer look, unfortunately. I tried to bring my camera under the world, but it seems that's not allowed because of whatever falling physics exist under sunny forest

[ionic pendant]

I'm so sad we can only have two dyed versions for items now. 😭

[lavish matrix]

#beta-season-test-chat message

Hopefully there'll be more in longer term

[safe hemlock]

Guide is pointing me to vault for next quest black n white dyes. Only area I cant access is vault maze as it crashes upon entering. Presume it could be in there as im not finding dye plants anywhere else. Anyone else with this issue? Will be reporting too.

[lavish matrix]

This imply that the ram can only hold 2 at most for all cosmetics without crashing, and longer term means that by then the ram / servers would be stronger

[ionic pendant]

Oh! Thank you Grey! I hope maybe they can get that figured out by the time the season hits live or at least its .5 live patch. ^_^;

[orchid knot]

I'm gonna feedback that we get at least 3, 3 feels like an okay number, 2 feels weird to me

[lavish matrix]

LETS GOO they heard my suggestion about the UI

[high atlas]

Unless sky hates odd numbers and three will break it

[pseudo adder]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
wow this is stunning actually. scrolling looks so smooth and the colours dont flash white when a new one is chosen so you can compare the color difference a lot easier!!! and it shows the jars icon while still being a circle with the main colour.
also shows the material cost. i like this a lot.

[lavish matrix]

Same here! The scrolling and having the chosen colours lining up is one of my suggestions too

[ionic pendant]

Oh neat, can't wait to get on and test this new UI. ^_^

[upper drift]

itd everything i ever wanted from the UI

[high atlas]

It's so sleek I agree. It works really well!

[rich silo]

I love the fact it scrolls, it's way more friendly to different screen sizes too
the old one was too clunky to view the colours

[lavish matrix]

It's chefs kiss perfect

[solar patio]

aaand you can preview the mixed colors in the confirm button, I like this

[rich silo]

I like that they returned the bajillion jars to the top left of the screen also
like naturally you'd be used to looking that way anyway because all the currencies are there

[high atlas]

It also has all the dye jars you have which is nice

[pseudo adder]

plus the secondary color has a UI difference with the larger border, visually implying that its the secondary addition + not as strong as the first

the ui feels more colourblind-friendly than previous

[lavish matrix]

Yeah I like that detail!

[orchid knot]

Ohhh showcasing the dyes up top with numbers is very very helpful

[lavish matrix]

Also that the circles aren't just plain colours, it might be colour blind friendly with the colour symbols

[solar patio]

ouch it crashed crashing is still the biggest enemy

[high atlas]

The lack of the blinking ui at the top of the screen for the dye jars is making me not realize i have full jars now

[craggy bobcat]

Love how my phone takes hours to update a single build

[golden ore]

Gonna put finding pigment plants in vault on today's to-do list

[high atlas]

Dye plants do still reset hourly, thats nice!

[rich silo]

they've significantly reduced in the giga plants I noticed

[ionic pendant]

Ah, yup that grandpa hallways sure does crash.

[solar patio]

name: MainThread >>> com.tgc.sky.android.test.gold <<<
uid: 10204
signal 11 (SIGSEGV), code 1 (SEGV_MAPERR), fault addr 0x0
Cause: null pointer dereference

sure okay......😭

[royal oyster]

Where are rare seasonal white and black plants in vault?

[high atlas]

Just burned a plant and suddenly it respawned 😭

[ember hull]

What's the dye collecting rate now?

[high atlas]

Hm also these plants seem to struggle to burn now. Especially in servers that merge a lot

[upper drift]

tbh i don't like the dye jars in the corner as much 😔 unless they saturate it more to make it more noticeable, bc i didn't notice it for a while on v1 UI

its more noticeable now though which i do like, so maybe i won't struggle as much this time lol but i'll have to see with further testing

[rich silo]

it only appears there when you open the dye station UI

[high atlas]

Oh my god these plants are so broken what is happening 😭

[rich silo]

they've reverted to like
you know the switch burning hell time during shards, that

[high atlas]

They vanish magically, they stop burning for 5 minutes, and this most recent one just dusted away while I was burning the vine????

[solar lark]

Next thing you know the plants will be praying

[clever quiver]

this black and white dyes where do i find it in vault?

[still raven]

After the update I can able to go into the realm but unlimited daily light refresh is still there.

[prisma sapphire]

[high atlas]

I think it's bugged right now. You can get them from any realm though! I found the easiest to be flight area since it has all colors

[prisma sapphire]

Wheres that?

[clever quiver]

ooh i see! thanks!

[prisma sapphire]

Birdnest?

[high atlas]

The flight area is accessible to the left of where the realm portals are in aviary! You can fly into the cloud tunnel and it'll take you there

[prisma sapphire]

Ohhhhhh! Ty

[solar patio]

Anyone had problem going into the map behind the hole at the right side of Vault entrance? My beta crashes as soon as I enter there.
Maybe they added something secret there

edit: null pointer dereference again... but stable triggered this time

[analog crater]

Mine is too :<

[blissful grove]

All annoying bugs are set aside. Then you go on a dye run with a friend whose perspective is different from yours. You see a plant somewhere; he sees it somewhere else.

[vale temple]

Anyone else crash when entering where wise grandparent is in vault? I am trying to do the season quest for finding black and white dye plants in vault

[waxen oyster]

Are there any plants in vault? The last quest pointed to Vault to collect black and white dye but I cant find any

[lavish matrix]

Sounds like it's in the wise grandparent maze bc how players have reported crashing there and not finding any somewhere else in vault?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah sounds like they might be in there

[lavish matrix]

What is the grandpa hiding in there

[vale temple]

He heard white and black dye is rare so he boarded up his area and is going to hold it for ransom

[lavish matrix]

Sounds like smth they would do😭

[vale temple]

Honestly can't blame him for playing the system 😭 said "I'm going to take this and retire from teaching Skykids how to stand politely with the chunk of candles I get"

[blissful grove]

I brought from Waste & Valley... ✅

[forest glen]

Where do I find the plants in vault?

[golden ore]

Not at summit, felt like i sped ran for nothing

[golden ore]

I could use the fire logic in spongebob for the plants at treasure reef. Why they gotta be underwater.

[rustic zodiac]

Beta updates says "maximum number of outfit color variants updated to two", does that mean we can't have 9 different saved outfit colors anymore and now we can only have a Max of 2?

[vale temple]

Now that I'm not crashing anymore I can go back to attempting to get 1 single black dye pot.

[craggy bobcat]

Weeeeellll, I’m crashing. Gonna run prairie, forest, valley and flight paths

[forest glen]

Can we change the two outfits then? Or is this permanent?

[elfin rose]

Hello, everyone, I just joined the channel. I'm not sure how to use it. I encountered a problem in the light test suit. There is a question about how to apply for account unbinding. How can I apply and tell my questions? Please forgive me if there are any inadequacies in the description of the translation software I use. This problem is very important to me. I hope you can help me.🥺🥺

[vale temple]

What is the account link? Gmail?

[hardy tide]

Does the emote already in or not yet

[vale temple]

No we don't know what the new emote is. It's greyed out and no one has gotten it yet

[opaque anvil]

what if we could gather dye from colored clouds? like you could gather white and blue dye from prairie clouds, green dye from the wasteland, red and orange dye from aviary and valley clouds during sunset, purple and black dye during nighttime, and so on. not only would this a nice change pace from the usual plant burning, but it'd make clouds a bit more interesting

also, this would have the bonus effect of making the passage of time in aviary actually matter! now players will watch for the time to collect the dye they want

[lavish matrix]

I think that's a good idea! Do feedback
Maybe have the butterflies scatter in the clouds and we collect dyes from them as an alternative method

[cloud ocean]

You can make new combinations, but you have to delete existing ones

[fresh carbon]

is it just me or does anyone LOVE the tassels on the cape.. maybe not that specific cape but I think they're cute

[balmy tapir]

Can't get over the irony of "Maximum number of outfit color variants updated to two"

[odd summit]

can the regular base outfits be dyed?

[rich silo]

if you mean basegame moth pants, no

[pseudo olive]

did anyone find the vault dye plant yet 😭

[rich silo]

it's in the maze, going there makes your game explode
you can still complete the quest without going there as long as you get black and white dye elsewhere

[prisma agate]

ah so thats why my game crashed when i tried to go there

[pseudo olive]

ooooh that sucks soooo bad ☹️ ty

[golden ore]

wise grandpa hoarding the good stuff

[oak quarry]

does anyone know if the hair with the ribbons (the current TS hair) will be dyeable in the upcoming update? I don’t have a Beta acc so i can’t check unfortunately :( thank you so much (i hope im allowed to ask here! )

[somber oyster]

Anyone else crashing in the archives?

Oh I just read up

[lavish matrix]

Wide grandparent: no kids here

[cedar helm]

Where should I look for the plant for the 4th quest? I've visited the entire Vault.

[prisma agate]

peepaw gatekeeping the whole archives smh
he really doesnt want any skids touching the dyes there XD

[cedar helm]

I couldn't access the archive, the game is crashing

[prisma agate]

yeah thats the place where the vault dyes are unfortunately

for now you can get the bnw dyes in the other realms, tho they are quite rare

[cedar helm]

Hmm this bad

[prisma agate]

if you have spare bnw i heard you can complete the quest immediately 🤔

but if not then we just gotta sweep the whole realms clear of the plants hoping we can get one of black/white dyes until they release a fix

[somber oyster]

Am I crazy or do some dye plants give wax too now?

[prisma agate]

yeah it seems that the dye plants can have some of the wax plants be in its cluster

[lavish matrix]

ooo double reward

[somber oyster]

happy to see this in-game

[lavish matrix]

That's actually a great incentive to burn the dyes

[prisma agate]

tho its like. 1-5 wax from what i've seen

[lavish matrix]

But still

Wax is wax ill eat them up

[somber oyster]

Extra wax is extra wax 😌

[lavish matrix]

Also are dyes still specific to the realms 👁

[somber oyster]

Yea!

[prisma agate]

also since the dye plants are shown when you honk if you have a radiance quest active the dye runs is smooth sailing for me

since the bnw dyes takes 7 business days to get im gonna take advantage of this

[somber oyster]

Same! I was wondering if this was because we have the quest active, because it made realise that I do not want the indicators to stay forever / long term

[prisma agate]

yeahh its bound to get annoying at some point (especially when you're trying to cr instead of a dye run) but since its beta and i dont do cr here i dont really mind

the goes away anyways when you finish the quest

[lavish matrix]

Ohhh that's actually helpful! For the first timers

Wait are the quests replayable?

[lavish matrix]

Ohh awesome

So it can be easier to plan on which realm to go if you have a specific dye goal

[balmy tapir]

The way things currently are it incentivises dye hoarding if anything

[lavish matrix]

dye hoarding but I feel its nice to have some supply when you want to get new dyes

[balmy tapir]

If I can only have two options I'd want to have all the dyes before I commit to anything, otherwise it's just a waste of dye

[cosmic vine]

fr, there's no way im spending any black or white until I feel like I have room to make a single mistake (it's a week worth of effort down the drain)

[balmy tapir]

If we can get black and white directly that's nice but how long will it take before that quest in live

[lavish matrix]

8 weeks I'm guessing?

Or 6

[balmy tapir]

And if plants renewing every hour isn't just a beta thing

[lavish matrix]

I wonder too 🤔 is the dye rate any better

[balmy tapir]

Gonna wait weeks until certain colors become available then

[lavish matrix]

Yeah it's kinda like a tutorial ish season so gotta let new players learn about where they can them one by one

[orchid knot]

I wonder if they've considered getting some dye back if we delete customisations, it could potentially help players feel better about dyeing things and not worrying so much about losing their dye if they didn't like the thing, but then I wonder about the complications of that

[lavish matrix]

I think it's better than getting immediately overwhelmed by so many colours you can do and make regrettable decisions. Like you gotta learn where you dye run for specific dyes all at once, which would've been too much. So maybe biweekly quests where you learn and get used to the dye routes would be manageable

dye refund...hmm its probably not as simple as it sounds imo

[orchid knot]

As long as we still get some white and black butterflies amongst the plants in other realms cause if we had to wait that long it would be like others said hoarding the rest of my dye until I can use them with white or black

[lavish matrix]

Tbh dye refund would be nice if its possible but I'm not sure the negative consequences it might bring 🤔

[balmy tapir]

Well it'll be like, why would I just run red and yellow for two weeks, it's not even the colors I can use, especially with the two slots limitation

[orchid knot]

I think if the resources are well balanced deleting customisations and not getting dye back is fine, for me personally I wouldn't expect it anyways, but I think if it takes so long to get the dye it's a big investment for some

[cosmic vine]

I don't personally see us getting the dye back
the game doesn't have any "refund" system in general, and you gotta ask what would happen to they dye if the one you have in your pocket is already at 99

[lavish matrix]

Ohh true, perhaps it might be better with the quests being weekly, and the final one being 2 weeks apart from the 4th one?

[orchid knot]

refunding all my dye with my jar counts all at 99 and each time you use another dye it stays at 99 from all the invisible dye

[balmy tapir]

I was thinking if they're planning to have them closer together and if that's gonna be all the quests, so far they've been basically identical

[cosmic vine]

transparent dye real?!?!?! /j

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! It reminds me of the revival quests where they've been p much weekly? So that might be a possibility

Also the 4th quest has you to collect black and white, right? So I wonder what 5th one is even about (I'm surprised that we test 80% of the quests in the first half of the season test 28.0)

[cosmic vine]

this j is me looking straight at the camera like they do in the office so that no live passerby would take it out of context

[lavish matrix]

Well, maybe I'm wrong and we may don't get 5, maybe we get more 😭 im not sure how many this season will have

[balmy tapir]

That's true 🤔

[lavish matrix]

Yea since they're p much identical, it makes sense to have them closer to each other for efficiency

Hold on......... there's only 3 spirits,,, who's the featured spirit for the 4th one

[cosmic vine]

the holy spirit 🙏

[lavish matrix]

PLS

This season structure had me mildly confused 😭

[orchid knot]

Idk right now I'm convinced it's a 3 spirit season

[lavish matrix]

Yeah wait has anyone checked the radiance constellation

[orchid knot]

it's funny because the only original spirit is the guide themselves since the gang are from gratitude

[ancient pulsar]

I did and it seems to have three spirits so far

[lavish matrix]

Truly an unique season

[orchid knot]

the aviary expansions always are

[ancient pulsar]

I think that's still a place holder and they'll actually be doing their respective emotes

[balmy tapir]

Gratitude rerunning for this season is so odd tbh. What they even gonna call them

[lavish matrix]

Yeah!! We had Duets with 5 spirits entities, now Radiance with 3 actual spirits

[orchid knot]

gradiance!

[golden ore]

Gratitude 0.5

[lavish matrix]

I'm curious too, their names are placeholders rn

[balmy tapir]

The first four quests one week apart from each other. The fifth is in 50 days

[cosmic vine]

gratitude spirits are so big on nicknames for some reason
auspicious visitor I'm looking at you

[lavish matrix]

Flashbacks to duets final quest 80 days in beta

Can we summon the spirits from the constellation

[arctic finch]

Days of feast is public or no else I will not discuss anywhere else

[orchid knot]

Here's what I'm thinking cause we got cymbals and their outfits look grand and the emotes look like they could be used during/after performing - the 5th quest could be some kind of parade

[lavish matrix]

It'll be coming on 23rd December

[pine crypt]

how long is it until moomin finishes i NEED my green and gold cosmetics brah

[high atlas]

Moomin finishes in 24 days iirc. But I'm also ready for silly dye season in live

[waxen oyster]

I’m so ready for the dye season too! Normally I love seasons which bring new areas to the maps of sky, but this season is really special! The creative possibilities are endless!

[cloud ocean]

Well there’s only 3 new expressions so…

[hybrid crown]

Without giving away too many spoilers (I want to wait till live to see them fully), are the quests in radiance pretty much fully focused on the new dye feature? Or is there actually a story. Cause I disliked nesting and shattering for the reason that quests were only focused on the new features and not on any story or characters

[high atlas]

I mean, it's a story, but it's just not a super complex story. It is still mainly focused on the dye feature since that's the main mechanic for this season.

[hybrid crown]

Welp

[high atlas]

If you are comparing it to nesting story wise, yeah it kinda is similar.

[hybrid crown]

[olive prairie]

Hey beta chat, do y'all know if the days of music event cape is dyeable? And what parts can be dyed? If possible could someone link me an image? Thank you 🙏 :D

[cosmic vine]

it is dyeable, but it only adds a gradient at the bottom, which is uhh, an acquired taste I suppose
I could've sworn we had a photo up somewhere, but I couldn't find it

[hallow pendant]

I love the concept of dyes. However getting them is going to be a task. Specially for new players who need to collect wax for candles and now the dyes … which take a long time. There has to be a better way to do this

[somber oyster]

Dye plants are behaving so weirdly in this update - some just randomly shrink and disappear, some grow out of nowhere?

[lavish matrix]

Lemme guess, in the 4th quest the guide themselves will dye their ult cape black and white? that would be so cool

Also seeing that we test 4 quests in just few weeks of beta testing...so I'm theorising we get a big quest in 28.5 or more than 5 quests

[hushed charm]

I didnt know you could just deep honk to get the dye out of the butterflies, thats a bit more convenient, being kidnapped to heaven apart

[calm moss]

I am annoyed

Season of radiance cutscene starts over and over even game doesn't crash anymore

[solar patio]

I hope we could have a colored dark plant radar or something like that

[tulip veldt]

me: trying to get bugged burning plants on video. plants: HAHAHH we're fine! we all burn completely normally now!

[fading frigate]

When will year of the snake goods be tested?

[slate valve]

Soon, rn it seems the devs are more focused on fixing the refresh bug

[ember hull]

#beta-screenshots-videos message sooo what's the plan here?

[slate valve]

🏊

[mellow nebula]

I would love to un-annoy you! If you could provide me with some details that would help me track it down 🐛 . What is your home currently set to and have you made any Season of Revival progress to awaken Aviary Village? Thank you so much!

[visual ivy]

hi beta chat! was curious to know if ninny’s pants - the moomin ultimate reward - is dyeable in the upcoming season. if so could anybody show me? thanks!

[high atlas]

No it's not, and actually, no collab items are dyable atm

[visual ivy]

ahh okay, tysm!

[trail notch]

Ngl watching new vines grow in real time is kinda satisfying

[high atlas]

I did watch a big plant disappear, and tiny ones grow after, and it is interesting to watch! I do agree

[calm moss]

I didn't pass Eden yet as quest and I start at regular home, not in aviary village

[trail notch]

I saw them disappear and a new huge octopus just sprouting it's vines it was awesome

[solar patio]

I gonna share a crash too.

My sky crashes as soon as I enter the map behind the hole at the right side of the entrance of Vault. Log said it's a null pointer dereference

[livid bridge]

Omg everyone can I ask where I can send help 😭

Today I'm login beta as regular but when login finish, suddenly I fall to dark room and lose all my winglights. When I come back, my wings are all gone 😭😭 Has anyone meet this bug before can show me what should I do now? I'm so confused and frustrated, because I use my friend's account and she will hate me if she know I lost all wings she saving all those years 😭

[solar patio]

Sharing accounts is not suggested.
However I think you may ask your friend first - maybe they intended to do this?

[calm moss]

I think it's the most bugged season on beta tbh

[livid bridge]

No is all my fault, cause she is busy on her work this time and ask me to take care of her account, so I can confirm these days only me login. But I swear that i am not in any bad situation (rain, krill, rocks, polluted area) or any dangerous map (Forest, Golden Wasteland, Eye of Eden). I swear last time login I just in Aviary and Old home, didn't go anywhere but today login I fall to dark room, still not know why 😭😭😭

[tulip veldt]

sounds like you fell asleep in the rain and got sent to the pity room ?

[livid bridge]

NO I DIDN'T 😭😭😭 I SWEAR OMG

[calm moss]

I tried to enter the game now, it's not repeating over and over again, finally I can test everything I wanted on beta
But it happened to me

[solar lark]

Was she a capeless account before?

[livid bridge]

No she didn't, her account even have 12 wings, which mean > 200 winglights

[tulip veldt]

well, you can still go around and collect them again; it's not like they're gone

[pseudo adder]

all her WL can be retrieved if u go to eden to refresh her WBs when being reborn, and then u wlrun her account. she should be back up to 200. the most time consuming part of it would be trials and shattering wl. it will just take time

[solar patio]

I'll just be honest if this happens on me. I'll go to eden and find winged lights, then tell her all about your fear, worries and hard work on it. (remember https://discord.com/channels/575762611111592007/587794151408402534 for skykids that can guide you for all winged lights!)

[livid bridge]

Thanks a lot, I'll try it! My god i knew the beta had a lot of bugs but i didnt expect this. I reported the bug to the devs but i dont think they will fix my case soon. Now i am panicking because its not easy to get over 200 winglights, it is a long process not just picking up the map wings.

Thanks u guys a lot!! I'll try to go Eden and checking again 😭😭

[somber oyster]

@livid bridge I’m not familiar with the bug you experienced, and I recommend making a bug report about this. However, sharing accounts is against the Terms of Service - even in a beta environment - and puts your account at risk. I suggest leaving your friends’ account as is, and waiting for an official invite wave to join beta yourself.

[livid bridge]

Yes thank you, I'll say about this to account's real owner 😭 Sorry for this disadvantage. I promise I won't do this again, hope you believe me

[solar patio]

Oh Sof I have a trouble - I exported a crash log, or "tombstone files" that contains information which may be useful for tracking issue, but Android System warns me that this log contains sensitive personal information and should be only shared to trusted person. I have no idea what to do next and need suggestions

[cosmic vine]

you don't need to send the crash log, tgc has it already
#beta-discussion message

[solar patio]

looks like Log said that it failed to upload crash log because of permission denied(13)

ERROR filesystem_posix.cc:63] mkdir /data/data/com.tgc.sky.android.test.gold/files/.com.google.firebase.crashlytics.files.v1/open-sessions/67510B4901AE00014013AFA731070F42/native: Permission denied (13)

[somber oyster]

I assume Wes was indeed talking about the Android crash logs as well - I’m personally not really familiar with “tombstone files”, but I can check and get back to you on this! I assume that if it does contain sensitive information, that you could share it in the feedback channels.

Let me get back to you on this!

[modest wraith]

I love how this season has added 5 new cosmetics to my sky wishlist because of the dying capabilities 😭

[orchid knot]

Oh no tapping out the menu closes the dye UI again 😔

[calm moss]

Sorry how to receive dye color or what is it, it shows that it's full but it doesn't have candle animation or something to show how to get it

[trail notch]

It's in the emote menu in the last tab with spells.

[olive prairie]

Oh cool alright thank you!!

[brazen token]

All hail Sagomay 🙌

[barren tapir]

leaving my nest today and not immediately crashing was so euphoric i don't ever need drugs

[craggy bobcat]

Does anyone know how many black dyes are in wasteland?

[haughty plume]

Pretty sure it’s random

[indigo eagle]

So anyone’s who’s done the last seasonal quest. Star is saying I should go to Vault to collect black and white die to finish quest. But I did the whole realm and found not a single plant. What am I missing? Is it something different another way to collect the dye?

[rich silo]

there's black and white dye in the other realms, easiest is just go to wind paths since it has all colours

[vivid geyser]

The radience scarf cape redesign makes us look like we have 1 million power in World of Warlocks™️ out now on Appstore and Google Pla-

[forest zealot]

I'd play that ngl

[vivid geyser]

Im not a beta tester but i'll miss the old (prolly ult) scarf. Seemed much more stylable

[lavish matrix]

The current scarf design is actually an older and scrapped design, but it made its way into beta it's sentient lol

[vivid geyser]

...it wants revenge

[lavish matrix]

yes

[solar patio]

what an uplifting scarf

[mellow nebula]

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We love you all - I'm lucky to be able to make experiences for you ❤️

[orchid knot]

we're lucky to have YOU making such cool experiences for us, thank you Nick and the rest of the team!

[hallow pendant]

And still can’t do last quest… not getting enough black

[haughty plume]

Are there dye plants in Prairie Peaks and the Little Prince and 9CD maps? I’m assuming probably so but they’re so gigantic I haven’t dared look yet 😅

[solar patio]

I'm sure Peaks have dye plants,and I think it's color is same to other maps in Prairie. Never seen dye plants in all Little Prince maps and 9CD map

[craggy bobcat]

Plants in Prairie peaks can show up with purple and some cyan, I like heading there when I’m reading prairie and forest

[solar patio]

oh do they? I'll check that out later when I get home

[craggy bobcat]

I have some pictures of my prairie peaks plants over at the screenshots channel

[past python]

anybody know where to finish the quest 4?

[solar patio]

I'll give you a clue: not in Vault. Trust me

[past python]

oh really? Do you know where it is? I tried many times in there

[indigo eagle]

I finished in Wind Paths. They have all the colors there

[past python]

Thank you! I'll try now!

[pseudo cedar]

Please tell me they're gonna work on improving the way you get the dyes.. you shouldn't have to spend SO much time just to get a single dye 😭😭 sky literally becoming a job

[craggy bobcat]

I like grinding for the black dye. I just find it annoying bc I hate mobile. I play better on counsels

[wooden sedge]

Did anyone get crash game when going to Vault?

[craggy bobcat]

Going into wise grandpa’s section causes crashes all time

[past python]

I give up to find the black color now I only find the white color for an hour

[craggy bobcat]

Wasteland and wind paths are the most common with the black dye, but even they are pretty rare to find .

[lavish matrix]

You can feedback about how you feel about the dye collection #beta-feedback

[past python]

I haven't find black dye in wind paths, I'm going to wasteland to find it now

[lavish matrix]

Also did I notice that some regular darkness plants now have dyes with them in the screenshots, is that true? Or maybe I'm seeing things xD

Cuz I heard some plants give both wax and dye

[craggy bobcat]

Some have given me wax and dye

[lavish matrix]

I see :o now that's a good motivator to burn them :D

[craggy bobcat]

If you need help, you can always ping me!

[past python]

okay thank you!!!

[past python]

I find it in wasteland! thanks for help!

[craggy bobcat]

I’m done for the night. I’ve been on this version for about 5-6ish hours

[solar patio]

I think that's some dye plants but bugged out

[craggy bobcat]

They better keep it

[solar patio]

not so much waxes, though. I met less than 20 bugged waxes during my 10.5 hours in beta this week

[trail notch]

I'm so glad they put slipping back in the game because it makes collecting dye so funny xDD

[craggy bobcat]

It freaking hilarious when I’m in the middle of moving and sudden fall

[ionic pendant]

I do hope they find ways to make dye collection not so grindy for live. ^_^;;

[trail notch]

Don’t hope, send feedbacks!!!

[ionic pendant]

I already have. ^_^;

[hidden geyser]

Where's last season quest location?

[golden ore]

Game is pointing to vault, we think it's at archives but going inside crashes the game. But the quest is to collect black and white dye which can be found in the other realms as well.

[high atlas]

The best place to get the last quest easy is flight paths. It has all colors

[grim arch]

Hello, not a beta tester but just a little curious. Are they planning to make dyes permanent or is it just available for the duration of the next season?

[hallow pendant]

So the quest was completed without the black dye and just the white. Now I worry will that mean the black jar won’t be marked in the aviary

[bitter pier]

Is the next season candle really important, I don't see it being used to buy anything? Or is the Dev adding items to buy

[high atlas]

It's not been outright said, but it's assumed it'll be permanent. It's a whole new mechanic like the red shards, and I don't imagine they'll only use the mechanic for just a season

[high atlas]

The seasonal cosmetics were given through the shop, rather than using seasonals to buy them. But it should be available for seasonals once in live. It's only done to make testing a bit easier.

[sullen arrow]

Moomin Season... speed up so I can play around with this new Season

[kindred mirage]

Where can I find white and black dye for the new task?

[cosmic vine]

wind paths for both, prairie and forest for white, gw for black

[polar pasture]

how to get sky beta

[sweet spear]

Hey pspspps anyone know if the scolding cape is dyeable?

[rocky kayak]

the yellow part is dyeable

[sweet spear]

@cyan tartan are u lurking here

[rapid spire]

how to log in your existing public account to the sky beta? I'm scared

[balmy tapir]

Very easy - you don't. Beta is entirely separate.

[rapid spire]

So I need to make a new account? (Create new?)

Okay thank you

[ivory vortex]

Will we have colored plants in Eden? 💀

[warm plover]

Interesting... why we can't color base pants?...

[echo nymph]

Are the dyes something you have to purchase? Or like a free color palette of your choice?

[golden ore]

You have to gather the pigment from new plants in the realms.

[echo nymph]

Ooh sounds interesting!

[ember hull]

#beta-screenshots-videos message the star pin exists

[forest zealot]

dye while you die

[ivory vortex]

💀

[high atlas]

Dying for dye

[tulip veldt]

you have to do a race then you can Tie Dye 🥁

[forest zealot]

[tulip veldt]

[boreal grove]

Who's idea, was it to put dye in eden and put it in a dangerous place?

[somber oyster]

Eden and GW are okay, but treasure reef……

[median beacon]

Guys am I the only one who can't play? The intro of the season shows up all the time

[somber oyster]

Someone else mentioned this in chat too! Can you make a bug report about this?

Nick yesterday responded and asked the other member what their progress was on the revival quests, and what their home was set to. So maybe it would be helpful if you would include that information in your bug report when you have a moment

[median beacon]

My home was set on the original home and not Aviary. I'll report to the chat, but sadly, vids are limited. Could I send it to the vids channel and link it from there?

[forest zealot]

We think we finally found the issue that's been causing that! Let me see if it's going into the next patch

[orchid knot]

I'm not sure how you got on with the bug report in the end, but for this or future reports yes it's okay to post photos/videos of bugs in the usual beta screenshots channel and then link them in your bug report if it's easier to upload that way

[upper drift]

gotta get nuclear red

[hardy tide]

The cape tassle of season is bugged right

[high atlas]

The cape tassel, as in the scarf cape?

[hardy tide]

Radiance

[high atlas]

Yeah it's bugged! Also the extra tassels are from an old version that's unintended

[light mango]

Guys I'm flipping out this season's items are gorgeous

[trim oasis]

The season’s name reminds me of Radiance from Hollow Knight.

[cloud ocean]

Ah yes, the big moth

[brisk glacier]

Is it true we'll soon be able to dye any part of our pants and capes in main game???

[slate valve]

Not any part, what can be dyed varies from cosmetic to cosmetic

[brisk glacier]

Still super exciting! I hope we can dye the white fur of yeti pants! (Fingers crossed so I can make my dream outfit a reality)

[slate valve]

Feel free to lurk in the screenshots channel of beta! Peeps are super creative with color combos :D

[pseudo adder]

as of rn that is not possible

[vale temple]

Late night doot

Right as I was going to go to bed it's 1 AM

Unless it's old 😮 just got notified though

[somber oyster]

Oh, the dyes were updated again. It now costs more dye jars to dye individual items (no more 1 jar per item).

Well this might be bugged

[somber oyster]

I guess it’s more balanced now - when you need to dye smaller parts of outfits, you use less dye than when you were to dye larger parts of outfits

[lavish matrix]

Oh that makes more sense :o

[somber oyster]

What doesn’t make sense is 6 white dye jars for the smallest part of the ult(?) cape 🤣

[lavish matrix]

Maybe it's the total amount of jars needed for the overall fit, not just the cape?

nvm idk might be bugged

[upper drift]

if it costs more dye to dye stuff then maybe i do want 2-3 of each color daily

[lavish matrix]

Ye I think the rate could be updated to account to this

[solar lark]

Radiance Guide is just copying Navigator, he's the real fashionista #beta-screenshots-videos message

[golden ore]

Vault archives doesn't crash when you go in anymore but i still didn't find plants in there

[jagged tusk]

I found just a few plants. There were many other butterflies of color flying around, so it may have been after other players had burned them.

[somber oyster]

I thought they were mostly going to be black & white dye plants, but it was all blue & purple/pink. Only a few black butterflies

[golden ore]

I met sof just now 😮

[somber oyster]

Send code in DMs if you’d like

#beta-screenshots-videos message I love this so much actually, we’re finally getting some more story for the gratitude spirits. If anything, they do belong in the aviary to me

Lightseekers 2.0 when???

[grizzled lichen]

Hmm, not a big fan personally, feel like a spirit should be with their season rather than two

[solar lark]

KInda makes sense for Gratitude to Rhythm cause they have nothing

[somber oyster]

Aw that’s valid!!

I think Radiance and the dyed cosmetics do the spirits justice, especially because the traditional / festive clothing in Bhutanese culture is soooo colourful!

[golden ore]

tryna imagine the future TS for them...
TS: leaping dancer
dO tHeY hAvE pAntS?
Which version we getting again?

[grizzled lichen]

Good point, the first 4 seasons have zero content other than spirits to relive (and grandma)

Though I think they should change the names « Radiance Provoking Performer » sounds off

[solar lark]

Could just be Radiant Shaman, Radiant Performer etc

[grizzled lichen]

Yeah, would be better current name make me think of Hollow Knight radiant bosses

[solar lark]

Raidiant

[lean hearth]

they were ones of the cheapest TS when they come so they might come with the season pants and capes and the instrument (i don’t remember if one of them have already a cape but they will still sell their old cape)

[grizzled lichen]

Thanks for my future nickname

[orchid knot]

#beta-screenshots-videos message DYED RUGS !!!!! NESTING COLOURS BACK AGAIN MAYBE???

[ancient pulsar]

My assumptions
Radiance provoking performer will do cartwheel emote
Radiance greetings shaman will do love emote
And Radiance leap dancer will do the third emote

[golden ore]

still not anticipating the gratitude spirits doing the emotes 😭

[lavish matrix]

wdym 😭

[ancient pulsar]

It would have been better to have original spirits indeed

[golden ore]

the mental visual is just- disturbing

[lavish matrix]

It would be kinda clashing yea but i think it's fun to see them again in new looks xD

Leap dancer has the best look ngl, the red mask fits the outfits perfectly

[orchid knot]

I'm glad they're giving them a home, it fits nicely, but where are the rest of gratitude they need homes too!

[lavish matrix]

Sassy is too sassy for an upgrade

[orchid knot]

wait there were 6 spirits so 3 and then another 3 in a future season maybe

[lavish matrix]

👁 interesting

[lean hearth]

it makes sense to me to see already old spirits having a progression on the world and they we can’t redo their Og season too

[lavish matrix]

True..their og season lacked any content. Just them spirits

[drifting eagle]

Do we need 2 candle dyes to just dye a cosmetic???
Edit: I just saw that some require 4 candles whaat😭

[lavish matrix]

I think it depends on the area of cosmetic being dyed

[drifting eagle]

I see. Still think that that's too much tbh

[ancient pulsar]

Yeaa seems interesting can't wait for live patch notes to explain some lore behind this

[clever crypt]

I started to imagine that after Radiance Season, what if some past seasonal spirits will have their own skins too?

Except some seasonal spirits in Days events have their own skins tho but it's way more different

[placid musk]

Hello everyone, I ned a little help. I can't find the dark plants for black and white colours in Vault 🥹

[golden ore]

Keep going back to the vault archives, there's not a lot but they're in there. You can also find all colors at windpaths.

[placid musk]

Thank you 💕💕💕 I've been all up vault and all seasonal areas but couldn't find something

[lofty crypt]

i'm genuinely like... so mad that dyeing stuff costs way more now. dye is already tedious enough to gather as is, and combining that with you now needing like- 3 jars per bit ya wanna dye, PLUS the fact that they're planning on slowing down dye collection in live... it seriously just makes me feel like dyeing stuff isn't worth it anymore.

[placid musk]

I didn't got any black or white from vault plants 😵‍💫

[placid musk]

I don't like this season 😭

[lavish matrix]

It's never too late to feedback about how you feel about the current dyeing mechanic

[uncut ginkgo]

anyone else wondering how the outfit requests will work when the season comes out?

[lavish matrix]

There's always a chance so don't hesitate to feedback, the devs here have been encouraging them especially for this season, tell em whether you like things or dislike some

If you want a proof for a change thanks to feedback, I did feedback about the dyeing UI, my suggestions did get implemented

Yup! When it comes to collection and how you feel about collecting with respect to the dye jars required to dye what you want and how balanced it feels are important points to feedback about.

Like we did feedback a lot for mischief wax collection, it wasn't great in beta and now in live it was far manageable and comfortable

[kind whale]

where i can find white and black colors?

[placid musk]

Idk.. only got purple and blue from vaults plants 🥲

[lavish matrix]

Try wind paths, it has all dyes

a bit odd that the quest points b&w being in vault but there isn't as much there xD

[placid musk]

I didn't find any plants in wind paths 😭

[lavish matrix]

The plants rotate on all islands. Even one as the main entrance and shared space shrine

[placid musk]

I'll take another look 🥲 I'm so frustrated

[vague marten]

Where i can get the white dye to done the quest? I only find the black dye

[cosmic vine]

sometimes server merges make all the plants dissappear, try going home and using the return shrine to reset them 😭

[cosmic vine]

both prairie and forest plants can randomly have it

[placid musk]

I just got white from prairie up on the building by the 3 bell towers

[orchid knot]

I've been wondering if the updates to dye requirements maybe reflects on going feedback for faster dye collection - so like maybe collection will continue at the current rate but as a result they changed up the requirements for how much we need per space/item dyed

It makes some sense cause they'd wanna balance it out

I guess we'll see what happens soon, I did feel eh about the increase, especially some items needing more even though they're small stares at bunny mask but if the changes also reflect a faster collection then I don't mind, maybe

[calm garnet]

I really agreed with this, and I believe not everyone can be very active to visit all realms for collecting the dyes everyday, this is just adding more unnecessary frustration and discouraging ppl to enjoy dyes but hoarding them without using a single, also the black dye really needs to have more because it is so SLOW to gain a bottle at least in a week in a normal way

[lavish matrix]

Especially that we don't have fortune items in test yet so this means there still will be a ton of adjustments of the season and things going forward

Also it makes sense that they might want to continue the beta rate to live or maybe slightly faster, so they adjusted the requirements to balance things out. There's no explicit mention that the required amount of dyes as it was before this update was a "test" count but it might very well be but who knows

[hallow pendant]

Maybe just burning plants is enough without waiting for butterflies

[lavish matrix]

True I think have your skykid automatically absorb the dyes as they free the butterflies

And keep butterfly charmer emote thing a nice gimmick for the quest cutscene

[clever crypt]

Oh my goodness, I have some thoughts....
What if Sassy, Guru, and Salute, will have their own skins too?

[grizzled lichen]

@wary fox anything else you want to know?

[wary fox]

YESS YESS OMG I WAS SCARE BC I CHAT AT WRONG PLACE PFFT

im excited eeee so u saying we can dyed ? what about stuff we can dye? is it just burn plant? is its taking longer to collect one candles dye?

[grizzled lichen]

Only way seem to burn the plants and collect butterflies AFAIK
And yeah the processus seems to be a bit slow

[wary fox]

so in beta how many per day u can get the candle dye?

[lavish matrix]

Keep in mind things are still very much beta and can change once it comes to live so whatever it is right now might be not true

[grizzled lichen]

Also
Im not in beta

[wary fox]

aahhh u trick me pfft nw .. but thanks for spoiling me hehe

[lavish matrix]

Omg same here

Then yeah even beta testers aren't 100% sure if things will be like this for live because of how many changes beta tend to have before it comes to live

[wary fox]

im looking forward to it

[lavish matrix]

Noticed the ui for the radiance ult cow mask and the horns are symmetrical but the actual one isn't...that's silly xD

Gtg feedback to make it nicely asymmetrical like the real one

[flat cosmos]

Hello, just wondered if the day & night cycle apply only in prairie or is it in all realms?

[chilly turtle]

Wow, is that night mode in Sanctuary? :0
When it happens?
#beta-screenshots-videos message
(In the last video)

[clever crypt]

#beta-discussion message
Re @grizzled lichen
Yeah, I nicknamed Radiance Spirits are "Spirit Skins" cuz 3 Gratitude spirits have their own skins

[grizzled lichen]

Oh, yeah that’s a good way to call it

[chilly turtle]

Oh I saw more videos and pics of the daylight cycle. I hope it's a looooong cycle, because I hate the fast cycle at Aviary

[golden ore]

I was doing geyser from night until mid-day. The cycle is quite short.

[chilly turtle]

I hope there would be long cycles of different daylight.

Or! That palyers themselves could choose wich time of the day they want to have. Like in Home space everyone's lighting is the one that's in their timezone, but instead of that, in the realms you could choose it by yourself!

[icy isle]

i think they just pretty much did the same thing with the prairie peaks day cycle? not sure

[balmy tapir]

The plants in vault are basically the same as gw, and rate of black/white is still very poor but now we need even more dye. Let's just say that's very cringe

[chilly turtle]

It goes too fast there too, I never get enough time to enjoy the scenery. I like to take naps or meditate in nice looking areas, but the scenery keeps changing too rapidly in Prairie Peaks and Aviary, and I don't like that. I don't want that change for Daylight Prairie or Sanctuary islands if it's fast. Sanctuary islands are my all time favorite place and I love the summery skies there and spend lots of time there too.
But, I'd love to have 1 hour of each different light in the areas where the lights change (I secretly hope that majority would want this change too lol)
Or the ability to change the light for the player themselves without changing it for the others.
(I'm not super good at writing in english, I hope that made sense.)

[astral magnet]

Why did they make dyeing stuff cost more when getting the dye is slow in the first place? Why do they love making things that more tedious and off putting to do

[waxen oyster]

Maybe to avoid chaos and have people think about their choices? 🤷‍♀️

[cosmic vine]

understandable. no dyeing until I reach 99 on all colors so I won't drive myself crazy quadruple guessing everything.

I genuinely don't understand the appeal of putting, uhh, let's say 8 hours of work into grinding for ~75 candle cape, and then having to spend about the same amount of time just to adjust the gradient a bit

[tidal willow]

I feel like people will stress even more about how to dye their stuff or not considering cost will be higher, getting the dyes will be even slower, it won't be as fun as having more options and more room for trial and error. Though again, we're currently testing this and there's always room for change !
I think it was just right before this change though i don't know (well not just right, want to clarify it was in the right direction more than the change now)

[waxen oyster]

Dyes rn are elder mask level grind

[tidal willow]

I can't tell if the dyes are supposed to be end game like the elder masks or not ! I'm all for introducing new mechanics in the game but it gets exhausting when you know it's gonna be the good ol grinding again

[orchid knot]

I’d guess it’s meant to be casual, they want people to play the season and enjoy collecting dye across the realms, re-explore places they maybe haven’t visited outside of candle runs, be creative with dyeing cosmetics - but it’s not like spend a hundred thousand candles on a thing because you have nothing else to buy

[cosmic vine]

maybe it's secretly targeted towards old dusty vets with thousands of candles and nothing to grind for?
like, here, have another exhausting hunt, with no chevrons or geysers, like in the good old days, except there's no event or ts to grind for - your brain is your enemy. good luck.

[urban kayak]

anyone knows when will Season of Radiance will start?

[cloud ocean]

We don’t have an exact date but you can expect mid-January-ish based on when seasons regularly start

[balmy tapir]

In less than one minute

[golden ore]

Natural pigments are too expensive. We gotta develop synthetic dyes as a cheaper alternative.

[cloud ocean]

That is what doomed the kingdom ☹️

[balmy tapir]

We got nothing to lose then

[lavish matrix]

Tbh I've been observing things. As someone who have not been affected by burnout since a long time and I think I've noticed a difference, it's the sheer impatience and push to get new things caused the feeling of having to "grind" so that we can get new things quickly and impulsiveness. I think it makes sense that they wanted to test the balancing factor to the feature to cut the push of impulsive rush decision making out 🤔

It does seem to feel more grindy given the "slower rate" than the candles but I think if the faster than "live" rate stays until live I don't think it'll be an issue if colour per realm thing is much consistent and clearer either

I'd say have the seasonal quest tree "boost" you with the hmm 2 jars of each dye but again we have yet to see if the rate would change up in later builds to reflect the change to the dye requirements in this build

[dense matrix]

If this is what its gonna stay with the extremely slow collection and now compounded with the unnecessary elevated costs per cosmetic and they don’t sell the dyes for candles its going to be another mechanic i ignore just like the nesting shop.Why does everything need to be an additional grind.

We got chevrons to reduce the time needed to collect currency so we could enjoy time with friends more and not spend so much time grinding.

Before people say it i am aware dyes are an optional goal but the fact that its getting a whole season focused around it and its something people have wanted for ages. its ridiculous how expensive things are to dye from the get-go there is no inflation for dye and it takes too much time to find and farm it this is making me dread this season coming to live.

[nocturne blade]

I’m gonna agree that the collection is really unreasonably slow— especially for dyes like black and white— and while it’s completely optional, sure, I’ve been super excited to dye cosmetics too into shades I’m able to see (I’m colorblind and can’t see really any shades of green or brown at all, so I wanna change it to colors I can properly see to enjoy cosmetics!)

I’m gonna send feedback about it a bit later, I just woke up so most of my words would come out super incoherent

The premise of dyeing stuff however is still something I’m super glad we’ve got! I wanna finally be able to do matching outfits with my friends and partner using different colors

[dense matrix]

It just feels like people are going to hoard the dyes, similarly to how people tend to horde event spells and never use them because of how hard/rare they are to get especially the white/black colors.

I dont think its bad necessarily that you need to pick and choose what you dye carefully because of limited resources.

But since they fixed the refresh bug i have yet to get a single bottle of black through normal farming and its been a week and now i need three bottles to dye one part of a cape black? Hard pass.

[solar lark]

The new change to require multiple jars is just awful. It only makes the grind worse

[nocturne blade]

At that point it feels the exact same as spell hoarding, it’s gonna just encourage dye hoarding and not actually testing the feature

Theoretically let’s say this speed of collecting black and white dyes is what goes into live; personally if I realized how long it took to get two colors in specifics and how much it took to dye one part of a cosmetic with one of those two colors, I’d be pretty unmotivated and not want to dye with that color.

(Trying to write feedback while being half asleep is not for the weak 😭)

[snow storm]

What no....

[brazen token]

@bold blade Do you wanna feedback that together about purchasing dyes? Me personally, I think 5 AC for common dyes and 7 to even 10 AC for uncommon dyes is fine, but if that’s not what they’re going for as the “vibe” for the season I can see why they wouldn’t make dye jars purchasable.

I think the second floor of the spell shop would be a great place to put it, and it could be an after season update or half-way through update? Just wanna gage opinions and see if I’m just alone in this. I wouldn’t even complain too much if dye jars were like 10-15 AC each, cause sometimes you just don’t wanna grind, but it also encourages the grind to be easier than the purchasing factor. What do you think? Others I would also love to hear your opinions on too before I bother putting stuff in feedback❤️❤️❤️

[pearl rock]

does anyone know which realm in the newest season quest r we supposed to go? ty

[rare seal]

I went to vault and found nothing

[ancient pulsar]

I already sent feedback about this
I think using a rare dye like white and black should cost less comparing to common dyes like red or cyan

[solar lark]

All the dyes should be equal, I see no reason why some should be rare or common. If it was a special colour like gold, silver etc sure that makes sense but not basic colours

[brazen token]

I think cause rare dyes would cost more in theory cause the spirits grind the same. In reality, it should be black/white/bright blue/purple as all rare dyes since those are the hardest to achieve truly, but just black and white are difficult in this colorful world.

I think purchasing one dye jar a day or have color rotations per week as total purchasable would be great. Like one week they have 2 black, one red, and one blue for purchase and you’ll have to wait for them to come back with more next week. Something like that is what I wouldn’t mind

[brazen token]

Black and white dyes are just more rare out in the colorful world and you can see it in grinding, so it would make sense the more scarce stuff would cost more to purchase. If they even want to make the dyes purchasable

[ancient pulsar]

Yea but farming 8 white dyes is just months long journey that's why I said it should cost less while using it
Like if u wanna dye an outfit red u use four red dyes which are easy to farm
And if u wanna dye it white u use two white dyes cuz they're rarer

[brazen token]

I like that

[solar lark]

Requiring multiple dyes should be hard removed. The collection rates and rarity can be adjusted for everything else

[fringe forge]

I wish to die my furniture

[calm garnet]

I just personally think all colors should at least earn one bottle per day, it’s too slow when rare colors could not even earn one single bottle in a week (I don’t have much energy to grind actively lolll)💀

[snow storm]

I also found nothing there

[urban zinc]

There’s a fair few large plants in Prairie Peaks today, if that helps anyone (remember to check the cave with the large geode and wing buff in it)

[balmy tapir]

Considering that black/white are highly usable in combination with all the other colors too, it means there is a big plast of combinations that are pretty unachievable

[compact hill]

After I update beta ,I didn't see any plants, after finishing the season quest 😕 I need Dye colours 😫

[olive forum]

Imagine how difficult it will be to pick up white colors and you will still have to pick up 8 to dye an entire outfit white, simply TGC balancing.

[tulip veldt]

new conspiracy, making everything dyeable has kinda broken the concert cuz who knows what color cape we are now 🙂 (are we still grey in beta too?)

[olive forum]

||So imagine TGC wanting to sell Dyes as IAP||

[jaunty meadow]

I really hope dye are gonna be buyable at this point

[brazen token]

I think half a dye bottle is fine per day, especially since this should be just a small thing to work towards. I like having long term goals that are separate from currency grinding. It’ll be fine if you could get dye with currency, but I don’t like grinding for dye AND currency (like if you had to pay candles as well as dye)

But I do think that if people who have been playing for a while already could have the AC to buy like 1 dye bottle a day. I think like 10 AC would be fine, cause it IS supposed to be a long term goal and it’s expensive/rare/dangerous for spirits themselves so it kinda makes sense lore-wise too.

Honestly, the whole reason why I want it is just for our spell shop to be more useful. He’s tucked in the corner and isn’t getting much love.

[brazen token]

Also his lil pond is just tutorial for spell boats and there’s no reason to go down there. It’ll be fun if those drains connect to the concert hall and you could swim through to get on the boat. I don’t think it’s majorly important and it’s not even something I’d feedback but it’s canonical in my head

[haughty plume]

I’ve been getting one jar of white per day, ish, but I’ve also been doing multiple runs a day

[snow storm]

Ok, now think about how many cosmetics you can have, vs. How many pots you have to gather for one color combination you may like, and what if you want 2?

You gotta consider: rarity of certain colors, the amount of realms available to farm at the time, amount of cosmetics, possibility of wanting extra variations, etc.

[dense matrix]

They could go the route that tears of the kingdom did with the autobuild feature and the ability to spend a farmable currency to “create” something you didnt have.

You could go and find the dyes you want or spend a significant amount of other currency to dye without farming.

Downplaying how much many players already have to farm isn’t fair. New players already have it pretty hard why add a new feature that again is out of the reach of those who cant spend hours daily to enjoy it.

Its the nest shop all over again they eventually pulled back the costs so it was more accessible to more people.

[snow storm]

If you only get half a dye bottle a day, you won't be coloring half of your wardrobe in 2 years

[snow storm]

This + how long it takes to actually farm it, it's just an instant "No... Why would I do this?"

I would dye one outfit or two and then forget about that feature, because it would be terrible even at long term

[jaunty meadow]

I understand your POV, but I'd like to have more option, because some peoples doesn't have the time to do so (school/work,etc) and we already have a lot to collect already (candle,AC,hearts,tickets,season currency) so it'll be nice to have the option for peoples who cannot make time to get dye they wanted or too tired to collected the dye they want. Make an easy option, but let the peoples who want to enjoy the way it is as it is

[dense matrix]

I always find it a bit weird when people dont want others to have choice.

Like if i want to spend 100 candles on two bottle of paint because i dont want to wait i dont really see why that is bothering anyone else.

[snow storm]

I HAAATE the option of having you being able to buy dye pots

ONLY >>>ONLY<<< if that's their way of "fixing" the problem

I do WANT a way to buy it, but I want farming to be JUST as worth it.

[ancient pulsar]

That's totally right cuz sky isn't supposed to be like other games that make play addictively for hours in order to progress

[snow storm]

The problem is wanting that because farming is terrible, as if it were going to be a fix for the issue.

They have to make farming just as worth it first, then they can add the shop and it will be fair.

[jaunty meadow]

They made chevrons for candles to make us spend less time on the game and make it easier to collect candles, but they keep adding more farm currency, so at the end of the day, it's the same😭

[dense matrix]

They do need to improve collection absolutely but selling the dye needs to be there to supplement it especially if they are gonna gouge the prices.

An outfit i made that cost me 2 bottles of red now costs 8.. ot went from one day of farming to 4 for one part of a cape-

[snow storm]

To sum it up:

Selling dye = OKAY!

Selling dye as a fix to bad farming = NOT OKAY!

Making farming easier and more worth it AND selling dye = PERFECT!

[dusk willow]

Dye doesn't really seem like a currency to me, theres no exchange for new items its simply customization which is nice and doesn't make me feel at all like i need to grind to collect them

but yes.... 4 for one colour is madness and needs to be reverted haha, especially if the collection rate is super slow

[ancient pulsar]

It's really hard to find a good balance between wanting a goal and something to do in gameplay so players don't get bored and making it easier for those who can't do hard grinding

[silent dirge]

Hello Beta chat, the same question once again but, is the variants limits still on 2 instead of the previous 8? 🥺

[snow storm]

But what about those who want, let's say to customize a few cosmetics on a specific theme?

It's insanely grindy and does not feel rewarding even at long term!

If you want to do a specific color combo which may require 2 of the same color, and add that to maybe 2/4 more items for each outfit combination...

It's just crazy!

Love your work btw, Nasty

[jaunty meadow]

Thats why I said option are good. Because some peoples don't have the time to farm for colors. It's a bit unfair for peoples who can't grind like someone who don't have any responsabilities other than playing the game. Buying is optionnal too, so if someone wanna buy their dye it's up on them but it doesn't affect anyone else than the person who spend to buy the currency

[ancient pulsar]

Well for some of us me included there are some outfits that make you say ah it'd be better if it was in another color so I can match with this or that cape or something
But dyeing is a game changer to match outfits you already own rather than hoping the new outfit will come in this or that color to match

[jaunty meadow]

Yeah still 2

[dense matrix]

If they want the feature to actually be used it needs to be more streamlined.

Because no matter how cool something looks there is a time limit that people are willing to spend on it and i dont think TGC should be trying to hit the upper limit of people’s patience.

Rather find a middle ground where it takes a good amount consideration and effort but it doesn’t feel like a chore.

Because as is i can see people just hoarding the dyes and never using them.

[snow storm]

My problem is in giving TGC the idea that adding a way to buy dye will fix the farming issue...

If they just do that, it's basically the same as buying it being the only plausible option

They NEED to make farming easier and more rewarding, before they add an option to buy it

[jaunty meadow]

I agree, but the farming get worst so thats why I think if they keep it that way, they should be buyable

[silent dirge]

This change totally killed my hype for this season tbh, so disappointing

[jaunty meadow]

Agreed, I loved to have many option that I can switch whatever I want

[tulip veldt]

i imagine the intent is to make dying everything a little challenging so that there's not an immediate overhaul to the default/designed look of the game, but to make a few really special customized outfits that you work for

[snow storm]

That's only gonna make things worse

My opinion is:
Either make farming actually worth it, or give us no way to buy it all

Because if they do it's just gonna weigh more on the existing farming options that are very limited already

[dense matrix]

One of the devs did say they hope to expand on it in the future but the amount of dye options may have been causing the crashes cuz since they reduced it i havent crashed once

[tulip veldt]

like how long does it take to save for the white and black base capes, sky has always been about the slow burn

[brazen token]

True, 5 AC is what I originally thought and 7 AC for “rare” dyes is what I’m itchin on

[jaunty meadow]

Yeah, that's an option

[silent dirge]

I really don't know, maybe that's their reason but 2 makes it so restricted, I hate it, unless you can undye a variant and get your dyes back it just sucks. I loved how you could basically pick any colors on one outfit, it felt like pure freedom and experimental, that was just fun and they ruined it to me

[snow storm]

But that's completely different.

It seems at the first glance like it gives you countless options and you can do so many stuff!

And it is kinda true

You have lots of cosmetics you can use it on, lots of colors, but you can never fulfill it all, not even half of it, because of how slow it is

[hardy tide]

Does the emote didnt come out yet right?

[brazen token]

Yeah I’m not a fan of how many jars of dye are needed change. Would be fine if it doesn’t include black and white. Qualify them as a “strong” dye. But I also still think that the spell shop should turn the upper half into a dye shop as well. Make the enchantment guide and radiance guide best friends

[snow storm]

Trust me, TRUST ME

Making farming easy, even if VERY easy is going to hold player retention way more than how it is right now

[jaunty meadow]

When I first saw the season I was like "That's nice, it's a season where you can express your creativity thru colors, make an outfit that's even more unique to you" but now it feel s like "Hey you can dye, but you have to think wisely because you can only do 2 variety of colors and take 8 bottles of the same colors dye to make it'" it feels a bit unmotivating

[hardy tide]

Anyone experiencing the prayer loop bug in live here in beta too

[silent dirge]

Amen, that's everything I thought words by words

[hushed charm]

Several people said they are yes

[dense matrix]

Absolutely just make the dyes increase at the speed of three chevrons it would feel okay to farm there would be a hard cap because you would eventually run out of dye plants

but it would not feel like a slog to get one color 😭

[brazen token]

I love hearing everyone’s opinions on dye collecting. Myself personally, I don’t mind the long grind (if they revert the change back to 1 dye jar each), but even so, I think purchasing dyes should be an option. AC used for it for the extra strength

[hardy tide]

Im having the prayer loop bug too

[jaunty meadow]

Yeah, it's always nice to have option if we really want something

[olive forum]

The dye farm will be as bad as the candle farm, getting half a dye a day will be simply terrible and the time it will take to at least paint one outfit will be more than a week, simply unbelievable and immoral.

[silent dirge]

I agree with you and MoominMei, just let us have fun TGC, let us experiment, make dyes wax easier to get and if people wants to spend all of them IGC on dyes, let them do! Cmon..

[brazen token]

Cause if you’re done dye collecting for the day, and you’re at like 90% white dye, I’d cave and stop at the store to stock up so I can get my outfit done that day

[dense matrix]

I had it in beta for about 10 mins i collected candles till one of the chevrons disappeared and it sorted itself out.

[jaunty meadow]

Yeah that'll be pain😭

[snow storm]

A bit is an understatement...

The way it is right now is just going to make players want to quit, I'm sure it's gonna be the last straw to an immense amount of people.

Farming is already not good, to put it lightly.
There are far too many bugs that ALSO affect farming and people can't get what they want

And now they'll add another permanent mechanic to dye cosmetics that is so incredibly cool, but it will be just as much, if not more of a hassle than candle running

Bc giving the amount of stuff you can do with it, and how tiring it is, to me it feels potentially even worse than candle running

[vale temple]

Why does it feel like every update the dye mechanic gets less good. 😭 Needing multiple of the same color for one item is nuts. It's like no one heard people complaining it was hard and too slow.

[snow storm]

People critique me for being a TGC Warrior, and yet I'm here saying this, btw.

That's how bad it is.

[jaunty meadow]

Get your seatbelt on, they say it was faster than live too. So it'll be even more slower in live

[vale temple]

Yeah I'm aware.. that's why this recent update makes it even worse 😭

[dense matrix]

These changes makes me glad my favorite cosmetics cant be dyed enough to make me want to collect dye

[brazen token]

Yeah! It’s in beta so I think they should really push the limits AND tell us what they want for live. I (personally) don’t care about the dye collection being slow. There’s multiple plants everyday.

If they don’t do the chevron idea, I would LOVE there to be a map icon telling us where the dye plants currently on for the day!! That would also be a fun thing to do after dailies or during candle grind.

However, the option to buy should still exist in case someone’s short on dye, short on time, excess currency for AC, something.

I would love for them to put out a statement soon on what they also personally want the dye collection to be. Like slow, over week-long grind or what. Then we can say wether we feel they hit it 👍👎 or if we don’t agree. If this speed is FASTER than what’s intended for live, I’m not too sure it’ll go over well

[vale temple]

I wanted to dye so many things white and now realize It'll take super long to do that

[silent dirge]

This season will just end being Nesting 2.0. Amazing mechanic, but the grind will kill everybody's motivations, especially Moths

[jaunty meadow]

We should always share constructive opinion and though!

[ember hull]

Maybe they should've just done what will be in live

[jaunty meadow]

I guess they made it faster on beta for us to test out faster, but it's still slow🥲 ...

[snow storm]

Yeah, I really REALLY love TGC.

I even defended them on the recent bugs bc they're showing good responses and handling of the issue, specially with how compensation seems to be getting handled

But this is just too much...

[vale temple]

It so funny to me that a flex will be having every single item dyed white LMAOOO can you imagine someone gestures you to their closet just to flex every single cape dyed white at you 💀💀💀💀 would be so funny and I'd be flabbergasted

[jaunty meadow]

It'll be the blinding closet

[snow storm]

That could become toxic... :(

[pseudo adder]

i love monochrome white looks and this is just so personally upsetting

[vale temple]

I'd just find it funny personally. I'd be Impressed and think it's funny if someone did that to me.

[snow storm]

People can get toxic about online cosmetics, that's why 😭

[vale temple]

You don't need to tell me I've experienced it first hand 💀 kind of not hard to when you've played for years.

[snow storm]

Sky is lighter on this, but other games can be hell

[pseudo adder]

but why is tgc encouraging the cosmetic toxicity by making things artificially scarce?

[dense matrix]

People will always want flex thats just how some are just hit em with the 🥱 emote and walk away. -100 ego

[pseudo adder]

tgc recreating the diamond industry, child labor and all /t

[ember hull]

It is not comparable

[upper drift]

i think itd be fine IF the collection was sped up bc i went to see what color to dye the ult cape and i was flabbergasted to see i needed EIGHT DYES TOTAL????
and by sped up i mean we get like 5 daily of each color bc thats insane

[snow storm]

YES!!!

It needs to be easy

If it's easy it will hold more players in, than if it were hard

[vale temple]

I def think getting dye shouldn't be this hard. The fact it may be slower in live makes me not really want to do it at all. I'll probably aim to dye the rhythm pants all white, the ult cape black and orange, and then after that just focus on making stuff red. Luckily red is easier to get.

If it wasn't so hard to get and the presets were have weren't limited to just two, I'd probably dye a ton of things. Going through all the work only to have to replace a dye preset you've already done is just wild to me and give me decision paralysis on a lot of items.

[silent dirge]

Holy cow I'm begging you Beta peeps, massively feedback all of that ToT

[snow storm]

It needs, NEEDS to be a very easy!!

Because there are far too many grindy stuff already

[upper drift]

especially considering NEW PLAYERS!!! honestly the old system was MORE new player/young player friendly than the current in beta bc at least you KNEW one dye = one item dyed two dye = mixed color

[ember hull]

New players have fewer cosmetics, which means they need less dye
Only two dyed versions, so you need less dye

5 dyes a day feels like too much even though dyeing is more expensive

[snow storm]

I'm not sure how I can word it in a good way though 😭

I wanna make sure they listen

[upper drift]

new players encompass anyone who has played for a small amount of time, they can easily get ts cosmetics

[snow storm]

It's okay to be too much, that's the mindset they should have rn

Bc it's already too much when it comes to grinding other stuff

[ember hull]

You can give feedback yourself

[silent dirge]

I really hope they do honestly.. for the first time in 6 years I'm considering not getting the pass, even if the ults are cool..

[brazen token]

I think they should tell us what they want in speed-wise and we tell them wether or not they achieved it.

[ember hull]

Yeah with them increasing igc costs the balance is so bad

[snow storm]

It makes me wanna ping this message to the whole TGC staff so bad, but I can't lol 😭

I'm really scared, sorry

[brazen token]

LOL don’t do that

If they want it to be a longer kinda week-long grind and it’s meant to be an “end game” sort of feature, sorta like shards, I think the speed they have is fine then, but they need to include some accessibility and some shortcuts. AND they need to make the pay-off more worth it by changing it back to 1 dye jar use per item. If I want a light blue, One blue and One white.

Then say another week-wait grind like AC can be used to purchase dye from a shop that cycles out every Monday. Just like the furniture shop

[silent dirge]

AND to bring back the 8 variants per cosmetics!

[brazen token]

However, if they’re going for a sort of day-to-day feature, then I think the speed they have it at isn’t too great, but multiple dyes would be fine. Pants and capes are long to be fair and may need more dye. Then there’s no need for the map feature or spell shop since you can explore and stumble across it and your rewards are good for that day

[upper drift]

8 variants mightve been causing issues, so i think 5 should be a good try

[brazen token]

Yes. Also this. If they want only a few variations between saved dyes, it should be a day-to-day grind. If they want it a week, it should be more.

Unless it was that causing issues (I would rather have less slots with no issues than possible issues but more slots)

[lavish matrix]

Maybe 3-4 might work best to minimise the crashes in the short term

Long term we'd get more as the ram interface / devices get stronger over time

[ember hull]

Aaaa who was the one who said it?
The game couldn't handle that many. And actually there wasn't a limit but it only showed 8

[upper drift]

my game ran fine with 8 variants surprisingly enough, so i think 5 should be doable considering my processiing unit is like what if every game overheated my phone

[brazen token]

The game might not have been able to handle it even if some devices can

[lavish matrix]

We might as a dev said they couldn't promise it but that's what they're hoping in future

[upper drift]

true im just stating my experience lol, ik other devices run stuff far better so in my experience im shocked my phone handled it

[brazen token]

Me @ the switch

[forest mica]

Well, buying the pass doesn't really affect how the dyes work, the only thing it affects is the player being able to get certain cosmetics from the season or not. If TGC does go for a slower collection rate for the dyes, the change will unfortunately be applied whether someone buys the pass or not

[upper drift]

me too man im a switch player on live 😭😭😭 my poor switch will implode

[lavish matrix]

I'm thinking if when we dye a cosmetic, I think either 1) the game makes a copy of the same outfit but in diff colour and saved in the memory or 2) add and swap textures and save the unused and already created textures in the memory

This would definitely load up the memory and crash your game

[hushed charm]

But again i was crashing often while having 0 dyed stuff lol

[silent dirge]

I know, but I recently downloaded a new game (gacha) and I wanted to play it as a f2p only because Sky already costs me too much money, but I might just skip this season and buy a few things on that other game instead

[lavish matrix]

Yeah but again it's the game providing a memory slot to quickly render the other variants when you make one

[upper drift]

i wonder how botw & totk do dyes, the game itself is insane and shouldn't realistically run on switch but it does and has dye clothes options too so?

[lavish matrix]

If it doesn't use up a memory when it's blank, I think it would take good half a second to minute to render up the new copies

Not all games are built on the same foundation. Sky is built on an in house gamedev software

[silent dirge]

Nintendo are just pure magicians when it comes to optimization for their games

[upper drift]

yea i get that, im just wondering if there's some method that is used by other companies that might be able to be implemented in sky somehow is all

[balmy tapir]

Fact is, with normal colors, even with the price increase, it's manageable. But black/white rate doesn't seem to increase at all. Like I'm getting closer to getting my 4th jar. Overall. And that's getting frustrating atp

[lavish matrix]

the recent pokemon games have questionable texturing tho 🤭

[brazen token]

That’s why I think that if they’re going for a week-long grind, they need to lower dye price for items back to 1 jar each, AND have some accessibility with the map and shortcuts in case you want to buy a jar. Have the shop refresh once a week and only one available to purchase each color

[rich silo]

is it ust me or are the dye plants like
shrinking into oblivion when I get close then zero butterflies

[upper drift]

what I don't really get though is if the game has to load these variants each time, then the amounts preset doesn't really matter since the color combinations are long set into the game files themselves and are only "drawn" from when a player dyes that color; its all there already anytime anyone boots up the game regardless of it being used

[lavish matrix]

Wait I wonder what is the upper floor desk for hmm
Maybe something like spells but it sells dyes for certain currency as an option?

[finite anchor]

if they want black and white to stay rare for whatever reason then I can live with that but they are just way too rare atm

I really don't want black & white dyed cosmetics to be treated like some sort of status symbol the same way some old/rare cosmetic or ults are treated sometimes

[upper drift]

ughhh yesssss i really dislike the elitism in the community regarding cosmetics and ik its NOT everyone but its so frustrating sometimes

[brazen token]

If they are, I want it in the spell shop. Poor enchantment guide is lonely

[lavish matrix]

having 8 available slots means it has the preset slots ready to be written over quickly without any delay in rendering but it takes a lot of ram so it might be causing the crashes

[upper drift]

ohh i see, maybe just 4-5 then would be manageable for the game and OS running it

[lavish matrix]

Given that we have hundreds of cosmetics that's dyeable, it's gonna use up so much

[upper drift]

i don't mind the game loading slower if it means it doesn't crash but two presets feels like so little

[silent dirge]

Well I guess it's time to accept the fact that I won't be able to give my 9 Pikmin one color variant for their pants and capes 🥹

[lavish matrix]

Yeah but I think they could try adding 1 more (3 slots) and see how the game runs when it comes to live

[finite anchor]

has it been confirmed by a dev that the number of dye variants per cosmetic was what caused the crashes? because the crashes kinda seemed too random for that

[lavish matrix]

no but we're implying bc after the 2 slots update we see much less crashes now and I've experienced from modelling and softwares in animation, having multiple copies of different textures at ready and saved in the background WILL always load things up and eat rams

Even if you "hide" a layer for example, it's still there in the memory

[hushed charm]

I was trying to get a white bottle to mix with light blue and see how close to the manta cape that gets (its not good enough just on the workshop) and had to give up lmao, not only because i happened to get more black than white, but the beta bugs doesnt help either (having to disable wifi + plants disappearing because they want to do so)

[finite anchor]

ngl I kinda just assumed one of the reasons why it was lowered to 2 variants was so it would be easier to test deleting variants so that you wouldn't have to fill up all 8 slots first

[lavish matrix]

Yeah ngl while having 8 slots seems fun, I feel its a little overkill for some devices (like..switch)

[pseudo adder]

imo dyed items arent cosmetically valuable enough to warrant this kind of week long grind though. plus compared to other weekly grinds (ex. AC via eden), you only need to do eden once per week, whereas the equal "weekly" grind of dyes is... what... every waking hour? maybe there should be some kind of weekly activatable "dye boost" that lets you go ham on dye farming for an hour once a week, and then people will feel better about managing the dye grind

[upper drift]

i think the weekly argument is fair but i don't rly want a weekly thing, id rather it be an option daily so there's more to do every day in the game for common players but gives enough so you don't have to do it daily of you don't want to and still dye something

[sharp dagger]

I have so much green that I know I'll never use... here's a thought: just let me swap those greens with other colors I'd like with the Radiance Guide or at the Enchantment Shop.

Less junk for me, less wasted effort during my daily runs.

Slap a limit on how much that can be done per day/week if it's going to be a concern, but I would rather do this than have my dye run efforts be so unbalanced where I'm stockpiled on every color I'll never need and putting far too much effort getting the ones I desire.

[finite anchor]

I feel like until a dev confirms that it's not possible to have 8 variants we shouldn't just dismiss the idea though! 2 feels way too restrictive, and I'd personally be happy with like 4 or 5 slots
but I also wouldn't mind 8 👀

[balmy tapir]

I spent two jars of white to dye fortune rabbit mask, and one in combination with yellow for my golden antelope mask. And it feels like nothing else is going to be manageable bc of the prices

[olive forum]

I agree, the Black/white look is already very saturated in the game and players think they are superior for having this type of look.

[lavish matrix]

I've asked a dev about this, and the way they clarified that they're hoping to expand it at some point in future implies that when their engines are better prepared for various devices, they might add more variant slots

I say might bc it's not their 100% promise either

[silent dirge]

I will pray for 8 (or more) slots, but I would be satisfied with 4-5 too, I agree that 2 feels way too "Spend your hard earned dyes wisely" 🤗

[lavish matrix]

Its not new that they have downgraded some things to address the crashes, 1) reducing the leaves for the 9cd tree to address the lags and crashes upon entering the area in live and 2) downgrading the graphics update for android in live as part of crash fix in 27.6 hotfix

[hushed charm]

2 for a mask makes 0 sense ngl 😭

[balmy tapir]

They're even more now aren't they

[lavish matrix]

This. In my head points that the game isn't ready to hold the massive game interfaces yet so that's why reducing it to 2 slots makes the most sense when it comes to reducing the crashes like while the 8 slots were still available, I see crash issue across 3 builds

[snow storm]

I'll send my feedback message here because I put too much work into it to make it as nice, readable, organised, and in a way TGC might listen to.

However, it's a bit big, so is it okay if I send it?

[lavish matrix]

I think go for it, at least its good to have something nicely written here :D

[snow storm]

Dear TGC!
I love you and your game, so I want to constructively critique the dye farming considering all aspects possible, from player retention to how it'll work during the season, and after it ends.

1 - Player retention:
I imagine the goal is to make it challenging to keep player retention while giving them a cool feature to spend their time on collecting, while this might work on regular cosmetics, I feel like it's a bit too much, considering it's not just for one cosmetic, but for a huge chunk of your wardrobe!
I fear that if farming dye doesn't get a lot easier, it will create the opposite effect, which is losing player retention, because they'll be completely overwhelmed, which many might already be.

Making a seasonal feature like this one easy, specially when it holds soooo many possibilities for customization, might hold player retention even more, that's something I wholeheartedly hope the team considers!!

2 - Player experience throughout the season, and after it:
Dyeing currently might already feel too much for some players, but it's intended to be even slower when it hits live, and if you consider the fact that there are only a few quests per season, and they are too far apart from eachother, the players are probably going to spend weeks, or even a full month, getting barely anything, which will make the season feel pointless for a long time, that is until they unlock farming on all realms, which will only help a tiny little bit, even after the season.
That makes me worried that this feature will be completely sidelined by players.

3 - Dye prices:
Dyeing outfits is too expensive as of now, considering the collecting rate hasn't changed that much, and it was already too low before, so increasing it to 4-8 pots feels like a complete turn down for lots of people!

Consider this: You like a specific theme and wanna dye a humble amount of outfit sets, like around 4 our 5, using that specific theme, you can potentially waste 24 dye pots or more for just ONE outfit set, and that's just for one color, now consider color rarity and that you'd have 3 or 4 more cosmetics to dye and... it makes me dizzy just to think about it, haha

4 - Potentially selling dye pots:
While I like that idea, doing that as a countermeasure, or a fix to the farming being too hard, will only make things worse, and make people not interested in the key feature of the season, which would be dye farming.

*So please, if you're adding it, pleeease make farming fun, engaging and easy, please! *

*Genuinely, sincerely, and with love, from: Mei! :sending_hearts: *

[tulip veldt]

please put that in feedback not in here

[snow storm]

I did, I'm sending it here too, bc I want more people to know what I think

[coral edge]

I honestly think best place for it is #beta-feedback because it's a dedicated channel for it that they check often if you want them to read it. It's really clean and well structured tho

[pseudo adder]

op literally asked for permission to copy it from feedback channel

[lavish matrix]

I love how organised it is, mei :o
Your ideas are nice

[snow storm]

I did that, I just want more people to know what I think, it's cool to express those things on the beta chats too, discussing those things only help more people be aware of it, think of it in different ways, and potentially feedbacking those ideas as well!

[lavish matrix]

Still thinking that the upper floor desk might be of a feature cuz now that it's too well furnished for just am empty desk

[silent dirge]

It makes me laugh how professional and well organized your feedback is.. Mines always looks like something my mom would send me for the groceries lmao

"Please bring back the 8 slots, you can find a solution I believe in you, kisses, the Pikmins"

[snow storm]

Thanks a lot!
I hope I was able to share a different POV that might be helpful in some capacity, if it does inspire more people to feedback, or if more people see it and have different ideas, or even disagree with me, I'm happy to read it all!

[snow storm]

Mines are usually like that too lol, I have no idea how I even pulled this off xD

[silent dirge]

Maybe not, remember a lot of people thought about the same thing for the desk behind the first one during Nesting

[lavish matrix]

True but though it makes sense to be featureless bc it'd the guide's own workshop and its in the same zone as the sale desk

[silent dirge]

The confusion was legit, that flying hammer was very suspicious hehe

[lavish matrix]

Which makes me think that the desk being on the upper floor, separate from the main mechanic area on the ground floor might imply that they both have their own features

Ahah I think the hammer is just to echo to their apprenticeship with the forest elder

[silent dirge]

Ooooh great connection I never thought about it until now

[lavish matrix]

Yeah as well as the big picture of them and the elder just above the desk

So I wonder what the desk would offer especially you can directly enter the shop from the upper floor as well

Like the way it is positioned makes me think you're meant to access the desk immediately upon entering the shop from the upper door

[rich silo]

@tulip veldt no plants in trials cave o7

[tulip veldt]

ok good to know!

[solar lark]

Imagine plants in the trials. Gotta pop in fire trial for some black dye real quick

[lavish matrix]

This would 200% motivate me to go through trials

[solar lark]

How about dye in Eden then?

[lavish matrix]

yes

Would make me motivate to run until pnr

I barely visit before pnr zones except from collecting wls and I'm down to kinda die for dye challenge

[hushed charm]

Isnt that already real or what i saw on the images was an edit

[lavish matrix]

It's real

[solar lark]

wait no, that was meant to be a joke

[hushed charm]

You will farm eden and yo will be happy with the 0.1 dye you will get from there

[solar lark]

Bring back orbit cr with dye

[cosmic vine]

EXCUSE ME, but 2 red jars and three black butterflies are NO JOKE in this economy ☝️ 💥

[solar lark]

What was the butterfly to jar ratio?

[cosmic vine]

idk like a sand grain

that's more than I get from the archives anyway

[hushed charm]

Gonna have to tap the "faster than intended on live" sign 😔

[cosmic vine]

I try to ignore the dread of farming all of this in live and enjoy radiance one day at a time (the cost update left me horribly unmotivated )

[rich silo]

wait what happened with cost?

[high atlas]

Ig we need more complete jars to dye one are

[orchid knot]

yeah but it depends on items and the area to be dyed

[rich silo]

so there's price scaling now for how many jars to use per section?

oh I see

[high atlas]

I still need to log in and actually see how it works. I've only seen from other's stuff

[unreal lintel]

Question dose the outfit from the moomin event cost candles just curious my friends have been saying it will

[ionic pendant]

It supposedly taking longer to collect dye in live and now this upped number of jars to dye anything has me really worried the feature I was so looking forward to actually won't be enjoyable at all by the time it hits live. I already sent feedback though. ^_^;;

[lavish matrix]

Okay the font size for the numbers of jars you own / numbers of required dyes are easily misleading and make it feel more than what it actually is

I prefer the previous UI, it's easy to see which part requires the amount

The current ui feels too similar to the UI v1 which I don't like the most

[orchid knot]

I like seeing the total amount of jars needed but the excess requirements made it more confusing

[lavish matrix]

Yeahh
Wait I THINK it's because to show a dye requires half the jar, how would the UI convey that? Bc I've seen people asking for small sections to be dyed with quarter amounts of a jar but I feel tgc couldn't find ways to effectively communicate anything below whole numbers in the easily understandable way so they scaled it up to make it easily readable? That's just my theory. I'm hoping they will scale up the dye rate to account for this change

[cosmic vine]

maybe if the color bath was less diluted, the guide wouldn't have to waste so much dye each time
I propose we sip the water out of the radiance soup 🥤

[rich silo]

I feel like they just did the thing where they wanted to show how many you own but it just makes it worse

[lavish matrix]

Like general audience wouldn't understand or see what is 0.75 nor 0.15 from just the text or the graphic ui

[cosmic vine]

I'm really trying to stay positive about this whole thing, but I can't help but feel like dyeing is less about having fun and more about meticulous planning

[ember hull]

maybe make the jars smaller instead of using half
better to work with whole numbers

did the ui change again?

[lavish matrix]

No I don't think it'd effective, especially for those on smaller devices. I've thought long about this but it's practically impossible without putting decimals if you want to scale up to 1 max

Like before it did feels strange to use up 1 jar to dye miniscule detail so that might be why they scale up to whole numbers but currently it's not streamlined enough lol not surprising. It's because beta things xD)

[orchid knot]

Idk I was less bothered about using 1 jar for a small section than using multiple jars for big sections lol

[rich silo]

tbh the main gripe hasn't changed - BW is still unfairly scaled

[upper drift]

same especially thinking of the grind.........

[solar lark]

It really should just be 1 jar straight. Makes it the most simplistic and consistent

[lavish matrix]

I feel they haven't updated the rate of dyeing to account for the scaling of the dyes but they're probably planning to. Idk why they would be updating only 50% of the intended mechanic change

[orchid knot]

I don't enjoy maths, please don't make me do maths

[lavish matrix]

I agree, but it feels like getting 1 jar to dye only small part doesn't feel like its worth the effort thats why I HOPE that they adjust the collection rate to match with the scale

[upper drift]

i can't fully understand implementing the amounts needed before changing the rate of collection, but i honestly just think 1 jar = 1 part dyed just makes sense in a simple, don't have to think way

[orchid knot]

the rate of dye has always been faster in beta than intended in live so I doubt it would get any faster than it is currently even with the updated requirements for needing more jars per dye job

[solar lark]

You'll need n+1 dye with a 3.6% interest rate

[ember hull]

I meant more scale down. As in, decrease how much it takes to fill a jar

[lavish matrix]

Why do you have to bring this part up. I meant by having the rate overall for both beta and live version to be faster. Like beta rate will be faster AND the live will be slower than beta BUT still faster than what it was before

[high atlas]

Just wait it'll turn it into a word problem to find how much dye you need/j

[lavish matrix]

Idk if I'm making sense augh I hate English

[orchid knot]

fr my brain is smooth this makes sense, I can at a push understand adding a tint means I will use another jar, anything after that has me short-circuiting but it's also midnight so maths is never gonna be my strong point rn

[rich silo]

my experience based on the general collection is that the higher jar cost for more common dyes makes sense
the issue is making the BW dyes take the same cost as those ones

[lavish matrix]

I should have drawn a graph so that my idea is conveyed better

[upper drift]

i think it was brought up bc its also affected by the current beta build, so we would arguably want to talk about how live could be affected by this too since we are testing this for live(?) if that makes sense?
overall we would want the live version to be faster than the current beta version lol

[lavish matrix]

I understand what cy means by that. Having the required amount of jars of each colour would be better scaled up to their collection rate.

Like why would u have to use 2 jars of black, the same amount for red for the same area but their collection rate is wildly different

[orchid knot]

I brought it up because from what I understood of your messages you feel they've only scaled the dye requirements up but not the collection rate, but as far as we've heard the rate in beta has been faster than what they intend for live so I don't see them raising the collection rate

If anything I feel like if they stick with the faster-not-intended rate we've had in beta the requirements changed to balance that because they probably want the system to still be something we work towards

[lavish matrix]

That's what I would want too. I'm saying it could be faster on beta & live

gimme a minute I gotta DOODLE A GRAPH

[rich silo]

as reference I haven't been deep sauce grinding (except today I decided to spend a bit more time looking for the plants)
red + green around 15, the rest hover at 11, BW at 3/4
so like.....y e a h

hence my opinion that scaling the jar cost higher seems okay based on collection rate but the issue is making black and white dye usage take the same jar cost as the others

[devout venture]

genuinely it might be easier if the dyes work on a chevron system so then people know how many they can get in a day and then they can balance how hard or easy it is to dye outfits based on that. rarity could just be a tertiary modifier on the chevron limit.

[orchid knot]

in my mind they had intention of dye collection rate being slower but feedback was probably overwhelmingly about wanting it to stay the same or faster

so like how to make system match that so people aren't dyeing things every single day and it loses it's value/point of interest/engagement factor? increase the requirements for during bigger items/areas, etc.

[cloud ocean]

Making collection faster but increasing the cost of dyeing just brings everything back to square 1

[rich silo]

feels like the introduction of EC all over again kinda

[ember hull]

any ideas on why they made black and white rarer in the first place?

[rich silo]

lore-wise they are the highest cost capes in the game so they just scaled it that way

[cloud ocean]

My guess it’s cuz a lot of players want black and white and the black and white base capes have always been expensive

[orchid knot]

lore, it would be realistically harder to obtain ingredients for?

[rich silo]

it's never really about what the players want than it is how it's been scaled ingame cost-wise tbh

[ember hull]

but it's light, not pigment

[lavish matrix]

There I go

#beta-screenshots-videos message

Badly drawn but it gets my point across

[orchid knot]

like I like the part where they bring in like lore and real things like some resources are harder to source, but I also wish they'd bump w/b dye up

[ember hull]

build A is current and build B is what you want it to be?

[lavish matrix]

Yes exactly

[rich silo]

wait does vault still crash on this build

[lavish matrix]

Maybe next time I should illustrate my ideas

[orchid knot]

vault does not give as much white and black as you'd expect given it's the quest area for it

OH THE PING

[rich silo]

I'm off to go see, I haven't gone there yet

[cloud ocean]

ngl id prefer if black and white is a little harder to collect than the other colors because I am not looking forward to lighting players and see them wash out all the colors in their outfits ^^|| a lot of people have boring tastes

[rich silo]

tbh I get that whiplash from people wearing maskless 90% of the time so I think BW is fine at this point

[orchid knot]

I'll be honest Grey I don't understand the graph 😭 do you want them to make dye collecting faster than it is in beta currently?

[lavish matrix]

Yes so that it's reflected in live when it's slower than beta but it's still faster than what it would be if they apply the current rate

[ember hull]

if it's faster in beta then it'll be faster in live

[cloud ocean]

I think the current system is intended to encourage people to play around with colors ~

[lavish matrix]

sobs in bad english

no the English is a mistake

[ember hull]

since we can preview, we can already play around with colors, but you still have to get the dye

[orchid knot]

I think the current speed in beta has been fine, but then you could farm over and over, I have no clue if that's intended or not

what I'd really like is if we can see the intended speed and feedback on that because I am confused

[rich silo]

okay vault is just alternate "if you don't want to run GW there you go"

[devout venture]

they also may be being careful with how easy it is to dye things for future reference. colour is a big part of the draw of collecting cosmetics. making any colour possible at a fast rate increases the chance of people not enjoying new cosmetics because taste will entirely rely on design if colour is trivial. and also would making refreshing designs a bit more harder to achieve /gen

[high atlas]

I went to go check dye stuff and I have been punished by being stuck in yet another respawn loop 😭

[orchid knot]

Omg I had that earlier and also my plants would just disintegrate

[high atlas]

It won't even load the whole area in. It just barely loads and then black screen over and over

[lofty spade]

It would make more sense if instead the black and white color been the rarest, being the hardest to get

Fo example, to get the back dye, you woukd try to visit the storm to get some, as for the white dye, you need to reborn to get some

[devout venture]

B & W exclusive to eden is a whole other ballgame ^^; but i can see the idea

[rare seal]

I would just die and reborn every single day...

[lofty spade]

It would be make sense not only lore wise, but also incentivise people to go to eden more often, since after the shards events, almost no one go to the storm

[high atlas]

Oh i see plants must also not reset hourly anymore

[rich silo]

no they do
you just get less the more you rerun

[high atlas]

Maybe I just got awful luck then.

[rich silo]

cuz I've run the same areas over and over the past couple hours and I still find plants
they just decrease significantly and you have to look for the 🤏 ones

but also I've had issues where I merge and then literally the entire batch just FLY AWAY EN MASSE MIGRATION and I'm like
well what the heck man

[solar lark]

I'll say it again #bringbackbigaviaryplant

[lavish matrix]

Same, a LOT of players like this combo and like. Why

[solar lark]

Looks at tiktok hmmm I wonder

[lavish matrix]

Yeah...I know people have different tastes but it feels like they're just following the "trend"

I love if when players play around with styles around the concept of maskless. Like my style is technically maskless but still colourful

[zealous charm]

it’s probably barley noticeable that I’m wearing the face painted maskless from Princess or AURORA masks because there’s two really bright white eyes slapped on top from my elder mask Basic maskless is so boring tbh, I used to wear it before there was literally no other option for maskless 😭

[rare seal]

the cape from Bumbling Boatswain is dyeable?

[dense matrix]

yes but only the buttons and stripes

[lavish matrix]

Yeah...I preferred the maskless with decorations like the moon or princess mask, it's stylish and not so boring

[cosmic vine]

hey has anyone been to eden today
I just went there to dye hunt, and there were no plants anywhere
have they been removed?

[zealous charm]

wait Eden had pants? I haven’t been keeping up with beta

…I’m keeping that as pants, yknow what I mean 😭

[cosmic vine]

yeah, lots of red plants with specks of black
but they might be gone??? unless it's something on my end, but I've re-entered the areas just to make sure, didn't get any merges, and still I had none

[zealous charm]

Hmm, I could go check for myself but I’d have to update beta first

Nevermind… it auto updated for once in it’s life

[orchid knot]

Maybe eden has a schedule or something for them

[zealous charm]

everytime Sokai shouts for new elder masks, a dye dark plant grows in Eden

WHY IS RADIANCE GUIDE RIGHT THERE WHEN I LOADED MY GAME 😭

I should probably start SCRing so I can actually have candles for conversion

[solar lark]

You need to grind for dyes or else

[lavish matrix]

what else

Would've been better if this update comes with an update note by sago but its a midnight update so I get it

[rigid kayak]

Maybe it's just me but I feel like i prefer the way color picking was introduced. I feel like it was easier to understand what I was picking and which was the tinting option

[orchid knot]

You know what I really like about this season, they're adding dye plants to main areas but also areas that are less frequented, it will hopefully encourage people to explore and I'm sure the spirits in those areas will be happy to see us again

[solar lark]

All side and seasonal areas should have dyes

[rich silo]

treasure reef was an unexpected goated spot for the big spiral plants fr

[orchid knot]

I see they added ark too, it’s what enchantment deserves!! Home of colour light

[rich silo]

when ark stops making the cool giant plants disappear in front of my eyes and not give me the goodies

[rancid bramble]

me backreading this chat and sweating

[lavish matrix]

not u dw

😈 🍳

[rich silo]

@frozen quest some masks let you choose 2 colourways, like the performance ult mask + radiance ult mask
and the days of colour one

[harsh edge]

Do we know what the ults are yet?

[upper drift]

we can assume the deer/hathor mask and the scarf-cape are ults but we don't know for certain what all are and arent just yet

[urban coral]

I was kinda hype for the colors but the grinding for them is a BIG bummer. Burning plants takes forever. Tried to grind out just 2 measly black jars to get me some dark pants and poof.. now it’s 6 jars after the update? Ug. At even the beta rate that could take me weeks. I dread what the collection rate will be once it goes live. I’m not spending day and night grinding in beta to test this out.

[solar patio]

Considering DoF is coming.....

[pastel fern]

Please put it in they feedback, did the same ngl
Bc it will take a ridiculous amount of time to get enough dye together, specially white and black once

[lavish matrix]

Sorry for pinging after long a while but I think you have a good point here too :o

The part about making refreshing designs a bit more harder, I agree with this, no one could make one entirely original design different from any colour variations of the existing cosmetics, because human creativity for a designer has its own limits.

So I'm guessing it's so they can keep the future cosmetics stay appealing while the choice to modify the colours are now available.

With this system, I think they can improve things a little bit, like making a reasonable dye collection rate to balance with the new required dyeing system

This could also explain why they limit the dyeing part to 2 at max for each cosmetic, I think it's to avoid making similar equivalents of existing cosmetics thus decreasing chances of players wanting to buy them (if the cosmetics aren't limited)

[trail notch]

Omg Cy I was cut off by server merging 😭😭

[rich silo]

omg 😂 I was like what happened

[trail notch]

But i was saying that this new amount of jars is horrible

[rich silo]

it is rough 😔
(I've feedbacked that I don't like the new way it shows how much you need to lock in the dye, it's too confusing)

[trail notch]

It's hard enough to stop and collect some dye colors
But if it will take people months most won't even bother collecting and coloring something id it's this grindy

[rich silo]

I feel like....if you take it slow then you'll get there eventually cuz there are the mega clusters which give TONS of butterflies
the unfortunate thing is we know beta is an accelerated rate so we don't know how live's gonna end up being like

[trail notch]

And then the question arises "what's the point of this season if the mechanic is too tiresome, expensive and takes you months to color just one cosmetic"
And the fact we can't have some normal coloring and it's gradient's now is kinda silly too

I don't want that. This doesn't make me excited and only worried people will get disappointed

[rich silo]

I lowkey like the gradient, it's cute XD but that's a personal preference
people did complain that it would look too much like the past IAP stuff so maybe they wanna avoid that

[lavish matrix]

Oh right especially the office cape but I don't recall past iap stuff resembling basegame but different

kizuna?

[trail notch]

Idk the iaps have special wedges anyway so

[lavish matrix]

True, aside I think the wedges aren't the most immediate noticeable thing

[trail notch]

To make more people suffer the unfairness because a little bunch bought themselves a kizuna pack? Nah this is no good imo

[rich silo]

idk you've seen people get hella defensive over the hoot hair copy, noot hair

would make sense they don't wanna make the igc too similar to the iap

[lavish matrix]

I wasn't born during performance and I didn't know it was /that/ bad but yeah,, ;;

[trail notch]

That's even the point of this season will be when "oh we want you to customise your cosmetics but we kinda can't let you go all out because pink haha sorry"

[rich silo]

I don't think it would necessarily take you months for the common dyes in my experience so far
a few weeks probs? if you want a specific colour then much longer

[lavish matrix]

I wish I'm in beta so I can actually experience the collection rather than just hearing the wildly different opinions on the rates

[trail notch]

More reasons why they shouldn't do any more collaboration with people like kizuna
Now everyone can't get this pack and won't be able to dye their capes fully

[lavish matrix]

Though at that time iaps were often times look alike to the basegame capes, now we have even more unique collab items

[trail notch]

It's also not like a lot of people have white cape in live
It's a hard to get cape imo. Why people should not be able to color some of the other base color capes?

[lavish matrix]

office cape, bat cape, and then kizuna cape

also I haven't seen what dyeing is like for tier 1 capes

nvm I see it now lol

But yeah I think there's a risk of outcry for players being able to dye capes like the past iaps and some players who owned the iaps would feel a waste of money

[trail notch]

The same as t2

[lavish matrix]

Like honestly I understand people would get defensive of the iaps they've purchased with their real money they've earned when someone can actually get it for free which wasn't what they expect at all back then

Like my friend who bought the blue bat cape pin was clearly worried if they've wasted their money on it when they could had dyed the bat cape blue instead (thankfully the pin has the iconic tgc blue and has the office access as well)

Ohhh I think it might be a bug? I saw cy potato log

[trail notch]

Then what is the point to but season passes?

[lavish matrix]

Wdym?

[trail notch]

Well. If people spend money on iaps and I spent money on every season who is losing more?

I don't think it's fair simply because there is kizuna set to make all the base capes with gradient colors

[brisk kestrel]

Some of us actually work and have real jobs unlike others. Taking months to collect dyes to customize clothes… doesn’t seem realistic. What a wasteful season.

[cloud ocean]

I think completing activities or challenges (like the trials or tournament games?) for jars would’ve made it less grindy than just making players extend their crs

[lavish matrix]

Only i can hope that the rate would improve for live to balance out I guess

I wanted to point out, I would say shattering is a wasteful season because it took months to collect AC for the elder masks xD

[lavish matrix]

Oooo yes I'd love for the little challenges for extra jars if needed
Maybe weekly dyes in trials

[upper drift]

i don't rlly see the kizuna set being too much an issue if u can't get the exact color + the wings symbol can't be replicated at all (doesn't it have a unique recharge?)

[lavish matrix]

there's also a beta cape which is like, 99% basegame cape

[ionic pendant]

Yeah the Kizuna cape has a unique recharge with hearts. I have it in live. ^_^;

[cloud ocean]

Yeah something that like if you do X challenge on X day of the week you get a specific color jar? Rotation and stuff

[upper drift]

in Monday you get a black dye jar to show the darkness in your heart with school/work looming over you

[lavish matrix]

Yeah!! I think this could work

Like hidden bonus challenge and there would be a spirit or random npc

Prophecy anubis comes out of their cave and asks you to complete fire trials for 2 jars of black dye

[ionic pendant]

The heart wedges and recharge were what I liked more than the color. I wouldn't care at all if people could dye the underside of their white cape the exact same pink. ^_^;

I'm all for more ways to get jars of dye besides the butterfly grind.

[upper drift]

i would simply live in fire trial tbh

[upper drift]

also tbh the main selling point of the cape to me was it has a cute recharge and heart wings lol, though i wonder why the color waa changed between global and netease

[cloud ocean]

I would not mind this cuz it would mean I’d actually start going to fire trial again xDDDD

[ionic pendant]

I'm not usually into the trials really but I'd try harder to get good at them if there was dye hiding in there. ^_^;

[rich silo]

I have a feeling days of colour would definitely revolve around dyes maybe
Like it could become the dye boost event of the year and it would make sense

[upper drift]

three jars of black from fire trial

[cloud ocean]

Selling jars alongside the hair dye and trails

[ionic pendant]

Color and Style should both be dye boost events with extra ways to get more dye, I definitely agree. ^_^

[rich silo]

I don't think they would sell jars straight up cuz when is it ever that easy lol
But increased butterfly dye rate for sure

Like you know the usual double light event once a season, what if they doubled the dye rate then also

[cloud ocean]

Oo that would be cool too

[ionic pendant]

I'd love if random spell nodes in spirits' trees had a chance of being a jar of dye too, or if some of those were just replaced with dye nodes. ^_^

[upper drift]

double dye days of giving, double dye days of rainbow, double dye days of style, AND two black dye jars from fire trial

[cloud ocean]

I’ve been hoping for this since the beginning. It would be fitting for this season!

[rich silo]

Because the thing is, I think the current system is fine but if they want to keep it that way, then rather than trying to change it, why not add more interesting ways to collect more dye instead cuz personally I find the whole burning plants thing monotonous |D and it adds more gameplay spice alongside

[ionic pendant]

People always complain about "useless" spells in the way of them getting their cosmetics but I bet they'd be a little less upset if some of them were dye instead. ^_^

[rich silo]

Like people hate Eden but can deal with shards kinda thing

We need an Eden for the dyes

[cloud ocean]

Exactly! At this point wandering around and burning darkness is kind of like a chore with how often we do it. If we had more interactive ways to get the dye as alternatives it would be fine

[chilly turtle]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
If the colors are just gradients in so many capes now, I feel that there's no point to collect dyes at all. I wanted the whole underside of them to be able to be dyed. I liked the first build with more options in clothes and capes to dye.

[upper drift]

i think the current system is.. manageable? but its very against anyone who is busy imo, which i quite dislike. as much as i wanna dye clothes i do mot want to grind like crazy for it, and i cannot imagine how much worse it'll be for my friend who gets severely motion sick (with motion blur off) on sky

[rich silo]

I will also say
Finding the butterflies after the game merged them is really hard

[cloud ocean]

ngl I just dont want to spend more than 2 hours a day playing sky :/ it leads to me burning out

[chilly turtle]

The gradients don't even look good with the base game capes in my opinion

[ionic pendant]

My friends who usually play live with me will probably find the grind for dye so off-putting that they'll almost want to quit the game altogether if they try it honestly. ^_^;;

[upper drift]

im sure some could but i don't rly see a point in underside gradient, might as well just let you gradient the outside of the wings

[rich silo]

That's a cool opinion but also you should send it to #beta-feedback

I love the gradient personally it retains the original colours of the cape alongside the dyed colours
Either version is fine

[upper drift]

maybe a toggle for gradient vs solid?

[ionic pendant]

I hope they at least fix the client-side dye plants making the locations inconsistent from player to player before it goes live so I can just drag my buddy through my dye grind so it doesn't annoy them as much. ^_^;;

[rich silo]

I think that would be too complicated for the amount of cosmetics there are for this season's features
Future update probably

Cuz you allow it for one thing then people want it for everything

[upper drift]

true.......

[rich silo]

I did drag my friend through the dyes yesterday and like
They got all the dye I summoned as the lead Uber, so it should work out well
Just make sure to dismount for the larger plants cuz burning is faster than deep call

I noticed with piggyback it's better for the bottom person to summon cuz if the top one does it, you don't get them all

[somber oyster]

Yesssssss I also found out the rotations are better now much easier to go in groups

But if piggybacked person doesn’t do emote / deep call, iirc they still get the dye no? If the uber summons then piggybacked does too

[ionic pendant]

Oh if you carry them then they can get the dye you collect even if their plants are elsewhere? Well if that works then it's a little weird but not so bad. ^_^;

[rich silo]

The tournament torch is also extremely good for burning cuz you don't need to deal with the slow walk speed

[trail notch]

Are plants now the same for everyone?

[rich silo]

No, but the server will attempt to merge you in the same one if you're with a friend from what I saw
Pere and I had that issue recently

[trail notch]

I see

[upper drift]

ur telling me tournament tourch offers light, burns darkness, and recharges(?) but lantern was "too op" for lighting candles? 😃

[rich silo]

Cuz I was in a different server with the cool giant spiral plant in ark, but because I merged with them it went away 😔
But then like a rando still got the rewards so I was like the heck server

[ionic pendant]

Ah, torch is the essential dye run accessory as I'd heard. Hopefully I can do the dye grind for both my buddy and I so it doesn't make them hate the feature and not want to play at all. It would still be best if it just wasn't so grindy and demanding just to dye like one thing by the time it hits live though. ^_^;;

[rich silo]

You're comparing many years ago to now
Things change

Also the light emitted by the torch is still significantly less than the lantern

[upper drift]

ik but like they could update the lantern to at least light candles considering it was a $20 iap and torch was f2p (and arguably does more)
(i am just sad i am a lantern owner and i can never actually use it unless im not leading cr lol 😔)

[rich silo]

Honestly my advice is just do your CR as normal and pick up dye if it's convenient
Or plan totally separate dye runs

[rich silo]

Then that's a good ol' #live-feedback

Honestly my personal use for lantern these days is it doesn't extinguish underwater so I bring it to sanc turtle so I can see in the pitch darkness the actual shell outlines and not have to squint

Added bonus I run sanc after and not have to deal with the dark caves navigation

[upper drift]

lmaoo thats fair, i usually always lead any cr so i never get chances to use it since it gets put away when i try to pull a candle out 😭😭
also it would be funny to be able to dye the lantern. ourple tinted light. 🟣

[lavish matrix]

Red light for krill effect

[trail notch]

Krill cosplay
Krill cape here I come

[rich silo]

Can I also point out another lantern bonus

When you visit your friends' nest and it's the darkness of aviary night time and you can't see a damn thing in their room

Take out the light

[upper drift]

or that one thing where you set it to flashlight mode and spin. become ur friends' disco ball.

[lavish matrix]

Or become their own spotlight

[rich silo]

I call it disco lighthouse

[manic raven]

Hello betachat!

Is it just me or is it slightly annoying how the markings for when you honk/deep honk to find the colored lights/plants just disappear once they're already burned? 😭

I feel it'd be better if the markings are still there no matter if they're burned or not so that everyone can still find em

[rich silo]

Well you can see the butterflies from afar still

The problem is they can drift if there's wind near (stupid wind paths) or they're just too tiny to see

Worth doing a feedback

[fathom summit]

#beta-screenshots-videos message in addition to this i was so confused when i tried to dye my mask and i needed 3 blue bottles after i went out and got the two i thought i needed

[lavish matrix]

the new radiance season emote! I don't know if it's accessible rn but I've seen its icon greyed out in the emote menu

[untold junco]

There are also a lot of dyeable cosmetics and they keep consistently adding cosmetics😭 the new requirement is not reasonable at all

[lavish matrix]

So far there's 3 known emotes for this season
And the constellation shows that there will be 3 spirits too

I'm thinking of it being like to address the feedback about scaling the dyes based on the areas to be dyed like big areas require 1 jar and smaller areas require half a jar. But realistically, how would they effectively convey the fractions in the most easily understandable way through the UI itself? I theorise they tried to apply this but with the whole number instead. Would be much better if they change the dye collection rate to account for this (I'm pretty sure they're considering this, or I'm just hoping xD)

I don't think general audience, especially younger ones would understand what 0.15 or 0.75 means unless you're a hard-core eden runner

[fathom summit]

it took me 5 hours to get my first 2 white bottles and that was during the early builds. im gonna be so frustrated if i have to get 4 now for my mask in live especially when that color is so much harder to get in the new builds

[untold junco]

#beta-screenshots-videos message is pink underneath still possible? We were happy/ok with most of the dyeable options i don’t get why they changed it I’m not surprised as they always make weird decisions like this, but didn’t they add the dyeing option to express our creativity? Then why are they making it limited and costly

[lavish matrix]

Huh what changed about the bat cape dyeing

[untold junco]

The way u still need candles to buy the dyeable cosmetics😭 do they think we have the 24 hours of the day for their game

[lavish matrix]

You could space out 5 hours into multiple days instead I think

[untold junco]

The colors are desaturated now, it’s no longer pastel colors

And the gradient in base game capes are unnecessary

[lavish matrix]

It's not saturated in the screenshots to me? The blue bat cape has that saturated blue

I don't get what you meant by the bar cape dyeing looking saturated cuz from what I see it's not saturated at all 😭

Anyway I would like for a patch note for this build to explain as much as possible about the changes

[untold junco]

I meant desaturated😭 it’s like a desaturated black blue

[lavish matrix]

Ah I see xD even with the double dye pots?

[untold junco]

I haven’t tried it out yet, I’m judging based on the picture cro provided

[lavish matrix]

Given the weirdness with the default t2 capes where the underside colours spill out to the trims, I can assume it might be a bug as well

Do let me know when you've tried out! :o

[untold junco]

When was the new update released tho?

[lavish matrix]

Just yesterday, late late night patch

Or 2 days ago? Timezone messed with me all I know is that it updated around my lunchtime but it was definitely late Friday night doot

[fathom summit]

in the bat cape pic its double blue, double teal, half teal half blue, and half blue half teal (so yes they are just desaturated)

[lavish matrix]

Quick qn do you have an older build dyed bat cape for comparison?

[untold junco]

Rip my saturated pink bat cape

[lavish matrix]

Aw rip, then definitely feedback!
Are there other cosmetics where colours get weirdly desaturated? If not then I'm sure it might be bugged like the default t2 cape wackiness

It's definitely odd given that the og bat cape has the very saturated orange underlining

[fresh apex]

Re: #beta-screenshots-videos Is there any way for people to spend real life money to get dyes? If not I’m unsure how that would make the company greedy by increasing the dye costs. I think that the changes aren’t good for sure but greed doesn’t seem to be a factor here imo

[solar lark]

Definitely not

[waxen oyster]

I noticed that the colors in the dye season area look desaturated. When you leave, they look more saturated

[waxen oyster]

I think more than money, they may be concerned with players going wild with the colors? Maybe going wild with the colors would make the game look even more confusing to newer players? Other than that I have 0 idea why they make us grind for the colors.

[fresh apex]

I would prefer the acquisition of dye to be pretty quick but I can see the position that dying something should be like a small accomplishment and you think a decent amount before dying things? Being thoughtful about it or whatever.
Unrelatedly, I hope days of color relates to dyes somehow next year

[hazy crescent]

Oml I was gone for a while what happened in the recent build

Why am I seeing less vibrant dyes for double the price

[night steeple]

If one application of dye is half the strength it might be more balanced to have that use up half a pot of dye, and then a double application for a solid base colour is using up the full pot. Rare dye can still be rare but not at an infuriating level.

[somber oyster]

Obligatory mention, but it’s pretty normal for beta to see multiple iterations of an idea (similar to how we see different dyeplant options and dyeing UI). So with that in mind, please don’t forget to send your thoughts in #beta-feedback - but also remember to give feedback on the things that made your experience better and the things you do want to keep!

[hazy crescent]

Tbh either they speed up dye collection on par with regular wax or reduce the price cause this is getting ridiculous

[somber oyster]

Having said that, I too hope we will see changes it’s uncertain how we will see things in the live game, but this feels a bit too much to me too. Collecting dyes is already a grind, and it feels unbalanced now

[waxen oyster]

I also feel conflicted about the dyes. Imagine grinding for weeks only to be able to dye one cape and one outfit. Then a new outfit comes, and you put it on while the dyed combo stays in your closet collecting dust. You grind for weeks or months just to wear it for a few days until something new comes along. Or the season changes and you change into your seasonal outfit. I have friends who change every time they go into a new realm or at least every day. So you gonna grind for weeks just to wear the outfit for a few minutes at a time? Dyed outfits don’t have the novelty of new cosmetics that you may wear longer. I mean you can dye your whole closet or at least your fav outfits eventually and always wear the dyed stuff . That would take a couple years I feel

[tacit heron]

Should I draw Radiance Guide

[lavish matrix]

Do it!!

@pseudo cedar there's nothing wrong with getting hopes up, if you are passionate about something and want something to change in a way you would like to have in sky, there will always be #beta-feedback
Things are very experimental and there are a lot of changes given there are different factors they have to consider that we may don't know. Its okay to feel frustrated but don't put anyone's hopes down by saying you can't get your hopes up. Nothing wrong with being passionate and optimistic about a season

@waxen oyster ohh the lighting does subtly but profoundly affect the saturation of the cosmetics, more especially the underside of the cape

Thank you for showing!!

[sullen arrow]

@maiden basin The after photo is making me cry

[tight atlas]

Did they seriously up the amount of dyes by 4-5x needed? Siiiighh.. think I might just leave sky soon

[night steeple]

Maybe some stage light switches would help as well, not just having atmospheric lighting but something to also shine some of this light from above and even at an angle so you aren't in shadow. My worry is definitely players thinking they're happy with their dye choices only to feel it's too different outside. The studio doesn't display that lighting in the same fashion. I've suggested this already but any ideas you have for feedback could help.

[balmy tapir]

On the bat cape - mine dyed lavender doesn't look much different, but darker colors do look kind of washed out. I also noticed that the radiance guide cape colors look more washed out than they did before. It might be some unfortunate adjustment/bug to some capes

[lavish matrix]

Looking at the pic, when you get out of the shop is it as washed out :o

Ah yeah must be an unfortunate saturation bug

[balmy tapir]

The problem is that the light comes out the window and we're standing to it with the side so it's all in the shadow. I only manage with switching light to prairie that's at the very end of the list for some reason and turning around to face the window. Like idk why is it like this

[lavish matrix]

I think the idea of a direct stage lighting would help to shine light across the body so we can see the colours in various lighting consistently

Have the beacon light / spotlight (?) change colours based on realm too

[night steeple]

Kinda like how the theatre stage has lighting rigged for it, we could use some spotlights perhaps. Or the dye menu could become a private menu that is a little more involved, say more like a stage where you can switch sets and it mimics the lighting of that area. Thinking of the FFXIV character creation which lets you make adjustments with the option of swapping into different lighting environments...But it could be a little more artsy and just be custom backdrop with the actual lighting worked in

[lavish matrix]

Mhm! Atmospheric lighting is good but it's hard to see what the colours look like if it's too shadowy out

I wonder if a short term spell would work, like allowing us try dyed cosmetics in different realms for a short time before committing to dyeing them?

[balmy tapir]

Well this is why the lighting options are there. They just need to make them better

[lavish matrix]

Right it could've done better. We'd have some spotlights right over the dye zone

A question, when you want to switch the lighting mode, do you get out of the dye menu or not? Does the dye preview disappear when you do that?

[balmy tapir]

They put the switch next to the stage so yes you can do that now

[lavish matrix]

Ohh nice! That's more convenient than it being on the other side lol
Now we need a direct and all round lighting

[waxen oyster]

Bruh I posted the video where I change the lighting an hour ago

[lavish matrix]

I know i noticed it but I'm not in beta so I'm not 100% sure what I'm seeing sometimes

[waxen oyster]

Oh

[night steeple]

It feels a bit tedious in how it's done though, where you have to run up to the switch to change it. The camera also bumps up against the opposite work table and spirit at times and memories are still able to be placed along the sides so the view becomes obstructed.

[lavish matrix]

It doesn't show any ui in the video which makes me wonder if you're outside the dye menu or still inside when you do the lighting switcheroo

NOT AGAIN I fooled someone

[lavish matrix]

Okay true it doesn't seem to be effectively convenient. I wonder if we can change the lighting from a button inside the dye menu?

[waxen oyster]

It’s outside the dye area. But you can preview the colors without committing while on that white canvas

The lighting switch doesn’t change things much tbh. You don’t know the exact hue until you commit and then go cr

[lavish matrix]

Ye the actual realms have vastly different lighting and ambience than what can be shown in the shop, I remember how prairie tend to overexposure the cosmetics

[waxen oyster]

That reminds me, I gotta leave feedback about the lighting

[lavish matrix]

Yesss let's do it lighting actually matters when it comes to colour

[waxen oyster]

Yes the dye shop’s lighting switch does a poor job of replicating realm lighting

[lavish matrix]

Mhmm the ambience is different but the way the cosmetics reflect them isn't as accurate as it does in the realms

When the prairie simulated lighting in the shop flashbang your white cape, then you've got it right /j

[balmy tapir]

Yeah I really dislike all this random rubbish the camera gets obstructed by, and the camera also loves to move on it's own sometimes too

[lavish matrix]

I don't think the shared creations should be allowed in the zone, it's obstructive as you've said

[hardy tide]

I dont know why but i feel ugly now with the latest dyeing . I feel less interested compare to the previous build which are flawless

[night steeple]

Zoom is also locked in depending on what you're editing, so if you want to get a full body shot to see the overall look you have to have something on that can be edited from more of a distance like outfit or cape.

[marsh orbit]

they made it even harder to dye things and you're right about it

[astral magnet]

So they made it cost more to dye things and then made it look worse (on the base capes)? There is no real incentive if its a grind for no good outcome

[untold junco]

Ok blue seems to be the only color affected by the desaturation and probably so the starpin buyers can have a unique version of it

[limber nacelle]

Me who has the STAR PIN Mischief Bat cape:

[limber merlin]

Are you allowed to give out beta builds aka the beta app to people of the beta is closed or no?

Or not?

[orchid knot]

When tgc need new testers they'll announce invites, we don't have any advanced knowledge of when that happens but I see you have the invite role so you'll be pinged when it happens in #beta-signup-info

[urban coral]

I get soooo mad when I burn a big ol plant in Waste and it doesn’t give me any black. Like I don’t need any more blue or purple bro. 90% of the Sky cosmetics are already blurple. GIVE ME THE BLACK! Burned every single waste plant today and I got maybe 3/4 of a jar. Only 6 or 7 more days to get my black pants :( let’s hope they don’t nerf those between now and then like the did to my t2 cape :/

[brazen token]

So are we feeling like week-long grind for one/two dye jars is fine as long as items go back to being one jar each dye session? I think that would be nice

[modest wraith]

#beta-screenshots-videos message me enjoying buying things with real money so tgc will remove it next patch update

[limber nacelle]

Though honestly I agree with that statement.

[cunning hearth]

more reasons to implement jar exchanging
helps with the grind too

[upper drift]

a week for one dye jar feels a lot slow 😔

[viral crow]

this update seems to make dye plants less available? i cant find one at the beginning of gw map

[tulip veldt]

i think it varies where they are by hour, i had a lot in GW

[viral crow]

You know what...i think...i'm not looking forward to this season anymore...after they updated the number of dye bottles needed to dye an item instead of 1 bottle per color like before...you know burning the dye plants is sometimes quite difficult and...they don't give too much

[regal dagger]

The lack of free camera controls in the studio is so frustrating when you are trying to sort out your fit

[vale temple]

Still sitting here hoping we'll be able to dye the revival ribbon