lore-discussion-spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

sigh
I wouldn't say most think so. it's quite divide. mostly cos of how unreal the Vault is compared to the rest of the the realm that people debate it's realness. it's definitely a canon area – it's a realm in the game, after all.

[novel marten]

HC: Vault is intentionally kind of dreamlike and illusionary, not just because all the magicians and scholars are there. But it may have also been protection from invasion or something, to confuse enemies and make sure no one can access the knowledge unless they have verification

[outer hare]

OH SHOOT- I WROTE THE WRONG THING I APOLOGISE i meant starlight desert

[sharp lichen]

Even still, the Starlighr Desert had to have some sort of purpose, since it was linked to the Wind Paths. Maybe it had strategic importance?

[rigid mural]

I like to think the Vault is a real place but with a heavy layer of holograms thanks to the elder and ancestors for lore & so we don't get a lonely library before the storm.

[frigid tinsel]

I think the Vault is real but a liminal space, where different planes of existence intersect

[outer hare]

I was wondering why the little prince was able to get to eden by just walking straight- i thought that it mustve meant that the mountain was close, but then why didnt starlight desert break down the way golden wasteland did?

[sharp lichen]

The real world intersects with Vault to create the Office, and the Prince’s world intersects with Vault to create the Starlighrt Desert

[sharp lichen]

I mean, we do see krills, destroyed boats, and a deserted feel.

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably the Little Prince could just walk into Eden from any side. Eden is atop a mountain. Sure, there are specific paths that are safer like the one skykids take, but you can trek there from any passage.

[rapid arrow]

Also about the starlight desert. More importantly the moon. We’ve only seen the moon in one other place. The dreams finale I believe

[high dagger]

What about all the skeletons in wasteland? I though the defences were against angry monsters or something

[frigid tinsel]

what's the point of having ground defense if your opponents can fly?

[high dagger]

Well if you can't fly... Ground defences easier to get to

[rain pond]

we also see it sometimes in eden i think

[high dagger]

Its like... Why have defences on the ground when being attacked by planes? So you can get rid of the planes

[rain pond]

also can we talk about the statues in PNR and orbit? They have the Arceus ring around them what are they who are they

[high dagger]

Pokemon x Sky crossover confirmed? XD

[frigid tinsel]

Off topic but one thing about the slomo here is watching lads fight with emote reactions and I find that so funny

[rain pond]

no but actually they have like the vault elder's thing but some weird sunburst ring- were they the King's best archivists or something? Were they technicians that died before the apocalypse?

What does the sunburst behind them symbolize? Does it show that they're turning their back away from the Light or that their power comes from (is backed by) the Light? It could be either, but if it was before the apocalypse then the latter would be be more likely

[outer hare]

Maybe priests, the ones without those rings might be scholars

[keen shore]

I agree with this. I’ll try to explain it in a way that makes sense to me — my idea is that vault Is a real place, but under all the purple light messing with it it looks different than what we’d expect. Like, the size and shape and all are correct, the appearance is not.

It is really fun to me to straight up tell people vault isn’t real, like I do with tlp. That’s not me acrually saying my POV on it though, but messing around

NEW THEORY. vault is actually just what Eden is supposed to be. The “”vault elder””” is actually just the king hiding their real identity so we won’t get mad at them. The entire realm is just everyone lying to us on what it’s actually supposed to be like /j

[rain pond]

why would the king honor priests?

also i don't believe they are winged light - if they truly are shards of the King/Prince or even deceased travelers of a new race it would place them after the apocalypse

[rapid arrow]

I also think the vault is also a bit spacey because the memory of the place is fading. Which is sad

[keen shore]

These dudes

[rain pond]

I really like the scholars/technicians theory because the king would try to honor those who furthered his/their/the kingdom's goals the most, and they have the slabs on their heads that could store info, like the vault spirits - perhaps more scholars were in the capital and they died when the fall fell?

[outer hare]

The more spiritual have better connections to megabirb, they are honored due to their ability to reach out to megabirb in times of need. And it doesnt have to be that the king favoured them honestly. The general public would have looked up to them.

[keen shore]

Headcanon. All the holograms/illusions are the vault elder trying to project a memory of what Vault used to look like for us, so that we don’t just see the ruins, but the reason why it looks so weird is because they’re weak (from lack of light) + their memoru is fading

ALTERNATIVELY. new idea. It’s like the rains in forest, where the emptiness/desolate feel represents their loneliness

[rain pond]

all i know is that it's not the elders - there is no resemblance to them at all, and we know that the sky kingdom could at least do basic likenesses

[outer hare]

The picture that salem has found is in the little bit when your skykid is going up to orbit, which i believe is a temple. Hence being it a temple, i believe that the statues are of priests.

[keen shore]

I actually disagree. Those statues look a lot like Vault elder, down to the diamond pattern (simplified from the real model probablu for art purposes) along the front. The sneezing geographer has a similar pattern along the rims of their cape

[rain pond]

it could just be a large gazebo/entrance to the castle, which is supported by it literally being in front of the castle. it could be either honestly, it goes both ways but my bias leans towards the scholars theory

[unreal shuttle]

Oh god, please yes

[rain pond]

well it could be the vault elder but it could also be other scholars with the head slab - apologies for not making that clear lol

also 4 statues of the vault elder??? needless extravagance from our dear departed king over here

[outer hare]

But then, what is the difference between the ones with rings at their back and the ones without.

[rain pond]

idk they look like copy and paste maybe the rings fell off lmao

[keen shore]

I wonder if they’re all modeled after a specific diffeeent person (since they all look so similar) or it’s like… generic scholar statues if that makes sense?? I would like them all to be different people as well, like memorials of them, because it would be really sweet. It’s so hard to compare how similar/different they look with half the features gone.

Also yes, the rings do appear to have been broken off

[rain pond]

i mean hear me out they are very tenuously attached to the thing if the apocalypse / diamond blast cut through solid, thick stone it could cut through tenuously connected thin bits of stone

but why is there one left? plot convenience

[unreal shuttle]

Is there a kind soul that show a picture of the statues we are talking about?

[rain pond]

eg

[keen shore]

I’m trying to figure out what the ring things even are. They also remind me of a halo, but the fact that they’re on the back is weirding me out. Maybe they’re supposed to represent light rays coming from the statue? Like how we glow? Idk

[rain pond]

im heading to bed i need rest for the fullserver eden run im hosting

although i do wonder where the explosions place the castle - is it abve PNR, therefore when the diamond exploded it blasted the entire thing upwards?

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that these rings (or similar) are on top of the Vault

[rain pond]

symbols of the kingdom, seen in the halls before the races in valley of triumph (i think)

[keen shore]

Add those to the ever growing list of diamond symbols we have to decipher. Seriously why is there so many? Why can’t they use other shapes to make them more distinct? Smh

[rain pond]

because i think they also line the walls next to the door into the first part of eden - can someone check and get back to me on that when i wake up?

[frigid tinsel]

One thing, it’s not the Belonging symbol

[keen shore]

Small side headcanon while we’re on a similar topic. You know those statues lining the hallway into pnr and dotting that area as well, the ones that look like the home shrine? I headcanon those as the memorials/gravestones of important scholars (or just people in general, maybe), and the fact that you can light them is like the equivalent of putting flowers next to them. Like those white candles you see in front of the spirit gravestones in other places.

It’s just a sweet idea that even after the people they’re dedicated to have been long gone, and even after their purpose has been forgotten, they still help us by holding our light for us and helping recharge our flame

[frigid tinsel]

You mean the Home-looking statues?

[keen shore]

YEAH THOSE GUYS

[frigid tinsel]

Always wondered why there were so many of them in Eden and why they don’t work (take you to Home). They seem very associated with skykids

[keen shore]

They just remind me of gravestones for whatever reason. I’m not sure why. am stickingto headcanon tho

[frigid tinsel]

yknow how the Elders have associated stone altars with them? If the king was a skykid, what if the little statues are sorta the king’s altars and us skykids just adopted them?

And given that the Elder altars bring us to the Elders’ pocket dimensions, what if the king/skykid statues bring us to our own pocket dimension, being Homespace?

Meditating in front of them doesn’t work in Eden because of the darkness drawing on our light, pulling us back.
Musing

What doesn’t line up with the pocket dimension idea is that skykids are reborn at Home. That doesn’t seem feasible if Home was its own pocket dimension separate from the rest of the world.

[keen shore]

OOOOHHHH that is a cool idea :0 I’d have to wonder why it’s in such a different style from the other elder statues though

[frigid tinsel]

It the king was a skykid, they’d be a skykid, not an Elder. Also much smaller than them

[wheat cypress]

I can totally see this bc iirc the elder's pocket dimensions are all surrounded by water as far as the eye can see, same as homespace

[boreal nebula]

@rigid mural I think there are books in Tearful Light Miner'smemories (attached to friend which later die in a cave in), there should be one in DeepBow Woodcutter iirc

Then I think the Forgetful Storyteller in Season of Performance has/lose one too

[keen shore]

The existence of light whisperer tells us that sometimes mantas need medical care. They also have powerful looking beaks/diamonds that could make their wounds worse if they poked them.

So consider, as a prevention for that: Manta in a cone of shame

The baby ones are too small to fit in cones, so they get stone plates with the middle cut out of them instead

[calm jay]

i'm sorry but that last part immediately made me think of this

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe an air muzzle

[celest carbon]

What are the skeletons on the battlefield of?

[foggy lotus]

angry woo

[calm jay]

we don't know for sure. they don't look like any creature we've seen in sky so far.

[outer hare]

WOOOLY MANTA IN A CONE! FREE THEM IMMEDIATELY

[keen shore]

Oh my god…. yes. I love it

[shut ocean]

Can someone give me a run down of the lore for the temple dudes? I have no idea who or what they are but they look cool

[sharp lichen]

Temple people (more formally called the Elders) are supposed to be the rulers of the realm. They are each associated with a specific power:
Isle Elder: Birds
Prairie Elder:Butterflies
Forest Elder: Crafting and forging materials
Valley Elders: Entertainment
Wasteland Elder: Strength
Knowledge Elder: Most likely intelligence/production of memory cubes

[frigid tinsel]

worth noting that Isle Elder has a lot of ferryman symbolism. given Isle is the first realm to Eden, the kingdom's holyland, Isle Elder is analogous to mythos of deities shepherding souls across rivers to the afterlife

[keen shore]

Bringing this back bc chat is dead and I am Still proud of this realization that I made earlier.

Some assorted ideas I have in relation to it:

• It would be really neat if wasteland was once the lower part of the valley city, but all the buildings there were wiped out in a war or natural disaster and now only the ruins of the upper half remain. I wonder if wasteland elder would also rule the city in conjunction with the twins, or if they were just the army leader like I thought above
• Were the soldiers created as a job/defensive force when the war started, or were they a separate job that got turned into that??
• Floating areas in valley like citadel maybe being built after the war in order to keep the people within safe, would help us date some of the valley cities maybe??

[cunning shell]

That’s an interesting theory. It’d be tragic if wasteland existed under valley. The twins’ playful yet fiercely protective vibe makes me think that they probably would’ve ruled by themselves, but I can’t reconcile the pollution and ghetto-ness of the light-filled valley with the twins. I have another thought so I’ll add on to this once I type it out lol

[sharp lichen]

I would imagine The Valley Twins to mostly spend their time playing sports, ignoring most government-related activities.

[keen shore]

You would imagine that@ but you’d be wrong
Source: it came to me in a dream

[keen shore]

Ok but actually. This idea seems fairly common among the fanbase but I just can’t see it. I know there’s no evidence to prove/disprove it either way (because we get a 30s cutscene for them at the most), it just doesn’t make as much sense or as interesting to me as them acrually being really good leaders and just doing the sports stuff on the side

[frigid tinsel]

it's possible Wasteland Elder and the Valley Elder(s) ruled then-called Golden Valley together but took on different rules. the Valley Elder(s) focused on the welfare of the people, which would include but not be limited to entertainment, while Wasteland Elder focused more on building a military for defense (perhaps was more involved with the military-side of citadel) and industrialization.

the latter would cause the pollution (I don't see the "ghetto-ness" though, considering that Wasteland was utterly wrecked) although necessary for the city's prosperity. I imagine that could've caused a lot of disagrees or tension between the Sunset Elder(s) and Dusk Elder. manufacturing how can you balance products necessary to the people's welfare if the production creates a lot of byproduct that harms the same people?

maybe as the Wasteland became more of a wasteland, people were moved into the safety of the city peaks. maybe that dissonance would've caused a war or a revolt. maybe the Elders led a lot of charity efforts. maybe the other Elders were critical of Sunset and Dusk or the king because of the harm caused or, if the Sunset and/or Dusk Elders objected to the power diamond production because of the harm it was causing, the other Elders objected to them. maybe that would've caused a war or revolt.

[pastel brook]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[frigid tinsel]

poor timing, skybot

[outer hare]

Maybe the valley elders focused on the economy and trading ( etc, around that ) while the wasteland elder worked on how alasdair said- military and industrial related jobs

[keen shore]

If pollution is the sole reason Wasteland is the way it is, it would be really interesting bc, although hidden forest is also super polluted, it’s not nearly as empty/desolate, although we never find actual houses there either…

If we wanted to We could Combine this idea with the idea of Forest getting abandoned and then rediscovered/explored a lot later (in the spirit memories) and say that Forest DID end up similarly bleak and was abandoned for those reasons

[outer hare]

I believe that it may be the way the land is set up in sky ( if we had a map and if we do i havent seen so this may be incorrect ) - with perhaps wasteland closest to eden, hence the explosion damaging it the most ( after eden of course )

[sharp lichen]

My idea is from the Vault cutscene. All the other Elder murals show them doing their most important duties: summoning birds, creating power diamonds, etc. But for Sahmekh, we see them playing sports and not much else.

[abstract goblet]

I agree with this. As seen in the murals of forest, the forest was used as a transportation route for all of the darkstones (if im remembering the mural correctly), and since valley is after forest and has sliding routes, it was probably also used to transport things and thus had lots of trade going on

[sharp lichen]

The Wind Paths could also complement this

[keen shore]

Considering the vault mural from this sequence is just the elder holding a lantern, I don’t really see it as their “most important jobs”. More like what defines them from the other elders. Like, sports and performance are unique to the twins, but their most important job is already implied/obvious from their position and doesn’t need to be stated. Does this make sense??

[abstract goblet]

Either way, I don’t think the valley elders necessarily go around only doing Tom foolery. They’re elders for a reason, and even if they may goof around a lot, they were probably still very respected and responsible

[outer hare]

Trading seems to be a big thing in sky ( or so i suppose ) as you can see in the animation teaser from TGC that there were a kind of markets /stalls around a building that looks similar to the style of architecture that wasteland has, so if wasteland was the lower class of valley it could be that there were once trading routes between them.

[sharp lichen]

silly goofy guys (tasked with leading the biggest city in the world)

[abstract goblet]

Wasn’t wasteland turned into the state it is after the pollution from overcreating more darkstones or other power sources? Since krills became attracted to the light and the industries polluted the waters, leading to ruin. So they were probably a huge trading/resource area before everything

[keen shore]

The mental image of a trader having to go through valley and just sliding down the sliding race with absolute glee is killing me. Logically, I know they’d probably just use flying boats but this is infinitely funnier

[keen shore]

What if it’s like. They act normal when they’re on their own but as soon as you put the twins together they lose all their brain cells. As in basically me with any of my frindds

[sharp lichen]

Their rivalry for each other is debilitating (to their mental state) but without that, they’re just normal Elders

[outer hare]

I believe it could also be the explosion or slow degration ( forgive my spelling ) , but yes i think they probably were a big trading area- these screenshots from the animation teaser make me think so-

[keen shore]

Alternatively. They divided the city in half and only rule it so well because they’re constantly competing with the other twin on who can manage it better

[median topaz]

wish this was me

[keen shore]

The only thing that’s been bothering me about these screenshots recently is… I don’t know if that concept art is from Wasteland. The architectural style, the paint and the things painted, and the colored tents are a lot more reminiscent of isle+prairie instead

[frigid tinsel]

I don't believe pollution is the sole reason Wasteland is a wasteland, but it's definitely a major reason, perhaps one that was present while the kingdom was still "thriving." but it wasn't abandoned. we have spirit memories in both Wasteland and Forest navigating the terrain.

though in Wasteland we have a Refugee moving away from Triumph, implying there were more refugees going that direction. but why? what was there that was worth trekking through the Wasteland for, especially if krill existed during that time? and during what time period – before or after the Eden calamity? the Vault is a possibility as a safe haven since it is in that direction, but due to the clouds and wind walls, we don't know how far the Wasteland truly stretches.

Forest is also liable to be abandoned for, as you said, the darkness rain. Forest is also blow the clouds. perhaps Wasteland and Forest are closer together than it seems, hence why the Storm could make the rain there toxic. or rain if infused with darkness all over the kingdom. what, then, was the tipping point when this pollution became too much?

we also don't see a lot of domestic buildings in the world, but we know the ancestors lived there. they might still be covered by clouds. I wouldn't put off Forest being uninhabited too soon but tbh we don't have a lot to go off of and a long wait for any more clues.

[abstract goblet]

Oh these are really cool.
And @keen shore, typical sibling behavior
Imagine they take their rivalry too far sometimes so forest elder scolds them threatens them with her hammer from time to time

[outer hare]

The coloured tents in my eyes seem to be the colours of who i believe were traders - the enchantment crew. The style of the buildings in my eyes look slightly ( not completely ) like the battlefield in wasteland, but less fortified perhaps. @abstract goblet Thank you

[frigid tinsel]

location wise, that concept art does resemble Wasteland in an uncanny way. consider the huge temple in the back that is reminiscent of Dusk Elder's temple. also the temple in the front that's very reminiscent of the broken building in battlefield.

the point of contention is the terrain – the ground is very flat while contemporary battlefield is very hilly, sandy, and has that diamond platform in front of the Elder temple. these could all be later additions, especially if the Eden calamity or the war disrupted the ground and the pollution made the land sterile (killing grass, creating sand that could whip up into dust storms) by dumping polluted dark water. the platform could also be a later addition or just hidden behind the tents.

[median topaz]

aren't yall putting too much thought into this
dont take concept art as canon anyway

[frigid tinsel]

CAnt believe I get to use this against a human

[outer hare]

This is lorechat the place where overthinking becomes a good thing

[cunning shell]

Eh, that’s what we do in this channel. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions, but sometimes it’s fun to chase rabbit trails!

[sharp lichen]

BAHAHAHAHA

WELCOME TO LORECHAT KOKO

[abstract goblet]

We don’t have much to go off of anyways. Might as well make do with the things we DO have. Tgc, this is a plea for more lore

[sharp lichen]

We do hope the animated series comes with more lore-
Then again, it is really fun and interesting to make something out of nothing

[foggy lotus]

we scratch at the tiniest little thing that could be lore

[outer hare]

Every. Little. Screenshot. ✨

[keen shore]

I should have specified this earlier (exhaustion brain, sorry) but my headcanon? idea? on the Forest spirit memories at least is that they’re either discovering or rediscovering the realm for the first time. Hence why there are cairns in the loading dock area to help them navigate, and why most of the spirits from that area are called “pioneers” or “trailblazers” or “adventurers”. I lean towards Forest being rediscovered after it was abandoned, for the simple reason thst the first option implies that those petrified spirit husks just sat there untouched the entire time Forest was inhabited, which is really weird.

It might work the same way for wasteland spirits, where they’re trying to rediscover the realm after it was abandoned and maybe reach/help out the elder, or even the inhabitants of vault. Like they were sent that direction by the valley elders or they’re trying to find their old homes and retrieve what they can or something.

The issue with both these ideas, even though they work great in every other regard, is exactly what you said. What would the tipping point for each realm possibly be?? My first idea for Forest is that it was a lot worse when it was initially abandoned, and was only re-explored over time when things had started growing back.

However, it could be that all the expeditions into Forest/wasteland weren’t trying to rediscover it so that people could live there (because they’d still be uninhabitable), but to carefully go through them to reach and help the elders which is really sad :( maybe the same event that corrupted the darkstone in Eden is what made those two realms go from “polluted, but tolerable” to “impossible to survive in”

[calm jay]

the. the what

[median topaz]

i dunno this seems like the kind of thing that could easily break into arguments

[frigid tinsel]

this isn't like Zhao's or Yui's concept art that shows part of the development process of things that were very likely changed before reaching Live. this is art that hints about unreleased content that surely has a lot of lore stuff into it.

[median topaz]

i don't even know what you guys are talking about honestly sorry

[sharp lichen]

Don’t worry! On the outside, we do seem a little bit overwhelming

[frigid tinsel]

if you don't know what we're talking about, why are you trying to stop the conversation you're not involved in?

[keen shore]

I don’t mean this to be rude, but… then why are you here??

[outer hare]

I dont think we actually have arguements that often everybody has their opinions and shares them ^^ feel free to ask someone for the base lore and they'll be happy to explain-

[abstract goblet]

https://bit.ly/Sky_Animation

[median topaz]

also remember the pins

[median topaz]

i dunno i was looking at concept art

[frigid tinsel]

the pins say to respect other people's interpretations of the lore, which we are. we are musing. you're the one trying to stop us from interpreting things in the first place.

[calm jay]

i think it's mostly civil here. there can be differing opinions but i think people build off each other's ideas and if we do argue on something, we try to provide evidence why an idea would probably not work in canon. it's all just speculation and fun :)

[keen shore]

We are not arguing, just stating our different opinions on things. I should hope most of us here have enough self control and maturity to not break out into a fight over different opinions on where a piece of concept art is from

[outer hare]

Ok! Let us continue ^^ @keen shore Could you please tell me more about the forest theory you have? It seems interesting

[keen shore]

It’s just confusing and a little frustrating to have someone we’ve never met before pop in here and tell us we’re thinking too much into things and sound like we are on the verge of an argument. First one is half the point of lorechat (I’m joking, I don’t think we’re “thinking too much” on actual ingame stuff) and the second is just completely untrue

[median topaz]

yes that is true

[outer hare]

Some people might think that way, because we do sound a little intense sometimes. But thats just because they havent talked before here yet ^^.

[outer hare]

Are you interested in the lore? If not theres no point of you here ^^ because thats all we do here.

[keen shore]

? We don’t sound intense. I don’t see anger in any of these posts so far, I’m kind of confused. Still doesn’t explain coming in here and trying to stop a conversation based on that assumption though

[abstract goblet]

It’s like a uni English class discussion. You take bits of the book and toss around opinions about it for hours at a time

[frigid tinsel]

regarding the tipping point for Forest – there's a thought that the Eden calamity caused all the trees in Forest to petrify. if the Eden calamity was the tipping point, it may not just had been wood that petrified. perhaps other resources became scarce that forced the residents to leave or killed them off. but since that's an acute event, then people could come back fairly quickly to salvage or reestablish what they can, hence "trailblazers" and "adventurers."

[foggy lotus]

also occasionally sharing headcannons

[median topaz]

i was looking at the concept art

[outer hare]

and sometimes throwing around wooly manta artwork ^^ ( WOOLY MANTAS :D)

[cunning shell]

I’m like 98% here for wooly mantas ngl

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao's concept art is very interesting. here's a link his website: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1. I find the lorechat lads very competent in distinguishing what survived development and what ideas passed in Zhao's work may clear up confusion in the game and what stuff is now irrelevant.

[abstract goblet]

Could you explain the tree petrifaction? I know ancestors used to cut trees and use them (based off of the area between forest and valley) but I haven’t heard of this petrifaction part

[dapper pagoda]

The what

WHAT ANIMATED SERIES

[keen shore]

So basically, the loose gist of it is that Forest was abandoned at some point in time. A while later, an expedition of spirits return to forest and start exploring it, initially just trying to reach the temple, but settling there and making permanent homes after a while (like the treehouse), maybe to help the elder, but also maybe to escape the commotion of the big cities and try to scavenge whatever light they can. Maybe this was at a time the kingdom was starting to run out of resources and they needed to search for them in forest, who knows.

It’s not a super developed idea yet, but it has really neat implications, like: What event caused Forest’s pollution to get so bad everyone had to leave? What effects did this have on forest elder? And so on

[cunning shell]

Speaking of wooly mantas, anyone have any theories on the jellyfish-esque mantas in vault? Bc those are gorgeous but they don’t make sense to me compared to our fluffy luminescent uber friends

[keen shore]

[#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[abstract goblet]

#news message here’s the actual post about it ^^

[dapper pagoda]

the mantas and jellyfish reproduced??? idk it seems like the only logical answer, how does a manta. do that??? not to mention the giant weird lookin one on the second to last floor

[clear glacier]

crashes into lore chat
Hello my fellow lore enthusiastic peepols :]
what's the theory strung up for today

[outer hare]

Oh and a really..really long time ago.....everybody was talking about sky script and i had a screenshot that i couldnt find at that moment. Wrong timing but here ^^

[dapper pagoda]

anger crab

[frigid tinsel]

wood petrifies when the decomposition process is interrupted by cutting off oxygen, usually by being buried, and organic material is slowly replaced by inorganic minerals.

Sky biology is a trainwreck but an idea is that if the Eden calamity was an explosion that sent darkness throughout the entire world or most of it and the trees were light-infused, then it's possible the explosion rapidly or slowly petrified the trees in Forest due to the sudden and persistent onset of darkness.

[keen shore]

I like to imagine them as the results of what happens when you try to create mantas with purple light, or they’re entirely illusionary. Maybe they’re normal mantas that just got a coat of illusion paint on them and look weird now

[foggy lotus]

i personally think that they’re like projections you can interact with, maybe they used to be living mantas that were trained to do what they do

[keen shore]

vault service mantas :}

[median topaz]

thx

[cunning shell]

Yeah, I was wondering about them being the ancestor version of mantas like instead of rejoining the Light, they hung out to help the ancestors/skids in vault

[calm jay]

i always thought those mantas in vault were spirits of dead mantas or something (maybe on their way to the megabird?). there's a skeleton on one of the floors that a tiny manta floats around (i think - may be misremembering) and iirc in early light awaits, the skeleton was found in prairie w the manta call

[frigid tinsel]

they're sometimes referred to as "spirit mantas" or "spirit creatures" but we don't for sure if that is what spirit light creatures look like. their appearance differs from that of ancestor spirits. the thought is that those creatures are the spirits of the remains seen in the Vault made intentionally or unintentionally by the Vault scholars. their presence does correlation with the presence of the bones.

Abyss might have shown us one spirit manta since its appearance more closely resembles ancestor spirits (both blue), but that manta is much more powerful than ancestor spirits, though it is liable to petrification like ancestor spirits are.

[keen shore]

thank you for mentioning and remembering the abyss manta spirit <3

[livid nexus]

Does anyone have a good place to just get a rundown of all of the lore? Because i absolutely adore this game but am bad at picking up the context ingame but ive read through most of the wiki and just want to consume more about it

[outer hare]

Try reddit- people type out the entire lore, if you do some digging you could find it-

[cunning shell]

Part of what throws me about vault mantas is that they look just like jellies. Jellies don’t have brains, and vault mantas don’t have brains, yet they make sound

[frigid tinsel]

there's a lore moth doc floating around someone could link you if you want it

[calm jay]

here is the moth doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=drivesdk
here is a big lore theory vault: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit#heading=h.d4h04kd9pqqt

[frigid tinsel]

you don't gotta have brains to be sentient, living creatures. also jellyfish also make sounds in game (skykids and ancestors can even emulate a jellyfish call). you're probably thinking of the starry, airy appearance of both the jellyfish and Vault creatures.

[keen shore]

I’m kinda mixed on this theory, because it does make sense initially, but it also has some confusing implications. Are jellyfish also spirits because they lookalmost the same? What creature is the many legged beast on the wasteland floor a spirit of? Personally, I think these aren’t spirits, but it’s a struggle finding evidence for them as being much else

[outer hare]

I found one for you as well- ^^ https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/rc8rmh/sky_lore_i_spent_way_too_much_time_on_this/

[cunning shell]

Sentience is a higher level of intelligence, I thought? Are the creatures sentient and I never knew?

[keen shore]

Sentience often gets confused with sapience, which is what you described :-) sentience is just the ability to perceive and feel things

[bold robin]

Do you guys think that sky kids and ancsestors lived simultaniously when the ancsestors were still alive or do you think sky kids lived after ancsestors

[keen shore]

Yes and no. At least one skykid lived while they were still alive, the rest did not

[bold robin]

Ah alright, this question came up because i was wondering what the flying race was used for. Anscestors couldnt fly based on the spirit memories but then if they couldnt why did they build the flying race? My best guess is for manta races since in one of the spirit memories an anscestor was seen flying a manta.

[calm jay]

the vault mantas being spirits were always just something i always thought from the beginning, it didn't occur to me that they could potentially be alive until recently.
what you say about the jellyfish doesn't really make sense to me. in real life, many species of jellyfish are transparent - they don't have brains, bones, or hearts. this is reflected in the game. however, mantas in the real world cannot be transparent like jellyfish. mantas found throughout the realms, excluding vault, are opaque and solid while vault mantas are transparent. if they are alive, they're most likely not the same breed of manta found in the other realms - maybe a different species entirely.

[bold robin]

The vault isnt like other realms, the vault is a big closed space almost like a building, there's no sky, sunlight, the only lifeforms i think are seen in the vault are the mantas, sky kids, possibly the elder? So i think the vault mantas are a cousin of regular mantas, or they were regular mantas till they evolved to fit their environment.

[keen shore]

For an explanation — the cosmic? mantas in vault and the jellyfish look Identical in terms of the goo making up their bodies. Like, same color, same flakes in it, same opacity. If the manta one was a spirit, that would imply that the jellyfish one was too, not just because it’s transparent, but because of everything else too — does this makes sense?? I keep feeling like I’m not explaining stuff correctly tonight.

I do agree that the vault mantas are at the very least a different species because of what you mentioned, they just look too different not to be. My best guess is that someone tried to use the purple loght (which just manifests things into reality) to make a manta and it didn’t Go well

[frigid tinsel]

irl jellyfish do have a nervous system that makes them react to their environment, making them sentient.

[bold robin]

Do you guys think the giant bones in the second to last stage of the vault are possibly whale bones? (off topic but i just thought about it)

There are bones in the last section of forest, and guessing by the size of the bones, the shape snd how big whales are seen to be in sky, i can guess that those are whale bones. However, the bones in vault seem much bigger.

[calm jay]

i'm not saying jellyfish aren't sentient they're just weird little guys. there's actually a species of 'immortal' jellyfish in real life - the ocean is weird

[keen shore]

There are very few animals that ARENT sentient, fun fact! (I just learned this and thought it was neat). I didn’t actually know sentience expanded that far before today.

For non sentient animalistic light creatures in sky… maybe the sanctuary corals? I headcanon the light “fungi” as animal colonies similar to coral as well, but have no way of proving it

[calm jay]

what you say does make sense; there are too many similarities just to say it's a coincidence. (you explained it good dw :])
maybe the jellyfish and cosmic manta are related. maybe they evolved from a common ancestor.
your theory about purple light is very interesting. i still don't completely understand what the lights do but it's cool to think about some like, mad scientist infecting a manta and creating a weird new creature.

[frigid tinsel]

oh birds, is lorechat about to debate "what makes something living" or "what does it mean to be sentient," these late-night debates are rough yall /lh

[keen shore]

Both of those questions are somewhat easy to answer in the human world (ok… there’s some debate over the first, but considering we’re not like a group of biologists we can probably get awau with small inaccuracies) but. I do not want to touch either of those questions with a 10 foot pole in relation to the world of Sky

[calm jay]

tonight on lorechat: we discuss existence and consciousness and try not to have a crisis over sentience. this is a chat abt a mobile game and we're getting #deep LMAO

[sharp lichen]

There are 4 important facts:
There was an Elder of the Eye of Eden.
This Elder caused the downfall of the Sky world.
There is a material called power diamonds, which are batteries that can store light.
This Eden Elder cannot be saved.

[keen shore]

I wish I could explain what the lights do,.. but I don’t fully know yet either [I don’t think anyone does, we don’t get a lot of evidence :(] Alrhough. The purple light seems to manifest tangible stuff into reality (like the tents on the ark for example). There is no way a building full of scholars wouldn’t have gotten proximity to/usage of its powers and immediately gone wild

[keen shore]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I can tell the 3rd isn’t canon, just really common speculation? I can’t remember it being confirmed

Was there a specialized prison in the sky world for ancestors who absorbed the lights and immediately started abusing them? I feel like half of Vault would be in there… wait. What if vault IS the prison in question

[frigid tinsel]

"facts" in Sky are scarce

[calm jay]

oh i just don't really know what the lights do in general because i did the enchantment quests when i was a moth and didn't really. absorb the information.
if the lights grant enough power that may result in them being used for harmful means — do you reckon they could've been used in the downfall of eden? like maybe not cause it, but factored in? what if someone used all of the lights at once like the uh. infinity gauntlet or whatever it was i dont like marvel. or like a messed up version of the avatar

[sharp lichen]

You mean “the Eden Elder caused the downfall of the Sky world?” I mean, it is heavily implied, but not canon. Almost like the Chosen One.

[frigid tinsel]

the lights/elements/powers themselves are neutral, not inherently good or evil. it's what the user does with it that could be morally objectionable or sanctioned

[keen shore]

I don’t know if they were directly involved in the downfall, but this psot made me realize something. My current grasp on red light (it’s the ligh we’re given the LEAST info on, which is an accomplishment) is that it deletes things. Like the opposite of purple light. You could reasonably use it to jus. Delete people if you wanted??? Why is this allowed?

[sharp lichen]

Let’s just hope it falls into the right hands (spoiler alert it won’t)

[keen shore]

What if vault looms like that bc isle elder deleted the original copy,

[calm jay]

i think you just found the answer to your prison question. you mess around w power and you straight up get deleted

[frigid tinsel]

dunno where you got deletion from. red light is heavily associated with darkness, found in literal and figurative dark places. the only time we see it use is in Enchantment where it creates not removes the murals on the ark.

[keen shore]

Could the entire plot of Sky not be solved by just deleting the eden Diamond. Done

[frigid tinsel]

my thought with red light is that it may grant the user the ability to reverse the effects of darkness. if the murals were there before, the darkness present in Wasteland might've bleached the light of the murals away. red light could've brought the murals back.

[keen shore]

I don’t have the energy to explain super well right now but it comes from a few Places

1. purple light heavily influencing vault, possibly implies same is true for idle. Isle is incredibly empty ?
2. red light symbol used for smoke in village theater, may imply it is used to cover up things
3. just seeing it as the opposite of purple light and in essence doing what darkness does (removing/holding things) bc it’s so connected to darkness. Maybe the murals got released from this hold??

It’s really weird, bc with the murals, if I focus on something getting Created it just becomes purple light v2. But I’m not sure how to explain it with the deletion thing

OHHHH I THINK I MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETJIHNG. removing things and holding them in a frozen state (and often degrading them, although with the red light you might be able to control this) is essentially what darkness does, right? Darkness plants do it to light. It’s what happens to spirits, and petrified skykid statues. If red light removes things from the tangible realm and “holds” them, but you can control what things are removed and what things are released, it would explain the murals

Am I experiencing the Late Night Lack Of Thought Qualify Control syndrome or am I actually being smart. Who knows

[sharp lichen]

It is 10:44. SNEEP SNORP (but I’m not)

[keen shore]

Nooo it’s not (11:44) and also time isn’t real. If I wait until past midnight, it becomes early morning and all my tiredness disappears. That’s how it works right

[native shoal]

It’s not 1am so therefore not mandatory sneep snorp time

[inner cloud]

sneep snorp

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat either has big breakthroughs or goes insane late at night

[calm jay]

it's 11:47 pm here and my brain always becomes like 68% stronger and smarter after three am so ive got quite a while to go until i really start thinking

[native shoal]

The start of the gravity discussion happened at night

[calm jay]

gravity discussion?

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat tried to calculate the gravity of the Sky world. lasted three days. ended inconclusive

[pastel brook]

According to my statistics, the Sky kids who sleep at least 8 hours a day are more likely to be... you won't believe it, less sleepy, amazing, right?

[frigid tinsel]

lies, skybot, I sleep 9-12 hours a day and I'm still sleepy

[remote reef]

I'm more of a six-hour kind of person

[inner cloud]

68%?? WHY THAT NUMBER

[frigid tinsel]

so we can't say nice

[calm jay]

:)

[inner cloud]

oH

[sharp lichen]

It would’ve been successful but I pinged a random guy who hadn’t been in lorechat for years and he proceeded to rip apart my theory

[calm jay]

that discussion sounds. fun and also very complicated. i hate math but i would've liked to read that conversation

[sharp lichen]

@calm jay it starts here

[tranquil harbor]

Getting more sleep than you need is actually bad for you. It's like staying awake to the point you suddenly have energy again. You sleep so much you lack energy now

[frigid tinsel]

blame the fibromyalgia making it near impossible to get out of bed

[sharp lichen]

Also this

HAHAHA THIS AGED WELL

[calm jay]

ooo thanks i'm gonna read through

[eager eagle]

Hello I was reading about the red light, all the ideas seem pretty nice !!

And then i remember that at the end of vault there is red light floating up, always questioned why there is red light
Does that mean inside vault is pretty much some sort of projection and the red light was showing the projection breaking ?
After we finish the cinematic with vault elder, we end up in a broken place, with the big crystal broken, no light
If we go to the erased use of red light, could maybe mean the last part of vault memory collection was erased ! Idk if it was because of the storm or a choice (sorry if i bother in any way)

[undone trench]

Still didn't find the krill's speed ?

[sharp lichen]

No I did: it’s 29.42 mph

[keen shore]

I can confirm. This is how it works. (Source - sleeps 12-16 hours a day)

[calm jay]

getting more sleep than you need is bad for you but consider: bed comfy :-)
also i’m still reading this gravity discussion my god yall went all in. conducting actual experiments for the sake of video gaem physics

[keen shore]

In my defense, if I sleep less I am equally tired. It probably isn’t connected to the sleep fro me honestly

Has slept 20 hours straight before

[uncut fern]

Random thought: if sky kids can fly it means that they have to have hollow bones and a nervous system inside the cape to be able to manoeuvre it.

[frigid tinsel]

they prob don't have bones at all

[calm jay]

i dont like the idea that capes are like physically connected to skykids through veins that sounds horrifying

[keen shore]

Thanks! I hate vein cape

[frigid tinsel]

skykids prob don't have veins niether

[calm jay]

boneless skykid? maybe skykids are related to jellyfish

[uncut fern]

If a sky kid is boneless then it would have to squirm around to move.

[keen shore]

Not necessarily. Their skin seems to be the hard bit, everything within is hollow. Theh don’t need to work by our rules — they are fantastical beings

[uncut fern]

That’s true, they are probably projections of light.

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[eager eagle]

Maybe not with bones and vein but certainly connected with light power , when using cape we lose energy , when we gain light it's all the body and cape lighting

[sharp lichen]

This is only part 1 of 4.

[calm jay]

jesus

[kind tusk]

sorry for jumping into the convo here but alasdairs theory would also work when you get the crap beaten out of you in game because your light essentially just flies out of your body right

[keen shore]

yeas

[calm jay]

oh yeah that does make sense because when you lose your light all your features disappear

[kind tusk]

yeah

also happy easter for everyone who celebrates it in cst

[sharp lichen]

I am in CST for vacation but yes thank you happy Easter

[calm jay]

i’m in est but it’s easter here too. i dont celebrate it but happy easter to yall that do

[keen shore]

EST army rises… we will conquer all###

[kind tusk]

oh also i have another thing to thing about, i just finished the game for the first time and does anyone know what the white figure was that hugs you? like was it your winged light? because that doesn’t make sense to me

[uncut fern]

The white figure that hugs you is probably the light half of you.

[calm jay]

there’s also a theory that it’s the king i think

[frigid tinsel]

it could also be winged light

tl;dr – we don't know

[kind tusk]

hmm

[eager eagle]

It seem to be a winged light , not sure if it's us , the king or a simple winged light , but it seem to be like the other , sitting and waiting

[kind tusk]

if it was the king that implies that we merged with the king after our first sacrifice which is lowkey sick

[eager eagle]

It is a cool yes !

[frigid tinsel]

there's a thought that if that is the king, they're actually stuck in limbo and hugging them only gives us enough light to get out, leaving them behind

[inner cloud]

EXCUSE ME WHAT THE HUH

[hushed steeple]

So, I made a theory and it was too long for discord, so here it is on a doc that I have made available for everyone to read.

Its a theory about why some season guides ascend and others don't. The majority of it was made up of examples.

[inner cloud]

WOAH

wait woah, thats cool

i love that theory, but it would be hilarious if they just stayed for chores

like 'dang it jim, i gotta keep the potions restocked or these sky kids will be helpless'

[hushed steeple]

Sometimes, chores are required to maintain the stability of an already fallen kingdom./j

[inner cloud]

are your conches full of lore, because DANG

[eager eagle]

Ooooh this is nice !
Enchantment guide doing the shopping working :pWow:
I always thought seasonal spirits ascend finally after they did found memory back , last job done

Btw ! Belonging guide do ascend , i don't know about the season but they do ! hug us after the "meal" and go !

[inner cloud]

i love the hugs they give before leaving

[hushed steeple]

Shelicia helps my brain to think by whispering secrets into my ears at night while I slumber. They eventually reveal themselves in my consciousness and enter my thoughts.

[inner cloud]

i- does shelicia have a sibling? i needs some lore whispered to me xD

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, belonging guide doesn't have as strict a chore as some others so they get breaks./j

[hushed steeple]

No, Shelicia the queen conch of whom is Queen Conch, is too busy trying to overthrow governments for the allowance of conch consumption, to have siblings or relatives at all.

[eager eagle]

Belonging guide is a grandparent : doing work thing for you when they didn't have to /j

[inner cloud]

then i shall be happy to just hear your lore then :)

[hushed steeple]

Belonging guide keeps getting questioned by other guides asking why they stay when they "literally don't have to" and "there isn't even any point in staying." The belonging guide just makes eye contact with them, serves them a plate of food with the name plate of one of the regularly returning skids on it, and tells them to ask again.

[sharp lichen]

DO NOT WORRY AT ALL

[inner cloud]

NO IT WAS HILARIOUS, I CHOKED ON MY WATER

[eager eagle]

I love it
Belonging season was about being the family reunite , at the table , and now it's more reunite skykids together , having a break from the travel , less alone

[hushed steeple]

I'm about to make a theory, I just need to research something real quick as well as get some pictures.

[bold robin]

What did the Ancestors use capes for?? Are they just the sky version of ponchos? Why can skykids use it to fly?

[inner cloud]

i just thought fashion

[eager eagle]

There is a theory they are more clothes for ancestor !
Also a theory that ancestor and skykids are totally different :
Skykid don't need food , water , a home or sleep , compared to ancestor with these needs for example !

[bold robin]

Im assuming they need air, because you can only dive for a certain period of time

[calm jay]

🧍‍♂️

[bold robin]

ah yes spirit man

[hushed steeple]

Oops pressed the wrong button there.

[eager eagle]

I know skykids need light and air but that about it , i think

[bold robin]

That is confusing though, i understand that skykids do not need most of the things that normal living things need, and so i assumed sky kids are like machines with souls, they are made of clay and they use light like elecrticity, they need it to work properly and when it runs out they need to recharge but why do they need air if they are just clay?

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have the valley elder mural, I unfortunately can't download it off salem's mural doc.

[eager eagle]

Valley mural ? The one in vault cinematic ?

[rigid mural]

Who tagged me

[hushed steeple]

Lets think of sky kids like a fire. Fire requires oxygen to keep burning, they need fuel to burn in order to continue burning and to burn stronger, water can sometimes not be great and sometimes have no affect on flames. Basically, whatever a flame requires to continue burning, in some way shape or form is also required for a sky kid to keep alive.

[bold robin]

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

[calm jay]

i just finished reading back the gravity conversation for the most part. my god. i did not understand the math but there was so much effort put into it. i'm going to go to bed now its been two hours

[rigid mural]

They already have trouble controlling the direction in which they bounce around, imagine what happens when their vision is impeded in some way

[hushed steeple]

Ok so this may seem like a stretch, but don't think I'm insane yet.

Back flip champion and bowing medalist, the only two base game spirits with a base game mask that is darker in color and silver and has blue eyes. This makes them unique from the other base game spirits because their masks always have orange eyes, gold, and a nearly orange mask. These two spirits also have similarly built hair, just in different styles. Big and standing up, swooped back, and many different parts(look I'm doing my best to explain this here.)
I'm just going to get to the point, they look very similar to the valley elders in the mural, of whom we theorize and logically state that they are not the current valley elders. And they have masks that could fit in with the other elders. This leads me to believe that these two spirits from valley have some relation to the un-current valley elders. Perhaps they're the retired elders, reborn elders, or simply family.

It's getting late so I need to get off and start winding down.
BYYYEEEEE!!!

[eager eagle]

Ooooh !! They could have indeed some relation with the elders !

These two mask represent something unique and represent maybe the energy cristal thingy ( that the abyss was taking as treasure ) , so maybe precious mask
It could be them on the mural

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, these masks as well as the GW elder's look like the face of the fish !

[eager eagle]

Thinking of it , it is two champion from each race : skating and flying , i see this more as trophee maybe ! Symbol of they are the champion number 1 for now

[rigid mural]

Each also got spiky and swooshy hair lol

[eager eagle]

I love the name , spiky and swooshy
They got the style !

[rigid mural]

Spiky (Kakashi)
Swooshy (Dora)

Does that mean we could call medalist and champion hair "Sonic" and "Super-sayan" ?

[high dagger]

Idle 3am thought but I find it interesting that the diamond shapes in abyss masks look like the power diamonds (active and deactivated depending on the mask) and that their eyes all have a blue glow. I wonder if it means something but I'm too sleep deprived

[outer hare]

Perhaps leakage of power- like the power diamond juice in the mask has dripped?

[tranquil harbor]

Anyone notice that when the reset hits and the skids get light again from candles, they pray?

[high dagger]

I mean on Canoneer's mask the eyes look like they're flickering slightly. I wonder if the diamond is what powers the rebreather masks?

[high dagger]

I had not but that is adorable

[rigid mural]

They glow too :]

Interesting how the light motes here look like they come from the sky to your sky kid...

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if they're making the light they get from candles, and the daily cap is them running out of energy to do so.

And then maybe megabird or something bestows them energy when the day begins anew? is megabird feeding them breakfast?

[rigid mural]

The daily light mechanic wasn't here in the game's early days (I think it's actually on the newer side) so I'd consider it non-canon, but the idea of megabird serving the kids breakfast so they may continue seeking light is hilarious to me

[hushed steeple]

Megabird breakfast
It's hilarious but adorable

[tranquil harbor]

what did people do before the daily light thing?

[rigid mural]

Suffer, I'd wager.

[remote reef]

The previous light system was "get wax at a sorta slow rate every hour of every day"

[tranquil harbor]

That sounds kind of like a nightmare

[remote reef]

And also there was no social light and less wax to collect since some seasonal areas didn't exist yet

[rigid mural]

What season was it implemented in ?

[remote reef]

It was implemented on the 16th of March, 2021, a little more than a year ago. Unsure what season it is

[rigid mural]

2021 ???

That's the day after the Season of Dreams ended... astonishing how I kind of took it for granted considering it's so new.

[median stone]

Before there was not much, just some realm... Nowadays theres a lot of place we need to go so, surely its a nightmare for us to use old system

[clear fractal]

I know it's probably a general symbol now but after coming back from a small break I realized the favorite friends menu has the vague shape of the old Prince/King helmet concept art and it continues to mess with me to this day

[tranquil harbor]

In this case we really don't think it's a general symbol

[clear fractal]

It's a weird usage imo but at this point tgc could throw us any kind of reasoning no matter how vague

[tranquil harbor]

The friend constellation has always been connected to the king.

[clear fractal]

Really? I never saw it before this but honestly, android screens don't brighten up enough for me to see too much

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, it's the eden constellation

[clear fractal]

That makes sense but it's also kinda grim. I like it

[tranquil harbor]

It's not necessarily grim, depending on how you look at it.
It's possible that the eden constellation is our friend constellation to symbolize that the king is our friend/on our side.
Then there is the take that the spirits we save aren't actually special stars for those constellations, but rather, the elder constellations are also friendship constellations. Our kid is putting the spirits they befriend in certain realms there. Thus, with no spirits in eden, our real friends get that one

[clear fractal]

I do like those takes. The latter more so, tbh

[thorny zealot]

I don't really think the friend constellations have to do with anything canon.

Just gameplay features.

[inner cloud]

megabird yeets candles down to us

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a theory that skykids are a reincarnation of the king or the king was a skykid, hence the hype.
Also when lore evidence is so scarce, of course lorechat is gonna chew on hay.

[cunning shell]

The constellations honestly give me Narnia vibes. In that world, when stars are old, they come down to earth and retire, slowly deaging, before they rejoin the sky, but they’re intelligent humanoid beings the whole time. The constellations feel similar—friends that you’ve made are constantly cycling through the Light, and before they’re reborn, they probably could look like stars in the sky. Also I guess it depends on whether or not you think LP had even a shred of lore in it, cause he referred to the stars as friends, but I know lots of people don’t consider that to be canon lore

[rigid mural]

SPEAK THE TRUTH KING
@nimble ingot (tagging you because you might find that interesting) has a cool method to find theory ideas; they look at the kind of media that could inspire Sky, like kids books.

I found that Little Prince line to be very interesting too ! Especially given the context of both.
I wasn't aware of the Narnia thing but it makes sense too ! I love it so much

[nimble ingot]

Narnia. hmmm....
I know Alice in Wonderland, Nederland and even Liliput from Gulliver's tales have potential links to Sky.

I'll have a look, thank ❤

[tough coral]

I am once again here with (drumroll pleeeeease) Sniv's Daily Headcanons!
i think that sometimes, if a moth takes too long to wake up when they first fall down to the world, Megabird will enter their dreams to make sure that they're alright. She made them, after all, she has tk make sure that theyre alright...
so then this little mothlet, who hasnt woken up yet, who doesn't know that they exist or that the world exists? their first memory is a bright comforting light and a gentle voice asking "are you alright, my child?"

[tough coral]

i got lotsa headcanons where that came from my head is always full

HMMMM for exaaample... skykids actually get most of their light from the sun! They just don't use that to fly- sunlight mostly goes towards keeping them alive, so they use the light from fire or other light creatures as "extra" light for flying with!

[exotic arrow]

This would mean that putting a sky kid in a really dark place would drain their light since there's no sun. This might actually be how the fire trial works

[inner cloud]

The fire trial was the worst at the end, i had to get help

[inner cloud]

reminds me of modern renditions of icarus :0

[hushed steeple]

The fire trial made me lose all my patience Omg 😭 it was so hard and I did it all by myself

[edgy saffron]

Tell me about this game lore

[abstract goblet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[edgy saffron]

Thanks, but i still have any quiestion

Why eyes of eden and golden wasteland is a dark and scary place?

[abstract goblet]

Well there's a lot of theories for that, but basically the Eden Elder destroyed Eden and that in turn spread into the other realms. Wasteland might have been turned into the wasteland it is because of war or pollution

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland is like that probably due to industrial pollution, war, and lower elevation making it more susceptible to the darkness of the Storm.
Eden is like that probably due to some sort of calamity involving that huge corrupted red diamond up there.

[keen shore]

The grass&flowers under the water in treasure reef reminds me a Lot of the wind paths and switch trailer isle, as well as the ark after you give green light… I wonder if it’s a hint as to how the area looked before it turned into a desert

[frigid tinsel]

Preservation by drowning

[keen shore]

Basically Yeaj. It would be really neat because it implies the flooding and the desertification are two separate events (bc the first wojld habe had to happen before the second)

[frigid tinsel]

Granted the art here and Treasure Reef just look like aquatic vegetation that overcame sunken ruins overtime, not that they were always there

[keen shore]

Oh yeah! I’m talking about what treasure reef looks like now as well. It looks so similar to the places I mentioned that it’s hard to believe it’s coincidental + just aquatic vegetation. I do have to wonder what it says about Sky grass that it can survive underwater though

I had a really interesting maybe epiphany last night and I wanted to share it here before I forget. What if the “darkstone crystals” we see around are literally just tinted glass?? Like the blue stone that gets mined out of the ground gets combined with glass somehow to tint it and that’s what happens.

It would explain why we don’t see any glass anywhere, even broken shards. Plus considering how glass refracts light, it makes sense that it’d be super useful in this universe

[tranquil harbor]

We don't have a concrete reason.
One theory is that it's caused by the Forest Elder's own tears/sadness

[digital linden]

Hello
I have come from genchat with a question
Do the Elder Spirits have names?

[uncut fern]

They have nicknames as far as I’ve seen.

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (and king/prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 
Isle – Daleth (ד) 
Prairie – Ayin (ע) 
Forest – Teth (ט) 
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh) 
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 
Vault – Lamed (ל) 
Prince – Alef (א) 
King – Resh (ר) 

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent: 
Isle – Dawn 
Prairie – Day or Daylight 
Forest – Rain 
Valley – Sunset 
Wasteland – Dusk 
Vault – Night

[sharp lichen]

That’s lorechat!

[uncut fern]

Yes! We’re dark.

[edgy saffron]

Thank you, yhat kinda cool theories

[rigid mural]

I think the Performance Questgiver really does like looking at us play onstage. Not over them cheering for us as we play thee first quest...

[edgy saffron]

Are they picture gonna be new realm?

[rigid mural]

Treasure reef ! Area introduced earlier this year.

[rocky brook]

My lord this chat is dark

[rigid mural]

Managed to get a different angle on the Hermit Valley Bridge, diamond pattern & possible mechanism ?

[forest abyss]

Does anyone know or have any good theories what the diamond is at the end near Eden? I honestly am intrigued why the camera looks up at it ||when our Sky kid loses their last wing.||

[rocky brook]

So wait-

There's a theory that the spirit from treasure reef that gets lost in the depths didn't make it
What about other seasons? How could they have died? I'm curious about the performance spirits, what if it was a wandering circus but they lost money or something?

[sharp lichen]

I always thought it was a gigantic diamond that was a supposed to be used for good, but it failed, causing the Eden Storm

[forest abyss]

Mmm... still wondering what it means and represents.

[frigid tinsel]

The kingdom’s hubris for straying from the Light

[uncut pond]

In the elder cutscenes our skid gets it's flame put into a diamond so I like to think that has some funny implications regarding the king

King reached level 25 and evolved into Big Diamond

[rocky brook]

If you think about it, there's no end to the corruption because you can't actually end it, you die before you make it to the eye(diamond) which you can't even reach because of the wind barrier

[forest abyss]

Hmm... so the source of the darkness is that "Eye" of Eden, then?

[uncut pond]

Nobody knows but it's what the game seems to imply

[forest abyss]

Yeah, I honestly feel like that's what our end goal is, but we ||die|| and are doomed to repeat the cycle again and again.

[uncut pond]

Eh, I don't think so, I believe the game constantly focuses on the floating castle in the distance during the entire game only to deceive us into believing that's our final objective only to make the pre-orbit flight a more powerful and impacting moment when we see that giant castle in front of us... Only to fly past it like it's not important

I believe neither the diamond or the Eden temple were our objective, it's always been ascending with the spirits and rebirthing

This makes all the more sense in the beta/Light Awaits when there was no Winged Light and it was the ancestors/spirits/expressions that we had to save instead, taking them with us through Eden

[forest abyss]

Man, so what's the point in anything if we're aware we're just going to save some of our kind and ascend with the spirits that also used to be alive? The game does mention at the start of Eden's first door that the "Light" awaits. Hence the name of Sky's first name. But why the need to die to reach that place? Kinda sad if you ask me.

[uncut pond]

You can actually die anywhere and skip the whole Eden trip

You just won't be able to save the WL and get Ascended Candles

[hushed steeple]

Maybe the need to die represents that you’ve won?

[forest abyss]

Dying feels like a loss, though.

[rapid arrow]

Dying doesn’t always mean loss though. The constant theme in Sky is rebirth, and the cycle of life. Each time we die we gain a little more appreciation for the game (and then sets in the dread that you have to collect wings again) Sky is a bittersweet game, somethings are sad somethings are happy.

[cunning seal]

Lore-wise, would the permanent spirits that we first join the game are considered the sort of start for our sky kid’s journey, right?

[keen shore]

Just so you’re aware, you don’t have to censor anything in this chat, not even stuff about Eden or the Office. The only things that are off limits are beta spoilers, which we’re not allowed to talk about even behind a censor.

Spoilering stuff while you’re typing gets tedious fast so thought I’d let you know

[keen shore]

I’m kinda mixed on this idea. I think our goal is to stop the corruption and help everyone in Eden, but due to some, currently unknown, reason, we aren’t able to get to the diamond yet and stop the corruption at its source. Since we’re not able to do that, that necessarily means we’ll keep dying there, and the cycle continues. After all, we could die anywhere if we wanted. Why does the game make us pick Eden? If our goal is just to die and ascend, then why do we have to help other skykids in PNR first?

My guess is that each Eden attempt is an attempt to help, we just end up failing each time. I’m hoping there’s some point in the game where we actually succeed in destroying the Diamond

[rapid arrow]

Hi! Ok so I have one theory on this

So the giant diamond was used to power a lot of the kingdom, mostly pipes and also served as a monument to the success of the kingdom. Although often times success requires sacrifice. The diamond required the most light and then king who had the most light and wanting his kingdom to thrive. Sacrificed his own light. Then once all the light had been taken there diamond exploded, or imploded (haven’t figured out which own yet)

The light that the diamond had absorbed scattered throughout the realms of the kingdom creating the WL we collect now. Every time we collect WL we slowly gain the likeness of the king, we’re not becoming the king but we’re like him in a way. But when we sacrifice our light to the statue in storm lock and our camera focuses on the diamond. It’s like a reminder why we’re here

[forest abyss]

Hmm, interesting.

[keen shore]

I want to get a closer look at the Diamond to make better theories, but the windwalls won’t let me >:(

[rapid arrow]

I feel like the diamond is spinning rapidly

[sly lake]

I think we are helping, though the power of each returned light to the skies through countless Eden trips, more areas previously shrouded in clouds or darkness are being uncovered in Sky.

Or I should say, that is my theory on how new seasonal areas are added.

[keen shore]

I assumed it was just because of its farawayness and the smog distorting it that it seemed to flicker. I always hear the wubbawubbawubba sound effect in my head when I look at it,

[frigid tinsel]

skykids just being present in the world as well as soaring through the Storm may be weakening the Storm faster than it would on its own. granted, this is a very slow effect, but it's something.

[sly lake]

The diamond is definitely moving. Back in Gratitude and Lightseekers, there was a bug where you could turn off the red rock rain in Eden. People got some great up close shots and videos of the crystal due to that, since there was no debris in the air and people could keep their light.

The diamond looks like shakes and quivers in place more than spins. Almost like it is super-charged, electrified, and overloaded with energy. I think it is the wind that is spinning around the diamond at i's vortex.
Which...could definitely explain it's fractured nature and the explosion's desolation across the kingdom.

[keen shore]

That diamond is almsot definitely overcharged. You know that massive light beam that sends us straight up to orbit? The diamond sits right on top of it, presumably taking its energy. That can’t be a good thing,!

There’s a pair of proph murals that showcase this hold on

[sly lake]

https://youtu.be/LvKi4QwhqkA?t=285 Here's a video of the diamond without any of the red rock or black rock debris! I forgot about this glitch.

I love the noise that the diamond gives off. An electrified humming.

[keen shore]

First mural: light beam going through Eden’s peak into the sky.
Second mural: light beam replaced by diamond, Eden castle on top

[sly lake]

Oh the diamond inside the mountain? Good eye! I thought that was the Vault elevator diamond we see at Vault's summit but perhaps that is the Eden diamond. Or the Vault's diamond is the prototype for the Eden diamond?

It looks like the figure also potentially absorbed the light stream, since we can see them ascending to the mountaintop source in the first image. You're definitely right though it appears: the light stream existed before the Eden diamond.

Just like how real like archeologists do, Sky archeology also means we stare at murals and try to understand them.

[keen shore]

I thought it was the elevator diamond at first too! But then I took a closer look at its location, and I’m pretty sure it is the Eden diamond. It’s sandwiched in between the elder statues (as in, the ones on the top floor of vault) and the castle, which is the Eden diamond’s location.

My assumption (although could be wrong here, it’s just a gut feeling) is that, if it represented the elevator diamond, it would be under the statues instead — or it’s so unimportant that it would be considered part of the elevator and not worth showing separately.

If this IS the Eden diamond, it’s really interesting because its placement implies it’s underground as well as vault, which still makes sense ingame considering the entire peak of Eden was blown off and floats in the air.

That idea about its location leads to even More interesting implications. Including: if that diamond was underground, was it technically part of vault? Was pnr once the top floor of vault, which we can’t access via elevator due to the space below it being heavily demolished by the storm?

[sly lake]

We also have word that Vault enters a dream-state, so it's possible that the Vault elevator diamond and the Summit doesn't exist..or perhaps, used to exist but instead of being Vault summit it was in actuality Eden's Summit. A memory of what the throne or council room used to be at the height of the kingdom. Since we do see the Vault Summit statues broken on the path up to orbit.
So the elevator diamond shown at Vault Summit and the eden diamond could be one and the same?

This is a really intriguing line of thinking you've got!

[keen shore]

I personally doubt this, just because of their differences in size and color (and just physical resemblances in general). I also get the feeling that if the ancestors put a giant mega diamond right on top of the kingdom’s strongest source of light, they wouldn’t just use it for an elevator, yknow?

The elevator diamond could have used the light beam/mega diamond as a source of power though, it just wouldn’t be synonymous with the big guy.

[sly lake]

Very true. I think there is definitely a Vault elevator diamond, though I do wonder if it's got some connections with the eden diamond. It is the biggest diamond we've seen in all the realms, at least until we meet Eden's. Perhaps it was just a prototype before the actual Eden diamond was constructed on top of that light beam.

Do you think the light beam used to be good?

I think it used to be good-and a portion of it still is. But corruption is still clogging up a portion of it which is why all of its harmful effects is localized around it? Like a pipe filled with algae and moss and only a small trickle of the original water flow can get through. Clean that out and the water comes rushing forth.

But also all that pent up energy has to go somewhere, so there's a huge wind vortex surrounding the massive structure, and shards of this corrupted crystal are being spewed out constantly.

[keen shore]

I think there are actually larger diamonds before then — I can’t remember anything specific off the top of my head right now, but a giant diamond udner citadel is implied by concept art. I swear there’s another I just can’t remember it right now!!

And yeah, I think the light beam used to be/is currently Good, it’s just so much light power fhaf powering a diamond with it is obviously a bad idea. ESPECIALLY sticking a corrupted diamond underneath it, considering it’s whats supposed to send you (and presumably other spirits, if the elders didnt already get to them) up to orbit. There’s no way that ends well!

[abstract goblet]

Throwing this out there: I do think the Eden diamond was originally inside the mountain, even existing before the mountain. It reminds me a lot of the All Seeing Eye and Egyptian pyramids in general. The pyramids are thought to be religious purposes for the Sun (Light, in our case most likely), and the peak of the pyramids correlate to enlightenment (as seen in the mural) and even the afterlife in where Ka (our soul, in basic essence, so like the light within us goes into orbit) starts. Maybe the explosion of the mountain caused the light to be corrupted and that's what caused everything. So I think it's different from the Vault diamond and existed before everything began. It was inherently good and revered until the explosion

[keen shore]

…What if the diamond didnt get corrupted because of darkness, but because of too much light? Like a black hole?

[sly lake]

I could see that.

[rapid arrow]

I’ve had that theory for a while! It would make sense for when our camera tilt when we lose our last light

[sly lake]

Like take lithium batteries. One of the reasons why they explode is because they get overcharged, correct?

"In a lithium-ion battery, overcharging can create unstable conditions inside the battery, increase pressure, and cause thermal runaway. "

On a giant scale, and with added fantasy for good measure, it could maybe create the scene for our Eden.

[keen shore]

If we gathered enough WL… would we become a black hole too?

[hushed steeple]

And this concept art shows that they eventually powered up the diamond, or something of the sorts, which caused part of the Eden castle to break off and begin floating. And they weren't concerned because nothing bad had seemed to be happening at the time.

[sly lake]

Thanks Skybot for deleting my message. I hope this one goes through.

"The excess energy leads to heat generation. “In the worst case, this can lead to a so-called ‘thermal runaway’. This means that the temperature in the cell continues to rise and chemical reactions start from it, which proceed exponentially. These reactions can no longer be stopped,” explains Dr. Jurgen Heydecke. In the case of lithium-batteries, this can lead to the cell opening and possibly burning down. “With lithium-polymer batteries, it should also be noted that gas formation can occur in the cell, which leads to the severe swelling of the cell.” The next step would also be thermal runaway and, thus, burnout.”"

Swelling could be another reason for the Eden diamonds massive size, though I'm sure it was fairly big to begin with.

I wonder if this means Eden is actually an extremely hot level? The red rocks are only red because they're red hot and burning to the touch? We do normally only see diamonds in a cool blue so, perhaps.

[keen shore]

Eden’s summit coming off just as a result of the diamond being there, not of its explosion, makes a little sense. We see in valley’s citadel and parts of vault thst darkstone, even when it’s not cut into the octahedron, has inherent gravity decreasing properties. It’s set into the sides of memory lanterns to make them float. It makes sense that it would make the top of the mountain break off and float, but I wonder why that’s not in the prophecy mural?

[sly lake]

Sky murals tend to simplify and not include things that aren't essential. Perhaps since floating buildings with diamonds was a common feature in the Sky world, the ancestors saw no need to include it in the mural.

[hushed steeple]

This brings about the question. How much heat can a sky kid withstand before melting.

Also, this might mean that naturally occuring floating islands might have the power diamond minerals inside them.
Referring to the floating.

[keen shore]

Would heat make a skykid stronger, or would it only count if that heat is attached to light (since it usually is?) I don’t think heat would kill them, unless you threw them into the sun or something

[sly lake]

The lore doc mentions ambient light also perhaps being a reason. Like in Sanctuary, that place is a light creature hub. Same with the Birds Nest and Wind Paths.

[keen shore]

Ok. Now I’m curious. What WOULD happen if you just threw a skykid into the sun? Light and heat usually strengthens them, but there’s no way they can survive THAT, right? Would they just become infinitely powerful

[sly lake]

Oh wait, I see you mentioned minerals. I apologize, I read it incorrectly. I thought you were saying that ancestors buried power diamonds in the islands.

[cunning shell]

I vote for infinitely powerful

[frigid tinsel]

Eating the sun is usually unadvised

[keen shore]

Actual answer is that space would probably kill them before they got to the sun. But let’s say that isn’t an option and that we can just fling them straight into there without worrying about the hazards of space first? What happens then

[sly lake]

Extremely fast recharging.

I think heat and flame are natural to skykids, so it's not the heat of Eden which is damaging them. Instead it's the corrupted poisoned ooze and the corrupted diamond shards?

[keen shore]

What if the corruption is hot, but it feels cold to them? I know it’s a weird idea, but it’s like the opposite of what happens when you stick your hand into something really cold and it burns. There’d be this flash of searing heat and then numbing cold

[hushed steeple]

Ancestor: "Lets bury these power diamonds here for funzies and see what happens."
Island frogging floats
Ancestor: I can become a land lord and receive gender currency with this."

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids need light to function. They die in Eden because the darkness sucks out their light and they’re giving away their light to revive dead skykids.

I actually think darkness would feel cold because it is deprived of light and taking light. Being afflicted by darkness would be like putting an ice cube on your skin and not letting go.

[keen shore]

Yeah, it would feel cold, because it’s sapping your light - but if you stuck a thermometer into the Eden diamonds, they’d be incredibly hot. If that makes sense

[hushed steeple]

And this visualization of darkness gives of the feeling of resentment or hatred.

[calm jay]

aauauhg i had a whole thing to say but forgot i'm so tired. whatre we talking about 2night lorechat

[hushed steeple]

But what if the red "rocks" aren't actually rocks, and instead pieces off of the corrupted diamond. And what if the diamond isn't red because its hot, but red because of a more similar functionality to when krill eyes become red. What if the diamond malfunctioned due to the darkness sensing the excessive amounts of stationary light there and fed off it, in turn corrupting it turning it into a vortex or black hole for light.

[hushed steeple]

Its 6:20 pm all over the world./j

[calm jay]

its 7:20 pm but i already want to go to sleep for the night but first i wanted to check in here and see whats up :-)

[hushed steeple]

Eden power diamond stuffs

[keen shore]

Talking about the part of Eden where you die possibly beig underground at some point/maybe connected to vault? And general theorizing about the diamond there

[calm jay]

oh sick.

[keen shore]

Placing a giant diamond directly underneath the biggest source of light in the world is 100% a vault elder thing to do, right? Like they would totally do this. It makes sense

[hushed steeple]

What would happen if we sent a cricket to eden, would the hidden Eden jumping spiders sense it and try to eat it?

[sharp lichen]

The WHAT

[calm jay]

what if it was like. a naturally occurring ore deep in the mountain but someone used something that caused it to react negatively and erupt like a volcano, spewing out darkness

[calm jay]

are you suggesting we send an invasive species to eden

[hushed steeple]

That is close to what we've been saying.

We've said that the diamond was already in the mountain, was discovered during the kings reign of light, powered up, lifted the Eden castle top portion, later got corrupted, and thus the darkness event began.

[hushed steeple]

Only one specimen, can't reproduce, will probably get eaten because Eden jumping spiders are also in vault of which crickets come from.

[uncut pond]

OH I never noticed this, can't believe I missed such an important detail

Maybe this sort of fits into the theory of the King himself deciding to put that diamond there in order to harness the power of that beam for something

There seems to be a reoccurring motif/theme in Sky about ancestors and most specially Elders being earthly being incapable of natural flight, and then there's the theory of Darkstone being used for storing spells, so maybe the King was trying to gain the ability of Flight which also fits in with the theory of we being fragments of the King which also-

No wait I think I'm reading too much into things

[sharp lichen]

You are not reading too much into things. I think this was a pervious theory, but I’m not sure who made it

[uncut pond]

Yeah true

[sharp lichen]

Lorechat is entirely looking at nothing and using it to create something

[hushed steeple]

This is why we transcend fnaf theorists./j

[uncut pond]

I just remembered there was also a theory of King being a "false prophet" who tries to rival Megabird itself by taking the power of the beam for himself and ruling the ancestors with that power

But idk that one doesn't convince me

[sharp lichen]

FNAF lore is way too complicated, Sky lore is way too barebones

[keen shore]

Horrible idea: the catapult in wasteland was an early attempt at this

[uncut pond]

LMAO YES

WE MUST COERCE TGC INTO MAKING THIS CANON IT'S JUST TOO GOOD

[hushed steeple]

Yes, fnaf's lore is mixed around and spread across everything, like a giant tangle in a string, the only way for fnaf to be saved is by cutting the string apart and rebooting entirely.

Now no more about fnaf, only sky.

[keen shore]

But in all seriousness. Flight IS important and it’s the main way we get around; the ancestors would’ve used darkstone boats for this. I wonder how you would give everyone flight via diamond though… like how would it work?

[uncut pond]

Well, for that we would need to know how spells in general work

And we don't

[hushed steeple]

I'm going to interpret that last bit as inserting.diamonds into the ancestor bodies. The way that'd work is surgery, the outcome is a bunch of ancestors floating around uncontrollably as though it were space.

[uncut pond]

Imagine if instead they just ascended upwards like the Milkman scene of Psychonauts

[keen shore]

Some of them do have convenient diamond shaped holes in their masks…. I’m gonna stick a diamond in prophecy guide’s forehead and see what happens.

[hushed steeple]

Though if the diamonds were tampered with a bit before, like connecting it to the nerves or something, then controlled flight could be possible, just nothing like the way sky kids fly.

[keen shore]

What would happen if you put darkstone inside a skykid ? Like jsut the normal kind, not the corrupted kind. It would fill with their light but not consistently drain them

They have diamond shaped holes straight in their heads AND in their chests. Practically begging for me to stick crystals in there and see what happens

[hushed steeple]

It'd be like feeling unmotivated, emotionally drained, and flat out exhausted constantly despite taking good care of yourself and having been taking breaks regularly.

[keen shore]

Oh so just having a chronic illness. Makes sense

[hushed steeple]

Bet you can guess how I know what that feels.

ADHDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!/j

P.s. Don't use ADHD as an excuse. Be sure that you have actually tried before stating that you can't work anymore. I don't know how helpful this is, it's just what my doctor(trained in things like ADHD of course) has told me.

[frigid tinsel]

fibro checking in

[uncut pond]

I think they would become like some sort of shadow skid plus what Esther said

If any of you played the game RiME (it's really good I recommend it to everyone here), basically what happens to the protagonist in that game

[keen shore]

I was thinking more along the lines of physical chronic illness, though I can see ADHD fitting too. I wonder if skykids ever accidentally get corruption flakes embedded inside their shells when they go to Eden, forest, or wasteland and something similar happens to them

[hushed steeple]

I bet it would feel more like touching fiber glass with your bare hands. I've been told its very itchy.
Referring to the flakes.

Tomorrow is days of Esther I believe./j

[keen shore]

I keep forgetting to talk about this picture so I’m going to post it quickly before it happens again. Whenever you relive a memory fragment from laidback pioneer’s memoru, a flower appears in that location and grows. Any thoughts/ideas as to why? I know similar flowers are in confetti cousins memoru but iirc they’re picking them instead of making them grow

My guess is that in the memoru, pioneer is going around and using light to make these flowers grow, like what happened with the days of bloom tree. I’m just scratching my head as to why

[hushed steeple]

This particular instance of the flower is tricky because the flower isn't just in the memory, but also grows as a physical flower, but then disappears after the memory is over.

[frigid tinsel]

worth noting that the flowers are always under a ridge, sheltered from the rain

[rigid mural]

Maybe these flowers are like the ones in the 8p and LP areas where they are associated with light since they recharge your cape ?

[keen shore]

I mention a lightseeker and suddenly you come out of the woodwork and it’s the first time I see you all day… should’ve expected this /j

[calm jay]

maybe the flowers grew before the rain turned acidic, and pioneer's memories are when they first arrived and the plants were still growing. or pioneer planted them under the ridges and when they died, there was no one around to take care of the flowers anymore and they perished too

[frigid tinsel]

I remember someone suggesting way back that if darkness flakes got inside skykids, skykids could feel ill and would need to rest to recover. personally I think they could have flu symptoms (nausea, coughing, feeling stuffy, fatigue) that could range from mild to severe depending on how much darkness got inside them. but darkness flakes are just flakes. they're the first to pop off darkness plants when melting them, so I don't think they would last long enough inside a skykid that's brimming with light to do anything lasting harm.

[rigid mural]

Love you

[keen shore]

This Does make sense as an explanation, though. Like them helping flowers to grow so that they have little recharge spots during a rainy day, it’s a really cute idea.

Now I’m imagining the lightseekers gardening

[keen shore]

These symptoms make a lot sense because most of them have a focus on getting the darkness out of the body somehow (like blowing their nose, throwing up and so on)! It’s like… an evil version of pollen allergies

[frigid tinsel]

as for why, consider if the lightseekers lived post-Eden calamity, then there's a lot of flora & fauna that was eliminated. all the trees in Forest petrified whether due to the acute affects of the calamity itself or the darkness-infused rain. many species of light creatures prob went extinct. would a lightseeker not take it up themself to try to restore some the light that was lost in this darkness apocalypse?

[rigid mural]

Maybe they sowed the seeds so things grow back on the ruins. Isn't that what days of Bloom celebrates after all ?

[keen shore]

Okay that’s a really cute idea… them trying to restore endangered species/plants 💛 it’s my headcanon as to why they’re helping us with the bloom tree, because that species of tree became critically endangered during and post apocalypse due to most of its kind petrifiyign

[frigid tinsel]

it would also explain why they cultivate light from the quest saplings and perhaps showing skykids how to care for them. the only saplings we see are the 6 scattered through the realms. they're a critically endangered species as well.

[rigid mural]

5, since isle has no daily quests. TGC, let piggyback have a tree !

[hushed steeple]

Those flowers face downwards more and don't appear to grow as big, they may also be associated with the purple light. And these flowers are big and face straight up, and are completely white and Don't give off any light. And they never close unlike the tlp ones. These are definitely something differemt. I feel they may be related to the confetti cousin's flower(s).

[frigid tinsel]

guess I'm going on a flower excursion

[hushed steeple]

They have an umbrella, and lightseekers were definitely around during the rain.

[calm jay]

ooguh

[keen shore]

They can be different species of flower and still all be light flowers and work really similar, if that makes sense. I really want light sunflowers now…

[rigid mural]

The flowers are from memories, doubt you can interact with them like the TLP and 8p ones since the latters aren't memories

[frigid tinsel]

sure, they were around during the rain, but we don't know whether the rain was toxic when the events depicted in the memories take place. we just see that the only flowers that survived were the ones sheltered from the rain.

[hushed steeple]

True, they just aren't the tlp flowers is all I'm trying to say.

Now that offers up another question, are the pioneers flowers dead?

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps they were in a stasis, hibernating during the bad conditions, and reactivated by the light of the spirit memories or skykids

[keen shore]

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that pioneer was most likely around when the rain was toxic. Not only do they carry around an umbrella, they also hide under ridges as much as they can for extra protection, and make sure to plant the light flowers in places they would be protected from the rain, which wouldn’t be necessary if the rain was unpolluted.

I wonder if that means forest (and its elder) was in a similar state when they were around as it is now… which is depressing. Maybe they’ve never seen how it looked before the corruption/pollution either and are discovering it along with us as we slowly clear the darkness away

[hushed steeple]

Pioneer's flowers are a lot more physical than a memory, they aren't translucent blue and wavy, something I feel TGC wouldn't forget to apply to an object that resides solely in a memory. Since they disappear after finishing the memory, it leaves me wondering if they grow due to pioneer's presence but quickly die quckly due to the toxicity of the rain, something they aren't used to.

[floral python]

why is eden like that

[rigid mural]

Yeah, that's what I am thinking about too ! I think they even wait to be lit up sheltered by a tree.

[hushed steeple]

Its all the darkness' fault.

[keen shore]

Pioneers flowers acrually do look they’re part of a memory! Objects in memories (like the levitating adepts lantern) usually look like that, as in pure white/blue and semi transparent, not necessarily wavy.

[sharp lichen]

Big diamond thing caused darkness to spew out and corrupt everything. Sorry for the giant lore paragraphs

[floral python]

So what if we remove that big diamond what will happen

[hushed steeple]

They aren't transparent though. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm going to go take a second look.

[frigid tinsel]

re: my idea about the flowers hibernating — the TLP flowers look very similar to pioneer’s flower. They also only bloom when a skykid approaches.

[sharp lichen]

It’s likely that it would look similar, but with a bit less krills and darkness

[keen shore]

Wonder if the lightseekers habe ever met forest elder, or if the elderswere Like that during their life too

[floral python]

The darkness decreased a little

[rigid mural]

Depends on how long the end went on ! Could have been something ancestors saw coming for a while but suddenly unraveled over a few weeks (and thus a spirit could have seen how things were before), or maybe it's as you imply and it was drawn out over a much longer period of time.

[floral python]

Wait so where do the spirits go after they die

[frigid tinsel]

if they can't ascend, darkness in the world petrify them. it's our job – the skykids – to revive the spirits and escort them to Elder temples so the Elders can ascend them to the Light.

[rigid mural]

They're already dead I think

[hushed steeple]

Oh, this is just something some flowers do, they close when its night and open when its day, since its constantly night there, they're always closed, but when we add a sky kid, they open because its as close to the sun as they can possibly get.

[floral python]

Are elders still alive

[frigid tinsel]

very likely but debatable.
they seem trapped in their pocket dimensions and only able to leave to go to Orbit/the Light.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe, maybe not, they could be in a pocket dimension, but they could also just be blatantly dead.

[floral python]

So they can't go to eden

[frigid tinsel]

in the state Eden is in, why would they want to?

[floral python]

Idk visit the eden elder?

[frigid tinsel]

Eden Elder is not around to be saved according to the devs

[floral python]

Wait who is the eden elder actually, I never seen them

[hushed steeple]

The king? Corrupted, no where to be seen, possibly trapped in an inescapable limbo the elders can't reach, probably on bad terms after the darkness event.

[keen shore]

Something about the lgithseekers trying to reverse the worlds corruption and failing long before we came punches me in the gut Every time :(

[frigid tinsel]

snickers in Abyss fic

[floral python]

Good point

[calm jay]

they are most likely the king. if you've seen those big statues in wasteland, they are statues of the king

[rigid mural]

A friend of mine said something that absolutely destroyed me, along the lines of "sorry, I'm so sorry, we were too late" because we were talking about how similar lightseekers are to sky kids, job-wise

[floral python]

I never seen it only the statues that give u ascended candles

[calm jay]

these statues. they resemble the king (sorry i'm not explaining this well i'm. super exhausted lmao)

[floral python]

OHHH

[high dagger]

Ok so this terrified me the other day but has anyone noticed that as the spirits at their graves disapear when you walk away they reach out towards you? It's seems almost desperate and it scared me when I saw it out of the corner of my screen xD

[frigid tinsel]

there's this piece of Tom Zhao's concept art that depicts the king.

[hushed steeple]

What would it be like to walk through the Eden castle before the corruption and everything. I bet it'd be easy to get lost in there due to the size of it.

[frigid tinsel]

why did that give white castle and hell of sawblades from Hollow Knight flashbacks?

[floral python]

This is the gif?

https://c.tenor.com/nIcwqQvJUL4AAAAM/sky-children-of-the-light-sky-children-of-light.gif

[high dagger]

Why does King look like a prisoner on top of a really tall tower?

[calm jay]

is that. a king fancam

[noble ferry]

Eden but there's sawblades everywhere. That's why Eden fell, King spent all the budget on the sawblades instead of making sure the eden diamond doesn't implode

[frigid tinsel]

actually I'm one of those who think that the "king" is really the then-prince in a huge mechsuit they control from the top.

[hushed steeple]

I think that's just the process of disappearing into a spiraling spec.

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, some blokes made gifs of the king like this one
No the gif bloody broke

[hushed steeple]

King explaining how the darkness event started: "So I bought a bunch of saw blades, and set them loose, then one thing lead to another and a saw blade kinda hit the diamond....."

[frigid tinsel]

reason the prince/king is so small is cos they might've been a proto-skykid and contemporary skykids are no taller than 4ft. the king mechsuit was making up for the height difference

[keen shore]

Ok so you know how sometimes in fantasy /sci fi worlds, there’ll be a thing where the inhabitants of that world have a phrase that we also have, but for different reasons. Do you think the phrase “short king” is common in sky universe bc of this

[cunning shell]

Are the elders a completely different race? Because they’re freaking ginormous, but the ancestors are roughly skid-sized

[sharp lichen]

Here salem

[hushed steeple]

What if we had Ruby eat the Eden diamond and then sent them faaaaaaarrrrrrr away all the way to another kingdom and let that kingdom deal with it. Wouldn't our problems be solved then? Of course we might have to let ruby grow up a bit more because the diamond might be a bit big for their mouth at the moment, but aside from that I think its a solid plan.

[keen shore]

Also, the fact that anyone in the fanbase who knows about the king thinks they’re either 30ft tall or 5ft tall is hilarious to me. There’s no in between.

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure exactly. I’d assume they have some relation to the Ancestors, but not too much

[hushed steeple]

Same race, just the chosen ones, not a big deal to be honest./j

[keen shore]

In game, the main method of showing that elders are a different race is by making them very tall. This is a reference to the fact that irl, tall people aren’t human /j

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder is 5’2”

[keen shore]

Vault elder is just an ancestor in a cool costume. Canon.

[hushed steeple]

They're a kid so technically they're around 2-3 1/2 ft. tall, but with the Kings Moving Tower they're about 20-35 ft. tall.

[cunning shell]

They seem like “big” deals to me /j

Also, I was thinking. Elders are giants, and ancestors are small. HOWEVER, in Wasteland, the soldiers are ancestors. Yet all the weapons and stuff we see in the wreckage is huge. So did some race of elders attack the ancestor-inhabited Wasteland?

[keen shore]

My current favorite explanation for this is that the wasteland warriors chugged large spells before battle

[frigid tinsel]

gestures to Salem. topic for the spear queer

[rigid mural]

@keen shore
FOUND THE DOODLE

[cunning shell]

Headcanon accepted

[keen shore]

YES THAT ONE I REMEMBER IT. IT TORTURES ME EVERYTIME I REMEMBER.

[hushed steeple]

Missing a head and an arm, so sad.

[rigid mural]

I found so many I didn't post here (I think) as well

[hushed steeple]

I'm going to go for a bit, I'm just a little bored that's all(everything to do with me by the way)
BYYYYEEEEEE!!!!

[keen shore]

Actual explanation though: it’s not too outrageous to say that the spears could be wielded by normal ancestors; they’re similar in size to many human spears (I think I remember estimating them at about 10-12ft?). The heavy stone tips make it a bit weirder, but considering we see ancestors carry around heavy stone pots all the time, I can still see them wielding those spears.

The SWORDS though…. They are so big. Unreasonably massive for no reason.

[rigid mural]

Tbh their use by ancestors is confirmed on the ark murals, you could very well be right. 1UP mushroom

[keen shore]

My struggle to figure out what’s going on in the second half of this image just makes it funnier

[keen shore]

YEAJ!! That’s where I got it from!! It’s super neat to imagine a special class of wasteland warriors drinking a bunch of large spells and then going ham in battle

[queen forum]

Well, based on this art we have an idea that Resh might have controlled a giant King mech and he was really only the size of a Skid…is it possible that the Ancestors had “mechs” that could wield these weapons as well, and it’s just that none of them have survived?

[rigid mural]

It's this

[keen shore]

I mean… yes… but that’s the BORING explanation. Plus those mechs would make it really hard to wield weapons, and just seem so much clunkier and generally worse than just being a normal person in battle

[rigid mural]

Boring TO YOU.
"Aleph, get in the robot"

[queen forum]

Giant mech suits are not a boring explanation. That’s super cool to imagine.

[keen shore]

They’re only boring if they look like the kings. If they don’t I am fine with them… but still not as cool as beserker ancestors I Guesss….
(For the longest time I thought krill were corrupted battle mechs and I’m still mad that that was confirmed to be untrue. Can you imagine how cool that would be)

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestors rangling krill like cowboys

[rigid mural]

Resh starting to comprehend how much damage the darkstone going to do to the kingdom after it became its only source of energy:

[keen shore]

Wonder what madlad first came up with the idea of just piloting giant mechs around and had to convince someone in forest to build it for them

[rigid mural]

Tired: Resh is a tyrannical ruler
Wired: Resh is compensating for his tiny size
Woke: Resh is thrice divorced
Bespoke: Resh is Shinji Ikari from Evangelion (and a loser)

[keen shore]

Ok hear me out. What if they’re all correct simultanously. What would you do then

[rigid mural]

Being a tyrannical ruler would kinda remove the pathetic vibes I was going for tbh

[keen shore]

Ok. Fair and I agree with your assmemeent

[rigid mural]

Back to lore while I dig through old doodles, remember that time we talked about chimesmith possibly keeping their craft a secret out of fear it might misused... again ?

[keen shore]

UEAHHH :(

Do you think they got excited when you realized skykids couldn’t use the chimes for evil, since they had no use for/knowledge of refineries, which meant they could teach skykids how to make chimes again???

[frigid tinsel]

Chimesmith arriving as TS with a chime prop

[inner cloud]

WAIT THATS SO SAD

[sharp lichen]

WE LOVE ANGST

[rigid mural]

Maybe at first they tentatively showed one skykid, then noticed they weren't abusing the light creatures that got drawn to the sound.

They almost forgot the sweet melody

[keen shore]

Imagine: skykid braiding chimes into their hair so they jingle whenever they walk

[foggy lotus]

GIVE ME 3 MINUTES I GOTTA DO SMTHN

[rigid mural]

AW
And they are followed by birds

[placid compass]

forest elder hair but the stuff (?) holding it together r chimes

[frigid tinsel]

Beads. Chime beads, singing as they clack together

[jovial nacelle]

IT'S CONFIRMED

[keen shore]

If I had chime beads to braid into my hair, I would never stop shaking my head to make them clack together and Release the pretty noise. I imagine that’s how you would signal butterflies to lift you up (like, you need a boost, so you shake your head and fwooom)

[frigid tinsel]

I used to have braided hair with thick wooden beads and I did just that. Loved how they sounded clacking together

[jovial nacelle]

Now we know where WL truly comes from

[keen shore]

The idea of chimes just being like car keys is also really funny when added to this conversation. Imagine a skykid finding some laying around and bringing them to chinsemitj like… these sound really pretty can u teach me how to make them? And they’re like “those are my car keys…”

[rigid mural]

I forgot if it was here or somewhere else but I remember joking Stagehand's chimes are for calling the elder bird, kinda like car keys.

[keen shore]

It was here I Remember it

[frigid tinsel]

Performance guide: goofing off backstage
Stagehand: holding chimes. if you keep messing around in my stuff, I’ll call your sibling.
Performance guide: please don’t.

[keen shore]

How did you manage to make it funnier???????????????

[jovial nacelle]

hmmm, since chimes are basically telephones. does that mean we can call anyone or anything

[keen shore]

The idea of a skykid walking around and making chime sounds whenever their hair bounces is filling me with glee. I don’t know why but I’m reminded of bells on cat collars

[foggy lotus]

i ran out of places to put bells

[keen shore]

The flight spirits get worried a skykid will get up to mischief so they help them braid chimes into their hair, so whenever they do Anything they can hear it from far away. Like you hear mysterious jingling from a small corner theyre sruck in or something. The skykid never realizes the chimes purpose

[frigid tinsel]

slap a chime collar on a chibi to keep track of where they are as they break the laws of physics

[keen shore]

EXACFLY. Every time they chibi fall somewhere a butterfly mysteriously floats them out

[frigid tinsel]

chibi: hehehe
butterfly: no

[keen shore]

Oh you know what would be cute? Us and the other flight spirits wearing chimes, so just in case we fall off the islands, the light creatures know to catch us and bring us back to safety. (We don’t really need them, but flight guide is still worried about us so we get them anyways(

[lyric isle]

ok but that would be so cool

(this is a new headcanon for what my skykid has going on with Scold hair under their hat, thank you)

[keen shore]

THANK YOU. THAT IDEA HAS BEEN RATTLING AROUND IN MY BRAIN CONSTANTLY AND I WANT IT SO BADLY AS A HAIRSTYLE

[lyric isle]

under the jester hat is be ll s

[keen shore]

Even more bells under the already belled hat. I love it

[lyric isle]

I wish it had bells
. the Shoes do at least. wish you could hear them though
gonna go full jester tomorrow and way too excited, sorry that this is a little off-topic

[keen shore]

JESTER TRANSOFMEAFION !!!!!!

Im still giggling at the idea that the outfit storyteller chose to wear for eternity was a jester costume. Iconic

[cunning shell]

This chimes idea is precious and I love it

[naive star]

that's a really cute idea! maybe that could have been part of the adventure pass necklace design. (wonder if we'll ever get another unique ap necklace like assembly?)

[formal skiff]

I NEED THAT

[regal forge]

Since the flight guide was an apprentice to the prairie elder, we technically got a little insight into what type of powers the elder has (I can explain this if you’d like)
What kind of abilities or visual things in the other realms do you think the elders powers are involved in?

[cunning shell]

A “Days of Flight” expansion to Wind Paths to include new tunnels to places like Abyss, with Momma Flight offering chime cosmetics

[keen shore]

The rain in forest, the wind directions in valley (esp the wind direction in the flying race and citadel), the grass and lushness of prairie, and obv everything weird in vault. I’m trying to figure out what the orange light did in GW other than make the turrets (which are defunct by now)

[regal forge]

Aggressive jingling everywhere you go— From EVERY sky kid nearby—

[cunning shell]

Could make it even more chaotic by adding an IAP—the triangle instrument

[regal forge]

Ooh I didn’t even think of the wind directions in the race!!! Nice one!
I bet prairie also involves the mantas that are summoned by the bell towers.
Those guys can’t just be kept nowhere
Plus… who taught them to KIDNAP

[keen shore]

Also I think it’s relevant to this conversation that sanctuary guide uses cyan light (wind, what valleu elders have) to repair the chimes so that would also count!

[regal forge]

Oooooooh

Watch me grab orange light and do cackling cannoneers expression

[lyric isle]

oh no this gave me the worst idea

magical girl transformation sequence

on an on-topic, the red light symbol used for the smoke effect on stage has been making me overthink

[keen shore]

ME TOO. I ended up connecting it to how smoke obscures things, but they’re still there. Like with red light, maybe you could remove/obscure things from the world, but bring them back at any time? Idk, it’s the best thing I could come up with

[lyric isle]

probably 👀

Nod uses it to reveal the murals - would make sense if it could work for the opposite effect too

[keen shore]

So you know how darkness plants steal and hold light? But you can get the light back by burning them away? That’s how I imafine it works - with red light you can control what gets stolen + released

[lyric isle]

finally more info for what red light does

via overthinking about an icon. when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail

[keen shore]

RIGHT. I have been struggling to figure out what red light does for MONTHS but that tiny icon gave me the epiphany

[lyric isle]

so that leaves the question
what’s purple light

I assume it’s to do with technology; aren’t the Sanctuary bells powered via that?

[keen shore]

The sanctuary lights are powered via cyan light (air) weirdly enough, acrually. I’m not entirely sure how that works.

My idea on purple light is that it’s like the reverse of red light. You can manifest things from your memory/imagination into tangible existence, and also control when they get deleted. Hence the forgotten ark tents popping up out of Nowhere
I also headcanon that the entirety of vault (like the structure itself) was manifested from purple light instead of being built the traditional way

[regal forge]

hey wait why did prairie elder have an apprentice in the first place?
you guys think it’s common?
Did the other fellows have apprentices we don’t know of yet?

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know if the other Elders had apprentices or not. Flight is the first and only one we know of.

[lyric isle]

insert my mess of a theory for starlight desert here, something something dream experiment…

[cunning shell]

I hope so. That’d be wholesome. I wonder if Flight would’ve succeeded Prairie if the world hadn’t gone kaboom

[keen shore]

The vault cutscene murals seem to imply that they did! Here’s forest’s as an example :3 it’s really sweet.
Worth noting that the king mural from this sequence is the only one that doesn’t include other spirits learning from the elders shown

[regal forge]

You know, someone was asking once ‘why only the spirits in the constellation?’ About why they remain as spirits and why there’s so few if the WHOLE world went down
Do you think the people in the constellations are really people who apprenticed with the elders? That’s why they’re the only ones we see? Extra power maybe allowing them to remain as spirits/part of the constellation?

[keen shore]

Here’s prairie’s mural from this sequence. It would be really cute if flight guide was shown here and we didn’t know it. (I also headcanon sanctuary guide as one of prairies past apprentices as well, since them and flight guide are so similar, I just think it would be neat)

[regal forge]

I love how the elder is depicted in that one. Very friend shaped.

[keen shore]

I KNOW. THEY ARE EXTEEMELY FRIEND SHAEPD

I love how in murals where the elders are depicted, forest elder gets like a fancy design and is drawn to look intimidating + more realistic, and then prairie elder just looks like this. Wasteland elder is just an upside down triangle. It’s hilarious. I imagine each piece was drawn by artists from each realm which makes the differences in depicting the elders reasonable and very funny

[regal forge]

Moodboard of elders depictions now—

[keen shore]

Triamgle

[regal forge]

On a scale of rOund to triangle
where are you today

[cunning shell]

I almost think of it being the opposite. All skids can see basic spirits, but as they grow in power and experience, they start noticing the others too. That’s me trying to reconcile gameplay with lore (gameplay says that you start with basic spirits and slowly unlock new ones via seasons) but it seems reasonable maybe? Idk

[keen shore]

more elder shapes. They bring me so much joy

[rigid mural]

Whoag triomgle

[regal forge]

That one is so funny I’m losing my mind—

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders are all angular and Prairie Elder is just round

[regal forge]

In world full of angular elders… be rOUnd

[keen shore]

Vault elder…

The prophecy murals are my favorite for this reason and this reason alone

[regal forge]

hA look at the little stick man
||(I’m joking I love them I promise—)||
ay wait someone show me the valley elders—

[keen shore]

Isle elder is just prairie but slightly less wide

[frigid tinsel]

If anyone makes an among us joke, I’ll smite y’all

[regal forge]

Is— is that— is that a -
Amon— amonnnn-

[rapid arrow]

My friend did that the first time they saw the isle elder

[keen shore]

Triamgle head

[cunning shell]

Vault elder looks like they just unlocked the next winged light wedge

[keen shore]

OH for clarification. The glowing guy is the king. The vault elder is the /*\ looking person in bottom left

[regal forge]

Ah. I see valley elders are feeling triangle today

[cunning shell]

They’re all stick figures to me, whoops

[keen shore]

Do u think you could use the Pythagorean theorem to find the length of wasteland elders back

[frigid tinsel]

tbf they are stick figures. Simple drawings really

[cunning shell]

Technically yes, but it’d be in unspecified units. However, doing math for something like that would be very on brand for this channel’s overthinking super powers

[regal forge]

Someone calculated skids height. We can just just stack a skid next to them in the cutscene until we figure out how many it takes-
Also my trigonometry classes weren’t for nothing give me several hours and a graphing calculator
…
The extra hours are for sleeping not for calculations but still—

[keen shore]

Fun fact brw. Rejecting voyager appears in the proph murals :3 you can tell it’s not isle elder because of how different Theu look

Wait. Now I’m second guessing myself. The depiction of 2 ancestors directly beneath the cyan light is making me suspicious that these are still the elders, but they’re just getting elderified in this image

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps the Chosen One brought out the lights and ancestors helped them transport the lights to the Elder

[keen shore]

Even if that picture specifically isn’t rejecting voyager, this one probablu is so my point still Stands

[regal forge]

I’m wheezing it looks like they’re just floating away Into the sunset on the boat—
“Byyye buddy! Hope you find your dad” energy

[keen shore]

“They’re up there somewhere I think!!!”

[regal forge]

‘The claaaaw chooses’
“The stoooorm chooses”

[frigid tinsel]

Probably sending the kid to the Elders

[regal forge]

“Maybe if we try hard enough the boat will carry them away and we don’t have to see them again”
They’re all just using the vault emote to send the boat away—

[keen shore]

The upper half of that mural is them entering the prophecy cave btw, implying they only met isle elder after

[regal forge]

everytime I see the king being all glowy I just picture that image of that one really bright guy sitting at a table

[frigid tinsel]

Alef / Resh

[calm jay]

"i can be your angle... or yuor devil"

[cunning shell]

King vs Corrupted King at a hot dog eating contest

[keen shore]

Visual representation of the scene that plays after you die

[keen shore]

I was thinking about this concept more, and realized that since all of the spirits going into forest seem to enter from the same place we do, that implies they came from prairie. Something about prairie elder sending ppl to check up on forest elder is makes me :-)

[hushed steeple]

Can I get a brief on what is the commonly accepted lore of Sky?
Because I noticed some stuff and made a theory on my own before checking if others had done the same, so I want to compare points

[sharp lichen]

There are 4 common ideas:
There is a strange, powerful figure called the “King” who destroyed the Sky kingdom.

It is impossible to save/help this King.

Light creatures were abused.

Spirits were trapped and we are saving them

There’s more to that, but this is the basics

[hushed steeple]

Oh, okay, my theory kind of revolves about the third idea, but it tapples more into the "The game is telling a story via metaphors" way, should I elaborate? It's kind of a long one

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat loves essays /gen

[keen shore]

I feel so bad when people ask this question. We want a summary of the lore too

[hushed steeple]

But before that long one, I have a short theory that then led me to investigate and make the long one

This one is about the identity of Crabs and jellyfish

[keen shore]

Post theory

[hushed steeple]

So, When wandering through the Vault, I noticed something I didn't when playing the first time, because I lacked the proper unlockables at the time.

At vault there is the skeleton of a manta ray/ bird thingy (not sure how they are classified haha) and upon interacting with it, we can see how a small Spectral Manta arises from the bones.

Now, I misremembered, because I thought it was going to prompt me to use my "spectral manta" voice, to interact with it, but instead it made me use the normal manta voice

That's when it clicked, the two voices had the same icon but dressed differently, one white and the other translucent, and upon hearing them on a comparison, I noticed that their sounds were the same but on different pitching

[sharp lichen]

continue please

[placid compass]

cosmic manta=dead manta?

[hushed steeple]

So I began to wonder, are there other voices that have the same relationship?

[placid compass]

ok i also noticed right
we have this manta accompanying us all the way to wasteland,where it gets krilled
then we get to vault,and now there’s cosmic mantas

[hushed steeple]

And, I'm not sure how complete my voice gallery is, but at the time I only had one candidate, excluding the two mantas, Jellyfish was the only icon that was transparent, whilst the others (Skid, bird, fish/whale and crab) were solid white, so one of them had to match

So I excluded the Skid one for obvious reasons, and the Whale one because I think it already know what it's counterpart is, even if I don't have a voice for it

So I compared the bird, crab, and jelly voices, and found out that

Pattern repeated, same sound but different pitch, on the crab and jellyfish voices, there is also the similarities that both are water creatures, have a small, generally round body with many "limbs"

[sharp lichen]

This is really interesting! This makes me think that most creatures in Sky are closely related.

[keen shore]

I actually disagree with this assessment. I agreed with it up until season of abyss, but the manta shown there (the one that gives us our diving powers and who we see in the fifth quest) seems much more inline with what a manta spirit looks like. (It materializes/dissipates the same way as ancestor spirits do, has a similar glow, and follows the same color rules that they do).

The vault mantas are… something else. I still think they either come from mantas or are a similar, but separate species. My idea is that they’re the Vault lanterns’ attempt at projecting mantas, but I’m not sure.
The things that bother me about the cosmic mantas being manta spirits is that it implies that the jellyfish are also spirits due to how similar they look, and that the creature on the wasteland level is a spirit of an already existing beast, neither of which I believe to be true. They also have only a superficial resemblance at best to known (ancestor) spirits, which falls apart upon closer inspection. They’re… something. I’m not sure what they are, but I’m almost sure that they’re not manta spirits

[hushed steeple]

So it clicked, there are two possibilities

Either the jellyfish is the "spectral" version or the crabs, or the crabs are a corrupted versions of the jellyfish

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the idea that crabs and jellyfish are biological relatives that came from a common ancestor

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but, I think I have something else that proves my point, I think all light creatures on sky have actually three versions of themselves

[rigid mural]

Ancestors spliced mantas and jellyfish perhaps ? Kinda like how we have glowing mice now.

[keen shore]

The pattern of same sound but different pitch is really interesting though. However, I will note that both the crab and jellyfish being water creatures probably shouldn’t count as a similarity in this case because ALL the creatures in Sky are based off water creatures to some capacity. I can see them being related, but they look so physically different from each other that I don’t think one is the spirit of another (although I could be wrong. Evidence for Sky biology is extremely hard to find)

Another important note for this conversation: Jellyfish whisperer hair. The color palette of the jellyfish (white, yellow diamond on top) looks Exactly like what jellyfish would look like if you colored them like mantas. Maybe it’s a hint as to what non-spectral? cosmic? jellies look like.

Other assorted possibilities:

• Special breeding of each light creature (manta and jellyfish( to get the color variants. Kinda like different snake morphs.
• the More spectral looking versions are what they look like when low on light (kinda like how when we lose our flame) but aren’t dead
• Different but similar species
• “spectral” light creatures are actually conglomerates or colonies of many organisms which can take similar shapes, like siphonophores (this one is the weirdest, but it’s my personal favorite)

[hushed steeple]

That is also a possibility, leaving the "Jellies and crabos are the same" on a linchpin there, I want to introduce you to a character. The long "Manta" creature we see at the end of the Vault

Now wether crabs and Jellies are related or not it's debatable, but what it's not is that White mantas and Spectral mantas are related

[rigid mural]

That's my friend Floppy Disk !

[hushed steeple]

So at first I thought that it was just, like, a couple Spectral mantas on a trenchcoat, or something like that, but now I think I have an even better explanation, and it ties with the theme of the message I think sky tries to tell us

The long manta is actually related to both Whales, and dark dragons

[rigid mural]

I think that the difference between mantas and cosmic mantas, and what the latter exactly is, is up to us.
Ash said they believed cosmic mantas aren't holograms, but iirc they called that their headcanon.

[keen shore]

OHHHH DID YOU COME TO THE CONGLOMERATE IXEA. I THINK I KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOONG
edit: Possible nvm ?

[hushed steeple]

Now let me elaborate

[keen shore]

Since the spirit you get the spectral manta call from is called the memory whisperer, I always assumed that those mantas were projections from the vault memoru lanterns as like. Attempts to preserve and show what mantas look like for anyone who’d only be able to see the lanterns and not the original. Obviously since we CAN see normal living mantas and they’re not all extinct, these projections are kinda useless to us and cause a lot of confusion

[hushed steeple]

Let's not forget that our character, the Skid, does have a sort of rebirth, so to me it's entirely possible that other light creatures are allowed a similar treatment, that can turn them into said spectral creatures

[rigid mural]

I like the idea of light creatures not having integrity as great as ancestors or sky kids, so you can consider them to be masses of light that may merge or split as if light was water (hence why the "tide" draws them to the Light).

[hushed steeple]

I'll try to put it all together in one message and them move over to the actual long theory

[rigid mural]

Noteworthy the only mantas to carry things until Flight were these, which carried memory lanterns.
Perhaps these mantas helped scholars by flying things to and from libraries ?

[keen shore]

I LIKE THIS IDEA AS AELL!! My idea is that any light creature larger than a manta is a conglomerate of some kind. Some (like jellyfish and light fungi) are smaller and still conglomerates. It links back to that whole light = connection, hiveminds, conglomerates idea I mentioned waayyyyyyyyyyy back

[rigid mural]

YEAH I SAW IT
It's so great and fitting for the game too, and reflects megabird being one made of many.

[keen shore]

It’s easily one of my favorite theories, I love it a lot!!!! Coincidentally, the thing that made me think of it was the Floppy Disk Creature, I thought it looked like if you copy pasted a bunch of memory mantas in a line one after the other… and then I was like OHHHH the elder creature in sanct looks like that too,… and it snowballed from there.

Possible idea that just came to me: the river of birds has one massive shared mind between them, which is why none of the individual birds deviate from the whole

[rigid mural]

OH OH IN ORBIT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT MEGABIRD "NOODLES" YOU SEE IT'S RIVERS OF BIRDS

[keen shore]

and now I can’t stop merging the light creatures like they’re ingredients in a soup or whatever

[rigid mural]

Megabird noodles in light soup 🍲

[keen shore]

Could you slurp up the river of birds like a spaghetti noodle yes or no

[rigid mural]

Depends on how big you are. Eating light would probably make you more light than creature in the long run.

[keen shore]

Omg…. Red light is just spaghetti sauce. Lore solved

[hushed steeple]

As shown in the Vault of knowledge, and proved by unlockable voices connections, spectral mantas come from normal mantas after death, now, wether these are a projection of the vault, or the actual spirits of the mantas, reborn in a spectral way, is debatable, but I'm rather inclined to believe the later, since the game has strong connotations of death and rebirth, that extend even to our own player.

This allows me to discern between two distinct states of existence for the light creatures Wich I'm gonna call Natural, and Spectral. And I believe this state is not unique to mantas, but extend to all other light creatures, the proof being the following:

At the very same vault, one is able to find a different kind of Spectral creature, a long, and multiple limbed creature that is similar to the spectral manta.

Now, one may think that the long spectral creature is some sort of fusion between several spectral mantas, or just one that grow more limbs overtime, but there is evidence against this theory:

The first being that, in the room where we find these long creatures, a set of bones can also be found, big bones that resemble those of dragons/whales, and it brings us to number two, there is a creature that better resemble the long spectral creatures better than mantas, I'm talking about dark dragons.

Dark dragons and the long spectral creatures are segmented in the same way, and share the characteristic of possesing many limbs in a similar fashion, also their movement pattern is similar, minus the attack segment, Wich I'm going to attribute to the state of darkness (linchpin here for later)
The second option would be that they are, instead, related to whales, as they too share this long and segment body, and the movement patterns, and their wide frame fits perfectly around the bones found in the vault.

.
I think both answers are true, the long, spectral creature, Wich I am now going to refer as spectral dragon, shares enough similarities to both Whales and dark dragons, and what I think makes this possible is that there is actually a third state of existence for light creatures, Darkness, or Corrupted state.

So, in resume:

Natural mantas -💀-> Spectral Mantas

Spectral dragons <-💀- Whales -🖤?-> Dark Dragons

And crabs may or may not be related to Jellies, due to similarities on unlockable voices.

Jellyfish -🖤?-> Crab, possibly.

Now, why is there a third, corrupted state of existence for light creatures, is something I will answer with my next theory

Bit before that I will now compare this theory and it's points with two of the theories I have heard here about the nature of spectral creatures

And I think this theory can work mostly fine with one, or the other, but not both at the same time, although there are counter arguments about it not being able to work with either

The first one being the the organism colony theory, and that small light creatures merge together to form the larger creatures.
This theory works pretty well together, as it could possibly provide an explanation to why the spectral creatures come from the death of the natural ones, other than magic and the power of light.

The only counterargument I can think would be the presence of bones at the death of the natural creature, since colonies of creatures that share a same light body could be argued to not leave tangible remains, or even to not need bones at all.
But this counter argument falls very flat, since don't know the inner workings and anatomy of sky creatures, so a colony of organisms creating bones for structure is totally within the realm of possibilities, and it would prove why spectral creatures seem translucent, as the more "tangible" parts of the colony are left behind, and only a small ratio of the original organisms are carried over to the new form.

I do still think that spectral creatures coming back to life thanks to the power of the flame is a valid explanation, tho

[hushed steeple]

So, the second theory I want to compare to mine, is the one that argues that Spectral creatures are projections of the vault, that try to recreate the creature in question.

Now, it is a valid theory, since as far as I know we only see spectral creatures on the vault, but then again we face the question of the bones as a counter argument.
But again it is easily dismissible, the projection of the creature would not need to resemble the bones, as the spectral appearence could be entirely made up by the vault keepers, and it would not remove the ties to their natural and corrupted counterparts, as they would still serve as inspiration to the keepers to program their behavior.

Oddly enough, the one piece that could make these two theories not work together, would be the identity and relation between Jellyfish and Crabs, or the lack of if that's the case.

Because if we take the icon appearence of voice unlockables on jellyfish as valid and related, Wich we know is true for the manta creatures. We find that they would be considered Spectral creatures as well, and this would mean that spectral creatures can be found outside the vault.

Whilst if we take the spectral appearence of the icon as, just a stylistic choice, and the jellyfish are actually the natural state, the two theories can work together.

And if the crab is related to the jelly, we would have to stablish wether it's the corrupted state, or the natural state, although I'm rather inclined to the first option, due to their direct ties to dark dragons and the eye of eden.

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[hushed steeple]

Ok, now, To explain why there is a "corrupted" state of existence for light creatures, I went to the places they inhabit, and did some research on their surrounding. And the things I found led me to create a whole new theory pertaining the nature and history of the world Sky settles in

And although I believe some pieces of evidence are very strong, most of this theory is speculation, and as it's a lot more to cover so I will instead start what I speculate to be the full story, and only point out specially relevant key pieces of lore over the narrative I am going to produce

Ok, at first, let's start by setting up a timeline.

I believe that there are three major eras on the history of Sky

Pre-History, referring to things that happened before spirits could be used to record messages and history. It exists only as a general idea inside the minds of the people and their traditions, or possibly artifacts, or geographical landmarks.

Spirit History: Things that happened between the apparition of the ancient elders and the skids or player characters, recorded mostly as spirits themselves, although a large amount of geographical landmarks and artifacts could come from this era as well, it is unclear tho.

Present days: It's the story lives trough the perspective of the Skids or player characters, it is possible it's a loop of sorts.

So, I believe that each chapter (each one with a portal to it and an elder at the end, plus eden.) Actually is composed by these three pieces, and each one mimics the other

The actual game we experience is, as you might expect, the Present Days, then, you have the spirits telling you their own experiences on what the world was like during the days of Spirit History, whilst at the same time, they are giving you a general idea on how it was during the Pre-History, even if they weren't there themselves

This "General idea" of the Pre-History is very symbolic, but I think it's all related to a single central theme that seems to apply to the game as a whole, The progress of a civilization

We begin with chapter 1, Morning Islands, and the first elder spirit.

I theorize this chapter to be symbolic of mankind's (or whatever civilization existed before spirits and skids) first discovery of fire. This is the original spark, something that would bring the unexisting civilization out of the balance of nature, and send them into a path, a journey that will take them places that they could never have imagined before.

Now, this too is symbolic in a sense of teaching the Skid about the existence of the spark. That little something that moves you to do things trough life, even if you don't fully understand everything about it. Innocence in it's purest

Then, we move onto the second chapter, the plains. And here we find the symbolism of travel, and growth, here we find the clay pot elder. Wich shows us how a single flame can be turned into many more.

This here is symbolic of how this civilization learned how to tame fire, to take fire with them, and make it grow, whilst I think the lesson the elder tries to teach the Skid, is one about nurturing your spark, to not let it die.

After that, we go to a very important moment on ancient history. Chapter three, the woods.

Now, this is where everything begins to take shape. The forge and blacksmithing themes are symbolic of this ancient civilization learning how to tame fire, to mold it to their primitive tools and weapons, whilst this tries to teach the Skid how to shape your spark, an analogy on how you need to find more new uses for their your spark, to see what really fits you as a person or skid.

(I'm sleepy I'll continue tomorrow)

[outer hare]

I has a question- could there be extinct animals in sky?

[tranquil harbor]

yes

[regal forge]

Hey someone talked about the manta bones in vault and I’d like to bring up again the skill has 2 eye holes and I don’t know how to feel about it
There is the hole in the front where their eyes usually are so maybe they are jus some massive nostrils but who knows

Also, speaking of the vault mantas: something I’ve noticed is they DONT have the light in the front like mantas elsewhere. In fact it’s on the top and bottom. Maybe they are different creatures

If I’m not wrong, the cosmic mantas don’t have the little,,, connection thing… when sky kids ride them
Mantas have that little purple chain that connect your skid to them
I haven’t seen it on the vault fellas

I’m sorry I keep ranting about mantas now—

[outer hare]

Wooly mantas-

[hushed steeple]

"funny how these pictures bring emotions, tho I wonder how it is made"

(I'm doing a sugar heart hunt rn)

[regal forge]

Actually I’m drawing mantas/birds from sky but making their shape/color patterns to that of real birds
So I have a fluffy manta

[hushed steeple]

Anyways, continuing from where I left it

After the forge comes the valley, this represents an era of peace but also rivalry, the ancient civilization, began to use the fire to entertain themselves with competitions, games, and other ways of sport. This teaches the skids the lesson of competition, your spark, wathever it is, will become stronger when you are faced against someone with the same goals, a healthy competition will bring the most out of you, and will serve as a point of differentiation, showing you the uniqueness of your spark in comparison to others that may be similar

But then, we arrive at the wastelands. This is where the first wars truly went wrong.
Wether there had been wars before or not, it's unknown, but something is different this time, this was the first time the true destructive potential of this flame was unleashed, it was the most deadly war ever fought, as the flames were now able to be used to forge weapons never seen before, it was tragedy.

The lessons the elders teach the Skid with this one is... To never surrender, no matter the adversity that comes, you must be resilient, but if you succeed, your spark will shine stronger than ever in the future.

Then we arrive at the vault of knowledge, and it is clear the transition here, the war before was so devastating, that wathever remained of the ancient civilization chose to abolish any form of it, and instead chose to work towards peace, this time they wanted to truly understand the capabilities of the flame, outside it's purposes for war, this led to an era of peace and advancements in science/flame magic.

Now all of this is clear thanks to the theme of rebirth present here with the mantas, but the vault is also where we can begin to draw connections to biblical references

[restive cosmos]

I have a question for lore chat
What is the air-speed velocity of a manta?

[hushed steeple]

Stopped writing what I was writing to question

Natural or spectral?

[restive cosmos]

spectral

[hushed steeple]

Haha ok reference done, continuing my explanation

The eye of eden (can't confirm this directly but the player candles apparently translate it as "Original Sin" from the Japanese version) is an odd name, tbh

[restive cosmos]

if you know the origin of the name Eden, not really
wait nevermind

[hushed steeple]

But it ties directly to the book of genesis, being that both names come from there

In the book of genesis, the original sin is depicted as humanity being misled to choosing to intelligence over blissful ignorance, and this ties directly with the storyline of the chapters, specially with the vault of Knowledge coming right before the eye of eden

Something happened, they went one step too far in their pursuit for intelligence, and something came out either very very wrong or very very good, and I think I know what happened

Now we begin to look at the word around, namely the area surrounding the eye

It is clear that wathever is going on there, it required or still requires quite a lot of infrastructure, as it looks just like a wasteland of heavy machinery, with pipes that are still functioning to this day

[restive cosmos]

yea

[hushed steeple]

If you notice to the side, you can see a big pipe sucking on hundreds or thousands of light birds per minutes, and spurting out tons of black goo and smoke and dust from the other side

[restive cosmos]

wait, what if we are collecting the fallen's sins and purifying them

[hushed steeple]

(maybe, I'll be there in a sec)
This is a machine that runs on wathever energy resides on living things, light creatures powered by flame, are now powering this machinery.
But I think I know what this is all for

This is a machine that was meant to modify the very structure and will of light creatures, to bend it to it's own purposes, and that includes the ancient people as well. So they all now serve as collectors for more and more light energy.

But I think there is actually a greater purpose than this

Why would whoever made this machinery even need so much energy in the first place? What for?

Well that, is because the eye of eden, is a machine that was supposed to grant immortality.

And apparently, it did work, even if it costed thousands or even millions of innocent lives, even without counting the constant suction of life force from other living creatures.

Whatever the spirits are, they are here thanks to the machine

They found a new version of life, as spirits, forever meant to roam and to gaze upon the disastrous mess that their predecessors left behind, they chose to form a new society over this one, and this is where spirit History begins

They created new traditions, and warned their young with stories about some long forgotten past, in hopes that such a monumental mistake is never made again, even if they did not know the full story themselves. and that's is why we have this journey. That's why the skids are meant to journey trough this very specific landmarks, It's a cautionary tale, that also doubles as advice for life.

Now, wether the skids themselves are the same as these spirits... It's hard to tell, there's many reasons to believe they are different, but as for explanations? Maybe something IS changing with the eye of eden, after such millennia of usage. Maybe skids are there to, hopefully, break the loop of immortality one day and return life to it's natural state, or the opposite could be true, and they are here to ensure that the machine keeps running, by feeding and spreading the flames more and more so the machine can eat

More research needs to be done in the subject. End of theory.

Any thoughts in the subject?

[restive cosmos]

not really

[tender trail]

So, I just realized the animation trailer had some pre-destruction wasteland

[hushed steeple]

The lore

[hushed steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-mark-gif-6105372

[hushed steeple]

Just look at that, isn't that the view of a machine sucking life force from the earth?

[tender trail]

It's concept art, so not technically canon, but I do think this may be one of our first looks at the palace.

[hushed steeple]

Of course, it's not canon, but it gives insight on what the creators may have been thinking about when creating the final game

[copper saffron]

Everyone: deep lore analysis
Me: how loud is a skykid honk?

[hushed steeple]

At least loud as a vuvuzela!

[restive cosmos]

as loud as the air-speed velocity of a manta?

[hushed steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/horns-gif-12193443

[mystic cosmos]

Wait so are you saying that the spirits weren’t the ones who made the machines? Sorry I just got here.

[hushed steeple]

There is a way to calculate this one tho, find the area that has the most possible measurable distance from point A to B, then position two friends on each point, honk, and see wether the friend indicator shows up or not, if not, keep moving closer until they do, and then calculate it with sound wave mathematics

[copper saffron]

Yep lol there's always a way to math it, but thats beyond my abilities

[restive cosmos]

but what is the air-speed velocity of a manta tho?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I think the eye of eden is referred as the origin of spirits, since both Eden, and Original sin are biblical references to the book of genesis, so it must have come before. Or caused the spirits to become that way

[tender trail]

I currently have two primary Sky theories:
One: The spirits are still alive, just without bodies, they can return to the stars, but are reborn in their old homes, that's why the player can interact with them
Two: The king merged with the mountain somehow, they share a shape, and it has been stated that the king is not in the game as a character, but is very important to its story. For example, the small bells showing the maintain in prairie are very similar in shape to the King statues in wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Maybe the king was the one to finance the eye's creation, or lead it

[mystic cosmos]

Okay thanks!!

[hushed steeple]

The beginning of my rambling for those that just arrived

[mystic cosmos]

And one other thing, who/what is King. I know a little bit about it but do we have a clear answer?

[formal skiff]

I’ve never heard that theory before (the king having become the mountain of Eden in a way) and I’m kind of in love with it

[tender trail]

I'm glad you like it, I think it actually explains a lot. Also, because the pipes filled with sludge seem to end in wasteland, I suspect they were meant to carry something (probably darkness, but also possibly pollution or crushed rocks) off of the top of the mountain, wasteland got sacrificed because they needed to get rid of darkness as fast as they could, and I suspect that the elder rose up in revolt because of it.

[hushed steeple]

In my theory, sludge is actually made from birds, and it serves as a way to dissolve light energy, that is then transported by crabs, or the sludge itself, to the machine

[hidden tree]

I am wondering maybe the krills might have been light creatures? Like maybe they attack mantas and us because they think that they will become light creatures again if they do, and maybe wasteland was also a joyful place? I can't really think of what might have might golden wasteland like this but i'll probably try to think of something later, i realised how the other places aren't as dark, maybe the reason wasteland is like this is maybe because of the krills? I am probably thinking that maybe the elder of wasteland was not able to fix it because it would be risky especially because of the krills

[hidden tree]

Ooo

[kindred swan]

Your theory reminded me of this so I just had to share

[hidden tree]

Ohh haha

Maybe after the krills became dark creatures they might have evolved like this, i wonder if it might be the same way if they were light creatures before

Or could it be that maybe something happened to the elder spirit of eden, so darkness spread, maybe it got into the egg? I think it might be an egg, then maybe that krill might have attacked the light krills which made them become dark creatures

[cunning shell]

What biome do y’all think wasteland was before it became a wasteland?

[queen forum]

A Marsh.

[azure spruce]

Maybe it looked a bit more like the daylight prairie?

[cunning shell]

I toyed with the idea of it being like a savannah, which would be a cool change of pace from the other ones, but that wouldn’t make sense with the water. A marsh might make sense though

It looking like praire would be the most logical, but some more diversity would be nice. But I guess we’ll never know

[sharp lichen]

ITS NOT BEYOND MY ABILITIES HAHA

[sharp lichen]

TIME TO RESURRECT MATHCHAT

[copper saffron]

MATH TIME

[soft timber]

sadness This looks so cool tho

[sharp lichen]

WAIT. HOW DO WR CALCULATE THE DECIBEL LEVEL. WE NEED TO HAVE A REAL LIFE DECIBEL METER LISTEN TO A SKY HONK

[copper saffron]

TOO MANY VARIABLES, THE VOLUME OF THE SPEAKER COULD VARY BETWEEN TEST DEVICES

[soft timber]

Yea

[sharp lichen]

WE WILL AVERAGE THE RESULTS OUT THEN

[native shoal]

Math time?

[copper saffron]

i cant do it rn cause its 1am but EVERYONE, IF YOU HAVE 2 PHONES, MAX OUT THE VOLUME ON ONE AND GET A DECIBEL METER ON THE OTHER
THEN HONK
WE WILL USE DEFAULT HONK FOR THE EXPERIMENT

Question is tho, is there a mathematical formula that can calculate volume in db given the distance that it can be heard from?

[cunning shell]

In order to do that, we’d first need to ascertain a measurement system in Sky, probably in meters. From there, we’d need to be able to calculate how much distance is between the skid and the manta in question at the time of the call, which would be significantly difficult given the fact that the manta’s position is constantly changing. We’d have to do some trig and physics to even figure out the basic distance (trig to figure out the angle+precise distance and physics to calculate the trajectory and speed of the manta and trig again to calculate the position of the manta as it moves). Without a reliable unit of distance conversion, we couldn’t even start. All of this is still running with the postulate that the averaged decibel level of a manta call is in fact the level of volume a skid hears, because what we hear may be softer due to the fact that we’re measuring it secondhand and not at the site in question. If we could establish these formulae, then we would hypothetically be able to calculate the exact decibel level with the postulate as the unavoidable margin of error. However, we’d also have to filter for any other sounds in the background that could be interfering with the decibel reading, so we’d have to refine that first

TLDR: lots of math would need to happen lmao

[sharp lichen]

We already have a measurement system, but it is very primitive. 1 chibi Skykid is I think 27 inches. For the second part, we could find a static manta.

Here’s my source:

[cunning shell]

Where would be find a static manta?
This is so chaotic I love it

[sharp lichen]

Hmm, I’m not sure. Maybe we need a slow-moving one?

[cunning shell]

Maybe if we made a stack of tables and placed a torch or something on top of it at the exact point of contact for the manta’s head at the point where it makes the call, we could use that as a measurement reference point

[sharp lichen]

Yes. What props do you have?

We will also need to hear it call. Could we use a Skykid instead

[cunning shell]

Iiiii have lots of spells of props haha

If we used a skid to be the placemarker, they’d get kidnapped by the manta. Then again, it’d cut out a lot of calculations to record the volume as hard while actually on the manta and not from another location

[tender trail]

we could use ||the secret area or oreo|| as potential rulers, because they have direct, real-world equivalents

[sharp lichen]

Someone named legokidlogan already did.

[regal forge]

Static manta? Why not the one trapped at forest? It doesn’t move unless you free it with a call now

[sharp lichen]

I am holding lorechat hostage until we finish this math session

[regal forge]

Wait please I just showed up—

[sharp lichen]

Too late. You are joining us. So what’s our plan?

[regal forge]

please— please I have birdwatching to do— I need to finish drawing fluffy manta ;-;

[sharp lichen]

This can help you draw the manta. Join us for math.

[regal forge]

hhhh
What are we calculating?

[hushed steeple]

I like this, very much

[mystic cosmos]

I’ll help!

[native shoal]

Loudness of skid calls I think

Which you can see a skid call from across the entirety of a map no matter what the map is

[sharp lichen]

We will need multiple tests of the same thing. First, we need to find the Forest manta that’s trapped.

[hidden tree]

it is filled with sand so i am thinking maybe something like a desert?

[sharp lichen]

We think the first half can be possible.

[sharp lichen]

I believe people have said that it is a marsh, based on various things shown in Wasteland: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[static meteor]

it might not be loudness per se, maybe it's just something that has to do with light being related to connection
skykids feel the connection to other skykids when they call and intrinsically know where they are

[mystic cosmos]

Do you think we should all get together in sky now? It might be easier to visualize this when we’re there!

[regal forge]

Sky kid honks and causes a literal earthquake

[inner cloud]

enough sky kids gathered caused the wasteland from their honking /j

[regal forge]

edens storm is really just caused by the skid we meet there
The strongest HÖNK 👀

[inner cloud]

you know the untitled goose game? He secretly is a sky kid and HJÖNKED violently

[regal forge]

👀

[rain pond]

GW could have been a beach - the Forgotten Ark and Shipwrecks are both shipping various things in/out of Wasteland before getting beached by the wind/storm, and it would be a bit of a pain to build docks/ports in a marsh

especially in the place i come from, i see large docks on the coastline and less in the "wetlands" like areas.

[queen pike]

that makes a lot of sense...

[kindred swan]

Yeah!

[queen pike]

especially with the Leviathan. It really looks like a whale.

[rain pond]

As for why the Storm is the Storm, I have a suspicion it has to do with the diamond that we see in PNR

is it still drawing energy down from the divine light of megabird even after it exploded?

as we know, everything natural leads to Eden/PNR - the birds beeline towards it, the landscape seems to be leading us to Eden (walking almost in a straight line.) If Orbit/Megabird are right above Eden/PNR, which is heavily implied by concept art and in part even the game itself, it would make sense why the trek leads us to Eden.

In that case, the diamond could be positioned right under Megabird(Megan) - Megan overcharged the diamond and it exploded, but it kept sucking in light. The explosion may have created the debris (perhaps it is still falling from low earth orbit as the rocks in Eden) and violent, continuous release of energy into the open air could account for the strong winds (Storm.)

[mystic cosmos]

From the way the Wasteland looks now it seems like the marsh opens up to more open water which would mimic real life. In that case it would make sense for it to have been both a marsh and a docking area.

[rain pond]

trueee

but i can't see sand in any of the photos of marshes i get from google - could i get some education on what marshes really are

[mystic cosmos]

From my small amount of research just now it seems that yes, they can indeed be sandy. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[hidden tree]

ohh makes sense

[boreal nebula]

In light of the new Event Turtle (cape and swimming one) can we consider this rocks/tiles mosaic a turtle one too? 💡

[rain pond]

i mean tbh it could be either - the only evidence pointing against it being a marsh is the lack of any vegetation, but it is shaky at best because vegetation that close to the diamond blast could have been burned to ash immediately, unlike the vegetation in Prairie and Forest which could be sufficiently far enough away to survive mostly intact.

although one really must question - why are the trees in forest suddenly petrified?

or is wood in Sky just naturally lacking pigmentation because there is no reason to produce said pigmentation?

[boreal nebula]

And could it be that the Spirits with many stars on cape are just the (past) Seasonal Quest Giver? Granny was one.... and has 5stars, meanwhile Performance has just 1, but they are still working at current season

Gonna check any other QG with a cape. But Enchantment or Dreams cannot have it of course.

[rain pond]

there is no way to prove either theory so it's down to headcanon for this - because there is no vegetation in any of Valley of Triumph and the vegetation in Golden Wasteland could have been burned away in the milliseconds after the apocalypse

also the stars may just be an instance of "eh, it doesn't really matter lol" or perhaps even a show of "hey, this is what the stars will look like!" - I'm inclined to go with the latter because I have faith in TGC to take care of their games.

[mystic cosmos]

How is the math coming everyone?

[boreal nebula]

Lol, there are still lore kids trying to calculate heights?😅

Not that it is a bad thing, I like math, but trying to do that could be trickier than what you think

[rain pond]

Winged light and alive!spirits being in the same time frame is quite unlikely - the only proof against it is one in the Isle of Dawn where I think there was an actual WL there.

[mystic cosmos]

I have no idea 😂

[rain pond]

also, upon examining battlefield during my Sky session with SAD-ist a few days ago, i have come to the conclusion that the spears are in fact those of the Diamond faction, not the Sunburst faction - which means my art is all wrong. Sadness.

However, this does beg the question - why does the Wasteland Elder's statue have symbols of both sides?

[boreal nebula]

I remember the the time people thought a long row of tables ccould be a good idea to measure lenght and distances of maps

[mystic cosmos]

Yes! That spirit memory always confuses me.

[rain pond]

It could signify Tsadi's wish to reconcile the two sides by fighting under both banners, but it's shaky and doesn't really make sense

[boreal nebula]

I discuraged doing so, there are lots of topographics and cartographics measurements that if ignored couls get wrong results (one example, slopes could alter the countings

[rain pond]

it could be that there is a tiny overlap between the Decay of Civilization (post-apocalypse) and the sending down of the star children

[pallid flame]

I don't think I've paid enough attention to the lore, can anyone explain the mega bird to me?

[mystic cosmos]

Same

[boreal nebula]

Or evsn not putting segments of tables not in a perfect the straight line could add tiny errors after errors

[rain pond]

Is this the moon, sun, megabird or all three?

Megabird is the deity that created the Sky Children, Winged Light and presumably the Elders/Spirits.

[mystic cosmos]

That makes sense. I’m just thinking out loud here but it could also be that the main spirits memories take place after whatever happened, and the seasonal spirits are more randomly scattered throughout time. Does that make any sense?

[rain pond]

The reason why I am confused about whether or not it is megabird or not is because megabird is depicted in 2 ways - a large bird with trails coming off of it that represent every light creature and spirit, and the elusive "Bird of Light" depiction which is a perfect circle (shown in Tom Zhao's collection of Sky concept art)

moreover, the ball of light appears to vaguely resemble the icon that we see when we honk (showing us where to go)

[mystic cosmos]

Do you have these pictures?

[boreal nebula]

IMHO there were never two sides/factions, just the livings VS the dead/krills/angry creatures

The fact Tsady use any of the two shield is a sign of that, he was pro the different kinds of troopes. Leading both (throaing spears and fantry) in defence of the gate (which btw as a light switch outside, it would be a major flaw if there were 2 human factions)

[rain pond]

then why would there be a diamond spear piercing a sunburst shield? a freak accident?

[boreal nebula]

Megabird, in all the its subtle details

[rain pond]

moreover, why would they choose to put such poignantly contradictory symbols on if they were fighting on the same side? if they were fighting for the life of their collective kingdom, would they not choose to use the Light because it represents what their kingdom was/came from?

[hushed steeple]

Haha chicken scratch

[solemn sequoia]

where is that first one from? :0

[boreal nebula]

Yes, sadly in war it can happen. I imagine it as rikochet/bounced against a krill charge (btw the anti tank palisades could have been the only ground defences against krill airborne attack, as they chase us towards the ground)

[rain pond]

we see a perfect circle a few times - once is grandma's bread balls, another is the sun in Village of Dreams, and the third time is in Orbit/credits (note: footage of grandma's bread balls is from beta footage from january, not the actual colour in live game)

which raises the question - is megabird the sun?

and also - is grandma cooking bits of megabird for us?

[hushed steeple]

Random theory with no proof whatsoever:

Megabird is a spaceship that is gathering energy to travel to a higher dimension

[mystic cosmos]

And then what is King and Prince?

[hushed steeple]

Janitors of the ship's boiler room

[mystic cosmos]

Ah I see. It all makes sense now

[boreal nebula]

I dont think all things in concept art ended up to be acceptes into the live version. They were part of the evolution of the game (for example the "factories" and the temple we have now have many differences in my eyes)

And if even those were symbols/emblem with a meaning, I'd like to think of them as different battalion on the same side (after all even today IRL there can be different emblem, like, idk, Marines and Navy or Aviation)

[boreal nebula]

LOOL, in beta they used the original firefracker from Days of Fortune 2020?! LMAO

[boreal nebula]

Ending Credits, after you finish Eden and exit Orbit throught the Rebirth Gate

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, I dont think Megabird is the sun, after all sun takes different position depending the daytime/realm you are, while Eden and its beacon towards Orbit are always in a fixed position

Even if you fly high enough in Homespace or climb Village skiilift the sun moves and change its diameter

[boreal nebula]

Oops, I added the Enchatment Orbs too by mistake

[pastel brook]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[boreal nebula]

Yes, but only if it is a lore relevant one, please

[boreal nebula]

Some think the bums/dumpling could be either made out of crabs or darkplants bulbs IF I RECALL CORRECTLY

Not sure if there are new theories about those

[boreal nebula]

↖️ @rigid mural what do you think about that? A turtle?

[brittle reef]

guys, I do not know where to write about this, but I'm looking for an old version of sky, because what was there is very interesting
are there sources where you can get the old version, or is it impossible?
Yes, this is a stupid question, and I hope in vain to the answer

[boreal nebula]

My idea is this fanpic has a flaw. The bones of the whale in Forest dont have a spine on the up side. So either the whale landed there and died
So their ribs are pointing up naturally (which would be a cool anatomy feature for a fantasy creature) or they were lager moved there by some ancestors to give whale a nice grave spot. But in each case.. I m not a big fun a whale corrupted into krills theory

[hexed silo]

hey chat where's the lore google doc that was posted here before (i think it was pinned?)

[brittle reef]

I didn't understand

[boreal nebula]

You could try to watch YT videoes about Sky Light Awaits (Old Beta), there aren't many, but they are a valuable source for the history of the game developmen

[boreal nebula]

Idk which one you mean, there were many posted all the times, try to check if the one you searh is there 📌

I didnt visit lorechat in a while, so Ix'm not up to date with new docs

[brittle reef]

I watched all the videos, and now I'm looking for the game itself, maybe someone thought of copying the data and moving it
But it seems that only I thought about it

[kindred swan]

I have a question, was there ever a elder spirit for Eden? I don’t know much abt the lore I’m just curious!

[boreal nebula]

I dont think those servers would work now. After a new version is launched there is a short time before the game push you to update to keep playing. 🛑

[hushed steeple]

Hey, in Sky Lore there is a King? Because searching on the internet I found a guy on Tumblr who said there was a King in Sky and he said that was confirmed by TGC in this Server Discord, is it real?

[high dagger]

Yes it is real

[brittle reef]

I like the current version, it's pretty, but the old version has its own charm
and that charm was a little lost, but then there was no such obvious plot, it was something complicated

[high dagger]

The answer to this is both yes and no. There is not an Elder Spirit like in the other realms but we're like 70% certain that the King is trapped in Eden. As I understand it anyways

[boreal nebula]

Common theory is there should have been one , the Prince/King, but we only have theories about him, an little to just statues and symbols to have an idea about what it could have been before disappearing (good or bad, we dont know)

DISCLAIMER: The Little Prince is completely another thing, a cool guy which visited us with a crossover/colab and thus not enterily canon (it's up to us decided how much even the Starlight Desert and all its inhabitants are true or part of a wonderful dream )

[inner cloud]

the little prince was good at making us cry - that’s for sure

[high dagger]

For real. I want to replay these quests

[inner cloud]

Sky is one of the few games I have played and have loved the gameplay and lore the whole time

Even if this lore is vague, I think we can all agree we feel pretty connected to it

[rain pond]

the king/prince was the leader of the Eye of Eden - unsure if same person or not. It is speculated that the Prince became the king by completing the 4 trials from Season of Prophecy, or that the king is the prince in a giant mecha suit

[hushed steeple]

So, who was the King? Before the events of Sky there were six realms on the clouds, where was the King?

[inner cloud]

the mecha suit idea is cool - it makes me think that the prince got greedy or scared and used technology to protect himself which may have caused problems like the wasteland

[rain pond]

there is evidence to the statement that the king/prince split into all of the winged light, such as the official name "imprints of the children of light" and concept art showing that the prince/king returns light to you after you die in PNR - also apparently the winged light you get in orbit has the filename kinghug

filenames are dubiously canon, and so is concept art that could have been made before the idea of sacrifice was even implemented.

also the plural makes it a bit strange - all in all, we aren't sure about the fate of the king, apart from that "they aren't around to be saved anymore" - a quote from the devs

[boreal nebula]

With the time devs could try to polish it back. For example the short light trails we live after take off (create only moments after the flap) was readded recently, before Days of Fortune (in Febbruary this year) the trails were just made out of smoke

[high dagger]

So headcanon we trying to free Prince from a giant mecha suit that slowly corrupted him... Why does the sound a lot like Revolutionary Girl Utena? XD

[inner cloud]

LETS GET A MECHA SUIT OF LIGHT

[high dagger]

YES. SKY GUNDAM

[inner cloud]

Crabs are just baby crabs in a crab mecha

[high dagger]

they are the repair bots for the Mecha. The leaked out with the oil "blood" which is why they live mostly around darkwater

[rain pond]

filenames are dubiously canon, and so is concept art that could have been made before the idea of sacrifice was even implemented.

also the plural (imprints of the children of light, not the singular that the king/prince would be)makes it a bit strange. there is a theory I'll get into later.)

all in all, we aren't sure about the fate of the king, apart from that "they aren't around to be saved anymore" - a quote from the devs

[hushed steeple]

If there was a King, the Castle we can see after the death in Eden it belong to the king?

Sorry fo my bad English, I'm using a translator

[inner cloud]

it’s all good! and I believe it is the Castle he would belong in - or the spirits

[brittle reef]

it seems to me that I should read everything that is on sky, I am inspired by what is, and what was
What sources of information on sky can you recommend?

[hushed steeple]

me too, is there a source where can I read the confirmed lore of sky?

[rain pond]

I mean maybe? On one hand it makes sense that the King would have a castle. On the other hand, once we're past the gates it seems like a veritable city down there, and we even see the Vault of Knowledge (we see the Summit just after the whale breaks through a building, right before we ascend into orbit proper.) There is also a few fragments of what could be the actual castle that are the first thing we see once we're properly in orbit (where the sky turns dark blue and the stars come out, and we are above the clouds.)- I am unsure about which is which.

[hushed steeple]

The city below the castle could be the kingdom of eden in the past (?)

[rain pond]

it could be, but then it wouldn't be the castle... the ascent in general is incredibly confusing

[inner cloud]

if you look at the pins in this chat, they’re helpful with lore

[high dagger]

This is a doc that I know of with strictly the confirmed lore and speculation is clearly marked https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

Thanks

[boreal nebula]

I'd wish just the Twins Prosthetics, no mecha warefare. Sky is wholesome and needs to keep being

🦾 🦿

[high dagger]

The doc I just linked is good and there is also concept art but that isn't considered cannon since some concepts didnt make it into the final game at least not confirmed

[rain pond]

also, the mural of the King in vault shows the five-pointed structure. This 5-pointed motif was seen on both the giant structure during the ascent and the fragments after the ascent, but now the fragments after the ascent have been changed to no longer being the 5-pointed structure. Perhaps Kolbert is right and the 5-pointed structure represents the Kingdom, not the King.

It still does not explain why we see a Vault of Knowledge that appears to be crumbling (it's tilted/not upright) though. Even from the perspective of the Eden Social space Vault is still perfectly upright, and where is the ascent even happening from if we can still see Vault? The hole in the clouds is even right above Vault - WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

[uncut pond]

Wait, when was the fragments after the ascent changed?

[keen shore]

What do you mean by the “five pointed structure?” Can we get a picture so we know what you mean?