lore-discussion-spoilers

[nimble ingot]

Unless I am horribly mistaken.
When in the Season of Dreams season area, the Eden mountain is now where to be seen.

By that same token though, when racing down the hill to the coliseum, you cannot see the dream village on the right hand side.
While this is likely the devs either forgot or did not wanting to change that OOB area for some reason, thus leaving a blank space where the village would have been visible. And vice versa with the dream village is able to see the coliseum, but not eden mountain.

[fickle tundra]

Oh, quick question

do you think the next season will bring more answers?

i forgot to ask before

i killed the conversation nooooo D:

[nimble ingot]

Practically every season has something new to add to the game.
Lorewise, this one is a real banger 🙂

[fickle tundra]

:)

[nimble ingot]

Apologies for the response, though rest assured the lore chat does quiet down at times for several reasons.
You have not killed the convo, don't worry

[fickle tundra]

shattering will blow your mind, even the cosmetics, believe me

[nimble ingot]

Without spoiling things, there is something to this season that bears a strong connection to something that happened in Light Awaits.
And I cannot wait to shed light on it when it is in the live game. 🙂

[graceful oasis]

And we get rekt by red Kool-Aid rocks from A broken castle

[slim fulcrum]

Light Awaits?

[nimble ingot]

Light Awaits is the name of the game before the global release, before it got changed to Sky: Children of the Light.

[slim fulcrum]

:○
I never knew that. . Thank you :>

[sharp lichen]

You can make more casual AUs. For example, one that I’ve been wanting to do is “Season of Prophecy Coffee Shop AU.” #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[slim fulcrum]

Who is the candle maker???

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s a profession, since we see candle maker spirits. But I think almost everyone did it

[slim fulcrum]

Ahh

[nimble ingot]

The first spirit you would likely meet in the game.
They are in the cave in front of the temple (beside the cliff with the wl)

[slim fulcrum]

Ahhh

I'm sorry I'm asking too many questions.. I'm new to the lore part of the game

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the lore chat.
You are welcome to ask and chat about the lore.
Should you like to learn more about the game itself, you can ask in #questions-and-help .

Don't stress about it, we all had to start someplace with asking questions 🙂

[slim fulcrum]

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit Maybe this can help you?

[slim fulcrum]

OMG thank you very much

[keen wren]

Lmaoooo ye that sounds really fun

I’m trying to do an alternate version of the canon story but with the elders/spirits being a bit more involved plus the King being a more prominent figure

[sharp lichen]

I’d love to see it! Although King lore is quite hard to do

Welcome to #lore-discussion-spoilers @gentle oak !

[gentle oak]

Hello! Ok this is my first ever text in lore channel and honestly I’m pretty noob level on lore so this might as well be my last, but does anyone have any idea who megabird is. I mean I know a bit about her ( I hope ) but I’d like to know more

[graceful oasis]

God of Sky, Local Constellations holder, sent down Children of Space.

[gentle oak]

Oh okay i just wanted to ask because in a other server megabird was mentioned there and I wanted to know more about the character

[nimble ingot]

Giver of Light and Life (headcanon)
Otherwise called in concept art as The Bird of Light.

[gentle oak]

Any idea why it’s a bird tough

[nimble ingot]

Possibly a reference to the Phoenix. Being that it is a bird that dies and rises from the ashes. A creature of Fire and rebirth.

[gentle oak]

Interesting never knew that

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

[nimble ingot]

That is just a theory

[gentle oak]

I know but I didn’t know the Phoenix thing

[frigid tinsel]

Also my thoughts on the bird motif: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Sorry for giving my opinion that late,
In my opinion, when you gracefuly see a manta swimming in the ocean it seems more to be flying by flapping wings rather than swimming, and for every big and grace animal that looks so, they made them out of water. Manta, Whale, Jellyfish.

Note also that light creatures comes from water too! Like dragonfly larvae, their first stage of life starts in water, you may notice a baby Whale light creature swimming arround in abyss, and à bigger one starting to swim out of water in sanctuary.

I also developped a theory from seeing the outro when going to Eden, you can see when they show the credits, different "Sun" (Sun that we join in orbit) that also has got light creatures coming in it. Which means that main lights has been given the role of populating dark zones or planets with light, for the a further living existing life.

Which means that we're not on the only planet with life in sky, but a one that went wrong way (due to Eden 's implosion)

[slim plume]

Now I'd be curious to skids going to other places in space and see all the life there (or what remains of it ). The Kingdom of Sky seems to have been ruined for a long while when we arrive, it'd be neat to see a place that's just recently been ruined (and perhaps helping in rebuilding/fixing it )

[nimble ingot]

That creature in Abyss may not be a whale.
Though I may be wrong given the lack of evidence to prove otherwise.

The 'marble eel' may be linked to the Whale, though not directly related.
What may suggest this is the face has 4 eyes, while the whale has 2.
Both may have face plates, though the tails do not match.

It is uncommon for Sky creature's to have parents differ vastly from their young.
The mantas and birds can attest to this. All while the elders may be an exception as they are known to be either extremely large, have additional limbs or both.

[graceful oasis]

Look it’s Greg

[sharp lichen]

You mean Jorm

[graceful oasis]

Any[Insert name] Works for this peaceful destroyer

[frigid tinsel]

I've seem plenty of names for the big boi:

leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Kraken Leviathan, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill, Many Eyes, fluffy, Spikey, Jorm the Worm, Many-Eyed Beast, Gerald, Greg

Staff did call it “the big guy” in a news post but dunno if it’s official.

[uncut pond]

Seeing all those very threatening names and terms immediately followed by stuff like Jorm the Worm and just Greg is peak comedy

[graceful oasis]

We just love this very scary menace that can probably swallow every Skykid possible

[hushed steeple]

Guys I've noticed that krills are actually shaped like reall life krills and the mega krill ain't one but a different dark creature, shaped like an eel! Yup, I've noticed that from its incurved beak looking like one.

[keen shore]

the murals do seem to imply that it’s a corrupted mega/elder eel to some extent, but honestly given the artstyle they’re drawn in, you could argue against it — the face is never drawn super detailed

[hushed steeple]

Spirits aren't great artists

But an eel can wide open their mouth

[frigid tinsel]

Krill was the fanon term the community came up with, like moth, simply by acknowledging the resemblance. It’s not an official name

[nimble ingot]

Alasdair is correct.

[graceful oasis]

They are canonical called “Dark Dragons”

[slim plume]

Moth me used to call them "Watchers." Ah, the simpler days when Sassy Drifter's mask price of 48 candles seemed expensive

[eternal totem]

Tfw it used to be 36

[graceful oasis]

I will always call them Krill because they are giant beings that have features of a krill

[gleaming glacier]

I switch between Dark Dragon and Krill tbh- both good names

[graceful oasis]

Mhm

[frigid tinsel]

In ancestor fic, I have the ancestors refer to them as “dragons.” In skykid fic, I have the skykids refer to them mostly as “krill” but some call them “dragons” too

[hushed steeple]

I said they were looking like krills not named, they're officially called dark dragons

[frigid tinsel]

The implication was still there so I clarified

[hushed steeple]

Sure, also did you know that boat and vehicules parts are attached mostly by light ? As there isn't any bulges of link within each boat piece, that could explain why boats can be found dementled

[frigid tinsel]

What

[eternal totem]

Are you saying the boats are like pieces of Lego

[nimble ingot]

The segmented look of the boats makes me wonder if they were possibly modular.
Or if the pieces can be replaced, like a wheel or a piece of a car, and repaired for another boat to use.
The smallest ones seem like they are just one pieced models, while the largest one (the forgotten ark) has several segments and more diamonds.
Almost like the diamonds are similar in use to the boat as oars/sails are to a real life ship.

[eternal totem]

Like this

[eternal totem]

Isn’t that seen in the Builder’s memory?

[nimble ingot]

interesting, and plausible.
Very few boats are found in one piece. Though understandably, most of them would have fallen to the ground and likely broke apart on impact.

One that does come to mind, which is whole and seemingly dormant (unlit), is the one in the Daylight Prairie cave.
It rests on the water surface in the side cave where the Exhausted Dock Worker's memory is and it never moves .

[gleaming glacier]

Lego boat

[nimble ingot]

Possibly, their memory shows them either building a boat, or upgrading it.

The Slumbering Shipwright is also seen working on a boat, albeit they carving up a piece and not a completed boat just yet.

[eternal totem]

Builder was upgrading it, they were adding a piece to the front of the ship, dunno what it was called

[nimble ingot]

I think it was a way for the boats to be pulled by mantas instead of just relying on diamond power.

[umbral vortex]

Are there anymore of those lore documents yet?

[nimble ingot]

You can look them up in the channel, see the pinned messages, or ask around. 🙂

[umbral vortex]

Ah ok thanks

[tranquil harbor]

Though most lore documents are horribly outdated now

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Not mine Enn

[hushed steeple]

Ecologocal appliance to face the use of polluting diamand engines

[restive silo]

What do we know about forgotten ark? I'm pretty sure the murals on the ark were the work of the people stranded there. I think it tells of how they discovered and harnessed light. There's also the small strip of farmland where they collected food and the posts? maybe to help them see where resources are in the distance. Is it possible that light was a gift from megabird? The umbrella carriers initially had the sparkly light. I think they were excited and shared it with others. Perhaps it was a business opportunity? And the two groups were working together to use the light and sell it to commoners. There are six orbs on the mural and there are six known lights throughout Sky. So they could have been working on that until tragedy struck. The people on the boat are probably from vault because of thier headwear and the diamond containers inside the ark. But why were they on an ark? It couldn't have been just to transport spells. Maybe this has something to do with exploration or the war. But I don't know much about the war? There's a ship in wasteland that seems to be carrying cargo of some kind? It might have been made after the ark was because of the change in design. Ik ships and arks aren't the same but the ship seems more "modern".

[violet sundial]

The umbrella carriers are most likely Lightseekers

As for the selling, I don’t think they sold those colored lights… I feel like there was a more specific purpose to them bringing them to Wasteland, of all places.

[sharp lichen]

I think they used it to try to restore the Sky kingdom. I’ve never heard of them being from Vault, their headwear don’t seem to match any realms in fact. However, there is a large connection between Prophecy and Enchantment, which leads me to believe that the Enchantment crew came from Isle

[violet sundial]

Plus the area is in about the same state as the spirits saw it in

So I don’t think they were looking to sell their super powerful magic at a market or anything because any market would be long gone by then ykyk

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here’s my theory on Enchantment

[restive silo]

I was under the impression they hadn't reached that area on purpose. I'm very interested thou

[violet sundial]

You’re correct abt that, they crashed there i think

[sharp lichen]

I do have to add on it more:

I theorize that the Lightseekers (umbrella carriers) were trying to find the Enchantment Lights, but instead only found generic yellow lights.

@restive silo They did, it’s shown by the murals that they fell out the boat

[violet sundial]

Nodding muralist got stuck in the ground headfirst because of their conical hat

[restive silo]

:o
I'm definitely going to read ur theory.

[eternal totem]

There was a common theory that colored lights are artificially created with pure light & the elements, hence the connection between them & the Lightseekers & that they were business partners of the sort. Either those lights were magic containers for trade/sale or as other theories suggested, to bring back life to the Kingdom

[restive silo]

Woah, that sounds really close to what I said. I'm glad pther people thought of something similar 😊

Do you know anything about the large golden diamond-shaped things at shipwreck?

[eternal totem]

The gold containers?

[restive silo]

These:
sorry for the bad image

[eternal totem]

Yeah those, Iiiiii think those are extracted light energy containers

[restive silo]

Hmm

[nimble ingot]

Theorists have come to call them butterfly jars (If I am not mistaken)
As we see different jars with butterflies sealed in them get transported around by boat.

Perhaps these golden ones had refined light instead?

[violet sundial]

Refined light would probably be power diamonds, would they not?

[snow topaz]

Are there any compilation of spirit relive sequences? Also locations in the flight area (like the 4 islands and such)

Mainly the first because I’ve took a bunch of pics of the second I just wanna know if there’s anywhere important I’ve missed

[violet sundial]

Power diamonds aren’t made of light but there’s a charging/refinement process for those… how would Light be refined aside from being broken down into its purest form?

[violet sundial]

Check the pinned messages. They only include the base game memories i think but hopefully thats still helpful somewhat!

[snow topaz]

Only base game?

[violet sundial]

Ya, like, non seasonal memories… 😔

[snow topaz]

I’d probably be wasting my time and doing it wrong by doing the seasonal spirits

[hushed steeple]

Guys, in dailies we can catch neutral light orbs to get a Candle. I think in the old kingdom, light used to be flying arround, thing you can also see with laughting spirit, they may also refine it as elementary orbs, as the lights makes lights, the elements orbs would make thé element they are

[hushed steeple]

Everytime we see them, there is polluted water arround

[frigid tinsel]

Omg Salem twin

[snow topaz]

Salem twin?

[frigid tinsel]

@keen shore resembles your skid

[snow topaz]

Unreal

[safe sphinx]

Where did the elders come from?

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders are fallen stars, just like skykids

[snow topaz]

I also couldn’t seem to find a bed for navigator
Or chimesmith I don’t think?

[safe sphinx]

what gave them elder status?

also, about the black cape spirit, we see them get spotted by a krill in their memory, but everyone says krills came because of the darkness. did she survive the eruption and just die later?

[snow topaz]

The guide has the hammock, lw has a bed in the area behind the guide zone, I think the order of my images is ruined in my google doc so I can’t tell which areas correspond to which spirits anymore

[frigid tinsel]

There isn’t really a clear timeline of the kingdom’s history. But as shown in Sneaky Survivor’s memories, ancestors and krill existed at the same time, so darkness came when the ancestors were alive. Darkness is likely why the ancestors went extinct

[frigid tinsel]

Prob cos they were sent by Megabird to do... something for the Sky world. Generally it seems anything that falls from the sky is granted divine status. It’s possible the Elders had powers to back up their authority

[snow topaz]

also do I have like, permission to document seasonal spirit sequences if/since it hasn’t already been done

[frigid tinsel]

You don’t need permission — just go for it

[snow topaz]

But I’lllll have to start tomorrow cuz it’s like almost 1am and the wind paths have butchered my iPad

Also what’s the deal with these stone arches on the main island

Also also what’s the deal with the arches in general? Mainly the lit ones

[eternal totem]

Lit ones are summoners/guides for light creatures, the bells mimics their calls

[snow topaz]

Makes sense

What about the unlit ones on the main island then

[versed reef]

That’s quite interesting,

[eternal totem]

Probably just for scenery

[versed reef]

I wonder why there are butterfly patterns on them

[snow topaz]

Does anyone know the locations for the beds of navigator, builder and chimesmith if they have any

[eternal totem]

There’s none, all I know is that Chimesmith takes power naps at their workshop

[snow topaz]

There’s none.

That’s simply no good. Who cut the budget for bedding?
All the money must have been spent on those decorative arches

[eternal totem]

It could be that they used the beds at Whisperer’s island, or just set up hammocks quickly

[snow topaz]

Also does nav’s island have anything other than candles, arches, ladders, about 3 floor jars and a few shelves

[frigid tinsel]

I know the devs have said once that they wanted to make living spaces for the Prophets in the Cave of Prophecies but ran out of time, could be a similar case here

[rigid mural]

maybe they have one of those couches that can turn into beds

[snow topaz]

their pillows are the metals and bricks they use for their chimes and boats

[eternal totem]

I think so too

[rigid mural]

they invite you for a quick brunch at their workshop and you see this

[snow topaz]

We sleepin on the converticouch tonight

[keen shore]

TWIN ?

[eternal totem]

I don’t like to limit myself as much as the game limits itself, I’m sure they do have their own comfortable living spaces, but since they’re spirits it would save up development time not to showcase those

[snow topaz]

Apparently

I know not what you look like

[eternal totem]

Could be simplified bird patterns than butterflies? Just like how we drew birds in kindergarten

[rigid mural]

Builder island has a ladder leading to a tiny hideout, i bet it's bigger and their bedroom in-universe !

[keen shore]

I’m you but shorter

[snow topaz]

Omg baby sib

It is good to see another sassy

[keen shore]

im the evil twin

[eternal totem]

Builder & Chimesmith definitely share a living space so there’s still Navigator, but they seem the type to sleep crash just about anywhere

[snow topaz]

Evil lemon is an angry blue baby berry

[snow topaz]

Ay that’s exactly what I thought
I also for a while couldn’t find his island so assumed he was just entirely homeless cuz he’s that kind of guy

[keen shore]

Broke: every flight spirit has a different island and bed
Woke: flight spirit cuddle pile

[snow topaz]

I didn’t look any further I was like “huh, okay. that makes sense” and left it at that

[eternal totem]

Elder bird buddle pile

[keen shore]

lively navigator goes into one of those little caves on the main island & curls up in it like a cat in a box

[eternal totem]

Hole that’s comically in the shape of Navigator curled up

[frigid tinsel]

“It’s me sized.”

[keen shore]

If they fits they sits

[snow topaz]

Navigator shaped pit that almost reaches from the top to the bottom of the island because they just wear away at the land
When it rains, navigator shaped dry patch

[keen shore]

The only other explanation I have is that maybe some of them slept in tents instead, n those tents got blown away somehow. Although I can totally see them sharing two island areas, all the flight spirits seem really close

[gleaming glacier]

Hc the spirits are above beds and just sleep wherever they want/pass out

[snow topaz]

They ascend to the a whole different plane of existence to take a 5 minute power nap

[keen shore]

the real reason they wear capes: portable blanket

[snow topaz]

That’s funny because I have an oc who gets adopted by nav and they’re just a little baby so when they get cold nav gives them his cape so they can sleep nice and cozy

[gleaming glacier]

Nah cause that’s actually smart

[snow topaz]

the child also cannot fly and has no winged light for unspecified and undetermined reasons

[keen shore]

This is kinda related bc the whole sharing rooms things but what’s everyone’s headcanons on the flight spirits’ relation to each other?? I am curious

For example, I like to imagine that chimesmith and navigator are siblings :]

[gleaming glacier]

Guide is the mom friend

[snow topaz]

Chime and builder are close and have older sibling energies, nav is the annoying middle sibling and goofball, lw has the mildly chaotic little sister energy and guide is def mom friend vibes

[keen shore]

navigator being the middle sibling explains why I keep accidentally forgetting they exist

[snow topaz]

👁️

for me it’s chimesmith or builder I forget about—

[sharp lichen]

Sneaky stance is best 🤝

[keen shore]

Chimesmith imprinted on my brain immediately bc I looked at their stance n thought Kitty cat

[snow topaz]

Lego pfp detected

[eternal totem]

I do the same hand thing Chimesmith does so immediately my favorite

[sharp lichen]

I’d imagine the Flight spirits rarely sleeping, tending to the animals and making sure trade flows in are probably time-consuming jobs!

[snow topaz]

For me it was navigator I think
They are just
Belov

First spirit i relived, chaotic hobo tide pod man, broken in cutscenes

[eternal totem]

I’m rather indecisive so I keep flip flopping between interpretation, but Chimesmith & Builder being siblings I never considered (or saw) I often saw them shipped

[gleaming glacier]

Hobo tide pod man is a surprisingly accurate description

[sharp lichen]

The much beloved sequel to Crab Whisperer

[snow topaz]

Anyone crab related is a special breed of chaotic

[eternal totem]

Waaait I can’t read Chimesmith & NAVIGATOR

[keen shore]

SIFJWOFIEOFI YEA. I see chimesmith and builder shipped a LOT, although I personally don’t. I’ve never really thought about how they’d be related to each other, honestly. Half tempted to make talented builder the Older sibling but some part of me is like no, that’s too much siblings

[snow topaz]

I’m tryna rack my brains for some other interesting features of the main flight islands that I noticed but aside from the shallow pool I can’t think of anything

[keen shore]

I barely ever think about spirit ships to be honest, the rare few I do like are ones other people thought of.. it’s just never something that crosses my mind, so my thoughts are usually like “huh?” When I hear about them regardless

[eternal totem]

Eeh, we typically have bigger families so no such thing as too much siblings, at one point I considered Rhythm to have 11 siblings

[raw crypt]

light whisperer and navigator are siblings in my hc, flight hc requirement is siblings apparently

[frigid tinsel]

Ah yes, characters who are shipped by part of the fandom who are also seen as siblings by another part of the community, nothing will go wrong

[eternal totem]

Yeeeeaaaah…

[gleaming glacier]

I was assigning siblings to Rhythm based on who has the same sort of mask and there were so many so I gave up

[snow topaz]

I can’t think of manyany ships I have aside from chime/builder

[eternal totem]

Siblings: gotta assign ‘em all

[gleaming glacier]

Mothers in Sky are built different

[snow topaz]

It’s literally all siblings
Imagine the family gatherings oml

[gleaming glacier]

Twin sets galore

[eternal totem]

I don’t either honestly, there’s only one I’m really into but only because I personally think it’s a heavily missed opportunity to not explore further

[snow topaz]

I think I might (and probably should) go to bed since it’s past 1am now

[keen shore]

That’s also true! I can see all the flight spirits being a big sibling group, I mean there’s nothing really against that idea and it’s really cute. Flight guide being the oldest out of the siblings (I think it was mentioned somewhere that they were supposed to be the leader??) is a really sweet idea, I love it a lot

[frigid tinsel]

The only Sky ship I have is Cannoneer x Angler x Abyss guide cos 1) spite, I saw ship battles and 2) polyamory rocks amiright

[eternal totem]

Oh right, at one point I considered Percy/Stagehand/Musician but

[gleaming glacier]

I ship PerfGuide and Stagehand cause of how they interact in Harmony Hall, like there’s something between them

Honestly though every spirit in Performance seems gay so maybe it’s a big polycule /j

[eternal totem]

Remove that /j, be brave

[eternal totem]

They can be an adoptive/found family also, they definitely are

[frigid tinsel]

Found family

[gleaming glacier]

Found family

[keen shore]

YEAH THAT WAS MY OTHER IDEA, although it does make me wonder how they’d meet

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think Sky relationships can blur the line of relationship conventions/boundaries held irl. Lots of found family, lots of queerplatonic

[gleaming glacier]

Sky definitely bends ‘typical’ relationship boundaries and I love that about it

[keen shore]

with the whole thing abt flight guide being days apprentice, I wonder if any of the flight spirits are THEIR apprentices??

They also definitely have some link going on with sanctuary, but I’m not sure to what extent it is. I love flight lore because I want to steal the gender of every spirit on those gay little islands

[gleaming glacier]

Spirit gender is my favorite gender

[eternal totem]

Whisperer is said to be the youngest so I’m sure they were transferred into the islands one day & they all went “we’re adopting you now” (Although maybe not as direct as I’m making it sound to be)

[keen shore]

relwtabale

I wonder if there’s any relations between the flight and sanctuary spirits… I would think they just have a working relationship but I’m not sure. Jellyfish and light whisperer are probably friends though

[gleaming glacier]

I hc all the whisperers are friends just cause

[frigid tinsel]

Whisperer convention that’s just a menagerie of creature noises

[gleaming glacier]

I approve of this

[keen shore]

furry convention

[eternal totem]

Yeah it could be business as they both take care of wildlife, but I mean this is Sky so they’re definitely all are friends

[nova meadow]

Found this mural, is this how power diamonds are made? By I assume draining the light out of mantas?
The mantas get mutated too it seems, maybe to produce more light? They get sort of krill shaped…

[wanton robin]

Ah I assumed they used the Manta's light and the power diamonds to keep the king krill locked away

[waxen quest]

Is there a reason why the top of the vault (where the statues of the elders are) is at the orbit/post Eden flying sequence?

[rigid mural]

i like to think it's because the top of the vault is a projection meant to mimic what you see in orbit !

[gleaming glacier]

I think it’s canon there was a ‘manta-juicer’ of sort though I’m not sure

[torn eagle]

its not really shown ingame but there is a concept art of a light extractor

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting you can find these structures in Forest Elder temple and Wasteland’s broken temple

[sharp lichen]

Yes! I’ve even made a mantas to power diamond equation.

@nimble ingot From the Sky wiki: The geometric mean of all ratios of cumulative cost of winged light (the 11th root of 200) gives us 1.618767, a number uncannily close to the Golden Mean (1.618033).

[gleaming glacier]

Those poor mantas

[nova meadow]

my message got filtered :(

[safe sphinx]

would skykids have last names?

or middle names ftm?

[frigid tinsel]

middle and last names only exist irl to track family lineages. skykids don't have lineages, so they wouldn't have a use for middle orlast names

[graceful oasis]

Skykids randomly come up with random names for each other. The only reason I believe this is the random name generator for friends.

[nimble ingot]

The Golden ratio!?
Oh, that's just perfact.
I love Sky ❤️

Thanks Alasdair for sharing this.
And Thanks Baudshaw for working it out with Math.

[hushed steeple]

Guys, the builder in season of flight engined the construction of Eden's kingdom :
Same architecture

He also were against the production of diamand, as he was trying to find ecological way to make boat and make them move without light from diamands :

As you Can see it's attached with stick and led by a manta, rather than sticked by light and moving by swingers engined with diamands

[nimble ingot]

Only of you like to.

Skykids tend to give themselves and each other names. Whether these names match or not, depends on the relationship between a given pair of skykids and if the name given is a nickname.

Perhaps it is like Warrioir Cats, where the cat gets given a name, but later one can change it as they take a new name.

As in, a prefix is given at birth, and suffix is their rank (ex. -kit is for a youngster).
The name is based on what they are, look like or represent.

Maybe for skykids (fanon idea), they get called moth or chibi just as a nickname or descriptor. And given a nickname like Angel or Bird. But their chosen name would be used to address them intendly (like calling a kid by their full name when things are serious.)

[hushed steeple]

We then official should be called "Messenger from the clouds"
It's the name of one of thé soundtrcak when leaving Eden's kingdom to orbit

[nimble ingot]

I used to wonder why these boats looked odd conoared to the usual diamond powered ones.

Just to realise they are made shallower to make them lighter and easier to rest kn the ground.
These might be proper airborne boats that may not do well in the water.
But can still skim the top and go in shallow water (which most deep hull boats would eb forced to fly over).

[nimble ingot]

Maybe.

I just went over what skykids call each other.

I have no idea if the ancestors would have a different name for us skykids other than "child".

Perhaps if the relationship of the spirit is high enough, they may learn the name of the skykid and go with that when addressing one in particular.

[hushed steeple]

It would start making a society, please no, I want to fly freely

[rapid arrow]

So I visited the Isle temple since we can all use that nostalgia and the image on the top of the door looks oh so similar to aviary, which adds onto another thing

I think the ancestors knew about home space in a away

[hushed steeple]

They made it for us, the constelation of our wing is designed to make us, messengers, fall here in a peaceful place

Where they would start being on their way following the last lit ancestor, the Elder of Isle, and start lighting others

[nimble ingot]

A society that only shows itself in small communities of skykids.

Skykids that tend to be nomadic or loners would probably not tske notice or mind of it, unless they get irked for being called by another name than the one they introduced themselves as.

[rapid arrow]

So lore chat, it is upon us. I have my sand shovel to dig/j

[hushed steeple]

Gosh darn it the king is back at it again destroying the sky world

[pastel holly]

Waiting for lore chat to explode /j

[gleaming glacier]

Resh we discussed this you’ve already destroyed Sky once you can’t do it again /j

[noble ferry]

Resh commits insurance fraud via eden shards, dammit resh /j

[restive bridge]

I found statues of resh in the battlefield in gw

[nimble ingot]

Gooooood Morning Lorechat of Sky!!!

[waxen quest]

Resh is so kind he just wants to share rocks with everyone

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact, the Guide has a tiny diamond inside 💠

[gleaming glacier]

So I finished the shard thing- ||what do the jellyfish have to do with anything revolving around Eden||

[orchid jolt]

||They are likely in the middle of ascending through orbit. You can also see some king jelly's in the limbo area, they only show up in orbit||

[nimble ingot]

Appreciate the Spoiler tags.
||Same reason why most light creatures used to migrate to the Light. You can even see them on the way to Orbit.||

[orchid jolt]

||Love these plants||

[gleaming glacier]

||Flying dark plants ||

[orchid jolt]

||in the shard thing, it seems that you can stand on the central red crystal, only the other ones seem to damage you||

[gleaming glacier]

||I touched one of the smaller crystals and immediately lost a light so- yeah don’t do that||

[orchid jolt]

||Only the central large one won't hurt you, the rest will||

[gleaming glacier]

Good to know /gen

[orchid jolt]

I don't know what that tone indicator means lol

[gleaming glacier]

Genuine, like, I mean it

[rapid arrow]

|| so personally I think the jelly’s are a pre explosion version of the jellies in sky. I call them prince jellies, I think that while they were ascending to orbit they got trapped and turned into the king jellies we see in after explosion||

[nimble ingot]

For those who have played with the shards XD
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP94CPkCmVU ||

[nimble ingot]

||Royal Jellies 😄 ||

[rapid arrow]

Yee

[waxen quest]

Omg its pregnant

[gleaming glacier]

Baby crystal

[nimble ingot]

don't XD
It is a rock.
It is probably just a piece of it. But I like how it is like a nesting doll.

[waxen quest]

Yeah it is just a rock. But how is it a guide

[nimble ingot]

It is the guide of the season.

[heavy otter]

the guide can emote

[nimble ingot]

As much as a floating bundle of shards can, like the Little Prince Rose.

Strange how these two season have Eden themes in them, and their guides are not ancestors. Probably a coincidence

[copper saffron]

here comes the lorechat
also, what if the flying spinny dark plants are seeds of darkness?

[heavy otter]

hmmm i think eden may be getting worse cuz season of flight had a problem with rocks

[nimble ingot]

Eden may have always been getting worse, like a raging fire.
And us skykids are just working on keeping it contained, while the spirits help.

[gleaming glacier]

The storm keeps getting larger

[heavy otter]

i wonder what would happen if the sky kids cant contain it

[gleaming glacier]

It would destroy the kingdom again like it presumably did under Resh’s rule

[heavy otter]

damn

[nimble ingot]

Probably
Game Over

[heavy otter]

oof rip sky kids

[wanton ivy]

hi lore chat how are we feeling after the first season quest??

[midnight sonnet]

Confused

[nimble ingot]

Excited

[heavy otter]

same

[outer hare]

Terrified and bobbit

[slim plume]

We love Bobbit

[nova meadow]

A juicer? I thought the light would be drained out of mantas until they are almost dead. My theory is that vault of knowledge mantas are the results of the draining- Maybe some get sent to vault after they become useless, to help the scholars reach places. The fact these mantas are transparent support the idea that their light is mostly drained- They can hardly hold a physical form and therefore are mostly transparent. I've also noticed that when you jump off a prairie manta, you get launched into the air. This isn't the same with vault mantas, theoretically they do not have enough light to boost you.

[slim plume]

Ironic, since the Vault Mantas cannot "vault" your sky kid.

On a serious note, Vault Mantas are called "spirit mantas" in-game, you may be on to something

[nova meadow]

On one of the final floors of vault, you can see a manta with multiple.. wings I think I'll call it? Perhaps the failed experiments to mutate mantas get sent to vault if they are harmless

[formal oxide]

maybe vault mantas are like "holographic" projections stored in the vault as an archival thing, of some sort

[next terrace]

I have a feeling we are gonna descend into another Edenplosion (Eden explosion) so im slightly concerned

[nimble ingot]

That one may be called a Cosmic manta / Elder Spirit Manta (Not sure where the source would be from the game itself, or concept art. Though the Wiki has that name for the creature). The canon name of the creature may not be it, though that is what we have to work with:
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures#Large_Cosmic_Mantas:~:text=scenery of Sanctuary.-,Elder Spirit Mantas,-These appear to

What is interesting about the cosmic/spirit mantas is the whisperer spirit that has their call is called, Memory Whisperer.

[nova meadow]

Perhaps they are documentations of experiments?

[slim plume]

If we're going off of the "Vault Elder is trying to preserve the Vault but they're memory is faulty so they've just resorted to daydreaming and imagining the rest of it" theory the spirit mantas could be just that, a product of the Vault Elder imagining things. It'd also tie in with the fact that the whisperer spirit is called "Memory Whisperer," as these mantas would literally just be memories of the Vault Elder. I guess the question now is what memory/ies are they

[nova meadow]

Speaking of the vault elder, what's the diamond shaped object they're holding in the cutscene? Is it a small power diamond?

[nimble ingot]

Starlight Desert also gives a hint: "Where Dreamlike worlds collide"

Vault has been mentioned to be Dreamlike by devs. Partly as the theme of the realm, partly because it represents Night, and partly because of the implications it presents as skykids explore the realm.
Most notably is the realm takes place inside a mountain, yet when the walls are taken away, skykids are left in a void like space that seemingly goes on forever in every direction.
In the emptiness, resides what remains of the ancestor's ruined structures and floating islands.

It may be the realm's way of preserving what it has left after the Eden realm above it has possibly destroyed part of the mountain.
Or to reflect how the world is falling apart, but skykids are able to piece together the history and bring hope to the world with it.

[wooden jasper]

The forest elder was a traitor

[nimble ingot]

The Forest elder is also seen holding this diamond in the past.
They forged it in their cutscene, and in Orbit, they used to hold one in their hands in the past (while the model has changed and seemingly no longer has it, the actual model of the diamond can still be found in the orbit, it is just moved far away.)

The all elders cutscene even shows another power diamond, although it a speculation.
The mural for Eden shows the Eden Elder (A large figure that represents the elder, and is believed to be the King), holding an Orb.
The Orb could possibly be a piece of light, or as speculated, to be a diamond that has exploded (just a hypothesis, there is not much in game lore that helps this case, though the lore overall and concept art all tend to point in this direction).

[wooden jasper]

also battlefield in wastleland
Could elders have fought a battle there against forest elder?

[nimble ingot]

Power diamonds were seeminly made by the ancestors and the elders alike. While the game just shows us skykids that the forest elder can forge them, the mural for them in the all elder scene shows ancestors were also part of the process.

While the elder and the ancestors messed up, badly.
It is unlikely that the elders are the villains of the game.

This is because the devs (including Jenova Chen) mentioned that they did not want the elders to be portrayed as the 'bad guys'.
Making an evil character is difficult to sympathize with.
Most villains in modern children's stories have some relatable traits, because it makes them more human.

There may be more that I can elaborate on, though in short.
The elders would most likely be anti-heroes at worst in the lore, though certainly not innocent given the series of events that cause the mess in the first place.

[nova meadow]

I'm not sure if there was a battle with forest elder, but there was definitely something that happened between them and the rest of the elders. I'd say it would be more reasonable that the elder was exiled. That's why they dont show up in the 5th quest. There's no sign of battle or struggle in forest's temple really, so an exile sounds more credible

[trim yoke]

Lore chat, I have something for y'all:
Detail on Eden's castle thanks to eden mist

[wooden jasper]

WHY AM I SUCH A TERRIBLE PERSON😭😭😭😭😭😭
AT LORE

[trim yoke]

Actually it's very much wrong, I believe it was GW Vs Eden, as the very same point edge blades found in the first broken room in eden are around the power crystal to open the gates, alongside Wasteland spears-

[gleaming glacier]

This would all be so much easier if tgc gave us context to what they show us but we all know they’re contextphobic /hj

[heavy otter]

there is no context in indie games

[slim plume]

TRUE

[gleaming glacier]

If Undertale can have context so can Sky

[nimble ingot]

Each elder represents a part of the Sky kingdom.
For example, Dawn brought boats (being they are a ferryman), Day brought creatures, Forest represents the diamond technology, Valley is the culture, Wasteland is the bravery/battle hardiness, and Vault represents the history and knowledge that the ancestors kept.

While there was a battle in the wastes, there is destruction seen in every realm, albeit it varies in severity.

Eden has it worse across the board, though that is also where the source of the darkness presides. Being that it is 'ground zero' it is a wonder that skykid can even make up there in one piece.

[wooden jasper]

i think that eden was once a home for spirits

because of the broken temple
But i think eden was abandoned because someone did something.
Maybe elders?
Exploiting resources or something?
The king?

[heavy otter]

pretty sure the king did something ?

[neon mirage]

I don’t think this quest is available in live game yet so it probably should stay in beta to avoid spoilers

[wooden jasper]

done that😀
all gone😀

[gleaming glacier]

Eden looks like it’s an entire city beyond the castle when you’re flying through it

[nimble ingot]

The lore is left open to interpretation for players to make of it as they wish.

When it comes to the lore, the new season pretty much sums it up.
It is a shattered and incomplete image of what the canon lore could be like.
Folks are welcome to speculate and explore the lore to their hearts' content.

What is clear, as how theorist on this channel have come to this conclusion in the past, how Skies Dawn in the moment, and how new users will in the future is this.
The world of Sky is broken, and the King did play a major role in it.

That is how it will be until the game, or the devs state otherwise.

[hushed steeple]

Nope, I disagree with the view of a squeleton manta, with which when you call, appears his light soul.

Eden's kingdom was a royal kingdom for royal being, their society was a hierarchycal, as you can see, small being following bigger one. The imposant kingdom was made to show all over the reall the power of the king. Also to menace any bieng against his will as for example ecologist.

[hushed steeple]

From what I see here, is a platform that collapsed on itself, not an ark sadly.

[hushed steeple]

The vault tower is also present in Eden's kingdom as a bigger copy. The smaller one we're getting throught is for the non-royal society who wanna study.

Somehow the only creature we can see spirited are mostly jellyfishes

[trim yoke]

Hm?

[trim yoke]

I believe the eden temple was abandoned due to eden exploding, that's why it's so desolate and only light creatures are seen around it. Migrating creatures trapped in the path to megabird on recycle for new life

[supple sierra]

I have a theory for the 1st seasonal quest ||jellyfish memory|| & about other animals

ancestor spirits, & animals are all creatures of light and when they got hit by flying shards from eden & instantly lost all their light, they 'die' and go to limbo (dark realm)

But the "animals" cannot ascend to the orbit like ancestors do (it is said at intro that the elders are helping ancestors, the other creatures of light weren't mentioned).

So they're stuck in the limbo forever and can never pass on to orbit as stars.
(what we see at the end of the 1st quest are the || memories of the jellyfishes that went to limbo yet can't move on ||

The true body? well they remain as stones we see at this season's new realm

Meanwhile animals like krills & crabs haven't lost all their light (since their eyes could still emit light tho not much). They just undergo mutations after being constantly exposed by the darkness and could live off small amounts of light.

[magic gull]

Or because krills and crabs represent darkness so that's why they didn't extinct

[supple sierra]

a pic after finishing the 1st quest

|| surroundings are dark & the jellyfishes doesn't move from their spot ||

[supple sierra]

I saw somewhere (I forgot if the devs confirmed it or not) that Krills & Crab were once also light creatures

like the harmless crabs at isle sanctuary

another theory from me is that they're both stronger than other species because they both have shells

but yea they do represent darkness now so it could be bc of that

[magic gull]

Then why only some creatures got darkness and other represent light

[supple sierra]

imo it's bc of this (the stronger shell theory)

I think the light creatures that we see (manta, fish, whale-turtle) existed long ago at GW & Eden but ran away to other safer realms/died bc of the explosion

[magic gull]

This season could have so much potential to represent the lore in much interesting way ,tgc should take more time in creating these season so player can discuss about lore

[spark cairn]

Something I noticed. This is the only cracked statue in the vault temple

[supple sierra]

yea agreed, hopefully they'll touch the lore about what happened to elders/ancestors too in future quests

[rigid mural]

I think Abyss guide is meant to be a teen tho

[nimble ingot]

Yup.
The Vault of Knowledge.

Which can be rhe library, an archive, a repositry, a bunker or any variant stemming from the name itself.

[nimble ingot]

True.
In theory, we can have milky white ones, but the transparent ones seem to be more abundant.

[nimble ingot]

RIP the violin / hurdy gurdy / string instrument

[frigid tinsel]

Ages are hard to page

[rigid mural]

Wym ???

[frigid tinsel]

Even irl I struggle to age people. Before the concept art was released, I wasn’t sure how to age Abyss guide. A lot of the spirits in game I can’t figure out their ages. Sure, they’re mostly adults, but 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s? Older? Are the Assembly kids actually kids or teenagers?

[frigid tinsel]

I’m saying before the concept art was released.
Abyss guide is likely teenager, got it

Sinks my ship but I’ll figure something out

[rigid mural]

Yeah I know DFT was started before we got to see these, so I just wanted to point that out.

[slim plume]

Canoneer and Abyss Guide have an older sister-younger sister relationship imo. I also saw a headcanon somewhere that the quests we do in the Abyss season are just us reliving what the Abyss Guide did when they were alive, and applying that to the fifth quest, there's a lot of angst potential

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t written that part yet so there’s still room for changes

[rigid mural]

Could have Cannonneer and Angler adopt that kid that's really kind but still unaware of how dangerous the stormy seas can get !

[wooden jasper]

i think assembly kids are 13 or 14

???

[rigid mural]

I don't really theorise ages beyond "oh yeah that's a teen" just because the ancestors are almost blank slates, we get their vibes but their story is super vague

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer does sorta kidnap/save Abyss guide’s life in the fic depending on the perspective

[rigid mural]

Abyss guide definitely strikes me as a fellow minor that wants to help us and get our help to prove our worth to the adults, typical YA novel topic where adults look down on teens.

[frigid tinsel]

As someone who already struggles to determine people’s ages, I just go with rough estimates. Might go precise for fic purposes but I’m just throwing numbers around based on those estimates

[trim yoke]

Just an FYI there's two jelly types in teh limbo memories. Normal and larger ones with crowns. The crowned ones me and my partner ( @rapid arrow ) have decided to call the crowned ones "Prince Jellies" as they have small crowns rather than larger ones like we see in our passage to Orbit and seem relatively smaller too... Just a thought I'd drop here seems she kinda came up with it more than I did

[rigid mural]

Ngl I personally don't think I need ages to tell a story; The only instance I do is when I call my ocs skyfolk instead of skykids (essentially aging them up), because I'm not comfortable writing kids going through traumatic things like Eden trips ending in a fiasco or being severely wounded due to the shattering events.
Like yeah I know that children don't have plot armor against that stuff irl, but it doesn't mean I want to write about it.

[dense fractal]

yahallo lore chat, may i interest you in some lore that speculates around the nature of dark water / plants and how it affects both skykids and our ancestors alike?

For Context, I have made a pt. 1 on this theory way back during the release of TLP but I'll send a sort of recap here :

I had a theory and sort of observation regarding the way dark water affects both spirits and us skykids in game. Slouching Soldier's memory as well as the entire area where they are opened a probability that darkness affects a spirit's memories. I used Soldier's dialogue as a basis for this theory and my observation.

He says he "drinks to forget" and he is surrounded by dozens of big bottles of substance which i am guessing is the dark water. [In my theory, I believe that the dark water's side affects our ancestors experience includes amnesia. Which is also a factor as to why we have carry spirits in locations where lots of dark water / plants are around , especially in the second part of golden wasteland. Due to the dark water, their memories become hazy and difficult to relieve hence why they need extra help from us : light sources!]

[rigid mural]

[dense fractal]

Now, fast forward to Shattering. While the Q1 of this Season doesn't have that much to go by, it did have this one tiny detail that basically confirmed my observation. That is the light fragments that we have to collect in order to obtain the memory. We are supposed to retrieve light fragments from crabs to unlock the memory, yes? It made me wonder why the big red crabs were mostly attacking a mere memory instead of an existing skykid.

So i stopped for a bit (there were lots of us dw) and I saw that there was a lil timer thingy on top of the fragment and it goes down the more they attack it and THEN that's when it hit me that crabs in game don't just attack us because we are a light creature/source , they attack us because we are capable of holding a memory.

Dark creatures will do anything to destroy any source of memories because their objective is to corrupt. It would also justify why we get a creepy memory instead of an entire cutscene. the memory itself is really corrupted by the shards, hence why the area is also pretty dim. There isn't much to go by afterwards, but I think this is a really nice take on the role of darkness here in Sky!

These memories are soooo corrupted by the darkness that they don't appear like they should be. It's all hazy and difficult to decipher. Maybe because there's not much darkness in the Village Theater, we were able to interact with the memories of the Performance Spirits much better (like literally holding their hands and all) , and because of so much mucky water by the graveyard, it made Pleaful's memory so bad we had to carry him across the map to be able to see his memory

this is just speculation of course, feel free to add on whatever y'all feel should be here

[frigid tinsel]

Light does seem to be encoded with memory (spirit memories give you a bit of light) so since dark water takes light, it could take mess with ancestors’ memories too

[hushed steeple]

Little prince season has no view on Sky's lore, they used dark water to show that drinking is bad and you should assume yourself

[dense fractal]

Was this ever confirmed?

[frigid tinsel]

True, you don’t need to specify age to tell a story, thhough characters still carry that general vibe of how old they are. Experience and maturity are not age-centric, but they’re tightly correlated. There’s also some marketing crap in the publishing industry that’s set by character age. so I find it important for me to at least have an understanding of a character’s age.

I do dislike the thought that some horrific things do happen to children irl and can’t standing reading it myself — there are lines I won’t cross — so I understand the impulse to age up skykids for when they do deal with traumatic things. I just, as someone who’s original WIPs largely center around older teenagers and adults, writing skykids as kids is more of an exercise and a breath of fresh air. Kids handle things differently than adults. It’s interesting musing how that plays out.

[hushed steeple]

Well, in Sky, dark water are residutes of the pollution in Sky, and so imagine a spirit drinking poison

[frigid tinsel]

Just because SoTLP was a collab season doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant to Sky lore. You can tell the devs worked to integrate The Little Prince into the Sky world, so it seems shortsighted to simply dismiss it because it was a collab with outside content

[dense fractal]

Ah my bad I should've been more clear : I meant the "TLP Season having no view on Sky's Lore" part — was that ever confirmed?

[hushed steeple]

I agree on the fact that children sees the world differently from adults, in sky our purpose asked by our "mom" the light (I would say mom because we are their childs) we want to recover the light, but what spirits really wants from us is our power, thing se don't know but keep going to do.

[frigid tinsel]

It was never confirmed

[flat tangle]

Hey guys can you please tell me why there is a bird here

[frigid tinsel]

Leftover from an old Light Awaits quest

[flat tangle]

Ohh okay
Thankyou

[hushed steeple]

Oh, no, I don't mean that, If I did my apologies. But think a little, dark waters are waste. We can suppose that the fallen soldier drinks something more like alcohol rather than pollution waste, which would destroy the link with sky's lore as it's not wastes but alcohol. Also the spirits in TLP season are also there for a little phylosophy and to make an ad for the LTP.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe because it's the symbol of mouvement, sports, It's a Swallow if I'm not wrong. As it has a very fast Moving speed and agility, it could represent every sports using sliding on ice?

Or because we're going to the flying race.

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are kids — hence the name. Granted that’s not their canon name (iirc) though the player character is very childlike so it wouldn’t be far off from regarding them as children. Nonetheless they go through these horrible things such as Eden and the pressure of saving a whole kingdom — that’s a lot for a child.

Also you can have a paternal figure that’s not a “mother.” There’s no gender in Sky. Megabird, if you consider Them the paternal figure, is of multiplicity. Not saying you should stop using the term “mom” but rather to challenge of why any parental figure has to been deemed with “feminine energy.”

And I doubt the spirits are greedy and just see skykids as power sources — many seem friendly and skykids are friendly in turn. I sense no manipulation or ill will from the spirits. That would be antithetical to Sky’s themes of mutual love and compassion.

[hushed steeple]

I used the term mother to give a sense for what I was going to say, but feminine energy are the right words. Well their greedness led them to a certain death, by polluting their environnement. Maybe they don't want the light to pollute again.

If we give ancestor our light, following the lore, it's because light sent us there to link them back to "her" as they are her friends. Eden used to be the one linking them to light forever.

[frigid tinsel]

I’m not feeling well enough to go into the whole gender trouble, but worth noting that there are a lot of masculine parents and parental figures who have no lick of femininity. It is unfair to link caregiving as a “feminine” trait. Parenthood is more than just mothers.

We could argue how greedy ancestor civilization was as a whole, yet they faced their hubris with the disaster that could’ve knocked them down a leg. And just cos the kingdom had reckless pursuits for power doesn’t mean every individual ancestor was greedy and careless. There’s a theory that the war in Wasteland was a civil war between ancestors and Elders who fought to save light from the darkness pollution and those who defended darkstone technology despite the consequences. If true, then not every ancestor nor would every spirit we encounter is greedy, agreed with power diamond manufacturing, or disaligned with the sanctity of light.

I don’t think ancestors are deprived of light. They do have light, they’re just stuck in the world because of darkness. Darkness, as a force, consumes and holds onto light — too much darkness and light cannot move. Skykids then are sent to clear away the darkness (holding a candle to petrified ancestors or freeing mantas & butterflies from darkness plants, for example) so that the beings of light can continue moving and ascend back to the Light.

[marsh rivet]

do you guys think that skykids have any sort of organs? i believe they have none except maybe a heart-like one that stores their winged light's energy and i think it's there too cause of the little heartbeat sound you get in some areas and situations. also although skykids breathe, snore, yawn and sigh, i am a firm believer of no lungs for skykids. they just mimic the sounds and body movements of what they see in the ancestor spirits since they probably believe the chest lifting thingy is a part of the expression. skykids are part of the #noorgangang

[frigid tinsel]

I love this /gen

[heavy otter]

That's my head cannon

[frigid tinsel]

I personally ascribe to the “clayshell” theory, which views skykids as composed of a hollow shell that’s full of light. They don’t have organs unless you count their flame as an organ.

Despite the name, there are a lot of materials the shell is thought to be made out of, though clay is the most popular option.

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[eternal totem]

I don’t think they do either, I was just thinking yesterday how they probably don’t bleed either, their shell might crack but the wound wouldn’t permanently scar (unless it succumbs to darkness)

[rigid mural]

On discord, devs seem to call them skykids.

[frigid tinsel]

Oh yea... that.
Why are people

[heavy otter]

Bruh

[midnight sonnet]

Ew gross who would do that

[frigid tinsel]

😔

[sharp lichen]

Yes, I love math in Sky

[rigid mural]

I love your take on that; symbolically, darkness could represent immutability in the face of change; most of the time it just naturally happens (a rock that will take some time to be eroded by a river) but sometimes it's a quality sought after (a building withstanding time, someone that won't back down from a fight) and sometimes it's a hindrance (someone refusing to change their habits even if they are ultimately harmful).

Light could be seen as the opposite since it's quite literally a flow that goes from the farthest reaches of the kingdom to ascend to Eden before raining back down upon the world, much like the water cycle or tides. Light that keeps on changing hands, one life is spent as a fish, the next is spent as a bird.

However, I think they complete eachother. A balance must be struck between holding firm on your feet and going with the flow.

[rigid mural]

im going to cry

i think i will never live this down

[nimble ingot]

Nope, it is part of lore chat history.
The highest honour one can bestow in this channel.

[rigid mural]

the buff actor incident

[covert carbon]

PFFF

[simple orchid]

[nimble ingot]

Hello

[simple orchid]

nice to meet you

[frigid tinsel]

Why is this so accurate dhdhbfbfbc

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the Lorechat
Where the lore is open to interpretation, plenty of shenanigans are had, and skykids can talk about the game.

[simple orchid]

OK，thanks

[frigid tinsel]

Just noticed

[rigid mural]

-final notes of Hall of the Mountain King playing-

[frigid tinsel]

I borrowed a lot from your idea of how light and darkness can complement each other. It was a while back but I liked it so much it imprinted on me. Light in this game is often portrayed as a cycle and darkness holds onto light — perhaps, as often thought, they were once in a balance. We see the consequences of too much darkness but magine if there was too much light in the world — Things would change so much, there’d be no foundation for the security of home, no rest, being blindsided by so much alternation it’d be impossible to recognize anything or feel comfort in familiarity

[midnight sonnet]

without dark theres no light without despair theres no hope

[rigid mural]

I think too much light would make the process of getting individual memories difficult as well; if light is constantly changing without a minute to take the world in, then megabird would not get anything from it

[midnight sonnet]

and you can go on and on with that

without shadow theres no light etc etc

[rigid mural]

i just want to let you know i love this so much

[frigid tinsel]

Cross this one off your bingo cards

[midnight sonnet]

Does this mean anything

[sharp lichen]

CRABS CAN ASCEND NOW CRABS CAN ASCEND NOW

[hidden kite]

WHAT

[sharp lichen]

Let me give you some:
Lorechat turns over to the Math

Sunglasses gets referenced

“Wait, There’s lore?”

Lorechat drifts away wildly from lore

[eternal totem]

I still think how somewhere within Ash’s drive is an alt version of Rhythm fingers

[fickle tundra]

any ideas if this place was a spirit's or animal's memory?

[eternal totem]

It only mentions being a frozen memory from EoE by the subtitle

[sharp lichen]

I think it could’ve been. Maybe a large creature, like an elder manta or jellyfish. We’ll have to find out when new quests come out

[fickle tundra]

i wonder if we'll ever see an "unfrozen" memory

[eternal totem]

“You know what, screw you” Unfreezes your memory

[fickle tundra]

also- please ignore the fact that my skykid is a gay bat

[graceful oasis]

There are two types of jellyfish here, the royal Jellies and small jellyfish with no exact star pattern

[fickle tundra]

i wonder if dark plants can actually grow on krills

[covert carbon]

Thank you!!!

[frigid tinsel]

That candle boat concept art I can't find

[covert carbon]

Thank you!!

[graceful oasis]

Everyone just starts talking about Fanfiction

[midnight sonnet]

Me

[covert carbon]

Behold!

[midnight sonnet]

What’s up with sunglasses

[covert carbon]

Darnit not again

[eternal totem]

The “They don’t belong in Sky” argument, pay it no mind

[midnight sonnet]

I will pay mind

[eternal totem]

There isn’t much to it though, that was almost 2 years ago during the Sanctuary beta

[slim plume]

There was an argument about if Sunglasses belonged in Sky? Dear gods

[waxen quest]

The more important question is why are they on the mask, not instead of the mask

[eternal totem]

Same reason there are veils on top of a mask

[drifting socket]

all tyhe memories of people complaining about sanc cosmetics ruining tghe vibe

[eternal totem]

Sanctuary testing was a fun time

[sharp lichen]

IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT SUNGLASSES YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY NARROW VIEW IF THE SKY WORLD AND PROVABLY ONLY THINK OF SKY AS A CANDLE RUN SIMULATOR. SKY HAS INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION. PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL BETWEEN REALMS. SUNGLASSES ARE 100% GOOD IN SKY. I DONT CARE IF THE ARGUMENT IS OVER. IT DISTURBS ME THAT IT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE

/LH

[eternal totem]

Lol

[vivid mango]

These people are working 24/7 with FIRE and beings made of PURE LIGHT, I think they're within their rights to have sunglasses

Theory that light creatures produce heat/intense light so all masks are just a kind of welding mask

[waxen quest]

They should add normal glasses

[uncut pond]

They should add a monocle

I just think it'd be funny

[sharp lichen]

Crab Whisperer with a monocle

[vivid mango]

Feel like they'd add glasses on a spirit but make them unobtainable like the harpoon and butterfly jar

[twilit stump]

hi lore chat how are we

[cobalt palm]

Not sure if this is new, but I don't recall it looking quite like this before
Wasteland temple
Does anyone have a closeup of the wasteland temple from before the update?

[frigid tinsel]

this is from Feb 2022

[vivid mango]

What's y'all's weirdest theories that you've heard and/or believe in

[atomic grove]

Like irl or in-game?

[vivid mango]

Ingame lol

[atomic grove]

Honestly can't say I've heard any truly bizarre theories

[eternal totem]

Rhythm is the wife of Performance (I DON’T BELIEVE THIS)

[vivid mango]

Weirdest one I heard (from some guy commenting on IG) was that the entirety of Sky was a dream in the King's head that they were forced to relive as penance

[eternal totem]

Hell naw not the coma theories

[vivid mango]

THAT is so much weirder w h a t

[eternal totem]

Or that Skykids are emotionless & hallow

[vivid mango]

The idea of them being literally hollow has some faint evidence, but not hollow emotionally did they get that from skykids having to "learn" emotions?

[eternal totem]

It might’ve been interpreted from how you’d lose your emotes in EoE from the LA version, but it honestly seems more like memory loss to me the more you succumb to Darkness

[vivid mango]

Idk much about LA, but if it had the whole "life cycle" theme to it, I could see it as rebirth and becoming a new person

[graceful oasis]

Red candles are the souls of Skykids, White candles represent memories overall, and used to trigger them as such.
Orange candles are just simple candles that overall arc seasons, memories scattered around to get stuff…
Star candles are a collective hold of many dead beings, used to as well get more collective candles….

I swear that this is just a generalist theory, not a evil scheme of trading

[vivid mango]

Red candles being souls is, odd, especially since the pointer spirit was originally called "candlemaker"

[graceful oasis]

Points at the white candles

Red candles are honestly scattered around in bundles, small collections and are literally in the center of our being. I am honestly confused by how these red candles act.

[vivid mango]

New theory: wax/fire is currency and we're just walking piggy banks

[slim plume]

The veterans all sell a part of their core candle to TGC for the Seasonal Pass

[graceful oasis]

We are basically darkness but light version. Darkness holds in light, while we just take it and share it around to get astral projections for no reason but to look cool.

Also in the new memory areas for the event, the floor gives you wing charges

[keen shore]

psst silenlin do you mind adding something when you write about your theories to specify that they’re theories, not proven facts? the way you talk about them currently makes them easily confusable with the second - ty!

[graceful oasis]

Honestly I should have done that….

I guess I will try to redo a bit on my point….. The Theory I am going with here is that candles are honestly important items that gather at several areas, everywhere. Candles come in so many varieties as well, Red candles, white candles, Star candles, Orange candles, and the recording candles…

Candles are currency on several levels, we use them for spirits and lights. They can even somehow become hearts? So basically they are important in several ways….
And I think each type of candle honestly has some type of meaning to it I guess… except Recording candles, those just are blue candles that help record events you are doing and White candles seem to act like them in a way…

[rapid arrow]

There’s also I believe a connection with the candles found in the trials… I believe it kinda shows how many spirits passed away or failed during the trials, as we see a significant difference between water trial and fire trial

[hushed steeple]

About that writting, our child of the light has been sent from the light to link back the Elders with it. It was the purpose of the king, who abused of his power and ruined the "link-o-matic" light source.

Candles are a spirit common light pocket holder. That's why we are shaped like them, and has candle like them so they can be familiarised with us.

Elders link to the light isn't infinite and as the time goes by, with lighting everyday candles, some areas get enough light to reappear from the storm (usual cloud barriers) called season of adventure. We have a second purpose as repopulating the lands and recover them from the corruption, and maybe one day, calm the storm down.

[hushed steeple]

Spirits that died in the trials couldn't be brought back to the safe cave, and the only thing spitits could do when one goes in is to Hope. And many cried by that.

[graceful oasis]

White candles honestly hold the memory of things in the past, murals is the main example of this. They are candles made by the spirits, us, and hold their purpose of sending a message. If Aether II Crab theory about those candles mean the deaths that died, then it would mean that a lot of people died…

[hushed steeple]

I also got a theory, that before our coming, spirits would have made the way for us go throught by drawing paintings everywhere.

And here comes the candles. As you can see, our core candle is red, red is an offensive color. As a proof, we use it to uncorrupt spirits memory and burn dark plants. So if we follow the use of red ones, it would lead us to a point that red candles has been placed to stop the Eden's storm on these zones, so we could go by and walk to the Eden.

[rigid locust]

Hi lorechat! Did Anyone else notice this change to the harmony hall mural?

[hushed steeple]

Oooh! That haircut, ain't that from the rythm spirit that dances?

[remote skiff]

I have to wonder if it relates to the last patch note, about the jellyfish singing

[rigid locust]

Oooh I never thought of that, maybe it is one of the rythm spirits, we know that rythm and performance is related so it makes sense they might have visited

[hushed steeple]

Due to the somekind of coming up light, I think its a light related sport event

[keen shore]

The thing that weirds all of us out about the person in that mural, is their size (implying their like. elder levels of important) and the fact that it depicts a really important event (the stars falling). I haven’t seen tje theory that it’s one of the rhythm spirits before but it makes as much sense as any other idea on it, especially considering it has an explanation for why it’s in harmony hall of all places!

[proud fable]

Where do you guys find all the netease content?

[rigid locust]

Yeah! Now there is only one question left… are those birds or flying anvils…..

[keen shore]

dropping anvils on the crowd… jugglers strangest prank yet

[mortal robin]

what does it mean by the stars fell in the intro im still confused

i also came across this theory of the king and the blue crystal that exploded in eden?

[rigid locust]

I could be wrong here, but I think the stars falling was when the king fell and Eden became Eden

[rigid mural]

i'd like to point out the little prince also was depicted as detailed on "murals" (book illustration on the geographer island in the starlight desert) so maybe... collab hint ?

[keen shore]

The stars falling is a weird event because the game just. never explains it. in the switch trailer it shows stars ACTUALLY falling, so at least partially it’s an extremely literal description. However, the game makes no attempt to elaborate on how exactly this works, or what the stars even are, considering that’s something actual stars in our universe don’t do at all.

I like to think of it as a pre-disaster. Like the stars falling isn’t what killed everyone and isn’t what made Eden what it was, but it was the beginning of the end. I also believe the stars are implied to some extent to be the elders bc there’s always 6 of them, but again, no idea how that works or what that means in this context

[rigid mural]

YES YES YES EXACTLY WHAT I THINK TOO
HENCE WHY I THINK THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO CATACLYSMS
first one with the stars falling as the elders are confined below, away from the light and other stars, may have slowed if not halted the cycle of death and rebirth if they were in charge
second one with eden going kaboom

[keen shore]

YEAH THATS WHAT I THINK TOO… unfortunately I can’t think of any solid evidence to prove it. There’s a lot of assorted tiny bits in the game that made me think that, like the way you slowly start to see the lightseekers see light as more valuable through the realms and searching really hard for it vs laughing lightcatcher not caring when they don’t get it, but nothing super concrete

[keen shore]

it’s in the endless stack of ideas that I think are neat, and so even though I cannot prove them enough to call them theories, I am taking the “up to interpretation” part of the game and running with it

[frigid tinsel]

oops

[rigid mural]

finding it sus the forest elder is linked to broken diamonds too

and the spirit that has their headgear expresses regret (apologetic lumberjack) so...

[keen shore]

rain elder looks edtremely guilty when you encounter them and has the whole broken diamond link… what did you do… suspicious

[rigid mural]

i think they need therapy

[keen shore]

So you know how cats have this thing where if they’re sitting on a table or something they have to knock everuthing else off of it? That’s what happened

[rigid mural]

rainstar,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[frigid tinsel]

they all need therapy, though if Rain Elder had some hand in the Eden diamond corruption, whether made it faulty or ruined it after it had been manufactured, then... man

[rigid mural]

they set the ban hammer on the eden diamond

[keen shore]

they could just be guilty bc darkstone is their whole thing and that’s what killed everyone, but personally I think the association is a bit deeper than that

[rigid mural]

I like to think they regret discovering and refining darkstone, and wish they could go back in time and leave that ore where it was, but now they are in front of the biggest diamond, their magnum opus, armed with their hammer.

[keen shore]

due to reasons I don’t think they destroyed the eye on purpose, but it might have been and accident Hmmmmm

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if one could tell Rain the end result of power diamonds as they were discovering darkstone, would they have concealed it and never have invented the refinery method (if they were responsible for that)

[rigid mural]

they're referred to as "shaman" in old concept art, maybe the forest is "hidden" because it was sacred

[frigid tinsel]

creating something you hoped would uplift the welfare of the people you're responsible for, only to see it turn into their ruination

[rigid mural]

thinking about how the fire light is found in the forest and summons light creatures when it's bought back to the ark

[slim plume]

Someone mentioned the fact that the elders were also given elements as their powers (as seen on the Prophecy cave's murals) and that Rain was given water, but the element of fire was found in their realm first (before being handed off to Dusk/Wasteland Elder). I can't exactly remember who, but someone mentioned that maybe the element of water was given to Rain to 'remedy' the effects of fire in their realm. Taking that into account, that leaves a lot of possibility for the Forest Elder

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's what I like to think too ! Interestingly, Forest and Wasteland are, aside from Eden, the two realms most affected by darkness.

[visual lichen]

I believe this is what they were carrying. Times were hard so the stars prayed. And a child of light was sent to them. The star child gifted them light that they used to power thier tech, and empower themselves

[slim plume]

They're also the two realms that seem the most 'industrialised,' albeit Forest seems to be in better condition than Wasteland since there are no krills to destroy Forest Mama's beautiful work

At least, not yet

[soft timber]

Hopefully never because Forest Elder will never allow it

[slim plume]

They definitely wouldn't

[soft timber]

The diamond yeeteth and the Forest yoinketh away

[slim plume]

That had no right to make me laugh as hard as it should have

[blissful hare]

Do yall think dark plant cape is made of real dark plants or maybe is it made to imitate them

[waxen quest]

It's not even canon probably

[slim plume]

Since capes are made of light, it's probably made to imitate the look and shape of a dark plant.

Though, I'm not too sure about the small dark plants mask being real or fake. I'd assume it was, since an actual dark plant inside a skid would probably be very damaging...

[frigid tinsel]

Probably made to imitate though theoretically a skykid could take darkness plants and stick them together with their winged light to work with their cape.

[gleaming glacier]

A cape being made of real dark plant would just make moths follow you with candles trying to burn it

[blissful hare]

PFFF-

[eternal totem]

Was gonna say, you’ll be followed around

[hardy mantle]

I feel like this discussion has been had many a time, but I cant seem to find anything related to it. Perhaps I didnt look hard enough, haha

Has TGC released any official information regarding the skychildren's age ranges? I've always been under the impression that they are indeed meant to represent children, but I've never been sure.

Considering the growth spell's message says "Grow into an adult..." that also kind of supports the child theory LOL

[waxen quest]

But if it was burned, skykid would just receive light and the cape would restore itself

[gleaming glacier]

Infinite wax hack

[slim plume]

Never-ending candle farm?

[blissful hare]

Omg yes

[slim plume]

SAME WAVELENGTH

[eternal totem]

No specific ages were mentioned, only referred to as “Skykids” & “children” by developers

[blissful hare]

Also have you guys thought of any lore that might go along with the krill/dark horn?

[slim plume]

Probably used as a war horn and was clunked off as a trophy, although I don't have much beyond that

[waxen quest]

Except not really, as it would follow the same logic every dark plant does: no more wax before daily reset

[steep prawn]

deep now were all still moths behind the projection of cosmetics

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are always referred to as skykids or children by the devs. their “official” age could be four months (considering when they were born) or even years.

If you mean by what age range skykids are meant to represent, then that’s debatable. I would say appearance wise they’re young, pre-adolescent, but doesn’t mean they’ll act that way.

[cobalt palm]

Early theory on the memory we see in the 2nd stage of the shard quest.
Firstly we know that dark plants surround light creatures, from the manta in forest, and more recently the butterflies being released when we burn darkness with the latest update.
Secondly we know that the spirits were able to create memories of themselves, and from Performance they can store those for later viewing, and they are often surrounded by darkness (when we complete a spirit memory we "unlock" it from a dark shell).

Could it be the energy from creatures get "locked" into the shards of Eden, and so the memory we see after the quest is of the energy locked in that shard.
What underlies the power the diamonds used by the ancestors, is the nature of the creatures captured in the shard.

[dry ivy]

I also notice though how the void zone has an equal emphasis Dark and Light. One would think darkness is a negative force, but the limbo-space seems to intimate it might be something that must be in balance with the light force, like a ying yang kind of thing

(Which is something that has been discussed on here before)

[dry ivy]

Really good theory. I was wondering what the memory thing meant!

I assumed too that perhaps it’s connected with the shards. The wasteland one seemed to focus on crabs, and I notice we collect these illusory light crabs until we see a single on on the shard meteor before it disappears (and the evil crabs—I call them zombie crabs lol—go away too)

Did we purify the crabs that were born out of this shard?

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, after nastymold I started calling them shard crabs, which describes them perfectly I think.
I wonder if the pieces you collect are memories of the smaller shards, and the memory in dark room is the one held in the big glowy shard.

[rigid mural]

the upper part of the room you find the jellyfish in has the same particles as the storm in eden (the long dark lines that usually circle the area's sky very fast)

[dry ivy]

Yeah!! I was wondering why the visitor “spirit” is actually just the shard lol. Made me realize the big mountain shard might be sentient??

[cobalt palm]

Not sure if there has been a black shard in live yet, so I'll wait to theorise on that aspect, but they are related.

[dry ivy]

Also notice too that there is an emphasis on how our skids are being affected differently in being injured by these shards

The season opening cutscene first shows the stone children around the big shard getting crusted over

And when we get hurt, now we look crusted over, and we crawl on the ground (which looks so sad augh )

Even the season message in our inboxes mention “new injuries” or whatever

[cobalt palm]

I was thinking the guide is actually the "spirit" of the diamond at the end of Eden, its clearly charged up with something, so like the abyss beast, could be full of so many light creatures and skykids sacrificing their winged light over the past 3 years, it can finally project itself to us.

The model seems extremely similar, just smaller.

[dry ivy]

OOH—- never thought about how our skids are actually having an effect on the shard.

[dry ivy]

Obviously this newfound power might also be causing the explosions and crust too hmmm

Like, it can finally reach out to us, but only by having some sort of massive power leak

[cobalt palm]

Also the intro cutscene does that "context cut" film makers love so much to cut between the guide, directly through a fade to white to the Eden diamond

[slim plume]

This seems very, very plausible #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[dry ivy]

OH WOW. You’re right!

(I love playing on the switch but it always makes the cutscenes look kinda wonky :/ )

[dry ivy]

What is this..? I’m not sure what I’m looking at. Which guide has a diamond in them?

[dry ivy]

You know, this goes with the balance idea

Too much of a good thing causes an imbalance hmm...or at least too much power has bad consequences.

[cobalt palm]

We have been ascending spirits, ourselves, and other skyds for 3 years now, approximately 155 eden resets.
Exactly 3 years next week.

[dry ivy]

Ohh and the sky anniversary is coming up...

[slim plume]

I think the lore chat has made a breakthrough

[rugged jackal]

Alright lorechat what✨juicy lore talk✨ did I miss
What discoveries have I missed

[dry ivy]

Man I know the devs have said that the king isn’t around in the way we think he is, but I hope maybe we could get more tidbits of this guy this season

[cobalt palm]

It probably doesn't go this deep, but maybe 155 is special in some way (don't really want to bring meanings in from external sources)
But 63 statues, we are nearing 10'000 souls saved

[dry ivy]

The mountain diamond is sentient, the spirit guide is the mountain diamond, the shard memories are its memories, and it took three years of skid energy for it to be able to finally reach out to us

Oh, end it can only do so via really bad power incontinence

[cobalt palm]

It could also be a part of the king, certainly a darkness part if not part of the light

[rapid arrow]

I think WL are apart of the king and that’s how the king is around but not around in a way

[nimble ingot]

the shattering guide spirit

[slim plume]

If we're going off the assumption that darkstones/power diamonds were made from light creatures being... 'juiced' for lack of better term, perhaps the assumed projection of the Eden darkstone are the memories of all the light creatures that have ascended through Eden?

[rugged jackal]

can you guys please elaborate

[dry ivy]

So the diamond spirit has...another diamond in it?

[cobalt palm]

That's from this seasons opening cutscene

[nimble ingot]

That is what it looks like, or it is a coincidental shard that is inside them

[dry ivy]

behind my mask...is another mask! Cool, huh??

Wonder what this means...

(And thanks for the clarification!)

[dry ivy]

Im terrible—I know this would go against Sky’s ambience and flow of the story/message, but there’s a part of me that just what’s to see that massive King mech

Originally in the concept art, the skid would be traveling up the mountain while a giant King fights a humongous dark whale, and darn it, I want to see that anime mech battle now so bad

[cobalt palm]

Yes, throwing lightning bolts and rocks down at us

[dry ivy]

(Tho again I like the way eye of Eden is now! I don’t think that’d fit the way Sky is now)

[dry ivy]

Yesss

[slim plume]

To be fair, with the changes that Eden has gotten (with the red spotlights in "Zone 2" of PNR) there is a small chance. Although, I don't think the king would be a massive mech like in the concept art, unfortunately

[dry ivy]

I just think the concept of being a tiny mortal trying to get somewhere in the midst of a fight between gods sounds cool

[cobalt palm]

Yes, it's like we are fighting against a mistake, no one is protecting Eden, infact it almost gathers more darkness to try to balance its light, but the cycle of life and death must continue, even if that means sacrifice.

[frosty rampart]

I would actually like to see the war that happened in wasteland, a memories from spirits that occurred to be in the war or were fighting or some scary preparation for it, would be cool

[dry ivy]

What’s this?? Eden has changed a bit?

[cobalt palm]

Since the concept art I think they mean, or the new red spotlight that seems to go before the red rocks since the last update?

[slim plume]

I meant the new red spotlight, sorry for the confusion!

[dry ivy]

What does it do?

[cobalt palm]

It seems to lead the red rocks at the old "constant rain" area, there are now kinda 3 stages in Eden ponr now.
1 as normal,
2 harder rock rain following a red spotlight,
3 constant rain

[slim plume]

Not much, but it basically tells you when the rocks are going to be raining down heavier over an area of your sky kid. They follow a certain pathway like the worms in Fire Trial

[dry ivy]

Well, that’s nice. TGC probably noticed it was hard to navigate the rocks since they were difficult to anticipate

[cobalt palm]

Lore wise I guess you could extrapolate it is the "eye" in an "eye of sauron" as styled in Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings films.
Now that could be the "eye of Eden", or "eye of the diamond", or even "eye of the King"

[slim plume]

Here's an updated map, credit is in the bottom left-hand corner! I'm not sure if the person is in the server, but I'd be happy to @ them as the creator if they are

[dry ivy]

And I haven’t been to Eden in a while, but man I remember those rocks barraging you like a hail of bullets

[dry ivy]

Wow!! The ambition of Sky fans amaze me. What a great map

[cobalt palm]

It's worth going again, even if to see the new statue kids

Here's an example from last week after the update

[dry ivy]

Oh wow, new statue skids too? Do they look any different from the old?

I keep thinking about the two shown in the season intro where one is trying to help the other up

[dry ivy]

AUGH—
..my poor heart

It’s three trying to use their bodies to protect a friend oh my gosh hnnnn

[slim plume]

Some have new positions, some don't. Your skid also dies in different positions too! When I went there last, my skid died with their head bowed in defeat, clutching where their core should be. I didn't get a pic unfortunately, was too stunned by how defeated my skid looked that I didn't screenshot it

[dry ivy]

The theme of self sacrifice to help another is so strong here

[dry ivy]

AW—
..I wonder if I did an emote of I’d be frozen in that position 🤡

“Quick! Do something cool!”

[slim plume]

A moth goes into Eden and just sees a toppled-over statue of a skid who was in the process of that one-handed handstand emote

[dry ivy]

HA—

[cobalt palm]

The layout of the 2nd section also encourages sacrifice to help others, as there are a lot more safe spaces, we used a rock climbers tether method, where one person would run ahead to get to the next safe spot, if they failed one of us would go out to relight them while a third in a safe spot would charge honk us from saftey

[slim plume]

Tactical Eden runs with friends? Sweet! More angst for the moths doing Eden for the first time!

[cobalt palm]

We didn't plan on it either, it's just that the environment lead us to do it, we saw a potential safe spot up ahead, but it was unlit, so one of us went first, they fell, and were picked up by the next fastest

[dry ivy]

I was thinking of this

[graceful oasis]

Done at least 3 Eden runs last week

[cobalt palm]

I'm sure if there was a moth who came through at the same time, we would have been alerted to save them too, thanks to the new alert system

[dry ivy]

I’m gonna keep that in mind for my next run. Usually it’s just me and a buddy trying to run blindly into rocks and trying to help one one falls over

[slim plume]

For solo players worried, I managed to run the new Eden on my own and got 62/63 statues. You just need a few full-recharge potions (I used around 3, 2 were because I messed up and only 1 was when I really needed it in the last Zone), a good understanding of which statues to go for first (the Eden map I sent numbers them as to how you should light them) and a lot of patience. The new Eden will take time to run, but it'll be worth it for those Ascended Candles

[dry ivy]

Man WHAT

I don’t even keep track of it, I just try to get as much as I can before I died. I assumed it wasn’t possible to get them all! Wow!

[cobalt palm]

Yeah I got 62, just missed the 63rd because I got distracted by the shiny

[dry ivy]

Tho I haven’t done Eden a lot...it’s such a long journey!

[slim plume]

Will be logging off for a bit, but shall be back later. Was fun talking! I've been in the sky server for awhile, but only really started regularly talking in here about a week ago. This place always seems to have something on it's mind, and it's been really cool seeing all the different theories and headcanons!

[cobalt palm]

Would love to hear some of your theories on Sky and this season!
Nothing is canon, only what we experience and take away

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea
Eden has sadder statues now so ya…

[cobalt palm]

The shattering does make me wonder if the being that sent us on our journey to "bring the stars home" was just trying to continue the cycle of life, and not concerned with its affect on Eden, and ultimately the world.
Like a manager trying to push for a release, even when there are issues because of other pressures, and now it's in production, and the skykids are trying to patch the issues as they crop up.

It is making me think with that character flawed thinking that it is more likely the king, someone we know strove for power above welfare for those living, and now trapped spirits above those who remain.

One great resolution to this is for that hidden character to see what these short term goals are doing to the world.

This could certainly be used as allegory to the world in its current state.

This got deeper than I first intended

[sinful crystal]

unrelated theory, idk if this is confirmed already heh
i think the sky kids' capes are made of light. after all, you first gain your cape after you collect winged light. plus, when you're flying and look down on the ground, your shadow only shows the shadow of your body, not the cape. i think the body (or at least the heart/chest) is made of some wax-related material. grandma feeds us wax so our flame can keep burning, aka so our life source doesn't go out. bless grandma tryna keep us alive

[cobalt palm]

Grandma feeding the body and soul

[keen shore]

I stole a headcanon from krii that when skykids don’t get stuff like the light mochi and wax, they just start eating random things that have light in them as a substitute. Sticks. Bugs they find on the ground. Questionable mushrooms. and granny saw this and got so concerned that now they cook for us

[waxen quest]

Now I wanna make an OC skykid who got so hungry they ate their own candle and can now breathe fire or do something funny

[tough coral]

Relating to this i think. yknow how an iron deficiency will sometimes make u wanna eat ice? I think skykids have something similar to that if something happens to them that messes with their ability to store light

If a skykid can't absorb/retain Light properly sometimes they just... get the urge to gnaw on candles, some sort of "candles make light i need light" association in their little kid brains but. yknow. chewing on candle wax wont rlly do much other than. whatever eating wax does to you

[keen shore]

I’m so used to my friends corrupted skykid lore that I was fully expecting you to say they would start going after each other

[slim plume]

Oh gods. Headcanoned sky lore can get so dark so quickly it's almost scary . Trust me, I've fallen into that trap and I have zero regrets

[keen shore]

candle wax is the much cuter reality, it is making me smile - Ty for sharing :]

[tough coral]

:D i technically stole this headcanon from a friend but im glad u like it

[frigid tinsel]

I have corrupted skykids in my ficverse and while they do go after other skykids for ligjt, they very well could be satiated by a candle cake.

[sinful crystal]

moth eats a bug except i can't draw /j

[tough coral]

Ive got a skykid oc whos got some light problems due to being stranded in the wasteland for some time and though it doesn't have any mental effects on them they do have permanently blue-tainted light and a tendency to have a lot of stone bits forming on them whether or not they're losing light

[frigid tinsel]

There’s one who’s been corrupted for three years and when un-corrupted has either blue eyes or a blue flame, haven’t decided yet.

[gusty sonnet]

I feel like the events of the season of shattering may be a reoccurring problem with the kingdom of sky due to it having the memories of ancient times

[keen shore]

Why Not Both ?

[slim plume]

Both is good

[inner cloud]

When I lost my light for the first time doing the shard today I was shocked by the new animations,,, idk why it was so emotional but seeing the corruption come out of my skid and the slow crawl (like the one in eden) just put me in shock

[dry ivy]

I had this happen to me BEFORE the season started! I was playing the other day in wasteland and was surprised when I started crawling when a krill ate me

It definitely is unnerving. It makes you feel more in danger, definitely I don’t like having to see a little kid crawl in pain

[sharp lichen]

I’m a Crawling enjoyer here

[dry ivy]

It makes getting my lost winged light harder! especially in wasteland

[sharp lichen]

Crawling’s good in Eden, but I don’t think it should be there in Wasteland

[inner cloud]

OH!! i hadn’t got hit before the season so i hadn’t noticed - i’m used to honestly giving up in eden once the crawl starts but DANG IT HITS NOW HOW SCARY EVERYTHING IS

[dry ivy]

Ikr?? Seeing the sky turn red and the shard fall out of the sky for the first time today was really creepy! Felt like Armageddon or something

[inner cloud]

also the new crabs are SO ANGY LIKE PLEASE SIR IM TRYING TO HELP

[dry ivy]

And they rise out of the ground like ZOMBIES

[torn eagle]

Theyre angy coz once you cleanse the darkness they die too

[slim plume]

The fact that the atmosphere slowly turns red too!

[frigid tinsel]

I think that’s the point — what Eden had become is devastating. And this is what children have to face.

[inner cloud]

OH I THOUGHT WE FREED THEM NOOOOOOOOO

[dry ivy]

I interpreted finding the light crab spirits as cleansing them tho

[inner cloud]

yeah i agree! it’s just surprising how hard it hits us - i still get chills with Eden but i’m not a regular eden runner like others

[torn eagle]

Finding the light crabs

But have you seen how the crabs with shards disappear? They squeak in pain and disappear into the ground TvT

[dry ivy]

Have you heard about the new Eden stone skids yet 👀

[dry ivy]

oh—- no I didn’t see that. There was a lot going on. That’s sad 😔

[frigid tinsel]

Expressions of pain is very effective at invoking sympathy, especially for cute characters like the skykids. We don’t like seeing them in pain. We believe they don’t deserve to be in pain. We want their pain to stop.

[inner cloud]

I haven’t done an eden run since the season started :0 i’m on a family trip rn. is it vastly different?

[dry ivy]

I think a good definition here is the TV trope, Adult Fear. Seeing kids in dangerous situations as adults makes our internal panic alarms go off

[torn eagle]

Just the second and third parts

[slim plume]

Yes and no. If you backscroll a bit you can see the updated map I've sent in (that isn't mine btw!) and some advice if you're a solo player like me

Updated map: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
My advice: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[inner cloud]

ALSO NOOO I DIDNT REALIZE IM SO SORRY CRABS

[dry ivy]

Some of the statues you find have new poses. I haven’t been there yet myself, but someone today just shared me some pics, such as one showing two skids protecting a fallen skid with their bodies

[inner cloud]

oh that HITS DANG OKAY - this season is shattering our hearts too

[torn eagle]

Detail is that its not always crabs that you will

Some will be manta lights

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, seeing these I just think “these poor skids.”

[dry ivy]

augh

[slim plume]

Very tempted to go back to Eden (even if I'm very, very proud of me hitting the 11 wings used-to-be max) just to take more pictures. I was too busy running it for the AC and too stunned by my skid's new, petrified stance that I didn't screenshot or record any of it. Which is a shame, but definitely not the last time I'll be going so perhaps I'll see some more poses that skids could end up in!

[dry ivy]

Okay now I know another reason why this makes me feel sad. It gives me flashbacks to the pictures of the petrified people in Pompeii

[inner cloud]

Thank you! I always am scared to go alone and can’t enjoy everything because my mind goes ‘RUN RUN RUN SAVE THE KIDS’

[dry ivy]

First of all: congrats on getting so much winged light wow

Secondly, I’ll look forward to it! I’m always too scared and want to rush thru Eden to really take a look at my surroundings. It’d be cool to see it more in depth!

[inner cloud]

I was on mobile before my long hiatus but now i’m on my switch lite - so i’m a much better flyer but my Eden skills are meh - normally 12-14 ascended candles

[slim plume]

Seeing both of your comments has really motivated me! I'll keep it in mind next time I run. Eden Reset's already happened, and I'm on 4 AC so.... perhaps

[floral grove]

12-14 AC is good ngl

[frigid tinsel]

Last time I went to Eden post-update I got 14 AC

[inner cloud]

love to see your adventures!!

[inner cloud]

and OHHHHH okay i’m just used to the perfect runners ig then

[slim plume]

I also just realized that I've basically commited my skid to running Eden regularly now, since I never run unless I'm below 5 AC... Oh well, I have sword pants for a reason!

[inner cloud]

USE THAT SWORD

[graceful lance]

Idk if anyone has pointed this out yet but-

The Void of Shattering is surrounded by larger pieces, it's shattered like the Eye of Eden, hence shattering I guess lol

Do with this as you please

[sharp lichen]

I do think the best way to get AC is the shards. I got 4 AC, which is quite good. Now that Eden isn’t that important for AC farming, people will go for it for intrinsic value, rather than candles. Lapis’s dream come true

[karmic ledge]

the secret archives (not clickbait)

[frigid tinsel]

when Ash pops in only to tell us we aren't gonna see Rhythm guide's fingers

[rigid mural]

ok but

[graceful oasis]

They have normal hands?!

[karmic ledge]

this looks like one of those "Spotted!" cryptid/ufo photos and i love it

[rigid mural]

isnt that what a past season spirit is

[karmic ledge]

you're right......all of sky is just paranormal activity

[rigid mural]

oh my god... ghosts in my game ???

[graceful oasis]

He isn’t wrong….

[karmic ledge]

games haunted

[graceful oasis]

Like 70% Haunted?

[restive silo]

Why do they wear masks?

[frigid tinsel]

75-80% depending on whether you consider the Elders dead or not

[rigid mural]

rhythm and performance spirits are ghosts of the opera

[frigid tinsel]

Phantoms of the Opera

[rigid mural]

found the theater kid

[karmic ledge]

anyways since vela reminded me that rhythm found their fingers, heres some ancient Rhythm Hands from the vault

[frigid tinsel]

finally, they said they didn't exist

[graceful oasis]

Guys they are made of stars, this means something.

[rigid mural]

Rhythm guide is the first spirit to have needed to be confirmed to have more thna two thumbs

[karmic ledge]

pointing candlemaker: 🧍

[frigid tinsel]

Rhythm fingers for the nonbelievers

[karmic ledge]

oh wait i read that wrong

[rigid mural]

tbf not being able to hold chopsticks would be tragic

[karmic ledge]

I thought you said Rhythm was the first to be confirmed as having fingers

[frigid tinsel]

was there a debate over whether Candlemaker had fingers or not?

[brittle spruce]

Soooo since Shattering has begun and there's also news about the Shard events not ending even when Shattering ends, it comes to show that maybe the next season after Shattering will be a lot more focused into the story and about how Eden is growing stronger over time

[karmic ledge]

Look sometimes your hands get cold and you want some mittens!

[rigid mural]

I think their spirit model has defined fingers but dont take my word for it, they point with their whole hand

[karmic ledge]

No i just read vela's comment wrong or well..if there is debate its news to me

[graceful oasis]

Skykids wear hidden gloves confirmed?

[rigid mural]

boogie kid does have these funky gloves that they give you with the pants

[frigid tinsel]

I've seen the argument that skykids weren't made with fingers so they wouldn't be capable of the ruination that the ancestors did so

[inner cloud]

I love that Ash popped in for the finger discussion

[rigid mural]

HELP DSHHJSDHJSDHJHJSDHJSD
MEGABIRD SAID NO FINGERS, THE ANCESTORS ALREADY DID ENOUGH WITH THEIRS

[inner cloud]

we messed up guys - sorry we are taking your finger privileges YEET

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors: flood the world in darkness.
Megabird: it was the bloody fingers, innit

[inner cloud]

Wait so when skids play instruments THEYRE JUST SLAPPING STUBS ON GUITAR STRINGS AND STUFF?

[rigid mural]

sheer force of will

[sharp lichen]

the power of amazing musical ability

[rigid mural]

skill issue, musicians are just Like That

[inner cloud]

Me when I played the tuba :

[frigid tinsel]

according to the clayshell theory, they don't need a pick for guitars if their bodies are made of a hard enough material unlike soft flesh. genuinely how I've seen it ngl

[rigid mural]

consider this: guitar pick fingernails

[graceful oasis]

Do we even have nails?

[inner cloud]

OH YOURE RIGHT I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT

[sharp lichen]

do we have fingers?

[hoary ingot]

do you guys have any info on the origin of skykids

[frigid tinsel]

pointing at the sky. Megabird

[sharp lichen]

the Elders could've done some stuff as well

[graceful oasis]

Points at Space God, that is all we know

[inner cloud]

so long story short: not really

[karmic ledge]

i gotta help out with the bingo, right?

[graceful oasis]

Wait, where is the Bingo sheet?

[hoary ingot]

Oof

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here it is

[inner cloud]

bingo

[frigid tinsel]

we know that skykids are fallen stars, so came from space. what's also in space? the Light aka Megabird or they're the same entity depending on how you view it, who tasked skykids to ascend the ancestor spirits

[rigid mural]

im crying because until then i almost forgot the buff actor incident

[sharp lichen]

we've crossed out 5-6 ones out already

[graceful oasis]

And Megabird is like the origin of Skykids, Elders and Spirits? As well Mantas, Local Jellies, and birds….

[foggy lotus]

Their hands are shaped like guitar picks

[frigid tinsel]

maybe. was the Light always in space or did it form from light around the world ascending? is Megabird one with the Light or the product of all light beings ascending and conglomerating to the Light?

[graceful oasis]

Hmmmm either one works because honestly… We don’t know which came first….

[hot socket]

yeeeeeee

[frigid tinsel]

I ask cos there's a strong motif of light existing within a cycle, so given there is a light cycle, how did the cycle start?

[hot socket]

maybe elder spirits??

[wispy portal]

Let's talk about the lore of season of shattering

And with that I conclude the topic, thanks for contributing

[graceful oasis]

Honestly with what we been given from the Season of Shattering currently, we have new characters… Some People with Manta hair, and Jellyfish hair… and those with a Dark crown in their hair and a flower growing in their mask….

[inner cloud]

The corruption stuff is amazing - the TEAR ON THE MASK?!

[graceful oasis]

So basically The Darkness plants are infestation like things? Since they honestly act like they are taking advanced of the light of many areas.

[solar bane]

Hello lore chat so are there any lore regarding the new season?

[sharp lichen]

There is! We now know that crabs are light creatures, since they can ascend.

[solar bane]

Wait really 👀

[frigid tinsel]

Well their memory can ascend

[graceful oasis]

Crabs have souls, they can ascend into godhood now(this is a joke)

[gleaming glacier]

Crabs are just lil fellas- I love saying hi to the uncorrupt ones in Sanctuary

[graceful oasis]

Me:Ignores their existence

[gleaming glacier]

Noo the babies

[night herald]

I’m like still new to sky and I kinda know that each one has their own interpretation of it. But is there like a general lore thread/site that I can read up on?

[sonic ocean]

not really

[graceful oasis]

We have a outdated document….

[sharp lichen]

And an updated one! https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[jaunty sandal]

Something I've always been wondering is--Is there any sort of intended connection between Sky and Journey??? I don't even need to necessarily know what--I just want to know if it's there intentionally

[lucid hedge]

@sharp lichen are there more google docs made? Nw if not

[night herald]

Thank you!

[frigid tinsel]

devs have called Sky the spiritual successor to Journey – in fact, some very early Sky concepts resembled a Journey sequel.

[sharp lichen]

I'm not sure if I should make a new one, if I'm being honest. There's not much else besides fan theories beyond what I cover in the document. @jaunty sandal I believe so. Sky is a spiritual successor to Journey, so they inherit some stuff

[graceful oasis]

The answer is Gameplay and style. Since from what I have seen of Journey, ya honestly Sky is like Journey, just Sky is it’s own thing.

[jaunty sandal]

I meant more like--Actual story-wise

[lucid hedge]

@sharp lichen I guess the only other stuff would be like megabird and concept art stuff 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m down to read all the lore

[jaunty sandal]

Of course it bears a lot of similarities but that's why I had the question in the first place

[dry ivy]

A cute idea of mine is that the Journey travelers can reincarnate into Skids when entering the Mountain, but that’s just a funny little headcanon

[lucid hedge]

I don’t believe they’re connected story-wise, I think the devs have confirmed that much

[dry ivy]

Now that they know the value of friendship and love in shaping a world versus hatred and war, they can enter the world of Sky to shape it for the better, a chance the Journey world lost

[dry ivy]

Oh yeah, same. I see them as separate; I just had a fun idea hehe

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, that’s about it. However, the very best way to get info on the Sky lore is to simply ask here. There’s lots of people who can guide you on the right direction

[lucid hedge]

@sharp lichen I’d just never want to hit people with the “tell me everything” 😭

Ok so here’s a question I suppose.. is this believed to be megabird? She’s honestly one of my fav pieces of lore.. I always saw wearing the flight pendant similar to people wearing a cross

[jaunty sandal]

Aw ;u;
I like to think Sky is in some sense the sequel to Journey
Like some Journey people broke off and evolved into skykids
Following their civilization's old patterns but evolving beyond old warlike qualities
Unless they didn't even do that, which somehow gave rise to the darker forces in the wasteland and eden
I dunno this is just my take on it lagshjkl

[dry ivy]

That’s a fun idea! Is this theorizing that the desert is on the same planet as Sky’s or is Journey’s world on a different world entirely? Since the game seems to intimate the people descended form the stars, I feel like they—or at least the elders—could probably go wherever they wanted

I like to think the world of Abzu is somewhere in the same galaxy or whatever too haha

[jaunty sandal]

Or even that they somehow rebuilt journey's civilization at the cost of polarization
Creating something that brought life to the realms but created the darkness that pollutes the wasteland and eden
(Because everything after hidden forest is incredibly similar to journey's levels)

Abzu???

Oh that is such a funny coincidence
Something I've speculated on is that if they were to make a game after Sky, it'd be something sea-based
Because then they'd have games based on the land, sky, and sea

[keen shore]

I hate this, I just opened this chat only to realize that the buff actor incident just happened to me but instead of drawing cheese I was drawing a warrior cat

[dry ivy]

Haha yeah! I mean, Abzu is a game made by Giant Squid, but the company was founded by Matt Nava, who was Journey’s...art director I think. It has a similar vibe!

[jaunty sandal]

I'd totally get it if it weren't $20 ;w;

You're a stranger so I totally trust your judgement
Would you like my social security number/j

[sharp lichen]

Don't worry, you can ask questions about any part of Sky lore. And yeah, that constellation is Megabird. I think they're mentioned in the Enchantment murals

[simple orchid]

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to lorechat, @simple orchid

[simple orchid]

thank you

[graceful oasis]

…..I discovered yesterday that Sky has wards.

[frigid tinsel]

Wdym?

[graceful oasis]

So basically I went Feeding props to Krill with friends and strangers. Let me just say I help feed Krill tables, but someone in the ground had a Wind prop from Air Prophet. Basically this thing may have causally protected anyone from Krill under it. It basically was a Wind symbol.

[keen shore]

Pepo strikes again

[graceful oasis]

What

[rigid mural]

pepo's a joke oc, they got the personality of that one goose from the untitled game except they got thumbs
they've been blamed for wierd occurences such as the holes in the sanctuary islands map before a recent update or air stickers placed on murals to confuse lore theorists

[graceful oasis]

Lol

[rigid mural]

you had to be there

[graceful oasis]

I wasn’t there, but honestly that is pretty funny.

[keen shore]

Their full name is Pepperoni Pizza With Extra Cheese, Green Peppers, And Olives with Breadsticks on the Side

[frigid tinsel]

Served at Home Depot

[rigid mural]

but yeah p much it's an in-joke because sky is a game and some bugs are wierd in a funny way

[graceful oasis]

Like causally breaking reality by dropping through floors-I mean just landing on tables in the air

Also the name of the oc is amazing

[rigid mural]

Thank you dhjshjsdhsdhhsd

[frigid tinsel]

They got Eden trauma™️

[keen shore]

I should make a bingo about my friends skykid ocs and put Eden trauma on there

[rigid mural]

Put "died in Alasdair's fic" as well

[keen shore]

Other possible squares: actually a creature, likes to play music, tall

[frigid tinsel]

limited to ancestors and one skykid tho

[keen shore]

I feel like the ones who faded in Eden should count as at least a .5 right

[frigid tinsel]

but the faded can come back so they're not dead dead

[keen shore]

right but it’s so close that it should count for something right. Also all the ancestors can come back as well even though they’re dead dead so there

[rigid mural]

"Died" not "dead"
Most skykids completed Eden, so the ones in your fic that did count

[frigid tinsel]

so all of them
crap

[keen shore]

another square: adopts so many children

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea Do you have a God in your fic?

[frigid tinsel]

Basil, Aalsays

[keen shore]

don’t forget fritjof

[frigid tinsel]

does Fritjof count if it's only one person and they keep denying it

[keen shore]

every time they deny it 5 more children get added to the counter

[rigid mural]

That's how the abyss crew formed

[keen shore]

so true

[frigid tinsel]

I mean
yea thats bascially DFT

[frigid tinsel]

yup I do

[crude kindle]

Pov Skykids are spirits from Journey's world possibly

[winged fractal]

I found something interesting in the concept art

"Human influnce to spirits" with a little symbol that kinda looks like a tower? Im not sure if these were concept art for the krill, but the littlw shrimp doodle next to it does hint at it. Does that mean that humans also exist in sky?

[kindred rampart]

Apologies for the ping, but there’s a FIC?!

[burnt hatch]

do any of y’all have any idea what’s up with this new addition on the painting ?

[frigid tinsel]

I have a few Skyfic WIPs.
–We Are One & I Am Two
–Fealty
–Dear Fellow Traveler
–Stars Inclined By Stars
the first one is a oneshot that's almost done. I'll upload it to AO3 when I polish the final draft.

[inner cloud]

AND I CANT WAIT

[frigid tinsel]

where did you find these concepts? I haven't seen these before

[frigid tinsel]

a common thought that this is hinting for the upcoming collab season.

[hushed steeple]

Collab season?? Enlighten please lol

[frigid tinsel]

at AnimeJapan, TGC said the last season of the year (the one following Shattering) would be a collab season like Season of the Little Prince. but we don't know what the collab will be with yet

[dry ivy]

Ooh really?? Oh man I wonder what else could go with Sky? LP melded so well into its world. The only other thing I could think of is Studio Ghibli

[dry ivy]

Ooh what’s this? Is this in the trials area? I haven’t done all the quests for that yet

Maybe that skid is the King? I wonder why they added him in later

[frigid tinsel]

It’s from Harmony Hall

[dry ivy]

He has a weird head shape though. I don’t remember the king having such a crown in the few concept arts I’ve seen—

Oh! I haven’t been to HH yet either

Maybe the person is the first musician/actor in their world

[frigid tinsel]

this is too accurate omg

[snow loom]

Sorry to but in, but was a 100% cutscene ever added?
I really doubt it, but I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask

[frigid tinsel]

100% cutscene? You mean for completing every single constellation?

[snow loom]

Yeah, I completed them all ages ago, but there was never a cutscene or anything

[frigid tinsel]

Nope, there isn’t one, just summoning all the Elders one by one

[snow loom]

Yeaaahhhh, don’t know what else I expected tbh

[sudden smelt]

What’s abzu

[foggy lotus]

Hello lorechat i have discovered something while guiding moths through eden

[atomic palm]

For the seasonal area where you buy the cosmetics, the area reminds me of where you'd land after being vibe checked and losing all your wl, even the music is the same
Which has me wondering are we willingly entering purgatory

[foggy lotus]

That probably isnt likely, as we still have our winged light and such

[atomic palm]

Hope we can keep this area after the season, it's cool

[frigid tinsel]

It actually could be. Common name for that area (where we go after dying, inside the leviathan, shard memories) has been referred to as limbo

[crude kindle]

Also, Season of Starlight when

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo

[crude kindle]

The cosmetics potential and the fact we could explore other planets... Including the Little Princes planet and such

My bad, thought it was the setting for journey but its a seperate game

[slate saffron]

WELL THAT'S NEW-

[copper saffron]

my sky kid oc is literally named Skye and is a veteran who likes to wear the moth outfit who goes on a crossover adventure with the Shattering's arrival

[potent sedge]

god dang it i got a bingo twice

my theory is that maybe the ancient darkness and ancient light were physical beings like the ancestors and that they were friends or at least they knew each other, but once Eden grew out of control, the ancient darkness 'won' a war against the ancient light

and the corruption of eden was so disastrous that it destroyed their physical bodies, leaving behind the husks we see in the new area [which idk the name of it, is there even a name for that place]

another idea i have is that the ancient lights and ancient darkness are not the same as the modern light/darkness. maybe the ancient ones weren't good/bad, but eden caused them to become that way

[copper saffron]

idk if it comes up in live but in beta i seem to remember it having the name come up in the bottom left as 'ancient memory - something about being stored in Eden'

[graceful oasis]

Sadly my oc doesn’t a bingo on this.

[copper saffron]

no matter what way i do it my kid doesnt bingo either but does magic Light weapons count as owning a weapon and does wielding the Darkness count as a dark child?

[slate saffron]

Some funky ancient darkness photos

ignore the second one it's not supposed to be there
Interesting notes:

1. Made of stone
2. Didn't features crabs prominently
3. Darkness plants are growing on the krill

ALSO SOME funky ancient light photos

Interesting notes:

1. Also made of stone
2. Features mantas, jellies, king jellies, & butterflies
3. Also no crabs

ALSO ALSO here is some stuff from the recent Darkness shard memory

[graceful oasis]

Crabs are the ultimate neutral force, they can be influence by both forces, and shall not care which they serve.

[copper saffron]

sanctuary has friendly crabs yes

[nova meadow]

This area looks like an unpolluted version of hidden forest. I wonder if that was the intention I guess we get to see what it looked like before the rain

[strange tapir]

What if all the shattering locations for this season happen to be where the wind tunnels lead to 🤯

[graceful oasis]

Huh… But not the Prophecy caves?

[visual lichen]

That is really cool.

[visual lichen]

It is possible, only time will tell. Today and tomorrow will confirm it.

[graceful oasis]

As long is there is a Sky, something will fly by and crash on our faces

[gleaming glacier]

That seems likely considering it was said the shards will fall off the ‘main’ path

Would make getting to fall sites easier

[vagrant blaze]

Hello Lore

I would like to ask you something

As I heard from somewhere, the dev say that the shard event still active even the season ends, is this thing relate to any Lore?

Like this sky era gonna end soon.

[nimble ingot]

Personally, the seasons occur in real time for the skykids.
As the realms reset every day, eden every week, and there bekng 4 seasons in a year for sky. When the season of shattering started, skykied may have to deal with the shards from then onwards.

Think of it as fortnite's events. Where some of the changes to the maps and characters persist after the event ended.

[copper saffron]

the shard has shattered, there's no going back

[gleaming glacier]

We need Sky Flex Tape to fix the diamond /j

[copper saffron]

TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE
I SHATTERED THIS DIAMOND

[vagrant blaze]

Oh

[gleaming glacier]

NOW THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE

[copper saffron]

HOW BOUT SOME MORE
shattering begins

[strange tapir]

What if reopening the wind tunnels caused the shattering???

[graceful oasis]

The wind tunnels are important, but Eden is currently going through recycling from how many kids have gone up there and ascended passed it.

[hoary ingot]

Could you elaborate, please?

[shy chasm]

Vault?? That you??

[fallen pagoda]

ayo-

[night herald]

||is it just me or did the jellyfish go up higher this time?/||

[copper saffron]

ok if you go to a memory, it'll say "Ancient Memory - A piece of frozen memory from Eye of Eden"
what that implies idk, but we can assume that's what that area is called, with the seasonal spirits
and presumably, also the black room we go to at the end of eden, and the pity room too

[visual lichen]

Every season event and area that has ever been in sky, stays in sky. Treehouse, forgotten ark, sanctuary Islands, Music shop, and more. So I would say yes, those shards are gonna stay. The devs did say this season was a huge game changer.

[outer hare]

Weird questions and findings ( more findings) but the "light" side of the spirits in the new seasonal area involve all light creatures apart from "spirit" or translucent ones, which would tie in with a theory i saw the other day with spirit animals being weaker and drained versions of the regular animals—That's fine. But on the "dark" side we dont see crabs instead we see dark plants. This confuses me whether it was just a design choice or something else to leave the crabs out even though i believe that they are considered a dark creature from what ive seen. This also makes me think why light blooms werent included, maybe because they are similar to the "spirit" animals that are weaker but this also makes you think of the deeper effects of rain and pollution of the animals. I also noted the size of the still maybe captured king jellyfish we see in the light spirit corner in contrast ofd the ones we see in eden. Growth is enormous however im questioning whether creatures and spirits in sky actually die from old age. Considering these mantas in prairie and sanctuary could be there for centuries. I also somehow ended up thinking about how the sanctuary manta doesnt go eden and stays unlike the similar ( i think from memory ) flight manta who leaves. Thank you and thats all for my dump 💜 Bobbit ^^

[slim plume]

Crabs are neither good nor bad (as seen with the friendly crabs in Sanctuary), they tend to be more aggressive when their territory is polluted or being intruded upon (as seen with the Enchantment murals, and in general around the polluted areas of the game) so it makes sense why they aren't on either the "light" or "dark" in the seasonal area

[vagrant blaze]

Oh alr

[keen wren]

Ok hear me out… sunfish based manta

[rigid mural]

There's sunfish in Sky ! Look out in the Sanctuary Islands and in the Treasure Reef after you completed the 5th Abyss quest !

[nimble ingot]

Sunfish sighted

[rigid mural]

I think we need a giant one for another underwater season
It would be so cool to see Sky megafauna.

[nimble ingot]

Also, recapping on the Abyss season's finale.
The spirit manta did make it. :)

Here is hoping there would be octopus, manatee (or what these moose antlers sea cows are), deer, and ancestor fish statues.

[slim plume]

More sea creatures in general would be amazing

[naive flare]

Would absolutely love to see more elder light creatures, because man has anyone else realised how ridiculously fast the elder manta/whale from sanctuary is? I get that they just only want us seeing it from afar but I want to see and ride it up close lol, must have been terrifying to face those massive, zoomy bois in the wastelands

[rigid mural]

There's the elder bird from Rhythm but it hasn't been seen since.

[naive flare]

I wasnt playing sky that early in time for that season! Looks like i have some youtube clip to find

[visual lichen]

There are dark crabs, if you go to the caves at Forgotten ark. You will see a mural of how the stars first found the crabs after thier crash. Then you see murals of them running away. Seeing as the murals depict the crabs emerging from the contaminated water of wasteland. They are definately dark creatures. As for thier life cycle, skellitons of manta, and that huge white dragon can be found in forest and vault. Maybe just simply remnants of when the darkness invaded, so I don't think they die of old age. As I did the missions for sanctuary Islands, every time a bellbrang it summoned the manta from the depths of the ocean. Possibly hiding out of fear of corruption or death. However, the darkness isn't realy depicted properly. As you don't get dark manta, or dark jelly fish. In my opinion the devs spent more effort on the light side of the story than the dark side.

[naive flare]

I think because there are very specifically non dark crabs you can find on sanctuary, that was why there weren’t crabs for ancient darkness, to simply just avoid this confusion lol

[visual lichen]

It took a while folks but here is the full mural collection for Isle of dawn.

[marsh rivet]

I love sunfish... I LOVE SUNFISH (cries autistically)

[visual lichen]

Those are dark crabs In my opinion. If you knock them over, and pick them up, you will see the darkness dripping off them, like the crabs in wasteland. Maybe the crabs were always dark creatures. Like all crabs, scavengers, except these crabs in sky are more preditorial than scavenger. I would say let's just accept, they not dark or light, but somewhere in between, not like the red crystal crabs we seeing in this season, who seem evil to a piont. You can't even knock them over. BTW talking of normal crabs, have you noticed that if you knock a crab over, it's friends will rush towards it and help it back onto its feet. I've seen it a couple of times. It's too funny. But these new crabs are not as smart or as kind.

[visual lichen]

These concepts are awesome. Sky would be way more intertaining, with such constructions and wild life hehehe however we do have this thing whatever it's called, but you can't touch it unfortunately.

[pale mason]

I have a question. In the season area, the krill statue(?) has no blue eyeball. If that’s the appearance of the original krill, do you guys have theories as to why they got blue eyeballs now?

[proud fable]

Hey peeps I am making something and I would really appreciate any help! . What were your first questions when you started looking into sky lore. ex: who is the king etc etc. You can answer with many . I will also ask people who are not that into it so that i can have an idea of what the most common lore faqs are .
smol moff me had way too many

ALSO: plz ping cuz idk if i will see the answer

[static inlet]

a friend of mine and i were planning a ttrpg based off sky so def one of the first questions were about eden, the king, n prince

[proud fable]

ty :P

[nimble ingot]

Sanctuary's Elder manta
It is a shame us skykids cannot interact or necessarily get near it. I know we can get close in certain places and let it pass right through us, but still.

Why must elders be so hard to reach and interact with?

[orchid jolt]

Since the new variant of crabs got added, I want to know if they'll help flip their non crystaline crustacean comrades.

A while ago, I had tested if the neutral crabs would help the dusty crabs right themselves and vice versa. They did, now I'm curious wether the crystal crabs will do the same, especially since they themselves don't flip over. Though, I'm not sure if there's gonna be any eruption in either of the areas with neutral crabs, prairie sanctuary and wasteland graveyard (not including office), so it might only be possible to do the test with the new crystal crabs and old dusty crabs.

[nimble ingot]

Forgotten ark may be an option, since there is a crab cave in the area.

[naive flare]

I started to get into lore around when season of “something touched my leg” (abyss) dropped, and was very interested in how corruption, darkness gems and power gems worked, where they came from, and how the ancestors did really nice and kind things to power/create them

[orchid jolt]

No neutral crabs there tho

[nimble ingot]

Then Sanctuary?
If there would be shards in the region.

[orchid jolt]

The normal dusty ones can also spawn in during eruptions, can confirm for the eruption this reset

[orchid jolt]

As I said, only way it's possible is with an eruption in prairie sanctuary or wasteland graveyard.

[orchid jolt]

Really nice n kind things? Ummm, who's gonna tell them?

[naive flare]

What? The manta-squisher-3000 (tm) right above the forest elder statue looks so friendly!

[proud fable]

HELP

[visual lichen]

That is a good question, but even that giant white dragon thing in the caves of forest, and the Grey version by the beginning of wasteland, are untouchable. Hahaha I tried to land on the back of a Krill, but the creature went all exorsits on my, swung it's head a full 180. So I'm not sure, besides thier heads, if the rest of thier body's are phisicaly or intangible.

[orchid jolt]

Oh, good. Glad you already basically knew

[nimble ingot]

Those are called whales / Big Fish

[proud fable]

in the game files they are called tuna-bois but it is an inside joke of TGC

[nimble ingot]

The one in Orbit though is solid, and was able to damage skykids that collide with it in the past. Though that was from a now remove feature that lets skykids get hurt should they hit walls too hard while flying.

[naive flare]

Wait, why is it possible in graveyard? Are there non angy crabs in graveyard? 👀

[visual lichen]

They do not, I did mention it earlier not sure if it was on this group. The normal crabs yes, the new ones can't be knocked over at all. I lead them away from the shards and the dummies don't go back to their original starting piont like the normal crabs. I think even if we could knock them over, they would abondon one another in order to attack us, unlike the normal crabs who help each other before attacking.

[orchid jolt]

Two. They should be near the bonfire. Personally, I'd think having to look at your own ancestor's corpses roast over a fire would be a good reason to attack things that look like the creatures who did that, but what do I know /s

But yeah, there are two non dusty neutral crabs there

[visual lichen]

True, it never hurt me though. Last Sunday I did eden and I guess I was faster than normal, the whale, came up and I hovered above it like with the manta, but very briefly, before it zoomed off hehehe. The others however aren't so phisicaly

[orchid jolt]

Oftentimes, normal crabs attack first and take longer than five minutes to realize their comrade is down and to flip them back over. So, imo, it needs to be tested a lot to be sure that they actually don't help out rather than just the code not recognizing the other crabs

[naive flare]

Welp, maybe this is happy lore? Maybe instead of killing them this is like that really nice and gentle kind of bonfire that definitely exists and we are just roasting them to get rid of their darkness, right? Right?

Edit: to clarify, as an explanation for why the nearby crabs dont attack

[visual lichen]

From what I've observed if you are close to the attacking crab or close to the one you knocked over, they attack first. If you are a distance away from all crabs they'll help each other first, then head back to thier original spawn locations and attack. The ones in sanctuary are very alert, and the ones in wasteland, are so many that there are enough crabs to attack and help each other.

[orchid jolt]

It doesn't cause damage anymore, from my understanding, it only caused damage when crashing into walls at high speeds did as well. They didn't cause damage, but since they were (at least partially) solid hitting them would register as hitting a wall. Plus, the "solid" would be moving so that would likely make the crash damage much easier to occur than normal

[orchid jolt]

I've watched the ones in forest (hide n seek cave) walk in circles going to the right while their flipped over palls are two steps to the left

[visual lichen]

I have noticed the crabs become dosile, at the wasteland camp fire, "social area" when they are close or in the boundaries of the camp

[orchid jolt]

It could also be fear. Like, "if I hurt them they'll do the same to me...."

[visual lichen]

Yea those crabs are a bit glitchy. Sometimes for me there is always 1 crab half in the wall or under the ground mesh

[orchid jolt]

Likely, this isn't the case and they just didn't get "infected" by the dust. (Maybe the dust couldn't easily coalesce there due to the large fire)

[proud fable]

Idk if it has been said but this is VERY old - anyways. What if the vault elder originated from forest - was the shaman and helped the prince? Then set the forest elder on her position (maybe sister or sth) which explains why the devs have said that those two elders are related. Maybe they were not originally similar but the stone had effects on them or something. Additionally it would make lot of sense for the forest elder to be placed in this position since she / they are not happy with what they are doing in the cutscene + maybe this was why the vault elder has guilts. It may have also been that the vault elder realised the risk of the power diamonds and retreated to the vault to keep information on them and on the sky kingdom as a whole ( i have pings off dont kill me)

To make my thought a bit clearer:

-> Vault elder originates in forest - is shaman - helps prince

-> starts using dark stone but realises how dangerous it is

-> retreats and makes a vault to store knowledge because she is afraid or sth.

-> in the meanwhile the forest elder takes her position in maybe inventing dark stone stuff while it was not her original purpose

-> This explains:
a) Why the forest elder is angry and doesnt like her job 💀(at least that is what i think)

b) Why the Vault elder has guilts and seems to have a tear on her mask

c) the fact that devs have stated that the two elders have some kind of relation

[uncut pond]

I believe Vault Elder, possibly being a scholar and all, probably comes up with all the recipes and instructions for what can be done with Darkstone by studying it and how it can be used, while Forest being a blacksmith has a talent for building and crafting things with the Darkstone
They compliment each other basically, Vault creates the theory and Forest puts it in practice

[plush mantle]

Mainly if Alef or King were still around I headcanon/believe that King is locked away in the dimond thing that's seen in Eden and Alef is disguised as a normal skykid to get socal interaction because he's very lonely

[keen shore]

YOU ACGUALLY MADE IT??

[graceful oasis]

Basically Eden is reacting to how cycles we have gone through it, taking those that have been frozen by the rocks to the upper castle and out into the space we can be reborn… Which is basically just throwing us back down to the planet.

[twilit stump]

i saw a couple of non-king krabs in today's shard area

[sharp lichen]

Would you like to know the math around Power Diamonds?

[fickle tundra]

Do skykids feel pain? can they freeze?

if yes for both: how bad is water trial for them?

[floral grove]

Sky Kids cower when doing the playfight emote but they're not terrified of getting pelted by a storm of red rocks every now and again in PNR. They probably feel force but not pain

[fickle river]

the meme im doing is not worth it

[sharp lichen]

They do wince when winged light is taken out of them, I think

@fickle river WHAT MEME OH AND WELCOME TO LORECHAT

[fickle river]

ooh, sorry, wrong channel, oops. but its a moth meme

[sharp lichen]

L, i saw you post stuff about Sky lore