lore-discussion-spoilers

[unborn narwhal]

TWIRL

[rigid mural]

I love Twirl, I'd trust them to not make fun of me if I suck at sports.

[umbral hull]

Putting this in the right channel this time: I just noticed that spirits with capes have only one star on them. What this means lore-wise I’m curious about, but I’m mostly curious to see if this was something new that came with the update, or if it was a small detail I missed

[frigid tinsel]

it came with the update and prob a bug

[rigid mural]

Spirits are moths now !

[hushed steeple]

nah im here to say they’ve always been moffs

[umbral hull]

Ah I see!

also omg hi alasdair

[unborn narwhal]

more details to the cape

[lime sierra]

Is it because sky is becoming more and more like it was in the past, so maybe the spirits are having a stronger connection to the light??

[keen shore]

Apparently some spirits have more stars? What this does mean is really interesting to me, because it implies that those capes aren’t just articles of clothing, but manifested from WL or something similar to it, like ours are

[rigid mural]

-grabbing caped spirit- you're my friend now ! We're gonna get soft tacos later :)

[queen forum]

I guess that means we’re doing something right!

[unborn narwhal]

Guides have more wings from exploring the world

[lime sierra]

YAAAYYY

[raw crypt]

I assume it’s a bug/side affect of fixing the floating stars left behind, but it lookz cool

[compact shale]

Maybe the wings are like a stamp card until you get reborn, Grandma is a lot closer because of us helping them feel not lonely (for legal purposes, this is not something I am saying seriously)

[keen shore]

Is the whole guides having stars thing a bug or am I just not seeing where it’s part of the update

[frigid tinsel]

i think it's a bug cos it was never mentioned in the patch notes

[lime sierra]

What's the legal reason :(

[unborn narwhal]

No they added it on purpose not a bug

[white junco]

i didn’t see it in the update either but this also showed up in beta? so idk?

[compact shale]

Because of the possibility that this is actually glitch lore and not serious lore

[raw crypt]

hot gluing stars to the cape so they dont fly off, the kids didnt realize they shouldbt hot glue stars to spirit capes as well

[keen shore]

It’s super interesting that most of them only have 1 star, which makes it feel intentional instead of a bug, thought could be wrong. That would imply they can fly like us though — which would make flight a Lot weirder

[umbral hull]

My friend thinks it’s a possibility that they could only glide

[white junco]

vela are you here and do you have the crab call glide video (sorry i do not have it)

[keen shore]

no I ate them :(

[white junco]

NOOOO

[rigid mural]

@white junco

[umbral hull]

I’m more inclined to think that it might be due to them being deceased

[unborn narwhal]

• sees a flying crab call * A

[lime sierra]

Oooh remember when someone said that wl is the residue of many skykids travelling in areas? What if the more we Interact with spirits the more Winged light they will have? Is that the point of befriending spirits so they can be closer to God with the power of friendship?!?!?!? :D

[umbral hull]

But again this is probably just a bug lmao

[keen shore]

Something about some of these spirits being able to fly is killing me. I am losing it imagining boatswain trying to fly

[white junco]

HSHSHSHDH

[lime sierra]

NAURR

[rigid mural]

What are you up to with gliding crab call, spade

[raw crypt]

GRAMPA GOT WINGS

[compact shale]

and then they bumped their head and had to shave up to get it treated

[umbral hull]

Imagine cannoneer trying to fly

[unborn narwhal]

I ALREADY GOT WINGS

[frigid tinsel]

they'd be shooting fireballs down at the ground

[keen shore]

Whogave them these abilities, it was a horrible idea

[white junco]

relevant to conversation but now i want to go sit in my little theory corner and think

[unborn narwhal]

Oh no

[compact shale]

Thanks to cosmetics of light we aren't worried about the actual aerodynamics of the cape shape

But what if aerodynamics is actually a thing here

a big SPLAT, a cracked face, and a billion different ways to lie that a krill did this to you

[umbral hull]

I’d imagine they’d have to be a lot more economic with flight too and to combat it it could explain why the manta were kept the way they were

I’m just spitballing that though

[frigid tinsel]

I bet the Flight spirits are peeved they don't have more capes

[compact shale]

combat wwhat?

[white junco]

doing this to skykids to test if they’re aerodynamic

[keen shore]

Omg its alasdairs pfp

[frigid tinsel]

STOP

[compact shale]

NEVER

[umbral hull]

Poor choice of wording, sorry. I’m trying to say that in order to try to deal with having such limited flight ability it’s possibly they would have to take light from light creatures

[unborn narwhal]

[umbral hull]

But again this star cape is probably a bug and I’m looking too deep into it 😭 I do love me some lore though

[keen shore]

I saw my opportunity and… I took it

[compact shale]

It's ok, we get into glitch lore sometimes too :3

[frigid tinsel]

I am a brain made out of aluminium foil

[keen shore]

Yeah well my brain is bigger, it’s not made out of aluminum foil, and it thinks yours is a chicken. Take THAT

[frigid tinsel]

where's Vela, I need to do a cheesin'

[keen shore]

Whoever has the cheese has the power… and I have more cheese than you

[compact shale]

buy your own cheese D. Air

[frigid tinsel]

all the cheese sticks in my fridge would hurt

[white junco]

melt them. make a giant cheese

[keen shore]

I am also incredibly fast so none of your cheeses will touch me

[unborn narwhal]

||Hey!!! Not nice ||spoiler in case this upsets you

[rapid arrow]

I like mozzarella sticks

[white junco]

cheese, the 5th element

[keen shore]

Alasdair… you can always sit tight for a few months in a dark corner and then you will be Alascheese. You can have infinite power then

[compact shale]

I like

[unborn narwhal]

I like chips! || not if you’re allergic to potatoes||

[compact shale]

Don't you need a sheep stomach for that?

[keen shore]

the final form. WAIT HAS VELA BEEN THROWINF YOU AT ME THIS WHOLE TI,E

betryal

[compact shale]

alasdair do a t pose

[rapid arrow]

:O

[lime sierra]

Sky people prob have cheese in their world
But how do they get the milk for the cheese 👁👁

[frigid tinsel]

apparently mantas can be milked.

[rigid mural]

HeLP

[unborn narwhal]

T H E G O D O F C H E E S E

[compact shale]

wasn't this from a time we fell for Ash's heehee hoohoo funnis

[tranquil harbor]

they're fantasy creatures, so flying horse cows is fine

[keen shore]

If mantas can be milked, that implies they are mammals and also have hair. Stay strong wooly manta believers it may yet be true

[unborn narwhal]

• milks a manta *

[rigid mural]

You can ride cows like you ride horses fyi

[compact shale]

who wouldn't

[rigid mural]

Wrong cheese

[frigid tinsel]

there's a reason we domesticated cows for milk & meat and horses for riding

[rigid mural]

Cowards

[keen shore]

what kind of cheese have u been using ? someone else?

[frigid tinsel]

maybe something that packs a punch

[compact shale]

A cheese that is doomed to eternally suffer

[keen shore]

How many cheese stock photos do you Have

[rapid arrow]

I am a tad corncern/j

[rigid mural]

@keen shore the kind of cheese you put in cheeseburgers

@frigid tinsel begging you on my hands and knees to stop cheeseposting, I'm almost out of it and I don't want to go to the grocery store if I binge on it today /hj

[compact shale]

Please don't be. :3

[frigid tinsel]

so this cheese

[rigid mural]

Jail

[keen shore]

Please stop cheese posting. I am lactose intolerant and I can’t open up chat without seeing pictures of cheese and getting sick because that’s totally how lactose intolerance works

[frigid tinsel]

2/4 of my siblings are lactose intolerant so I know you're lying

[rigid mural]

Found the festive spin dancer kinnie

[keen shore]

okay. first of all

[compact shale]

eat your vegggies

[unborn narwhal]

Spoiler pic please Salem is uncomfortable!!

[rigid mural]

HELP

[keen shore]

My bad, I didn’t realize your siblings were the only lactose intolerant people on earth /j

[frigid tinsel]

[keen shore]

AUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHH MY EYES IT BURNS

[unborn narwhal]

STOP IT NOW SALEM IS UNCOMFORTABLE

[frigid tinsel]

better than rotting chicken pfp

[keen shore]

I will not tolerate being called a “festive spin dancer kinnie” by the fr*nch /j

[tranquil harbor]

It looks like a roast chicken with veggies

[rigid mural]

This is your brain on camembert. Stimulate your senses.

[unborn narwhal]

STOP IT NOW IM DEFENDING SALEM AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH

[keen shore]

I am beginning to realize that nothing I ever say after this will top the sheer absurdity of this post out of context

[rigid mural]

We're bantering

[frigid tinsel]

more cheese for the heathens

[keen shore]

lactose intolerant oppression

[compact shale]

Don't you mean... cheathens?

[rigid mural]

[unborn narwhal]

Wait why I don’t even know what banter means

[keen shore]

Banter is a word used to refer to someone who bants a lot, which is a type of art involving moving the body, typically to music. Take the Modest Banter, for example, the spirit whose card was introduced today.

[compact shale]

best response

[raw crypt]

To banter is to like, exchange playful and teasing remarks with pals

HELP GJDHDJND

[unborn narwhal]

TW!: expired food Reference|| lore chat gone mouldy||

[white junco]

salem I am CACKLING

[rigid mural]

Slink is right but Salem has no right being this funny

[compact shale]

Kyukyukyukyukyu!!! :3

[keen shore]

thank you everyone I worked hard on it. I have taken a vow to never give someone a correct word definition

[frigid tinsel]

no that's dancing. Banter is the shoreline alongside rivers

[raw crypt]

woah they made cackling real? like from thatskygame?

[rigid mural]

CANNONEER REAL ???

[white junco]

don’t tell anyone it hasn’t been released to the public yet

[keen shore]

No, those are banks. Banter is a system in which people trade for goods they desire.

[rigid mural]

That's bargain. Banter is a large hairy mammal.

[frigid tinsel]

no that's bartering. Banter is a tool used to slice cheese up into thin slices like so

[rigid mural]

Why is Alasdair smarter than me, this is illegal.

[keen shore]

Alasdair got it right, but that’s a grater. Banter is a type of bear that eats bamboo

[rigid mural]

That's a panda. Banter is a feline.

[unborn narwhal]

Everyone please stop with the cheese thing it is NOT related to Sky let’s scream about performance and an “ animation project “

[keen shore]

I WAS GOING TOUSE PANTHER NEXT YPU MEANIE. A banter is a slang term for a song someone really likes.

[raw crypt]

i want to see the ancestor cheeses

[unborn narwhal]

Ima leave soon OK BYE!

[frigid tinsel]

nah that's a banger. A banter is a profession of cutting and styling men's hair

[keen shore]

No, that’s a barber. A banter is a medium sized light creature found in the world of Sky, which can carry you places, AND WHICH BRINGD US BACK TO SKY LORE ! See, we’re on topic :3

[rigid mural]

Trying to find lore pics but do you think there's a link between the orb of fire and the trees looking burnt in the boneyard ?

[frigid tinsel]

no, that's a manta. a banter is a golden metallic instrument that attracts mantas and other light creatures

[rigid mural]

Belt

[frigid tinsel]

in the Cave of Prophecy murals, it alludes to orange light being the cause of fires in the Forest. perhaps those trees burnt down

[white junco]

remember the quote that goes along with this light is “they offer warmth in times of cold”… tight knit forest community when everything starts to really suck

[rigid mural]

Oh my god

[keen shore]

OOOH GOOD OBSRVATION… MAYBE… I always assumed they were cut down, but the cuts are way too jagged and high up. Fun fact — on the assembly maps in the treehouses, you can see the trees drawn super jagged, which implies that the assembly kids also saw those trees post burning as well.

[rigid mural]

Alasdair I noticed it yeah, always thought the power of fire came from forest bc of it.

Spade I need a moment to process this.

Salem I am

[keen shore]

That map and the trees was the driving force behind me considering assembly as post apoc but I keep forgetting to mention it.

Also, notice how the dome symbol with a dot on it is on a tree, near the area we usually wait to catch the orange light oj its cycle? Several pots are also labeled with that symbol… what if the orange light is what kept the assembly spirits alive that long? Enchantments failure and subsequent deaths and the orbs scattering, directly providing the assembly spirits with a means to survive when they otherwise would have none…

[rigid mural]

SALEM YOUR MIND
It's past my curfew but

[raw crypt]

Spitballing ideas here, But I think it’d make a lot of sense for hidden forest to be hidden/shyed away from if a forest fire drove people out from it, only coming back to rediscover it/come back to it later down the line

[rigid mural]

HENCE THE TRAILBLAZERS AND PIONEERS
IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER

[white junco]

WAIT ALASDAIR you mentioning that made me go back and look at the prophecy murals before you go into the cave and. from what i can tell water causes rain, earth causes plant growth, air causes wind/levitates stuff and fire sets things on fire.
The thing I noticed most was earth bc a friend of mine proposed that maybe green isle was actually created with the green orb, and that it was originally a desert… and at least that orb is the same as the prophecy light and that would line up with timeline stuff i think

[keen shore]

I WONDER WHERE THE PROPEHCY MURAL OF FOREST ELDER CALLING DOWN RAIN FITS INTO THIS… MAYBE TO PUT OUT THE FIRE???

[rigid mural]

We know ancestors were here before the stars fell sooooo

[unborn narwhal]

Let me guess… the trees grew too high and got either burned or cut down

[keen shore]

If the Assembly scouts survived only because of the orange light… they’re like the regrowth that happens after a massive forest fire

[white junco]

question for y’all which of the enchantment lights correspond to the prophecy lights i can’t find that info online

[timid lintel]

[keen shore]

Orange = fire (found in forest, given to wasteland)
Cyan = air (found in between isle and prairie, given to valley)
Blue = water (found in valley, given to forest)
Green = earth (found in prairie, given to prairie)

@white junco

[frigid tinsel]

I think about the mural near the entrance of the Cave of Prophecies that shows orange light creating fires in the Forest. of course, a lot of think forest fires are bad, and they are devastating, but they're actually good for forest ecosystems. the fires burn huge old growth trees, converting them into nutrient-rich ash on the ground for new and fledgling plants to grow who otherwise wouldn't survive in the shadow of the old growth dominion.

granted constant forest fires aren't good because nothing would survive long, I can't say if the presence of orange light in Forest caused peternatural fires that would be unbalanced. yet humans have seen all fires as bad. for a while humans have put forth so many efforts to prevent and prematurely end forest fires, creating an unbalanced ecosystem with limited new growth and a lot of tender for larger and angrier forest fires.

moving the blue light to Forest, thus creating the rain in Forest, would act as such of a preventative. does it balance out the orange light's fires or is it entirely suppressive, preventing fires at all? I think it was a total preventative because all the trees we see in Forest resemble old growth trees. there are few new growth trees.

[rigid mural]

I need to go but
Earth - scarecrow
Water - alchemist
Fire - playfight
Air - crab walk

[keen shore]

WAIT AND ASSEMBLY SYMBOL IS A CAMPFIRE EVEN THOUH WE BARELY SEE THEM WITH CAMPFIRES BECAUSE OF THE ORGNE LIGHT

[white junco]

Oh it is?? I thought it was a manta

[rigid mural]

I thought it was a scout lys flower tbh

[keen shore]

It’s both I believe. Hence the lines underneath which are logs

[rigid mural]

Goodnight folks.

[white junco]

explains why adventurer has the first recharge prop… fire

[compact shale]

Me reading the Assembly lore: :3 mmemrrmmmghmmmmmmm

[unborn narwhal]

Gn vela

[timid lintel]

F

[compact shale]

did somoeone die

[white junco]

will be bouncing as well, gn lore chat

[keen shore]

me too as well gn lore chat

[timid lintel]

no

[unborn narwhal]

No vela went to bed

[compact shale]

mmkay got it

[white junco]

back because I had a brain moment. Ok so, the interpretation of the prophecy statues and their symmetry or lack thereof. It reflects the elders that each was given to
For Teth, patience
for Ayin, resilience
for Sahmekh, balance
for Tsadi, courage
but 3 of the four crack. Teth grows impatient. Ayins resilience begins to fail. The twins start to grow unbalanced.
But Tsadi? Tsadi still has his courage.
I am too tired to analyze all of the trials in the context of the elders but! Fire trial is a pitch black void. Tsadi is still courageous, but he’s lost his way in the dark

[harsh pecan]

Oh my god this is really smart

[atomic grove]

This makes a lot of sense. It does make me wonder about the saplings in each realm, though. Also, does the bloom tree disappear after the event or does it just go dormant?

[spark cairn]

Dunno if this was said already but it's a fleur-de-lis. It's the irl scout (if we wanna get into details, Google says boy scouts) symbol

[clear glacier]

Hello lore chat! Anything new?

[tranquil harbor]

dancer dropped

[compact shale]

They are *chef's kiss

[clear glacier]

Eden Lite

[thin dirge]

I had a theory that GW Elder actually did lost his courage, this was when they choose to retreat or surrender by the end of the GW War.

Since everyone else seemed to have lost their core values (Forest - Patience, Prairie - Resilience, Valley - Balance), perhaps GW Elder was no different and lost his courage at some point. But the cutscene just doesnt really depict it due to the situation.

(That may be why they chose to remove the "GW Elder sacrifice" concept, as it depicts the opposite of the main theme about Elders forgetting their core values)

GW Elder, however, may have been the very last Elder who betrayed their own core value

Prairie, may have been the first, as they suddenly lost their purpose due to advancing technology, moving on to using dark stone tech

Then Forest Elder followed due to tech growth, making them greedy for more, and thus abandoning their core value of patience

The prosperity of the Kingdom might've gotten into the heads of the Twins, causing the two becoming more competitive against each other, making them lose balance and cooperation with each other

Then GW Elder, the last one, loses their own core value when in the end at the war, GW Elder gives up and retreats/surrender

[harsh pecan]

wow 👏

[livid pelican]

The only prophet structure that remained symmetrical would reveal that GW Elder stayed strong enough with his core values that a legacy was formed.

[harsh pecan]

yess

[heavy otter]

Ok someone sum up the story in a nutshell

Pls

[compact shale]

That will take a lot. Which part would you like first?

[heavy otter]

Oh boi idk any part

[livid pelican]

Main lore?

[heavy otter]

Ye

[compact shale]

So basically the ancestors discovered this land and started building a civilization in it. At first, they worshipped the flame and Megabird, and they treated light creatures well.

[livid pelican]

Then 7 elders ruled 7 areas. (idk their names so listing them would be nice)

[compact shale]

Officially they're just "Elder of the (Realm)" but these were the names in that one concept

Isle Elder – Daleth
Prairie Elder – Ayin
Forest Elder – Teth
Valley Elder(s) – Samekh (they share a name)
Wasteland Elder – Tsadi
Vault Elder – Lamed

Oh, look, Raider's here. They can elucidate a lot better than I can, so I'll let them take over.

[nimble ingot]

Thanks, the names were the placeholder that are in Hebrew. While they are no longer canon, folks can still use them.

The King is Resh, and the Prince is Alef.

The History of Sky in a nutshell, based on the Dawn murals, is about a civilisation rising and falling, the stages of life and (indirectly) the days of a week going in a cycle of life, death and rebirth.

Before the stars fell, the Light was united and the ancestors lived in harmony. The kingdoms thrived, but something went wrong. Depending on one's interpretation, either the elders or the ancestors did not listen and chao ensued. A storm started to brew, Darkness started to spread and the stars fell.
After a long time passed, is the arrival of the winged travellers, skykids. The mission of the skykids seemed to have changed a bit when compared to Light Awaits (in theory. I can elaborate if need be), though the running theory is the skykids are to seek out the spirits and bring them home (as in help them ascend to Orbit). Since every season brings new spirits to save, the mission of the skykid is ongoing.

[heavy otter]

Interesting, thanks!

[boreal nebula]

Nobody is right with the little we know about canon. Lore here is just open to interpretarions and discussions and theories of everyone

I like to think it was a war of Ancestors against dark creatures and the spreading of Darkness (much like when we open the gate and krills approches). For example Tsadi Wasteland Elder weapons: as far as I know in the spear and shield are araldic symbols of defence

[timid lintel]

Is anyone here? I'm so bored

[nimble ingot]

still about. Whatcha need?

[timid lintel]

Uh, I don't know.

Anyway, it is very boring.

[nimble ingot]

Welp, I am no fairy godmother.
So, happy back reading.

[timid lintel]

okay

Excuse me, is there anyone else?

[livid pelican]

So... Slouching soldier is mentally unstable, yeah?

[floral grove]

Coincidentally, all of the names are found in the Phoenician alphabet too. Most are spelt the same way except for Aleph, Lamedh and Samedh

Well, probably not a coincidence since the Hebrew script is a descendant of the Phoenician alphabet

[unborn narwhal]

Umm hi lore chat!

[nimble ingot]

Following the book the spirit is based on as a character. The slouching soldier is drinking because he is ashamed of drinking.
While the book, The Little Prince, shows the character is an alcoholic, the spirit in Sky is drinking dark water. Which is surely not good for him if it damages skykids.

Unstable is debatable. The game is open to interpretation after all.
But certainly not in a healthy state.

[compact shale]

Slouch's story is actually a lot darker if you remove the "dark water = alcohol" allegory and just view it based on how it affects us

[nimble ingot]

I saw.
I am not sure if this was perhaps the preference of the devs that gave the names. Or the names came from a specific kind of Hebrew alphabet.

[sharp lichen]

There’s me! Normally it’s not this inactive

[nimble ingot]

They said that they were bored, Baudshaw.
You are right though, not a lot of active users at this time.

[hushed steeple]

Hewwo!

[livid pelican]

Hi! I'm gonna go do dailies now

[hushed steeple]

Have fun ^^
Lull time at college so I'm listening to music and closing my eyes for a bit

[nimble ingot]

Having some sneep snorp. lol.

[unreal shuttle]

You are right with all you said except that we are supposed to give the light to the elders in every realm but in eden we fail cuz we die right before we can give some light to the big orb at the end, this orb is the “elder” at the eden, the king, since we fail in our unique purpose who is save this king for the dark we rebirth again and again till the day we make it, that’s what I think

[hushed steeple]

Not that I can because desks are uncomfortable
Also more classmates just came in and there is noise
So
I need pats

[compact shale]

The Eden Elder can't be saved. Some of us think that's because we ARE fragments of the Eden elder.

[hushed steeple]

What if WL are the fragments of the King, shattered and fallen?

[unreal shuttle]

Yeah I think that too, but instead of fragments I think we are like machines made by the dawn elder with the purpose of save the king but that’s a good theory too

[compact shale]

The "Eden elder can't be saved" was a dev statement though idk where it came from

[sharp lichen]

I’d think that all Elders probably helped in creating the Skykids

[nimble ingot]

Agreed and I like your thinking.

[nimble ingot]

It is clear that the goal in the final area of Eden to to give Light to as many statues as you can before dying.

[had to cut out a big chunk of rambling about WL and the challenge rating in the area]

There comes a point where a skykid with enough WL can clear the area. Once they reach that point is where a skykid would start to wonder what else can be done. The crystal is blocked off by wind walls, and the same goes to either side of the area. While I presume it is meant to funnel players towards the crystal and the statues, it also discourages a key part of the game, Exploration.

I would love it if skykid are able to actually reach the walls and the sides of the ruins and be blown backwards into the chaos.
During Light Awaits, Eden did undergo some changes. In the past, while skykid can die, there was once a door where skykid can get to and get to move on to the next area of the game. There was no limbo state during this time, that I can tell. While it probably could be a placeholder until the realm was finalised. I can imagine being able to reach the door (the crystal at this time) would be a satisfying goal.
Because knowing that once the statues are covered, and the spirits supposedly pass on (I dont even know who they reach Orbit if we dont see them in Eden), being forced to just lose all of the remaining wl and having no where to go without being blown back by wind walls can hurt the quality of life in that part of the game.

It is a bit ironic how a skykid can be prideful with having more WL, up to where it becomes redundant to gain more beyond a certain point.
12 wedges would become a badge of honour, and a burden at the same time.

[wheat cypress]

Absolutely Raider, not being able to reach the diamond has always been a frustrating thing for me... But I think it is meant to be kept distant and mysterious like that, as much as it may hurt 🥲

[timid lintel]

Looks like you guys had a heated talk.

[white junco]

It really is frustrating, especially since tgc updated Eden so that you lose wl faster when you have more. Like I have about 179 right now and I can no longer reach the last statue. I do wish we could get closer to the diamond, I’ve always had trouble actually seeing it as a diamond but I’ve never been able to get a closer look

[timid lintel]

👂🏻

[white junco]

I used to have this really deep emotional response to Eden but now it’s just. Frustration. because I get knocked down every 10 seconds and lose like 8 wl

[compact shale]

When you're losing your mind
Lemme give you a thought
You won't reach that diamond no matter what

[white junco]

yeah but it’s about the vibe. Eden hits hardest when it tricks you into thinking you could make it

I think my perspective on Eden is influenced a lot by the fact that I played through the game for the first time completely alone with no idea of what was happening. I genuinely thought we could get through Eden. And man eden is effective

[compact shale]

Maybe in Sky's final season we'll see what a successful Eden looks like

[lime sierra]

I remember when eden made me actually shiver that's how scary it is

[white junco]

Eden is so so effective at making things feel hopeless, at making you think you have a chance until you reach the part where there’s no shelter from the rocks. Eden forces you to give up

[native shoal]

First time I went through Eden I didn’t even reach that part

[white junco]

only reason I got there was because I was being super careful and avoiding the rocks

[lime sierra]

What is the diamond anyways? Is it made of darkstone or is it corrupted light or something

[compact shale]

Most think it's the former

[native shoal]

I just saw it as mushy looking evil diamond thing so

[white junco]

does anyone have an image of the diamond where it actually looks like a diamond. Bc when I first played through I thought it was an opening in the storm that I had to reach. Still looks like that to me

[nimble ingot]

At around 120 one can reasonably be able to do all the statues.
The update is to discourage recklessness with tanking hits early on.

[white junco]

what if i’m bad at sky and can’t tell when the rocks are gonna hit me

[nimble ingot]

Eh....
After going there enough time, one can get a hold of the pattern.
The rocks are in waves, and there is usually a exploding sound to telegraph the incoming hit.
Like a heart beat of darkness, it is a dance with death.

[white junco]

I try to time the waves but somehow I like, guess wrong? I’m not sure, and I don’t think i’m gonna figure it out at this point

[abstract goblet]

It helps to look up at the sky. If you start seeing small debris heading your way, that means bigger rocks will come soon. And rock waves come starting on the left (if you’re facing where the rocks fly in from), so if you see rocks flying on your left side, the place you’re standing is the next to be hit

[white junco]

Thank you, I will try to get good next time I go to Eden. I suppose it’s mostly my own fault for getting used to charging through Eden

[native shoal]

I managed to get almost every statue with only 95? Or so wl so it’s certainly possible, light every statue you can

And I mean the ones that make places where you can recharge

[white junco]

I should. actually look at one of those eden maps so I don’t forget which statues I already gave light to

[nimble ingot]

That is now interesting, I used to do that as well in the early days, and would also find myself horribly out of sync and out of light.

It is hard to put into words, but after a while of going there on a weekly basis, one can eventually learn how to navigate Eden with keeping in time with the rhythm.

It really feels like a part of the game where players have to face and take from the experience in their own way. A moment where it is either fly or die trying.

[native shoal]

It really helped once I turned sound on not gonna lie

[nimble ingot]

That is impressive.
I usually say 120 to account for the mistakes.
100 would also suffice, but the lower the amount, the more challenging it becomes.

[native shoal]

I was VERY cautious and I probably missed a few, I got 14 whole ascended candles though so I’m not sure

[rigid mural]

I usually get all statues with a start of 120+ wl

[white junco]

I think the biggest issue I run into is backtracking because I can’t remember where I’ve already been. I’ll try to remember to write stuff down next time

[rigid mural]

Lost stream. I wish a community dev could at least give us a list of what they remember was in there just so we don't end up having to take someone else's word for it.

[rigid mural]

I use the light statues, lighting them up when I reach them then doing the wl statues. So I can tell from afar where I went.

[nimble ingot]

There are 63 statues in Eden.
The problem with determining what would be the minimum amount of WL, is the amount depends on a player's skills at avoiding damage, if they have friends to help boost, spells to recharge (though I dont see a major difference), or other factors such as stumbling causing skykids to fall down and lose winged light.

Perhaps the minimum could be rounded down to 90, though that would mean the skykid in question does their very best to last as long as humanly possible.

[white junco]

I’ve tried that, doesn’t work for me, I’ll just cross off statues on one of those eden maps or something so i can be sure

[native shoal]

I usually say you need 100 to do it but I managed with less somehow

[nimble ingot]

Having a map and learning a path may help.
That or committing the locations of the statues to memory while learning how to move about the area swiftly and without getting hit.

[rigid mural]

I could take you next time, I need ascended candles for the first time in a while anyway.

[white junco]

Depends on availability, but that might be fun. I just don’t want to hit 2 years at the end of May and still suck at Eden

[rigid mural]

It's a game, there's nothing wrong even if you're a gratitude vet that suck at flying.

[rigid mural]

Didn't click we had 7 realms like we got 7 days in a week. Interesting.

[native shoal]

And using that model you would reach Eden every Sunday aka reset

Aka when there’s fresh statues

Probably just a coincidence but

[wheat cypress]

Man the first 8 times I went to eden I went with other people, and every time my fingers would twitch, my face would get hot and my heart would pound out my chest, it was the scariest thing every time, even if I had people with me. It was like replaying the most painful scene of a movie over and over again, but I got thru because I knew that what was on the other side was the best and most beautiful compensation I could ever have uwu

[frozen pier]

There’s a map of Eden…? AND SAME ALANI DJEJDJFJSN eden is too pretty to not go toooooo granted I make friends drag me there bc I suck at that LOL

[wheat cypress]

Makes u feel like somewhat of a hero 🥺

[compact shale]

Maybe for Sky's final season we'll see what it looks like for us to drive the darkness out

[frozen pier]

I’ve always been interested in a season in eden. Like that last quest for the lp season? SOOO pretty

[native shoal]

I only go when I’m completely out of ascended candles, aka every few months

[wheat cypress]

I can't even begin to imagine how sacred and beautiful the eye of eden must have been before the storm, a metropolis, a safe haven, full of temples and markets and friendly spirits

[frozen pier]

Well we’re gonna need to go once the new season comes and we gotta pay 10 ascended candles for every friendship tree

[compact shale]

I guess that's how you share pain with your friends

[frozen pier]

I have wayyy too many friends I wanna unlock the whole friendship tree with so I’ll be making ppl dragging me to eden every week now hahaha

[compact shale]

Royalty-free Eden last words for your skykids!

ah, so... this is where you are now. (gives light to statue of their friend)
Go in peace now, ok? Everything's alright... I'm with you now.

WHAT?! OUT OF LIGHT?! W-WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW?! ARE THE REST OF YOU OK?! I JUST- (*dies)

I can't protect you any longer. We skykids... have to die. It'll be hard at first, but you get used to it.

Guys... where is everyone?! HELLO?!

Wow... we actually managed to stick together this time... we'll be here until the end, right? (you and your friend, both knocked down with barely anything left, tightly squeeze each other's hand)

This isn't right! THIS ISN'T RIGHT! WHERE DID I GO WRONG?! WHY ISN'T ANYTHING CHANGING?!

[nimble ingot]

The fact that Eden is gated off, the cycle is halted or throttled. And since it is separated, the 7 days theme is broken.
Due to university work, I am not able to give the theory proper attention.

What I would like to do though is share the corner stones for others to think about, let others also look for the answers while I do the same.

For instance, for those who like a short story, have a look at a nursery rhyme about Solomon Grundy.
Solomon Grundy,
Born on a Monday,
Christened on Tuesday,
Married on Wednesday,
Took ill on Thursday,
Grew worse on Friday,
Died on Saturday,
Buried on Sunday,
That was the end,
Of Solomon Grundy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Grundy_(nursery_rhyme)

[native shoal]

That feeling when you honk in Eden to see where your friend is but they don’t reply and then you see a blue spark following you

[lofty void]

these read like LOR assistant librarian battle dialogue /hj

[native shoal]

Of course I’ve never had that happen with me unless I’m guiding a moth through their first eden

[compact shale]

I wish I knew what that meant

[livid crypt]

I came looking for lore theories on the bloom gang... why are they like 🌳

[queen forum]

I believe the spirit tree is harder to materialize in the world than a normal spirit, so the Bloom Gang has to continuously use their powers to keep it there so it doesn’t disappear into nothing. And that emote is just showing how they’re doing it.

[soft timber]

spirit tree goes brrrrrrr

[livid crypt]

hmmmm... since the tree actually blossoms light that we can collect, I had the passing thought that was like giving fertilizer to the tree to make it blossom

[hushed steeple]

Bloom tree is high maintenance and needs 24×7 care
is like
Good vibes everywhere! (Throws flowers around)

[nimble ingot]

6 spirits blessing a tree seems like the best possible fertiliser candles can buy. 🕯️ 🌸

[nimble ingot]

Ask Vela, they are the go to Lightseeker enthusiast.

[rigid mural]

[rigid mural]

Well we know the lightseekers might be associated with renewal; in sky, light (which they seek...) seems to go around in cycles as light creatures and us go through the realms and Eden, to be reborn and fall back down in the kingdom.
The days of bloom also roughly coincide with the spring equinox (celebrated for the lengthening of days and the reappearance of greenery) while being inspired by japanese cherry blossom celebrations.

It's possible the lightseekers gathered light that was starting to get rarer to breathe life back into the sick (bottom left), or stimulate growth (which could be linked to transcendence themes). Hence why they are using beam attacks on the giant tree and seem to gather light from the saplings after hugging them. Harbingers of spring and renewal ?

Spring is also a notably rainy season, which kinda fits the theme of forest spirits that are equipped against this kind of weather...

Maybe they kinda embody the saying that you can't have a rainbow without some rain...

[frigid tinsel]

Been thinking about those ragged treetops. While a fire could make sense, the constant rain acts a fire suppressive. It could’ve stopped a fire from going on a rampage, but really it should’ve stopped a fire of that magnitude.

What if they weren’t burned but broken? Right next to them, down below, are bones — a light creature who died an unnatural death, a big one at that. What if it was ill or injured thus flying erratically or already falling, crashing into and breaking those trees during its plummet. It finally crashed through the roof of the structure we see those bones in now and died.

[hushed steeple]

Like the whales seen in the animation trailer?

In it we also saw a route crossing trough the forest which seemed to be infested with crabs

Maybe the reason the trees haven’t healed yet since the crabs prob feasted on the carcass of the creature leading to over population causing the forest to be rendered sterile since they overconsumed the light of life energy

[native shoal]

Fun fact until I learned that isle used to be green I thought the light was so strong there that it made isle into a desert, like how too much sun can kill a plant

[hushed steeple]

I remember reading in a Lore doc that Forest was cleared to make way for the temple/technology?
If that's the case, then Forest is actually a deforested area
Hence the stumps

Or I probably misread the situation and you were talking about something else entirely

[frigid tinsel]

No I mean these ragged treetops: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
If they were cut by logging, they would be flat stumps, some of which we see throughout the realm.

[nimble ingot]

There is the apologetic lumberjack's memory and a few fallen logs.
Though you have a point that for logging to have taken place, we would need to see a place where axes are kept, logs are stacked away and more stumps.
Most loggers would logically cut down a tree from the ground, cutting down a tree from a higher spot would be wasteful with the dying stump and the fewer wood collect. With the exception being the tree was taken in sections, of course.

[white junco]

The stump of the apologetic lumberjack’s tree is also jagged, though in their memory itself the bottom of the tree looks to be flat.
It also bothers me that the tree is still there. Were they cutting it down for a reason besides the wood, or did something interrupt them after the events we see?

[rigid mural]

Lumberjack :(

[keen shore]

This Is possible, given the canth bones in the temple. It does strike me as a bit weird, though, that none of the fallen trunks are left over, but they could have been used for other things.

Alternatively, the rain in forest starts when we enter the boat loading area, implying it isn’t constant. There’s a whole cutscene for it. Something else that struck me as weird is that, even fhough takes place in forest, they don’t have any rain gear that I can remember off the top of my head — no umbrellas, no rain boots or wide hats like the Lightseekers, and their treehouse even has an open top. Maybe it wasn’t raining around their time, and the fire raged out of control

[white junco]

maybe some of the fallen trunks were used to make the tunnels we see dismayed hunter move through?

[keen shore]

OH. WHAT THATS SO SMART J CONOKETELY FORGOT ANOUF THOSE

[lyric isle]

ok but that poor person with the pouch is light-miner’s coworker

nearly got crushed by a tree but then got crushed by rocks,,

[keen shore]

Whale whisperer had a tough life. The creature whose calls they imitated also got killed probably by dismayed hunter.

At least the prospector has a crush on them

[frigid tinsel]

those jagged tops always came to me as petrified light blooms. light blooms grew over the stump but were petrified later, perhaps by the Eden cataclysm

[keen shore]

I agree, but i think they mean the lumpy bits on top instead of the discs to the sides

[keen shore]

Megabird hates bald people part 83

[keen shore]

This makes sense!! Especially considering that the other time we see the emote being used is in vault, where a spirit is infusing light into a darkstone/memory lantern in order to get it to float. It makes sense that it would have a similar use here.

Although, it implies that those other trees’s energy/life is getting sapped to feed the main one. I have to wonder why they won’t let those other trees grow. Maybe in places like prairie where it’s right on top of the social space, the roots would mess it up too much, and everywhere else it’s a matter of having the wrong climate, so the Lightseekers don’t think it’d survive anyways? It also mighr just be them taking excess energy and not outright killing them

[queen forum]

Megabird getting a bit too proud of its feathers.

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the saplings just grow really slowly at their life stage?

[rigid mural]

You're not exactly sapping an apple tree if its energy when harvesting its fruits tbh !

[pastel brook]

who needs mods, skybot to the rescue!

[pastel brook]

How do you do, fellow Krills Sky kids?

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps they're doing something akin to pruning – maybe the saplings are growing so well, a bit too well, and much alike to trimming a plant of its branches so it isn't top heavy, the lightseekers are taking enough of the trees' light so it doesn't overwhelm itself. these are saplings, babies, not mature.

or as Vela said, they're harvesting light from it, the light they're cultivating the fruit of the crop.

I've been leaning that they're grafting from the tree, taking bits of it or its genetic material to plant elsewhere so more saplings can grow.

[keen shore]

what if they’re doing the same thing to us and that’s why we’re not growing into skyadults

[keen shore]

Imagining them having a chat with us while we’re at the saplings, trying to convince us not to give the trees our candle in order to restore their light. We just sit there like what?? you just stole its light and i can’t give them any back? not understanding that we will Burn down the tree

[queen forum]

And there’s no way for us to leave that in the wild since it’s not like any other tree we’ve come across has caught fire.

[keen shore]

just imagining the lightsekeers sitting with us and teaching us how to take care of trees is melting my heart

[rigid mural]

just imagining the lightsekeers sitting with us

[keen shore]

I wonder if sky plants work like normal plants (need sunlight and water, burn down) or more like light creatures (need light, don’t need water, fire makes them stronger) because I can imagine a skykid being extremely confused on the disconnect between them and light creatures if the first one is true

[frigid tinsel]

Sky biology hurts my brain

[keen shore]

Mood. I try not to think about it too hard, because I don’t think giving creatures/plants in the world functional and consistent biology was considered a lot during their creation, but now what I mentioned above about plants is bothering me. Now that I think about it, the second option would make more sense bc of how lush prairies islands are even on the ones that don’t have water, but it’s still weird to think about

[frigid tinsel]

If they’re mostly light, makes sense for them to thrive in sunlight

[keen shore]

Right, the water aspect is just the weird one. If plants just need light to grow in Sky, then why does isle still Look like that

[nimble ingot]

While the game does not show it, perhaps the place is left infertile, or the seeds for the grass died off?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe it’s temperature related? A sudden shift in temperature can destroy plantlife

[nimble ingot]

Sky climate change
It oddly enough ties in well with the upcoming days of Nature.

[sharp lichen]

If darkness is correlated with heat and fire, it could work. Also, there used to be factories in GW. I’m not sure if there’s an ozone layer though

[nimble ingot]

Would we even be able to tell while in Orbit?
Or would that be looking too hard at the lore?

[sharp lichen]

We would need to bring back SCIENCE CHAT and I doubt any of us would want to do that. Unless…?

[rigid mural]

There was a science chat ...?

[queen pike]

speaking of light, what if we could utilize the lights to terraform hard-hit places like wasteland? we probably can't because the spirits can't seem to see or hear us

[frigid tinsel]

the spirits do notice us. we can't interact with their spirit memories cos they're memories, the past. besides, i don't see how that'd stop any terraforming efforts.

[native shoal]

Sky has quite a bit of atmosphere so I think there is an ozone layer?

Like at the end of Eden when you’re going up the blue doesn’t fade for a while

There’s plantlife so there’s probably oxygen

[white junco]

Oxygen is also essential for fire! So it's probably there

[hushed steeple]

J'adore ce jeux 🤩

[sharp lichen]

No, but lorechat does pretend to be sciencechat sometimes

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes science is lore. it doesn't have to involve math neither

[nimble ingot]

There was an attempt when it came to calculating gravity, elder heights, plant life, tree health, stars, skykid real life heights and krill speeds.

[rigid mural]

You're giving me a headache /j

[keen shore]

Honestly science chat might not apply too much to lore, beyond basic concepts like how stars work. We don’t know a lot of the variables to calculate stuff like gravity, or even how much those equations and concepts were considered in constructing the world

[nimble ingot]

oh, and jokes about asking MatPat to check out the game.

[keen shore]

The possibility of matpat getting into Sky lore fills me with equal measures of fear and rage

[tranquil harbor]

When you deal with magical fantasy, science can get thrown out the window at times

[rigid mural]

if matpat touches sky, i will go beast mode

[tranquil harbor]

What's wrong with matpat (I literally don't know who they are, beyond youtuber)

[keen shore]

Yes.

[frigid tinsel]

being a Youtuber isn't inherently bad. it's what the Youtuber does, like MatPat

[rigid mural]

Short answer: youtuber
Long answer: his videos are made to make clicks, he will probably go for the most clickbaity theory and get us a surge of people that watched him thinking he's right

[keen shore]

I don’t care too much about him. The part I am afraid of is his fans flooding lorechat

[frigid tinsel]

basically saying MatPat's name in this channel will spawn

[nimble ingot]

I can just imagine how far he and the team would milk it.

Skykids with a dark side (with a skid with dying kids and soul powers like in fnaf)
The King being in the game.
Megabird was trying to destroy all life
What are spirits made of
The spirits are masterminds with a menacing plot
The Sky is falling.
Krill Biology
Crabs are spying robots
How does flying stone boats work

And so on, and so forth.

[keen shore]

If matpat starts getting into Sky lore, can we all team up to make a fake theory to see if he steals it?

[tranquil harbor]

But seriously, if lorechat got flooded with people who just make the edgiest theories possible I'd die inside

[frigid tinsel]

you're already running with the Season of the Little Prince never happened, straight up didn't exist

[keen shore]

I feel like matpat would milk the king reincarnation theory and kill all my love for it

[rigid mural]

Ngl we already got edgy theories such as megabird being a character like the christian god but like, the kind where it's actually evil

[frigid tinsel]

the recent constellation update does not help

[nimble ingot]

As long as he does give credit, and not just claim ideas as his own.
Posting wacky thoeries and doing their own research would be stellar. But casually posting a theory and not giving a hint where the exact same theory originated would invoke the wrath of the lorechat.

[rigid mural]

What power do we even have outside our sphere tho

[keen shore]

Oh god… matpat milking my darkness plants = dead people theory… I would die actually. Due to the sheer edginess of it I can see it happening

[nimble ingot]

All I know is, it would be unwise to test it.

[rigid mural]

We could make our own channel to outspeed him.

[frigid tinsel]

I've seen Skycord lorechat theories circulate on Skyblr /shrug

[keen shore]

Speedrun to get the valley eldars fic in a matpat video let’s go

[rigid mural]

not skyblr

[keen shore]

which ones I am curious. I am especially curious if any of mine made it out of the lorechat pit

[frigid tinsel]

"the Valley Elders are married."
"the Valley Elders were married, now they're divorced."
"they used to be the same person but they split."
"that's the same thing as getting married and divorced."

[tranquil harbor]

looool, you saw that or you're kidding?

[nimble ingot]

Most of these sound like fanfics.

[tranquil harbor]

I thought the Valley Elders were married at first, but I've only admitted it here

[keen shore]

Today I am here with another DARK THEORY about the elders buying and selling ancestors. Have you ever wondered who does all their dirty work? How all that darkstone gets made? I found a piece of writing in the game that blows the lid on these practices wide open,

[rigid mural]

Salem.

[tranquil harbor]

You're gonna jinx it

[nimble ingot]

uhhhh?

[keen shore]

what

[rigid mural]

Salem.

[nimble ingot]

... there is a name for that, but I am too afraid to dare say it.

[tranquil harbor]

You think the censor bot would get you?

[frigid tinsel]

I think I'm missing something

[keen shore]

Plan to disguise sold to valley eldar fic as something dark to make matpat cover it

[rigid mural]

What gets me is that at least one dev is aware of that fic

[tranquil harbor]

and apparently had a giggle because we did not get scolded

[keen shore]

Every time I remember that fun fact I have to sit down for a bit and recover

[frigid tinsel]

I showed it to my friend and they want to do a dramatic reading of it

[tranquil harbor]

At the end of the day the devs are people, so I'm not surprised they can be amused by the same things that amuse us

[keen shore]

All of you are lying if you’re saying you don’t want matpat to read the valley eldars fic in a video while using a dark and mysterious tone

[rigid mural]

oh im not saying they aren't like us, im just losing it because it's the moment salem and i are clowning that we get seen

[tranquil harbor]

Ash said they lurk here sometimes, so it's more likely the moment your clowning is the thing most worth commenting on

[keen shore]

Imagine crab whisper comes as a ts and one of the hints is “they speak in a British accent”

[white junco]

ash, master of jumpscares

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder sometimes if the devs lurking here turn to each other and are just "they're right"

[tranquil harbor]

And b4 they randomly pop in like we've summoned them

Alasdair, if they do, they're probably like

[white junco]

devs watching us notice something relevant and then go in the wrong direction

[rigid mural]

hey salem i got a cask of amontillado, how about we share some and discuss over it ?

[keen shore]

is the cask full of cheese and coffee

[rigid mural]

it's right over there, just follow me to the sanctuary islands !

[frigid tinsel]

getting close to geyser time, I see

[tranquil harbor]

-chanting of Violence Pit ensues-

[keen shore]

You could have told me there was a sanctuary mural I hadn’t seen before and it would be much more effective

[rigid mural]

(it's a regular geyser)

[keen shore]

NOOOOOOOPPOOOOOOPOOOOOOOOOO vela kill me

[raw crypt]

KILLT

[keen shore]

I can’t believe this “family friendly” server allows OUTRIGHT MURDER within it

[tranquil harbor]

Deal with it

[rigid mural]

sorry but this is the funniest single thing in sanctuary, i can and will launch you a hundred feet in the air

[frigid tinsel]

The yeeting geyser is one of my favorite parts of Sanxtuary

[keen shore]

sad music playing at my Funeral

[tranquil harbor]

Kids get so caught up in the violence pit they forget the yeeting geysers

[rigid mural]

tbh im not really a fan of the violence pit, reminds me of middle schoolers too much

[frigid tinsel]

Getting thrown hundreds of feet into the air doesn’t hurt, it’s just inconvienent

[frigid tinsel]

They are kids but fair

[tranquil harbor]

Not me, flying into a geyser during my cr and going nyoom right into the sky

@rigid mural 'Violence Pit' is good for a giggle, but lore wise, I like the idea that the kids are getting paid for helping clean up the geyser/beach

[frigid tinsel]

My headcanonny theory is that skykids only feel pain when losing light or afflicted by darkness, so the polluted geyser is a “violence pit” cos the dark water is frigid cold with darkness. Skids do go there to clean it up. But my one character who’s an absolute jerk gets their just-deserves there.

[keen shore]

d ied

[frigid tinsel]

What did you expect?

[raw crypt]

F

[keen shore]

security camera footage

[rigid mural]

I don't wanna spam more than comedically necessary, but I can confirm crimes have been committed.

[tranquil harbor]

Alright, looks like we've had our fun, anyone got lore theories?

[rigid mural]

rallying thrillseeker is a madman for going into these on the regular, do you think these were attractions to tourists ?

Like Sanctuary is a bit muddy on the canon to meta scale, but it is really funny to imagine that it was pretty touristic.
Though to be honest, tourists do go to national parks.

[keen shore]

Hot air balloon directly on top of geyser

[white junco]

SALEM YOUR BRAIN

that would be very not safe but!!!

[rigid mural]

i doubt what rally is doing is OSHA compliant tbh

[frigid tinsel]

I see Sanctuary as a conservatory of sorts, a protected environment caring for the marine creatures where ancestors and light creatures could interact

[tranquil harbor]

I really don't like that Sanctuary is dubiously canon. What's wrong with having an animal Sanctuary? People dismissing Sanctuary because sunglasses exist in a post apocolyptic setting actually really annoys me.

[keen shore]

Rallying thrillseeker has valley spirit brain, they do not care about safety

[rigid mural]

oh don't get me wrong, the only noncanon thing in sanct imo is the passive crabs
chill sunbather is powerful

[tranquil harbor]

What's up with those crabs? Like it's literally just two specific crabs in this one specific spot.

[rigid mural]

I see them as easter eggs.

[frigid tinsel]

maybe the direct sunlight burned away the darkness that made them rabid? not as effective as our flames but feasible.

[keen shore]

they p. They prac

[tranquil harbor]

They got themselves a nice crab tan and calmed down

[white junco]

no OSHA or FAA in sky (that we know of)

[rigid mural]

honestly, the lack of OSHA and FAA probably was a reason Eden is like this now.

[keen shore]

Interesting fun fact about sanctuary is that the sanctuary guide uses cyan light to repair the bells. I have a video of it somewhere

[tranquil harbor]

gimme gimme (what does cyan light do again?)

[frigid tinsel]

cyan light deals with air and wind

[keen shore]

[#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[rigid mural]

WASNT CYAN THE ISLE LIGHT THAT RESTORED THE WIND IN THE ARK
that would be really interesting, maybe we can link these bells with the wind paths since both are pretty air-themed ?

[tranquil harbor]

what is wrong with your vids today? I keep getting glitchy, green flashing messes I thought the security cam footage was like that on purpose as a joke

[keen shore]

Since I’m already in sanctuary I will check to see if the other memories have different colored lights, jsut in case

[frigid tinsel]

Sanctuary came out before Prophecy, right? so colored lights should've been in the devs' minds. granted, could've been different groups of devs working on different seasons who might not have been talking to each other about consistency.

I only bring this up because I'm curious if there is a reason why Sanctuary guide uses cyan light to restore the bells or if the devs thought "oh pretty color, lets use that." granted, it's curious that Sanctuary guide uses light to restore the bells at all

[rigid mural]

Yui did remark that they thought Abyss would be a good contrast to Flight, so I feel like they at least try to fit it with the previous season !

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, the bells are already in the tower thingy. The skids are going and getting blue memory bells from broken stuff. Maybe, since Sanctuary Guide doesn't have access to a bell repair person like Chimesmith, they're using magic?

[clever iris]

What is OSHA and FAA?

[white junco]

Occupational Safety and Health Administration and Federal Aviation Administration

[tranquil harbor]

^ They're irl organizations, not a game thing

[clever iris]

Thank you

[keen shore]

Update: only cyan light is used in the memories. Also, if sanctuary Is a light creature sanctuary, sanct and flight guides are totally friends… (I wonder if sanc guide was a prairie elder apprentice too)

WAIT IDEA. what if the reason the wind paths have grass covering them is because the flight guide is a green light user (green light = nature/earth) and learned how to use it from prairie elder? Which is why they needed our help with the bells, because they didn’t know how to use cyan light and do it themselves?

The last thing I will add is that the little wiggle dance spirits do in order to use the lights make me incredibly happy

[tranquil harbor]

Prairie Elder got green light in prophecy?

[rigid mural]

I have a theory the flight islands were originally sanctuary islands ! Both look really similar, especially with the presence of holes/tunnels !

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if the wind paths are natural or if they were made with magic?

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps the Flight crew worked in conjunction with the Sanctuary team (not the Sanctuary spirits, they don't seem like workers)

[white junco]

maybe there's cyan light in the bells themselves? Like imbued into them so they have special properties, and retrieving the memories of the bells that are made of cyan light is what lets them fix the actual bells

[frigid tinsel]

note that the bells were broken and discarded around the Sanctuary Islands. the quests were retrieving them

[tranquil harbor]

There were broken bells, but there were still bells in the tower too, just dull and ugly lookin'. The broken bells we 'retrieved' are even still in the same spots, broken and rotting. Why did we retrieve memories of the bells...

[keen shore]

here they are making flowers w it :-)

[white junco]

I love this image so much, the butterflies look like little hearts

[tranquil harbor]

Thank u, keeping track of the lights is hard sometimes

[keen shore]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKINF!!! It’s a really interesting implication to me, esp since it implies chimesmith might’ve used cyan light as well

[keen shore]

WAIT YOURE SO RIGHt… it is possible that that’s just because prairie islands look like that, but Hmmm…
One is a sanctuary where the creatures can just chill, the other is one where they have a specific function,

[frigid tinsel]

the bell in Homespace rings on its own, iirc in Flight cutscenes the restored chimes also ring on their own – wonder if the magic imbued in them has something to do with it

[keen shore]

Does anyone have ideas on why the spirits do that little wiggle dance when given colored lights btw? It fills my heart with joy

[tranquil harbor]

Light Whisperer cares for the flying animals though. Actually, didn't their little 'bit' say lots of birds they cared for called Sanctuary home, or was it wind paths?

[tranquil harbor]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1442647746758938625?lang=en
Found it!

[keen shore]

IT DOES YES. It just says “the islands” but I assume that means which is really cute…

[frigid tinsel]

could also be the islands in the Wind Paths

[rigid mural]

it's wierd how the wording of this and the modest dancer make it sound like the disparition of ancestors was not long ago

[tranquil harbor]

But considering Sanctuary is connected to wind paths, and they both use bells and have some nature of animal care involved, they might still work together

[keen shore]

It specifies the mantas “hanging around” though as a separate point, which is why I don’t think it’s those. They would’ve jsut said the Paths

[tranquil harbor]

tbh if my rebirth theory is true and they're actually still hanging around after ascending, it does make sense
that, or light creatures are very long lived (they rebirth too don't they?)

[rigid mural]

✨ Some mantas they've nurtured hang around```
and
```🙈 Tries to forget the solo they bungled 5 years ago```
(though the latter is probably not on purpose)

[frigid tinsel]

yea that line bugs me too. "5 years ago" like 5 years ago from now or 5 years ago from the last time the Dancer was alive or before they were petrified or...?

[keen shore]

Maybe from before they were petrified because it was 5 years ago from their perspective? We need to ask about this

[rigid mural]

It would be really funny if it was litterally 5 years ago, but considering we now know what kind of limbo spirits and light creatures go to when consumed by darkness... maybe it really could be that, since I doubt spirits wouldn't be hurt or damaged in some way by centuries spend alone in limbo.

[frigid tinsel]

also a question if they're conscious in limbo. Cannoneer likely wasn't. are they aware of time passing? does it feel like time passes differently in limbo than out?

[keen shore]

If this is true, then it’s indirect confirmation that spirits don’t remember their time in limbo, which is a Massive relief. If they were conscious the entire time it would be a nightmare

It might be like sleeping/being unconscious. I HOPE it is

[frigid tinsel]

that's what I think too. when petrified in darkness, one is not conscious because the darkness keeps them in a holding state because they are deprived of light. it's only when given enough light to break out of the darkness (perhaps petrified skykids in stormlock receiving winged light) do they reawaken and see themselves in limbo.

[rigid mural]

I prefer to avoid grim stuff on that aspect since Sky isn't a psychological horror game, but if ancestors were dead for a while, I prefer to think the time after their death but before we find them goes by like... the time before you were born. Meaning that they likely don't feel it if I'm right.

[foggy lotus]

a cute, wholesome game that doesnt have a dark backstory? impossible!/j

[rigid mural]

tbf sky does have some dark stuff like the factory concept art and gw spirits

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, they don’t have a sense of time passing. It’s just one moment the spirits are undergoing the petrification process or whatever, then the next they’re in limbo or awake. No transition, just blink

[rigid mural]

Wait, the first flight cutscenes does say the guide was waiting for a long time, do they feel the years pass ?

[tranquil harbor]

They guides don't seem to be asleep like the others

[rigid mural]

yeah that's why
i might be confused tho, maybe it just says they were waiting for someone like us, but I do recall it at least implies they were waiting...

[frigid tinsel]

What if Flight guide wasn’t petrified?

[rigid mural]

Probably wasn't since they don't spring out of a petrified body...

[queen forum]

Maybe they’re in a dream like state. As in, they’re not totally aware of the days passing by and every single second, but they’re conscious enough until someone arrives to know that it’s been a long time.

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve imagined the guides were petrified but freed first, we just don’t see it

[rigid mural]

the devs in beta free them before we get to the area

[frigid tinsel]

honestly Flight guide having never been petrified when the rest of their crew were is prime angst material

[rigid mural]

same thought
maybe questgivers go and sit next to their old friends

[queen forum]

True. A short fanfiction entirely from their perspective, having all their thoughts while waiting for someone to show up would be great.

[tranquil harbor]

Y'all can't be doin' this to us. The pain is unbearable! /lh

[foggy lotus]

small question:
how do spirits get petrified in the first place?

[frigid tinsel]

darkness. there are darkness flakes on their statues, so persumably darkness overwhelmed them.

[queen forum]

I think the petrification is thanks to the darkness. The stuff that falls off of them is similar to the black material we see on the crabs as well as the stuff that falls off the Krill, so I think it’s like their souls have been overtaken by it and we burn it away with our candles.

[rigid mural]

I have a headcanon that Questgivers have the same origins as church grims;
The Church Grim guards a local Christian church and its attached churchyard from those who would profane them including thieves, vandals, witches, and warlocks.
and
[One] tradition states that when a new churchyard was opened, the first man buried there had to guard it against the Devil. To save a human soul from such a duty, a black dog was buried in the north part of the churchyard as a substitute.
My headcanon is that they are the first character in their season that died, and thus probably had more or less a proper burial to allow them to stand and watch or guard the others.

[tranquil harbor]

Ouch, leader dies first and the others quickly follow (except for abyss)

[rigid mural]

According to a related belief in Scotland the spirit of the person most recently buried in a churchyard had to protect it until the next funeral provided a new guardian to replace them. This churchyard vigil was known as the faire chlaidh or "graveyard watch"

[hushed steeple]

Look at this color scheme and patterning,

Familiar right? I think these are isle spirits that immigrated to valley, that or their great great great great great great great great great great grandparents did…. ok not that many greats. I personally believe they themselves immigrated rather than their great grandparents. Perhaps because they were really into theator.

[rigid mural]

I wonder what the background of the next intro cards will be then

[hushed steeple]

One more theory.

Ever notice how the forgotten ark’s tents are set up in slumbering shipwrights memory? I know what you might be thinking, and the answer to that is no, this most likely isn’t the actual tents having been set up.

Look at how they’re portrayed, little flecks of black and blue. It’s noticably different from many other times items from memories have been depicted in those memories, this includes the other enchantment spirits. So what are they?

This is the slumbering shipwright imagining and planning out how they want to set up the tents, its all in their head. Whuch means the purple light and ancestor minds could interact together, since the tents set up now aren’t very different from how slumbering shipwright imagined them to be. And the inclusion of new decor and stuff shows how they edited their image up a bit over time.

So to summerize it all up, slumbering shipwright imagined the set up for the forgoten ark’s tents at least a day ago(/j) and the purple light can plaigerize another’s art before they even begin to make it( thats not right) purple light and a persons mind can interact together to create things.

Starlight desert asylum whispers from the horizons

Stay tuned for tommorow cause I’m going to talk about how murals are might be painted with light!

I’m only half joking, there is a 50/50 chance this could prove true.

[sharp lichen]

I cannot wait for tomorrow

[hushed steeple]

Look at this person, really thinking I’ll onehundred percent uphold a promise like THAT!!!!!! /j

||please tell me if this upset you, I’ll delete the joke||

what if ancestors got 5 wedges of light if they had high authority over certain major topics?

This would make sense as blonging grandmother had a whole monopoly selling their gender.

[sharp lichen]

This again-

[tranquil harbor]

Granny earned her wedges by feeding us, so some of us shared the shinies with her, obviously

[hushed steeple]

In all actuality, grandma was head of the family, sanc. guide lead the nature preserve, lightseekers guide was head of the lightseekers, which we can assume was a very major group.

[queen forum]

We give her the wedges slowly when we hug her after each meeting.

[hushed steeple]

Alright, I’m off to go journey through sky and bury another grave I won’t end up using.( adventure and find lore)

[sharp lichen]

Wait, what ancestors have wedges again? This is a new feature

Oh I backread a bit. Maybe it was a decorational feature for them?

[compact shale]

well we don't know if it is a bug they never mentioned it

[sharp lichen]

It’s not a bug it’s now a FEATURE

[compact shale]

my idea is that the cape is like their stamp card and once they get enough wedges they get reborn for real (as in, solid body and all)

Grandma has more wedges thanks to us bonding with them

[raw crypt]

CARD CARD CARD

[foggy lotus]

ITS FOREST TEMPLE
VELA PSPSPS

[hushed steeple]

Now we can wear the pancho outfit the spirits wear!

[mild robin]

that spirit is adorable the cat ears

[foggy lotus]

yalls does this mean that some spirits have immagrated from diff realms

[tranquil harbor]

So stagehand has a forest background, dancer seems to have valley, and does the storyteller have prairie or isle? they're not in order

[hushed steeple]

Isle, valley, and forest

[mild robin]

i mean the enchantment ppl traveled everywhere right

[tranquil harbor]

They're not in order, so it might mean something. Unless they're just invoking color theory. Forest's dark colors match stagehand nice, and Ash said they invoked strong color feelings into seasons

[rigid mural]

SCRIMBLO

[foggy lotus]

give them an egg and see what happens

[tranquil harbor]

They're like if a kitty and a penguin had a baby

[hushed steeple]

Guys, look at the bottom of the pictures. I think these are stage back drops.

[rigid mural]

OH MY GOD THATS A PAINT RAG IM GONNA CRY THEY DO THE ART THING !!!!!!!

[queen forum]

Yeah, I thought that the backgrounds just corresponded to which realm they came from.

[tranquil harbor]

I'd love that so much

[queen forum]

I wonder if one of them is gonna be from Wasteland…

[rigid mural]

holding frantic stagehand gently

[hushed steeple]

I thonk they could be isle spirits that immigrated to valley and adopted some of valley’s culture while also keeping their own.

[foggy lotus]

frantic stagehand furry confirmed/j

[queen forum]

Maybe. But Stagehands dark style of clothing does seem like something that would come from the Forest.

[mild robin]

and because they have a hood maybe its to protect them from rain

[white junco]

the season teaser also says the group is putting on a show for their local community, I'd like to think they all moved to valley from all over the realms to pursue the arts

[foggy lotus]

i think the hood is more of a decoration, as it doesn't really cover a lot in my oppinion

[queen forum]

It doesn’t? It looks like it covers everything except their face, and that’s covered by the mask. Is there an open part of it?

[white junco]

oh and the area is an offshoot of dreams!! So maybe they're following their dreams just like the skater!!

[hushed steeple]

True, it doesnt really fit. I could see story teller being from isle, and dancer could be from valley, they do have the right pants and shirt. We’ll go with that.

[queen forum]

Should have just called Performance season of Dreams 2.0.

[rigid mural]

my friend frantic stagehand deserves better than to be called a dream spirit

[hushed steeple]

No, season of Rhythm 2.0. Definitely this, you’ll see soon enough.

[white junco]

vela why r u so mean to dreams

[spark cairn]

They're dark clothing might be based on people that work behind the stage and stuff. In some plays, people in dark clothing would move props around. They dark clothing made them less notable. I think that's where Hollywood ninjas got inspiration from

[rigid mural]

i cant have bearhug 2, they are so mean :(

[queen forum]

Forget the Spirits adopting the Skids, we’ll have to keep you from doing everything you can to adopt this spirit.

[rigid mural]

JAIL FOR ONE THOUSAND YEARS FOR YOU

[tranquil harbor]

Yes, in the old days, you were supposed to ignore the stage hands dressed from head to toe in black during plays. So when they needed someone to be 'stealthy' and come out of no where, an easy way to do that was to have a fake stagehand who would rip off their mask and start acting at the right moment. Thus: ninjas as we know them

[white junco]

no bc the spirits seem to draw inspiration from a bunch of realms! Stagehand's clothes remind me of some TLP cosmetics, and dancer's remind me of rhythm pants! They're a mix of different people from different places... and then they put on a play together omg

[harsh pecan]

thats really nice

[rigid mural]

crying, look at the ancestor paint tools, i want to "borrow" their supplies

[native shoal]

“Has anxiety dreams about missing props” FELT THAT, also I like how theater is/was an established thing in Sky

[tranquil harbor]

We gettin' cultural lore my dudes

[white junco]

THE PAINT BUCKETS

[harsh pecan]

they used to have multiple colours...

[queen forum]

Stagehand probably sleeps near all the props like they were stuffed animals in a bed.

[sly lake]

There are at least three different paint colors in Flight area, in the form of paint buckets! I counted Red, Yellow, and a blueish color.

[mild robin]

head canon forgetful storyteller has multiple stuffed animals possibly of crabs and such.

[harsh pecan]

oooo, now we have pink

[compact shale]

I think Stagehand's hood might be an owl hood, considering the bird theme

though that doesn't fit with the penguin theme, it's a bit closer

[tranquil harbor]

Double owl

[white junco]

I absolutely love stagehand's outfit bc it's design mimicks the default spirit outfits but color!! hood!!

[queen forum]

I really thought it was just supposed to be a cat ears hood. But that makes more sense.

[native shoal]

It’s cat ears for all of the players

[harsh pecan]

yes

[spark cairn]

Cat ears cat ears

[tranquil harbor]

We're gonna see so many cat ear chibis

[wide owl]

HI Lore!! I have...m...A wierd question....

[harsh pecan]

go ahead

[foggy lotus]

i dont care if its centered or not have the skrunkly

[compact shale]

Like

Imagine this

but black

That's Stagehand

[sly lake]

I saw a theory that the Stagehand's hood covers their hairstyle which is an owl-like hair, and that's why the hood has the small 'ears'.

[wide owl]

Where does Sky milk come from, we know some spirits like cheese and ice creams....Is it from mantas??

[mild robin]

yeah the eyebrows are definitely supposed to ba like a great horned owl

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, it was implied mantas can be milked. It's also possible they used plant milks, or had other animals we don't get to see

[queen forum]

That look on their face is what someone gets when they mess up one of their paint jobs.

[spark cairn]

Understandable. But consider

[wide owl]

Oh!! okok , Thanks < 3....also, I recently started at this Lore Sky, so I´m happy to see the channel so active ❤️

[foggy lotus]

thats them when someone compliments their work

[tranquil harbor]

Welcome! We're happy you're here!

[foggy lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715685498105888870/959602338467840090/IMG_2148.gif
welcome to lorechat have a gift

[harsh pecan]

probs ambidextrous

[queen forum]

I just thought of something. I have no doubt that one of the quests we’re going to do is probably helping stagehand set up the play and do stuff with them. That would be an awesome quest.

[tranquil harbor]

What penguin is that

[compact shale]

Oh yeah, definitely that too.

[white junco]

very good penguin

[rigid mural]

rockhopper !

[sly lake]

Hm, Google tells me its a Fiordland Crested Penguin!

[queen forum]

I thought it was a macaroni penguin.

[hushed steeple]

All the cosmetics are confirmed to be penguin themed in this season. Each mask represents a different penguin species.

[wide owl]

Off topic, sorry but.... I don´t understand the concept of Megabird...is Megabird evil??

[tranquil harbor]

Where?

[sly lake]

There's definitely a few species of crested penguins out there.

[compact shale]

yep~~

but combined with the hood they look like an owl alright

@wide owl Sometimes a no is a maybe. That being said, we don't know if Megabird should even be considered as a "character" more than they are a "force"

[queen forum]

Not exactly. That’s a complicated subject. But it’s not “evil” in the terms of what we consider to be evil. Probably, at least.

[foggy lotus]

megabird is the personafication of the eden cycle, i know there is a more in depth explaination somewhere idk where

[white junco]

it's not like tgc said "everyone is a penguin" exactly? all the masks are just very penguin

[spark cairn]

Penguin+cat+owl hybrid?

[tranquil harbor]

Megabird is a whole thing. We're not even sure if they're still canon are we?

[hushed steeple]

From looks mostly, and some other things. It’s really not much of a spoiler since the cosmetics are being revealed already.

[compact shale]

OH birds I didn't even realize that

we do see them as much as the king don't we? Or does the king get more spotlight?

[wide owl]

In some murals I keep seeing this "Cycle" So...Megabird Creates us, sends us to explore/gain info. And then we go back and absorbs that and restarts the process over and over and over.....??

[queen forum]

I’d say the King gets more with all the statues and symbolism. The Mgeabird gets very few mentions in game.

[harsh pecan]

ig so

[tranquil harbor]

Not quite. Our mission is to save the spirits, which the spirits may have been the ones asking us to do that. We don't know what megabird wants

[compact shale]

Maybe... though the duty we were given in the intro is to

[foggy lotus]

everyone in this new season is a furry /j

[wide owl]

okok , This is such a thrilling experience!!! I love all these theories

[hushed steeple]

More like we actually see a physical mega bird in the sky of orbit and we’ve seen some pieces of art of the eden king.

[spark cairn]

Eden spoilers
||I thought megabird was the god of this world. Iirc, we see em after all the credits in orbit||

[harsh pecan]

king gets more spotlight

[queen forum]

I think at the least it wants to protect the light of the world from the darkness, so we know that it isn’t a big fan of the other side of what it represents.

[compact shale]

You mean an aviary?

[rugged jackal]

Henlo there lorechat

I shall be lurking

[harsh pecan]

yea

[hushed steeple]

AVIARY NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[foggy lotus]

feel free to jump in if you have any good ideas

[queen forum]

Aviary is now overrun by the furry spirits. There was nothing we could do.

[hushed steeple]

This is going to take centuries of therapy to get over.

(R.I.P Light Awaits)

[harsh pecan]

yeaa....old isle 😭

[compact shale]

Someone thought bird furries were called "aviary" but they're actually called "avian"

[foggy lotus]

🌠 The more you know

[wide owl]

Guys, so lately i have really studied the murals and makes me think of everything I overlooked as a moth. It is really funny how some I used to say " Ha! nice ppl ...glowwy...Ooohhh ...meh , moving on" HAHAHA

[queen forum]

This is too relatable. Early days I spent so much timing searching for spirits that I essentially passed over every single thing that had to do with lore.

[hushed steeple]

Summarization of a mural.

[wide owl]

Oooh I saw this one!! I had the theory that the guy on the cloud may be seeing by the ppl as a God. God-like ppl in many cultures are represented with this exact concept (:

[hushed steeple]

All elders are their own god, stop putting other elders down just because you don’t know them./j

[wide owl]

I´m basically a Lore moth rn

[queen forum]

We all were at some point.

[harsh pecan]

ye

[hushed steeple]

Just like my actual moth days, I got ahold of things pretty quick. Then proceeded to write an entire essay as to why the starlight desert is an insane asylum.

[foggy lotus]

sorry what

[harsh pecan]

i remember that theory :D

[sharp lichen]

I thought that the Sky kingdom was actually a sci-fi civilization

[wide owl]

OOhh sound sinteresting...May I know pleaaaseee??? (:

[white junco]

starlight desert gsa meeting at the stage be there at 6

[foggy lotus]

my moth theories were just simple, like light creatures being attracted to bells and eden being in quarentine

[harsh pecan]

i had no theories

[compact shale]

My moth theory was this

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wide owl]

??

[white junco]

I picked up on the petrification stuff about 2 months in? But that’s pretty much it

[harsh pecan]

i liked that one

[compact shale]

Wait that's the abridged version

here's the full lol

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

thanks

[hushed steeple]

So, slouching soldier lives in a jar of alcaholism and lives with hallucinations of those they loved, including their family. Everyone else is also on an island of their own troubles. Purple light tampers with minds(memory manta maybe?) flowers unique and glow purple. Random rose garden in desert with random little prince. Must have been intentionally built by ancestors. The end.

Thats the summarization.

[white junco]

the gloat spirit is fruity that’s the joke

[harsh pecan]

i was kinda shocked when i saw kitsuu and chesca there ngl, its been a while

[compact shale]

One of Gloat's concept arts looks like Forgor but green

[wide owl]

M...may I say my Little Prince Theory ?? (:

[hushed steeple]

no…. Instead

I DEMAND YOU SHOW US YOUR LITTLE PRINCE THEORY!!!!!

[sharp lichen]

Them? Oh yes, it’s been so long since they’re active

[compact shale]

I finally left KP

there wasn't much really

[wide owl]

So, I noticed ALL the spirits from the season come from a different land (I don´t know thwir names ...sorry) The guy that lights up the ...m...lights? was from the forest and forgot they doen´t work there anymore. The Gloat? Guy was from valley and is still waiting to give the performance of their life. The ...alcohol guy? They was from Wasteland and is still remembering their times there (war, death, destruction) and thus drinks the dark water in self pitty. Lastly, the Little prince, our FRIEND. The prince was a sky kid who REALLY WENT INSIDE the story, this is why we interact with the prince....what do you think??

[hushed steeple]

I don’t even know them, geez.

[sharp lichen]

Look at this buffoon lore moth with his absolutely braindead takes! Can anyone help him?

[harsh pecan]

its good

[compact shale]

These spirit-realm pairings are indeed confirmed in concept art!

[livid pelican]

What about the delusionial king? The conspiracy theorist and the greedy merchant?

[hushed steeple]

the only problem I have woth this is it being the actual book. Its described as a place where dream like worlds collide, meaning it is physically there./lh

[wide owl]

m...m.... Gets nervous

I think MAYBE they is a vanished king supposed to rule one of the lands.

[wide owl]

what is "/lh"??

[foggy lotus]

lighthearted

[livid pelican]

The Starlight Desert is supposed to represent dreams becoming reality as these spirits wallow in their dismay.

[white junco]

question. why did you choose to describe it as an “insane asylum” if your description of it leans more towards intentional meddling with the TLP spirits’ minds and causing them to have these issues. Those are two very different things

[livid pelican]

6 spirits, 6 realms

[hushed steeple]

Probably a prairie or isle spirit that wanted to control every single aspect of their life. Theorist was a history obsessed vault spirit, and star collector was a greedy trader.

[wide owl]

Thanksss

[hushed steeple]

One, I don’t know. Two, thats why I call it the asylum theory now.

[livid pelican]

I think the king should be placed in isle and the collector would be in prairie

[compact shale]

THIS CAN BE CONFIRMED WITH CONCEPT ART

edit: WHERE THE HECK

[hushed steeple]

I never gave them a specific place since I don’t know where they should go. It’s just too iffy for me so I don’t want to try and categorize them at the moment.

[white junco]

asylum means “protection or shelter from danger”

[livid pelican]

I feel like your theorist is correct, a spirit so obsessed with the past they forgot to bring themselves back to the present.

[wide owl]

Yeah, it is not reffering to the place where they treat mentally ill people

[hushed steeple]

Is the cage the starlight desert or the rest of the world of sky./j

||I dunno I was new to the lore thing here||

[keen shore]

All I’m saying is, I want to paint watercolors with the flight spirits

[compact shale]

My personal theory for Starlight Desert and the spirits is that behind the illusion, Starlight Desert is a place that attempts to trap explorers in their past or present sins/worst moments

All 6 spirits got trapped and died trapped, with little hope for their ascension

Their bodies were never discovered, but eventually, Starlight Desert was covered with an illusion-projecting lantern, which also allowed others to see the trapped spirits' sins

[sharp lichen]

My headcanon is that Starlight Desert is a barren place that was used as a place to experiment magic on: but it was also used a containment area for TLP spirits

[livid pelican]

The reason for Prairie = star collector is because Prairie is more developed (it has villages. village = economy)

The king has received the worst of corruption (isle of dawn) and has lost control of his life and is not taking control

[timid lintel]

Is anybody there

[rugged jackal]

Yes

[white junco]

my headcanon for tlp is that the gloat spirit and the lamplighter are gay and in love

[foggy lotus]

the angst was scheduled for 9:15pm est this is too early/j

[livid pelican]

I don't think it'll work out as you think

[timid lintel]

Oh,

[compact shale]

I saw a comic where Gloat drank milk straight from the carton

Then Lamplighter drank cereal straight from the box

And then they made eye contact

[white junco]

LAMPLIGHTER CAN DRINK CEREAL??

[hushed steeple]

yes kinda, but purple light rather than lantern. The physical buildings are made from their minds and siiiinnnnnnnssssssssss like how sumbering shipwright imagined the tents and used the purple light to create them.

[sharp lichen]

I mean of course

[compact shale]

SLUMBERING SHIPWRIGHT IS IN PRAIRIE?!

[wide owl]

Guys, I have to go now...See you soon <<<<333 Nice meeting you friends (:

[keen shore]

My headcanon for tlp is that the spirits in it were created so that the vault scholars could bully the elders by making them say funny things

[white junco]

yeah!! that’s a big part of why I think there was a close relationship between the realms

[hushed steeple]

uhhhhh wot. I never said that….. I am definitely confused now.

[rigid mural]

there are two spirits inside you
one eats milk
the other drinks cereals
both are gay

[keen shore]

I have Negative Feelings towards the asylum theory. Not because it doesn’t make sense or anything, but because I am deeply tired of the whole “asylums are weird and filled with scary crazy people” horror trope, and it reminds me a lot of that.

[rigid mural]

seconding this

[white junco]

THANK YOU SALEM

[frigid tinsel]

Someone said it

[rigid mural]

That and we don't need to normalize the poor treatment of folks that are patients in there !

[keen shore]

Asylums (and mental hospitals irl let’s be real. This is from experience) can be scary and traumatizing, not to others experiencing them from the outside (like our skykids and most horror protags would be) but to the patients within them. This is largely due to abuse and poor treatment that gets normalized or even justified with this trope

[livid pelican]

did you mean, snoozing carpenter from Forgotten Ark?

[keen shore]

I like to think that the vault scholars and the kingdom as a whole would’ve had better ways of dealing with mental health problems than, quite literally, banishing their victims to a desert that makes them hallucinate constantly

[hushed steeple]

Yes. Did I say the wrong thing….

Of course I would……

[livid pelican]

you said slumbering shipwright

[frigid tinsel]

Also mentally ill people aren’t bad. They aren’t villains. They’re more often to be the victims of crime than the prepatrator. They can do bad things just as much everyone else is, your mental health doesn’t dictate your moral worth.

[hushed steeple]

But the king was a brand new child so I don’t think they new what that was. But who knows…. maaaaayyyyybbbbeeeeee they did.

[compact shale]

Is it "preparatory" or "perpetrator" ?

[sharp lichen]

It’s unlikely we can find an canon reason for the Starlight Desert’s existence, but I hope that the one that makes the most narrative and thematic sense be chosen

[frigid tinsel]

Good catch

[livid pelican]

Theory time! Vault scholars tried to bring back lost spirits using purple light but it ended up creating Starlight Desert.

[hushed steeple]

Also Ash said they were trapped in their own vices. Like being a brat, a workaholic, a drunkard. The other ancestors probably weren’t too familiar with that stuff as everyone else seems a lot more cherful and able to work with eachother. They might’ve seen it as darkness or something, I don’t know I’m only a player not a dev.

[keen shore]

One of the other main reasons I’m uncomfortable with this theory, other than the ones I’ve already mentioned, is that… the Starlight Desert is an empty, barren wasteland that makes you hallucinate. By design, the people within it are isolated from each other and have no human interaction until tlp comes. They don’t even get to ascend at the end. If they ARE actually mentally ill people and the theory is true, this means that not only did the kingdom actively not care about and ignore the patients within it, they were outright abused on purpose for no other reason than cruelty — both by vault and by the game, which like I just said, doesn’t even let them ascend.

It just comes off as really mean and cruel, and it’s definitely not the explanation I prefer. In fact, it makes me actively uncomfortable

[frigid tinsel]

Attributing strange behavior to •external forces• often excuses abusing them

[rigid mural]

bestie we're talking about a game where spirits are on flying boats, use magic cubes to summon tangible creatures and go through reincarnation, i dont think you can compare their stade of advancement to ours

[white junco]

you are suggesting that a young child decided to mentally torture people who were already mentally ill for what reason exactly? Sky is a game about compassion. And your theory relies on the ancestors being incredibly cruel to people who need help

[keen shore]

I’m super glad I’m not the only one who thought this,.. I was debating posting that original message because I worried I was just being weird about it and overthinking things. Thank u for the support everyone <3

[compact shale]

My theory is that beneath the illusion, Starlight Desert is the place where purple light is created, and serves as the final obstacle for those taking part in the Eden pilgrimage.

The purple light creates illusions for the explorers, forcing them to relive the worst version of themselves based on their past and sins during this life.

The spirits we see got trapped in those illusions and died in them.

[hushed steeple]

I’m sorry! I was hardly sure about that one. It was just a thought.

I am the accidental drama starter./j

[livid pelican]

I like the theory that purple light came from Starlight desert.

[carmine garnet]

Well also keep in mind, that season and starlight desert are the first season 'HEAVLY' (practical) based on an existing piece of work. Sense why it has that dark and sad feel.

[hushed steeple]

I’m starting to feel my sanity leave my body. I need to go before I cause extreme drama again.

[livid pelican]

That would mean that green light would've come from the green area

[fickle wing]

shoutout to this girlboss making folks push cubes for er

[rigid mural]

building power (Teth)

[white junco]

why does Teth have the building power if others r moving the cubes

[compact shale]

it comes from Prairie. It comes from mantas. There was once a thing where it was apparently manta waste product. Don't think about it too much

[sly lake]

What if the Starlight Desert is just an illustion projection room gone haywire? We have many elements of illusions and dream states in Vault already. The spirits we see in Starlight Desert might not even be real, instead just be Sky Ancestor's versions of fictional movie characters.

[keen shore]

Oh, are we talking about that fanseason again?

[fickle wing]

taking the credit </3

[compact shale]

Yeah, I also have the idea that SoTLP is in-universe fiction that got a really big budget and/or love

[carmine garnet]

Hey no need to leave. I just like to look at inspiration for stuff and how it affects games and lore. I'm just saying that while TGC is amazing at fitting lore in a making it a part of their world. is can also be possible that they TGC really wanted the little prince to be part of their world so they might not have focus too heavily on where it made sense lore wise

[sly lake]

Fan season?

[rigid mural]

handing teth some legos

[fickle wing]

bro teth would SLAY when it comes to building stuff w legos

[sharp lichen]

I’m literally the only person here who thinks that TLP is mostly real and that’s fine

[keen shore]

I got tired of discourse on how much of tlp was canon so I just started declaring the whole season as fake

[white junco]

Teth lego death star

[raw crypt]

shout out to this tlp concept art

[frigid tinsel]

Who made that

[sly lake]

Exactly. Or its a virtual projection of one of the Vault lantern-books, blown up to unreal proportions due to Vault tech.
There's still a physical location that Wind Paths connect to, but in reality it's just a large room perhaps.

[sly lake]

Ah, I see. I wasn't aware of that inside joke.

[frigid tinsel]

wait that's the fox that's the fox that's the fox

[compact shale]

now the question is...

WHY would they make a wind path for it?

We know that the ancestors use the bells to direct the birds to where they need it to

And its location is geographically correct

[fickle wing]

teth the type of person to leave legos on stairs out of spite

[keen shore]

Headcanon: Forest elder designed everyone’s temples. The other elders asked them to because they wanted 2 support their friends passions and bc they’re the best at it. This is why all the temple designs are similar

[fickle wing]

oh i absolutely adore that thought

[sly lake]

Well, we also have to consider game mechanics. Each wind path connects to a seasonal area, so it may just be connecting to that spot due to game mechanics. Not a lore reason?

We could instead frame it as: There is a Wind Path that connects all the realms in sky.

[tranquil harbor]

I think Starlight desert is a real desert

[compact shale]

I tried asking Ash why

they only said it was geographically connected

No "yes" or "no"

they did say it was real in a sense tho

[white junco]

The starlight desert is most likely a real desert that’s part of the same desert that we see in wasteland, we see the same bones and fortification thingies from wasteland in one of the tlp areas

[sharp lichen]

So it could have had a strategic purpose?

[livid pelican]

what's tlp?

[queen forum]

The Little Prince.

[frigid tinsel]

the whole "Starlight Desert and everything in it isn't real" take just feels lazy tbh. not vibing

[sly lake]

Yes. So there's a physical location-but who says what we see in Starlight Desert is real and not just a virtual reality projected into a library room?

[tranquil harbor]

It's a crossover season, so people get into entire debates if it's canon, if the place it's in is canon, and it's exhausting

[fickle wing]

confession first time i saw tlp being used i thought it stood for tiny little panini

[keen shore]

I agree. That’s why I extended it to the entire SEASON being fake

Ok but in actuality, I do agree with u. There can be a lore explanation for all of this

[compact shale]

Yeah

But that physicial location had to have a purpose

What was it?

[white junco]

salem please give us the lore explanation for french people in sky

[livid pelican]

Ah... New Theory! Starlight desert was once a part of golden wasteland but something happened with purple light and now it's starlight desert

[sly lake]

That doesn't convince me enough that it's a real space truthfully. We see bones in one of the higher levels of Vaults which are stated by a dev that the higher levels of Vault are a dream space.

[queen forum]

I mean, the dark water in the giant vase in the desert can drain our light. If it wasn’t real, then it wouldn’t be able to do that, right?

[keen shore]

water just poured out of my nose thank you krii

[fickle wing]

french ppl in sky…..no way..this means the British might b there

[tranquil harbor]

To be a desert? Even places on earth don't 'have a purpose', they're just there, existing

[sly lake]

We can drain light in the trials? Which are pretty clearly meditation spots in our mind.

[rigid mural]

not if im here

[keen shore]

The French are just like that

[fickle wing]

points at crab call with my British beam

[compact shale]

Oh whoops
I meant

There had to be a reason why the ancestors wanted a wind path there

[white junco]

I mean the bones in the vault are floating. These bones are the same as the ones in graveyard. the barricades or whatever they’re called are only in wasteland. idk how else i could convince you, i’ve got this well thing?

[keen shore]

be careful

[queen forum]

Yeah, but that’s not permanent. We just respawn and that’s the end of it. But the dark water acts the exact same as everywhere else, and can take away all our light. It has consequences, the trials do not beyond cracking our sanity with each death.

[tranquil harbor]

They might not have a choice where the windpaths are. There is also a possibility starlight desert wasn't always a desert. Wasteland wasn't always a Wasteland, as we've seen, so maybe it got renamed

[compact shale]

They do though. They explicitly use the chimes to redirect creatures.

[sly lake]

That part I'm not sure of, it could have been an old library room like what we see in Vaults first floor, or one of many virtual projection rooms that has had it's tech gone haywire.
I envision that there's a Little Prince lantern book in the vault somewhere that was plugged into a VR tech.

[keen shore]

“What is the lore explanation for French people in Sky?” Simple. Admiring actor is French, there is no reason others don’t exist as well

[tranquil harbor]

How does that control where the holes are?

[queen forum]

The only creatures in the desert are a few spirit mantas, though. And we don’t see any of them in the wind paths. So it’s questionable if the ones for the desert were used for creatures.

[sly lake]

We also have crabs in Archives too, so perhaps in the VR room there is some dark water. But our minds envision it as a giant pot.

Building a giant pot just to house smaller pots and one spirit sounds impractical.

[keen shore]

Sometimes French people just teleport into the world of Sky and that’s ok

[fickle wing]

petition for boogie to b German to b that little German boy meme yknow the one w the cola and fortnite

[compact shale]

They use the chimes to direct bird streams into clouds the way they want

[rigid mural]

I headcanon the starlight desert is real and the spirits there are amalgamations of memories not complete enough to be spirits, along with a story that may or may not be from this world and a tiny speckle of the elders

[frigid tinsel]

also possible the wind paths are in different locations than they were during the ancestors era

[white junco]

I mean the prince is technically not from the world of sky. he is definitely from a tiny little planet

[keen shore]

Exactly, that tiny planet is France

[queen forum]

An entire Planet that’s France.

[fickle wing]

they sent french ppl to another planet

[compact shale]

Oooh memory amalgamations

I remember those

There's also the idea that they're amalgamations of thoughts extracted from scholars

[white junco]

banished to the french dimension

[sly lake]

That is a very nice well.

We also have a spirit manta in the Desert too, which are only seen in the dream-state levels of Vault. There are also more solid bones where you summon the baby spirit manta.
More to the fact that these bones aren't ghostly like other places in Vault: When you dream, does everything always make sense, and always look the same?

[queen forum]

That would be something, wouldn’t it? If the story of the little prince somehow existed in the sky universe as well, and the entire area was made with the powers of the light or something by the scholars in an attempt to bring the story to life. It would fit with the theory that it isn’t real and the one that it is. The story is fictional, yet the people and area are certainly not.

[sharp lichen]

Agree! Imagine someone saying that the Nether isn't real in Minecraft!

[keen shore]

TLP climbed Eden because it reminded him of the Eiffel Tower (real lore)

[sly lake]

It's a story in our world. Why can it not be a story in the world of Sky as well?

[queen forum]

The Little Prince Spirits take over and all of the Sky becomes French themed.

[keen shore]

horror story

[white junco]

starlight desert also has those wrecked boats that show up everywhere in the realms, except maybe the rest of vault idk

[sly lake]

Making it out that these characters are 'real' mental asylum patients feels highly uncomfortable to me as well. I'd prefer them being what they are: Story characters. Versus Ancestor spirits deliberately trapping a drunkard in a pit made of their own sins.

[queen forum]

Someone was taking a tour of the area and the boat crashed? That’s the only reason I can think of why it’s there.

[sharp lichen]

Maybe people tried to settle here but failed?

[tranquil harbor]

I think they're Ancestor spirits who all just kinda wandered into the desert and stayed there

[sharp lichen]

Remember: If Isle and Wasteland used to be grasslands, then nothing's stopping the Starlight Desert

[sly lake]

And then had specialized torturous islands crafted for them? It doesn't make any sense, respectfully.
Or well, if it is real, it's exceptionally cruel.

[keen shore]

dancing performer gets drunk all the time but no one banishes them to starlight desert

[white junco]

especially since the starlight desert may very well be part of the wasteland desert, the tunnel out to the area is very very long, long enough to get a good bit of distance from the vault

[queen forum]

True! Remember the garden on the ground in the middle of it. It could have used to be green as well, but that garden is all that’s left.

[sly lake]

You know, the garden actually is one spot I could see being a portion of the 'real' part of the VR setup. The prayer gravesite room behind the four person door always reminds me a little of a garden.

[rugged jackal]

I’m gonna share my own take..

So the area text says “Where dreamlike worlds collide”, I think it’s just that. Maybe the gods of the sky and tlp universes just decided to do something together at one point like they’re playing the sims or something. Anyways the two universes crashed into eachother, creating a tlp themed area, as well as an alternate timeline where the events of the book that happened on earth didn’t really happen, and everything after tlp visited the 6 asteroids happened on Sky’s planet. (Maybe this means that there’s a small sky-themed area in tlp’s universe too somewhere..? Ehh, questions for later.)

But ehh those are just my two cents, definitely not a complete theory about the whole tlp season but like
dont worry about it

[tranquil harbor]

The islands don't look particularly torturous to me. Except for the dark water addiction place, but that might literally be a dump of some kind.

[keen shore]

I like to imagine that at least some of the tlp spirits/projections were made by the vault scholars to make fun of their elders, bc the idea of them getting to vault elder and then being like “yeah jsut make them a nerd” is hilarious to me. even more hilarious is vault elder being fine with it and maybe agreeing

[sly lake]

Oh that's cute, I'm enamoured by the idea of a small Sky-themed planet in the Little Prince universe!

Also an interesting note:
“Where** dreamlike** worlds collide”

[sharp lichen]

I thought it was like a intersection between the 2 planes, similar to DND

[queen forum]

Yeah. The King gets a throne, the actor gets a stage, the scholar gets piles of books, it doesn’t seem like they would be suffering under these circumstances. Only the dark water guy.

[keen shore]

Most of them not only remind the spirits there of their “vices”, but are incredibly isolating by design. Escaping them would not be an option. Those islands PALE in comparison to the literal hallucinatory desert that they all got thrown into tho

[trim mural]

I lurk here like a lot and your messages are always interesting

[sly lake]

I don't know..trapping the Lamplighter in a jail of endless work, and the Narcissist only surrounded by themselves instead of true companionship. That doesn't read as torturous to you?

Although, I do think that Star collector does have a pretty sweet setup. Maybe it's not so bad for them.

[sharp lichen]

Well, thank you!

[white junco]

I’ve been wondering about why we can’t see the vault while we’re in the starlight desert, such a huge structure should be visible right? but also, the vault looks absolutely massive if you fly near the temple in the battlefields, but you can’t see it in other areas. Though this is also the game where an older version of the wasteland temple is visible in the crab fields, so take it with a grain of salt

[sly lake]

Yes, I think the giant wall behind the Wasteland temple gate is Vault's tower itself!

[tranquil harbor]

Narcisist could have put those mirrors up himself, and @keen shore the ancestors have flying boats.

These places showcase their vices, but they're the ones not leaving those vices behind.

[frigid tinsel]

Starlight Desert (and Vault in general) seem to be liminal zones, transitional spaces between various planes of existences where entities from these planes could interact if they wander there.

[queen forum]

There’s also the theory that the Vault is in the Eden mountain itself, and the wall could be the entrance to it. Like a gigantic gate.

[keen shore]

Where are the flying boats they’d use to get around though? Not to mention concerns like food, water, and so on. Again, the islands aren’t really the main torturous part of their existence (if the spirits were even real and functioned like ancestors), it’s the desert surrounding them that makes them hallucinate CONSTNALTH

[sly lake]

I don't know. If we go with the theory that everything within Starlight Desert is a real space, including the spirits..It's not just cruel, it reads as more mentally-able ancestors isolating, and then essentially pointing and laughing at these LP spirits and their troubles, if the LP spirits were actual spirits within Sky.

[rigid mural]

man i feel so sad for the TLP spirits, cant we just headcanon them having a nice cup of tea or being brought flowers

[frigid tinsel]

those islands are temptations. they don't want to leave.

[tranquil harbor]

Flight Spirits also had boats, but it fell beneath the clouds and we had to go get it. It's possible their boats are just gone now

[sly lake]

That's why I feel like the islands truly don't exist in Sky's reality, but are a projection of what the story is and its characters. Similar to the book of the LP itself.

[queen forum]

No, this is lore chat, anything that’s not related to angst isn’t allowed. /s

[compact shale]

What would happen if we broke through the illusion of Starlight Desert?

[keen shore]

I think everything is real but the spirits, although the spirits being real doesn’t necessarily mean all the nasty asylum baggage has to come with it — they could be there for other reasons. Still, I don’t think any of those reasons are good

[sly lake]

It's directly opposite to Archives, perhaps it's a similar area?

[frigid tinsel]

everything in Starlight Desert could be real as it because reality there has been warped so much.

[white junco]

consider: small moth interrupting lamplighter to hold their hand, and lamplighter doesn’t know what to do bc on the one hand they have to keep lighting the lamp, but also small child

[tranquil harbor]

tbh I'd love to stop talking about tlp, because I hate this so much It's just not a fun topic.

[queen forum]

I think it would just be an empty stone room. Although I personally don’t believe the theory that it’s fake.

[sly lake]

Yeah, perhaps it is real, but until proven otherwise I'd like to picture it as just a storytelling VR setup gone haywire. The alternative makes me uncomfortable.

[compact shale]

As much as I like the book, it drives me crazy that it's even more "up to inerpestasion" than everything else and that we'll probably never get confirmation on anything it is

[keen shore]

I may be weird but I like to talk about tlp spirit lore, not because of the spirits themselves, but because of how their personalities relate to the elders. It really gives us a glimpse into their personalities and I like it :-)

[sly lake]

Speaking of Vault, what do you think made the giant tunnels and holes in Archives?

[frigid tinsel]

badger moles

[tranquil harbor]

I still like the idea that the vices of the spirits are ones the elders lack because they've tempered them

[white junco]

thoughts on this post from tgc? It personally confused the hell out of me

[keen shore]

Not gonna lie, star collector in general confuses me to no end, because they’re associated with prairie elder and I would Not expect them to be like that

[white junco]

island shaped like a merchant boat… is it not a boat

[rugged jackal]

I’m bored of this I shall attempt to change the subject

Lore offering

[queen forum]

Wall Chibis. But in all seriousness, probably just the people who took refuge there when the Fall happened.

[raw crypt]

sorry i got terribly distracted looking for the other cloud fox concept

[tranquil harbor]

Prairie Elder's thing is agriculture. 'The bounty of the land' so to speak. Prairie Elder sharing this bounty with the kingdom maybe, instead of hoarding it and driving up prices?

[sly lake]

Question, how are they associated with Prairie Elder? 😮

[rigid mural]

put the moth at the end of the stick thing, they tend to pull out their candle on impulse

[keen shore]

That makes sense, but also the heavy association with artificial stars/darkstone is super weird to me. Considering how darkstone is made, you’d think someone based off prairie elder would HATE it

[white junco]

same with beckoning ruler, like daleth is not like that at all! but then a bunch of valley concepts include the word hubris as a theme so it fits gloat, so like. who matches their realms and who doesn’t

[tranquil harbor]

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

This is why I think it's about vices the elders don't have

[keen shore]

What if the tlp spirits are like the tupper box tuppers of elders. They were made to bully (affectionate?) the elders . Idk how else to explain it. That’s why collector likes to own darkstone so much

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they were seen as mocking the Elders?

[sly lake]

I'm lost. There's an elder connection?

[frigid tinsel]

what does Prairie Elder like to collect?

[rugged jackal]

Butterflies

[keen shore]

POT
or friends :-)

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the artificial stars/darkstone is the wrong direction. The star prop lights up doesn't it? Maybe it's actually about the butterflies

[queen forum]

Skids to hug.

[keen shore]

Galaxy brain: it’s about them adopting all of us (we r stars)

[tranquil harbor]

I still want to know which elder is the most likely to give the skids a hug

[white junco]

all of them

[compact shale]

I've always had the impression that the spirits were created as satires to protest AGAINST the elders

[sly lake]

Oh, is the elder connection a inside joke? I thought it was an officially stated thing.

[queen forum]

I actually really like that idea! It feels like a very human thing for them to do. Just making fun of the Elders.

[tranquil harbor]

It's not an inside joke, we have real reasons for this

[white junco]

that implies that people were bullying ayin for losing their resilience and caving to using darkstone (talked about this earlier) and ow… good stuff

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they were anti-Elder and thus punished?

[sly lake]

I'd love to hear! No one answered and then the conversation turned humorous, so I thought it was an inside joke I was missing.

[compact shale]

Like

The Spirits were created when things started getting bad

They were a protest thing

A rebellion

[frigid tinsel]

something something Prairie elder spy network

[tranquil harbor]

There IS a piece of art, but I don't know where it is. But it's also because at least half the spirits in tlp strongly echo the elders. Narcisist, Soldier, and Scholar all have very clear connections to the Valley, Wasteland, and Vault elders (Narcisist is even wearing the Valley Elders' clothes! come back as a TS, right now! )

[hushed steeple]

Oh no, it’s no ones fault. My brain just needed a quick break to get a hold of itself before I could continue.

[sly lake]

That's true, Narcissist is wearing an elder clothing knock off. Though they misplaced their shoes!

Is there a guide on which spirits relate to which elder? Besides narcissist.

[tranquil harbor]

I think Narcisist is wearing boots but our kids hate shoes so they ditched them

[hushed steeple]

I see mega bird is preparing another batch of sky kids./j

[raw crypt]

if u need tlp concept art ping me i have it all, i shake my cape and pictures fall out

[sly lake]

Or the skykids are wearing the shoes as gloves.

[tranquil harbor]

they wear actual gloves with that outfit tho

[sly lake]

That was a joke, I saw someone mention that Skykids didn't know what to do with the shoes and started wearing them as gloves instead. It made me laugh!

[compact shale]

speaking of shoes

when will we get shoeless sock pants

[tranquil harbor]

I want my kid to wear the sandals with the ribbon leg straps, gimme

[sly lake]

But the wet sock feeling! /lh

[keen shore]

hmmm…. Something about vault elders portrayed bad trait being isolationism and focusing on their work… they’re like a version of Forest elder but with science and recording info instead of making stufff

[raw crypt]

also i had a few thoughts on the star collector connection with prairie

Prairie elder and star collector, I was initially not sure about it but then I thought more about it. Collecting is often done as a passion project, out of care and love, whether pokemon cards or bottlecaps, theres a clear love for whatevers being collected. And that’s what I think prairie elder was, passionate, a clear love for light creatures, however collecting can get… Warped. Often that comes in when profit gets involved, we saw with the pokemon card boom that people weren’t doing it because they liked it, they did it because it was profitable. I feel in that case it could be comparable to the growing desperation for light and that collecting turning into something sour and not true anymore, there’s no longer a love for light creatures, its now something done for gain, and also something needing protection

often my theories connect multiple ideas, this leans onto the idea that the prophecy virtues connected to the elders, and the missing limb in concepts represented something about their personality, Prairie elder was missing a leg and got the virtue of resilience, but I think they represent a lack of resilience (see the prophecy masks being not symmetrical), as missing a leg could mean they cannot stand up firmly for what they believe for,

so perhaps theyre unable to stick to their guns like isle elder, letting their ‘collection’ of light creatures be turned into something made for profit and gains, a warped version of what they love, and their efforts seemingly more hidden (sanctuary bells being a search and find, withpaths eventually going out of use), leaving them exhausted and fatigued, no longer passionate until the skykids arrive to reignite their passion

[hushed steeple]

In about 35 years , 3 months , 29 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 57 seconds.

[sly lake]

Maybe this connects to the lore tidbit of Flight Guide being Prairie Elders former apprentice? What would make the Guide stop being an apprentice?

[tranquil harbor]

I thought they were a 'former' apprentice because they'd finally completed training and gone off on their own to do wind paths

[sly lake]

That's one take for certain! I'm intrigued by the idea though that perhaps there was a more antagonistic split, causing the two to seperate, if Prairie Elder took a more industrial turn towards light collecting and Flight Guide wanted to preserve a harmonious space between spirits and light creatures.

[keen shore]

Imagining the light creatures that Prairie protects starting to be used in refineries, and although theu hate them getting harmed, they’re afraid to speak up about it in fear that they’ll get exiled as well and their realm will suffer for it. Flight guide does NOT have that same fear

[white junco]

prairie elder… butterfly friend ily

[sly lake]

Prairie Elder has a lot more reputation on the line, and could've even enabled a way for Flight spirits to 'escape' while they (the elder) 'looked' the other way. As a form of protection, and defiance, without technically breaking formation.

[frigid tinsel]

the kingdom was flourishing with the power diamonds, what would become of them if they openly objected? they could see Dawn losing respect during every meeting, every time they raised a concern or mentioned Megabird. neither they nor Daylight were a fighter. the other Elders had weapons. the king had powers that could harm them.

[rigid mural]

GALAXY BRAIN TAKE
YOINKING THAT IDEA

[rigid mural]

YOU !!! YOU GET IT !!! LORE CHAT BANGIN YO

[white junco]

SLINK ILY THANK YOU FOR THE TAKES

[keen shore]

It’s not even just reputation. I don’t think you were here for the conversation I’m gonna mention, so I’ll summarize it for you — a few days ago me and a few others were wondering if isle getting exiled directly contributed to its desertification, why it looks so barren and bleak, and why almsot no one is there. Imagine Prairie having to choose between their morals and keeping the same thing from happening to their realm

[raw crypt]

YESS I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH!!

I think my first ever message in lore chat was about flight guides card about “Has a better vision of a more harmonious life” full circle

CRYING AT ALL THIS, prairie elder,,,,,,,

ALSO TYSM,,;,, 💕

[sly lake]

More to this:
Flight area is in Forest despite clear connections with Prairie in looks, and also Prairie elder.

Perhaps that is a hint as to the timeframe, when Prairie lifestyle started to become more industrialized and less harmonious. Wind Paths are a safe haven in the midst of that?

[keen shore]

prairie elder slides the flight and sanctuary guides money (and light creatures) under the table to help support them.

Wait, imagine flight guide not letting any pro darkstone people use the windpafhs that would be so funny

[sly lake]

Thanks for the summary! I wasn't here earlier, since this is the first time I'm hearing of this conversation. So I appreciate it.

[keen shore]

flight guide is a spy in forest /hj

But, now that I’m thinking about it. Running the wind paths is the best way to get bits of information from other realms…

[compact shale]

Cannoneer: *exists in Wind Paths
Flight Guide: Thank you and (HONK) off (places Cannoneer in a pot and exports them away)

[frigid tinsel]

Flight guide: your boat is powered by darkstone. get out.
"but this is discrimination!"
Fight guide: these are my wind paths, I am free to discrimate who uses them

[keen shore]

I love how they turned into fight guide halfway through. Just beating up anyone not allowed inside

[frigid tinsel]

typos to keep

[rigid mural]

bless this chat

[compact shale]

Now we know who would win the Flight vs Abyss battle

[sly lake]

And with the large flocks of birds and creatures flying through, who's going to see one with a message attached?

[compact shale]

does anyone happen to know WHY Flight Guide x Cannoneer exists?

[frigid tinsel]

blokes will ship anything

[raw crypt]

Thinking abt prairie elder being reinvigorated by this new generation who care about these creatures, who depend on them and they help us back, who can mimic any creature call theyre taught with ease,,, ouaghhh

[lofty void]

IM SORRY??? RUN THAT BY ME AGAIN??!???

[compact shale]

Flight. Guide. x. Cackling. Cannoneer.

that is all.

[white junco]

man

[keen shore]

they would fight. and flight guide would win

[lofty void]

…angloneer is the only ship i can actually see being canon. sorry flightneer fans

[compact shale]

Darkstone users aren't allowed here.

*birds carry Cannoneer off, Cannoneer "accidentally" falls to their death

[keen shore]

flight guides long sleeves hide incredibly buff arms, used for carrying around stone pots full of paint and Also for punching out anyone defending the use of darkstone who tries to enter the wind paths

[lofty void]

NO DONT GIVE ANYONE IDEAS

[raw crypt]

I love how the first thing prairie elder does when seeing a skykid and get their light from them is make a butterfly, they wish to share their gift and appreciation of light creatures with the little guys, also thinking abt how i think the green light calls the mantas gifts from the sky, the same light ayin receives and ouhhhhh

[white junco]

green light is said by a fable to be a gift to the earth from the sky… love

[raw crypt]

lobve..,…,..,

[lofty void]

||brain processing sounds oh, wrong ayin ||

[compact shale]

WHO'S THE OTHER ONE

[sly lake]

Honestly, you say this as a joke, but I do envision that the Flight spirits are likely all pretty fit. Look how much climbing they all have to do!

[lofty void]

Ayin. (derogatory)

[compact shale]

Also Ayin

||just kidding it just HAPPENS to look like them||

[frigid tinsel]

banned

[white junco]

race between the valley spirits riding on mantas vs the flight spirits on birds

[sly lake]

I saw a comic once of Navigator participating in one of the Valley manta races, I wish I could find it!

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder's spy network premise I wrote

[compact shale]

My headcanon is that Navigator is saving up to race in one (entry fee is EXPENSE if you're not a Valley native) and when they do succeed Team Flight's supportive birds will fill half the bleachers

[keen shore]

WOOHOO INKNEW RHIS WAS COMING

[frigid tinsel]

i need to update it to fit Niya in there

[raw crypt]

i need to get back to my 2 storyteller wips (thats a lie its 4) but

Prairie elder 💕💕💕 my friend my everything 😌💕

But aslo getting sad abt thinking abt the elders grieving everything that happened and how they went abt thinbgs, especially with forest elders poem talking abt them weeping and the end talking abt healing and

[frigid tinsel]

I have too many Skyfic ideas. in fact that quip is the premise for a fic

[raw crypt]

ough

[lofty void]

Wait what was the poem on the Valley Elder pin

[raw crypt]

Valley poem!

[tranquil harbor]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/That_Sky_Shop
The wiki has all the poems

[frigid tinsel]

it says Valley Elders

[lofty void]

the valley elders poem sounds like its from the perspective of a sports announcer or something

[tranquil harbor]

My brain tries to sing it tbh