beta-season-test-chat

[pseudo thicket]

It seems like that 😅

[lavish matrix]

We do now have a kind of dupe for Aurora's tiara with the Duets tiara so it's very possible

[calm garnet]

Imo I don't really think it's a wise idea to include a number of props for a season unless the season itself is literally related to props like nesting and assembly, if some of them belong to sq reward or maybe include into nesting shop, ppl can choose to obtain or ignore

Also I dunno if it's that only me but I feel like having mannequins for a season is soulless and boring plus we already got non-season spirits in a row recently

[hollow scaffold]

Ah guys why does my beta says server error when i open it?

[lavish matrix]

Personally for me it's not about the spirits that offer cosmetics that indicates whether the season is soulless or not, for me it's the strength of the storyline and the experience the season has.
Like Duets works the best with the mannequin system because they showcase the two spirits' history and the quests where we relive the spirits' story is especially strong and emotionally engaging.

I don't really think Moomin is soulless in this case, tgc had definitely put more effort into the seasonal questlines, especially the void quests.

I find it troubling to assume it as boring if there are mannequins instead of spirits as if the story quests don't impact as strongly when it indeed does

The first 4 seasons severely lack concrete story quests so they don't stick to my mind tbh

[hushed charm]

We can actually see what is paid and not rn based on the icon of the season on the items

[lavish matrix]

Oh really? :o

[covert bison]

Yes there is an icon in the closet

[lavish matrix]

Thought they're wip icons rn xD

[covert bison]

I mean that the paid ones have the moomin symbol on the wip icon

[lavish matrix]

!!! I see, I thought we haven't seen it yet xD

[hushed charm]

If there is no season icon and it is not iap is free, if theres the season icon is behind the pass.
So theres seems to be rn the flute, the cute bell, pants, 2 furniture and the i didnt check what the rest is

[lavish matrix]

the ones you listed are pass locked ones right?

(The instrument is called harmonica btw)

[hushed charm]

These are free, if the trees are working that way

[lavish matrix]

Ah i see! Surprised the bell is free bc it rings but hey I like it

[covert bison]

I put a picture of how the icons are looking (I only took pictures of two sorry)

[lavish matrix]

It's ok!! I really appreciate it happy that the harmonica is f2p hehe

[icy isle]

yeah i know, that can still change though

[hushed charm]

I have a feeling a thing or two will change still but the current line up is definetely not bad for a free pass

[lavish matrix]

Harmonica being a free sustained wind instrument, if it stays that way, is extremely generous

[icy isle]

never thought we'd have an umbrella in the season pass since lightseekers ngl

[frail merlin]

yeah i hope some if not all of them will be moved to the guide's tree instead and at a reasonable price, assuming the guide's stuff will be limited to the season
i was expecting new emotes, stances, friend actions and calls from spirits this season i hope its still a wip and not just one emote

[lavish matrix]

tru xD I've never seen it since 5 years...

[untold junco]

It kinda gave ult vibes to me cause of the sound

[calm garnet]

I doubt the sound will be the result, ||or else I guess the light seeker vets will feel annoyed ||

[lavish matrix]

It could work as an ult, bc those are non returnable, especially with the obvious moomin imagery 👀 I wonder what unique sound effect will it be

[calm garnet]

Poor pc moffs can't experience the season with spirits, iirc PC's official first season was nesting, I wish we could enjoy the season with spirits and expressions again

[lavish matrix]

Tho there are Nesting guide and Duets spirits so it's not like they miss out the spirits. It just works differently

[hushed charm]

The invidible pants and the umbrella are not shown on the manikins and have the season icon so i suppose they are ults for now

[lavish matrix]

The moomin pants aren't shown on the mannequins either for some reason so I don't know if the mannequins are bugged visually

[hushed charm]

The big painting is not an iap (unless i missed it?), has no symbol and its not shown on the manikin area, my guess it will be one of/ the one thing to be on the tree

[lavish matrix]

yeah makes sense! Bc it summarises the story nicely

[hushed charm]

Last time i check its there on the manikin, in fact, the icon weirdly kept going down every time i opened the tree again

[lavish matrix]

Omg yeah my friend showed me and its hilarious

The pants really wandered away

is the flower crown confirmed to be pass locked 👀

My guess is spot on

One thing I'm curious is that what the snufkin tent will be (pass locked or not)

[covert bison]

Currently I remember seeing the season icon there so I think pass locked (things can still change around though)

[lavish matrix]

I see!

[untold junco]

It’s giving rhythm hair 0.2 vibes

[lavish matrix]

I don't really get the controversy of rhythm hair 2.0 I thought it's nice to give new players an opportunity of owning something similar but not the exact same to past ult

[vale temple]

People were mad because they felt like it was taking away from owl hair and making it less special. To me it just felt like it boiled down to gatekeeping in the end. My owl friend absolutely LOVES penguin hair players. Friends them instantly. So he definitely doesn't mind it

[untold junco]

I have both owl hairs and they r just there in my closet so i didn’t really care but yeah i think the penguin hair is more unique and the hair feels alive

[lavish matrix]

I personally love noot noot hair, it looks well nutrisied and fuller, while rhythm's like he's lacking nutrients 😭

[vale temple]

I like both. They have different vibes to me. My ideal would honestly be a mash of the two tbh.

I love the fluffy antennas on penguin and the bangs and side face framing hair pieces on owl. Overall so happy to have penguin hair so I can be fluffy and small in game running around with tufts bouncing at fast tiny-legged run 🤏

[lavish matrix]

Would love to see another "owl tufted" hair but in a unique style too, maybe braided or just long hair

[vale temple]

Braided with a little bell tied on the end would be sick. My sky OC has a braid with bell tied at end so I've been wanting a hair that has it. Now that we ACTUALLY have a bell that can do sounds my dream could be true one day. I want a little round silver bell in hair tied with red ribbon

[lavish matrix]

u know what I might consider drawing a design and throw it into live feedback

[vale temple]

I wanna see

[lavish matrix]

Ngl I can't believe we're getting a functional clock in sky like I've always wished I have one after seeing those stone clocks in the realms

[surreal lark]

Do you know if I take the IAP packs of the season will it affect the fact that the cosmetics had already been given to us before?
*Except for the plushie

[hushed charm]

Yeah you will just not be physically given because you already have it

[spiral lodge]

The way the moomin pants slowly goes lower and lower every time you open the spirit tree 💀💀💀

[craggy shard]

is there any chance to increase the next season’s ultimate gifts? such as tail or snufkin’s clothes

[lavish matrix]

The wandering pants 😭😭😭

[old mist]

Is it true that some new season outfits are IAP and not part of the season 😭

[boreal herald]

things can change so dont take whats in beta as final (or anything you see like "omg this is the ult and these are the IAP prices")

[hushed charm]

Like every collab we had so far yes

[lavish matrix]

They are part of the season tbh, collab seasons usually comes with iaps that are related to the season

If you're talking about season as in seasonal spirits, then ye they're separate from iaps

[ivory torrent]

What’s up with the moomin iap items

[chilly turtle]

ugh I hate that there’s so much flack about furniture, I love more stuff to build with!

[lone wigeon]

There is a chance but I'm not hopeful since this is a collab season and the Moomin franchise has the last say. I'd be very disappointed if I need to make multiple buys with real currency to make a complete Snufkin outfit.

[lavish matrix]

Same! I love the vintage feel of the furnitures for the nest (love your builds btw!)

[hushed charm]

I do think furnitures would benefit more from getting added to either permanent additions on trees or on shop rotation.

But i believe people are under the misconception that if the furniture werent on the pass something would replace it, wich i highly doubt it. We already have 15 items without counting the 4 furniture, wich is pretty much good enough items for TGC based on their last passes.

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! My friend had mentioned that the amount of items not counting furnitures hasn't been reduced, the furnitures are only added on top of that

Which makes me feel quite relieved

I really should keep track of the item numbers per season on an excel sheet

[craggy shard]

Exactly!
Additionally I can’t understand why they have put the invisible child pants in the ultimate gifts when there is a tree for it

[lavish matrix]

We really haven't seen what is ult yet, but probably a placeholder rn for actual Ninny dress on the ult tree but idk xD

[rich silo]

tbh it wouldn't make any sense for snufkin's items to be ults because the guy appears out of nowhere for 5 seconds and never seen again in the original animation so wouldn't be relevant to the main storyline that's being followed -> thus doesn't make sense to be ult related

[uneven pier]

Does anyone know when the suit will be released or if I miss it

[lavish matrix]

#beta-discussion please also this was already announced in #news look up Days of Style

[craggy shard]

I know and I don’t expect to see this costume somewhere else although there is a tree for this character

The big question is where did the big picture go

[pastel breach]

Im SO TIRED of all the good cosmetics being IAP. Yes i know tgc has to pay moomin but having like 7 iaps is excescive. They could make a special cape whit a special ability (like aurora cape or ncd cape) and make it IAP and make some of the iap items either igc pass exclusive or ults. No i dont hate furniture, its lovley to decorate our nests but there is TOO MANY of them in the season. It would be good if there was just like, 1 free furniture and 1 pass exclusive furniture item in SOME SPIRITS. Not in all of them. People want COSMETICS because they will spend their time using them while candlerunning and there is no point in spending time in your nest if the only thing to do in sky is candle running

[lavish matrix]

About the furnitures, I don't think furnitures actually took over the cosmetics slots, they're only added on top of the usual average amount of cosmetics in the past seasons even those without furnitures. Also in total there is just 5 of them (not counting the tent) in comparison to 15 non furniture items. So i dont feel it's impacting the cosmetics collection.

[covert bison]

Perhaps it is the slots that could be used for the emotes instead

[lavish matrix]

yeah but there are no emotes except the reading one. I think they focus more on storyline quest polish rather than the emotes so that gives the trees more space for the furnitures. It just works well for this season.

For emotes they need to make their own spirits but that's almost impossible to do without affecting Ninny's story in general (and the IP has the final say in this)

[covert bison]

Yeah that’s what I meant there aren’t the normal amount of emotes in these seasonal trees so maybe the furniture is taking a similar amount of slots

[lavish matrix]

That's true too, so the number of non furniture cosmetics doesn't change still

typically 4 spirit season offers like, 3 emote levels per spirit, so we'd have 12 emotes (aka slots)
Furnitures only have replaced just 4 out of 12 so kinda yeah

[rich silo]

tbh that's what I thought when I saw duets because that one was quite fleshed out with 4 pants and all that jazz
furniture just takes up where the emotes used to be

I looked back and season of flight had 14 cosmetics (not including emotes/music sheets/ults)
moomin has like 13? so the number of cosmetics hasn't changed really

this is just based on TS spread

[lavish matrix]

Yup, duets has (not counting the ult poster) 4 posters + 2 rugs (6 furniture prop) (not counting the instruments ofc lol)
So they just somewhat replaced the emote slots but not all of the slots

They just made another and 5th tree for the instruments and it works just perfectly for Duets

Makes me want to tally them all for the past seasons as much as I can and see any changes (definitely exempting nesting bc that's something xD)

[harsh torrent]

Thank goodness there are no special IAP capes, that's the one good thing

[hushed charm]

I doubt that we wont have one

[spiral lodge]

I honestly feel like the ninny cape will be the “special iap Cape”

[hushed charm]

Was thinking same since shes the face of the season on the vault hub

[lavish matrix]

yeah! And especially the unique bell wedge icons on the back

I'm curious as to what the music sheet for moomin sounds like 👁

[calm garnet]

I agree at this point because this is what I exactly feel, I get that the ip license is probably expensive this time so it’s kinda reasonable to have a number of iaps, but at the same point it’s also too exclusive for some reason, I personally think it’s okay to let Snufkin’s hat belong to season cosmetics for not letting his hair feel too “lonely” (very personal opinion tho)
Also as I mentioned before, it’s really not a wise idea to make a number props include to the season spirits unless the season itself is related to props like nesting or assembly (just like duets since we got a number of posters and 2 recoloured mats too ) I get some of the ppl did enjoying decorating their nests but not for the others (as far as I know from some friends), plus we already got a number of furniture from nesting before so it’s really unnecessary to have much more furniture from the season when it is not really for props, it would be okay to let some props belong to season quest reward or even add in the nesting shop
One more thing I would point out is we haven’t had season emotes (technically) after 9cd (duets doesn’t count since it belongs to the season guide + the cellist spirit cosmetics will stay permanent), I think it’s time to bring back the season spirits with emotes after we got non-emotes season so constantly, many live players (as far as I know from most of my friends) are already feeling bored with the recent seasons without new seasonal emotes, non-spirits season is okay to exist but NOT too frequently, other than the storytelling and cosmetics it’s really boring to not getting any seasonal emotes

[hushed charm]

As someone pointed out before pc moths have pretty much not seen a new season emote yet 💀

[lavish matrix]

duets' bow and moomin's nerd book emotes: are we a joke to u

(If you mean by the proper emotes from the spirits then ye)

Still happy that the book emote isn't friendship emote type, quite accessible for moths (and these are really cute aaAAA)

[rigid kayak]

I totally understand that Sky is indeed a free game, and that means that there will be frequent iap. I want to support tgc as much as I am able to because I do genuinely love this game. However recently the iap have gotten more frequent and expensive for players to enjoy. I guess when I'm imagining giving my money to tgc it's so that nice things can be free for players in the future. Sorry if my thoughts aren't making a whole lotta sense cause I'm sleepy haha

[lavish matrix]

Nah it makes sense! The iaps are what keeping the game running especially bc server maintenance fees is crazy expensive in today's technology economy 😭
So it's nice that they're able to afford to create cosmetics for f2p players

At least the questlines have been more sophisticated, and are free to experience for all players ^^

[hushed charm]

I mean actual emotes, thats only the book that has yet to come and its a single emote (at least for now) anyway
Friendship emotes after bearhug are wild with the prices

[lavish matrix]

YEAH it's wild bc of the linear friendship emote tree 😭 I heard from jenova's talk in skyfest that they're considering changing the friendship tree so hopefully it'll be improved in future

[rigid kayak]

I do miss having emotes :(

[calm garnet]

I already said duets emotes technically don’t really count since it’s from the season guide, moomin new emotes neither at least now (and ofc 3 aurora emotes from the guide neither is)
Anyways I meant the regular new emotes from season spirits

[cloud ocean]

Yeah something about different trees/branches because they also admitted that it’s weird that a handshake comes after, like, hugging and playfighting and all that

[lavish matrix]

True, its awkward for a very basic gesture to come after all that fancy friendship emotes xD i like the idea of them reworking the tree based on tier based on how much the friendship has progressed

[lavish matrix]

I've edited my message to mention that too xD

But yeah it's been a while. At least having guide emotes are still better than lacking any emotes (shattering, revival and nesting I see u 👀)

also I think tgc would need to rework the emote organisation, probably labelling the seasonal emotes with the little pendant icons so that we know which ones which without changing the present arrangement that people have accustomed to

[hushed charm]

Honestly for me as long as we get the emotes it doesnt matter where it come from (and it isnt limited, looking straight at cure for me rn)

But i get that ur point is more about the spirits, wich i agree and really hope we do not get a 4th manikin season in a row 😭

[calm garnet]

Yeah it’s really boring with just mannequins fr

[lavish matrix]

Cure for me being limited is a lil sad xD like aurora actually taught her dance move on youtube for free so it's not like copyrighted or anything

[golden ore]

It's gonna be difficult to have the moomin characters as spirits because of copyright issues, they can't stay within the game after the collab contract ends. TLP, Aurora and NCD could keep the spirits as they were TGC's designs inspired by the titles and not the actual characters.

[lavish matrix]

Even if they create the spirits for moomin, that would take out the immersion of the story quests or the moominvalley itself

[solar lark]

So what you're saying is ✨ MANNEQUINS ✨

[lavish matrix]

wdym I don't get what you mean by that xD

[golden ore]

interested to see how the quests are gonna be like post-season

[lavish matrix]

Omg yeah

[solar lark]

If spirits don't work then mannequins can solve everything ✨

[lavish matrix]

Oh yeah! True

[solar lark]

tgc is already starting to change the spirits to become mannequins, soon it'll all be mannequins

[lavish matrix]

Nah it doesn't mean they'll make them all mannequins, if spirits can't fit the vision for a season, then they will use mannequins

Technically not always mannequins, there's a reason wiki list them as "entities" bc Shattering comes with orbs, Nesting with furniture displays

[solar lark]

We'll become mannequins next

[craggy shard]

Completely agree with attaching hat to the hair

or increasing the ultimate gifts by adding the big picture (and the tail )

[calm garnet]

Oh no please don’t, I’m already done with duets big poster being a ult
But maybe okay to be limited sq reward I guess 👀

[craggy shard]

i would never forget about the season of aurora that we had 3 ultimate gifts and six-section each tree

[spiral needle]

underneath darkened skies, there's a light kept alive

[craggy shard]

At least it’s better than “nothing“

[lavish matrix]

Currently the framed picture doesn't have the moomin pendant icon there and isn't found anywhere in iaps or seasonal spirits so there's a good likelihood of it being an igc guide tree gift. I don't mind if it's an ult either way to be frank, it compliments the entire story perfectly regardless of the ult or igc ult status

Also I don't know if the tail fits the ult gift bc of it being very Ninny focused season and it being very Moomin ip brand, though maybe, bc the hatti hands are on a seasonal cape design either way

[cloud ocean]

I think that there’ll be a lot of complaints about the framed picture if it’s an ult. I remember the ult duets poster backlash xD

[lavish matrix]

Yeahh that's a sad thing lol but either way it'll be limited within season time frame regardless

[lavish matrix]

Also it's super unclear on what will be an ult or igc ults bc well, for some reason for example the umbrella. It has the moomin images and it not being iap makes it possible to be an ult or igc ult so I guess there's a chance the tail to move out of iap but we'll have to see ><

[solar lark]

The plush and snufkin pack are pretty much guaranteed iap

[lavish matrix]

mhmm! I got the feeling too, honestly I thought the hat would be exempt but well its indeed snufkin's specific design so yeah

[trim crag]

I am concerned about the sheer number of them for the new season.

[golden ore]

I learned hattifattener is called Nyon Nyon in Japanese and i wanna stick with that coz i failed to remember the OG spelling

[hardy tide]

How many already the location of moomin snufkin side story 4 or 5?

[orchid knot]

I found 6 in a previous build, haven't had a chance to double check in this build yet

[hardy tide]

I saw only 4 or i havent explored

One at river center. One at bridge(near house) , one accross the bridge (the one with tent), then one on the foot of the waterfall, i thinkni missed the two locs. One at the island

[orchid knot]

Definitely feedback if you're having trouble finding them!

[stable comet]

coz the season of duets has no final quest in beta

[boreal herald]

the third quest was/is bugged for many people (i forget what caused it)

[stable comet]

can you check again? I just tagged you in the screenshot

[stable comet]

mine was also bugged but i fixed it myself by being on airplane mode

but since the season dont need testing, i don't think they will fix it though.. heard long time ago sanc seasonal quest was also bugged... so not many managed to get the final item

[clever fog]

Is the coming back of the season of shattering already happened in the beta?

[hushed charm]

Yes but no , the spirits showed up with nothing

[harsh torrent]

I think they're slowing it down because there's only so many "regular" emotes you can make with the skykid's limited model

[tulip veldt]

i love this ongoing story with the canonneer getting increasingly unhinged with the catapult

[stable comet]

Sorry for the late reply. It was similar like what the other player was saying. Probably stuck in the loop for the 3rd seasonal quest. Unfortunately there is no fix in beta though since this is a testing environment.

[sharp pebble]

i hope the snufkin pack isn’t iap i will cry myself to sleep

and the fact that it’s 2 packs rn…….

i just found out how much worse it is aside from that already. i’m a huge fan of the moomins and all this news about the amount of iaps and lack of emotes is so disappointing

[lavish matrix]

I personally think the story quests makes up for the lack of emotes ^^ so hopefully it's still as enjoyable

Given how relatively protective moomin is with its ip, so I'm not surprised they have a difficulty in intergerating the characters as "spirits" because if they become seasonal, they can come back after season ends which isn't legally bound by contract

[lavish matrix]

you may also need to look beyond the cosmetics, I'm sure this season offers a lot for moomin fans, currently there are 6 side stories, each based on the different Moomin stories from the other books 👀✨️ which includes Snufkin, Sniff and the Hattis

(There's 1 new emote though! It's quite cute, and not a friendship one, so it's very accessible)

[sharp pebble]

hmm alright i’ll try to have some hope

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! Looks like tgc put a lot of effort on the mainline quests, the "void" quests (it's quite cool imo) and the 6 side quests :D I think these honour Tove's works nicely

[sharp pebble]

for now i’m trying to avoid spoilers on the quests themselves but i won’t doubt they did a good job on those. i’ve always loved the seasonal quests :]]

[hardy tide]

@lavish matrix kindly if ok wheres the 6th locTion. I only found 5. Bridge, accross the bridge, river, fall, pier. I dont know the 6th one. Or i missed looking

[high atlas]

Just letting you know, Grey isn't in beta they might not know since they don't test. They're just an active participant in the conversation

[lavish matrix]

I have no idea cuz like Luci said I'm not beta tester xD just know from what I've read there are 6

You can ask around still but feedback if you find it difficult to find them

[lavish matrix]

Yessss it's definitely best to do it blind! I haven't seen as much but these are looking really interesting and emotionally engaging so far

[high atlas]

I still have yet to even touch the recent quests, but they look awesome from the photos

[lavish matrix]

I think I'm particularly loving the void quests bc whoa that's not something I'd see in sky

[high atlas]

Oh same. Every time I play them, I'm just excited to see more

[craggy shard]

Are the invisible pants will be normal like this ? At least make it as a feature like the tail

it doesn't matter in which pants you are scaring is more make sense

[blissful grove]

|| Except the skin, the pant is nothing more than the basic moth outfit. ||

[lavish matrix]

I doubt these pants to have a tail, because it's based on Ninny, who doesn't have a tail but she's the invisible child. Only moomintrolls and other characters have some form of tail

Arguably Ninny is the most human looking character in Moomin

[untold junco]

I think they meant they want the invisible pants to be a feature that u can wear with every pants just like the tail

[lavish matrix]

Ohhh yeah the phrasing is hard to understand xD

But yeah sago actually talked about it. The team wanted to try to make invisibility a "mask" feature, that can be worn on any pants, but it comes with many problems so they go with the pants only

[cloud ocean]

Yeah! That’s because pant features reskin your whole body. It’s easier to tackle than having a mask do that

[untold junco]

~~Yeah i was searching for sago’s message but couldn’t find it ~~

[lavish matrix]

#beta-discussion message

Got u fam

[boreal herald]

#beta-discussion message sagos message about pants, i was looking in the wrong channel

[lavish matrix]

Yup that's the one :D

[stable comet]

Sorry, can't really help much. Beta environment is like that sometimes

[simple hornet]

did they actually make the dom cape and broom iap?

[errant glacier]

I see the Raven cape for Season of Mischief is currently IGC. Is that confirmed?

[ember hull]

Nothing is confirmed until it is announced for live

[raven oyster]

We can only WAFO and pray that we finally get an IGC mischief cape this year

[proper granite]

Moomin season coming out?

[grizzled lichen]

around 2 weeks when the current one is over

[cloud ocean]

We have one tho. The autumn leaf cape is igc

[somber bridge]

I was wondering about the little prince sword pants, as they were originally IAP, when was it decided to make them IGC? Was it during testing or yall found out when it was live??

And do you think there will be a cosmetic that costs regular candles this season ?

[prisma agate]

for the tlp sword pants i dont really remember since tlp testing was years ago , but every collab seasons so far do have an igc item at the top of the quest tree so its very likely that theres going to be one too for moomin

[fierce fox]

the sword suit switched from being iap to being igc during testing! it changed in 0.14.0 (170971), from 15 usd to 200 candles

[tulip veldt]

bubba how did you manage to actually do void quest without dropping into the floor?

[orchid knot]

I just meditated and it happened

Did anybody else manage to do the quest and are we meant to be eaten?

[tulip veldt]

ok i am gonna try to do it again and see what happens

nope, still fell thru the map

[orchid knot]

I wonder if the void quests are optional or if we have to complete them to see the next ones

[tulip veldt]

maybe you can do it cuz you are chibi?

that would be funny actually, the anti-chibi fall

[orchid knot]

Scaring chibis into not going under multi doors I see

[tulip veldt]

ok i am tryin it as a chibi....lets seee.....

nope, fell harder

[orchid knot]

maybe it's device specific then

[rare seal]

Does anyone else have problems with the Void quest? It literally takes me out of the game when I try to meditate, I don't even enter the quest

[finite anchor]

same! my game instantly crashes

[high atlas]

I've done the quest 2 times now (once I decided to mess around and left the butterfly behind, second time I did normal). Yeah you are supposed to see Rudy come out of the sand, but then you'll slide all the way down to the lighthouse. There you will continue to the next cutscene.
Buuuuttt, it only seems to properly spawn you correctly like 20 % of the time. Normally I'm just stuck in an invisible box under the map which is escapable btw

[ionic pendant]

I managed to do it by just sliding right below Rudy. I might try to position myself right where his mouth should land next time I try it though.

[cold spindle]

Ah sorry, wrong channel message just now, anyway, moomin quest doesn’t work for me either, i got sent to the shadow realm

[shell fossil]

Juuuust gonna to ☝️☝️☝️to this post again.

If you're coming here to ask about beta charts and screenshots you've seen floating around about IGC vs. IAP for Moomin, please read this post: #beta-season-test-chat message

Everything in beta is subject to change before it goes live, especially new cosmetics and other items.

This includes stuff available through regular testing, and stuff found through hacking. There are IAP planned for every collab and event, and while everything is WIP, sometimes we put things in a temporary lineup or add it in with placeholder information because we have to put it somewhere while everything else is being worked on. All of that can and very likely WILL change between testing and live release.

[lavish matrix]

Thank you for saying this. I've been rather confused or overwhelmed when people assume things that doesn't exist in live yet and rant about it in this server, much more frustrated that there are people out there spreading misinformation or illegitimate content lately. So this really lighten the worries quite well :>

[delicate echo]

Do you guys think we will get an igc item from the guide like aurora and LP pants?

[lavish matrix]

From the past 3 collab season, yes there will definitely be one, for a limited time

[boreal herald]

did auroras pants exist for the season or was it just the event?

[spiral needle]

all that remains is a silent call, is the earth colored red?... oh no that's the krill light ahead

[orchid knot]

🧇

[lavish matrix]

Season

[delicate echo]

The season and i don't remember them being available in the event (the green pants)

[rich silo]

they did come back for the event iirc

[lavish matrix]

It was available for encore event too!

[boreal herald]

cause itd make sense to have a limited item for the season if it was- oh cool!
its still very much a wafo but it could follow the other collab seasons

[lavish matrix]

I love that I missed getting 200 candle pants during the season but I managed to get it during encore

[delicate echo]

Oh yes i just recalled they did come back

[rich silo]

checked the wiki for aurora concert and it said it returned for that event

[lavish matrix]

Just the only new things added to aurora encore are the emote and 10k shoes

The limited igcs and iaps came back (not ultimate items though)

[orchid knot]

man I can't wait for encore 2 with 100k shoes

wait they should make it 100m and then it's CM and all the community managers could have cool CM shoes

[lavish matrix]

100k aurora encore is gonna cook the servers

[orchid knot]

What about 10k moomin concert and we can really see how things go with all the cones and details

[lavish matrix]

The tree leaves and the cones together is gonna make your screens run on 1fps

[shell fossil]

I give this my full and completely unbiased support 😌

What about 10k moomin concert
10k moomin concert, but it's all Hattifatteners

[lavish matrix]

Omg that'd be hilarious if we become hattifatteners 😭

[mental salmon]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

The encore in question

[ionic pendant]

If sky kids were added to Moomin species' cannon they'd probably be distant cousins to hattifatteners what with the liking to be hit by lightning and all.

[orchid knot]

We're nearly there with Moominpapa story quest on the island so many hattigoobers!!

[brittle haven]

Where is the cackling crab?

I want to join the test but idk where the crab is

[cobalt solstice]

go to #beta-discussion

[queen arch]

Please, the hattifatteners are crashing already, no more lightning grass

[high atlas]

As long as we get to be the hattifatteners

[topaz mantle]

am i the only one disappointed with 90% of the moomin season being IAP/pass?

[orchid knot]

Well we don't actually know what is and isn't pass/IAP until live, so it's hard to say - but personally since it's a collab I expect a fair few IAPs regardless and just kinda accept that as part and parcel of collaborative works

[topaz mantle]

i haven't played in a while but seeing from the vids out there and knowing tgc, they'll probably make the most interesting items paid and leave free players with like

the portraits and a pair of pants.
i wouldn't doubt if they made the moomin ears and tail for the moomin season paid

specially after that whole drama with the cat hair that got people rioting

[orchid knot]

I mean it's Moomin so I would assume so yeah, but anything you've seen released thus far is either from WIP beta or illegitimately obtained from beta files that can be outdated and are also WIP so I'd just say take it with a pinch of salt and leave your thoughts in #beta-feedback if you hope for anything specific from moomin to be igc

[topaz mantle]

it was a vid from a huge youtuber released 4 days ago lol
also tgc almost never hears players out

[orchid knot]

Then as I said it's still WIP beta so nothing is final, one of the Devs shared an interesting post here just yesterday lemme go grab it!

#beta-season-test-chat message this post here was a good disclaimer for beta things

not me saying yesterday and that's dated 11/09 what is time lol

[ember hull]

tgc almost never hears players out
If you pay attention then you wouldn't have that impression

[topaz mantle]

i've been around since TLP lol..

[untold junco]

They switched iaps in TLP tho…
Sword became an igc
Little prince outfit and hair(i think) became ultimates

[topaz mantle]

items have been getting more and more expensive with a lot of IAPs just appearing or getting "switched" (igc to iap)
also flashbacks to that one time 3 recolors of the towel cape had 3 separate prices

[analog silo]

IAP, pass-items, anything regarding currency in general (especially the IRL kind) can be a big point of contention for many players and just about everyone will have different thoughts about it. So in any case, you’ll probably find many people that agree or disagree with your thoughts!

Like bubba said, nothing is final in Beta and as testers we often don’t have all the information about what goes into pricing. But all players are welcome to submit feedback as things get tested in Beta or are announced in Live for consideration and I would encourage you to do so— even if we may not always see changes based on that feedback

[orchid knot]

There's a common misconception that tgc don't listen to players and it's hard to debate because you can't convince people of their steadfast opinions, a lot of the time it comes from frustrations at things not being how we want rather than them not listening entirely because there are numerous examples of tgc listening to feedback and implementing changes and new features in game across the 5 years of sky

If you don't feel tgc listen that's okay, objectively it's not true, but what you want them to listen to is subjective to you and that's also okay

[topaz mantle]

this is so insanely different to youtube comments on any beta vids ever 💀
people are already grabbing the pitchforks around there without even knowing the prices LOL

[untold junco]

The 3 towel capes had separate ticket prices last year so realistically they would have separate igc prices

[topaz mantle]

that's exactly what i mean
3 of the same towel, different prices
it being like that originally wasn't part of my point, just it being in general

[orchid knot]

That happens, but it comes with a lack of awareness (and sometimes willingness to accept) that the posts from beta are not in the intended state for live

People have also been very upset in here too of course, but again it's much more useful to channel those thoughts and opinions into the feedback channels for tgc to review because as players that's our most important asset - our voices

[topaz mantle]

i think it's a lot about the prices, if anything
a lot of items are insanely expensive (cough anything 100 candles cough) for the average person not even counting with passes and iaps being as expensive as actual irl clothes in some countries
it's not like TGC is some small, indie studio that needs all that money either, they've got a massive community and some of the best selling games out there (journey)

[untold junco]

Ngl I have to say I’m not a fan of the ticket pricing either especially during cinnamoroll collab where a tea prop costed 50ish tickets

[orchid knot]

To an extent they do need the money though in order to fund things like hosting and developing a live game, tech development, staff expenses, server and maintenance costs, from a player perspective they're super duper rich they don't need our money !!! but from a company perspective they probably disagree

I think though ultimately we can expect there to be IAPs from moomin that much is true, but for now we won't know which until they officially announce anything

[topaz mantle]

the day tgc makes a guilty gear collab (that isn't just bridget items)? they can take my wallet
everything nowadays is unholy expensive tho

[topaz mantle]

if stuff was cheaper more people would be able to buy it, ultimately resulting in profit.

One season pass over here is 50BRL
50.
that's not a lot of money but you can still buy useful stuff with it

Some IAPS are 100 (now over that thanks to BRL going lower value)
i could buy an outfit for that in some stores.

the TLP cape was 200.
more expensive than some actual GAMES

[orchid knot]

Omg I am so sorry for your rate of exchange, I know it's not the only place with a massive inflation in pricing, but more often than not when I've talked about IAPs recently Brazil is always mentioned I wish they could localise prices so they weren't so much for y'all!

[topaz mantle]

here's the funny thing: they can!
a lot of games are cheaper in regions with different currencies, and that can be by A LOT

rain world: downpour, for example, was like HALF the US price over here (not even on sale) for a hot while

[orchid knot]

I can't speak on why they haven't done so already, I just hope they do eventually

[topaz mantle]

exactly!!
also offtopic but i SWEAR to god if the big hat from moomin season is pass or iap i will explode
it's too cute to be wasted

[orchid knot]

I suspect given it's very Snufkin IP it's likely to be, but I know so many people excited for Snufkin cosmetics so hoping for the best!

[topaz mantle]

NOOOOOOOOOO

i know absolutely nothing about that franchise but pain.
they can't keep getting away with this 😭

[high atlas]

I'm personally also excited to cosplay snufkin, as well as everyone else, so I hope it won't be Iap.

[rich silo]

iirc they did have a blogpost about this a while back but the thing with localised pricing is that only players within the same region could gift IAP and whatnot to each other, so you can't give anything to your international friends

and I think based on the question they asked at the time and the feedback given from the community, players just would rather have the ability to do that > localised pricing

[topaz mantle]

200 brl for a cape.
still hurts even with it's limitations.

[ember hull]

do they have to region lock iaps?

[rich silo]

it just opens things up to scamming and exploits I would think

[ember hull]

true. imagine the iap trading....

[solar lark]

or rather localising the price is what region locks it

[ember hull]

how so?

[solar lark]

idk but the app stores love to region lock stuff

[rich silo]

this isn't much consolation but it is nice that most events have like, a range of the expensive thing n cheap thing so there's something for various price points
so hoping that would also carry to moomin iap whatever the layout ends up being in the end

cuz the cinna items were up there

[tulip veldt]

i appreciate that so many of the interactive things can be shared with people tho like aurora wings or putting cinna in shared spaces

[shell fossil]

I'm not on the team that decides prices, so I can't be a spokesperson for that. But I did see this in the channel conversation:

A: I wish they could localise prices so they weren't so much for y'all!
B: here's the funny thing: they can! a lot of games are cheaper in regions with different currencies, and that can be by A LOT
A: I can't speak on why they haven't done so already

We did indeed have a blog post about this last year. TLDR, if Sky had region-specific pricing, we would have to divide players up into servers based on their region.

This would mean we'd be able to set prices for, say, South American countries that would be different from North American or European countries.

But, that also means that there would be no crossplay between regions. Americans wouldn't be able to play with Brazilian friends. Japanese players wouldn't be able to do Eden runs with players in France.

When we published that blog post last year, the reaction from across the community--all countries--was pretty adamantly against splitting up players like this.

If you want to read the more detailed version, it's on this page: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-economy-q-a
Scroll down to What is the team planning to do to address the impact of increased IAP prices on players? Because of ongoing inflation and real-life events, these IAPs are no longer in many players’ purchasing power.

Edit for pinning:
I will say that the team is very, very aware that what is considered an "affordable" fun purchase can be very, very different from country to country. It's also a challenging balancing act because our studio is based in a country where the cost of EVERYTHING has shot up since Covid began, which means various services that we and the game rely on (servers, for example) get more expensive, the US Dollar becomes more expensive compared to other countries, etc. etc.

I mention this purely for context—I know that prices have risen in other countries too, and that it's frustrating to see something you want and it's far out of your budget. This is only to highlight the fact that sometimes this stuff can be very complicated, and though we can't necessarily sit down and talk about all the reasoning for every single item, we are trying to balance a lot of different and, frankly, sometimes competing needs and desires with each new set of items (whether they're IAP or IGC, for that matter)

[orchid knot]

Ohh wait so localising prices means localising entire servers?

[rich silo]

sago with the wonderfully written wall of text let's gooo
that was very helpful to cover what region locking would do

[untold junco]

Ooh yeah i wouldn’t wish for that to happen either thanks for clarification!

[orchid knot]

Would it be possible to region lock the web shop that recently opened or would that present another set of considerations I take it? I would definitely be sad if global crossplay wasn't possible

Ohwaa it's the economy post, it's been a while since I read that I could only remember stuff regarding igc

[rich silo]

the economy post was the single best thing released in ever tbh
it covered everything

[orchid knot]

Now I know why I didn't recall, I got confused by the words

[high atlas]

I would definitely be very sad if I couldn't play with my friends. But it truly sucks how the prices are too

[shell fossil]

I will say that the team is very, very aware that what is considered an "affordable" fun purchase can be very, very different from country to country. It's also a challenging balancing act because our studio is based in a country where the cost of EVERYTHING has shot up since Covid began, which means various services that we and the game rely on (servers, for example) get more expensive, the US Dollar becomes more expensive compared to other countries, etc. etc.

I mention this purely for context—I know that prices have risen in other countries too, and that it's frustrating to see something you want and it's far out of your budget. This is only to highlight the fact that sometimes this stuff can be very complicated, and though we can't necessarily sit down and talk about all the reasoning for every single item, we are trying to balance a lot of different and, frankly, sometimes competing needs and desires with each new set of items (whether they're IAP or IGC, for that matter).

[rich silo]

I do still love the increase of f2p event items since ec was introduced though
biggest W because it balances it out compared to before where we'd just get the singular 180 candle item

[orchid knot]

I would be heartbroken if I couldn't play with my friends across the world though, in another game I used to play all my buddies were in a different region and crossplay wasn't possible, I didn't realise why that was a thing cause I've also played live service games where you can switch regions before whilst you're online, but the latter was a pre-paid game and I don't recall if there were additional IAPs so maybe that's why it was possible
Man as a player there's really so much that isn't as apparent especially when you play a variety of games and they do things differently

I always appreciate the communication we get here and in blogposts when these questions arise - my little mind is blown

[solar lark]

How about the ticket:candle ratio when deciding the candle pricing of items the following year? A lot of people weren't happy with the Sunlight prices, 6x the conversion rate is pretty steep

[buoyant heart]

Yeah! It's great to see events become less of a purely IAP bonanza, with a more balanced offering for all players

[lavish matrix]

This really blew my mind, I didn't know that localising prices would mean region locking players, which isn't something I'd want to happen to sky

This is really well worded, thank you so much!

[ember hull]

Perhaps pin that

[lavish matrix]

I agree! Compared to say 2019-2020 events these events were just iap fest compared to today

[shell fossil]

Elysian, that's a corner of things I have pretty limited visibility into, so I don't really have an answer for that, I'm sorry!

I do know that generally, we want event currency to encourage folks to play through the event and make it easy to decide to get whatever the new item is that year. But also, it's only been a few events since EC items were brought back for regular IGC. If you have thoughts and feedback to share on this, please please share it with us in #live-feedback! 🙏

[shell fossil]

Lol I can do that, though it's not particularly beta-related. But if the link comes in handy for other conversations in other channels, happy to make it more easily accessible

[lavish matrix]

I think it's handy, having it pinned helps bc we won't struggle finding this amidst the backlogs

[analog silo]

The Beta-only police will allow it this time 😌📌

[high atlas]

It is very helpful information, so the pin is very appreciated!

[calm spoke]

It is enlightening to see this information. Some people are starting to get impatient without answers. Thank you

[orchid knot]

omg still no new sound for umbrella yet what if we really do get lightseekers bwvoomph

Also the new seasonal area with the music omg

[high atlas]

The seasonal area got a glow up

[lavish matrix]

Massive glow up

I love it SO MUCH

I want to actually set up a camping there

[icy isle]

that's such a massive glow up
from void to small forest
hopefully we'll be able to visit the moomin realm as a sky kid

[lavish matrix]

Did you see a lighthouse in thee distance

[icy isle]

i did!! must've been a moomin reference too, i just forgot what it is

[orchid knot]

I'm sad cause when you first come here it has pretty song but song gone now where song go

[lavish matrix]

song? Oh yea this season has a music sheet too hallejujah

[icy isle]

music sheet atarzheyjeird I'm so excited to play it

[lavish matrix]

Must be but I don't know (totally a fresh moomin fan)

I'd say, the harmonica being f2p is so cool like everyone can play the doot doot

[orchid knot]

Today is the day I find out what moomin was gonna- OUR BUTTERFLY MAKES THINGS COLOURFUL

If you bonk into trees or the grass and such it tiny orb of colour

[tulip veldt]

bubba get yourself inside a bush

[orchid knot]

I did not find out what moomin was going to say I'm begging you moomin please stop talking off screen

[rich silo]

it is an ult so the sound being the same would track, honestly

[orchid knot]

how does one get inside a bush, asking for a friend

[rich silo]

think like a bush
live like a bush
become the bush

[tulip veldt]

go up to bush and uh, be in it

[orchid knot]

Ohhhh some of them don't have collision, the ones I tried first did and I just bounced

[rich silo]

oh you know what the updated seasonal area lighting reminds me of
you know the fire trial OOB at the very back end

that's what it looks like

[orchid knot]

Listen, this is what dreams are made of

[tulip veldt]

is it just me having a really hard time seeing the books?

[rich silo]

oh yeah I think the moomin family portrait painting is an IAP now, it showed up in the shop

[limber nacelle]

Did we get a update or something?

[orchid knot]

Wait it did?

[lavish matrix]

oh really? 👀

[orchid knot]

Is that Moominmamma masterpiece cause I thought that was the cape

[lavish matrix]

Are the iap numbers still the same?

[rich silo]

ohhh okay I'm wrong then I forgot about the cape I wiped it from memory

because it said warm embrace and the portrait's peeps are like, together in a hug along the shore so I thought that was the correlation
and I was like moominmamma is also very talented so she could defo paint and be cool

[orchid knot]

"the warm embrace of unconditional love" what if I cry

[lavish matrix]

LOL yeah it makes sense if it's a cape, moominmama specially knitted cape :pWow

bubba I'm going to cry why is she so sweet

[icy isle]

wait they made the moomin pants part of the season pass?

[lavish matrix]

U know the cape wraps around you, its like a warm embrace literally

[crisp cedar]

Things could change by the time it's ready for live.

[limber nacelle]

I'm gonna take this as a yes.

[lavish matrix]

Yes there is a doot indeed

[limber nacelle]

I haven't gotten yet, must've just been released.

[orchid knot]

Assuming that Adam is working on the music sheet, good sir please hand it over I wanna play pretty moomin song with pretty harmonica

[crisp cedar]

Not available for Android yet

[icy isle]

i just watched cy's video, i saw one of the Spirits wearing the pants.

[orchid knot]

oh no what happened to the harmonica

[rich silo]

the only pass locked thing are the invisible pants
moomin pants are still f2p

[steady crown]

Crispy doot

[lavish matrix]

yes pls kindly drop ur albums

[icy isle]

cool!! i genuinely thought that one became iap

[lavish matrix]

What happened bubba

[rich silo]

the snufkin pants are the iap

[icy isle]

I KNOWWWW I'M SAD ABOUT IT snufkin is my favorite character and 3/ 6 of his stuff are iap

[rich silo]

isn't it 3/7 cuz there was theee
harmonica

[orchid knot]

False alarm, harmonica did not die, aviary just hates normal pitch

[icy isle]

omg right,.,.,. i thought it was 6 cause i counted pants hair , hair accessory , cape , prop , instrument

[lavish matrix]

Aviary hates music in general

[orchid knot]

In other news smashing the notes repeatedly forces you to eat harmonica like sandwich

[lavish matrix]

Mmmm rock sandmich

[prisma agate]

mmm i love the taste of rock in the morning

[zealous charm]

holy the new season area/hub for Moomin looks so good

[rich silo]

I love it so much, the mood!!!

[cloud ocean]

Question - is the group moomin portrait in the season trees? If not, I think it’s likely that that’s the IGC reward at the end of the quests

[haughty pollen]

The IAP bundles are INSANEEE 😭 Is this season of moomin or season of greed? collabs scare me now

[rich silo]

I don't see it anywhere so it's likely that yeah

[zealous charm]

hell yea 200 candle picture

[olive forum]

All Seasons collabs had 3 Ultimate Gifts
This Season was very weak with Ultimate gift.
I know, I know, it's still in beta testing, but feedback exists.
The umbrella was a good Ultimate gift decision, but Skykid's transparent pants were weird...

[orchid knot]

Why is it weird?

[olive forum]

Moomin's pants with his tail could have been an ultimate gift, which is why it's weird

[lavish matrix]

I'm not surprised bc aurora had so many iaps too, and moonin ip is pretty merchy

[lavish matrix]

yeah however it's a season focused on Ninny story so having the invisibility pants as an ult contextually makes sense

[calm spoke]

Would be the moomin pants or the ears and tail

[lavish matrix]

Moomin pants is in the seasonal tree (and it's free iirc)

[icy isle]

the moomin pants are part of the season pass
the ears and tail are iap

[olive forum]

The fact that the items in the Season Guide are only emotes and no Collab items was pretty weak, too

[calm spoke]

Everything would be better than a 200 candles picture

[icy isle]

we don't even know if it's a 200 candle prop what are we talking about 😭

[zealous charm]

it was a very obvious joke… we don’t know how much it’ll actually be

[orchid knot]

300 candle picture!

[icy isle]

no no no, 1 candle picture /j

[zealous charm]

847 candle picture!

[calm spoke]

Lets be honest. Until now, the way the items are placed in mannequins dont make any sense like the Little My using the hatti wings

[olive forum]

Season of Little Prince: Sword pants
Season of Aurora: Pants, mask and emotes
Season of Nine colored deer: Mask and flower

[orchid knot]

999 heart picture, take it or leave it

[lavish matrix]

I don't mind if the picture ends up being ult either way xD but I like the lineup personally (knowing how strict the ip is)

Things can change, of course!
There isn't a visible igc ult items on the tree yet so we might see that in 27.5

[orchid knot]

honestly I could see little my repurposing a hattifattener's hands into wings

[calm spoke]

The moomin itens should be the igc rewards. Not the pants into random items in mannequin. I really hope better things

[lavish matrix]

these aren't random items on the mannequins, there are clear references to the characters while subtle (in order to be not against the copyrights)

[rich silo]

tbh after seeing the flavour text and stuff I'm like yeaahh this feels similar to the cinna situation where IP holders are very protective of their IP and want it only IAP for distinguishable features
but I'm still impressed how the TS items are heavily acessory based or inspired by the moomin characters, that's p dope

[hushed charm]

Well its actually better to have the pants on the free pass than on the guide tree for actual white candles (?)

[calm spoke]

Only the clear mannequin is the snufkin one. Having two items from him

[icy isle]

idk, the trees makes sense imo
little my + hattifatteners
snufkin
ticky too
ninny

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! Like the silly hattifatteners hands are there too, like that's obvious IP thing but it's in season pass

@calm spoke well it is a matter of perspective
These items aren't random that's all I can say they relate to Moonintroll, Little My, Snufkin, Ninny and also Too ticky / Moominmama (hattis too, the cape is so nice)

[icy isle]

omg I'm such a fake fan i messed up too ticky's name

[rich silo]

they fit in more characters than I initially expected cuz at this point it's generally a 4 'spirit' season
so it makes sense to bundle little my and hatti things together on the same tree

[orchid knot]

Tove was very protective over Moomin and has in the past not been happy with adaptations that have happened so it would make sense that the Jansson family would remain protective of her legacy still

[lavish matrix]

I once wrote toe ticky

[rich silo]

and thanks to tove not selling moomin to disney we get this collab 👏

[orchid knot]

you know what though WHERE SNIFF MASK

[lavish matrix]

Silly kangarat where

[icy isle]

snufkin hat igc please

[rich silo]

You know what the true crime is
Still no second igc umbrella

[lavish matrix]

Tbh the way jenova said he had to convince moomin for the collab means that it's difficult to instantly reach an agreement

[lavish matrix]

crime fr 😭

Also funny that the updated moomin pants icon is still not accurate to the current pant design

[calm spoke]

I know the items are based on the characters but the way the items are placed on the mannequins doesn't make sense. The characters have items randomly mixed up

[little locust]

What does the umbrella have to do with Moonim? Im srry I never watch the animation so idk..can someone tell me?

[rich silo]

in the first episode, too-ticky brings ninny to the moomin house while holding an umbrella!
the ingame one is basically the same thing just with added decals

[lavish matrix]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

Here!

[little locust]

Okay is cute...but that should be IAP.... And Moonim Tail and Ears should be Ultimate Reward

[orchid knot]

Can't believe we didn't get too-ticky beret

[icy isle]

season of aurora still having more iaps (and more expensive too imo) than moomin,.,..,

[lavish matrix]

yeah...and then encore added another one lol

[calm spoke]

Would be amazing

[rich silo]

no, because ults generally represent the season as a whole
and the story is centered around how too-ticky brought ninny to the moomin family to help her invisibility
so having the ults be representative of the two characters makes way more sense
umbrella for too-ticky, invisible pants for ninny

[lavish matrix]

These ults relate to Ninny story especially the umbrella

[calm spoke]

But the way the items are placed makes sense. This

[hushed charm]

.5 still on the horizon

[lavish matrix]

wdym makes sense all of these point to one person, Aurora

[icy isle]

igc hair accessory 🤞

[orchid knot]

Wait you're right IAPs TWO!! Too-ticky beret, sniff mask, mama and papa collectable plushies!!!

[little locust]

Too much umbrella in game....

[lavish matrix]

Or we might see some igc ult

[icy isle]

wdym we only have 5 to 6 umbrellas 😭

[rich silo]

please turn off ping when replying to me

[hushed charm]

Id love to see more than 1 igc thing again tho yeah

[little locust]

That seems a bit much to you?

[icy isle]

i think they're gonna do something like they did to aurora where half of the iaps are for the 2nd half of the update, hopefully

[rich silo]

it could also be like
we haven't seen the final quest yet so something could unlock after that like the aurora IAP situation

[orchid knot]

If I have to wait half a season for ninny cape I will cry

[lavish matrix]

Same

[orchid knot]

Scratch that, if I have to wait half a season for moomin plush I will become the next mischief boss fight

[hushed charm]

Its ok mischief will keep you entretained

[icy isle]

i didn't get the aurora instrument nor the deer horns from 9cd you'll survive /j

[rich silo]

stares at bubba who weeps about tlp fox on the daily

[orchid knot]

I've been hanging by a thread since tlp I cannot go through heartache again

[icy isle]

I've went through 3 heartaches that will be 4 after seeing the snufkin iaps

[orchid knot]

Trade offer for tgc: I will wait for no IAPs
You get: all my money

[lavish matrix]

But again the 9cd cape was avail to buy on day 1 just there isn't a function available until 5th quest had been done so it could be the same situation for Ninny cape

[orchid knot]

Realistically though we probably will get the half season IAP split again which will actually be beneficial financially rather than just carelessly grabbing them all on the first day because they're there

[calm spoke]

Ow its really

[icy isle]

manifesting i will get a moomin iap, i love the season so much 😔

[calm spoke]

Maybe using the cape we will be able to enter the moomin house

[lavish matrix]

maybe! We'll have to find out in 27.5

[rich silo]

You say that but you will 100% just beeline immediately with grabby hands

[solar lark]

Just gonna say again, feedback about iaps as much as you want but understand that with a collab the final decision is not TGC's to make

[plain flare]

So the broom turn into IAP now?

[lavish matrix]

Yes but please move to #beta-discussion

[echo mauve]

im a bit on the fence about having some of snufkins items be IAP while some is IGC... it feels a bit predatory? i understand it might not be TGC's choice to make it like this but it still leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth :( maybe feedback could help but otherwise the amount of IAP items has made me feel a bit turned off from this season despite adoring Moomin and it has a so very special place in my heart (my mom regularly calls me her moomin since she grew up with it) and seeing big capitalism be used for it just bleh.

[lavish matrix]

You can try to feedback still, there's a case where LP pants moved to igc ult so there's a chance. None in beta are final until live

[dawn spear]

Same noo, I get the tail being IAP along with the little shoulder guys, but the rest just feels odd. To have the complete outfits you need both the season pass along with the IAP :( feels bad. I'll submit feedback to TGC, I hope they listen to us. While I personally don't love Ninny's cape as it's not my style of cosmetic, it still was odd for me that they made it an IAP

[lavish matrix]

I feel it might be one of the special feature cape like the other 3 seasons

[dawn spear]

True true, In that case I really hope the hands cape is an Ultimate reward. If it's revealed to be IAP as well I'm going to cry 😭

[lavish matrix]

The hands cape is in the season pass btw, essentially a seasonal item

[dawn spear]

Oh wait what frr??? Is it an ult reward or in a spirit const?

[lavish matrix]

Spirit tree!

[echo mauve]

its in the spirit tree but you'l need the season pass i believe!

[dawn spear]

Ohh whatt I missed thatt. Didn't knoww thank you!!

[rich silo]

*nothing in beta is considered final until shipped to live

[lavish matrix]

(I really hope it stays that way, it's so nice)

[raven oyster]

Looking at the striped scarf it's the closest I can get to a "Where's Waldo" accent cosplay in sky.

[orchid drift]

Oh wow, I just woke up and see the thing they just made. Finally they turned the broom from igc item to iap item (not very surprising tho), but my patience for tgc is dropping 🤦🏼‍♀️ 2 years ago they also made the cat hair from igc to iap and it made the community so mad that they had to changed back, and now they did the same thing?? Are sky players are too easy that they are using that to make money??

[lavish matrix]

Please move to #beta-discussion (and please read back the backlogs, there are information that you can learn ^^)

I will say, it's objectively wrong that tgc "doesn't give a damn", tgc devs had been pretty transparent about things behind scenes lately. Please look at the recent pins and see it yourself

For this topic please move to #beta-discussion

[night scarab]

Transparent and very different from being a mercenary

[prisma agate]

1. this is the seasons chat, go to #beta-discussion for a discussion.
2. what the heck do you mean by “mercenary”

[lavish matrix]

Kindly move it to the other channel to be on topic

[royal fiber]

Hi I just got exepted into beta program bit when I try and log in it juat says to many players what can I do

[lavish matrix]

I think the beta server slots are full rn so best to wait until invites are open I suppose sadly

[dark basin]

No update for Android yet? Or is it just me

[royal fiber]

No I pressed the button in beta faq and it says welcome your now a tester but I downloaded it from play store but it just keeps saying to many players

[rich silo]

you need to wait for a new invite wave for slots to open up in order to get in

[high atlas]

Nah all androids seem to not have the update just yet

[cloud ocean]

The answer to the question “I’m now a beta tester” is meant to be a guide for new beta testers. The reaction is just for notifications when new waves open up

[shell fossil]

Cross-posting and pinning for easier reference—

I need to call it a day soon, but a quick* post before I head out:

Every event is going to have IAP. Collabs are also going to have IAP. We can't get around this—it's simply how we keep game operating.

When it comes to beta, we've said before that a thousand things are happening at once, and our top priority is getting them into a build so that they can be tested--for appearance, function, egregious clipping, unexpected bugs, whatever the case may be.

The easiest, fastest way to get items into a beta build is to toss them into, say, a random NPC tree and give them low IGC prices or make a ridiculous number of season candles available so that they can be unlocked more quickly.

This approach means we have more time to handle those 999 other things are happening, plus it has the bonus of reducing the chance that updates to the items will make them disappear permanently from your closets. (While that's not something we can prevent or fix in 100% of cases, we know that that's a not-fun part of testing. )

So, yes: During testing and even after testing, some stuff that was IGC in the first build might move to the IAP category. In some cases, this may have been the initial plan from the get-go, and other times the decision is made during testing depending on how the development process goes. This is a normal part of beta that everyone should expect, whether you're a tester or not.

And this is why I have that big disclaimer in bold and underline in every updates post ~~even though I more and more suspect no one reads it ~~— Everything in beta is subject to change, including what's placed in the IGC or IAP category.

*lol I say quick but these always end up being textwalls

[peak ether]

If this is how season of moomin is going to play out with the amount of IAP items there are, I fear that the Seasons of the Two Embers will be worse

[spiral sphinx]

blinks am I the only one who can't stay in an outfit for longer than thirty seconds , btw nice Scar profile

[peak ether]

Thx. I need him to return already

[upper drift]

i get needing iap, money is needed to run the game, but this is,, too much imo. there's waayy too many iap, and you can't complete any single character outfits without spending more money this way. (plus basing on average prices, its gonna get expensive fast if all those stay in iap section)

[hallow pendant]

Ugh. Still going into oob. Can’t complete 4th quest. Am I the only one?

[rich silo]

it's paying for both the company behind moomin + TGC for getting the collab to happen so think of it that way

[upper drift]

doesn't make it better tbh, i know adults play this game and all but so do kids, and its super predatory of a tactic imo to make it impossible to finish any outfits for a character without purchasing an extra iap on top of that

[peak ether]

Hopefully that since the seasons of the two embers will be TGC collabing with itself twice that they don’t release many IAP items

[lavish matrix]

Though Two Embers is still TGC's own property so it's not really a collab xD so I doubt they'd have to pay for their own copyrights

[upper drift]

i think the cape, snufkin pants, & moomintroll bundle are good as iap but the hat & shoulder buddy i feel make it too much

[prisma agate]

paying for their own copyrights sounds so silly

[upper drift]

having iap will only help the game grow, but too many is overwhelming for the players yk?
/even with having a good paying job, it can be a struggle to buy iap from limited-time events & collabs too. i still regret missing the fox from tlp lol

[peak ether]

Tbh I feel like if TGC actually released merchandise outside of their own personal shop and started selling in stores, they probably wouldn’t need all of these IAP items

[vale temple]

I want a TGC non-zip up hoodie that's light blue. Not the black one

Or like a super soft krill plush that's like a squishmallow type soft

[lavish matrix]

Light blue would be so nice /it's off season topic 😭

[vale temple]

I was adding to above haha because we were talking about iaps and how to make less but it could have trailed too far

[calm spoke]

I think it so

[calm spoke]

I feel like this is the "Iaps Season" because not even ONE of these characters have a full outfit in mannequins

[harsh torrent]

I don't see how it's a collab, TGC is making it and it's based on sky characters. Maybe "collab" is a mistranslation

[lavish matrix]

Yeah it could be, or it's referring a collab to the animation studio but still, two ember is tgc's own property regardless

[upper drift]

sorry i was cooking 😭 but i agree honestly, it's crazy

[pseudo cedar]

Honestly this season is probably gonna be the worst collab season (in terms of price) look at all those iaps...

[lavish matrix]

we haven't seen the prices yet. I personally think Aurora iaps are very expensive tbh

i remember at the start of aurora, there were like 3 but then over time as concert approached we got double whammy with the new iaps towards the end of the season 😭

[dawn heart]

The game discriminates against the poor and children who are controlled by the economy. Ironically it is 4+ game.

[lavish matrix]

There was an explanation in the pinned that hopefully enlighten you. Essentially this game as a whole is free to play but they need revenue in order to keep the game running

#beta-season-test-chat message

[dawn heart]

What is the cost that requires most players to buy these IAPS to stay afloat?

[lavish matrix]

the cost of many things: server management, technology upgrades, paying the devs well and stuff (even including covering insurances for the US based devs)

Especially with how things technology related had been inflating in terms of cost over there in the US

• licensing fee for collabs

[dawn heart]

If the game can only rely on IAP to support revenue I advise TGC to change the game to pay by the time

[rustic zodiac]

Just discovered that no set can be completed without buying additional iaps (excluding the pass ofc). Im usually fine with iaps but this is just insulting to players

[buoyant heart]

IAPs have never been required to enjoy Sky; yes, it's nice to have them for dressing up or enjoying special features, but you can enjoy 90% of what Sky has to offer without spending a single cent.

[lavish matrix]

Then the game won't be free to play in the first place and no one will be happy with it

[dawn heart]

It's much fairer than changing the season tree to a magic tree

[lavish matrix]

it is, however if one set is in a pack, and players only want one thing it would be a waste of money so I think tgc is trying to balance things out

[solar lark]

That's even worse, that only makes your issue of the game 'discriminating' against the poor worse

So rather than being able to skip a $10 iap because you don't want it or can't afford it, you'll HAVE to pay $10 just to play the game

[lavish matrix]

Like the style iap pack is so sad if I only interest one thing (like krill tie), I would have to buy the whole thing its just not ideal

[dawn heart]

Isn't there discrimination in the game now? Is it fair to raise the IAP price issue and get a rebuttal?

[hushed charm]

IAP prices were never raised

[lavish matrix]

The prices hasn't been increasing for each item category (special exception to collab capes looks at aurora)

[solar lark]

Your idea of a game subscription makes that issue even worse

[rustic zodiac]

I understand, but at the same time if I want the complete snufkin set i gotta buy the season pass and 2 extra sets of iaps. There's so many items that could just be part of the season.
The aurora and LP iaps made sense because the lp iaps were tied to the Prince himself, and the aurora iaps were outfits from songs that aren't in the concert. The moomin iaps just look like pass items that were yoinked from the spirit trees and sold as separate iaps

[dawn heart]

There's only Aurora in the whole game right?

If you look at the previous seasons, you will see a lot of changes.This has nothing to do with Aurora.

[lavish matrix]

yeahh I think it's due to moomin's ip decisions, or that it features more characters than before (like LP focused on the prince, Aurora being Aurora)

Also not to mention moomin is pretty protective of the IP

[rustic zodiac]

NCD was a whole other thing of worms but it only had 2 iaps, this Is like ncd but multiplied tenfold

[hushed charm]

LP isnt a good example either tbh, there was little to no items related to the prince itself and you still needed to buy the iaps if you wanted to dress fully like the prince

[lavish matrix]

It only had 2 iaps because literally the only copyrighted thing is the deer design alone. The characters and the whole story of the deer isn't from any intellectual property, its just Buddhist Jataka (folk lore)

[rustic zodiac]

I'd be much less angry at tgc if they didn't pick out a piece from each set to make into an iap, making it impossible to finish a character set even with the SP

[lavish matrix]

you can feedback regardless on how you feel ^^

[dawn heart]

What a good TGC guard^^

[lavish matrix]

I'm just stating facts please

[dawn heart]

Who doesn't plz

[cloud ocean]

Grey is bringing up fair points. I know it’s frustrating from a customer perspective (I’m a little bit disappointed as well), but it’s not fair to dismiss what Grey is saying by calling them a “TGC guard”

[rustic zodiac]

True, I often get called a "tgc white knight" for reminding people that tgc is an actual company with people to pay and servers to run

[lavish matrix]

Copyrights is honestly double edged blade, it gives protection to one's intellectual property but it gives hefty prices for anyone else who wants to use it for profit

[dawn heart]

Thank you for your contribution to the game company, so players should pay again and again for your justice

[solar lark]

You're literally the one suggesting us to pay more with a subscription

[cloud ocean]

I mean, we’re not the ones coming in to the discussion in bad faith

[lavish matrix]

Yeah I don't feel your suggestion is fair for "justice" you believed in

[stuck parcel]

@dawn heart everyone will have different points of view on how TGC does IAPs/makes money in the game. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re mindlessly accepting what the studio says

(Just like how disliking the way the game is monetized doesn’t mean you’re automatically repeating someone else’s complaint)

[dawn heart]

What you said is different from what happened on this channel

[dawn heart]

I suggest you check the records to see why I said that.

[lavish matrix]

What records

[solar lark]

None of us like the amount of iaps and how expensive they are. We've been here longer than you trying to fight for change for years, we've been giving criticism and feedback on many things that you get to enjoy now

[dawn heart]

What did I enjoy?

[solar lark]

You said the iaps are expensive and we pay too much, so you suggest a subscription that doesn nothing but make us pay even more?

[lavish matrix]

This game offers more than iaps, like new events, seasonal areas and gameplay additions

[cloud ocean]

Even now, a lot of people have already been discussing the current situation with IAPs. TGC is aware of it, and people have actively been sending feedback about it.

[dawn heart]

So you misunderstand.

[cloud ocean]

What you want is every item to be available for every player after a one-time fee (or over-time fee?) and that is not feasible for the type of game that Sky is

[solar lark]

No I don't think you understand how subscriptions work. They'd work monthly like most other games, let's put it at $10 and that's fairly cheap compared to others. That's $120 to play the game in a year, when most people barely spend any

[dawn heart]

If I really thought that, I wouldn't talk like that. I'm just complaining that the price is a burden, and you think I want to raise the price.

You can't deny that Moomin's tree has more magic than items, and that's never happened before.

[cloud ocean]

Uh… it actually is pretty balanced in terms of spells and items

[hushed charm]

Magic?

[solar lark]

Aurora has the same amount of iaps, assuming that the current iaps will stay that way

[dawn heart]

How many Auroras do we need?

[spiral needle]

feed me peas and feed me peas

[cloud ocean]

I think they mean magic = spells

[solar lark]

idk but that's for the Moomin IP holders to decided, it's their property, not TGC's

[cloud ocean]

Depending on how many collabs TGC wants, and how the IP holders for said collabs decide to handle items in the game

[solar lark]

We all agree the prices suck, we all agree the amount of iaps suck. But TGC does not have the final say in a collab, they don't own Moomin

[hushed charm]

And again the season area/content/quests looks crazy good, the money is certainly going somewhere

[cloud ocean]

If it weren’t for the IAPs that came before, we wouldn’t have Aurora. If it weren’t for Aurora IAPs, we wouldn’t have Moomin be this good. The devs are actively putting money back into the game to make experiences.

[spiral needle]

look at it go, look at me dance over the Sky like a krill

[solar lark]

We're not telling you to deal with it, we're trying to let you understand why TGC may not be able to change the prices and amount of iaps for this season

[dawn heart]

Is the experience of TGC working with other IP not enough for them to properly set up the items on the tree?

[rustic zodiac]

The 6 paragraphs of beta feedback have been sent, i hope tgc does something about this

[solar lark]

That's not how collabs work, there's a contract between TGC and the IP and they have to follow that. Some IPs are more generous than other, some aren't

[cloud ocean]

*coughs in cinnamonroll*

[hushed charm]

The item on the trees have to come back eventhally so im sure it must be very hard to get IP stuff in there

[rustic zodiac]

Oh lord that was horrible

[dawn heart]

I don't think TGC should have fewer items on the tree to keep the amount of IAP trees

[stuck parcel]

I imagine collabs as like, what if there were two entirely different beta communities TGC was working with, and each one had different ideas about what the season/event/game should look like?

[cedar helm]

I don't have an Android update but it shows there is an update

[cloud ocean]

But they do have the usual number of items on the season trees… (it’s just, yknow.the ones players don’t want as much…)

[lavish matrix]

yeahh the amount of seasonal items are still well within average

[dawn heart]

Maybe the two communities have friends in common? Then they can exchange information.

[rustic zodiac]

Ngl, aurora spirit items were fire while most IAPs were mid, season of aurora W (not counting the wings ofc)

[lavish matrix]

voice of aurora....i wish I have that one

[dawn heart]

Why wouldn' them want it? Do they prefer to trade a seasonal candle for a time-limited spell rather than a permanent item?I don't understand.

[lavish matrix]

The spells aren't increasing, the number of seasonal items is still the increasing

[cloud ocean]

I mean that people don’t want the items offered by the season trees as much as the IAP packs ones

[hushed charm]

Wait so thats what you mean by magic? The seasonal passes has been following the spell - item - item - spell or vice versa for a while now 😭

[rustic zodiac]

Spells are decreasing actually, LP and AURORA had free spells for the iaps, ncd and moomin do not

[stuck parcel]

It’s too early to say if Moomin will or won’t have free spells, it hasn’t gone live yet

[dawn heart]

Then why are the emotions, the movements, the voices gone?

[hushed charm]

I think they are talking about the spells from the pass, otherwise im just nit understanding

[cloud ocean]

They are talking about spells from the pass, yes

[rustic zodiac]

I miss seasonal spirits so much. I want emotes back

[hushed charm]

See now we are on track

[rustic zodiac]

They fixed it with NCD and went right back to mannequins the season after ToT

[solar lark]

We all want emotes back, but that doesn't have anything to do with iaps or items

[cloud ocean]

Three seasons of mannequins in a row is crazy

[rustic zodiac]

Since ncd was the last season we got an emote, it means when moomin is done we will have done a whole year without new spirits

[lavish matrix]

It's not a fix, it's more like whether a season suits with the spirits better or with the mannequins

(I do miss spirits too, but I understand how seasons work like Duets works the best with just 2 spirits etc)

[cloud ocean]

We got… uh. The duo bow at the top of the friendship tree…

[dawn heart]

sooooo looooong treeeee

[rustic zodiac]

Who. Buys that. It's like 150+ candle to reach it. I got it with like 2 ppl

[hushed charm]

So to answer the question, this season has a lot of spells because it has a lot of items, 18 spells for 18 items

[lavish matrix]

Yeahh xD it's a friendship emote

I'm glad that moomin has the normal emote which is accessible

[dawn heart]

Why not replace a few of these spells with emotional actions or sounds?

[hushed charm]

Because thats not how it works is the simple answer

[rustic zodiac]

I was so hyped when moomin season was announced, even tho I never watched it I really liked the idea. Now I'm just underwhelmed

[stuck parcel]

That’s a fair question, honestly

[lavish matrix]

Tgc probably focuses more on the season and questline gameplay (see double combo of main quests + void quests, as well as storybook quests)

[stuck parcel]

Maybe because of all the animation and sfx in the extra quests? There are the regular ones, then the ones with the Sky kids, AND then the Moomin cutscene quests

[cloud ocean]

Well. There’s no, like, spirits…
Why are there no spirits? Because the spirits would probably be Moomin characters, which cannot be permanently in the game because of copyright

[dawn heart]

I can only think that their motion capture equipment is broken🤣otherwise why cancel this important part of the social game

[hushed charm]

And also the spells arent replacing anything still, even in season with emotes the amount is pretty much on par with the amount of items on the pass

[stuck parcel]

Nah, I think it’s just that, even if they’ve grown, the team is still relatively small and can’t do all of that at once.

[rustic zodiac]

True, while the LP spirits were vague caricatures and the aurora spirits were imaginary characters based on the songs. The deer was in the game for a while but had to be reverted back when the season was over.

[cloud ocean]

(I guess the mannequin discussion has replaced the “too many emotes” discussion huh)

[lavish matrix]

Tgc doesn't use motion capture for animations, they have to animate themselves

[lavish matrix]

What do you mean by the deer? :o

[hushed charm]

Is this for sure? I could swear they had something for it

[cloud ocean]

The deer’s pattern changed after the season ended

[rustic zodiac]

The deer used to look much more like the animated deer during the season, the design was changed to a regular deer once the collab was over and the IP contract was done

[lavish matrix]

I don't think the emotes are motion captured looking at the animation (I'm an animation student)

[rustic zodiac]

They're not motion captured probably (I'm studying to be an animation student lmao)

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! I think they remember aurora behind the scenes but they're just referencing aurora's movements in the videos

[rustic zodiac]

Now I'm imagining aurora in a motion capture suit

[solar lark]

They very much don't look anything like motion capture (I'm a long time gamer)

[cloud ocean]

The models of sky kids are also quite simple to require something like motion capture xD

[lavish matrix]

If they're motion captured I doubt human proportions would fit the skykids

It would end up too uncanny or janky

[rustic zodiac]

I need the motion capture source of when I use the praire elevator and my legs bend over my torso at a 180 degree angle

[dawn heart]

Since there is no motion capture, it should be easier to make new

[hushed charm]

I think that would be quite the opposite

[lavish matrix]

it IS not easier to animate something from scratch compared to mocap

Mocap has disadvantages too, the equipments are too expensive for tgc

[dawn heart]

I imagined omg🤣

[rustic zodiac]

It's harder, animating manually is way harder than doing motion capture

[lavish matrix]

Mocap removes/adds any exaggeration, it would make skykids behave way too human which would be uncanny

[dawn heart]

But they've done a lot of moves, and it shouldn't be difficult for them.

So idk why

[lavish matrix]

true but time and resources matter too. Creating new sets of movement is as hard

[torpid light]

Hi. Sky says that there's a new version available but there's no update in google play...anyone have same problem as mine?

[rustic zodiac]

Unrelated, but the moomin umbrella will be my first umbrella, since I'm a passage moth

[cedar helm]

Yes me

[lavish matrix]

Android beta update isn't available yet xD

[dawn heart]

When I started the game, it showed me downloading the new version and I finished the update without opening the Google Store.

[torpid light]

Ooooo hehe thanks god

[modern spruce]

We know Grey...

[lavish matrix]

It's ok...I'm permanently in android jail (I do not have beta)

[ancient saddle]

Dang got excited for a sec seeing an update available, but I just forgot to update the previous build

[lavish matrix]

Good ol android, being slow turtle 😭

[ancient saddle]

That wheel just keeps spinning... lol

[hazy venture]

Anyone know what flavour text is

[cloud ocean]

Flavor text is descriptive text for IAPs (For example “The warm embrace of unconditional love” from moominmamma’s masterpiece)

[ripe scaffold]

Hello! I'm here now.Is this the right beta channel?

I heard you can get beta app updates here!

[prisma agate]

hi, yes this is where we discuss the current season thats being tested in beta if you want to discuss events or beta in general, you can go to #beta-discussion

[ripe scaffold]

Oh sorry, thanks for letting me know!

[tight atlas]

My oh my TGC is there any cosmetics that aren’t an IAP for Moomin and mischief?

[lavish matrix]

Yes there are, don't worry. Every season even collabs have cosmetics that are f2p

[ebon iris]

dude foreal. i always find that TGC release photos of the upcoming items as IGC and if everyone loves it, they turn it into an IAP. it's so annoying. im sick of them using the excuse of 'that's how we keep the game running' because if TGC priced each IAP reasonably, more players would buy said items which would lead to more money in the long run..

[lavish matrix]

Regarding the iaps and the prices and on why they can't do regionalised prices, please read the pins

#beta-season-test-chat message

#beta-season-test-chat message

[ebon iris]

i read the pins before sending that message. i quite literally referenced the pinned message in my own message.

[gentle moat]

so far it seems they’ve locked half of the outfits behind IAPs, meaning people aren’t getting full outfits at all if they don’t have money to spend??

i wouldn’t mind a set being an IAP as the aim to earn money would feel more fair, and i would feel i could still earn sets and outfits for my fav spirits , then there wouldn’t necessarily have to be LESS iaps so much as less crazily selected ones ykwim?

[ebon iris]

im not talking about seasonal passes or anything like that. the seasonal passes are actually at a very respectable price for the things you receive during the season. im more talking about days events like mischief, moonlight, love etc. i am NOT paying £25 for a cape bruh

[gentle moat]

this i agree with too i was also not necessarily responding to your message so much as bridging it to my own thoughts
i just realised i accidentally replied to it

[gentle moat]

the fact in the uk that is as much money as an IRL OUTFIT💔

[ebon iris]

ouhh don't worry! i always like to hear what other people are thinking about this stuff, even if their opinions differ to my own! that's what the community is for!

[ebon iris]

EXACTLY BRUH i could get a whole outfit from primark for less😭

[gentle moat]

i really hoping the final prices there’s at least one full outfit i can get without spending money on anything other than season pass

[ionic pendant]

Too bad Little My doesn't have a full outfit (pants and shoes I was thinking at least) but I already sent feedback about wanting that before. ^_^;

[lavish matrix]

little gremlin's outfit would be nice too

[ionic pendant]

I was hoping for Too-Ticky's funny little hat too, oh well I guess. ^_^;

[robust ginkgo]

incoming vent

i’m so scared it’s going to be all IAP’s, i’m a fairly new player and joined because the moomins are my special interest. i have been collecting candles everyday to prepare but recently used them for shattering spirits. I don’t know how to explain how much i need to collect the cosmetics and it feels silly that I’m this upset but the moomin novels, comics tv adaptations etc. have made such a huge impact on my life (they have saved my life honestly and im so greatful for Tove Jansson’s art and story telling)

since playing sky i have fallen in love with the art style and really enjoy exploring on there and meeting people. it has become part of my daily routine and something i look forward to everyday. I thought I’d get a season pass for moomin and that would be okay because it’s worth it to me, but i don’t know what im going to do if there’s multiple IAPs on top of that.

Sorry for the rant

[ebon iris]

i find that the full outfit IAPs are usually catered towards people who'd like to dress in a feminine way. i think all the dresses and stuff are so cool, especially the cultural ones! but i just wish there was more boy-ish pants rather than just prophet pants, jellyfish pants or rhythm pants. there is a decent amount but theyre so repetitive. i need a fire set of masc pants from mischief or a similar event..

[lavish matrix]

The hat is a beret isn't it :o

[ionic pendant]

I think it might count as a beret? It has a little bobble on it too. ^_^

[lavish matrix]

I understand how you feel, however the season gameplay is free and you can meet your favourite characters through the little special storybook quests (not part of the main quests which is based on Ninny), more like extra quests

There are also still seasonal items that represent your favourite characters too

[robust ginkgo]

Thanks, that helps. I’m really looking forward to a virtual moominvalley and seeing the characters and doing quests. I think some of this is just the initial shock after hearing about how many IAPs there will be

[ebon iris]

oh toffle 🥹 this is honestly such a heartwarming rant despite the context. i love hearing about other people's hyperfixations and i think it's so cool that you got into sky bc of the moomins! i know candle running might seem stressful but make sure you don't burn yourself out – remember to have fun with what you're doing and socialize with people as you go along your runs ^^ it makes them that much better. there's also chats to hire an uber if you're busy but still want candles or you could ask friends? there's probably a lot of people out there who want to help you ^^

as much as it's what a lot of people talk and complain about, IAPs aren't the whole game. yeah there may be some cool stuff but you'll still manage to look epic with IGC cosmetics!! once again, im so sorry to hear this is stressing you out a lot 🥹

[lavish matrix]

Yeah I understand the initial shock, that's why we test things before we see what are iaps or not in order experience the gameplay quests. So far I believe the quests are good! (Especially the void quests, that's really....different and emotional)

[ionic pendant]

Collabs tend to be this way with the iaps, some of it being required by the ip I think. My Moomin wallet that a friend gave me for my birthday trembles in fear but I'm sure I'll give in to all of them before the season ends. ^_^;; 💸

[ebon iris]

yeah bro the little prince green cape being £24.99 had me in shambles

£24.99 but it only teleports you to a place u get bored in after 30 seconds

[lavish matrix]

to me I think it's an interesting place, like not something we can access normally
Same goes to Aurora concert and having a presence of a deer in the area gives a different experience that's unique to you and your friends you brought along

[robust ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/snusmumriken-snufkin-relax-chill-rest-gif-27295865

[lavish matrix]

I can guess the other iaps are priced as normally as other iaps, but Ninny's cape might be a bit more expensive I feel it might be the one with the function

(Just a speculation)

[ionic pendant]

Aurora concert coliseum also has a bunch of IAP props placed around that you can play with at no extra cost. ^_^

[robust ginkgo]

thank you 🙂 I’ve met some lovely people on sky and play with my sister almost everyday (she lives far so it’s a really nice way to spend time together) i also love hearing people talk about their interests

[ionic pendant]

Marshmallow sticks and tea sets and swing sets. I've gone there in between concerts just to enjoy those before. ^_^

[lavish matrix]

Is there voice of aurora in the Concert coliseum

[ionic pendant]

Ah, no sadly, I should cough up the ascended candles for the instrument stand so I can share mine.

[lavish matrix]

Aw xD

[ionic pendant]

Androot!! Android doot available!

[lavish matrix]

Off topic but one thing: you can get snufkin's harmonica in a seasonal tree and play a cover of his little tune there

[robust ginkgo]

that’s awesome! I can’t wait for that, maybe i’ll finally master playing instruments on sky!!

[lavish matrix]

Yes!!! Playing instruments in sky is quite fun :D

[solar lark]

Also bear in mind that tgc doesn't get 100% of the money. There's 5-10% for appstore fees, and a large chunk goes to the IP holder. So TGC probably gets at most 50%, likely less

[pseudo cedar]

Tgc casually adding in like 5 different iaps after also having a concert with a song called "you cannot eat money"

[solar lark]

casually missing the point of the song being about environmental destruction

[cloud ocean]

You know… it strange that the ninny cape doesn’t have the feature yet 🤔 assuming it will have one. The previous collabs seemed to have the feature (just locked behind a “advance the story first”)… I really hope the feature is not the ability of teleporting to the season area as a sky kid 😅

[little locust]

Why do we have to explore the season area as a Butterfly 💀🦋? I hope we explore as a Sky Kid

[lavish matrix]

we don't know yet plus 9cd cape didn't have a feature in the first half of the season, until on 5th quest we can activate the feature

We might find out in 27.5

[lavish matrix]

The song's title is actually The Seed xD so they missed the point entirely

[lavish matrix]

The same season the concert was in (AURORA) had like 6 iaps (+1 for encore)

[light tartan]

Wow, the discussion here is quite wholesome, I actually expected more rage /hj

[lavish matrix]

It's better to have a productive discussion rather than blind rage

[light tartan]

Yes, that aside, I hope there will be some change to the current iaps situation, even though I already made my mind to become f2p player next season

[ionic pendant]

Hmm, the item name is Moominmama's masterpiece now... That could very well still be Ninny's cape since she made it but she also knows how to paint pretty well (just saw an episode where she paints pretty flowers all over a wall)... It would be funny if it actually turned out to be the big family photo now.

[lavish matrix]

That's indeed Ninny's cape

[zealous charm]

I feel like the painting will be the IGC item in guide tree this season, would be a pretty nice final thing to buy as memorabilia

[lavish matrix]

Yesss it's honestly so sweet

[cursive yarrow]

yall…. the moomin IAPs are so, so disappointing. they feel so predatory, and more than that, it feels like just another bad decision in a line of decisions that is making it harder and harder to defend TGC’s actions as a company.

as a veteran of almost 4 years, i barely buy IAPs anymore because they are so expensive and on top of that, candle costs are absolutely insane. i know deep down that capitalism is inevitably going to be the ruin of this game that i love so much. and its extremely sad to see it happening. i wish tgc would listen to us about the economy of sky, but i feel more and more like it doesn’t really matter what i say…. any hype i had for this season is basically gone. sending feedback feels useless, even though i have sent it, constantly.

idk. i can’t think about it for too long because it makes me deeply upset tbh. i don’t mean to drag negativity into the chat i just. needed to express how im feeling.

it makes me feel hopeless. this game is supposed to be about compassion and friendship, not endless purchases.

[lavish matrix]

I will say, there's still strong element of kindness and compassion in my experience with this game so I don't feel pressured to buy the iaps. They just exist that's all to me. If I want the items I'd buy but if I don't fancy or afford I'm fine with skipping them. Ultimately I enjoy the game for not just the iaps, for what the game offers in many different aspects. I enjoy the artistic sceneries, storytelling and the spirits from the seasons and events, as well as spending time with friends (playing music had been a major part because its the most accessible music I could have ever had, as a hard of hearing person)

[solemn thistle]

( honestly it feels so sad to have just started playing the game and feeling like one missed anything interesting cause everything is IAP now, ykwim? like, i saw so many things that i thought looked so pretty and that was a big part of me downloading the game, but it feels like i missed the era of the game where i couldve had any of it ) ( its not rlly abt the pressure to have them for when other players see me, its more sadness that i joined for smth thats slowly becoming completely unatainable )

[lavish matrix]

Thats me with voice of aurora tbh but still it's nice that people can share the instrument now with the new instrument stand so I don't feel a huge loss anymore

It's also due to the huge culture where skykids tend to flaunt iaps and "gatekeeping" them which is pretty yucky

[solemn thistle]

( ofc i know that cosmetics arent the only point of the game, its beautiful and i love playing it, i just end up feeling so salty when every single new thing is a purchase )

[lavish matrix]

Though not really every single new thing, it's pretty much guaranteed to have igc or free items alongside iaps

Like it's much better than in 2019-20 where events are just iaps

[solemn thistle]

( esp when its completely new to the game, like the broom which doesnt have any igc counterpart )

[lavish matrix]

Someday...I hope there'll be an igc counterpart (also isn't it season chat xD)

[solemn thistle]

( atleast for the moomin season i didnt see anything except the puffy pants outfit not be IAP ) ( it was really upsetting tbh, for some things i get it but to make EVERY moomin themed item paid except for a mildly moomin shaped pair of pants? )

[cyan pivot]

I understood the umbrella and the plushie being iap, i expected snufkin's tent and maybe cape to be iap (which apparently arent??) and some hattifattener stuff but EVERYTHING???

[lavish matrix]

Wdym by everything

[opaque vine]

Subscription on a game will make a very very huge wall to players.. imagine you're a f2p since day 1,, then 1 day out of nowhere you'll need to pay for you to be able to play the game you enjoy for a very very long time.... just think about it. 😉

[cyan pivot]

Moomin ears and tail are paid, snufkins clothes and hat are paid, thats the two main charachters items people would want already behind a paywall

[solemn thistle]

( anyhow excuse me, its just really been bothering me ToT ) ( im a new player and im just genuinely getting overwhelmed by how many things are walled off by payments )

[cyan pivot]

Whats left for those who dont pay, pufft white overalls and hattifattener wings?

[lavish matrix]

To be fair honestly it's up to moomin IP to decide whether they are pay walled thats an unfortunate thing. They can't put everything to limited igc either or it would be too many candles down in drain / very unrelated to Ninny storyline

Not to mention, they can't put the obvious moomin character items into seasonal trees when you consider that the season pass items will return as TS years after the season, which is way beyond the license agreement

Also we still have some snufkin, little my, too ticky and Ninny items on the trees too

[orchid knot]

why are you upset about focaccia pants and extra hands for clapping

I love them so much they're so silly and it's nice they're appearing in the season trees

[lavish matrix]

Same!! And oh the flower crown too, its my favourite

[cyan pivot]

Is that really the case?/gen

[solemn thistle]

( im not trying to come off as angry abt it, im just getting frustrated by how many things theyre doing it to, it feels like eventually nothing will be available to players who cants afford it OTL ) ( kinda just came here to complain to ppl who would get it )

[ember hull]

Bread pants?

[lavish matrix]

That's how collab works, the intellectual property protection makes it that another party can't use their property outside the licensing time frame

[cyan pivot]

Me too, im just upset theyre the only ones

[solar lark]

Tgc doesn't own moomin so they don't get the final say

[molten ore]

Removing ninny’s dress is just bad idea. 👎🏼

[orchid knot]

Omg yes !! Purr, when you move around and sit down they fold over like deflated dough and it's beautiful, like poking focaccia dough

[cyan pivot]

I meant deciding whats paid

[lavish matrix]

Ninny dress? Never heard of that

[full storm]

If you have money, buy it. If you don't have money ... I don't know if you don't have money. I don't have money anyway.😭😭😭

[molten ore]

It should have been dress not cape. In season of moomin.

[lavish matrix]

Yeah it's the IP who has the final say, not tgc for collabs, that's in the agreement

[molten ore]

Her in pants. That was originally the plan. But, now they have an IAP cape 😞

[cyan pivot]

I wasnt aware :o still awful though, geez

[lavish matrix]

Wdym we have never had anything like that in beta since the beginning of testing

[orchid knot]

IP holders will always have the most say in where their intellectual property should stand in a collaboration, they hold the rights to it and they will have specific requirements - it's different per collaboration of course, but we can assume decisions on IAPs for collabs to have been not only TGC but Moomin owners too

[cyan pivot]

Understandable, thank you

[spiral needle]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @molten ore

[orchid knot]

I wonder if the Jansson family play sky

[lavish matrix]

That would be sweet xD

Still can't get over the massive glow up the initial season area had

[molten ore]

Someone in shorts showed it. On youtube. 😞 when I mentioned their channel name, I got bot saying mentioning hac kers aint allowed. So m wondering they’re ha. Ker

[lavish matrix]

If bots says so then they're illegitimate, we can't take information outside official statements

[solar lark]

I know who you're talking about, they're a hacker. Do not trust ANY content they put out

They've been spreading false info for years

[molten ore]

Hmmm

[lavish matrix]

About the invisibility as mask feature, sago had mentioned that the devs had actually considered it, but this will cause problems due to the fact that the pants include skykid's unique body models so it's not feasible

[orchid knot]

Omg skybot has a trigger for a specific forbidden friend I have absolutely no idea who it is but I'm glad it's so clear if you come to talk about seeing their stuff you'll find they're a hacker, good for tgc taking a stand!

[lavish matrix]

#beta-discussion message

Here's where they talked about it

[solar lark]

Was added ages ago cause people kept bringing them up

[lavish matrix]

Whew I'm grateful for that filter 😭

[molten ore]

Hmmm. I see, in that case may be just have another dress as the dress becomes visible with the child so like let the visible kid have the visible dress 🥲 I guess I just wanted the dress badly because I’m moomin fan and watched it since childhood.

[lavish matrix]

We can hope that we'll get her dress somewhere in second half of the season maybe as limited time igc (gotta feedback that too)

[molten ore]

I did, I’ve given feedback. I hope more people give that feedback though. They would ignore one feedback 😅

[lavish matrix]

I doubt they would ignore just one, they read all and consider every one of them

[solar lark]

You do have them to thank for deep honk server merge

[molten ore]

Ooh, I didn’t know. Thought many go unnoticed since there mist be so many. If that’s the case I do hope it gets consideration.

[lavish matrix]

I hope so! The team does take one unique feedback to reality in some cases iirc

[orchid knot]

Omg I lived by that religiously

[hushed charm]

Dont know who it is but i already hate them

[solar lark]

If you deep honk you can get a beta invite

[lavish matrix]

Damn I wish

[lavish matrix]

My friend is still convinced by that how do I unconvince them

[solar lark]

Deep bonk them

[hushed charm]

It gets bonus points for decieving because when you merge everyone sees the new players doing their last action, so you see em doing deep honk and you go "oh it works"

[solar lark]

I can make the traffic light go green by shouting go ...... repeatedly for several minutes

Also if you're curious who it was you can hit me up in dms

[hushed charm]

I live with enough people rent free on my head thanks

And into the topic, i like the ult being moth pants but invisible, i think it would fit more styles over the actual dress

and i am totally not saying this because i wouldnt wear the dress

And i think TGC goal was to turn the dress into the cape?

[lavish matrix]

Yeah I think they're aiming for gender neutral look for the invisibile pants

I wouldn't mind either options but having the invisible skin is quite cool

[opaque vine]

Imagine wearing the invisible pants, krill wont be able to see you..that would be fun

[untold junco]

Indeed but that would make it p2w

[lavish matrix]

krills probably sense skykids by heat traces like snakes do

[slender goblet]

Do we have the prices yet for when Mischief comes back?

Thank you.

[acoustic flame]

I’m begging TGC to please rethink this.
I was so prepared to buy season pass for moomin, but now seeing that the outfits aren’t completable without buying season pass AND IAP.

This makes me reconsider if I even want to participate in this season. I love moomin and I love all the new cosmetics, but having to buy IAP on top of season pass is just too damn greedy. Please don’t do this 😦

[rich silo]

The decision does not lie solely with TGC for IAP placement
It's also the IP holder's choice for what can be distributed and they have to respect that

[late magnet]

omg, TGC!!! Snufkin items should be from the same iap pack and not each item in a separate pack...

[hushed charm]

I dont see it being separated being bad, i personally plan to get only the hat

[lofty spade]

And probably they need to re-negociate with the liscence holders too for that

[rich silo]

if you want all the items then just buy both packs really

[inland bronze]

My problem are not the Iap,
but ultimate gift :
the invisible outfit looking just exactly as the first base outfit from constellation 😿

[rich silo]

and the skin tone matches every single realm in the game for environment

[celest idol]

the beta is really destined to change.
but that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want without asking the players' opinion We, the players, are the ones who keep this game running and it is more than clear that the entire company that generates Sky does not give a damn about the opinion of its players.
Besides, you observe which items are favored by players and make those same items as paid IAP and leave only the bad items as free items.
Just like they sell bundled items, they put a specific item and put candles together so that the package is more expensive for us to buy
as well as the value of the packages themselves are extremely expensive for no reason at all .
just like the tgc placed several items from the moomin season as iap and they are precisely the items that several players liked.
tgc is just after their players' money
and doesn't really care about the game itself when it has several failures, mainly on the server.
but when it's a bug that affects a paid item it's resolved within hours
A bug that doesn't generate any income (money) takes days or even weeks to fix.

[tulip veldt]

i like invisible kid being moth outfit cuz you can be a double take moth 🙂

[hushed charm]

Yeah but still i dont even think there would be a difference if they did, like the Moon event we having right now, the pants + hair costs 15$, there was no discount is just standard tgc pricing

[lofty spade]

But in the case of the liscence and only for the liscence, they need to do what the IP holders want, they can't do nothing without asking the permision of the holders, if it was easy, i would understand you point of view

[lofty spade]

I only said this to the moomin items, and for only the moomin items and other collab items too, but the other items i understand the other part that its from the non-liscence items, and the price being too high even for other countries

[celest idol]

really in a season there is no way to escape that
But what does that tell me about an event?
especially an event full of paid items like halloween is?
Do you think what TGC has been doing lately is fair?
It's not new that she looks down on low-income players
giving bad, useless and mostly ugly items

[lofty spade]

I said that they cannot do nothing to the liscence items, i din't say that i agree with the non-liscene items, i only said that in case of a liscence items, they can do nothing unless they ask permision to the holders, the other non-liscence items its a other history and its more understandable

[orchid knot]

Please don't coldping devs, if you'd like for them to see your thoughts definitely head over to #beta-feedback but Sagomay isn't in the chat right now.

As for making all the "bad items" igc, that's a matter of opinion, personally I enjoy all the items from the season, I'm sure others do too. If you don't like what you see so far that's completely fair, you're allowed to dislike things.

As for bugs, it's not as simple as the fix paid items first and other things go ignored - sometimes paid items may have more of a priority of course and that's due to the fact players are spending irl money for an item, having it in working condition is therefore important. But other bugs such as the server issues aren't always an easy fix, that doesn't mean they ignore them, they were actively trying to resolve the last server issue and it's unfortunate that it impacted gameplay the way it did

[night scarab]

When they don't make excuses, they move on to someone else and nothing changes.

[celest idol]

send my opinion directly to tgc hmm
yes I do that but what changes?
Once you send this type of opinion, it never gets a response or improvement.
It's better to send it to a channel where several people with different opinions and thoughts are together.
then it will be possible to see what this type of opinion can generate in the game with more people thinking about

[orchid knot]

Sure we can have discussions about it like we are, you're very welcome to but you responded directly to a dev so I assumed you wanted them to see your thoughts specifically and unfortunately in chats that can get busy like this it's easy to miss all of what's being said

I personally don't think that feedback is useless, I know through the frustration it can feel like shouting into the void, but there have been numerous changes to sky that have been a result of player feedback

[spiral needle]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[celest idol]

yes i really sent that message targeting the tgc agent
since it is rare to be able to speak to one of them directly
I took the opportunity to talk about what I think, both to the agent and so that everyone here also knows my complaint.

[orchid knot]

Unfortunately they're not active in the channel currently though so you may not get a response and it's typically discouraged to ping so late as a reply

[analog silo]

When a message was sent several hours ago, chances are it likely won’t be seen is all because this is a discussion channel and that conversation has passed. And it can be rude to ping someone after that long, including developers, so we ask members to refrain from that in general.

TGC community staff can often be seen in the beta channels though and are more than happy to chat about what they’re able to share, just remember they may not always be in the position to answer all our questions. If you want your message to be seen and considered by all of staff at any time, sending it in feedback is the best way even if you may not get a personal response.

Now if you just want to chat with other players, anything related to the season in beta is allowed here and other beta topics in #beta-discussion like others mentioned

[plain owl]

Does anybody can get seasonal IAP or it is not available now or it will not available never?

[rich silo]

? I see them all in the shop menu

[plain owl]

I tapped and didnt get anything

[rich silo]

because you already owned them when they cost 1 sc each

[plain owl]

Oh, but still i am missing some stuff. I dont have invisible mask, it's invisible in my wardrobe 😄

[rich silo]

there's no invisible mask with the season? if it's regular no mask that's just a basegame item you get from proud victor in valley constellation

[analog silo]

The current IAPs are Moominmamma's
Masterpiece, Moomintroll Plush, Hattifattener Shoulder Buddy, Moomintroll Accessory Buddy Set, Roving Snufkin Robe Set and Pointed Snufkin Hat

Source is me not having been active in Beta until the latest build and that’s what I see at the shop

[rich silo]

aka:

• ninny's dress cape
• moomin plush
• moomin tail + ears
• Hattifattener shoulder bros
• snufkin hat
• snufkin scarf + pants

[snow loom]

am i going insane or is snuf's scarf orange in beta? I swear his scarf was always yellow in the shows but his scarf is orange 😭

[rich silo]

it is orange yeah
the same colour as the remembrance scarf I think? from pleading child

[orchid knot]

speaking of pleading child, their shoes go so nice with Snufkin cape

[rich silo]

I'd imagine the chuckling scout boots to pair super well also

[snow loom]

i felt like i was goin insane 😭 a friend kept telling me his scarf was always orange

[lofty spade]

Its not full orange than the pleading child's scarf, but its a little bit orange

[open sparrow]

I can't even begin to describe how much I love seeing full beautiful trees and foliage within Sky, it adds so much to our environmental immersion

[jaunty meadow]

I love how this place is now

[open sparrow]

Me too, it's so gorgeous! I can already picture a bunch of skykids reading or taking a nap under the trees

[limber nacelle]

I really hope we get more emotes. I like the reading one, but at the same time, I'm not into reading, but that's just me. It does look nice though.

[lavish matrix]

I love the revamped seasonal area, it shows the lighthouse in the distance, which clearly conveys the "goal" and the questlines going towards it. I see it in the 4th void quest, the lighthouse can be seen in the end so I think that's where Ninny's light she's looking for is located

[orchid knot]

I was trying to think of different emotes they could add aside from previously suggested watering can, and all my brain can think is frying pan imagine mid candle run and you whip out a wok

[tulip veldt]

you pull out a frying pan and do a little pancake flip

[lavish matrix]

I wonder if the lighthouse is Ninny's equivalent of the eden mountain? Like "find your light" type thing

[high atlas]

Well lighthouses are used to guide lost ships home. And in a way, Eden does guide sky children towards it, so that's an interesting theory

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! That's why I thought the lighthouse could be the thing that helps lost children find their way

[rich silo]

cooking mama x sky let's gooo

[opaque vine]

You just mentions bugs in the game... the other day i saw a hacker (if you really understand what it is like to manage and maintain a game then you will already get where im gettin at) i did not encounter the player itself but tru shared memory... (already reported them btw) i got mad and had a thought like why even bother play a game if they all do is to cheat/hack i hate those kind of individuals..(now if you still dont what my point is..😭) they're one of the big reason why the game have so many bugs... so if we're getting server error dont go into rage mode coz its not just the company's fault.... don't misunderstand me i myself have some concern about iap items but dont protest, instead i share my thoughts tru tickets and hopefully they reconsider...

[lavish matrix]

Probably not on topic with the season chat but you do have a point. Illegitimate players can potentially cause bugs or server errors intentionally, during season of Shattering there was ddos attack that flooded the servers and caused the game to be down for a few days. It's frustrating and that's why I'm glad that tgc has taken strict actions and changes to shared memory that would hinder them

[spiral needle]

[limber nacelle]

Did anyone actually read the Terms of Service when playing Sky? I feel like I'm the only one who read a bit of it and I just wanted to add that there's a section in the Terms of Service that literally says: "You will not engage in acts of revenge, disparagement or retaliation against us for any feature contained in or modification made to our Games that you dislike. Your sole remedy for that is to stop playing that Game."

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with people complaining about the things that are still subject to change, but this section really tells you that if you don't like the game, your only option is to stop playing it. Now I'm not trying to say that your opinions don't matter, but if you do things like belittle or just protest against TGC, all they're saying is that if you don't enjoy their productions, you're not forced to keep on playing something you don't enjoy.

[lavish matrix]

Exactly, and honestly i feel it should be a common sense but not everyone knows that nor read that to be frankly xD but that's a sad thing about it, that people don't really look through TOS and instead engage in illegal actions in the game in order to get what they want instead of paying (iaps) which is...really frustrating

[solar lark]

Please bear in mind that 'revenge, disparagement or retaliation' have very specific legal definitions. This is not TGC saying you can not complain or criticise them

[cloud ocean]

“Revenge, disparagement or retaliation” means players finding a way to “get back at TGC” by harming the game experience or the devs

[rich silo]

throwback to shattering launch DDOS attack

[limber nacelle]

Yes, that's true. There are people out there that are doing exactly that. That being such an example.

[opaque vine]

Just about to say that..

[solar lark]

Also yeah, no-one reads TOS. I've never read TOS for anything other than Sky, and that's purely for technical support

[lavish matrix]

yeah that counts too, the ddos attack is mind-boggling

[limber nacelle]

But as far as it goes for complaining, yes I did say I didn't truly know but I do think people are allowed to complain. They have every right to do so, it's just that stuff like what cy said have unfortunately happened.

[opaque vine]

Ahhh those days..

[lavish matrix]

Yeah if I joined sky much earlier I'd be frustrated by the ddos attack which I'm glad I didn't

[sterile harness]

Also worth noting how people have tried to organize campaigns against TGC and while that's not exactly a legal issue, it's still an issue imo

[opaque vine]

True true.. but the problem is they complain at the wrong sections.. 😅😅 and they expect to be heard that way

[sterile harness]

That's true as well, it gets frustrating tbh

[lavish matrix]

It can lead to a bigger legal issue so its still a potentially legal issue

[opaque vine]

Ohh its a remarkable experience.. you just missed it 🤭

[limber nacelle]

Yep. You're right, it's just human nature unfortunately. There's not much that we can do.

[lavish matrix]

Narrowly 😭 I guess i was lucky

[sterile harness]

I joined at the tail end of Shattering, so I missed it by a longshot

[limber nacelle]

Anyways, I haven't been able to test past Moomin quest 2 yet. Wondering if it'll still crash my potato device if I load it up again.

[opaque vine]

Lucky you to have a potato.. mines a charcoal 😂

[limber nacelle]

I plan on getting a big upgrade by the end of this year at least, (thinking about picking up the S24 Ultra.)

[sterile harness]

I have the S24 regular and everything runs well for me

[shell fossil]

As a reminder, if you have 10-20 minutes, please join us in beta for the DoMischief playtest!

[sterile harness]

...Forgot about that

[limber nacelle]

I think I'll join. But I have to take my meds soon, so I hope @sterile harness can lead me (safely) through the Mischief.

[marsh mural]

haiii guys! do we know if the days of mischief cat mask and cape will be available this year?

[golden ore]

S24U enjoyer here btw

[viscid rover]

Question if someone can answer, If the color options come to live can the nesting season furniture change colors too? Or will it only be orange

[rich silo]

I'll answer in #beta-discussion since it's not relevant to moomin season testing

[ancient saddle]

The Moomin Papa side story mentioned in #beta-known-issues is found in the Moomin map or is it part of the side quests unlocked after the story quests?

Bc the 3rd side quest still soft locks for me. Not sure if I need to report or not.

[orchid knot]

The moomin papa story is one of the ones you find in free roam as a butterfly, if you're locked in other quests please bug report as usual

[finite anchor]

yes :')

[topaz mountain]

Are there any shiny boys in this season!

[orchid knot]

Not currently and I don't think there will be personally, but we'll find out soon whenever the season goes live

[old bloom]

I like how this season quests feel unique

Been playing for three years now

Sky sure has come across a long way. Never expected seasons to get this unique. Though I have complaints that they are getting lazy with the season areas now. The only recent good area was the deer season. This season too takes place in the same dark void like bruh what is it? I liked when seasons introduced us to more space to explore like tlp, Abyss.

[orchid knot]

We aren't just getting the void quests though, we have the entire moominvalley, have you had a chance to explore there? It's really beautiful

[lavish matrix]

also the void quests are just emotionally immersive, it's different and unique honestly, if you experience the entire quests you'll understand it better

[ripe scaffold]

Good evening, is this a place where beta questions are OK?

[lavish matrix]

You can ask general beta questions in #beta-discussion or season related questions here

[ripe scaffold]

Thank you!

[lavish matrix]

I'll say, the duets area is perfectly designed for concert hall feel, also the void quests in Duets really allowed us to understand the story much better than being in an area where we would be easily miss the important details. It being in the voids evokes the feeling of being forever trapped in the husk like what Cellist experienced. In my view as an artist, it's creative, because it emphasises the spirits' story very well. We don't exactly need fancy areas in order to understand stories sometimes.

The void quests for moomin aren't exactly empty either way, there's something and I recommend experiencing it first hand

I don't see why I would call it lazy tbh

[old bloom]

Anyways, no ult gifts this season?

Correct me if there are.
Couldn't find anything in the tree so far

[lavish matrix]

There are ult gifts now! Please update beta to the latest build to see everything

[old bloom]

Alright thanks

[tiny lintel]

Does the latest side season quest (black skykid quest) crash your device upon entering or is it just rendering issue?

[orchid knot]

Mixed reviews, I think it has crashed for some, sent others to oob, but I managed to get through it okay, definitely bug report

[limber nacelle]

Dude, I can't even do the third Void quest because the FPS on this device tanks so hard. When I went Home after that, my Sky kid somehow thought they were in Eden with how they were standing.

[orchid knot]

Oh that happened to me in a previous build lol just whooshy pained stand no matter where I ran, did you try again? It went away after the first time but only because I finished the quest, I think if you can't complete it you get stuck like that

[limber nacelle]

I'll try again sometime soon. It's just that it tanks the FPS so hard that I can't move right.

[tiny lintel]

Trees
The fps destroyer

[dapper fog]

Please, When can I get the beta on iOS?

[echo mauve]

When tgc needs more beta testers! Wich is in we never know! But you can get yourself a role in #beta-signup-info to receive a ping when they do open! :)

[dapper fog]

oh thanks you

[safe hemlock]

Have they made the brim of Snufkins hat smaller? Or am i mistaken🤔

[opaque vine]

Lmao someone responded yes.. so what it is yes for smaller or yes for mistaken? 😅😅

[heady slate]

Many people in my country are complaining about whether there is a chance to improve the ultimate gift

Although I have given feedback, I still want to say that there is room for improvement.

[rich silo]

no it hasn't changed at all
I'm comparing the current ingame model to my beta log pictures when I first took them when they were added to the game

[safe hemlock]

For some reason the brim looked like it was not as wide. Happy Days 😁
Thxs Cy for clarifying.

[icy isle]

no map shrines for the moomin seasonal area yet?

[flat cosmos]

A bit sad there’s no Joxter stuff

[limber nacelle]

Do you reckon that with the glow up of the season area, there'll be more things added either in the coming updates or when the later half of testing comes? I'm hoping there'll be just a tad more content in the coming updates.

Though there is already a lot of content as is now, it'd be interesting to see what else is in store but I understand if it's for later, too.

[orchid knot]

I just wonder if there'll be an item that has a special function like past collabs, but I can't think what it would be other than if the area isn't available post season or maybe to go see the characters in sky kid form since we don't get to so far

[orchid knot]

Where da bubble noise gooooo #beta-screenshots-videos message

[finite anchor]

two music sheets?

[somber oyster]

omg omg omg omg

[orchid knot]

Ohhh I forgot to go check that

OMG MOOMIN MUSIC SHEET BELOVED

[craggy shard]

What’s happened to the big picture

[tulip veldt]

i am watchin for updates from afar cuz i have to lie flat on my back and just read stuff

[orchid knot]

Omg burd noooo that bass was so good though!

[limber nacelle]

I'm going home currently. I'll check out the update when I get home and then see if I can actually do third Moomin Void quest.

[orchid knot]

Is anybody up for a jam session with the new sheet? Burd and I have been testing out instruments in aviary for it but it might sound even better with lots together going eep but I will grab all the friends tomorrow

[lavish matrix]

Two music sheets??? Omg

Oh my gosh I love the new changes recently

[orchid knot]

The sheet is beautiful and I love playing it so much, it works with a lot of instruments but my favourites so far are ocarina and cello

it is absolutely not a drum type of song though

[limber nacelle]

I am honestly scared for people on less powerful devices for this season. I couldn't do third Void quest anymore and I went on to try the fourth one instead and I instantly crashed.

[rich silo]

oh wow every island now has a small prop that represents what the quest is about

you can also see the old seaonal area in the distance lol

[queen arch]

Mine was super laggy in previous builds, but this update I've just done the 3rd "dark" quest and it was super smooth
Moominvalley is still a little framey and the hattifatteners cutscene is a nightmare, but it's getting optimized really well from what I've seen

[limber nacelle]

I can't even do the third dark void quest now, I don't even know how to activate it because before the update it was active now it's not. So I didn't get the chance to test it out still. But, I haven't also gotten to the Hattifatteners cutscene yet either.

[queen arch]

In the new "seasonal hub" there are 2 sets of stepping stones in the void straight ahead of where you start, right side is the "moomin" parts of the quests, and left side is the "ninny" parts

[limber nacelle]

Yeah, I know. I just don't know why there's no longer a meditation pad by the third Ninny part.

[sterile harness]

It has an icon on it that you have to press before the medi circle appears, was it not there for you?

[limber nacelle]

Oh. I'll check it out later.

[untold junco]

@somber oyster we should play the sheet omg

[solar lark]

I read that as bubba noise

[cloud ocean]

Separated earrings menu! Now can we please get more igc items in that category

[orchid knot]

yes the old sfx was just me making bubble sounds

[lavish matrix]

bubba bubba bubba

[vale temple]

I still really hope that we get a unique noise for the moobrella ult that isn't Lightseekers one I just want it to be different

[calm spoke]

Theres no map shrine in seasonal area yet?

[lavish matrix]

I see that we might have 5 moomin quests but it's curious that we have 6 void quests?? From the stone platforms

Maybe I miscounted but hmmmm

[short cradle]

can i ask moodmin has got about things？

[calm spoke]

I count more side quests too
Maybe is future content when the season come to live

[hardy tide]

Is the only one music sheet on the season the moomin valley theme?

[high atlas]

It seems the first one is a song snufkin plays on his harmonica. We don’t know what the second sheet is yet since its unavailable atm!

[hardy tide]

Copy

[prime umbra]

THE BELL IS IN THE FREE SECTION??? Or is this another bug

The bell is too good to be a free cosmetics

[cloud ocean]

It may still change but let’s be happy for now that this is the case

[prime umbra]

I hope they keep it that way really
Even tho I already planned to buy the pass

[high atlas]

The bell is a really cute item yeah! I do hope it stays free cuz it's definitely amazing especially with the sounds too!

[steady veldt]

Hey beta testers!
Tell me, will they remove the moomin headband that is attached to the moomin ears?

Cause the headband will only clip with 90% of the hairstyles and the ears are already white, blending with all the hairstyles so there is no need for it ;-;

[boreal herald]

beta doesnt know whatll happen, you have to wait till it comes to live
seeing how the headband was already made smaller than the first iteration im assuming its by contract they cant make it just ears but we still wont know for sure what anything looks like until its in the live game

[steady veldt]

Ok. Ty for the reply!

[somber oyster]

Nooooo i was at the seasonal area with such nice people but I crashed 💔.

[daring plaza]

Was going to leave this comment in genchat but realized it contains beta spoilers

Let me just say whenever we make a painting prop I lose another year off my lifespan 😂

(They look lovely for sure!! Just difficult little buggers to turn into icons haha)

[somber oyster]

You worked on Moomin and on the icons?

I love them 😌

I really love the furniture additions because they make my nest feel so homely MOAR!!!

[daring plaza]

At least our pain is worth something 🌊

[lavish matrix]

Whichever the paintings end up, be it in iap, igc or ult I will sacrifice my wallet for them >;) (sobs)

(I wonder if you do Duets ones like the big poster ult, love that one)

[somber oyster]

Ping me when

[untold junco]

Are u free rn or in 2 hours

[dapper fog]

Can you lend me your icloud to download the beta test?

[rustic zodiac]

BETA SQUAD HOW WE DOIN TONITE🗣🗣🗣

[somber oyster]

Probably in 2 hours 👀

[rustic zodiac]

Lmao thanks, your pfp looks really cool as well

[ashen pier]

Is the 4th void quest still crashing for everyone? Just checking in

[limber nacelle]

Uh... Yeah. I haven't been able to test the third one yet because that one runs at negative FPS for me but yeah I crash at I think the fourth void one? Or the regular one. I can't remember.

[rain fulcrum]

Hello Beta.
Does anyone know how the invisibility that comes with picking the "moth outfit" is going to work? Will we be able to choose an outfit to put on top?

[lavish matrix]

it's just the pants with invisible skin :D

We won't be able to choose an outfit to put on top the invisibility pants, due to technical limitations as explained by tgc Sago (link here: #beta-discussion message )

[rain fulcrum]

Thank you Grey. Now, the dress will be Ninny's or the moth outfit?

[high atlas]

Of course, this could mean in the future with more tech, they could potentially make something similar to an invisible mask! I have heard of times new tech allowed them to do things they previously couldn't

[lavish matrix]

Yeah! That's what I hope to see who knows it'll be a cool effect mask in future

[lavish matrix]

right now it has the moth outfit but we won't know until its officially announced or in live

[high atlas]

Oh making it Ninny's dress would be cute, but we do have the cape too, so ig we'll see

[ashen pier]

I think it'll probably stay as moth pants because from a players standpoint, it'll be better for everyone to mix match capes and accessories with regular beige pants rather than a red dress that's more appealing for a fem side, the cape is there technically to complete the ninny fit and when you consider you use the stances to have the cape closed it make it look like a dress whilst showing the invisible legs

[lavish matrix]

Or invisible mask with maskless too! It works the same

[golden ore]

I think Sagomay mentioned the devs did try to work on an invisible mask but that brought way too many bugs for them to handle.

[lavish matrix]

I mentioned that too xD I meant by wearing maskless while wearing the pants gives the same effect of the invisible head

[modern spruce]

Yeah but as I saying before "the invisible pants ult" but I was thinking of but it's isn't not right, it supposed to change it tho...

[twin siren]

I mean they could have at least have made it red or smth? Since we have coloured pants already that we can match stuff with. Having a red and a bit of white outfit shouldn’t be a problem.
For example the rythm outfits are blue, yet we have a lot of ways to mix and match with those and they’re very appealing

[delicate umbra]

I'm looking for someone who knows what the cape with this symbol of moonlight days looks like

[lavish matrix]

What do you mean?

[delicate umbra]

I want to know what the moonlight cloak looks like, the one with the yellow light

[boreal herald]

#seasons-events-chat message is asking to see the manta cape with the moonlight iap, but this would be better suited in #outfit-requests

[lavish matrix]

The Moonlight cloak doesn't exist, the Moonlight guide actually wears the season of nine coloured deer's ultimate cape

If you mean by the outfit iap so yes it does exist. Just the cape isn't available to get

[marble escarp]

Hy everyone I have a question about moomin season
Do we know the special free item (ultimitate free gift ?) as the Little prince ouftit, nine coloored deer mask ect...

[lavish matrix]

We haven't seen an igc ult yet in this build so we'll have to wait

[balmy tapir]

What would actually be better is if it was actually invisible instead of 70% just moth outfit

[lavish matrix]

Though Ninny is more known for having a dress and her bowtie visible so having the pants visible conveys the character well

[balmy tapir]

The dress is the cape anyway

[lavish matrix]

Exactly

It would be weird if we get "nothing" body (100% invisible, if that's what you mean) as an ult tbh

[balmy tapir]

That would make it make sense. They make a gimmick and an outfit with it is 70% moth pants. What's the point

[spiral needle]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[lavish matrix]

moth pants yeah maybe would be nice if it resembles a lil to Ninny while staying gender neutral like moth pants

The point is having the invisible skin that's all xD

[balmy tapir]

You can barely see that invisible skin even if you're not wearing anything else. I think that's just pointless and not worth even putting on

[lavish matrix]

"Barely see" that's invisible

If its 100% invisible it'd feel odd to wear personally. It would be borderline spooky ish (and Ninny being 100% invisible was when she's not in great shape mentally so it's not good implication too, she's just more famous with her dress and bow tie visible, especially when the red dress is a gift from moominmama that's why I think the "moth pants" should resemble the dress)

[balmy tapir]

Fully invisible would actually be interesting, instead of most of it being just moth outfit. It just feels disappointing and pointless to me

Full invisibility for shuttlecock cosplay

[lavish matrix]

What do you think of the idea of moth pants being more like ninny's dress :o

I don't mind the way it looks like rn I just think it'd be better if its more unique a bit

[balmy tapir]

That would be more unique at least and actually portray the character

[lavish matrix]

Yeah exactly, I prefer that than 100% invisible, I would've felt odd playing a fully invisible character (or just a cape and hair flying around )

[hushed charm]

I have this strong feeling (it wont happen) that the cape will have this effect (it doesnt even make sense since all the capes we had teleport us instead) of just making the pants fully invisible

[blissful grove]

Atleast we could expect a better design or stylish outfit with the current invisible skin

[balmy tapir]

It's not completely invisible anyway, so I don't see why not. At least you could actually fool around with it

[lavish matrix]

Maybe, I'd just want to see if we have an unique pants with the invisible skin someday

[balmy tapir]

Idk if they have a reason to do that outside this collab. I doubt they'll be changing moth pants either

[lavish matrix]

I say someday as in within this season or in coming builds
I doubt they'd make one beyond the collab too just saying perhaps they will make Ninny inspired pants for the later half of the season 🤔

[raven oyster]

The invisible pants feel more like a final ultimate IGC award rather than an ultimate gift, personally. If one of the moomin IAP cosmetics were transferred to an ultimate (assuming that certain cosmetic is not required in contract by Moomin to serve as separate from pass IAP) it would balance things out more

Or perhaps there is another cosmetic in the works we haven't seen yet. Who knows, this is beta and it's always WAFO.

[lavish matrix]

I feel it might be likely that we haven't seen another cosmetic yet cuz we don't see any igc ultimate rewards yet

Cuz (not sure if it's a bug or true) we're getting 2nd moomin music sheet, so this means there might be more in the works

[marble escarp]

thanks ! I'm not a beta player so I prefer to ask, thanks for your answer

[limber nacelle]

Looking through chat and it seems to be about invisible outfit but has anyone ever considered if it were fully invisible, it'd make Eden that much more difficult? Like, maybe as it is now it racks up the difficulty a bit.

[twin siren]

I don’t mind the invisibility. I think it’s cool how it is now. What I care about is the outfit and what’s worn. I’m disappointed it’s just the basic start outfit

[untold junco]

Honestly I don’t think the invisibility deserves to be a limited item. Moomin doesn’t own the invisibility nor the basic pants so it’s not hard to make it a permanent igc and not all players are satisfied with it for being an ult gift