lore-discussion-spoilers

[karmic ledge]

i am honored

[rigid mural]

Who worked on that season's designs by the way ?

[keen shore]

in recent seasons there’s been this reoccurring theme of “one spirit whose gender everyone wants to steal” and I really appreciate that trend

[formal skiff]

Thank you for giving all of the enbies gender envy. We request at least one per season. You fulfilled the quota last time with cannoneer.

[karmic ledge]

If you mean Performance: I did characters this season! but I was also helped a lot with crafting their personalities by Nick, our animator Bishop (who unfortunately isnt really on discord), and also with the guidance of Yui too!

[fickle wing]

cannoneer w the feral pirate gender love to see it

[raw crypt]

I excitedly await performance concept art

[rigid mural]

Performance and Flight got my fave designs so

[proud pulsar]

shout-out to cackling cannoneer, one of my favorite genders

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer cackling cos they got all the gender until Performance guide waltz in

[karmic ledge]

some of them went through some wild changes, maybe itll be shown if theres a concept blog for performance in the future

[tranquil harbor]

Speaking of, if I may ask: Who does the little fun facts that we get when the spirits are revealed? They sound like your TS hints, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's you.

[fickle wing]

OH MAN SEASON CONCEPTS MAKE ME GO FERAL
wish we got some for past seasons id kill to see my prophecy n sanc blorbos someday

[karmic ledge]

also be right back! gotta step away for a sec

[rigid mural]

YES SEASON CONCEPTS GOOD FOOD
I love seeing them so much, makes me wanna design stuff too

[frigid tinsel]

re: Cannoneer gender

[fickle wing]

YEAHHH

[raw crypt]

what i would do for enchantment concept art, the sillies

[rigid mural]

||oh cool so im not the only one that wants to hold the hand of some spirits||

[white junco]

yeah it’s not just you mate

[raw crypt]

holding hands of my fave spirits, we are friends

[thin dirge]

Yo, I almost missed Ash again- 😭

[tranquil harbor]

I just want the spirits to give my skid hugs

[white junco]

throwing my small honking child at the spirits

[raw crypt]

once again thinking abt ts and base game spirits getting hugs unlocked like how guides get them

[proud pulsar]

I wanna be able to hug All the spirits

[fickle wing]

shoutout to those abyss concepts btw love scruffy mechanic monkey boatswain they’re just <3

[formal skiff]

Begging for a hug option at the bottom of each spirit tree. I am a little gremlin and I need spirit hugs.

[raw crypt]

BOATSWAIN CONCEPTS R MY FAVOURITE THEY R SO GOOFY SILLY

[fickle wing]

THEY REMIND ME SO MUCH OF THE MONKEY ALPHA FROM ANIMAL JAM THEY BOTH TINKER W STUFF

[sharp lichen]

I have a long list of spirits besides the Cannoneer, but yes

[fickle wing]

i feel like there’s some correlation between me loving the animal jam alphas as a kid and me going feral over the elders now not sure exactly what it is but it’s There

also
animal jam 🤝 sky
big bird is god

mira and megabird would b besties change my mind

[frigid tinsel]

Concept Elders were animalistic too

[thin dirge]

Also, speaking about "timelines" mentioned from Ash, I did mention once some Seasons are clearly just us reliving the past (Prophecy, Dreams), while others occur with our interference. (Such example is Flight, Enchantment, Sanctuary, the ones we had to help with)

[formal skiff]

Even “clearly” is debatable: are we watching old performances for Dreams, or participating in them with the skater in the present?

[karmic ledge]

they're lovingly crafted by our community team but they do check in with the season team to make sure the facts are accurate!

[hushed steeple]

O ash is here.

[karmic ledge]

also i too love the cannoneer, though angler is a close second (dont tell the other Abyss spirits I said that)

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer would brag about being the favorite

[formal skiff]

I love them both. They are so opposite and both so amazing.

[hushed steeple]

I just did the mission so I came to laugh at everyone who wanted skykids to not be able to communicate with spirits >:]

[keen shore]

OH question about abyss spirits. Did they take place post apoc or is that jsut what wasteland spirits look like?? It’s kinda foggy and I am curious

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, Wasteland wasn't always a wasteland, so different time periods could come into play here too

[thin dirge]

Ash, how do you rate from 1-10 Performance Quest Giver's sense of humor? Is it dad jokes level?

[fickle wing]

hc that cannoneer sounds like undyne undertale it just FITS
both r absolutely feral

[formal skiff]

SPIRITS ARE STILL HERE CONFIRMED
Pullin out those adoption papers
And my oc’s backstory of being raised by Butterfly and Sneaky can be canon-appropriate

[thin dirge]

Asking since they're making a comedy

[keen shore]

I have. So many questions that I keep forgetting about. Like… am I right about enehcnatment being from isle???
[hopefully am not asking too much questions but these have been bothering me for like. Months and I’m super curiosu]

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think the spirits who've been ascended are coming back. we already got them as TS as well as granny. they're hearing about this performance the skids are putting on and decide to pop in for a watch

[formal skiff]

enehcnatment

[sharp lichen]

I know this is wildly off topic, but I have a lore request for you, Ash.

Falling crabs. Chibi Wasteland Elder. Toyota Corollas. 29.42.

These are all related to one, simple cause. To find the physics of the Sky world. But a major roadblock we found is gravity. No matter how hard we tried, we couldn’t find it.

So, I come to you. Considering you are a TGC staff, you could have some information about this. And even if you don’t, you probably know more than us!

Join me, and we can find the gravity of the Sky world.

[karmic ledge]

I'll give you a wafo on that just incase theres an abyss concept art blog planned that may offer some juicy deets!

but i can tell you the area the abyss spirits traveled to (treasure reef) used to be in use but was abandoned before the Abyss Spirits arrival, if that helps!

[hushed steeple]

O right. Is there a list of Isle script options?

[tranquil harbor]

I've seen 5 of them posted here

[formal skiff]

Oops one is spoilered sorry

[karmic ledge]

Sky physics admittedly sounds like a TGC engineering dev question

[raw crypt]

WE R FRIENDS !!

thats so cute,,

[fickle wing]

AW

[thin dirge]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

What if we get a Season where in the quests, the Guest Giver takes our hand and leads us to the quest spot, or EVEN BETTER, they participate in the quest with us??????

[fickle wing]

i would go rabid i crave that funky spirit and elder interaction

[frigid tinsel]

arguably TLP did that even tho the questgiver wasn't the one being held

[rigid mural]

I had this fanart idea of the warp mechanic being kinda like that, so
i love spirits so much, running towards them at very fasts speeds

[thin dirge]

Woah, should add that in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[formal skiff]

PLEASE i want more interactions with spirits, guides, and elders. They are such cool characters. They deserve interactions.

[frigid tinsel]

we are touch-starved, TGC

[thin dirge]

I want to add it in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived now

[uncut pond]

So it IS possible after all... Brb gonna try to consume god and absorb it's knowledge of Sky history

[rigid mural]

this hit too close to home

[fickle wing]

i absolutely adore how recent seasons have spirits like
more involved n stuff it makes em feel more “alive” even tho they’re dead

[karmic ledge]

I am rooting you on friend

[thin dirge]

Embrace DA LIGGHHTTTTT!!!!!

[tranquil harbor]

TGC: -allows skids to obtain high-fives/hugs from some spirits-
Us: Give the child more physical affection

[keen shore]

tell us what it tastes like please!!!!

The funniest interaction with a spirit to date is Laidback Pioneer asking us for headpats

[rigid mural]

YEAH WHAT'S UP WITH THAT
They are so funny

[formal skiff]

We literally fell from the sky into the desert, newly formed, and were told to save the world. As kids. We need affection and support, and not just from fellow Sky kids. From experience, kids can’t give each other ALL of the support they need. Adult support and love is required.

tl;dr we need hugs pls

[fickle wing]

i like how crab call fights glowing flying toddlers you go girl (gender neutral)

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer is used to small things launching themselves in their general direction tbh

[keen shore]

I want more events like days of bloom so bad, where you can just people-watch spirits and it gets increasingly ridiculous the longer you watch

[frigid tinsel]

Lightseekers are not. normal. i love them for that

[uncut pond]

tho they're dead
... OR ARE THEY?? (I know they mostly definitely are but let me have my headcanon )

[fickle wing]

days of bloom style event w the spirits but prophecy when please let those fellas out the cave they gotta see sunlight and touch grass

[thin dirge]

I hope Lightseekers next year bring their kids to Season of Bloom too

[rigid mural]

can we have a days of event with the rhythm crew and martha
days of rainbow martha float

[fickle wing]

i need to hug fire proph so bad you don’t understand

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer and Cannoneer causing chaos together

[sharp lichen]

I’d say it started from with them having more definable personality traits. turned this to 11 by almost making them caricatures, and the inclusion of dialogue was short-lived but a neat touch that fits these complex spirits. In , the spirits interact with each other in memories. In , we see the Guide interacting with the spirits, as well as them being the cause of the 5th quest. And in , the spirits work with you in the quests. It’s beautiful how spirits have evolved from a simple shop into well-made characters

[uncut pond]

And I need to steal their pants

[formal skiff]

I just need hugs. Idek which spirit. Just. Hugs.

[rigid mural]

give me a minute

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, for those who are unaware, its strongly theorized that the Assembly Squad are kids of the Lightseekers

[frigid tinsel]

kids or at least apprentices

[keen shore]

The apprentices explanation is still 100% my favorite and I will die on that hill with glee

[fickle wing]

assembly gang came out of a cabbage patch #mystery solved

[keen shore]

honestly believable

[formal skiff]

Well said!! I love how fleshed-out they’ve gotten. I Need more of this. It’s one of my favorite parts of Sky. The personalities of the spirits are so vibrant.

[fickle wing]

forest is right next 2 prairie and the prairie elder pin said something abt farming iirc so they might’ve had cabbage over there man the dots are being CONNECTED

[thin dirge]

Afro spirit might be the "mom" of the Marching Kid, considering how the spirit is seen together with Twirl spirit, the guy theorized to be Marching kid's parent from Lightseekers

[sharp lichen]

My favorite explanation has to be the “assembly spirits are inspired by lightseeker spirits”. Like the Assembly spirits hear about the amazing tale of spirits gathering together to form a group, and decide to emulate that

[fickle wing]

ok wait yeah my memory didn’t explode i was right abt the farming bit

[thin dirge]

Piggyback and High-Five in Lightseekers are a couple, probs

[rigid mural]

big to store all the love

[fickle wing]

BAWLING

[tranquil harbor]

Still waiting on elder hugs

[keen shore]

I have no opinions on who’s in a romanticrelationship or not bc shipping is beyond me. HOWEBER. the apprentices idea is super cute to me and my main focus in that hint

[fickle wing]

i love the -w- face on fire proph so much they’re so friend man i just

[frigid tinsel]

Fire Prophet: uwu

[rigid mural]

YEAH I LIKE TO THINK THEY WERE APPRENTICES
the idea of assembly kids painting their mask to look like lightseekers bc they admire them, kinda like kids mimicking their idols

[keen shore]

ITS SUCH A CUTE IDEA and funny too because you have to wonder. Who thought trusting the lightseekers with kids was a good idea

[rigid mural]

thanks its bc i cant draw their mask 💙

[frigid tinsel]

Salem gave me an idea with Crab Whisperer and Scardey Cadet that's going in the Abyss fic

[rigid mural]

WOO
YOU KNOW YOU GOTTA DM ME THE DEETS

[sharp lichen]

Do you think they would write “adopted by crab whisperar” fanfics

[keen shore]

I STILL GET SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS IM SO GLAD U LIKED IT

[fickle wing]

fire prophet (beloved)
fire prophet mask (oh dear lord how do you draw that oh god)

[frigid tinsel]

i'll explain once my hand isn't overed in cheetod

[rigid mural]

CHEETO HANDS

[keen shore]

I thought you said your head was covered in Cheetos and was so confused, how would that happen

[fickle wing]

cheeto pool

[frigid tinsel]

you cannot read any better than you can write /lh

[rigid mural]

HELP

[keen shore]

I can when I TRY :( :( :(

[rigid mural]

i love you guys

[keen shore]

Listen. Head and hand both start and end with the same letter, and they’re both body parts, so they’re basically the same thing and I shouldn’t be bullied for mixing them up

[frigid tinsel]

you thought papermill was peoplemill

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

I was SCANNING the message and then I realized what it was a second time I am NOT ILLITERATE I swear

[frigid tinsel]

but peoplemill

[keen shore]

Maybe I was just feeling violent that day and it was an expression of my subconscious Wjo knows

[night pecan]

hi lore chat!
wooly manta is here to remind you to hydrate! or diedrate

[soft timber]

are we making fun of someone's ability to read correctly? FLOOF

[keen shore]

Sort of but jokingly, I am ok with it as long as the people doing it are my friends. Like, teasingly

[soft timber]

Ah okie!!

[frigid tinsel]

literally chugging a water bottle rn, these cheetos are rough on the tongue

[night pecan]

i feel like sky disc should use tone tags

[rigid mural]

I do sometimes use them, but mostly when I feel like my tone could be misinterpreted or if I need to insist I mean something as a joke /nm

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not used to using them so I forget

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's how I use them, though sometimes I forget in the spur of the moment

[amber creek]

Who needs tone tags when you can use emojis

[pastel brook]

Hey @rigid mural, do you think people like me?

[frigid tinsel]

emojis and emoticons definitely help with that too, but at least tone tags are more explicit about the tone

[amber creek]

I just need to say that I was sceptical about this season but I'm really enjoying it. It feels more wholesome and personal. Little prince vibes but I'm not sobbing

[pastel brook]

why does nobody ask for me?

[keen shore]

Same but … I am afraid the sobbing will come later like it did with tlp

[rigid mural]

-puts a mandarin fruit sticker on you-

[frigid tinsel]

these are just funky theater skids, what could go wrong? oh right, they're literally telling stories oh no

[rigid mural]

skybot is kinda cute but lorechat isn't entirely wrong disliking frequent interruptions lol

[amber creek]

Ok but I was sobbing form the get go with tlp because "f-fwiend? in sky? It talks to me 😭😭😭😭😭"

[sharp lichen]

Skybot is the perfect punching bag for us

[keen shore]

[nature documentary narrator voice] The fruit accepts a new member into their pack. This strange ritual is marked by them placing a fruit sticker on the face of the newbie and loudly declaring “You’re one of us now!”

[frigid tinsel]

skybot saw the excitement over the devs and got jealous

[amber creek]

Ok heres my thoughts on the season. Hopefully. . . . HOPEFULLY, it will not be sad and we're just going to end it with a big play that all the spirits come to watch

[sharp lichen]

We love angst still

[amber creek]

Speak for yourself, my life is depressing and anxious enough I like happy things in my entertainment. It's called ESCAPISM

[uncut pond]

Fair enough, but remember that sometimes people can't always just forget how they're feeling or what they're going through and would rather chose feeling understood over trying to pretend nothing's going on

Escapism is nice and all but too much isn't completely healthy, it's cool to have both

[sharp lichen]

Both. Both is good

[uncut pond]

Indeed

[tiny night]

Idk if anyone's done this but I finally got onto skytok and found this

[frigid tinsel]

Counterpoint

[tiny night]

Ooooooo

[keen shore]

Ahhhh it feels so good being able to disprove that. I was so worried it was canon

[cunning shell]

So confirmed no different timelines?

[night pecan]

i'd like to imagine the devs are trolling us then they reveal "there was no lore just buncha stuff on stickynotes"

[hushed steeple]

I have identified the mysterious floating spirit above the cozy theater as a scout from the hidden forest. Specifically the one with the disgust emote[name].

I guess the theater is as close to adventure as they can get./j

[cunning shell]

It’s scaredy cadet, I believe. Been there since the season was in the beta testing period

[raw crypt]

i chose to believe cadet is there bc of something like this

[sharp lichen]

SCAREDY CADET

[novel marten]

Gamers: there is a strange rock just sitting here in the new area what does it MEAN

Sky players: oh yeah that’s the Traveling Boulder he’s a friend he just likes to move around

[hushed steeple]

Listen, I joined in May 31st, roughly the last maybe two weeks of assembky. You can’t expect me to remember the name of a spirit I knew as a moth and then was never talked about again.

[keen shore]

I feel like scaredy cadet being up there and them being crab whisperers apprentice are. connected somehow

[amber creek]

Me with ranting about the sky kid statue in prairie only to be hit with "yeah that's just for server meshing it comes in and out of the game"

[frigid tinsel]

Cadet might've been trained by Crab Whisperer so they may have some reality breaking antics up their sleeve

[keen shore]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING and now they’re stuck up there like a cat who climbed a tree that’s too high and can’t get back down

[hushed steeple]

You mean to this?

[novel marten]

Cadet: so Crab Whisperer where do you live?

Crab: oh yeah I live in the Wasteland, next to this totally AWESOME crashed ship. You’re gonna love it.

Cadet: ok… wasteland is scary, but I trust you.

(One trip to Wasteland later)

Cadet: THERES SO MUCH DARK WATER HELP

Crab: you didn’t tell me you CANT SWIM

[hushed steeple]

Crab Whisperer is lying to you, they live in the Hidden Forest. Don’t go any further with their scheme, they’ve been known to do…… evil things with addresses./j

[hushed steeple]

But, it must also have some lore too………..

[keen shore]

the only reason twirling champion is at the theater is bc theyre trying to get their friends kid down from there and failing

[hushed steeple]

Read the script options. Hoo. Surprise its about everything and because you pick what happens, lends no history to whatever actually happened.

Does barely almost explain glowboys though. Thats useful.

[keen shore]

The different paths are most likely about different characters

[novel marten]

One of the Child endings reminded me of isle of dawn, like the first time you go. The other endings reminded me of Eden

[cunning shell]

There is no lore for the server merge statue. Although if there was, it would probably be that it’s actually a live skid, but they’re so enthralled by the woolly mantas that they’ve stood in the sun so long their colour was bleached out

[hushed steeple]

Twirling Champion: “Scardy Cadet, HOW THE HONK DID YOU GET UP THERE!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING UP THERE!!! SCARDY CADET!!!!!!”

[cunning shell]

Honk as a swear word lmao a whole new perspective of Sky communication

[hushed steeple]

Ok, with this message, I’m not saying its wrong, I just genuinly am curious as to where the evidence for this exactly is.

[novel marten]

Moths have dirty mouths

[frigid tinsel]

It’s not exactly the first time TGC have left their unused assets lying around

[hushed steeple]

I recall from a NastyMold beta video I watched that the statue was deliberately put in there, ||and players were told it would be given a later use||

[cunning shell]

1. There are no power diamonds on the statue
2. We don’t see any spirits/creatures interacting with the statue
3. Statues don’t move on their own
4. Therefore, based upon postulates 1-3, we can reasonably deduce that (if we’re lorifying something completely random) the statue must not actually be a statue

[frigid tinsel]

NastyMold isn't a TGC dev. afaik it was placed there, devs didn't elaborate, it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. it's just a statue that's there. there's no information at all to go on about what it is or what it's for. there's really no point in discussing it at this moment

[white junco]

I have my own theories but they're speculative yeah, not really a conversation that can go anywhere

[hushed steeple]

Ok, but we could say the same about all the new social light areas that have been getting added recently….

[hushed steeple]

”Players were told it would have a later use”

Its obviously got some form of importance.

[white junco]

maybe. but all we have to go off of is that it exists

[frigid tinsel]

okay and we don't know what that will be. as I've said every time this is brought up, we have no clues to go off of on what the statue is, so there isn't a point in discussing it. marching in here demanding we come up with lore for a statue with no lore is useless and honestly getting irritating

[rigid mural]

Nastymold is right there on this server, you could ask them where they got their sources when they come see the TS hints tommorow in genchat, Esther !

[hushed steeple]

I wasn’t demanding lore. This whole thing started because I said that the statue could have lore too. And I was just trying to state that its got importance to it.

Ok, now we can drop it.

[raw crypt]

Oh I think it was a beta patch note that mentioned a future use iirc

I can go search!

[cunning shell]

That is a reasonable point!

I do think that they are different conceptually—the social spaces never move while the statue does, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything beyond weird coding choices

[rigid mural]

Ash jumpscare again ???

[frigid tinsel]

Would love to see it if that exists

[karmic ledge]

It was/is planned for a future gameplay mechanic, so there's not an official dev Lore ™️ reason for that skykid statue in prairie BUT if you wanna have fun thinkin up some fun worldbuilding theories for it, more power to ya!

[hushed steeple]

Wait, so….

What do you actually mean by the statue moving…….

[rigid mural]

WELL.

[hushed steeple]

Always trust an artist./j

||Don’t actually base trust levels on things such as talent, that leads to terrible relationships.||

[karmic ledge]

i hope that helps! it can be fun to flex your brain and concept some worldbuilding stuff so if that interests you w/that statue, thats awesome

[keen shore]

Thank you for letting us know!! 💛

[rigid mural]

I like to imagine it's gonna be used for the season TGC is hyping up for later this year.

[frigid tinsel]

So it’s not a useless statue. Still dunno what it’ll be for

[hushed steeple]

Thanks!!

So its secretly the entrance to the hidden moth headquarters…….

[karmic ledge]

it will hand deliver you fresh baked waffles

[karmic ledge]

patch-chans secret lair

[keen shore]

moth duplication statue. lets us channel valley elder powers and duplicate anyone

[rigid mural]

Ash did say gameplay mechanic so 👀
Maybe it's one of the things the devs said would be a bit random to break the repetitivity in one of the streams.

[novel marten]

Yoooo secret room 3

[raw crypt]

found it! *confetti sfx

enabled in a later build, could be 4, or 5 (builds? weeks? years?) maybe 6

[cunning shell]

I was saying that untouched, unpowered statues don’t move on their own. It could be moved, hypothetically, by the creatures, but we don’t see them moving it, nor do we see the skids moving it. Therefore, the only possible explanation (beyond the game mechanic one) is that it moves itself! I don’t know of any statues that move themselves without a power source, so I was saying that it could be reasonably deduced based on available evidence that it isn’t a statue, or at least not a traditional one

[rigid mural]

HUH

[keen shore]

Wait, so was it meant for the guide feature and still is? Or was it only meant for it originally and got changed to something else later?

[rigid mural]

Request, not guide. So

[hushed steeple]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IT MOVES!!!!!/j

[keen shore]

I’m losing it because I saw someone post a theory on Instagram about the Tiktok Comment Which Shall Not Be Named, and I feel like I’m several parallel universes ahead of them

[novel marten]

What’s this about a tiktok comment

[hushed steeple]

Wait, the statue could mean that Prairie Elder had a child./j

[karmic ledge]

no ones made a theory video about the sky multiverse and string theory reveals 😔

[rigid mural]

I think it would be funny to look at these wild theories still.

[cunning shell]

I’m still typing out my Sky multiverse theory in a doc even though it isn’t canon I love me some chaotic worldbuilding

[wanton nest]

There is a particular comment to a post which has a reply by a TGC creator. They said, quite simply, that there are multiple timelines in the Sky universe

[raw crypt]

I feel like prairie elder is the type to adopt someone in a heartbeat

grabbing a skykid like “youre my friend now, were having soft tacos later”

[novel marten]

The Sky multiverse is already real through Season of Little Prince. During this season, a traveler from another dimension enters the Sky world and leaves his mark on the world, and when he goes back home an alternate version of himself is left behind. In this essay I will

[rigid mural]

I think a hug from Day Elder would fix everything wrong with me.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, you mean the various different streams of light creatures flowing into the orbit core bringing the souls of people from other universes like that one I visited where the king didn’t become corrupted and ruin the entirety of the Sky Kingdom?

[raw crypt]

Stop stop my blorbos are already considered not canon by half the fanbase /j

[rigid mural]

Fruit will always be canon in my heart.

[keen shore]

I feel so bad. How do I tell them? If I tell the truth about asking a dev and them saying no there’s no way they’ll believe me

[frigid tinsel]

could just be from another planet, not another dimension. canonically in the book The Little Prince, the boy is from another planet/asteroid

[cunning shell]

Also does Ash just like sit patiently in here and watch us spin crazy concepts?

[wanton nest]

Oh but of course there are video game-y bits here and there that aren’t meant to be considered a canonical event (like events that repeat every time you go into a zone)

[hushed steeple]

Oh, and did I meantion how Forgetful Storyteller’s play from earlier proves that Storyteller is an interdimensional traveler and frequently visits different universes to find gifts for their friend Modest Dancer. And also to impress Ftantic Stagehand with interdimensional props.

[karmic ledge]

not all the time I promise most times I'm working on things that I hope you guys will eventually make crazy concepts about

[rigid mural]

Eating your concept art.

[hushed steeple]

Is it true that frogs weren’t added because nobody could decide if they were fish or crustacean?/j

[cunning shell]

Thank you for your service! We appreciate your breadcrumbs and hope you find our wild honking entertaining

[frigid tinsel]

Must be wild watching people talking about your work

[hushed steeple]

So, do dinosaurs exist in sky.
“That, is the question”
Discuss

[white junco]

no, they have legs

unless... they were dark creatures...

[hushed steeple]

Not all.
Megalodon
Mosasaurus
Diloposaurus

Olden cephalapods

[keen shore]

Hey consider
Light creature giant isopod

[hushed steeple]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

AND IT FLOATS ABOUT AS THOUGH IT WERE SWIMMING THROUGH THE AIR!!!!!

[white junco]

megalodons weren't dinosaurs. dinosaurs went extinct over 40 million years before megalodons even showed up

[rigid mural]

I want those messed up whale wolves as light creatures.

[hushed steeple]

Fine, then just ancient creatures in general

[white junco]

take a Tardigrade
make it bigger

[hushed steeple]

Show me them. I’m curious now.

[frigid tinsel]

wolves in Sky

[keen shore]

Like the fantasy species people use for fursonas ? Or.. is this an actual animal I don’t know about

[rigid mural]

Rodhocetus

[keen shore]

Oh. I thought you meant sharkdogs… nvm

[frigid tinsel]

Sure that wasn’t inspiration for the leviathan?

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats adorable. All the while I look up whale wolf and get an asortment of fictional stuff.

[rigid mural]

I love how whales went from dog-sized rats to aquatic megafauna.

[white junco]

skybot is beaning me for tone tags

[frigid tinsel]

use /positivity rather than it’s short form

[hushed steeple]

The leviathan doesn’t have legs or fins so it isn’t swimming and instead just telekinetically moving through the water. Not the same thing./j

[white junco]

kind of scary but I like the eyes

[rigid mural]

Dog :)

[hushed steeple]

I’m gonna get off now, getting a bit tired. BYYYYEEEEEEE!!!

[white junco]

I think tgc should put these guys in sky

[frigid tinsel]

They are already. They’re just too small to see

[rigid mural]

Oh same, I stayed up because I got excited we got devs saying hi, but I should go to bed. Goodnight lorechat !

[keen shore]

I love tardigrades because they look so fake. Like someone decided to make an animal out of a blowup air mattress

[white junco]

then they should make them bigger. I want to see them float around like living zepplins

[wanton nest]

Same, I think I’m heading out

[keen shore]

You cannot tell me you don’t look at that creature and get the impulse to stick an air hose in and inflate it

[white junco]

you're going to make it explode

[rapid arrow]

I’m sorry, what did I walk into-

[keen shore]

I could pop that animal with a single needle like a balloon

[white junco]

very serious and important lore discussion

[rapid arrow]

Involving hoses?!

[night pecan]

headcanon:
when you see megabird for the first time as a moth you're a little confused, you don't know what's happening, but when you see her, you just know, instinctively.. she is mother

after visiting her enough times you remember your creation, your purpose, her story and why you're here, and every time you go into eden, being hit by thousands of dark crystals, you know that you're doing a good job, this is supposed to happen, life, death and rebirth

and when you enter orbit, you let out a happy sigh, you're returning to her, the stars you saved thank you, the spirits you saved help strengthen you, so you can start your journey all over again

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[white junco]

skybot that's just me

[rapid arrow]

I can’t fly we’ll still bonk into everything and anything

Headcannon

Skykids have flight lessons taught by other skykids. Therea daily lessons and everything

[white junco]

one of those players that is just barely not a moth anymore feels very proud of themselves and tries to teach moths to fly. They're still shaky themselves

I was one of those players for a while tried very hard to not be a moth. Peak moth behavior

[uncut pond]

That megabird design rocks

[white junco]

megabird watching a large portion of their children become emo

[upper mortar]

Unpopular theory:

Krills are just baby larvas and one day they will turn into giant butterflies

Their diet is:

• Moths
• Moths
• More Moths

[night pecan]

crunch

[uncut pond]

Biblically accurate birb

Also LMAO that single eye eyeglass is just

[dull plover]

shivering while reading this

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[night pecan]

accurate ish megabird design

[thin dirge]

So, how many people tried different options for the Act 2 Quest? Cause I tried out several different ones, and some of them are pretty interesting.... Some sound like folklore origin stories for Sky

[night pecan]

vs doodle design megabird

[thin dirge]

One of the story options sounds like evidence for the "King got shattered and became Sky kids" theory

But if anything, the options do sound like varying versions of Sky's origins

You would imagine origin stories get strongly altered by time

[uncut pond]

Yeah, all the options sound like different altered versions of a same original story

[thin dirge]

Yeah, not all of them tho, some are clearly about us than an origin story from Sky's history

[uncut pond]

Btw I think Ash might've confirmed this earlier today but I'll go search the message because I don't trust my memory enough

[thin dirge]

Im still rechecking to see if I've got them all. I think I got all of the "star" ones

Wait, one of them seems to be about the Prophets themselves?

Two of them, actually

[uncut pond]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Turns out I was wrong, this is why I don't trust my memory

[thin dirge]

From the "silent child" options, two of them seems to be about the Prophets than the actual child of Prophecy

The two options from "Until their weary legs..." of "Silent child" options might be referring to how the Prophets founded each other and became the group we know today-

[white junco]

I think the unassuming cave line under that thread is actually referring to the two adults seen in pointing candlemakers memory. the candlemakers emerge from the unassuming cave in a different story thread

[thin dirge]

One of them talks about "Rock formations", and found four figures on boats. Those murals STILL EXIST in Isle to this day!

A long time ago before the new intro of Sky exists and the old intro was still there, there were different murals on rocks. I realized they may be hinting at the prophets, and there were four figures on those murals CONSTANTLY, except for the very first one, which got removed

The first mural shows three figures praying to the stars. The next murals shows four figures finding four lights. Then there was the four figures carrying the four lights on boats, and the last has them praying in front of Isle Elder with the four lights sent up into the Sky.

I realized these were the prophets BEFORE the trials existed, since these murals seem to depict four lights, similarly to the Cave of Prophecies

But there were only three figures in the beginning, then later four, I theorized it was because the fourth prophet actually joined later. I ended up having this headcanon of Fire Prophet joining later

[white junco]

this mural is also still in the game!! it shows up during stargazers memory!!

[thin dirge]

The stories explained from Act 2 about those "children" and the "child" that discovered they were the "fourth" lines up too perfectly with the theory I had about the Prophets

Though, it's possible the one with "children joined together in a cave" might be referring to the students than the Prophets

[white junco]

the children finding companionship in another is in the unassuming cave, which is where the pointing candlemaker spirit memory happens. I think it’s the two adult spirits in that memory
but i love your ideas i am looking very hard at them

[thin dirge]

It talks about "A child looking for companionship", so idk...

And Im not sure about that place looking like a "cave" back then. May have been a more solid, sandstone house in the past

[white junco]

just so we’re on the same page i’m talking about these

[thin dirge]

Yeah, talking about that

[white junco]

yeah it’s the same cave. the candlemakers are in the cave

[thin dirge]

In the cave of the candlemaker spirit?

Though, uncertain, cause if that's the place, I dont think that was really a "cave" in the past

[white junco]

yea i think the candlemakers are in the cave of the candlemaker spirit

prophecy cave is described as a little less unassuming

[thin dirge]

The "cave" seems to be something else, cause it's uncertain if that place really looked like cave at all before. And not much indicates that place was really the home of many people in the past

Also, just because something is described different in some parts, doesnt mean it can't be the same thing, remember a lot of them seems to be varying versions of old tales

[white junco]

ok so where do the candlemakers live then if not in the cave where the candlemakers spirit is. where we see two adults and a child

[thin dirge]

Those two were visiting. The mother seems to be sending her child there to learn about candles, not as their house

[white junco]

all three of them were making candles together

[thin dirge]

Yeah, doesnt mean the mother lives there or is really a candlemaker as well, she seems to be participating in it to help make cancles.

[novel marten]

Maybe the youngest one is an apprentice candlemaker?

[rapid arrow]

I always thought of the mother and the daughter being related to pointing candle maker
Also had a small theory way back, that the child in the pointing candle makers backstory is the dreams girl

[fickle wing]

insane how candlemaker is so similar to the words making candles

[thin dirge]

It appeared like the spirit brought the young one to have them learn about the tradition of candlemaking, that doesnt 100% mean they live there, or is a candlemaker at all

[hushed steeple]

Wasnt the current isle mural have uh like 3 people in boats carryin light though

[white junco]

ok so. why are the two people in a cave making candles together not the couple of candlemakers that emerge from an unassuming cave

[thin dirge]

Nah, four. Always four. The only mural that had three at all was the first mural in the first cave, which was replaced when the new intro came to be

[novel marten]

By the way, sorry for ping but where are you finding the picture with all the story endings?

[hushed steeple]

No not the one in the cave. The one on the rock. Outside the cave

[thin dirge]

I mean, it should be four

[white junco]

here! by Maelstrom #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Geez I forgot about this chats slowdown. Got spoiled with chats that actually enjoy conversation

[thin dirge]

I remember studying all the murals and always found four figures except for the cave one. So yeah, that should be four I guess

[white junco]

there’s 4 currently but during one of the stories, a child sees 3 and is said to be “destined to become the fourth”

[hushed steeple]

Im gonna go make sure the rock im thinking about does not have 3 and if im going crazy remembering it

[upper mortar]

Sky tiktok just dropped us a lore doggy bone

[frigid tinsel]

Counterpoint

[hushed steeple]

Huh. Yeppy. Four

[thin dirge]

Ah yeah, four. Though it mentioned, the kid was destined to become the fourth, meaning that the mural may have actually shown four and mentioned three currently exists

[fickle wing]

going insane over that comment where it’s like so much lore given by tgc like we’re not scraping stuff together through the most vague things ever and old concepts

[white junco]

krii we have counter evidence from ash the tiktok comment isn’t real

[hushed steeple]

That reminds of LA murals where skykids are always shown in packs of four. These ones are shepherding light though. Seem like ancestors but who knows at this point.

[fickle wing]

sky tiktok comment (derogatory)

[thin dirge]

Ooohhh, okay, rereading thestorylines, I can undertsand what Spade is saying

[upper mortar]

Just some interesting detail. Since the black hole's gravitational force is so strong, even light can't escape from it. And guess what Sky kids are made of? Light 🕯️

That's why we die in Eden. There's no way for us to escape, so we just reborn and start a new life.

[frigid tinsel]

TGC TikTok, my detested

[thin dirge]

Hmm, hang on, one of these sounds like the narrator that guided us? At it mentions that a star would guide a child to the temple, and went to rest at last afterwards

[white junco]

i like the one about the temple bells, it matches the isle intro text :)

[novel marten]

I also like these ones of isle elder

[thin dirge]

The "Shimmering star" plotlines are the most intriguing as they seem to contain some actual Sky lore of Sky Kingdom in them

The plotlines where the "Star grew brighter" might be referring to the King

The one where "It grew so bright and looked down and saw nothing" may be about when the Kingdom fell

[thin dirge]

But... what does it mean by "Subdued its light"...? That seems a little dark with that ending...

Hmm, I wonder how these were translated in diff languages

[novel marten]

In a literal sense, a king cannot rule without people to govern. Perhaps he shined too bright, was left alone, and realized that in doing so he lost a majority of his power

[thin dirge]

And the brighter the light, the darker the shadow....

[white junco]

the kingdom also kind of fell. the king wouldn’t have been able to lessen his shine and restore things to how they were

[novel marten]

There’s also a few supernova references in the star plot lines, which is when a star literally dies and explodes so…

In some there’s the path of rebirth but this one clearly isn’t that

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, supernova brings the complex elements that allows other stars to be born

The star dimming and gives birth to light creatures... Was that the Light/Megabird? Now that I think about it, the Light/Orbit is supposed to be at the center of the Megabird, but it isnt really "bright" like you would expect...

[rapid arrow]

The power diamond at storm lock can also be the supernova black hole thing

[trim yoke]

Ooooo that's an interesting idea

[upper mortar]

Guys i just wrote a really long theory. Hope you guys like it

Eden/Black Hole Theory:
All of the 6 realms are separated in their own respective points in time. With Isle of Dawn taking place in the past when the first settlers arrived in the world, The Valley of Triumph that celebrates a golden age in the present, and The Vault facing the destruction of their realm in the future. The reason why the realms becomes more and more destroyed as you progress further into Eden is because Eden is a temporal anomaly. A place that spreads darkness everytime is consumes something, just like a Black Hole.

Let me explain:
You might be wondering how I came up with an absurd conclusion. Don't worry, because i have a proof that Eden is a Black Hole.

A black hole has a theoretical boundary called "Event Horizon". This boundary is the point of no return, not even light can escape if it ever reaches this point because the force of gravity is too strong. The reason why I mentioned this is because there is a section in Eden where once you have entered it, you can never go back and that section is the Eye of Eden! So that makes Eye of Eden the Event Horizon.

Now the next evidence is the fact that all 6 realms are split into 6 different points in time. Now get ready because this might sound confusing so bear with me. Let's say you are falling into a black hole (spooky). Black holes has a very strong gravity that it's also capable of bending time around itself. So when you're falling into one, your surroundings starts to speed up. The stars appear to die faster as you fall closer into the Event horizon of a Black Hole. While all of these is happening, you will look like you're stuck in a slow motion for someone who's observing outside of the black hole. Basically, you're time travelling into the future (except you're falling to your death so RIP 🪦)

This is exactly what's happening in the world of Sky. The closer you are to the Eye of Eden, the further travel into the future, and that future is the destruction of all 6 realms due to the darkness spreading.

[trim yoke]

Reminder, the top of Vault is seen at the rear of eden gates as well if you turn around

[upper mortar]

---

This is exactly what's happening in the world of Sky. The closer you are to the Eye of Eden, the further travel into the future, and that future is the destruction of all 6 realms due to the darkness spreading.

Now what does this mean? What is the purpose of the Children of Light in this matter? Well the answer is simple.

They are here to prevent the darkness from spreading into the past, that's why they're giving the Realm Elders a portion of their own light so they can defend themselves from the darkness. They're also utilizing their distance between the Event Horizon and themselves to travel through time and keep on lookout for any signs of darkness and prevent it from reaching the Isle of Dawn (which is the starting point of the civilization in Sky world). Because once the darkness has spread too far into the past, it could erase the civilization itself and there would be nothing else to protect in their world.

The Vault Elder most likely knew about this from the start a treats the Children of Light as their eternal guardians. When he realizes that the Vault is beyond saving, he returned the light to the Children of Light in order to save themselves. This selfless act was a way of saying thanks for protecting their realms for generations and it's now their turn to return the favor.

At the end of Eden, that's where we stop being a Children of Light and become a Warriors of Light. Countless reborn has allowed us to save the spirits of the people by bringing them with us into the orbit where they'll truly be safe from the darkness forever.

[trim yoke]

WOAHHHH that's an interesting theory :O

[upper mortar]

Thank you!!!

[fiery wave]

me literally about to sort this channel by images for juicy lore

[steep prawn]

its really cool how you mentioned that were kinda stuck in a slow motion while going to eden it prevented us from going faster by walking instead of flying and also the strong wind

[trim yoke]

Alsooo, linking to the theory and many things discussed recently, broken parts and similar looks of areas becoming or seeming to be replicated and damaged would be fitting for such theory and how the waters seem to have depleted in near areas and yet areas like Reefs and Sanctuary wouldn't have been effected. It would also explain why the farlands in starlight are so strong with repelling winds too! 👁️👁️

[steep prawn]

not only liked it but loved it too, keep that wonderful thinking of yours!

[upper mortar]

Thanks, i was just connecting the dots tbh 🤣. I've been trying to figure out what exactly the world of Sky is and after that lore drop by TGC, that's when i realized that Eden is actually a black hole

Well that's one question out of the way. Now i wanna figure out what a Sky Kid exactly is

[solid shard]

hello lore veterans i have a question,, what's the general consensus on the difference between the spirits and the sky kids? are skykids a subspecies? were the spirits skykids once and just... lost their wings of light somehow?? i know the elders are completely different but idk the spirits lore

[naive sequoia]

Stars can become black holes right?

Sky kid, Elders and the ancestors are all different from what I recall. Spirits are the dead ancestors that once lived in the Kingdom of Sky.

[harsh pecan]

Imo they’re all different species

[hushed steeple]

Is there somewhere I can find the different endings to the story for the 2nd quest?

[hushed steeple]

THANKS

[coral palm]

i want lor e

[clear glacier]

scrolling through tiktok and sees the sky acc post smth
Aw it's another moth video-
shows a very high res eden that makes me scared but also realise the whole time is funky thing

anyways how's lore chat doing today cause i just came up with a theory that the sky realms work like a place where all times meet but stuck in a single era
like the realm is preserved by some megabird magic to remain in that exact way and over time the bond the magic has over the realm weakens and the realms slowly come back alive/fill with more spirits

[tranquil harbor]

They meant time period, rather than a confusing zelda-esque nonsense time line. Ash came and had some mercy on us

[outer hare]

Oh thank goodness-

[hushed steeple]

I’m wondering, is there somewhere I can get as much lore as possible in one place? Maybe a video or text doc, I want to start making my own ideas but have nowhere to start.

[formal skiff]

These docs are rather outdated but a decent place to start. Other than that, my best advice is just to lurk here, and you’ll learn some stuff. You’ll also witness a fair amount of tomfoolery though lol.

Also, be aware that in theory docs (but not in the Canon Lore doc), and much of what is said here, unless it is specified otherwise, these are our own theories, and may not be confirmed as canon. This doesn’t mean they’re not interesting or worthy of note, but it’s definitely something to keep in mind!

Happy loring!(? Is that a word? It is now)

[rigid mural]

My problem with the current lore docs is that some stuff is unsourced, badly sourced or the source is lost (the lost stream), so there's bias and headcanons phrased as canon.

[naive sequoia]

When was the lore doc last updated?

[thin dirge]

Some are actually worded differently too, that can lead to misinterpretation. Like "Eden Elder isnt around to be saved anymore" one was actually worded differently from what was actually stated from the stream. Someone who actually watched the stream said it was "There used to be an Elder Elder, but now, there's nothing left to save", this wording could also imply that the Eden Elder was already saved, not that they canot be saved anymore at all.

The person (Shepherd) said there are errors here and there in that doc, so yeah

[nimble ingot]

Just a thought.
While we know that light creatures, skykids, motes(from the storyteller script) and possibly ancestors come from stars.

But what makes the stars then?
The Megabird?

[rigid mural]

Seraph and Mirian (both mods) said so iirc yeah.

[formal skiff]

I don’t know much about their content, just thought I’d post them in case it was helpful. That’s good to know though.

[rigid mural]

To everyone's credit, it is a pretty good start to theories, and it gathers a decent chunk of lore.

[rigid mural]

I haven't really thought about it, I always imagined the stars were born the same way they do irl but the game works by fairy tale logic hence why they may have sentience.
Perhaps it is another case of Megabird embodying a collective ?

[thin dirge]

Well, its said all of them came from ONE star, so it may indicate there was once only one light, all life originated from that point. And it's clear there is a CENTER of the Megabird, where all life gathers for rebirth. The Light itself. And it is already hinted to be the very beginning point of life, in Sky Shop, where there was this item set that had this paper in it saying "From darkness, light was born"

[nimble ingot]

Going by folklore and myths; in general, a star represents someone that has died and is looking down at the living from the heavens.

So, hypothetically in Sky, I wonder if this means that ancestors that died in the past, would ascend to the heavens where Megabird would gather up.
Then would creat new life to fall back down to the world and start a new life.

That said, I am not going to ljnk that to skykids as they are an exception tk tbus case due to rebirth, not reincarnation.

The skykid that would die and ascend, would be the same one that wiuld come back and be reborn. The appearance would not matter as a skykid can change their appearance as mush as they like and their friends would still recognise them. Meaning that the physical looks are not what makes up a skykid physically, but it does represent their individual dentity.

As far as the physical body as the concerned, it may be possible that it would likely be a new body each time. Since the old on le would be destroyed in Eden

[thin dirge]

I had this long standing theory all life came from a single point, which was the Light/Orbit. I used to theorized that it became very small because it shed itself to become all life as we know today (tho later discarded cause I thought it just appeared that way for the end credits and to endlessly zoom out), but then the origins story depicted in Act 2 Quest is shockingly similar to the old theory I had about the Light and birth of all life

The "shimmering star" could be the very first for all we know

[nimble ingot]

True.
The script did not state how many motes though.
But that might be because it can depend on the star, though it is clear that there may be one or many motes from 1 star.

It does sound a bit reminiscent to real life stars.
If I understand it correctly, they are born in a Nebula, then mature into a fully formed star, then when they are near the end of their life, the star may do a few things. Either swell up and become a red giant, and from then kn can go supernova and die or swell back down and become a neutron star.
When it explodes in a supernove, it can become a nebula and raise new stars, become a black hole or silently die off.

[thin dirge]

It may also just be an altered version of the origin story of Sky's universe, a folklore, a story told as some bedtime story and the message is actually about rebirth (As it has some moral lesson at the end, like every folklore or something).

So it may reference the universe's origin story, but it's actually a story about rebirth in Sky generally.

Or, the final line could actually be referring to the light creatures instead, how they can now be constantly reborn after death, rather than it being about the death of the star leading to the birth of creatures

[wanton nest]

The problem with some of the lore docs is that their ideas about origins come from conversations in 2019. While this would be alright if the old lore introduction was still canon, it was later replaced with a new canon that implies a different origin of the Sky people

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
It is best to clarify when one is aware that one is discussing the old lore (Light Awaits), and when discussing the present/current lore in the game.

The saying, Sky lore is like an onion, has more than one use aside from being a joke.

[rigid mural]

2019 was launch year, not quite Light Awaits anymore xD

[nimble ingot]

up to July 2019, yes

Come to think of it, have a look at this, Sky's release dates over the platforms were as follows:
ios was July 2019
Android was April 2020
Nintendo Switch was June 2021

*Silently praying that PC would get a release some time between April and July 2022 🙏

[wanton nest]

The first narrative started with these lines:

“With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell… Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.”

The implication is that the Sky people were created by the Light and lived in Orbit, but a cataclysmic event sent them down to the sky below where they made a new kingdom. However, the narrative was later updated:

“With the stars united, our light was infinite, and together we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many, creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came, and the stars fell…”

The canon implication now is that the Sky people’s home in the sky is their rightful place, but then a cataclysmic event destroyed their kingdom

[rigid mural]

Bricky (main dude behind the lore docs) is an Enchantment vet that was still active here in november last year, so the lore doc isn't that ancient either

@wanton nest

[nimble ingot]

In Sky terms, it feels old given the project for the game started in 2017 and officially released in 2019.

But 2 years is not really much since season of Enchantment XD

[wanton nest]

This is the original narrative

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY

[white junco]

I just wish the current intro didn’t call them spirits. makes my brain hurt

[wanton nest]

And then there was this narrative, which is the canon one now

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ICnt_pT_ro

[nimble ingot]

I like to think it is the current canon, that has revised the old version that was also canon.

[wanton nest]

I really do miss the “Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.”

[white junco]

“As spirits, we soon became many, creating our home here among the clouds” still confuses me so much

[nimble ingot]

"Our Light was infinite"

[white junco]

oh wow I didn’t realize that there was a bit of text that shows up before the murals… “The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival… and your light.”
so the narrator isn’t an isle spirit (didn’t expect them to be), but the “we” in the next section makes me think it isn’t megabird either… is it actually isle elder? or someone else?

[nimble ingot]

It seemed like the old intro could have been told from the perspective of an elder or megabird (or the prince, but the "go forth child" part would make it weird).
Then it changed to more of the ancestors' perspective, especially with it being told in first person ("we").

[rigid mural]

the king ?

[wanton nest]

I assume that it’s Light itself (Megabird), with it being a conglomeration of all the light creatures and desiring that the trapped souls in the Sky kingdom be safely brought to it?

[white junco]

the king narrating the intro

[formal skiff]

I find the idea of it being Isle Elder really really sweet even though there’s no evidence for it

[chilly gazelle]

If your voice is known as "a call", would spam honking be speed dialing?

[white junco]

there’s a crash of thunder on “…and with their light we faded away”

[rigid mural]

We do know the Light calls

[formal skiff]

“Hello this is Megabird how can I help you”

[rigid mural]

let me pull out my intro timeline again lmaooo

[white junco]

oh and at the end of the mural sequence you’re drawn out of the cave by the sound of bells, which seems to be a big isle theme

[nimble ingot]

He can try as he might with his staff constellations in the murals. But the poor man could get his own constellation to show up in the elder temple cutscene without the other constellations to crowd the sky.

Frankly, it was not a change I think is for the better. It sets a wrong first impression with the rest of the temples, and spoils the excitement of seeing the other temple constellations when you see them crammed together in Dawn.
If anything, rather having just Dawn's constellation up there and then saying something along the lines of "Seek out the other Temples and awaken the Elders" would've sufficed.

[rigid mural]

i know this isnt the final thing i made but spade pspspsppspsspsps

the performance spirits knowing what desert isle & red eden are might mean the stars falling didnt wipe the ancestors out. and...

there's "apocalypse" and "post apocalypse" here, so the dissapearance of ancestors likely was far from sudden if they had time to live in a post apocalyptic world (also abyss kinda hints that too)

[chilly gazelle]

My joking aside, this is a personal theory that the last person you save in Eden is literally yourself. One small detail I like about the last child you save is that they are always the same size as you, whether you are super tall or chibi size.

And if the prince king(? i am unfamiliar with this personally) theory is strong, maybe it means we are in some way connected to this ruler for similar reasons?

[rigid mural]

cutting things like im making a scrapbook, but since the stars falling didnt immediately spell the end of civilisation, then maybe things became better thanks to darkstone being faster and/or more efficient before getting apocalyptically worse. hence...

I like to think darkness could be a euphemism for pollution blocking the view of the night sky, and thus the stars

Like, imagine, ancestors using stars as guidance back in the isle-prairie eras, and the coming of darkstone makes it harder to see the stars, at first only near refineries, but as its use spreads, so does the pollution blocking the stars

[white junco]

that’s what I was thinking! The introduction of darkstone initially improved ancestor civilization, so that by the time things started getting worse they already had faith in it

[rigid mural]

humble merchants that travelled with starmaps and trusting light creatures on their migration paths (hence daleth being a guide through migrating birds) being forced to use darkstone after its production makes it difficult to navigate like in the olden days

[uncut pond]

I think the stars might be the Elders themselves, I headcanon that their power comes both from their constellations and from the light offerings made to them in the temples

Since Sky has this theme of rebirth, and taking into consideration the Performance quest, maybe ancestors had children through this cycle of rebirth?

The death of an ancestor maybe meant the birth of a new one, every ancestor whose spirit ascended became a star in the Elder's constellation, letting another one descend continuing the cycle

This is purely based off vibes btw, I have no actual evidence to support anything

[high dagger]

I am a bit late but if your Black Hole Theroy is correct then consider that when a Black Hole eats a star it also spews some of what it can't consume of that energy back out into space. In theory this could be our Skykids.
We actually don't know too much about black holes as they can be very difficult to observe but consider; A star can take hundreds of years to be consumed and as its being devoured it is partially being ripped apart into smaller peices that are shot back out into space.
Perhaps the darkness explosion was essentially a Supernova? A star, Prince/King, Exploded into a Supernova and then Eden became a black hole of sorts. Bits of that "Supernova" became Skykids and theybare constantly diving into that black hole only to be shot back out.
It's not fully coherent but I thought I'd leave this here to add to the plausibility of your theory.
TLDR; Skykids are spacedust from a star(King) exploding and are now constantly being consumed and regurgitated by a black hole

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have a list of all options in Quest 2?.

[rigid mural]

Yeah, like that too ! Maybe it was both litteral and a euphemism; maybe the elders got power from the stars/being worshipped, and pollution broke that link between earthbound worshippers and elders, or if they already fell by now, between them and the stars

[hushed steeple]

Omg thank you

Btw this quest is more revealing than everything we've got i hope more quests of performance do this
(I didn't see every quest in beta I'm taking no spoilers)

[uncut pond]

The constellations in Vault show the Elders interacting directly with the ancestors so my theory is that while the Elders'powers definitely were from the stars, that's not where they physically existed

They exist where their ancestors exist, with all the ancestors dead the Elders were confined to whatever their cutscenes are supposed to be, BUT when we ascend all of their spirits, the Elders are able to manifest in orbit

[rigid mural]

Maybe the elders were worshipped when still in the sky (isle intro murals, ancestors praying to isle constellation), but they later fell and still tried to guide their protegees (vault murals).

[uncut pond]

YEAH that's a good one too, yours makes more sense tbh

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone know if the Teleknesis (floating thing with power of mind) are natural or gifted.
Like is it something you can receive or Learn over time.
?

[cunning shell]

I would guess that Telekinesis is a learned skill and not a genetically exclusive

[regal forge]

Which elder is at the correct height for a skid to go for the knees

[hushed steeple]

And also some of the descriptions on the quest feels like to similar to little prince quests like the two kids exploring.
What if it's the King/queen?

Like the options said "She" at least on the Portuguese language.

Are these symbols some sort of language hundreds of years ago?🤨

You can see them in constellations 3d model crabs from switch trailer
And the floating blocks area

[nimble ingot]

The symbols/logos might be an easter egg from Journey.
Other than that, the blocks could be like storage units for the memory lanterns.

[hushed steeple]

Ok ... So no signs of a language so far.

[thorny zealot]

Maybe the darkness is just TGC's view in pollution and the way we hurt are plant and creatures.

It's like a child when they go though traumatic experiences they can see things/people as actual monsters.

So maybe there isn't really a darkness it's just pollution in the view of the poeple so far.

It did say we were thriving when the darkness fell.

So it would kind of make sense, as in our world big populations make pollution and can tend to ruin things..

Have a nice day.

[hushed steeple]

And who was in a war we see diamond and Sun logos.
Is it Elders vs King/scientist in Vault?

Like the scientist and king get way popular the closer you get to orbit

[thorny zealot]

I think the diamond might be the king. And the Sun the valley

[hushed steeple]

And soldier/warrior Elder seems like it was defending the gate against Dark dragons with his Spear.
The more close you get the more defensive structures we see and spears shields catapults

[nimble ingot]

hmmm.....

As far as the game and its players are concerned. I'd think no, based on the fact that TGC has not (to my knowledge) posted an explanation about the symbol's meaning and if there is a fictional language.

Though, lorewise, one can deduce that the ancestors would probably have a written language, as well as a verbal one to communicate. Even if the game never shows the characters actually speaking (aside from text subtitles in season of the Little Prince).

Looking at Journey, the same deductions apply, though the symbols in that game were used for a different purpose.
The symbols were used to identify a player, not any particular player, just something for the player to associate with the stranger they are playing with.
While in the lore of the game, it is implied these logos, could be symbolic to the cloth creatures, the creation of life as the logos are woven into the creatures. And in turn either represent the creature.

[thorny zealot]

We're the sun and diamonds both defending the gate?

[hushed steeple]

I still don't know if it was an alliance or enemy's.
Maybe I'm leaning more in there was a War before The Krill invasion.

[thorny zealot]

Mhm

But who says they invaded?

[nimble ingot]

It is uncertain who were the warriors.
What we do know is the battle mostly took place in Wasteland, the soldiers were large (possibly the same size as the elders) and their bodies either disintegrated over time or were removed from the battlefield (making it difficult to determine if the soldiers could be organic or have been made of stone or some material to be golems).

Going off the mural at the top of Vault, and the one in the Cave of Prophecy, the elder was seen fighting with ancestors or something that looks like ancestors.

[nimble ingot]

It is very likely a war. The place is called a Battlefield, and there are weapons and barricaded scattered across the dunes.

[nimble ingot]

According to the old lore, there used to be creatures that were corrupted by the darkness. Aside from the Krill, the ancestors and the elders were fighting dark creatures that grew hostile based on the concept art for Light Awaits.

The current lore though is uncertain based on the lack of animal skeletons and no humanoid remains.

[hushed steeple]

Hey so another thing there's no representation of the first Elder after the first realm.
And he's not on the Eden gate.

[nimble ingot]

The only indication of the Dawn elder, the ferryman, are the boats near the gate.
Though you are correct that the Dawn elder is not the gate.

[hushed steeple]

I'm making a list of all creatures
We got
Birds,butterflies,mantas,cosmic mantas,Whales,JellyFish,Crown jellyfish ,Fish in abyss,Turtles, Crabs,Koi fish, Eel ,and the dragons

And these guys here

[nimble ingot]

you can add koi fish that live in the pond at home, as well as the pond at the entrance of the Day temple

As well as an eel (nickname) for the slender and elusive creature that swims in the Abyss area and leaves behind a trail of bubbles.

[hushed steeple]

Well I'm hoping sky animation does reveal some stuff and confirm some things.
And some sort of timeline from: this is great > this is bad > it's an apocalypse
Even tho some spirits shows disaster happening especially the girl with bass instrument In wasteland

Lore chat lore chat
This is the "Ancestors table of belonging"
Like Elders in Light Awaits
With 8 seats for 7 Elders and the Eden Elder presumably!?!?

[hushed steeple]

I don't think wasteland got that throne room with broken chairs below rocks

[hushed steeple]

For me that's a bit casual for someone that important

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, it might be that I'm really slow, but I couldn't understand what you mean 😅

[rigid mural]

Back all the way in 2019, a cutscene took place here with the questgiver (grandma belonging), the 6 seasonal spirits, and your sky kid all having dinner :]
Hence the 8 seats.

[thorny zealot]

Maybe but even those rocks look too small for the elders.

[round shore]

What if Sky's lore had a modern time version

[hushed steeple]

Well, thanks for clarifying that.

[thorny zealot]

Sky kids flying around in New York

[hushed steeple]

After you see the first krill there's a room on the left.
Usually has two flowers to burn

[round shore]

People would pay the Sky kids to get a ride faster

[hushed steeple]

Tribes, tribal elders, and monarchies

[hushed steeple]

Even tho they do it for free in mantas(look at the flights spirit)

[thorny zealot]

Oh cooler idea, sky kids in New York, in the early 20th century

[round shore]

And what would sky kids do in quarantine sssss

[hushed steeple]

Play instruments, cuddle piles
commit arson

[slate saffron]

I WAS NOT EXPECTING LORE OUT OF THIS SEASON wHAT-

[hushed steeple]

Welcome to the "was not expecting lore" side

Well all i really want is to know more about the "A thousand Eyes"
https://c.tenor.com/gzHiamhsYFAAAAAM/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia.gif

He is more armored than any krill
While krills knocks you he does swallow you.
His eyes remind me of red stones in Eden and the big diamond (which is now Red)

[nimble ingot]

Krill eyes can glow blue and red.
The leviathan (nickname) are always red.
What both creatures have in common are that they both are corrupted.

[nimble ingot]

Hey, Lore chat!

What do you call a Skykid without Light?

[white junco]

dead?

[nimble ingot]

Burned out

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if the Krills ((I call them Skrills because words)) were once light creatures like the other animals in the game? Also if we’re assuming that the Golden Wasteland was a former ocean/battlefield ((which, because of the spirits you find there and the various ruins and clues)) who were they fighting?

I might be thinking to far into this, but the walls and structures and old blockades found around the first area of the Wasteland make me think they were fighting other people, or at least humanoid-ish beings, and not krill, because as seen, Krill can just float over whatever the heck they want…

[carmine grove]

there's a theory that krills are corruped whales

[native shoal]

I think the leviathan is a corrupted whale, no idea about krill tho

[wheat cypress]

I've been researching these symbols in sky for many months now... Sky seems to have three or four stages of writing, the writing on those crabs could be stylized ideographs rather than Alphabetical, and the symbols on those cubes most likely represent the cubes contents... I'm going to delv into this this week so if you'd like I can update you as the project goes along

[hushed steeple]

They call it Mia

[frigid tinsel]

Jenova Chen, founder of TGC, confirmed that krill are corrupted, likely corrupted light creatures

[white junco]

I think there’s also a quote floating around somewhere that says all creatures were naturally born into the world of sky

[hushed steeple]

I always thought that the creature we see on the floor before Vault summit was the uncorrupted krill…
Like I saw it silhouetted once and it looked like a krill so that's what sparked the thought
Another thought I had was that once the kingdom found out the diamond was evil, they tried to find alternatives to a Skykid's light to power it. One such alternative may have been using the Light creatures' call.
But the creatures couldn't handle it and died in the process. They could, however, extract the evil from the krill in the process, but it died, too.

[white junco]

I think we’ll get some more krill hints when the sky animation comes out, since the creature in the switch trailer is one of the more likely options for an uncorrupted krill and we’re seeing more of that type of light creature

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, waiting for that as well
Where will we be able to see the animation when it comes out?

[white junco]

maybe on youtube? i’m sure we’ll know when the time comes

screenshot of the light critter from the switch trailer, it has a searchlight just like krill.
also in the bottom right corner we see some bells in the desert. it could be that the green isle of the past was surrounded by desert, and that desert crept in over time. Once again we see bells guiding travelers in dawn

[carmine grove]

i was going to talk about that big guy but i'm in class and the teacher called me XD

the krills could be those but corrupted yeee

[hushed steeple]

When I saw the Switch trailer, I had to abandon my little hypothesis too

[white junco]

I don’t think anyone could’ve planned for the switch trailer it definitely caused a stir
I wonder, if they hadn’t included the comparison with the desert isle, how long it would’ve taken people to realize that it wasn’t prairie?

[hushed steeple]

I also wonder.. How does one get corrupted?? The diamond has something to do with it for sure, but how would that happen?? Throughout the game we're always uncorrupting stuff, but how did it get there in the first place?

I'm curious, theoretically, could light child's and spirits become corrupted, becoming patrons of darkness rather then light?

[rapid arrow]

But also if you look at the mantas when you ring all the bells in the prairie they also have a blue light like krills

[white junco]

hm, i’m not sure… both skykids and ancestors have a soul that appears as a blue light, which i don’t think the creatures have. The spirits are encased in darkness, but they don’t become aggressive like the krills. You could probably corrupt a skykids light, but not their soul
Although, skykids seem to be sustained by the winged light, whereas ancestors probably only had their own inner light, so who’s to say

[trim yoke]

Wait really? 👁️👁️

I never noticed, however I have seen that mantas do have like a purple trail at times, ESPECIALLY in the flight to orbit 👁️👁️

[white junco]

can you elaborate, it’s not that I don’t believe you but I’ve never noticed that and that is a very very interesting detail

[rapid arrow]

Yep. Let me just speedrun the bells

[bronze arch]

Update me as well!

I haven't watched the Switch trailer yet, I'll have to later.

[rapid arrow]

Hi ok. It’s that diamond thing. It’s blue and if I am correct the same colour as the krill spot light.

[white junco]

omg it is blue…

[trim yoke]

OOOOOO I got a few angles of it as well just then

Also mouth 👄

[rapid arrow]

Also mantas have a mouth. That scares me

[white junco]

they remind me of the light thingies in the masks for these two in particular

[trim yoke]

IKR JUST: 👄

[bronze arch]

Mantas really be like:
👄
👁️

[keen shore]

Psst psst . The manta in the 5th abyss quest had the same soul

[white junco]

losing my mind where are my screenshots

[rapid arrow]

The sound of the manta also comes from the diamond thing as we see here

[keen shore]

Isn’t the same thing true for our forehead diamond?

[rapid arrow]

Diamonds are where sounds come from?

[keen shore]

The sound is stored in the diamond

[rapid arrow]

Was this always know or am I being dumb?

[frigid tinsel]

when deep calling, the visual soundwave seems to circulate around there the diamond headpiece is in masks

[white junco]

does anyone have any clearer images of the mantas we free in abyss quest 4, the diamond looks yellowish here

[rapid arrow]

They swim around in the abyss area I’m pretty sure

[trim yoke]

Manta be like 👄

[rapid arrow]

Back there you go

[trim yoke]

:o

[white junco]

so they do look more yellow…

I also found my footage from abyss quest 5, and in the moment I never noticed that this manta has the stars that we see spirits have, so this manta is a spirit. would that confirm that the spirit mantas in the vault aren’t just deceased mantas?

[keen shore]

YES I THINK IT DOES IVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR LIKE FOREVER

[solid shard]

could be like how skykids and spirits r different things....

[white junco]

I WAS ALWAYS SKEPTICAL ABOUT THAT NGL bc the memory whisperer is near those bones but… holy damn. I need to pay attention during quests. In my defense my frame rate dropped like a brick and it was hard to see anything

[rapid arrow]

Spirit mantas could be like mentors. They teach us things I believe even a manta guides us through a lot of the realms

[white junco]

i love my phone I love how sky runs on it 🙂

[keen shore]

I want to check the wmemory whisperer manta just to be sure. That could also be a spirit but of a different species

[white junco]

vault bones have a skull, maybe they’re not actually from a manta

[bronze arch]

It looks like it's exploding at the end.

[bronze arch]

You got any better ideas of what they ARE?

[white junco]

same creature?

[keen shore]

I could see those being manta bones — I meant like a similar species that has drastically different coloring but similar bones. Enough that you could tell their spirits apart at a glance. Like… domestic cats and black footed cats

[white junco]

you lost me on the coloring bit, my point was that the skeleton has a skull that resembles the giant skulls found in the starlight desert and the graveyard

[bronze arch]

Black-footed?

[keen shore]

wolves and African wild dogs might be a better example
Like, their bones look similar, but when fully reconstructed and alive, they are obv different

[rapid arrow]

Also the mantas, have weird skulls I’m sure,

[white junco]

there are also spiny looking things on the back of the vault bones, which I wouldn’t think the mantas have

[trim yoke]

Maybe it's like the subspecies that we see on the fifth floor but like... Non spirit form?

I mean there's a tone of floaty bones there too

[nimble ingot]

The bones resemble the ones in Graveyard, Wasteland.
It could possibly be a whurtle (Whale Turtle Hybrid) that was mentioned in tbe past.

[keen shore]

To illustrate my point
First pic: wolf
Second pic: African wild dog skull
Third pic: Wolf skull
Fourth pic: African wild dog

(Edit: one sec, came out jumbled)

[white junco]

whale turtles?? omg wait do we know what they looked like??

[nimble ingot]

Looking it up now. 🔎

[keen shore]

those are their ribs :3 I THINK

[white junco]

trying to figure out how the skeleton is oriented, bone structures my beloathed

[rapid arrow]

Whale turtle?

[terse agate]

Why spirit dont have bones?

[nimble ingot]

whale could imply their size and a tail?

[keen shore]

honestly no idea. It could be anywhere from “sky is a kids game and leaving people skeletons everywhere would be too dark” (unlikely) to “their biology just didnt let them leave bones”

[trim yoke]

👁️👁️
TORTEL?

[nimble ingot]

Human skeletons in the game might be a bit much, the closest we get to human remains are thus the statues.

[white junco]

isn’t there a concept somewhere that says ancestor bones were made from charcoal? maybe they stuck with that or something similar

[terse agate]

Maybe the bone are in the grave

[sharp lichen]

Or maybe they died in a way that didn’t leave any bones

[white junco]

found it, bottom right

[frigid tinsel]

in Zhao's concepts, light creatures leave behind bones if they died an unnatural death. he also said that "ancients" – though probably referring to Elders but to him Elders and ancestors weren't too different – were composed of a form of charcoal as well as creature bones.
(trying to find the unnatural death quip but here's what I got so far– Spade got it, sweet).

[keen shore]

Most methods of killing someone still leave bones behind, even if you want them not to be. Dissolving them in acid still leaves behind bone fragments, and setting them on fire (unless you stick them in like. an incinerator) still usually leaves behind bones

[trim yoke]

Hear me out.... ||The first moffs knocked the mantas or whatever out of the skies in wasteland with the catapult, and decided to feast on them
The bones are all that's left||

[rapid arrow]

Bones are bones. But the spirits they don’t have bones

[frigid tinsel]

spirits don't have bones cos they're spirits. whether living ancestor bodies had bones are debatable.

[ocean saddle]

I missed on witnessing this bit, sorry

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
oh my word, lol
Pre-Abyss season coincidental speculation.

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat predicting the future, episode 36

[sacred mauve]

What is the current mantas are like the spirits of the mantas from the past, and the bones of the are lying around

[ocean saddle]

THEY PREDICTED SEASON OF ABYSS LAST YEAR!?!?!?!?

[bronze arch]

Someone said that they didn't want an 👑 Eden Season because it'd have to be lore-heavy. I do agree on the lore-heavy part, I feel that it'd be less story-based and more world-building based.

[nimble ingot]

I shared an idea suggestion for a future season. That was just a coincidence and though to point it out.

[keen shore]

That is exactly the reason I want an Eden season

[bronze arch]

I want Skids fighting corrupted Spirits to restore them.

[white junco]

I want an eden season but only if it’s in an area where we don’t have to deal with constantly getting hit by rocks

[rapid arrow]

We smack them with the firework staff/lh

[bronze arch]

Also a decent point. The "base of operations" would probably be a cave.

[rapid arrow]

And underground cavern! Filled with new plants. Lanterns, books, maps and everything

[bronze arch]

Not everyone has a firework staff. Maybe we could learn and use a horizontal dash-fly to attack them?
I also imagine "Edensouls" would be red, in contrast to the common blue of Spirits and to fit Eden's motif.
Also I want the Eden Guide to be purple, as if something went wrong mid-restoration.

[nimble ingot]

Ok, could not find a mention from a dev in the chat.
Though think it had to be mentioned at some point.

Still going to keep looking for a bit.

[keen shore]

every time spade gets hit by a rock, pasta is made

[bronze arch]

...
*uses rapid-fire rock launcher on Spade*

[white junco]

could it have looked like this guy? (cut beta content)
i remember seeing concept art that had similar creatures on it

[bronze arch]

Someone give me an image of a Spirit so I can use ibisPaint on it (and also give me Abyss Guide).

[nimble ingot]

The Reefback Turtle (nickname)
Based on the head, it is possible, though dont think the turtle would not exactly be the same creature as in the wasteland.

I think it could be this thing.

[rapid arrow]

Coughs

[keen shore]

SO TRUE THANK YOU FOR THE DIAGRAM

[rapid arrow]

:)

[outer hare]

bobbit-

[formal skiff]

Science

[bronze arch]

God I remember this conversation.
More accurately, the one that followed this message.

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMEWengBP5w
Oh for Heaven's sake, thunder in Enchantment.

Does that mean the darn ark itself was the one struck down in a thunder storm?
I was honestly holding out for the possibility that the mural was referring to another boat and the forgotten ark is the symbolic representation of it.
I guess not!
So it could be the very ark the elders or some ancestors had used after all.

Which means, the merchants stumbled upon it years later and made it into a market place. They could not have been the once to have ridden the boat right? If they did, how on earth would they survive the landing????

I think the merchants must have been looking for a place to set up shop and got stranded there instead.

[frigid tinsel]

You’d be surprised what people can survive

[nimble ingot]

"any landing you can walk away from, is a good landing"
I suppose

[rapid arrow]

It was probably a storm and krill combined to just make everything go

[frigid tinsel]

even then, they prob could have all died in the crash then just wandered around the crash site as spirits all "now what?"

[bronze arch]

Even tho there's literally a boat home-

[frigid tinsel]

may not have been there during the ancestors' time

[solid shard]

hello lore friends i have returned whatre ur lore explanations on travelling spirits? why do they come back to home specifically?

[frigid tinsel]

Home is a safe, light-filled spot where the spirits don't get petrified. also ascended spirits may return as travelling spirits as a sort of thank you or just to hang out with the skids

[nimble ingot]

It is the hub for the game.

Lorewise, it could be a safe place for skykids to be born in and isolated from the other realms and the storm that is in the distance.
I am not sure what else Home could represent in the lore other than what would be justified by the game.

[bronze arch]

I'd like to continue with our 👑 Eden Season idea. Any ideas for how the spirits even got there? How they got corrupted? How the Season would help the general population? (e.g. Abyss introduced diving, Performance introduced the... well the performances)

[keen shore]

The implication seems to be that that ark was the enchantment spirits’. Why else would they know the full story of it to paint on the side, and know what to do with the lights the mural depicted?
As for them somehow surviving the crash… the guide is depicted on one of the murals falling, but never again. They also aren’t in any spirit memories. It leads to the common headcanon that they died during the crash

[keen shore]

this doesn’t have to be the enchantment spirits’ boat, it could be the boat from a rescue mission who realized they weren’t fast enou

[bronze arch]

Maybe 👑 Eden Season could introduce fighting things like krills? Or maybe secret battles? I don't want violence, I want something like Kirby fights. I want to dash-fly into the Elders in battle.

[rapid arrow]

Man I do really want an Eden and a vault season

[bronze arch]

We're not getting another Vault season for a while, it'd seem. We'll need another Isle season first.

[rapid arrow]

Oooo yes yes

[bronze arch]

To end off the year, I think, we'll get Eden

[frigid tinsel]

could just get another season quest that makes us go to Eden

[bronze arch]

Winter 21-22 was Abyss (Wasteland)
Spring 22 is Performance (Valley)
Summer 22 could be Forest
Fall 22 could be Prairie
Winter 22-23'd be Eden
Spring 23'd be Isle
Summer 23'd be Vault

[frigid tinsel]

woah slow down there, I'm still not over the fact that it's almost May 2022 and you talking about 2023 /lh

[bronze arch]

I know only speed.

Fall 23'd be Wasteland again
Winter 23-24'd be Valley again

[raw crypt]

oh my god its gonna be may

[slate saffron]

spring 25' they add a new realm

Summer 25' they release 2 ™️ ©️

[white junco]

don’t be silly 2025 isn’t real

[slate saffron]

You made sure of that, haven't you?

[keen shore]

I haven’t accepted that time has progressed past 2020 yet. In my brain 2022 isn’t a real year

[white junco]

what do you mean it’s not still March 2020

[keen shore]

If we get ANOTHER forest season I’m going to cry laughing, why is forest elder hoarding all the seasons

[slate saffron]

Time is an illusion
One that shall be shorty unmade

[keen shore]

Flight is supposed to be a prairie season but somehow got absorbed into the Forest Season anyways

For perspective, possible/speculated forest seasons

• lightseekers
  -belonging
• assembly
  -flight

[white junco]

i agree with you but why is lightseekers such a forest season… even before DoB. is it the umbrella?

[keen shore]

Lightseekers just has forest energy I can’t explain it

[karmic ledge]

Placement of flights area in forest is intentional, as well as its heavy prairie connections! For both geographical (think of the direction you enter the Wind Paths from in forest, along with the notable landmarks nearby) and backstory reasons regarding the spirits and also where on the timeline the founding of wind paths takes place

[keen shore]

OHHHHHHH WAIT SO. it IS possible to reconstruct timelines from lore? Is this again implying that Forest’s founding?exploration? took place later in the kingdoms lifespan or am I misinterpreting

[white junco]

when entering teenhood you have the option to forgo the angst and instead become a huge fan of birds

[fickle wing]

i like how the flight area is in forest cause of the flight qg prairie elders apprentice bit n i adore the idea that prairie n forest r besties so prairie just went ahead n sent flight there like someone dropping off their kid so a friend can watch em

[keen shore]

The flight spirits fill me with an amount of joy that I would not have anticipated from the season trailer + previews. Especially chimesmith and light whisperer is just 💛

[white junco]

in all seriousness you leave prairie (childhood) and go to enter forest (adolescence). but before you get to the rain, you veer off and enter a bright area reminiscent of prairie. The flight spirits are all very passionate about what they do, perhaps some of it is about how a dream/passion can get you through hard times?

[karmic ledge]

theres a few reasons why wind paths entrance is located where it is! but it is intentional that flight kinda feels like a hybrid season for realm influence

i cant stay im sorry but i poked in and wanted to offer that lil tidbit haha

[keen shore]

THATS SO COOL I love how it got put in the forest-prairie blender. (Shared custody )

[white junco]

never realized it before but the spirits that show up in the final quest are all sanctuary island spirits and forest spirits

[fickle wing]

oh i love that

[keen shore]

I wonder how deep the sanctuary 🤝 connection goes. Like there’s lots of lore reasons to say they’re connected and it’s heavily implied in light whisperers fun facts thst they’re connected somehow, plus it’s really cute to imagine them being friends

[white junco]

wind paths opening text. i’d like to think that this also includes the sanctuary bells guiding creatures to the sanctuary

“An escape from daily civilization” probably applies to both the spirits and the light creatures… maybe later in the kingdoms history, places like the wind paths and the sanctuary islands worked together to create safe places for light creatures to exist

[keen shore]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING. I have to wonder if both of them getting closed off from the world might’ve been purposeful to keep the light creatures safe from corruption/harvesting, or the bells were destroyed for that reason? If the treasure reef island got turned into a refinery, I can totally see ancestors wanting to do the same to sanc as well,

[white junco]

jellyfish are the light creatures of the forest elder, and they only appear in hidden forest and the sanctuary islands. They’re not nearly as mobile as mantas either… I wonder if they’re native to the islands, or if they were introduced to have a protected population in case things went wrong in forest

[frigid tinsel]

while the Wind Paths's entrance may be in Forest, I suppose it wouldn't be far off to associate it as it's own space separate or adjacent to the other realms since it is a transitional or liminal space linking all the other realms together. while I can't page down why the entrance is in Forest, Ash calling it a hybrid season for realm influence does make sense considering the wind paths connect all the realms together, making them more accessible to each other

[keen shore]

imagining jellyfish whisperer as like their animal handler or something is really cute

[white junco]

unsure if this is lore related but it’s also an absolute pain sometimes to get up to the wind paths. Forest entrance tries to send you down to the rain area, you have to flap pretty hard

[keen shore]

I can see why something like the wind paths would have an entrance in forest, due to the realm’s heavy focus on manufacturing stuff and just being an industrial center. It’s not close to the ocean like wasteland, meaning something like that would be needed to transport the finished products.

The only issue I have with this is that it’s hard to imagine the flight spirits letting their islands be used for darkstone transportation (saying flight guide is a spy would justify this)

[white junco]

i’m trying to draw connections between the enchantment and flight areas. Enchantment has fun silly emotes, and the area is restored and reclaimed from the wasteland bad vibes, just as flight is an isolated place very different from the rest of forest

[frigid tinsel]

didn't Flight guide's character card say they founded the Wind Paths in order to link back to a simpler time? "simpler" perhaps meaning apart from heavy darkstone usage and the darkness pollution the manufacturing produced.

the line for entering the Hidden Forest says to uncover the ancient power, perhaps referring to darkstone and power diamonds. so in a way the Wind Paths are the Forest's antithesis – while Forest is first discovering and utilizing darkstone tech, the Wind Paths are trying to return to a time before darkstone tech

[keen shore]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING. ashs timeline comment made me suspicious because it reminded me of the whole implication that Forest was discovered(?) later and so would the wind paths by that logic

[white junco]

oh hey, what about those murals under the bridge in forest ? with all the boats filled with jars. could there be something related to this there?
i need to take new screenshots of those, mine kind of suck

[frigid tinsel]

what funky file format is that

[rigid mural]

i've been flying around the dreams village because quests, and realised that the social areas are basically graveyards, right ? what if the valley social area was the village's graveyard specifically

[turbid cliff]

Hiiii

This is completely off topic, but that one adorable image where a moth was standing with Megabird and was calling them mother and Megabird was going "Oh, look how you've grown" has been living in my mind rent free this whole work day and I can't stop imagining a sky kid, who's visibly exhausted from their trip in Eden, goes to orbit and reaches Megabird again, only for them to say "Mother.. is it okay if I just take a nap here, before I go...? ..Please..?"

[bronze arch]

Where are the paths?

[keen shore]

0506 accidentally invents an entirely new file format /j

[bronze arch]

.jfif is just an image file from Twitter.
Just rename the file to make it a .png or .jpg.

[keen shore]

?? how did you come to this conclusion I have never noticed this :0

[rigid mural]

salem i dont bite, what do you not understand about what i said

[keen shore]

I DIDNT NOTICE THEY WERE GRAVEYARDS!!!! WHAT

[white junco]

go into forest, take off from the social area, but then go to the right and up. there’s an area entrance in that direction which will take you to the wind paths

[rigid mural]

we call the spirits from gravestones, which are conveniently arranged to accomodate people visiting

[keen shore]

also you don’t bite people? Lame. Open your mind. It’s incredibly fun, provides extra nutrients, and is an amazing outlet for pent up anger

[keen shore]

oh. oh no wait. I thought you meant the social light areas 💔 💔 1 brain cell activate

[rigid mural]

I won't bite you. I can bite someone that annoys me just to grief me.

[white junco]

what is confusing about this /gen I explained where the wind paths were

[keen shore]

[hiding pipe prop behind back] Ah I see. A reasonable decision

[frigid tinsel]

Wind Paths map by Sky Infographics since someone was asking for it and we're dealing with wonky file formats

[white junco]

speaking of graveyards, any ideas on why some areas have graves/graveyards separate from the social area? Thinking of the ones right next to the Saluting Captain, in Praying Acolyte’s room, and the cave where Tearful Light Miner is

[final mist]

Flight entrance was set there because it is in the centre of sky kingdom( by nick and ash many months ago)

Edit: The map was made by TGC, it was released in an flight interview for China server’s company.

But this map was not released on International Sever’s pages

[frigid tinsel]

Saluting Captain and Tearful Light Miner likely buried their companions as they died. Praying Acolyte may not have made those graves, but they likely maintain the graves, as shown in their memory they're put candles on the graves.

[compact obsidian]

I'm highly sure all of their instances are the same as Tearful Light Miner's; close friends that have passed away before them.

They could be some of the seasonal spirits that we have encountered nearby their gravestones (for Prayong Acolyte's case) or just another anonymous spirit

[rigid mural]

But yeah. While I don't consider the changing rooms canon...
Isle cemetery may have been damaged due to the sea rising, desertification and possibly erosion and land displacement hence the lack of stuff to see.
Prairie cemetery has a nice little koi pond for people to hang out by and relax.
Forest cemetery may be right next to the Prairie temple to avoid damage since wetlands are real bad for graves.
Valley cemetery is uphill, within reach of the village. Perhaps mountains were sacred and being closer to the sky made the trip to the stars easier, or so they believed.
Wasteland cemetery is practical, next to boats so people may pay their respects on their way in or out.
Vault cemetery may be indoors since it may have been the last bastion of ancestor civilisation.

[frigid tinsel]

cemeteries don't have to be solemn, depressing places. they could be akin to public parks, where recreational activities and socializing takes place, to celebrate life in reverence of the dead.

[compact obsidian]

omg who's the artist for this

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! Hence why the prairie and valley ones got something to hang out by, love the little building thing whose name i keep on forgetting in the valley one

[frigid tinsel]

not clear who the artist is. this is a map released by NetEase, who manages the Sky China server. though NetEase seems to have a lot more creative freedom without conferring with TGC, so the official canon of this map is up to debate.

[rigid mural]

even forest got a lil cosy fireplace

[final mist]

That map was made by TGC, it was released in an flight interview for China server’s company NetEase.

But the map was not released on International Sever’s pages

[keen shore]

Something about the isle graveyard being right where we fall for the first time… I don’t know if it would be intentional on the ancestors part, but it Feels important. Symbolizing rebirth or something

Edit: maybe the spirits didn’t expect we’d have to save them, and thought we’d be able to summon them there to help us immediately?

[frigid tinsel]

you mean the pavilion in Valley's social space? just a little spot to chill and chat

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[frigid tinsel]

as I mentioned, the NetEase maps being official canon is debatable since NetEase doesn't confer with TGC much.

the Abyss concept though I know were made by Yui. they are concepts tbf. it's still interesting to see how the season developed

[final mist]

But i guess the season concepts are the same

[compact obsidian]

Is it possible the spirits once had their own pathways connecting to other realms aside from the graveyard if we consider that the social areas with the graveyards are secluded areas for the dead spirits?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, concepts are concepts. we still tend to reference them because they explain the devs' thought processes and sometimes gives a bit of worldbuilding info us lore-starved blokes crave

[final mist]

The map above was also shared by Yui actually

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

remember when sky kids directly landed there in Light Awaits

[novel marten]

Spirit: oh look a shooting star! Make a wish!

Spirit: wait, why is it getting bigger?

[final mist]

But yea, concpet art changes during development, they are for reference only

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird: hey dead guy! here's your skid

[rigid mural]

In Light Awaits, you didnt land in the Aviary (beta Home) after Orbit, you landed back on the first map: Isle. so it kinda cements better that it's a new beginning after the end.

[keen shore]

every child pointing candlemaker has adopted so far has been metaphorically (or physically) flung in their direction by the universe

[formal skiff]

Candlemaker: *concern *
Candlemaker: *adopts skid *

[frigid tinsel]

there was a brief moment when newborn skids were born in Isle, not Home. not exactly sure when that was but I landed there and I first played Sky in 6 August 2021 (I consider that canon for all intents & purposes cos it makes the most sense).

[novel marten]

I wonder if that’s why moths like candles… it reminds them of the ancestor who adopted one just like us a long time ago

[rapid arrow]

I think I also landed in the isle. Can’t remember it’s been a while

[marsh rivet]

Good evening lorechat, how we feeling about gay marriage and marriage in sky in general? I was thinkin of a concept where spirits could form "soul bonds" after they die so each can go live their lives as a spirit but their souls are still connected,, idk there's nothing hinted at it in the game i just liked the thought of it

[formal skiff]

I wish we still did that. I like it better, symbolically. It’s interesting that you mention that, because I was wondering why we didn’t fall there just the other day, without knowing it was like that in LA.

[keen shore]

If this is the skykids return from Eden then. They already got adopted
(If it’s them being born for the first time yes, they got adopted immediately)

[tranquil harbor]

I thought you meant as a gameplay element and had a mild train crash in my head. But yes, I like to think the spirits can get married

[keen shore]

every marriage in Sky is gay marriage <3

[novel marten]

It would also help people connect the cutscene with the city in Isle with the city in Orbit

[frigid tinsel]

city in Isle?

[formal skiff]

It can’t be straight if they’re all agender

[keen shore]

the quote “good evening lorechat, how are we feeling about gay marriage” is sending me to tears

[novel marten]

In the first isle cutscene when you warp in, you can see a castle, which is the same one you pass in Orbit

[turbid cliff]

I very vaguely remember possibly landing in Isle during the first time I played too! That was just a month before the date you mentioned :D

[rapid arrow]

Eyyyy, I also possibly landed in isle! Nice

[frigid tinsel]

When was Sky released on Nintendo Switch? Seems to line up with that.
I’m not a Switch moth but ik Sky was released on Switch in the Summer 2021

[keen shore]

I don’t know if any spirits in Sky are married, but I definitely feel like chill sunbather has gotten divorced at least once

[marsh rivet]

i know i definitely did! i started a wee bit later, late days of summer 2021, but i know for a fact that i started started in isle

[turbid cliff]

June 29 2021 from what I've seen!

[keen shore]

I also want marriage to exist in Sky because I feel like the valley elders would make an unhealthy amount of divorce jokes as a result

[frigid tinsel]

So Switch moths and adjacent players might’ve been born in Isle

[keen shore]

“Lost an arm and half of my city in the divorce” and then refuse to elebaorte

[turbid cliff]

haHA! I'M A COOL SKID NOW! /j

[novel marten]

Can’t have (honk) in Valley 😔

[white junco]

wait we landed in isle? was that like briefly implemented for a bit and then it went back to home or did we originally land in isle and that changed?

[rapid arrow]

I started back in 2019. So my memory is a bit foggy but I do remember the isle very clearly after the cutscene

[frigid tinsel]

Marriage, or some form of it, might’ve existed during the Sky kingdom. It’s a question of whether that marriage was sanctioned by the state for whatever reason, whether it allowed monogamous or polygamous marriages, how loose or strict divorce laws were, or what legal stuff was tied up in marriage like property ownership and taxes. Which goes into what kind of government the Sky kingdom had which is uhhhh brain doesn’t want to deal with that rn

[novel marten]

I don’t go to Eden enough to know

[white junco]

I started actually playing around August 2020, and I don't remember anything from the beginning

[rigid mural]

imagine candlemaker adopting all the moths back from their first time through eden, then

[bronze arch]

Candlemaker is best dad

[frigid tinsel]

I should put Candlemaker in the Abyss fic. or my main Skyfic.

[rigid mural]

do NOT hurt him

[compact obsidian]

finally some candlemaker love and appreciation

[marsh rivet]

Wait. new theory. The valley twins are kids of an unhealthy marriage turned healthy divorce. One wemt to live with parent one, the other with, well, the other. They all got kind of distant and so the valley splitying thing happened??? maybr their parents were the elders before the twins... but that's just a Theory! A GAYME THEORY

[white junco]

please be nice to him

[frigid tinsel]

If they’re in the Abyss fic they will get hurt, sorry.
Main Skyfic they’ll prob be okay so.

[bronze arch]

Candlemaker was actually my first Ascended Spirit, I think.

[keen shore]

you could put them in there as a spirit for Tineline Reasons and imply the hurt already happened. PETRIFY THEM

[rapid arrow]

They were mine too! Atleast fully ascended with everything bought

[white junco]

I'm in awe of everyone's memories, what

[frigid tinsel]

I remember things that are not important to my daily life

[keen shore]

I love them So much.

[rigid mural]

my first ascended spirit was pouty porter bc i wanted their cape

[white junco]

my first screenshot is of orbit, thanks for nothing past Spade

[novel marten]

I can remember all Pokémon names but not my class schedule

[bronze arch]

My fic is gonna start in the past, and Candlemaker's gonna be an angsty teen, and then after the time skip, he's officially a dad.

[keen shore]

I remember an unhealthy amount of information about cats and similar species, as well as Sky lore stuff, but then I forget where I put my clothes

Edit: honestly? Like 90% chance yes

[marsh rivet]

my first full spirit was cry spirit, i like them. they are ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[white junco]

I remembered to take some screenshots from when I started beta, you landed in home in november 2020

[frigid tinsel]

Yes 2/3 of lorechat is autistic or neurodivergent in some way

[keen shore]

I feel like 2/3 is a… conservative estimate honestly

[novel marten]

Most of us are hyperfixated on Sky in some way, makes sense

[rigid mural]

if you're on lore chat, im sorry but you're all gay or on the spectrum

[round pulsar]

both. both is good

[bronze arch]

Or both (like me).

[keen shore]

why did you put “or” when “and” is more accurate

[rigid mural]

unfortunately, not all of us are gay
yet

[white junco]

I found this older screenshot from when i started beta, why are the gates eyes glowing 👁️👁️

[keen shore]

the introduction of performance guide and cannoneer has made that number much lower

[rigid mural]

gate that detects gay people

[bronze arch]

2 things:

1. Y'all ship Modest Dancer and Forgetful Storyteller too?
2. Abyss Guide looks suspiciously like the little girl in Candlemaker's reliving.

[white junco]

it definitely works

[frigid tinsel]

Dancer and Storyteller ship themselves but they don't know that

[sharp lichen]

Only one way to find out.
Censuschat is here!

[white junco]

I just realized I've been in beta for a year and four months and I don't know what to do with this information

[bronze arch]

They both ship the other with themselves in secret.
Meanwhile Performance Guide is just like...
"Y'all theatre moths."

[frigid tinsel]

everyone else knows they're crushing on each other but Dancer & Storyteller don't

[novel marten]

Sky census be like

• how many candles do you earn each month?
• did you buy any season passes, and if so, which seasons?
• do you have any moths living under your wing?

[white junco]

I think it's a tossup on whether they're crushing on each other or if they're friends but in a slightly fruity way (if that makes sense)

[bronze arch]

It 100% gives the benefit of the doubt. Only 66.6%?
Press [HONK] to doubt.
(Nonono, you're supposed to put the arson moth in the honks, not the buff.)

[frigid tinsel]

–are you candle poor (0-199), candle middle class (200-499), or candle rich (500+)?

[white junco]

if you censor your candle count in screenshots I'm looking directly at you rn

[rigid mural]

Spade

[frigid tinsel]

use the in-game camera. oh wait, Switch players can't

[white junco]

hi Vela 👁️👁️

[frigid tinsel]

I have a friend with 800+ candles and they still expect me to cr for them, I'm poor

[rigid mural]

i'd take you on a cr but it turns out you're just a little hater /hj

[white junco]

and?

[rigid mural]

and?

[white junco]

idk actually

[bronze arch]

Hyd why did you have to add the squint there? 😭

[frigid tinsel]

prob cos I'm calling out rich Switch players

[rigid mural]

Alasdair

[frigid tinsel]

idk how much candles you got. are you coming out as rich?

[keen shore]

if I have over 100 candles I consider myself rich

[novel marten]

I’m middle class according to candle census

[bronze arch]

wdym rich I'm broke as [honk]

[rigid mural]

yeah actually, im coming out as doing daily crs with no-show friends that shame me for being rich 😔

[amber creek]

I'm a broke boi but i don't spend season candles so it's like a stimulus check after each season lol

[frigid tinsel]

I used to be candle middle class then Days of Bloom and Dreams TS robbed me back down to candle poor. also daily heart trading with 2-5 people.

[bronze arch]

Is being rich in candle as good as being poor in friendship?

[rigid mural]

it's not much really, just means you got too much time

[white junco]

middle class in candles, poor in finished constellations :/

[amber creek]

I'm heart bankrupt I need to ask my partner to start sending hearts over

[keen shore]

I have started to get more cr motivation now that I can do it with my friends :-) hanging out with u and echo is very fun and I like towing everyone ir being towed

[sharp lichen]

Sky economics would be a total disaster

[white junco]

we make currency with our bare hands. of course it's a disaster

[novel marten]

Invest in my new currency Candlecoin let’s take it to the moon

[frigid tinsel]

for some reason everyone who sticks to my cr routine gains income except me

[keen shore]

hypothetically could we steal candles from the landscape and claim them as our own currency wise? Curious

[amber creek]

Sky economics is similar to that old stop motion jack frost movie where they use cut up icicles as coins

[white junco]

maybe the white candles?

[native shoal]

I landed in isle as well, I joined sometime in October 2021

[keen shore]

[looks at near empty candle pouch]
[looks longingly at valleu elder shrine]

[regal forge]

Aight so the second quest stories are definitely about the king, yes?
I just did one about a child being foretold they were going to be the first to succeed in trials (likely prophecy)

[frigid tinsel]

I think the candles used as currency is just light, not actual wax, shaped into candles to divide light into usable units of currency, like coins and bank notes.

[white junco]

why on earth did tgc implement landing in isle sometime in 2021. And why on earth did they change it back to home

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but it could also be us retelling the stories we have

[keen shore]

<—- Started in 2020, landed in isle

[white junco]

salem when specifically in 2020

[amber creek]

I can't remember if I landed in isle or not I think I did. June 2020 moth

[frigid tinsel]

okay so we have two periods where newborn moths were born in Isle – sometime in 2020 and mid 2021

[rigid mural]

when in 2021 ???

[keen shore]

Last few days of sanctuary. As in… it couldn’t have been more than 10 days before the season was over.
Before then I had an account starting several weeks before enchantment and I believe I also landed in isle but am not sure

[amber creek]

Honestly I think I was in isle because I remember feeling very disconnected with the home area and the portals confused me. I was a frazzled moth

[frigid tinsel]

it sounds like around or after Sky was released on Switch. the latest I'm seeing is October 2021, the earliest I'm seeing is July 2021. I started playing on 6 August 2021 and was born in Isle

[rigid mural]

im a june 2021 moth and i think i landed in home

[white junco]

I was born in August 2020 and I think I landed in home. My beta account definitely landed in home and that was November 2020

[rigid mural]

in my heart we're all reborn on isle, it makes more sense

[tranquil harbor]

I landed in home I think

[amber creek]

Landing in isle makes more sense for your first run but after that I think home makes sense. Because it's not exactly a home with all the dark portals

[frigid tinsel]

what makes sense to me is that all newborn moths are born in Isle and first reborn at Home. part of the reason why I'm against being born in Home as canon is cos, according to videos of the intros, newborn moths land in a derelict Home where the portals are all destroyed, similar to rejoining the game after closing it in Eden or Orbit. in-universe that wouldn't make sense considering the older skids who are already there.

[white junco]

yep, i have images of this (sorry for sending images all the time sixhshxhagd)

[frigid tinsel]

this looks like you rejoined the game or went to Homespace while still on your first run of the game.

[amber creek]

Taking moths into a new area is always funny especially if they haven't "revived" the arc in wasteland yet. "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN'T SEE THIS????"

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[white junco]

yep. the portals for the realms don't show up until you reach the respective realm

[keen shore]

I wonder if there’s lore reasons behind the portals opening in that order or if it’s just a gameplay thing?

[white junco]

I'm pretty sure it's just to force you to go through the portals in order

[amber creek]

Portals are for sky kids only because in game they have the wind tunnels for fast travel. It would make sense that mega bird wants the sky kids to roam around easier to get more things done

[bronze arch]

Take a moth that has only completed Isle through the Vault portal.

[white junco]

it doesn't work I've tried

[frigid tinsel]

I've seem moths jump through portals that still remain in Home to me. how I can tell their progress if I haven't spoken to them

[white junco]

waiting for the day I decide to make a third account for lore reasons

[keen shore]

I wonder who’s opening the portals in lore (or if they’re even a lore thing instead of just being gameplay)

[rigid mural]

i like to think home isnt canon for that reason

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think Home is canon but skids in-universe can't access it as freely as we the players can. only from Home statues like the one in Sanctuary or from the Home portal in the final floor of the Vault.

[bronze arch]

Wait is every Season area (Starlight Desert, etc.) in the same area programming-wise?

[rigid mural]

I headcanon meditation shrines like in social spaces and in sanct are the ones directly teleporting you to a realm

[white junco]

is it just me or did switch screenshots get crunchier over time

[bronze arch]

Yea Switch's screenshots aren't as high quality, probably for more comfortable handheld viewing.

That way you can cry over your trauma of trying to beat Soul Melter EX with your friends and dying on the last boss on the go, and get weird looks.

[rigid mural]

just as i read that, sky bugged

[frigid tinsel]

part of that thought considers how we seem only able to access the Elders' pocket dimensions by meditating in front of their statues. most Home portals are same as the questgiver statues. given similarities between Elders and skykids, perhaps Homespace is the skykids' pocket dimension.

the only thing that doesn't work in this theory is the fact that skykids are reborn in Home. granted, I don't know the full nature of the Elders' pocket dimensions. the Elders' are full of void, lack color, and have minimal objects filling it. Homespace is colorful, large, and hints at surrounding terrain (islands on the horizon, ocean) we just can't access. I call these spaces "pocket dimensions," but I truly don't know how detached or adjacent these spaces are to the Sky world.

[keen shore]

Sky bugs are at least 10% of the gameplay experience

[bronze arch]

@pastel brook Honk you. >:0

[keen shore]

The reason why home could be more detailed is because of the sheer amount of skykids/minds creating and holding it maybe? Like so much of us inhabit it, compared to only one elder each

[pastel brook]

Maybe one day I can be a real Skykid!

[nimble ingot]

Ok, Botnocchio

[ember mica]

hi lore chat what are we loreing about today

[keen shore]

also I know this is late but I fully expected it to be a meme setup at first. Like…
Salem when specifically in 2020 [reaction image]

[white junco]

personally i think this prompt somewhat hints at home not being in the world of Sky

[ember mica]

:0 ooh yeah. why would it say “world of sky” if home wasnt already there

[white junco]

damn, I was gonna make a new account to look at stuff on switch bc I have no more devices to download on. but it wants me to link a nintendo account. evil

[ember mica]

i have a few extra accounts on my switch i can look at when i get home if you want

[bronze arch]

Okay but lowkey, we need a bot moth that just runs around on a set path throughout the game. It'll be visible to all players, restore your fuel when close, not accept friend/guide requests, but you can follow it if you want a tour.

When it gets to the end of Wasteland, it'll auto-disconnect any followers and fly off and land at the start of Isle.

[keen shore]

The river of birds

[cunning shell]

This would actually be kinda cool

[frigid tinsel]

see, I've been taking that as Home is far off the mainland of the Sky world. the portals make easier to get to rather than flying over untold miles of ocean. though a counterpoint is the word "world"

[bronze arch]

What if it's not an Eden season but a Home season that was teased-

[white junco]

on the one hand this might limit players helping one another, but also currently the peak sky experience is making an account, dropping it, and coming back a couple weeks/months later so I see your point

sky is sooo confusing when you first start and there's barely anything in the game to explain what's going on

[ember mica]

also there’s already the button you can press to let surrounding players know that you’re looking for spirits. otherwise the realms are pretty linear, except for maybe wasteland since the first few times i went thru it was confusing, and hidden forest can be confusing if you don’t know to follow the brook

[sacred mauve]

Oh! In the a early version of sky, there was a bird in isle that helped you find the way

[cunning shell]

If the message said ‘into the world of Sky’ that would imply that Home was another world. The phrase ‘in the world of Sky’ seems a little redundant, honestly, because it implies that you can only teleport while you’re in the world of Sky but there’s no way to be in another world, so…

[white junco]

I still really want the ability to play offline. The second I got to prairie for the first time I was looking for a toggle to make all these annoying people go away so I can look at the spirits

[bronze arch]

This implies they fall out of Orbit, essentially making them meteorites.

[sacred mauve]

But what about the astroid jacket, isn’t that place technically in space?

[ember mica]

also have we taken into account that Home is one of the only places where time visibly passes, save for Sanctuary Islands?

and plus the player can change the time in Home from day to night by looking at their friend constellations. except for sunset in sanctuary, time never fluctuates between realms. there’s no day/night cycle in the realms as far as we know, which makes it more likely that home is a separate place or even dimension altogether

[bronze arch]

You can also manipulate time with the constellation menu.

[amber creek]

THEORY OK OK LET ME GATHER MY THOUGHTS: home is NOT in the world of sky. It could be on a different planet or dimension where the portals were set there to allow sky kids to complete their missions. Kind of like some weird form of avatar but they are in their real bodies (basically what ezlo said I'm slow)

[keen shore]

We would have, but a major portion of the common lorechat people (incl me) just shut down whenever time shenangings are mentioned. They are interesting, I just personally start crying mentally whenever I think about them

[cunning shell]

It depends on how you define world. In this case, I’d say world is a very rough translation and refers to more of a galaxy or a universe that encompasses anywhere you can go within the theme

[ember mica]

oh salem, salem....i’m a zelda fan. if anyone can deal with time, it’s me /lh

[white junco]

when you first boot up your game, while it's first loading you can see a little bit of the vault portal, which looks broken like how new moths see it. when the game loads the portals are there and the actual portal bits load in. the closet takes a bit longer, as the symbols in them illuminate from left to right

[rigid mural]

EATS THIS

[sharp lichen]

I’m a Pokémon fan. I can deal with time even better

[sacred mauve]

Or what if the home area is like the spirit world like in Avatar the last airbender

[amber creek]

Megabird is running this whole thing it's just a simulation (best lore scapegoat every sarcasm)

[keen shore]

STOP EATING OUR LORE EVIDENCE. PLEASE. WE NEED IT

[white junco]

I can't wait til the travelling spirit comes so I can save the 2 seconds it takes to walk from the closet to the guide to change it to night

[bronze arch]

I prefer day in Sky.

[white junco]

do you use discord light mode

[rigid mural]

SDGHGHSDHGSDGH HELP

[frigid tinsel]

I like early morning in Homespace but seldom awake at the time it’s early morning in Homespace

[amber creek]

Golden hour in sky>>>every time of day

[ember mica]

i like evening/nighttime bc the music in that time is very nostalgic for me

[keen shore]

I had to turn on light mode for a second to colorpick the glow auras around the emotes and nearly started crying,

[frigid tinsel]

I use discord light mode when I’m outside and it’s sunny. Fite me

[white junco]

ok let's go

[nimble ingot]

you can use the constellation table to change the sky.

[outer hare]

Discord light mode just blinded me

[keen shore]

Okay I’ll say it. Crab whisperer would use discord light mode for fun

[rigid mural]

THEY WOULD

[ember mica]

there’s a theory that the chill sunbather is a time traveller with how they change the time in sanctuary, right? maybe skykids have a similar power that they can only harness in the Homespace

[white junco]

i'm sorry but I need you to clarify if that's a real theory so I can gauge my reaction appropriately

[frigid tinsel]

Only works from current time to night. When it usually play, it’s sunset or night already

[keen shore]

I was fully expecting to get cheesed, but I lost it at how you can’t even argue with me

[nimble ingot]

oh...

[formal skiff]

why would you get cheesed for speaking truth

[keen shore]

I often am when it comes to crab whisperer. Especially in conversations relating to their responsibility for the forgotten ark crash

[bronze arch]

We need option to pick time of day.

[formal skiff]

a shame....

[rigid mural]

i thought we were on the same brainwaves that crab whisperer can and will be hilariously unhinged

[keen shore]

We ARE but I was worried calling them a light mode user was going too far

[frigid tinsel]

tbf light mode is a useful accessibility feature. We just live in caves.

[ember mica]

if u use light mode i automatically assume you eat sand

[white junco]

the problem is that discord isn't really designed for light mode so it looks weird. and this isn't me being biased by dark mode, why are there things outlined in pure white

[frigid tinsel]

Hey

[keen shore]

digital flashbang

[white junco]

if discord made things more distinctly light/medium grey instead of everything being bright white this wouldn't be an issue

[bronze arch]

Wait their responsibility in what-

[keen shore]

my eyes are burning and I have to hold them to keep from falling out of my skull. I feel like how vampires are supposed to feel when they enter a church building

[icy saffron]

Hello lore chat, so this isn't going to be on the same topic as the one you guys are speaking of (I didn't read the chat yet) so sorry. So Elders, spirits and us are all different species, right? So what if elders lived and gained power when spirits lit up the candles in front of their statues, but after they all disappeared no one was there to remember them or give them light so overtime they became weak? When we arrive we have to lite the candle wich then takes us to their mind space(?) Or wherever they reside and they take the little Flame you have and regain power and after that the statues eyes glow blue. We learned about them and are here to awaken them from their sleep/return them the light that they lost due to the spirits leaving. Like gods or something. I mean the elders not spirits. The elders can't leave their mind space/wherever they reside so that is why they are relying on us, children, to somehow return everything back to the way is was.

Note: it's just something that popped up in my head while playing so it's not polished or researched sorry.

[frigid tinsel]

Most color roles aren’t optimized for light mode either

[formal skiff]

you sound like lapis lol

[keen shore]

oh thank you so much for this paragraph. my eyes are healing

[formal skiff]

ye i think that logics

[bronze arch]

But this is a bullhonk excuse, considering Discord's UI in the role-making screen.

[white junco]

wdym? does discord offer alternate colors for roles depending on whether the user is using light or dark mode? bc that's what you'd have to do to optimize color roles for both modes

[trim yoke]

AHHHHHH LIGHT MODE, I LITERALLY OPENED THE CHANNEL TO TAHT, ITS LIKE ME USING INVERTED MODE 😭

[white junco]

going to wasteland does anyone need anything

[rigid mural]

Especially in conversations relating to their responsibility for the forgotten ark crash

[formal skiff]

enjooooyyyyyyyy and don't die, it's bad for ur health

[ember mica]

your female parental figure

[white junco]

oh that actually reminds me I was gonna stand in dark water

[rigid mural]

That's very interesting, I believe in that too ! Without anyone to bring light, the Elders seem forced in a dormant state...

[formal skiff]

well if you're going down that route go all the way. drink it, coward.

[white junco]

oo that's not a good idea, bad for skids

[frigid tinsel]

in my experience, when people are setting up servers, they color roles to contrast with the background. if they're using dark mode, most of those colors will be light or bright in order to show up against the dark gray background. if they're using light mode, those colors will show dark or dim in order to show up against the white background.

consider these color roles I had for a server I made. I primarily use dark mode, so when I'm creating color roles, I pick colors that contrast with the dark gray background (below). admittedly some don't but that was at the request of my server members.

you can see from my pic of light mode earlier that the child of light role in this server does not contrast well with light mode. yellow on white is hard to see. it does contrast well with dark mode.

fun fact: if someone has no color roles, their nametag will be white in dark mode and black in dark mode.
okay I'll stop rambling about Discord stuff.

[nimble ingot]

Discord, when going into light mode, put the names in front of a dark (but transparent) background to help the lighter coloured names stand out.
And vice versa for dark colours for dark mode.

[formal skiff]

HOBBLEDEHOY SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING BOATSWAIN WOULD USE AS A SUBSTITUTE CURSE WORD

[white junco]

I feel like if discord ever did that they'd lock it behind nitro

[frigid tinsel]

hobbledehoy means a clumsy or awkward youth. fits Boatswain except they're too old.

[white junco]

THOSE ARE REAL WORDS???

[formal skiff]

i love it. it sounds exactly like what it means. does a more perfect word exist? i think not.

[outer hare]

sounds like something J.r. r. Tolkien would use-

bobbit-

[bronze arch]

No, but it does show what it looks like in Light mode.

[frigid tinsel]

that's what I think too – the Elders subsist on light. ancestors gave them light offerings (though may not have always been limited to lighting candles at their altars) to strengthen them. as the ancestors died out, the Elders lost more light than they gained and eventually went dormant. that explains the prompt when you're first lighting Dawn elder's altar says something along the lines of "restore light to the altar to awaken the Elder."

along this thought, in my ficverse, Dawn Elder was the last Elder alive after the Eden calamity, though they were already trapped in their pocket dimension, able only to overlook the realm and speak with visitors. as the ancestors in Isle died out, Dawn weakened and eventually fell unconscious.

Salem has the theory that the Elders might've looked more colorful than they do now. however due to their limited light right now, they cannot illuminate color on their persons. skykids presently do not give the Elders much light in their simple offerings.

as for why the Elders are trapped in these pocket dimensions are up to debate. they likely weren't always stuck in there. skykids' light offerings just may not be enough for them to leave those pocket dimensions. I do hope that someday they can leave.

[keen shore]

I was expecting this.

[formal skiff]

i loooooove

[keen shore]

The only weird thing about this theory (I do agree with it, I’ve just been bothered by this one thing) is that some of the elders are very clearly awake when you meet them for the first time, and I have to wonder how that would work. Valley elders definitely come to mind, they feel like they were waiting for you and I don’t think I’d be able to do All that when I’d just woken up

[rigid mural]

thats because you dont salt and pepper your apple slices

[rigid iron]

Hello everyone, can we get a summoning circle going? I need forester's zodiac

[bronze arch]

Maybe once Dawn Elder and Prairie Elder were awoken, it spread light across the rest of the realm. They are called "Isle of Dawn" and "Daylight Prairie".

[white junco]

I agree that it's definitely weird. the exact wording of what Alasdair is quoting is "Journey on to the next land. The other Ancestor Elders are waiting for you to wake them up." so that's definitely in there