lore-discussion-spoilers

[uncut pond]

Nah it probably was already

[outer hare]

I always end up coming late to lorechats ( in my timezone ) 5am chats

I wasnt here that early but can you expand on this if you have time, thank you

[uncut pond]

No that's really all of it
One's purpose is to keep the Eden beam open using their power, but because they did it alone for so many time it eventually took a toll on their mental health because of the loneliness and exhaustion and that's how the Diamond went corrupt

[outer hare]

Why is it required to keep the beam ahead ( im really sorry if this is a stupid question ) ?

[uncut pond]

The beam is what allows ancestors to ascend

[outer hare]

mhm, and why couldnt there be anyone else to power the diamond. For instance the elders? ( another really stupid sounding question im sorry T^T)

[sharp lichen]

The only collab I want is a Sky x Journey lore one, although I wouldn’t really mind anything else

[uncut pond]

If we're gonna talk about collabs that could do cool stuff with lore then I desperately want a Hyper Light Drifter crossover because I kid you not the lore of both games has an unbelievable amount of similarities and they would fit pretty well together imo

But Journey crossover would be awesome too

[regal forge]

I think crabs act like raccoons
Good day

[hushed steeple]

What

[outer hare]

That happened to me a while ago but im sure grammas levitation skills arent lore, i think shes probably just equal to megabirb in her powerful surprising seat choices

[hushed steeple]

But a real question how they levitate

[hushed steeple]

Well if we base this upon the scholars in vault, I'm guessing it's peace of mind and a will of floating.

[keen shore]

That’s just what non-binary people do

[rigid mural]

can confirm

[untold notch]

can confirm

[hushed steeple]

Could confirm

[wheat ridge]

What is this creature? (Sorry if sudden)

[hushed steeple]

A light whale, found in forest's secret area, on your way to wasteland and on your way to orbit and in sanctuary

[wheat ridge]

Oooh I see
As a moth, I used to be terrified of them
Now they are just chill

[frigid tinsel]

Wish we could interact with them more closely

[rocky granite]

I dont think its actually a whale, i know theres the whale whisperer and a lot of people call it a whale but its tail goes side to side like a fish and the emoji calls it a fish too

Theres a fish called dunkleosteus i think that looks a lot like it
Just the skull part mostly

[hushed steeple]

Well it's wierd, when it's the full light creature, it's named a whale. When individual parts put together it's called a fish...
|| Maybe it's a mix between the 2, but it needs further study ||

[rocky granite]

Heres the fish its got the same kind of bumpy side fin thing and i think the face looks pretty similarly the fins kind of do too

[hushed steeple]

[wheat ridge]

Maybe it’s something like the comparison of the bones of whales and pandas and them alive?

[hushed steeple]

???

[rocky granite]

Orcas ahhhh that makes more sense

[hushed steeple]

Mmmm.... could do

[wheat ridge]

English is not my first language and I can’t explain things very well, so 🤷‍♀️
Hope people understood me

[hushed steeple]

I am certain I’m late to this, but I don’t care that much because I want to put my input.
This mural depicts to us why The King was sent to the kingdom of sky in the first place, to open up Orbit and provide people a way to ascend. Kinda like Jesus in a way.

I wonder though, if the daimond was already there, or if The King made it themself. And how did they turn it into the source/point of ascension. Perhaps they were sent down with a massive amount of light imbued with the power of orbit, or the ability to establish a connection to mega bird. And The King’s mission had been known to them from the start.
Or maybe the rift was opened by trapping all 6 kinds of light into tge diamond. And what if that emense power was the source of the light orbs the Light Seekers find. It kind of makes sense seeing as white light is a combination of all lights, and there had to be some sort of massive reaction as the path throught and/or to Orbit was being established.

Oh the possibilities!!!!

[hushed steeple]

Just got a thought, what if the elders were born this way as well. I know there isn’t as much evidence in support of it as there is against it, but it’s still a neat idea.

I just realized, this mural uses white paint. Which is kind of odd since nearly all the other murals use mostly yellow or blue. I think the only other murals that use white paint are the ones in the isle cave.

[pastel brook]

Hey @frigid tinsel, how was your Sky day?

[uncut pond]

Oh hey I forgot Skybot could randomly ping people

[uncut pond]

Oh god I just misread the bot's name as "rainbowobot"

[frigid tinsel]

Once Skybot was owoBot during the uwu outbreak

[uncut pond]

The WHAT outbreak???

[keen shore]

skybowot

[frigid tinsel]

This is the only image I have of it

Which given this is how Salem is regularly, is not pivotal evidence

[uncut pond]

Oh lord this just gave me a flashback of when I first joined Discord years ago, I used to say OwO and UwU too often

[keen shore]

ISJRIWUFIWFIFIF I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THE RAIN OWOMOTE

I need to say owo more often, it’s great for dealing psychic damage

[uncut pond]

Infect everyone with the pathowogen

[keen shore]

season of prawrphecy

[uncut pond]

Prophecy was just the beginning, soon the Furry shadow cabal will turn the entire Sky playerbase into furries

[woven steppe]

I have a headcanon developing wherein the story arc isn't linear, but cyclical. There are daily cycles, weekly cycles, and seasonal cycles. There's a reason everything resets either once a day or once a week; there's a cycle of light and darkness and we are always always collecting and returning light. It's our job as skykids in the realm. Yes, there's history, but in some ways those big story arcs are just metaphors for what we do every day and/or week. Think "this has all happened before and this will all happen again" from Battlestar Gallactica. But It's not a meaningless loop. It's a sarcastic joke sometimes, but the friends we make along the way really is the point.

[proper cosmos]

where in the kings green realms did people squeeze out the fact the megabird exists?

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao's concept art

[outer hare]

Bobbit- ✨

[uncut pond]

You can see megabird in Orbit and post-credits scene

[proper cosmos]

THATS THE MEGABIRD???
DAMN THEY BIG

[proper cosmos]

THIS IS GORGEOUS THANK TOU

[tough coral]

megabird my beloved...

[primal vale]

So guys, I wonder

If there used to be a whale in forest, how did it die, I have some thoughts too:
On how shallow the water is, probably couldn’t breathe that time.
Natural causes

But I wonder too.. if forest had more water? The whale possibly couldn’t swim in such shallow water. This might help, please correct me if I’m wrong or share thoughts.

[mossy brook]

whales still technically are in forest, the underground caverns has one. Of course, because there are so many clouds below, it must be thriving on precipitation..
thing is, whales seem to live everywhere dangerous. You see one in forest, one in gw, and even one when you’re ||ascending to orbit||! Maybe it would have died due to conditions, but there’s a chance it was an unnatural death too, considering forest had a history of having it’s resources exploited

[primal vale]

Hmm, I think before the darkness attacked, hidden Forrest Was still safe, (thinking tha the water before was safe) maybe the darkeness was the reason the resources got exploited? Another dumb sounding question, sorry

[mossy brook]

Or maybe the rain was polluted from the start
The trees helped keep out the rain that could have potentially been leaked into the fresh water to make it dirty. Then the ancestors did begin to cut down trees, allowing the dirty rain to seep in and destroy the ecosystem, which in turn grew more darkness

[lusty merlin]

Another topic but I find it interesting these two eden statues only count as one instead of two, can’t think of a lore type reason though. Only game wise to make it easier to tap once instead of twice cuz they’re so close togeather, still sad though ☹️

[languid island]

A twin flame? Like lovers that grew together (not unlike Hermes and Afrodite)

[lusty merlin]

Ow that hurts, but that does make a lot of sense I saw another one like this up ahead so it’s not the only one

[keen wren]

Ok so this isn’t really a theory but I thought it was neat. When you're in the eden pity room and stand still or move slowly your skids hand grasps at their light thing on their chest. I assume it’s because their light has gone out?

[nimble ingot]

Ooh! 3 statues/
TGC really did well with making the statues looks so sweet, and yet sad.
Poor kids.

[cobalt palm]

One of the thoughts I had around the whale bones we see at the broken bridge is if it had something to do with the dismayed hunter, as they are pointing their bow in that direction before they become dismayed.
Maybe they were shooting at a target, but missed and struck a whale by mistake.

[rugged barn]

So uh I need help...

What is the thing that Cannoneer has? I know it's harpoon but a harpoon what?

It's for fanfic

[eternal totem]

Power diamond powered harpoon gun…?

[rigid mural]

Could have been used as defense against krills since cannoneer concept art implies they could have been fighting them.

[rigid mural]

Oh I really like this ! Especially because it looks like the whale destroyed a building in its fall, I see that hunter dropping a string of profanities seeing the damage they caused

[cobalt palm]

Quick, hide in the tunnel.
Darkest timeline: the shock wave caused the bridge to collapse, and the cave in at the crying cave

[rigid mural]

OH NO

[slim mango]

Lore: all spirit with cape have level 1 🤔

[rigid mural]

It's a bug that appeared after Abyss ended I think !

[sharp lichen]

I’ve heard that it’s a bug, but how come it’s not fixed?

[tranquil harbor]

It took them forever to fix literal holes in the Sanctuary walls. Cape stars are probs low priority, if they're even worth bothering at all

[rigid mural]

If it ends up being canon tho... here's a thing I found interesting.

Might take this in my headcanons just because I really dislike the trope of adults having lost their wings/magic in general and not just Sky.
Caped ancestors could have had the ability to glide, albeit for less time because they don't seem to be made for that unlike light creatures or skykids, hence why they would use flying boats and mantas anyway.

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, Thrill Seeker definitely seems like they could glide. The entire memory is chasing them around the island, and not all their memory shards are straight above the geysers.

[frigid tinsel]

Even when they fixed the Sanctuary holes, another one showed up.

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder what causes the holes. Terrain seems to change for no rhyme or reason with updates. (Though tbh the holes amuse me greatly and I'd be fine with them staying forever )

[rigid mural]

I know a guy

[frigid tinsel]

Likewise, the patch notes for the update that made the wedges on caped ancestors appear said that they had fixed the floating stars bug when that bug is still present. So the devs were messing with the appearance of cape wedges. Perhaps the wedges on spirits were an unintended consequence.
Coding and such is hard. You patch one thing and two more bugs pop up.

[tranquil harbor]

Much like irl bugs

[keen shore]

I know this doesn’t really hold up, but I like to think that the building the whale fell into was supposed to be the forest temple and then they had to move it to the darkstone refinery. RIP dismayed hunter, they made one of the biggest mistakes in the kingdom and our skykid doesn’t know

[rigid mural]

Irl bugs ? These ? 🪲 ?

[frigid tinsel]

Ever seen those videos of someone crushing a spider and a bunch more tiny ones come crawling out cos that spider was pregnant? Coding is like that.

[keen shore]

Echo…

[rigid mural]

You guys are cowards. Just means more friends.

[keen shore]

SO TRUE, deserved for crushing a spider

[rigid mural]

Pepo too

[frigid tinsel]

I was thinking Pepo — beetle mask

Also y’all know nothing until you see a centipede longer than your whole hand crawl out your bathroom drain

[keen shore]

our skykids making fun of bumbling boatswain when dismayed Hunter is right there and so much worse

[rigid mural]

I take a picture ? This would do numbers in the group chat.

[frigid tinsel]

I would too — bugs are cool — but not in my bloody bathroom with my mom screaming in the background

[keen shore]

maybe they wanted to take a shower too, don’t be rude

[rigid mural]

Yeah, bugs got hygiene too.

[frigid tinsel]

If TGC finally adds bugs in Sky I hope they know how to respect our privacy

[tranquil harbor]

you still don't share a shower with someone without asking

[rigid mural]

What if it's THEIR shower tho

[tranquil harbor]

Then we need to ask first, clearly

[frigid tinsel]

They didn’t pay rent smh

[rigid mural]

I thought we were over landlord's being a natural thing smh

[tranquil harbor]

Landlords yes, freeloaders no

[keen shore]

you got a free shower snack and you threw it away? smh

[rigid mural]

Proteins

[keen shore]

but yeah, I kinda wonder what the building the whale fell into was before it got destroyed

[lucid bridge]

Spiders are welcome. Silverfish and mosquitos are not.

[lucid bridge]

I like the idea that it used to be the temple. Or maybe it was another factory.

[tranquil harbor]

What do Silverfish even do?

[flat tangle]

Eat pages and clothes

[tranquil harbor]

So like, annoying termites?

[flat tangle]

And push me off ladders

[flat tangle]

Yeah

[teal escarp]

"Building the whale fell into"? What are we talking about?

[keen shore]

You know where the whale skeleton is? The building surrounding that

[teal escarp]

In golden wasteland?

Maybe I don't look at things enough

[keen shore]

In hidden forest!

[teal escarp]

Oooooh!!!!! Where you get the voice!?

I wondered what that was a skeleton of... It seems too small to be one of these guys

[rapid arrow]

And it probably is since the bone structure is similar to the one alive in the golden wasteland
It has a mouth and I hate it but it’s a round flying boi

[frigid tinsel]

it could've been a smaller whale too, perhaps a juvenile

[tough coral]

i think this is sky lore i think

[rigid mural]

I like to think Performance guide would humor skykids that bring them props, especially the ones they might not have in the theater themselves.

[fair knot]

Hi guys, anyone know why this six "memories" looks different from the other ones? ...

[frigid tinsel]

either lighting or they're just turned around

[rigid mural]

i licked them

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if there's a visible difference between memory cubes that are empty or store something

[rigid mural]

some taste like salt lamps while others taste like plastic

[frigid tinsel]

please don't lick salt lamps

[rigid mural]

try and stop me

[frigid tinsel]

where's my fly swatter

[keen shore]

some of them have spirits trapped inside /j

[keen wren]

Heya lore chat anyone got references for the Megabird? It’s for an art thing hehe

[frigid tinsel]

first image is of Megabird as shown after the end credits.
second image is of Tom Zhao's concept Megabird

[keen wren]

Poggg ty!

[fair knot]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh O.O there's five spirits and one elder in vault, maybe that's why those "memories" looks different

[nimble ingot]

ominous

[keen shore]

Noooo it was a joke please don’t take me seriously!, I mean, it’s possible but I doubt it

[rigid mural]

there's a spirit that was put in the vault jar because they were very rude and uncooperative

[rapid arrow]

It’s a punishment for new acolytes and scholars in the vault/j

[keen wren]

Nooo not the jar

[frigid tinsel]

Degonime

[keen shore]

DONT CURSE IN THIS CHANNEL /hj

[rigid mural]

genie but they swear and tell you to go away if you try to help them out

[keen shore]

AIDHAIDUAIFIWIFJ

[rigid mural]

rest in pottery degonime

[keen shore]

picking up the jar and shaking them around

[frigid tinsel]

honking into it

[keen shore]

putting salt inside & using it as a salt shaker

[rigid mural]

devs had to close this jar because degonime unwittingly taught skykids swear words

[keen shore]

their name Is a curse word

[frigid tinsel]

it was a random gen name and I have no bloody clue why it's censored in game

[rigid mural]

you say their name three times in the mirror and they show up to call you a dirty squatter

[frigid tinsel]

context for the lurkers

personally I would kick them out the Vault

[rigid mural]

degonime's the relative that makes everyone uncomfortable at family dinners during the end of the year festivities

[frigid tinsel]

Degonime would give skykids dark water

[rocky granite]

Omg imagine they were in there and then everyone died and now theyre stuck nooo hahaha

[frigid tinsel]

idk I think they got their just deserves

[rigid mural]

would degonime want to visit this cool spot i found in the graveyard, lots of light to gather, they just need to sit for a bit

[proper cosmos]

pretty safe too, not much goes on there

[untold notch]

oh this krill? yeah dont worry about it lmao its friendly

[floral grove]

Spaghetti

[keen shore]

honestly if you want to draw Megabird, you can just do a glowing bright yellow swirl vaguely shaped like a bird and it would be accurate

[eternal totem]

Why did I think of the NetEase logo

[violet sundial]

SOBBING

Wait oh my god.
Megabird is a peep

[keen shore]

they do look disturbingly similar

[violet sundial]

Did anyone else bite off the heads of peeps first

[polar forge]

Yes.
Yes I do.
Thank God they aren't alive... Aren't they?

[violet sundial]

Every peep you eat is the Megabird of one instance of the Sky universe

[iron copper]

I have a small question regarding Prophecy trials: Even though Alef is the first spirit who finished all 4 trials, how did he become King of Eden? Did he just claim himself as one, or did someone give him the title for recognizing his effort? There might not be concrete evidence or proof out there, but I just wanna know you guys' thoughts.

[pastel brook]

@iron copper has what it takes to pass these trials

[harsh pecan]

Wait that bird is kinda cute tho

[torn eagle]

From my observation after alef/prince have completed the trials they were revered and the people crowned him as prince/king

Everyone seems willing for alef to be their leader ever since he passed the trials where everyone else failed

[iron copper]

Observation? So there are signs of this from the murals? Which mural would that be then?

[torn eagle]

Every prophecy mural

[iron copper]

Ah! Guess I missed it. My bad 💀 And this might be a weird question, since it includes gameplay, but lorewise, would it be possible to say that every spirit that failed the trials failed not because they died, but because they gave up? The prince was the first to finish all trials despite possibly "dying" multiple times in them. I'm saying this since our sky kids never die in trials, but are brought back to checkpoints.

[torn eagle]

For the murals what I mean is connect the pieces together and make an observation... My observation is the one I have stated in relation to your question

As for the respawn thing... Idk if its just for gameplay or part of the lore.. Tired to think about it its 7 am almost 8 no sleep and I still have a bit of work to do

[iron copper]

It's okay! It's just something I came across when I thought about it. Like, maybe the murals showed that the dead bodies I'm the trials weren't of other spirits, but is the prince's, showing that he "died" multiple times to reach the end of each trial. If it's proven to be wrong then so be it lol

[torn eagle]

Im gonna check prophecy murals again in a bit see if theres differences between the prince figure and the other dead figures

[frigid tinsel]

Chosen One is depicted like a skykid in the intro cave murals while ancestors usually are painted with two stripes in their middles

[sharp lichen]

OH I CAME JUST IN TIME

[sharp lichen]

I think that the reason Skykids never die is because of their teleportation powers saving them at the last moment,

I think it could be a reasonable explanation, especially because the deaths seem unnecessarily cruel for the Sky game. But we really don’t know.

[iron copper]

My way of thinking was something like, "we lose lights and end up in that dark room if we reach somewhere near death, so why does that not apply for prophecy trials?" The first conclusion that I thought of was that the trials was never a place where you could die in in the first place. It puts you in a repeated cycle until you reach the end.

Maybe you were taken to a limbo between life and death, where neither matters until you either reach the end of the trial, or give up.

Again, I wasn't 100% sure. My mindset is more towards "Theory is possible unless proven otherwise," so I came here to see if there was any proof that goes against my headcanon.

[sharp lichen]

There are theories that the Trials are a mind space/ not 100% connected to reality

[keen shore]

I agree with this take. It makes a lot more sense to me that they’d be feel more like a lucid dream than anything else, especially while you’re experiencing them. Considering that the landscapes also look super dreamlike and you have to meditate to get to them, it makes the most sense to me.

They definitely aren’t capable of killing skykids. I doubt they would kill ancestors either, but it’s hard to tell. It would probably feel like dying in dreams where you experience this vague fear and pain, but it’s nowhere near as potent as it would be irl. Failing in this context might even be just forcing yourself to wake up because you’re scared of dying

[sharp lichen]

Salem you’ve krilled the chat! Good job

[pastel brook]

#lore-discussion-spoilers definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[tough coral]

headcanon that artificial lighting (particularly electrical lights like the stuff we got irl) wouldn't count as "Light" for Skykids, and might actually do a bit more harm than good- Light is about the actual... force of the light, it's not particles and waves and beams, it's essentially a sort of magic.

[wanton flume]

Anyone have wasteland lore cause I’m not really sure what happened there

[regal forge]

My theory on the prophecy trials and the way to fail is based on what the trials themselves represent
Trial of water tests patience
So when someone gets very impatient, starts constantly going too soon, gets frustrated about waiting for the water or someone to go, etc.
they fail. And are taken from the trial.
Earth tests resilience
When someone keeps falling from the floating blocks or high structures (even without harm) and start giving up, laying there or refusing to jump to them at all
They fail. And are taken from the trial
Wind is balance
Not literal balance but your emotional balance
Intense frustration, anger, sadness, etc. or negative emotions are easy ways to fail the trial.
don’t be fooled. You shouldn’t get to prideful either.
Fire tests your courage
Not bravery, courage. Something that you yourself fear
Personally I don’t think this trial is the same for everyone.
None the less, the trial continues even when someone refuses to go on
It comes to them facing their fear so they need to at least have a chance
They fail when they’re done… when even after the end of the trial and they are practically invincible… they can’t pass the fear that waits between them and the way home.
(The final stretch of fireworms we can destroy)
im sorry I keep writing paragraphs ;-;

[dusty leaf]

Euh guys i have a question

So Alasdair thought that Megabird is collective hivemind right?

The problem is, i dont know what that means. Im still confused. Can you guys give me an example of it?

[nimble ingot]

A hive mind is like a bee in a hive.
Each individual bee may be their own creature, but they all work together as they have a common mind set.

The megabird (or bird of light as some concept art mentions this too) is made of light. Each light is a soul or a piece of light (mote).
As they all gather together to from the Megabird, it begs the question if the megabird itself is creature of its own and gathers all of this light. Or if each piece of light that gathers are what makes up the megabird.

As in, if the megabird would be the queen bee commanding all of the bees in a hive. Or if the megabird would be the hive itself and all of the bees together.

Hope this helps.

[dusty leaf]

OHHH THAT MAKE SENSE

Thank you!

[rigid mural]

Here @dusty leaf !

[dusty leaf]

Dont worry i already read it before, hell i screenshot it 😂. I asked the question beacouse for my headcannon, and possibly for my fanfiction.

But i appreciate it Vela 👍

[rigid mural]

Oops my bad, I misread what you said !

[carmine garnet]

Just a thought. So we know the golden wasteland was originally a golden color before turning into the sickly green it now is. Could the green color be from the blue darkness that have taken ahold of the land?

[sharp lichen]

I love this, except for the Wind Trial balance one. I’ve always thought that “balance” in this case would equate to “precision”, gameplay wise. You need to be skillful with how you move around in the Air Trial, or you fall. This is present in the other trials, but not to the same extent

[regal forge]

Perhaps. I’ve taken wind trial as one to throw them off. They’re so focused on staying balanced and together that they don’t realize how frustrated it’s making them and they start getting careless

[sharp lichen]

The most widely accepted theory is that Wasteland became corrupted due to darkness (and power diamonds, which power things up) affected the area.

The Golden Wasteland and Valley of Triumph used to be one thing, called the Golden Valley.

[sharp lichen]

Precision is extremely important in the Trial of Air, more so than the other trials. Although I can see how some emotional balance could be needed to complete the trial, I think physical balance plays a more important part.

[torn eagle]

Wait it used to be one? I didnt know that

[sharp lichen]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1283925628371099648?s=21&t=43T21Fd5fr7VtwC9WZvLkA Yep! Here it is

[torn eagle]

Oh wait.. isnt Golden wasteland at the bottom of the mountains? It says here golden valley is like a downtown area they built a city on top of a mountain 🤔

[carmine garnet]

Yeah. To get to the wasteland from the valley, it’s mainly downward

[torn eagle]

So wouldn't that mean golden valley there doesnt signify that wasteland and valley used to be one?

[carmine garnet]

I think it’s hinted in the name, tho I don’t really know 🤷‍♀️

[willow shoal]

[frigid tinsel]

Wow, I’m honored

[frigid tinsel]

It wouldn’t be that the Wasteland and Valley of Triumph were planned to be one, but rather in the kingdom’s history they were considered one area. As you see from the tweet, the Golden Valley was the downtown area of the Valley of Triumph, so at least part of the now-Wasteland was a part of the city.

[rapid arrow]

Didn’t someone make comparison photos between the valley of triumph architecture and wasteland architecture?

[hushed steeple]

What if it was a sinkhole effect?

Like, we know that after the final gate of valley opens, the topology keeps going deeper yet the structures somewhat continue. Valley in general must have been quite close to the clouds in terms of ground level, so that's why the sea of clouds continue throughout - even until the start of wasteland. But BOOM - sinkhole! Since it was cause at such a high level (literally in the sky), the drop in pressure resulted in the typhoon and collapse of the area. That might explain why there's hardly any clouds in Waste.

Sounds dumb but yeyeaahhh

[hushed steeple]

Even the part where you bump into the first krill has the same architecture as the temple (The part where you meditate) in Forest

[rapid arrow]

I also think in was talked about how the wasteland was like a port city, or like a big city by the sea

[hushed steeple]

But trynna connect Ark and Treasure cove (can't remember the exact name) and Flight only makes me cry more-

But I remember someone mentioning how each spirit may also live in various time lines as well. If you move area to area, you see that quality of life and civilization improves. When it went too far, that's when everything went whack

[rapid arrow]

I forget all the seasons that might be post apocalyptic. But the ones I know are
Assembly
Lightseeker
And Abyss

[trim yoke]

I remember you lecturing me about that multiple times ehhee :)

[keen shore]

Psst do you mean different points in time or different timelines entirely? The first is canon afaik, the second is proven untrue :0 I just thought I’d clear this up because it can get really confusing

[hushed steeple]

Oh yes - different points of time! Thanks for clarifying

I'm usually rather inactive on Discord, so I rarely go through the chats. I just read through some of the messages on the top around the lore - and wow All of you'll come up with the most amazing theories - some highlight certain points, add in their interpretation, then another joins in and helps build a foundation for it - and then it keeps on evolving You'll guys are hella cool - just wanted yall to know that

No wonder TGC doesn't confirm much, cause that just leaves room for insane levels of creativity

[sharp lichen]

We have that, and then we have the pilk lore.

[hushed steeple]

Whot's dat

[sharp lichen]

Don't ask about it, or you'll get the worst food takes ever uttered by a person.

[tranquil harbor]

Pepsi Milk. A crime against everything

[hushed steeple]

Oh-oh no

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers is PG-rated 99% of the time, but pilk forces it to go down due to the immature food opinions

[severe anvil]

I'm thinking about Golden Wasteland and the poem Ozymandias by P.B. Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone," "on the sand, half sunk a shattered visage lies," "whose frown, and wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command / tell its sculptor well its passions read / which yet survive"

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it does seem there are similarities

[severe anvil]

I know that's the eden elder but he's also the king amongst the elders, the "king of kings" if you will

[rigid mural]

The path with golden borders that is found in the sliding race continues from the temple, and some shattered parts of it can be found near the whirlwind leading outside the social area of the wasteland, and even still forms a path around the area you find the Frightened Refugee in...

More credence to the theory these two realms were parts of the same urban agglomeration.

That, and it seems the wasteland had some strong navy influences, even the two seasonal areas there make you take a boat ! Perhaps this realm lived off their proximity to the sea, and still did when it got converted into a military base (water is a decent natural protection, along with mountains).

Perhaps the Valley was the residential area, and the Wasteland was the commercial/military/marine area ? Hence the concept art for the upcoming animation featuring buildings similar to what we find in there but with what looks like a bunch of shops with the textiles hung over entrances, to protect wares from the sun perhaps.

[keen shore]

I wonder if the valley temple is supposed to be in the middle of the city, between the two parts???

[rigid mural]

Well, twins in a lot of mythos that took inspiration from mesopotamian ones are associated with the boundary between life and death, so perhaps the Valley Elders guard the gates between two parts of a city indeed... But perhaps that came later when the lowlands got polluted so bad krills roamed here, so the twins would hold the boundary between your first steps (a lot of events are unlocked after finishing Valley, such as traveling spirits) and more advanced ones.

[frigid tinsel]

life in the city, death in the wasteland

Golden Valley was described as the "downtown" area. usually downtown has all the shopping districts and marketplaces

[rigid mural]

making my way downtown, walking fast

WALKING FASTER

[frigid tinsel]

arguably it's still downtown for the krills, a food district that seconds as an all-you-can-eat buffet

[small knot]

LMAOOO what the heck bye 👋🏻 ☠️

who that 😔

[hushed steeple]

Wait, they changed the harmony hall mural?

[frigid tinsel]

there's a thought that this figure might be a hint to the next collab season

[small knot]

ig idk lmaoo, i noticed it changed- but idk who that is,, unknown major spirit

[frigid tinsel]

yea nobody here knows anything for sure

[small knot]

also it looks like a woman

[hushed steeple]

The figure feels somewhat familiar to me, but I can’t figure out how or why.

[small knot]

she looks like she wearing a dress 👗,,

(unrelated picture sorry 😭 but looks like this)

[rigid mural]

someone said it's the wayfarer from journey, i like to hope it's the girl from GRIS

[small knot]

omg Gris,

[hushed steeple]

Maybe I was thinking of something I saw in Steven Universe? I’m going to think on it for a minute

[small knot]

shes so pretty 😔

[rigid mural]

YEAH HER

[hushed steeple]

it can’t be the wayfarer, they don’t have arms. And the hoods all wrong

[small knot]

IKKKK 😭 SHES PRETTY
cring and gaging.

man- she’s so elegant 😔

[hushed steeple]

what is Gris

[small knot]

a Game that got multiple awards worldwide, it has a lot of Lore i haven’t played the game tho

but it has a lot of symbolism

[hushed steeple]

whats it about?

[small knot]

dreamstate or sum idk 😭, but she sings

i haven’t seen her story

her story

[hushed steeple]

I’ll have to check it out

[frigid tinsel]

apparently the Gris community is very protective of spoilers fearing they'll "ruin players' first time experience" so keep that in mind

[small knot]

powerful ain’t it, 😭 —- dang i was about to explain the picture, lmao kind of like Sky when my friend say

“oh whats Sky? I love sky! sky is so happy^^”

me: “ahaha- theres a lot more than than but i’ll leave it for you to figure it out soon“

[raw crypt]

Honestly i cant explain it better than the given desc “Gris is a hopeful young girl lost in her own world, dealing with a painful experience in her life. Her journey through sorrow is manifested in her dress, which grants new abilities to better navigate her faded reality.”

its on sale on steam rn but of the summer sale, personally i could see the figure as her, but also i think it could just be someone like the skater GNFHDMFBF

[small knot]

YEAAAAAAAA 😭

IM CRYING 😿

[hushed steeple]

The figure from the mural makes me think of a game that I never played, but had seen some glimpses as my sibling played it. I think it was called princess of the light or kingdom of the light or something. I’ll check it out later too.

[hushed steeple]

Thats a relatable situation.

[small knot]

so she is a Lady 😭, ong yes more female Spirits, go on my sisters!!

[small knot]

sorry 😔

[sharp lichen]

Nobody tell Korr

[hushed steeple]

Sky does not have gender. Everything in sky is A-gender, saying that a spirit is female is pretty wrong. I didn’t intend for this to sound harsh, sorry

[small knot]

omg go away stop- 😭 stop making fun of me

[small knot]

smh

whats this tho, looks like a very big gigantic monstrous krill,, my friend said it looked like an island,

an “island”

[hushed steeple]

WHERE DID YOU SEE THIS……

[small knot]

somehwere 👀

sksksk

[frigid tinsel]

no seriously, devs have stated that there is no gender in Sky. all beings of Sky are agender. while some characters may appear masculine or feminine, those are characteristics we, from a heavily gendered world, ascribe or place onto them. the beings of Sky themselves, having no concept of gender, would not describe themselves no their appearances as male or female. they're just bodies, hair, or clothing to them

[small knot]

elder spirits and sky kids do not have ears 😔

[frigid tinsel]

did you complete the Abyss quests yet?

[hushed steeple]

i can only assume it was taken at the treasure reef.

[small knot]

maybe 🤔, thas a secret 😭😂 lmao

i want y’all to find it so y’all can have that “WOAH I FOUND SOMETHING”

feeling 😌

[hushed steeple]

If you don’t work with us on this sort of stuff we can’t solve the lore.

[small knot]

this Lore, is upcoming 😔

[hushed steeple]

what does that even mean

[small knot]

hush ,, hidden spirit

[small knot]

has something to do with Eden ig 😔, or upcoming Season

that would be a big spoier im spoiling 😭, if this is- ☠️

[frigid tinsel]

mate, I'm asking if you know. cos if you don't know, then there's a way in game you can figure it out. if you do know but you're just not telling us, then it's rude to just dangle stuff like this. if you do know and it's unreleased Beta content, then you're not allowed to discuss this at all and would have to delete your posts.

[hushed steeple]

I have a few ideas of what it could be. But the leviathan is a mystery to me

[small knot]

man , i don’t have beta

[hushed steeple]

Tell me where you saw it and I’ll try to take a look later.

[raw crypt]

Iirc the devs put the leviathan model far away but for some reason recently moved closer or got more visible in the update hence the ‘island’, tho tabling got patched so we can’t visit them 😔

and most areas have a bright star like that, might be a loading thing like a lot of areas having a medi circle

[small knot]

treasure reef off in the distance i met some sky kids who also don’t know what that thing is

[frigid tinsel]

it's the leviathan

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I thought it might be the smaller leviathan.

[hushed steeple]

medidation circles are white though, this is definitely a spirit glow.

[small knot]

whats a leviathan 😭,, also it looks like the skeleton lying on the ground from the forest

there is also this glowing thing under it,

[raw crypt]

I meant like, most areas have assets out in oobs, one of them being a star that glows, I was just comparing it to a medi circle since those are common oob assets ^^

[hushed steeple]

A leviathan is a giant sea creature. Whales are leviathans. And to know which leviathan it is you’d have to do the abyss quests

[raw crypt]

big boy

[small knot]

i did all the abyss quests lmao, i just called that black creature a black whale cause i all call them whales 😔, even the mantas, i also call them whales 😭

[hushed steeple]

and there is a bigger one below it.
Incase you think I’m saying that because I think you don’t know. I know you know I just felt it necessary to mention it.

[small knot]

i need to go there again, i looks like a tuna fish tbh ☠️

or a pirana fish- or an eel

[hushed steeple]

But with the shell of a crustacean and satanic goat horns.

[small knot]

frrrr

[frigid tinsel]

there are a ton of names for that creature, but most of the time, when people speak of the leviathan, they mean the huge many-eyed creature in the Abyss area

[hushed steeple]

But there are two of those, how do we differentiate.

[small knot]

what- theres two??? THERES TwWO?!

[frigid tinsel]

there is only one. the one korr is talking about is just a spare model but the same as the Abyss creature

[small knot]

the one i found in the distance yea i think

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's the spare model of the leviathan. it doesn't do anything

[hushed steeple]

We have the one that escaped an enclosure, and the much much bigger one in the massive abyss hole with horns on its head.

[small knot]

then whats that glowing thing under it 😭

[hushed steeple]

nothing for now.

[frigid tinsel]

wdym? there's only one leviathan – the one at Treasure Reef. it's the same one that was released in the fourth quest and ate us in the fifth quest.
the one korr has pics of is just a spare model in an OOB – it doesn't do anything but it is the same as the one in Treasure Reef.

[small knot]

for now 👀 👀

[hushed steeple]

Which way did the leviathan go when it escaped? I think it went up. And also TGC clearly wants us to know about the one in the distance if they moved it closer. Also the one we released didn’t have horns and had a much smaller mouth.

[raw crypt]

tgc sucks at hiding their assets, iirc it went down into the abyss

[frigid tinsel]

you can see the leviathan go down in the fourth quest cutscene when it's released

[hushed steeple]

oh, my memory is foggy.

[spark cairn]

Do you think these two are the same person?

[small knot]

closer pictures of the, top and bottom(under the water),,

for closer inspection

[spark cairn]

I see the no reaction. How come?

[small knot]

oh i didn’t realise thats the mouth, i thought that looks like the krill snout

[hushed steeple]

absolutely not.

[small knot]

different features i think,

[spark cairn]

Who do you think they are than?

[hushed steeple]

I checked the fourth quest and the answers I have recieved are that I am still awful with remembering things, and that TGC decided to have the leviathan modle be smaller in its enclosure.

[hushed steeple]

Others have said it could be the girl from Gris, I have a thought it might be a character from another game. But generally we don’t know.

[frigid tinsel]

1. tebkanlo took a really good pic of the leviathan underwater.
2. Chesca's pic of the leviathan's front/head

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat! I present to you a Performance Theory! We know the Performance Guide is related to the Rythmn guide. They have the same owl hair and both are entratainers. The contrast is that Performance stayed in the village of dreams and wears more elaborate outfit than Rythmn. However their shared similarity which is the hair is shared with the Flight Guide. There we can also draw the connection between Flight and Rythmn both connected with the theme of flight and both have birds. My theory is that they come from the same family, one with a connection to the elders as we see performance with his twin belonging to valley and flight being an elders apprentice. My theory based on this info is that Flight took on a role in helping the elders maintain balance in via the flight paths mean whilst performance and rhythm chased their acting careers. When eden exploded Rythmn (decided to gather his troupe to help, greeting performer the thoughtful director in the vault seeing the graves) and abandoned his sibling, leaving performance alone. Later when the realms succumbed both brothers were separated and baring a bitter grudge.

[pastel brook]

🛏️

[small knot]

ah i messed it up, i didn’t put the right-

well anyways ☠️

[wanton robin]

Does anyone know if or where videos with the devs q&a or other things exist?

[small knot]

omg pretty 😔

[frigid tinsel]

most are on TGC's Youtube Channel

[hushed steeple]

The flight guide doesn’t have a feather hairstyle, they have decorative feathers in their hair. And all valley seasons have bird themed cosmetics.

[small knot]

those were its horns- i thought that was the open mouth

[hushed steeple]

This shows the clear contrast in size. I don’t know what happened between quest 4 and 5.

[spark cairn]

Shrink ray

[hushed steeple]

More like a growth spurt.

[spark cairn]

Shrink ray has undo button

[small knot]

its growing 😔

[frigid tinsel]

there is no "clear" contrast in size. one image is from the front, wherein the rest of its body could be blocked off by the head.

[spark cairn]

Shrink em at first, then undo it after

[small knot]

kill spawn

[hushed steeple]

but the first picture is a lot farther from the leviathan than the second picture.

[small knot]

goated 😔

[keen shore]

headcanon that the leviathan feels slimy to the touch, because its outer skin is covered by a layer of the wasteland goop/or that it decomposed into that goop

[hushed steeple]

Let me provide some pictures I took right next to the leviathan in the abyss hole.

[frigid tinsel]

so you agree that difference in perspective of the pictures makes it difficult to accurately determine and compare & contrast the true size?

[small knot]

your pfp looks like a furby 😭

[small knot]

its so cute

[hushed steeple]

How did you get that assumption from my examination that the first picture is farther from the leviathan than the second picture. I am an artist and know how perspectives work.

[keen shore]

that’s… kinda rude, I drew it myself of one of my oc’s

[little pebble]

wait a second... there is 2 of them?

[frigid tinsel]

I am not basing anything off of your assumption. you said that the pictures show a "clear" difference in size when I am pointing out reasons that they don't. I disagreed with your assumption and provided evidence to the contrary. also don't assume that I don't know how perspectives work and imply that your judgement is better than mine.

[hushed steeple]

no, my memory was bad and I got confused

[little pebble]

lol, so there is only one big wish

[frigid tinsel]

btw you don't need to @ reply to people who are present in the conversation. I am here in the channel. I do not need to be pinged

[hushed steeple]

and now you’re calling my examination of size an “assumption”. And you haven’t given me a single reason or piece of evidence that backs up your claim. Why are we even arguing over whether or not there is perspective. I am literally an artist who has worked with perspective there is no denying the fact that the leviathan is bigger in one image than in the other.

[lyric isle]

offtopic but referring to an earlier conversation I feel like the only person who considers Director a third sibling/relative as opposed to Flight QG

[polar forge]

I don't have wooly manta sticker anymore but
"Woo"

[lyric isle]

………..oh no what’s going on

[white junco]

just got here but is the argument that the spare asset is a different leviathan? bc that is literally an out-of-bounds spare asset that’s existence should not be taken like this in lore

[hushed steeple]

We’re passed that, now I’m trying to convince Alasdair that the leviathan in the abyss hole is bigger than when it was in its enclosure. Or just that there was a clear perspective difference between two pictures.

[keen shore]

Are we talking about these pictures? Because yeah, as an artist, I agree with Alasdair, this is a perspective difference. In the second, most of the leviathan’s body is also not visible because it fades into the shadows; this is a common art technique to show perspective in dark places - especially underwater

[lyric isle]

I assume it’s an argument of size

[white junco]

well i’m not an artist but i am really good at seeing and yeah it looks like a perspective thing

[frigid tinsel]

you are either deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying or you have poor reading comprehension. do not act like you have superior judgement, artist or not, or whether I am a not an artist or have no understanding of visual elements. besides, I was the one who brought up that the size difference of the leviathan between the two pictures cannot be accurately judged because of perspective. you are now claiming my own reading as your own and slandering me in the meanwhile. again, you are either deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying or you have poor reading comprehension. I recommend you figure out either before replying to me again.

[keen shore]

also keep in mind that perspective can REALLY mess with size, especially when you’re talking about foreshortening, which is what’s pretty obviously happening in the second picture. Foreshortening is basically an art technique used to show extreme perspective, where the proportions vary a lot from what’s already visible. In this case the perspective is from the head, and since the leviathan is so long, the head is larger while the body seems to shrink away and be disproportionately thin.

These are the same leviathan.

[hushed steeple]

I agree that there is a perspective difference. But I’m also saying that theze different view points of the leviathan show that the leviathan is bigger in the first picture than the second.

[rigid mural]

i dont really wanna argue rn tbh but i just wanna give my two cents and ask if any of you guys are sure you wanna die on that hill

[hushed steeple]

WHAT IS HAPPENING AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Everything is getting mixed up to a slightly stressful degree, I need a break.

[frigid tinsel]

I take offense to my judgement being slandered.

[keen shore]

Just putting my perspective in as well as an artist, dw about it — I thought it was weird that foreshortening hadn’t been mentioned yet, even though it was pretty importsnt

[small knot]

it looks a dolphin but with horns

wjat/—
??? what the heck is happening?
my relpy os late

[lyric isle]

idk what’s going on but this is more entertaining in a way than getting worried about hypothetical LP TSes making theories go wonky

[white junco]

i think ultimately even if the models are different sizes (which it seems excessive to argue about) then it’s probably just tgc messing around with size to make the leviathan look larger & farther away in the tank

[keen shore]

I don’t really get why one looks smaller than the other, they look the same size to me tbh - even without considering perspective

[small knot]

cryying ,

[rigid mural]

I agree with Salem and Alasdair that it's just perspective, the camera ingame is notoriously unable to stay still and you can even see the Skykids on these two pictures arent even the same size.
Not to mention zooming in or out doesn't make some stuff farther away in the background bigger or smaller.

[lyric isle]

yeah prob perspective

[rigid mural]

I just think it's a really dumb thing to argue about tbh

[keen shore]

vol this is off topic but your name change in the middle of the convo made me giggle

[white junco]

just reminded me that shattering is in 6 days

[eternal totem]

Hold on, are you saying that OOB Leviathan is smaller? Not sure I follow

[rigid mural]

TLP is gonna be 1yr old this week 💙

[lyric isle]

IT WHAT

[lyric isle]

I’m physically shattered (very long day of doing stuff for a library. also tired) but realised the pun

[white junco]

i’m running at high speeds to your location. you can’t do this to me

[raw crypt]

happy birthday

[keen shore]

how does it feel to be old guys, I would never know

[lyric isle]

the created ancestors have been seen by the public a year ago

[white junco]

oh that’s right after my birthday

[raw crypt]

i joined two hours ago

[frigid tinsel]

shush

[lyric isle]

I have no idea what my headcanons are anymore but the gang deserve release from containment for season birthday

(they are created in my headcanons)

[white junco]

i’m taking Fruit to mcdonald’s

[lyric isle]

I am going to see Geographer and ask about light magic

I’m gonna visit all of them on anniv

[white junco]

oh damn i forgot to finish my tlp fic before pride month ended. i’m sorry lgbt community

[rigid mural]

the stars are aligning for a TLP TS but I am crossing my fingers and toes for an inexxpensive TS like Shush

[lyric isle]

not just me with the premonition huh

listen I know Ash’s hints aren’t canon but they will make me have a terrible headcanon crisis

[eternal totem]

Ash’s hints are definitely canon

[rigid mural]

Ash's hints should be taken as AU imo, in-character but some definitely aren't feasible in canon.

[keen shore]

the fursona hints are always canon

[eternal totem]

Takes the “afraid of storms” hint & runs

[rigid mural]

the fursona hints are always canon

[lyric isle]

YEAHH (to the three above)

[keen shore]

OH GOD YEAH THAT HINT …. oh that reminds me do you guys want to hear the red light headcanon I realized a few days ago. Warning because it’s just as much of a gut punch as that hint is

[raw crypt]

would not mind a tlp ts bc rainbow took me out but also shsuh shush come home ur sooo cheap and awesome aha

[white junco]

yessss

[lyric isle]

ok ok ok just to prepare in case

what do you lot think the LP gang are and why they’re the way they are

[small knot]

what’s happening now

[raw crypt]

they r just guys to me

[white junco]

mental illness

[eternal totem]

The Boys

[rigid mural]

remember when this week's TS was bread

[small knot]

OKAY LMAO

[raw crypt]

KITTY CAT KITTY BABY KITTY CAT

[keen shore]

I WAS TYPING OUT THEORY BUT OMG KITTY CAT MORE IMPORTSNT

[small knot]

[hushed steeple]

I’ve theorized that they are spirits from a failed project that was meant to preserve the ancestors from the enevitable doom looming on the horizon. They were meant to be protected in a loud dome with the purple light being used as a way to create the illusion that they are outside. The purple light ended up corrupting everyones mind and they all went insane and eventually died after being trapped in their greatest flaws for too long.(Flaws not in a derigatory way but as in the negative aspect of a personality. Everyone has those)

[small knot]

i love purple such a pretty colour

[frigid tinsel]

Pioneer kitty, bless

[lyric isle]

also I know that mechanics do not need to be canon but a world lives in my head where TS reveals are announced live

how would the LP gang even get to Home

[sharp lichen]

Chesca???? That’s a jumpscare

@lyric isle I think the LP gang were put into the Starlight Desert to work there near the later parts of the Sky kingdom. They developed their personalities to try to distract their mind from the apocalypse

[keen shore]

I have mixed feelings on tlp theories because I REALLY like the one theory of them being elder caricatures!! It fits so well and makes a lot of sense!! Plus it’s cool theory evidence!

But… I will be honest… it’s a 50/50 because so many of them feel vaguely or outright ableist to some degree… like they play heavily into the whole mental illness scary concept. There was a theory about starlight desert being an asylum a while ago that I outright hated

[frigid tinsel]

if they didn't ascend, perhaps a skykid could just drag them through the Vault to the Home portal

[sharp lichen]

Starlight Desert doesn’t make sense as an asylum. I think it’s just an undeveloped piece of land next to Vault

[raw crypt]

thats me im dragging thwm home, were getting soft tacos

[small knot]

oh yea whats that flying sky kingdom when you complete ||Eye of Eden||, where you pass through from the sky,

got detached from the ground

[hushed steeple]

Sorry about that theory. I dunno what I was thinking then but I wasn’t intentionally meaning to be ableist.

[small knot]

omg i love starlight desert 🏜, so pretty i love dark colours

(im so unrelated LMAOOO 😭)

[lyric isle]

uh for me

they are technically real ancestors but made as an attempt to create life from scratch and, say, purple light, to serve certain purposes - the desert is a big experiment site is why it’s so inconsistent

but trouble is the methods used aren’t stable. they eventually gradually lost essence of being well-rounded believable people and got corrupted - they are technically ancestors, just very…fragmented ones
and the experiment got abandoned once beyond repair

the way the little prince sees them is when it got really bad

[keen shore]

Anyways here is my red light theory that I keep getting distracted from posting!

ok so you know how the red light is in two places? Shipwreck and ark?

so me and friends were reliving crab whisperers memory and I was thinking. They keep looking around the shipwreck & praying, as if they’re looking for survivors… so I ended up thinking, hey maybe this is their job as a lightseeker. They look around disaster places and try to save whoever they can, but were obviously too late this time. I think it was hinted vaguely in lightseeker concept art that they do that, especially the wasteland one, and this was probably a continuation of that.

So then I looked at the red light, and I remembered my theory about the enchantment crew’s souls imprinting on the lights after they absorbed them to survive… [I can explain this if necessary, but I think most have seen it already], and then I realized… what if the red light being in shipwreck is muralist asking their friend for help…

[sharp lichen]

All Seasonal Locations are really really good, there’s not a single one that’s bad

@small knot Don’t worry, we’re all unrelated

[small knot]

nice 😭 👍🏻

[keen shore]

It gets worse, because the murals of people catching light on the ark implies that the two groups are friends to some degree, and then I remembered the wasteland sapling quest is right next to the forgotten ark boat and I went 💔

[lyric isle]

OH NO

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT…

[small knot]

there a sapling quest?

[lyric isle]

wait wait wait wait wait wait wa

what if Nod painted the Lightseekers’ masks 👁️

[rigid mural]

realizing what the red light's presence means...

[keen shore]

Sitting in a puddle of tears after I accidentally make myself cry with my own theory

[hushed steeple]

The crab whisperer cries silent tears as they steal the age from the sapling.

[small knot]

died?

[lyric isle]

yes I am self-indulgently inserting my favourite into this I’m sorry

this theory is about them but

[keen shore]

Korr, how much of this game have you played? There’s a ton of spoilers in this channel, I would not recommend it for new players at all jsyk

[frigid tinsel]

red light lingers "where darkness prevails." I'd say getting shipwrecked in the heavily-polluted Wasteland and attacked by krill is where darkness prevails

[tranquil harbor]

Korr has been around lorechat before I think. A while ago if so

[small knot]

ive been in sky since the wait and release of the game then forgot about it, for like 4 years

[lyric isle]

I know I’ve said this already but Performance is what made me realise what red light does

[keen shore]

I know that this is probably the most canon reason, but both the fact that red light is present in 2 places and my never ending desire for spirit lore overtakes that

[small knot]

dead ikr ☠️, pogg behaviour

[small knot]

i think so, i don’t remember 😭 tbh

im re-learning 😌

[frigid tinsel]

I'm not against the idea that Nodding Muralist used red light like a message. going off the idea that light can be encoded with memories, it too would make sense for someone so tied to red light to utilize it to message others. honestly, I love that idea.

[lyric isle]

next season is going to have me very bored

tfw spirit fans living entirely off their own creations for the entire thing

[rigid mural]

tgc said no new blorbos :(

[lyric isle]

well

let’s appreciate all the blorbos we have! :D

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, rather than a shiny new spirit, we need more lore on spirits we already have

[frigid tinsel]

but there is a "Void of Shattering" we can apparently talk to. I want to blorbo the Void of Shattering, can't wait to meet them

[small knot]

NAWWW

[keen shore]

Yeah me neither!! Although a quick clarification, as cool as that take is, my idea was more along the lines of the red light being at least partially nodding muralists soul because after they absorbed it, the lines kinda blurred between the two. So after they died, they wandered around as the light. That is super weird now that I type it out but I guess given the way spirit cores work, it’s not impossible,

[lyric isle]

there is a joke I want to make here so badly but I need to wait for the ‘QG’ to be revealed to Live folk (retired tester who lurks moment)

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids connecting to nature so hard they officially chat with the void

[lyric isle]

actually no I think I can make it

[raw crypt]

summer seasons arent allowed basic qgs, sanct qg is the only normal onw

[lyric isle]

“Out of the 2022 seasonal guides, which are you?”

• Boat freak
• Crazy noot
• void noises
• The fi

[tranquil harbor]

Was Little Prince a summer season?

[small knot]

my first season was the first season Sky released when they introduced “Seasons”

early access gang

[frigid tinsel]

it launched in July.
arguably the season before that that took place partially in June is also a summer season, though it would be more aptly categorized as a spring season

[lyric isle]

so gratitude? or winter

[tranquil harbor]

I categorize seasons by when they start, personally
Or when most of their time takes place. If a season starts at the tail end of spring and spends 90% of its days in summer, I'd call it summer I suppose

[small knot]

i don’t remember 😭

[sharp lichen]

Does this make Abyss a winter season?

[small knot]

how many years has it been since i played sky, i was waiting since 2017, 2018 was the release of the game (i think, it’s so long ago i don’t even remember until i started playing since this year on May)

[tranquil harbor]

Abyss was like half way over when I joined sky. It's 100% winter

[lyric isle]

no idea how I’m gonna integrate a new fixation of mine (ADOFAI) into Sky stuff I make as the two are super different

but that’ll hold me over with lack of spirits

[small knot]

man im so lame 🫤,

[tranquil harbor]

What's ADOFAI short for?

[keen shore]

a bit off topic but the one thing I am wondering is what the other light locations would mean. like, I know there’s the whole lights gather in x place or whatever but I want to see if I can make a story out of it.

also new headcanon that the reason enchantment guide Knows these hints is bc they’re basing it off what their friends would do

[sharp lichen]

Wait that only means you’ve been in Sky for about 4 months-

[lyric isle]

a dance of fire and ice

[frigid tinsel]

Live Seasons
Gratitude: July–August 2019
Lightseekers: September–October 2019
Belonging: November–December 2019

Rhythm: January–March 2020
Enchantment: April–June 2020
Sanctuary: July–September 2020
Prophecy: October–December 2020

Dreams: January–March 2021
Assembly: April–June 2021
The Little Prince: July–September 2021
Flight: October–December 2021

Abyss: January–March 2022
Performance: April–June 2022
Shattering: July–??? 2022

[tranquil harbor]

6. I joined during Days of Love.

[small knot]

i missed out a lot omg 😭 LMAOO

[sharp lichen]

2021 seasons supremacy

[keen shore]

abyss and flight have to fight over which one is the Christmas season and many ridiculous shenanigans ensue

[tranquil harbor]

Shattering is July 10th, if the daily message thingy is to be believed

[lyric isle]

11th

[small knot]

OMG MY BIRTHDAY 😭

[raw crypt]

shattering be damned ive got art to fight

[tranquil harbor]

Christmas season is Belonging and both those other seasons know it

[rapid arrow]

I joined um right around gratitude for the first time then I go scared lol.
I might’ve joined before gratitude although I’m not sure

[frigid tinsel]

happy birthday! Eden is erupting and darkness rains down across the lands
enjoy your cake.

[small knot]

😭

[raw crypt]

tlp moths cabt catch a break

[lyric isle]

I hope my interest is only reaching a low point it can get back from as I don’t wanna drop the game entirely

will prob take it easy for Shattering due to lack of interest in it

[sharp lichen]

I see Gratitude, Lightseekers, Enchantment, Sanctuary, Assembly, TLP, and Performance as summer seasons and Belonging, Rhythm, Prophecy, Dreams, Flight, and Abyss as winter seasons

[small knot]

im dedicating myself to sky bc my dumn aah wasted 4 years

[keen shore]

I really hope they show how shattering affects the already existing spirits and elders, that would definitely make it go up a few tiers for me. Like, from what I’ve heard and seen, the effects CANT be good both mentally and physically

[lyric isle]

inb4 off-season qg jumpscare and I explode (coping with lack of spirit stuff )

[frigid tinsel]

<<TLP moth who didn't understand the adventure pass and season candles and only got one cape and a tie out of it.

[keen shore]

especially for the spirits thst already lived through the disaster, they would probably think it’s all happening again despite everyone’s efforts to clean up the world…

[small knot]

even with the new update sky made 😭, Eden is more difficult and agitating

[lyric isle]

I’m legit worried for Enchantment crew, this could be a terrible trigger for unwanted memories of the crash

listen I know they are fictional but please

[small knot]

[lyric isle]

please don’t spam emotes here (this isn’t spam but don’t too much)

[tranquil harbor]

The moth candle struggle is real
They never truly explain candles, so you end up not realizing how to see the amount you have. I was friending people and unlocking stuff like hug because 'oh, a button, is this what I'm supposed to do?' until I was out of candles. I didn't even realize I was using them

[keen shore]

OH NO… The whole idea of the guide dying first & watching their friends die and not being able to do anything… and now it looks like the exact same thing is happening but with the kids who saved them. Oh No

[small knot]

im not?? anyways

[frigid tinsel]

Salem, you calling me baby?you calling me baby, you old dino? /j

[lyric isle]

argh. had fanart idea

………….you know how my skykid is a jester

and the whole purpose of jesters

[frigid tinsel]

I suppose it's a question of why Eden is erupting and the mechanics of it. why did Eden start erupting now? did it ever erupt before when the ancestors were around? if so, why did it stop erupting? what triggered Eden now?

[keen shore]

if a spirit from the season you joined in hasn’t come yet as a ts, you are a moth btw

[lyric isle]

Nafis volunteering to be a somewhat regularish distraction from the crew having to relive their trauma

[keen shore]

YEAH i 100% want explanations for this as well. It feels so random, but that might be part of the devastation of it; as in, this entire time something like this was waiting to happen & we didn’t know. Even if we fix it it might happen again

[tranquil harbor]

Might be because of the sky kids messing with Eden. I think they release something when they get free, because they temporarily break the storm.
Alternatively (tho both can be true), the ancestors/elders sealing the storm is still a thing right? The kids keep opening the Eden door, possibly weakening the seal/letting stuff out until it can erupt

[keen shore]

this is only tangentially related but I imagine that this is the same reason why crab walker was joking around and making people laugh in their memory

[sharp lichen]

We’ll have to wait and see until Shattering comes if we want to know

[lyric isle]

my biggest biggest most enormous fear for the season is hypothetically not being able to relax in this game

[keen shore]

oh true. i do want the eruptions to feel dangerous to some extent but I’d hate for them to be all consuming stress wise… like it’s all you can focus on

[lyric isle]

say. I wanna go to Ark to chill but stuff happens there and it ruins that

ok but I legit want an off-season qg jumpscare or the sort in the season to make it less worrying gah

[trim yoke]

As a tester, we're unsure how they'll work in live and also I can say it only occurs in the dailies realm so don't worry so much Vol

[nimble ingot]

Based on the new mechanic that shows us any skykid in trouble.
I predict a lot of players would either be scrambling to help each other, get into trouble themselves, and others picking up the habit of going home to avoid the hassle of getting light.

While players helping each other is a great idea. In practice, it tends to end up either working as intended, or players not wanting to help, or the server lets you suffer alone.

[lyric isle]

sorry for mentioning them again but I’m losing any fragment of hope of them ever returning tbh

but I wanna see them again someday

“they’ll return if they’re needed”

[keen shore]

I hope they are training to become a therapist, We Need One please send help for everyone in this world ty

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think that, in-universe, skykids have innate compassion for each other and would instinctively go to help a fellow peer in need. few would ditch another skykid to suffer. that's why they go to Eden – despite knowing they'll die, they go to save their fellow skids and are assured in the fact that another will rescue them in turn.

[trim yoke]

The whole purpose of shattering is to make us all work together as a team rather than leaving eachother to die by crabs/krills etc, to rely on one another

Vol, please try control yourself around old QG, do I need to spam you photos i have again? Please don't go on a rampage and get super upset again

[lyric isle]

idk it’s probably brain switching to that topic as deflection?

@keen shore tfw you’re a therapist for those who missed you too severely /lh

like. I don’t wanna be forced nor for everyone to be forced to cooperate though……….

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, someone ignoring you to keep on doing that they were doing is a big fear of mine. Some people in the fanbase man.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids unionize and one of the terms they bring to Megabird is to spit out the therapist spirits for them

[keen shore]

I totally get what you mean vol. it’s like the assembly quests where I want to help and so I do, not doing so gives me tons of social anxiety at the same time because I am mostly around strangers and it’s aughhhjhhhhhhhhh

Thankfully I can do it with friends now, but that feeling is VERY familiar

[trim yoke]

The dark shards mentioned are the simple shards that aren't an issue at all and can be done without additional help, but the corrupted crimson shards are the ones where we all need to cooperate, because we all need to work for the same goal, and yes some are Abel to be done solo, but plenty require work, I won't say much more because I'll end up spilling beta stuff and y'all would probably get annoyed for sayin too much

[lyric isle]

i still miss them and i’m getting used to them not being there but i don’t wanna consider it normal if that makes sense

i don’t want us to forget them

[trim yoke]

Volllllll, go take a drink okay? Did you eat? Go grab a snack, just don't get yourself worked up too much, k?

[lyric isle]

too emotionless from tired to really Be upset but I shall

[trim yoke]

Vol, imma spam you old QG photos to calm you a bit, gimme a while, we're going through 14.3k photos here okay

[rapid arrow]

This seasons way of team work is kinda like how sometimes skykids team up to help with getting those really tough spirits (cough cough, grump)

[slim plume]

I'm not even a beta player but I got so anxious from my friends that I spoiled myself for the upcoming season to be prepared (it wasn't as bad as my friends made it out to be but it looked like it was gonna be... challenging. And not in the fun way) 🏚️

[tranquil harbor]

I'm mostly worried about event timing. Last I heard (admittedly a while ago), the thing happened every 30 minutes. Which is frankly way too much. (though I like to think that was simply for testing convenience)

[frigid tinsel]

tbh this game hasn't had any proper challenges since Prophecy Trials dropped. now with Eden as it is and upcoming Shattering events, I'm excited. bring on the challenge

[slim plume]

It was for testing convenience! I'm not sure if the new time was announced already but they said it'd be frequent and mellow out over the season's time periods

[lyric isle]

i feel mean saying this but imo beta gen is often prone to ridiculously overly pessimistic outlook but i easily get caught up in catastrophising so i’m glad i quit

[trim yoke]

Testers complained due to older builds, the older eden being impossible, shards not working as intended (eg. Shards in Starlight boat would often bug out for over 30 mins straight)
@tranquil harbor that was true for beta, we are unsure how they'll work in live.... YET

[frigid tinsel]

I heard it was for testing purposes, so the events are likely not gonna be that frequent in Live

[lyric isle]

i hope they’re relatively rare-ish

not a sorta time that makes you dread waiting for it before and after

[trim yoke]

They are supposed to start frequently at the first few weeks at high intensity and decrease... HOWEVER, they will only appear in the realm of the dailies, ANDDDDD we also have NO IDEA of live rotations, BUT there are multiple areas per realm, plenty being the crimson, but others being the duller (now navy blue) shards

[lyric isle]

that’s a positive point! I like that

[nimble ingot]

Frankly, while it is still a new feature and players are just now getting used to it.

I would also be hesitant to leap after skykids in trouble after getting blindsided and out of light myself.
Trying to help someone and ending up needing help yourself is not an ideal situation.

Especially where you all just stand there like dummies, praying for a miracle.

[lyric isle]

yeah but what if ark rainbow and scare relive but event is in ark and ruins the happiness of it

[trim yoke]

The shard isn't close to the scarecrow, I showed you already -

[nimble ingot]

Come to think of it, why can't friends give each other hugs when they are out of light?
we can do it to that one light kid (sky prince/king), why not a friend?

Sure, a stranger would be out of luck, but 60% of skykid packs out of light would likely be friends.

[lyric isle]

oh yeah i remember

[frigid tinsel]

yea there have been blokes bashing on the update the very same day it dropped, just, cmon, give it a try first. also things get easier overtime as you practice more. if it's hard now and you give up, you never have the chance to defeat it and get better at it.

how else would anyone beat Celeste or Hollow Knight?

[keen shore]

I forever suffer from the curse of wanting challenges in games, and then they happen and I end up being awful at them

[lyric isle]

i’m concerned for super new people though

this game is promoted as a chill one but

[tranquil harbor]

You can help someone without rushing in like a fool. But I know there are gonna be people who see others unlit and struggling, make eye contact, and then proceed to the next area, leaving that person to their fate. And frankly, I'm not going to let people pretend that's okay.

[keen shore]

RIP season of shattering moths…

[frigid tinsel]

Gonna drop this real quick

[slim plume]

I'm also worried about kids who play the game (y'know, people under 10-ish). SoS would be HELL

[rigid mural]

SoS moths... fitting acronym

[sharp lichen]

I remember how Prophecy was widely bashed when it first came out, and now reception to it (thankfully) has gotten much better with time

[lyric isle]

thinking about this triggering the spirits of mine that died from falling down the side of a mountain

[rigid mural]

Game has a 15+ rating due to the IAPs afaik, I feel like kids this young aren't meant to play Sky.

[nimble ingot]

The call being nerfed made suddenly a ton of sense in the final area of eden.

I would chalk that up to reckless vets in Eden for the game including a limp feature and tougher eden rocks.
As if they did not learn their lesson the first time. How dare they have so much winged light, that they can tank their way through Eden and walk right up to the crystal like it was nothing.

Spam honking even as a sprite prior to this update was in fact a way to help charge up living skykids.
Even some emotes that have a sparkle effect were able to create strange patterns that follow skykids around.

I can't help but think that any update to Eden would 9/10 have come from the shenanigans of Veterans with their hoard of wl.

[lyric isle]

I loved Prophecy at the time

[slim plume]

Ah, fair. But the challenges would still exist for those who aren't exactly the adaptive/learn-everything-in-a-short-amount-of-time type

[frigid tinsel]

Okay I made one more relevant

[keen shore]

Sky often gets categorized as a kids game and I don’t get it, because it really isn’t to me. I know I am biased bc I obviously am a member of this chat so picking the game apart is my thing, but I swear, every few hours there’s a discussion here about someone dying horribly and us crying about it

[rigid mural]

Yeah, I will probably ahve a hard time myself, though I feel like true to Sky's intended way of playing, it will get much easier with friends.

[slim plume]

I guess that could be overcome with having friends who can complete the challenges with you, but what about lone wanderer players

[keen shore]

it’s really hard to reconcile “Sky is a kids game” and any discussion about enchantment, or wasteland in general tbh

[tranquil harbor]

Kids aren't stupid. They're humans, and death is a thing they can understand.

[frigid tinsel]

Blokes see brightly colored animation and call it a “kids cartoon” and take their children into a rated R movie. Critical thinking is not a high bar for those duffers

[slim plume]

Then again, at their age it's probably best left until double digits

[nimble ingot]

By that same token, games that are about cats, would imply the players are in fact cats.
Or worse, games about endless wars and strange character constantly competing to thwart monsters, imply that its players are warmongering maniacs.

[frigid tinsel]

Not really. There are ways to talk about tough topics with kids. Besides, you don’t know whether they are dealing with such subjects in real life. Surely they’d be able to consume media to understand what they’re going through in an easier-to-digest and controlled way?

[sharp lichen]

Right now, Sky is rated 9+ for “Infrequent/Mild Horror/Fear themes”

[tranquil harbor]

The kinds of kids probably playing sky are around 10. My 6-year-old Nephew regularly watches weird content about unsavory topics. Sky is probably better for him than what he usually watches (I'd say, but I don't wanna hit the censor by accident)

[frigid tinsel]

There are some teenagers who play Sky but have the maturity of an 8yo

[nimble ingot]

Kids are humans trying to figure out the tutorial, while veterans try to help them get to level 18-21 and have the best stats along the way.

[slim plume]

To be fair I watched Skyrim when I was like, three and didn't even bat an eye so

[rigid mural]

it's not because your aunt doesn't pay attention to what your nephew watches that it's normal

[nimble ingot]

True,
you might not have the same impression when running into a ghost or zombie in Oblivion.

[tranquil harbor]

???

[frigid tinsel]

Your nephew shouldn’t be watching Elsagate vids

[rigid mural]

please tell me your aunt isnt showing adult stuff to your nephew on purpose.

[keen shore]

Like, yeah I know kids can understand deaths, but the lore we talk about can get so depressing at times that I don’t think it was necessarily made with them in mind if that makes sense, especially with more complex bits. Like. I understood death when I was a kid and obviously consumed media with it in it. But I never hit me as hard as it does now, so looking back I felt like I was missing out on the experience

[sharp lichen]

The problem is that this channel is only a small part of the Sky playerbase. The vast majority of children who play Sky will see Eden and nothing else. Most Sky players, let alone children, don’t care about the lore, as difficult as that is to say

[tranquil harbor]

Wha? I'm the aunt. I see what he watches, straight up told his mom and our moms, and since 'I'm not his mother so stay out of it'. Like, I know he shouldn't be watching this stuff. But I don't get a say

[keen shore]

Like my attitude towards death as a kid was more like “oh yeah whatever” or even “I am In an edgy phase so I want it Everywhere,” not sadness and feeling gut punched by it, and I feel like the second is what Sky is going for. Idk if this is a general kid rule or if I was just weird though

[rigid mural]

got my english mixed up, oops. still, that is not normal, i dont think you can use that as an example kids can engage with adult topics

[frigid tinsel]

The way I write about death now is a lot different than when I was an edgy teen

[lyric isle]

admittedly I don’t like being told how to feel

I’ve found music I find more fitting for Eden but update feels like a “this is how you must feel or else”

have not been to Eden for ages (as always) but h

[frigid tinsel]

Still a lot of death in my stories ngl

[tranquil harbor]

I said sky would probably be better for him, not that he should play sky. 6-year-olds should not be playing multiplayer games with chat without supervision tbh

[keen shore]

idk if sigil agrees with you here but I get your point

[rigid mural]

My 6-year-old Nephew regularly watches weird content about unsavory topics.
I'm not talking about Sky with what this implies when you say elaborating further would get your message deleted.

[frigid tinsel]

It’s more that young children will get their first exposure to such topics from unrestrained older people who could do them harm over the internet

[lyric isle]

idk why I get a funny very terrible feeling of dread when thinking about death - specifically what’s after it - but in the context of the spirits I’m very fascinated

[frigid tinsel]

I’d say the frequency has gone down. Context: I used to write Hunger Games fanfic.

[rigid mural]

Sky can be understood by kids yeah, but it doesn't make it a kids game. Like yeah, they probably don't look deep enough to fathom the darker implications in the vague story, but even outside the lore, you got in-app purchases, the constant need to grind for accessories and the general maturity a MMO requires you, that doesn't make it kid-friendly.

[lyric isle]

also not gonna go into it but

certain fandom subcultures that definitely aren’t appropriate need maturity to understand why they’re not such

[nimble ingot]

it is not necessarily the age, it is more about the behaviour.

A 100 year old person can still act like a 1 year old baby.
While a well behaved child can out do an belligerent adult.

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, Sky is a game where the majority of the NPCs are dead. One of the base game spirit memories depicts an ancestor dying. There is a mangled corpse in Crab Whisperer’s spirit memories. Don’t get me started on Tearful Light Miner

[sharp lichen]

“The constant need to grind for accessories” isn’t a necessary part of the main game. If we’re talking about the main experience from Isle to Eden, I think it’s kid friendly

[lyric isle]

it feels weird to say that spirits are my ‘favourite dead people’ but they are

[frigid tinsel]

Base-game constellations:

[rigid mural]

it's still an MMO

[sharp lichen]

That’s true, but there are still games like Minecraft that have chatting but are played by a younger audience

[rigid mural]

That doesn't mean it is aimed at that younger audience.

[tranquil harbor]

Isn't sky billed as a happy family thing? Community and sharing and all that?

[sharp lichen]

This is the first part of the App Store description, after all

[nimble ingot]

Family friendly yes.
Though that does not mean every single player would be a family oriented person per say. (As in, kids and adults can play the game together.)

[rigid mural]

man

[nimble ingot]

It is the difference between the old Pixar/Disney films that have adult jokes cleverly added in, while kids are none the wiser.
And, parents having to walk Dora the Explorer all day.

[lyric isle]

“there is no pressure” so why make these events within the season a thing

[frigid tinsel]

Minecraft is implementing a chat censor so players can’t say certain words. It’s really broken rn though. Currently you cannot say “night.”
I don’t agree with it but your point

[nimble ingot]

true

[tranquil harbor]

yet Pixar and Disney films are still have children as a target audience. 'Hey look, there is something deeper if you wanna look' doesn't mean it's not a kids game. We can't use death in the lore to say it's not a kids game

The hell did 'night' do???

[lyric isle]

me getting censored for merely using but in a sentence

[frigid tinsel]

First three letters

[lyric isle]

seriously……

that’s too far. if it were Just said letters I’d get it but

[frigid tinsel]

It’s bad

[tranquil harbor]

It gets shortened now? Or is minecraft chat censor just overzealous?

[sharp lichen]

Even still, in Minecraft your chat goes through everyone in the server. In Sky, chat is incredibly limited, and tables are voluntary

[lyric isle]

hi I’m tables

[frigid tinsel]

The latter

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, there are no creatures that have venom in Sky.

[frigid tinsel]

For now

[nimble ingot]

of course.
Encanto, family struggles and an oppressive grandma.
Lion King, a kid accidently had their father killed.
Coco, a kid stealing from the dead and learning about his family history from said dead and playing music to their senile elder.
Toy story, Sid's bedroom toys has questionable implications that kids would never catch until they are older.

"Children as a target audience"
More like, "make kids want to beg their parents buy monopolised merchandise"

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to lorechat

[frigid tinsel]

Then why are you here? I find this place rather pleasant most of the time

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit Use this to get familiarized with Sky lore.

[tranquil harbor]

-chugs soda- Don't feed the troll

[nimble ingot]

just give it a few more days.

[lyric isle]

dw I suspected

[sharp lichen]

Most of the time we’re not serious

[tranquil harbor]

Baud is that doc actually done or did you jump the gun again despite getting scolded?

[lyric isle]

spirit fans gonna be living off solely their own food they made good luck everyone

[nimble ingot]

It is not the appropriate channel for that, perhaps general chat my friend

[frigid tinsel]

You can just leave. No one is locking your Discord app to this channel

[sharp lichen]

The former, don’t worry it’s all completed. I’m still on the fence if we should make another one about the King and Eden

[tranquil harbor]

Guys, this dude has shown up in lorechat multiple times with off topic nonsense. They're just a troll. Ignore them.

[sharp lichen]

What’s your opinions on Sunglasses in Sky?

[nimble ingot]

Please do not disrupt this channel. This is lore chat, not a place to annoy other users.

[sharp lichen]

Wow, that krilled the chat

[pastel brook]

#lore-discussion-spoilers definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[frigid tinsel]

“I got unmuted for a reason!” gets muted again

[lyric isle]

skybot now is not the time

[tranquil harbor]

SkyBot it's only about 4 pm here. I do not need sleep right now.

[sharp lichen]

Skybot always deserves to be bullied

[nimble ingot]

Shall we get back to the lore?

[tranquil harbor]

Anyone got anything fun they've been sitting on?

[lyric isle]

yes please

[sharp lichen]

In one afternoon, we’ve done lore, discussion, AND spoilers

[tranquil harbor]

Lorechat is very productive today

[rigid mural]

I think the rose questgiver from TLP has a glowy spot underneath because it's an hologram from a memory cube hidden beneath the sand :]

[lyric isle]

[laugh track] [sitcom theme tune transition jingle]

[nimble ingot]

aside from D&D and university level philosophy corrupting my mind, nah.

[lyric isle]

apart from the positive obsession over 11-x in adofai but that’s completely irrelevant

[frigid tinsel]

Have some stormlock structures I noticed

[rigid mural]

OOOH YEAH -eats these-

[tranquil harbor]

Diamond symbolism our beloved. Better than squares

[lyric isle]

eden lore doesn’t really interest me

but Diamonds

[frigid tinsel]

Also this lad’s got a face

[raw crypt]

cube

also god this screenshots old as dirt its mot even a screenshot and its beta takoron

[nimble ingot]

ooh wait, I wanted to ask about something from Prophecy.
What are the odds that the statues we meditate at, are animal spirit shrines.
As in, they are a primitive version of the humanoid prayer shrines that we light along the path leading through the Eden PNR tunnel?

[rigid mural]

dinner with the gaslight girlboss gatekeep flower

[tranquil harbor]

Season of Shattering just wants to talk to you. Just a little. (No, but I actually haven't spoiled myself on the story so I dunno if it'll have eden lore)

[sharp lichen]

Never tell me the odds! For me, all Prophecy theories are canon.

[lyric isle]

diamonds are The spirit symbol which means Friend

[nimble ingot]

true that we dont have bat spirits.

Although, the Lion, turtle and Spider have in concept art.

[tranquil harbor]

The day sky introduces spider enemies is the day I quit /lh

[lyric isle]

spider dance blasting from the distance

earth prophet is partying

[tranquil harbor]

Prophecy Guide/skids open the trial door. The music stops like it was never there. Earth Prophet is standing there calmly. The music resumes when the door closes.

[sharp lichen]

The Prophets are the four horses of the apocalypse.

The Earth Prophet has all four horses, the others just tag along

[tranquil harbor]

Prophecy Guide is the one who drives them around tho

[nimble ingot]

concept art to reference

[tranquil harbor]

Ah yes, the boss battle elders
Except for turtle

[sharp lichen]

Fire Prophet suggested the idea in the first place, but now they’re not so sure

[lyric isle]

man I feel tired

sorry for getting panicky. fine now

[keen shore]

Barely holding myself back from making the joke rn

[lyric isle]

what joke

[keen shore]

my clothes don’t have diamonds on them bc I’m not basic

[frigid tinsel]

Polyamory

[keen shore]

thank you for your service

[trim yoke]

Sky bot, you know that's as bad as telling Gen chat to shut up for more than 10 mins, it won't happen

[trim yoke]

Probably is tbh, going off the fact that Prophecy spirits seem to have mamal masks on like some sorta early evolution humans wearing animal headgear

[tough coral]

Heyyy could someone send me the rest of the elder boss battle concept art? Im trying to prove a point to my friends

[nimble ingot]

one monent

[tough coral]

Wait wait holy guacamole that middle concept art for the wasteland elder has modern objects. Thats a tv. And a bike. And a cable

[nimble ingot]

In Light Awaits, Vault was once called Night, and was the modern day city.
Since Wasteland was so close, perhaps back when this concept was a thing and the elders were still in the animal stages. The Wasteland might have had junk from the Night city.

[tough coral]

Thank you!!!

[keen shore]

forest lynx always makes me smile

I want to scratch them on the chin

[frigid tinsel]

Obligatory Forest Elder is a furry

[waxen quest]

Hmm

if sky creatures or whatever the name is I forgot are animals of the sky world are there fursonas based on krills

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps

[keen shore]

yes and baffled botanist has one

[waxen quest]

😳

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to lorechat

[waxen quest]

Hello Mr Unagamis Dad

[limpid seal]

no clue if this is lore or even something that's happened or im just imagining it but had the water gone down on forest?

[waxen quest]

I mean it's always raining there

[sharp lichen]

Hello Ninjago fan

@limpid seal Throughout the game’s history? No, the water level of Forest hasn’t changed.

[slim plume]

Masculine urge to put cat ears on our current forest elder now

[sharp lichen]

You already have Stagehand

[frigid tinsel]

That’s been done.
(Credit to Vela)

[slim plume]

Lovely

[sharp lichen]

Now, we need to go farther. Cats with Forest Elder hair

[hushed steeple]

W- what is it

[rigid mural]

i drew that too, hang on a sec

[waxen quest]

Do you just draw everything that somebody might or might not suggest?

[rigid mural]

rainstar lol

[wanton flume]

Is this mural now not cannon since it was removed

[rigid mural]

omg spade jumpscare

[frigid tinsel]

It’s more that TGC can’t control their assets and these were pieces of the Prophecy murals devs set aside while working on Season of Prophecy. These were never canon to begin with

[nimble ingot]

Light Awaits concept art of the elders' early designs.
Feel free to look up the "7 days of" art from TGC on Twitter.

[waxen quest]

Who draws the murals? I mean, if different people drew them then they would probably have different style. And if it is one person who draws them, they know a lot
If it was mentioned somewhere then blame my memory lol

[sharp lichen]

It’s likely that that mural writing is a rare profession. This is because we see a mural writer in-game (nodding muralist), but since they were a part of the Enchantment Crew, there had to be other muralists

[spark cairn]

Teth should spread the furryism to the residents of hidden forest/j

[sharp lichen]

Teth should spread the furryism to the residents of hidden forest /srs

[spark cairn]

Teth: I've come to make an announcement. You're all getting animal ears. Cat, dog, raccoon; I don't care as long as you have em.

[rigid mural]

what about birds ? admiring actor is right here

[spark cairn]

Do birds have ears?...

[sharp lichen]

The Prophets are here to help as well

[frigid tinsel]

Why do you think professionals wear animal masks?

[spark cairn]

Wow! Thanks! I hate it!

[waxen quest]

Do it. Draw somebody with bird ears.

[spark cairn]

Fear.png

[sharp lichen]

[rigid mural]

please don't push me to draw things for you

[waxen quest]

Sorry it was just a joke

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps a joke that stepped over a line.

It is not nice to demand a stranger draw something.
Asking is one thing, though should they don't feel like it, then it is best to leave it be.

[waxen quest]

Yeah you're right that won't happen again

[spark cairn]

Welcome to Forest gift basket includes:

[tough coral]

hm. hmmmmmhmhm. i think i actually have the vibes to work on my fanfic

skimming thru it rn. Its cute. The second main character thinks the pov character is a moth and tries to explain what butterflies are

[sharp lichen]

My fanfiction has no Skykids. I’ve tried to make it a fluff fic but it’s turned into an angst fic

[keen shore]

easily one of my favorite images ever

[tough coral]

getting emotional over the things i'm writing. lanius my beloved. just skykid(s) being skykid(s)

[keen shore]

sometimes when I’m sad I open up the rainstar image and just stare at it, And the one vela drew of my skykid with nodding muralist, And all the warrior cat ones, And

[sharp lichen]

Beware of Chapter 6, that’s where the true angst comes up

[tough coral]

chapter six? Im only just writing chapter one, and ive had most of this fic planned out for AGES... geez. could use some of THAT motivation

[keen shore]

baud is attempting to steal my prophetic powers /j

[tough coral]

update: ive got maybe half a page worth of just my characters in a cave eating breakfast and i still need to get them into the isle of dawn. it has been years since ive ACTUALLY written a fanfiction

[frigid tinsel]

🤝 feeling things from your own writing

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the secret tip: set clear deadlines that can be easily achievable (like finishing a chapter in 1 month). Then, you’ll be happy that you exceeded your expectations, even if your expectations were so low to begin with

[frigid tinsel]

incoherent blubbery crying

[keen shore]

THE LITTLE SINLING💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔YOU

[frigid tinsel]

You could also be like me where you work on several WIPs at the same time, write nonchronologically so you can’t post anything cos it’s not in order, and procrastinate on the draft of a oneshot that’s one editing session from completion for four months.

[rigid mural]

Hehe the little
The
The little sibby :]

[frigid tinsel]

[sharp lichen]

Let me insert my own angst

[frigid tinsel]

gives them a partner/friend/sibling/companion only to take them away

[rigid mural]

It's ok, you know what happens in your fic.

[frigid tinsel]

At least they all reunite in the Light

[sharp lichen]

Every single character in my fic had everyone in their lives leave them

[tough coral]

uh... unfortunately! Unfortunately this will not work because i have both adhd and autism and ergo am COMPLETELY at the whims of my current fixation. I could be on a roll with this fic then the next day forget sky exists in favour of hollow knight or something and if that happens theres nothing i can do about it even if i want to write or want to be interested in sky

[frigid tinsel]

i have both adhd and autism
Omg mood that’s why my writing is so chaotic

[keen shore]

you have the GALL to post this emoji when you CAUSED US TO CRY /j

[frigid tinsel]

It hits different seeing it and Vela just captures the emotions of these extremely well

[untold notch]

the double a grindset truly

[tough coral]

If we're posting emotional fanfic stuff... anyone care to see the part ive written where the pov character's dreams are visited by megabird

[rigid mural]

Alasdair: writes heartwrenching stuff
Me: doodles a scene
Alasdair: surprised pikachu with a single manly tear

[keen shore]

I KNOW what you mean but I am still angry in a positive way

[tough coral]

here it is. this writing makes me emotional and i wrote it

[rigid mural]

Oh I'm touched...

[sharp lichen]

I have autism too, and it’s just a stroke of luck that I’m fixating on Sky for 2+ years now. Thankfully, the combination of this channel, writing about Sky, and the Sky game itself allows me to put my fixation to good use

[untold notch]

I never made that oc I mentioned

[hardy mantle]

Phew, I'm glad I'm not the only one making Sky OCs still LOL

[frigid tinsel]

Um

[tough coral]

I have... (counts on fingers) four fully-designed and fleshed out skykid ocs, one skykid oc that im using as part of my in-character bestiary, and one spirit oc who's writing said bestiary
AND one pre existing character who i TURNED INTO a skykid

[frigid tinsel]

This is sorta misleading. Accounting for the repeats I have 57 skykid OCs

[keen shore]

I love hearing abt my friends skykid ocs even if I am too shy to make my own, they are all so good,
I like to creaturify them

[rigid mural]

Amander 💙
Absolute menace.

[frigid tinsel]

This however does no account for the ancestor/spirit OCs that pop into existence

[keen shore]

Amander <3

[hardy mantle]

I remember back during my first year of Sky, I had around 80? But that's cause I was pumping one out every time I got a new idea. Very few of them were actually developed, and the ones that were were poorly written 💔

[tough coral]

we cant forget the one non-skykid that i just. turned into a skykid for the sake of fanfic. (the kid is not a skykid at this point in the fanfic that is end-of-fic stuff)

[keen shore]

NOOOOOOOOO CENSORED BECAUSE OF AIR PROPEHT STICKER… VELA I SAW YOU

[rigid mural]

Pepo puts air prophet stickers on murals to mess with Bluebird, never forget.

[frigid tinsel]

Amander, my precious

[untold notch]

cant find the picrew im used to using this is so sad

[keen shore]

this dynamic fills me with joy and it makes me giggle each time

[frigid tinsel]

Molotov to Pepo to Bambam pipeline

[rigid mural]

NO WAY
FLATULENCE IS CENSORED BUT NOT MOLOTOV ???

[keen shore]

iconic image

[rigid mural]

You should slip one in the next mural you send the wiki guys

[keen shore]

NO I am a law abiding catizen

[tough coral]

something im planning to do in my fanfic is have the protag do a second eden run after the first- the first is what initially caused them to become a skykid when they were brought back to life, so they never got to feel just how awful eden is. they had no light to be drained, and they simply turned to smoke on death, so i am going to make them suffer again

[rigid mural]

My oc makes bouquets out of the light skykids give them so spirits get presents of light at their grave

[keen shore]

I love Amander because they are scared of Eden but not cursing out an elder

[tough coral]

(in reality its so they can meet megabird for real bc the first time they were too busy having their soul almost fizzle away to nothing)

[frigid tinsel]

I love them so much, I will torture them to death

[keen shore]

Average degonime activity

[rigid mural]

Can't relate, I'm so nice to my scrunklies nothing wrong ever happens to them.

[frigid tinsel]

I dont love Degonime

[sharp lichen]

Certified Riamair moment

[keen shore]

no I mean like, they would do this

[tough coral]

Yes this is EXACTLY the feeling. my angst is usually for a good reason tho- my protag never rlly had a parental figure in his life and i dont think itd be fair to not let him meet megabird, his new adoptive mother, in person

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird making Amander: and this one will have a good dose of disrespect for authority

[rigid mural]

Bold of you to assume Degonime is cool enough to have OCs, let alone have an ounce of creativity.

[keen shore]

they have one oc and it’s their edgy wolf fursona

[rigid mural]

HELP
DEGONIME BEFORE THEIR CORRUPTION ARC BEING A HAPPY SCENE KID THAT DOESN'T WEAR DIAMONDS

[untold notch]

hi i made a scrungly they are a child with very powerful magic

picrews my love uhhhh i needa name them any suggestions chat

[tough coral]

ANYWAYS GOTTA GET BACK TO ACTUALLY WRITING IF I SAY TOO MUCH HERE BONK ME WITH A NEWSPAPER

[untold notch]

ok i name them Rine idk what ill do with them

[frigid tinsel]

You could dress up as them in Sky then make up a story as you play

[keen shore]

TRUE all my complex character stories come from rp

[untold notch]

if any of yall need a background character! in fact it would be very funny if this child existed in several universes at the same time

also alasdair i dont have those cosmetics at alllll i only have the hair

[frigid tinsel]

Naihho’s Eden trauma totally wasn’t inspired by real in-game events

[raw crypt]

juts tabbed in but i love seeing ppls sky ocs, theyre are always so the ever

[untold notch]

(slaps roof of sky ocs) (a muffled ow is heard) these can fit so much trauma in them

[raw crypt]

i have a good handful of sky ocs myself and i dont think i can make anymore bc i intertwined their stories so much, no more

[keen shore]

bluebird is only sort of an oc because they’re basically just me describing myself but if I was in Sky

[tough coral]

two of my skykids r actually based on my own skykids outfits- goggles and guide specifically

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: Naihho and Amander started as the same self-insert character but they split into two and became their own individuals, would you believe that?

[raw crypt]

most of my ocs came from outfits i liked but some were specifically made to explore an idea and some made with outfits i could not dress at all but slowly am able to (so happy to dress as vonu now my bnuuy…)

[keen shore]

adding this to the list of characters you’ve split in half

[frigid tinsel]

I didn’t do it — they did it themselves

[raw crypt]

HMFHFMFNF

[frigid tinsel]

cosplaying and acting like your OCs hits all 👌

[tough coral]

oh- i have a question about this fanfic sorta thing. I dont have any fanfic site accounts, so... if i ever get my fic to a shareable state (probably once im done chapter one) can i just post the google doc for the public version

[frigid tinsel]

for publicity, you’re better off posting on AO3 and FF.net

[untold notch]

an ao3 account isnt super hard to make you just have to have patience

[tough coral]

im not rlly out there for publicity this is an personal project lol
i like writing Thing That Makes Me Happy and its mostly for me and my friends so a google doc does work but. Do you guys all do it on actual sites?

[untold notch]

i did when i wrote yeah at least for fics

poetry and things i keep in my google keep jail

[frigid tinsel]

if you don't want to publicize your work, you don't have to publish them at all. you can just share the Google Doc link to someone you want to read. but Google Docs are dark web – they won't show up on search results and nobody can easily access it

[rigid mural]

VALLEY ELDERED

[frigid tinsel]

they did it themselves, they wanted to exist

[sharp lichen]

All my characters are the Season Guides, which makes cosplaying too hard

[rigid mural]

Wanin with the rally emote
Makes you forget the crimes they committed

[frigid tinsel]

being a pretentious jerk is a crime

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! Jail for Wanin ! Pushing them in one of the pots near the harmony hall back entrance.

[keen shore]

it’s like that meme about how villains are ok but being an annoying fictional character is not

[frigid tinsel]

Nanif: corrupted skykid who manipulated Helkipi into feeding them moths to eat.
Y’all: precious bean.
Wanin: is mean to Amander.
Y’all: jail for a 1000 years.

[rigid mural]

Killing people is OK but I draw the line at being annoying. (IN FANFICTION)

[keen shore]

I LOVE NANIF

[frigid tinsel]

Reminder that Nanif also tried to corrupt Amander

[keen shore]

Yeah but are they annoying? No. Also they’re cute. Checkmate

[rigid mural]

Ok but Amander is funny because they always punch up, while all Wanin does is picking on people they deem lesser than themselves.

I like Nanif because they go on a therapy trip with their mentor

[keen shore]

I feel like the universe needs to cut them some slack to be honest

[frigid tinsel]

Vuxor: I suppose Amander filled you in on everything.
Wanin: Amander? How do you know them?
Vuxor: they... long story, but we keep running into each other.
Wanin: that... sigh.
Vuxor: you don’t like them.
Wanin: for many reasons. They beat me up.
Vuxor: I thought I raised you better than that.
Wanin: I–

[rigid mural]

OOF SIZE: LARGE

[keen shore]

AIDIEIFIEIFIWIRIWDS SOSSNNBING

RIP wanin got murdered twice

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: Vuxor wanted Wanin to be a Wasteland Navigator but Wanin eventually turned it down cos they're a bard at heart

[rigid mural]

Of course Wanin is a theater kid, that's why they are so dramatic

[rapid arrow]

I have a vague idea of who these characters are and I’m liking them

[frigid tinsel]

Wanin mad that Amander keeps screwing around and finding out their backstory

[tough coral]

local children get caught in a bad wind current, more at eleven

[rigid mural]

Wanin is just jealous Stagehand likes Amander and not them.

[frigid tinsel]

Vuxor: it seems fate keeps tying you two together. Perhaps you should cooperate.
Amander: no.
Wanin: I'm glad the fiend and I could agree on something for once

[rigid mural]

Wanin should consider this: git gud

[autumn notch]

Eating all the sky kid oc info

[frigid tinsel]

I have everything but the hair and turtle. Idk what pose they’d use but I figured I’d treat you.

[untold notch]

THE BABY!!!

speaking of i may or may not have cooked up some Angst already whoops

debating whether i want to go vampire mode (wait for an invitation to do the thing) on this hngngnhgnhggn im gonna say it

soooooo basically their staff lets them control butterflies kinda how isle elder does with birds and they can use this to help give light to people and they make a friend on their travels and the friend dies and so rine sacrifices themself to revive the friend and thats very sad and as their core light goes back up to orbit and megan the friend catches it with the staff and now the friend has the butterfly staff (and also the flower crown. they make it into a necklace hehe)

[tough coral]

I have written FOUR PAGES today i feel POWERFUL

[tough coral]

busts through the door is it okay if i post the link to my fic? i just finished the first chapter, so now there's about... the prologue+interlude+chapter 1 and thats nine pages.

i mean. i probably should sleep soon so just let me know if im... not supposed to share it i guess.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwcnNbtVGgrZMCNs9E8cIWuYnYbYMgBMwAQARxOIC_o/edit?usp=drivesdk
It's called Northwind, it's technically a Sky + Underhero crossocer but it's more focused around "kid who knows nothing about Skyworld gets yoinked into Skyworld"

so, like, a complete outsider's view on what Skykids think is normal

[violet sundial]

I have Too Many skykid ocs and they’re like, 90% part of diff gratitude themed tribes

[rapid arrow]

I have, like four skykid ocs. One of which is krill kid which I can’t dress as yet-

[nimble ingot]

In theory, there can be an infinite amount of OCs in existence.
Though only a few ever are recorded/documented, and even fewer of these OCs would be used in a story, game or as a reference for art.

[snow topaz]

Is there a compilation of all the murals

[calm jay]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg/edit yeah here's salem's mural masterlist

[wanton ivy]

hi I have a question - is there any "concrete/canon" sky lore? I've seen people write oc stories and i want to try so i just want to check

[nimble ingot]

There is some.
Take note that the devs stated that the lore is left vague intentionally, as to make it open to interpretation.

The few facts that are canon are as follows:

🔹 Krill are officially called Dark Dragons, though krill is accepted based on their appearance.
🔹A moth is known as a skykid that is new to the world of Sky, they may range in appearance and experience, though the majority of them would have few seasonal cosmetics, in depth knowledge of the history of sky (i.e. finding and completing past season quests), and have few winged light.
🔹Winged Light were once called Stars, while is has since then been changed, there is some evidence suggesting that the implication of stars may still be applicable.
🔹The was once a former version of the game called Light Awaits. Some theorists may dismiss the old version of the game, as the current one has since then changed drastically in content and lore. While some like to keep a fanon headcanon that it may be an ancient myth or previous 'life' of the world. The overall topic is very much open for debate, though what is accepted that few parts of its lore may still be applicable, provided sufficient evidence in the current can support it. Such as the King of Sky
🔹The King, and/or the Sky Prince (not to be confused for the Little Prince) may have been the missing elder(s) of Eden
🔹Orbit, Eden and Hidden Forest are the only realms with a name that is not related to a time of day, though does reference a biblical garden that once existed in Chirstian mythology at the start of time (or since the beginning of the world's time at least).
🔹Orbit counts as a realm according to the game itself, making it the 8th realm.
🔹The numbers 4, 7 and 8 have significance in the game. Such as the 4 boats, 7 elders, 8 pointed star to name a few as an example.

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[nimble ingot]

I am sure many theorists on this channel (as well as in their lore docs) have listed more facts in Sky that may be considered to be canon.

However, when it comes to fanfics, folks are free to follow their own guidelines, or write in such a way that aligns as much as they can with the lore.

[wanton ivy]

sorry for replying a bit late i had to do something but thank you so much for this!! ill keep them in mind

[nimble ingot]

If you have any other questions, feel free to leave them here.
Most folks on this channel would happily discuss the lore of the game 🙂

[soft timber]

There are also was once names for the elders and the king even, the original ones were of Hebrew origins which compliment the name Eden in Christian mythology. One of the said elder names applied to both of the Valley Elders as they were originally one and the same

[slim plume]

Some still refer to the elders as these names, probably for easiness because saying "The Hidden Forest Elder" or "The Golden Wastes Elder" gets tedious after awhile

[slow wedge]

On how spirits died is that counted as lore ? I have a theory on how Boogie Kid died.

[dusty leaf]

Yes they count

[slow wedge]

My theory is that Boogie Kid died by falling from a cliff.
The place where we light his statue in order to get his emote is right beside a cliff. When we light his statue, he starts boogying beside the cliff. Maybe he boogied so much that made him not notice that he was about to fall from the cliff. Eventually he fell and died.

[nimble ingot]

Wholesome twist, boogie kid is the one that the skykid met in a cave based on the tale told by the forgetful storyteller.

[nimble ingot]

One can safely assume that all of the ancestors us skykids meet have died and are not interacting with the spirit.

Recapping on the Elder's old names:
(Note that they are no longer canon, citing that they were placeholders. Though players may still use these names and share with newer players)
Isle of Dawn Elder - Daleth
Daylight Prairie Elder - Ayin
Hidden Forest Elder - Teth
Valley of Triumph Elder(s) - Samekh (Sah and Mekh respectively)
Golden Wasteland Elder - Tsadi
Vault of Knowledge Elder - Lamed

King - Resh
Prince - Alef

Wasteland was once called Dusk, or Shores of Mana, which may add to the name for some players on occasion.
Same applies to other realms such as where Forest was once called Rain, Valley of Triumph was once called Sunset, Vault was once called Night, and Eden was once called Storm.

Players and Devs may at times shorten the names of the characters (ex. Dawn Elder).

[waxen quest]

What are the 4 boats? Is it the Forgotten Ark and some other 3 boats?

[nimble ingot]

The murals in Dawn usually show 4 baots traveling, the theme of four tends to show up in other places (ex. the 4 elements)

[uncut pond]

Eden is the only realm with a name that is not related to a time of the day
Isn't that basically every single realm after prairie?

Also Eden used to be called "Storm" (Edit: oh you mentioned that already), and if that doesn't count then Forest being called "Rain" shouldn't count as a time of the day either

Also... Something funny I noticed

Dawn > Day > Rain
Dusk > Night > Storm

Beginning of light/darkness > light/darkness > precipitation

Am I crazy or are there parallels here

[soft timber]

appears

[uncut pond]

Update: I think I may just be crazy

[frigid tinsel]

Sunset:

[nimble ingot]

True. I am mistaken

Forest was called rain, which is not a time of day either.

The rest were given a time of day:
Dawn, Day, Sunset, Dusk, and Night.

[uncut pond]

Yeah Sunset completely ruins it

UNLESS you also count The Light as a realm which is weird and absolutely nonsensical but it can work if you stretch things enough
Like uh
Uhhhh
Maybe... The sky clears after the rain and the sunset becomes visible and after the storm the sky clears and you can see the stars on the night sky (the light)?? Yeah that'll work I think

[nimble ingot]

Side question:
(It may be asked again at a later time, when the channel is more active)

Would it be fair to establish a moth status would commonly last up to 1 year of game play?
Ergo, should a skykid have played through 4 active seasons, would they be able to graduate from moth to say, fledgling, then expert, then vet?

This is less of a lore based questions and more of asking out of interest.

[hexed saddle]

hi, you see the holes in the statutes of the elders and if that was where the prince, sky kid of the prophecy may be the first put on after being awakened with the trials of light to share its power, and as in the vault there are all the statues together maybe at one point they gathered all the lights but for what reason? to craft the ultimate dark stone or to supply the vault with light because I think the vault was built after the diamond disaster and is the gathering of all the knowledge of the kingdom and its history before it served as a place of refuge or meeting for the elders after the disaster

[torn eagle]

Wasnt there like a progression called butterfly? After a moth you turn into a butterfly? I forgot the specifics

[frigid tinsel]

Some consider moth status dropped after one’s first one or two seasons. They’re not a vet but still a fledging

[nimble ingot]

That was what I discussed in the past, yes.
Just like to see if folks would like to see elaboration on the 'tiers of play' (lacking a better word for it).
Especially with the ~~official ~~ established nicknames are just moth, and veteran. But nothing much in between (aside from chibi)

[frigid tinsel]

Those aren’t official nicknames neither. Moth, veteran, and chibi are community terms

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.
So proper moths are less than a season old.

[torn eagle]

Alright so after a few weeks of making things sure... Regarding the new-old intro.. debate? confusion? Idk..

I think things in the old intro are invalidated because of things in switch trailer (here's the link: https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU)

Heres both intros:

Old
With the stars united, our light was infinite
But darkness came and the stars fell
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds
If only they had listened..
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home

Current
With the stars united, our light was infinite
...and together, we lived in harmony.
As spirits, we soon became many
...creating our home here in the clouds.
But darkness came and the stars fell...
...and with their light we faded away.
A long time has passed. Now we call to you.
Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars.

Thoughts here is that in the old intro the stars fell first and they created a new home in the clouds, which implies that the ancestors and/or the elders came from the stars. In the switch trailer it was shown that civilization was already bustling before the stars fell, hence supporting the current intro.

One more thing is that the difference between the two at the end. In the old intro it says we bring the lost stars back home, while in the current one it says we return their spirits back to the stars. The current one makes more sense as this could be interpreted that we bring back (or connect) their spirits back to megabird, which is a cluster of stars in form. In the concept art it says that ancestors were disconnected from the megabird because of darkstone tech being used. (I think it can also explain why spirits change color lorewise, I could talk about it but right now I'll stop here it's getting long TvT)

Any thoughts and opinions about it?

[slim mango]

looks good!

anyway, have you noticed if you look closer at days of rainbow spirit's face, they're blinking?

[eternal totem]

Blinking was added many updates ago

[frigid tinsel]

They do be blinking tho

[slim plume]

Staring blankly into space

[eternal totem]

They should be blinking at each other 😔

[frigid tinsel]

They’re mesmerized by the double rainbow

[slim mango]

well, only spirit with their mask.

i haven't find other spirits with mask besides days of rainbow spirit

[frigid tinsel]

Most spirit wear masks

[keen shore]

To me, you stop being a moth when a ts from your starting season comes, so yes

[keen shore]

tysm for posting my masterlist btw!!

[frigid tinsel]

Kicking biting

[eternal totem]

They’re wearing the Enchantment masks minus the accessories (such mask exists)

[nimble ingot]

Both the old and the new intro cutscenes may be valid as far as the lore is concerned.
As far as I can recall, Ash/a dev has stated that the old intro may still apply though the new one was either more up to date, or perhaps provided a different perspective.

I like to think the old intro was told from the elder's perspective, while the new one was told from the ancestor's
As for the shift from stars to spirits, the winged light was called stars in the past.
Perhaps an update to the lore applied to the fact that the stars may not be the only thing us skykids are ascending, and it is also the spirits.

As new seasons come out, us skykids find more ancestor spirits to help ascend.
Whereas in the past, it did not seem like it was as adamant. As in, in the past, the focus seemed to have been the light itself (The bird of Light, which is/was Megabird. The stars and even the light of skykids with the phrase "shepherding the Light"); and the more recent focus of the game and the lore moved to the spirits the skykids meet and help in fulfilling their personal quests.

This can even be observed in the progress in the older, to the more recent, quests.
Glossing over each season, the Season of Gratitude were reliving the spirit memories.
The Season of the Lightseekers were the light orbs.
The Season of Belonging was about getting the spirits to come together for a family meal (with Grandma).
Season of Rhythm introduced daily quests along with the spirit riding off with the elusive Elder bird.
Season of Enchantment, the spirits and their orbs.
Season of Sanctuary, the creatures on the island and the bells.
Season of Prophecy, the 4 trials as well as a bit of elder lore.
Season of Assembly, spirits coming together to build a treehouse
Season of the Little Prince, meeting a living human child and befriending him.
Season of Flight, the spirits and the wind paths.
Season of the Abyss, spirits and the sea creatures.
And Performance, helping the spirits with their stage play.

[slim plume]

May I ask about the Elder lore we get from Prophecy?

[foggy fox]

How are sky kids born

[tranquil cloud]

Thats what i was gonna ask lol

[nimble ingot]

Salem's mural doc shows the murals, which is where the majority of the elder lore is found.
(As far as how I interpret them), the murals tell of the spirits witnessing a glowing figure fulfilling the trails and obtaining the blessings of the elements . The elders saw the figure either creating or becoming the glowing beam at the top of a mountain (presumably the Eden mountain), and the elders receiving these elemental blessings (as depicted, Forest has water, Day has earth, Valley has air, and Wasteland has fire).

[foggy fox]

Plot twist: no one knows

[nimble ingot]

They fall from the sky, like a falling star, they land on the ground and start their journey through the realms.

[tough coral]

Valley having thr air blessing is one of my points in my beloved "valley twins are skykids" theory

[lofty merlin]

Someone explain sky lore to me in The most simple terms you can imagine in like 30 seconds

[frozen pivot]

frog

[foggy fox]

Depends on your reading speed

[nimble ingot]

It may be worth pointing out that the coloured orbs from season of Enchantment may not exactly match up with the elements.
They are as follows.
cyan (air)- Dawn (the clouds at the end of the realm, just before Day)
blue (water)- Valley (ice rink)
green (earth) - Day (Bird Nest)
orange (fire) - Forest (Boneyard)
red - Wasteland (the shipwreck/crab field, and the forgotten ark)
Purple - Vault (archive)

[white junco]

An ancient kingdom fell due to one or more apocalypses, trapping the spirits in darkness and leaving them unable to ascend. skykids cleanse the darkness from the spirits and send them to the stars, where ancestor souls belong. the stuff about the kingdom itself is more vague but they were able to use the power of light, later coupled with power diamonds (like the ones in the forest gates) to perform magic and to power their technology. most agree that the overuse of power diamonds, or “darkstone,” had some hand in tipping the balance of light and dark and causing the downfall of the kingdom

[rigid mural]

Hey this is the best summary I've read

[nimble ingot]

The Lore of Sky is Open to interpretation.

[lofty merlin]

I can read a 400 page book in like 3-4 hours but I don’t actually know if that’s impressive or not

[frozen pivot]

they finally did this

[white junco]

let’s go they finally dug out the paths

[frigid tinsel]

Sky lore is like an onion; it has layers and makes you cry

[frozen pivot]

golden valley and golden wasteland's path is finally dug to be canonically connected*. ive been away too long and i can only appreciate small details from what ive left off

[white junco]

from what i understand they used to be this clear, but slowly got buried over time. glad to see they’re back!

[frozen pivot]

the path wasnt really clear before, unless they were for Season of Rhythm and changed back to being buried at Enchantment. it isnt much but it certainly is something for me since both realms are the lore's Rising Action part; game storytelling wise so to speak. lots of fun stuff to find and see

[sonic ocean]

could be desire paths

[waxen quest]

If American Psycho existed in Sky, one of/both Valley Elders would consider themselves based alpha gigachad psycho

[white junco]

what

[keen shore]

none of those words are in the vault of knowledge

[untold notch]

but with your help, we can change that. for a monthly donation of $12 dollars, I will personally edit the memory cubes in vault to add these words

[sharp lichen]

I can cheat https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[sharp lichen]

The thing is, the very first prophecy murals (right before the cave) that show the Elements fit exactly with the location of the Enchantment lights, which means the two have to be connected. Maybe Red and Purple light are just the powers of the Prophets?

[keen shore]

the murals before the cave show different locations to the enchantment lights from what I can tell btw

[sharp lichen]

Green and Orange light both clearly show Prairie and Forest, respectively. Blue Light is a bit harder to pinpoint, but we can still see it’s a lake, similar to the one found in the Ice Rink. The Cyan Light takes some stretching to do, but we can see that the mural shows it high above the clouds, which is exactly where we find it in Isle.

It’s not a one-to-one translation, but the idea of them both being the same is still there

[cobalt palm]

Oh yes, the red light icon may have been decoded by the performance stage, as the spiral stage effect is mist/fog

[sharp lichen]

Red Light contains the power of darkness/illusion, at least that's what I think

[frigid tinsel]

We only know that red light exists “where darkness prevails.”
I thought I had had a write-up of my thoughts on red light: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[steady cave]

Hello Lore chat

I have come with a question that I have just now

Why is Megabird called 'Megabird'?

[rigid mural]

red light is found where darkness prevails and is associated with mist
perhaps it's something that confuses careless onlookers and victims ? kinda like misty woods being where kids get lost

[nimble ingot]

The name came from the concept art.
There is another piece of concept art that also calls it the "Bird of Light."

[keen shore]

I have posted my take on red light here right??

[steady cave]

Very interesting, interesting indeed.
But the thing is why a bird of all names to have it be its' title?
I mean yeah Birds do represent elevation, enlightenment, hope, and wisdom--(I don't know where i'm getting with that rn braindeadsleepy)
And skids do look like doves after ||going through Eden on their way to orbit|| because of how they're purely light there

and i'm lowkey asking this question rn to just fight off my stoopy friend who thought megabird was just a tiny bird-

[frigid tinsel]

not sure. you'd have to ask Tom Zhao, the concept artist who coined the name. he didn't leave much evidence of his thought processes.

I did have an idea considering that the bird path Isle Elder initiates in their cutscene has been likened to veins. it flows throughout the world up to Orbit, even through places of darkness like Wasteland and Eden. I don't recall who said this, but their line of thought considered that the river of birds was the light cycle's bloodflow, the world the body, showing light as ever moving. so birds could be considered symbolicly sacrosanct as light and thus the Light and Megabird.

why birds were picked is up to debate. whether the devs settled on using birds to convey the light cycle before or after Zhao is uncertain. I do think it's interesting that Zhao's depiction of Megabird (first image) doesn't really resemble a bird whereas the current in-game appearance of Megabird does look more like a bird (second image).

[torn eagle]

But then they were given to elders not of the realms they are found in

[steady cave]

Now that makes a lot of sense actually

[frigid tinsel]

now onto my own thoughts, perhaps birds were picked because of, as you pointed out, pre-existing irl symbolism of birds (elevation, enlightenment, hope, and wisdom). perhaps birds were picked because that is what we associate most with flight, something apt for a game about flying