lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

to me it's mostly to get a sense of how much the player lived through; enchantment vets knew the valley coliseum before dreams for example !

[native shoal]

Using this definition I’m a veteran now which is great

[sharp lichen]

There’s a difference between a lore moth and a Sky moth. And I’m thinking that a lore veteran is someone who can teach lore moths about Sky and start them on their journey to become lore veterans themselves.

[tranquil harbor]

For me, it was more something to strive towards. I felt good when I felt I was learning things and could sense my impending graduation.

[lyric isle]

hello I wanna change my nickname but mobile will not let me

pls don’t call me a veteran btw. I don’t like it

[outer hare]

Bssically whoever can type stuff and make it elaborate yet simple enough to understand XD

[lyric isle]

aye, that’s nice! glad you like that idea

[native shoal]

I decided that I had completely ascended mothhood once I was able to actually do that spirit in citadel alone

[frigid tinsel]

I was actually wondering about that — what did the Valley colosseum look like before Dreams? Because it seems, as with Performance, that the structure changed rather than the clouds parting as for other seasonal areas. It makes me wonder why it took so long for skykids to discover the Dreams Village if it’s just right there.

[native shoal]

I imagined that a avalanche revealed it

[sharp lichen]

I still think that no matter what, veterans (both lore and regular) shouldn’t be measured on how many months they’ve played or tses they’ve bought or stuff like that

[outer hare]

I guess i am. but im not

[tranquil harbor]

I was chasing the turtle and Salem declared me 'not a moth' as a joke and suddenly it just kinda clicked into place. I felt like I wasn't a moth anymore. So Salem is magic, at least.

[lyric isle]

I just consider myself an ‘oldie’ lightheartedly

[native shoal]

For when I actually considered myself not a moth anymore: when I got seasonal pants

[frigid tinsel]

It’s funny how blokes think those donned up maskless Rhythm pants are vets cos I did that once on my third ever Eden run, first time going alone, and a couple moths flocked to me begging to lead them up. I think they thought I was a vet. We got messed up and lost a lot of winged light on the ascent.

[tranquil harbor]

Eden isn't that difficult if you take it slow, but the final krill is awful. I just can't get its pattern down

[lyric isle]

I remember being part of the new kids…….it feels so long ago

[frigid tinsel]

Memories

[rigid mural]

the twins got summoned to dig a hole through a mountain

[outer hare]

I considered myself a vet when i realised i had been playing longer than some of my more fashionable friends XD. I never really became a vet honestly, just sat there and was told that i clearly didnt act like one by some of my friends TwT. ( if you dont understand this message im sorry )

[native shoal]

I joined decently early on in flight so once that season ended I felt all grown up

[raw crypt]

after every rhythm ts theres a new wave of maskless rhythm pants moths and i was one of them when juggler arrived, living the pretty boy dreams

THO WATER PROPHET GOT ME STARTED, juggler completed the look

[rigid mural]

it's a matter of perspective, to some a vet is a really good flier, to other they reached expensive cosmetics (though you will be surprised at how fast you can get to elder hair), and some are considered vets just by virtue of having been there for a while.

[tranquil harbor]

I could feel impending graduation once bloom started, but I was expecting it to happen during performance lol

[frigid tinsel]

Wondering about skykid culture now — the skids hold a little celebration when their moth graduates from mothhood

[rigid mural]

I like to think a moth's first season is celebrated !

[sharp lichen]

Graduation implies that there’s a moth college

[frigid tinsel]

You can graduate from elementary, middle, and high school

[rigid mural]

putting sky kids in elementary school but they fly away when they don't like the classes

[tranquil harbor]

For me, a Vet is a mixture of time and experience. It doesn't matter if you started sky right once it became available if you've only played for a sum total of 2 days, for example. But if you look up everything there is to know about sky first, you're still not magically a Vet on day one

[sharp lichen]

Moths have no formal education; most of them have to rely on vets or other moths

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids raise other skykids, teaching the next generation who in turn teaches the next

[keen shore]

I feel like at least some spirits would totally be into starting an elementary school for skykids

[tranquil harbor]

Vault Elder teaches us to read, chaos ensues

[rigid mural]

I headcanon spirits know when a skykid is all new and they can even remember who is who despite the cosmetics, so I like to imagine flight guide getting excited for a moth of their season finally feeling like themselves in their... shoes ?

[keen shore]

They see that moth adopting other moths and are like “oh god. I am a grandparent now”

[rigid mural]

abyss guide getting flower crown spelled when the skykid they were interacting with noticed they looked interested in theirs

[tranquil harbor]

How is it only 6:30 I'm dying

[keen shore]

I love the general concept in lorechat that skykids are super powerful — they can manifest spells at will, fly, are almost unkillable, and are extremely good at learning/mimicking things like emotes and calls. However, they only use these powers for little kid things

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids showing little moths the best kind of flowers for flower crowns and how to string the petals together

[tranquil harbor]

Skids are baby to the core. Except when they take on Eden. They're actually rather hardcore little ones

[sharp lichen]

I doubt that the Elders could even harm the Skykids, in fact

[keen shore]

All of you are lying to yourselves if you think that day and Dawn and night elders would not immediately adopt us and then become like kingdergargen teacher

[frigid tinsel]

Kids can only conceive of using their powers for their little kid whims and childish wants

[tranquil harbor]

add vault you coward /lh

[keen shore]

You are sooo right how could I forget

[tranquil harbor]

I'm still all over the idea of the fireworks staff being the ancestor equivilant to an emergency flare gun, but the kids get it, with their super battery in baby form selves, and then go 'Toy!'

[keen shore]

YESSS AWW. I wonder if abyss guide would’ve even seen those flowers before becoming a spirit … nevermind I refuse to introduce angst into this conversation

[native shoal]

I’m actually working towards getting the firework staff lol

[frigid tinsel]

If they grew up rich they might have flowers

[keen shore]

This message gave me a crisis. First it was that some players have never seen the original Colisuem, because I started out with it and sometimes forget the change ever happened in the first place — I still get surprised that the coli is different looking when I enter. Then, I realized I’d forgotten what the original looked like and had to sit down for a minute

[tranquil harbor]

What did the original look like? I think I remember seeing a picture with clouds, but it might have been light awaits

[keen shore]

From what I remember, it was just the one we have now minus the orreries and the seating arrangements with banners. It was just an emptier version basically

[rigid mural]

Before Dreams ? It also didn't have an ice rink afaik, there was actually clouds in there. Which is why you find that in the Valley OOB, the twins are hovering over a platform instead of an ice rink !

[keen shore]

No wait. I remember the ice rink always being there… how do I check this… I remember hating doing races because I always skidded around the bottom to collect the light and whacked into things

[rigid mural]

Wierd, Raider, another enchantment vet, said they saw the cloudy coliseum iirc.

[sharp lichen]

I’m looking though some old videos, and yes, the beginning of Coliseum used to have a cloudy part

[frigid tinsel]

link the vid w/ timestamp?

[shadow seal]

that is a good point. what is a veteran then? someone who knows the ins and outs of the game?

[tranquil harbor]

No, because even if you successfully google every little thing and then make an account, you're still technically a moth

[shadow seal]

true true

[frigid tinsel]

the term "veteran" implies having a lot of experience due to playing the game for a long period of time

[sharp lichen]

It also means having a high amount of expertise, which doesn’t relate with time

[calm jay]

here's one of nastymold's old videos with the clouds. https://youtu.be/XZq7rgcrPhk?t=593 (9:55)

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's a mix of time and experience

[sharp lichen]

You have to play the game to know it. For example, you have to get used to the controls

[tranquil harbor]

You can still know what the controls are ahead of time though

6 minutes Please

[queen forum]

I just considered anybody who got through two or more seasons actively a veteran.

[frigid tinsel]

wow the coliseum radically changed

[shadow seal]

it feels really weird looking at the coliseum like that

[white junco]

oh i remember that coliseum, i used to get stuck under the platform a lot bc of the clouds

[tranquil harbor]

-frustrated screaming-

[shadow seal]

anyone who can easily do oobs is a veteran to me

[white junco]

i mostly go off vibes, though I remember when someone called me old after a year of playing and

it was two players and they had valley and wasteland ultimates, meanwhile i still have yet to complete a realm besides isle

[frigid tinsel]

if you take that skykids are only as old as long as players' accounts existed, then age would seem wonky to them. they don't really have the same sense of scale as we do. a two-year-old skid will get sneered as a grandparent.

[keen shore]

???

[sharp lichen]

you have been here for 1/3 of Sky's life

[white junco]

just going to mention that I hit 2 years of sky on May 22nd

[keen shore]

Another appearance of the Diamond, why is it here

[rigid mural]

diamond's also on the bridge in hermit valley

[sharp lichen]

i hit mine in june. We both have bene here for more than half of Sky's life

[shadow seal]

oh i saw the same thing before while i was on my way through valley

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat: why are these diamond symbols everywhere??? what do these means?? uhhhh ◈◇◆⋄◆◇◈
ancestors: fun shape

[shadow seal]

how can you remember how long you have been playing?

[frigid tinsel]

I've been taking screenshots since my first day. first pic is dated 6 August 2021

[sharp lichen]

I'm not really sure, but i estimate June. I delete most of my screenshots lol

[white junco]

i go off of when i downloaded the app, switch players have the extra bonus (or curse) of seeing how many hours they’ve played

[shadow seal]

ooooh i see

[keen shore]

Switch players aren’t real

[white junco]

technically i started May 22 but I only played a couple days, got to prairie and got very mad that other players were reliving spirits so fast I couldn’t see the memories, and then put it down til august

[shadow seal]

i think ive been on for a year now

[sharp lichen]

Switch players are an illusion created by the Little Prince. Why is he so associated with the console in art?

[rigid mural]

you're laughing but one day they will T-pose to assert dominance on us

[keen shore]

Okay But. It IS weird how similar to the purple light symbol this is??? Why is everywhere Help. Why does purple light have to share its shmbols with so many other things, like a sibling that isn’t allowed to have their own room

[keen shore]

YES. if crab call gets enough power, I’m worried or hopeful that they’ll just escape Sky entirely and teleport into irl world

[rigid mural]

spade dont call us out like that

[raw crypt]

its a curse

[frigid tinsel]

if they do that, we can track them down and interrogate them for lore

[white junco]

well the diamond symbol has the center thingie also as a diamond, but the purple light symbol has a circle. so maybe purple light represents a more specific instance of what the diamond symbol represents?

[keen shore]

Oooh that’s a good idea!! Alternatively, and what I just realized… the Diamond shape and dot in the middle kinda makes it look like an eye. Iirc ancestor/elder eyes have a similar Diamond shape as well

purple light is just the middle child of all the prophecy/ench lights, that’s why it has to share its symbol with everyone

[white junco]

purple light got left with the symbol leftovers and had to alter a pre-existing one

[rigid mural]

i like how there's stars above the taller scholar figure, would that symbolise they are the elder ?

[keen shore]

“Hey, we just discovered a new light, can you think of any shapes to put in its symbol?”
Alchemist ancestor reaching unprecedented levels of excitement: DIAMOND

[frigid tinsel]

Can’t be an Elder cos they got the two lines in the abdomen like other ancestors. Could be a leader or some chieftain

[keen shore]

It’s also really neat/weird that they have the scholar headdress even tho ench spirit s do Not. I vote tall guy with big hat is enchantment guide

[white junco]

pretty sure that’s enchantment qg based on the other mural that comes after it. Could signify a stronger connection to the Light maybe

[tranquil harbor]

stars above that one may not be 'on purpose' but rather because there was empty space to put stars

[rigid mural]

levitating adept maybe ? they have the elder mask

[keen shore]

6 stars floating above the leaders’ head, 6 spirits in ench besides the guide,,, hmmm

[white junco]

omg wait notice how the taller figure isn’t in the one where they fall out of the boat 👁️👁️

hello “season guide died first” theory/headcanon

[keen shore]

Looked up ts hints to check that I was counting the ench spirits right, got hit with the devastating fact that playfight herbalist is afraid of storms. Oh :(

[white junco]

:(

[frigid tinsel]

oh

[rigid mural]

FAIR, I forgot about that, though it's interesting to see that the number of figures may be a hint

[white junco]

same braincell omg
i like how you circled the individual boats and put a bunch of question marks

[keen shore]

I thought that was super interesting too!! Also notice how the lights don’t fall out with them, implying that the crash and the lights getting dispersed were two separate events. Hey want to hear my headcanon on why that is

[white junco]

yes 👀

[rigid mural]

notice how some symbols also repeat, the boats that may be ppl outside the enchant crew have lights that are already in the ark, perhaps they escaped in time

also i want to hug playfight very tight, thats messed up :(((

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

Ok so. Apologies in advance if this doesn’t make sense. My idea is that in order to use the lights, an ancestor has to absorb them into their inner light (I also hc ancestors as being light beings like us) and they become part of them. The lights can be taken out in little bits, similar to our candles, in order to be used, but the user has to be careful not to deplete them all and needs to recharge after. They only separate from the user’s inner light completely if they’re rejected, or if the user dies.

Each of the 6 enchantment spirits absorbed and used a different light. Since those lights has become part of them, they couldn’t ascend without them being returned. Hence why they want them so badly, why each spirit has a specific one, and why the lights being dispersed were a separate event — that happened as the spirits died.

It would also explain why sanctuary guide needs their memories + cyan light back to ascend, bc they’re the same way

[rigid mural]

Do you think the memories of Scarecrow and Alchemist happened before or after they absorbed the lights ?

[keen shore]

I was thinking after because they use to lights successfully,

Until now I assumed that they’d already absorbed the lights before the crash, but now that you mention it I wonder if they had to absorb them out of desperation and tried to use them to help themselves survive…

[white junco]

that would make a lot of sense actually, as they have the lights in the boat in the murals. For the enchantment lights that are also prophecy lights, we’ve seen in murals how powerful those can be

[rigid mural]

just had the idea but imagine absorbing one of the lights changes the color of the ancestor's inner light

[keen shore]

Those have been bothering me too. For a while I assumed they happened in chronological order from left to right, like those murals just show 2 ench spirits traveling to the others with their lights, and by the time of the crash they were all together. If that’s not true, three things could have happened:

1] those 2 spirits managed to escape somehow
2] they left to get help in their still functional boats, but for whatever reason, either didn’t return in time or never returned at all
3] 2 other spirits were involved in ench, but either managed to ascend normally or never died at all and got out safely

[rigid mural]

Maybe the lights went back to the other realms because that's where the associated spirit came from ? Maybe they longed for home even in death...

[keen shore]

OOOOOHHHH THIS WOULD BE SUPER NEAT

I am late to add this because I just realized, but my theory does make it kind of weird that ench guide themselves doesn’t require a light. It could be that the lights were absorbed after the crash, and like the other mural might show, they died before absorbing one :(

[rigid mural]

Found this really neat comic on twitter that went on that they were a crash casualty (due to saving one of the other spirits but that's besides the point), perhaps it was a case of captain goes down with the ship ?

[white junco]

salem now that u mention that, i am thinking about how that one enchantment concept art shows the guide with a white light with the enchantment symbol on it (cannot send image bc my cell service is abysmal 💔)

[keen shore]

OH THIS HURTS… it could be just the “instincts” of the light if that makes sense (considering we see them in similar locations on prophecy murals) or something like that that you mentioned… maybe they wanted to go back to places they remembered on their travels to see again, or to finally explore vault because they never got to see it… the red light (which I think was nodding muralist) wanted to stick close to their friends and watch over them…

OW

[raw crypt]

orb

[rigid mural]

Ok so Alchemist and Scarecrow are obvious, but why do you think the others would need the lights ?
Maybe crab walk thought that with the Cyan light they cloud lift the ship up, but ultimately they failed.

[rigid mural]

PONDERINMG

[hushed steeple]

Hi lore chat has there been any lore since....uhhhh? Lets seee.....uhh? The animation teaser?

[rigid mural]

we might get some with the performance qg card, but so far, darkstone guitar

[keen shore]

Final image for headcanoning referjeci to make spirits easy st 2 recognize

[keen shore]

OOOHH… OHHH THIS IS SUPER INTERESTING. The ench symbol looks MUCH more like a boat here :0

[rigid mural]

salem
the boat
in the piggyback tunnel

[keen shore]

OHHHHHHHFHFHHHH THE ABOT WHAT THATS SO COOL. THAT EXPLAINS EHU THE STAR IS ON TOP

HERE IS A MURAL SHOWING THE SUMBOL FOR JUST GENERAL LIGJTS, WHICH MIGHTVE BEEN THE LIGHTS THE LIGHTSEEKERS WERE AFTER AND THE ONES IN THE BOAT. NOTICE HOW SIMILAR THEH LOOK TO THE ONE IN

[rigid mural]

Maybe the guide's white light was an unrefined one ? kinda like the eevee of lights

[keen shore]

It might also be a symbolic representation of all the light colors together, because they’re the guide… hmmmm…

[rigid mural]

OHHH BECAUSE ALL COLORS TOGETHER DO WHITE IN POSITIVE LIGHT

[keen shore]

Another neat thing to mention is that scarecrows light (green light) has a Heavy association with prairie. It’s where you find it, tje elder has that light, and so on. Possibly further support for maybe headcanon of them being from prairie ?

[rigid mural]

Makes sense since they are a farmer !

[white junco]

side note for enchantment related things but I find it super interesting that the enchantment murals follow standard ancestor shorthand with the symbols, except for the krill. Muralist paints that krill in full detail, like that is the exact silhouette. Which makes me think that not only was this the first krill the enchantment crew probably ever saw, but it was when krill were either very new or never before seen, bc there was no shorthand drawing for it

[rigid mural]

We do find a krill drawn like this in Prophecy too !

[keen shore]

that’s a super neat observation :0 I wonder if that means that krill was one of the first, or just that they hadn’t explored wasteland too much

Also, the same logic could technically be applied to the prophecy krill

[white junco]

I thought so but for some reason it’s not in any of my screenshots, wth

like the krill is in the corner of this one and that’s it for my screenshots

[keen shore]

THE BEAST

[rigid mural]

this reinforces the theory that last mural was put in way later, perhaps

[sharp lichen]

With Prophecy: the Prophets knew that they were coming, but they weren’t really familiar with it. I also think that the Krill was one of the later things prophecized, since it seems like a late addition

[white junco]

we do see them add stuff to murals as stuff moves on, for example i don’t think the dead bodies in the trials were there when the trial depictions were first painted
oh and also alef

[keen shore]

they added them in like “WE FINALLY FOUND OUT WHAT THE WEIRD KID LOOKS LIKE”

[white junco]

maybe Alef also experienced the issue of the water trial glow not wearing off when you complete it

[keen shore]

Oh. That explains a lot

[rigid mural]

and then they draw this

[white junco]

maybe they had stencils or something and just didn’t want to make a new one

[keen shore]

Look ok. How were they supposed to know that they would ACFUALLY be glowing

[white junco]

they should’ve prophesised that

[keen shore]

Sitting there drawing the mural like “I thought it was a joke…”

[white junco]

meanwhile the prince is running around looking like this

I didn’t actually realize it was a glitch at first, like oh yeah we’re glowing now, makes sense

[rigid mural]

the orbit swag

[keen shore]

Imagine all the glowing kids pouring out of water trials and prophecy guide starts to panic like. Oh no I made more of them

[white junco]

HSHDHSHSD

[frigid tinsel]

Prophecy Guide: concern

[keen shore]

What would prophecy guide do if they saw a WL

[harsh pecan]

king symbol

[rigid mural]

sky kids fresh out of the trials @ prophecy guide

[keen shore]

Accidentally turning the water trial into the king copypasting machine

[sharp lichen]

Oh I remember that glitch. I used to think they were TGC devs or hackers messing with the game

[rigid mural]

I don't think it's possible to see a dev in the wild anyway

[frigid tinsel]

How would you even know if a dev was a dev?

[rigid mural]

they got creative mode on

[frigid tinsel]

They get a special marker next to their name tag like in Minecraft servers

[keen shore]

I heard devs get to wear 2 capes at once

[tough coral]

hi! If this is where headcanons go i have a lot to say about my beloved valley twins because they bring me joy and any character that makes me happy is bound to end up with a lot of headcanons- oh. Oh that is a 40 second slowmode timer that took me off guard i am not used to slowmode

[keen shore]

YES YES PSOR HEADCANON

[tranquil harbor]

Slowmode timer our beloathed ❤️

[quartz geyser]

do hotdogs exist

[tough coral]

okay this is gonna be difficult because i naturally type in a lot of very short sentences but i think the valley twins are skykids! I don't really have a lot of solid evidence to back this up aside from 1: skykids existing at the same time as the ancestors based on that one isle of dawn spirit and 2: the valley twins are shown with the wind trial Thingy in the murals.
despite only having two solid points to back up my claim i... i just like to think that theyre skykids! Its a fun headcanon and i think they deserve it

[keen shore]

You COULD be right, but not for the reasons you expect. Me and a few others are bouncing around a theory thst elders and skykids are the same/similar species, which would technically make the twins skykids by extension,

I mean think about it. We both look really similar in terms of color palette when our flame is out. The star partern along our chest/back reappears for both of us when relit. They even have the < <> > on their chests it’s super neat

[rigid mural]

flighted valley twins are chaotic and unstoppable forces

[frigid tinsel]

Good thing winged light didn’t exist baxk then. No wait if they’re skykids—

[tough coral]

ah! thats a valid headcanon and pretty neat too! i personally like playing with the idea of the ancestors n skykids being different species tho- although at this point ive gone a little too far down the worldbuilding rabbithole especially when it comes to megabird and megabird related topics... i just think shes neat! (My interpretation of) megabird makes me so unbelievable happy even if shes probably not all that canon compliant at this point lol

[tranquil harbor]

Actually, it's a possibility that the Elders are not Ancestors

[tranquil harbor]

Get rekt jocks

[raw crypt]

L + Ratio + You are capeless

[tough coral]

im actually pretty interested in hearing all of the different headcanons for this sorta stuff actually- sometimes i work myself into a feedback loop with my own headcanons so fresh material is always fun :D

[keen shore]

Idea: the valley twins are the ones behind the wind walls. They baby gated the realms for us

[rigid mural]

L + ratio + capeless + no candles

[harsh pecan]

atleast they can ride the wooly manta...

[tough coral]

... i actually have a very. verrry complicated headcanon for the whole situation with the king too. it might take a while to type it out tho so i wont unless anyones interested (just never had a chance to share my headcanons with sky fans who dont already know them tbh)

[keen shore]

SHARE

[tranquil harbor]

You shouldn't be afraid to share

[rugged jackal]

Yes tell me

[harsh pecan]

share it

[soft timber]

slides in here Share please

[keen shore]

We are like crows finding shiny objects when it comes to headcanons. We were headcanoning about the ench spirits earlier

[white junco]

headcanons r so cool, they’re so cool they have little shiny particle effects

[tough coral]

okay okay gathered my thoughts time to write a wall deep breath

[raw crypt]

YESSS TEXTWALL TIME

[keen shore]

TIEM 4 WALL. also I promise u we all have super complex headcanons u are not alonge

[rugged jackal]

Take your time

[frigid tinsel]

I love how you draw the Valley Elder(s)

[tough coral]

so, to start, for convenience purposes i'm calling the king Atlas. Its just a silly little name i gave them and i got attached so just keep that in mind. Now, by my headcanons(?) (i mightve heard somewhere that it was canon at some point but im genuinely not sure), Atlas is a skykid- One of the earlier ones from before the kingdom's fall! (continuing on in a second messgae bc im not good at typing everything at once)

[keen shore]

YES THEY ARE A SKYKID AND ITS REALLY NEAT THAT U GUESSED IT

[tough coral]

Now, Atlas did, in fact, do all the trial stuff. They didn't actually think it that far through about becoming king- They honestly just thought the trials sounded fun, and the truth is, the trials were actually way easier for them because they were designed for the ancestors and not agile, resilient Skykids- So, next thing you know, they breezed through the trials and became king.

They really, really did not think that far ahead, though, but it sounfed cool and its not like they could just go back! Aaaaand then the Too Much Responsibility hit. this kid was not really allowed to Be A Kid, unfortunately.

[tranquil harbor]

bruh, I've brought up the idea that the trials are just easy for sky kids multiple times, you get it

[tough coral]

It took a bit of a toll on their mental health, BUT- and this is the fun part- The twins were actually their friends before even becoming elders! The kinda friends that sneak into the palace late at night through the windows to take the king out flying and just having fun even though they'd get in huge trouble if anyone caught them. Soooo, the obvious next step- There's a city being built, all the other cities have elders, so why not try n' make the twins the elders of that new city? Then they wouldn't get in trouble for """kidnapping""" the king, AND they could hang out with eachother more! This... actually worked. They were already pretty tall for skykids, all they really had to do was hide their capes somewhere and nobody could even tell. I mean, you can't exactly put a kid in charge of a city, thatd be silly (looks at atlas)

[rigid mural]

thanks they are angular and chaotic

[outer hare]

LATE WOOOLY MANTA

[tough coral]

so, things went surprisingly well for a while. Atlas was... honestly not doing great, skykids are supposed to be running around and idk putting crabs in trees and generally acting like the untitled goose, not sitting indoors and ruling a kingdom. Atlas didn't even honestly have that much power, either- technically they did, but their advisors basically pressured them into making the decisions everyone else wanted, because, again, theyre a little kid.

So... yeah, give it a while and the decisions that were totally the king's and not the advisors and councils and other elders started to take a toll on the world. The darkness happened, the krill happened, next thing you know the capital city blew up and plunged everyone into purgatory. Atlas got the worst of it, since they were closest to the heart of the explosion- Yknow, that empty void where you meet one (1) skykid after dying in Eden? Thats them! Thats atlas. They didnt even get the fun purgatories like the elders, who honestly contributed to the problem way more than the ten year old with too much responsibility being told exactly what to do every second of the way, they got an empty void without any light where they might never get a chance to escape.

tldr: the "king" (read: a young child) shouldve never gotten that much responsibility and eden exploding should be blamed on the adults who let it happen rather than the little kid who "technically" caused it /lh

[rugged jackal]

[keen shore]

WE HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME HEADCANONS AND ITS REALLY INTERESTINF. SOME (like the king basically being a skykid) ARE REALLY COMMON THEORIES
(Can we count the king being an skid as canon at this point???)

[tough coral]

i take a bow and that is my way too complicated headcanon about like the hundredth "kid with too much responsibility who needs therapy and a hug" character ive gotten emotionally attached to

[frigid tinsel]

The king had four mental breakdowns a day

[keen shore]

Our headcanon about the character in the void being king is REALLY SKMILAR but mine is like a fragment of them instead of the whole… I will explain if u want

[tough coral]

Go on 👀

[keen shore]

My headcanon on why that space is so empty is that they didn’t have enough light/were too weak to project a complex dimension like the elders are. Once we restore their light, they project an image for us of what eden used to look like as a thank u

ok sniv. To explain this, I have to mention something else first. How much do you know abt the king reincarnation theory
(Yes I’m mentioning this theory again. I t make me happy)

[rugged jackal]

I have never heard of that before

[warm torrent]

Wait so headcanons can be sent here? That's good to know

[tough coral]

That the skykid you play as is a reincarnation of the king? I know of it but i never really thought too hard about it because i always prefered the idea that there isn't really a singular "main character" skykid and the things that happen in game were likely all done by different kids just exploring and doing kid stuff

[tranquil harbor]

The lore is vague as heck, if headcanons weren't allowed the channel would be dead 99% of the time. We'd be here and go 'yeah, season of dreams has a guide' and then we'd leave for months

[tranquil harbor]

The theory Salem is talking about means every sky kid is a reincarnation of the king. The king split into multiple pieces and each one became a unique sky kid

[tough coral]

Ah- I was close, then!

[warm torrent]

Yeah that makes sense LUL, I have a lot of headcanons for spirits and never rly knew where to put them. I was too nervous to think about sharing anyway .. but mayhaps I will

[fickle wing]

if hcs weren’t allowed here i think this channel would evaporate and become as stale as that cracker in the back of my pantry that’s been sitting there for a good 4 or so years

[tranquil harbor]

Do iiiiiiit

[frigid tinsel]

If we weren’t allowed headcanons then Prairie Elder spy network wouldn’t be a thing

[warm torrent]

I sent some hcs to cozy a few days ago so I could copy nd paste but also... nervous

[fickle wing]

without hcs we wouldn’t have those moments where folks go absolutely feral and drizzle spirits n elders in gay sauce or whatever

[tranquil harbor]

Do. It. Right. Now. Immediately. Please.

[fickle wing]

a fruit

[tranquil harbor]

That doesn't look like a picture of Gloating Narcisist /j

[fickle wing]

fighting for my life to find a picture of them that isn’t ridiculously glitched now

[tranquil harbor]

Gloating Narcisist is the Durian of spirits

[fickle wing]

man

[tough coral]

Honestly sometimes i forget the spirits have any personality whatsoever because i just kinda... latched onto the valley twins and never looked back. up until the stagehand was revealed i just looked at the spirits like "oh! Cool outfit" and it never occurred to me that other people make headcanons for them and get attached to then and all that. Then the stagehand was revealed and i was never the same i would die for them OH the skater is cool too she’s neat

[tranquil harbor]

Young Skater from Dreams is my girl and I will support her with everything I have

[fickle wing]

the spirits r my blorbos they live rent free in my head 24/7 w the elders too many thoughts rattling around in my head on em

[rigid mural]

TLP really gave us the fruitiest spirit ever when the OG is

[fickle wing]

glow up

[rigid mural]

came out the closet

[fickle wing]

i think their favorite snack is the scooby doo biscuit things

giving em a box of these bad boys

[keen shore]

What do you think would happen if you threw a tennis ball for prophecy guide

20% of my headcanons about spirits are nice and wholesome. The other 80% are like “what if I sprinkled angst sauce on them”

[warm torrent]

OK SO sorry for the text wall... here are some hcs I sent to cozy a few days ago of the Flight crew:

• Builder and Chimesmith are clumsy siblings. They both get bruised up easily since they are intensely passionate about their work! Builder has high pain tolerance & doesn't notice when they get hurt, Chimesmith usually points it out and takes care of the wounds (or Navigator does).
• Chimesmith is lowkey very good at taking care of people but can be pretty aloof/awkward. They like to be more independent because of it, and have a hard time asking for help a lot of the time. I think Builder would be in tune with how they feel in that kinda sibling way
• Chimesmith is also partially nonverbal, the rest of the Flight group usually "translate" stuff for them if needed, since they have their own ways of asking for stuff nonverbally that they've all come to understand. Such as a number of taps on the shoulder for different things etc
• I simply think Builder and Navigator both build each other up (pun not intended. maybe) and are very supportive of each other's work and are maybe a little fruity as a treat
• Light Whisperer has a special interest on light creatures, especially caring for them, and is hyper-empathetic in general. Probably used to have a hard time dealing with hurt creatures because of that, but now uses it to their advantage and uses it as motivation to help creatures as much as they can
• Navi is definitely not good with animals, they would get bit by any of Light Whisperer's creatures jsdnfjsdfn. Light would console Navi, since they know how much work it is to get a creature to earn your trust. Navi continues to think all creatures hate them tho
• Builder is also not good with creatures. Mostly because they get very excited and loud when around them, because the baby mantas are cute, probably. Light has to tell them to tone down at times (nicely)

[warm torrent]

Also here is an additional drawing inspired by a msg tac sent in response to Navi being awful with light creatures

[tranquil harbor]

Imagine never being able to pet a baby manta again. Navigator is right, it's a tragedy

[fickle wing]

OH THESE ARE SO SO SO SO SO GOOD

[tough coral]

... im gonna be honest as an Autism Haver myself i saw the chimesmith and just "ah! Autism" and that was that oh my gosh i forgot that my skykid is almost an exact replica of the spirit with the orange and blue cape

[frigid tinsel]

Tinkering Chimesmith is def autistic

[warm torrent]

NO U ARE SO RIGHT... ME TOO

[rigid mural]

YOU GET IT

[fickle wing]

YEAH

[tough coral]

because like. I do the raptor hands stance. the bell thing could totally be interpreted as a special interest too (which i don't actually have, i got hyperfixations instead but those r just short term special interests anyways). chimesmith has autism and thats basically my only spirit related headcanon

[rigid mural]

have you seen the jelly whisperer TS hints

[fickle wing]

hitting spirits like chimesmith n jelly w my autism ray

yknow what would b super funky though in the future or something
hand flap emote i would kill for that man

[frigid tinsel]

i'm happy flapping just thinking about happy flappy hand emotes

[rigid mural]

oh my god

[warm torrent]

YEEES SO TRUE... I simply think Chimesmith would also stim with the bells and it's very comforting for them. Also the kalimba?? Definitely a comfort item

Also please. I need a hand flap emote i'lls tart crying rn

[rigid mural]

is it me or is there a huge chunk of lore chat that's on the spectrum

[amber creek]

Hand flapping, but I struggle with anxiety and I would do it every time I go into Eden

[lofty void]

hello yes i am on the spectrum

[frigid tinsel]

the lads whose special interests include Sky prob converge here

[keen shore]

Even the people who aren’t are like. questionably aren’t if that makes sense

[fickle wing]

my brain has not let go of the sky fixation ever since i started playing girl help

[keen shore]

I decided to try skycord on day last December because I heard there was a lore channel and I thought it would be neat. My brain has not stopped since

[frigid tinsel]

same I have been playing almost every day for the past 8 months, the game is just so

[fickle wing]

haven’t been able 2 play every day since burnout when it comes 2 actually getting on the game but oh my god the characters n stories n sruff n ocs n all that

[warm torrent]

Also I need to look at jelly's ts hints again because I have horrible horrible memory. But either way jelly is def autistic
Also I just lurk here but that's very true. I've been latched onto Sky since I started playing, it's part of my routine at this point

[frigid tinsel]

I went off about I theory I had after playing the Enchantment quests in my small server that was all I had at the time and they pointed at Skycord as just "go there."

[amber creek]

Sky is a comfort game for anxiety because I often feel trapped and "heavy" and it's soothing to fly around and be pretty

[rigid mural]

they're neurodivergent, your honor

[raw crypt]

2 of jellys hint r literally

• Hyperfocuses easily
• Can talk for hours about something they're interested in

YESS SWAG ART

[tough coral]

honestly when i fixate on sky its almost never the game itself. i get caught in loops and circles and tying my brain into knots thinking about my specific version of the worldbuilding i made for Sky, But In My Head that sorta evolved into "Sky, But Its A Very Niche Crossover That Doesnt Make Much Sense, With One Of My Very Niche Comfort Games"

[fickle wing]

YEAHH

[rugged jackal]

May somebody please explain to me what exactly autism is?

[frigid tinsel]

I submitted two Skyfics to my grad class that are going in my final portfolio for this reason, Sky is a great world for stories to take place in

[fickle wing]

shoutout to sky for being the reason that i got back into writing after like a year

[tough coral]

Oh- to put it as simply as i can Autism is a spectrum of neurological disorders usually involving things like trouble socializing and sensory processing issues

[rigid mural]

shoutout to sky for sparking my videogame dreams again

[fickle wing]

sitting here w my little short story abt gay eople that’s a bit crummy since I’m rusty but its somethijg and that’s better than nothing and that’s swag

[rugged jackal]

Thank you

[lofty void]

man i need more viddy game dreams, i want my sky dream

[amber creek]

I'm forgetting about my neurodivergent partner that fell in love with sky and it made his day when I would surprise him in game when we were both on line

[raw crypt]

i took down my skyfics bc anxiety schewpid but it was rlly nice to write again

still on a nonstop drawing spree tho, sky in da brain

[rigid mural]

I meant like, goal dreams
i want to make something like sky one day

[warm torrent]

NOOO I'd love to read your skyfics!! I've been meaning to read any fics from ppl here because you guys have amazing ideas I love vry much ..

[amber creek]

(that game company is literally hiring right now so you actually could)

[rigid mural]

i dont have the credentials 💔
even then, i heard some things on how they treat applicants

[fickle wing]

ive recommended this b4 in this channel n ill rec it again since it’s super swag n a pal made it but a neat skyfic on ao3 is empire moths i am holding this fic up at yall its so so good you’ve got a blind kid a monk and a lobster trying to help the elders out and stuff

[warm torrent]

thank u for the recommendation!!!! I will definitely check it out

[fickle wing]

ALSO BOSS FIGHTS IN THE SECOND ACT W DARK VERSIONS OF THE ELDERS
they’re based on their concepts n stuff too so it’s 👀👀👀

[tough coral]

I only have one skyfic going because i dont write often (im a roleplayer at heart but i still long to write fanfics), the aforementioned "crossover with a rlly niche indie rpg but its like just one specific character from that game that got tossed into skyworld but like theyre my version of that character" and. its called northwind and i could absolutely gush about it for ages even though i only have a prologue and interlude written for it and im planning to start from scratch anyways

[hushed steeple]

Do sky plants have a consiousness? Are they sentient? I wonder how everything we know/knew would change if this were true. Would this mean that sky plants could grieve? If so, would that mean the rain in hidden forest is really the saddened, hatred filled tears of the trees still grieving after ancestors destroyed half the forest? Would that be why the rain hursts our sky kids but not any other creature? I wonder if that means the flowers are lighting up beneath us out of joy for being in our presence. What if plants are the reason the creatures of sky can emote. Would that mean that if the ancestors never ate their healthy greens then emotes wouldn’t have ever existed? Does that mean our sky kids got a mouth full of grass when they first fell from the stars? Hmmmm….

Just hypothetical thinking.

[lofty void]

OH
O. H

[amber creek]

I struggle to write actual character profiles for my sky kids so writing an entire fan fiction that isn't just a self insert . . . .I could never

[frigid tinsel]

autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder/condition that alters the brain wiring and thought processes different from the neurotypical average. as a result, autistic people can experience various difficulties or quips around socializing, executive functioning, language processing, and sensory processing. altogether, autistic people experience the world differently. we call it a spectrum cos individuals can have wildly different traits between each other but autistic folk seem to gravitate toward each other because we kinda just vibe together.

[fickle wing]

specifically this set of em im p sure

[warm torrent]

Northwind like, the card game? I've heard some stuff ab it and it looks really cool!!!
Also all this talk makes me want to write about my OCs!! but I still haven't fleshed them out a lot.. just have some basic ideas

[rigid mural]

oh i thought it was gonna be the animal versions

[tough coral]

Oh no no the fic is called northwind the game is underhero

[uncut pond]

Alright so it's complicated but like Autism is like an Excel sheet full of a bunch of different conditions that make austistic people behave differently from "normal" (neurotypical) people
Everyone experiences it differently and it can take a lot of very different forms

As far as I'm aware, some of the most common disorders are stuff like hyperfixating a lot onto certain things, trouble socializing and recognizing facial expressions or expressing emotions, a high intolerance to loud and/or annoying noises, and a lot of other different things because autism is different for everyone

Holy crap I write way too slow

[frigid tinsel]

the Elders could beat a skykid in any version, let's be real. be glad they're friendly now

[hushed steeple]

Hello vibing pal!

[fickle wing]

well it’s also that at the same time actually the dark elders r called stuff like lord (insert animal) here but how they’re both is kinda spoilers so 👁️👁️

[rigid mural]

wild

[frigid tinsel]

one day I;ll get my Skyfics on AO3

[willow nacelle]

It WOULD be really cool tho like if all of them had their realms that we had to free and stuff

[warm torrent]

OHH THAT MAKES SENSE.. I was like.. wat a small world (I have never seen anyone talk about Northwind).. but that is epic !! I've heard good things about underhero, I want to get around to playing it!!

[rigid mural]

alasdair i am eating your fics like it's food from the gods

[tough coral]

I should've clarified lol the fic is called northwind bc the name i gave the main character (since the protag of the crossover side of things doesnt have a canon name" was winter and. Sky. Wind. Winter. North. Northwind.

[warm torrent]

Lowkey I've been wanting to ask about ur fics forever, but I am a Chronic Lurker.. I really want to read them & would if you put em on ao3

[amber creek]

You guys are making me what to go back to Wattpad but no I will stay strong . I didn't have a wholesome following that would fit with the sky stuff

[tough coral]

i should probably get around to writing enough of northwind to post it but alas... i am caught in a loop of headcanons and planning despite literally having more ideas for what happens in the first few minutes immediately after Eden than the entirety of the Hidden Forest (and im noy even at the isle of dawn yet in the story!!!)

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I'll put them on AO3. I already have an account there. unfortunately I write slowly and also a college student – the only reason I've been able to write the Valley Elder(s) fic and DFT chapter 1 is cos I tied it to my grad assignments. but I have to edit both for my final portfolio so I'll prob get round to getting one polished thing up soon

[lofty void]

i do remember i was writing a sky fic about one of my sky ocs rediscovering a new realm underneath the waves. but yeah motivation ran dry and i’m admittedly not the best at writing

[raw crypt]

Everytime u guys talk abt fic writing i get motivated to write

[frigid tinsel]

I like my intro to the Valley Elder(s) fic

[tough coral]

okay while im at it because this is probably the best source of ideas- does anyone have ideas for what, outside of anything that happens in-game, a skykid and a kid-who's-very-much-not-a-skykid would do while going through the hidden forest

[rigid mural]

make little boats and watch them float down the stream

[tough coral]

splendid idea i will add that to the planning document immediately

[rigid mural]

depends on how old they are but:

• "potions"
• play pretend with props made of sticks and grass
• hide and seek
• try to catch creatures
• bother the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

think the skykid would try to take the not-skid flying

[uncut pond]

A not-skid would probably be immune to the rain (we don't actually know what the rain really is so we can just assume it only harms light creatures) so that opens up a lot of possibilities

[lofty void]

been thinking of rewriting and finishing it but idk

[tough coral]

id totally share the planning doc here but i thhhink theres a few swears in said doc because its very train of thought and my train of thought can be vulgar at times

[white junco]

add “digging a big hole (for treasure)” in there

[hushed steeple]

Well the non-sky kid would hold an umbrella for the sky kid. They'd tell stories around a campfire and mess with spirits. Then they'd have dinner and belonging grandmas house.

[vagrant goblet]

are there pets later?

[lofty void]

Pets? Huh?

[hushed steeple]

We have a birb in the windpaths

[vagrant goblet]

...-_-... just wanted to start commotion so that can later be a hing

[frigid tinsel]

it'd be appreciated if you'd stay on topic with the convo

[tough coral]

these r all amazing ideas. the forest can totally be the "two kids having an absolute blast running around the woods" chapter thank you so much... i mean they deserve to be silly while they still can because there will be so much angst after the valley

[hushed steeple]

How would different spirits attempt to explain the lore of sky?

[sharp lichen]

We have all conquered lorechat.

[white junco]

I hc that the spirits can’t exactly speak to the skykids so there would be a lot of wild hand gestures and pictures

[hushed steeple]

Lets say, hypothetically, they can speak.

[frigid tinsel]

I have a headcanon that the ancestors had a culture of not talking about things that bring them shame, thus why many of them don't explain the history or details or what happened to the skykids. it's shameful.
others may be willing to but won't because it isn't "child-friendly" or "too complex for a kid"

[rigid mural]

i like to think theres a litteral language barrier cos we can hear the spirits laugh and yawn

[keen shore]

YES ME TOO. I headcanon that spirits + skykids Can communicate, just not in the verbal talking way like most humans would. The result is either sign language or something along the lines of telepathy

[hushed steeple]

Only the mantas can verbally speak words, not the ancestors./j

[white junco]

i want the spirits to beam their memes directly into my mind

[frigid tinsel]

well, except Fritjof
(I never finished this, sorry)

[keen shore]

My maybe concept is that ancesto society would be a lot more visual than human society. Like maybe instead of a written lmaguage there are projected images (like memory lanterns) and murals to record things. The telepathic communication means that if someone wants you to do something, instead of just “hearing” their thoughts as if it’s talkinf bur in a different medium, you get maybe images/the feeling in your head of what they want you to do. Idk it would be neat, not sure if it makes sense though,

[amber creek]

Spirits seem to communicate through various instrumental noises. Not necessarily songs but various tones and rhythms that show emotion. It's similar to how different keys and major vs minor scales sound different and actually are in the same key as speaking tones that convey similar emotions

[tough coral]

Hmmm. i headcanon that the reason most of the spirits dont really tell you anything is because a lot of them just... dont like skykids. I mean imagine knowing that after your grand, glorious kingdom just, yknow, literally exploded, that the god of death replaced you with a bunch of silly little children

[hushed steeple]

It seems that not as many people were enthused about the pre-season campout this time.
Oh well, I might just call it off for myself right now and try again next time!/lh

[white junco]

pointing candlemaker would tell me the sky lore if he could

[split moss]

Greetings 🙏I would love to know some theories about the trapped mantas in season of abyss.

[frigid tinsel]

either the ancestors were experimenting on mantas or were gonna kill them them to make power diamonds

[sharp lichen]

Based on the murals there, I’d imagine they were put there by the Ancestors and simply left there, forgotten

[hushed steeple]

So, A few theories are that they were being stored for later usage as power. Another is that the ancestors wanted to make an aquarium. And another is that its a rehabilitation center.

[rigid mural]

a little aside from the voice convo, laughing lightcatcher's legacy being their laughter makes me emotional, ily laughing lightcatcher, i hope they continue to see or hear funny things wherever they are

[rigid mural]

Ahhh really ? From what interaction some seasonal spirits give us, and how the cosmetics are actually gifts for saving them, I personally don't see them disliking sky kids that much

[frigid tinsel]

oh this is precious

[tough coral]

maybe i phrased that wrong- less of a dislike and more of a petty spite i guess? More "ah. Alright. you guys. mhhhm." Than "aw dang. you guys".

i just generally view the ancestors as generally, on average, being kinda... serious. the skykids are the exact opposite of those who came before them!

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps it's bittersweet – the ancestors are grateful for the skykids saving them and saving the world, but know that the skykids only exist due to their screw up

[hushed steeple]

I'm headed out to eden, might be going to the PNR, anyone need anything while I'm out?/j

[tough coral]

while ur off to eden can you go tell megabird that she is whatever brings me joy

[hushed steeple]

Anything that I can actually achieve without having to interact with a lot of people?/j

[tough coral]

bring me back a cool rock then

[hushed steeple]

The light from the eden castle is now red.

[white junco]

FINALLY ITS BACK

[tough coral]

Honestly i think about megabird a little more than is probably normal. i think she is a great mom and also would be uuuu in the area u get the winged light? I think shed just be there. the best place to spend time with all her many many sky children before sending them on their merry way back to the land of the living

[hushed steeple]

A bunch of stuff ruined my short cut so I don't think I'll be doing Eden today.

[tough coral]

like... sure, megabird is supposed to be Literally God... sure, megabird is probably something that the skykids have only ever heard of... but i prefer the idea of "megabird is a good mom to her skykids and tries her best to be present in her childrens lives despite being confined to the afterlife and she would most likely start crying if you showed her a silly looking bird"

[harsh pecan]

aww thats nice, but megabird literally sends us to die tho

[white junco]

people have different interpretations, can we not start headcanon arguments in the lore channel please

[harsh pecan]

you're right

[tough coral]

I mean death is a temporary inconvenience for skykids if anything! A small price to pay to get to see Spaghetti Mother

[harsh pecan]

ye

[frigid tinsel]

i'd imagine it'd still hurt tho

[harsh pecan]

ye

[tough coral]

maybe my opinions are skewed by my headcanon that skykids have next to no sense of self preservation /LH

[raw crypt]

before i forget for the 100th time for some reason starling murmurations remind me of megabird/light creatures, especially when they form bird shapes

[white junco]

OH THAT IS SO COOL

[rigid mural]

STARLING MURMURATIONS ARE SO COOL I LOVE BIRDS

[keen shore]

I agree with this!! Especially with the sapling quests and days of bloom in general, it seems more like they like us/think we’re cute. I think laidback pioneer asking us for headpats kinda cemented that 4 me

[rigid mural]

To be fair there could be a range, from bitter adult seeing a child and making them salty without any real hotility towards the child, to just liking sky kids because they are cute and inquisitive.

I'd see Abyss spirits being a bit less friendly at first since it took the QG vouching for us for them to accept our help, so...

[keen shore]

I can totally see spirits being wary towards us initially because of Reasons, but most seem to at least tolerate us / eventually like us

[rigid mural]

candlemaker probably adopted the first skykid on the spot when they realised this little thing is trying to help them

[keen shore]

Like they start off being concerned for us, because we’re in the middle of what is now a barren desert and don’t look like we know what’s going on. It goes from “why is there a child here and are u ok” to “my child now”

[frigid tinsel]

they prob offer hugs to every skykid in Orbit

[keen shore]

An unrelated idea just popped into my head, and before I go to bed, I need to share it

Sanctuary Manta figures out that bells cause sound, and how to ring them. It teaches its friends. Now a horde of mantas continuously bonk into the bells whenever they want attention and/or pets

[frigid tinsel]

mantas discover auditory stimming

[keen shore]

I’m imagining this scene unfolding with sanctuary guide looking defeated in the corner

[rigid mural]

dogs with the bells to ask for food

[rapid arrow]

Like where they press buttons and it says words?

[rigid mural]

yeah ! or just a plain bell

[rapid arrow]

I can image the manta ramming into a button over and over again. Which button is it, I don’t know but I thought it would be funny if it was “honk”

[outer hare]

Its the second they realise it was a creb honk.

[rugged jackal]

If anyone at all is gonna read this, I might as well leave it here.

I want perspective on the words in the first cave in isle. I want to make sense of them, but I just can’t..

Words in question are:

“With the stars united, our light was infinite…
…And together, we lived in harmony.
As spirits, we soon became many…
…creating our home here in the clouds.
But darkness came and the stars fell…
…and with their light we faded away.
A long time has passed. Now we call to you.
Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars.”

Like, the speaker says “as spirits, we soon became many…” as if the speaker themselves is a spirit, but then they say like.. “Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars.” as if they’re not a spirit?? And what are “the stars” they speak of? I’m confused help me pls

[night pecan]

lore chaaaaaat i have a question about the valley twins

[tranquil harbor]

What?

[night pecan]

what is goin' on with their arms?

to me they look like prosthetics

[tranquil harbor]

That's what we think is going on yes

[night pecan]

if that is the case we love to see it

[tawny pumice]

There have been some theories that the twins lost their arms in a battle against the creatures that attacked their Kingdom. I've seen quite a few artworks of the twins that connect to the said hypothesis, but I don't usually converse in this lore channel, lurk, or know much else besides that, so it's conceivable that I missed so many things, but I'd say this is a pretty good theory of how they lost their arms.

[tardy whale]

Sounds more realistic than the high five theory lol

[rapid arrow]

Not the high five theory /j

[night pecan]

the what

[rigid mural]

i should redraw that, everyone loves the high five incident

[white junco]

THE HIGH FIVE INCIDENT

[nimble ingot]

It could be in general.
As in, "us skykids."
Or if they were still alive, "return our people to their homes."

[night pecan]

but anyway we love to see a bit of representation in this game (even if it's unintentional)

[nimble ingot]

Prosthetics would be cool.
For the representation and the variety in skykids.
There is the valley pants from gloating narcissist. Does it also give the skykid a modified arm?

[night pecan]

sadly no

[nimble ingot]

Aw.

Hang on. Gloves???

I know there are mittens. But since when could skykids have Elsa gloves?

[white junco]

looks like the gloat spirit uses the model for sah (spiky one) specifically, the twins have slightly different arms

[night pecan]

i also really liked the chains on the spirits, i wanted those chains

[nimble ingot]

The chains is a symbolic reference.
Even if it would look odd on skykids (lorewise), chains did look cool.

Looks like the narcissist did have his own model. Sure it looks like the Sah (spiky hair) elder. But the gloves does at least show the model was either heavily based on the twins. Or model is modified with the addition of gloves.

[white junco]

the one for skykids is definitely unique, but the spirit themselves has the same type of gloves as sah

[nimble ingot]

Say Lore Chat.
Any theories to why the guide's intro page is not out? :(

[white junco]

being mean 2 us :(

[rigid mural]

true story of how the valley elders lost their arms

[night pecan]

saving it for launch

[night pecan]

there is no emote to properly display my emotion after seeing this

this pic will do

[nimble ingot]

Lmao Vela.
That is why the twins forbade anyone from talking about the high-five incident.

[tribal hollow]

I'd like to hear about the symbolism of the chains on Narcissist

[night pecan]

question: are the things skid's wear capes or cloaks? (we call them capes but they function more like cloaks)

The main difference between cloak and cape is the size. A cloak falls below the knee or to the ground and protects the wearer from the weather. Capes end at the waist or mid-thigh. Unlike cloaks, a cape is often used for fashion purposes.

[tranquil harbor]

I thought a cloak required a hood

[night pecan]

most have a hood, but it isn't a requirement

[cunning seal]

Not really sure where to discuss this, but I was wondering what people had speculated in terms of the different realms and what emotions each of the realms could represent. ^^

[queen forum]

Hrm. No new Spirit at release time.

[rigid mural]

QUESTGIVER

[tranquil harbor]

New parent

[queen forum]

The adoption papers have already been signed.

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids: Guess who got adopted?
Performance Guide: Who?
sky kids: -slamming adoption papers down on table- Us, sign here

[rigid mural]

I got only two pics before servers crashed but I need their card to know if they and rhythm guide are related

[static meteor]

hello

[nimble ingot]

how?

[static meteor]

they friens

[queen forum]

Dang. How is the server not down for you?

[native dawn]

Bruh mines down haha

[static meteor]

oh it crashed like instantly after I completed the final spirit

[nimble ingot]

Sky has fallen theory.
Too many players trying to log into the server. :(

[queen forum]

Yeah…but I’m not sure what I expected. This is all just a pretty big:

[tranquil harbor]

performance guide only has one star. Why u only got on star sir?

[queen forum]

Oooh. We got more quests than Abyss and Flight this time around.

[rigid mural]

I might wait for things to cool down before entering season area, lots of traffic means people will probably not let me take screens of memories

[tranquil harbor]

literally experiencing that now

[sly lake]

Hope this could be interesting!

[clear glacier]

Big bro

[tranquil harbor]

if the assembly spirits are possibly young versions of the light seekers, then Performance Guide may be an older version of Rhythm Guide (but I refuse to accept that theory)

[harsh pecan]

LMAO

[sly lake]

Just a little bit taller.

[rigid mural]

These guys got maps, you think they traveled as a troupe ?

[sly lake]

Or maybe layouts for how to set up the stage? Or sketches for new props. This table is near Stagehand correct?

[rigid mural]

It was so dark I couldn't see anything. Forgot my lantern too afuaifaisg

[hushed steeple]

Don't some troupes travel as well?
It could be a map of their stops

[rigid mural]

I can now confidently say Shakespeare is not canon in sky despite Storyteller's pose in promo art (we never know, Ode to Joy was given by Granny Belonging), because I didn't immediately get chased out over this.

[floral grove]

Maybe they did travel to get a glimpse of what each realm looks like hence the map. The remaining parchments could then be their sketches for the realm backdrops

[tranquil harbor]

You guys think they're reusing Rythm Guide's model?

[sly lake]

They've reused that body a few times before. Assembly questgiver and Cannoneer share the same model as Rhythm, to name a few.

But it does appear there is a deliberate connection between this questgiver and the Rhythm character.

[boreal nebula]

Before the Bloom Guide and her table went away I tapped on the question mark button and I got this information about the spell shop with the Ark Crew holding their orbs but I cannot recall if they are holding the correct lights

[tranquil harbor]

If we believe (I don't) Season of Dreams really is just a memory and not happening in real time (Performance must also qualify this way), then it's actually possible to timeline Rythm and Performance questgivers as alive at the same time. However, I can not elaborate farther than that for now
@boreal nebula they're not holding the correct orbs

[boreal nebula]

But anyway it's nice to point out that they Enchantment Guide also holds an orb

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if Enchantment orb is neutral magic/magic in general. It's white/light grey, and when we cast spells we use a white light.

[boreal nebula]

Here is the release poster

Indeed, just Scarecrow Farmer has their GreenOrb

[tranquil harbor]

btw, Mellow Musician (if we believe these are truly memories from when they were living) pegs both the cheering spectater and the valley light seeker as alive at the same time

I sure am talking about a theory I don't believe and actively dislike a lot

[boreal nebula]

K, bye... not ready to spoiler myself with Performance 😅

[tranquil harbor]

You say, as you spoilered everyone else for Abyss. Get back here and accept the death you've earned, Coward! /j

[clear glacier]

I used to think those perky bits in the owl hair were just feathers shoved into the hair but are they just fluffier feathers in performance's hair or actually hair
idk but i'd like to know some opinions

[tranquil harbor]

it's just fluffy hair

[clear glacier]

mmm fluffy hair

[rigid mural]

Notice how some memories in the current season sometimes alternate between spirits you gotta reach to see the next ?
What if it's because both spirits remember this memory...

[sharp lichen]

OH NEE SEASON OH unlucky 13

[uncut pond]

Here's the image if anyone's interested

[tranquil harbor]

I don't think this one is unlucky. It seems like they're setting us up for success

[uncut pond]

Also I never noticed but if you up the brightness of your screen, you can see the new friend constellation is the post-apocalypse Eden constellation

[sharp lichen]

We love darkstone guitar darkstone guitar player is fruity yes that’s kore

[uncut pond]

I still prefer the old Crown constellation because it was literally the same as the old Eden/King constellation seen in Vault and it helped my theory/HC of "skids are the king" but I still appreciate this new one

[tidal valve]

ok. When they were introducing the spirits and they said one likes to mimic accents that means either

1: there are other languages spoken throughout sky

2: other dialects

3: or... prarie spirits have a deep country accent and valley spirits have a british accent

[uncut pond]

This is canon now. Valley spirits definitely have British accents.

[small marsh]

I like that idea, I'm hoping in the train now

[tidal valve]

also in the forest background for the theatre you can see blue diamonds within the trees, I think this confirms the dark diamond tree harvesting theory?

[tidal valve]

valley elders be like: it’s chewsday innit

ALDO THE INTRUSMEBT find it so cool they harvest diamond technology for music... kinda dark that it can play a manta call and dark diamonds don’t have a great history of being kind to mantas

[small marsh]

Hear me out, the valley elders with the bloom table: "Let's have some tea n crumpets aye"

[tranquil harbor]

They're getting crab cakes roasted in the maze fire and that's final

[tidal valve]

lmao haahah but honestly I’d like to know more about the different accents in sky and also spirit communication in general? I don’t know if we actually see a spirit actually honk to each other so I wonder if they actually have a spoken language at all? But they would have to have a spoken language in order to have accents

Bc they deffinetly communicate through gestures/ murals/ written text/ maps and the vault knowledge cubes

[tranquil harbor]

Slight spoilers for performance: But manta whisperer showed up (or is it whale whisperer, I'll need to check) and they honk at u if u greet them. It's deep
given what happened, I'm assuming we'll get a bigger audience over time, and we might be able to greet them too? We can see if they honk (in two weeks )

[tidal valve]

Ok cool!!! but mhm.. I think the only spirits we hear honk are the ones with calls?

also, who thinks that performance guide is the younger/ older version of rythem or relative?

[sharp lichen]

Spirits rely a lot on body language to communicate. I think that since the whisperers are relatively isolated, their version of honks aren’t that widespread

[tranquil harbor]

I think Performance guide is an elder sibling

[tidal valve]

Maybe they speak in a frequency higher then what spirits can hear but in the frequency that the light creatures can understand?

[sharp lichen]

I mean, look how many players are begging for owl hair. It makes sense that people would want it in-universe

[tranquil harbor]

I like Performance owl hair better. It's going to look amazing on chibis So fluffy wuffy

[tidal valve]

I like the idea of performance being like.. rythems son all grown up and since their parent was in the entertainment business they just kinda got influenced and started a theatre thing

[tidal valve]

Maybe ahah tbh... I’m not a fan of the new hair but maybe it’ll grow on me lol

[tranquil harbor]

Owl hair itself isn't my style. I like really long hair

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the Performance guide is a friend/fan of the Rhythm guide?

[tidal valve]

I feel like putting the seasons in a timeline in general now is maybe limiting, perhaps multiple seasons all took place at the same time? Considering we see spirits from other seasons together

Maybe the spirits from dreams and gratitude happened at the same time? Considering that grat spirits are musicians it could be possible they helped create the song for the dreams skater?

Or maybe it’s some zelda type stuff where there’s multiple timelines lmao (I doubt it)

[tranquil harbor]

Tbh I much prefer the idea that these things are happening in the present time.

[sharp lichen]

I think that most events happen in the present time, but some stuff (like the building of the theatre for example) took place in the past.

The only exception is Dreams for me

[tidal valve]

I think ash came and explained some stuff about the seasons and present/ past but I’d really have to dig for that screenshot and the response was pretty vauge anyways

[tranquil harbor]

It's always vague. We have to make up 97% of the lore ourselves

[tidal valve]

but I think we can say that phrophey was at the beginning and seasons with dark stone technology in the middle/ end?

[tidal valve]

ahaha maybe but I’d like to hope tgc has a thick dusty lore manual guide book hidden in some desk drawer somewhere

Some part of it I like bc it draws a community together for discussion, I would’ve stopped playing sky so long ago if it wasn’t for the community that kept me here <33

[tranquil harbor]

apparently they do, which makes it all the more frustrating. I'm constantly paranoid this thing I really like will be confirmed false one day and then people are gonna be annoying about it

[tidal valve]

Oh what do u like!!! I’d like to hear your headcannons

[tranquil harbor]

Anyway, I'm going to bed Later lore peeps!
Right now it's the rebirth theory: The spirits are reborn as the sky kids are, and descend to continue living their 'lives' as spirits. Essentially, the sky kids act as adorable ferrymen, taking up spirits who are ready to ascend

[tidal valve]

Ahhh they actually mentioned a similar version of that in I think a journey of sky travlers guide on their YouTube! good night <33

I think I’ll also sleep, but I gotta smash out a few assessment questions

[sharp lichen]

One thing I’ve noticed about Performance is that Isle is shown as a desert. This means that they updated their screens after the Storm

[rigid mural]

Masks having different colors for one kind of pattern

[floral grove]

Now that this is mentioned, Performance feels a lot sadder now. After the storm, they were probably some of the only survivors left in the kingdom. Assuming that there won't be a lot of spectators that will gather in future quests, this could mean they're performing for themselves, only to try to forget about the disaster that struck the kingdom and killed most of their kind. Their entire quest to put up a spectacular show is ironically all an act just to distract them from the current apocalypse that they're facing

[night pecan]

where is pic this from?

[eternal totem]

Concept art from beta, it was repurposed for when pressing “?” at any of the shops at the Ark

Well, any spell shop

[eternal totem]

When I beta tested Enchantment, I thought the light he holds was going to appear in a quest or cutscene, seeing as he acted as the link between us & the spirits, but it never did. Now that you mention that, it would’ve made more sense if his light brought the spell shops & what not. (You see the symbol in the light)
Enchantment’s concept art is the most I’m curious about but unfortunately they barely ever showcase those anymore, that’s all we got
(Here’s some extras also!)

[carmine garnet]

Do you think the performers are just trying to add some spark or joy back into the fallen kingdom

[queen forum]

Possibly. It could also be a play meant to educate the children living in the village on what happened in the past.

[blazing spade]

That first cutscene though 💀

[lusty merlin]

Semi Preformance spoilers Yeah I was thinking the same here, for some reason my first thought of the ACT I cutscene was ||between blowkiss emote and another spirit and both of them just dying in the end||

Or it can be a really vague Romeo and Juliet reference who knows

[reef plover]

Ok guys I have a thought about the new shared memories. In some ways the shared memories remind me of when we relive spirits. Isn't it weird that we can relive memories of past spirits thru burning candles or thru burning the spirits core? It looks like burning stuff is the key to unlocking past spirit knowledge. Very interesting

[hushed steeple]

It's less "burning* and more "providing light" in keeping with the spirit of the game…

[static meteor]

unless you're canonneer where burning is the only way to do anything at all

[hushed steeple]

Cannoneer is…something else ^^;
Still adorable and 100% would hug

[reef plover]

Burning, providing light, potåto potāto

[stable veldt]

Do you think these diamond lanterns like in vault are the ones the spirit use to provide background illusion and VFX?

This means the usage of these things would meant very universal and it's not only locked for vault purposes. Not only that, it might hint these things exists way earlier than theory where vault is a memory place for what comes after GW

Either that or like mentioned above, performance comes after the fallout

[floral grove]

I guess memory lanterns are like the Sky equivalent of a digital storage device. This makes Vault a huge database

[stable veldt]

I guess it's their equivalent to a portable projector. This means whatever happens in vault is merely an illusion rather than real

Other thing that is very interesting regarding their backgrounds is that they're aware of eden and the top of vault. This could meant yeah, performance did happen after GW

Other small detail from this update that i watch during beta update (now live) is that ascended spirits with capes now have a star on their capes. Awww

[languid glen]

Guys lets be serius what IS eden

Im getting intrested in the lore of the game but i know nothing at all

[sharp lichen]

The Eye of Eden was a place that was ravaged by the Storm (an extremely powerful force of darkness).

We can help you with the the lore!

[languid glen]

What storm

[sharp lichen]

The Storm is the cause for everything you see in Eden. The gigantic red diamond, the rocks, the wind

[languid glen]

So what did eden use to be? Also what is the orbit?

[sharp lichen]

We’re not exactly sure. I think it used to be a bustling city.

Orbit is thought to be a place where all light creatures (which include us) are born from:

[south badger]

based on some concept stuff i believe eden was a haven for light creatures that became corrupted from the storm but theres a few really good theories out there of what it was/is

[languid glen]

The only think i've realised literally is that spirits used boats (those boats that are every where) to move around

[south badger]

maybe eden was a place for spirits and light creatures to live in natural harmony to escape the refineries and stuff (the lore we saw in abyss and the wasteland refinery) but got corrupted as well ... who knows ! thats the fun in coiming up with theories

[languid glen]

So my question is, why are there so many paths if they used boats (?)

[south badger]

yeah diamond tech (the thing that powers the boats and other technology stuff in sky) is a big lore thing so noticing the boats is important for understanding lore! as for the paths, i think its the same as like... we humans can walk but we dont drive cars everywhere, sometimes we walk. i think its similar to that

also the spirits had capes and flew and we fly as well so boats i think are more of a convenience for moving things/travelling to places that are difficult to walk or fly to
edit: spirits dont fly, but this is still relevant bc they can just walk places lol

[sharp lichen]

Spirits never did fly if I remember correctly?

[queen forum]

Not like us, no.

[south badger]

ohh rly? i guess i was misremembering the one valley spirit relive where you fly to collect the spirit memories

[queen forum]

Yeah. They were riding on top of a manta like a person on a surfboard.

[south badger]

got it, ty for that! and the one in the citadel is just collecting the light right? no flying spirits there i dont think haha

[sharp lichen]

Also, the Flight spirits can’t fly. And if they can’t, then I doubt anyone else can

[south badger]

i guess the only spirit that can fly is the proud victor in valley when he falls flies down into the colosseum

[sharp lichen]

We lorechat folks love proud victor

[native shoal]

Proud victor was the first cape I got

[languid glen]

The real question here is tgc knows all the lore but is waiting for us to figure it out or they just made generic things to follow their original idea?

[lusty merlin]

From a past mention of a dev, (I forget who) I do think tgc has the lore all planned out, they mentioned they’ve seen some theories that were pretty close to the actual lore

[hushed steeple]

I think its interesting that in many places 9n the Golden Wasteland are either labeled as refugees or soldiers

[frigid tinsel]

Gives the sense that some battle happened (Soldier, Lookout Scout) and some ancestor-caused disaster ruined the Wasteland (Survivor), displacing people (Refugee)

[hushed steeple]

I wonder who they fought

I feel like they fought the darkness but then the they ascended and are fighting back by saving those left behind across the vale

[rigid mural]

Manta Whisperer mimics them even better than I thought. This is so funny, so spirits really are able to mimic creatures that closely ?

[formal skiff]

I know there are reasons they can’t just plop the lore bible down in front of us but I wish they could-

[lusty merlin]

Yeah, plus I just want a sliver of some solid lore that’s in the game you know? finding out flight guide was ayins apprentice through their info card was not what I was expecting 🙁

[native shoal]

The story in a nutshell

[native shoal]

Guys we can make a melting valley play with the fire effect, the rain effect, and the valley background

Or the waves effect with the valley background

[keen shore]

This play was meant to show us how admiring actor died. They kept blow kissing at Forest elder and then they got smited /j

[keen shore]

For Clarity — this doesn’t necessarily mean that. Isle’s desertification could have been (and probably is) a completely separate and earlier event to the Storm. Part of my reasoning on this is beta evidence, but there is some (unfortunately not many) stuff that proves my point here that’s already in game:

• The ushering stargazer spirit memoru shows them walking across terrain very similar to the one we walk across. This is despite the fact that desert landscapes change constantly due to the wind blowing sand around.
• My whole theory with enchantment being from isle, although this is admittedly mostly theory and not straight canon evidence
• the scarcity of buildings in isle and the low amount of spirits there, implying that it might have been abandoned before the other realms

I know it’s not a ton, but like I said above, I can’t talk about the biggest pieces of evidence I have yet

[rigid mural]

This chat is gonna be on fire, next quest. See you in two weeks.

[soft timber]

Hehe

[eternal totem]

An old theory pointed out the different markings on the shields in battlefield, there was a sun & diamond signs on the shields. It might’ve been a civil war

[native shoal]

Presenting: I flooded valley

[queen forum]

[hidden dune]

Sorry for the ignorance, but who is Resh?

[queen forum]

The King. King Resh.

[hidden dune]

So... are the king and the prince two different people?

[queen forum]

We’re honestly not sure. They may be the same person, just different ages, or they could be different people. Again, we have no idea. We know even less about the Prince than we do the King. Just the fact that they existed, really.

[hidden dune]

Thank you so much!

[south badger]

if they’ve got lore planned out i sure would like to HEAR IT !!!

[tranquil harbor]

13 days

[frigid tinsel]

yall beta blokes making me nervous

[tranquil harbor]

From what I've heard, it's gonna be great, no worries. tho I don't hang out in beta so I don't know much

[nimble ingot]

yo, how is the ConBOTor doing these days?
@pastel brook

[rigid mural]

raider's puns are gonna make me cause a scene

[keen shore]

I will help you hide the body

[rigid mural]

performance qg looks super intimidating and professional, plus the coat + bird mask and rythm resemblance give them pretty high class vibes (maybe they were a famous musician in the past, with that conductor coat ?)
and yet
they use a lot of cheering emotes during the first quest & you unlock highfive really soon after you meet
maybe they're retired but happy to help what looks like a less experienced but very eager village theater folks ?

[boreal nebula]

Idk why, but I think you really put a target of me in your blacklist /j
It's funny you still remember that one tinie TINY mistake I made 😅

[tranquil harbor]

I remember because it was hilarious. I'm really not mad at u at all, and I'm sorry if I ever come off that way

[boreal nebula]

Ohohoh, Farmer was pretty big

Thanks for this small gems from Enchantment Beta

[keen shore]

I really like the implication of this feature that manta whisperer greets others not by saying hello, or asking how their day was, but just immediately makes an animal call instead. It’s like if I said hi to people by mooing at them

[rigid mural]

i once meowed at a pigeon because im so used to talking to my cats, so relatable

[eternal totem]

We were robbed of chubby Farmer but oh well 😔

[keen shore]

further proof that farmer is originally from prairie. They initially made them prairie spirit shaped

[eternal totem]

Hm, I have more model swap Enchantment screenshots from beta, the spirit’s looks weren’t quite there yet

[keen shore]

See. Prairie spirit shaped

[rigid mural]

love is stored in the prairie spirit

[eternal totem]

Note: Crabwalker is using the Valley racer model

[rigid mural]

they naurified crab walker

im crying, name a bigger downgrade /j

[keen shore]

This is what I was thinking!! They look so much fancier than everyone else, you put it better than I could. Maybe they’re like, the other spirits’ teacher or something, and this is the equivalent to a theater/drama class

[eternal totem]

Performance shrinking in the dryer

[rigid mural]

litterally beta crabwalker vs live crabwalker

[eternal totem]

This is the older height from beta, he was terrifying

[rigid mural]

TGC had to nerf them because they were too powerful

[keen shore]

that really makes everyone else look like kids compared to them

[eternal totem]

I wanted to say, I’m not sure if they had other plans in mind or were simply placeholders
I really want to see Enchant’s concept art, they used to hold livestreams at their office showcasing all sorts of concept art before covid struck

[nimble ingot]

Pretty much reminds me of the ringmaster from the film, the Greatest showman.

[white merlin]

How’s everyone feeling now that the eden painting is a thing

[sharp lichen]

I think that it was redesigned after the Eden disaster by the Performance spirits

[keen shore]

I often really hate when people say stuff like this, but it’s worth mentioning that it might be a gameplay thing so that we can utilize it and know it’s Eden.

It’s possible that it did actually get redesigned or created as that landscape, which open up 3 possibilities. The first is that the spirits made it as spirits with our help. The second is that performance happens post apocalypse, which is a theory that feels very off to me, considering it seems to happen around the same time as dreams. The third is that Eden going haywire was a separate and earlier event to whatever actually caused the apocalypse.

I’m leaning towards the first, or for it just to be gameplay (because it’s what makes the most sense to me). I can probably put more effort into time lining dreams and performance as more content comes out and when I’m less tired. The Eden background may get utilized at some point and give us more evidence

[tranquil harbor]

Y'all know I'm on the 'things happen in the present' train, but the apocolypse happening and Valley holding out as long as it can and still trying to put on performances and stuff is actually really sad

[keen shore]

I agree, but something about that explanation just doesn’t make sense to me. Having dreams and performance take place after the apocalypse when everyone is struggling to survive just strikes me as weird, because the spirits there don’t seem to put any effort into actually surviving. Valley is consistently ice cold, with no visible food growing locations. If an apocalypse actually happened, I would expect the ancestors in it to drop like flies, yknow?

I like the idea in concept, the actual explanation doesn’t make any sense to me. I can see performance taking place rlly close to the end of the kingdom, just not after the apocalypse itself

I do like headcanoning some seasons as post apoc, i just prefer when it makes sense for those seasons to actually BE post apoc, yknow?

[tranquil harbor]

Nah, I get it. It was just a thought

[sharp lichen]

One thing I dislike about most theories is to simply dismiss it as “just gameplay”. I’m really not sure why, but here’s what I think…

I still think that the first theory is best. They don’t have to worry about food or water when they’re spirits, so they can just enjoy putting on performances

[safe linden]

Why are the wastelands "the golden wastelands"

That place is GREEN

[tranquil harbor]

was green. It got renamed

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I think that it was a marsh area that suffered tremendous amounts of natural disasters

[safe linden]

So it WAS gold,

[keen shore]

I also hate that about most theories (although it makes sense for some. for example, candles are probably not acrually forged like that) and agree with you. With the current lack of evidence we have right now, though, it just makes the most sense to me personally.

The first idea does also deal with some issues that make me question it, mostly the question of “aren’t those spirits supposed to be petrified? how did they manage to make the background at the same time?” This could be solved by the concept of us helping to make the backgrounds with them and telling them our experience of Eden. After all, we’ve personally seen all the places tje background depicts, something that might not be true for the performance spirits, so maybe they use us as a reference instead.

I’m just imagining them being like “YOUVE SEEN EDEN? WHATS IT LIKE” and 15 minutes later we are sitting on the floor surrounded by glue, colored paper, and scissors

[sharp lichen]

There needs to be a graphic that shows the spectrum of things that are purely gameplay and things that a purely lore, and everything in between

[keen shore]

It also might be that the Eden background looking like that was decided on before the lore was fully fleshed out, so some of the story was bent to explain it. Or, like I said, it’s just a convenience thing and we shouldn’t think about it too much.

I get the feeling that the Eden background might be utilized/explained a bit more in a later quest, so I’m going to wait to see if that comes out before I put tons of brainpower into explaining it away. I mean, it’s the perfect setting for drama, there’s at least a 50% chance of am angsty Eden play coming up

The idea of us helping make the backgrounds is super cute though and my new headcanon

[sly lake]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1513683349017141249

[rigid mural]

POGGERS

[barren lichen]

Lore chat eating well today!!!!!!

[rigid mural]

THEY ARE TWINS

[west basin]

THEY ARE TWINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[keen shore]

CARD!!!

I’m super glad the twin part was confirmed, not only is it super cute but it also helps a Lot with timeline stuff

[rigid mural]

sorry but they are obviously the fruitiest twin tho

[barren lichen]

Whos the mom?

[keen shore]

Ok but you have to remember, they are competing with the RHTYHM GUIDE. they are equally fruity

[tranquil harbor]

Which means Dreams, Rythm, and Performance happened during the same life time. (Assuming these are memories and not present day events)

[keen shore]

WAIT, WHAT IF THEY LEARNED WNAT THE WORLD LOOKS LIKE (4 sets) BECAUSE OF PICTURES THE TROUPE SENT THEM

[rigid mural]

rythm guide got nothing against performance guide on that end chief

[keen shore]

And lightseekers and base game vault!! Also base game alley

[rigid mural]

the group’s director & biggest supporter

[frigid tinsel]

TWIN

[raw crypt]

TWINS !!!

[keen shore]

I’m glad we have even more timeline confirmation that the valley eldar fic could realistically take place

[tranquil harbor]

Why base game vault?

[rigid mural]

imagining rythm guide seeing their twin again after such a long time and yeah

[frigid tinsel]

Siblings reuniting in the Light

[keen shore]

One of the rhythm spirits (thoughtful director) is in vault. It’s a (not too uncommon) idea that vault was created near the very end of the kingdom, so it helps to clarify things,

Personally I believe vault was created later than the other realms, but more around the middle, so it doesn’t matter to me much

[tranquil harbor]

Oh yeah, they interact with some vault spirits in their memory

Anyway, bring on the sibling fan art I am ready (though I've already found one super cute one)

[keen shore]

I wonder if rhythm and performance guides are both from village of dreams and one just returned/stayed home?

[tranquil harbor]

Thoughtful director has owl hair right? Maybe they both traveled with Rhythm and Performance Guide returned home

[keen shore]

Headcanon: thoughtful director is their younger sibling

[tranquil harbor]

Or thoughtful director is the parent

[frigid tinsel]

If Dreams and Performance ancestors lived close to the fall of the kingdom, I wonder how the twins got separated from each other upon the Eden calamity. Perhaps Rhythm guide was off traveling with their troupe when things hit the fan.

Performance Guide looking at the fallout of Eden, thinking of their sibling.

[keen shore]

I was thinking that too but I didn’t want to say anything oh that would be awful. Imagine it’s the other way around and the troupe somehow escaped the disaster, so they return to the village to find their home destroyed and their twin gone

[frigid tinsel]

I’m in a dour mood

[uncut pond]

[tranquil harbor]

Y'all have gotta stop, I'm gonna die /lh

[tough coral]

personally i think "edensplosion" has a better ring to it than "calamity" /lh

[foggy lotus]

what if it was the other way around
(Twin that travels gets uh, y’now)

[rigid mural]

i think i will draw them hugging

[full badge]

T W I N S??????

[frigid tinsel]

yknow how Rhythm guide wasn't seen in the final cutscene of the season ascending with the rest of the troupe? what if they stayed behind and has just been lingering in the world somewhere looking for their twin?
oh what if at the end of the final Performance quest, Rhythm guide walks in and greets Performance guide or Rhythm guide is in the audience and Performance guide is all nervous like gotta put on good show for my sib, cmon yall

[tranquil harbor]

btw, them being twins confirms that it's a thing ancestors can have. Ancestors can have kids and can have more than one kid at a time

[foggy lotus]

i can smell the headcannons from here

[keen shore]

OH THAT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE AND NE SUPER CUTE I REALLU HOPE HOU R RIGJR. I CANT RHINK OF MUCH TO ADD BECAJSE MU HEAD IS ALL SCRAMBLY BUT I WOJLD LOVE TJAT.

[full badge]

I hope to god Rhythm QG comes to the performance at the end of the season... IT COULD HAPPEN... TGC...

[tranquil harbor]

-stares at manta/whale whisperer in the audience- u better be a sign my guy

[safe linden]

I like calamity

[lofty void]

SCREAMING BECASUE PERFORMANCE QG IS SIBLINGS WITH RHYTHM AAAA

[safe linden]

ARE THEY?!

[lofty void]

I NEED MY QG SIBLING RIVALRY ARC TGC.!!!!!!

[eternal totem]

Wow, actual confirmation

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat whenever anything gets confirmed

[keen shore]

Ok everyone imagine. Their twin is not rhythm guide it’s someone else

[foggy lotus]

we go ‘wawooga’ when character card drops

[uncut pond]

Either that, or ancestors are the stars that fell and there can be more than one ancestor in the same star or something

Idk lore is kinda convoluted ngl

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I was thinking that lol. they said 'past season guide' instead of rythm directly

[lofty void]

I NEED

SIBLEING RIVALry FLUFF

IF TGC DOENST MAKE IT HAPPEN I WILL

[frigid tinsel]

or one star could split upon landing

[lofty void]

yes but- hair and- masks and- performancey things

[tranquil harbor]

Y'all just do everything in your power to deny ancestors/skids could have any in common biology with humans huh? lh

[keen shore]

I wonder if twins are more common in valley or something?? It would be super neat

[fickle wing]

perfect timing for me to check lore chat speaking of twins being more common in valley

[uncut pond]

I feel called out 💀

[rigid mural]

they are twins !!! i hope they had a nice reunion !!!

[frigid tinsel]

I think ancestors were the most human, not skykids. just entertaining other thoughts

[lofty void]

that means if i lived in sky id most likely be born in valley cuz i have a twin

[tranquil harbor]

Nah, I get it. It's fun

[frigid tinsel]

twins: exist
Valley Elder(s): mine now

[queen forum]

From here forward Valley shall henceforth be referred to as “Twintown.”

[fickle wing]

HELP

[rigid mural]

GALAXY BRAIN
ESPECIALLY SINCE I HEADCANON BOTH ANCESTORS AND ELDERS ARE LINKED
YOU SEE THE TWIN PATTERNS THROUGHOUT VALLEY TOO

[uncut pond]

Valley of Triumph?
More like Valley of ... Twiumph...?

[lyric isle]

hi

blood-related questgivers moment

I am obsessed with these facts

[fickle wing]

YEAH
MAKES THE BRAINCELL GO BONKERS

[tranquil harbor]

where did cousins come from?

[keen shore]

HOW DID I NEVER NOTICE HOW MANY TWONS THERE WERE IN VALLEU BEFKRE WHAT.

alternate odd observation: Sky’s limited abilities of character design (because of masks obscuring facial features and just needing to be low detail) mean that in order to make characters look related, they need to be at similar heights and have similar hairstyles. This has the probably unintended side effect of implying that hairstyles are a genetic trait in Sky

[queen forum]

This all makes me wonder just how many other spirits in Sky could be related that we don’t know about.

[uncut pond]

Valley of Twiumph is how I will refer to Valley from now on. And I'll not apologize for that.

[red socket]

Performance guide looks like they have the biggest Ego
"Finally a worthy opponent!"

[fickle wing]

last bit just made me think of some ancestors just having a kid and being like omg they have ur hair and it’s like the exact same copy and paste just scaled down a bit cut on the bb

[rigid mural]

performance guide looks so intimidating but i saw them hyping skykids up during the quest and i want to hug them so bad

[lofty void]

performance guide gives me “big ego, loves their sibling” and rhythm guide just gives me “why are you like this Performance” vibes

[tranquil harbor]

we got a high five out of them, let's hope hug is on their list

[queen forum]

Don’t worry! Like other season guides we’ll probably get to hug them eventually.

[frigid tinsel]

tbf hair type is genetic but it's funky. nevertheless, hair type can determine what hairstyles you can have. like white people can't hair afros like I do – trying would damage their hair beyond repair.
still, I see the hairologists wringing their wrists.

[lyric isle]

idk what symbol to use for off-season but they deserve one imo so I use the home button as such

[rigid mural]

oh im not worrying, not even a dev can stop me from hugging them

[keen shore]

Two spirits with fantastical and vastly different hairstyles, like idk juggler and spin dancer, have a kid and fhe kid comes out with the most ridiculous hair you have ever seen

[frigid tinsel]

gonna beat Commodore with those puns

[keen shore]

This is 100% true, I mean like haircuts and ponytails at all. Like it would be a genetic trait to have a Mohawk or something

[lofty void]

paintbrush hair 2.0.

[fickle wing]

good lord a pair like that would prob end up a kid w this sorta hair
absolutely bonkers

[uncut pond]

Why am I like this I couldn't possibly have made a worse pun

[queen forum]

They wouldn’t even have to wait for the hair to grow. The kid would just be born with a full head of ridiculous hair.

[eternal totem]

Rhythm is out there traveling the world in a troupe while his brother settled to a theater in a humble village, I wonder if they’re distant or not

[red socket]

Ok but we are kinda getting vibes from Storyteller and Dancer right

[tranquil harbor]

they probably just wanted different things in life

[fickle wing]

oh definitely 🏳️‍🌈

[red socket]

Yea? Yea
They're definitely crushing on each other

[tranquil harbor]

From the card I thought the pairing might be dancer/musician but the memories say dancer/storyteller

[keen shore]

If hairstyles are genetic… just how expansive is the Bald People Family Tree

[lofty void]

anyone else get huge nd vibes from stagehand?

[lyric isle]

admittedly one of the things I said during reliving Dancer

“a man has fallen for a dancer in the village of dreams”

[eternal totem]

Maybe distant is not the word… rivalry? There’s always a sense of playful rivalry between Valley twins

[fickle wing]

bald is a dominant gene

[lofty void]

A MAN HAS FALLEN FOR A MAN IN LEGO CITY! START THE WEDDING PREPERATIONS—

[frigid tinsel]

as Enn said, prob just wanted wanted different things in life. though if they're twins, prob raised in the same family that encouraged the arts or at least in a cultural environment like Valley. they still pursued the arts in their own way. twins but not identical personality wise

[queen forum]

HEY!

[lyric isle]

I mean. Infocard only confirms these suspicions on my end tbh

[red socket]

Dancer and Storyteller have the vibes of telling each other wild fables and doing puppet shows in the meantime

Like imagine Storyteller cheering up Dancer with a little hand puppet

[lyric isle]

ooooof why do blood-related QGs always gotta have one who’s travelling that we never see as a result I want to see Both of them again

[lofty void]

i love the tiny theatre troupe performance qg has i love them so much aaaa 💖

[keen shore]

If twins are more common in valley due to the elders’ influence, I wonder if there’s anything similar in other realms. Maybe the prairie and valley Spirit Shapes have actual lore behind them???

[lyric isle]

the qg cousins 🤝 the qg twins

can one of you Come Back

[red socket]

Yall gonna make me write a fanfic for the theater kids

[safe linden]

I still firmly believe we should get crab pets but that's just me

[tranquil harbor]

We already have this. They're in most realms. Go pet one

[lyric isle]

Spirit Shapes (TM)
the many shapes of friend

[lofty void]

YOO SAME

[safe linden]

Thanks but i domt wanna get tackled

[rigid mural]

cross your fingers for an elder bird float for days of rainbow

[fickle wing]

PLEASE

[red socket]

The ones in Sanctuary on the islands near the trench are friendly!

[lyric isle]

for which of the missing QGs
both. they ended up bumping into one another at some point

[tranquil harbor]

When is days of rainbow? Like, when was the last one?

[safe linden]

You see, I wanna trust this

[fickle wing]

rhythm gang for days of rainbow would b so good that troupe is full of homosexuals have you SEEN them

[rigid mural]

late june iirc !

[red socket]

No no I'm not lying I swear I go to visit them all the time

[lofty void]

ayo look who at the pride parade [insert pic of Rhythm Guide at a pride parade here]

[uncut pond]

I'll be real, I'm beginning to believe that Flight and Abyss were actually a testing ground/prototype for TGC to test out new ideas for the season that they actually wanted to make (Performance)
Stuff like directly affecting the course of the spirits' memories/plot and directly interacting with objects in the environment (the tiny diamonds in abyss) and just the general vibes...

[tranquil harbor]

It's true. On the islands near the trench there are two black crabs and they're friendly. You can't pick 'em up without flipping them tho

[fickle wing]

the lgbts

[rigid mural]

cannoneer walked so musician and performance qg could run

[uncut pond]

YEA YOU GET IT

[lyric isle]

the gang

[harsh pecan]

yes

[tough coral]

oh- im not sure if this still works but i remember once during days of mischief i managed to unflip a crab in my hands by holding it near a crab that wasnt flipped, and then i was holding an upright crab

[red socket]

If we have any artists in the lore chat please, a crumb of Storyteller and Dancer art for the soul

[harsh pecan]

i wish i had time to draw them...

[rigid mural]

i drew this earlier today

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if it's deliberate influence or unintentional. is it just existing within some proximity of the Elders that alters the ancestors' physique? like if someone has been in the area with the Valley Elder(s) for a little while, they'll have twin offspring?

or could it be the realm itself that alters their physique? for that, consider if the Valleys had been known for twins then the Valley Elder(s)' star landed there and out popped twin Elders?

[red socket]

Thank you for your services

[lyric isle]

i wanna see both rhythm and off-season on this elder bird pride float now

we must have them both back
i want to draw but am tired. sorry for not really contributing to this

[lofty void]

Havent done sky art in a bit but

[red socket]

I haven't really shipped any spirits before...but seeing these two just make me go

[eternal totem]

(Quick note: The Director used to wear a cap in early beta. Owl hair was originally with her as a regular hairstyle, once Rhythm guide entered it was swapped over to him. So unsure if there’s any connection between her & the twins, I personally think not. It was never swapped back, might be due to the hectic 12-day testing period Rhythm had in 2020. I really like sharing beta tidbits, don’t mind me)

[tough coral]

gosh i kinda just popped my head in to share a silly valley twins headcanon and then when it turned out there was a conversation here i got caught up reading it all (it is fun reading it all. i care more and more about the spirits with every passing message)

[frigid tinsel]

I have to edit my Valley Elder(s) fic for my final portfolio and this twins talk got me

[tranquil harbor]

I always thought Rhythm guide and thoughtful director were related, personally

[lyric isle]

ye, I remember hearing about that

[keen shore]

Ooooh that’s a really interesting thought… it relates back to the general concept of the realms and elders being linked, like which one controls the other kind of thing. My first was that it’s technically the realm, but it’s caused by the elders — like, you wouldn’t necessarily have to be close to the valley twins to have a higher likelihood of having twins, you would just have to be in the realm, but if the elders weren’t there, that effect wouldn’t happen at all.

I’m still thinking about my original idea, because it’s easy to say that “oh, maybe ancestors born in wasteland would be more likely to be warriors,” but the version of that for valleu isn’t them being twins, it would be being involved in the arts/entertsinment. Do the other elders even HAVE something like being twins to influence kids with??? Hmmm

[harsh pecan]

same they look alike, but by that logic, a lot of spirits would be related so idk

[eternal totem]

To each their own

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, it's just, if this were a deliberate on the Valley Elder(s) part, why would they want to increase the birth rate of twins? has to be more than just for the lolz, right?

[keen shore]

I was thinking of it as less deliberate and more of a passive, unconscious effect they had on the realm around them. I realized something that made it make more sense, hold on

[uncut pond]

Idk, Valley of Twiumph (I'm not sorry) in general has a theme of duality and everything being in pairs, perhaps it's the realm itself and not the Elders

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I like jokes as much as the next person, but I really hate the idea that the twins just screw around for the lulz. Valley is a pretty solid place, they gotta be more serious than how fans portray them

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I don't think they'd do that for the lolz. they're Elder(s) and as you can see from how Valley thrived, you can tell they took care of the people well and were still serious. so if they did have that affect, it would not be intentional

[lyric isle]

i’m more so interested in owl hair

like. what causes these funny tufts? is it to do with the elder bird? is this some kinda gained/earned thing? are you born with it? is this some subspecies of birdpeople/bird-connected ancestors? there are three we now know with it, two of whom are known to be related

[uncut pond]

Furry ancestors furry ancestors

[harsh pecan]

oo yeah

[keen shore]

Ok so. Weird idea, but what if the twins being twins is directly and somehow related to them getting the cyan light, and thats what influences things? Like they split afterwards or something, or they formed straight from the light, or some other thing? I mean, it’s directly related to balance, isn’t it? Wouldn’t it make sense for something related to balance to also be related to duality, therefore more twins?

By that logic, would the ofher lights’s traits influence the spirits of other realms in a similar way?

[lyric isle]

I overthought about owl hair lore-wise while drawing Rhythm QG is where this came from

[frigid tinsel]

so we know animal masks correspond to ancestors' profession and it appears bird-type masks correlate with entertainers/performers. if Rhythm and Performance guide both resemble owls, what job does an owl signify?

[lyric isle]

also wanting to on the twin topic point out that I believe that Sparkler and Dreams QG are twins

[tranquil harbor]

I wasn't here for rhythm, but thoughtful director being a director makes Rhythm guide give me abyss guide vibes. Not actually the leader but rather someone that was helping.

[harsh pecan]

maybe the director or leader of the performers

[lyric isle]

I think of Rhythm QG as more of a kinda ringmaster and general face of the troupe whilst Director is…well, the actual director and organiser

[eternal totem]

Thought so as well, although it seems like Greeter would be moreso the Director’s right hand man to me

[tranquil harbor]

Plus, while we call it 'owl hair', Performance Guide gives me Penguin vibes

[frigid tinsel]

can't be a director cos Rhythm had a Thoughtful Director who doesn't look like a owl. although Dark did say that in Beta they had owl hair: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
hold on, let me look up something

[reef flax]

Think about this,
Rhythms a Owl, because in the last Quest Cutscene they’re seeing flyin away on a Bird Creature,
While Performance is a Emperor Penguin because he wanted to stay in the Mountain Village to write plays and stories
Just my take because Veteran from Belongingg

[lyric isle]

definitely. the name has just stuck

[harsh pecan]

true

[topaz steppe]

Omg it is confermed that the guides are twins
I know most people know it already but
Omg yall!!!!!
They are twins

[keen shore]

My first thought was that owls would signify knowledge to some extent, so that they’d be in vault more. This is probably wrong, though, so the actual answer is probably something along the lines of all birds signify performers, and you just choose your favorite one to base the mask off of. It is super neat to think of each bird being something different.

I wonder if the bird masks are like, a conscious thing that performers do because they want to, or if making your job obvious at all times is just a thing in Sky society. I’m leaning towards the first

[reef flax]

Bird Creatures especially in the Sky Kingdom are very important due to the abilities to take flight perhaps

[frigid tinsel]

what if the guides are producers, not directors

The main difference between a director and a producer is that directors oversee the creative process of making a movie and producers handle the logistics. While producers can still have input about creative aspects of the film such as casting and script development, directors spend much more time on set providing guidance for the hands-on details of filming and editing.

Producers oversee and coordinate the resources and paperwork associated with the process of making a movie, from the beginning phase of securing funding to advertising the completed film. Film directors generally have more artistic and creative responsibilities, while film producers work with the business aspects that enable the director to create their vision.

...both jobs are inherently leadership roles, they can also delegate some tasks to assistants and other professionals, but they are still responsible for the final product that their team produces.
(Indeed, emphasis mine)

[tranquil harbor]

For a performer, being flashy and noticable is important usually. I wouldn't be surprised if performers specifically broadcasted their jobs to the public this way in sky culture

[atomic grove]

SHARE MORE (I don't mind at all)

[eternal totem]

(Rhythm’s beta cycle was unfortunately terribly short so there isn’t much to share related to current discussion)

[hushed steeple]

I smell there is gonna be fan fictions

[uncut pond]

You got a good point there

[red socket]

Me trying not to get my angsty hands on Storyteller and Dancer

[reef flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/700556663907942430/768509841609588746/image1.jpg
Finally found one of the old screenshots when Rhythm was still here, have a this
it didnt embed heckiNG-

[frigid tinsel]

There’s no embeds in this server. At all. Something I noticed. I know that can be disabled

[reef flax]

Have a thiss

[eternal totem]

(Well that would explain why Performance guide was shrunk…)

[atomic grove]

(maybe beta fun facts from a different season or something?)

[stable veldt]

I just woke up and got a bombshell of a confirmation.. That's how rare we are in terms of confirmation lol

[uncut pond]

That character model is so good every time I see a spirit with that model I realize I NEED my skid to have those pants

TGC make pants out of the spirit base models challenge (impossible)

[frigid tinsel]

Resembles cargo pants

[lyric isle]

I wear Spin-Dancer’s when cosplaying spirits with that model

[eternal totem]

I already mentioned this earlier with screenshots but I never shared this older height comparison. I was leaning towards a tall younger brother, sort of but considering Valley’s theme of identical twins

[lyric isle]

very big

[eternal totem]

I’ll take my leave, this is too scary for me

[uncut pond]

These Guides are TITANS

[bleak depot]

Wonder when the day will come when we see a new guide taller than prophecy

[red socket]

chibi guide when?

[harsh pecan]

i dont think that day will ever come

[uncut pond]

They'll just chibi-fall into the backrooms every time you try to interact with them

... That would make for a neat April's fools joke actually...

[shut trellis]

never

[sharp lichen]

Ah, so it’s essentially confirmed that Rhythm and Performance guide are twins? This means that they existed at the same time

[shut trellis]

They are? That makes sense. Guess valley is the land of twins

[uncut pond]

||Valley of Twiumph||

[rigid mural]

twinserland

[tranquil harbor]

Walkin' in a Twinter Wonderland

[quick terrace]

“Are ya twinning son”

[frigid tinsel]

"Are ya twinning twins?"

[stable veldt]

Think triumph might be rampant in criminal activity since many can be an (cough) impostor

[hushed steeple]

Every season gives rhythm guide A new reason to feel shorter

[frigid tinsel]

identical twins don't have identical fingerprints

[outer hare]

b o b b i t

[outer hare]

Just like every time i enter into a some kind of bookstore or cafe.....

[outer hare]

Twinses valley in pretty much confirmed TwT

[ashen vault]

Did anyone notice that this season's guide has a cape star? I don't know if that's happened before.

[frigid tinsel]

yea all caped spirits have at least one star since the last update. it's likely a bug since it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes.

[tranquil harbor]

all spirits seem to have stars now if they have capes. Granny has 5 I think

[ashen vault]

Oh😆

[upper ferry]

gah, spirit lore confuses the heck outta me, but i think i’ve got a pretty solid headcannon of why your skykid decides to commit forbidden fruit gummy(are eden spoilers allowed here?)

[tranquil harbor]

All spoilers are fair game except things that are in beta but not in the live version. If you come in here and get spoiled, it's your own fault for not heeding the channel title

[south badger]

so who else thinks flight guide is the twin

[tranquil harbor]

I will fight you in the theater pit /j

[frigid tinsel]

well

[south badger]

they didn’t say it was rhythm guide i’m gonna run with it 🏃‍♀️

[tranquil harbor]

Do it! Fight the power!

[keen shore]

I recorded mu joirney through orbit, which was absolutely the right thing to do, bc I got two shots that I’ve been meaning to get for ages. Enjoy!!!

[thin dirge]

Flight Guide was taught by Prairie Elder though....

Performance gives me "Older Twin" vibes. Though, it'd be fun to say Rhythm was older despite appearing otherwise.
Also, notice that both have "triangles under eyes" mask motifs? Look closely at Performance's mask, its clearly added there so that they would resemble Rhythm in some form...

[sonic ocean]

meee

[tranquil harbor]

I am prepared to concede and go 'Flight Guide is their cousin' tbh, it'd amuse me

[sonic ocean]

i entertained the twin being rhythm guide for a few minutes and then decided they look too similar and the twin probably isnt that obviously related

[keen shore]

Flight guide and rhythm guide have, at the very least, met. Unless the windpafhs were already defunct when rhythm came along, then there’s no way the troupe didn’t use them constantly

[upper ferry]

ok, so i think the reason why your skid is perfectly fine with commiting fruit gummy is because the ancestors did not. we don’t know why there’s a big red thing in eden but my theory is that it my be some kind of immortality machine. recall that in the castle orbit cutscene the light creatures are destroying the building. the technology that the spirits built was creating darkness. when you die in eden you have to hug a light, you cannot ascend yourself (can’t go to orbit without light, which spirits dont have!) Then, when your skid does the Die, you are allowed to rebirth as your reward for willingly dying when the ancestors didn’t.

[frigid tinsel]

"commit fruit gummy"?

[sonic ocean]

perhaps rhythm guide is trying to emulate performance guide in appearance (at least) or vice-versa

[upper ferry]

big res crystal yummy fruit gusher

[keen shore]

…Isn’t being obviously visually similar, even identical, like 90% of what twins are about?

[sonic ocean]

maybe, then again i’m not a twin so i wouldn’t know

[frigid tinsel]

thinking about how we don't understand the mechanisms behind spirit memories in the first place but apparently ancestors figured out enough to replicate them with spells

[tranquil harbor]

I think they're different things, fundimentally. Spirit memories are something that deals with sky's magic-y nature. The memory candles are more like hologram technology

[white junco]

they’re really really similar though… like a recording of a skykid doesn’t capture their chest light, for example. Obviously I wouldn’t suggest that the spirits were recordings, bc that’s absolutely no fun, but maybe the memory candles were made in a way similar to whatever happened to make the spirit memories linger?

[tranquil harbor]

The spirits do have chest lights in their memories

[keen shore]

Ok, now that I think about it, how WOULD the valley ancestors deal with crime? They’re all wearing masks already so you can’t see anyone’s face. Fingerprints are very easy to get around if you wear gloves, which most people already do bc it’s so cold. Everyone has a twin. It’s unknown whether they had the technology to know what dna was or to investigate it, much less have it in the first place. Crime would be so easy in valley

[rapid arrow]

Ah yes. Commit tax fraud in the Valley of Triumph

[keen shore]

The twins probably wouldn’t even be mad at you for committing it. They’d be like “yeah I’ve always wanted to rob a bank”

[tranquil harbor]

This is Valley Elders slander and I will not stand for it

Alternative: The Valley Elders (or any elder) being so godlike to the ancestors made them afraid to commit crimes because they believed the elders could just tell somehow. The elders heard these rumors that they could do all these extra weird things they definitely can't do and just went 'yeah okay, it keeps the crime rate down'

[keen shore]

Oh, the Crab Whisperer effect! That would make sense…

I still want a season of theft though. like a valley season where they need your help to pull off a heist or something. It would be hilarious. I know the abyss and assembly spirits steal things all the time, but those thefts are when no one can catch them, which is boring

[amber creek]

As far as we're concerned there isn't any crime in sky

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps that was such a problem that that the Valley Elder(s) just had lax laws. or their version of crime was different than ours

[keen shore]

Maybe everyone was so well off that they didn’t feel the need/want to commit crime and get punished? Like they all had enough to eat, they all had shelter, so on, so there was no reason to?

[south badger]

twins can look pretty different especially if ones a different gender (ik spirits don’t have gender but just as an explanation lol)

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, actually making sure people are well cared for does amazing in making crime go down. And Valley looks pretty prosperous

[amber creek]

The only evidence of crimes being committed is the king's guardsv in Little Prince (because why would you need protection is there isn't threats) but that was a pocket dimension is some sorts. They weren't really apart of sky they just sort of crash landed here

[frigid tinsel]

violence would obviously be punished I feel. assault, murder

[south badger]

i’m really into the idea that crime and such is just a different concept to spirits
to add: it’s natural to project human behavior onto humanoid characters like this but i’m open to the idea that the spirits might not have similar human nature to our own

[amber creek]

I feel like their idea of crime would be disrespect not necessarily harm or theft. Like they didn't honor their ancestors or the light creatures but karma would punish them so there wouldn't be any need for courts or prisons

[south badger]

considering the refineries and such, i’m surprised that was (as far as we know) not considered crime of some sort

[amber creek]

Also ancestors appear to be vegan by some sorts and there isn't really any form of meat around to eat. By Earth's standards, most herbivores that have a low competitive environment are not physically aggressive or confrontational

[south badger]

specifically thinking about the light creature refineries murals in the abyss area

[frigid tinsel]

the Treasure Reef facility is a wayys out there, so it could've been secret

[keen shore]

There’s always the possibility that there are prisons and all, Sky just doesn’t show them because it’s a kid’s game and they don’t want the implications. They also might have somehow different methods of dealing with crime, like idk… wiping memories of the crime so that it wouldn’t be repeated? I don’t know, just throwing stuff out there.

[south badger]

good point !

[tranquil harbor]

One of the spirits is a hunter. They also have birds, which suggests they have poultry and eggs. They also eat fish + it was implied mantas give milk

[keen shore]

However, the Forest temple is also a refinery. It would be a lot harder to keep that secret

[tranquil harbor]

Also, just because there were light creature refineries, doesn't mean these places were highly abusive to the animals. For all we know, these refineries were just another form of animal agriculture to the ancestors

[amber creek]

It's so hard to figure this out because their biology is so different from ours so we can't apply our standard's

[frigid tinsel]

we don't know how divergent ancestor biology was. so they could've been really human or they could've been really alien

[violet sundial]

Assembly kids making a getaway after robbing a bank

[frigid tinsel]

as for the refineries, it's possible they were well-known but what happened in them wasn't

[amber creek]

I feel like sky had more of a creationism take on how creatures came into existence rather than evolution

[keen shore]

I can totally see the assembly kids committing a heist… everyone is lucky that they grew up in/stayed in forest instead of valley or vault. They would 100% break into the archives

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss crew definitely pulled off some heists

[violet sundial]

Several vault scholars found dead and memories missing in archives (girlbossed to death)

[amber creek]

Abyss crew literally stealing from old building those things looked man made

[keen shore]

True, but was anyone really around to catch them? I can See them committing a heist 100%, the question is if it’s like robbing an elder temple after literally everyone has died or vanished, or trying to break into the valleu temple in its peak during a coliseum performance

[frigid tinsel]

not much of a heist if they're raiding already-abandoned places. would just be looting

[gloomy jacinth]

I like to think of the abyss crew as an expedition research group

[amber creek]

Looting is still technically a crime depending on how you look at it. Seeing as how sky culture revolves around ancestors and wanting to revive old places, it doesn't seem to be in their character to want to take things from old buildings

[keen shore]

I need a valleu heist season so bad. Like during a rhythm performance when everyone is distracted, they just sneak in the back and start grabbing things. They need your help to successfully distract the valley elders while it takes place, and also to find out where everything is stored

[violet sundial]

Sparkler parent is the guide

[slate saffron]

Really it's more like graverobbing, no?

[amber creek]

Heists would be more mischief rather than ill intentions. But general mischief is still a crime in some parts of the world

[keen shore]

RIGHT. it’s all the stealing parts without all the fun bits and strategizing about how to pull it off

[tranquil harbor]

we distract the valley elders by being so cute they can't help but hug us

[amber creek]

Grave robbing??? You mean archeology????

[keen shore]

The abyss spirits watching us like: “Ok, when you take a cape from a dead person, it’s a “gift” and “cute.” But when I do it,

[slate saffron]

Not so say they wouldn't do all the fun bits considering all the blasty sticks they have with them! i still cannot get over how Season of Abyss made fire-arms canon aaaaAAAAAA

[keen shore]

Anyway boatswain 100% stole that cape. There’s no way they didn’t

[amber creek]

It was a fair trade they got candles in return!! I worked hard for this!!!

I found this in memes but what?????? That's not her mother????

[keen shore]

The dream guide being the skater’s mother is actually more likely to be factually correct than them being the same person, considering, in the last quest, the guide gives the skater their clothes

[amber creek]

See, that's what I thought. Leave the facts to lore chat!!!

[keen shore]

Like, I guess it can work, considering even after that’s said and done, you buy the clothes off the guide and not the skater. But then that implies a weird time loop which I don’t even want to think about because time travel is awful and I have a deep and burning hatred for it,

[frigid tinsel]

mood

[white junco]

disappeared for a while but rq i meant more like the physical thingies on the skykids chest and not like, the inner light that the physical thingie is probably projecting light from. that inner light thing is what we see with the spirits

[slate saffron]

YEAH and it also makes more sense thematically considering how the village was acting like one big family in order to help the dreams girl succeed, it would be weird if the guide wasn't someone close to the dreams girl

[keen shore]

Finallu someone who understands my feelings towards time travel. Everytime time travel is shown in fiction I lose 5 years off my life and gain a massive and pounding headache

[tranquil harbor]

The ancestors also have physical chest lights, as shown in the switch trailer

[rigid mural]

Time travel my beloathed. I avoid media with it like the plague.

[white junco]

yes! we agree on that! i’m talking about how those physical chest lights don’t appear on the spirits, and they don’t appear on the memory candle recordings

[amber creek]

Skater wasn't really a spirit herself that had a specific action??? she was just the center of the story we wouldn't revive her specific memory. It was a collection of memories

[rugged jackal]

she existed tho right

[rigid mural]

I like to think dreams skater is remembered by so many she kinda is here in a way, as a link between all these mentors

[slate saffron]

Time travel is fun except when it isn't which is always and god I hate the theory that each realm is a different hour of the day in one location and that everytime you die you get set back in time I will scream pain is all I know and I will cause a homicide because of it

[amber creek]

I'm not saying skater didn't exist it was just that we couldn't revive her like a tradition spirit and she was apart of all of their memories. The whole season was basically reviving her

[white junco]

…why on earth would you add time travel to things oh my god
that’s wild and evil (not directed at you)

[keen shore]

I have to wonder, what’s the actual lore reason the skaters memories couldn’t be relived?? They ascend with everyone else during the final cutscene, so it’s not like they’d already been helped by someone else or thst their spirit somehow got destroyed. Maybe it’s kinda like the sanctuary guide, where every time we were reliving someone else’s memories, we were helping restore theirs as well

[rugged jackal]

So if I may get this straight, the first three quests were “reviving” her, and the last two she was alive?

ok maybe not alive alive but you get what i mean

[tranquil harbor]

They can be relived tho? They're even daily quests

[white junco]

…wait it just clicked for me that the first couple dreams quests are relived in the same way as ordinary spirits

[slate saffron]

If I remember correctly the first spirit you relive during that season was the skater girl skating around the icesheet with her mom watching in the background, right?

[keen shore]

No like, they’re not a traditional spirit memoru like everyone else’s. Whenever we do relive them, they always include others, and there’s 5 of them and u don’t get emotes

[rigid mural]

Maybe some spirits don't or can't give emotes when revived ? Skater has 5 memories so

[amber creek]

Literally, it takes a village to revive her. It was more about the people helping her, not really her by herself. Having her as an individual spirit would take away from the story. She was a manifestion of the help and love of a small village. She combined everything she learned from them. Not saying she isn't an individual but she learned so much from everyone around her

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's because it's happening in real time. We're not reliving them, but are instead experiencing the event

[rigid mural]

Each quest had a spirit, quest 1 was with mentor under the eyes of the mom, second was with postman, third was with hermit and fourth was with the performer. 5th quest is the finale.

[frigid tinsel]

so

1. an individual can appear in multiple spirit memories
2. spirits might have multiple spirit memories (Dreams skater)
3. multiple spirit memories can concern the same event (Stagehand & Musician; maybe Rejecting Voyager and a lightseeker)

[white junco]

I really like the community parallels between dreams and performance… in dreams, the spirit memories are all helping this kid achieve their dream. in performance, it’s all the theatre members helping each other out in their memories to achieve their collective dream

[slate saffron]

I think it's more like a in-real-time deal rather than just experiencing the event outright! After all they're spirits, so it's probably an event that happened in the past and is being partially relived through the players help

[keen shore]

OH DONT FORGET MU FACORITE SPIRIT MEMORY FUN FSCT!!

4. Spirit memories can be individually parasitized by darkness plants and/or degrade, both without affecting the other spirit memories. [An example of this occurring is in the slumbering shipwrights memory sequence.] This implies that they exist individually from the spirit on some level before we relive them, allowing them to be parasitized in the first place. (I.E. being impressions left in a different dimension)

[rigid mural]

OH OH ABOUT THESE
EVERY MEMORY IN PERFORMANCE HAS THE SPIRIT GETTING HELP FROM ANOTHER SPIRIT

[tranquil harbor]

I'm partial to the idea that the seasons aren't memories, but actual events we do in the present with the spirits to help them achieve what they need to ascend.

[keen shore]

WIAT WAIT SO… even though base game valleu is partially/originally about competition, the seasonal themes so far are about helping each other instead of competing instead…

[frigid tinsel]

the spirit memories are memories of the past but after freeing the petrified spirit, they're a spirit in the present. so the season events must be in the present too

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, Team Work is also a part of competitions. Everyone is like 'ahaha, the valley elders fight in their cutscene' but literally every scene except vault (INCLUDING THE SAME FIGHT SCENE) has them acting as one. As a team

[rigid mural]

It's super cool cos Musician's memory conveniently ends where you can find Stagehand's, so I like to imagine both are about the same event but Musician remembers ditching Stagehand to jam with the squad and Stagehand remembers Musician helping them so...

[slate saffron]

OH WAIT YEAH. Sorry, my brain fried out there for a second. I just went to check and you're right

[keen shore]

I’m not jsut talking about that. I’m talking about how comeptition was mentioned as a theme in concept arts. There’s not really a heavy focus on either that or helping others in base game valley, so it’s kind of hard to tell whether the shift is confined to seasonal stories, or whether it occurred over the entire story as a shift away from the concept art

[amber creek]

This seasons memories cross over so much it was a little confusing especially since it was in a very small space. It's the smallest season space we've had

[tranquil harbor]

You'd think having a small space would be bad, but they've jammed so much into the theater that u just don't notice

[slate saffron]

that's a valid interpretation to have. I'm personally like Alasdairs interpretation the most, but both make sense canonically

[tranquil harbor]

My interpretation doesn't clash with his

[rigid mural]

VALLEY REALLY SHOWS VICTORS DON'T FEEL CONTEMPT FOR THOSE THAT LOST OK
You got proud victor laughing off sliding on their bum across the rink ! Handstanding thrillseeker doing a playful victory pose but hurting themselves in the process ! I love valley spirits, they all sound kind.

Valley's about competition but also balance, they NEED eachother to succeed, and lagging behind or losing doesn't seem like a tragedy here either !

[tranquil harbor]

Valley Spirits show good sportsmanship

[keen shore]

It’s possible that we can be both reliving the skaters memories during the quests, and also that they take place in the present. Like, maybe their memory needs extra help before they can ascend, or they don’t remember their life as a skater and everyone else wants to help them with that, so they ask you to help them out and support them

[amber creek]

I actually haven't played around in the theater yet but you know I'll be posing in my bougie flower cape

[white junco]

I don’t mind that the area is small, but why r the wind walls and reset barriers so intense i slide off the map just a little and back to performance guide i go

[tranquil harbor]

Like please, just let me charge my cape in these clouds
Reset Barrier: Back to your new parent!

[keen shore]

the valley elders like playing ping pong with us that’s why

[slate saffron]

Forceful adoption.

[rigid mural]

This is so funny, the wind walls really made an announcement at the store for the guide to please come pick you up.

[amber creek]

I'm very glad I was not the only one frustrated by those barriers that's why it feels so small. I get turned around very easily this ain't it!

[reef plover]

Omg omg omg guys they've confirmed performance guide and rhythm guide are twins!?!!! This is crazy and awesome!!

[white junco]

tgc decided to not hide their assets super well this season so they just put up barriers instead

[keen shore]

Legend says that juggler is still stuck in the void down there…

[rigid mural]

That's where they're stored until another 200 candle pants comes on a TS week

[slate saffron]

Friendly reminder that since the megabird created everything, they also are the one responsible for creating the windwalls and playing Mario Tennis ™️ rated E for everyone with your sky kid any time they go out of bounds.

This is why you should support the king!
To spite the Megabird

[rigid mural]

ok

[slate saffron]

good

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) got cyan light, they prob made the wind walls

[slate saffron]

no >:(

[keen shore]

I can totally imaginethem trying to play ping pong with us and wind gusts. I can also totally skykids see loving it

[amber creek]

Valley elders prefer to play it with moths since they can't fly as well to it's easier to bonk them around