lore-discussion-spoilers

[orchid jolt]

yes, the main issue is testing it out with the neutral crabs. The normal dark dusty ones are definitely possible to test out, as they can spawn with the shard events as well as the previous shard event having taken place in an area with the dusty crabs. But we dont yet know if any shard events will take place in sanctuary or graveyard, and those are the only two places with the neutral crabs (excluding office)

[keen wren]

Would it be better to post Resh doodles here or in #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat since it’s kinda a spoiler?

[orchid jolt]

it could be a wince of pain instead of fear

[sudden smelt]

It looks as if taking the wl out of themselves hurts them and they struggle to do it/have to rip it out

[orchid jolt]

resh is only in concept art, so i dont think its a spoiler (of course, with the new season and how ive been avoiding spoilers, i dont know if Resh is introduced later on during the season some how, in which case it would be a spoiler (like a fanart of the leviathon from abyss being posted before the area was actually unlocked)) but you might want to spoiler tag it and say that this is of a concept elder from the conceptual phase of sky cotl or something

[keen wren]

Pog ty

[plush mantle]

||I saw some beta spoilers and didn't see Resh anywhere so I'm pretty sure it won't be season spoilers||

[orchid jolt]

I know, i was responding to someone who brought that up in regards to someone saying that skykids arent afraid of red rocks but cower during the playfight emote. basically, to me it sounded like the person was trying to say that they are actually afraid of the rocks or something and i was saying that it could very easily be pain rather than fear. I p[robably shoulda m ade that clearer

[violet sundial]

WAFO

[fickle tundra]

btw if anyone's wondering about why the hell would i ask about something so specific

angsty fanart, thats it, dumb reason right?

[orchid jolt]

while this isnt exactly a spoiler, could you spoiler tag it pls? think of it like scp 055, people cant really remember information about it (like saying it is red or something like that) but can figure out what it's not (like, it is not a sphere).

[orchid jolt]

hey, a reason is a reason.

[fickle tundra]

scp fan spotted

the sky fandom is officially cultured

[vivid mango]

||I'm in beta chat (not beta), and lemme tell you, there's a reason I'm hoping the next season is better 😔 ||

[keen wren]

I just got the idea for a giant squid krill and now I’m scared

[fickle tundra]

(the rainbow pants dont have shoes, look closely)

imagine how much this must suck

having to climb a whole "mountain" of ide barefoot

[keen wren]

Fellas is it gay to not wear shoes?

[nimble ingot]

Tell that to every skykid with the non-season cosmetic pants.

[fickle tundra]

moths in valley:

[orchid jolt]

well, i hadnt yet specified if i was one of those fans that think that Trevor Henderson's creations are SCPs (they are not scps. they are his own stuff, if he decides its an scp, then its an scp but random people cant make that decision for him) or that the backrooms is an scp (also not an scp, its a seperate community thing that is similar to the scp wiki in that it is fan driven with horror elements).

or wether I watch the short corporperate scp summary animations (like "scp explained" offshoot of the "infographics show") (this does not include things similar to "Lord Bung"'s videos) rather than watch the long form videos by people who are actually passionate about the subject and go in depth and detail (like, "The Exploring Series" or "The Volgun")
Note: I'm not mad or anything at the people who watch those corporate videos, just a bit annoyed at the corporate people making the vids (not the people who are just doing their jobs either)

[violet sundial]

(Wait and find out!)

[plush mantle]

||Yea I had to ask my friends what was wrong... yea I'm in the same boat as you||

[sharp lichen]

I really doubt Resh will be in the Season of Shattering. Just because it’s Eden doesn’t mean it’s Resh

[plush mantle]

True but it doesn't hurt to hope ^^

[visual lichen]

They are probably siblings, or a team of sorts. One has desighns and schematics, the other tools to build.

[inner cloud]

I think it would be cool to see Resh since we are seeing ‘ancient memories’

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea It’s Shoes, I swear it is shoes. I will tell you that it is in fact, tiny little boots that they are wearing(I am in denial ok)

[frigid tinsel]

I suppose it's a question of how "ancient." in the intro cave, we only know that "a long time has passed" between the kingdom falling and skykids' arrival. we are not told a number of years. one could guess, from the derelict ruins around us, that an incredibly long time has passed, perhaps centuries. some do think it's only been 50-100 years and the Storm could have made things age more than they actually are, but would that make the kingdom "ancient" as compared to 500-1000 years?

were these "ancient" memories frozen when the kingdom fell or were they petrified earlier in the kingdom's timeline, thus being more "ancient" to scale?

[inner cloud]

It’s so fascinating how much lore we are being given

[gray oriole]

What I love most is how this chat will take crumbs and somehow manage to put them together into a lorecake
So much dedicated work and theorising to make the most of what we are given, which I am very thankful for as a lore moth

Although I wish we got text for the ancient memories. I feel like poems would have fit the vibe nicely and would be a good way to vaguely hint at things without giving much away, but judging from the first seasonal quest that doesn't seem to be the case.

[graceful oasis]

We then somehow discover that the kingdom darkest secrets…. Which is [Insert]

[slim plume]

Would be happy to pull an Alasdair and make poems/haikuus/short prose for each memory

[hushed steeple]

I think I understood that painting. By "amusing" the megabird, or show him that we use light to make great things that involve art etc... Megabird might gift us some light orbs, instead of seeking them like they did in ark.

[lethal jasper]

See now heres my question

Would megabird count as something malevolent instead of something benevolent in terms of the fact that its a higher being of some kind?

Because think about it;

If its powerful enough to preform some kind of regeneration process with each individual moth (i call all skykids moths bc the name stuck-), in a way it could easily pull each spirit back to itself without the necessity of a "vessel".

So it locks its own creations in a cycle of dying and being revived until i guess it deems the job is "done"

[frigid tinsel]

just cos something is a god doesn't mean it's malevolent. I think Megabird simply isn't all-powerful

[hushed steeple]

No, we've been sent to link back the light between elders and megabird. If we're sent back, it's to relight the darken zones, as the seasonal ones. Also to repopulate the realm.

It guides the light as the darkness makes the light being.

[lethal jasper]

Fair points, i was just thinking about it heavily lol

[hushed steeple]

Sure! You got your awnser.

[slim plume]

Considering we have so little on Megabird themselves and we don't know their nature (just that they embody all light), I think there's really too little to go off of aside from what they have supposedly done to/for the world of sky

[hushed steeple]

We have been sent to spread the light back, so the Elder Can be linked back to megabird so they don't lay in darkness forever. As elders are megabird's Friends.
And many can tell that in Sky, friendship is more than an important pillar.

Like a deal, by helping our creator, we can fullfil our wanting to discover things and not stay only within the stars

[gray oriole]

If we wanted to explore a more malevolent idea, I'd say there is a possibility of megabird being a deity who perhaps is somewhat detached from us in the sense that, even without ill-meaning or bad intentions, we are a cog in the machine and fulfilling our task is deemed more important. Being given a vessel and life on this realm is a gift in its own sense so perhaps the drawbacks that come with the cycle we go through are just seen as what needs to be done for a higher purpose?
I don't know our connection with megabird in terms of how much we are cared for as a whole but I think it would be a fun alternate headcanon

(I am absolutely spitballing here btw and this is purely from the very little I've seen so far so it may contradict canon/ more accepted theories)

[frigid tinsel]

another thought it that skykids are reborn whereas ancestors are not is cos there are more spirits to ascend we've yet to find (as shown with every new season bar Shattering), so our task is not over. ancestors died out due to the darkness, so it would not be safe for them to be reborn with the amount of darkness currently in the world.

[lethal jasper]

So really, the lack of ascending with other spirits to make each one become reborn could likely be a safety precaution

[gray oriole]

Ohhh I really like that thought

[lethal jasper]

Yknow i also wonder if megabirds actually a bird or if its like

Sorta similar to the memory manta things we see in vault, just incomprehensibly massive-

[frigid tinsel]

I've mused on why Megabird is called Megabird: #lore-discussion-spoilers message but tl;dr – Megabird is very likely not an actual bird. ✨ symbolism ✨
addendum:

now onto my own thoughts, perhaps birds were picked because of, as you pointed out, pre-existing irl symbolism of birds (elevation, enlightenment, hope, and wisdom). perhaps birds were picked because that is what we associate most with flight, something apt for a game about flying

[gray oriole]

I saw a post someone showed and it just looked like a big amalgamation of light in a vague shape if I remember correctly
So I could imagine it being shapeless and the bird form is the interpretation of this

Oh wait that's the exact post haha

[lethal jasper]

Which is funny to me because i imagine a spirit looking up and seeing this massive light blob in the sky and just goes "yeah thats a bird"

[frigid tinsel]

sorta how irl constellations are decided – people looked up at the sky and thought a bunch of stars formed a specific shape. people created mythos for why the constellations exist when it's really our pattern recognition brains

[gray oriole]

Actually that's interesting to me, since flying mantas are normal there too so I'd wonder why bird was picked over it

Maybe since manta's were used more like horses they were seen as more tamed while birds were more free and thus better fitting?

[frigid tinsel]

birds are familiar to us as flying creatures irl. there's also the thought that mantas in Sky didn't always fly – it was a development at some point in the timeline

[slim plume]

I mean, birds in-game seem to be found almost anywhere that isn't too heavily polluted and aren't contained in the 'juicers' like mantas and other creatures too (they're even found in Vault, albeit in the Starlight Desert only) so perhaps

[lethal jasper]

Yknow maybe the lack of mantas in the sky prior to sky kid era, and then them going into the sky was a survival tactic because the krill very much can survive in water (take season of abyss into account, especially the big boy krill)

[gray oriole]

Weren't they already flying in season of flight? I don't know when in the timeline that is but it seems somewhat old
But the bird gates there was what made me think that birds were seen as special somehow/ revered almost

[slim plume]

I think it was generally agreed here that Flight's time range was around when darkstone was first being used up until Eden exploded (or a bit earlier) and that the spirits there were trying to co-exist with mantas instead of use them to power darkstones (i.e. guiding the light creatures and using mantas to power the boats in the Wind Paths instead of darkstones, the lack of darkstones/advanced technology in general in the seasonal area too, etc.)

[frigid tinsel]

in cutscenes for Season of Sanctuary quests, the bells summon mantas from under the water. we also have the thatskyshop quote "from darkness, light is born." a dev Q&A during Season of Abyss called the oceans "realms of darkness."

perhaps marine light creatures such as mantas were spawned from darkness in the water but at some point made the transition to flight.

[nimble ingot]

Wild theory.
Did the Ancestors try to invert the cycle of light and dark?
As in take the darkness to the mountain?

[slim plume]

I've always seen the Eden darkstone as a failed attempt of giving the kingdom an infinite source of light, but bringing darkness closer to Megabird is definitely a plausible theory.

The question now would be why?

[rigid locust]

OooOoh! That makes sense :0.

[nimble ingot]

In concept art, power diamonds were called "Artifical stars".

Provided it is still valid to the current lore, star that turn to darkness would be like a black hole.
Which would overall be BAD if that actually happened.

[frigid tinsel]

black holes are formed when a supermassive star can no longer produce more energy to sustain its own mass, causing it to collapse under its own gravity into a point that becomes a singularity. the singularity is infinitely dense, creating gravity that's so incredibly strong that anything caught in its orbit cannot escape. hence why black holes look "black" – it's really the lack of light hitting our eyes since even light cannot escape the singularity's gravity.

[hushed steeple]

It has a more manta like shape, but due to outro think beak poeple assimilate it as a bien

[hoary ingot]

Is Golden Wasteland the abandoned diamond factory?

[hushed steeple]

I have a question...what's the so called "juicer"?

[frigid tinsel]

the Wasteland seems to be the kingdom's industrial hub, hence the pollution. its factories are only abandoned cos the darkness overwhelmed the ancestors or the war was fought over power diamond production; everyone died

[frigid tinsel]

from Zhao's concept art, though you may recognize some of these structures in Live game. whether they serve the same function is up to debate, but the "grinding" and "juicing" is still used among theorists

[hoary ingot]

So the spirits there are the spirits of dead ancestors? I also noticed that Treasure Reef seemed to be a diamond/mining factory, as well, after i visited it for the first time.

[frigid tinsel]

yes, the spirits are the disembodied souls of dead ancestors

[hoary ingot]

That’s kind of sad, lol.

[frigid tinsel]

Sky lore is like an onion – it has so many layers and peeling them back makes you cry

[hushed steeple]

I don't agree with the power diamand war. The War has of point the pollution. Every single shields has a sun symbol as non artificial light use, only one shield is found on the battle field which has a diamand shape. Eden was in the diamand shape side meanwhile the Elder of GW was for the ecological move seeing the disaster it would make to keep producing the War went litteraly into the Eden. And I think it's pary of the reason why it has exploded

[hoary ingot]

A few questions, if you will. When did this war take place and whom was it fought against? I don’t see the need or purpose of having diamonds when magick, clouds, and literal light was at the tips of everyone’s fingers.

[frigid tinsel]

frankly, it's unconfirmed what the war was fought over, when it occurred, who was on each other, and what side Dusk Elder was on. the common theory that it was a civil war between ancestors and maybe Elders. combatants using the sun shields defended light and were against darkstone technology for the ecological destruction while the diamond side defended power diamond production.

[hushed steeple]

Easier light production, it's like a lamp, why polluting our lands to make a lamp when you have candles? Well lamp makes more light.

[hoary ingot]

Ah, I see. Interesting.

[frigid tinsel]

given that the weapons and shields are still around battlefield, it's possible the war occurred near the end of the kingdom's reign. with the darkness of the Storm post-Eden calamity, it's possible the combatants simply dropped everything and fled

[hushed steeple]

That's what I said.

[gray oriole]

Wow the juicer is something I really didn't expect, it looks so cruel
Did the light beings die in the process, you think?

[hushed steeple]

No. Because there's only one shield with a diamand shape on it.
Which means that the dark stone side would have only one shield? Makes non-nense.

[frigid tinsel]

no, you said you don't believe the war was over power diamonds and spoke with surety as though it was confirmed what the war happened for and who Dusk Elder sided with, but again, nothing is confirmed. I simply stated the common theory.

[hoary ingot]

So where do Skykids come in? Is our purpose to restore the glory of the Kingdom so it may resume its reign? Seeing that all its inhabitants are dead, is that even possible?

[frigid tinsel]

very likely

[gray oriole]

In the discussion we had before some theorised that we are there to bring the elders(?) back to megabird so maybe we are there to save the souls of them and rid the world of the darkness?
I don't know tho

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: those giant "king" statues around Wasteland are very likely turrets. an incoming army would have to defend themselves against a barrage while the defending side would most likely shoot. something to think about

[hoary ingot]

Megabird? I’ve never heard of that.

[uncut pond]

Our purpose is most likely to make sure the cycle of Light Rebirth continues its course, since the Eden calamity did irreparable damage to the world and only Sky Kids can make the Eden Light Beam work as intended, although only temporarily and at the cost of sacrificing themselves in the process

[gray oriole]

I am super new to the lore myself so I'll leave others to explain it better but megabird seems to be a sort of deity and maybe the one who sent us here if I understood correctly

[hushed steeple]

Guess what, flamethrowers

[hushed steeple]

Would the dust...be their Bones ?!

[hoary ingot]

Same here. Thanks for explaining!

[frigid tinsel]

back to Zhao concepts', he states that light creatures would only leave bones in the case of unnatural death. we don't know if that is still true to Live, but there are sizeable skeletons in Forest and Wasteland. if being grinded up and drained of one's light doesn't count as an "unnatural death," then idk what does

[gray oriole]

I found that talking here helps me learn more rather than lurking so I am just enjoying my time haha hopefully I'll learn more soon enough

[hoary ingot]

So what is the purpose of helping Spirits relive their memories? Is that to eventually lead them to elders and from there, the elders send them back to Megabird or their eternal home?

[hoary ingot]

Same! Sky is so interesting and I have so many questions. So glad this chat was set in place.

[hushed steeple]

In my theory, the war in the GW has to sides, the ecologist, with the shield having a sun symbol against the dark stone industry and the diamand side, with shields having a diamand shape on it and wanting to produce more efficient light with the lowest consuption of it.

I imagine a scenario where the GW wasteland Elder noticed how the production was affecting the environnement and other beings. And started a war with their soldier against the other side. Eden was in the side of the datk stone users and fought with them. As a result, GW Elder Lost, all his army shields are down and only one troop of Eden got down (the only shield we can see in GW that is one with a diamand shape).

After that, GW was I think even more doomed.

[hoary ingot]

Wow..

[lean marten]

@torn eagle war discussion

[hushed steeple]

Uh oh 👁️👁️

[torn eagle]

ayye

[hushed steeple]

Read my message just up there

[lean marten]

i hear the serious typing in the background

[gray oriole]

Haha same I'm waiting with baited breath o.o

[lean marten]

but i mean mine in a literal sense, i can actually hear Ran typing and im anticipating hdjshdjshs

[torn eagle]

a good take ^^

Personally based on the concept art and details in game I deduced that it was a war between, as youve said, two sides.

In the concept art it was said that light creatures only leave bones when they died an unnatural death and we see a lot of that in the wasteland graveyard

Then in the battlefield theres a lot of scattered weapons and and two kinds of shields, the octagonal shields (sunburst) and the pentagonal shields (diamond)

Based on these I deduced that it was a war between the sunburst faction and the darkstone faction (as I like to call them)

The sunburst faction were a group that rebelled against the king along with the light creatures, and this sisde was supported by Tsadi, the wasteland elder. They went against the usage of darkstone and the extraction of light from light creatures

and the darkstone faction is a group that are loyal to the king and supported the usage the power diamonds

This war most likely happened when light extraction was on the rise as Tsadi wasnt really against this (I'll explain in a follow up message) and most likely this was also a time where the red diamond in eden is starting to show its adverse effects

[lean marten]

there it is

[nimble ingot]

If I may add this tid bit into the fray.

There is evidence to support a thoery of the Wasteland Elder (Tsadi) may have changed sides.
In their constellation (both the one for their realm, and the all elder cutscene), they are shown with a diamond shield 🛡️ , one that is similar to the ones in the Diamond faction. Even if they wield a spear, and the diamond faction seems to have used swords.
The fact that the shield the elder actually has (which can also be seen resting against their shrine) is round 🔵 , suggests they now are fighting for the Light (☉).

This may imply they were the deciding factor in the battle outside of the temple. Or possibly that they rebelled.
It is a bit vague, though still a theory worth taking note of.

[torn eagle]

Tsadi related notes:

In Tsadi's depictions in the murals and their constellation (Vault mural/constellation images and the wasteland constellation) they were shown to protect wasteland, vault and eden included, from the attacks of light creatures and was holding a pentagonal shield, but in their cutscene they were shown wielding an octagonal shield

[keen shore]

credit to spade for that constellation overlay btw!

[nimble ingot]

Possibly, or charging the temple
Again, the soldiers also has this diamond shield and spear combo.

I wonder if the elder and their own army may have united and tried to stop the war on both ends???

[torn eagle]

i think its more likely that this was a time where they were protecting the temple from light creatures as shown with their pentagonal shield and the bones of a creature in front of them

what do you mean by your third statement TvT

[gray oriole]

I have a question
So if the light creatures are fighting with them, what does that say about their intelligence? I thought about them more so as animals but if they actively participated in a war aka were able to distinguish between the factions and align with one/possibly coordinated attacks that would probably mean they could communicate somehow or were at least highly intelligent, right?
Or am I just overthinking it?

[nimble ingot]

Just me speculating.
As in why would the soldiers have weapons that represent both sides of a battle in the battle field.
Where the round shield and spears were of warriors that fought those who had swords and diamond shields.

While the bones in the constellation may represent dead creatures, they may have been in the image because it is what the realm is known for, creature bones.
This is also apparent in the section in vault, with the floor that represents the wastes have creature bones and an lone elder creature.

[nimble ingot]

Creatures in sky seem to act like most animals would in real life. As in, they may have a personality and quirks, though mostly would live on instinct.

Us skykids have yet encountered a living, intelligent creature. While a spirit manta is an exception, as it grants skykids a blessing with knowledge on how to dive.

It may be possible a creature in battle would react in a similar way than say a warhorse would in battle. That is, if the creature would react in such a way.
If not, I would like to know if the stone fish creatures would have been a replacement to living creatures to serve as mounts or weapons in a war.

[remote skiff]

the diamond motif is everywhere in the kingdom of sky, and i'd wager it's essentially the kingdom's flag. who were they fighting that represented themselves with a sun?

i think there was a revolt

[nimble ingot]

The sun could be a star. A star could be the Light. The Light could be the Megabird.

That is, assuming it is what the game is trying to point towards.

[torn eagle]

do you think its possible that the bones were were placed into vault during the attacks of light creatures? its like retrieving fossils

is it really the case where spears are used by those who use round shields and swords are used by those who wielded pentagon shields?

[remote skiff]

i think it's a memorial gesture. like the manta bones surrounded by candles

[nimble ingot]

Possibly, as a reminder of if it, like a relic?
Assuming the bones are real, seeing that they are holographic, yet solid.
And there being an actual skeleton of a manta in there that is not hollow.

[gray oriole]

Thanks! I thought that might be an option but it almost sounded more autonomous but this makes sense

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lorechat! Talking abt War and Stuff, I noticed that the shields and weapons are hella big. How plausible is it that, to hold such big weapons, the soldiers used size-alteration spells?

[keen shore]

Thats the only plausible explanation I can think of for it, especially because there’s a mural of ancestors using size potions on the ark, and I love it because it seems so random at first and makes me giggle so hard. Although, when you think about it it makes a lot of sense

[cobalt palm]

Wasteland Elder was pretty large, I guess that goes for a lot of the wasteland soldier spirits too

[nimble ingot]

It would be interesting.

Though even the largest spirit we met might not be able to wield the weapons.
It is interesting how they are so large, yet it is implied the ancestors may have been involved (this is based on the soldier statue in the graveyard, next to the catapult).

One possibility, would be humanoid golems. Another would be goliath sized ancestors, and another would be humanoids the size of elders.

[torn eagle]

wait there is!? :0 this changes things

[keen shore]

Third one from the left!

[hushed steeple]

So are spells imports that the kingdom of sky brought for military use?

[torn eagle]

Ayyyee!

[gray oriole]

Okay stupid question but could I get clarification
Is ancestors = spirits
Elders = the big ones in the cutscenes and depicted in the gates for each realm? Aka the ones from the tempels

[keen shore]

Yep! Typically when I say ancestors, I’m referring to them when they were still alive before they became spirits, hence the different name

[cobalt palm]

Buff spell

[nimble ingot]

!krill

aw worth a shot

[twilit blade]

(i didnt know how to explain)

[gray oriole]

I am curious why our call flips them over, is it because it emits light?

[hushed steeple]

Also if light Creatures were fighting against the ancestors, then would the Flight Spirits be traitors, since they help, heal and guide light creatures?

[cobalt palm]

The prairie spirits also use creatures, catching butterflies and storing them in pots

[torn eagle]

In my opinion not every ancestor are against light creatures and not every light creature attacks ancestors

its likely that light creatures attacked wasteland because wasteland is the first line of defense of eden and eden is the source of corruption

wasteland also has the most advanced facilities in creating darkstone and extracting light

in prairie theyre more... yes they catch butterflies and are the source of bells that guide light creatures (in wasteland it is used to guide them to extraction facilities) but they dont harm them

the flight guide is an apprentice of the prairie elder iirc, and the rest of the gang have professions that are found in prairie (correct me if im wrong)

[cobalt palm]

That is true, they are boat builders, and chime makers

[torn eagle]

maybe this would also support that light creatures dont really have high intellect, yes they know that wasteland and eden is the hotspot for darkstone manufacturing and corruption (and therefore waged war) but they dont attack the source of the tools that can lure them in

[orchid jolt]

I have tested it out, and it seems you are correct.

[hushed steeple]

So prairie is just the countryside?

[torn eagle]

you can say so, prairie people do seem to live simple lives as compared to other realms except isle

[visual lichen]

Pretty much, prairie doesn't realy have a story, and the only murals there are, are for the bell hunting quest in sanctuary Islands. Beside that the only mural that is not related to the bells is this Pic. Maybe the devs were gonna make sanctuary Islands the origin of the jelly fish and then scrapped the idea.

[torn eagle]

i think instead of it being a mural its a drawing made by the jellyfish whisperer XD

[visual lichen]

Well the mural isn't complete and you can see there was more to the mural, it's remnance I believe is simply a mistake that wasn't covered up properly.

[gray oriole]

Unrelated but I often see people talk about lore from the light awaits (or whatever else the first name for this game was), were the Devs more generous about lore at that time? I feel like now is very vague and I wonder if that is in order to space it out over more time/ give them more options to adjust it in future seasons

[torn eagle]

most likely yea

[keen shore]

I disagree with that. Something you will see with a lot of murals is that due to the terrain (like the jellyfish cave walls curving away sharply) is that, since the mural itself is a model above the wall, parts of it clip through the stone and are not visible. That’s what’s happening here

[visual lichen]

But it's still the only mural. And prairie still doesn't have a story. It would be nice to have a back story of how the bells went missing and why.

[keen shore]

There are murals all around the sanctuary islands for quests. 5 others in total I believe

[hushed steeple]

IT WAS THE WASTELAND JERKS! Since they've been known for hunting/extracting/waging war with light creatures

[visual lichen]

True but only 3 jelly fish, in the whole of prairie. We need more murals in Prarie itself to help us with such discussions hehehe

[visual lichen]

Hehehehe Yes I said that already, and those aren't realy telling a story, but rather giving clues. besides they mural of the 3 jellies, there are no other murals.

Different topic, this is the only mural I have found for the previous season. Has anyone seen others in valley of triumph?

[torn eagle]

prairies lore isnt that developed other than this is the origin of bells and the pots storing butterflies

theres a thought in my mind regarding ceremonial worshiper relating to the lore but lll let it brew for a bit

[torn eagle]

not for performance no

[visual lichen]

Thanks hehehe, it's a bit of a shame that there aren't more.

[remote skiff]

hey does anyone have a still image of the statues in the long passage way with stairs you first enter after || hugging the kid in orbit ||? they look different from the ones in the valley and wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Prairie is full of light, as it can be conidered of the kingdom's light fridge where they store light

[visual lichen]

Yea, I agree to a piont, but I'm talking about murals. Prarie is more of the untouched by darkness sort of concept, and there are a lot of light creatures plus the butterfly whisperer and the sanctuary Islands spirit shows that it was and still is a peaceful place, but there are ruins of old structures, but no murals like the other maps to explain what prairie was to the stars, or what happened to prairie itself. As for the storing light, yes Prarie caves has a boat and a store room. And the stone globe where you find the butterfly whisperer has shelves carved into the walls, could of been beds. I believe the light was shipped from Isle of dawn, and the storeroom in the caves could of been for supplying the area. The piont is, we don't know, cause there are no murals to explain anything, and that just leaves us with assumptions, not answers. I posted a few murals from Isle of dawn and a Pic of what the light they are holding in the mural looked like.

So yea Prarie was definate used to store stuff, but it was just a half way stop in a sence.

[fleet grove]

do we know why it's specifically 4 figures in most of the murals?

[visual lichen]

Well I'm trying to remember how many spirits you can find there, there are 4 on ground level and 1 up top by the temple. I don't count the one through the cloud tunnel as it was not origanly from that area, but rather one of the past seasons. But the spirit in the hidden cave with the golden orbs was also part of a previous season, so there were originally 4 spirits on the map, when the game was released.

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat! Lorechat! Why did the Valley and Vault elders not receive a light. *ref, the mural in the cave of prophecy (salem code:G2)

[rigid mural]

Valley ? You mean Isle ? Valley got the air element !

[keen shore]

the several seconds in which I forgot about the masterlist were very confusing

[visual lichen]

Cause the vessel they used to transport everything there, used to be the Forgotten ark. When it crashed the spirits used the rescorses to make the place habital for themselves.

[rigid mural]

Salem, you made it

[visual lichen]

There is another ark in wasteland, that also met a bad fate

[keen shore]

We’re talking about the prophecy lights, not the enchantment ones Hypch

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I meant Isle

[keen shore]

Shhhhhhhhhh,

[hoary ingot]

May someone explain the series of murals in CoP?

[visual lichen]

Go to the ark, and check, the elements on the ark were and are the same as the ones in cave of prophecy. And both areas are linked very closely by the murals.

[rigid mural]

No idea, Isle has always been set apart from the other realms (see how it has no daily quests), and Vault is likely one giant building so the elder might not have needed an elemental light.

[keen shore]

Dawn elder got one of the lights but disintegrated into dust and died, so day got it instead 💔

[slim plume]

Isle is also excluded from the Eden door (all the faces of the other elders are there, except Isle), so perhaps there's a bit a favouritism there

[hoary ingot]

Also, what is the origin of elders? Are they immortal?

[torn eagle]

i think gameplay wise its to make new players feel the loneliness/explore on their own

[frigid tinsel]

it depicts the Trials, Chosen One completing the Trials when many ancestors failed, Chosen One receiving 4 colored lights (green, blue, cyan, and orange) blessing or control, gifting the colored lights to the Elders (green to Day, Blue to Rain, Cyan to Sunset, Orange to Dusk), the Elders doing whatever with those colored lights, then Chosen One ascending Eden to do something glorious.

[visual lichen]

Cave of prophecy was a school of sorts that thought spirits about the elements. Those 4 elements are a very crucial piont in the whole story of sky

[rigid mural]

It's up to your interpretation really, the first few murals before the door may represent the elements in action or in their environment.

[torn eagle]

i think its because dawn elder didnt approve of the usage f darkstone

[rigid mural]

We only know that they are the stars that fell and are ageless and genderless.

[hoary ingot]

I always interpreted it as the first SkyKid. They ascended to Eden and started tampering with the realms and it backfired. Thus, the introduction of darkness and the Eden we know today.

[keen shore]

Some fun facts about that actually. The prophecy and enchantment lights are canonically linked “in a way” (dev confirmation) but it is in no way, shape, or form confirmed that they’re the exact same lights. As in, the orbs thst the elders got may have looked different from the ones we find; whether being more powerful or with other differences. Also, the light quests’ symbols reflecting the prophecy symbols for the lights is a recent change; before, they showed the enchantment symbols, which are different.

Both lights mighr have come from the same source, but with the enchantment ones being fragments of the prophecy ones, for instance.

Also, I don’t know if this is intentional, but the way this message is phrased does make me feel like I’m being talked down to. If you don’t understand the reasoning behind something we’re talking about (eg considering the lights from each season as possibly different and talking about them separately), you can ask for an explanation.

[visual lichen]

Well they didn't realy fall. If you follow the story from the beginning, the left the heavens and made thier home in the clouds. The descended yes, and started building, the elders are called elders cause they are exactly that. We as a race refer to our elders as teachers and leaders that came before us. So to my understanding the elders were the ones who lead the rest of the stars to the clouds. They kept thier respective positions, as leaders, watching over different realms, and protecting its citizens.

[visual lichen]

Dude your eyes will confirm it hehehe, the symbols for the elements on the ark and in the cave of prophecy are an exact match. Trust me go check

[frigid tinsel]

Chosen One is often thought to have been crowned the prince/king or the Eden Elder because they completed the Trials. also, since they're depicted the same way as skykids in the intro cave, they're often considered the first skykid, as you said, or a proto-skykid.

gives the "we are the king" theorists a lot of ammunition

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact, they weren't always symbolized the same.

[hoary ingot]

This makes more sense to me, especially given the definition of Elder as you stated.

[visual lichen]

OK ok, hehehe I get it.

[keen shore]

Nope!

[hoary ingot]

Question — is the kingdom of Sky a planet? I was wondering such while playing the Little Prince event. He came from another planet into our world, so would that mean that Sky is a planet or..?

[rigid mural]

"But darkness came, and the stars fell."

• Isle intro

⬆️ this is what I'm referring to.

[frigid tinsel]

devs have confirmed that the Elders are fallen stars.

[visual lichen]

Hmm I was wrong, still they do represent the same thing. thanks hehehe

[keen shore]

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

[frigid tinsel]

also, the old intro (while current canonicity is debated but said to still be relevant) depicts the Elders as their constellations disassembling and falling as stars to the world

[visual lichen]

So do we still stick with the old versions story or the new one, as it seems the story itself has been changed a bit? Im man enough to admit I make mistakes, but remember the original story is not the same as it was when it started, or is it?

[keen shore]

Wasn’t there a dev confirmation that all the intros are canon they’re just reworded a bit? I feel like there was bc I remember being relieved about it, but I can’t find it

[frigid tinsel]

I'm not mentally well enough to get into the whole intro debate, but devs (Ash iirc) have said that the story is the same regardless of how the intros tells it. I personally don't believe that because order of events diverge. still, I acknowledge that whatever story they tell has canon authenticity

[rigid mural]

Boom

[keen shore]

Thank you!!!

[visual lichen]

Yea exactly, cause when I started a few months back it was " when darkness came, they left the heavens to make a home in the clouds." no falling. So now the question is what story should we agree on, the original wording, or the edited version?

So even if they are Canon, the wording changes the concept, and just 1 word can turn a whole story around on its head

[keen shore]

All of them are canon and refer to the same story, as the messages above state — we can reference them against each other

[frigid tinsel]

this is kinda of a "the lore is up to interpretation" moment

[visual lichen]

Fell and left. In the original story they fell, so they were basically cast out the sky. The new version they left on thier own. Big difference

[white junco]

they changed the wording to be clearer and to make it easier to translate in other languages. but the story they convey has never changed. we have confirmation from Ash on this

[hoary ingot]

So what is the confirmed, solid truth? They fell?

[visual lichen]

Hahaha yea true, but that's what the group is for. We all interpret it differently, that's why we chat about it. Right or wrong, we all come together and figure out what route to take. You see something I don't, and I see something you don't, so we meet in the middle, and come up with a theory we can all agree on. That's why I love this group.

[hoary ingot]

I have a question. Sorry to keep asking but I’m so curious and want to learn all I can. Did hidden forest always have rain? If so, has rain always been harmful to us? Or is it like acid rain from the pollution and darkness of realms like GW and Eden?

[white junco]

i found ash’s message #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

It is uncertain, though one may suppose that the hidden forest would have times where it rains and then stops.

In the current days of Sky, some areas seem to be 'frozen' in time, or a better descriptor would be in a time loop.
Whereas each area in the realms are set to a certain time of day, and would not progress beyond that point for that particular area.

We can deduce this with the fact that ancestors used to sleep, implying there would be night. We can also deduce this when certain memories would show moments that imply a different time of day (shipwright sleeping, or crying light miner in a cave in, or narcissist doing a show). Although some spirits would also include scenes that match the current scenario (ex. shivering spirit trying to get out of the rain).
The rain being harmful may have came after the darkness fell, as the rain drops are harmful, but not the water on the ground.

[keen shore]

thank you internet explorer <3 /j

[white junco]

anytime salami

[frigid tinsel]

it's unclear. one thought is that the rain in Forest only came with Rain Elder was gifted blue light. Rain then used the blue light to create the constant rain in order to suppress forest fires since one of the murals at the Cave of Prophecies entrance shows orange light causing fires on forest.

another thought considers how Rain Elder seems to be, well, depressed. understandable since darkness has taken over the world and killed off all the people they were responsible for. in their sadness, their blue light powers unintentionally create the rain. that's why it stops raining when triggering the jellyfish bells – hearing the bells in the first time in forever, Rain Elder stops crying.

[hoary ingot]

That’s actually rather beautiful.

[cobalt palm]

The red spiral could also be for mist, as shown in the theater

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Following the theme of each realm represents a stage of life, Forest is the stage of adolescence (teenagerhood).
Where sudden changes affect the world, and feelings of doubt, sadness, frustration and anger would creep in.
While the rain makes on uncomfortable, there are at least times where the rain would part and allow sunshine to set in.

[hoary ingot]

So, since the ancestor spirits were once alive and light beings – do we guide them because they need help going to their after life? Why do the go to the Elders temple to wait for us, and where do they go afterward?

[frigid tinsel]

also note that the rain may not have always been dangerous. the rain in Forest could be infused with darkness from the Storm, hence why it drains our light

[nimble ingot]

Wonder if the swirl is possibly related to the pattern murals have for clouds?

[rigid mural]

I like to think the swirl represents confusion, like how we get lost in the mist or darkness

[keen shore]

Beat me to it 💔

[rigid mural]

WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT MAYBE IT'S RELATED TO CLOUDS

[nimble ingot]

The spirits seem to be trapped. When the skykids relive their memories, they allow the spirit to break out of the cycle and be guided to the temple. Once there, the spirits reward the skykids with their emotes and then ascend from there.
We see these spirits on the way to Orbit, and even some of theme would be present in Orbit, giving their wing buffs to the skykids.

[frigid tinsel]

I always thought the swirls in murals represented clouds

[nimble ingot]

Sorry Salem, though great minds think alike. 👍

[hoary ingot]

Ah, I see. So is the Orbit basically like the afterlife or do they not have one?

Speaking of Orbit, how come the ancestor spirits don’t get reborn like we do?

[keen shore]

Most likely yeah! Especially because they mostly seem present in the sky

[white junco]

maybe they will eventually. since they become stars, and so many stars fall in sky, they might fall far in the future and become new life

[nimble ingot]

It looks like it.
It is supposedly the domain of the Megabird. The realm where the light would be sent towards, and the megabird resets the cycle with sending down new light into the world.

[narrow crescent]

So what do clouds and the darkness element have that connects them other than the symbol? Does passive darkness evolve into clouds over long periods of time (unlike aggressive darkness which corrupts beings).

[nimble ingot]

The Storm

[keen shore]

Obscuring things, I would guess!

[narrow crescent]

Oh, that’s makes sense lol.
I despise Eden so much I often forget about it 😓

[frigid tinsel]

I think the darkness-infused rain in Forest is from the Storm moreso due to weather patterns. note that clouds do recharge our light, so they are embued with light. the Storm does produce a heckton of clouds in it of itself, so it's not farfetched to think some of its darkness spreads via the clouds as well, perhaps leeching off the light within light-infused clouds

[hoary ingot]

What is the Storm? When did this event occur?

[deep osprey]

My friend is asking questions that should be more talked about

[keen shore]

Clouds are weird because they recharge us, but we can’t fly through them like you’d expect… I wonder if there’s a reason behind that

[frigid tinsel]

wimdy

[white junco]

i think clouds have some cyan light in them and that’s why they recharge you

[keen shore]

I did it, I lored so hard I forgot wind existed

[nimble ingot]

Looking at the introduction murals (both the old and new ones, mind you), when the Darkness fell, a storm was brewing.
One that covered Eden, and spread across the kingdoms.
After a long time past, the storm is still at it, and the skykids supposedly have to find a way to fix it.

[white junco]

happens to the best of us

[nimble ingot]

It has been established that a mural figure with a halo like effect on their heads, are more likely than not, the King.

[hoary ingot]

I know it’s a game, but I wonder will there ever be a Season where all things fall back into place. Or at least a big event where SkyKids work together and at least one of the realms return to its original state. That would be awesome.

[cobalt palm]

Yes I was thinking that too, as its all over the murals

[frigid tinsel]

the king face looks like it's glowing
Chosen One in the Cave of Prophecy murals, after ascending Eden, gains that same halo as in the new Eden murals (credit to Spade for the compilation image)

[deep osprey]

But then who is this?

[rigid mural]

I feel like the goal is less about returning to the original state of the kingdom and more about healing what's left tbh.

[nimble ingot]

hmm.... That is a good question.

Though I believe there was a mention somewhere by a dev saying that things may not return to the way they were.
But that does not mean that all is lost though.

[hoary ingot]

Oh, that makes more sense.

[deep osprey]

Reminder that on Sky's Birthday we're storming MatPat like a stampede of chibi moths

[keen shore]

Augh, not this again

[hoary ingot]

What’s MatPat 😭

[frigid tinsel]

the wounds of the past are just too deep that even with surgical treatment, the scars are still there. while I don't think skykids are enough to completely clean up the pollution and eliminate the fierce darkness, but they are helping recover what it left, that being the ancestor spirits and the Elders. they flourish in the ruins of the kingdom, making it home and full of light once again.

[keen shore]

Omg I can’t believe they made a gif out of dawn, that’s so sad

[deep osprey]

MatPat from Game Theory

[nimble ingot]

The King

The King of the Sky Kingdoms is supposedly the lost Elder of Eden (formally called Storm in Light Awaits).
Also non-canonically known as Resh from Concept art, they are/were the largest figure in the game. Taller than the Elders.

In Light Awaits, there seems to have been plans for him to be in the final area of Eden, where the skykids can save him. But since the global release, the lore changed and with it, the King is no longer present in the game. Though not gone, as you can see in the Murals and abundant references to him with the diamond theme.

[hoary ingot]

Ohh

[frigid tinsel]

despite the name, not a good game theorist

[nimble ingot]

Good for entertainment, though at the cost of the lore.

[deep osprey]

Wdym he's right 60% of the time

[rigid mural]

Um.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't like those odds

[latent lark]

After all it’s just a theory 😉

[deep osprey]

Better than 50%

[hoary ingot]

Was darkness that catastrophic? Well, of course, since it killed literally all the inhabitants of the Kingdom. But how? Sorry, I may need a complete rundown because I’m curious and confused.

[frigid tinsel]

that's still a failing grade

[rigid mural]

Let's just say the guy aims for clickbait, and he's so popular folks will storm lore chat thinking he's right and a good source...

[latent lark]

Half the time it just comes from what he interprets

[nimble ingot]

Just to clarify, while the idea sounds tempting and exciting. It may not be good for the community to get a theorist involved that is known for ruining the innocence of games (he even says it in the intro a few times).

Look at how much FNAF went with that rollercoaster, and Hello Neighbour.
While they were indie horror games that relied on the players for finding the lore via clues.
This game may be torn to pieces in more ways than the man can think of.

[fickle wing]

every time someone mentions matpat i remember the casito bit from an encanto vid he did and want to strangle something

[latent lark]

Honestly i think those are the developers fault.

[rigid mural]

I mean, MatPat playing Sky wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would make lore chat harder to navigate for sure.

[frigid tinsel]

darkness as a force consumes and holds onto light. for light beings, that's a very not good thing.

I think passive darkness, while still harmful, was not as devastating as the ferocity darkness became after Eden calamity. just look at the hellscape that's Eden, the "greenery" of Wasteland, krill and the leviathan, and the shards that are not erupting from the moutnain.

[nimble ingot]

Think of it.
Would we want to see videos with thumbnails of 'dead children', 'traumatised characters', 'haunting spirits of the past', 'evil elder', 'what is inside a krill', 'pollution' etc.?
And all of that with plug ins and shameless promotion galore.

[latent lark]

Like you lay clues, someone theorizes it, ends up being a bit correct so you change the lore every time just to make it appear as though it part of it wasn’t correct in the first place

[rigid mural]

Okay but to be fair, the lore being vague enough to give us room to interpret it in different ways is what the devs wanted.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think the devs are changing the lore, they're just refusing to confirm anything.

[latent lark]

Not these devs. I’m talking about fnaf and hello neighbor

[nimble ingot]

They most likely have when the realised that their lore was being solved faster than they expected.

[rigid mural]

You can just block him tho, I'm mostly wary of what would change here due to the sudden influx of people taking him at face value

[keen shore]

here are my thoughts on storming matpat to get him to check out sky lore or whatever

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[latent lark]

^ I think ppl are taking matpat too seriously which ruins theorizing for people

[nimble ingot]

credit: Vela

[keen shore]

Even with everything else aside, the general idea of just yelling at him to do this just seems disrespectful to him on the most basic level. I don’t really know the guy that well, but it doesn’t sound good

[rigid mural]

Frantic Stagehand real

[frigid tinsel]

Raider aptly described the clickbaity genre of MatPat's videos. MatPat would bring a perspective that is utterly antithetical to Sky's themes of unity, friendship, compassion, and recovery. it's like when a reddit atheist comes in here raving about Megabird being evil solely because Megabird is considered the god of Sky when that doesn't suit Sky at all.

[nimble ingot]

Salem spotted XD

[keen shore]

am I the cat or the person wearing the cat hood???

[hoary ingot]

How would MB be evil? That’s absurd..

[frigid tinsel]

exactly

[nimble ingot]

That is up to you 🙂

[latent lark]

Honestly yeah for me. There is evidence of that in this game. As long as people remember not to take it seriously, it could help with noting down things that could help with others’ interpretation of the game

[sharp lichen]

The argument that Megabird is evil is just as baffling as… well, you know.

[frigid tinsel]

😎

[latent lark]

But is it so harmful that he touches on the darker side of this game?

Never mind. I can see how it can potentially scare away new/potential players

[keen shore]

Touching on the darker side of the game is ok, but from what I’ve seen of him he overinflates it and makes it seem like the entire Game. Which wouldn’t matter that much, I wouldn’t care, if not for his fans, at least part of whom would come in here and just flood the entire chat with it… it’s already a very small chat, and I would prefer for that not to happen

[sharp lichen]

He could, and that may be fine, but it’s a risk not worth taking. We can Analyse the darker themes of Sky much better than Matpat can

[latent lark]

Ah i see i see.

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes we here touch on the darker side this game, but it is with a respect and oftentimes gentle regard. MatPat’s genre of “dark”appeals to edgy teenagers who don’t have the perspective to look at the distraught and desolation appropriately.

[rigid mural]

There's the darker side of the game (fainting warrior, tearful light miner, Eden...) and there's taking so many shortcuts to make the game sound as dark as possible that it becomes tiring.

[sharp lichen]

If you want to see Sky lore be a bit more popular, than sure. But it needs to be delicate. I had an idea of just moving this channel up a few bits, maybe to the Community section, that’ll get slightly more people but not enough to change it entirely

[hoary ingot]

Darker themes as in death?

[latent lark]

As in eden and the krill pretty much

[frigid tinsel]

Death, environmental desolation, desecration of the sancrosanct, hopelessness, violence, animal abuse

[latent lark]

There’s animal abuse?

[graceful oasis]

Dude do you know how far the Sky rabbit hole goes?

[frigid tinsel]

Would you like to know how power diamonds are made?

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
There is more than one way of approaching the game, which is not often in games like these, nor done successfully.

The lore can be taken seriously, though it would have so many holes if done in a purist fashion (as in, strictly looking at fact and no speculations).
The lore can be taken light heartedly, by filling in the gaps with what may be plausible, though not necessarily confirmed, although would bring up debates and conflicts among those with different opinions.
And the lore can be overlooked entirely, where one may miss out on the mystery and process of finding the story behind the game, though can still enjoy the game regardless.

The game, whether it was intentionally done or not, teaches players that there will always be more to the story, though we may never be able to get the full picture. Therefore, we must accept the way things are that we cannot change, though still strive towards bettering on what we can change.

[hoary ingot]

Given the overall theme of Sky – which is set to be attributed to stages in our lives – to make the game entirely dark, grimacing, or seem evil is complete ludicrous.

[latent lark]

Nope i’m fairly new. I first played a couple of seasons back but as for the lore…i can only make up with what it physically shown in the ruins (excluding murals)

[keen shore]

The thing is that Sky lore does have some darker aspects, however, the entire story is not meant to be dark and depressing if that makes sense — unfortunately, if you go too heavy on the first part, the second part ends up being all you can focus on

[latent lark]

Aahh. Well this motivates me to play even further now

[nimble ingot]

Sadly yes.
There is a well discussed theory on how mantas/butterflies may have been used to either create, or charge power diamonds.

[frigid tinsel]

First two are murals found in Treasure Reef.
Second two are Zhao concepts for, well, you zoom in.

[graceful oasis]

Sorry for my reaction, just my biases I guess….

[latent lark]

No it’s fine. Quite a bit of people are/were eating me up about a darker interpretation. I get it though. It’s just coming from a place of passion and not turning a positive game into dark/edgy one

[frigid tinsel]

Genchat sends blokes here to annoy us, teasing MatPat being one of their common tactics.
Genchat and lorechat don’t get along

[latent lark]

Cuz i like how the game is and how open to interpretation it is

[rigid mural]

Hey look at these blorbos

[keen shore]

There’s a difference between a story having some darker themes to it (like mass death, animal abuse, and so on) which Sky um. Good luck arguing those aren’t in there! And just making the entire story grim for the sake of being grim — a story can be happy and have dark parts. Unfortunately, I see people lean towards the second WAYYY too much

[nimble ingot]

The war between the wall chibis, and the sky gremlins

[sharp lichen]

It involves algebra, the scariest thing of all

[keen shore]

It’s like WL giving you stars but with hairtufts instad

[rigid mural]

You guys are talking about genchat as if they are organized, this place is incredibly chaotic.
I doubt it's more than a handful of folks joking about bothering us, to little fanfare in genchat because it goes so fast

[eternal totem]

“No-hawk”

[latent lark]

Aah. Guess some people’s interpretation can change based on their moods. When they’re not doing so well Sky can pretty much mean death to them, but when in the process of healing, it can mean rebirth (which i think is the central theme)

[hoary ingot]

What did the juicer do

[nimble ingot]

Since when were gremlins ever organised? (Joke)

[graceful oasis]

*Points at the light Creatures and quietly walks away

[frigid tinsel]

put mantas in the juicers and press the on button

[nimble ingot]

well....
Let's just say, it did not end well for the manta.
Hence the dark nature of this kind of theory.

[rigid mural]

Yeah they extracted light from mantas to make artificial stars :(

[hoary ingot]

oh- oh my……

[nimble ingot]

bald eagle XD

[frigid sky]

i have a random question
what are skykids made of / full of?
light? human meat? air? orange juice? endless void? a bunch of rocks?

[rigid mural]

@frigid tinsel

[eternal totem]

I feel like we should start calling the bald hairstyle “no-hawk”

[hoary ingot]

i just don’t understand why they would want to exploit or damage the entire system when everything was at their fingers? Light, stars, clouds, all of that. It was a perfect world

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[latent lark]

Maybe it was because they started becoming too ambitious

[hoary ingot]

Light, I believe. When you take out a candle, it comes from within you.

[waxen quest]

Wait there are chats outside of lorechat and news?

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, think about what's happening irl, why we know what devastation such activities are causing, and people's reluctance to change their behavior to less-destructive means.

[formal oxide]

as any growing civilization does, they too started exploiting resources available to achieve further and further society development

[graceful oasis]

But what about Doors…. Just look at all those high tech doors, flying boats, and epic Memory holding devices?

[keen shore]

It was all the doors fault… ban doors 2022

[latent lark]

Yes. Curtains would be a lovely replacement

[eternal totem]

Self opening curtains at that

[formal oxide]

we too have all the lights stars clouds and animals in the reach but here we are, sitting in front of our phones and computers made of plastic, metal, glass, and barely anything that isn't a highly processed material

[frigid tinsel]

I'm fond of beaded curtains

[rigid mural]

Bead curtains like the Vault setting in the village theater

[eternal totem]

Oh yis beaded curtains

[frigid tinsel]

oooh beaded curtains but the beads are made of light. you recharge a bit passing through the doorway

[rigid mural]

Omg ;;;;

[graceful oasis]

What about light walls.

[hoary ingot]

That too! It just makes me think that the doom of the Kingdom was brought on by its (first) inhabitants – thus affecting the innocent. MB then sent SkyKids down to aid and recover the damage done, giving them wisdom and light along the way to better the Kingdom and make it habitable again. I could be way off. It reminds me of Xianity, even. (I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that, my apologies).

[frigid tinsel]

Christianity

[rigid mural]

Glow worms

[hoary ingot]

Yes, that’s what I meant. I just abbreviated it.

[latent lark]

Though i like the idea, wouldn’t that need a form of power like the doors?

[frigid tinsel]

worms on the string but they're glow worms

[rigid mural]

Makes me wanna paint a sky-inspired subterranean environment.

[graceful oasis]

Rituals, high amount of rituals.

[latent lark]

Welp. As long as it won’t damage the environment

[hoary ingot]

So are krill just extremely abused mantas that evolved into what they are today?

[eternal totem]

They’re small light beads, I wouldn’t think so, you probably might want to switch out the beads like lightbulbs

[latent lark]

I like to think of them as the big pill bug thingies in Nausicaa of the valley of the wind

[graceful oasis]

Maybe honestly, or they are just things that exist from the darkness around places… honestly Krill are weird

[latent lark]

They knock the light out of ya. Maybe they’re malfunctioned bio-rumbas, like they see something holding the light and so they’re like “hey! Return that to the world, light snatcher! >:(“

[rapid arrow]

The take of krills are rumbas are something that I have not seen before/lh

[hoary ingot]

In my extremely early moth days, I thought Krill was a species that included both crab and krill 💀

[graceful oasis]

Krill are technically called Dark Dragons….

[rustic glen]

I have a theory that the "eye" krills have are actually power diamonds, and they detect light to consume it, and turn red pretty much like the huge diamond in eden (which apparently is in a "draining light" state). This could also mean that krills were an experiment made by the civilization to haunt light creatures or something like that

[latent lark]

Have we seen eden’s eye in a non-draining light state? Like in a cutscene or a memory yet?

[short sparrow]

They made a bad thing to scare the good thing?

[rustic glen]

I remember seeing a blue version of it from a beta screenshot or something similar, the elders were in it

[latent lark]

Very interesting

[rustic glen]

I dunno, but it's true that ancestors were capturing light creatures, maybe they created the krills to haunt them and it backfired

Or they were experimenting with light creatures+ diamonds and created krill by accident

[hoary ingot]

I like that theory. But it breaks my heart because mantas are so harmless. If only they’d spent that energy on trying to obtain the knowledge the Kingdom had to offer, I think Sky would’ve turn out very differently.

[graceful oasis]

What if Krill were machines-
^
|
Note, this is not my theory, I remember it from somewhere

[rustic glen]

Also I believe that the megadiamond in eden was at first used to power the exodus ark they were making, but it exploted by unknown reasons

[hoary ingot]

Exodus ark?

[latent lark]

Maybe they have a really close connection to eden’s eye, and so they were the only ones to become corrupted by eden turning red? I like to the the krill are also closely related to the elders/spirits/sky kids……unless this was a thing people already knew

[rapid arrow]

I have the theory that krill are born from the dying of light creature, and spirits, that wer smushed under fallen buildings, mixed in with polluted water

[rustic glen]

It's sad yes, but I'm comforted by the fact that they in some way learned from their mistakes. We have some evidence in vault were they decided to catalog information and not mess with light creatures anymore, and focus on giving resources and knoledge to the next generation

[rustic glen]

Eden is actually a huge boat they were making to escape and ascend to megabird. I read it in concept art somewhere

[latent lark]

What’s a megabird

[hoary ingot]

Escape their mistake?

[hoary ingot]

Sort of like the “god” of Sky. The one who sent SkyKids down to aid the land.

[latent lark]

Ah. So we’re all little birdies then

[hoary ingot]

Please let one of the vet theorists confirm that 😭. I’m just now learning all this today.

[rustic glen]

It's the amalgamation of light creatures that ascend and return to the stars, it can be seen in the final cutscene of the game or "orbit". It's like the god of the game, but it's more of a mix of light creatures than anything else. The fandom calls it megabird because it looks like a bird lol

[latent lark]

Oooohhh that’s the megabird! I never noticed how it looked like a bird. I think i was too busy trying to get a screenshot instead of actually enjoying it 😂

[rapid arrow]

What do you want confirmed?

[rustic glen]

yeah they f___ed up so much that they couldn't live there anymore xD or at least that's my theory

[latent lark]

Technically they succeeded. Just not in the way they thought

[hoary ingot]

The character of Megabird, that it is the “god” of Sky.

[rustic glen]

I don't think they are 100% machines. Maybe just a light creature (whale or big manta) that the ancestors manipulated with power diamonds. We know that skykids (and the king) can be corrupted by diamonds, so maybe that's what happened to krills, ence the diamond eye theory

[quick torrent]

I think crabs can be used as evidence that the krill were corrupted, since they seem to find themselves in the process of turning corrupt (crabs covered in darkness, attacking the player) and being unaffected, and season of shattering shows crabs in a state that the krill are probably in now

[hoary ingot]

I thought MB was that big ball of light from Orbit in the cutscene.

[rustic glen]

yeah that's it

[hoary ingot]

Wow, that’s crazy. So, would that explain all the pipes and broken fragments in Eden?

[rustic glen]

We are all part of megabird uwu

[rustic glen]

I was actually talking about the kingdom of sky in general (especially wasteland), I believe eden is pretty much destroyed because of the megadiamond explosion

[hoary ingot]

This makes the game even more enjoyable and satisfying tbh

[rustic glen]

btw i found out that this statue has scales!

[hoary ingot]

Ah, I see.

[rapid arrow]

We know that Megabird is a big part of sky, they might’ve created the world? . All we know is that we were sent down to help return the fallen stars.

Also for those wondering this is Megabird

[rustic glen]

yeahh the small lore hints in the game are what excites me the most ^^

[hoary ingot]

How come?

[rustic glen]

no idea! the other home statues across the game don't have them. Maybe it's just a sanctuary thing to match the whole tropical island aesthetic

[hoary ingot]

Ohhhh

[rigid mural]

The scales here look like the cape ones when we recharge

[rustic glen]

yeahh

[torn eagle]

ho an active lore discussion, what we havin? 🧐

[hoary ingot]

Megabird, mistakes of the ancestors, etc

[torn eagle]

+-+

[rustic glen]

yeah it's kinda my first time interacting here ^-^ I always used to just read once in a while

[latent lark]

It’s confirmed that the megabird is sentient right?

[graceful oasis]

We have no idea…

[torn eagle]

ayyye

@latent lark in the concept art it was said that megabird sent us down, it would imply that it has intellect and therefore sentience

[rustic glen]

I think is like a huge organism made out of souls/light creatures, like a common living being with cells (the cells being the many ascended creatures and souls). Maybe as a whole it operates as one single being

[latent lark]

Alrighty thank ye three!

[slim plume]

Concept art lore (though usually helpful because we barely have anything to work off of in the current game) should always be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not saying that it's wrong, I'm just pointing out that you're making it seem like it's fact when we really don't know.

Personally, I see the diamond as the result of the Eden King wanting to grant the denizens of sky infinite light to power their machines/tech/etc. and things went awry from there. You see it differently. Both of our reasonings are valid, it's just important to note when things are fact, no question (like how Megabird sent skykids to fix/reinhabit what's left of the ruined kingdom), and when things are a bit more vague and up to interpretation

[river crystal]

Did anybody else notice that in area where the shard sends you, On the darkside there’s only krills, while the lightside had manta, jellyfish,and butterflies. Does this mean crabs aren’t bad? Because most of the time they mind their own business(kinda like cats)? Would this make them the middle man between good and bad?

[hoary ingot]

Given the spirits, seasonal and regular, where are the other inhabitants of Sky? Shouldn’t there be way more

[hoary ingot]

Interesting. I’d like to know, too.

[river crystal]

And seeing how the crabs get corrupted I’m curious to see what would happen to butterflies or fish if they accidentally got corrupted

[sharp lichen]

Gameplay-wise, it’s due to limitations. You can’t just create hundreds of spirits.

Lore-wise, maybe these are the only spirits left. The others probably died entirely, with no remains left.

[torn eagle]

actually crabs are accompanied with flying dark plants

[river crystal]

Because manta changed into a whole entire different species

[hoary ingot]

I was speaking in Lore terms. Thank you!

Where are Traveling Spirits traveling from and do they go back to orbit when they leave?

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re descending back to our world. I believe that once you relive a spirit’s memories, they can freely ascend and descend to the world as they wish

[frigid tinsel]

They arrive at Homespace then return to Orbit/the Light

[visual lichen]

Maybe the spirits, we find are the only ones that matter. Every spirit memory we relive, is either a crucial part of sky's history, or works in tandom with the murals. In my opinion, spirit memories fill in gaps the murals leave us with, or help us to visualize what the murals are depicting. I'm not saying who is important and who is not, that's just how I see it.

[visual lichen]

You will always find the seasonal spirits, on the map where the season took place. I could be wrong, but so far, I can go and buy hearts from most seasonal spirits. And after death on the way to orbit you fly past them.

[frigid tinsel]

You can find their spirit memories around the map, but that’s not the spirits themselves

[lusty merlin]

oftopic from the current topic but its about the season memory
so i don't know how accurate this is, but for the memory for the first quest i found a common symbolism, many sites say is that since jellyfish rise to the surface it symbolizes the the surfacing and healing of painful memories. maybe that's that's happening; as the season goes on we'll see memories that were painful yet whoever is having these memories will heal from them, just a hunch🤷‍♀️

alot of other sites said different things but this one was the only one that was found across all of them

[rustic glen]

yes, it's just a theory based on old concept art. Although eden still looks pretty much like a huge boat to me. Your theory is very interesting too btw

[rustic glen]

Krills may be a mystery but crabs are the biggest mistery in sky creature-wise for me 💀💀

[rustic glen]

I think so too! It's like they enjoy expending time with skykids, I find it to be very cute ^^

[slim plume]

To be fair, Eden is so ruined and dark that it's really hard to tell what it was before the Storm. Though I don't believe in the 'Exodus' theory, I do like how you integrate it in the little lore we get!

[quick torrent]

Aside from cosmetics and the spirits and skids, are there any evidence of more land based life like deer or rabbits, maybe even a mythical animal?

[hot dragon]

Erm, wasn't there a spirit with a bow in forest hunting or smth? I could be misremembering

[frigid tinsel]

Dismayed Hunter

[slim plume]

There was/is! Dismayed Hunter, aka purple cape! Not sure what they were hunting, but they did have a bow! I'm pretty sure Apologetic Lumberjack scared away whatever they were hunting by felling that giant tree

[hot dragon]

I think i invented a memory of there being a deer there haha. Maybe the spirit of the forest(?) from BotW is what i was thinking of lol

[rigid mural]

Well, the Gratitude ultimate gift does depict a deer...

[frail marten]

Where can i read/see that concept art? That sounds so interesting!

[frail marten]

Also i always thought crabs are little krill babys 🙈 but that doesnt get along with the corruption theory

[hot dragon]

check pinned messages! lotsa cool stuff

[rustic glen]

I was about to say that! Also Tom Zhao's stuff is pretty great too if that's not already in the pinned messages

[sharp lichen]

Hey Hypoch!

[visual lichen]

Besides it's eyes, things face actualy resembles a real life whale

[hoary ingot]

Zhao’s stuff is so cool! I like it better then the designs we have in game

[rustic glen]

I forgot about Forgotten caves! (pun intended). I should go check them out, I never really paid much attention to the murals there. And about the abyss lab, it's such an interesting area! so much hidden lore 😋😋

[visual lichen]

But the crabs are still a mystery, where did they realy originate, and how did they get everywhere?

[hoary ingot]

Where can you find this? Is it harmful?

[rustic glen]

After the final quest it is in the deepest part of the abyss, and I believe it's harmless but I'm not really sure. I really should revisit that area 😅😅

[visual lichen]

No totally gentle. Go to abyss, and just keep going down. When it looks like you at the floor keep going down the screen will go black and a shirt cutscene will start with your skid diving. You'll see it come up from the deep. Totally harmless I tried to touch it, no damage at all, it didn't even notice me hehehe

[rustic glen]

They look so much like rocks, maybe it has something to do with the earth? I guess we'll never know

In this concept art from the animation project teaser it also looks like they have some writing on them

[hoary ingot]

Given that they always pop out from underground, I believe that crabs are fragmented parts of Eden or darkness that came to life (like plants). They can be stunned by light, like plants can be burned by light. I know that’s wild, but it’s off the top of my head.

[visual lichen]

Maybe it was an artificial light experiment gone wrong. But has anyone noticed that turtle is also made of stone, both shell and body are stone like the crabs. Whatever the elders were capable of, they managed to embue light into rock, like the boats.

[rustic glen]

That actually makes some sense 😳😳

[hoary ingot]

Oof, my first theory 😭

[raw crypt]

Theres some ideas that crabs are somehow related to bells due to sharing the markings in the concept art and running around in circles before attacking

[rustic glen]

I also heard somewhere (by a dev I think) that the way they move has a meaning behind their nature. Crabs are so intriguing!

[hoary ingot]

You can see that they have some sort of lettering inscribed on them. So maybe it could be that after the Eden explosion, the bits of building and stone scatted all over the land. Over time, darkness poisoned the rock embedded underground and it came to life, creating crabs. I could be way off 😭

[visual lichen]

Honestly to me, and don't get me wrong here, the crab reminds me of a stone golem. It even has writing on its head like the Hebrew clay golems. Could it have been an experiment gone wrong. Maybe it was the elders experiments misfiring that caused the cataclysm.

[rustic glen]

That could be true, but we don't know if the engravings where in the rock already or if the ancestors carved the words in the crab themselves

[rustic glen]

I like the "experiment gone wrong" theory, I have a similar theory about krills

[visual lichen]

Or maybe mother nature got tired of the stars messing with her desighns and reality itself turned on the elders, bringing darkness and destructive storms.

[hoary ingot]

True. Maybe the inscriptions were like tags when experimenting.

[visual lichen]

I mean it makes sence, kills were locked up there too, and they not in the mural. Maybe they are a mutation of manta left overs seeking revenge on thier murderers hahahaha

[rustic glen]

Ultimate theory: crabs were actually pets and the inscriptions are actually name tags 🧐

[hoary ingot]

I actually like this. Seeing that Sky is all about life and so closely related and symbolic to and of our actual Earth, this could be possible. Earth is basically doing the same to us right now.

[hoary ingot]

Wait, that’s actually kinda cool! 😂

[visual lichen]

Wow mind blown, that is so good hahahaha I would of never thought of that hehehehe

[hoary ingot]

What are the origin of floating jelly fish?

[rustic glen]

just common light creatures ig

[hoary ingot]

Wait, I actually think I have a theory for that. You all know how some parts of Sky are frozen in time right? Maybe some areas of Sky were flooded or full of water, and when the water receded over time, the jelly fish stayed in place. They never move, only spin around. Or after the explosion, they got thrown out of the water and stayed there. Idk 💀

[visual lichen]

Right!? Cause the elders and other stars didn't make sky, they just settled in it. And then like us became industrial, the evidence is clear they used light as a power sorce, as for where it came from, or who or what it was made of stats a mystery.

[fierce kettle]

Jellyfish got stuck and decided not to waste energy on it 💀

[rustic glen]

That's a fun theory! Light creatures are so fish-like though, mantas and whales are supposed to be underwater too, but they can live in the surface just fine. I think jellyfish are like that too

[visual lichen]

I agree, the murals in forest 1st area in the tunnel by the boats, shows there was a river going through forest all the way to the temple. And I asked myself the other day, what happend to the river?

[rustic glen]

I love this symbolism in the game, makes you think about how it reflects our acts as humans too, in both a social and environmental level

[hoary ingot]

Speaking of Mother Earth, I just got bit by a spider. How ironic 💀

[visual lichen]

Ooooh mother nature is on a roll, both phisicaly and digitaly hahahaha

[rustic glen]

I'm heading to sleep now. This was so much fun guys, it has been great theorising with you. See ya!

[visual lichen]

Oh speaking of water, seeing as it's all beach sand, who here also thinks Isle of dawn used to be ocean floor?

[visual lichen]

Good night thanks had fun too. I love this group hehehe

[sharp lichen]

Possibly, but it has to be a long time ago, like thousands of years ago. Because in the Switch trailer, we see Isle above the surface

[visual lichen]

Or maybe it's just baren cause if the salt water? Like sand dunes by the ocean. I must admit it bugs me that I cant figure that out. But here's a theory about the water. So the kingdoms of sky are in between clouds which you'd agree is made of water and we can't see an actual solid land mass. Now my theory is that before the stars descended it was just clouds, then they parted the clouds and found that there was land and animals in between it all. So they built barriers to keep the clouds apart, which I like to pretend that's why the wind blows you back onto the map. It's a rough theory but it's a work in progress hahahaha. That would explain the jellies who have evolved to live out of water, and the whale and manta being able to fly.

[sharp lichen]

I like this theory, but I know nothing about Sky geography so I can’t really cover it

[visual lichen]

But, I have another theory and it's very dark. Have you ever read Dantes inferno? Each ring of heck he descended into got worse and worse. The way each map gets more and more desolate and hostile reminds me if that. I wonder if there is a connection?

[latent lark]

I had to read that book in english class. Very interesting

[visual lichen]

Sure there a 9 rings of heck, I say that so I don't get sensored, sure there are 9 rings in Dante's inferno and only 7 in sky, but wind paths is added onto forest that makes 8, and Starlight desert was added to vault, that makes 9. Now you would say, but Hypoch other kingdoms have extra maps too. I say yes, true, but none of those are as unique and all resemble the area they are connected to, except those two maps. So at the end of the day I count 9 full separate realms/kingdoms. And now they didn't add a new map with this season. So it remains 9. 9 rings of heck.

Hehehehehe

Plus when you start the first map, you start on a ferry

[sharp lichen]

You do???

[keen shore]

Iirc you can say hell in this server

[visual lichen]

Yea without a Ferry man sure but the symbolism is there

[latent lark]

Very interesting take

[visual lichen]

Oh no sorry I'm wrong you just start on a beach with the ocean behind you.

[sharp lichen]

It could be just a coincidence however, as Wind Paths and Starlight Desert were introduced very recently

[visual lichen]

But like I said the symbolism is there, the skid didn't swim there hehehehe.

[visual lichen]

True but they stopped adding maps after the last season. So far no new maps hehehe so even if they are fairly new I wo t be convinced otherwise until they add a new map hahahaha

[sharp lichen]

Shattering does have the weird black space thing, which is… somewhere? In the Sky world? Uh, can someone help me on where they’re located

[keen shore]

I do definitely disagree with the whole idea of there only being 2 unique seasonal areas — of the top of my head, treasure reef is also very unique from the rest of wasteland. The rest definitely stand out as well - ark, sanctuary, and the cave of prophecies are all noticeably distinct from their main realm in my eyes, but in terms of blaring differences like the ones you mentioned, treasure reef is DEFINITELY on that list.

Also side note, the way we get to isle to start is that our star falls in home, and then we walk through the portal to go on the beach. No ferry is involved; however, Dawn does have a fair amount of ferry symbolism behind them especially in concept art

[visual lichen]

ooh I know I know, remember when you die in eden you fall into darkness and hug your other self? Same place. I think. Looks the same

[keen shore]

Also another note is that the realms definitely don’t get more desolate and hostile as you progress, from my perspective. Isle (starting realm) is probably the most desolate with wasteland and Eden (third to last and last) tied in second place short behind; I don’t think it’s a linear progression as you mentioned. In terms of hostility, wasteland and Eden are near the end, but there’s also forest at the beginning; they aren’t consecutively after the other and a linear progression like the current analogy would imply.

out of curiosity, have you seen the whole concept art piece about each realm being based off a different stage of life yet?

[visual lichen]

Yea I did correct myself with the Isle of dawn didn't I? Hehehe. All I'm saying is Starlight desert is in vault, Vault is a tower not a desert, that means you heading into a different place completely. And wind paths is so very different from forest its not part of forest, and it is a whole different landscape and concept entirely. Two maps very different from the maos they connected to, as for treasure reef, yes it's unique and not much like the rest of wasteland, but I see it as the borders of wasteland, just outside the perimeter of corruption. Those 2 maps I mentioned are so very unique they have no actual ties to the maps they connected to unlike all the others. As for cave of prophecy, even though it's a cave, it matches the rest of Isle of dawn, sand and rocks the trials themselves don't count in this senario . But that's just me, I'm not saying that sky is a depiction of Dante's inferno, it just reminds me if it. So to me I see 9 realms.

[sharp lichen]

This does feel a bit subjective, though. Especially the excluding Treasure Reef part, you seem to sail to a different land entirely

[visual lichen]

Hmm you both are right. OK throw that theory in the wood chipper hahahaha

Change if subject, what the hell is this things name and what is it exactly? Is it a mutant centipede manda hybrid? 🤔😁

BTW I used a recharge spell after death, now doesnt this place look familiar. Same dimension as our season spirit perhaps.

[narrow crescent]

These are often called whales.

And about you picture below, I often see this called Limbo or the Void. It’s basically a spot stuck in between life and death, or something/someone simply waiting for something to happen, as they are unable to do anything else at that moment.

The player is also taken to this place after being eaten by the giant Abyss monster in the final quest, said player having all of their wing power removed, due to damage taken.

As seen in that Abyss quest and the new season, Limbo/Void also houses frozen memories. I’m not sure about how that works entirely, though.

[gleaming glacier]

It seems like there’s no specific conditions to end in Limbo, considering whenever you die you end up there- and can willingly warp there with the season guide

[thorny zealot]

Limbo...
I like that name..

[keen shore]

My theory on how there’s memories inside limbo is that it takes place inside the Eden Diamond. since the Diamond is made of darkstone which stores light, and light in Sky is what makes up spirits and their memories, it can store those inside itself, & might have even stored them automatically (like how the corrupted darkstone tries to steal our light when we ascend up the mountain)

[next terrace]

I had a thought about Starlight Desert.

You know when you go to the stage but of the desert and there is five mirrors? What if those mirrors represented the five other elders? I had an idea that Resh, before being confined into big rock doom, may have built that space as a place for his most trusted advisors and best friends….
Then possibly he thought that it would keep them safe from rock doom.

Someone please offer your thoughts im highly interested.

[gleaming glacier]

Ooo that’s an interesting thought

I do think Resh had better relationships with certain elders over others so I can see him wanting to protect them

[next terrace]

True hmmm

[rocky granite]

This is probably way off topic by now but im gonna respond anyway
Im not sure if isle was the ocean floor but i think its sandy because of desertification i made an instagram post about it if you're interested

[gleaming glacier]

I hope Shattering gives us more lore on Resh cause this is the perfect time man

Also I just want King lore

[slate saffron]

Agree immensely yes this

[fair knot]

Saw you guys talking about crabs .... I have a theory that they were treated like cows by the old civilization, based on what we can see around the sky realms.
As we can see in the Sanctuary Islands the crabs outside thee caves, that are exposed into direct sunlight, don't hurt us, maybe they do photosynthesis like plants, and those inside caves need other sources of light to eat, just like those crabs with candles inside the cave in hidden forest ... And maybe those crabs outside the fallen boat, at Golden Wasteland, where being transported to be breeded and feed them in the area they were running to.
(Pardon my broken english)

[gleaming glacier]

Photosynthesis crabs sound so cute

[short sparrow]

Just a random question; Since we learn every time with new spirits the expressions like waving and laughing just by looking at them, why can't we learn it from other players? since we can also look at them doing it

[polar forge]

Instead of dark flakes there could be flowers

[sharp lichen]

I think it's because we treat the spirits like sort-of father figures, so we learn stuff from them. However, we don't learn 100% of the expressions from spirits. In certain quests (Dreams 5th and Performance 4th), we can use expressions from spirits we haven't learnt.

[short sparrow]

First: I like your pfp
Second: "treat the spirits like a sort-of father figures" is the sweetest thing I've seen and did not thought about it

[sharp lichen]

Thank you, it's from Ninjago. And of course, some spirits are probably better at being father figures than others (ASSEMBLY)

[short sparrow]

I still haven't conclude the assembly quests

[sharp lichen]

Assembly spirits would teach you how to make flamethrowers than demonstrate how you can use it

[short sparrow]

Now I just want to see a Moth with a huge flamethrower 3x their size

[gleaming glacier]

Imagine a chibi with a flamethrower

[regal forge]

Do you think you could like…. steal the crystals on the backs of shattering crabs….? Or are they attached.
Asking for a friend no other reason-

[gleaming glacier]

I’m not sure about the crystal crabs- I have a headcanon they’re in pain because of the crystals though and that’s why they’re so angry

I wanna help the babies

[novel marten]

I was actually thinking about this earlier today…

If crabs were originally light creatures, the dark crabs we are familiar with are like a corrupted version of them right? But the crabs in eye of Eden are just normal dark crabs, not the spiky ones. What gives?

Are the crystal crabs a new species that has only emerged now that Eden storms are more frequent and have greater range, or are they a species that has just been forgotten about?

I personally think it’s the former but it’s really fun to think about anyways, and maybe as the season goes on we would have answers too

[gleaming glacier]

We need a Season of Answers

[waxen quest]

My headcanon(s) is that the crystal crabs are either dead ones brought back to live by crystals or they are already like that are are just thrown along with crystals and plants

[umbral storm]

So you know how when you take someone's hand, you control their movements? It's like mind control, almost complete loss of mobility and outside function unless you specifically make an emote before or after the leader makes an emote, because otherwise the leader will override it

I wonder how that feels, because apparently it's so comfortable, lots of kids will fall asleep as they're being led around

[gleaming glacier]

My friend noticed you can hear a heartbeat when you’re holding another player’s hand, wonder if that has to do with anything

[tough coral]

i mean honestly so would cackling cannoneer

[violet sundial]

Actually i drew something kinda like that before! what if crabs r just the outer shell of some light plant

[umbral storm]

Oh my gosh-

THAT MAKES IT EVEN BETTER!!

[visual lichen]

Sorry I forgot to add a mural last night.
So first we see the huge whale thing, I like to call the discovery, then is the diagram of the facility, stoor rooms, labs or cells. Then the very last, I need opinion of others, as to me it akl looks like a laboratory, anyways in this mural it looks like they were using the manta to charge thier light technology, like living batteries. Now the question is were did the dark dragons come from? Could they be an offshoot of the whale in the abyss, eggs or hatchling that were corrupted? When I went close to the whale, it's body resembles the dark dragons "Krill". The similarities are uncanny. Or is it what I said earlier, that they are buts and pieses of manta remains, reconstituted by darkness to seek revenge. I like my baby whale theory more as it's the most plausible. You might say no, but if you look closely the whale has feet exactly like the Krill, even the body of the whale is shrimp like just like the Krill.

There is still something in that broken light house, that I would love to explore, seeing as the devs put a very obvious door on top of it, that cannot open.

[gleaming glacier]

Yesss the door in the lighthouse

[visual lichen]

Mommy Krill, original form before corruption?

[visual lichen]

Yes two lamps to light, no way to light it, giant door that can't open. What is inside? Qurious as heck and exited to find out one day

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea So I have a simple thought about the Guide this season. It is called the Void of shattering… and it is and this thing is the diamond from ||Eden||. This diamond is a A Rock in a way, but a constantly buzzing rock that red on the outside, taking in light and holding it constantly. The dark rocks we encounter currently in the Shattering hold memories… and they are from Eden….
So here is a dumb idea… The Void of Shattering is a place we been entering for a while, mostly descending to meet ||The shiny boy that gives us light in Eden to go and guide others up to Space||.
This Void is probably the inner space of the Diamond, a place light and dark are held on to, memories being within… but this space has been disrupted several times over by us. We are beings of a shell and light, and we regain some form of light that guides us out and allows for others to get out of stone. So dragging out this light disrupts the fragile existence of the Diamonds space. So over time, it breaks, and breaks, until it starts to burst… Light is going through it, and not staying… and darkness is just staying with no counterbalance….
The Void of Shattering is revealing the Cracks of old that caused it to form, this stormy Rock Diamond that takes in light and holds memories we haven’t fully seen….

Ya I just typed nonsense again.

[fair knot]

Wowwwwwwwww Amazing

[copper saffron]

exactly
the place is called "ancient memory - a piece of memory frozen inside eye of eden"
lorechat yall can do what you want with that knowledge

[visual lichen]

Maybe it is indeed limbo, or somewhere between life and rebirth.

[graceful oasis]

Sighs quietly and grabs table to go Oobs

……Sunglasses make sense in every way possible with how Sky is mostly about light.

[gleaming glacier]

No this isn’t nonsense this is cool

[graceful oasis]

Thanks and honestly… the space we enter in Eden is very much like the Place we teleport into for the event cosmetics… The way we enter them is in different ways, but I believe they are mostly likely the same. Since both areas feature the reflective floor, and the rock particles swirling around, as well the white sky in a way… but another thing is the New space floor also recovers your winged light, which I think is important for some reason.

[dawn owl]

I gotta know what the interpretation of the new season is for everyone lore wise

[nimble ingot]

Wonfering if TGC was trying to introduce us skykids to corrupted spirits because of the colour conditioning. With Blue being a spirit, but red being the colour corruption.

Or if it is red, because it is a spectral version of the eden crystal, whichbmay mean that the crystal was able to create projections. Making it similar to the memory lanterns.

[dawn owl]

I haven’t been playing the game all to long so idk what to expect from it and I’m highly hoping this is where we see the Eden elder as far as I know he is considered cannon but we have not seen him in game yet it’d be a cool concept if the other elders placed him in the Eden crystal and after all this time of us basically offering our lives to it weakened the shell and allowed the Eden elder to gain power and break free

[graceful oasis]

The Diamond in the new space is calm, broken and less unstable… somehow….
The Diamond outside the space is red, buzzing and just existing like it wants to explode and reveal its secrets.

[gleaming glacier]

I hc the king is sealed/trapped inside Eden’s crystal and the shattering is him breaking free but that’s just me desperately wanting anything involving Resh lol

[faint warren]

Messing around the Trial of water, I tested that indeed we die in that trial when the water reaches our sky kid's chest, where their light is

And I've been thinking about how sensitive to cold are the lights of sky kids

The water in trial of water has quite a lot of ice and snow, it's gotta be freezing
What if the rain in Hidden forest is not actually polluted? What if the rain makes us pretty cold? It sounds a little dumb, but it could explain why the rain there slowly drains our light but swimming on the ponds of water doesn't. There's that one spirit too

I just thought of this and I just feel like I gotta share

[copper saffron]

that's how i see it. skykids are susceptible to cold

[gleaming glacier]

Ohh that’s interesting

[faint warren]

Glad I'm not the only one!

[short sparrow]

Someone need to draw this

[copper saffron]

there is one sky meme of this

[torn flare]

What's price of firework staff

[tight hatch]

#questions-and-help could probably answer you

[torn flare]

Crud, wrong channel, sorry guys

[next terrace]

Where is the lighthouse how have i not heard of this

[floral grove]

I will bring a hammer in my next trip to GW to test this theory out

[floral grove]

The "whale" and the Krills both have jagged bodies due to being corrupted by Darkness. Symbolically, spiky structures and rough surfaces in the game equate to the dangerousness of the object (i.e the Krills)

Anyways, I like the theory that Krills could be baby "whales" but I don't think that's the case, sadly. The "whale" has multiple eyes and a long body with a pair of legs in each segment. The Krill has one eye and a short body with only a handful of legs. Krills are just too physiologically diffent from the "whales" to be considered as related imo. Although, there is a theory that Krills came from the creatures seen at the start of the Switch trailer, mainly because both the Krill and the thing have one eye

[visual lichen]

I dont think the wale is corrupted, it doesn't seep or ooze darkness like the corrupted creatures, and it's not because its under water, Krill under water still ooz out corruption. What I meant is its not a direct descendant of the whale, but more of a mutated sub species, after years of being corrupted evolution took a different path in a physiological way as you described.
I'm not saying I'm wrong, it's just that the two species are similar in a lot of ways, both bosy structure is the same, and although it looks like the Krill have more legs, remember they are much much smaller than the whale. Scale them together and the only difference is the head. But I appreciate your feed back.
Why don't we see creatures like the one in the Pic, in sky. The concept is brillient, and should be incorporated, don't you agree?

[outer hare]

bobbit

[visual lichen]

Omg Omg omg, I just watched the trailer and wow, it answered a lot of questions. Now sky seems like a very morbid game, a the LA dscaoe even more desolate than I previously thought.
So answers to previous descussions.
#1 yes the crabs are bells, or at least some kind of bell statue that was animated. PS, they originate from forest probably according to the trailer, but are still very different to the crabs we have now.
#2 no the Isle of dawn was not ocean floor, it was lush and green and was a settlement.
Thankbyou sajain_j, the trailer helped answer a lot of questions. As for the creature you said the Krill came from, it plausible, seeing as they do have one eye, but the bodies are far from similar, as the creature looked more manta than anything else, so I can't believe the Krill came from them. As that creature has 4 wings not feet.

[rigid mural]

It's the tallest building in the Treasure Reef, can't miss it !
When there's a quest here, that's also where the other end of the rainbow is

[visual lichen]

Yea same place you find the wings.

[rigid mural]

I like to think crabs were bells too, but it's also possible they just inhabit them like hermit crabs !

[gray oriole]

Man I get why sky doesn't look like the trailer but I'd give everything for a season that gives a glimpse into that time (in terms of the nature in the realm, the animals and the constructs)

Also I could totally see them be hermit crabs and it would be such a cute concept too

[frail marten]

Guys sorry if already asked, but what do yall think, why does it always rain in the forest? It seems like it wasnt always like that.. bevause in the last area we can "fix it" and then the jellys come back and stuff
Also the rain hurts us but not the water.. (i read the theory that its the cold that takes our light, not the water.. but wouldnt that include the water thats at the ground of forest? Bc its from the cold rain?
I hope this all makes sense guys ^^

[hushed steeple]

The rain is acidic and a few living species can get over it, mantas, birds, us. Jellyfishes who are mostly made of water might have so much drained from the rain that they couldn't hold their own light and died become jellyfish spirits.

The rain is from the clouds of Eden's rage (the clouds that formed from the Eden explosion. Resulting to a general flooding arround the kingdom. That's why when you look behind you when spawning in Dawn, you can only see water, that's why abyss mine is flooded. And why there's much decor in the switch trailer we cannot see.

Also, a fact of the old sky society, they were nommad. And only most riches could buy a house.

[slim plume]

Alasdair has a theory on this that's also really cool!

[keen wren]

I was under the impression that the rain in forest and dark water in wasteland was pollution from during the time of the ancestors. Wasteland is covered in pipes that could have been kinda like sewage drains to dump any waste created by the ancestors and their technology?

[harsh pecan]

Same

[regal forge]

Theory that the crystal crabs are just like little sea urchins that pick up hats except this time the hat was a power boost

[regal forge]

Hey, daylight prairie doesn’t have the red corrupted crystals or the crystal crabs-
Is it similar to sanctuary with friendly crabs? The direct sunlight maybe?

[slim plume]

Probably, since crabs are the "neutral" creatures of sky

[regal forge]

I lied it has the scary crystals now-
My pure goodness was just so strong it scared them away

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lorechat! I have a theory on the destruction of the Sky Kingdom and the reason why the realms look like they do, at least in terms of enviroments, I have no idea on what causes the time to freeze.

[jolly phoenix]

im assuming crabs are passive creatures and don't attack. the crabs in sanctuary's water islands off to the side do not attack because there is no contact with dark plants or dark water.

the crabs in the caves of sanctuary attack because there is dark plant corruption in certain areas
it's also shown in Wasteland, with the numerous dark crabs in the water. they're not necessarily bad or evil, the dark water makes them sick.
its the same as the shards, the mutated crabs were corrupted by the darkness because of it.

also, what kind of theory?

[hushed steeple]

In theory we know that the Elders had something to do in bringing the downfall to sky. Yet, it wasn't the darkstone production or the pollution, it might've helped tough. As we know in prophecy four elemental lights are given to the elders by the king, who were given to him by megabird/SKYGOD. Seeing as the lights come from them, they might've made the ancestors lose controls of these gifts due to the abuse of light creatures and interrrumpting the 'circle of light'. Henceforth the lights went beserk and destroyed the realms. The wasteland was burned down by the light given to the Wasteland Elder, even the darkness of the mind (creatures in the fire trial) might have created the Krill by haunting/manipulating whale remains, like a ghost. The valley twins controlled the light of wind who froze the valley into the barren frozen land we see today. The forest was flooded by the light of water, which is why rain hurts us and the forest floor is basically flooded. Then, since Prairie was mercifull and even benevolent toward light creatures, the prairie succumbed to mild earthquakes, explaining why there aren't any murals, they're buried. However, the earthquakes backfired and sunk the Isle of dawn and the Sanctuary Islands under the sea level. Then we have Eden, who in the eyes of megabird created this mess and launched a combination of the four calamities that shook Sky to the Capital of the kingdom, Mount Eden.

[jolly phoenix]

hmm

[hushed steeple]

Any comments?

[jolly phoenix]

a few things

the shadows in the trial of fire are not shown anywhere else outside of the trial, not in any murals.

the krill were shown to exist even before the corruption of light creatures as seen in the mural in the prophecies cave, but not as frequently.
a majority of krill came to be because of the experiments shown in Treasure reef, of the ancestors experimenting on manta. the multiwinged manta we see in the murals and in the fourth floor of vault with Waste's constellation make it evident that krill became much more common because of it, and they(the ancestors) sealed off that side of Reef because of it.

[hushed steeple]

So the weak point is the Krills?

[jolly phoenix]

forest was implied to have rain beforehand as seen with it's architecture, and there are certain areas we can see where there Would be water pools(i.e, the bridges, the first area,)

and as for valley, it was shown to be snowy also due to it's architecture and culture(i.e. sports) being centered around the snow in it's lands. they seemed to rely on imports with the amount of ships we can see, and the forgotten ark area

[hushed steeple]

I see, however it might be possible the calamities rendered them unhabitable.

[slim plume]

Forest used to have a river running throughout the realm too based off the murals in the first part of the realm. If we're going off your theory that the water element flooded the area, then shouldn't that river should still be there? It seems like it had been drained instead of overflooded, the remnants of it probably being the second area of the Forest.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it drained after the earthquakes, flooding Isle

[jolly phoenix]

the realms architecture says otherwise as we can see spirits like Apologetic Lumberjack, Lookout scout, and the valley performers interacting with the environment, either pre-blast or post-blast

isle doesn't show much evidence of being flooded either, as far as i know? the entire land seemed to be covered in sand even before Resh came, and it has admittedly, very basic levels of inhabitance(the caves in the beginning, the cliff off to the side of the temple,) so while it might've been affected by the blast, i don't see very much evidence of it

[hushed steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/996724390161035294/Screenshot_20220713_121718_com.google.android.youtube.jpg what abt this?

Still we don't know how much time has passed between the 'Fall of Eden' and present day

Plus the Kingdom of sky most likely decayed rather than dissapeared in one night, there might be a dark era where there were no Elders no skids no ancestors, only light creatures

[jolly phoenix]

i am aware

that is also the reveal trailer though, so not everything about it is going to be concrete or shown in the actual game
such as the design of the "crabs," the lantern, and such
we can assume this is pre-blast, but if that is Isle, then why is there no evidence of the architecture we see in it?
all the other realms with architecture don't seem to have decayed at all besides Wasteland for obvious reasons, and we would have seen parts of that architecture in Isle.
let's assume the flooding kicked up all the sand and that's why we can't see it, then what about the stairs? it's assumed to be the same material, so why isn't it there? the poles we see in the trailer are on level with the middle part of the stairs, too.

we can assume the boats scattered around were once active, but Isle's architecture is very rudimentary up until you get to the temple, cliff, and the prophecies cave. even if the sand covered the architecture and flooded Isle, the cave at the start would probably be flooded with sand and there still would be water scattered throughout the realm

[hushed steeple]

I see, it's still a theory in the works

[quick burrow]

Does anyone want to know the beginning of sky when we first enter and it showed us the 1st cutscene in sky?

[hushed steeple]

yep

[hoary ingot]

Good afternoon, Lore Chat!

[graceful oasis]

Hi, what shall we talk about today?

[hoary ingot]

Eden?

[inner cloud]

Good afternoon to you as well!

[graceful oasis]

Eden was such a nice place…. With all the questionable pipes

[hoary ingot]

Eden is hell. I lost like half of my winged lights just trying to get through.

But what’s making the shards fall? Why is it shattering?

[heavy comet]

do the jellys usually have spikes on them?

[frigid tinsel]

there are so-called "king jellyfish" in Eden during ascension that have those. in life, they look like crowns, hence the nickname

[stark marten]

I think that's the only place where they have been seen before this memory, right?

[frigid tinsel]

These guys

[stark marten]

Only place in the game I mean, not counting concept art

[inner cloud]

it seems to be because we keep being reborn, I THINK i read that theory

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure that the only places we see king jellies are in the shattering memories & ascension, but don’t quote me on that — I may have missed some. They might be one of the examples of massive light creatures that went extinct in the living world before we saw them

[inner cloud]

i’ve only seen the ‘living’ ones in ascension so i believe you’re right salem

[keen shore]

another somewhat related point is that, when you watch the Eden beam from some locations (it’s easiest to see against darker skies, like the one in starlight desert) you can see these vaguely whale shaped particle effects ascending up the beam. The only difference is that they are a lot larger than whales would be.

They are probably just a particle effect to make the beam look stronger, but I like to imagine they’re memories of even more massive light creatures ascending from a long long time ago, before their species went extinct. Kinda like how stars keep shining even after they’re gone

[graceful oasis]

Here is a theory I had last night…
Also Eden Clouds thunder sometimes, just a neat detail about how it’s a storm.

[keen shore]

Oh, you mean the idea that the void of shattering is the darkstone Eye of Eden and the places we go to are inside of it? Yeah, me & a lot of my other friends think that too!

[graceful oasis]

Nice, and I think that the Darkstone Diamond is holding a lot inside it… mostly several pieces of lights, some parts of darknesses, and a lot of dead spirits and memories…

[keen shore]

I can do a quick explanation on darkstone if you want. The name is from concept art, it basically just refers to the blue rock you put light in to do stuff. The Eye and the red rock shards you find around Eden seem to be the corrupted version of it, where instead of just functioning normally when you put light inside, they are constantly on overdrive & drain yours whenever you’re nearby.

Since spirits and their memories, along with light creatures,seem to be made of mostly light, it’s not a stretch to imagine that they might get sucked into a corrupted darkstone diamond of that size and power. There’s even a whole headcanon I’ve been thinking about where darkstone requires some fragment of soul light (not the right word but close enough) to work, which is why it has to be charged with either light creatures or our soul candles, and not just generic fire

With how sacred Eden seemed to be, If that’s true, it’s probably full of a bunch of souls and memories we don’t know about. There’s a good chance that it had spirits at one point who just got sucked into the corrupted darkstone & so we haven’t been able to save them

[graceful oasis]

Like the current Ancient memory we have, those Jellies were existing in Eden as a Species that were roaming around…. Because from how they seem to be moving, they are flying around…. I am imaging Eden as a beautiful kingdom for some reason…

[torn eagle]

... Im getting ideas

[shy scaffold]

Ever wondered why a surface cave mine is underwater?

[torn eagle]

Nope I always thought that it just submerged, water level rose

[frigid tinsel]

it flooded. mines flood a lot irl so not far off the assume that's what happened here. very inconvienent

[keen shore]

every time this part gets mentioned I cannot stop thinking about the joke with the islands falling bc the abyss crew took out all the darkstone,

[torn eagle]

It flood too much it created treasure reef?

May have something to do with the leviathan perhaps?

[gleaming glacier]

Dang Cannoneer destroying the kingdom smh /j

[hoary ingot]

So our rebirth is knocking the Kingdom off its balance?

[granite sigil]

hi lore chat!

[sharp lichen]

Hi duck!

[granite sigil]

Well too be fair, when we rebirth, the whole place starts to like fall down, and eden seems to start to be unstable, so there is a possibility that our rebirth are causing shards from eden to fall across sky kingdom

[inner cloud]

^^

[hushed steeple]

Hey LoreChat! I have an idea, we have a introduction document, a masterlist of murals, why don't we have a compedium of theories?

[torn eagle]

I think its because theres basically countless of theories out there hence why its hard to catalogue

[keen shore]

yeah, good luck collecting them all!

[hushed steeple]

Just an idea

[torn eagle]

Not to mention that certain theories have different variations (╥﹏╥)

[hushed steeple]

Well if Salem ever has time to kill, they could make us one lol

So anyone already seen the first ancient memory?

[keen shore]

….please no, the mural masterlist was already so much of a struggle with memory, energy, and motivation. I would really appreciate not being expected to do extremely tedious and time consuming things like catalogue every theory in this chat just because I managed to finish that

[frigid tinsel]

There is a Theory Vault google doc but it hasn’t been updated in a year iirc

[slim plume]

To take things a little off topic, I think I may have found something to support my "Eden Darkstone was charged with too much light and created side effects" theory.

[torn eagle]

Ayye u used the butterfly changing colors detail, I like that yoink

[sharp lichen]

We have that, in the Theory Vault. The problem is that it’s really incoherent and not very helpful

[white junco]

isn't that what this channel is for too? to discuss theories and to hear other people's thoughts?

[hushed steeple]

Theory Vault?

[hushed steeple]

No but a collection of them, like a dictionary

[keen shore]

discord search function

[white junco]

look mate, if you want to spend hours reading other people's theories in fragmented discord messages, more power to you, but I really don't think we need something like that

[hushed steeple]

I was just curious

[sharp lichen]

Yes, but I never liked it

[proper cosmos]

NO CAUSE I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS LIKE i understand the butterflies slowing down but turNING PINK??? THATS A LIL SUS SKY KIDS 👀👀

[frigid tinsel]

I just thought the butterflies were blushing tbh

[keen shore]

It would be nice to have the basic theories explained, like for example, the current guesses on how the enchantment lights and Megabird work… but every theory? I don’t think that’s necessary, and it would probably kill the channel

[torn eagle]

When butterflies are more effective in boosting your self esteem

[slim plume]

As we all know, the butterfly call emote calls butterflies to you. They're beings made of light and so recharge your cape. Simple. What was interesting to me is the fact they change colour in your skid's hands after a short span of time, from yellow to a pink-ish glow. And then I remembered my Eden darkstone theory. Since we're beings made of light, and butterflies are also beings made of light, that combination of both our light sources have "over-charged" the butterfly, turning it pink. It's pink because it's overcharged, but not harmfully so. Using that logic, perhaps the Eden darkstone was "overfilled" with the memories/light of light creatures like mantas, butterflies, etc. to a degree where that pink glow was turned red.

As for why the sky kid doesn't turn pink, maybe it's because we're bigger than the butterfly, meaning that we'd need more light to "overcharge." And as to why skids don't overcharge when holding hands with each other, maybe it's why skids holding the "leader's" hand seem to lose all mobility/"sentience." They can emote and let go of their own free will, of course, but they reduce the light they give off because it may overcharge the leader

[hushed steeple]

That's what I meant!

[frigid tinsel]

At this point I have a notes file with compilations of stuff text and links to people’s theories if it has been explained to death before. You can also use discord search function. But since there are widely competing theories and variations of the same theory, creating a doc listing every single one would be exhausting nor something you should volunteer other people’s effort to create. If you want to make your own, power to you

[torn eagle]

I think theyre overcharged but theres also the fact that they charge us so its more like a cycle of light/energy going on which possibly could explain why the butterfly doesnt die

Theyre overcharged, yes, but they dont overcharge to the point of bursting because some energy is passed on to us

[hushed steeple]

So in theory we could burst?

[white junco]

i think you'd just hit a point where light leaks out at the same rate as you receive it

[frigid tinsel]

There is a concept of skykids being “overcharged” but I don’t think skykids are capable of being harmed by being overfilled with light. At most the light could just spill out of them

[proper cosmos]

i like these theories

[white junco]

overcharged skykids are the equivalent of caffeinated

[keen shore]

I think overcharged skykids kinda look like how they do in the wind paths. It doesn’t harm them, they just glow really bright and make everyone around them wish they were wearing sunglasses

[graceful oasis]

We just become Sonic, flying like we are the ultimate being beyond god.

[slim plume]

To be fair, there is a glow spell in-game. Perhaps that's a spell that just gives you extra light for a limited time?

[frigid tinsel]

I just take the glow spell as shaping light around the outside of skykids to make them glow

[proper cosmos]

it doesn't recharge your cape though

[torn eagle]

Hmm three thoughts

1 Yes we could burst if our bodies cant handle the light energy

2 No we couldnt probably because we are made to carry and harbor light by the megabird, I doubt that the megabird would overlook that aspect

3 like what spade and alasdair said I think we would just leak it out. I have more thoughts I gotta organize them first

[proper cosmos]

i see it like slathering light on you, not being near something that you can recharge from

[slim plume]

Ah, true. I'm not sure tbh this is like the first time I output a theory that can be backed-up by something and am just looking for criticisms/improvements/other thoughts

[noble tide]

Wonder why it's eyes are always red unlike krills

[graceful oasis]

We already spill out light as we move, mostly from our feet and hands, we probably can be overcharged, but it can easily slip out.

[frigid tinsel]

It angy

[proper cosmos]

they always angry

[torn eagle]

A thought I actually had regarding this is that normal krills are more artificial in a sense dunno how

While leviathan here is a true blue creature from the depths

But idk not much to go on yet (well theres a few details to support krills=artifical theory but not now)

[white junco]

oh i had a similar thought! the deep is the most likely candidate for where darkness belongs, so many the leviathan is supposed to be a dark creature

[hushed steeple]

I have a mini-theory which is that Krills were made to farm light, nothing too complex

[proper cosmos]

krills usually come out of the water in areas when you just get into them

[torn eagle]

I did see that

[keen shore]

I wonder if it’s one of the only natural dark creatures left. Like how light creatures just kind of exist, dark ones did too; but most of the “dark” creatures we see now are just corrupted light ones. And the leviathan would be a natural one

[white junco]

YEAH YEAH THAT

[noble tide]

In the cutscenes, it showed that it's eaten almost all the light creatures that could've been swimming around there so that checks out, although it could just be predatory behavior

[torn eagle]

But the difference here is that the leviathan doesnt leave the water it just swims there

Krills fly

Also side note: no ones gonna talk about the dark creatures in switch trailer?

[white junco]

someone (i think it was vela) pointed out that the face of the krill looks a bit like how mantas open their mouths, & krill have 8 eyes above their spotlights, maybe that's relevant?

[slim plume]

Now I want to see more "natural" dark creatures (although that'd probably be Abyss 2 electric boogaloo and the fourth and fifth quest already gave me enough thalassophobia in-game )

[keen shore]

Interesting note here. When the krill in GW goes after the manta, that manta just snaps out of existence. Like, it’s there one second, and then it’s not. Instead of being consumed, it’s like it jsut disappears entirely.

Whereas at least some of the manta’s remnants exist inside the leviathan’s stomach; not to mention we lose no WL inside of it (iirc) like we likely would if eaten by a krill. I don’t even know if krill can even “eat” things; everything they could just disappears when they touch it

[torn eagle]

Tbh tho not much can be gleaned off of em TvT theyre like crabs with multiple red eyes and their shells resemble bells (At least I think they resemble bells from prairie)

And they get scared of light

[noble tide]

What if krills are artificially made using the leviathan's eyes? It's just a random thought really

[torn eagle]

Tbh if they are indeed artificially made their spotlights would be more likely to be made of darkstone

[proper cosmos]

YO THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

LIKE WHAT IF golden wasteland used to be filled with light an stuff (i like to call that version the golden city) and krill were made to patrol and capture the light in creatures, that's why they're on cycles and why they're mostly only in wasteland/eden

[torn eagle]

Yknow this reminds me of tom zhaos concept where light creatures cannot enter the "holy land"

[keen shore]

I have wondered if darkstone is manta eyes (those little diamonds you see in their heads) for Ages, but the mines in treasure reef and forest disprove that pretty obviously. It would explain a lot abt how darkstone works though, especially the holding light bit, and how you get it from light creatures

[proper cosmos]

i've never heard that before can you explain it? /gen

[white junco]

oh here r the krill eyes btw. their face does look a bit like a manta’s now that i think about it

[frigid tinsel]

Living animals are not allowed to enter the Holy Land. They stopped at the edge of the city.

They are inside our Holy Land. UNFORGIVEABLE. We will do what we it takes to cleanse it.

[torn eagle]

Its a concept supposedly for a version of the vault (where its a city instead of a structure inside eden mountain)

The holy land is at the feet of the eden mountain and the ancestors drive away the light creatures using flying arks

There was also a quote in that concept art "They're inside the holy land. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. We must cleanse them." Or smth like that

Ah alasdair to the rescue

[keen shore]

top 10 captions that should not make me cackle as hard as they do

[frigid tinsel]

The all-caps UNFORGIVEABLE hits me harder than a Valley Elder paddle

[keen shore]

ME TOO IM GLAD IM NOT ALONE

[white junco]

mantas seeing red at the ancestors inside of the holy land

[keen shore]

me when I see my cat on the counter:

[proper cosmos]

@frigid tinsel @torn eagle I LOVE YOU BOTH THANK YOU

[proper cosmos]

cats have free roam

[slim plume]

Ancestors in concept art really said "GET OUT" like they were the ones who were there all their lives

[keen shore]

Chasing the mantas out of Eden with a broom

[torn eagle]

Coming from the holy land concept

Since the night level was moved inside the eden mountain

Wasteland is then transferred to base of eden mountain

It seems to me that wasteland is the edge of the "holy land"

And iirc the holy site is the light beam

Krills being used to guard "the holy land" is indeed plausible

But then there comes the fact that in sneaky survivors memory krills are hostile to the ancestors

[slim plume]

Maybe they went rogue? I.e. something happened to their "code" (since they seem to be programmed to follow a certain path and attack only beings of light) to make them turn against the ancestors

[white junco]

corruption?

[frigid tinsel]

From news post

[torn eagle]

Reminds me of the fire era in concept arts where ancestors and light creatures lived in harmony

By the darkstone era that changed

[white junco]

I LOVE THIS BIT SO MUCH it's soooo tasty

[rigid mural]

I GOT SUPER EXCITED BECAUSE !!! LIGHT CYCLES !!! LIGHT CYCLES !!!

[keen shore]

Holding light cycle theory up to the sun and dancing happily

[torn eagle]

Offtopic: the ceremonial worshiper memory shows us of them and 7 other spirits holding candles up high right?

[frigid tinsel]

Someone had the thought that the ceremonial worshipper cutscene shows how ancestors could ascend themselves before the Elders and Eden because it creates a beam of light

[white junco]

they do smthn like this

[keen shore]

8 worshippers, 8 skykids in a server , Hm mmmm,

[rigid mural]

salt and peppared

[slim plume]

And that place is only accessible by 8 skids holding their flames to the mechanisms for the elevator to work

[torn eagle]

Tbh (assuming that this takes place while light farming for light extraction was a thing) this probably is a sign that ancestors did worship the light/megabird and do things like these as some sort of religious act

Iirc basing on concepts the act of worshiping the light stopped by the time darkstone thrived and ancestors focused more on creating darkstone tech

(I like the fact that sky reflects a lot of what happens in the real world TvT)

[river crystal]

What is the order of the eras?

[frigid tinsel]

Flame > Darkstone > Post-Storm/Descendent

[torn eagle]

Descendent or Post-Storm

Oop wrong reply

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao concept timeline where it comes from

[slim plume]

Gonna log off for a bit but loved the flow of conversation, productive day for the lore chat methinks!

[torn eagle]

Im waiting til evry quest in the season is released before fully delving into the tidbits of lore attached to it TvT

[sharp lichen]

Ah yes typical lorechat

[nimble ingot]

Eyo, thought to share this from a different server.
Alasdair, Salem, Spade and I were discussing about if the prophecy guide, being as tall as they are, would possibly be as tall as the elder.

It took a bit to get the screenshot to line up, though this image of the spirit guide next to the twins (since they are canonically the shortest elders).
Even if the Vault elder can appear shorter in their cut scene, as well as in the all elders scene; their Orbit appearance is much taller. Which in turn makes their canonical height either inconclusive, or unreliable (or both) though noted all the same.

Here is an image to compare the heights, with a chibi for scale.

[sharp lichen]

I measured Prophecy Guide as 6 foot 9

[frigid tinsel]

Nice

[keen shore]

I still can’t believe this even though I’m looking at the evidence. It feels so wrong. It should be illegal for ancestors to be this tall. And now I want to be able to bring prophecy guide to elder cutscenes with me and see what happens

[river crystal]

where can I find concept art for the lore?

[frigid tinsel]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky-all

[keen shore]

A lot of it is in the pinned messages of this channel as well!

[river crystal]

thank you!

[nimble ingot]

Based on the Vault elder alone, there may be a case for the game not consistently showing the character at their proper heights.
I am not even sure if it is something that was intended, a flaw in the game, or something that was overlooked. 😐

[keen shore]

I wonder if it’s supposed to give off the vibe of when you’re a kid and everything looks bigger than it actually is,

[torn eagle]

People in authority are bigger and intimidating (elders), people who youre more comfortable with are closer to your size (ancestor spirits), things you are familiar or your deem as good are normal sized (candles), while things for grown ups are bigger and heavier (wasteland weapons)? Probably

[rigid mural]

tom zhao's timeline suggests elder creatures are at least on par with ancestors when it comes to intelligence since they could lead armies, wonder if that means they are more aware of what is going on than your average creature.
perhaps that explains why we are starting to get requests for help from them directly (abyss, shattering)...

i wonder if skykids could be raised or taught by an elder creature

[torn eagle]

resists the urge to talk about war theory Mm I think some parts are scrapped while others are incorporated as per usual concept art things TvT

For example the ark/exodus concept still debated if its ingame or not no?

[rigid mural]

I mean yeah but nothing in the live game suggests elder creatures aren't intelligent
it even seems like creatures recognise skykids as helpers

[keen shore]

I like to imagine most creatures typically have crow levels of intelligence! With the elder creatures as similar, but since they are made up of the souls of many smaller creatures (personal headcanon) they’re like a mini Megabird but full of crow and creature brain

[rigid mural]

YOU I LIKE YOUR HEADCANON
YOINK

[keen shore]

When the birds in flight stole the chimes, they were simply full of mischief and playing w their friends :]

[rigid mural]

mischief is stored in the bored elder bird

[frigid tinsel]

mantas do regularly kidnap skykids to take them to higher up places they may struggle to get to on their own (Sanctuary wind path, Prairie Elder temple)

[rigid mural]

tbf the sanctuary wind path manta is difficult to accidentally ride, used to fly up to it to go from the geyser to grandma's table

[frigid tinsel]

true, though once we attach to it, it starts heading toward the wind path

[rigid mural]

It just wants to help !!! a giant friend
I headcanon it's the one that shows up to help during Flight's 5th quest !

[keen shore]

OH THAT MAKWS SO MUCH SENSE

[torn eagle]

You think they recognize us because we are half same as them or because they see us burning darkness? 🤔

[frigid tinsel]

there's that purple light tether between skykids and mantas when riding. I like to think it depicts skykids and mantas mentally connecting since purple light is associated with the mind

[rigid mural]

Maybe a bit of both ? Technically, we're creatures of light too.

[keen shore]

elder bird with a bunch of different bird minds inside of them and all of those minds want to commit mischief, but different kinds. The elder bird does not act on them due to indecision and that is how they are mistaken as a peaceful creature

[rigid mural]

what was that thing with the Na'avi from Avatar having braids that do that too, it was kinda funny

[keen shore]

Stealing

[rigid mural]

Light Whisperer knows they can be menaces when they are hurt and do not want to be touched even if they require emergency aid.

I once bought a bat to a wildlife veterinarian and the guy at the counter almost got bit trying to get it into a box for animals and not shoes

[keen shore]

They have a tool called the “biting stick” that they wave in front of elder birds so that they bite it instead of their arm,

[frigid tinsel]

that might be what the perch glove Light Whisperer wears seconds as

[rigid mural]

HELP

[slim plume]

I see that we have moved onto the intelligence of light creatures, right after my shower too

[keen shore]

OH THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE, new headcanon

[frigid tinsel]

LW: oh you want to bite me? bite my arm here. yea, that hurts so much

[rigid mural]

Light whisperer teaching skykids how to handle hurt light creatures. Sometimes they come down to show the ropes to newer ones

[keen shore]

Light whisperer desperately trying to use the mental connection with a wounded elder bird to calm it down while said bird’s beak is latched tightly around their glove and refuses to let go

[torn eagle]

I can see it.. dammit..

[slim plume]

"I'm trying to help you, but I cannot do so if you're chewing my arm-"

"Mmmmmmm tasty leather-"

[rigid mural]

Wouldnt having an unusable arm (because an elder bird is currently biting it) be counterproductive ? since they might need both arms

[torn eagle]

Would relate to the headcanon that they dont want to be touched when hurt

They must calm down first :3

[slim plume]

WAIT NO I CAN JUST IMAGINE THE "GET YO DOG" MEME NO- 😭😭😭

[rigid mural]

it dont bite

[frigid tinsel]

LW, being actively bitten: it don't bite

[keen shore]

the biting glove was implemented after the incident in which an elder bird bit down and almost broke their arm

[rigid mural]

NOOOOO
light whisperer is probably the baby of the group, they got the whole squad worried

[slim plume]

It is said that everyone near the wind paths during the time could hear them screaming.

The other guides think that it was just their imagination

[frigid tinsel]

they're the youngest but braver than any US marine

[slim plume]

Yo, how did you get Rhythm Guide's search history?

[keen shore]

it’s ok they’re friends with the bird now :}

[slim plume]

[Comedically cuts to Elder Bird teaming up with Elder Manta to cause as much chaos in the Wind Paths as possible]

[torn eagle]

... the elder manta is the white whale in sanctuary in case you dont know

Totally didnt imagine that big boi in windpaths

[slim plume]

Elder Manta in Wind Paths would probably cause a traffic jam

[gleaming glacier]

Mantas honking everywhere

[torn eagle]

Howd it fit in the windpath tunnel 💀

[gleaming glacier]

Exactly why there’s a traffic jam

[slim plume]

Spite

[frigid tinsel]

Rkkffkksnsns Yea

[keen shore]

AIDJAIDUSIFIFJFJN I LOVE IT SO MUCH

[torn eagle]

Its not just a traffic jam its a roadblock TvT

[gleaming glacier]

Someone call the elders, the elder manta is stuck in the wind paths again

[slim plume]

I love the surprised small bird behind Light Whisperer

[frigid tinsel]

Reaction image

[frigid tinsel]

I will add, that Elder bird looks so soft, I just wanna press my face into it and sleep

[keen shore]

I want to also but then I would no longer have many limbs

[nimble ingot]

One chomp and it knows that things might not work out like Pinocchio, or Jonah.

[frigid tinsel]

You don’t need that many limbs tbf

[slim plume]

The "again" implies that it's happened multiple times, and now all I can see is Forest Elder going "Not again..." while Prairie Elder comforts them

Or Forest Elder finally snapping and getting their light hammer with Prairie having to hold them back

[rigid mural]

meant to emulate birds fluffing up when sick or trying to look bigger than they are
i do hc elder birds are soft tho

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @rigid mural. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[keen shore]

WORKSKFJKEKVKFKWOQQOF

[frigid tinsel]

Not what we’re talking about

[rigid mural]

HELP THAT'S LIKE THE SKY MARRIAGE

[slim plume]

BAHAHAHA

[rigid mural]

i was talking about going to a very, very cliché wedding

wait that's from the cucumber sandwich convo

[nimble ingot]

trigger bot, get triggered.
Please turn yourself on and off.

[keen shore]

The fabled cucumber sandwich lore…

[frigid tinsel]

Skybot clearly on edge since Vela’s a known food criminal

[rigid mural]

I tasted cucumber sandwich that day, can you say the same about oreos dipped in noodle broth

[keen shore]

After meeting Echo, none of the people in this chat can compare in terms of food crimes

[rigid mural]

oh yeah echo is worse than me, though i don't think you can outdo her on that

[torn eagle]

For the sake of curiosity

What is the flavor of the noodle broth?

[rigid mural]

any, oreos have so much stuff put in them that it will just taste like slightly salted oreo. The salt kinda makes it seem sweeter too so...

[torn eagle]

Whats your favorite noodle flavor for these oreos?

[rigid mural]

I started to dislike shrimp after the incident, so I either have chicken or beef

[violet sundial]

I put oreos in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and ate a hot dog with a burger bun 💀

Both of them were bad ideas 🕳

[rigid mural]

I heard Starbucks put mayonnaise as a secret ingredient in some chocolates so I wanna try it.

[violet sundial]

I never liked mayo

[slim plume]

How did we get from the intelligence of light creatures to food-

[keen shore]

it happens a lot don’t worry about it

[frigid tinsel]

Cucumber sandwich wedding

[sharp lichen]

Mayo is only good when making pimento cheese, everywhere else it’s awful

[violet sundial]

The intelligence of light creatures is food

Brain drain

[keen shore]

what spirit would put mayonnaise on chocolate before eating it

[violet sundial]

Sunbather, sunbather!

[torn eagle]

Chocolate mayonnaise cake, gotta try it

Offtopic

We know that the realms have a daylight cycle (sanctuary has sunset even tho it's in daylight prairie)

Does that mean our skid actually makes the trip from isle to eden in a single day?

[slim plume]

Unfinished but as you can see, Forest Elder is at their limit with Elder Manta

[torn eagle]

"I've had it with you! RAAAUUGHH---"

[gleaming glacier]

Oh it’s beautiful

[sharp lichen]

This is sunbather slander

Baffled Botanist is baffled that you don’t have chocolate with mayonnaise every day

[eternal totem]

Can’t substitute mayo with mustard?

[uncut pond]

#vault-of-socials

"Wake up babe new lore just dropped"

[white junco]

ANOTHER POEM i’m so happy

[frigid tinsel]

reposting the Shattering poem for the records

[raw crypt]

[white junco]

this place is not a place of honor

shaking tgc, WHO IS WRITING THESE they’re so so good

[frigid tinsel]

literally the vibes I've been getting from this and the news post

you're damn sure things have happened here. the frozen memories from the shards are just a glimpse of the past.
I want more

[uncut pond]

Lorechat trying to piece together what do any of these poems mean

[white junco]

it’s a vibe idk if it gives us stuff in words but the vibe oh man

[frigid tinsel]

well, the poem is paired with a pic of the jellyfish frozen memory. nothing moves there. hence why

The light that swirled here was not warm
These were no drifting currents.
(emphasis mine)

it's like a stream-of-consciousness of a skykid observing this frozen memory.

[tall mountain]

From the looks of the posts in it so far, all I can say is have fun with the new #vault-of-socials channel, Lore Chat... Happy birthday

[white junco]

thank you boat friend i am eating the poem

[eternal totem]

This made me cackle so hard

[frigid tinsel]

kudos to whoever wrote the poem, it's incredible the mood they were able to convey in just four short lines. and a wonderful cadence as well.

[white junco]

RIGHT

[eternal totem]

Oh! We actually are getting some context behind the memory

[frigid tinsel]

I am struggling to take off my lit analysis glasses

[violet sundial]

Is this Jellyfish lore basically???

[tall mountain]

Also, how's everyone enjoying Shattering here so far? I hear a lot of people in gen/cozy/beta saying that they're disappointed in the lack of lore from the season... I'd be curious to hear what you all think of it? Would you agree with that sentiment or no?

[white junco]

i’m having a blast with shattering i love shard

[frigid tinsel]

lack of lore

[white junco]

when some people ask for a lore season they mean they want tgc to stand in front of them and talk about the king

[frigid tinsel]

gameplay wise, the shards are a really fun challenge. the Eden eruptions are horrifyingly beautiful, tho I suppose that's the point. I take so many pics and vids while feeling bad for the skykids dealing with it all

[white junco]

also they do a really good job of fixing an issue that a lot of folks had with eden, where they felt that having to go to farm ascended candles takes away from the emotional impact eden should have on a player

[gleaming glacier]

I mean

Kinda

All I ask is a canon design for his outfit under the cloak plz

[graceful oasis]

I am staring at the Void and it stares back. I question if the Diamond is a dimension that is cracking from Skykids yoinking olden light from the past…
So ya I love it.

[eternal totem]

It could be just nothing under there, honestly, they’re just floating about

[white junco]

like hollow knight

[gleaming glacier]

He is a mass

[tall mountain]

Plot twist: the king is literally the Eden diamond volcano

He just straight-up went "woo it's geometric shape time" and starting hurling evil rocks at people for fun

[eternal totem]

There has been several fan designs & I personally think if they were in the image of the Elders their uniform might be a mix of Forest & Isle but with unbelievable amount of patterns, maybe the robes were white too

[violet sundial]

Honestly yeah

Most ppl don’t like TGC’s “show, don’t tell” approach at this point cus most ppl dont feel like analyzing vague murals

[gleaming glacier]

That’s so hilarious just imagining this big king going woo shape I love it

[tall mountain]

I mean there is probably no support for that theory but the idea amuses me too much

[white junco]

i think there's concepts where the king's body is the mountain

[eternal totem]

The Eden concept

[tall mountain]

King go boom

[frigid tinsel]

valid, I wish I could be a nonhumanoid form just screeching in the distance to evade my responsibilities

[white junco]

yeah but it wouldn't really be fun if tgc just sat us down and said "ok so heres all the king info"

[frigid tinsel]

I find that TGC just doesn't show enough

[violet sundial]

Yeah also true

[gleaming glacier]

I’m fine with tgc’s storytelling if they gave us more than one mural every six months

[white junco]

thats very fair

[graceful oasis]

So the new Lore from the new channel tells the time this memory takes place, right when the explosion happened.

[rigid mural]

greetings lore chat

[gleaming glacier]

Ello

[rigid mural]

so true bestie

[tall mountain]

Okay, so if it's not an entirely ridiculous concept after all, then given all the various stuff about the memories and the whole thing about the stuff we see being frozen moments in time as ancient memories trapped in Eden's core, there's almost part of me that can imagine the diamond volcano of Eden almost as like... The king's transformed heart, beating out darkness

Do I have much evidence for that idea beyond just, like, a few social media posts? No, but it's thematically cool to imagine

[frigid tinsel]

Bewildered in final moments of stillness
reads to me that these were jellyfish that were vibing around Eden when the Eden diamond exploded. perhaps even they were not expecting it

[rigid mural]

I like to think that since memories power megabird, then the ancestors must have stored memories to fuel power diamons, hence why the darkness crystals show you memories

[sharp lichen]

Someone said that Performance had little lore. Imagine.

[torn eagle]

Im kinda thinking the red diamond in eden was placed there for that purpose... Other than powering it with an infinite amount of light theres also memories

Iirc the light beam contains the spirits of light creatures ascending to megabird?

[sharp lichen]

This is already the first quest of Shattering, and we already know that crabs were light creatures and can ascend.

[atomic grove]

Season of Tame the Krebs

[torn eagle]

Maybe not particularly light.. maybe theyre on the weaker end thats why theyre easily corruptible?

[graceful oasis]

They just start flying like a bunch of antelopes, scared as hell of the whispers of someone blowing up the Kingdom.

[tall mountain]

I don't know a lot about what specifically it gives to fit in with the big picture story, though I imagine there is something, but it sure as heck told us a lot about the spirits relating to each other in ways we had never seen before

...Actually, that raises a question. There's a stage background of Eden presumably post-storm. How would they have painted that?

[rigid mural]

[tall mountain]

Man, Ash really said "it's not that deep fam," didn't she

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid mural]

well

[tall mountain]

...Skybot

[frigid tinsel]

that's a very apt way to put it. I'm envisioning it as them being caught in the wrong moment in the wrong time. they were just vibing near Eden when the Eden diamond exploded, launching darkness at incredible speeds they could never outrun. yet they tried, tried swirling up and away like a herd, as you said, fleeing danger in futility

[tall mountain]

...Can I have permission to take this please, cause this is great

[frigid tinsel]

👍 I have several floating around

[rigid mural]

if we get poems for each memory, i think i will be extremely normal this season

[keen shore]

IM FINALLY BACK MY POWER CUT OUT BUT IM BACK

[frigid tinsel]

and Vela made that one that I love so much

[keen shore]

I really like the shattering poem but I think nothing can compare to my friend spades poems , they are so good

[rugged jackal]

“The light that swirled here was not warm
These were no drifting currents
Songs lost to the void
Bewildered in final moments of stillness”

Help me decode this I can’t understand

[rigid mural]

spade's poems and alasdair's fics are so good, i eat them like a fancy buffet

[atomic grove]

Wait that's so weird, my power also just cut out. But only for like a second

[violet sundial]

Maybe this means that jellyfish are naturally a good indicator of the health of an environment in Sky?? Just a thought

[rigid mural]

Like indicator species in freshwater ?

[keen shore]

Anyway here’s my interpretation of the poem! I’m only decent at best at poem interpretation, if there’s like hidden double meanings, they’re really hard for me to get. Help would be appreciated.

The poem is about the jellyfish who are frozen in place in the memory; the light inside the diamond is cold, faint, and artificial, unlike the light outside that they’re used to. They’re extremely confused by what could have happened to cause this. they aren’t conscious for long, and something happens to make it their final moments, but the memory we see — of them frozen in time — is when the difference starts registering.

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT, I JUST DISCOVERED AO3 LETS YOU WRITE COMMENTS WITHOUT AN ACCOUNT,
although I realized afterwards that when I typed it I misspelled my own name

[violet sundial]

Flight guide dreams of seeing jellyfish drift into the wind paths one day

[rigid mural]

i love that psorntoo

[keen shore]

should have known that was coming

[violet sundial]

Or maybe its too windy and they’d get caught up in the currents

Imagine one of the spirits gets smacked in the face by an incoming jellyfish

[keen shore]

my guess is that maybe they were trying to ascend, but were caught up in the explosion and trapped? they were absorbed into the diamond almost instantly and i guess just nuked, and their last legacy is the frozen moment right before they get absorbed & after the shockwave hits when they go. Oh no.

[frigid tinsel]

puts on lit analysis glasses

The light that swirled here was not warm
I have a headcanon that darkness is cold because it hinders light or is the absence of light. light is warm. add to the fact that this is called a frozen memory
These were no drifting currents
and referring that to the news posts that says light flowed in the wind, this is an observation of the place.
Songs lost to the void
the frozen memory resembles the place we appear in after we die and when swallowed by the leviathan. this place is often called limbo but another common name for it is the void. I would say that’s an apt descriptor of the nothingness here. also these memories are from shards from Eden where darkness has locked them away. entombed.
Bewilded in final moments of stillness
I take it that, in their last moments alive, these jellyfish were just vibing. they were not expecting the Eden diamond to meltdown and corrupt. they were radically caught off guard, but in the ensuing chaos coming to envelope them, they had only seconds to process what just happened and try to flee.

[sharp lichen]

1. The Performance Crew died a bit after Eden got turned into what we see it.
2. They painted it in spirit form.

[torn eagle]

Going off the thought that these memories are from a time right before eden exploded

I guess it would mean that during the time the light wasnt what it used to be where they were, darkness is in the air tainting the light (The light that swirled here was not warm) it could also be referring to moments before the storm in eden occurred

The drifting currents one maybe related to the one in that announcement thingy where it was stated "Light is in constant motion" maybe during this time the darkness has settled and the light isnt drifting where jellyfishes are comfortable to hang around anymore

"Songs lost to the void, Bewildered in final moments of stillness" May refer to the actual eden blast and their memories trapped in the void... Songs here may refer to the sounds jellyfish make

Oml alasdair already typed dies

[tall mountain]

Does Performance happen roughly at the same time that Dreams does in the lore chronology, or does one happen after another?

[frigid tinsel]

Unclear, frankly you could put Dreams anywhere on the timeline and it’ll work

[sharp lichen]

I personally believe that all seasonal quests take place in the present, besides maybe Dreams.

[keen shore]

Honestly no idea. But my best guess is that Dreams happens first, although they’re really close timeline wise. There might be spirit overlap in some of the memories which proves them being close, but I can’t remember — I know a gratitude spirit shows up in hermit and musician’s memories, but can’t remember if it’s the same one
My evidence for this is that you can find the skaters mask backstage in the theater, implying they put on plays about them after their success, which I think is really sweet!

[frigid tinsel]

To clarify, the season events occur in the present, as Baud said, but when the spirits lived could be put at different points in the timeline

[keen shore]

Yeah! I thought this as well , but your analysis is better written & explains it better than mine :-) ty!!!

[frigid tinsel]

holding my BFA and crying

[keen shore]

I also need to appreciate this comment because it hits the nail on the head and makes me giggle very hard

[frigid tinsel]

we do see from Mellow Musician's spirit memories that Cheerful Spectator and Twirling Champion lived at the same time. how else would they have formed a band?

[tall mountain]

✨ magic ✨

[graceful oasis]

So in a Simplest nutshell…. jellyfish is chilling, just going around. Then strikes the local explosion of Eden. They are trapped, their moment held still by the Diamond. Their memory one of many. In a void of a storm that is made with some intent.

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's an accurate tl;dr

[sonic ocean]

hello lorechat how are we coping with the lack of lo-

[pastel hollow]

haha
lack of lore

[sharp lichen]

When the spirits first lived as Ancestors timeline headcanon:

-> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> ->

[keen shore]

Twirling champion ALSO has confident sightseer and the fox gratitude spirit in their memory, which helps. Im trying to remember what spirits hermit has in their memory and failing, I think spectator and a gratitude spirit, but can’t remember who exactly

[sonic ocean]

either i'm incapable of seeing symbolism or y'all are forcing together puzzle pieces that barely exist together. either way i'm genuinely impressed from backreading

[sharp lichen]

Are you talking about the poem?

[keen shore]

I would guess the first, the poem seems fairly obvious to me personllay

[sharp lichen]

I do think that the Void of Shattering black area is in Eden

[tall mountain]

saving for future reference

[sonic ocean]

i'm mostly talking about in general because sky lore is incredibly easy to miss

[tall mountain]

Ah yes, so much lack of lore... So much. Yes. No lore in this season, not at all. No sir, nope, no sirree

[sonic ocean]

sky should get an award for being the game with the least accessible story at this rate

[graceful oasis]

Baud, would you like a dumb idea I came up with?

[violet sundial]

Honestly i dunno why they couldn’t have just put those poems as cutscenes 😭 thatd be SOO much better

The entire time in beta literally none of us could figure out any lore 💀

[sonic ocean]

to be fair betachat is mostly complaining and questions

[uncut pond]

You said this like an hour ago but I still want to say this

"Show don't tell" isn't the problem here, I've seen other game companies pull off this exact same thing much better than TGC, in the sense that they still keep things relatively vague but also manage to tell solid and relatively easy to understand/decipher lore and stories, even without a single line of dialogue as opposed to Sky which does have lines yet still feels way too vague

I think the main problem with TGC is what they show and how they show it, part of the problem is that they're trying to tell a more complex and rich history with Sky, but at the same time they're trying to show as little as possible and make absolutely everything up to interpretation, like they want to have a lot of lore but at the same time not have absolutely anything, with Abyss and Performance it seemed like they were willing to have more solid storytelling but so far, while it might be too early to judge due to only having one single memory, it seems like Shattering is a bit of a regression

[violet sundial]

Ohhhhh icic

[keen shore]

I think they try to tell the entire story without text, which is fine but… small poems like these would be great as cutscenes in game, it wouldn’t be too different from the enchantment light cutscenes. My main issue with the lord is thst SO MUCH of it is told and explained on tgcs social media rather than inside the game, and while it does affect the game, it’s so hard to figure out sometimes without the small explanations.

I am an extreme advocate for more murals and art in game bc they show instead of tell, blend into the environment really well, and help clear up things a LOT. for example, the prophecy and ark murals. The events in both obviously effect the game, but they’re near impossible to know fully without the murals telling the story

[violet sundial]

Yeah p much ☠️

[sharp lichen]

This is just a headcanon, it’ll be good if you make your own !

Here’s my reasoning:

Prophecy is ancient. No doubt about it. Even the music seems ancient.

Gratitude is mostly because how similar they are to Prophecy, it’s nothing else.

Belonging is due to their simple clothes, that’s about it.

Prince is because of their seasonal area: there must have been a reason for the Wind Paths to make a stop here. Their clothes are a bit more modernized, but still have some animal masks.

Dreams, Rhythm, and Performance all share similar clothing (including animal masks!) and they must have lived at around the same time, considering the 3 seasons appear in each other’s memories.

Lightseekers is due to their abandonment of animal masks, and because of them being referenced in an Enchantment mural.

Sanctuary is only here due to the clothing, and the use of Cyan Light, an Enchantment thing.

Enchantment must have been later on, since they seem to be trying to settle a new place of the Sky world. Also, there’s aggressive crabs, indicating the first signs of darkness.

Flight has to be this late due to all the Wind Paths connections. There has to be a reason for these connections to be made, so it came after the 5 seasons.

Assembly masks were inspired by the Lightseekers, but there’s still lots of divergence, implying that they came some time after.

Abyss spirits seemed to live at a time of horrible darkness, so it’s the latest season.

[sonic ocean]

anyone who's curious about sky lore comes here

and yeah sky is incredibly inaccessible lore-wise because all the pieces are there but there's no finished puzzle to put together, if y'know what i mean? everything is so incredibly vague that sometimes i think this channel is insane and that maybe there is no story after all

[white junco]

that's exactly what beta chat is & i got blasted the last time i tried to be positive about shattering in there

[sharp lichen]

Sure, go ahead!

[sonic ocean]

i don't think TGC actually has an overarching plot/story to tell at all and is just putting out bits and pieces and hoping maybe we connect them into something coherent