lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

COMMUNISM?

[sharp lichen]

All my debts have been paid. You, the krill supporter, should be the one to agree with me.

Sky has absolutely no relation to communism. There is no class struggle we see in Sky. The distribution of wealth is unequal.

[slate saffron]

Lies, in this most sacred of chats? Don't you know...

your heart debt can't ever be paid

[strange siren]

I'm just gonna put this here because it talls about eden idk if it's helpful or not

[regal forge]

If I try hard enough I could lick the big shiny rock in eden

[frigid tinsel]

There is no class struggle
cough

[sharp lichen]

My service to lorechat has paid the debt by itself. What have you done to further the Wooly Manta cause
Oh and hello Sarelia

[hushed steeple]

coughs loudly

[sharp lichen]

Classes ≠ class struggle. The lower class spirits we see look quite happy

[regal forge]

Coughing?!!

[slate saffron]

Public service cannot pay a private debt, especially when the interest rate has grown for so long

[sharp lichen]

My public service is that amazing so that it pays off any debt, especially when it has been corrupted.

[frigid tinsel]

systems functioning off inequality will inherently manifest struggles and persecution in order to maintain said inequality. some are happy with their lot, but they will face difficulties due to said classism

[hushed steeple]

true we could do some research with the areas and count the sprits in those places it’s what irl geographers do to estimate a lot of important information

We can also see the emotes of the sprits, see what they were like (how they felt there)

[sharp lichen]

The problem is: every spirit we see thinks of off an individualist capitalist mindset.

[frigid tinsel]

how do you know that?

[sharp lichen]

Capitalism is an economic system in which a country’s economy is controlled or influenced by private owners for profit. Spirits are these private owners

[hushed steeple]

I can see maybe capitalism in a place like the valley but what about other places? To me they seem kinda just there except maybe the forest

[white junco]

people making goods and selling them to others ≠ capitalism

[rigid mural]

what spade said tbh, capitalism isnt the only system in which there's private owners

[slate saffron]

To me that just sounds like an excuse to refuse paying what is rightly owed. It is the least you can do after everything you've done

I ALSO JUST WANNA MENTION HOW THE POWER DIAMONDS FROM SOME PERSPECTIVES CAN BE VIEWED AS A SIGN OF WEALTH AND THUS THE TWO SHIELDS IN WASTELAND MIGHT REPRESENT TWO SIDES IN A PEOPLE'S UPRISING-

[regal forge]

I don’t know if anyone remembers the manta plushie but I’ll have you know they are 1/3 of the way sewn together

[sharp lichen]

Rightly owed? You aren’t even the original creator of the debt.

[slate saffron]

That reminds me
what does a manta feel like?

Is it fluffy? Is it velvety? DOES IT FEEL LIKE A CLOUD? IT IS LIKE A BLANKET SEWED FROM GRIFFIN FEATHERS THAT IS ILLEGAL IN 27 COUNTRIES-

[slate saffron]

I'm reporting you to the IRS or your equivalent tax/debt-collecting agency

[white junco]

yo that’s so cool… you’re gonna have your own manta. incredible

[sharp lichen]

I am not afraid of the International Republic of Sky (IRS)

[regal forge]

I made it from fabric similar to fluffy/soft blankets

||also I’m gonna out a squeaker in it-||

[cunning shell]

How do you tax light? Especially if light is basically their blood?

[slate saffron]

This is 1000% lore-accurate you are amazing aaaAAAAAA-

[slate saffron]

Easy!
you take it

[cunning shell]

Punishment of debt being transfusions/possibly death is… dark

[slate saffron]

They'll reincarnate!

probably

[nimble ingot]

"Taxing light"

That reminds me of a story where folks in a certain time and place were taxed for the amount of windows they had to let sunlight in (I think in Europe, will look for it shortly), which is where the term Daylight Robbery might have been coined by this.

Essentially the tax was so ridiculous, people went and bricked up their windows to avoid being taxed for them.

[trim yoke]

Stealing your friends/strangers wings once they're krilled/crabbed/rocked >:) /hj

[keen shore]

Also keep in mind we see like 7 spirits in the entirety of valley so. not the greatest sample size to judge happiness
My guess for how this works in Sky is that gw was very lower classe area and valleu was upper. like, it still works with the concept art UOU mentioned, but with lower added (words hard am struggling) and that went badly so

[cunning shell]

Most of the Valley spirits seem pretty well-off since we don’t see most of them actually working (unless the only work is performing which is unlikely)

[nimble ingot]

Found it: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/georgian-britain-age-modernity/window-tax/

Window tax receipt, dated 25 March 1755.
The window tax, based on the number of windows in a house, was first introduced in 1696 by William III to cover revenue lost by the clipping of coinage. It was a banded tax according to the number of windows in the house. For example, for a house in 1747 with ten to 14 windows, the tax was 6d per window; it increased to 9d with more windows. Not long after its introduction, people bricked up their windows to avoid paying the tax.

It was repealed in 1851 after pressure from doctors and others who argued that lack of light was a source of ill health. (QAB 1/13/27)

[frigid tinsel]

Valley would be like the San Francisco or Pittsburgh or New York of the Sky kingdom — yes you may need to work and there are obviously classes that determine how available you are to work on your craft, but that’s a city where artists converge to create and promote their art. It’s an artisan city

[sharp lichen]

I’d say most Forest spirits are poor

[frigid tinsel]

Rural, perhaps

[cunning shell]

Yeah, as far as class/wealth goes, I’d say it probably (from least to most) went Isle -> Forest -> Prairie -> Valley -> Vault -> Wasteland?

[sharp lichen]

I’d imagine the wealth increased through the realms, as the general level of technology increased

[rigid mural]

yeah that makes sense

[ember mica]

i would think that valley was the richest :0

[regal forge]

Very rushed but why you can’t give fluffy manta boba:

[cunning shell]

I need boba tea with light balls in it

[dawn karma]

Can anyone give me some lore on the temple in the Isle of Dawn pls?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s the Isle Elder’s temple

[outer hare]

and it has an isle elder in it-

[keen shore]

big building. has elder. not entirely sure what else to put

[outer hare]

building in clouds-

[regal forge]

Out of all the elders who do you think is the easiest to overrun?
Hypothetically—
For science-

[nimble ingot]

I made a comic about this, thanks for inspiring this:
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[outer hare]

Isle or prairie-

[regal forge]

I love it—

[cunning shell]

Overrun meaning take out?

[mystic cosmos]

Saw this on Instagram

[lyric isle]

that’s one of the most absurd laws I’ve ever heard. love it

wait no the beard tax is probably weirder (yeah it’s real. look it up)

[frigid tinsel]

Looks like that artist’s take on the states skykids can experience. Remind me of Tom Zhao’s, which I don’t think is wholly canon but cool to look at

[rigid mural]

what if the vault was this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record
but spanning an entire library ?

the golden record is likened to a bottle thrown to the sea, which kinda fits this game since the ancestors left us things in the hopes we will, maybe eventually, find a way to understand. Such as the vault memory cubes.

[frigid tinsel]

resisting the urge to ramble about space

[keen shore]

SO THATS WHY SO MANY ANCESTORS ARE BALD

[keen shore]

that’s what I’m thinking ir was too!!! Idk if that was its purpose originally but my headcanon at least is that it turned into that later

[white junco]

love this take on skykids so much

[wheat cypress]

This has always been my headcanon huhu

[frigid tinsel]

NASA sent Voyager 1 with the Golden Record in hopes it would reach out to extraterrestrials. humans interested in space often wonder whether there are other intelligent beings in the universe and, if so, whether we would be able to contact them. as Vela said, Voyager's Golden Record is like "a bottle thrown to the sea," a huge expanse of ocean with currents going this way and that, letting it wander aimlessly through time and space with the very feeble hope the message will reach another and know of humanity's presence, even if we may never know they've received it..

"This is a present from a small, distant world, a token of our sounds, our science, our images, our music, our thoughts and our feelings. We are attempting to survive our time so we may live into yours."
–Jimmy Carter on *Voyager 1'*s Golden Record
perhaps the Vault was inspired by a similar thought – a record of all the knowledge of the ancestors, a collection sampling everything the ancestors knew and were, not to preserve but to show off. the Vault held greater ambitions than any other archive, library, or museum before it because the generations that began it knew they would not be the around to see their intended audience touring their history, not even knowing for sure who would see.

only when the kingdom began to fall, with rampant darkness making the situation more dire and perhaps infighting among factions of people, did Night Elder and their scholars consider an alternative usage for the Vault. fearing the sun setting on the ancestors' era did they consider the Vault not just as a record of what they were but of their mistakes, the errors in their ways, the fault in their stars. the ancestors wanted to preserve the reality of who they were for the peoples that survived the crisis in hopes those future generations would not repeat their mistakes and bring ruination upon themselves too.

[hushed steeple]

With this in mind, what if the starlight desert was a failed attempt at preserving living people.

[sharp lichen]

Would explain the boats and the chained up ancestors

[keen shore]

Considering how spirits work, I feel like they did a pretty good job at preserving living people, just not in the expected way

[hushed steeple]

That could explain some stuff! Now I’m interested

Correct me if I’m wrong but only the ancestors are alive still correct? I’m just interested in how the sky kids got there, they are clearly our ancestors but how did we get from the Stars was it another rebirth of those sprits before us and now we are like their reincarnations?

[sharp lichen]

I have a suspicion that we’re not directly related to the Ancestors, since we outnumber them significantly.

I believe that we came directly from Megabird (The Light), with a little help from the Elders.

[hushed steeple]

Ahh makes sense

[keen shore]

the ancestors are unfortunately no longer alive :( how we currently got here is unknown but probably what baudshaw said

HowEver, it’s important to note that there were almost definitely more ancestors than the ones we see, so us outnumbering them might not be valid as a form of evidence

[uncut pond]

I still want some kind of official answer to "what the heck are the missing stars in the Elder/realm constellations?"
I still believe they're probably ancestors that are no longer there for one reason or another

[keen shore]

ME TOO why are they empty

[uncut pond]

It's been bothering me for so long I NEED an answer

[cunning shell]

I like to headcanon (with no evidence oop) that we are the children of the ancestors. After all the ancestors were killed by the explosion, Megabird wanted to give them some kind of second chance to fix their mistakes. The children were blessed by Megabird and the parents were sent back to guide their children. Maybe the ancestors had lost their chance, but they could still guide their children towards redemption

[keen shore]

me

[keen shore]

I would normally say that theyre just empty spaces in case more spirits get added, but prophecy proved that if tgc wanted to add more spirit memory based lore to the game, they’d jsut retcon old memories instead of make new ones. Also, there are even empty ones in season of performance, so who even knows

[uncut pond]

My theory is that that was their original plan but then they just

didn't

And now they're just there for decoration probably

Maybe trying to add more spirits to the base constellations caused issues with Elder completion? That's my guess

[rigid mural]

thinking about the prophecy constellation

help me

[hushed steeple]

I have a theory about the starlight desert that might be a bit crazy, but I’m saying it anyways.

The starlight desert’s stars are fake. Hear me out and listen to this.

The season of the little prince brought us the star projector, a prop that creates fake stars. It also had a little cloud cave/nook that filled up with stars, and had the moon lined up perfectly with a hole from above. This room was used as an early test demo for the starlight desert preservation project. Its got possibly fake islands with fake light shining on them from a fake moon with fake stars that appear then leave.

Now a while ago, as I was just staring around the starlight desert, I noticed something. All around eden in the distance appeared to be a cloud shaped shadow. But this shadow spanned all across the starlight desert’s sky. Then I noticed that the stars were quite low to the ground, which is unusual as the home space stars aren’t like that.

Then it hit me, the stars are projections. The entirety of the starlight desert is inside a cloud room not unlike the smaller cloud nook we see in the area.

And it makes sense, you wouldn’t want any dark creatures making their way into your preservation project and murdering all your employees and willing preservation participants. They had to seal it off, but also create the illusion of being outside so the participants wouldn’t go insane. So they used purple light and created a massive star projector. And then failed 200%.

[cunning shell]

Prophecy: the Forgotten Elements New trials coming 2023.

[keen shore]

WAIT DO YOU THINK ONE OF RHE HIDDEN STARS IS THE GUIDE also I’m crying ar how wonky Diamond is

[hushed steeple]

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!!

[novel marten]

Then how did that one krill get in there

[uncut pond]

The diamond was drawn by the guide when they were 5
They were trying their best

[uncut pond]

That's a good theory but, as Hyd pointed out, the krill

[hushed steeple]

I’m not 100% certain but I believe they left a hole to eden. The krill might also just not be real. An effect of the purple light based star projector: it makes people go crazy.

[novel marten]

Maybe they sealed it away in that sandstorm area just to keep it away from anyone else? Idk?

From a game design/season perspective it makes sense because the prince has to get beaned. But I don’t know why story-wise

[nimble ingot]

Skykids in lorechat to devs

[hushed steeple]

Thats also people who are confused about certain aspects of sky and creative decisions the devs make for the game as they don’t know any of the lore and probably don’t realize there is any lore./j

[raw crypt]

funfact ingame the stars are assets you can stand on if you get high enough

[hushed steeple]

BABY SKY KIDS!!!!!!!

[covert carbon]

First of all- HOW

Ooohh Right tables!

[raw crypt]

Rocket! If you and another person offer piggyback to eachother and press accept at the same time, you shoot up!

[hushed steeple]

A day or two ago, I noticed that sparkeler parent has a lantern. I turned my camera to get a closer look at it and found out that it has a light orb in there. I mean its not that big a surprise now since we see an ancestor collect light into a lamp in the switch trailer. But it is a really neat detail.

[uncut pond]

This pic goes so hard

[covert carbon]

Second of all, wouldn’t it have been easier to just put a picture instead of while models??? ( I don’t know about game stuff but I’m pretty sure that models take more space)

[covert carbon]

OHH i forgot about that too! Thanks Slink

[novel marten]

Yes, but maybe since the stars are interactable you need an object for it? Not sure but that’s my guess

[uncut pond]

Yes, images would've been way easier
Same for the Edens you see in the background of realms, there was no reason from them to be 3D models

Same for a lot of the clouds surrounding the realms, there was no reason

[covert carbon]

How does this game run on phones I’m so curious

[uncut pond]

It doesn't

It has terrible performance unless you have like, a REALLY strong phone

[covert carbon]

Really??? I didn’t know (wait that sounded sarcastic it wasn’t sarcastic)

[uncut pond]

No seriously I have a pretty decent phone and the game has bad performance
It has a reputation for not running that well

[novel marten]

It’s ok on my iPhone 12

[covert carbon]

I’ve got an 8+ with little space, solid 60 frame rate despite my 10k images and apps that take a lot of space

[novel marten]

I think switch might have better quality because it’s a game console and it’s meant to run bigger 3D games, but still

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but if I’m correct its easier to get a model to glow than a decal. That and/or a model just looks nicer up close compared to an image.

[uncut pond]

I don't know about iPhones please translate that into computer specs

[novel marten]

Yes but a player is not supposed to get that close to begin with, aside from when you’re actually in Eye of Eden and going to the mountain itself

[hushed steeple]

Be sure to keep your phone cool. It can have bad performance if its overheating

[novel marten]

Uh, iPhone 12 is relatively recent it’s like the 3rd newest iirc

When I got this phone the 13 just came out

[uncut pond]

It doesn't overheat, the game just has bad performance from the first second I open it

I mean, it kinda runs well depending on the area but the majority of them run at sub-30 FPS

[hushed steeple]

but the stars in starlight desert need to provide a specific effect. Something more magical compared to the stars in home space. And for that it would be required for each star to be a separate entity, and be closer to the player, as well as each star needing to be in specific positions too.

[covert carbon]

I play on low power mode sometime, to remind me of my mortality

[novel marten]

Be sure to be on low/middle visual quality cause that helps me

[uncut pond]

Already using that
Doesn't help too much tbh

[hushed steeple]

I can play on a higher mode for only so long before it begins over heating. Thats why I play on the lowest mode. That and I also need my phone to last while I’m not at home.

[covert carbon]

I forgot to mention, my phone’s home button doesn’t work so I had to put one in on my screen manually

[hushed steeple]

Then maybe check your storage, how many things you have on in the background, or if you have too many apps.

And if that doesn’t work. Then try restarting it.

That’ll be $999.99/j

[long gull]

i’m sure someone has pointed this out before, but the story about the silent child in the second season of performance quest seems to be about why we have winged light! i like to think the child was resh

[hushed steeple]

Sanctuary Guide has the elder symbol on their instrument with what appears to be either a star symbol or a youngelder symbol all around it.

[hushed steeple]

8, ITS 8 EXACTLY!!!!! POSSIBLE ELDER REFERENCE!!!!!

Perhaps the greater elder symbol stands for dawn elder, and the lesser slder symbols stand for the other 7 original elders. All united and under isle elders reign before the king showed up, 3 of the elders died, and only 2 of the dead elders were replaced.

[rugged jackal]

What if sancqg used to be an elder and then fell from grace/retired
Maybe they’re a lot older than they seem to be

[hushed steeple]

I don’t think thats how it works. They’re reffered to as an ancestor spirit and not an elder. And I don’t think elders and ancestors were exactly the same. I’ve also theorized that the missing 8th elder probably drowned from the floods. You see, there were concepts of an underwater, flooded temple.

[rugged jackal]

1. Ah ok ok
2. There’s a missing 8th elder??

[hushed steeple]

Yes, so there is this symbol called an elder symbol. And in the chance that we can find them representing all the elders in a group(for example edens door)there is a clear mussing 8th symbol.

Also, in the early version of orbit, all the elder statues were there, including an eighth broken/destroyed statue.

[rugged jackal]

Ok, then what does this mysterious “elder symbol” look like?

[hushed steeple]

Its even on the elder hairs.

[rugged jackal]

Oki oki good to know thank very

[hushed steeple]

Yeti was a mage warrior shaman barbarrian./j

[uncut fern]

Hello lore chat! What’s happening?

[hushed steeple]

A little while ago I noticed that darkness plants produce a bit of light on the ground.(probably should have noticed sooner)I think this shows that they consume light.

[novel marten]

This also makes sense considering that Tearful Light Miner’s memory has someone getting absorbed by the plants

And when they’re burned they release some of the light it had

[hushed steeple]

There is only one set of invincible darkness plants. And that set is in the storage unit of the prairie caves.

Wait, what if-

I have to go check something.

Oh my jar!!! Darkness plants might be corrupted weeds!!!

I’m gonna go do other things now. I need to get productive things done.
BYYYYEEEEE!!!!!

[wanton nest]

Yeah I’ve tried to burn those on multiple occasions but keep forgetting that they aren’t burn-able 😅

[keen shore]

I have a big long theory on darkness plants that I’d have to retype. Basically, my take on them is that they’re obviously parasites like what Esther said, but more importantly that what they parasitize on is the light of dead people or animals. So wherever they grow… there were corpses there at some point.

Since light in Sky might be connected to personality/memories/ etc, this means that anything digested bu the darkness plants, including what would have ofherwise been spirits is irrecoverable. The light they release when burned are the remnants of people

[smoky cipher]

Lore chat, what are your thoughts on the symbol that ceasing commodore's hair has + the same symbol on the top of the daylight prairie's temple

[frigid tinsel]

they're mantas

[smoky cipher]

That's it..? I thought there would be something more deeper than that xD

[sharp lichen]

Hey Mantas are cool

[frigid tinsel]

what is interesting is that that very same symbol used to be on the Forest Elder temple refinery, which is thought to have been involved in the power diamond manufacturing process. only recently was that symbol changed to the diamond in a box

[smoky cipher]

Ooh interesting

[keen shore]

I can confirm this, totally assumed the implication there was that they used mantas for the refinery stuff but

[frigid tinsel]

maybe the devs wanted that implication solely on the Treasure Reef facility, since that change came with the Season of Abyss update

[rigid mural]

:]

[keen shore]

YEAH THAT THING I had to check Forest temple twice after it got deleted to make sure I didn’t just ignore it by acidsnet

[rigid mural]

acidsnet

[frigid tinsel]

when your net is made of acids

[hushed steeple]

Hello! What’s going on lore chat

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[frigid tinsel]

the manta symbol used to be on the Forest Elder temple refinery but was switched out in the Season of Abyss update

[keen shore]

HATE when that happens

[keen shore]

Oooh, if you’re right I wonder what that would mean abt the other ones. I wonder if the forest refinery even USED mantas or if they had a more sustainable method

Remember how there’s darkstone in isle and prairie and I thought that those two realms had a more sustainable or not murderous way of producing it?

[frigid tinsel]

been thinking on that. consider that in the ancestors' era, they didn't want it to be obvious of the animal cruelty. having a manta symbol on the refinery basically screams "we grind mantas here" and if that was an abhorrent truth, best to keep that on the downlow

[keen shore]

“Hey, forest elder, why is there a manta symbol here?”
[forest elder kicks manta sumbol under bed] Dont worry about it.

[novel marten]

Wait…

So Forest, specifically the bridges area before the temple, has multiple areas where mantas are trapped in dark plants.

Do you think the ancestors learned from the dark plants that they could use mantas like that?

[keen shore]

OOHHHH MAUBE

[frigid tinsel]

there is a sort of cage where mantas are held which releases them after the Forest Elder's cutscene

[novel marten]

While I’m on this topic, the Forest temple is one of the only places to hold a huge dark tree… there’s gotta be a well of power under there that it draws from

The other places are in wasteland and in places like battlefield that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

if darkness plants grow from sources of light energy, then something big with a lot of light energy used to be there

[novel marten]

There are whale bones in the bridge room too, so maybe…

[uncut fern]

Whales were used.

[white junco]

the whales

[uncut fern]

Poor wes

[frigid tinsel]

hence why there are only three whales in-game. there's prob more but not a lot

[keen shore]

I can totally see whales being used in wasteland, but in forest — if s whale died with its bones like right next to the temple, and whales got used? wouldn’t they move the body in there to use it?

[novel marten]

Ok but what if the whale in the Underground moved down there to protect itself from being hunted? Or maybe one of its ancestors did

Now that the Underground is connected to Wind Paths too, the light creatures have pretty good range

[white junco]

ok but question. whales are the wasteland elders light creatures and probably deeply connected to them, like how butterflies are to prairie elder. so what would’ve made wasteland use whales?

[frigid tinsel]

personally I think that speciifc whale at the temple in boneyard died somehow else given the jagged trees nearby and that it crashed in a building. bones signify unnatural death. it could've been hunted but it also could've been afflicted with something that wouldn't have existed without the ancestors messing around, as though poisoned or starving

[novel marten]

Also are jellies the favored light creature of anyone? I might say Forest because of the hair

[white junco]

jellies are also only found in forest and sanc islands, I think you’re right on that one!

[frigid tinsel]

it is noteworthy that the area outside the Forest Elder's temple is called "boneyard." unlike graveyard in the Wasteland, there aren't a lot of bones there. is one skeleton shoved in the corner enough to get that name? or were there once more, just bones dumped there while the light flesh was moved into the refinery? where are those bones now?

[white junco]

my elder-creature associations are
: bird
: butterfly
: jellyfish
: bird (again)
: manta
: whale
: spirit manta
the reason i gave the valley twins two different light creatures is bc if you do it that way, the elder creatures are in the same order as the creatures you encounter during the ascension to eden (excluding isle and vault creatures bc they get left out of everything)

[rigid mural]

maybe thats what dismayed hunter killed ?

[white junco]

oh wait what if the king was associated with birds just like the isle elder. look at the shape that lights up above the isle temple door. and that’s the order too

[novel marten]

Also birds are kinda diamond shaped

[white junco]

ascension order is butterflies - jellies - birds- mantas - whale

[rigid mural]

tbf we do see mantas go through the castle door while still in butterfly zone

[thin mist]

just a question but why is the golden wasteland like that? is there any theories as to what turned it into a wasteland?

[novel marten]

In general the consensus is that it used to be a factory for power diamonds, but somehow it became a battlefield too and it was left as such when the fall happened. Maybe they were defending the diamonds, or the Vault. The dark water is mostly thought to be sewage or remnants from the factories, some even think it’s oil. Krills are corrupted light creatures, not sure which ones though

It could have also been a center for trade considering the large ships that have wrecked there

Hopefully the Sky animated series will go into the history of wasteland?

[thin mist]

OOO!! THATS REALLY INTERESTING! also theres a sky animated series????

[novel marten]

There’s supposed to be one coming out, it was announced at some convention this year

[keen shore]

Hmmmm…

• Assiciated with birds
• Might be bird
• Associated with yellow things (cheese or WL)
• really mean to everyone (Me)
• Attack and Hurt me

Hmm….. hmmm?…. hmmm… @rigid mural

[white junco]

here's the teaser! https://youtu.be/KevTXLvpmVI

[rigid mural]

That's what you get, you lawless creature.

[static meteor]

honestly? I love this take, even if it's not canon, and it's going into my personal headcanon box lmao

[hushed steeple]

It appears there is a deactivated or possibly even dead gravity manipulation disc behind the wasteland elder’s statue. Now the question that needs to be answered here is, what did it hold/display?

[keen shore]

thats how they got up on the cliff they jumped off of /j

[regal forge]

If someone gave cannoneer a bath do you think cannoneer would just simply evaporate

[keen shore]

Ask flight guide, they’d know

[spark cairn]

Become dust

[regal forge]

ayo why is there a little performance guide by my name what’d I do—

[spark cairn]

You've been chosen

[regal forge]

I’m afraid—
I’m not ready to be a theatre kid-

[spark cairn]

It's too late to back out. The show must go on

[regal forge]

Uh- uh- LINE??

[keen shore]

they’re watching

[hushed steeple]

Well this certainly gives us blatant answers to what some things are.

[regal forge]

Hey why has the performance crew seen eden?? Especially close enough to know what those things are?
Or did they see it from valley or something and go “yep, draw that”

[hushed steeple]

I honestly don’t know how they painted any of the scenes seeing as they only recently were revealed from the clearing clouds.

[regal forge]

Which one wandered around sky to paint all the backgrounds correctly I wonder

[hushed steeple]

My guess is that performance guide’s twin, rhythm guide, telepathically delivered the scenes to performance guide. I’m sure its just a twin thing.

[regal forge]

Rhythm guide after a skid helped them get to orbit: ”you’re not gonna believe this place”

[white junco]

well the stagehand painted them, so maybe they asked some skykids?

[hushed steeple]

The scenes were already painted once we got there.

[white junco]

paint

[keen shore]

This is my favorite headcanon, I really love the idea of them painting the backgrounds with a skykid

[regal forge]

Oooh it was stagehand who painted them all. What are their sources?? Did they wander around the realms or have people telling them about it??

[hushed steeple]

Well obviously Performance Guide had to draw a rough sketch of the scene for frantic stage hand to paint. Performance guide literally can’t paint. They always end up glued to the ceiling some how.

[regal forge]

That or everything but what was supposed to be painted is painted

[hushed steeple]

Y’know what, now that I think about it, I did see both rhythm guide and Patchy(is that their name? Jar, I’m terrible with names)over in the cozy theater when I had first arrived.

Or was that for flight? WAIT! I remember hearing something about Frantic Stagehand having achieved enlightenment and being a master of past, present, and future. Apparantly they can see everything, and can even look through space and time.

[frigid tinsel]

maybe skykids made that backdrop? or told Stagehand what Eden looked like? or Stagehand got the idea to paint a hellscape Eden from hearing the skykids' stories about it.

[hushed steeple]

Or maybe stagehand has really good eye sight and could see everysingle detail of eden from valley.

[regal forge]

Maybe the storm didn’t even happen yet, stagehand made eden look like that to have a spooky background, got chewed out for having an inaccurate background…
and decided to make it acccurate

[hushed steeple]

Stagehand is the lord of thhe darkness. They, and they alone, corrupted the king and the mighty diamond of Eden!!!

[regal forge]

We’ve cracked the code lore chat!!

[hushed steeple]

Well….

I’ve never noticed this before. And its only in this one spot.

How peculiar….

[regal forge]

Ooh, where is that?

[hushed steeple]

Wasteland temple. Door to vault, not forest Elders room, its a common mistake.

[regal forge]

I’ve always found it interesting that you can’t back out of wasteland and vaults temples once you’re inside

[cunning shell]

Maybe Fire Prophet told Stagehand about what Eden was gonna be like. Like prophet is the third uncle twice removed they’re both chonky, so…

[hushed steeple]

Its like that for forest temple too.

[keen shore]

the mistake you made here is trying to justify them being related with physical similarities, not realizing that (at least spiritually) fire prophet is EVERYONES uncle

[hushed steeple]

Stagehand is secretly a member of the prophecy spirits.

[cunning shell]

No wonder they’re frantic lol

[regal forge]

That’s just cause the forest elder doesn’t want the moths falling down the stairs outside the door to a VERY big drop

[hushed steeple]

Seven sets of doors. A temple for one elder. Eight elders once lived simultaneausly. These are the docks for those Elders, a sort of short cut into the trading capital. The current Valley Elders never got to experience this as they weren’t born yet. Their future role was occupied by the original Valley Elders.

[regal forge]

One day stagehand will do the same spinny spinny fire prophet did as the TS and reveal themselves as… fire prophet. All along.

I always viewed the battle ground in wasteland as the place an actual kingdom was. It just looked like a ruined and buried castle. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a kingdom there and the elders were a single coherent govern over the realms

[hushed steeple]

Well todays your lucky day!!!

It appears to have been a trading capital. We also know that it was once called the Golden Valley and was a place for rich people.

Do you mind if I share a character concept with you all? One that I made I mean.

So I found what appear to be Valley Elder pucks all strewn accross the area in front of wasteland elder’s temple gates.

[rapid arrow]

Well to me the GW temple interior looks like a weird little gladiator area. That could be just me though

[sharp lichen]

I’d imagine stagehand looking at the prophet requirements:

Have some sort of elemental power
Be tall
Be hot
And then have them realize they fulfill none of those

[rapid arrow]

They have the elemental power of stress/j

[hushed steeple]

Its all actually covered in sand. From what I’ve seen it originally was the raised platform with wasteland elder’s statue, and below would have been a beautiful pond of clear water.

[hushed steeple]

I imagine they’d believe they were tall and hot, and that art is an elemental power.

[hushed steeple]

Now I want to attempt to make an aesthetic drawing of pre-King wasteland temple.

[hushed steeple]

Please do! It would be cool

Ima draw fire prophet and stage hand tomorrow!

[static meteor]

is it just me, or does the mark on the chest of prairie and wasteland look like small winged lights?

[nimble ingot]

Each elder has a diamond/star motif on their bodies.
Some are on their backs, some are on their fronts.

[static meteor]

ohh, okay
what do you think they mean?

[nimble ingot]

That there is something very important about Diamonds in Sky.

[hushed steeple]

I…have had dreams about those doors

[glass stag]

Wait, I have a question, are we actually interacting with our ancestors or are we just reliving their memory? The fact that they cook just made me confused

[outer hare]

Are you talking about grandma's cooking?

[glass stag]

Yep

[outer hare]

I believe that guides like grandma stay in sky even after their seasons have passed. Even what we see are spirits but in a more existent form perhaps. Its hard to think about. Regarding the fact that gramma cooks may be that she's used to what she did back when her season was there in time and she may have cooked for the family. As a guide she now passes time making mochi for us now. This is more of a child's wishful theory but perhaps some guides are so used to what they used to do and want to go back to it they end up like gramma or the sanctuary guide.

[nimble ingot]

That would depend on who you ask.
Some folks theorise that the memories are just that, an echo of the spirit reliving the moment.
Others theorise that spirits are trapped in the memory and will keep reliving the moment until a skykid helps them out of the cycle and gain awareness of their surroundings.
There are other theories that go along these lines (that I know of), or are a combination of the above.

It is known that the ancestors did sleep, eat and drink when they were alive. So they were like human beings living out their mortal lives. The spirits can be described as ghosts of the ancestors that have not been able to pass on.

As for Grandma's cooking. The event is partly based on game mechanics and partly on the lore that was introduced in the Season of Belonging, the season where Granny was the season guide.
During the season, the skykids were tasked to gather the spirits of the season to join Grandma for a family dinner. That is how I interpret it, at least.
Since the season has passed and did not have any content to call back to it such as since the season of Enchantment. The devs have added an event for skykid to gain some wax, have fun with friends and enrich the game play with grandma hosting meals at certain times.

The skykids get to experience a part of what the season was like. Grandma is able to make an appearance in the game in a similar way as the other season guides are able to. And it adds another way to get wax while having fun with friends.

[nimble ingot]

aw mochi ❤️
Adding that to the list of potential foods the grandma makes.

Bao Buns
Rice Cakes
Cake pops
Plump dumplings
Cotton candy
Lite Orbs (zero darkness)

Now it is if the other guides from the seasons of Gratitude, Rhythm and lightseekers would come back in some way in the future.
Either as an extension to a place their season has features (ex. rhythm with the valley coliseum), or a pop up event that pays homage to what the season was about way back when.

[glass stag]

RESPECT FOR WRITING ALL OF THIS YOO

As a little prince moth, I haven’t played or know this season XD, thx for the information

[outer hare]

Raiders typing skills are unmatched-

[nimble ingot]

Aw shucks, the lore chat has fantastic writers and brilliant minds. I am just glad to read their work and add a bit of my own.

[hushed steeple]

Raider: Sky Adventurer
More like
Raider: Lorechat's encyclopedia

[glass stag]

Ikr lol

[outer hare]

YES- thats it :D! Why have a lore doc if you could have a lore Raider ✨

[nimble ingot]

XD

[regal forge]

Prophets don’t have powers at all and are just the worlds best street magicians
…
Cave magicians I guess but none the less—

[nimble ingot]

Fire prophet is to "Percy" ( performance guide ) as a shaman or witch doctor is to a stage magician.

[regal forge]

Crab whisperer is the true magician:
“Abra cadabra”
🏃🏻💨

[harsh pecan]

Yes do it

[regal forge]

Do you think mantas can smell fear?

What do you think they do with that information
Maybe try to eat the fearful sky kid-

[covert carbon]

Did you mean: prairie mantas

[novel marten]

Not eat, but yeet

[covert carbon]

Wait how did I answer your message before you asked it??

[regal forge]

Actually now that we think about it
Do mantas eat at all?
Where are their mouths-

[hushed steeple]

They're mantas of light.
Do they need to eat at all?

[floral grove]

Eating is basically a way for most living things to get energy to sustain themselves. Light mantas probably get their energy from light sources (like Sky Kids do) so I doubt they would need to eat and digest other stuff

[regal forge]

Photosynthesis mantas

[floral grove]

yes pretty much

Them thriving with photosynthesis might be a reason why there are so many light creatures in Sanctuary. The sky in that place is clear and perhaps the light reflected by the water helps the light creatures in fully immersing themselves in sunlight

[forest spade]

Hey there lore chat

I'm explaining sky lore to people in cozy, and I need to know something- how were dark plants created? Same thing with dark creatures

[nimble ingot]

Dark plants are theorised to be feeding off darkness/negative energy.
They seem to thrive in areas where a traumatic event took place (see light miner, fainting warrior), or in dark spaces such as caves.
This is not always the case such as the bell towers in Day, although the bell towers (also known as stupas) are seemingly corrupted.

Dark plants seem to have appeared after the ancestors died, as there as not been any case where an ancestor/spirit has acknowledge them in a memory or event.
Take note, while season of flight may have darkness in the final cutscene. I am conflicted with the buggy nature of the plants disappearing when approached, yet they are seen to be growing on the rocks and trapping light creatures.

[forest spade]

What about dark creatures? How did they come to be? I've seen a lot of people theorize that they're just corrupted light creatures, but are there any other theories?

[violet sundial]

Oh wait those are stupas????

[forest spade]

Why did it take me so long to realize I put dark instead of light 💀

[trim yoke]

I missed most of it but was there for the stuff about the fallen king business, and it's fair interesting

[frigid tinsel]

Dark creatures are confirmed corrupted light creatures

[forest spade]

Source: trust me bro

In all seriousness- where did you get that from? Did a dev say it?

[floral grove]

The logic of dark plants appearing where Ancestors died doesn't make much sense especially in used-to-be-dense areas like the Village of Dreams
Edit: Though their bodies could have acted as fertilizer which might be why some dark plants grow around areas where Ancestors died (i.e the gravestones in the mine in Hidden Forest)

For me, I believe darkness isn't necessarily the plant itself but more like a form of dust. When Eden collapsed, it might've had some sort of "dust leak" from the light factories which then were brought to the Hidden Forest through rain. That could explain why Forest is full of dark plants while Valley of Triumph, though being located nearer to Eden, barely has any darkness

[frigid tinsel]

I’m like dead tired and sleep deprived rn but Jenova Chen, founded of TGC, said as much

[formal skiff]

Actually the tearful light miner memory involves them directly, so they seem to have been around with the ancestors, perhaps in later times when corruption got bad. A theory of Salem’s is that they grow where there was a death.

[floral grove]

Hidden Forest littered with dead things

[nimble ingot]

Here are messages from Reika and Seraph when talking about the bells in Daylight Praire: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The name stupa may suggest that it is either based on a stupa (as in it is Sky's version of the structure), or inspired by them (they are not necessarily a stupa, but similar to one).

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness plants seem to grow off of sources of light energy — the bells in Prairie village, light creatures

[floral grove]

Huh, perhaps that's why many darkness plants appear under roofed areas. They could be ancestors or light creatures that sought refuge before succumbing to death

[cunning shell]

I’m still not sure that that explains Valley. What better source of light than the sun?

[nimble ingot]

dark plants appearing around spirits is an odd edge case. I am not dismissing it, though find it difficult to determine whether it was part of the memory, or there to imply the presence of darkness.

The memory of the piggyback lightseeker in Dawn has a similar case with a spirit appearing with dark plants growing off them.

[frigid tinsel]

Dark beings seems to avoid direct sunlight for some reason. Consider that darkness plants as well as dark creatures like krill and crabs are usually in caves, in shade, in realms of thick cloud cover, or indoors.

There appears to be a difference between neutral light (sunlight) and magic light energy (as within light creatures, spirits, and skykids or the floating orbs of light). The latter can be used and consumed. What of sunlight then?

[violet sundial]

I can definitely see the inspiration for prairies temple! The top structure in particular reminds me a little bit of the Borobudur temple in Indonesia

[rigid mural]

Weren't the bells inspired by tibetan prayer wheels too ?

[violet sundial]

Probably? I havent seen those o

Ooh that makes sense. So cool,,,.,,,

[violet sundial]

Actually this is so… i can really see the inspiration!

[frigid tinsel]

pics of stupas for clarification's sake

[wheat cypress]

Practitioners also have a meditation ritual of walking around the stupa... When we burn the dark plants off of the stupa we also go in a circle around it... At least I do lol

[formal skiff]

It’s certainly up for interpretation. I like to think that the darkness consumes them, but that’s merely one somewhat dark interpretation and I’m not claiming it’s lore :)

[frigid tinsel]

considering that we gain light by melting darkness plants, darkness as a force seems to only consume and hold onto light, preserving light energy. the leviathan also seemed to hold onto light, the creatures within it preserved. it's a wonder what krill do with the light they consume

[formal skiff]

Or maybe they can’t actually consume it, even though they want to. Maybe they can only futilely knock it out of us?

[wanton nest]

Just found this image for the Belonging grandma. Do with it what you willl

[rigid mural]

You can even see flags on the prairie temple !

[uncut fern]

Grand got us full.

[nimble ingot]

Granny better not Hansel and Gretel skykids into that fire place XD

[strange sinew]

i sit in the pit for fun

[nimble ingot]

That or a bit like the dreidel

[rigid mural]

Aren't dreidels like prayer beyblades ?

[slate saffron]

Canonically Moses parted the Red Sea with a beyblade

FOUND IT

[pseudo scroll]

first time looking at lore chat and being greeted by this

[rigid mural]

Legendary

[frigid tinsel]

Ah I see lorechat is up to their typical shenaninganery

[lyric isle]

we four all came into something amazing

[slate saffron]

WAIT A MINUTE I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING
since Moses' ability to part the red sea was one of the powers provided to him by God through his staff according to Bible cannon

And in Beyblades Moses used a beyblade to part the red sea instead of a staff

this must mean that beyblades are a gift from God

the point I'm trying to make is that I think the storm in Eden is being caused by a beyblade

[nimble ingot]

In a casual conversation yeah.
The item is used in a game where the 4 sides have letter and are as follows:
nisht נישט ("nothing")
gimel for גאַנץ (gants, "entire, whole")
hei for האַלב (halb, "half")
shin for שטעלן אַרײַן (shtel arayn, "put in").

[nimble ingot]

careful, it was not Moses himself, but God parting the water at his signal.

[nimble ingot]

The dreidel was inspired by the game in Germany known as a teetotum

[slate saffron]

Ah, sorry about that!
Moses in beyblades must have then simply used the beyblade to signal God to part the red sea then

[frigid tinsel]

Today in lorechat: Moses parted the Red Sea with a beyblade

[keen shore]

my concept for how darkness works with spirit memories specificalky is that the darkness attaches to and absorbs the memory’s projected fragments. That would also imply that the fragments exist somewhere we can’t see them before we relive them, which is really interesting.

You can see the most obvious example of this in slumbering shipwrights memoru, although it’s also in the one you mentioned.,

[frigid tinsel]

Been wondering how spirit memories form. For a while I’ve been going off the thought that they are the Sky world’s memories of the ancestors, which is still viable. Spirit memories are the imprints of the ancestors much like winged light are the imprints of skykids.

Another thought that’s come to me recently is that spirit memories are shed from wandering spirits as they lose light, perhaps not to darkness but ambiently by existing as pure light beings without a protective tangible shell — as their living bodies once were. They are called “lost lights” in game. Darkness then could attach to these lost lights, grow, and flower — their blossoms distorting the memory.

[uncut pond]

I mean, it IS canon lore, just not Sky lore

[keen shore]

ooooooooooo… would the shed spirit memories be of the moment when they were shed, or b4? I’m guessing the second, right?

[frigid tinsel]

given that these memories correlate with what the ancestor was doing when they were alive in so-and-so place, I think they're shed when their spirit passes by these places, recalling what they were doing there, unintentionally shedding their light that contain those memories. so they're already dead when these memories shed.

[keen shore]

THAT MAKES SENSE I don’t have great words rn sorry but I love that explanation

[sharp lichen]

Words will never not never not be hard.

[lyric isle]

hello I hear Nod

[sharp lichen]

I’m a real chef: look at the world salads I’ve made!

[keen shore]

WHERE I want to talk btot them

[marsh rivet]

lorechat, quick question: which valley twin was blue, which red? or was it red and blue? idek anymore.

[frigid tinsel]

[wheat cypress]

Since no one has mentioned it yet, to continue in the dreidel convo, I'd like to add that most dreidels u can buy online have four letters, nun, gimmel, hey, and shin. Each are an initial for the phrase "nes gadol haya sham", meaning "a great miracle happened there"

They are used as a game during the festival of Hanukkah, and the phrase on the dreidel refers to how the oil in the temple lamp stayed lit for 8 days even though they only had enough oil to make it burn for one day

Also an interesting thought... Do we know if our ancestors had holidays? What would they be? If I find out I wanna celebrate them too to keep our traditions alive

[sharp lichen]

I do think the Days Of events are basically spirit holidays

[wheat cypress]

I was sort of ready to overlook that since for game play purposes they match up with earth's holidays, but I guess that makes sense

I was more wondering if they had any holidays original to their society, but the evidence for that is slim

[nimble ingot]

Going by the tally of the realm, that is anyone's guess.
That and the twins would occasionally switch places, though the spiky haired twin (kakashi Sam) is usually on the left, and the rounded haired twin (dora Mekh) would be on the right.

[sharp lichen]

Even still: the event-specific spirits fit the days of events so well that i can’t help but think they’re canon

[slate saffron]

I assume that lunar new year must one of their holidays, as the floaty-dragon Boi must have been built by someone!

Besides that I like to think that they must have had a holiday to celebrate the King's crown-ing and a annual week-long period that was originally ment for people to complete a pilgrimage to Eden but later just became a week of celebration as devotion to the megabird/the cycle of reincarnation faded I don't have much evidence for this but I like the idea alot

[cunning shell]

I think every culture has some unique holidays. I had a list of ideas for Sky holidays somewhere~

[nimble ingot]

It is not the only stone creature that could exist in Sky.
I do hope the devs would be able to include them more into the game.

Would Sky have a harvest holiday?

[wheat cypress]

What would they harvest lol.... Light maybe

[fickle wing]

crops

[sharp lichen]

Days of Mischief and Days of Feast kind of fits that

[wheat cypress]

They must have had a holiday to celebrate the Light

[nimble ingot]

hmm, true true

[fickle wing]

some sorta harvest festival feels like a prairie tjing since it’s like
a farming sorta area according to the elder pin n stuff

[cunning shell]

When I made my candy theory here ( #lore-discussion-spoilers message ), I imagined that being a holiday. Everyone comes to gather around for a Candy Festival to harvest what they need and refine the candy

I think they do canonically celebrate Bloom now, which I picture kind of panning out like May Day? Even though the dates don’t line up

They probably have some kind of Olympics competition annually in Valley

I think of Forest having a holiday, maybe in summer, that’s sort of a community barn raising vibe—everyone teams up to take advantage of the warm weather and build together/get ready for winter

[sharp lichen]

In my opinion, all days of events are canon minus Days of Sky

[cunning shell]

True. I do feel like they really made an effort to show us that the spirits actively celebrate Bloom, though. Same with Fortune. Those seem… idk, like bigger holidays?

[lean siren]

daily orb

[lyric isle]

also hi I have a big big headcanon for Fortune

[slate saffron]

Say it

[keen shore]

SHOW I loved days of fortune i don’t think it was talked about enough, Also thanks for the orb ham I will use it for evil

[novel marten]

Pondering this orb rn

[slate saffron]

It's name is Solomon smh smh

[keen shore]

[Eats your orb]

[frigid tinsel]

Solorbman

[keen shore]

are we going to give all of the realm orbs names now.? If so I think we should name vault orb Stinky

[novel marten]

I’m naming the orb I bought from that one enchantment spirit uhhhhh shiny

[frigid tinsel]

Nurdle

[keen shore]

I stole an orb from the forgotten ark. I’m gonna call it Smurgy

It keeps setting things on fire, I’m not sure how to fix it. I think it’s just misunderstood or something.

[hushed steeple]

Awww the one from daylight prairie should be finch or Aponi (meaning butterfly)

[nimble ingot]

You better take good care of it.

[lyric isle]

ok hello uh infodump time

so basically the Fortune dragon is a show prop for the Gratitude troupe
it's both something they carry and can also ride as a piece of their routine - maybe they're seen riding through whatever potential flying boat sky roads on top of it with normal transport boats aside

as for the music? Twirling Champion plays the panpipes in it. probably commissioned or volunteered to play in it
as we see in their memory they know Leap - and Performance has expanded on this; they seem to be in a band
the bells in it are played by Leap and Shaman respectively. gotta love the dragon music as we get to hear actual spirit dance/festival music
unsure how it could be playing, but power diamond tech is wacky so we could definitely have some recorder/music player of sorts from it

though they are a travelling troupe it seems so could easily have come from elsewhere

[lyric isle]

hello did you want this

the Fortune dragon sparked a lot of imagination on my end I admit

not necessarily spirit music but music from wherever the Gratitude troupe come from

uh. music sheets. oh no brain is
Sheet 13 is music from where Enchantment crew came from

[nimble ingot]

eyo, apologies for the side track. I was looking through Season of gratitude's final scene and the ingame season page and noticed the sassy drifter (weasel mask that is found in Isle of Dawn) is missing.

Did the devs forgot to add them in the promotional art and end scene?
Or was there a different reason?

Hi @pastel brook

[keen shore]

OH I LOVE THIS IDEA IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Imagining them riding around on it like how the rhythm troupe rides around on their bird,and the band idea is really cute,

As for the music sheet being similar, my headcanon is that gratitude and ench came from the same place (isle) I have lots of evidence for the second one, but admittedly, gratitudes is just based on vibes.
ty for writing it out and pinging me!!

[lyric isle]

YEAH THAT’S BASICALLY THE IDEA

dragon vs big bird. the battle of the ages between the performers

[keen shore]

I have to side with gratitude here, that dragon is too cool to pass up.

I don’t think gratitude & rhythm are the same type of performers if that makes sense? like the first one is hired mostly for celebrations and ceremonies while the second is almost like. a circus

Gratitude would be allowed in the wind paths while rhythm would be banned from it.

[nimble ingot]

hm? how so?

[keen shore]

I don’t know. I feel like juggler would have done something bad

[lyric isle]

juggler has definitely done something bad

look at them. the tiny little clown

walking into an ominous long cave. they are definitely not innocent. radiates sheer unbridled chaos
the kind you don't see on the surface but gradually reveals itself the more you talk

[keen shore]

they snuck into one of the tunnels on the main island that shoot you out with a massive gust of air when you reach the end and almost died

[lyric isle]

in their life?
can spirits die twice

[nimble ingot]

rhythm had a bird theme going strong, and flight had a similar one. Even if the flight season seemingly took a hard left towards mantas near the end.

[lyric isle]

I should draw my absurd spirit relationship charts
it's a mess

[nimble ingot]

Maybe he is shy and wanted to practice his tricks in private.

[keen shore]

flight and rhythm have the same base (bird) but opposite energy I don’t know how to explain it, I don’t know what the two sides of the spectrum are called

[lyric isle]

that would make sense! though I don't really
@keen shore big showy birds vs smol wild kinds?

"domestic wild" is an oxymoron oops

[keen shore]

Full story: rhythm was performing in wind paths one day. juggler snuck into tunnel not knowing about the wind gusts and shot out of one really quickly mid performance and almost died. whacked into flight guide on the way out and was barely saved by manta. while recovering rhey said they wanted to do it again. now the rhythm troupe is banned from the wind paths

[lyric isle]

kind of 🔥 BIRDS 🔥 vs ✨ birds ✨

[keen shore]

YEAHH this makes sense!!! Domestic pigeon vs wild pigeon

[sharp lichen]

Then there’s the “Birds aren’t real” folk

[keen shore]

I thought about it for a bit and that would be abyss I think

[sharp lichen]

Prince as well, since they’re the furthest from any birds

[lyric isle]

beckoning ruler though

[keen shore]

they’re the one making the birds

[lyric isle]

inside their crown is a minecraft style mob spawner

in my completely absurd headcanons for the season the LP spirits are sorta regular spirits but amalgamated with random thoughts given form; who's to say someone hadn't imagined the sort and that latched onto Ruler

the fact that this is legitimately plausible
new headcanon

[sharp lichen]

“A company shill paid by the Isle Elder sent to uproot our values!”

[lyric isle]

I need to actually sort out my LP headcanons into something
they are so disjointed

[marsh rivet]

I've come to look at funni picturs. where are they. where are my funni concept art lore pictures. i want. to see the stone whale. and the funky murals. show me them. i will analyze them. i will hyperfixate on the sky lore if it means i get to look at funni pictures all day.

[spark cairn]

Hello! I'm cooking up a theory but I think it'd be good to have a few more eyes for confirmation
Has anyone ever seen jellyfish and butterflies in the wind paths?

[rigid mural]

I think you only see mantas and birds here :(

[keen shore]

yeha unfortunately vela is correct, but, I am extremely confused on the usage of here

[hushed steeple]

I need a chart of all the relationships ITS ALL ONE BIG BAND WAR

like a Disney channel movie

[spark cairn]

This branches out into a few theories, but the one I'm focusing on is the wind paths are used to help animals that migrate travel safer than to go through hidden forest

[keen shore]

If rhythm is like the sky equivalent of one direction, what would the leap-twirl-cheering spectator-msybe mellow musician band be??

[spark cairn]

Some sort of garage band?

[keen shore]

I agree with them being like a hobby/not super famous band but. the idea of them being equally famous and having a rivalry with rhythm is killing me

[hushed steeple]

kinda just doing it for fun and than them wanting to win against rhythm

[rigid mural]

It's really funny because this makes Twirling Champion the lightseeker with the most development; the guy is a lightseeker, an ice skater (or dancer/racer) and now a musician ? Truly a champion.
I bet you could look up the definition of king and there's nothing but his picture in there.

Anyway I like to think that since Performance Guide eventually got Mellow Musician to join the troupe, then the band likely had enough room for its members to have other hobbies and a life outside music, so perhaps an indie band ? Still very niche, but I bet they got to meet a few fans !

As an aside, I now like to think Cheerful Spectator was watching a race in which Twirling Champion was competing, and cheering on their friend !

[keen shore]

I DIDNT REALIZS THAT ABOUT TWIRLING CHAMPION BUT YOURE RIGHT THATS SO FUNNY (unless. Conspiracy theory. Identical twin)

My headcanon for mellow musician and why I put them as a “maybe” is that they’re one of the band member’s younger siblings, who hangs out with the band sometimes and really admires them hence their guitar. I just think it would be reallu cute (and because in my brain they’re a fair bit younger than everyone else there, like… I don’t know. Late teens/early twenties??)

[outer hare]

Twirling champion is that kid that in the yearbook put his nickname as "Im the King, you're looking for me-" i didnt make this from a headcanon- there was a kid from my old yearbook who had this nickname

[keen shore]

the only issue I am running into is whose younger sibling they would be because I have no idea, although my favorite guess currently is leaping dancer

[formal skiff]

I would be one of those fans

[rigid mural]

I always imagined Mellow Musician actually being the oldest in the theater troupe (though not by that much, maybe they are 25 in a group of 18-20yr olds), and being more at ease with their fellow musicians, that's interesting !

[hushed steeple]

I don’t know if y’all have seen the musical Hadestown but In it the main actor uses a guitar and mellow musician reminds me of him in the theater

[rigid mural]

You're probably not gonna hand a job as risky as being a stagehand to someone super young tho so there's a way stagehand is around musician's age if not slightly older.

I don't really bother thinking about ages tbf though so...

[keen shore]

I also agree with them beig the oldest, just based on vibes although I don’t know by how much. I keep wanting to base the performance spirits’ ages after typical college age but i doubt ancestor school worked the same, so it’s probably feasible that they would be a few years older :3c

As for the mention about stagehands age, you already know about my whole drama class take on it, I imagine the entire village theater as something more informal/like a training theater. So they’d be learning to perform in a larger one I guess

[keen shore]

Also wait, am I misremembering or is leaping dancer the gratitude spirit who showed up in village during a spirit memory or was it someone else?? If so I might be correct her

[rigid mural]

Yeah, but the village theater is certainly bigger than what I got at school, so I like to think that it's something Performance Guide owns (through a parent ?) that they opened up for ancestors interested in performing, hence why only the director has a true bird-shaped mask and the other only are pointy, kinda midway between basic mask and bird mask !

@keen shore leaping dancer shows up in Twirling Champion's memory, and talking to Cheerful Spectator in Bearhug Hermit's memory !

[hushed steeple]

Why do you guys think of the dancer? We talk a lot about the others and I just picture them being related to the forgotten storyteller or being besties

[rigid mural]

It's really a shame Modest Dancer doesn't have much going on yet, but given the flourish they do in Forgetful Storyteller's memory, I like to think they have a mischievous side despite the timidity !

[formal skiff]

They seem quite sweet. Similar vibes to Light Whisperer I think. I feel like they’re good at drawing.

[keen shore]

OOOH THAT JS A REALLY CUTE IDEA. we can combine our ideas and say performance guide spinsored the theater being built or something it’s just really sweet to me imagining the other spirits being their students

Also, I have never noticed that thing with the masks before you mentioned it, Finally I have proof for my headcanon

[rigid mural]

I have this whole headcanon about Rhythm being the twin that left home to pursue their path of being part of a traveling troupe, while Performance is the twin that stayed to take care of what their home town has (both are performers so I like to think it runs in the family).
Perhaps the theater is something the family owned !

[hushed steeple]

New hand cannon thanks to a youtube comment, performance guide is the rhythm guides younger taller brother

[frigid tinsel]

they're confirmed twins, so if they one would be younger it wouldn't be by much

[sharp lichen]

You know that rhythm guide would boast about being 2 minutes older or something

[covert carbon]

My day when I see you guy’s headcanons : 📈📈📈

[runic viper]

how would y'all recommend to get started on this game's lore?
The wiki? any specific youtube videos? anything like this?

[hushed steeple]

In pinned messages here in the lore channel there’s a bunch of docs!

[ember mica]

what on earth did i walk in on

[runic viper]

ah perfect, thank you!

[hushed steeple]

Yeah of course! It’ll help you get the main idea and then we talk about a bunch here too

[runic viper]

ya thats what I want :D

[ember mica]

plus a lot of the lore is up to personal interpretation!! so there’s no right or wrong way to look at it :D

[runic viper]

love that! I just like to know whats the communities' cannon first and then i diverge from it :P

[ember mica]

ofc!! if you want i can summarize what i know, which isn’t a whole lot since i’m still a bit new

[covert carbon]

Welcome Arco!!

[runic viper]

I prefer to read the pinned posts to check the raw info first, but thank you so much

[ember mica]

no problem!!

[frigid tinsel]

the pinned posts is mostly concept art, ideas from the game's development that may or may not be canon and up to debate.
there are google docs others have compiled, such as the lore moth doc for those new to the lore. they're outdated but still useful if you want them

[runic viper]

where can I find those??

[frigid tinsel]

Lore Moff Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

[covert carbon]

Hey guys when I click on my pfp a bunch of things are written underneath? And everyone too? Where do they come from?

[frigid tinsel]

those are server roles

[covert carbon]

Is that a discord thing? I’m not really use to this app

[frigid tinsel]

yes it's a Discord thing

[covert carbon]

I have been diagnosed with “✨tall”
How do they know these things? It’s pretty cool!!

[frigid tinsel]

you prob picked them in #roles

[covert carbon]

Wait I did??? Hold on

Thanks for explaining that to me Alasdair!

[frigid tinsel]

no prob. don't call me Alas.

[covert carbon]

Okay! Sorry about that

[keen shore]

rhythm being one direction is a known fact, I even wrote a joke/meme fanfic about it

[spark cairn]

How long have the ancestors been dead? This boat has almost fully become one with nature

[uncut fern]

That’s up for debate, in my understanding 10,000-20,000 years.

[keen shore]

My guess is somewhere between 50-100 years

[cunning shell]

I feel like it’s different dates depending on which realm you’re focusing on, but that’s a topic that’s neither here nor there

[frigid tinsel]

all we got is that "a long time has passed" since the ancestors died out. we don't know for sure how long that's been

[covert carbon]

Probably hella long

[uncut fern]

If you look at each realm individually, they’re ordered in time periods. Isle being the oldest and Eden being the youngest.

The oldest architecture traditionally is allways simpler because of not having enough technology, recourses, ect. The further a civilization progresses the more complex the architecture gets as they’re able to make those complex designs into reality.

[rapid arrow]

And the spirits and what specific other spirits they line up with is funky too-

[frigid tinsel]

ah, yes, complex

[uncut fern]

Yes that is complex, if you’re analyzing the shapes, materials and how the overall structure works.

[native shoal]

It’s hard to make things look like they’re hanging off with no supports like that

And not have them collapse under their own weight

[bronze arch]

I would not feel safe.
Another reason I wanna work at Nintendo- their HQs are block-shaped not this.

[uncut fern]

That’s funny

But you can clearly see the difference between older and newer architecture.

[frigid tinsel]

too often, people put down traditional older architecutre styles as "simple" or not "technologically advanced" when they are still fascinating feats of engineering with the level of technology that society had at the time. they were also, charastically speaking, complex, culturally significant, and unique. it's shocking to see it put down when such styles have inspired much of the game's worldbuilding.

on the other hand, modern architecture, despite all the potential offered by technology, tends to be visually bland or repulsive, emotionally void, and oftentimes cheap & dangerous. they are a reflection of the isolationist and brutalistic capitalism that's wrecked havoc on contemporary society and seldom artistic.

we were just talking about stupas earlier and wow those are beautiful. also a lot of them have domes which are impressive by any standards. do you know how difficult it is to make your dome stay up?

[native shoal]

Domes 💛

[uncut fern]

It’s one of the hardest things to do. I’m not trying to put down the architecture of old at all, it’s simpler yes, but truly a great feat.

[sharp lichen]

The switch trailer is shown “centuries” before the present, so it has to be a minimum of 200 years. My exact range is about 200-400 years. Ago

[frigid tinsel]

the Switch trailer said "centuries ago, before the stars fell," which while a lot of time to give us, still isn't exact

[sharp lichen]

We will have to estimate (based on real life) how long it took for the world to crumble.

[uncut pond]

Centuries implies it's somewhere between 200 and 999 years so it narrows it down quite a bit compared to a vague "long ago"

I agree with you, it's gotta be around 200-400

[runic viper]

wouldn’t “7036000002679200 centuries” still qualify into the tag “centuries ago”

[uncut fern]

10,000-20,000 years, if you’re talking from the start to end of this civilization. About 1,000 years for it to completely crumble.

[uncut pond]

No, that would stop being "centuries" and would instead be "millenniums" (I think...)

That's how language works, it doesn't fully make sense but it's how it works

[frigid tinsel]

the kingdom seemed to be flourishing to some extent. we don't have evidence of darkstone technology during the scenes in the Switch trailer, which there's still a lot of time for the kingdom to be suffer the effects of.

[runic viper]

Yea ig from a literary pov it doesn’t make sense I was actually hesitant to make that comment bc of it

[rigid mural]

Remember the time period thing ?
Eden changes within given realms too, and it getting progressively more covered up by clouds is what the first intro of the game with the murals showed
These screens are the start and end of the sliding race btw.

[formal skiff]

My Latin nerd self feels the need to inform you that the plural is millennia 💙 /lh

[rigid mural]

I have feelings for you. /j

[uncut pond]

I hate words
Let's abolish language and resort to using emotes instead

[sharp lichen]

Do you know now? The latins have occupied lorechat

[uncut pond]

By latin y'all mean like
Latin latin or like
LatAm

I always get confused

[rigid mural]

Roman Latin

[sharp lichen]

Someone here mentioned that Eden has properties similar to a black hole.Since black holes distort how we view things, maybe it changes how we perceive Eden

[formal skiff]

Dead languages let’s goooo

[uncut pond]

Oh alright thanks for clearing that up

[sharp lichen]

Salem mentioned there’s a high amount of similarities between Latin classes and lorechat

[frigid tinsel]

just like the ancestors' language

[uncut fern]

Like Castellano

[uncut pond]

Castellano is a dead language? Huh, I learn something new every day

[uncut fern]

It is, it’s an off branch of Spanish. It’s practically dead as only one country speaks it, but even then, most of the country only speaks Neutral Spanish.

[rigid mural]

basque probably will outlive us all

[frigid tinsel]

lmao "neutral Spanish." there's no neutral Spanish, there's so many flavors of Spanish you can't cleanse your palate.
also if one country still speaks the language, it's not a dead language.

[uncut pond]

Oh alright... I always thought Castellano was just how Latinos referred to Spain Spanish (I'm a Latino, that's how we use the word here most of the time at least)

[burnt sluice]

How did the spirits we revive get turned to stone?

[frigid tinsel]

darkness petrified them

[burnt sluice]

But when and how

[rigid mural]

we wish we knew

[uncut fern]

I’m also latino and that’s true, it’s also an offbranch

[uncut pond]

No one here knows anything.
This is like philosophy, there's no answers, only more questions

[uncut fern]

Neutral Spanish is a thing, if only 7% of the population of a country speaks it it is considered dead.

[frigid tinsel]

darkness, as a force, consumes and holds onto light. you lose light in dark water and when attacked by krill & crabs. darkness plants seem to grow off of sources of light energy and may be able to capture light creatures to leech off their light.

the petrification process for spirits may be similar as it is for skykids – darkness draws out their light, they slow down until they can't anymore, and perhaps lose consciousness.

light beings rely on light to function. without, they can't function. when darkness overwhelms them, they can't move, hence petrified.

[burnt sluice]

okay

[frigid tinsel]

no language is neutral. people are biased to their own accents and dialects, not realizing it is an accent and a dialect in it of itself. they're just used to it. even if a group were to select which of a language is "official" or "correct," it is still biased to a sect some groups do not speak.

a language is considered dead when 0 speakers are alive. if only 7% of a small country speaks it, then it is an endangered language, not dead.

[uncut fern]

Alrighty.

[hushed steeple]

Got on, saw two people tell me to draw the pre-king era wasteland temple, and now I shall force myself to succomb to peer-pressure./j

As for the real thoughts,

I wonder if ot would be somewhat possible to map out the sky kingdom based on how far away an area is from eden.

[uncut fern]

It is possible, and a challenge.

[rigid mural]

:)

i may have mapped valley using eden to guess how everything was oriented

[formal skiff]

Ooooh?? Show??

[uncut fern]

Nice!

[covert carbon]

Woah Could you show us??

[frigid tinsel]

don't you have a doodle for how different Eden looks in different areas?

[rigid mural]

Lucil the Mistwalker is my OC btw

[formal skiff]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[formal skiff]

THAT’S SO COOL AND BEAUTIFUL

[hushed steeple]

How far even is that tunnel to the village of dreams!

[keen shore]

Roman method acting

[rigid mural]

Keep in mind I went ingame to map this, and had to fiddle with things a bit to make it work together. So it is probably different from what TGC would map !

[formal skiff]

I knew you’d show up to join my Latin shenanigans eventually

[covert carbon]

This is going to be haunting me forever

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids often take naps on their way down

[rigid mural]

I headcanon that like with the wind paths, a good chunk of the way is cut out to not make you spend 10 minutes sliding through mountains (and cut the 3d artists some slack to keep the game lightweight).

[uncut fern]

That makes a lot of sense.

[hushed steeple]

Who wants to see a sky:cotl void continent concept I have of the Bell Hermits of the White Null?

[covert carbon]

Yes please!!!!

[honest nymph]

an ingame map would be very helpful ngl, there wouldnt have to be anything marked off, but it would be useful if we could put the marks instead

[uncut fern]

Should I map hidden forest?

[hushed steeple]

Bell Hermit!!!
A very decieving name, I know. They live inside voidian bells like a hermit crab. If you want to get a general concept of what they sound like, take a kalimba with a tremolo chain on it and shake it side to side upright.

They’re lethal, deadly lethal, forgot to mention that.

[hushed steeple]

It looks nicer in the light, I just wasn’t able to use my flash as it reflected terribly of the lead.

[sharp lichen]

This is far scarier than krills. Imagine them just grabbing you and doing the master hand crush

[hushed steeple]

I have another void concept!

[covert carbon]

They remind me of starfishes! I love em!!

[hushed steeple]

Couldn’t use the flash again. It’s unamed though, the Voidian people didn’t know what exactly to name it.

These reside within the outer void geographical region. Its pitch black there. Now, unlike the bell hermits, these are actually corrupted. Though the people of other continents don’t know how their behavior differs from before as, to their incorrect knowledge, everything in the void is deathly lethal.

And as of now, I am still working on other concepts. Something good about creating the inhabitants of the continent first is that they can help create the different geographical regions for you.

[keen shore]

Where did you learn this definition of a dead language? I’m kind of confused where you got it. Dead languages are simply ones that have no native speakers. If they have even one native speaker, they’re not dead yet.

[hushed steeple]

Fun Fact: The ancestors didn’t really like the voidian people as they blame them for the corruption. But they didn’t hate them, they were still accepted as equal, just a little bit of skeptical dislikeness.

But aproxamately 30 years after the first arrival of our sky kids, the new ancestors, currently dubbed decendants, absolutely hate them for the corruption.(and thats what I call a plot point.)

[uncut fern]

School.

[keen shore]

I don’t have anything significant to add to this but you’re 100% correct. Am super tired of seeing technologically advanced (not as in engineering, as in resources) societies and cultures being seen as superior, it never ends well

I know for a fact that if I had to do any of the math or labor required to make the building you showed without any sort of calculator or tech tools to help me out, I would start crying and die,

[hushed steeple]

While most things you learn in school are true. Sometimes a christopher columbus type situation or instead a mistake can occur

[frigid tinsel]

your school was wrong, or at least oversimplified concepts to the point they lost the details and nuance

[uncut fern]

That can happen, I learned it 12+ years ago.

[keen shore]

Oh, that explains it. An unfortunate amount of misconceptions, myths, and straight up lies are taught in school. For instance, I got taught the “deoxygenated blood is blue” myth and the “we only use 10% of our brains” myth although neither are true. It’s really frustrating and happens an unfortunate amount

[hushed steeple]

If there is ever a moment when wooly manta can’t help. I always have bell hermits……/j

[uncut pond]

Wait so blood actually isn't blue when deoxygenated? I feel hella stoopid now

[hushed steeple]

You shouldn’t feel that way, your school should.

[rigid mural]

i know some people that dont even use their brain tbf

[uncut pond]

I didn't learn it at school, school didn't teach me sh-

[hushed steeple]

oh……………

[uncut fern]

Yup, specially in older school days. Something that’s a straight up lie I was taught is that to be successful you need to study law or medicine. That if you do anything art related you’ll starve.

[uncut pond]

Also let's not even get into history class. That one really has a lotta lies

[hushed steeple]

WHO SHALL I SEND BELL HERMITS AND SKY BOBBIT WORMS UPON!!!!!!!

[covert carbon]

Wait that is a lie???

[uncut fern]

Yup!

[keen shore]

It’s always good to fact check “facts” like the dead language thing you mentioned. They can be really insidious and cause an unfortunate amount of misinformation

[spark cairn]

I sure feel like I only use 10%/j

[uncut fern]

That’s true, sometimes you’re so used to something being a “fact” that you forget to fact check it.

[covert carbon]

I can name about 36 ish bones in the body and that’s about it
(This message Wasn’t supposed to be a reply??)

[uncut fern]

I see.

[rigid mural]

"Where there are souls
We shall seek"
lightseeker psychopomps ?

[frigid tinsel]

opens Google Docs

[rigid mural]

yeeeees

[eager eagle]

Oh ! I do have headcanon some role of spirits could have been psychopomps or even that the king have this role too

[frigid tinsel]

needs to write more of DFT cough

[covert carbon]

WOO

[keen shore]

A list of odd similarities between Latin class and lorechat:

• Unexpectedly disproportionate amount of gay and/or nd people
• Interest in extremely niche subject that most people do not understand
• Frustration with trying to understand a difficult and/or elusive subject that seems continually out of our grasp leads to fast forming bonds and many silly inside jokes
• Whenever someone asks us to translate or explain something, our brain shuts off. You can hear someone crying in the background.
• Gets off track easily talking about fun neat culture facts (and completely unrelated things)
• constant jokes (or are they really jokes…) about every character you discuss being gay
• doesn’t talk about spears as much as I’d like

[uncut fern]

That’s very true

[covert carbon]

((Sorry I don’t know what a DFT is all I’m getting on google it Discrete Fourier Transform))

[keen shore]

Oh and also

• Continuous desire to eat random things out of frustration: translation sheets, Megabird, Julius Caesar,
• low level murderous intent of everyone within. several members have this intent concerningly high

[covert carbon]

Low?

[uncut fern]

I see, and that’s not true

[keen shore]

it’s his fic ahdjakaka, :-)

[frigid tinsel]

It’s my fanfic called Dear Fellow Traveler, a backstory for the Abyss crew and an exploration post-Eden calamity Sky kingdom.

[keen shore]

how is it not true?

[covert carbon]

OH!!! ( psst is it available to read rn or is it still a work in progress)

[uncut fern]

Some of us have a lot of murderous intent.

[runic viper]

I find it to be 100% accurate

[keen shore]

I said that in my message??

several members have this intent concerningly high

[frigid tinsel]

An excerpt from the first chapter

[eager eagle]

That is cool !! I love that !

[sharp lichen]

All of you are wrong. We all have an extremely high amount of murderous intent. I for one would love to dump sand on the rose

[covert carbon]

Woo!!

[frigid tinsel]

I take it out on my characters

[rigid mural]

STOP HURTING THEM THEY HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH

[keen shore]

ok fair you’re probably right. I think it would be everyone has a high level of murderoud intent, although the level of control varies. vela takes theirs out by cheesing me. mine surfaces whenever I am given a table or pipe prop and close proximity to one of my friends ingame

[covert carbon]

Concerned, but same

[frigid tinsel]

✨Just Writing Things✨

[sharp lichen]

After the Calamity will have a bit too much death and decay. Unfortunately most die before the story starts

[uncut fern]

I see, mine is exposed trough art.

[hushed steeple]

I want to write something about sky but idk what yet

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, yea, everyone dies in the fic cos none of the ancestors are alive in the present game so

[keen shore]

I have never met a non murderous writer now that I think about it. They all see an opportunity to torture their characters and their pupils dilate like a cat that sees a moving toy

[sharp lichen]

Cave of Prophecy Coffee Shop AU. They debate whether to call it “Prophee Coffee” or “Prophe-Tea”

[frigid tinsel]

Every writer has at least one character who they torture out of either love or extreme disdain

[keen shore]

just one??? you have like twenty

[hushed steeple]

That is the most wholesome thing I’ve heard all day thank u

[regal forge]

Prophecy coffee shop au??? What are the trials??

[rigid mural]

coffee blends

[covert carbon]

Why do you all have the text equivalent of professional improv from a Shakespearean era actor

[frigid tinsel]

Difference between love and disdain. ex: Amander and Helkipi

[sharp lichen]

Water trial gets the water needed, earth trial provides the coffee grounds, air trial dries it, Fire trial roasts it

[keen shore]

that’s how you pay for the coffee

[covert carbon]

JAHSHKSKJHKK

[sharp lichen]

Kya do all 3

[regal forge]

If you fail??? Do you just get banned forever??
Do they give me decaf instead

[hushed steeple]

I shall!

[keen shore]

The reason why prophecy guides mask has a halo over it is because that’s what they use to roast the coffee (I don’t know how you make coffee)

[strong copper]

If it’s alright can I ask where you’re posting the fic? It sounds interesting.

[regal forge]

No that’s just the bowl

[covert carbon]

My apple-grape fruit rolls have contained 2 rolls in one pack but 3 in the second one, should i open another to see what the average-roll-per-pack is?

[frigid tinsel]

It’ll be in AO3 but I don’t write chronically (I’m trying) so it’ll be a bit before it goes live

[regal forge]

Are you gonna tell me or leave me hanging

[eager eagle]

i imagine the prophecy guide , the one serving the coffee

[covert carbon]

VERY exciting results , either I got two rolls that are stuck together or a very big singular one

[strong copper]

That’s fine I can’t wait to read it when it gets posted!

[regal forge]

Cursed concept:
Tinder but in sky

Catfished by crab whisperer again

[keen shore]

that happened to me three times smh

[hushed steeple]

Same! They’d be the head of the coffee house

[regal forge]

Crab whisperer is catfishing with the other lightseekers photos

[covert carbon]

Unfavourable, as much as this mystery roll is impressive in its thickness, it was a horrible experience to chew

[hushed steeple]

Should I write it in story format?

[keen shore]

I have to wonder what the spectrum from love to disdain is for each of them.,

[strong copper]

Is that a picture of Philza?

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[covert carbon]

( i was too scared to ask I’m so glad this is settled )

[strong copper]

Same

[sharp lichen]

Good. Do it. Post it on AO3 and you will get billions of kudos. It will win best Sky fic of 2022. I NEED THIS. ILL EVEN MAKE IT CANON IN MY OWN STORIES

[strong copper]

Honestly I wish we had more sky fics

[hushed steeple]

Sameee I’ve found my people

[covert carbon]

GO FELLOW WRITERS!!!!

[hushed steeple]

GO GO GO

[keen shore]

that reminds me I need to do some plotting stuff

[strong copper]

I plan on writing pretty much a fic of sky for a project and I might post it might not. I’m not sure since I want to include the lore crumbs we have

[sharp lichen]

There’s a bit in AO3 but yes I agree. Fanfic.net is notably absent though

[eager eagle]

Aaaaa go for it everyone !!!

[strong copper]

But even I don’t exactly know or understand the bits of lore we have. It can get confusing. I did find a document with a pretty decent summary of canon lore and speculations. But I still don’t know everything, especially all the areas in sky.

[sharp lichen]

We can help you a lot! Do you have any specific questions in mind?

[keen shore]

honestly angel we don’t know either

[covert carbon]

Love the different approaches to this

[eager eagle]

Yes ! Go for it and if you have question, don't hesitate !! You can create many stories and theories with thing you can see in game and here in the lore chat

[covert carbon]

Currently on my fourth pack, the truth is revealed to me, but at what cost? Now I’m stuck with the idea that I was missing a roll In my first package, having a terrible time

[sharp lichen]

Oh I found a mature rated fic called ultra violence I need to read this

[ember mica]

woe is zeph, and woe upon the gods’ cursed rolls….

[native shoal]

How bad are the warnings on it?

[sharp lichen]

None. The fic is in Chinese and contains “Alien gods that coexist with the world in the chaotic era of heaven and earth” jeez this is Sky turned up to 11

[keen shore]

these rolls are a metaphor for something bu I’m not sure what

[covert carbon]

Man sorry I’m. Nnot feeling like myself ate to many rolls

[runic viper]

Has this been noted already?
someone (maybe the King) was trying to raise Eden to above the skies? In the intro cinematic there is a city which has one piece that seems to be raising

[sharp lichen]

Still, you were ||~**ON A ROLL **~||

[sharp lichen]

Eden is a really weird place. Time distortions, time loops, and astronomical theories reign. I do think the Eden Diamond made some weird alterations to the castle that caused it to fly

[covert carbon]

Everyone please leave the chat momentarily, I want to talk with Baudshaw for a minute/j

There’s one left (of rolls)

[runic viper]

leaves

[sharp lichen]

MORE ON A ROLL JOKES! MORE!

[ember mica]

i think neil cicirega is canon to the sky universe

[uncut pond]

doesn't elaborate any further
Based

[hushed steeple]

Also I apologize- I’m not the best at writing this type of stuff more of like songs

[ember mica]

no i can prove it

oh my god it’s a skykid and neil cicirega from lemon demon (REAL) (NOT FAKE) (LORE)

[covert carbon]

Thé Roll: ate

[raw crypt]

Neil Cicierega collabed with Vincent Diamante to write an opening number for the season of performance but it was scrapped despite being in beta 😔 /j

[ember mica]

NOOOOOOOOOO WE COULD HAVE HAD CABINET MAN IN SKY REAL……

[covert carbon]

Tragedy

[ember mica]

also i got distracted looking into neil cicirega’s eyes but this so funny omg

[sharp lichen]

THATS WHAT CICREGA LOOKS LIKE??
Who even is he

[frigid tinsel]

he's Lemon Demon

[covert carbon]

He’s the lemon demon guy right?? Anyways, imagine if we pronounced the « e » in « lemon » as if it was the « e » in « demon » and vice versa

[ember mica]

he’s half human and half machine

[white junco]

is he ok

did the chibi get him or did he get away

[keen shore]

I was just listening to cabinet man ???

[ember mica]

the chibi bashed in his face with a crowbar (ow)

[covert carbon]

Fun fact ! ! ! My messages don’t send if one of the letters have an accent on them?

[frigid tinsel]

wait why is Neil Cicrega in lorechat

[keen shore]

touch tone telephone is about this channel specifically

[covert carbon]

Visited only occasionally by the maintenance man 😔

[stable veldt]

OMG NIEL CICIREGAAA

what's poppin lorechat, i'm always lurkin'

[regal forge]

This cosmic manta in starlight desert can’t decide where to take me
But hey did you guys know there a cosmic manta in starlight desert

[strong copper]

I would say that my main questions right now are about the elders. What exactly are they and why do we go to a different place during the cutscenes?

[ember mica]

the rap in ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny is actually about the war neil cicirega told me himself

[hushed steeple]

Ty!

[regal forge]

It came from the rulers island direction. Just sorta flying around with me now—

[white junco]

oh I love that manta!! I think it just flies around the area

[regal forge]

I also love this manta

[hushed steeple]

The manta should be named

[amber creek]

Mantas that you can ride and the tiny ones are the best bois

[ember mica]

neil cicirega

[raw crypt]

Starlight desert manta my beloved, they just fly in loops iirc

[white junco]

the only french manta in sky

[frigid tinsel]

Starlight Desert manta yoinking skykids heading for the winged light under the king's island

[white junco]

"you shall not pass"

[rigid mural]

While we're at it, I always thought Ancient Aliens could fit the coming of Sky Kids to the Prophecy Caves from the POV of the questgiver

[ember mica]

my hands start shaking towards my drawing tablet but no i have ap tests i have to control mmysefl

[amber creek]

Thanks for reminding me that it's finals week 😒😒😒😒😒 lol

[ember mica]

no animatics until after my tests

[frigid tinsel]

laughs in graduated

[uncut fern]

Hello lore chat

[amber creek]

TWO TESTS LEFT!!! and school is a toxic relationship because I want it to be over but I don't want it to be over because I have to take tests first help

[hushed steeple]

I’m just waiting for the school year to be over

[ember mica]

lemon demon just has such good songs for animatics i can’t help myself

[eager eagle]

I don't know about rulers but i could say, my headcanon, they are powerful being compared to ancestors, each of them have specific roles and powers for the world and are the one making spirits ascending, you can see the constellation forming after giving them powers. You also can see in the prophecy cave painting, them using elemtary lights (fire , water , air and earth)
I hear that they are not really really present in the world ? More like the trial, you go to a weird space ? ,,,, Sorry if it don't help Hope it is ok to respond

[sharp lichen]

They are the leaders of each Realm. Biologically, I think they’re higher levels of the Ancestor. My personal theory is that they escaped to a world where they can rest easily for a very long time, and stayed there.

In each cutscene, the Elder shows us what wondrous things we can do with our candle, so I believe that’s the lore reason why we go to them

[ember mica]

lemon demon AND mitski bro…..these songs got hands. after ap tests i’m gonna be a sky animatic gremlin

[amber creek]

I got lore depression right now. What's the point when we have nothing solid to speculate about and nothing is really confirmed or ever will be confirmed

[ember mica]

man…

[hushed steeple]

If it makes you feel better we have a fun community and head cannons are fun to make! Maybe we can beg for lore stuff

[native shoal]

Wooly Manta

[sharp lichen]

Just remember that we are the authors of the lore bible. We have the power of creating such powerful theories and headcanons that that they eventually become accepted. We can solve a world shrouded in mystery and find all its aspects. We can customize the lore and request for it to be changed.

[amber creek]

Honestly I like this chat for headcanons more now. I feel like with lore we just repeat ourselves (no offense at all) just because there's only so much we can work with and it's all subjective

[ember mica]

since the lore is mostly up to personal interpretation it’s up to the individual to make up the lore for themselves

[sharp lichen]

The definition of lore is “a body of knowledge.” That is it: we are constantly finding new things to add to this body and increase the amount of details that are available.

[amber creek]

I'm trying to 100% the constellations right now so I cut me some slacks it's a depressing task 😂

[sharp lichen]

Remember: all you need to create a theory is an idea and evidence for that idea. We have made theories on absolutely everything, and so we are refining it.

[amber creek]

I was on fandom wiki and someone broke down how much it costs to 100% everything and oh boy I have a lot of work to do. There will never be enough hearts but I don't want to take all of my partners candles away for that

[sharp lichen]

Prepare everyone I have a theory to post:

[covert carbon]

Baudlorebaudlorebaudlore

[keen shore]

And just wanting goofy headcanons is okay as well. The complex theories aren’t for everyone; that is fine. They are not all this channel has — they just make up a portion of it.

Although I do like making theories, it can be depressing to see them take up the entire channel and be considered as it’s main focus 100% of the time. A lot of them are heavily interrelated and rely on knowing about other theories to be understood, making them intimidating for newer arrivals. Sometimes us debating over them and picking them apart can look a lot like arguments, and be equally intimidating for newer arrivals (it was hard for me to get into theories bc of anxiety). I can totally understand people preferring and wanting to discuss their silly headcanons over canon chasing

We do unfortunately repeat ourselves Somewhat in terms of theories, but that’s less because of not being able to make much and more because those specific points are just what people want to talk about

[rigid mural]

I'm here to cheese Salem and nothing else.

Exhibit A:

[keen shore]

yeah this is pretty much the truth

[amber creek]

We need a scribe for this channel but it's too chaotic and the Google doc would be massive

[frigid tinsel]

I like discussing more thought-out theories in depth. the goofy headcanons are fine but they have their place. if they overtook the channel 100% of the time, it'd be no different than #cozy and I wouldn't really enjoy it.

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[keen shore]

I do also like the thought out theories I just… I don’t know how to phrase this? I just don’t like when they take up 100% of the channel because I like options

[covert carbon]

Forgot what a scribe was, was thinking about inscryption

[rigid mural]

I like talking about the deep themes in the game such as legacy, hope, renewal and all but I tend to repeat myself so I just default to just...

[upbeat kernel]

Hello

[harsh pecan]

Hi

[native shoal]

I am here to submit silly but plausible ideas and nothing else

[frigid tinsel]

I've still been feeling mentally worn out lately but before that I enjoyed writing about my thoughts on this game's world, both silly and serious. I don't mind switching between the two modes but I don't want to burn myself out on the funny stuff before I can discuss the more in-depth things too.

[native shoal]

And also the rare sketch

[sharp lichen]

Let’s see if your observation is true Salem

Prophecy-Enchantment Lights theory.

The Prophets created the trials to see who would be fit for the next ruler of Sky.
Many people attempted to complete the trials but failed, until one Chosen One came.

They foresaw the Elemental Lights being handed over to the Elders.
Because of this, they decided to give their powers (in the form of Elemental Lights) to the wider Sky kingdom first (Aurora and Sanctuary), then the Elders.
Each Light came from one prophet: so cyan light came from the Prophet of Air, etc. The shared powers of the Prophets were used to create Red Light and Purple Light: which are based on Concealment and Mind, respectively.

The Elders used these lights to enhance the Sky world, but the Sky kingdom started to decline. So, they sent the Lights to a newly formed Enchantment Crew and tasked them to build a wondrous new world.
However, they failed.The Lights returned to the places they were most comfortable in.

The Lightseekers wanted to use the Elemental Lights, but they couldn’t, so they pursued other forms of light.

Evidence: The Locations for the Lights in the Prophecy mural shows their most desirable location, which fits with what we see in the present.
Blue Light is a bit weird, but if we consider the Valley to have been less frozen in the Kingdom’s past, it could fit.
Green Light is found in Prairie.
Cyan light is found high above clouds.
Orange Light is found in Forest.

Additionally,
Red Light is shrouded in a hard-to-reach area, fitting with its power of concealment.
Purple Light is in the Vault of Knowledge, fitting with its powers of mind and imagination.

The symbols for the Prophecy Elements and Enchantment Lights are the same.

The Elders are seen using the Lights in murals.

The Lights are not used by anyone besides the Enchantment crew, implying that they are the intended users of it.
Credit to Salem for their brilliant theories about the Lights, especially Purple Light

[rigid mural]

Lore chat artists unite

[native shoal]

This is all I have as of this moment

[rigid mural]

AMAZING

[covert carbon]

You know what, this is canon to me now

[amber creek]

I was an enchantment moth so it has never occurred to me that the lights would have lore to them . . .. (and I forgot that they were apart of that season)

[covert carbon]

Could I be part of the lore chat artists?

[sharp lichen]

An example would be the “timelines” comment that TGC made. The entirety of lorechat begged for a correction, and it happened.

[ember mica]

once ap tests are over and i have time to draw again i would love to be part of the lore chat artists

[keen shore]

That was a typo being fixed, not fixed lore being changed though

[amber creek]

That spirit has always been a Steve to me thank you for this

[rigid mural]

Just for that, you won at lore chat art.

[native shoal]

If someone mentions talented builder and I like the idea I will draw it

[sharp lichen]

Even still, it shows that we’re not just passerbys commenting on lore

[sharp lichen]

A date with the Light Whisperer and Talented Builder involving Wooly Mantas ||do not ask how I got this idea||

[ember mica]

vela i have to say i forgot that ancient aliens existed as a song and now u have me listening to it on repeat

[hushed steeple]

AWWW

[covert carbon]

It’s an honor

[amber creek]

I have a theory about the eye of Eden, where exactly you are for that final part and why you get spit out in a different area but I don't have the mental capacity

[hushed steeple]

Light whisper and talented builder

[sharp lichen]

Hey||~creek~||, do it later! I want to see it!

[rigid mural]

AS YOU SHOULD

[amber creek]

This is the exact pun I love to see with my name that's why it's my username for everything

[native shoal]

I like this time to get references for them both

[ember mica]

i’m taking a brief break from my 7 hour study session to draw silly little memes for the silly little lore chat

[keen shore]

I’m trying to comprehend to discuss this but I keep reaching like the second paragraph and my reading comprehension dies, will be BADK in morning
The only thing I will mention is that I’m confused where you got the proph murals being the lights desirable locations form as there are many diff imterpretstions for those, and the locations shown there are not the same ones we find them in

no I’m not going to bed

[covert carbon]

Salem if I go to bed, will you too?

[keen shore]

No

[sharp lichen]

I’m only going to sleep if you are

[amber creek]

You do you Salem I'll be up for another 3 hours

[native shoal]

Didn’t include the spirits but have a restless brand Wooly Manta

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve slept 14 hours already, I’m not going to bed

[keen shore]

It’s not sleepy tired it’s like general exhaustion/brain fog which is why

[sharp lichen]

Then log off.

[frigid tinsel]

For me it’s allergies

[keen shore]

to be honest, I don’t appreciate being told how to take care of myself. It’s not like I can’t read or form thoughts in this state, just that reading long paragraphs and responding lengthily to them isn’t something I have the energy for at the moment.

[rapid arrow]

Honestly, I get that. It’s not like your tired you brain is just going at the speed of internet explorer

[amber creek]

Idk your time zones but I'm a night owl. I got an hour before I have to seriously start getting ready for bed. Est gang rise up

[keen shore]

I’m mid flare up at the moment. If I slept every time I was tired or didn’t log on to discord, I’d sleep for days on end and you’d never see me

[frigid tinsel]

Night owl but body hates me

[sharp lichen]

Oh sorry, i thought it would be a fun joke in the same vein as the “go to bed” reactions

[rapid arrow]

I’m either way to awake for my own good, or at the point of passing out

[sharp lichen]

Say, Salem why do you use specifically a yellow heart for reacting? Is it because it’s the color of cheese

[keen shore]

No, because yellow roses signify friendship, :-)

[sharp lichen]

WAIT THEN

[covert carbon]

Yellow is a cool color!

[amber creek]

I use pink hearts for my friend group chats because I like pink and blue for my partner because his response to seeing my blue homecoming dress when we first started dating was "it's beautiful!!!!! 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙"

[rigid mural]

I thought it was a warm color

[covert carbon]

Vela.

[frigid tinsel]

I used to use purple Heart 💜 but I started disliking how it looks on mobile iOS so I switched to green 💚

[keen shore]

I also like the thought of having a unique heart color so that others can see at a glance that I’m the one who reacted happily to something so I picked yellow

[rigid mural]

It works, I now know that yellow hearts are you and green ones are Alasdair.

[rapid arrow]

I personally like the orange heart 🧡 but I like all the hearts. Very pretty

[keen shore]

It’s just a really nice imprint of myself to leave I’m not sure if that makes sense :-) like an I was here

[uncut fern]

🖤 is me.

[frigid tinsel]

Unique emote for those without nitro

[covert carbon]

Oooh!! We totally should have our special heart!!

[keen shore]

if I had nitro I would so be spamming everyone with the tethowo emotes

[sharp lichen]

Same for me: I use the white heart because my pfp’s hair is white: but I think it better represents my boomerism

I’ve been in lorechat for 1.5 years jc

[covert carbon]

Okay so we have white, orange, yellow, green and black

[sharp lichen]

Come get it quickly or we’ll run out of them:

[frigid tinsel]

There’s only 18 default heart emotes

[amber creek]

You rich nitro people gotta make your own personal emotes lol

[keen shore]

Man, more heart emotes than lorechat regulars /j

[covert carbon]

Wait guys what heart should I pick???

[frigid tinsel]

Whatever appeals to you

[covert carbon]

Making desisions, my weakness

[rapid arrow]

🫀<— someone should get this heart/j

[tough coral]

that one's mine! 🫀

[keen shore]

Vela’s heart is the cheese emote. I am declaring this to be true. Whenever they cheese me it is a sign of their love and appreciative ness of me. The truth does not matter /j

[rapid arrow]

HAH.

[fickle wing]

the orb ponderers

[rigid mural]

ORB

[covert carbon]

I’ll take purple, if that’s ok?💜

[amber creek]

💖 snatched because I'm basic why is this not pink discord get your stuff together

[noble ferry]

wooly but somewhat in the style of a monster hunter icon

[keen shore]

something about all the orbs combined being boat shmgbol hmmm

[covert carbon]

I’m going to bed now, Goodnight fellas!!!!💜

[uncut fern]

Good night!🖤

[ember mica]

lore chat i’m in the midst of my studying so this is all i can muster atm but am i accepted into the lore chat artists with my offering of a crudely drawn performance guide and their moth

[uncut fern]

Amazing!

[maiden reef]

Someone said this chat had more wholesome art than the art chat

[sharp lichen]

Alert: theory coming through! Welcome to lorechat, aureolin!

[maiden reef]

Hello!

[uncut fern]

That was me!

[eager eagle]

Performance guide is really proud of their moths and i love that

[rapid arrow]

Welcome, we have theories, hours were we are bouncing off the walls, and cheese?!

[raw crypt]

I LOVE THIS IMAGE SO MUCH
WEEPS 💕💕

[maiden reef]

H u h ?

[ember mica]

one of these days i’ll get around to drawing some spirits in my more stylized art but for now, i am banished back to the realms of ap european history review

[uncut fern]

That’s the pure truth! Also it’s very similar to Latin clases. Some of us are very murderous!

[sharp lichen]

DO NOT QUESTION IT

Anyways, here are my interpretation on the Light locations:

The Orange Light of Fire is the least debatable. It’s clearly in a forest, we find it in the Hidden Forest.

The Green Light of Earth is a bit more difficult. However, the phrase associated with it “they are gifts to the earth from the Sky” gives a clear answer: mantas drop Green Light to the ground. So, the ideal
location is Prairie, more specifically the Bird’s Nest.

The Cyan Light of Air’s phrase is “Lingers among the early gusts of the wind.” The “early gusts” could mean 2 things: young or in the morning. In either case, it fits with Isle.

This leaves the Blue Light of Water. This one’s a bit difficult, and I can’t explain it well besides the fact that wasteland and vault aren’t nature-friendly environments. I have an idea, however: the phrase says “mountain lake”, and the in the Prophecy mural, the Light is surrounded by a lake.
@keen shore here’s my response now I’m sneep snorping

[maiden reef]

Bouncing off the walls and uh...cheese?-

[rapid arrow]

Yes

[ember mica]

i also sometimes talk about furries, homestuck and taste things upon request. your pfp tastes like grass.

[maiden reef]

Its hydrangea cookie-

[ember mica]

you will get used to my homestuck posting eventually dear victim. farewell, i must return to the War of the 3 Henrys

[rapid arrow]

Welcome to lore chat!
But yeah in here it’s sometimes chill sometimes we have theories and sometimes we are toddlers hyped up on pixie sticks

[keen shore]

something is bothering me about this. This is the cyan light in prairie, not isle. If the enchantment lights returned to their best locations then it would have gone to prairie, not isle

[maiden reef]

Also why not um- add my loaf cat here

Yea-

Ok once last photo of my cat

[sharp lichen]

That’s an observation I thought about as well. In Reality, the only point of contention is the floating islands themselves. Without them, it’s clearly Isle.
But still, I would think it’s Isle. There could’ve been parts of the Sky world that were modified (like The Valley shown in the blue light mural), and maybe Isle had floating islands. Even if it’s not, it could’ve just been a thing that’s just there, similar to the tiny island in the Blue Light mural

[sharp lichen]

OK NOW I HAVE TO ACTUALLY SNEEP SNORP IM GONE BYE

[maiden reef]

Alright gonna go to art chat. Hope you enjoyed my cat photos-

[keen shore]

I absolutely adore this image. so much.

[uncut fern]

Sleep well!🖤

[eager eagle]

Also ! Maybe Valley did change at some place ! Maybe not much like Isle of dawn or golden wastedland but that everything is ice and lakes are gone ? Where the blue light is could be a lake

[uncut fern]

Salem get sneep snorp.

[uncut fern]

It’s an ice rink currently but that makes a lot of sesne.

[frigid tinsel]

Valley ice rink used to have water underneath it but apparently devs said it "wasn't real water" and with the Season of Abyss update it was removed, perhaps so moths wouldn't drown

[uncut fern]

I see

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[uncut fern]

Alrighty! Do as you wish but do get some sneep snorp.

[rapid arrow]

Wasn’t real water?! But funny but a bit scary

[noble ferry]

hmmmm yes feline lore
the finest of sky lore

[ember mica]

it was the tears of every advanced placement student shed this week

[native shoal]

Window cat

[noble ferry]

cat in sky when
imagine just one on your head

[frigid tinsel]

can't remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines of "imaginary"

[native shoal]

You didn’t have to call me out like that

[ember mica]

(in the accent of an inmate) what tests you takin

[native shoal]

AP English language and composition. Thing is ✨bad things✨ happened during that half of the school year so I remember absolutely nothing about it

[ember mica]

wait i’m in the same boat w/ english 😭😭 my teacher got fired halfway thru the year so we completely switched curriculums with my new one

[uncut fern]

Time to map forest!

[keen shore]

@frigid tinsel experiences this every time he takes me candle running with piggy back

[uncut fern]

Rough sketch for the map.

[frigid tinsel]

cat mask when. no not the weasel mask

[keen shore]

The days after a cat mask comes out I will not wear anything else ever

[rigid mural]

cat ears head prop

[eager eagle]

Cat mask for Salem , cat mask for Salem !!

[rigid mural]

Kitty ears bouncing as you go. And it's cheap so we can see moths with them.

[keen shore]

I steal one of slink’s $20 bills, scribble something on the back, and slide it to the devs. It says “isle season with cat mask”

[native shoal]

The animal masks are cool. When I got the Ox/Bull mask I wore nothing else for a month

[rigid mural]

Sassy Drifter's braver sibling.

[keen shore]

There’s a disporpotiate amount of almost-domestic-cats in isle (sassy drifter, fire prophet) but none of them have committed and gone full catperson. Follow forest elders example, you know you want to.

[rigid mural]

We need an even fruitier stance.

[keen shore]

this convo has somehow reminded me that belonging ancestor honks in the cosmic manta voice and I’m not sure what to think abt that, because it means they’ve probably been to vault at some point

[eager eagle]

Wait , who do cosmic manta voice ? Grandma ?

[rigid mural]

Which one ? Grandma mimics our calls, she makes the last one she heard !

[keen shore]

Yeah, I prefer calling them belonging ancestor/guide because it makes it more obvious theyre agender and is their canon name, instead of gendering them. And I didn’t know that that’s so cool!!

[frigid tinsel]

Yea Granny mimicks skykids’ calls, that’s prob where they picked it up

[eager eagle]

Also i can imagine the grandpa wanting to share their discovery in vault, could be cute

[rigid mural]

Grandma (nonbinary)

[frigid tinsel]

I call them Granny but use they/them pronouns for them

[keen shore]

That’s fair considering granny could reasonably stand for grandparent

[uncut fern]

Quick forest map!

[frigid tinsel]

in my ficverse, I'm only using gender neutral or unisex terms but have been considering doing some genderfunking by using gendered terms. everyone is still agender yet any nonbinary person could use gendered terms if they want and still be nonbinary

[keen shore]

Someone compliments another persons pronouns and gets the response “thanks I made them myself!!!”

[frigid tinsel]

neopronouns are dope but everyone uses they/them in my fic

[raw crypt]

MY $20!!!
its ok its for a good cause

[ember mica]

as someone who almost exclusively uses neopronouns i use them in fic whenever i can (grinch smile)

[frigid tinsel]

at the same time, gender neutral terms don't get enough love. for parents, I'm fond of nini and ba/baba. nibling is a neat term. joyfriend is pretty cool

we do have a sovereign called the king in canon but they're still agender. gendered terms aren't out the window, but I'd like to show more attention to gender neutral alternatives

[keen shore]

IM SORRY I NEEDED JT AND YOUR PILE WAS RIHT THERE

[keen shore]

some spirits wojld also almsot definitely make up their own pronouns and use them so it’s canon compliant 👍

[ember mica]

slaps the roof of prophecy guide this bad boy can fit so much it/its in it

[keen shore]

prophecy guide saw new pronouns in a dream and immediatley adopted them

[ember mica]

it’s just like me fr

[white junco]

I always interpreted the murals before the caves as like. warning of the power the prophecy lights contain. The blue light summons rain and causes flooding, the orange light causes a forest fire, the cyan light can make floating islands, and the green light can bring life to any area

also i interpreted it as like. the prophecy lights are extremely powerful and dangerous natural phenomena that the elders/prophets sealed away in a cave behind trials for the safety of the realms. I mean these lights look like they might’ve shaped the realms. whereas the enchantment lights might be weaker, artificially made versions of them, which is why we have two new colors: split the light orbs into the different colors and boom, magic. and rainbows. I remember Ash saying the two seasonal lights were related “in a sense” so that could be what’s going on there

[outer hare]

bobbit- after 4 hours

[nimble ingot]

Still quiet?
How is everyone doing?

[rigid mural]

[I was looking for something, don't mind me.]

Can we do that for Performance guide 🐧

If the Performance guide is not seen ascending in the last quest, I am drawing their elder bird sona.

[regal forge]

Considering the handstand champion fell after doing a handstand in their spirit memory
Do you think they’re jealous sky kids did it first try and just cartwheel into a standing position after we do it

[sharp lichen]

I dreamt about lorechat??
Oh no what’s going on with me
I am horrified

[ember mica]

good morning lore chat i’m going crazy

[smoky cipher]

I don't know a lot about sky's lore so can anybody explain what's with the elders, what's with the prince, what's with the king, and what's with the stuff that's happened with ||Eden..?||
Just wanted to know cus I'm interested at it

[safe sphinx]

hey lorechat! you know that scene in eden when we're ||soaring straight up to orbit?|| what's that floating island there with the castles? is that where the prince lived?

[sharp lichen]

The Prince and King are extremely mysterious figured. They only exist in concept art. The only canon theory we have is that the King is the Eden Elder.

The giant diamond you see in Eden spewed out a massive amount of darkness a while ago, causing the Storm of Eden.

The Elders are the leaders of each realm, with each of them having a specific power. They are in a separate dimension to increase their longevity.

@safe sphinx The Eden Castle probably used to be the home for the Eden Elder.

[safe sphinx]

ah

cool story

[smoky cipher]

I see, I also saw a part of the concepts that the vault elder also made an ark to do something with Eden
Also does the megabird have something to do with anything other than them being the god of the world (like, anything known so far?)

[safe sphinx]

is it also the diamond that we see at the end of all the realms? especially in starlight desert towards the right?
in other words, is that diamond the same as the power diamond where we go past point of no return?

[smoky cipher]

I suppose so, it is pretty much like the core of eden

I swear I saw some stories (probably just head canons?) here that the King did something with the diamond and gave all their light to the diamond and it ended up getting himself corrupted by the darkness

Man I am so confused
Also, some people said that the diamond is the main reason why theres a storm in eden and others say it's because of the ark hitting over the diamond that caused a big explosion and the storm to happen
I don't know which one is the actual thing that happened

[cunning shell]

I’m pretty sure that there is no actual lore as to what happened, so take your pick of headcanons

[smoky cipher]

Ah alright then
I wish tgc made a season that had something to do with Eden and it's lore

[regal forge]

Before you get to the big castle floating
The same collection of all the elders statues we see in vault are there. Same order as they are in vault too

[smoky cipher]

Ohhh rightt
I've seen that a couple of times now, wondered why it was there

[regal forge]

I theorize vault of knowledge is a part of the wasteland Temple (it doesn’t have a realm outside like the others, nor does vault elder have a literal temple) and vault elder was actually elder of eden
(Not the king or prince but an elder watching over a realm and the king was just the main ruler of all the realms)

[nimble ingot]

(Can't stick around for long, but can't help but lurk about.)
You may want to look at the mural in Vault, the one that depicts Eden in the all Elders cutscene.

It Shows the elder (The King) holding an orb. While there are some theories about the orb.
Some suggest its a lightseeker orb, it could be a fallen star, a mote of light (another way to describe a ball of light), the megabird's eye or even a soul.

Either case, this mural may be the best clue in the game to what has happened.

[sharp lichen]

My headcanon is that the Eden diamond absorbed all the light around it to be used to give infinite power to the Sky world, but it broke/got corrupted.

[safe sphinx]

the ark hitting the diamond?
like the forgotten ark hitting the diamond like the titanic hitting the iceberg?

[regal forge]

Do you think the diamond was actually that big? Or did it just g r o w

[sharp lichen]

I believe it symbolizes the Apple: since it’s called the Eye of Eden, maybe the King got tempted by something.
I think he got influenced by the idea of darkstone. It worked for a while, but he took it to such extremes that it destroyed the Sky world.

[smoky cipher]

Oh yeah if anybody doesn't know what ThatDisaster's talking about here's a pic

It's a bit far away in the pics but yeah, it's there

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, it’s shrouded in mystery. The only thing we can do is make the theory that fits the best narratively. Will you join us in creating this theory?

[smoky cipher]

Yeah

[smoky cipher]

Also I'm down for it xD

[safe sphinx]

it looks like the original eden end scene from light awaits

[regal forge]

Power diamond: minding its business
Forgotten ark: 🧍

[safe sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-and-patrick-driving-snow-gif-12898557

did the gif load for your guys ;-; it's an empic embed fail for me

[sharp lichen]

It didn’t load either: this place is filled with epic embed fails

[safe sphinx]

speaking of the forgotten ark how did it get all the way out to wasteland?

[regal forge]

Loaded for me :3

[safe sphinx]

the link works it just won't load here

[sharp lichen]

It could’ve departed from Wasteland. Read my Enchantment-Prophecy theory for more: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[safe sphinx]

:0 how are yall so smart

[nimble ingot]

As a symbol for the forbidden fruit based on the Eden connotation, very much so.
In Greek myth, (if I understood the mythos correctly) fire is what gave mankind the advance in technology, what was taken from the gods and brought knowledge and destruction.
In biblical text (Christianity), the forbidden fruit (apple) was from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (essentially everything)

[smoky cipher]

Dang I can't find the imgur post with the infos about the elders
I wanted to recheck something there

[sharp lichen]

Passion substitutes for intelligence here

[regal forge]

Do we know anything about the ceremonial worshipers in prairie?
Their graves are decorated and have a lot of candles in front of each one, seem well cared for, plus… their ceremonial worshippers

Also what’s with prairie elders obsession with pots
They’re even in the floors

[smoky cipher]

Possible that maybe even the spirits who reside in the realm are also into pots

[sharp lichen]

Pots were used to store butterflies.
I’m head-canoning that they’re shrines used to worship either Megabird or us. They are a worshipper, so they probably have to believe in some sort of faith.

[regal forge]

Did they fix the floor with pots??
Stashing them their to hide them??? Why?
Why are their pots in your floor prairie elder???

[regal forge]

Prairie elder is a butterfly hater and I won’t be convinced otherwise

You know we talk about murals a lot but im just interested in whoever was in bird nest, saw all the birds, and said “let’s draw as many as possible on the inside of this one tower”

[sharp lichen]

They literally summon butterflies and store them in pots. I find it difficult to believe they hate butterflies.

[regal forge]

Yes, but
As someone who loved ladybugs
The moment I had to deal with as many ladybugs as they have butterflies: I can’t even look at one now without remembering my hatred
With how many butterflies they have in their temple and realm they definitely got tired of them at some point. Not to mention the fact they told the single butterfly that was flying around to get in the pot
“Get in their and don’t come out”
I picture they sigh everytime a skid releases butterflies into their temple
It’s not like they’d hurt one but they’ll shoo them and try to control the hoards

I had even more reasons as to why but it’s Gonna take me a while to remember them—

[nimble ingot]

the jars could be storing food instead of butterflies..

[cunning shell]

Butterfly jam

Do you think that honey exists in Sky? Giant bumblebee mantas

[static meteor]

what is wasteland elder's name again i totally forgot and it's on the tip of my tongue-

[nimble ingot]

That would be very cool if there were.
Imagine the jars in the day elder temple being jars of honey.

[regal forge]

The prairie elder would also be annoyed with butterflies because as they’re loose in the temple they have to deal with the bright light of them all, the constant high pitched ‘gigggling’, flying sporadically and crashing into them, each other, skids, pot, etc.