lore-discussion-spoilers

[raw crypt]

THEYRE NOT BASIC

[hushed steeple]

Regarding the pants, while base game pants all have the same skin tone, each seasonal pair of pants has its own skin tone, it can range from a noticable change like yeti, to a very slight change like gloat.

[weak osprey]

Sad-ist is a popular animator on YouTube. A lot of their animations feel like action packed movie trailers. The movements and camera actions are super smooth

[keen shore]

Mellow musician reads and comments on the valley eldars fic, and routinely pesters the author for more

[frigid tinsel]

What if ancestors had hair made of light and absorbing colored light made their hair turn that color

[keen shore]

Headcanon: their dream is to grow up and join the rhythm troupe

[rigid mural]

Scarecrow naurified, green and purple clash so bad

[keen shore]

I wish I had enchantment hair to check this with 💔

[frigid tinsel]

So someone with Little Prince pijamas and an enchantment cloak could check

[keen shore]

Isle elder is a redhead that’s why they got banished

[frigid tinsel]

Isle Elder with ginger beard

[hushed steeple]

I think that the slight blue hues in hair color is meant to emphasize shadows, or just to try and give the illusion of a shadow within the different layers of a hairstyle. Blue is used this way in art, so it makes sense, at least to me, that TGC does this with the textures of their hairstyles.

[outer hare]

JELLYFISH HAIR XD

[clear glacier]

that is definitely their dynamic

[hushed steeple]

Heres some examples of what I’m talking about. The slight discoloration is used as a shadow, it helps to give depth to a white colored hairstyle, fur, feathers, etc. that might otherwise appear flat.(or something like that) This is why you only see it on the tips of hairstyles or within the divits between hair parts. Or even at the root.

Now as to why mellow musicians hairstyle is greenish, I don’t have a solid answer nor idea why. I might be something to do with sky’s shaders, but thats very iffy in my opinion. But from experience with this sort of discoloration, I can tell you all that it does seem to typically only appear in areas with lighting similar to the closet.

[weak osprey]

Hey guys, what are the chances that the big diamond in Eden controls the weather?

[tranquil harbor]

Nonzero

[weak osprey]

It looks like a big malfunctioning battery. That causes the surrounding weather to go haywire because electromagnetism stuff and thus causes the hurricane of rocks and death to shower upon the land

[hushed steeple]

Y’know, Jellyfish Whisperer seems like the kinda person who really loves garlic bread and would rather spend their life with their jellyfish instead of a singular ancestor/spirit.

……you catch my drift?

[weak osprey]

Kinda.

[clear glacier]

Headcanon: Half the peeps in Sanctuary are just openly gay (based off this one tumblr post)

[white junco]

OH this is an ace joke, I haven’t heard the garlic bread stuff in a while it took me a second

[white junco]

your honor, consider: all the sanctuary spirits are openly gay

[clear glacier]

They just radiate gay your honor

[white junco]

so true

[hushed steeple]

Season of LGBTQIA+

[rigid mural]

Chill Sunbather. That's it, that's my argument. Lover of men.

[clear glacier]

okay so the positive tone indicator makes your message get deleted
that's something i gotta remember

[white junco]

chill sunbathers cape is a way better pride cape than the doR one imho

[hushed steeple]

For some reason to me they give off the straight person of the group vibe.

[rigid mural]

HELP ???

[clear glacier]

straight wine aunt vibe

[hushed steeple]

OH MY JAR YES!!!

I wonder if any of them are trans. What do you people think?

[white junco]

I wave my silly little magic wand and cast spell of everyone is trans

[clear glacier]

rallying thrillseeker screams trans
peeking postman too

[white junco]

daleth is trans 🏳️‍⚧️

[rigid mural]

Kakashi twin is trans

[white junco]

sah shows daleth trans memes on their phone

[clear glacier]

Imo Mekh is the one that's trans instead of Sah

[white junco]

they can both be trans

[hushed steeple]

Thank you for telling me. Please know I didn’t mean ill intent by it.

[clear glacier]

Okay but Percy and Mellow are just gay and Rhys and Enchant are gay

Rhys: Yo you with that musician guy yet?
Percy: You with Mister Orbs yet?
Rhys: Very funny.

[white junco]

i think prairie elder is genderfluid maybe

[keen shore]

They are all agender to me personally because I see gender ambiguous characters and go Yesss……………………..lack of genger just like me

[rigid mural]

Genger

[keen shore]

Yeas.

[novel marten]

Gengar

[clear glacier]

Cannoneer: Gender
Thrillseeker: Ginger

[rigid mural]

Salem:

[white junco]

my interpretation of canon spirits vs my headcanons r very different, everyone has no gender but also daleth is a trans man, hope that makes sense

[keen shore]

All jokes aside, I really like that all the characters in Sky are canonically genderless for a Lot of complicated reasons. It’s really nice to be treated as the normal/default for once (instead of media that does portray non-binary characters, but they’re not the norm), as well as see ppl with beards, dresses, and other stereotypical “gendered” methods of presenting themselves and STILL is agender. It makes my heart very very happy

[rigid mural]

Not our fault we play checkers while you play 5d chess.

[clear glacier]

really makes my nonbinary heart go

[keen shore]

I’m wearing the cat hood in game rn… I can’t even be mad… gengar ears

[white junco]

how to win at 5d chess: use time travel to summon infinite queens

[rigid mural]

The they/them are thriving in Sky, nature is healing.

[novel marten]

Also sometimes I just want to not worry about gender presentation and just dress up as a bird. Is that too hard to ask?

[fickle wing]

saw the gender gengar thing first thought was https://krillking.tumblr.com/post/646147982804303872

[white junco]

gender presentation my beloathed, let me be a silly little guy (neutral) without having to worry about other people perceiving me

[keen shore]

Irl pic of me

[rigid mural]

Identify as a threat like me.

[clear glacier]

I want to be cat

[hushed steeple]

There is one gender binary spirit amongst us./j

[fickle wing]

gender is my silly little soup i can mix things in when i want to

[white junco]

skykids should see me and despair

[rigid mural]

Krill ^^^

[keen shore]

I headcanon that ancestors in Sky use diffeeent pronouns than just they/them, as a form of expression and to distinguish ofhers, but they’re STILL all genderless, and not all of them are what you’d expect from a traditionally gendered standpoint. Like idk maybe the blushing prospector uses he/him. Praying acolyte uses xe/xem now just like me!! It would be really neat,

[clear glacier]

The spirits use neopronouns so true

[rigid mural]

Wait, you use xe/xem ? Poggers. Spirits using ey/em. Spirits using pronouns we don't even know about.

[fickle wing]

hey lore chat members who’ve played animal jam thoughts on concept boatswain w the monkey mask n graham

sorry 4 crispy pics my phone is a deep fryer

[white junco]

oh hey i use those pronouns

[hushed steeple]

They're the same picture.

[keen shore]

Esther, could you not make jokes like that in this context? (The Passion flower one) I know it’s probably not meant badly, but it’s too similar to a common transphobic joke motif for me to be comfortable with it. Ty !

[novel marten]

(Oogway voice) Ah, monkey

[white junco]

Angler ze/hir so true

[hushed steeple]

Sorry about that, I had no idea./lh

[keen shore]

I use xe/xem and they/them and switch between them at will. It’s very fun i like it

[fickle wing]

going insane over how concept boatswain had a ton of hair at first and then a little less but it’s scruffy and then they even have it in the abyss promo art and spirit cards but ingame?
Bald

[clear glacier]

Anyways there's something about season of performance that is so nostalgic to season of dreams (my first season) and me being a theatre kid at heart that I just went and cleared half my storage in my phone to redownload sky pfft

[rigid mural]

Alopecia

[clear glacier]

tgc nerfed them
we couldve had our flag means death/hj

[keen shore]

WHERE DID YOU GET RHIS ART FROM. I WANT TO SEE THE FURSONA MASK NOTES

[novel marten]

He should have used Keeps, the sponsor of this comment

[keen shore]

Where do you think the fur on their cape came from? /j

[sharp lichen]

Boatswain got shaved by barber moths

[keen shore]

Ok this reminded me. How do cannoneer and commodore take care of their hair, there’s no way they have shampoo. I don’t even think they know what it is

[fickle wing]

DONT HAVE TJW LINK ON HAND SINCE IT WAS A PAL WHO FOUND IT N I FORGOR ALREADY

[keen shore]

WAS IT THE BUNCH OF ART THAT GOT LEAKED EARLIER UP IN CHAT??

[clear glacier]

grab dark stone and use its power to make a hair dryer/flattener

[fickle wing]

blorbos (had to censor a no no word)

[novel marten]

You know I always wondered that too, especially because they dive in the ocean so much. Do you KNOW what saltwater does to your hair?!?!?

[hushed steeple]

Remember Flight Guides old blue/teal/greenish hombre outfit? I honestly prefer that one to the current one, the current one is still good, just I prefer more bright sort colorful colors.

[fickle wing]

MAYBE??? idk i wasn’t around n didn’t read up heklp

[rigid mural]

You will be surprised at the hygiene vikings (who inspired Abyss) had !

[clear glacier]

Percy: Can you tell me what your relationship with Enchant is?
Rhys: I’m Enchant’s right-hand arm. Man. I’m Enchant's everything. I'm their confidant, their best friend. Their silly rabbit.
Percy: Their what?
Rhys: Their silly rabbit.
Percy: Their silly rabbit?
Rhys: Yes.
Percy: Is that what they call you?
Rhys: No.

[hushed steeple]

WE COULD OF HAD AN OMINOUS OLD LADY RAVEN SPIRIT!!!!!!!??????

[fickle wing]

this bit has me thinking a lot
would skykid lights turn blue if they got exposed to pollution for like a while or

[novel marten]

Well our light is kinda blueish/white when we die in eden so

[keen shore]

ALSO more notes

• ancestors can lose eyes?
• also their eyes would normally be glowing gold like ours?

[hushed steeple]

There is a hand full of masks that have blue eyes actually. Like the enchantment masks and the valley masks.

[rigid mural]

When we use a wing flap, we briefly turn blue

[clear glacier]

father daughter dynamic so true

[fickle wing]

they’re so

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure most masks have blue eyes, though from what I remember/can tell it’s just on the spirit, not us

[novel marten]

I wish we got that krill horn instrument

[hushed steeple]

I was actually referring to when we wear the masks. Those masks when we wear them have blue eyes. Most of them have orang eyes though.

[white junco]

i dunno about the rest of the spirits but angler stuff looks like this on skykids

[keen shore]

Broke: abyss guide is commodores kid
Woke: they’re all basically their kids at this point, commodore is jsut in denial

[novel marten]

In his introduction post it says he makes bad jokes at everyone so he’s basically adopted them all at this point. The dad jokes never stop

[rigid mural]

I need Alasdair to be online right now. His take on commodore is 😘 🤌

[white junco]

found my spirit cosplays, here’s cannoneer but skid

[clear glacier]

cannoneer is definitely a 10/10 in my books
idk if any of you know or watch eret but cannoneer reminds me of them

[keen shore]

Who do you think inspired my post?

[hushed steeple]

Lightseeker mask as reference for a usual eye color.

And then the other masks have blue eye x 2. And the performance masks are kinda greenish blueish.

[clear glacier]

these pictures just scream "no candles?" im sorry

[novel marten]

No AP?

[hushed steeple]

Its true, I have nearly no candles. You better keep your candles in particular under extra security from now on.

[hushed steeple]

I joined sky last year may 31st, and I’m wearing an ap hood./lh

[novel marten]

I was saying that as a joke more for my sake because I don’t have AP

[harsh pecan]

No AP gang

[hushed steeple]

Ooooohhhhhhhhh

I have 4 seasonal pendants. don’t egg me on cause I will rub my luxery in your face./j

[harsh pecan]

Luckyyy, I have an AP but I can’t use it on myself

[hushed steeple]

Use it on this bread[🍞 ] then eat the bread. It will transfer the ap over to you.

[harsh pecan]

Good idea

[stable veldt]

Man, it's been a long time since i heard about animal jam again

[hushed steeple]

Also, there is a chance it could be lethal. But its only an unknown chance so I think you’re fine.

[stable veldt]

where did krii got their concept arts?

[native shoal]

The only one I’ve gotten ap for was my starting season, I got the pants I wanted and completed my favorite spirit so I’m happy

[tough coral]

Sniv's nightly Sky headcanons time (because all my friends are asleep right now and my brain is still vibrating)!
Back before Eden went kablooie, there were a lot of different ways the Ancestors thought of Skykids. Some of them thought of them as just regular ol' kids who act a little funny, some of them thought they were weird, disrespectful hooligans that go against everything their society stands for, some of them thought of them as sort of fairy-tale fae, strange children of the world itself who follow no rules but their own, and who should be respected, and others just thought theh were Funny Lil Guys.

attitudes shifted over time, of course, but generally everyone had wildly different opinions on skykids! in the same small village you'd probably be able to find someone who's half-adopted like five of them (they don’t live there but that is most definitely their parent now), someone who hates skykids because they don't listen to rules and also put a crab in their house through the open window once, and someone who leaves a bunch of lit candles in their yard for the local skykids like a birdfeeder because they think its funny. and theyd all be neighbors

[harsh pecan]

what- nvm

[rigid mural]

"Skykid birdfeeder" is sending me, thank you spirits putting out candles to give us (our purses) a better chance to survive the frigid winter (several expensive TS and days of events in a row).

[clear glacier]

bursts in
Okay so so hear me out
Juggler/Storyteller

[tranquil harbor]

u saw the twitter art didn't u

[clear glacier]

yes i saw it
gorgeous
there

[outer hare]

I would get trapped in that-

[opaque palm]

So I had a mini theory lore, Idk how close it is but it's just a theory.
This theory has 'If Stars/Winglights used to be Sky kids during the 'pre-Eden corruption era'

If Stars/winglights used to be sky kids of the Eden 'before-corruption' days and the wipeout of all realms (since we only ever see spirits as their graves and not counting seasons because they only come as travellers after the season is over).

There are two Stars in The Treehouse of forest. What if the treehouse was constructed by the two sky kids as a show of their friendship? Or the Treehouse spirits helped make the treehouse. We know that there's one star that is in the bottom of the tree and another on the highest tree nook.

What if during the downfall and corruption of Eden, one of the kids took shelter under the tree to avoid the wipeout whilst waiting for their friend who went out to see the damage at the highest nook of the tree? Only to be caught by Eden's corruption wipeout. Their stars/winglights forever signifying where they last stood. ||Separated from one another||

[rigid mural]

I find it interesting we continue to find things in multiples of 6 in this game; 6 red triangles on the foreground rocks, 6 more on the mountain, 6 rocks drawn floating around the peak and 6 rays around the light above. Notice how they are also divided in groups of 3 on each side...
Kinda repeats the pattern of 6 realm portals split in two groups of 3 in the home space.

Oh ! Right below the light above, there's a red diamond ! It's a bit more subtle since it's next to something shiny, but this might prove ancestors either ventured far enough to know of its presence in Stormlock, or the records kept on the event were widespread enough for ancestors to get an idea of what lies there...

[peak dagger]

I'm curious about more wizard stories and personalities this season

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if the diamond was there before the disaster. Like, it was working fine then it broke or something

[opaque palm]

Max design of the number of wls on your cape is also 6! After that it starts tiering up.

[iron path]

Hello!

[rugged jackal]

And now for no reason, a headcanon on seasons that I’ve wanted to share for a while.
The seasonal areas (or basically most areas that were added into the game later) were always part of the world of Sky, until the corruption. It caused many of the areas surrounded by clouds to close in on themselves, and caused boats to fall out of the sky, or fly away from their spots. Some ancestors however were different, including the ancestors in these areas, and they were not fully dead. Their souls were still floating around somewhere, waiting to be found..

anyways thanks for reading bye

[rigid mural]

Ohhh that's pretty close to what I think ! Maybe sky kids helped by dreams spirits managed to free the passageway to the village theater in time for the season of Performance

[soft timber]

YAS PLEASE

[frigid tinsel]

Of course y’all were talking about the Abyss spirits the night I go to bed early smh

[frigid tinsel]

I’m sorry
@hushed steeple

[frigid tinsel]

I think something similar. Perhaps the initial Eden calamity sent out the Storm max force, covering the whole or most of the kingdom in clouds. Overtime, in part as the Storm loses energy and in part due to the light-rich presence of skykids, the Storm recedes and the cloudcover shrinks, unveiling new areas to us. It’s a valid thought to have, especially since some pathways to seasonal areas are revealed by moving clouds (Valley coliseum used to be full of clouds until Dreams, Dreams Village to Performance Theater, Wind Paths, entrance to Caves of Prophecies, and I suspect entrance to the Sanctuary Islands but I can’t confirm that).

Also, as shown during Season of Flight, light creatures are able to clear clouds to make passages. With the passages’ disuse, they close up. The Flight crew used chimes to direct migratory light creatures to create the wind paths we have. The Eden calamity is thought to have caused a mass extinction event and swelled the world in darkness. We also know, from Flight quest 4, that the Wasteland wind path allowed darkness to spread and chased away light creatures. So it’s feasible there were less light creatures around during the post-Storm period that allowed clouds to spread.

[clear glacier]

YESS

[harsh pecan]

LMAO 😭 😭 😭

[tough coral]

Hehehehe glad u like the headcanon

I just think its really funny to imagine that some of the spirits just consider skykids 2 be Funny Weird Birds honestly. because also think skykids are kinda just Funny Weird Birds sometimes. They do very silly things and would probably fly right into a window and make a comical slapstick bonk sound because they're not watching where they're flyjng

[queen pike]

gotta love a good aldasair essay post :)

[sharp lichen]

Skykids are essentially the culmination of all the ancestor’s goofiness

[tough coral]

As for my daily dose of Sky headcanons... OO, this is a fun one
Though the Valley Twins are skykids, almost none of the other Elders actually knew that. They were the only Elders that the king actually chose, since the city within the Valley was actually fairly new- And, of course, the king, being a skykid themself... Chose their childhood friends. The twins actually planned this in advance- They were already pretty tall for Skykids, so all they really had to do was stash their wingcloaks somewhere hidden.
Why they were pretending to be Ancestors was... Complicated. The king was a skykid, and not even a "grown up" one- Just some kid with too much responsibility- So before this point, the twins kept sneaking them out of the palace to go have some fun. The King pitched the idea to let them be the Elders of the Valley, they all knew that nobody would agree to let a couple of kids run an entire city (hahaha...), so they... Just pretended to be Ancestors, and it worked, which meant they could sneak the king out to go have some fun together without committing, like, treason or whatever.
The Wasteland elder was the only one who knew what was going on. They helped those three dorks not get caught. Thanks, grandpa.

[sonic ocean]

what if. skykids cannot see glass (source: i bonk into glass at least once every time i go to office)

[tough coral]

oh thatd be really funny actually... they just dont understand it. They don't get why they can touch it but not see it

[sonic ocean]

(bonk) (bonk) (bonk) (confused honking noise) (bonk) (sound of a skykid flying into glass at fast mph) (honk)

some spirit is watching from afar and losing their mind because none of the skykids ever learn

[tough coral]

oh oh oh related headcanon!!! skykids can see ultraviolet light. sorta how a lot of birds and insects can! except skykids can see all the normal colours too they just get an extra one

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids get the shrimp colors

[tough coral]

Skykids get the shrimp colours!!! i mean theyre children of light so... i think they should be able to see the forbidden colours

[native shoal]

Sky kids get the shrimp colors but they still can’t see glass

[sonic ocean]

glass is a forbidden color

[native shoal]

Sky kids with like 16 color cones instead of the 3? I think? That we have

Instead of a rgb system it’s whatever colors are able to be seen when you have 16 types of color cones

[tough coral]

bold of you to assume they have colour cones theyre just a bunch of light in a people shaped sack

[regal forge]

Those color glitches are skids getting momentary access to shrimp vision

[tough coral]

Those colour glitches are us getting momentary access to skykid vision. imagine, for all the childish wonder they have at the beautiful, bright, magical world around them.... and they get a million extra colours to make it even more wonderful

[regal forge]

Also if sky kids can’t see glass picture them getting stunned like birds do and the elders wrapping them in a blanket like a burrito to try and help—

[tough coral]

the valley twins are known among the elders for "not knowing what glass is". Somehow nobodys put 2 and 2 together

[regal forge]

Do you think the windows everywhere tend to be bars because NO ONE can see glass?!???

[tough coral]

nope! The ancestors can see it just fine! nobody understands why the skykids cant see it (they can see it) (they just dont pay attention)

[regal forge]

Valley elders put a giant glass screen at the end of the race so skids run into it at full speed
Vault elder is not pleased with the new amount of complaints about them—

[tough coral]

the valley elders hit it more than any other skykids. they are not the smartest

[regal forge]

they would 100% forget it’s there

Hypothetically, how do you think the valley elders would react to sky kids melting all the snow (don’t mind the specifics) and flooding their temple in the process
…
Hypothetically

[tough coral]

oh they'd be joining in.

[regal forge]

Coliseum becomes a massive swimming pool
Wonder what’s hiding under all that ice

[sterile pivot]

can someone send me the sky lore?

[native shoal]

I know that the skids would get in massive trouble

[regal forge]

if you can catch them

[abstract goblet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tough coral]

honestly? I think flooding the valley would be a valley twins idea. They’re bored being responsible and in charge they wanna cause trouble and do stupid things and also if you melt all the snow itd refreeze into ice and watching all the Ancestors slip and fall every ten seconds would be worth it

[rugged jackal]

Wassup lorechat

[tough coral]

Hello! Im sharing my silly goofy headcanons

[regal forge]

Poor older ancestors
Their backs

[sterile pivot]

ty

[tough coral]

i got an actually serious headcanon for moths- i think when a skykid first falls to the world and wakes up, they get about... thirty seconds, give or take, before they actually start thinking. Just enough time to take in their surroundings and accept the fact that They Exist so they don't freak out when they open their eyes!
by extension, i think that instead of being all tired when they wake up like humans do, skykids will briefly enter that "no thoughts head empty" state when they wake up in the morning. its very funny because when they’re like this you can basically hand them anything and they'll accept it

[regal forge]

Hand sky kid the wasteland elder:
Sky kid: hold
Wasteland elder: is hold

[tough coral]

pffffffft....

[regal forge]

What is the limit of things sky kids can actually pick up??
They can handle crabs literally half their size and carry each other
But they also need help lifting that door in vault
Do you think realistically one COULD pick up the wasteland elder

[tough coral]

related to this- skykids have these unspoken rules for dealing with moths! essentially, you do not interact with a moth until they interact with someone first. The moth always has to make first contact- Not because of any superstitions or anything, but because everyone remembers being a fresh lil mothlet and they all know that you really don't wanna have to deal with people before youve started to wonder what you are and why you're here.
however. once the moth interacts with even just one other skykid, the rules are off. they know theyre not alone. you can get silly goofy with them now.

The exceptions to this are if 1: the moth is in danger (in which case you help them because why wouldn't you), or 2: if the moth is still asleep when you find them (in which case if you wanna you can sit with them until they wake up so their first memory can be a friendly face :D)

[regal forge]

I’d break that unspoken Rule everyday—
“Look- a child”
s t e a l s

[tough coral]

you gotta be really gentle and patient in the latter case tho. thats a whole person who literally knows nothing. moths are like a whole seperate beast to skykids sometimes. theyre confused, reckless, sometimes terrified. if you're gonna be there for them from the start you have to be there for them or else it's genuinely better to just leave them to their own devices

[regal forge]

They’re about to know the secrets of the universe—

[native shoal]

If the wasteland elder was attached to a pulley system, it would probably take just two

[carmine garnet]

Just wanted to comment on the new constellation design for the crown and how much it looks like what the sky kids would draw for the king

[regal forge]

Constellation shapes are all just scribbles sky kids made and the elders said “ok”

[rugged jackal]

Yeah I saw that too before the update— in the vault elder cutscene we get the shots of the constellations revealing their full meaning and that’s great and all, but then we get the shot of a crown that looks oddly like the ‘favorite friends’ constellation.
Made me wonder what would happen when you filled it up and then maxed out friendship with everyone on there, but it’s probably nothing.
Worth noting, though.

[rigid mural]

Same constellation as...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiopeia_(constellation)

[Cassiopea] was forced to wheel around the North Celestial Pole on her throne [as a punishment], spending half of her time clinging to it so she does not fall off [...]

[carmine garnet]

Interesting that the myth involves someone in power falling

[uncut fern]

Theory time: The rain from forest starts as soon as the child enters the forest, what if that rain comes from the forest elder crying, missing their friends?

[rugged jackal]

Aww

[native shoal]

Just remembering how forest mama snatches that light

[foggy lotus]

what going on in here

oh well lorechat dead imma just post a smol theory i have gimmie a sec

[sharp lichen]

It’s been 30 minutes this theory isn’t smol

[sharp lichen]

Semi knows that I’ll just find a moth, determine what language they speak, and then tell them the entirety of Sky lore in their language

[regal forge]

Scream—
Everyone nearby just hears frantic and non-stop honking from a sky kid

[sharp lichen]

But seriously, I’ve got moth raising down to a science. Let me tell you a tidbit: the very first thing you should ask when meeting any moth is “What language do you speak”

[regal forge]

Fair enough

[cunning shell]

That is a very good idea. I adopted a moth and neither of us have a language in common

[patent elk]

Wait, hold up. I'm currently watching the elders in Eden and I'm seeing a diamond shaped pattern on their clothing. What??

this

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, skids have chest lights, ancestors have chest lights, and elders have chest lights. Everyone has chest lights.

[keen shore]

Ancestors having chest lights seems to be a maybe, but it’s very likely that they do. Like, it’s a 90% chance, but still disprovable.

They might be shown in season introduction cards (although they could be interpreted as those spirit stars they have in their chests) and the kid in the switch trailer has one (although it’s a somewhat common idea that that was the king so maybe not an ancestor). I believe they do, it’s just not easily confirmahle as a 100% considering they’re all Dead

[frigid tinsel]

Note that it’s spirits who have chest lights in-game and in illustrations. Living ancestors may not have them.

[hushed steeple]

Hi Lore chat, how do we feel about this little blurb I thought of:
What if the six realms each have a piece of Eden, in the sense that each realm prepares you for Eden in its own way?
Isle foreshadows the way forward
Forest is your first encounter with danger
Wasteland has krill, of course
We could refine it, but how does it seem so far?

[tranquil harbor]

Considering half the realms are missing? Kinda flimsy tbh

[jovial pond]

THIS GAME HAS LORE???

[calm jay]

i think it's interesting! like the whole journey prepares you for eden

[calm jay]

yeah! it's not really mentioned much in the game itself and mostly up for fan interpretation but there is definitely lore! i suggest looking at the pins in this channel to find out more if you're interested :)

[tranquil harbor]

Shockingly enough, yes! /lh

[cunning shell]

I do think the whole journey prepares you for Eden, but I wouldn’t say that a piece of Eden exists in each realm, especially not Valley. It’s almost more of a standard gameplay mechanic. Isle teaches you basic controls, Prairie teaches you flight, Forest teaches you water, Valley teaches you precision, Wasteland teaches you reflexes and about darkness, and Vault teaches you… idk, that things are not always as they seem? But I don’t think that means there’s a piece of Eden in each realm.

[frozen pier]

My same reaction the first time I saw this channel

[tranquil harbor]

Vault brings everything together at the end before the final push. (but it loses the punch that kind of area has because this game tells us basically nothing and has us making up 97% of the story ourselves)

[frozen pier]

I agree! But sometimes I like to think that the Eden King subtly guides us to them throughout the realms. The entire “follow the light” is the same as the “reach the light” in pnr and we ultimately do reach it after orbit, which is where I’d assume we meet the King (I headcannon that once they meet us like how we meet all the other elders in the end of the realm…they just erase it from our memory so we don’t grow close to them)

[patent elk]

true that

[hushed steeple]

Yeah the "piece of Eden" thing was bad wording on my part
I don't really know how to explain it, but like…every realm, or the Elder of every realm kinda adds a little bit to the foreshadowing of what's to come. I'm not clear on how that happens because I just thought of this today…
But like
All 6 realms combined = Eden was how I thought of it originally

[patent elk]

speaking of what lore we have, anyone else agree that those concept arts have a bit of weight in the Sky world? Those are brilliant btw

[tranquil harbor]

I take everything with a grain of salt

[patent elk]

yup

[hushed steeple]

Random but what if all the animals we find also like spirits/ghosts and that's why even there are plenty of fossils the animals are translucent and don't appear to have bones

[patent elk]

hmmm, don't think so. aside from being called Light creatures, that turtle in sanctuary islands look very alive to me, you know what I mean? like, it's the only animal that involves the old world

[hushed steeple]

True true
But then what do all those gigantic fossils scattered around the maps mean? Are they the fossils of Krill?

[frigid tinsel]

according to Zhao's concept art, light creatures only leave bones if they died an unnatural death. the Eden calamity is thought to have been a mass extinction event. make of that what you will.

[thorny zealot]

Lore

[patent elk]

speaking of, is anyone here from when they played the game in 2018-2019??

[sly lake]

Do you mean in pre-live beta, or post global launch Live? As Sky launched midway into 2019.

[patent elk]

maybe? because my sister just found a treasure trove of lore from someone in tumblr, and BOI were we fed with good stuff

[hushed steeple]

OMGH linkk

[sly lake]

I don't think it's bad if it's just concept art or something, it may just be triggering an auto filter from the bot.

I haven't seen the post you're referring to though, I just remember there was concept art shared by PurpleAlmonds before!

(I'm not on tumblr so I only see what is shared here. )

Oh the elder bodies in Eden? That was beta shortly, like extremely shortly, from what I've heard. As in, just a few days, and it was OOB. I think there are post from the moderator Mirian with photos here in this discord.

[patent elk]

Yes! Elder bodies and others that 'died' at the point blank explosion me thinks

[sly lake]

Here's the eden elder OOB images! Right here in this very channel.

Here is a video as well!

[patent elk]

Still tho. This was some good stuff despite. We were literally vibeating from the exposure

[sharp lichen]

Vault was supposed to teach you about the past civilization of Sky, but it was scrapped

[sly lake]

Here were the PurpleAlmonds posts I mentioned, I managed to find them: https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678726905570213888/early-character-concept-work-for-sky-children-of
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678640084984184832/finally-got-around-to-getting-permission-to-share
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678998700042928128/environment-concepts-for-sky-children-of-the

Remember that those are old and discarded concepts in the case of the eden elder oob, etcetera, so we may not know why those areas were removed from the game. However it does showcase that there is in fact a story to be uncovered!

[calm jay]

yeah!! when i first found out about it, it broke my brain. i'm very interested in pre-release/light awaits/cut content i have a whole playlist dedicated to it on youtube :)

[sharp lichen]

BAHAHAHAAAAAA

Why, yes, terrain, this game has lore. Would you like to learn about it?

[crimson grove]

@calm jayI'll be deleting the post you sent, as well as a few messages about this. If you know something is hacked, please don't share it

Edit: I tagged them because of the link, but this goes to everyone that was involved in the discussion

A few other links that refer to the same post have been filtered for a reason. It's very disrespectful to speculate upon content that isn't legitimately shared

[calm jay]

understood, sorry.

[crimson grove]

With that said, if anyone has any questions about the old Eden explosion OOB, feel free to ask!

[lilac thistle]

Hello! I have a genuine question :0!
Is there anyone who could give me the docs of the basic lore of sky? I would love to find out at least the basic stuff so I can come up a story for my sky oc

[calm jay]

here's some good ones!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit &
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[sharp lichen]

Hello! I assumed you came from Sad-ists video?

In any case, welcome to lorechat! The documents posted above could help you, but there are 4 basic facts that we know.
||There was a figure who became the Elder of the Eye of Eden.
They were permanently destroyed and cannot be saved in any way.
This Elder is responsible for the destruction found in Eden.
Light creatures were abused to make power diamonds, which are powerful batteries that store and transmit light.||

[lilac thistle]

AKSKDKD GAHAHAH kind of! I honestly haven’t been paying so much attention to the lore and started playing around… 2 months ago? I would say! I just wanted to get my facts straight about the lore but thank you two so much!! This would really help me for my sky oc :D

[patent elk]

i came back after eating, what did I miss?

[sharp lichen]

A new animatic from a popular YouTuber came, and already google trends for Sky is spiking

[native shoal]

Hold on sad-ist made a sky animatic?

[calm jay]

who

[native shoal]

Animatic maker, well known in mcyt circles

[sharp lichen]

Yes, they did. It’s exciting because it’ll hopefully draw more people to lorechat

[native shoal]

It’ll draw more people to the game

[sharp lichen]

It’ll draw more people to both

[patent elk]

same!!! just finished watching it!!!

[lofty void]

prepare for the moths folks

[outer hare]

I dont like moths TwT

[patent elk]

oh gosh you're right XD

[sharp lichen]

They’re rough and course and irritating and they get everywhere /j

[outer hare]

I dont do anything to them - but i dont like leading them around TwT

[patent elk]

I welcome months, I'm still a month myself and so is my sister

gtg now, sleep time

[outer hare]

Goodnight! Have a great sneep ^^

[hushed steeple]

We are Grim Reaper’s? And the wings are souls we have to take to heaven and leave our humans body’s disguise behind to deliver the souls and be sent in a new “reborn human” known as human disguise to deliver more souls?

[frigid tinsel]

not grim reapers – skykids aren't killing folk. better said, they're psychopomps, entities who help souls of the dead move on to the afterlife. spirits are dead ancestors, they've been petrified in the world by darkness. skykids use their own light to free the spirits and shepherd them to Elder temples, who ascend them.

[patent elk]

why did I just remember this as I go to bed?? anyway, does anyone want the height comparison to Sky kid(chibi) with the Elders???

[outer hare]

Thank goodness- i was getting concerned

[patent elk]

what??

[outer hare]

Sorry i forgot to reply- my message was regarding the messages above yours

[patent elk]

I'll just put this under spoiler tag but it's safe. have fun I go to sleep now

[high dagger]

Idk why I thought Wasteland was the tallest

[outer hare]

Actually yeah......

[frigid tinsel]

the Prairie Elder's height is probably incorrect but otherwise these were the calculations done by someone here in early lorechat

aside from Vault Elder, the Elders are huge and the skids are teeny

[high dagger]

Yeah they huge in comparison. Even the average spirit is much taller. Imo though Prairie wasn't larger than the other Elders and if he was... Not by that massive gap. Almost twice as high as Forest in that graphic lol

Isnt there an oob area where all the elders can be seen to refrence their heights?

[frigid tinsel]

Yes but due to the placement of their models, it wouldn’t be accurate to just look at them all from one angle

[keen shore]

I rlly like the idea of skykids being baby elders bc imagine vault elder looking at how tiny we are, sighing, and being like “you too?”

[stark quarry]

Isn't there one drawing in one of sky Livestream where they draw prarie elder standing carrying a lot of sky kid on their back?

Its on different angle too

[foggy lotus]

this
this triangle pattern tho

[keen shore]

That triangle pattern is EVERYWHERE. Ancestors be like I love the triamgle

[outer hare]

Half a diamond.....fashionable

i left a bobbit in the chat

[frigid tinsel]

Somewhere in Zhao’s concept art he states that the 🔺 represents how the ancestors couldn’t fly thus “grounded.” Let me see if I can find it

Bottom text

Objects associated with the ancestors weighted at the bottom to show they are grounded beings who are incapable of natural flight

[keen shore]

Wait a minute. The Diamond inside Diamond symbol is outside the valley elder temple if that’s not a triangle /weighted on the bottom…, did that mean they could fly?.

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe the Valley Elder(s) could fly utilizing cyan light.
Oh, consider their old cutscene — they did fly in a way

[cunning shell]

The Valley elders flying would definitely fit their chaotic vibe

[keen shore]

It’s inside the wasteland temple as well iirc and outside the door to vault

Ok consider. Wasteland elder using orange light to work like hot air balloon

[lucid egret]

Peak funny

[frigid tinsel]

Oh hey would you look at that: https://youtu.be/pkdCC26thq8

consider: the Valley Elder(s) can fly, but they have to coordinate to it. they cannot fly.

[sharp lichen]

I’d have a higher chance of flying then The Valley Elders

[foggy lotus]

i found another

[frigid tinsel]

At this point it’s a question of where are there not triangle and diamond symbols

[rain lance]

...Where manta symbols are

[outer hare]

The eyes are diamond shaped

[keen shore]

You know that meme about flying by standing on each other’s hands progressively higher into the sky? That’s how they fly

[outer hare]

stacking

[keen shore]

From what I can remember, the frantic stagehands dress is the first time we get clothes with a spirit diamond on them! Don’t know if that’s improtant or not

[uncut pond]

It's noteworthy... I think

[frigid tinsel]

don't all the abyss spirits' capes have diamonds on them? or we talking about different diamonds?

[keen shore]

No I mean like the diamond symbol on spirit shawls

[calm jay]

i think this is what salem is talking about?

[keen shore]

No,…! Go up look on th e chest right near our chest light.wait I’ll do it

Misremembered the diamond, but we finally got the shawl which is cute :-)

[keen shore]

There are a Lot of spirits with head coverings/hoods in some form. I wonder if it was a religious/culture thing in their world too and not just a fashion thing?? Hmm

[frigid tinsel]

something I like is that both fem- and masc-appearing spirits have head coverings

[keen shore]

Yeahhhh !

[keen shore]

Oh this is AMAZING. I love it, the bird feeder idea killed me

I wonder if any of the spirits have nicknames for us in their heads. Like Car Alarm (because we always honk) Little Dude, so on

[frigid tinsel]

leaving a candle cake for the flocks of skykids in my backyard

[keen shore]

Imagine ancestors doing that for mantas/other light creatures, then one day they wake up and there are like 7 children asleep in the candle cake instead

[frigid tinsel]

spirit: tending their candle garden
skykids: fire fire fire fire fire

[winter shale]

Hey so I'm pretty new to the whole lore thing and I'm trying to gather info on the season of prophecy right now, i noticed on the walls there's little drawings of the elders + the child of prophecy, but the only elder not there is forest elder and isle elder. I was wondering if anyone has any theories on why they aren't on the walls, or am i digging too deep?

[frigid tinsel]

Isle Elder is there. and I'm pretty sure it depicts Forest Elder getting blue light

[winter shale]

Ah darn really? Thanks for clarifying that.

[willow prawn]

I once saw an artist doing a bunch of skykids like different animals and now I'm thinking in those visiting people's gardens but some ancestors hate em because they get inside the house and eat their candles

[calm jay]

i remembered hearing earlier that the king statues in wasteland were turrets and this huge statue on the wasteland temple has a cannon-like pipe on it. what was its purpose? i assume they were built before the corruption because it's not active and targeting krill (alternatively, i wonder why they were deactivated?)

[keen shore]

“WHO GAVE THIS CHILD A RABBIT MASK?? THEY WONT STOP EATING MY VEGETABLES. I TRIED TO PUT UP A FENCE AND THEY MANIFESTED A TABLE OUT OF NOWHERE AND PHASED THRIUGH IT”

[outer hare]

Perhaps because golden wasteland wouldve been a vast space. This structure could be like a beacon. to guide the people of wasteland to their state city.

[frigid tinsel]

a beacon would be aiming upward though

[keen shore]

My guess is that they aren’t still functional just because the inner light/whatever’s powering it (prophecy mural suggests orange light) has faded over time. Like they ran out of batteries

[willow prawn]

Maybe the ones putting wind walls are the ancestors who don't want skykids messing around

[outer hare]

Would a lighthouse work or just it being some kind of landmark work?

[keen shore]

Probably not a lighthouse — there aren’t any near the ocean where having a lighthouse would matter. Landmarks I guess, but the way they’re placed — especially around the temple — seem to imply that they were used as defense weapons, like they’re guarding something

[frigid tinsel]

only thing after the Wasteland Elder's temple is the Vault and Eden

[high dagger]

A Vault full of Knowledge could be something to protect esp forbidden knowledge stuff

[keen shore]

I can see both areas as being Wxtremely worthy of guarding. Even just the wasteland temple would qualify for that amount of defensive stuff

[frigid tinsel]

well a bunch of nerds and your holyland are worth defending

[outer hare]

Maybe the power that was used for our supposed mechanism was powered down so that it could be distributed among the opening of the huge gate and the vault door?

[calm jay]

if you consider the two shields theory and a war of some sort with wasteland as the battleground, maybe some enemy was trying to get through the temple and vault to eden to take out the king?

[keen shore]

Messing around with the possible idea that the wasteland elder wasn’t really a regional ruler like the others if that makes sense? but just the leader of the army and their temple is just in front of the places most Worth guarding

There are a few reasons behind this. First is that the soldier spirits imply an army Did exist and it would be weird for each realm to have an army separate from each other. Second is that fhe valleu temple being at the End of the city makes sense for gameplay, but not for if you’re actually living in the city (you’d think it’d be at the center). Third is that wasteland just seems super empty compared to everywhere else like… what was all fhaf space used for ??

[sharp shore]

Does that propose a civil war?

Ok because that is what I thought as well

[sharp shore]

My thought is that the entire realm itself is a massive military base. I feel like the kingdom had a tendency to overuse material, such as the power of light

[outer hare]

I believe that most of the things made in wasteland post apocalypse may have degraded over time or buried by sand. Even then i think that it the was a largely vast space used mainly for mining and trading among the more poorer of the sky kigdom.

[high dagger]

I get that idea just based on his cutscene. He seems more like a defender of the city rather than a ruler

[outer hare]

I was thinking a general which got pushed to the temple area as a final defence of the vault.

[sharp shore]

His behaviour in the cutscene couldve been grief, but that does make sense. Im still confused on who the so called “commander of chief” of the royal armed forces in the kingdom were (it highly likely would’ve been the king, who bestowed instructions and secondary duties to the gw elder)

So gw elder would have definitely been the defender, not necessarily commander

[keen shore]

they are vaults bodyguard

[sharp shore]

:O oh my god that is a very interesting concept ! I have never heard of that

[high dagger]

He very much has that determined Knight vibe so I could see that

[sharp shore]

I knew vault would have some dirty secrets and betraying truths and if they were revealed that would spur more tension than there already was before

[keen shore]

Consider: vault is the one who has the dirty secrets (blackmail) on everyone else

[sharp shore]

Yeah

[outer hare]

"the quiet ones are the most dangerous"

[sharp shore]

Yea i dont trust the elder (disregard my nickname)

[keen shore]

Traitor /j

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder also could’ve been involved in experiments that were not liked by the whole kingdom

[keen shore]

I’m trying to figure out how to explain the blackmail elevator joke

[outer hare]

Conspiring with the king- a loyal minion 👀

[sharp shore]

YEAHHHHH my theory is she worked with the king

[frigid tinsel]

Same headcanon

[keen shore]

You read their notes and it’s just titled “How To Make Catpeople Real? Uses and loopholes of purple light”

[sharp shore]

DO WE SHARE THE SAME BRAINCELL OR SMTHN

[frigid tinsel]

We already got furries (Forest Elder)

[outer hare]

NO WONDER I ALWAYS HAVE ONLY HALF

[keen shore]

Ok consider. If vault is older than Forest… if vault was involved in the catpeople experiments… what if forest is the result

[foggy lotus]

jail

[calm jay]

the little containers in vault are like. memories and information, right? and i recall reading somewhere that vault was closed off to most of the public for the longest time. maybe there was some intel that needed protecting. i believe vault is actually behind wasteland, not just as a gameplay mechanic like every realm is a straight line. in the picture i shared earlier, there's kind of a large brick wall behind the temple (either that or it's the temple itself - i couldn't see it properly)

[outer hare]

I will help you with that

[sharp shore]

Ayo this got cursed

[sharp lichen]

Maybe like the Starlight Desert!

[sharp shore]

Yeah from what im seeing this kingdom is just a heap of secrets and lies.

[outer hare]

This turned dark really quickly........

[calm jay]

corrupt elders? government conspiracy? 👀

[foggy lotus]

It’s a cute game it’s the law it needs to have a dark background/hj

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t heard that the Vault was exclusive, but people prob had to be big brained or loyal to Vault Elder to even be involved

[sharp shore]

SO TRUE !!

[keen shore]

light creatures aren’t real. They’re government drones made by prairie elder to spy on us

[outer hare]

King and Vault conspiring using chemicals, Wasteland elder blackmailed into protection

[sharp lichen]

Of course, this too

[high dagger]

Wait wait I'm pretty sure that in game the two lock door in vault is described as being a place for hidden knowledge

[outer hare]

NOOO WOOLY MANTAS ARE NOT SPYING DEVICES

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder don’t need birds and butterflies, human agents will do

[sharp lichen]

They can hide spying cameras under their wool.

[calm jay]

i do remember hearing vault was blocked off, i'll have to find the source real quick

[keen shore]

The birds and butterflies are the diversion. Everyone THINKS they’re the issue. They don’t expect flight guide

[sharp shore]

Since the king worked with two different elders with different purposes id see that wasteland and vault elders would be on extremely bad terms by now

[outer hare]

OH NO- im personally hurt by this, i will never trust a wooly manta again

[sharp lichen]

I mean, they were together in the Vault cutscene. They seemed to have enough compassion to bow to us instead of screaming at each other

[frigid tinsel]

They’ve prob got over their gripes and grudges since everyone died

[outer hare]

Of course, vault was like a teachers pet and wasteland was forced into doing something he knew would end in failure. Wasteland told isle about all this and isle began preparing for skykids to descend from megabird.

[sharp shore]

We are their savior, they have to have at least a shred of respect.

Not that they had much to begin with anyway.

[sharp shore]

LITERALLY !

[outer hare]

EGG 🥚 XACTLY

[calm jay]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=drivesdk

« The new area (Archive) was a highly restricted area. No one should enter. »
« As the restricted area decayed over time, an entrance appeared. There are knowledge/projection lanterns, sealed inside the large cubes. »

this is what i was talking abt!!

[sharp lichen]

Krills are assassination devices created by the Wasteland Elder, of course

[outer hare]

eh i didnt like em anyways 👀 . @sharp shore ISLE COULDVE PLAYED ALONG WITHH THE KING BUT WAS ACTUALLY A DOUBLE AGENT FOR MEGABIRB

[sharp shore]

MMMMM perhaps ???? Can i hear ur theory ?

[keen shore]

That’s where they keep the fanfictions (and popcorn machines)

[foggy lotus]

no wonder it’s restricted
from personal experience people go violent over popcorn

[frigid tinsel]

That’s talking about the restricted archives. We don’t know if the rest of the information in the Vault was treated the same way.

[calm jay]

restricted archives? is that not vault?

[sharp shore]

No like that new season area from season of belonging

[keen shore]

Ok you know the space behind the two player door on the first floor? That’s the archives. Everything else is not the archives and is just vault

[calm jay]

huh. did not know that

[high dagger]

Yes this is the excerpt I remember reading

[calm jay]

the theory still stand though - there is intel in vault that no one was supposed to see, maybe someone was after it

[keen shore]

As for elder personality headcanons I really like the idea that none of them are particularly evil, theu jusr did what they thought they had to do to survive + personalities conflicting (I don’t know how to explain this. I am sorry) and everything just slowly crumbled bc of the conflict

[sharp shore]

Yeah, but parts of my respect is gone for them

[high dagger]

I think they did what they thought was best for their people but... Well its obvious what they were doing drowned everything in darkness in the end

[sharp shore]

Yea thats why i lost part of my respect for them

[outer hare]

King want to break down original system where ancestors living peacefully with pilgrimage to megabirb. King conspire with ( basically the villain from sonic but not crazy ) vault elder. Vault agrees because they never get to do nothing interesting around here. Vault regrets that eventually but cant stop due to kings influence. King conspire more power, ends in realms being hurt. Wasteland was forced into it due to blackmail by vault elder. hATRED. Wasteland elder however proceeds to tell isle about king's plan. Isle becomes double agent for megabirb. Megabirb decides that a backup plan in case things go wrong. Skykid creation. Isle begins work on history of realms to put in cave paintings. Forest begins to get hurt by the cruel way trees are treated in her realm behing her back, cut down for king's wild plans. Prairie elder is oblivious. Valley twins are concerned but do not think anything of it.King begins to realise faults. Builds the ark/ Explosion. Isle is preparing to leave and pave the way for soon-to-arrive skYkIdS. they know their going to go soon. Everybody except wasteland and vault does the same. Vault suffers in agony, evenntually succumbing. Wasteland elder was forced to fight till last breath. SHOOT- this isnt all the tiny details included just a little TwT

[sharp shore]

VILLAIN FROM SONIC AHAHAGIWVSUUAKWIWHWU

But i see that. So isle elder is the underdog?

[outer hare]

Yep 🤌 ✨ This is just the outline because my hands suffer

[frigid tinsel]

This was the coliseum before Dreams

[high dagger]

I AM THE EGGMAN AADDGGHKLAFHFJDJHDD

[harsh pecan]

Woah cool

[calm jay]

that's interesting, i can definitely see isle elder working with and wanting to save the megabird

[outer hare]

. @harsh pecan Thank you! ^^

[foggy lotus]

so, according to this, and Resh are the bad guys?

[sharp shore]

Yeh

[outer hare]

They are, but eventually they realised that they did wrong. But then it becomes too late. Like those dramatic last scene movies

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t compare Vault Elder’s headscarf to an egg, it’s disrespect to people who wear headscarves

[outer hare]

Sorry ill take it down

[sharp shore]

Was gonna say that but slowmode

[placid compass]

perhaps the people the archives were tying to hide intel from were the same who destroyed wasteland in order to get to the vault

[keen shore]

That was me Sorry /j

[high dagger]

Is there a page somewhere that has the full murals from Prophecy? I was wanting to study them in closer detail

[willow prawn]

I feel that saying good or bad in Sky is kinda pointless, because it doesn't seem like anyone, misguided as they may be, have bad intentions per se.

Comparing Light and Darkness makes more sense to me– darkness hurt us because skykids are light beings, but darkness also contains flames that feed us

And likewise, maybe Darkness creatures attack us because light damages them- consider crabs getting turned for example

[frigid tinsel]

There are burrowed tunnels that made it into the archives. What they were looking for, we don’t know.

As for what happened to Wasteland, I’d say environmental degredation caused a lot of it. See all the pipes and polluted water everywhere

[high dagger]

I sort of thought that Skykids are a bit of both light and dark. Their bodies are dark where as their hair is white and they emit light. Full light creatures seem to be primarily white gold but skykids are not.

[foggy lotus]

what if the people who made those tunnels took advantage of the pollution to get into the vault??

[placid compass]

i also noticed that the walls of the archives were broken into

[keen shore]

I agree with the first part of this message, but I’m not sure Light is inherently good in the sky universe and the reverse is true for darkness. Aside from being an almost stereotypical way of looking at things, just from in game evidence I don’t know if it’s true.

There’s another theory I’m turning over and around in my brain, that the fall of the kingdom wasn’t caused by going awau from the Light but leaning too heavily into it as opposed to appreciating its balance with darkness. Like religious dogmatism, almost. I’m not 100% sure about it yet but… it’s a really interesting idea to me

[placid compass]

i feel like the white kid we hug as the dark one in eden kinda represents light and dark combining to make skykid
spoiler or no

[sharp shore]

I have a similar feeling. There needs to be a balance between light and dark; too much of either is bad

[high dagger]

Yes I agree with this. Too much light could also be a problem cuz then everything could burn or cause blindness and other problems I can't think of on top of my head

[frigid tinsel]

The problem wasn’t the presence of darkness, it was the ancestors relying on power diamonds too heavily that darkness fell out of balance, taking the opportunity to consume and devastate.

[outer hare]

Many theories say that the white figure is the king himself, but thats the good theory too

[willow prawn]

I agree that they seem more like neutral forces to me! But the abuse of one or the other threw the imbalance in Eden, contamination of Forest and Wastelands, and the apparition of monsters like krills or the Leviathan.

That's my opinion at least

[foggy lotus]

Sky kingdom if they learnt how to use solar energy:/j

[high dagger]

I think this is why Skykids exist. They are a balance between the two and in theory could restore things to a healthy state again if there was actually progress being made to fix things (hard to do in a game thatvrelies on the repeated process of redoing the levels tho)

[outer hare]

Floor:kids of the future

[willow prawn]

The best examples of areas we balance, imo, are Sanctuary and Forgotten Ark. There's light and darkness in both, but overall peaceful places

[keen shore]

I have Posted about my ideas on how darkness works here a lot I think, and it always ends up existentially horrifying and bordering on cosmic horror. I think it’s really interesting how the kingdom had to kickstart the darkness corruption instead of it being a conscious decision on the darkness’s part… just imagining light as representing life, energy, etc and darkness as the absence of everything makes it terrifying fast

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids probably are doing a bit to save the world from darkness. They’re not an efficient measure, but they are freeing petrified spirits, melting darkness plants — perhaps their very presence as beings of light populating the world drives back the darkness enough that, say, the storm weakens and new areas are unveiled by the reducing cloud coverage.

[high dagger]

That is actually a cool theory for why areas are revealed more and more. We are dissipating the storm ever so slowly

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness does consume light, so darkness isn’t good for light and light beings. With too much darkness around, creatures corrupt, spirits petrify, and the land wastes. As beings of light, that’s terrifying.

[willow prawn]

For the other side, is never mentioned in Sky, but overpopulation is a real issue because the living resources end up in unbalance if not straight up over.

A healthy mix keeps light around but not so much that everything burns and dies

[calm jay]

oh that is a great theory i hadn't even considered - without darkness, light would have no meaning. they are two halves of a whole; you can't have light without darkness. too much light and you will not have the complete cycle of life, everything will exist in a standstill, a limbo. things will not die and return to the megabird to be rebirthed and breathe life into the world. too much darkness and the world will become corrupt, sprouting creatures who were birthed from darkness, rather than light. the world needed the balance of light and dark, and currently darkness overthrows the light, distorting the world. skykids are a possible solution to this problem; bringing new light to the world to save it from the darkness.

[keen shore]

I’m almost wondering If darkness is like… a metaphor for permanent death almost. It’s bleak, it’s terrifying, and it’s inescapable. It takes someone and you never see them again. It’s something humans have struggled with for practically our entire existence and have actively fought against.

On the other hand, death is extremely important for our world to function. Just like darkness.

[willow prawn]

I think we'll have more insight of the function of darkness if TGC ever decides to reveal how krills corrupted and what creature were they originally

[frigid tinsel]

Overpopulation isn’t as much of an issue as resource scarcity is, which, yes, overpopulation can contribute too, but generally not as much as its hyped to be

[willow prawn]

Another possibility is that darkness is just the waste or fossilization of what light was, the remnant so to speak

Extract too much light, only darkness is left behind

[willow prawn]

Oh, I'm speaking more in terms of nature (too much herbivores animals and few carnivores) rather than comparison with humans were it's more complex

The cycle of life and stuff

[placid compass]

another way the light was thrown off balance was probably when king started to extract light from light creatures (abyss)
after finding out that light was running out he turned to the many light creatures

[cunning shell]

For some reason I have it in my head that krills are skids who’ve lost their way, falling into the darkness and mutating into feral monsters over time. Idk where that thought came from though

My other thought is that if krill=elephant, then whatever light creature krills were supposed to be=woolly mammoth. The thought of a super fluffy krill-shaped thing is very funny to me. All the skids would probably be afk napping on them

[jovial nacelle]

Just to add a different perspective, what if the sky world, before the elders, had the dark creatures? Like there was already a civilization/order until the elders came.

i silenced the chat once more

[outer hare]

The bobbit has been unleashed, nevermind

[outer hare]

there was a theory that stated that there were more beings like megabirb, in fact around 7 alltogether with equivalent power ( i think, but this may be incorrect ). Elders came about when megabirb made them. Maybe before it was only the 7 megabirb like creatures ^^

[placid compass]

imo this is what the elders roles are in the whole light business
isle-ascends skykids and spirits
daylight-makes pots(?)and boats for transport to forest etc
forest-creation of darkstone(?) using light,uses boats from prairie to transport to (most likely)vault
valley-generally just competition stuff,idk what their deal is
wasteland-defending vault from whatever it is trying to break in
vault-creation of lanterns,hidden intel

[frigid tinsel]

Krill are confirmed corrupted light creatures
https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

[calm jay]

"time will tell" ooooooo i'm excited, i hope there's another loredump season soon

[surreal scaffold]

Imagine a season where we return the krills to their original forms

[cunning shell]

I’m gonna hold out hope for the Sky version of woolly mammoths

[frigid tinsel]

Yea we still don’t know what krill used to be. Given their in-game name is Dark Dragons, perhaps they were once Light Dragons. Another thought was that they’re the corrupted version of the mosaic eel swimming around Treasure Reef.

A lot thought Abyss would give insight into darkness corruption... then it didn’t.

[jovial nacelle]

What if the knowledge we experience in vault is false? Like fake? Because not all wisdom that we encounter doesn't mean is true. And this sentence is confirmed, after the meditation we find out that Vault was an illusion. What if there is knowledge that's restricted from sky kids and only accessible to the elders?

[placid compass]

the seven were probably
-light whale thing seen in forest underground and on easy to wastes
-king krill,probably corrupted by darkness,my theory is that king extracted so much light from the massive creature that is corrupted n turned into that
i can tell if megabird is one of the seven or if it took on more of a king role

[sharp lichen]

If so, then why is the final level in vault shown in the Performance screen

[jovial nacelle]

Perhaps one of them were scholars, which is how they were able to make the effects

[placid compass]

another thing is how do the spirits know what eden looks like

[frigid tinsel]

I’m not putting my skin in the “is Vault real” debate anymore but even if what we see in the Vault isn’t true to reality, that doesn’t mean what Vault Elder (might’ve) told us isn’t true.

[jovial nacelle]

Perhaps it was common knowledge passed down to their ancestors and to their descendants?

[frigid tinsel]

Or some ancestors lived after the Eden calamity

[placid compass]

maybe vault is just one big hologram projected from the lanterns we’ve seen,maybe as a warning for future generations

[cunning shell]

THIS. This is what I want to know. Maybe they wander around and saw that it’d been corrupted?

[outer hare]

I believe that eden used to be a temple ^^ which spirits made a pilgrimage to-

[jovial nacelle]

Just to add a dark element:
What if the spirits, the civilization they had stopped creating more descendants? What if they wanted to end their suffering and ascend to another being to join the elders?

[placid compass]

yeah cos in the eden screen there’s a big big thing that i don’t think is currently there?

[jovial nacelle]

I feel like it was a capital city at first, I mean the 7 Elders did create the place so why wouldn't it be a capital city?

Eden sort of reminds me of Mt. Olympus

[calm jay]

i think the possibility that ancestors survived after the corruption of eden is very possible - maybe death wasn't instantaneous after whatever happened. the backdrops in the season of performance show eden in an already corrupted state, i don't think it was made after the spirits died

[outer hare]

From spirit memories, most dont seem that discontented with their lives.... @jovial nacelle Its quite a hard place to get to and it seems to have a chapel-style to it ( the bit before orbit )

[cunning shell]

Probably not. Unless ghosts can hold paintbrushes, which would be kinda funny ngl

[placid compass]

cos in this pic there’s some stuff floating under the diamond that i’m pretty sure isn’t there rn

[jovial nacelle]

I bet they're going to add something like the Sistine Chapel

[keen shore]

There’s no evidence that Eden was created by the elders, and honestly looking around it doesn’t look like it used to be a city. There’s not enough buildings/ruins scattered around, it just looks so empty. I’m kind of confused why the take on it being a city is so common, I don’t really get it

[novel marten]

Sky-chealangelo

[pallid mirage]

Eden is very city-like, you can say it seems partially more advanced, I can even say the same to Wasteland

[jovial nacelle]

Perhaps that's how they depicted it. If I were to imagine it in their shoes, they were confused and had no idea what was happening. They most likely assumed that beam of light was a Power Diamond

[keen shore]

The weird part to me isn’t the stuff floating under it — it’s still there, just above the diamond. You see it after you die and are flying up to orbit. The thing I immediately noticed is the diamond being floating and bright yellow instead of red and on the ground

[placid compass]

my take on eden is that it used to be a temple,but more and more factories (pipe)popped up as the king got obsessed with the megadiamond

[cunning shell]

I assumed that Eden was pretty much the same as Wasteland but with an inverted colour scheme

[pallid mirage]

Ohh yeah, the King, he may be the main cause of its downfall…

[keen shore]

…where are the ruins of the buildings that either ‘city’ used to be filled with? They’re both so empty. Genuinely confused at this point, I just can’t see it

[frigid tinsel]

They probably can interact with the tangible world. Look at Abyss — those spirits carried around power diamonds

[novel marten]

Speaking of the King, we got an actual crown constellation with the friend star update. Just saying

[jovial nacelle]

Probably hidden under the sand, we've only been observing the surface. So, how about the underground?

[slate saffron]

Well it is very city-like in the orbit section kinda sorta so maybe they mean that?

[pallid mirage]

Wasteland is kinda… ruined to be fair. It’s a very low hint but the pipes and all, they kinda remind me of slums

[jovial nacelle]

Also just a fun thought: Can I just bet they use power diamonds as grenades?

[calm jay]

i can definitely see arguments for both sides of eden being a city. as we currently see it, the castle in orbit is pretty barren. then again, we only see part of the castle, the set path to our ascent. this is also the castle after ruin, so it's very possible it looked different before corruption. there are several buildings much like the ones in valley (which was a big city) seen in the castle. for now, it's hard to really come to a conclusion on what eden is, given how little information we have 😔

[placid compass]

in that case kings thought process was:
“i will build a giant grenade in the center of the world!this definitely won’t backfireBOOM”

[novel marten]

(We didn’t start the fire starts playing)

[jovial nacelle]

the result:
it cracked open and began shooting a beam, tearing a hole in the stratosphere, literally connecting land and space to a woman in the sky singing inside a ball of light

[pallid mirage]

Dang that’s true.. all we can do is pay attention to the little detail we have right now.

[jovial nacelle]

I'm betting the next season will have spirits that have a different perspective to sky kids, instead of casually interacting with them like people, they hate the sky kids.

Like: UgH sky kidS. JERRY GET THE KRILL AND CRAB.

[placid compass]

probably a season in vault,in which all the scholars have found out about the skykids creation and think we’re there to foil kings plan,,,whatever that may be

[pallid mirage]

AW! Man that seems cool, spirits that despise the sky kids 😂

[frigid tinsel]

gestures to Abyss
We had to gain their trust first.

[jovial nacelle]

instead of teaching us, they reject us.

[jovial nacelle]

yeah but like, hate hate. Like as in you want a sky kid to drink Wasteland water soup by force

[native shoal]

We learn a variety of no emotes

[keen shore]

Commodore saw us and went “ANOTHER KID??????? THIS CANT BE REAL”

[pallid mirage]

“You pesky little creatures can’t even fly straight. You know nothing of this world and whatever you are planning, it’s not gonna work.”

[novel marten]

(just living their life)

Oh heck no. JERRY THERES A MOTH IN THE HOUSE

JERRY NOW THERES TWO OF THEM

[jovial nacelle]

"What's with those outfits? They're so tacky, Gucci can do better."

[placid compass]

“man i just want ur cape”

[pallid mirage]

WAHAHAHA

Jeez that’ll be so fun, and the emotes will be pretty cool. Just pure on hate

[placid compass]

season of hatred
the quests are to hunt down each spirit and forcefully take their fit
hair?yank it off

[native shoal]

Sky becomes a horror game, corrupted spirits trying to get you

[jovial nacelle]

or:
"You know, if you never came to this world we would've lived peacefully a long time ago."

[pallid mirage]

It kinda contrasts the belief of the scholars and us sky kids. It’s kinda like the generation gap ya know?

[novel marten]

I personally thought Sky kids were a reaction to the fall of their civilization because of the Eden statues, but since pointing candlemakers new memories show a Sky kid falling from the sky I don’t know

[placid compass]

probably scholars in vault being fed minsinformation on skykids from king cos the creation of them may threaten his plan so he spun a tale on how skykids are ruining the peaceful future that king promised

[uncut pond]

*the hungry for pants skids trying to get the spirits

It's like DMC1, it's an horror game except you're the scary thing

[clear glacier]

What would it be like if Sky became a horror game tho?
Perhaps forest could use some of the old concept where's it's maze like

[novel marten]

This is answered in fire trial

[pallid mirage]

Not another maze with weird fluffy wormies 😭

[jovial nacelle]

Oh and a tribal elder as the boss, ok time to imagine:

Imagine a horde of bodies, some were torn in half which made them crawl towards you. THey were covered in darkstone, their eyes were cold and heartless. The leader behind them trudged with their staff in hand, chanting something. But you somehow knew they were blaming you for something.

[clear glacier]

i speedrun fire trial everyday
i require a new challenge
cant stop that candle grind

[timid karma]

don't ruin my peaceful forest runs 😭

[native shoal]

Ok I just meant having to avoid spirits like you avoid krill, but you can actually save them. It just takes some good timing

[clear glacier]

Nah nah how would we be able to turn Prairie into a horror place tho

[frigid tinsel]

that skykid is thought to be Chosen One depicted in the Cave of Prophecy murals who completed the Trials, who might've become prince/king. they might've been on the only skykid or a proto-skykid that existed during the ancestors' era

[timid karma]

i wish we could save krills :(

[novel marten]

Easy. Corrupt the moths there

[jovial nacelle]

A new theory:
What if the king created sky kids from the purest light, the king wanted the sky kids to power the diamonds infinitely. We were basically infinite light generators. But the problem was, we were sentient and had emotions. So the King declared that the civilization must "deceive" and "act" to keep the sky kids in bay because we had the power to destroy cities. So, they began to trick us, some had genuine love, some acted, some hated them.

[native shoal]

Moths everywhere all trying to befriend you, running after you as well

[timid karma]

ive been dating the forgotten ark krill for almost a month now 😭 😭

[jovial nacelle]

There's already dark plants growing in Prairie, oh and to make it more creepier. A animated corpse of the Prairie Elder. More bigger, more scarier, more corrupted.

[uncut pond]

The krill just wants to be petted
It's been very lonely for them :(

[timid karma]

i can't do that because i get krilled when i touch him 😭

[jovial nacelle]

Just imagine the aninmated corpse of the prairie elder, walking towards you while sobbing painfuly

[uncut pond]

TGC should add a Krill petting mini game as an Easter egg or something
They're kinda cute if you ignore that they're terrifying

[novel marten]

Another reason the spirits might be afraid of skykids: we come from The Light(?) / the stars above. We live and die and become reborn. We have power all our own. We can swim and walk and fly. Spirits couldn’t fly without magic or tools. Sky kids are like the ambassadors between the Light creatures and Spirits (Orbit) and spirits could have feared what they didn’t understand about Sky kids

[frigid tinsel]

that's why skykids are cute and friendly rather than resembling biblically accurate angels

[jovial nacelle]

And the fact they consider light to be the greatest power, since we are beings of pure light It's understandable why they're afraid.

[jovial nacelle]

biblically accurate angels as sky kids

[clear glacier]

yes omg

[novel marten]

Seraphim 9-winged cape when

[placid compass]

be not afraid
-moth running up with candle

[uncut pond]

Tbf the biblical angels that actually interacted with humans looked mostly like humans, the creepy ones always remain at Yahweh's side and never interact with people

At least afaik

[jovial nacelle]

✨
👁️ FEAR NOT

another variation:
👁️ ✨ 👁️
👄
👁️ ✨ 👁️

also another variation
👁️

👁️

[native shoal]

Skids glowing like how you glow in the prophecy trials and while heading up to orbit, busting into vault and yelling at the scholars BE NOT AFRAID

[queen forum]

[jade river]

Biblically accurate skykids??

FINALLY WE GETTING ON GOOD DISCUSSION FELLAS

[jovial nacelle]

Honking news:
A sky kid breaks into the Vault and ends up blinding half the scholars.

[frigid tinsel]

was Christian and read Bible, God really did send the nonhumanoid angels to do stuff

[native shoal]

There’s a reason the standard greeting was BE NOT AFRAID

[jovial nacelle]

Imagine the blessings, just booping the human with their... eyes.

[novel marten]

The suspect is currently wearing Prophecy halo mask, Afro hair, white cape tier 2, and manta jumpsuit pants. Sky News will return after this commercial break.

[outer hare]

Vault Elder was forced to make 20 pairs of glasses that night

[jovial nacelle]

another variation of biblically accurate sky kids

👁️
👄

[jade river]

As far as im understood the biblically accurate ones are known as seraphins, the highest ranking angels in heaven (ofc, not above god) they rarely interacted with humankind, that job being to archangels (ones that looked like humans)

[uncut pond]

I was also Christian but also evangelist and evangelists love skipping the interesting parts

[novel marten]

MIKE WAZOWSKI

[native shoal]

Also what’s with all of the new faces here? I see five non-regulars and that’s pretty rare

[outer hare]

OH NO-

[jovial nacelle]

i just haven't been hire a while, mainly because i was hibernating.

[novel marten]

I lurk in here sometimes

[outer hare]

are there regulars here? @novel marten i have spotted you many times

[calm jay]

i've been in here for a few days now but im very new to lorechat. i've been in the discord since assembly but i dont post in the other channels

[jovial nacelle]

i've been here since gratitude

[novel marten]

I usually post more in cozy lol, I’m sorta new to lore chat

[clear glacier]

Well you see a certain yter made a sky animatic of 🌟 lore 🌟
ofc i've been here since dreams

[jade river]

Megabird: screw it, go talk to them

Biblically accurate skykid: BƏ ŅØŤ ÄFŘÆÏĐ

vault scholars: this is the most horrifying moment in my life

[placid compass]

usually not here due to small brain

[outer hare]

Im a Cozy skykid too- @placid compass I sit here and watch on with awe at people with braincells XD

[native shoal]

That wasn’t even lore that was just the experience of sky itself

[rigid mural]

DSMP animation for sky dropped. Not too keen on the content creators themselves but new faces are always welcome !

[keen shore]

Wasn’t it like… he sent them Once and then switched to humanoid ones? I can’t fully remember

[jade river]

Ah yes, serious lore discussion, we totally aint memeing on biblically accurate skykids

[jovial nacelle]

if you think about it, biblically accurate angels were easy to defeat. Just blind them and poke their eyes.

[native shoal]

Oh no I know who sad-ist is, I watched the animation it was sick

[placid compass]

moth blinds everyone 2022
huh,vault elder looks like a finger

[frigid tinsel]

nah God kept sending the freaky angels

[outer hare]

Glow spells are now banned in vault-

[calm jay]

when you wear a white cape in prairie

[novel marten]

That is, if you can look at them to throw and aim properly. Most humans couldn’t even bear to look

[native shoal]

Bro when you wear a white cape in home

[jade river]

The sentence be not afraid makes a lot of sense tbh

[rigid mural]

I'm a bit busy this weekend but I will be back soon for lore

[frigid tinsel]

I saw it – wasn't even DSMP related. just about Sky. it was so cool

[placid compass]

equivalent of wearing white cape in homespace with morning lighting and glow spell

[native shoal]

Sad-ist also did hollow knight stuff!

[novel marten]

Remember when everyone came back from Water Trial with the glow spell still on? Like that

[uncut pond]

I haven't read the bible in years (I have my reasons not to) but I'm sure the bible only ever mentions the creepy angels when describing them in Revelations and one Old Testament book that I don't remember the name of
But basically I remember that those angels basically only appeared in heaven and in visions/dream, the less freaky angels were the ones who actually acted as messengers as far as I remember

[jovial nacelle]

angel 1: "uh god, can i ask you something?
god: "yeah sure."
angel 1: "why do you keep sending those eye wing dudes in earth, i mean. we look like a human so it makes sense-"
god: "how else do you think they're going to believe they're angels?"
angel 1: "i dunno, our halo or smthing"
god: "you have a point but if we send you down there you'll be accused of witchcraft."

[frigid tinsel]

Prophecy guide: oh no there's more of them

[keen shore]

To be fair. If ANY angel, no matter how humanoid, showed up out of the blue to tell me I was having gods baby I would panic. Terrifying anatomy is likely irrelevant here

[outer hare]

they're multiplying gonna talk with water prophet about this-

[novel marten]

I think in some of the Major/Minor prophets in the Old Testament there’s also some mention of angels, because of all the visions the prophets see. But I don’t remember very well. Most of it is in Revelation though because that’s the End Times and all

[jovial nacelle]

like:
breaks into house.
hi, we'd like to inform you that you now bear god's child. uhh, we won't pay for child support. just raise the kid k?
Leaves

[uncut pond]

That's a good point honestly.
"I'm literally gonna get stoned to death for this! I'm not married!"
"Idk woman god said it's your problem"
Angel refuses to elaborate any further
Visible panic

[keen shore]

Prophecy becomes a lot funnier if you imagine the guide as being constantly suspicious of us being secretl the king at all times and making us do the trials to prove we’re not

[novel marten]

Prophecy Guide be like: click all the pictures of traffic lights and prove you’re not a robot

[outer hare]

2 seconds after: HUH-

[keen shore]

THE TRIALS REALLU ARE JUST CAPTCHA TESTS.

How it started:
Skykid pointing at mural of glowing child on the wall is that me? :3
Prophecy guide: No — hmmm…. Wait a minute…

[uncut pond]

In order to proceed to the website, prove you're a real sky kid by lighting all the candles

[novel marten]

I want to make sure you’re not faking anything. Just run some tests for me, ok?
(sweats nervously)

[keen shore]

Isn’t the actual point of captcha tests to catch you if you do them too well? The comparison writes itself

…what does prophecy guide think about trial speed runners

[calm jay]

this suggests that the king sucked at the trials

[sharp lichen]

Tbf, we are really powerful. We can teleport to safety, while it’s likely theat the ancestors didn’t

[outer hare]

Go ahead otherwise you wont get the special hug from the prophecy guide at the top of the task tree-

[jovial nacelle]

i like how the prophecy guides didn't even care if we were children. they fr just sent us to a pocket dimension that restarts our life each time we fail.

[keen shore]

I was trying to say that they were REALLY good at them and the guide would get suspicious if we did them too well, but this alternate interpretation is funnier

[sharp lichen]

Hyd I swear this is just normal prophecy lore don’t worry we are not crazy

[novel marten]

And they get rid of your cape like ‘back in MY day we didn’t have capes and we walked uphill in the air trial without any handouts or warps’

[outer hare]

What i try and explain to my friend after i go on an accidental lore rant-

[jovial nacelle]

like what did they advertise?-

"the trials, your kid may not survive. we also don't take full responsibility if your child has gone through the following:
emotional trauma
trauma
disappeared
vanished
no longer can see
injuries
And etc.
we also don't pay for child support."

[frigid tinsel]

Sky lore will either drive you mad or make you sad and we're witnessing the former rn

[high dagger]

I'm a bit late but Prairie is already a horror place for my eyes. So bright I can't see. Just amp up the bloom and it becomes a "Can you see the monster through this BLINDING LIGHT"

[calm jay]

the king, a grown person choked up sobbing because he can't make it past the first bit of water in the water trial:
some child, skipping across the water: hee hoo waeter :)

[frigid tinsel]

emotional trauma
Water Trial is how one of my Sky OCs got a severe phobia of water

[outer hare]

oh and if your child does survive- there's- PRESSURE thank you thats all

[keen shore]

There’s no way prophecy guide DIDNT get suspicious when another glowing child showed up out of nowhere and immediately completed all the trials with ease. That scenario has like a 100% success rate of ending badly from their experience

[uncut pond]

please don't be shy, go ahead and try

[outer hare]

there's no impending doom ^^-

[jovial nacelle]

just like:

oh a child that can fly, wears a cape and can change clothes at will. hmmmm this isn't totally suspicious. ok get inside one of the pocket dimensions and survive.

[keen shore]

WAIT I just realized. Forest elder has the water light. Amander hates water. How will this be exploited?

[novel marten]

So that’s why the king went to Eden

[calm jay]

the king corrupts the world out of spite because they got a little damp in the trial

[outer hare]

you didnt like water- have fire ^^

[keen shore]

Massive cat energy. I approve

[jovial nacelle]

LOL imagine the elders at a young age in water trial

Prairie: running for his life while protecting his creatures
isle: using magic
forest: hammer
valleys: fighting while somehow succeeding
wasteland: shield surfing
vault: meditation.

[high dagger]

I just discovered the roles and this was hidden behind the Lore role xD.

[frigid tinsel]

so this: https://twitter.com/Dinanicole88/status/1465552761550880778

[outer hare]

valley twins just run ^^

[native shoal]

I remember being that moth dude. I still suck at the trials

[jovial nacelle]

unfortunately, you are not allowed to bypass the filter

[keen shore]

This but it’s the king

[outer hare]

One veteran- ran me through them all and i never did them for another year

[native shoal]

And I’ve been playing since october 2021 I am not a new player anymore

[keen shore]

You are in my eyes. Get in baby jail

[native shoal]

That’s just cause you’re Old/j

[frigid tinsel]

I'll one up you – August 2021

[keen shore]

I AM NOT OLD I AM A NORMAL AGE.

[calm jay]

• senior citizen

[novel marten]

(Laughs in Lightseekers)

[keen shore]

Toddler jail

[jovial nacelle]

laughs in gratitude

[native shoal]

I’ll concede and admit that I am not a veteran but by this point I’m far from a moth

[calm jay]

i've been playing for a year now i'm definitely not a moth. don't think i'll be a veteran until an assembly spirit arrives as a ts

[frigid tinsel]

old status is when a spirit from your moth season finally arrives as TS

[native shoal]

Oh it’ll be a while before a flight spirit shows up so I’m not old yet

[jovial nacelle]

hm

[uncut pond]

Same lmao

[jovial nacelle]

since there were no cows in sky (just assuming), how did they get milk? well my friends, a good question y'all didn't ask. they got milk from the whales.

[native shoal]

Looking forward to the little Prince TS i want their entire outfits other than the king guy

[high dagger]

This makes me sad cuz I'm a flight moth but missed all the cosmetics cuz it was the last week TnT

[keen shore]

Those aren’t the only mammals in Sky… >:)

[jovial nacelle]

ok, how does the little prince run faster than us or walk faster than us when we, as literal war machines, manage to run slower than him

[uncut pond]

insert reference to Wavemania here<

THOSE WHO KNOW, KNOW

[mild robin]

The lp capes are meh but the hair styles are 🤌 cant wait for the ts that was my moth season

[native shoal]

I joined early on, it’s ok! That just means you graduated from mothhood in Abyss

[placid compass]

same,king guy is horrifying except the crown,and even then i don’t think i’d wear it

[frigid tinsel]

dev admitted that mantas can be milked

[rigid mural]

Take it back /j
TLP capes are hilarious, have you seen what TLP moths looked like

[jovial nacelle]

come to think of it, sky kids are literal gods. Like, anything they learn they can do it in a instant. So they can fight the king

[native shoal]

I’m gonna go to bed, goodnight! Don’t burn forest!

[clear glacier]

oh yes i absolutely love the shameful dude's hair

[keen shore]

I love the usage of the word “admitted”… like mantas being milkable was top secret classified info before this point and is akin to a criminal activity

[mild robin]

They are cool but they all kinda look the same a little bit

[frigid tinsel]

as a TLP moth, stop making me feel bad /j

[rigid mural]

WHERE ???

[jovial nacelle]

🔥 🎋 🔥💥
ok

[radiant notch]

what is TLP

[mild robin]

The little prince

[sharp lichen]

WHAT (CROSSOVER SEASON BETWEEN SKY AND THE LITTLE PRINCE)

[keen shore]

I don’t know. It’s this weird fanmade season people keep talking about.

[frigid tinsel]

I thought it was a dev who said this? that's what I heard.

[radiant notch]

pls homie I joined last Thanksgiving

[sharp lichen]

ITS OKAY ORION (WELCOME TO LORRCHAT)

[rigid mural]

Yeah I trust you but where is it said, I wanna see

[radiant notch]

lmao y'all can call me mars, I forgot to change my name oops

[frigid tinsel]

seems like something that would be said in Skycord

[high dagger]

It's in the dropdown menu for the Server where it says edit server profile

Oh sorry I thought you were asking where the option was x'D I might have misread

[keen shore]

I can’t find it in the server search so I must conclude… mantas being milked was a conspiracy all along to distract us from their true purpose… and perhaps to lie to us about what creature the milk came from all along

Anyways I think crabs are filled with milk. Who’s with me

[calm jay]

tlp gets a lot of hate in the community and i understand where people are coming from in terms of cosmetics and story-wise but it was the first and only season to feature a quest in eden, which is kinda huge to me. i assume the season is supposed to be taken as not canon because it's a collab season w a copyrighted character

[frigid tinsel]

let's not bring "is TLP canon" discorse back please

[radiant notch]

I thought the little prince was cute we held his hand and everything

[calm jay]

i have the special talent of responding to topics when the conversation has already ended

[clear glacier]

moving from tlp, what is the fanon/concept name for the old man in isle of dawn again

[mild robin]

Yeah tlp was and is one of my fav seasons the quests were so cute and fun

[keen shore]

TLP WAS a good season and I’m tired of pretending it wasn’t. Cosmetics aren’t all that make up a season

[sharp lichen]

TLP gets a lot of hate? From where? It’s held to high regard

[radiant notch]

Geezer?

[calm jay]

daleth
alternatively: peepaw

[frigid tinsel]

Daleth is fanon, Dawn is maybe canon

[clear glacier]

thanks lol
edit: geezer im dying /lh

[sharp lichen]

I’ll even say that cosmetics are the least important part of a season. The gameplay, location, and story are far more important

[jovial nacelle]

each time i see the abbreviation tlp, i can't help but think of my little pony.

[radiant notch]

nooooo..

[high dagger]

idk My first time hearing it was disliked. I think those were my favorite quests to complete during my moth discover all the maps phase

[jovial nacelle]

watch as TGC makes it the most important part of the season

[keen shore]

I 100% agree, and I am so tired of the last three aspects being flat out ignored by the fanbase in favor of the first

[clear glacier]

ngl i like tlp. whether it is canon or not, you cannot deny the moral of the story, and the pretty place that's great for photos

[radiant notch]

Someone bring the fire extinguisher cause that was a sick burn

[jovial nacelle]

that was unintended

[rigid mural]

I like to think of TLP as a season that might not entirely canon, but that doesn't meant you can't have hints in there.

Concept art has each of the spirits here associated with a realm !

[keen shore]

Important question. If the flight spirits tried to beat up the abyss crew and give them a bath, what would they do with the assembly spirits? Put food out for them like stray cats? I’ve been pondering this all day

[frigid tinsel]

give them warm blankets made of wooly manta wool

[clear glacier]

just imagine sweet little bird whisperer grabbing a yowling cannoneer

[keen shore]

Ok you know those plastic cat houses you can put on your porch for stray cats. One of those but cadet sleeps in it

[jovial nacelle]

flight guide would drop kick the canoneer

[clear glacier]

everyone would dropkick cannoneer, let's be real here
then treat them to a bunch of goodies because this generation likes to go "he's so skrunkly i want to set him on fire and squash him my little meow meow"
i am this generation

[calm jay]

i feel like cosmetics were the original intent of seasons - the first few seasons didn't have quests. but over time, the story and gameplay became the focus. the newer seasons with more story-driven quests and interactive spirits show that tgc is putting way more into seasons than just cosmetics, and that shouldn't be overlooked. i'm late to the conversation again :')

[keen shore]

Marching adventurer purrito

[radiant notch]

cannoneer is a scrimblo. Blorbo from my shows. put them in the plinko machine

[cedar sun]

Sad-Ist made a king propaganda poster :D

[clear glacier]

RESH RESH RESH
MR RESH

[jovial nacelle]

i've been waiting for this.

The flight spirits ride on the big bird with a large flock of mantas along with them, as soon as they reach the Crystal Cove, Flight guide would dive down with a army of birds, drop-kicking cannoneer unconscious. The Bell maker would start making bery calming bell noises to put the crew into a slumber while Flight Guide absolutely destroys them. Then they start bathing them by placing them into one basket.

[sharp lichen]

Newer seasons have characters with actual personality. Compare to this to the (sorry about this) earlier spirits and they blow it out of the water. Just look at every single Assembly spirit, Canonner, or the dark water drinker

[cedar sun]

He needs to be BIGGER

[calm jay]

i feel like the way lorechat keeps bringing up wooly mantas they will be added to the game

[pastel brook]

#lore-discussion-spoilers definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[jovial nacelle]

King with the voice of General grievous

[distant turtle]

With which realms do you suppose they’re connected?

[jade river]

Its the person who supports the best season to exist

[rigid mural]

There's a stream out there, I may have gotten a screenshot hang on.

[radiant notch]

Wait king as in king krill?

[jade river]

Your candle will be a fine addition to my collection

[keen shore]

Older seasons ALSO have characters with actual personality, but that personality has been shown more through events (days of blooms & fortune) rather than the original, which is good bc they’re not just being flat out ifgnored

[jovial nacelle]

the king

[jovial nacelle]

"You're shorter than I expected." kk gotta go now

[distant turtle]

I can see WL Valley and Vault

[keen shore]

Hot take: the king is/was 3 ft tall. Fight me.

[raw crypt]

slides this over

its a bit crunchy but basically
ruler - isle
collector - prairie
lamplighter - forest
gloat - valley
soldier - wasteland
geographer - vault

[radiant notch]

king as in short king

[jade river]

Haha short

[calm jay]

king was three feet and constantly on stilts to make themself look taller. gnome-like individual

[placid compass]

dark water guy is probably waste
king is well.eden
and i have no clue abt everyone else

[jade river]

Considering the sizes of his statues

He was clearly compensating something

[clear glacier]

wait wait does anyone have the uh
the mural with the supposed king kneeling on the ground giving light?
i have a headcanon i wanna see

[high dagger]

I could see Gloating Narcissist as Valley

[high dagger]

Scholar as Vault and Lamplighter as Forest?

[calm jay]

wait that's actually really funny. isn't an average skykid like 3 ft. the king is child height #shortking

[placid compass]

so i was right on like,,the wasteland front
which one is narc

[keen shore]

YES and. Listen. All I’m saying is that it would explain an awful lot if the king was a chibi

[placid compass]

built the mega diamond to stand on top of to be tall😭

[radiant notch]

This is borderline king slander broooo😭

[rigid mural]

I think what you mean is in the final cutscene of Vault !
@keen shore has a doc with all the murals in the game so far.

[distant turtle]

Wow clearly I missed a good stream

[calm jay]

king got used as an armrest one too many times and chose violence

[high dagger]

Starcollector could be Prairie but that's just cuz there aren't any realms left. If we go with these theory then it's possible the spirits show some of the struggles that led to the downfall of the Kingdom.

[sharp lichen]

Guess where the phrase “short king” came from.

[calm jay]

love that we're all dunking on the king. get him

[radiant notch]

Yes exactly. Go for the ankles

[clear glacier]

guys guys
if the king is short they will be the one biting our ankles

[frigid tinsel]

the king will take your ankles

[keen shore]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM/edit

[radiant notch]

Then again he probably doesn't even have any ankles to bite

[tough coral]

A bit late but if i recall irl manta rays actually produce a sort of "milk" for their young too

[rigid mural]

Oh I thought they meant the Eden mural of the vault elder cutscene

[keen shore]

Relatable. I am vastly approaching this point as well

[frigid tinsel]

by the Valley Elder(s) of course

[rigid mural]

Salem you're so powerful.

[clear glacier]

tqq

[frigid tinsel]

Salem is the mural master

[radiant notch]

Yeah actually who here is actually super chronically short? I'll go first I'm 4'10

[fickle wing]

calling resh a manlet and getting banished from the kingdom challenge

[calm jay]

"72 pages" that is so much you are a godsend

[keen shore]

Thank you. I have not regretted making the mural masterlist once, it’s so useful

[clear glacier]

salem you are a king
better than the anklebiter

[keen shore]

Thank you, but Do Not underestimate my desire to bite ankles and commit violence

[frigid tinsel]

having kings is what ruined the kingdom in the first place

[calm jay]

the king in canon: mysterious, possibly evil, ruler of an entire kingdom
the king as we talk about them: short king, ankle biter, some bratty child

[keen shore]

Slander, Someone banish him

[frigid tinsel]

I don't see you having 4 mental breakdowns a day cos you're a child put in charge of a whole kingdom

[radiant notch]

The only king he is is the burger King with his diy cardboard crown

[rigid mural]

I do wanna point out we don't even see the king in canon, so even how questionable their morality is is unclear.

[keen shore]

True. If this situation happened to me I would do something ridiculous and get assassinated like immediately

[high dagger]

Yeah child kings in history rarely worked out well

[calm jay]

daleth, who is noted as taking care of the prince: i didn't raise you this way
resh, banishing people whenever he wants because he is a child in charge of the whole kingdom: banished
daleth, now demoted to the isle ferryman:

[frigid tinsel]

I have a headcanon that Resh bashed in Dawn's mask, in case you were suppose to like them

[radiant notch]

I have to go now homies, it's almost midnight where I am and that Cannot be good for me so bye, have fun being mean to king!

[keen shore]

Only situation in history where the child has grounded the parent

[tough coral]

I absolutely love any take on the king where hes just, yknow. A kid! doing kid things. i dont think eden blowing up was entirely his fault i think its more the fault of everyone who let a young child rule an entire civilization

[high dagger]

what if the Elders were like... a sterotypical council of advisors that are all vying for the King's favor but also trying to further their own schemes. Hoping Resh would be a good puppet king cuz he fell from the sky and knew next to nothing sorta

[calm jay]

i love the takes of the king as a child but at the same time, i personally see the king as growing up while being king. i dont want to delve too much into my headcanons and own personal canon of the story (because there is a lot and it's mainly just headcanons) but in my eyes, alef (the prince) lost their parents (the former rulers of the kingdom) at a very young age and was immediately crowned king. daleth, (isle elder) was a trusted advisor of the crown and raised alef in their place, advising alef and temporarily making some of the decisions (along with other advisors) while alef was growing up. so when alef grows old enough to make their own decisions, they change their name to resh (king) and appoint the elders (now this is completely in my headcanon - elder is a position. it's weird to explain and kinda goes against canon) as leaders of the realms. so by the time eden is corrupted, resh is in their mid 20's maybe? this is all just headcanon though. i like thinking my own thoughts abt the lore :)

[keen shore]

I LIKE TO IMAFINE RHEM GROWING UP AS KING ROO IT IS GOOD BUT WOULD STILL BE EQUALLY STRESSFUL

[calm jay]

huh. i had to decipher that message

[clear glacier]

Imagine them growing up like the hollow knight from hk
like originally smol like moth, but due to a bunch of influence, laws, rights to uphold, they grow tall but tall doesnt neccessarily mean stable.

[keen shore]

oh my god. I butchered that I am so sorry

[calm jay]

it's all good i understand LMAO

[frigid tinsel]

imagine ruining an ancient civilization in 20 years woo

[keen shore]

Speedrun.

[clear glacier]

yes speedrun ruin

[keen shore]

Personally I think it took a lot longer than 20 years, I just see the elders + king as living a lot longer and having longer/slower lifespans?? Like time would pass differently for them if that makes sense

[rigid mural]

I can confirm mid-20s is the most evil age.

[placid compass]

wouldn’t it be funny if resh was just an evil cat

[keen shore]

Most relatable character in Sky

[frigid tinsel]

eyes Salem susupiciously

[keen shore]

I am an evil cat. What is there to be suspicious about. You know this

[placid compass]

pspspsps

[keen shore]

BRRRRRRP ?

[tough coral]

i like to imagine that the king, being a skykid, literally just didn't grow up. even emotionally, no matter how much they were forced to be "responsible", they never really understood

[calm jay]

i think every iteration of the king is really funny.
young person who is only just growing into their responsibility messing with some unknown power and accidentally corrupting the world?
alternatively, some old guy devising some evil scheme that will do nothing positive for them and lock them in eden for the rest of time?
the little gremlin cat-gnome guy that bites ankles and gets so worked up over not being able to do trials that they decide the whole world needs to explode?
any of these could be canon and we wouldn't know it

[white junco]

resh pushed the eden diamond off the countertop

[keen shore]

WE could be the king and we wouldn’t know it at this point. It’s hilarious

[calm jay]

YES it's so funny

[tough coral]

oh my gosh hold on ive never shown off my headcanon design for the king have i

[high dagger]

What's funny is that everyone actively avoids the more plausible explanations such as "A good king makes some bad decisions on how to make his kingdom prosper and an accidental nuclear power plant going off destroys everything" in favor of the ridiculous ones

[tough coral]

this is the only clear image i have of my headcanon design its from somethin i drew a few days ago. I gave them a tail because they deserve it

[clear glacier]

imo the king would have the moth hair

[tough coral]

yah! i draw moth hair like that actually i ignore the pigtail entirely

[calm jay]

i have so many thoughts on the king and the lore i need to write them down eventually but they have been bouncing around in my head for so long.

[clear glacier]

out of topic, but what are your sky ships? and why?

[tough coral]

I actually put a lot of thought in the design- the reason their cloak has so many bangles and tassels was because everyone kinda thought it was really "immature" for their king to be doing skykid things (like flying, the one thing skykids are designed to do) so they put so much stuff on the fancy cloak that itd just either be too heavy to fly with or too easy to get tangled up in

[high dagger]

I kinda ship Wasteland and Forest... idk I think they would make a power couple
The Knight and The Blacksmith

[placid compass]

we barely know anything about king ,but why does the instrument/prop menu have their symbol?did they like music?we will never know

[clear glacier]

imagine the king playing a harp

[placid compass]

also,that particular menu is more royal looking than all the rest,with golden plating and such

[frigid tinsel]

one idea is that the sun symbol isn't necessarily for the king but for the Light/Megabird in general. the king just adopted that symbol for cradibility

[calm jay]

personally i don't think too much about ships, but i do have a few. festival spindancer and light whisperer because of spin dancer's ts hints. storyteller and modest dancer because they are so cute together. performance guide and frantic stagehand (this one is new and i can't say anything yet), i can't remember any others rn but there were a few more

[high dagger]

It also houses all the props so... I mean lavish decorations and plentiful entertainment are stuff royals likes

[placid compass]

forest beats ppl with the hammer

[high dagger]

You trying to say Wasteland isn't into that? xD

[clear glacier]

Some of my Sky ships include

cannoneer/angler (obviously my go to)
storyteller/juggler (ahaha that one twitter art)
narcissist/lamplighter
rhythm/enchantment (the guides i mean)
mellow/performance
postman/yeti
jelly whisp and thrillseeker arent into each other, both gay, and cause chaos on sanctuary island

welcome to the mind of a multishipper ig

[calm jay]

sorry still thinking about the previous topic, what do you all think the king looks like? in my mind, the diamond on their head is a helmet/mask and the long robe is concealing their form. i imagine they have the moth hair and the old eden crown

[clear glacier]

Imo the long robe hides wings (hehe), they have moth hair and that one early beta accessory that's a crown halo
and the cross on their face would work like childe in his delusion form thingy
edit: also a prosthetic arm

[calm jay]

this crown right? this is the same thing i was talking about!!

[clear glacier]

yes yes the floating crown halo!

[placid compass]

or maybe it’s slightly more horrific and it’s just a circular body with protruding arms

[clear glacier]

be not afraid

[calm jay]

canon

anywho as it is almost 2 am, i'm gonna head out. night yall

[high dagger]

What is that from? That's really cool

[frigid tinsel]

Light Awaits promos

[silk hinge]

has anyone noticed that the manta symbol in forest temple changed to refinery symbol?

[outer hare]

Can you provide a screenshot please ( i have no idea what your talking about )

[rigid mural]

August 2021 - March 2022

[silk hinge]

i was gonna send one but i couldn't get the pic rn hehe ty vela

[jovial nacelle]

I've seen comics of that... the amount of trauma...

[outer hare]

Irreversible..as my friend says, you need unsee juice-

[jovial nacelle]

i can't even begin to describe where the trauma started.

[silk hinge]

the new symbols middle diamond part thing is bigger than the normal refinery symbol though, and i wonder if its just a bug or it is painted black

[outer hare]

I think its just a design choice tbh-

[hushed steeple]

Pats to you guys
Shipping is…no comment, but imaginations can be active

[outer hare]

Its deep when you wander into isle ships- i cleansed my eyes with bleach after the first sentence-

[silk hinge]

it could be, but idk it looks different than the rest of the symbols and its kinda weird to me

[hushed steeple]

Uh-
Don't look at comics of Elder ships
Got it ✍️

[outer hare]

Life lesson to learn-

[clear glacier]

oh dear looks like some other people ended up unfortunately stumbling upon uh...
those

[tranquil harbor]

don't be rude

[clear glacier]

oh no, there's just some really really weird stuff out there
but most of the time it's fine so long as you dont fall down the rabbit hole

[rigid mural]

funny how shushing scholar used to have an umbrella despite being a vault spirit

Reminds me of the light fountains in that realm, you know, the things you can light up to float on ?

[clear glacier]

Imagine if Vault had those funky weather controls

[rigid mural]

Would be useful to make crops grow indoors so they could sustain themselves !

[silk hinge]

it reminds me of those light waterfalls instead

[rigid mural]

Ooooo

[silk hinge]

there is water in the 2 player door area so maybe its for that?

[rigid mural]

Oh interesting ! I always thought the water was due to pipes being so damaged by time or crabs that they broke.

[silk hinge]

there are pipes in vault?!

[rigid mural]

Oh ! I don't think so but I figured maybe they had smaller water pipes, kinda like the bathroom ones.

[rapid arrow]

Yeah, cause the bottom bit of the archives flooded, I always wondered how that happened

[silk hinge]

what would they need water for in vault anyway

[outer hare]

Surviving.....

[rigid mural]

Running water can be used for a lot of things, from just bathroom utilities to hydraulic power.

[silk hinge]

for toilet krill :D

[hushed steeple]

…would there be groundwater in Sky?
Could that be it?

[rapid arrow]

It seems like it

[silk hinge]

same symbol or nah?

[clear glacier]

The one on the guitar is a fermata (hold in music theory) where you can hold down the note compared to the other instruments.
sorry to disappoint you

[rapid arrow]

:O

[silk hinge]

ohhh i see thank you for telling me that

[boreal nebula]

Sorry, you mean like a sustained / long note ?

[clear glacier]

yeah! it's called a fermata

[boreal nebula]

Hey Lorechat, with all the masks and cosmetics lying around

Do you think this big boy sack is a hint from TGC? I really wish we could carry 2-3 props with us in a (smaller than this ) backpack

[clear glacier]

mm klee bag
but quite possibly! seeing as tgc has been doing the prop bag thing, it's not impossible

[boreal nebula]

Look, it holds a regular piano and panflute plus a firework staff, just to mention what IS visible
||TGC, let me dig it inside ||

[harsh pecan]

Samee

[tranquil harbor]

I need to be able to carry an instrument and a table. My friends keep playing music while I'm using a table for chibi purposes and it's torture. I want to jam.

[boreal nebula]

Btw, I think that sack is JUST Frantic Stagehand's backpack

[hushed steeple]

Instrument, chat table, and recharge stick for me
Something else occurred to me in Valley today:
Does Valley have two Elders because there are two races there?
One Elder for the sliding race and one for the flying race

[boreal nebula]

In my mind they both race against each other and they "steel" the first place to each other
Kakashi wins Flying , Dora wins the Skiing
"Oh no, you don't" x2
Dora wins Flying , Kakashi wins the Skiing
"Oh no, you don't" x2
And so on ➿

Btw I used those funny names to be clear, but I like more the other fanname Sah Mekh (because it reminds the placeholder name for both, Sahmekh, or something like that)
Afterall I don't know which is which, Sah or Mekh 😅

[regal forge]

Imagine looking at one of the elders and literally calling them ‘Dora’
Wether or not they’d understand is irrelevant I just-

[outer hare]

AHA- they are my permanent nicknames for them XD

[soft timber]

appears let me be my entire band

[rigid mural]

Stagehands are STRONG

[stark quarry]

You guys does sky spirit use book or do they use the flying lantern thingy in the vault to write or read—

[rigid mural]

Seems like both ! Timid Bookworm is seen reading a book, while Wise Grandparent seems to be browsing through the memory cubes !

[floral grove]

the whole weight of each performance are placed on his shoulders

[floral grove]

He would have some sort of protection if it had started raining memory lanterns

[floral grove]

it lines up so well

[regal forge]

I was gonna ask “what’s up lore chat” but suddenly I’m afraid to ask

[spark cairn]

Very late addition cause it was 12 am for me when this was said, but I imagine they come back for more food like that video with a herd of cats on the porch.

[foggy lotus]

ayo season of performance and season of lightseekers prolly took place at the same time what does this mean

[rapid arrow]

There’s a lot of weird timeline things going on. The Eden backdrop is how we see Eden along with the golden wasteland. We know lightseekers are probably a post apocalyptic group, so this opens a theory of possibly the valley didn’t truly fall until years after the Eden explosion.

[tranquil harbor]

Or the spirits are genuinly still sticking around and don't just ascend forever and never come back.

[rapid arrow]

Maybe

[frigid tinsel]

Those are memories tho, not spirits themselves. Possible the performance memories occurred before but close to the fall, the Eden backdrop painted later

[white junco]

side note but i love how we’ve seen twirling champion, cheering spectator, and leaping dancer all hanging out with one of the others in different memories. Petition to let all three of them cause chaos together

[slate saffron]

I swear to resh if we don't get any spirits whose memories happen during the fall I'm gonna cry and very possibly violence my way into prison

[keen shore]

Every time a vault crop growing area gets mentioned, I get so happy. Can you imagine how cool it would be?? Not just for food, but also to chill in considering how indoors vault is. I want it so badly.

Imagining shushing scholar helping tend the plants there has added 5 years to my lifespan

[rigid mural]

The Eden backdrop was done during Stagehand's career, probably within the lifespan of most spirits here.

Lightseekers and the rest of the spirits involved likely saw the fall of Eden

Might need to update my graph, though I am now almost certain most if not all spirit memories take place within the same period of time.

[heavy comet]

i thought these would also have eagle ish heads on them like in the stadium but they dont??

[rapid arrow]

Well, seeming how the Valley is well a valley. Most of the place seems unaffected by the explosion. Besides the room where the sparkler parents is found. Plus dreams and the dreams theatre are separated by a lot of mountains. So it is very likely that everyone in the valley watched Eden happen.

[novel marten]

Imagine being the yeti spirit and seeing it happen from the tallest part of the mountain

[frigid tinsel]

unaffected by the immediate Eden calamity, sure. maybe there were some shock waves if it was an explosion that rocked the terrain and buildings. otherwise, ancestors in Triumph would have the best view of the Eden calamity. maybe they even had telescopes to get a closer view.

but after? how much did the kingdom function internally after that? because due to Triumph's location high up in a mountain range with uneven terrain and snow covering the land, they likely couldn't mass-produce enough food to sustain a city. that and they might've been cut off from the lower kingdom due to the Storm clouds. if some ancestors lived in Valley after Eden fell, it wouldn't be for long.
why is this realm called Valley of Triumph when it's mostly on a mountain? i digress

[native shoal]

Maybe they evacuated while there was still a path?

[frigid tinsel]

Well some didn’t given there are spirits petrified there

[rapid arrow]

Also for the last bit Alasdair. It’s probably a mountain valley, I have one of those where I live

But yeah, thinking about people in the valley as Eden exploded. The terror the must’ve felt. Seeing this place of great importance to them, exploding right in front of them. Mothers desperately clutching children. They probably tired to carry on life as normal after all the shockwaves were sent out but all the lustre that the Valley had before was very dulled

[frigid tinsel]

yea. I don't have the time to go on a tangent about the Golden Valley hypothesis. basically Golden Wasteland and Valley of Triumph used to be considered one place but the industrial deluge and darkness swamped in the lower valleys, turning it into the contemporary Wasteland, while the city in the mountains were basically untouched because of the elevation.

there's a 7 Days of Sky tweet that says there was a Golden Valley planned but I can't track it down and every time I talk about this, someone calls me crazy.

[keen shore]

Headcanon. All the city bits of Valley are either past the valley temple gates, or inaccessible before you go through them (like, you have to pass through the gates and circle back along a route accessible from there to get to them). Doesn’t the message below the realm title say “race down the slopes and the city gates will open to honor you” instead of temple gates?? I tried to test this out but the message Refused to show for me

Hold on alasdair I know what you’re talking about. Let me see if I can find it

Here u go friend. It didn’t state it directly but IMO the implication is fairly obvious

[novel marten]

I do hope for an art book

[keen shore]

“Why is the realm called valley of triumph when it’s on a mountain?”
Top 10 questions science still can’t answer to this day

[frigid tinsel]

screenshot 1

4️⃣ "Golden Valley is like a downtown of the Sky kingdom. People built a huge city on top of this mountain, using boats to move between places."
screenshot 2
u/hollyfae_art: I think it's cute how you guys kept saying "Golden Valley" in the caption [instead] of Valley of Triumph! Was that the original name?

u/thatskygame: it's actually the internal name of a specific area in Valley of Triumph!
Salem I love you /platonic

[novel marten]

My guess is that the Golden Valley they mean is the area around the end of the race to the end of the temple, but that’s just how I’m understanding what they mean. But I love that GW theory too so

[keen shore]

Thank you!!!!! It was pretty easy to find, I remembered it being posted on their Instagram :3 the reason you may not have found it before is because you were only looking on their Twitter — they may not have included the descriptions there bc of character limit. I will check

[frigid tinsel]

also it's hell searching for old tweets
91 weeks ago, oml

[keen shore]

Nvm searching for old tweets sucks. I scrolled down too far and crashed my browser

I WAS CORRECT THO. screenshot from wiki

[high dagger]

On the topic of watching Eden destroyed what if a lot of these memories happened after the disaster? Like Season pf Dreams... What if all the spirits banded together to give this one little girl a day of being the skating star she never was going to be able to be because the kingdom gone and they are just barely surviving but lets all give this girl her dream however small

[keen shore]

That could be the case for a Lot of seasonal memories/events, especially basegwme stuff and seasons like assembly and abyss, but I just can’t see it for dreams personally. Partially because of the lack of effort shown in the season to actually trying to survive but also because the story makes a lot more sense pre disaster.

I can see dreams happening close to Eden though, like a little bit before.

[keen shore]

Headcanon: to enter golden valley u have to give the twins a light offering (and maybe defeat them in hockey)

[frigid tinsel]

So perhaps the city gates are after the Elder temple, but they’re covered by the clouds of the Wasteland?

[keen shore]

Since there’s a whole dramatic cutscene where you reach the bottom and temple gates open, I was thinking they were synonymous. Like the twins are gatekeepers or something, and most of the city that you’d initially see upon first entering is covered by the thick clouds between valley + wasteland

[high dagger]

I understand you. I don't think the memories would need to show surviving though for them to have taken place after. Especially if these spirits were relatively safe in the mountains for a time.
In theory Eden may have died suddenly but that doesnt mean the rest of the kingdom did. Darkness could have slowly crept up in all the other areas until the last survivors were frozen

[keen shore]

I just noticed this, but the quote “Golden Valley consisted of both rich and poor communities, centered around the theater”…. Hmmm… is there a more important/well known theater in valley that we haven’t seen yet? With how small the village one is, I can’t see it being the main one

[outer hare]

But it also says "they all enjoyed the race"

[calm jay]

golden valley makes me think about the citadel w the huge golden rotating. architecture,,, i dont know how to describe it. maybe it's near there? my first thought was that little bit after the temple though, because it is the bridge between golden wasteland n valley

[high dagger]

Would the poorer communities had been at the top of the mountain then? Possible considering the temple and stadium at the bottom. And wealthier people might have gravitated to living near it

[frigid tinsel]

“The theater” implies they were entertained by the arts of theater

[keen shore]

That ignores other, more obvious things they’d need to survive, like food and water. Alasdair explains it a little better here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]. I just can’t see it. Valley is probably an area that would need trade with other realms to survive, something they probably wouldn’t have access to after the disaster. Especially considering it was a city with a high population, so even if food could be grown there, it would have to be enough to support them

[keen shore]

…And? They can enjoy multiple things at the same time. There can be a big fancy theater AND two big fancy races. I’m a little confused by this response

[frigid tinsel]

According to Zhao’s concepts, layout wise, the wealthy and working class could both be situated on mountain peaks. The difference between them seem to be buildings (wealthy has floating bits, working class do not and are smaller). So it would not be a matter of elevation but location along the mountain range

[rapid arrow]

So it’s likely the citadel held the wealthy people?

[keen shore]

Okay, hear me out. What if wasteland is the valley (between the triumph and Eden mountains), not the realm actually LABELED valley of triumph? Like… the valley realm is where you slide down to enter it

(Also, would prefer to talk about the whole valley/wasteland city layout thing instead of post apocalypse stuff right now)

[novel marten]

It’s why the citadel is separated from the rest, most likely

[high dagger]

Yeah I read this earlier. It's what I'm still going off of. Mostly I am in love with the idea of these spirits giving a little girl her moment in the spotlight before they all succumb to darkness. Idk it's all a tragedy but that little shining light of hope is what gets me

[frigid tinsel]

Citadel really interests me cos a citadel is more than just a fancy building but a *fortress,” a stronghold

that commands a city and is used in the control of the inhabitants and in defense during attack or siege.
So even though we got the orreys there implying some astrological studies, it’s intended use was military defense. What else has military stuff in it? Contemporary Wasteland.

[novel marten]

It might not matter as much in other locations, but I just wanted to say that the building style of Valley’s working-class is also sorta similar to the towers/ruins in Wasteland and buildings in Prairie.

[rigid mural]

We do see ruined buildings that look like they are stuck mid-fall I the flying race, I'd say that the floating posh buildings ironically got hit the hardest since they not only suffered from shockwaves (could have fragilised what they couldn't destroy outright), but also probably plummeted down some altitude too...

Just saying the ancestors in Valley probably didn't get to pull out the popcorn

[keen shore]

IM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THIS BEDAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS INTERESTING TO ME??? What the kingdom would have had to defend against.

Let me explain. There doesn’t seem to be much evidence of other outside civilizations that couldn’t be explained away better in some other way (like where the enchantment spirits came from). Invasion is crossed off the list. Dark creatures make sense for wasteland (only partially considering the structure of the battlefield fortress… but still) but not for valley. Light creatures suffer from a similar issue, because why would you put a fortress in the sky to defend it from flying creatures. by process of elimination, the only things I could think of that would Need to be defended from are civil wars and/or riots. (They’re pretty closely linked in this case, so lumping them together)

[novel marten]

And while I’m at it… there’s only one other location that has levitating architecture like the wealthy side of Valley. It’s Vault.

||and this kind of archetecture returns in Orbit ascent as well||

[frigid tinsel]

If the Eden calamity was an explosion, then the ancestors who saw it prob felt the way citizens in Beiruit, Lebanon did when their port exploded last year. Terrified, scared senseless — that’s their home

[rapid arrow]

Ok ok, in the movie “Castle in the Sky” the citadel reminds me of the military base. There’s probably way more under the clouds that I would krill to explore

[keen shore]

“You have floating architecture in your realm so that you can look cool and impressive. I have floating architecture in my realm so I can reach the books on the top shelf. We are not the same”

[novel marten]

It probably speaks wonders about Vault Elder that she was the pinnacle of her realm

It’s also interesting that there’s an Eden portal at the end of the Vault cutscene, because when you go out of bounds you realize that the little room at the end of the elder cutscene is super high above everything else. Access to Eden / Orbit must have been that important

[frigid tinsel]

It could be possible there were outside civilizations that no longer exist, whether beaten and absorbed by the kingdom or also didn’t survive the Eden calamity and the resultant apocalypse

[keen shore]

Yes. But.

Think about all the walls you see, all the defense fortifications, and so on. There aren’t walls around the cities; Prairie doesn’t have anything built to defend it from an outside attack and neither does Forest, despite how important both are to the survival of the kingdom. The most defended area is the wasteland temple and everything behind it (Vault, Eden) with a second place going to Valley’s citadel.

The unique thing about this that is REALLY INTERESTING to me is that it implies the threat came from within instead of outside. Hence why only the really important bits within the kingdom are defended, and not the entire kingdom itself.

[novel marten]

The also interesting bit about this… the fact that mostly Wasteland is the battlefront tells me that they didn’t know until it was too late. They didn’t have time to build battlefronts for the other realms, they had to make due.

And perhaps there was something else in Wasteland they needed to defend like power diamonds?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe there was either a civil war, a dark creature invasion, or a combination of the two?

[keen shore]

The Citadel can also be seen as evidence of preparation against war, although whether it happened before or during the wasteland war is unknown. Maybe Wasteland did comprise most of the city, but that part got wiped out during the war, and now only the bits of the city on the mountain slopes remain.

[warm flame]

07

[keen shore]

Talked about evidence for other types of threats/invasion here, and why only the civil war option makes sense considering the structure of the defensive fortifications. [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[sharp lichen]

Single 0 seven

[outer hare]

probably to protect the vault- i think they knew that they couldnt survive

[novel marten]

This is why Vault needs a canon season area

[sharp lichen]

Starlight desert is canon. Fight me.

[novel marten]

I still think it’s canon and all but I just think that if Vault had its own dedicated original season that would be epic

[outer hare]

I sense a war coming along...........or maybe its just the wind 👀

but if you dont mind...could i please hear why vault is canon? most people oppose that idea-

[sharp lichen]

The Vault itself? Home portals. Daily quests. Seasonal candles. Wind paths. Don’t forget Performance backgrounds!