lore-discussion-spoilers

[tough coral]

oh we're talking about megabird? :D i think megabird is neat

[twin finch]

I think megabird should be turned into KFC yummy /j

[compact shale]

I think someone tried to make a recipe for that

[hushed steeple]

i did a whole musical for megabird u better think megabird is neat

[tough coral]

megabird is VERY neat. i would let her adopt me she seems like a wonderful mom she did a great job on the skykids i love her

[hushed steeple]

hehe bask in her glory

[twin finch]

Her watching the new moths bonk everywhere :

[tough coral]

i think megabird has all those many countless infinite tendrils so she can hold as many of her children as she wants. I simply think this is true. she is a god, she could take any shape she wants, but she chooses to take the optimal form for Hold Moths

[hushed steeple]

she must’ve been so frustrated at moth me who lost all my lights in the forest rain

[hushed steeple]

imagine the hugs

[rigid mural]

you go up to a tendril to hug it but surprise ! it's a river of birds

[hushed steeple]

that’d honestly be traumatising

[tough coral]

shes made of light so her hugs must be very warm and nice and good (to skykids at least)

[hushed steeple]

imagine a regular human gets in a 10 ft vicinity of her n just gets burnt to a crisp and absorbed as life force

[tough coral]

NOOOO....

[tranquil harbor]

there it goes

[hushed steeple]

O ! that gives me inspiration i should draw a bacon person

[hushed steeple]

what goed

[tranquil harbor]

I was waiting for the wholesome to take a hard left into shocking lol

[tough coral]

that reminds me i have plans in the fanfic im slowly writing to have megabird adopt a kid who isn't a skykid (well. Wasn't a skykid. theyll end up dying in the fic and wouldve permadied if their skykid friend didnt get their soul 2 megamama and ask her to save their buddy. she's not a miracle worker tho the best she could do is turn them into a skykid and hope for the best

[tranquil harbor]

interesting

[hushed steeple]

heavy angst ?
imagine as a sky kid it’s like 2 scenarios
megamama leads them through their new world or
the sky kid forgets who she is and embraces their inevitable demise in eden and reunite with megamama

[compact shale]

waiting for angstropy?

[hushed steeple]

what if megabird absorbs the souls of the children who die in eden and its her lifeforce every tendril is the soul of a sky kid

[tough coral]

i have a sorta similar headcanon except every tendril is a life in the world. she will always be able to hold all of her children!

[twin finch]

Me when I was a moth I was the one who lost alot. Also in Wasteland now forest is my fave

[hushed steeple]

THATS ACTUALLY SO ADORABLE GENIOUS I APLAUD U

[tough coral]

OH i also have a headcanon voice for megabird wanna see

[hushed steeple]

mhm mhm !

[tough coral]

https://youtu.be/j9DxgPa1cGc the singer for this song, Neglected Space! its a song from the point of view of an abandoned house its very pretty

[hushed steeple]

actually i’ve made no progress on my drawing i’ll listen to it as i draw !

[compact shale]

It's kind of like that, but it's not just the souls of skykids

There's also the souls of every light creature and possibly the ancestors too, once they're ascended

[hushed steeple]

OMG THE SINGERS VOICE IS SO SERENE YET EERIE THE OVERLAPPING VOICES MAKE IT BETTER

[tough coral]

i personally headcanon the whole eden rebirth thing to literally just be "you die, you enter megabird's domain, you can hang out there as long as you'd like, when you're ready she'll just send you back down somewhere safe"- YEA its a VERY PRETTY SONG i also think it fits megabird thematically

[buoyant kernel]

it is true that sky gonna collab with minecraft ?

[hushed steeple]

AND THE DOOR TO THE EXIT IT HAS TENDRILS CONNECTING TO THE OTHER SKY KIDS MAYBE SHES RIGHT BEHIND THAT DOOR

[tough coral]

I think megabirds domain is sorta. that twinkly space after orbit where you get your winged light. that's where megabird lives, there's a bit of gameplay-story separation involved in my headcanons so instead of the door its just her, just. There. I think she’d let you stay in her domain as long as you want, dying can be pretty scary and she wouldn't want to send her kids back out into the world before they've had a chance to feel better about what happened.

[hushed steeple]

imagine similar to tthe song megabird is the land itself once populated with her dear children now barren and empty as her desperation grows she falls into a depression that makes her lose her power and the power turned into the sky kids and megabird learned that if she sacrifices a bit of power she can create a creature that will never leave her and the song is her thoughts during the wiping out of the spirits

idk i’ve had too much coffee

[tough coral]

i love megabird so much its unreal. I think shes genuinely one of my comfort characters at this point

[hushed steeple]

the mother we all need

[compact shale]

That's just speculation

[twin finch]

Steve head cosmetics

[tough coral]

OH to elaborate on my headcanons, i think its important that I mention this- being drawn to eden isn't something that has to do with megabird, its a simple flaw in the way skykids behave. they're both curious and also naturally drawn to bright light as a basic survival instinct, and eden is very bright, and very out of place, so of course skykids would try to go there.
As well as that, the statues in Eden sell this whole idea that they have a purpose in the world- in reality, those statues... dont really need saving. The skykids they used to be have already ascended, the cutscene after you die is just what your skykid probably thinks is happening. Nobody's trapped in any sort of cycle, just a pretty, peaceful world full of adventure- And if someone really wants to stop, and just fade away? I doubt megabird would say no, as sad as she might be about it.

[rigid mural]

I don't really like to think that what we do in Eden is for nothing; after the cutscene in Orbit, we do get ascended candles depending on how many shrines we bring winged light to (yep, game text calls these shrines when you already went to Eden during the week & you're told how many days left until reset).
The help menus also call ascended candles the highest currency, so it's likely that whatever you do here has enough worth to ascend spirits and buy from Elders.

[tough coral]

That's completely fair! Again, most of my headcanons have a fair degree of gameplay story separation in 'em. leaves me more room to worldbuild

[rigid mural]

Understandable !

[hard marsh]

I'm thinking about Sky lore and headcanon stuff to find interesting things to draw and like

Now I'm thinking...

Are there spirits(or elders/whatever) that hate each other? It sounds amusing

[nimble ingot]

There is the mushroom picker and the scarecrow.

[tranquil harbor]

the spirits were just people, so probably (but showing that would probably go against the themes of the game)
That said, I think in concept, Isle of Dawn Elder is said to be 'not well liked' by the other elders

[nimble ingot]

probably jealous because his realm gets the moths first.

[hard marsh]

Yeah there's them ahahaha
Though I forgot much about the darker Sky lore often theorized here, I think it'd be interesting to think about like... genuine hatred between spirits

[tranquil harbor]

By the time the moths get to the other realms they have cosmetics and aren't as bumbling and cute. The elders be jelly that they miss it

[rigid mural]

Isle of Dawn Elder was straight up excluded iirc, but if you're looking for angst, a lot of people headcanon the Valley twins rivalry may be toxic...

[nimble ingot]

welp, the ones that knew about the war are not here to tell their harrowing tales of the battlefield.

[tranquil harbor]

I want to hear this theory

[rigid mural]

It's not that long, just that what started as rivalry became animosity, and the twins may have lost balance and straight up started being hostile towards eachother.

[tranquil harbor]

Oh, it's that thing about the elders giving up their core values leading to the fall of the kingdom thing?

[hard marsh]

Valley twins looked friendly to me, but a lot of things in Valley have 'uneven' themes
Also unrelated but I thought the skating statue in coliseum and Village only look like one of the elders

[rigid mural]

Not really ? Just a popular headcanon that the valley twins were jealous of eachother, kinda like sibling rivalry but the not fun kind. Add having to put on a facade of camaraderie for shows and you got a recipe for angsty fics

[tranquil harbor]

tbh the Valley Elders are depicted as looking the same in any artistic thing featuring them made by ancestors, so I'd take the statue with salt. That said, it's possible one of them likes skating more than the other. Depends if you think they're a hive mind

[rigid mural]

The elders giving up core values can feed that headcanon but they aren't really related.

[hard marsh]

On second thought, their hair are both pointy in certain angles so the statue might look like both of them

[tranquil harbor]

It might not be either of them

[soft timber]

pops in here The Valley Elder twins have a healthy rivalry in my books

[hard marsh]

Twins rivalry CUTE
The art where they skate together in village is CUTE

[soft timber]

YEA

[scenic otter]

Crabs are the "original" species of sky

The original world is set far in the future where space travel is possible, skykids are unfortunate youths who have been sucked up by a black hole, crabs are the native species

[native shoal]

Evidence please?

[scenic otter]

It's my head cannon.

[native shoal]

I can tell but since this is #lore-discussion-spoilers we need a bit of evidence for possibilities to be taken into consideration

[sharp lichen]

The cycle continues. Search in:lore-discussion-spoilers from: Baudshaw#8452 before:2020-08-19

[scenic otter]

Mhm, what about it?

[sacred mauve]

I said it before and I’ll say it again, sky children and spirits are nonbinary

[nimble ingot]

Out of interest, and it is no one has to answer if they dont want to.

What if a individual skykid wishes to act like a boy/girl?
Same applies to spirits/elders.

[wheat cypress]

Found an old LA mural in a YT vid 👀👀👀

[sharp lichen]

I had the exact same theory!

[scenic otter]

I see.

[sharp lichen]

Exceptionally canon. I feel like I’ve seen this picture before?

[scenic otter]

I do not agree.

[sacred mauve]

Huh?

[unreal shuttle]

I end up in a conclusion about the time pass in sky, in the realms of sky the time never changes I mean is always daylight in daylight prairie and night at the vault cuz the realms are in a reality where time is stop (maybe it happens when the eden go boom xd) and it’s important for the sky kinds journey, first dawn when you get ready to start… so it’s like a circle of Sky kids never ends journey and home is the only place where you can see time pass cuz home is at the middle of this circle

[sacred mauve]

The devs made that canon

[nimble ingot]

would it be possible to link the particular qoute?

[scenic otter]

Then it's cannon.

[civic bay]

(canon has a single n, yall are talking about the weapon)

[sacred mauve]

Oof oki

[scenic otter]

Then I'll have to colonize the danish😈

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, it was said 'the spirits don't care about gender, but some people gender them based on what they appear to present as' or something along those lines. I'm fairly confident Ktjn is the one who said it.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, time is decided by the Sun, which is an extremely weird creature on its own. I always thought it rapidly changes since it is part of the Light.

[potent heron]

Mind me asking who is lore?

[tranquil harbor]

Found the quote, lemme crop it

[civic bay]

there

[sharp lichen]

“A body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group.”

Would you like to hear about our traditions and knowledge?

[unreal shuttle]

I want

[tranquil harbor]

nevermind

[civic bay]

I believe the characters may identify as leaning to more masculine or feminine ways of dress, but at their core they have no inherent physical traits making them one gender, which classifies as non binary. It's totally fine to see your skid as a male or female, but they're inherently non-binary/androgynous to allow everyone to see themselves portrayed. As they would not really have a concept of gender in their world, it makes little sense for them in character to see themself as a man or woman.

[sharp lichen]

You know about all the Ancestor Elders, right?

Well, there is a hidden 7th one, that used to rule the Eye of Eden. We have assumed that he is the one that made Eden look the way it is. This catastrophic event also caused the Spirits to be trapped on the Sky world, causing us to help them.

[unreal shuttle]

But, let’s said you can stop time 24 hours, you stop time, sun stop, how do you know when this 24 hours ends?

[nimble ingot]

The bell.

The time only moves as the skykid makes their way through the realm, when backtracking, you can see the sun move to its earlier position.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, even if spirits did have a concept of gender, they have a high chance of being completely different from human ones because the ancestors aren't human themselves.

That said, humans can only comprehend so far from their own experiences, so players who want to assign gender to spirits use human ones.

[unreal shuttle]

But home time then? How do you explain it?

[civic bay]

Precisely, it's important to keep in mind their concepts of time, gender, and expression are completely different from a humans, as they do not live on earth and are definitely not human.

[tranquil harbor]

Though in concept sky was some kind of afterlife limbo, so that's certainly fun

[sharp lichen]

Maybe time flows differently (faster) in Home.

[nimble ingot]

same thing.
The time of the day is randomised, Home is linked to all of the realms, so the time would change as whenever the skykid arrives or uses the constellation table.
Frankly, I would've loved it if the time would match the realm's constellation the skykid would be looking at, causing the time of day to match it. But alas, no.

[unreal shuttle]

Mmm this it’s how it looks in my mind I hope it help to explain my idea better

[wheat cypress]

I have a possible headcanon that megabird is orbit

[wheat cypress]

Also I'm dying to draw a geographically accurate map of the kingdom of Sky with all the elements some time... This is interesting to consider

[limber trail]

based

[native shoal]

The World of sky as a tidally locked planet, where one side always faces the sun? I think it would be neat if implausible

[rigid mural]

I like to think the gates take us to a realm at a particular time of the day, either they actually only open for their time of the day (dawn for isle, late afternoon for valley, night for vault...), or where they take us always starts at that time of the day.

[nimble ingot]

I have a headcanon that time is irrelevant or is inconsistent because the keeper of time is not there anymore.
Assuming the logic of the King being the judge over the souls of the dead, and Megabird being the giver of life. Making Megabird Mother nature, and the King Father time. A.k.a. The grim reaper.

[distant turtle]

I would like more events where a day realm has sunset or night. So far we have Season of Dreams finale sequence and the Days of Nature event.

[rigid mural]

Valley Elder cutscene too if you want to count it, since the are it takes place in is much more detailled than the previous elder cutscenes

[civic bay]

I know it’s possible for daylight prairie to be dark because in the slumbering shipwright cutscene the sky is dark

[frigid tinsel]

There’s also this poll of the week answer that says skykids stargaze in Prairie, so it must turn night in Prairie in-universe ;
(I should crop this)

[keen shore]

Personally I think spirits are all agender in canon (pretty sure that’s what the dev quote was meant to imply??) but it’s fun thinking about what their alternate gender concepts would be. Is Jellyfish Whisperer jellyfish gender??

[frigid tinsel]

Also re: everyone in Sky is agender

[keen shore]

I really enjoy everyone in sky being agender because . I am too :-) and we (as well as the nb umbrella in general) are rarely mentioned or thought about at all in fantasy. It’s reallu nice being the norm for once instead of an outlier

One thing I will mention is that — do you think some spirits use different pronouns sets than they/them? It wouldn’t make them any less agender, and they might choose to in order to differentiate each other better. I don’t think an in universe equivalent of he/she (pronouns stereotypically attached to genders) would be a thing, but ones like xe/xem and ey/em would

[tranquil harbor]

Someone taught these children to cook

[keen shore]

Belonging ancestor giving us cooking classes 💛

[white junco]

I've mentioned this before but anxious angler ze/hir (tgc told me)

[keen shore]

I remember seeing someone say that cannoneer would use it/its and I was like… that’s so right. I can’t even argue.

[frigid tinsel]

ze/hir best pronouns

[calm jay]

a little off topic, but that's also the case in outer wilds! mostly everyone in the game go by they/them and it's nice to see them referred by them in the game :-)
and of course to answer your second question, pronouns =/= gender, so i do like to think that anyone can go by any sets of pronouns they like. doesn't make them any less nonbinary, but they/them doesn't automatically mean nonbinary. personally i hc flight guide as going by she/him/they :]

[keen shore]

I feel like jellyfish whisperer would invent a new set of pronouns that’s just like. jelly/fish/jellies

[frigid tinsel]

I they/them every Sky character to reinforce that they’re agender cos too many blokes still operate under the cisnormative gender binary and honestly writing fic where every character uses they/them is challenge but I do it for rep. Altogether I wouldn’t be against genderfunking with the pronouns. She/her Commodore. He/him Ushering Stargazer. She/her Dawn Elder. He/him Night Elder. Pronouns ≠ gender. Let the gender anarchy reign in the Sky kingdom.

[keen shore]

YESSSSSSSS.!!!

[rigid mural]

when i saw forest elder for the first time, they gave me gnc male elf in a thranduil from the hobbit way

[keen shore]

If we want to go super deep into worldbuilding and lore, we can say there’s different sets of pronouns that aren’t originally based around gender like humans’ are, but around some other category - like rank, job, whatever. But honestly it doesn’t really matter and it’s so much more fun assigning pronouns based on vibes

[rigid mural]

i wouldnt associate gender with ranks or job, thats just feels wrong
i think ancestors see shrimp colors when it comes to gender

[keen shore]

I AGREE it’s just the only category I could think Of. And it wouldn’t be gender that would be associated with them, it would be pronouns (like, a weird version of honorifics)

[rigid mural]

also neopronouns are a thing if you wanna portray that

i bet the ey/em's in the crowd would go bananas if you wrote a spirit with the same pronouns as em

[keen shore]

YES

[white junco]

it's me i'm ey/ems

[calm jay]

pronouns based off jobs? imagine going into work to find out you've been assigned he/they

[spark cairn]

If it interests you, in the German translation almost all of the base game valley spirits are female. Even the ones with the capes

[rigid mural]

butch lesbians

[white junco]

pronouns based on how tall you are. courageous soldier gets their own unique set (/j)

[keen shore]

I don’t know what about this concept is making me laugh so hard but the sentence “you’ve been demoted to he/they” is killing me

[rigid mural]

do you think its like warrior cats where their names change depending on age, like lionkit/lionpaw/lionstar

[frigid tinsel]

ze/hir Day Elder. ey/em Anxious Angler. fae/faer Pointing Candlemaker. hy/hym Performance Guide. ae/aer Valley Elder(s).
Fight me.

[white junco]

🎉

[keen shore]

Why would I you are correct

[rigid mural]

GO OFF KING

[frigid tinsel]

Imma create inflation in this neopronoun economy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ad2U1YrnZsvlvAKN3kfiBdlu9ny3cKpqWomv3qV4Iyw/mobilebasic#h.std03i4e5ua

[white junco]

mm, pronouns

[keen shore]

Alasdair throwinf pronouns at us like we are hungry dogs

[rigid mural]

why is this killing me
"Estonian
Farsi
Finnish
The French Language
Georgian"

[keen shore]

You can’t say its true name or it’ll curse you and turn you Fr*nch

[rigid mural]

thats like macbeth near actors

[calm jay]

going to be honest a few months back i stopped going by pronouns entirely bc i was going to find some new ones to go by and i just. forgot to get new ones so i've just been nothing this whole time
that doc made me remember

[nimble ingot]

The game is open to interpretation.
Ergo, regardless of people's perception of their genders, or lack there of, they are what they are.
And that is the end of that.

[frigid tinsel]

yes, but saying that in response to be bunch of trans & genderqueer folk enjoying the fact that the characters were deliberately coded nonbinary sounds disingenious.

[willow prawn]

I very much enjoy the they/them supremacy for spirits but what if they is the neutral when you don't know people then you meet them closer and start telling you their pronouns

"Hello, I'm Yeti, ey/em. And this is my girlfriend, Postman, bun/buns"

[white junco]

every time you level up friendship with someone you unlock more of their pronouns
I need more pronouns I want to do this now

[mystic cosmos]

This is a really interesting conversation. In my opinion, your Sky kid is what ever gender (or lack there of) you want it to have.

[willow prawn]

https://en.pronouns.page/pronouns
Maybe it helps!

[white junco]

I used ven/vens pronouns a while ago, those were cool

[frigid tinsel]

The nonbinary & genderqueer urge to they/them every character in Sky but respecting other people’s interpretations

[willow prawn]

They/them would be the canon approach, I think! That's what devs themselves use

In the Spanish translation, they're gendered (because there's no such thing as un in this language), but it's a mixed bag of surprises. For example, Baffled Botanist and Marching Adventurer are she/her in Spanish, so now I say Botanist and Student are gay girlfriends

[willow prawn]

I'm just having fun with the idea of approaching Forest Elder, and when you ask their pronouns, the answer is

"Please, don't refer to me."

[frigid tinsel]

Forest Elder: I have no pronouns, please do not refer to me

[tranquil harbor]

what do they call the elders?

[frigid tinsel]

Elders use el/der pronouns

[nimble ingot]

My wording may have failed to carry the intended message across.

What I am saying is spirits, elders and skykids not having a gender is not an issue. As that is what the devs have purposefully done in the game.

By making the genders vague, some spirits can be interpreted to have any gender role as the player sees fit.
While some spirits may tend to have some features that makes them masculine/feminine (ex. Dawn elder having a beard and called a ferryman, Granny quest giver from season of Belonging, Wise Grandparent with a moustache from the same season etc.). There are spirits that can be either case, if not at all.

I hope this helps clarify that I am not against the idea that people in sky can be agender. Though may maintain the habit of referring to spirits as "he/she/they/it" where applicable or as interpreted.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, people ascribe gender based on presentation. while gender expression often does align with one's gender, oftentimes they do not, and sometimes people screw with gender norms to defy them. while I wish more people would do some introspection to see why they are ascribing gender a certain way, I'm not mad at them for doing so. I'm not gonna go on a tirade against gendering the Sky characters.

as someone who finds comfort in queerness but struggles with the dearth of such, I very much appreciate the devs for queering this game. people who apply cisheteronormativity onto Sky may do that for their own comfort and that's valid, it just rubs me the wrong way.

[rigid mural]

i think proud victor could be a lesbian

[tranquil harbor]

Should we change to a less emotionally charged topic?
I discovered something about the sanctuary crabs

[alpine wadi]

I think the forgetful story teller would be ace

[raw crypt]

oh hey thats my image

Patch notes
+Added Performance crew
+Added 2022 days of nature guide
+Added Sleepy Merchant
+Saved Offseason QG from deleted layer hell
-i need to crop it slightly it looks a little off

[alpine wadi]

What did you find?

[wheat cypress]

oooooo yesh krebs let's talk krebs

[tranquil harbor]

Okay so I decided to grab one of the crabs from the plant cave and moved it. They're silver. I took the crab aaaaaall the way to the friendly crab island, where the crabs are black, and the crab I had been carrying also turned black

[alpine wadi]

Oh

[raw crypt]

Ohhh that’s funky

[alpine wadi]

That's a very interesting feature

[tranquil harbor]

but when I dropped it on the ground it disappeared, so I dunno if it also becomes friendly. It was still covered in darkness fleks regardless of the main body color change

[nimble ingot]

In all fairness, people around the world have grown up with different values and cultures.
For instance, I grew up in a family that maintain gender identities. Even so, the fact that the game is presented to an international audience would mean that players are given an opportunity to mingle with other players. Players that are from around the world, have different value, perspectives on life, beliefs and interpretations of the game.

I have seen people hold their stance on many matters in this chat. Some are for personal reasons, others for a cause.

[willow prawn]

Ohh! I tried this, but yeah, seems like they can't be taken too far. Maybe we need to try with the crabs in the graveyard instead, they're close enough

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not sure if it can be redone anywhere else.

[willow prawn]

There are two friendly crabs in the bonfire of Graveyard! That's why I mention it

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if we'll see them change color

[rigid mural]

So like, here's the thing.
You gotta be intolerant to intolerance on that aspect.
Sure, everyone is entitled to their views, but one's upbringing shouldn't be a valid reason to hold their stance on being bigoted.

You're my friend, I get your point and know you do not mean harm, but I feel the need to say some matters aren't going to have a "both are right" solution, unfortunately.

Anyway, yeah, that topic is a bit heavy, let's talk about crabs.
Funny how they turn red both when attacking and when held over fire

[ashen grotto]

Crabs are powered by an internal combustion engine confirmed

[thorny zealot]

✈️

[wheat cypress]

I hate to make a text wall between this convo but I was sitting on the floor and my brain went ✨ weird idea ✨ . I saw it play out in my head regarding the mention of the prince's concept art name being "aleph." Someone mentioned the way the letter relates to animal sacrifice and whatnot so this is what ensued in my head. The King has corrupted the land, the storm has emerged, and the prince (wether they are one or separate idk) the prince winds up inside the storm, whether that be as a sacrifice or by accident. The light child thus, inside the diamond, is the prince, and he lives there with his infinite light as an innocent sacrifice to contain the storm's power. (similar to the plot of the ones who walk away from Omelas) After the fact, the elders seal the storm shut with the 6 player gate, in order to prevent anyone from either making the same mistake if it was an accident, or to prevent the storm from reaching further areas. It is interesting thought also within the sacrificial name idea, if the prince was brought up for this very purpose, if they knew, if it was prophecied... etc. I also mentioned the elders sealing the door *after *the fact because this is mentioned in a light awaits video I watched this morning. I know for certain that a lot of the topics and theories mentioned here are extremely debated, but I just wanted to present this view that sorta popped into my head and I thought it was shareable.

[rigid mural]

it was me, hiii
i really appreciate that you read my ramblings !

[wheat cypress]

I don't miss a text in this chat haha.... spent a long time reading ur convo about proto-sinaitic and the letter meanings yesterday

[ashen grotto]

Interesting concept i think it fits the lore but i didnt know that there was a thing inside the crystal (i just assumed it was solid since it was forged by forest elder)

[wheat cypress]

we don't really know either... I especially don't... I just have sort of a headcanon that the pity room with the light kid is inside the giant red diamond because when we leave with our restored winged light, the same beam of light is present within that room that appears above the diamond and up to orbit

[wheat cypress]

It's one of my favorite topics honestly... lol

[ashen grotto]

Thats a cool thought

[frigid tinsel]

username checks out

[ashen grotto]

The electric guitar’s strings are made of light while the acoustic instruments have normal strings

[inner cloud]

it’s very cool

i’ll be able to get it in 3 (?) days and i can’t wait to mess around with the fermatas

[queen pike]

i read that story in english class!

[white junco]

does anyone know what color the valley temple banners r supposed to be they’re hurting my brain. this is literally the same banner

[mystic cosmos]

I think it’s supposed to be red and yellow but I’m not positive

[inner cloud]

color theory go brrrrr

[white junco]

these r wild (I double checked and the other one does the same thing)

[nimble ingot]

hehehehe, if you figure that out, please do share.

For reference, the banners colours are the following:
In the Ice rink, the citadel entrance(left) is blue (based on the tower's paint), and the sliding race entrance (right) has red banners
Citadel flying race gate (left side): Red left, Blue right. The starting flags outside are red.
Dream sliding race gate (right): both banner sides are blue. The outside is blue too.
Coliseum: Blue banners are on the left, and the Red banners are on the right.

In conclusion, the Left side is like this: Blue 4 Red 2
And the Right side count is like this: Blue 3 Red 3
It is inconsistent at best and confusing to say the least

[rigid mural]

do i pull out the screens I took when we talked about this

[white junco]

idk maybe the banners look different colors under different lighting on purpose, as the temple represents the entire realm without the divisions of the different sides/teams

[willow prawn]

While you people debate this, I'm going to knock some crabs for more color theory

[nimble ingot]

Even the concept art tends to favour Red being Right and Blue being Left.

[rigid mural]

Flying race

[keen shore]

Thank you for saying this!! I grew up in a family with a similar mindset to what Raider is describing, and I didn’t get the choice to not change, because I am non-binary. I was forced to do the work understanding non-binary identities, for myself. It hurts to see other people not want to put in the effort to change because — it is possible, and it’s not as hard as what they think. Upbringing shouldn’t be an excuse

[rigid mural]

Sliding race

[keen shore]

Keep in mind that our glow is yellowish and may make blue banners appear red

[nimble ingot]

true, yet the light may show a difference in colour.

[rigid mural]

I used a glow spell, these bad boys are eye-burningly white

[sharp lichen]

You made this?? It looks awesome!

[keen shore]

This is my favorite image that has ever been posted in lorechat and I love it a lot… as you all can probably tell the nb rep in Sky is very important to me

[sharp lichen]

It has extreme competition with the Olive Garden wedding, but yes

[keen shore]

I’m sorry the what

[sharp lichen]

Salem how do you not know the Olive Garden wedding

[white junco]

the olive garden wedding 😐

[sharp lichen]

from:ItsBeebo#7549 nvm in:lore-discussion-spoilers

[keen shore]

I can’t find

[rigid mural]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Okay that’s pretty funny, but ancestor pride flag still wins

[wheat cypress]

omw....... XD

[rigid mural]

salem you just give me a moment

[keen shore]

I’m scared

[sharp lichen]

You had to be there

[calm jay]

love wins!

[willow prawn]

A few crabs have been burned and gotta say, crab from beginning of Graveyard VS bonfire crabs is almost the same shade, if anything a lil darker?

[tranquil harbor]

I wish I could take a vid of the sanctuary crab changing but the walk is just way longer than 30 seconds

[keen shore]

I agree with this. There are tons of confirmed cis characters in media and their identities are never “up to interpretation.” But as soon as confirmed agender characters, some with stereotypical fem/masc characteristics show up…

I don’t want to be aggressive about this topic — it’s not like I can change other people’s interpretations. It just hurts a lot to get this one bit of representation where my identity is the norm, but most of the fanbase either ignores it or stomps all over it. I’m sorry for bringing it up again, I just felt like this needed to be added to

[sharp lichen]

The remix we needed

[frigid tinsel]

I—

[frigid tinsel]

Love wins

[rapid arrow]

Such a happy couple!

[high leaf]

They are reporting the loss of 5 layers purchased with real currency and TGC is not responsible for the disappearance of the product What a stupid thing

[civic bay]

Its that way for a ton of games 🤨 the same thing happened to me with arcana

[nimble ingot]

The what now?

[outer hare]

What are 5 layers, can someone explain please-

[sharp lichen]

Google translate shenanigans

[outer hare]

secret or dishonest activity or manoeuvring.
"the chairman was accused of financial shenanigans"
silly or high-spirited behaviour; mischief.
what did you need this for 👀 -

[sharp lichen]

I mean that this person likely got lost in translation

[calm jay]

wonder if there's a reason for why skykids have such bad posture. look it's literally just a C

[high leaf]

Sorry for using Google translate, I don't know English 🙄

[outer hare]

Its alright thank you for trying to tell us the news ^^

[keen shore]

This is due to the bad influences of laidback pioneer

[rigid mural]

TS hint says they have good posture tho, maybe it's just an ancestor thing

[keen shore]

I still don’t understand that hint. Have you seen how they sleep. I don’t get it

[outer hare]

Me trying to explain to my friends that it looks like your skykids have a broken back- them saying its cool TwT

[distant turtle]

The crossed legged one is so bad too

[keen shore]

Idea: skykids are boneless and just. really bad at pretending they have skeletons

[nimble ingot]

if they hit something, there is a PING.
If they were to crack knuckles, or pop joints, what would it sound like?
A ringing sound? A Pong? A crackling sound akin to the cracking stone?

[ashen grotto]

Skykids turning themselves into ζ after i click the sassy pose

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids bendy like bendy straws

[ashen grotto]

The stretching emotes have sounds 👀

[keen shore]

I want to see a skykid try to sit in a chair normally. I feel like they’d either try to look too normal and still be unnerving, or fold themselves into geometric arrangements that shouldn’t even be possible

[tranquil harbor]

they do sit in chairs normally

[keen shore]

I. I forgot

[nimble ingot]

oh yeah, squeaky leather and a sound like a wire bounce, or something like it.

[nimble ingot]

imagine there is an update where the skykid sitting on something would chance to their stance.

[sharp lichen]

How could you forgor tables

[keen shore]

😔

[sharp lichen]

You know how important tables are to Sky. I could write whole essays about tables

[foggy lotus]

lorechat's kinda dead rn go for it

[compact shale]

Ah yes tables

The protagonist of glitch lore

[sharp lichen]

One strange thing I’ve noticed about the tables is how small they are in comparison to the Ancestors. It’s essentially impossible for any of them to sit in the chairs, it it’s perfect they us. Maybe the Vault Ancestors knew about Skykids?

I believe the Tables are a better, more convenient version of candle benches. They were probably made to help overcome the inherent lack of communication Skykids have.

[hybrid garnet]

So, what is the actual point of these light Children climbing to the light? What is the Red glowing thing at the top?... And why is Eden the way it is? One thing I know is because the darkness took over

[wheat cypress]

you make a point about the fact that the spirits made the table because we buy it from them... however the thing about the size made me think, they are spells after all. Sky kids might alter the spells, to make the table fit their size, however this does not apply to the table cosmetic option

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible the table cosmetic was specifically made with the sky kid in mind, the same way their clothes were. Though Alasdair would probably argue that the kids make everything out of light, so there is that

[boreal nebula]

I notice that too, ever since they changed the Stadium in arrive of SoDreams, and that's what suggestes me this long cherished theory synthesised in my recent comment I ll copy paste

In my mind they both race against each other and they "steel" the first place to each other
Kakashi wins Flying SkyElderValley1 , Dora wins the Skiing SkyElderValley2
"Oh no, you don't" x2
Dora wins Flying SkyElderValley2 , Kakashi wins the Skiing SkyElderValley1
"Oh no, you don't" x2
And so on loop SkyLOL

Btw I used those funny names to be clear, but I like more the other fanname Sah Mekh (because it reminds the placeholder name for both, Sahmekh, or something like that)
Afterall I don't know which is which, Sah or Mekh sweat_smile

[sharp lichen]

Our purpose is to ascend to Orbit, and to save the people who give us Ascended Candles

[boreal nebula]

I kind of hope to see the Skiing Race with both colors to, like the Flying Race

[sharp lichen]

The table spirit has the chair on their back, and it’s specifically tiny size

[distant turtle]

Ow

[wheat cypress]

when your sky kid runs out of light, the clothes are still there, just black

[tranquil harbor]

you get default clothes don't you?

[wheat cypress]

good point, no spirit could sit on that

[wheat cypress]

ye

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

Well, considering that the spirit we get the table is in Vault, and they're a scholar, they might have known about the children of light prophecy and made a table for the "alleged child" in case they find one

It's good to be prepared, and a tiny table shouldn't be TOO heavy on your back, right?

Oh well, maybe Skybot is right and it's not that deep and they don't want another table asset, but still

[tranquil harbor]

skybot is trying to revive lorechat by summoning us in a blind, frenzied rage to attack it

[keen shore]

Consider: they made the table asset for us After becoming a spirit and meeting us. I’m totally on board with the vault scholars seeing or predicting the future somehow, I just think this interpretation is cuter personally :3

If we’re talking about canon lore, it’s worth mentioning that the table is probably a gameplay mechanic, but that’s boring. Spirits making tables for us is much Cooler

[slate saffron]

You vile, filthy creatin

[compact shale]

Hehehe our excuse for looking for something more than the mechanic is "that's boring"

And yeah while I don't think the Monastic made the prophecy themselves I do think it's recorded somewhere in Vault and Monastic went like "Hmeeeeeeeee, interesting, lemme make a portable table shrine in case I see one of these alleged children"

[keen shore]

My personal interpretation on the vault prophecy thing is that magic wasn’t involved the same way it was in . It’s just that all the scholars inside were smart enough to realize things were going to go south soon and started to record stuff for us. Unfortunately, we can’t read any of the lanterns, so… :(

[compact shale]

SEASON OF LITERACY WHEN

[keen shore]

New theory. The table wasn’t made for us, it was made to bully the king for being short

[uncut fern]

Are performance and rhythm guides twins?

[hushed steeple]

Possible old valley elders’ outfit……..

[compact shale]

the sacred table looks ordinary

heathen /j

[rapid arrow]

:O

[hushed steeple]

TREASON!!!???

(ok me, there is a 50/50 chance you misunderstood what they were saying. Lets just wait and see their reaction./j)

[keen shore]

I forgot about this until Esther posted, but I’m pretty sure you can see the spiky headdress also shown in the valleu mural on the gold statues in the colisuem

[hushed steeple]

Yes, would you like me to find it and take a picture? I’m just going to do it.

[rapid arrow]

Hello. What are we talking about right now?

[hushed steeple]

Theres concept art of dredlock Samekh

Wasn’t able to get a great picture, but at least I got one.

I unfortunately have to go now.
BYYYEEEE!!!

Bottom right.

[wanton nest]

Woah look at that lion/sphinx thing on the top right part of the left-most sheet

[rapid arrow]

In one of the sheets I thought Resh was wearing overalls

[sharp shore]

I cant stop laughing at this

[keen shore]

Forest elder has the sassy drifter stance

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if Forest Elder still has an umbrella

[white junco]

forest elder is in a groupchat with sassy drifter and piggyback lightseeker

[keen shore]

A prophecy mural shows them using the blue light to create rain, implying that they were at least around to create that rain and would’ve probably had to avoid it a bit. I doubt the rain was that polluted early on, but my vote is yes they still have an umbrella

[keen shore]

Isnt lightseekers supposed to be a forest season??? They’re ALL in a group chat with forest elder and I’m declaring that canon.

But in all seriousness… do you think they ever met I am curious

[uncut pond]

I believe most spirits knew at least one Elder, even if they didn't properly met face to face (although I'd doubt it)

[tranquil harbor]

We still need to know if Elders were apart of their community and seeing one was, at most, like seeing your teacher at the store, or like, if Elders were cryptids only properly met by spirits like Flight Guide

[keen shore]

I love the idea of just randomly seeing the elders at the grocery store. it makes me giggle every time I think about it

[tranquil harbor]

Let them be apart of their communities

[keen shore]

even if most of the elders WERENT cryptids, I feel like vault would still be one anyways

[uncut pond]

I'm all for Elders being part of their communities, it just feels right

[frigid tinsel]

It’s hard for me to see them as detached from the ancestors. Maybe people higher in a hierarchy saw them more often for legislative business, but at least the ancestors would know what they look like

[tranquil harbor]

Ironically Vault is one of the ones I'd expect lots of spirits to see. They have a friendly vibe. Like they'd totally teach the vault spirits themselves

[uncut pond]

The Vault seems more like an university of sorts to me, mostly scholars and people who really want to be there

[keen shore]

My idea was, they would, but then they get stuck in a room researching something for like years and forget to come out and interact with people (I am not projecting)

[frigid tinsel]

I’m really fond of the thought that parents would take their children to the Elder they looked up to for a blessing

[uncut pond]

Valley Elders: casually divide children in two here's our blessing

[tranquil harbor]

and that's how twins are born :) (okay but if that's the 'stork' version of how babies are made for valley ancestors I will laugh forever)

[keen shore]

The vault elder cutscene murals seem to imply them being part of their communities - it would be a whole lot of mental gymnastics to explain them differently. EXPECIALLY this one

[uncut pond]

I find unreasonably funny the thought that ancestors would take their kids to the Valley Elders expecting a blessing and then the Elders are like "you have 2 children now!" and then the ancestors are like

[keen shore]

The valley elders create twins in order to solve custody disputes over children

[uncut pond]

HAHA
Yeah

[tranquil harbor]

lol Ancestors who want multiples taking them to the Valley Elders on purpose

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) would go to as many art shows, exhibits, sport competitions, concerts, and other cultural events as possible. Even if they couldn’t stay long. Just to appreciate how creative the ancestors were

[uncut pond]

Ancestor kid: parent I want a sibling
Ancestor parent: :>

[keen shore]

How many times could you make them replicate a baby and get away with it? Like, let’s say you start with 1 baby, and come out with 2. The twin ancestors in valley don’t seem any smaller or shorter than the other ones, nor do they have prosthetics, so we can assume this process is less like dividing one baby in half and more like duplicating them. If you came back with one of the babies and like dressed differently or whatever so they wouldn’t know, could you make them duplicate that baby as well? And so on. How much could you get away with?

Could you duplicate adults and teenagers, or does this just apply to babies? If so, what’s the baby duplication cutoff age? So many questions

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe before the babies developed a consciousness, before their minds became complex. So before 3yo

[white junco]

I think it depends on how funny Sahmekh would find the ensuing chaos

[uncut pond]

The Elders' powers fail to work and the baby gets physically divided in half instead
Now the parents have to put the kid back together somehow and give up the custody of the previous twin as a punishment

This was the worst idea I could've came up with I'm sorry

[spark cairn]

I'm imagining Forest elder with that "They don't want you to know this, but the ducks in the park are free. You can take them home. I own __ of them!" But the ducks are the scouts

[white junco]

I think day elder would have a pumpkin patch

[keen shore]

Ok so. If the valley elders struggle to replicate brains (which is honestly fair), does this mean that every twin resulting from their duplication efforts is a thembo? Are they the infinite thembo creation machine

[white junco]

each set of twins has to share the braincells

[uncut pond]

Their power is too much for their world or any other world

The king made the diamond explode to stop the thembo invasion

(Wrong reply)

[keen shore]

I need to know the science of baby duplication.

[white junco]

twininator

[spark cairn]

King had to put a stop to Forest elder's plan 😔/j

[keen shore]

What if there was actually just one existing ancestor in Sky, but the twins kept duplicating them and now we’re here?

[sharp shore]

Forest elder just too pretty for us

[tranquil harbor]

You've done it, you've cracked the code

[white junco]

that would imply the sky world's version of evolution is the twins messing up with duplicating someone and just rolling with it

[keen shore]

@frigid tinsel hey I thought of a new funny explanation for your twin theory

[sharp shore]

This could be tested by a phylogenetic tree

[uncut pond]

All of ancestorkind shares the same braincell

[tranquil harbor]

TGC won't even tell us if Sanctuary is canon or not and you think they're gonna give us a phylogenetic tree?

[white junco]

wait who's the original then

[keen shore]

Oh god. Hmmm

[sharp shore]

Always believe, my friend

[white junco]

the actual twin spirits r probably the most recent bc they actually look like one another

[uncut pond]

Grandma, of course
After all, she was the one who invented- actually no I don't want to bring up that joke again

[tranquil harbor]

Sky is post apocalyptic fantasy, and therefor sunglasses are capable of being real

[sharp shore]

… mega borb ? wild guess

[white junco]

chill sunbathers yassification is beyond our understanding

[sharp shore]

TRUE !!!

[keen shore]

Ancestors were created when the valley elders tried to duplicate a crab, which is why they share so many similitarities - four limbs, wiggling when angry, and being filled with inner light

[rapid arrow]

hehe

[keen shore]

say it coward

[white junco]

reverse carcinization

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if carcinization and weasle whatsit are things in sky too

[uncut pond]

[frigid tinsel]

omg

[keen shore]

Candidates for original ancestor would not only have to be someone that’s on the older side, but also earlier in the timeline. I feel like it would be someone we wouldn’t expect. My vote goes to that one side character guy in rejecting voyagers memory

[frigid tinsel]

Pointing Candlemaker cos they're basic

[white junco]

i agree with you but did you need to call them basic /lh

[tranquil harbor]

They're vanilla but in a reliable, tasty way

[frigid tinsel]

I can't be laughing this hard my head hurts

[cunning shell]

Ah yes, this is the kind of chaos I expect from lore chat

Did the Valley twins split Rhythm?

[keen shore]

OH POINTING CANDLEMAJER MAKES SENSE. they have such powerful dad energy because they’re EVERYONES dad

[white junco]

BRAINCELL TAKE

[keen shore]

What would happen if you tried to duplicate an elder (BESIDES THE OBVIOUS ONE)

[frigid tinsel]

The Valley Elder(s) are right there

[cunning shell]

IT MAKES A KRILL that’d be so spicy

[white junco]

what if all the light creatures in the realms r just elder duplicates

[keen shore]

I knew that someone would say this and that’s why I added the second part. In my opinion they were split, not duplicated, and since I am right about everything always that makes it different. What would happen if they tried to duplicate isle elder

[tranquil harbor]

If the valley elders are duplicates, I assume duplicating another elder would yield the same results

[white junco]

I cast spell of duplication on tsadi to try and repopulate the sky whale populations

[keen shore]

“I keep trying to duplicate forest elder but a bunch of cats keep appearing instead of a person???”

[amber creek]

I say through the stupid credits because I everyone around me acted like they knew all about it. Anyway here's my orbit pictures

[keen shore]

I think someone tried to duplicate prairie elder and that’s why they’re so tall

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Eder is just two Prairie Elders in a trench coat

[amber creek]

Ok so looking down at the bottom of the second picture you can clearly see the elder shrine from vault. Is orbit meta physical or did the sky kids actually win after this. Clearly that's the Eden mountain we emerge out of

[keen shore]

Two options:

• Prairie elder is two prairie elders in a trench coat
• Prairie elder is approximately 10,508 butterflies in a trenchcoat.

Which one

[white junco]

the second

[frigid tinsel]

Both the Prairie Elders are 5,254 butterflies each in a trenchcoat

[sharp lichen]

THEY ARE CANON.

[ashen grotto]

Sanctuary was like the big break of realized ocean besides home itself

[sharp lichen]

Actually, Sanctuary was a propaganda piece made by Big Sunglasses to try to force the wrongful influence of sunglasses into our pure “””””medieval””””” world of Sky

[amber creek]

Don't be putting stuff in the main game if it ain't canon my dudes. We need clear lines on what we can argue about for this tangled lore web we have

[white junco]

your honor we can't have anachronisms in sky it's not our world

[ashen grotto]

Sunbather doesnt want you to know about the thing

[raw crypt]

the duplicate convo

[ashen grotto]

Vital lore

[keen shore]

I have a well constructed lore Theory for you all.

• Chill sunbather only appears in the open as the sun goes down. When it comes back up, they immediately ascend.
• They also wear sunglasses to protect against the sun’s light.
• Spirit memory takes place in a dim cave, filled with darkness creatures.
• no evidence of them ever interacting with garlic, possibly implying that they avoided it?

Conclusion: Chill Sunbather is a vampire

[frigid tinsel]

no evidence garlic exists in Sky

[ashen grotto]

Maybe chill sunbather just burns easily

[keen shore]

Yeah, and you know why they burn easily? Vampire

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t wanna ruin their tan, yo

[ashen grotto]

Chill sunbather has an immaculate tan (this is canon)

[keen shore]

the tanon

[white junco]

but that one ts hint thatidontrememberthespiritfor said the spirit had great skin. the spirits don't have skin anymore. what tan do they have to worry about?

[ashen grotto]

Well remembering that the spirits only repeat actions of what they did when they were still alive

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable and unlikely

[white junco]

I remembered it was guru I think

[ashen grotto]

Ok then sunbather has an immaculate tan anyways (even in death)

[keen shore]

Bold words from the person who told me sunbather didn’t want to give me a high five because they were germaphobic

[frigid tinsel]

that was Enn

[keen shore]

I’m blaming it on you anyways

[ashen grotto]

Ive got a massive theory that eden was actually repulsed by the king and that everything is red because the giant crystal is redshifting by moving further away so fast

[ember mica]

hello lore chat, i am attempting to learn the lore and have no idea if i’m failing or succeeding 👍

[white junco]

in all fairness I think a germaphobic ancestor would still be germaphobic as a spirit even if they logically couldn't get sick

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat is in stupid mode rn so hmm

[keen shore]

this is tru but I saw an opportunity and took it

[ashen grotto]

We just make lore lol

[ember mica]

all i know is that. elders crash land. everything happy. then boom. explosion. no more happy

[white junco]

you know more than I did for a while

[ashen grotto]

And then war

[ember mica]

i crawled to the depths of tumblr for this and also for the elder names (which i CANNOT find a concrete name for the valley twins, everywhere i look is different lol)

[frigid tinsel]

hold on, I'll hook you up with some Elder names

[ashen grotto]

Woah hang on you can see all four horsemen in different areas of wasteland

[white junco]

horses?

[ember mica]

my little pony REAL?

[keen shore]

NO.

[ashen grotto]

The horsemen of the apocalypse
Pestilence—disease of darkness
Famine—the farmer who cannot yield
War—the last stand at the gates
Death—the graveyard

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (and king/prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע)

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל) 

Prince – Alef (א) 

King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent: 

Isle – Dawn

Prairie – Day or Daylight

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk 

Vault – Night

[ember mica]

ur literally the bee’s knees tysm

hitting the valley twins with my transgenderification ray

[white junco]

hey can I borrow that ray for an undefined amount of time

[frigid tinsel]

everyone in Sky is agender, dev confirmed

[ember mica]

oh yeah go for it

[ashen grotto]

Does it make you have transgender thoughts or does it fully physiologically morph you

[frigid tinsel]

losing my mind at the phrase "transgender thoughts"

[ember mica]

yes

[white junco]

it makes you trans

[ashen grotto]

Egg

[frigid tinsel]

I've been out for 7 years

[ashen grotto]

Ive been unegged since

[ember mica]

idk man something about the valley elder hair is too gender to be cis

[keen shore]

Alasdair is not an egg but a whole chicken

[frigid tinsel]

I'll peck your eyes out

[white junco]

I've been transmasc ever since laidback pioneer

[ember mica]

i’ve been genderfluid since i disassociated so hard that i saw two other genders

[ashen grotto]

Realized this is a pg server my bad guys sorry i said that

[keen shore]

One day the valleu twins TELEPORTED into my closet, STOLE MY GENDER, and started playing ball with it. They won’t give it back. True story

[ember mica]

REAL AND TRUE. IT HAPPENED TO ME

[ashen grotto]

Gas station sushi is a real account

[keen shore]

I can’t believe I’m not the only one… I wonder how many people they’ve done this to… 💔

[ember mica]

the gas station sushi bit is literally just valley twins, as are 90% of john mulaney bits

remind me one day to make a salt and pepper diner animatic for the valley twins

[white junco]

hc transmasc icon

[keen shore]

today I had the ephiphany that all the doors in Sky are shaped like the elder statues and I feel like it’s important. This is the most obvious one

[white junco]

OH

[keen shore]

I can’t tell whether it applies to all elders or just the twins’, because not all doors in Sky open like that one would and don’t have a line down the middle

[white junco]

I just thought they all looked like pots

[keen shore]

This is ur brain on prairie elder

[white junco]

maybe all the doorframes are taller in the middle so they don't hit their heads

[frigid tinsel]

Elders are interdimensional travelers confirmed? They’re literally doors to other world

[slate saffron]

The elders are simply built different so the doors had to be built different too

[civic bay]

they hit their heads and broke the top so they made them bigger

[keen shore]

Maybe but. Modifications on a door THAT big?

[frigid tinsel]

Some Elders are huge

[white junco]

there have been incidents with normal sized spirits, I'd imagine the elders built the doors like that in advance

[keen shore]

Just eyeballing it from what I can tell from u guys standing next to it. That door would still be high enough to fit prairie (tallest elder) without the top taken off

I noticed a while ago that all the tops of the realm doors in Sky are shaped like the elders’ temples. Probably also relevant here

[frigid tinsel]

Symbolism

[keen shore]

This image holds so much emotional weight. Dude is too tall to enter his own realm 💔

[white junco]

the real reason prophecy guide never left the caves

[slate saffron]

ACTUALLY the doors could indicate a just how long the elders have ruled over their respective realms, as it's clearly been long enough that some of them might predate the very structures that give their realms their distinctiveness/have been there before the temple was made (which might indicate that the elders have always been rulers over their realms and that none have come before them). And so maybe the doorways were carved to in order to express glory to their eternal god-elders

[keen shore]

On the first day of the season, prophecy guide tried to dramatically walk into isle and hit their mask on the top of the realm door. That’s the day skykids learned ancestor curse words

[white junco]

in all seriousness tho i do think you’re right about the doors

[keen shore]

YEAH SEE EXACRLY. THE SHAPE LINES UP SO WELL

[frigid tinsel]

Foolish to think the Valley Elder(s) hadn't been teaching them for a while now.

[slate saffron]

THE ELDERS PREDATE THE TEMPLES

[amber creek]

I really just thought they were shaped like pots 😭😭😭

[keen shore]

Notice the diamond symbol on isles forehead…. Another time we see it in relation to the elders…

[native shoal]

What if Vault elder was the one who taught the skids how to swear? They probably know various ancestor languages so they would be gifting the skids a Variety

If They’re teaching a language, why would they leave out the swears?

[white junco]

the skykids overhear one curse word and accidentally say it around vault elder. they decide that if the kids r gonna swear they might as well have options

[slate saffron]

Sky kids have never been to school

[keen shore]

I like to imagine there are some isle specific curse words/insults that never made it to the rest of the kingdom. Like calling someone a sandeater or something

[frigid tinsel]

skid: swears
Dawn: Sunset–
Sunset: you can't blame every skid cussing on us
Night: chuckles

[amber creek]

Isle definitely has some old timey lingo

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[keen shore]

You insult someone in Isle by telling them you’ve looked into the future and they’re still as pathetic as ever

[amber creek]

I had a really cute theory about the home shrines and the statues in Eden that they represent a mother figure to the sky kids because they keep them safe and always make sure they can get home 🥺

[slate saffron]

You insult someone in real life by telling them you’ve looked into the future and they’re still as pathetic as ever

[ember mica]

please tell me@more

[amber creek]

Just looking at the statues it feel very motherly. It's almost sitting down and looking the skids in the eye. I just connected that the home shine and Eden statues looked the same

[keen shore]

Okay but in all seriousness, what does everyone think the doors and elder statues being shaped the same mean? Curious about all the ideas :-)

Also, imagine realm specific insults/curse words

[ember mica]

big people walk thru big door

[livid nexus]

I genuinely thought they were just called mother statues and i dont know where i got it from. Ive legitimately always called them that :

[white junco]

half the isle insults r about being incompetent with boats

[frigid tinsel]

Why are y’all see moms in statues?

[keen shore]

The other half is something relating to darkstone that I’m not sure how to phrase

[ember mica]

i feel like curses in the kingdoms would be totally wacky and wouldn’t seem like curses to us like what if calling another skid a krill or something is highly offensive

[amber creek]

Idk it just seems like a gift from megabird to watch other these poor kids so they don't seem as alone and unprotected. They even give us chores and we get candles allowances

[outer hare]

Then i think Matcha from Cozy chat is purposely cursing themselves

[keen shore]

Components of a mother, according to lorechat:

• Kind expression
• Sitting down/kneeling
• gives us chores
• Makes sure we are safe

Am I missing anything

[frigid tinsel]

A father could do that

[amber creek]

Bring us home

[white junco]

wait I just noticed the stone statues eyes close when you finish your quests

[ember mica]

mom statue schleepin once we do our chores

[frigid tinsel]

This is what removing the off-season questgiver has done to skykids

[livid nexus]

Shes my mom and you cant change my mind

[white junco]

not me I just hang out with ghosts

[keen shore]

So all I’m really getting from this conversation is that everyone here’s perception of moms is basically just vault elder

[amber creek]

Sky kids don't have a mom but spirit kids obviously have parents. They need some comfort. AND VAULT IS MY MOTHER WHAT IF THE STATUES WERE BASED OFF HER

[ember mica]

in contrast, we have forest elder

[frigid tinsel]

Alternatively, the Home statues resemble skykids

[keen shore]

Mom (gender neutral)

[ember mica]

lord i did not realize how late it was i gtg to bed lore chat o/ ily all

[cunning shell]

Flight QG adopted me after I flailed wildly by accidentally yeeting myself into a wind path tunnel and faceplanting into Light Whisperer

[frigid tinsel]

Of course it’s late for yall. You’re seeing moms in statues

[amber creek]

We were just arguing about door frames this is not a big stretch for lore chat

[ember mica]

LMAOOO i <3 video game mom figures what can i say

[keen shore]

I still want everyone’s ideas on the door frames! Please don’t say they’re our dad or something /j

[ember mica]

big people go through big door

[cunning shell]

If all of the elders line up perfectly with their doors at the same time, something epic happens, probably involving megabirb

[ember mica]

ok i’m actually going to bed this time gn o/

[white junco]

i'm gonna go look at doors instead of finishing this project

[amber creek]

Doorframes are shaped after pots. It's obviously a very common shape they use in arts and stuff soooo. Similar to those key hole archways you'll see in Chinese architecture. Looks cools and it's different. Definitely not practical but has some meaning to everyday life

[keen shore]

Okay yes but. Again. A lot of these doors are too tall to need the extra space on top, even for elders. Even for the normal sized ones, wouldn’t it make more sense to just make them taller and completely rectangular?? It feels significant honestly

[white junco]

oh while i'm out does anyone know where the prairie splash text appears

[keen shore]

Either in butterfly fields or when you’re flying to it from social space

[livid nexus]

Dont like cathedrals and things of similar importance also have wildly massive doors? And these are the temples so it makes sense to have such a grand door as the entrance

[keen shore]

It’s not about the size of the door. It’s about the similarity of its shape to the elder statues, especially the small cutouts on top

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: Catholic cathedrals were made with huge doors and ceilings to emphasize reaching up to the enormity of heaven

[white junco]

doesn't show up for me

[amber creek]

They like the shape and it's symbolic to them? Very bad similarity but Disney has the Mickey mouse shape everywhere in the parks because it represents something

[keen shore]

I had this issue with valley a few days ago. I want to say it’s a bug, but isle appeared for me fine so… maybe try the villages?

[outer hare]

Maybe its just linked to history- small details that show the significance of elders and other being in the world of sky?

[keen shore]

I mean… obviously ! I’m trying to figure out WHY this shape is important and why it matches the statues so well

[cunning shell]

The doors honestly give me possessive vibes. This door is shaped like me. This is my realm. It doesn’t belong to the other elders. It doesn’t belong to Resh. This is my home and I take responsibility for it

[amber creek]

We have stick figures to represent humans . Maybe that shape represents their people?

[white junco]

prairie

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder crawls out their temple

[keen shore]

SEE. It’s not even just the temple doors it’s like. Every door

[white junco]

I dont think they can get out

[frigid tinsel]

That’s Megabird etched into the top door frame

[keen shore]

I feel like the elders could probably teleport if they wanted… Although it is kind of scary to think about the twins being able to access any area at any time

[amber creek]

I'm going with representing people of sky. Looks similar to general shape of their cave paintings

[white junco]

ugh that reminds me I need to go look at the flight chime gate thingies bc at a glance they look like the rebirth gate/home portal in vault gate

[outer hare]

Im sticking to the fact that it shows how intertwined the elders were with the people-

[keen shore]

Quick pot lore: the reason why they have smaller tops and aren’t just shaped like bowls is that so mantas can’t stick their heads inside to investigate and get stuck

[white junco]

random fun fact I just remembered if you stand near the prophecy entrance u can hear the guide hitting their drum

[keen shore]

ok but… why doors specifically? Why not just have statues or murals everywhere?

[frigid tinsel]

Elders aren't Gloating Narcissist smh

[amber creek]

Cross represents Jesus and most Christians don't put him on the cross in their imagery (it's just easier to have symbols)

[keen shore]

Again… why are the symbols doors? This has to mean something, right? I’m not crazy?

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird

[keen shore]

sluuuuuuurp

[livid nexus]

Well one of the main jobs of the elders was ascending the ancestors right? So they themselves are kinda like doors

[frigid tinsel]

Well the Elders ascend spirits to the Light. Perhaps them being on the door frames symbolize how they’re the doorways to the afterlife

[cunning shell]

Doors symbolize control. He who owns the door can welcome in, or shut out, whomever he pleases. By having doors shaped like the elders, it’s crystal clear that they own the door. It’s the elders saying that they’re letting the skids in and giving more depth to this action. Also the fact that some of the doors are open could symbolize the fact that the elders were unable to keep their doors closed against the darkness that destroyed them

[outer hare]

Doors. Entrances. Entering. Showing whose place it is/ beliefs,...etc.... doors in my culture normally have some kind of writing or god/goddess on doors to show other people what they believe. In sky it must show who your entering to meet ....whose territory in a sense.

[keen shore]

I personally really like this interpretation! It’s the simplest and it makes the most sense :3

[white junco]

i’m back from forest and i have more doors

[outer hare]

More doors more brain cells about to be accumulated

[amber creek]

The threshold has major significance in many mythologies and cultural superstitions. Carrying a bride over the threshold to vampires asking permission to be let in the house with the threshold as the "magic" barrier. Could have multiple meanings

[livid nexus]

An interesting thing i noticed about the forest temple is that once youve entered you cant go back. Im actually going to check the rest bc i know at least with valley you can and it seems interesting

[amber creek]

Diamonds are obviously another super important symbol on sky and it's often seen with the doors but I don't think we need another shape to argue about

[outer hare]

You can in prairie so dont bother to check that- its part of my candle run ^^

[cunning shell]

We don’t need another shape to argue about because we still aren’t done arguing about the diamond

[cunning shell]

I’m fairly certain you can’t go back in Wasteland because of that lattice gate thing that closes behind you

[white junco]

is there a fast way to get to the wasteland temple or do I just have to zoom through everything

[livid nexus]

Im checking it now. Isle you can leave and vault there isnt really a place to leave from since its just the top floor. Granted you cant descend as far as im aware

[white junco]

your honor I already went splash text hunting today and now doors

[keen shore]

Life in lore chat 💔
Some of the splash texts, ESPECIALLY valleys, are really interesting… do you remember forests??

[white junco]

you bet i do

[keen shore]

YEAHHHH THANK U. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN POST THEM ALL TOGETHER SO WE CAN LINK BACK TO THEM WHENEVER?

[white junco]

literally the only ones I don't have are the regular prairie one and the eden one that's past the point of no return

[keen shore]

one sec I think I might be able to get prairie for you

[outer hare]

Enthusiasm off the charts- equivalent to serotonin levels of wooly manta

[white junco]

do u want words or images bc i can do either but images can get clunky when sending a lot
help my game crashed

[frigid tinsel]

Text for accessibility (in case images don’t load, screen readers)

I think they’re on the wiki?

[white junco]

they are but the wiki doesn't have some of the different versions for seasonal areas

[livid nexus]

Update you also cant leave wasteland temple

So the only ones you cant leave are forest and wasteland. Vault is iffy since you cant descend

[keen shore]

The wiki says that daylight prairies is “ring the bell towers and reveal your path” but my gut is telling me that that’s wrong

[outer hare]

Im pretty sure the in-game one said something about light creatures

[white junco]

I haven't seen one in prairie in a while

[amber creek]

Did they mantas and sky people really coexist peacefully because they mantas seemed to do a lot of work without much in return

[outer hare]

They must've been given food in return, after being domesticated-

[ashen grotto]

Wasteland is a funny one because despite being a wasteland it still contains golden, possibly a reference to its past name

[amber creek]

Maybe it had a gold mine. Look at the shipwreck full of gold

[rapid arrow]

Or maybe it was a golden city once?

[white junco]

I think it's to emphasize just how far the wasteland has fallen from its glory days

[outer hare]

Maybe it used to be a mine, gold is used to signify precious or limited. Golden wasteland because power stone material or something was found there-

[amber creek]

It would explain the pipes and sludge

[keen shore]

Minecraft Steve 🤝 Hidden forest ancestors
Mining for precious blue rock

[amber creek]

Golden wasteland definitely has the most shady stuff going on before it's fall. Look at the underground manta light harvesting in reef. All the pipes you see that definitely go to Eden.

[outer hare]

Perhaps a little amount of power stones were being found in forest, so when they found some in wasteland it turned out to have much more ^^- Maybe abyss was a processing plant is there a way that power diamonds were corrupted ( in a different way not like red rocks ) and were purified using manta's??

[amber creek]

Those buildings in reef are super sus. It makes me so mad that I can't open the big door on top of the tall tower

[outer hare]

I now have 2 theories about abyss. 1. It was a processing plant 2.It was a prototype for eden

[amber creek]

I never thought about having another Eden that makes sense

[outer hare]

I dont mind clarifying the theory if you would like to hear it ^^

[amber creek]

Yes please I always stare at those buildings in reef

[outer hare]

I believe that abyss may have been a prototype for eden- first of all the architecture style is quite similar and the icon of the door makes me think of the door in actual eden, just without the actual power crystals and stuff ^^. I have another theory regarding eden where i believe that eden was a temple before the explosion. Perhaps the King, when building abyss was thinking of it being a new temple- so that they could use actual eden instead. The move to create a temple in wasteland would have a major impact on the economy of wasteland and its people. Essentially along the way perhaps the people protested aganist the movement of the temple. Im continuing with this just give my hands a break

[white junco]

figured out why I couldn't find the prairie text: it appears like this when you first enter the area, and i'd imagine once you complete the realm you don't get this cutscene anymore

[amber creek]

Interesting . King definitely planned a lot of stuff beforehand so it would make sense he had his reach out into other parts of the world

[keen shore]

THAYS SOO WEIRD WHY WOULD IT DO THAT

[outer hare]

So then the king, rather than abandoning the resources he had implanted in abyss- used it as a prototype of what he ( still ) wanted eden to become...a hub of technology perhaps- After months of testing eventually abyss became corrupted, along with the light creatures that helped with the construction. However the king ignored this. built eden. eden crash too. thank you. after the corruption in abyss- many people studied the creatures. thats all .

[amber creek]

Very interesting. I wonder if we could see other evidence of the king making plans in other realms

[white junco]

Area Splash Text by Realm
All capitalization and punctuation is game-accurate

Isle of Dawn - Follow the bell and find your way to the temple
Cave of Prophecies - Beware The Ancient Trials

Trial of Water - Time divides each contender.
Trial of Earth - Tenacity reveals the way home.
Trial of Air - Master the harmony of heights.
Trial of Fire - Only the brave will attain the light.

Daylight Prairie - Ring the bell towers and reveal your path
Sanctuary Islands - An escape from daily civilization

Hidden Forest - Protect your light and find the source of Ancient Power
The Treehouse

Initial - A secret hideaway in the making.
On completion - A home away from home.
The Wind Paths
Initial - Abandoned paths of the ancient kingdom.
On completion - Chimes guide creatures to clear passage through the realms.

Valley of Triumph - Race down the ridge, and the city gates will open to honor you
Village of Dreams - A new spark inspires a humble community
Hermit Valley - Home of the giant with a gentle heart
Village Theater - A place to play many parts.
Harmony Hall - Melodies in the making.

Golden Wasteland - Beyond the barren wastes, the Vault of Knowledge awaits
Forgotten Ark

Initial - What was covered in the sand?
On completion - An enchanted pearl in the Golden Wasteland
Treasure Reef - What lies beneath the water?

Vault of Knowledge - Climb the Vault, its wisdom awaits
Starlight Desert - Where dreamlike worlds collide.
Dreams of A Little Friend - For travelers, the stars are guides.

Eye of Eden (appears twice with different text)
Second Section Entrance - Push into the darkness
Past the Point of No Return - Return the light of the fallen

Other
Ancient Memory - A piece of frozen memory from Eye of Eden.

[rapid arrow]

I would love to see that! Maybe in a cool secret area in Eden

[static meteor]

i just looked through all the old concept art on tom zhao's artstation i have gained a new appreciation for the game

[atomic grove]

IRL mantas are super friendly and playful. Maybe they just like hanging out with sky people?

[rapid arrow]

Mantas are like puppies in my mind

[hushed steeple]

Mantas hv mouth

[outer hare]

What do you think fragments of light...actually are?

[white junco]

i got the doors, leaving them in chat before i forget

[hushed steeple]

They can be taken as memory fragments of someone since those acts like the same way whn u relieve a spirit memory, i mean that memory circle which appears below candle icon, tho the difference is those fragments stays attached to our cape throughout the race

My own theory tho

[hushed steeple]

I wonder why tgc didn't put those concept masks on all elder room gates except prairie and forest

[atomic grove]

I wonder what giant is being referred to for Hermit Valley?

[hushed steeple]

Yeti

[atomic grove]

Oh, is he actually giant?

[hushed steeple]

But we don't hv anyone else there
And compared to skykids he seems to be a giant

And it's clear that the "gentle heart" word is referring to him from his memory,
Why anyone gonna mention some unknown entity as gentle?

Unless- 👀

[rapid arrow]

They’re like glass shards possibly. Gotta collect them all to get a clearer picture

[white junco]

they’re not exactly small

[ashen grotto]

Lorechat, does Resh use his long gown to hide his absolutely voluptuous thighs?

[rapid arrow]

PFFFT

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This is another speculation , he's most likely hiding something really big

[white junco]

lasers maybe? there r turrets in some wasteland concept art

[inner cloud]

Pew pew

[rapid arrow]

No. It’s a giant manta in there obviously/j

[white junco]

but lasers

[rapid arrow]

Manta lasers

[hushed steeple]

the truth 2.0

[inner cloud]

sky kids have lasers???

[high dagger]

They are like Cyclops from x-men. Its why they have to wear a mask or keep their eyes closed without one. C:

Skykids having laser eyes is now in my headcanon xD

[potent heron]

Where can I find him?

[high dagger]

Hermit Valley. Its through Village of Dreams and up both skii slopes. After the slopes go up the little stairs and you'll see his snow cave/hut

[potent heron]

By skii slope do you mean the boat elevator?

Or not?

[high dagger]

Yes the boat elevator/skii lift thing

[rigid mural]

The most interesting convos always happen at 5am it seems, thank you Spade for the splash text and Salem for the door theory, love these.

[hushed steeple]

We're just dark kids that needs light?

[nimble ingot]

In Dream Village. In between the buidling beside the platform where you board the boat to ride up the slope.
That us the bearhugging Hermit if you'd like to look up where his nemory is.
Their house is at the top of the slope, called Hermit peaks or summit (can't recall which off the top of my head).

[jade current]

Why can other spirits use emotes that they don't 'teach us'? Does that mean the spirit (for example cackling cannoneer) has met the other spirit that the emote is from? (cackling cannoneer using the slouching emote)
In the example (if its confusing lol) I'm reffering to I think quest 3 where cackling cannoneer uses slouching emote. Since we have to relive spirit memories to use new emotes does that mean other spirits do the same?

[placid compass]

i think it’s because spirits are more “human like” in terms of emotions and actions,where they can use other emotes outside of their main one because they feel insert way
i hc skykids to be like lil sentient golems,where they learn emotions from mimicking spirits
the emote that the spirits teach them are probably their main personality trait, e.g cackling cannoneers cackling,pouty porter pouting

[jade current]

Ohhh that makes a lot of sense I like that hc

[boreal nebula]

The 4 stars, Early Days of Prophecy Days, colorized🤣

[compact shale]

also

imagine ancestors having to teach each other their emotes

GREETINGS CHAOS MY OLD BUD

[tranquil harbor]

NO THAT WAS ECHO! DON'T FRAME ME

[placid compass]

prophecy guide travelling to meet the rose

[compact shale]

Star collector consulting with Chuckling Scout even though we all know how they are with children

[placid compass]

narcissist and cannoneer meeting up

[outer hare]

Hiking grouch and cannoneer forced to do some kind of 'teamwork'

[compact shale]

The first rule about handling the hottest spirits in Sky is that you do NOT make hot spirits from different seasons come in eye contact with each other or any form of contact above that

[placid compass]

i have a feeling they’d start arguing abt who’s better and end up having a full on brawl with prince cheering in the back

[compact shale]

fsjdflsjdfl

cue stage arson and a few dead bodies

I heard rumors that Lightseeker guide did cackle with the fire effects and I'm like "BUT THEY'RE NEAR A TREE" but then again I have made headcanons that the Lightseekers are praying for the tree to stop dispensing angry tree dust because Piggyback and Laidback are both allergic

so

Lightseeker Guide just cracked

[outer hare]

Assembly crew is traumatised- Piggyback and Laidback need help-

[floral python]

What's the lore for eden

[compact shale]

wait what assembly trauma

[outer hare]

It began when wasteland elder tried to take them on a field trip-

[compact shale]

fjsdljfsdflj field trip gone wrong

I have written a really long thing about Team Assembly going on a disastertrip but it's mostly Cadet who gets traumatized (guess why)

[lean lotus]

I need every info about the king..

[fickle plaza]

There’s a lot actually- The thing is they’re more of speculations though

I’m not really sure if they’re canon

[rapid arrow]

We have theories!

[fickle plaza]

Dang, that’s so precise-

[flint bolt]

...okie thats to much theory for my little brain

[compact shale]

Here's the King boss fight concept art

[compact shale]

Same here, just wanted to be good at being a lore receptionist for once

[flint bolt]

I mean, I did map out all of Sky Lore on a whiteboard soooo...

[wheat cypress]

Omw..... Did u save it? 👀Dying to see it now haha

[lean lotus]

Omg thank you so muchh I’m grinding this lore

[compact shale]

Don't grind too hard at once, we might make you cry or have a crisis!

[lean lotus]

Lmao I’ll try^^

[flint bolt]

I live streamed the whoooole thing if that's what you mean.

...the footage is also very flipped.

[hard marsh]

hello lorechat
I want to draw something involving the Flight crew so uhh
can I have some spicy Flight lore and angst

[flint bolt]

Birds like cloud tunnels so they make many

[compact shale]

The "Chimesmith's secret" conversation (it's not the OG one I can't find it yet)

Start here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

edit: The original "Chimesmith's secret" conversation (scroll a bit up for extra context, but the real stuff starts here)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wheat cypress]

Omw where

[flint bolt]

I saved the vod on yt if you want me to send it to you

[wheat cypress]

Pls 🥺........ Thank you 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[flint bolt]

Aight

[hard marsh]

Yeah I remember the darkstone(?) concept art where they make light creatures into juice, but idk if there's more references to that process of light creatures being abused (I forgor)

Then I thought, Flight people looked like they love light creatures so they probably hate the entire process

[compact shale]

There's also the comical idea of Team Flight kicking out darkstone supporters/possessors

The method starts out gentle but becomes more and more comically aggressive as they keep coming back

[hard marsh]

Are there any references of the Elders being involved with darkstone stuff?

[compact shale]

Forest Elder forges one with the help of our light, Vault Elder makes one float, The King may have been corrupted by darkstone

Forest Elder's temple is said to be a darkstone refinery in the concept arts

[hard marsh]

awesome
I like how the Flight people who look like they'd hate darkstone stuff, has their seasonal area in the realm where darkstone production takes place

now I headcanon the Flight crew actually avoid the forest, the wind paths entrance is the furthest from the temple possible unlike the Assembly map that's actually in the forest

[placid compass]

so from my understanding,
darkstone process
extract light from source
magic aka forest elder go clang clang
stone

[livid pelican]

Too much dark stone: Bad

[thin dirge]

Well, direct reference may be Forest Elder cutscene, or closest to it?

[placid compass]

it seems that there’s a lot of sources of light
-light extraction from trees by lightseekers
-light extraction from light creatures by violence
-light in the form of minerals (tearful light miner)
-flying light (catch the light)
and of course,fire

[thin dirge]

We now have actual in-game documentations of Ancestors being involved with darkstone and how it worked, via content from Abyss Season, such as memories, quest, but the most clearest one that can be discerned in the Kingdom's history was the Abyss Murals

Also, noticed Ash mentioned Eden Elder again today (not here tho). What they said hasnt changed from 2 years ago abt the Elder

Actually, about 1.5 years, lol. I do wonder what their role is, as Ash once again said King's role in Sky's lore is "Not what you may think"

Oh wait, actually, Ash says they've got an effect on the world of Sky and they're "present" in someways, but not always in the way you may expect. Did King become omnipresent?

[rigid mural]

Gaster from Undertale kinda predicament ?

[thin dirge]

Idk. Though, pretty sure they said the same thing almost 2 years ago abt the King

Or something similar

This was when the King's existance in the current lore in Sky was confirmed to be canon for the first time I think.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Prince was confirmed later, right when trailer/teaser vid for Proph was released, by Reika. Though they had different response abt it, saying King/Prince lore is left to interpretation.

[ashen grotto]

Manta in the panta

[hard marsh]

yeah, definitely
now I want to draw some spicy tension between Flight guide and Forest elder wwwww

[nimble ingot]

Can't help but imagine the performance guide and rhythm guide doing twins stuff, and the flight guide acting as the third wheel.

[thin dirge]

Or Flight Guide going to Prairie Elder, point at Forest Elder and go "Heeeyyy, Miss Forest Elder is making you lose your jobbbb-"

[hard marsh]

amazing

[thin dirge]

Since they're close and all

[hard marsh]

I forgor the Prairie elder lore though ahahaha
Flight guide being their apprentice is CUTE!

[mystic cosmos]

I just got here but one of my theories is that the abyss area was a place used for mining the treasure. It was flooded, ruined, and abandoned. (Wait… or is this obvious)

[thin dirge]

My headcanon is that Flight was actually raised by Prairie Elder. Because Ash's insights into the two made it sound like Flight was raised by them, its cute

[hard marsh]

CUTE!

[nimble ingot]

Not immediately, it would need to be deduced based on the murals, the environment and then backed up with a tidbit from netease's concept art.

[thin dirge]

Wait, doesnt Netease have different lore from this Sky?

[nimble ingot]

it does, and I am looking for the image in question, I may be wrong about it being from Netease, stand by.

[thin dirge]

Ah, ic

[wheat cypress]

I have a headcanon now that the performance guide and the rhythm guide are twins... But also that the flight guide is their little sibling lol

[thorny zealot]

✈️

HELLO

[wheat cypress]

ELLO THERE

[thorny zealot]

Well I think the devs said them selves that the rhythm and performance guides are twins.

[nimble ingot]

found it, it was from netease.
Since the isalnd matches ours, this might be applicable to our lore here.

[wheat cypress]

I know lol I'm just adding onto it by saying that the flight guide could be the younger sibling

[thorny zealot]

What's netease have to do with sky

[wheat cypress]

Also what's netease

[hard marsh]

There's also the Thoughtful Director, same hair as Rhythm guide

They're small, but them being in Vault made me hc them as being mature and wise one

[thorny zealot]

Another game making company.

One of the more popular ones.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/940415418873577502/942847593094983741/Video.Guru_20220131_105026167.mp4

Just a lore meme I did.

[hard marsh]

Amazing

[nimble ingot]

Netease is a another company that host the Sky game in China.

It is because of that, players on that version of Sky, have different events, traveling spirit schedules and even items there, which is not accessible to the global version of Sky.

[thorny zealot]

Oh so Netease is in charge of that? Interesting.

[hushed steeple]

This, along with the fact our honks charge others, is proof that honks are made of light which might explain why we can see them.

[white junco]

oh, did the netease servers have a different quest 5?

[nimble ingot]

Not sure, tbh

[arctic kettle]

Do y'all ever think that the diamond on the sky kids forehead are like eyes and that's why when they don't have a mask on it doesn't show, it's closed like the eyes.

[nimble ingot]

The diamond is a mask detail and not part of the skykid's face.

It might be a reference to the third eye idea, though am not sure

[hushed steeple]

It’s mostly just on the base game masks so I doubt it.

[civic bay]

I think it's just a detail for the mask, diamonds appear in quite a few places, most notably, in ||eden||

[nimble ingot]

There are other masks that have this detail. Namely the rhythm bird mask, and non- season fainting soldier's mask.

[flint bolt]

My good man, EVERYTHING that isn't a dark color in this game is made of light.

[hard marsh]

Symbol of power on the masks?

[arctic kettle]

Yeah but since it glows like the eyes you know

[civic bay]

Also stars are most commonly portrayed as diamonds (minus the actual star shape duh), so that could be it too

[hushed steeple]

Most masks don’t have a glowing diamond on the forhead. It makes it highly unlikly.

[ember mica]

maybe it’s like a piece of a fallen star that gives us our light, but some masks don’t have the diamond, but rather skykids themselves have glowing eyes and the glowing orb on their chest, so maybe we’re full of light from the inside like how humans are scientifically made of stardust

[mystic cosmos]

What do you think the life cycle of spirits/Sky children is? Including before the fall

[nimble ingot]

animal mask eyes glow too, yet it is not just because the sky kids eyes in the mask is glowing.
If it was, it would have dimmed or blinked, yet it does not. It is part of the mask's glowing properties, just as other other masks do with additional details that glow.

[ember mica]

from the beginning cutscene i always saw skykids as fallen stars, idk if that’s canon or not

[civic bay]

The masks could just be focusing the light inside the skids, any hole in the mask could focus the light ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard marsh]

I've seen someone mentioned the diamond shape on cosmetics and stuff

There's the normal white glowing diamond shape
Then recent 'electronic' cosmetics like the rebreather mask and electric guitar have blue diamond/darkstone(?) on them. Pretty cool

[hushed steeple]

Yes, sky kids seem to be fallen stars from the sky, and they are also made of light.

[arctic kettle]

I'm not saying it's a third eye, i mean it acts like one in the sense it on and off. But yeah makes sense it's just decoration

[nimble ingot]

please dont make me look at every mask in the game to compare.

Sure, most masks do not have the forehead glow, yet the fact that some masks do means that the detail is meaningful to Sky.
Just like most masks have a white, blue, gold, red, black accent at times.

[civic bay]

The Switch trailer seems to confirm they are stars, ||orbit|| also seems to concur this

[hushed steeple]

The darker blue diamonds are power diamonds. They’re used to power things, they can also make things float.

[hard marsh]

Yeah they're like

Technology

[ember mica]

blue is a contrast color to yellow :0

[hushed steeple]

True. Power diamonds are also blue when they hold no lght and tellow when they’re charged.

[civic bay]

Masks aside from main ones with the glowing diamond:
Ceasing Commodore
Hiking Grouch
Days of Love Rose Mask
Rosy Cheeks Mask
Anubis Mask

[rigid mural]

Yeah about that, I still wonder what exactly are the differences, because on one end, seems like TGC tells us it's a different game (see the screenshot, "TGC is not NetEase").

But on the other hand, chinese player feedback can influence our version of Sky (Season of Dreams, 2021 Days of Rainbow) so... not sure if the two games really are as separate...

[civic bay]

Wait that reminds me,

[hard marsh]

I looked up the in-game masks
I'm quite interested in how the style of masks can tell where the spirits wearing them are from

The (not animal)masks with diamond symbol on the forehead are mostly the potato yellow ones. The Belonging family masks has the diamond symbol not glowing but decorated in gold instead

[hushed steeple]

The power diamonds also appear to have been used as decor. An example of this is in Valley’s arena, power diamonds line the wall liike decorations.

[civic bay]

the maskless mask icon has a diamond on it

[rigid mural]

Some enchantment and rythm masks got a diamond pattern on the forehead, as well as belonging masks.

[civic bay]

I'm well aware of that but those ones don't glow, we were talking more about if the glowing diamonds specifically have significance beyond being cosmetic

[hushed steeple]

The bald icon has a hairstyle on ot. I think they used the moth mask simply to signify that there is no mask, without makng players think it’ll have a cool head piece or make you chibi. The reason they couldn’t use a season mask was because the maskless mask was made before seasons were a thing.

[ember mica]

the power diamonds may have been some sort of magic that that readily accessible, but lost its worth and magic over time — meanwhile our yellow light is really rare and powerful. that’s why we use our light to power up the power diamond w/ the vault elder

[hushed steeple]

Ah! My phone is almost dead. It’ll be a while till I’ll be able to charge it so for now
BYYYEEEE!!!

[arctic kettle]

A lot of non skykid looking mask that are too far off of our face shape don't have diamonds on the forehead while other animals with similar face structure do, idk if that was done on purpose or not

[hard marsh]

Other spirits that wear the default potato yellow masks similar to us, (Flight guide etc) appear to have the diamond pattern not glow

Not sure if it's the case for all of them though

Looked up more and yeah theirs are gold pattern, not glowing

[ember mica]

btw, i never finished the TLP (i’m still chugging thru the quest) but here’s kind of a crack/nonsense theory: what if the little prince was the heir to eden

[hard marsh]

TLP was a nice season! My first season too

The spirits in that season were funny

[ember mica]

sanctuary was my first! was a great season for summer of 2020. loved the islands and also adored prophecy afterwards

speaking of which, i saw a lore post on tumblr (which i took with a grain of salt) that said that the prophecy disciples all got publicly executed? 💀💀

[hard marsh]

I play on Switch, so I can only play when TLP came ahahaha

Aside from the discussions on what the TLP spirits are, recently I found out the spirits have connections to each realms and those are very interesting

[hard marsh]

Also what I an intrigued

[ember mica]

i’ll have to find the post again, but it explained how the prophecy spirits helped out a few of the elders, went against either them or king (i forgot which) and then they all got executed. forgot the specifics but yeah

[sharp lichen]

Not publicly, we know that. There are 3 options:

When the ancestors failed the trials, they simply died.
The trials are a mental test only, and the ancestors wouldn’t be harmed.
The trials are a mental test, but if the ancestors failed, they would be killed.

[ember mica]

ah so basically they either died in the trials or later w/ the eden explosion?

[arctic kettle]

Why were the trials created? now that i think about it, like what purpose

[ember mica]

forgive me for being a zelda junkie for a moment, but they could be something like the shrines in breath of the wild — specific trials to test the future heroes to make sure they were ready for things like eden

a lot of the trials have similar characteristics to eden (the shadow monsters in the fire trial = krill, the strong winds in air trial, etc) so it’s kind of like a training ground of sorts

[sharp lichen]

We have 2 ideas:

They were created to find the Eden Elder.

They were created to find the Prophecy Guide (this is a theory only I have)

[ember mica]

what’s the eden elder one about? :0

[sharp lichen]

In the Prophecy Murals, we don’t see any of the dangerous Eden we see now. It’s likely that they didn’t foresee it (SORRY EZLO SLOWMODE)

[ember mica]

(LMAO UR GOOD)

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder is shown in the Vault cutscene, and is the supposed ruler of Sky. He is responsible for the destruction of Eden and the corruption of the Sky world. He goes by he/him pronouns, which is exceptionally rare in the Sky world.

[ember mica]

:0 how do the trials try to find him?

[sharp lichen]

Each trial is supposed to test Patience, Resilience, Balance, and Courage. These are really important qualities to have, if you’re a guide or a ruler.

[ember mica]

OOOOOOH wsit that’s cool

[arctic kettle]

Maybe all the guides or some of them were chosen like that

[white junco]

he/him eden elder isn’t canon, canonically the only being with he/him pronouns in the world of sky is Oreo (only clarifying bc you could read this as saying those pronouns are canon)

[ember mica]

whipping out the transgenderification ray again

[white junco]

eden elder a literal trans king let’s go

[hard marsh]

Unrelated but
Is Prairie also like, the merchant realm?

[ember mica]

also, to my understanding, the only known set in stone lore is that elders fell to clouds -> peace -> war -> 💥💥💥💥💥 -> current era ?

if i can understand the fnaf lore AND the dream smp lore i’m determined to understand the sky lore

[white junco]

of the overarching story? yeah pretty much. we do have knowledge that isle of dawn used to be a prairie, that comes from the switch trailer

[ember mica]

everything outside of that basic timeline is up to player interpretation, right?

[arctic kettle]

There's was also land were the sea is now for what i remember

[white junco]

there’s not really anything you 100% are required to believe in sky besides like, we’re saving the spirits, but there is some stuff that’s more blatant than others. Technically most things are up to interpretation but in certain cases only a few actually makes sense. and we have like a couple facts n stuff but i couldn’t remember all of them

[ember mica]

:0 good to know! just wanna make sure i have all my ducklings in a row if i ever write anything that has lore in it

[white junco]

yeah, if something makes sense to you then go for it!

[hard marsh]

Thinking about this combined with how the TLP spirit associated with Isle is a ruler

Old man even got a stone animal mask (frog)

[sharp lichen]

Aw why isn’t the Little Prince canon /hj

[white junco]

he’s french he doesn’t count (also i forgot about him)

[raw crypt]

funfact in tlp concepts you can see the throne the ruler is sitting on resembles the prophecy pillar

[white junco]

can u show us the concepts with that i trust u but i want to expand my isle images collection

[hard marsh]

I'm researching about the TLP spirits rn

I've seen people say they're like satires of the Elders but right now, to me they seem like satires of the people of their specific realms in general

[raw crypt]

its just the one concept art and the symbol is enchantments fire symbol but its concepts inconsistency is expected HJFHDHDH

[white junco]

it’s free isle

[sharp lichen]

It would be funny if the Beckoning King lied about completing the Trials, since they’re supposed to be lacking in moral values

[hard marsh]

Very cool!
The frog mask looked random as first but now all the spirits in TLP look like they have cosmetics connected to their associated realms

Lamplighter has diamond/energy stone thing symbol on their hat

Narcissist has bootleg valley elders outfit

[raw crypt]

check out gloats potential emo hairs

[white junco]

teen gloat real

[arctic kettle]

All those hair together looks like a boy band

[hard marsh]

I remember someone saying gloat might be a parody of the 'handsome' sky kid subculture with how they're associated with Valley elders (hairstyle most considered handsome) and no mask

Sounded very ridiculous but now I don't know anymore wwwww

Where can I see the rest of TLP spirits concept art? Those are new to me

[grim python]

would be pretty ironic if they are because people immediately started “liking” (thanks filter) gloat as soon as the season dropped lol

[rigid mural]

SNAKE MASK

[grim python]

also I really wish they kept the boots on the pants, the fact it has no shoes feels so weird

[sharp lichen]

It’s more likely that they’re a representation of the massive ego of The Valley Elders, even though your theory sounds very fun

[hard marsh]

It's more like a meta joke. I've only seen it from someone else haha
But yeah Gloat has more than just ego, the 'most handsome' thing combined with Elders whose hairstyles are most considered handsome in a certain subculture--is pretty funny

Also they have filtered the word on Discord before so idk how aware of the subculture they are

It sounds a little too mean spirited though so I won't take the 'theory' too seriously

[rigid mural]

The word is "not allowed in the server due to inappropriate topics and discussions it brings to the chat".
Yeah I got warned because I posted a meme mentioning that lol

[raw crypt]

The ones I just posted were from the Netease news site! https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211012/29298_978047.html

However the other concepts I post are from thatskygames twitter, they had a 5 part behind the scenes thing about the collab and resonating characters, with concept art spread across all of them, I think if I linked all of them at once the filter would get me so i’ll link the first two and then the last three

part 1) https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1440791182917857285?s=21&t=n-zxRAlOuja0h67XEEUiGw

part 2) https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1444447414727819267?s=21&t=n-zxRAlOuja0h67XEEUiGw

part 3) https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1446621444910174208?s=21&t=n-zxRAlOuja0h67XEEUiGw

part 4) https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1453113118930792451?s=21&t=n-zxRAlOuja0h67XEEUiGw

part 5) https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1456362411414351894?s=21&t=n-zxRAlOuja0h67XEEUiGw

sorry i am plagued with liking sotlp

[hard marsh]

Thank you!

Don't worry, I've been thinking about TLP spirits lately...

[rigid mural]

Plagued ? We are blessed you're an absolute nerd about it

[raw crypt]

HAHDDJHDHDH

[nimble ingot]

you are a godsend ❤️

[rigid mural]

See ? Raider approved.

[sonic ocean]

question: are collab seasons considered canon or not?

[rigid mural]

Depends. They aren't entirely canon but they may give us hints on canon.

[sonic ocean]

i’d assume no because, well, they’re collabs but. Hm

[hard marsh]

It seems to be a never-ending debate from what I've seen

The TLP spirits are based on Little Prince characters but also have connections to the realms (like the Ruler - Isle)

[rigid mural]

If you want
I like to think the spirits in TLP are canon but some details and characters (the rose and the prince) aren't.

[civic bay]

And little prince himself can be low key ignored because he’s a different species entirely

[heady sequoia]

yeah that fits

[raw crypt]

AW YEAH RAIDER APPROVED

i was typing a bit bc i was trying to get my valley - gloat ideas out but words hard GHDHDHD

but yeah there’s no solid grounds on if it’s canon, semi canon or whatnot, but its fun to try and make connections GHDHDH (especially since a concept art shows at one point there was realm connections), my funny lil moth season which causes lore chat grief /lh

[sonic ocean]

me 🤝 you
moth during tlp

[calm jay]

considering we have another collab season coming up at the enfd of thre ywear (or so im tolld)
i thjink theres going to be alot of debate aorund canon collab seasons
sorry im typing weird my cat ids in my lap anf i cant use my ruight hand

[raw crypt]

yeah!! i so wanna see what the collab is

[nimble ingot]

yes and no.
It is like picking apart a salad. Parts of it can be kept in as canon, others can be picked out as not, and you are left with the bits that are a bit of both.

For instance, the Little Prince himself may not be canon in the world of Sky, as in he does not belong in the universe. Yet since he is a visitor of Sky, the events that took place can be considered to be canon.
While the Little Prince universe would not include the world of Sky, neither would Sky include the universe of the Little Prince.

So, what can be considered to be possibly canon?
The spirits themselves, as they are based on the characters in the book. They embody their roles in the book yet are spirits that present parts of the realms in sky (namely, but not confirmed to be, the gloating narcissist being based on Valley, and sneezing geographer being based on Vault).
The flowers in the starry desert, and the desert itself as it is the only outdoor area in the realm that us skykids are able to access at this time.

Other parts in the area can give insight to the realms of Sky may include the star collector's boat, the gloating narcissist's stage, the book of the sneezing geographer, the dark water in slouching soldier and possibly the beckoning ruler's platform (seeing it is unique to the spirit, namely because the character was a king in the book. And it might provide a hint of what the throne could have been like in Eden).

[wooden arrow]

hey do we know why the sky kids wear masks

[rigid mural]

Covid /j

[wooden arrow]

hahaha

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure. It could be an aesthetic purpose, since the “no-mask” doesn’t change anything

[rigid mural]

Design-wise, probably so we have more room to interpret faces.
Lore-wise, we know some masks denote professions ! Such as animal masks.

[ember mica]

i see masks as like a vessel for a skid’s power

[high dagger]

While I did make a joke earlier about skykids being x-men's Cyclops I do think maybe there is a similar reason because with no mask they keep their eyes closed. 🤔

What if their eyes leak light or shoot out strong beams of light so they try to keep it under control?

Less a vessel of power and more like a lid?

[ember mica]

yeah! something to keep it controlled so it doesn’t all go spilling out

[wooden arrow]

i like the professions idea!

[rain pond]

i think the sky kids wear it because funky face decorations but the spirits used them to denote status or profession

[high dagger]

I think both lid and profession ideas can exist together. Function and fashion/status

[hard marsh]

I also think the spirits from different realms have different style of masks

[ember mica]

same, but for the spirits if depends on if they have a significant profession — if you’re just a normal person (the dreams protagonist girl, for example) you probably have a plain mask. however if you’re someone like the spinning mentor, who obviously has a job, you have a special mask

[hard marsh]

Animal masks (except the Prophecy stone masks) = entertainment related jobs

Prairie people = potato yellow masks

Valley people = black masks decorated with gold

[rapid arrow]

I have a very badly drawn thing of this

[rain pond]

they could also represent the realm instead of profession - example: the boat mask represents that Isle was a dock, the jar mask that Prairie raised creatures and stored them in jars, the diamond mask that Forest was significant to the history of refined darkstones, the Maskless and Shinto gate-looking masks representing that Valley lacks purpose or is touristic, the whale helmets of Wasteland (credit to azukonpeito) represent the realm's militarism and possibly something to do with whales (and krills, for that matter) and the Vault information blocks show that the scholars stored information in their minds and in machines too

[high dagger]

I love it! This gives me inspiration

[hard marsh]

That's what I've been thinking about. The Rhythm guide style mask is like 'default' Valley style mask, also Assembly kids masks

Though now I wonder if Enchantment season spirits were from Prairie and is Prairie also associated with merchants..

[ember mica]

i just went and looked, and a lot of the valley spirits don’t have masks

[high dagger]

This is interesting but what of the new performance masks?

[ember mica]

maybe entertainment masks have a difference from theater masks?

[hard marsh]

/Prairie elder pin mentioned harvesting and one of the Enchantment spirits is a farmer so there's that

[rain pond]

Proof: Note the krill/whale motif, which is introduced in the concept art and shown in the mask icons.

[ember mica]

since i see the performance masks as more of a theater masks, esp because of the forgetful storyteller art. theyre holding the mask like hamlet holds the skull

[hard marsh]

Lots of spirits in realms don't have masks too ahaha

I was thinking the spirits depicted/implied as being from Valley/village of dreams were the black mask

Like the Dreams guide (black mask, simple gold markings)

[rain pond]

actually the more i look at it the more i see the krill motif over the whale motif - does that mean that krills were pre-apocalypse, or did the GW people survive the initial blast, or is this just a whale mask?

[high dagger]

I think animal masks would probably be used in theatre too obviously for depicting said animals

[rapid arrow]

So something that sorta relates to this convo is my little theory on capes

People with important jobs or who were rich in money had capes. Mostly the ancestors it really the elders

But take the difference between frightened refugee, and possibly the sneaky stance spirit
The frightened refugee doesn’t have a cape. Most likely be I well they had to leave all them had behind. Sneaky stance has a cape, so either one they stole it from someone dead or they come from an important family in the wasteland

[hard marsh]

Assembly kids are definitely not from the forest, so they're likely from Valley and they have the same smooth black mask with gold markings going on

[ember mica]

i have a theory that krill were man made by spirits but something went awry and the krill turned rogue

[rain pond]

either that or they created it to help with hiding in the shadows

[rapid arrow]

Mhm but also, the wasteland doesn’t have a lot of materials from what we see.

Also Elzo I think that krill were made by a mix of the corrupted water, The dead bodies, and light creatures, and maybe some building pieces

[rain pond]

what do the krill and megakrill in Abyss say about krill in general?

If the megakrill was just one manta and a lot of fish, then krill could be made with just a few birds because they are tiny by comparison - then what are the whales?

[hard marsh]

Bloom guide, has the same base body as the Dreams guide and the same black/gold mask. So despite being ultimate gift I think that mask is quite common among ancestors

Flight crew seem to be from Prairie, and they do wear potato yellow masks--same with Sanctuary people. From all those examples I think there's masks = tell you where the spirits are from (sometimes) thing going on

[rapid arrow]

Well look at the murals in the reef. It definitely wasn’t always that way. It probably flooded hence why there are steps underwater. So when it’s flood possibly a lot of people and creatures where got off guard

[hard marsh]

If I remember correctly there's a creature in the switch trailer similar to krills but not 'corrupted'

[rapid arrow]

Yeah, it’s like a weird prairie manta.

[high dagger]

Couldn't the krill be something like the corrupted version of many winged spirit manta we see in Vault? Its on the same floor with the skeleton that represents wasteland

[hard marsh]

To me krills are corrupted version of (something)

[ember mica]

my theory is that the krill were made to be the protectors of eden, and were developed on wasteland (hence the big pipes all over) but either the war broke out in the middle of production or something went terribly wrong, and the krill ended up harming the spirits rather then defending them

[hard marsh]

Reminds me of an old krill concept art that specified they're not evil

Poor bois

[ember mica]

there’s just something inherently mechanical about them (the tractor beam, the clanking sound they make when they go over you, etc)

[hard marsh]

Ohhh definitely
Never considered that ahaha

[high dagger]

Id never thought of that but it makes sense

If they're a machine powered by the darkstones then they maybe are just starved of light to power them

[keen shore]

YOU WOULD THINK KRILLS ARE MECHANICAL RIGHT?? AND IT WOULD HE SUPER COOL IF THEY WERE. BUT THEYRE CONFIRMED CORRUPTED LIGHT CREATURES AND IM STILL A LITTLE MAD ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE MACHINE OPTION IS SONMUCH COOLER

[ember mica]

it’s my krill and i get to choose the origin story /j /lh

[high dagger]

WHAT IF THEY WERE CYBORGS?

[hard marsh]

Maybe both

They are corrupted light creatures, but the way they work is mechanical in nature

[high dagger]

To be fair yeah. If TGC is going to insist that the story is what we make it then it's weird they occasionally post "canon" lore tidbits and expect us to go along with it

[ember mica]

CORRUPTED MACHINES. CONCEPT. CONCEPT

[sharp lichen]

Remember: we are the authors of the lore bible.

[ember mica]

like the botw divine beasts (i am exploded for zelda lore reference sins)

[high dagger]

Sky is actually ancient Hyrule/j

[rigid mural]

Could be both if you were brave

Maybe krills are armored light creatures, half-cyborgs of threatening size

[high dagger]

To be fair we don't know what light creature skeletons are made out of... What if they're metal or something?

[keen shore]

This is a really interesting implication and I want to see it taken further. Like does darkness corruption make them act like machines?? It would make sense,

[hard marsh]

Mechanical is like

Opposite of life

And when they're not having red eyes, Krills have the blue light similar to energy stones

So uhh makes sense (?)

[wheat cypress]

I genuinely hope they're not just making it up as they go lolll when Sky's days end in the year 5098 I will demand a PDF from TGC to explain what the actual story has been this whole time

[civic bay]

They're made of bone since theres a literal place called the "boneyard"

If they were metal they would be called frames or something of that sort not bones. Bone appears in forest, wasteland, and vault

Of course I don't know with krill but in the case of light creatures bone is pretty confirmed, at least for some of them

[cunning shell]

Krills can be corrupted light creatures and be machines at the same time. They seem to be dead, which if they are corrupted light creatures, maybe they were killed because of the corruption making them too dangerous. The corpses could be repurposed with cybernetics and weaponized. Given the fact that we start seeing them in Wasteland, they could’ve been zombified weapons of war

[civic bay]

Is eating light like eating brains for them if they're zombies

[cunning shell]

Probably so, yeah. Skids brains are lightbulbs confirmed /j

[ember mica]

maybe the krill are powered by power diamonds, hence the blue light from their eye

i just vibe with mechanical creatures so i love any sort of theory that stuff is secretly cyborgs and stuff like that lol

[hard marsh]

And power diamonds are from light

Maybe that's why they go after our light

[ember mica]

:0 maybe the krill want our light because deep down, the power diamond inside of them wants to be purified ? so the krill really do just want a hug so they can be pure again?

[cunning shell]

Headcanon accepted let’s go steal the magic from Fire Trial and hug all the krills

[pastel brook]

trial by fire

[ember mica]

it really gives a sort of “solve everything with a song, dance, and a hug” sort of resolution but honestly that’s sky’s vibe

[sly lake]

In Journey, the War Machines (aka the "Krills") were mechanical enemies that were powered by good creatures, the cloth creatures.

So it's entirely possible that krills could be a fusion of mechanical and corrupted light creature in nature.

[ember mica]

now i wanna write up some sort of backstory for the spirits who first created the krill :0..........

[hard marsh]

Go for it!

[sly lake]

And if all else fails, there's always fan-made Alternate Universes where you can be the one in control.

[hard marsh]

//I am thinking about TLP spirits

I have a theory that they, like in the books-- are parodies of adults in Sky universe. Maybe not just the Elders

Also I'm 90% sure I'm overanalyzing but the base body types seem to take part in that too

Star collector doesn't look like Prairie elder at all, but if Prairie is associated with harvest and maybe merchants-- a greedy star collector on a merchant boat being a parody of Prairie people might make sense. The body is also chunky like many prairie spirits

Geographer references the Vault scholars, even the base body with the long sleeves

The Lamplighter is tricky aside from the diamond symbol on their cap. The base body is a very default one but the Forest spirit shown to be a worker that literally dies in their job (Light miner), also has that same body (this one a stretch though)

Slouching soldier has the same body style as Saluting Captain. Maybe they're a parody of soldiers in the wasteland being miserable alcoholics which is.. depressing

Ruler having stone animal mask like the prophecy spirits and Gloat wearing bootleg Valley elders costume are the more obvious ones

[white junco]

yeah i think ruler would reflect the prophecy spirits a lot more than the base isle ones

the prophets might get seen as aloof living in their big prophecy cave with all its secrets, but i can’t really see anything resembling beckoning ruler in, just to pick a random spirit, pointing candlemaker

[nimble ingot]

Netease artwork.
This was supposedly for the Season of Abyss.

If this were to imply the ginormous dark creature of the season to be related to the whale, I will pitch a fit.
However, given the art style makes it tricky to establish if this is a giant eel, or a whale, or an elder manta. That an this is netease that we are dealing with.
The matter may be still up for debate.

[white junco]

i think it’s meant to imply that the krills used to be whales, since the abyss creature doesn’t have those krill horns
oh wait that actually looks more like the elder light creature in sanctuary. huh

[white junco]

oh wait i just realized. Beckoning Ruler’s emote matches the general isle emote theme you see with Pointing Candlemaker, Ushering Stargazer, and Troupe Greeter. And those three emotes are used to represent isle in this image

[nimble ingot]

Even if the Whale has horns, that and the size alone might not be enough.
The official name for a krill is Dark Dragon.
Seeing they are corrupted creature, one can assume an uncorrupted version would be called a Light Dragon.

The Whale/Big fish is the creature's official name in the game.
While it is possible for a creature to change into a different type of creature upon being corrupted, it feels like a stretch if a corrupted whale would a krill.
While the concept art seems to back it up. There is still a possibility that the current game would deviate from this idea of the corrupted creatures would resemble their uncorrupted forms in some way.

What makes this difficult to confirm in the game is there are creatures in the game that has an established corrupted and uncorrupted variant.
I'll elaborate in a moment on that.

[raw crypt]

I believe that whale with krill horns art is a fanwork shared by the news site rather than an official concept art

[white junco]

that would make sense but then why is it copyrighted

[raw crypt]

https://sky.163.com/news/official/20220412/26689_1012330.html
"Travelers are inspired by the scenery of the diving season, and use paintings and videos to record memorable stories and encounters. We have collected some excellent works of players to enjoy with you." (Google translates best efforts LOL)

Watermark?

[violet sundial]

If i’m not mistaken, i do think krills r the shriveled up remains of light creatures, cus theres a whole concept art about how power diamonds are made! They feed light creatures into a machine that drains their light

[white junco]

on closer inspection this looks like same kind of creature as the elder light creature in sanctuary

[violet sundial]

Unfortunately manta blenders aren’t quite blenders 😔

Actually no that’s quite fortunate splatoon music

[hard marsh]

For me I see it as, the TLP spirits parody/are stereotypes of the ancestors that aren't just rando civilians

They got prophets in isle? Weird stone animal mask dude who rules no one

Prairie known for harvest and maybe if Enchantment season people were from Prairie (same mask style) ? Scheming merchant

They do mining and heavy work in forest? An exhausted worker (lamplighter)

War times in wasteland? Literally just a miserable soldier

There's a lot of people in Valley. Little villages and stuff--- the Gloat spirit just parodies the elders.

[violet sundial]

Maybe valley folks were stereotyped as being really smug

[hard marsh]

Yeah there's pride/hubris themes going on in Valley

The valley elders pin poem start with 'Triumph awaits for riders of the skies,
Pride swells to blaze a trail.' so there's that too

[nimble ingot]

Touching on forbidden lore, the reason why I would call what I am going to discuss forbidden is because it is related to hacked content.
There is an image of a corrupted manta, yet this creature was not cut from the game. The reason why or when it happened is beyond me, though I still find it fascinating.

That said, I am not going to show the image here, though would like to hypothesise on the fact that a creature that becomes corrupted would wither, become darkened and aggressive. As of now, we only have aggressive crabs, ferocious krill, and an ominous yet docile leviathan of the season of Abyss.
While the leviathan appears passive, the season's narrative has made it clear that the creature can become hostile and pursue light. The creature though seems conflicted on the bases that the game does not show the creature acting aggressive. It might be because of the game's limitations, or the fact that making such a large creature hostile would mean that it would have to be separated from skykids, or it can kill a skykid in one bite.

There is not much else to talk about corrupted creatures, beyond looking at the krill, crabs and leviathans.
It would be interesting to observe what else a corrupted creature would do when not hunting for skykids. Would they scavenge around, attack other competing creatures?

I do hope the game might explore on its lore of corrupted creatures, and the world of Sky.
Such as, would corrupted creatures still attack flying ships? If the Leviathan would eat the spirit and the skykid, would that mean the Light Awaits narrative of hostile creatures attacking ancestors is still valid?

[tranquil harbor]

Considering the Leviathan did eat us, I don't think it remaining below is them being canonically docile. I think it's there for an easter egg because we can't replay the quest

[frigid tinsel]

Remember when lorechat was freaking out over this dark manta in a OOB after Flight 4th quest? And it turned out to be nothing? Aw good times.

[tranquil harbor]

This, or it has realized we are prey it does not want to mess with

[rigid mural]

Oh bless, some people even called it the angel of death.

[frigid tinsel]

my friend memed it, hold on

[frigid tinsel]

what's interesting about the leviathan is that after being released in the 4th quest, it went down into the deeper, darker depths rather than rising up. granted, it's huge and doesn't have a lot of space to move, but given it's a dark creature then it would want to consume light. there's a lot of light creatures swimming around in the shallows of Treasure Reef it could've reached for. yet it did not. it immediately went down.

considering how dark creatures are found in dark, shadowy places (crabs in caves of otherwise well-lit realms, krill in Wasteland & Eden), it's liable that the leviathan too is averse to ambient light. or even light too powerful for it. after we freed the spirit/upgrade manta, it gave a burst of light and the leviathan spat everything in it out. it could still want to consume light, though its aversion to light overwhelms its own hunger.

tl;dr – leviathan said "it's too bright"

[keen shore]

Hey, notice how this phrase can also describe the valley elders? New conspiracy theory…. I know their secreg

It would be cool if krills were like, the corrupted version of whales that had been armored and used almost like tanks in the wasteland war. Like during corruption, the mechanical bits of their armor fused into their flesh

[nimble ingot]

oh! How can on forget. XD XD
I suppose there was a Dark manta in the game.

And Agreed!
That Dark manta was an angel of death, a sign of the final quest being a let down.
The season was bird themed for crying out loud. There is no way in Eden's darkest pit that one can be mistaken that the elder bird would make an appearance in the game. And yet, we get stuck up with a revamped 'rescue the manta from dark plants' quest with a greater manta flying into boulders.

R.I.P elder bird that could have been in the season.

[nimble ingot]

come to think of it, would it be possible to recreate the bug if the area still changes colours after doing a quest?
Will be heading there now to test that out.

[keen shore]

Conspiracy: the elder bird WAS in the season — it’s flight guide

[spark cairn]

Can't believe it. The opposite of furrysona: humansona

[nimble ingot]

Pardon the question, isn't is Persona?

[keen shore]

Flight guide like a werewolf, but for birds. Instead of becoming insatiable bloodthirsty beasts whenever a full moon rises, they turn into a giant bird whenever they see seeds and fly around, squawking crazily and stealing everyone’s chimes

[frigid tinsel]

some think Rhythm guide can turn into an elder bird. wonder if Performance guide has the same trait?

[spark cairn]

In jokes it's always been said as humansona

[nimble ingot]

😄 Reminds me of an old comic where someone made the rhythm guide able to turn into the elder bird.
Headcanoning the flight guide to be similar is a cool fan idea 👍

[keen shore]

Instead of the downsides of a werewolf transformation, like pain and mauling everyone around you, flight guide’s elder bird transformation just results in extremely embarassing moments everyone else uses to blackmail them with (like getting their head stuck in a pot). This is canon now because it’s funny and I said so

[frigid tinsel]

Flight guide, panicking: squawk!

[keen shore]

The reason darkstone is banned from the windpafhs is because flight guide’s Idiot Bird form will attempt to eat it and get sick. This has happened before

[nimble ingot]

imagine the day elder doing the Heimlich manoeuvre to the poor apprentice. XD

[keen shore]

The fact that they had to bring a veterinarian to the wind paths (light whisperer) isn’t because of the mantas it’s bc of flight guide

[keen shore]

This image is killing me

[nimble ingot]

Either Vela is doing a doodle, or I am after investigating the dark manta.

[frigid tinsel]

looks up "how to save a bird from choking"

[sharp lichen]

Counter-conspiracy: the elder bird isn’t real because birds aren’t real.

[spark cairn]

Drew this as fast as I could

[frigid tinsel]

Birds do not have a diaphragm that sets the chest cavity apart from the abdominal cavity. Hence, as their caretaker, you must try to gently feed them with your hands by turning them upside down without inhibiting its head.
so hold the bird upside down and stick your fingers in their throat. or go to a vet

[sharp lichen]

They never were and never will be. We see the Isle Elder creating birds. It’s so obvious that I can’t believe how it’s not confirmed.

[patent elk]

Alright my fellow lore enthusiast. Shall we theorize on Megabird for a bit? Because I've dabbled in looking up stars and constellations discovered by human kind in history. Heck, even checked to 'first' solar system to be the oldest out of a million.

Now, we are not going to talk about planets. No no. We are gonna talk about stars and relating to them.

Now, Moths, skids, are children of light. This light is a power source in the world of Sky. They harnessed it before they mass produced it to be used by many.

Here is a question I've been thinking so far; is the Megabird a type of outer celestial being and the brightest solar system there is to be in the world of Sky?

Wait solar system is incorrect. Galaxy--Megabird being a galaxy

[keen shore]

This is exactly what happened thank u for illustrating it

Megabird being a Galaxy/star cluster/something similar seems to be implied by orbit, where you fly up towards and and rivers of light creatures/light in general are flowing out of it. I had this headcanon that they’re the Sun, but I’m not sure if that’s true and ended up stealing and revamping it for a personal project

[patent elk]

It's bright as the sun, yes but not really. Definitely like a galaxy.

I mean, look at this thing.

[frigid tinsel]

here's Megabird after the end credits as seen while descending from Orbit for reference

[white junco]

sort of reminds me of the vault spirit mantas

[keen shore]

This image kills me every time I see it because I know, logically, that it’s a massive and extremely powerful god. But when I look at it all I can think is “spaghetti”

[patent elk]

Megabird in all its glory

[patent elk]

Looking at the concept art before the final work, it looks like Megabird houses massive amounts of empty souls, still thinking what that is about, and sends them to earth to be full before joining Megabird again. It's a repeated cycle.

[keen shore]

Wonder if the whole reason why darkstone is Bad is because it traps light inside instead of letting it cycle back to megabide???

[patent elk]

Maybe.

[cunning shell]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

When we run out of WL in eye of Eden, our bodies turn to stone. But if someone is with us who isn’t stone yet, we float around as, say it with me, BLUE LIGHT

What if Darkstone/power diamonds aren’t just a power source? What if they’re small, handheld prisons that deplete a skid’s soul? Think about it. Blue, use light to power things, corrupt light creatures…

This just got real

[keen shore]

Blue seems to represent things affected by corruption/darkness in general. Like darkness plants, the spirits we have to save, and like you said, darkstone. Spirits have the same blue star in their chests (befkre we ascend them, then it turns yellow). It might be that our star is blue too just because of the extreme darkness in Eden.

however.. while ascending the mountain, close to where pnr starts, you start to see abandoned skykid shells with blue crystals growing out of them, which look incredibly similar to darkstone. It’s possible that darkstone is somehow made from/the result of light creature corpses, like a version of fossil fuels. This is also supported by the whole… well… gsstures loosely towards season of abyss

Considering light and life seem synonymous in Sky, that would make darkstone roughly analogous to reanimated corpses, which. :(

[nimble ingot]

A skykid turns into stone upon death only in eden. Anywhere else, the skykid either crumbles away, or turns into dust.
The blue sprite you are referring to is the skykid's soul sticking around with any acquaintance they had at the time.

There is a theory that the darkstone might have some soul energy embedded in it to help it maintain its power, although it is uncertain.

The colours of a power diamond/dark stone and what they mean are as follows:
Dark/black - Dead/unpowered
Blue - Idle/has power/dormant
Gold/yellow/white - Powered/activated/charged
Red - Corrupted