lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

Sorry to interrupt fanfic discussion, but MOR MATH AND CALCULATIONs

[keen shore]

Do you think cannoneer would be famous enough in universe for other spirits to write fan fictions about them. Maybe not as a celebrity, but as a wanted criminal

[undone trench]

Oh no doubt

[tranquil harbor]

lol, he still got hit

[sharp lichen]

Getting sold to Canoneer-

[harsh pecan]

LMAO

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer ascends to the Light and immediately garners a fan club

[raw crypt]

oh speaking of abyss concept art jumpscare

[formal skiff]

Oh Saaaaaleeemmmmmm-

[keen shore]

Unrealistic cannoneer would never give up their money to buy things

[rigid mural]

rendition bc it was so funny that the spear conveniently was here, i could have gone closer without starting the quest but im dramatic

[tranquil harbor]

I want the old manta summoning cave back

[uncut pond]

Takes control of megabird by making every spirit in there become a fan of theirs

[lofty void]

cannoneer is on the fbi’s watchlist

[keen shore]

You’re welcome for the protecting you from the evil spirit who was coming after you :-) wait. That’s what you were doing… right??

[queen forum]

At this point, every spirit we’ve mentioned would be.

[harsh pecan]

What’s the Sky equivalent of the FBI?

[frigid tinsel]

👀 where'd you get that?

[undone trench]

Tsadi

[lofty void]

tsadi

[raw crypt]

https://twitter.com/thatskygamejp/status/1504986447245287424?s=21 Sounds like we may be getting more concept art soon

[compact shale]

I have a feeling that March is one of those people, apocalyptic timeline plot holes aside

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder's spy network

[compact shale]

TGC themselves, apparently

[undone trench]

You hear a knocking on the door, and then it just falls out, the dust settles down and all you see is Tsadi's face with glowing eyes

[frigid tinsel]

chained to the Home Space bel as a method of public shaming
mate that's torture. you know how loud that bell used to be is?

[keen shore]

crab walker was framed. I think the crab whisperer did this actually… after all they have already caused the forgotten ark wreck, the disaster in treasure reef, AND the downfall of the sky kingdom

[harsh pecan]

RIP ears

[rigid mural]

SALEM

[compact shale]

WHAT DISASTER IN TREASURE 🅱️EEF

[queen forum]

You don’t have the TGC clearance for that!

[undone trench]

Crab Whisperer was framed, the caused of the ark crash was the spirit from season of prince

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[keen shore]

Crab whisperer I know that’s you. Stop taking over peoples discord accounts to defend yourself please

[harsh pecan]

What if the spirit from the season of the little prince was framed too

[formal skiff]

Yeah come on Crab Whisperer, we’ve TALKED about this

[undone trench]

I've been waiting for that call for years, I'm not letting Crab Whisperer go without a defense

[sharp lichen]

HOLD UP

[compact shale]

PYTHAGORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

[queen forum]

You guys are all forgetting something. We’ve known this for some time, but all of these people were hired by the Little Prince himself to cause this.

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer did nothing wrong

[keen shore]

Crab whisperer pulling out their phone to type “how to teach crabs how to type on discord” into Google.com

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer shot first

[harsh pecan]

TLP must be punished for the crimes he has committed

[rigid mural]

you guys are mean to crab whisperer, homophobia

[sharp lichen]

The Little Prince is actually the leader of a secret mafia organization that orchestrated the framing of the Crab whisperer to cover up the fact that they did it

[frigid tinsel]

i think Crab Whisperer and Cannoneer would be friends actually

[queen forum]

Impossible. He’s already fled off world. It’ll be impossible to find him at this point.

[compact shale]

i think they'd be alright, except humans have 5 fingers for each side of the board and crabs only have 1

[formal skiff]

COWARD

[harsh pecan]

What was the motive

[tranquil harbor]

Oh no, we unknowingly aided a criminal

[queen forum]

We’ve been played from the very started…

[undone trench]

Unknowingly? You guys weren't aware ?

[harsh pecan]

I don’t the the Sky court will excuse our actions

[keen shore]

I take all of my above messages back I think crab whisperer is very cool and the best spirit actually

[frigid tinsel]

the skykids technically weren't aware they released the leviathan, just encountered some krills

[queen forum]

Wait…you knew? And you let all this happen! Traitor!

[undone trench]

Oh yeah! Obviously! For the King!

[sharp lichen]

They destroyed the Forgotten Ark because it was carrying documents to Tsadi that would reveal their organization. Crab Whisperer was the only one of the enchantment crew who had a previous criminal record (they sold someone to the Valley Elders), and so they became a scapegoat

[uncut pond]

"I don't think we'll be able to gaslight gatekeep girlboss our way out of this one"

[harsh pecan]

Oh wow

[keen shore]

I do not remember typing this message

[compact shale]

yes we can

we need to pour gasoline into our eyes

[queen forum]

[frigid tinsel]

do i add Crab Whisperer to Prairie Elder's spy network in the fic?

[raw crypt]

crab whisperer is my friend

[tranquil harbor]

Will that get them killed by Wasteland Elder?

[formal skiff]

CRAB WHISPERER I KNOW YOU’RE THERE. STOP HOLDING SALEM HOSTAGE. WE NEED THEM.

[sharp lichen]

The King is actually a puppet controlled by the Prince Mafia to try to cause so much angst within the Elders so that they would flee, thus establishing themselves as the ruler of the Sky world

[keen shore]

I can’t believe prairie elders spy network has infiltrated lore chat

[uncut pond]

Oh no you're gonna cause another Heaven Stairway incident

[undone trench]

Crab whisperer was innocent, nothing done wrong

[compact shale]

huh?

[queen forum]

Precisely. The spirits are small fry compared to the Prince…but even he had a master. The Rose. That dreadful flower has been behind all of it from the very start.

[sharp lichen]

The Prince is there as a double agent. The Rose is there as a quartuple agent

[uncut pond]

It's... A long story

[queen forum]

And by letting the prince go back to the Rose, we gave it exactly what it wants…

[sharp lichen]

Prince Mafia vs Ayin Spy Network: who would win?

[rigid mural]

Chest pound emote :]

[formal skiff]

Why is cannoneer not on there

[compact shale]

Because the tierlist hasn't been updated, they'd be there if it was

[harsh pecan]

Wait if the leader of the Prince Mafia left the Sky kingdom then who’s in charge now?

[queen forum]

I would say Prince. He has more control and influence in the higher levels of the Sky hierarchy.

[tranquil harbor]

Did a friend show up while you were doing this?

[frigid tinsel]

Vela caught spying

[queen forum]

…It’s Oreo. He used his cuteness to trick us all.

[harsh pecan]

Dang it seems like everyone’s an undercover agent

[formal skiff]

[sharp lichen]

The entire season is an elaborate ploy to make us think that the Prince is gone, but the reality is that the Rose spirit in the Starlight Desert is actually a fusion of the Prince and Rose, combining their intelligence to become the true mastermind

[tranquil harbor]

The Little Prince used us to fake his death

[undone trench]

The prince was Resh all along

[sharp lichen]

That’s where you’re wrong. Resh was the Prince in a mech suit

[frigid tinsel]

there is the legitimate theory that Prince Alef grew up into King Resh

[tranquil harbor]

Why is it the one time we're absolutely screwing around sky bot doesn't come around to say it's not that deep? This is peak comedic timing

[compact shale]

My personal spirit ranking (based on personality, they're not arranged in order)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790716665037193236/954306059118448640/DH3UJU8TwEKUIACFKAABShAAQr8h4AxFpKUikk2fbBYQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png

Commodore and Cannoneer are in the fear tier
Boatswain and Angler are in the "cool to talk to" tier
Abyss Guide is in the therapy tier

Make your own here
https://tiermaker.com/create/sky-children-of-the-light-spirit-tier-list--606728

edit: well that went wrong

[harsh pecan]

Thanks

[formal skiff]

Fr

[sharp lichen]

SHOOT I NEED TO GO BACK TO MY KRILL WORK

[compact shale]

personal spirit ranking (based on personality) (use open original)

[queen forum]

Well…for now, when it comes to the Prince Mafia and Oreo, all we can do it wait. We lowly Sky kids can’t do anything against Mob Kingpins like them.

[tranquil harbor]

Or it's what they want us to think. What's a king to a mob of honking children

[queen forum]

We’re still children. They’re too clever for us.

[frigid tinsel]

skids are clever children.

[undone trench]

I'm making my version of the spirit tier list

[uncut pond]

Skids outnumber spirits, we can take them down!
When we're together, we can defeat even Megabird itself!

[queen forum]

Perhaps…but you know, there is still one more secret agent who can help us take them down for good.

[compact shale]

Dancing Performer, the Unemployed

[tranquil harbor]

I don't get his memory. He skulks around in the alleyways like a weirdo and suddenly he's teaching skater. Did he see her practicing and decide to help?

[queen forum]

I presume his glory days are behind him and he skulks around because he has nothing left to do, but when he saw someone new trying, he wanted to help and do one more good thing with his life.

[tranquil harbor]

Me: -trying to look at spirit memories-
Other kids, just trying to help: -triggers next memory-

[compact shale]

My headcanon is that they're unemployed and that they were trying to perform for coins with that jar of theirs

[tranquil harbor]

btw, anyone down to stand at strategic points in valley of dreams and snap pics of the sledding quest? Studying timed memories is hard

[frigid tinsel]

not all the spies who went to the Wasteland were killed by Wasteland Elder. some died due to the conditions. a lot were never caught. Crab Whisperer comes to me as keen enough to evade trouble, hence why they lasted in the Wasteland for so long.

[undone trench]

I have returned, and here's my tier list

[compact shale]

what's with prophecy

[sharp lichen]

I GOT IT! KRILLS ATTACK AT 29.42 MPH

[frigid tinsel]

is skids had bones, krill would break them

[undone trench]

Prophecy, that's what's with prophecy

[keen shore]

I am going to teleport behind you and kill you irl for putting prophecy at the bottom /j

[foggy lotus]

...dude

[undone trench]

I REGRET NOT A THING

[tranquil harbor]

How fast do our kids go?

[queen forum]

Hmm. That’s slower than I expected.

[frigid tinsel]

that'd still break some bones

[compact shale]

yea. 29.42 mph isn't exactly the speed of a sports car

[tranquil harbor]

It's still pretty fast though

[formal skiff]

That is
F a s t

Yes ik it’s not that fast as a speed but like, that is fast for something diving at you

[undone trench]

Thankfully Baudshaw didn't saw my tier list, prophecy

[frigid tinsel]

if you get hit by a car ging 30mph, you will have to go to the hospital to get your injuries assessed. now imagine that car has piercing teeth and you got a krill

[compact shale]

i have worse things to show baudy

[queen forum]

Or the morgue.

…Sorry, was that too much?

[tranquil harbor]

Either our kids are made of indistructium, or the winged lights work as magic instant heals at the cost of themselves

[undone trench]

May I ask what ?

[undone trench]

Thats just true tho,

[frigid tinsel]

i do think krill break open the skykid's shell to eat their inner light, but skykids heal very quickly because they still have light. the speed may factor into the krill's ability to break the material skids' shells are made of, though i always accredited the breaking due to infliction of darkness.

hence why skykids don't break when crashing into solid objects at high speeds that may be faster and more forceful than a krill's attack, but krill, due to piercing darkness, can break them.

[compact shale]

or that bonk damage still exists canonically but it's too infuriating to actually re-impliment

[queen forum]

If we took damage every time we flew into something, we’d be dead in a few minutes.

[compact shale]

yeah, the valley first slide down was apparently a death zone back then

[queen forum]

Basically Sky children inside a pinball machine.

[tranquil harbor]

Cave of Death Cave of Death Cave of Death

[frigid tinsel]

bodies of wiped out skykids lying dazed at the finish line

[sharp lichen]

True: some real life animals dive at 300 mph.

[keen shore]

that’s why we get the candles afterwards :-)

[tranquil harbor]

to pay our hospital fees

[queen forum]

Proud Victor all over again! We’ve come full circle.

[mossy mortar]

[sharp lichen]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[compact shale]

PEREGRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FALCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNN

[undone trench]

OH UH

[sharp lichen]

Here it is. Notice that Sah is at the very top. This is probably due to the fact that the they’re probably the most powerful being

[tranquil harbor]

This is how you summon Mekh into this reality to personally beat you up for daring to imply they're not as great as their twin

[undone trench]

Oh hey I'm still alive, even after saying prophecy spirits are the worse!

[sharp lichen]

Not for long! Explain why and I’ll let you go. If not, I’m throwing you into the fire trial

[undone trench]

Oh, I'll example, and also, fire trial ? It's not that bad, why would it be bad instead of being a reward

[sharp lichen]

You’ll never escape under my watch! Now tell me

[tranquil harbor]

People who regularly do fire trial alone are to be feared

[undone trench]

1- The seasonal area is small and feels empty, the only major things are the murals on the ceiling,
2- The items where rather Lame and Underwhelming, and there was such a low quantity of them,
3- The trials aren't that fun or entertaining and have low reward,

And as it's my first season I should have a biased view, and now your turn, why is fire trial so bad instead of being a reward?

[midnight monolith]

fire trial is hell incarnate, change my mind

[tranquil harbor]

It's just one floor too long

[undone trench]

As someone who seriously needed glasses and only got some today, walking around blinded and trying to avoid danger is daily routine

[midnight monolith]

i am a stubborn man

[frigid tinsel]

Fire Trial is supposed to teach resilience courage

[rigid mural]

fire trial is not that bad when you got someone with you tbh, raider's a pro at that so i just let them do it for me usually but i managed to finish that trial while leading someone else

i find it interesting that the lion mask is used, they pointed out that the prophecy masks looked like ancient african masks. in the old traditions of some african cultures, lions had to be defeated to prove your worth as an adult, so maybe the animals dont represent the elements but the trial itself, that you'd have to defeat to prove your patience, resilience, balance or courage.

[rigid mural]

courage ! resilience is earth

[frigid tinsel]

whoops, misremembered. thanks for the correction

[sharp lichen]

1. L, the Cave of Prophecies is well-detailed and concise; making it big would spoil the design.
2. Ratio: How dare you disrespect the furry masks. And you don’t need 6 masks, 4 is enough.
3. Fatherless, they’re one of the most difficult and enjoyable aspects of Sky.
4. No maidens, the Fire Trial has lots of candles as its reward.

[undone trench]

Did you...

[midnight monolith]

the dark light is scary tho

[sharp lichen]

You’ll have to be more courageous then to face them!

[frigid tinsel]

hence teaching courage. courage isn't being fearless but braving the things you're afraid of despite your fear

[midnight monolith]

i will become buff moth

[rigid mural]

omg abyss moth

[compact shale]

*courageous screaming

[harsh pecan]

it’s “empty” because it’s a cave also can you explain why the cosmetics are lame and underwhelming?

[frigid tinsel]

once a kid asked me to complete the Fire Trial with them cos they hadn't been able to finish it due to their fear of the dark. i didn't know any glitches yet so we couldn't skip through it. the kid asked for hugs a few times along the way, but they completed the trial. at the end, they jumped around eliminating the worms. kid was courageous.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not scared of the fire trial. The issue is that is tests my patience when it's not the trial of patience

[midnight monolith]

i just found out about the Stretching Guru and there are only 2 days left

[queen forum]

That is precious.

[compact shale]

what would you say is harder, trials or abyss?

[tranquil harbor]

Trials

[keen shore]

Trials definitely. Abyss isn’t really hard

[frigid tinsel]

devs got krilled during the last livestream doing the fourth quest

[midnight monolith]

ha

[tranquil harbor]

Abyss is certainly cooler. TGC went off on that 5th quest geez. But trials are fun

[sharp lichen]

Trials are the only hard part about Sky- and they’re only hard relative to everything else

[compact shale]

which dev

[undone trench]

Abyss, I have a strong fear of seas

[frigid tinsel]

i don't remember their names or their roles

[queen forum]

Apart from the path to Eden for the first time.

[sharp lichen]

Hmm, I’d still say that the Trials are harder the first time.

[pastel brook]

we have many trials ahead of us

[keen shore]

The only aspect of the game that has scared me is how… encouraged? pushed? you are to make friends to continue. Whenever people try to light me I start running. Scarier than the trial of fire

[tranquil harbor]

Skybot spoilers are against the rules

[sharp lichen]

The only trials are the ones that involve getting rid of you /srs

[frigid tinsel]

lmao after Flight and Abyss, we need a chill season

[keen shore]

I disagree I want things to be 100% cool and dramatic all the time /j

[midnight monolith]

I'm more of a solo player too

[undone trench]

Still waiting for the season where I can 1v1 a Krill

[harsh pecan]

y e s

[tranquil harbor]

I'm fine with dramatic seasons like Abyss that teach us lore, but I also like chill seasons that teach us culture. Lore isn't just 'backstory', it's the world itself

[frigid tinsel]

i think season plotlines can still be cool and dramatic but not oh-god-i'm-gonna-die and the-ancestors-sanctioned-animal-abuse dramatic

[keen shore]

I want a season that teaches us all of these things personally

[undone trench]

Don't be mean to skybot

[sharp lichen]

Honestly, even if I’m introverted in real life, I have no problem with lighting people up. I even like lighting others and befriending them.

It’s the idea of sonder: I want to hear the unique stories that people have experienced in Sky

[queen forum]

I’m more…back and forth when it comes to making new friends. Sometimes I love to meet new people, other times I just want to CR in peace. It’s hard to explain.

[harsh pecan]

Why not

[midnight monolith]

i light people to see what they look like then just leave

[undone trench]

I want to make friends but instead of actually trying to I just sit back and watch everyone

[frigid tinsel]

i light people cos unlit skids aren't photogenic

[midnight monolith]

very grey and non-sky

[keen shore]

I use my assembly torch as a proxy candle to recharge people when I don’t want them to light me. I do this a lot in wasteland

[harsh pecan]

You can find friends in some of the channels here

[queen forum]

Same. I leave that square fire box (whatever it’s called) all over when I’m playing.

[undone trench]

Nah, too lazy

[midnight monolith]

mmmm krill ( didn't remove ping my bad )

the on/off reply ping

[compact shale]

implying that Flight WASN'T chill?

[tranquil harbor]

not at the end but it also wasn't hype enough

[frigid tinsel]

it was chill at first, then darkness came

[keen shore]

just like sky kingdom as a whole

[sharp lichen]

Flight was mostly chill tbh. I measure chill-ness due to how easy the location is to explore

[midnight monolith]

i just started playing and my friend who's been playing for two years is always tryna teach me about everything in the game, it's annoying and cute

[undone trench]

First time entering wind paths is all so mesmerizing

[sharp lichen]

Sanctuary is chill, Ark isn’t that chill, Prophecy Caves are middling, Village of Dreams is middling as well, Treehouse is chill, and the Treasure Reef is non-chill

[compact shale]

Dreams is middling?

[frigid tinsel]

all the seasons I've experienced so far did not rank high on the chill meter. TLP dealt with existential questions and sent us to Eden. Flight was nice and pleasant but saw the wind paths flood with darkness and light creatures hurt. Abyss was... well, gestures to everything that is the Treasure Reef

[queen forum]

Based on this pattern, I predict the next season will be chill.

[undone trench]

I hope not, i want the thrill!

[sharp lichen]

The season itself is exciting and thrilling, and the area is stressful to navigate

[compact shale]

stressful?

[undone trench]

I remember my first day in dream, leading my friends cuz I'm the one that watches beta videos, trying to find those spirits ugh,

[keen shore]

unrelated question. from what I remember the first flight quest opens saying the guide has been waiting for us to arrive… how did they Know we were coming

[sharp lichen]

The boats are annoying to turn on, making it slow to get to Hermit Valley

[rigid mural]

distant honks

[frigid tinsel]

messenger bird?

[queen forum]

I presume they saw us falling from the sky from afar?

[compact shale]

There are implications that skykids have fallen before and/or that ancestors know how to see it coming

[keen shore]

“Ahhh I hate being stuck on this world unable to ascend… I hope what ever is honking over there will help us…” [pauses to listen to honks] “I think it’s a goose…”

[frigid tinsel]

but the spirits were petrified, secluded in darkness. were they aware of what was going on around them?
okay granted the guides aren't petrified but i've always assumed they were too. it's odd given there aren't spirits who were never petrified when the vast majority of them were

[compact shale]

maybe they broke out of their shells with the sheer force of their will? /hj

[keen shore]

It would be really sweet and kinda sad if the guides weren’t petrified. They can technically ascend, but they want to stick around to make sure their friends are safe and to guide you through helping them

[rigid mural]

i like to think the questgivers are the first spirits to go down; being the first buried, they kinda have the role of a shepherd to the souls buried after them, maybe the other spirits have to be saved because they werent given a proper burial like the questgiver

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve taken that the guides were the first spirits the skykids reawakened thus have an attachment

[compact shale]

seems kinda disproportionate to be doomed with being trapped in the world because you weren't inserted in the ground right

[keen shore]

Can you imagine if instead of reliving spirit memories, we had to help them by finding and properly burying their bones

[rigid mural]

makes sense that the assembly spirits would lose coherence without their guide, as well as the flight crew being demoralized and more likely to be caught in their own trauma if their guide bit the dust first

kinda angsty headcanon tho, and a bit dark at that

[queen forum]

I mean, how you’re buried is a pretty big thing in many ancient cultures. And Sky borrowed things from quite a few. It wouldn’t be that big a stretch.

[frigid tinsel]

suppose that’s a question of how soon they were petrified after dying and what happened to them as spirits. As spirits, how much did they interact with the living ancestors?

[compact shale]

Ash has said that the guide is the leader/guide to the spirits as well

Except for the Abyss Guide, who is the SKYKID'S guide

[rigid mural]

my headcanon is based off the belief the first soul buried in a cemetery is tasked to act as a psychopomp for the nexxt souls, hence why some churches buried an animal first so no human got stuck doing that job instead of going to the afterlife

[rigid mural]

abyss guide holds a map
abyss guide may not be the captain, but in a way, being the map holder, they do guide the crew

[compact shale]

Imagine if a squirrel determined your fate

"you stepped on my wife so you're gonna go to hell"

[frigid tinsel]

Clingy Cartographer

[keen shore]

The only thing odd to me about this headcanon is that, if they could stick around after death like they do for us, why not just manifest for their friends as well ? It is really hard to explain why they’re the only ones who didn’t petrifyin general

[compact shale]

Spirits who come down ascend first

Abyss guide didn't ascend for whatever reason

[rigid mural]

maybe they and their friends got unfinished business

[keen shore]

Oh yeah good point fruity, some of them don’t ascend even After we help their friends which is equally weird to explain

[rigid mural]

they wanna hang out with us :]

[compact shale]

Assuming the memory wipe theory is true, Abyss Guide can't ascend yet because they weren't wiped like the others and still have to deal with the trauma of the original timeline

[keen shore]

If trauma kept spirits from ascending then RIP tearful light miner guess you’re stuck here forever /j

[frigid tinsel]

Imagining Flight guide losing track of the spirits of their friends (cos they all got petrified), sitting alone in the clouded over wind paths, the ruination of their work, for ages

[compact shale]

It CAN be a factor preventing ascension

don't worry we probably eventually administered the therapy for them at one point, but since they're a basegame spirit, we won't really get to see that

Don't worry when I plan their side story I'll keep that in mind

[queen forum]

So you’re saying they’re the navigational officer? If so, they might not have ascended because they felt guilty that since they technically brought them here by guiding them here, they were responsible for what happened to Cannoneer and all that.

Does that possibly make sense?

[compact shale]

That could be a factor into their trauma, yes

[rigid mural]

thats why the devs implemented the hug mechanic, i try to go and hug them as often as possible when i visit, they are just too precious

[keen shore]

Still mad we haven’t gotten to hug abyss guide yet

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps Abyss guide isn’t a hugger but a gifted

[compact shale]

maybe they're not the type

[undone trench]

Still mad we can't hug normal spirits

[queen forum]

At least we can hug grandma...

[keen shore]

I am utterly exhausted and need to sleep but I will be trying to think of guide head canons tonight

[frigid tinsel]

I call Abyss guide Mar (Spanish for "sea")

and deemed them the Clingy Cartographer cos they're present in each of the Abyss spirits' memories like they're following them, so clingy

[compact shale]

well

tis a pirate trainin session

[queen forum]

Yar har, fiddle de de…being a pirate is alright with me!

[keen shore]

I like to imagine they’re really sweet and just want to get along with everything, so they basically got adopted into the crew

I like hugging flight guide because they’re one of the few spirits short enough for us to not just hug their waist

[queen forum]

I wonder if we’ll ever meet a spirit as small as us. Like, an actual child from that time.

[frigid tinsel]

even ancestor toddlers seem as big as a moth

[queen forum]

True…I guess they were just a naturally tall species?

[tranquil harbor]

The Confident Sightseer in Valley has a kid in her memories

[queen forum]

Ah, true. And I suppose the little Prince might count. He was a child himself. Even if he wasn’t a traditional spirit.

[frigid tinsel]

The Little Prince is an alien to the Sky world

[white junco]

the dreams skater isn’t much taller than skykids, so i’d imagine ancestor kids younger than them would be about our height

[queen forum]

True. I’d think Dreams Skater was close to a teenager in age.

[compact shale]

hc that they're 11-12 years old

tween

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids are around a 5-6 year old human's height. Chibis, also referred to as 'babies' are the correct height for a human toddler. They may be equivalent. In which case skater is like 10

[frigid tinsel]

skykids can't get taller than that though (max height is 3'10")

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah but they're kids, even if they get tall. I'm beginning to wonder if max height being 'adult' height is just the kids feeling grown up because they're so tall now

[compact shale]

Like when a kid finds their mom's high heels and goes "LOOK! I'M SOOO GROWN UP JUST LIKE MAMA! I'M GONNA ANSWER PHONE CALLS AND *trips on heels"

[tranquil harbor]

yep

[rigid mural]

Didn't someone find out giant height potions said they gave you adult height

[white junco]

they do

[hushed steeple]

This may not be directly related to the lore per-say
But I think I've noticed something important with seasons in the game

There may be a pattern with seasons corresponding to their respective realms.

This specifically goes along with seasons that have a singular designated realm, so it probably doesn't include gratitude, light seekers, belonging, and rhythm.

So I've noticed a general theme/presentation(to put it in simple words) with seasons and realms. What I mean by this is, we may be able to tell if a season will contain any lore or be lore oriented(like prophecy) before the season starts.

Let me give an example with golden wasteland seasons.
Prophecy was oriented around the story of some people sort of. But not a lot. There was obvious lore presented in the season as well as some strands of lore in the quests, such as the locations of the lights and what they do.
Abyss had a story, but also obvious lore, it seemed centered around some people trapped in a krill ridden area. But there was lore presented to us in the season and quests, the diamonds and the murals.

Golden wasteland holds stories of becoming stranded but also has lore presented along side it.

But the hidden forest is different
Assembly was about some kids helping each other out with a tree house, that was the main focus, but it also brought about a new feature, shared spaces.
Flight was about a group of people helping each other fix up the wind paths. That was the main focus. But it also brought a new feature, the wind paths.

This means that the hidden forest seasons are about community and helping each other out. But new features(whether big or small) come along with them.

[rigid mural]

And even giant "adult" skids are below to average height to ancestors

[hushed steeple]

With this, I am going to attempt to provide what I believe the other realms will hold for us. Some of these I will be confident in and some I won't be.

Isle is completely lore oriented, no doubt about it.

Prairie seems to be about caring for nature and spending time with everything outside. It also seems to bring about new species and/or variants of light creatures which can hold a little bit of lore in the long run, I'll be sure to keep my eye out for those.

Valley is about entertainment and fun, but most importantly, having hope and dreams and reaching out for your goals in the long run.

Vault......
Completely clueless, the only season we've had here is da Lil prince and that was a collab season. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[white junco]

I like your interpretation of forest, the forest seasons definitely feel like they were meant to connect people across the realm and world of sky. And it definitely contrasts with the forest elder, who seems to be very reclusive and a loner. Not sure why that contrast is there but it's something to think about

[rigid mural]

Probably because seasons are made to fit the realm themes ! You will notice both forest seasons introduce a bunch of shortcuts that can make the realm more labyrinthic, and both abyss seasons have spirits that survive rough conditions.

From then on, you can try to guess prairie seasons will be a bit more light-hearted, Valley seasons will be bright and exciting, vault seasons will be a bit oniric and so on.

[keen shore]

I want to see if I can figure out where some of the seasonal spirits whose origins are “foggy” - for example all of the seasons before enchantment, even enchantment itself, came from. It might help prove/disprove that theory.

My current ideas are

• Enchantment spirits are from isle, MAYBE vault
• gratitude spirits are from isle
• lightseekers are from forest
• belonging family is foggy, but I’m thinking valley for them
• rhythm spirits are also from valley
• flight spirits are from prairie [I think everyone here knows this already, it’s fairly obvious, but just as a clarification because we do access the area from forest]

I can explain any of these btw

I desperately want more vault lore that’s not a collab season. We don’t know anything about vault culture at all

[hushed steeple]

So I said it doesn't apply to the first four seasons of sky, gratitude-rhythm, since those spirits weren't fixed in a singular realm. And I'm talking about where the season takes place, not where the spirits are from

With this we might be able to predict if a season will add more lore or a new major feature. Diving was the exception since it was required for the season.

Wait, I take that back. Wasteland seasons also add new features.

[keen shore]

I know you said that, I’m just curious to see if the theme continues. Plus I want to know where they are from originally for curiosity’s sake

[compact shale]

Same.

Season of Literacy, where we learn what Sky's language means ("literacy is a curse" is a joke so ignore it)
Season of... Opening Memory Cubes

hmmm idk what vault could do

maybe it will give us the most explicit lore (as explicit as sky can get)

[hushed steeple]

If you look in the trailer for the switch, I think it shows us that enchantment is from isle B.Dt
Before Desertification.

[raw crypt]

next wasteland season introduces pvp lets go /j

[frigid tinsel]

I need the Vault elevator to go down

[undone trench]

If each wasteland season brings a new feature, sooner or later they'll have to add krills as rides like the emote

[queen forum]

Vault could be the season of Mysteries! A mystery season with the quests set inside the Vault to find out lore would fit perfect with the atmosphere!

[compact shale]

torch is now a melee weapon

[keen shore]

I know! I’m the one who originally connected the tents there to the ones on the ark and told you, as far as I know. But I disagree, I think if (BIG IF) isle desertification happened before the disaster, ench would happen after it, just because there’s such a strong split in pre des culture (proph, maybe gratitude) and post (ench)

[compact shale]

What if in a Prairie season
one of the spirits gives us the ability to pat animals

[hushed steeple]

I kinda like the idea that vaults desert could cause people to lose their memories. And they end up forgetting who they are, but retain their personality.

That is just imagination though, I have no evidence that it could do that.

[livid pelican]

Desert??

OHHHH YOU MEAN STARLIGHT DESERT

[hushed steeple]

Isle used to have life, now it has nearly none, that makes it a desert now

And no not starlight desert

[keen shore]

Although, this is a weird idea, but what if it’s the other way around? Animal masks helping to keep the sand and sun glare out of eyes, less vivid colors because all the flowers used to dye things dried up…

[livid pelican]

Oh- I guess I could see that.

[compact shale]

I've written a thing about how the TLP stuff is an illusion hiding the true nature of Starlight Desert

The true nature being the final obstacle of Eden, a desert of judgement whose purple light will create illusions that manifest as your worst sins and traits, trapping you in them, tempting you, making you feel hopeless, until you die, and since you didn't ascend, you're trapped there.

[hushed steeple]

OOOH WAIT YOURE RESPONDING TO SOMETHING ELSE.

[hushed steeple]

No no no no no
I thought you were responding to something else, youre right.

[livid pelican]

B r u h

[livid pelican]

I mean... I immediately figured that out when I relieved the spirits of Season of the Little Prince.

[hushed steeple]

I also wrote a thing about that. Some things are a bit out dated on it now, but the fact still stands.
Starlight desert(or at least what we see) is an insane asylum

[keen shore]

After isle turned into a desert it became too hot to wear fursuits in and that’s why the ench spirits don’t have animal masks 💔

[hushed steeple]

Deserts don't have to be hot, I personally believe its got a nice breeze and feels just right on the skin

[compact shale]

yep, they're trapped in their vices, brought out by the purple light illusions. (the last part applies in my version)

I'm not saying that version of Starlight Desert is canon or even a theory, TLP is the most "up to interpretation" of all the "up to interpretation" Sky is

[undone trench]

The antarctic or some place like that Is also considered a desert, so maybe

[keen shore]

good point [puts fursuit back on]

[raw crypt]

I love having thoughts but not the words, I just think it’s interesting that Enchantment is about restoration, and inadvertently during Abyss you help restore the reef population, something something that even though things are really bad in wasteland theres small things you can do to restore things one thing at a time, especially since the realm is associated with adulthood which those r ppl we depend on help change and improve things, stuff sucks but u can still help, big or small, on purpose or inadvertently, shout out to wasteland seasons, i know a lot of the seasons have restoration themes but the fact that it’s applicable to wasteland, that the first quest based season was about that in wasteland makes me feel a way <3

[keen shore]

the theme in sky where you can repair things to an extent but they will always be damaged is just Yes

[livid pelican]

Starlight Desert literally says as a description: "When dreams and reality collide"

[compact shale]

not the exact words but yeah that's right

[hushed steeple]

Sky is a game that should be used it a class about the truth of life. A class to prepare us for the future.

[frigid tinsel]

I'm starting to think that the skykids' purpose isn't restoration but rather recovery.

I just finished all the quests for the forgotten ark and I'll show screenshots but this is place is so beautiful. Of course, all of Sky is beautiful. But I've found the wasteland only picturesque in a morbid way with its desolation and horror. The forgotten ark fit that theme well until you start doing the quests.

I started the quests expecting to find answers to what happened to the ark or why the Golden Wasteland is such a barren hellscape. The first quest reveals some lore encoded in those hieroglyphs I'm starting to despise for their obscurity, but maybe that's the point. Maybe that's not what we're supposed to be so focused on, drawing conclusions about and from the past. Because as you start completing the quests, life starts returning to the ark. The water turns blue and bears fish, flowers and grass grow, sunlight breaks through the clouds, birds and butterflies populate the area. The spirits even begin decorating the place.

The ark remains broken and upturned in the sand, even it's oars flap uselessly in the newfangled wind. The past failed. The ancient civilization fell. The skykids were sent to rescue those who perished in those final days so they can ascend to Orbit. When we go to Orbit, we are instead reborn and sent back to the ground.

Perhaps us skykids inherited this land from our ancestors. Perhaps we are meant to learn from their mistakes – not rebuild them, not to restore their peoples to their former glory, but create a future for ourselves in the ruin. To make the ruins less desolate, to construct our own civilization full of that glee and excitement that comes from childhood. Of course that childhood innocence won't last and it shouldn't. In naïveté will the sins that toppled the ancestors plague this new era. We are to grow up, be cautious, yet nevertheless succeed and want that success to flourish.
(Oct 2021)

[livid pelican]

I love this theory

[frigid tinsel]

I use "restoration" to mean to return to how something originally was. I use "recovery" to mean to improve after deteriorating in some way but does not inherently mean back to its original state.

A way to see this difference is in response to a natural disaster. After a town is devastated by a storm, humans coalesce to rebuild so people can go back to their homes. Individuals claim their boundaries and laws & deeds assert the validity of their properties. They call the town by the same name. That's restoration.

A forest fire leaves the region barren. Seedlings sprout from the nutrient-rich ash. Rains hydrate the earth. A new generation of animals nest in the new flora. You would not be able to find the exact same paths and hideaways of the old forest like the structured roads of a town, but you can forge new ones in the forest. That's recovery.

[raw crypt]

RECOVERY IS THE WORD, i mix my words up BUT YES YOU GET IT!!

It means a lot to me, sky being about recovery, theres a lot of thoughts i have abt it but auhdhhdg words hard

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, I think that ever since I've started playing sky, things have felt better in my life, sure high school still sucks, but I can finally see the end of the terrible pain I've been feeling in my head, and while it won't be completely gone, it'll be at the back of my mind.

Did I go through a mid life crisis in middle school and high school? I dunno.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

tbf "recovery" and "restoration" are effectively synonyms though the connotation is less concrete

[compact shale]

Alternate timeline where Sky was created as an experiment/therapy game

[raw crypt]

SKYBOT DONT BE RUDE IM BEING EMOTIONAL OVER SKY </3

and ahhh
english is my first language but do i get it? absolutely not

[hushed steeple]

I AM HAVING A DEEP MOMENT SKYBOT COULD YOU PLEASE RESPECT MY COPING MECHANISMS!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

Disrespectful

[compact shale]

Where are you at here

[keen shore]

The general idea of recovery in this context and just learning to work with the destroyed bits of the world really gets me, because as someone with a chronic illness, that’s basically what I have to do with m health daily.

Sorry, it’s really hard to form words, it just makes me emotional as a concept

[undone trench]

Ight now I'll allow you bunch to be mean to skybot, won't complain for now,

[frigid tinsel]

the water in front of the Treehouse. there's an invisible barrier but it's just void down there

[hushed steeple]

Sky bot doesn't want us to be emotional and cope with our problems, I'll have to bring that up with the mods.

[keen shore]

Like, today I had a good day. It wasn’t perfect and I still couldn’t do a lot of things, but I tried to work with it and do what I could, and try to not make myself feel guilty over the things I couldn’t do. That’s the general idea of why I relate to it so much

[hushed steeple]

The only problem that keeps me from getting better to the point that I'm happy with is all the people that have been set around me that just don't seem to care about my thoughts and feelings, and I literally can't escape this till college.

[compact shale]

AU where Sky was deliberately created to be a therapy game/experiment

there's this plot in Cats are Liquid where ||the cats suffered some sort of trauma, were sent into a world they could change, and they were supposed to leave once they got better, but the protagonist cat couldn't realize this||

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I just remembered something I wanted to share. There is a pot in prairies temple that has scratch marks on it, I have seen a single other pot like that in sky.

[frigid tinsel]

a sentiment found in the disability movement is that we don't have to match the standards society expects of us. those standards are social constructs and can even fail able-bodyminded people, why should us disabled folk who can't achieve them seek happiness in them? instead we should mark off our own wellbeing, find what we can achieve that satisfies us, and find happiness in it

[hushed steeple]

Us disabled people need to create social constructs that causes able bodied people to completely fail and have to drop out of school./j

[keen shore]

definitely yeah. I was able to clean my bathroom today and that was what made me happy. I can see how others would see it as a low bar to meet, but for me it made my day, because it was the best I could do, I’ve been wanting to do it for a while but couldn’t, and so cleaning my bathroom was a major accomplishment

[frigid tinsel]

I got out of bed. granted i got out of bed at 3pm but i got out of bed.

[compact shale]

The bathroom is the place where secrets are kept. /hj

[hushed steeple]

I got to watch a Minecraft series that has now made me feel much more mentally prepared for college.

Oh, did you know that the manta that crushes the rocks in flight

IS A BLIND MANTA

LIKE THE ONES WE SAW IN SANCTUARY!!!!!

[compact shale]

BLIND?!

[hushed steeple]

YES!!!!

THIS SPECIES!!!!!!!!

[compact shale]

The true echolocators of Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

it's unlikely a fly species would be blind

[hushed steeple]

They more so float, like swimming in the sky, rather than fly.

[frigid tinsel]

Still airborne. Flying also has very similar dynamics to swimming in water, it’s literally swimming in air.

[tranquil harbor]

Either way, bats exist, and I'm pretty sure their eyesight sucks

[undone trench]

Maybe they got ecolocation

[hushed steeple]

I heard that might not work in the sky, but there are other ways for them to see while being blind.

[frigid tinsel]

Bats aren’t blind. Some species have poor eyesight but they’re not blind

[compact shale]

never heard of those

[queen forum]

They actually have pretty good eyesight that’s adapted to helping them see in the dark. They just use echolocation for other stuff.

[hushed steeple]

Sharks use electro location I believe

[frigid tinsel]

But they also see

basically in nature, if it has eyes, it has sight.

[hushed steeple]

Ok, and? There's a type of sea creature that has great eye sight and uses ecolocation
(Was it belugawhale?)
And you said that bats also use ecolocation but have good eyes.

[queen forum]

Dolphins!

[undone trench]

Just because it has eyes doesn't mean it has to use it as the only way of location and sight

[hushed steeple]

And also
Just because it swims in the air doesn't mean it can't be blind. Its a fictional creature for orbits sake.

[keen shore]

I have this maybe idea that having light in or as part of you gives you sight by default.

Even skykids don’t have formed anatomical eyes in the way humans do, but they can still see. Some creatures (like crabs) do have eyes, but most don’t, at least not ones similar to eyes as they exist in our world. Some mantas have a Diamond on their head that could work as an eye, but it’s constantly angled downwards, giving them no way to see what’s above them. Maybe being partially light just,.. lets you see? I don’t know if it’s the light itself because krill seem to work fine, but I’m not sure what else it could be

[frigid tinsel]

i'm not saying they only utilize sight or one other means of navigating the world. these can supplement each other, which they often do.

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm ok
Also I feel I should note that when I mentioned" blind manta from sanctuary " to Ash, they immediately knew which one I was talking about.

[undone trench]

I though that things name was just " manta "

[white junco]

santuary guide named them Woo, it's true they told me themselves

[hushed steeple]

Thats the name for the general species as a whole. There are tons of variation to them.

[keen shore]

I imagine it as less sight as we think of, and more like if you have light, you have this instinctual ability to sense other light. In the sky world where almost everything is light, extending to sunlight, the creatures and plants around them, and so on, it would be just as good of a sense as seeing would in that scenario, with little functional differences.

This would fall away in places like GW where there’s so much corruption and darkness that there’s not much to see, hence why the manta there circled around looking confused and didn’t know to hide from the krill. It would also imply that these light creatures without eyes may not be able to sense things like color, which is a little weird because I doubt that extends to us and ancestors, but given that color is basically just different sized light waves they might be able to see that as well

[undone trench]

Is there any more kinds ? There's manta, spirit manta and blind manta

[hushed steeple]

There's two, why doesn't the other have a name as well.

[white junco]

I forgot to ask them 😔

[keen shore]

The sanctuary guide only thinks there’s one because they haven’t seen both at the same time yet, both are named Woo

[undone trench]

Wait there's 2 ?

[hushed steeple]

Tiny blind manta, forest manta which became stunted due to the conditions, or at the very least couldn't grow as large.
Valley manta have slightly longer wings.
Abyss manta have special hind fins.
Etc, etc

[keen shore]

Can we stop calling them blind manta since it’s not confirmed yet? It feels like a misnomer

[undone trench]

Tiny blind manta, forest manta, valley manta and abyss manta don't look there same ?!

[hushed steeple]

I mean Ash kinda confirmed it.

[white junco]

wait I'm confused why are they blind

[hushed steeple]

Tiny manta are definitely different.
But the others have variation. But to a blind eye, they look exactly the same.

[hushed steeple]

They don't have eyes like all other light creatures do. This is one of two instances of this occurring.

[undone trench]

Oh my, I need to catch up with my manta lore, thankfully there's only 2 jellyfish types

[keen shore]

Could be a situation like the king krill, where it’s not technically a krill but is commonly called that because that’s what the first people who saw it called it. It just doesn’t make sense for it to be blind in the traditional sense

[hushed steeple]

4 if you include the various sizes.

[white junco]

ok so, referring to mantas as "blind mantas" implies that some mantas do have eyes, but I don't recall seeing eyes on any mantas recently?

[hushed steeple]

Its a manta, confirmed by Ash. And all other light creatures have glowing eyes, excluding whales and giant manta not manta thingy in sanctuary because we aren't even supposed to see their faces. Where as with all other light creatures we can see their faces.

[tranquil harbor]

Can you find the confirmation? I wanna seeeeeeee

[undone trench]

Wait which whale, the ones we see at orbit and forest or the Elder Manta we see swimming around sanc?

[hushed steeple]

Its on the top and bottom of their heads. It glows bright white so I don't entirely blame you, but just saying its completely surrounded by gold accents.

[white junco]

the... diamond things?

[hushed steeple]

Both.

[undone trench]

But the bones at forest seems to indicate the whales we see at forest and orbit have eyes,

[keen shore]

I would also love to see the confirmation as I do not remember it :3c @hushed steeple

[tranquil harbor]

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT WHO TOLD THE TS THE NICE STORIES (I'm sorry, I got excited)

[undone trench]

Oh and also, spirit manta seems to have an eye as a round shaped thing on the top of its head

[hushed steeple]

I CANT SEARCH FOR ASH IN THE DISCORD SEARCH BAR!!!!!!

[keen shore]

WJO WAS IT

[tranquil harbor]

Their username is actually Ashen

Gratitude quest giver, fresh from days of fortune and love. Someone else thought it was another TS (Either Raider or Vela)

[hushed steeple]

They do, but when you oob you don't see them because the devs didn't add them because we aren't supposed to see them that close.

[white junco]

then how would we know that they have eyes?

[undone trench]

Now I wonder what those hole like indents on their skull is

[white junco]

might be cracks in the skull? or the mouth, not sure.
though looking at it, it reminds me an awful lot of the wasteland elder's mask

[undone trench]

Wait is there any light creatures that Have eyes

[queen forum]

…Do Sky kids count?

[undone trench]

To some extent

[hushed steeple]

I like the double wing manta too!! we were really excited to introduce a bunch of new light creatures in Sanctuary. as far as the actual count, i'd have to go in and count myself as im not sure off the top of my head! (Jan 20, 2022, 8:07 PM

I'm really sorry but I don't know how to link it or anything on a tablet, this was the best I could do to show you guys.
You can look for it yourselves to see that I'm telling the truth.

[hushed steeple]

Most do, you can even see it on the bird accessory.

[undone trench]

Oh yeah, birds, forgot those

[white junco]

here's the message link! :) #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

[tranquil harbor]

Caveat: You said 'giant blind manta'

[hushed steeple]

And? There's a giant light creature right around the borders too.

[frigid tinsel]

Ash corrected you and said "double wing manta" not "blind manta"

[tranquil harbor]

Is it a manta though

[white junco]

the big sanctuary critter? pretty sure they're a type of whale

[undone trench]

The elder manta?

[white junco]

the large friend of unclear origin that jumps around the border

[hushed steeple]

Maybe I was too specific. But I know that TGC wouldn't not give a creature eyes just because. They had a reason, that much is clear. And what other reason than to show its blind. And I never said the big light creature was a manta

Y'know what, you guys are offending me and my imaginary pets so I'm leaving.(/j)

Let me get one thing straight, and I mean this in as nice a tone as possible. I have spent so much time into studying the creatures of sky. I have a great idea of what I'm saying, and I know a fair lot about actual biology, at least enough to know, THIS MANTA IS BLIND AS FROG!!!!

[kindred path]

is there somewhere to read the whole story of sky?

[keen shore]

god I wish

[hushed steeple]

I don't think so, im sure one of us is working on that book though.

[compact shale]

There's a lot of things we talk about here so if you want to ask about the lore it's best to ask about a specific topic such as a particular season, something unusual you've noticed that might be important, or a particular theme the game has

You can also check the docs in the pins!

Hoo boy no way are we gonna explain EVERYTHING without you falling asleep at some point

But here's a very abridged version of the main story

The king screwed up
There's darkness abuse
The spirits can't ascend without our help
and now we're here to ascend them

These docs may be outdated, but they might help you think of a topic to bring up!
Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

[kindred path]

i just started playing a couple days ago and it feels like there’s so much to catch up on

[hushed steeple]

By lingering around and asking questions, you can get a fair understanding. Might take a few weeks though.

[compact shale]

Perfectly understandable!

Any questions?

[kindred path]

to be honest i don’t know enough to ask good questions that aren’t horribly vague lolol
thanks for the lore docs though! i’ll definitely be deep diving those

[hushed steeple]

There is no such thing as a bad question, unless its intentionally bad.

[undone trench]

I got one question! What are crabs ? Stone creatures that where brought to life by darkness ? Maybe a darkness parasite using a stone shell as a shield, did crabs always exist or did they only appear after the eden incident?

[hushed steeple]

Actually, there are un-corrupted crabs in waste land and sanctuary. And there are murals in enchantment that depict the corruption of crabs. Its the cave system with the crab spirit.

[white junco]

there are also crabs that show up in the nintendo switch launch trailer! They look pretty different from modern day crabs, but they're there!

[stable olive]

Pspsps hey lorechat, I just attempted to decode the elder names using Psalm 119, would you guys be interested in taking a look?

[hushed steeple]

Hey, you're not a crab, are you?

[undone trench]

Umm... me crab? pfft of course not!
I'm a fellow loreseeker

[hushed steeple]

WHAT THE FROG!!!!???
I UHHH- EHHH-HDJFNRHJSISNSHJSJS
WHY!!!!!!!??????

[white junco]

yo that sounds really really cool

[undone trench]

What's psalm 119?

[stable olive]

Sky Elders names decoded with Psalm 119 subchapters:

||Isle of Dawn - Daleth: soul cleaves unto the dust, thirst for revival, strength, and understanding||

||Daylight Prairie - Ayin: Has done everything right, a call for understanding and justice||

||Hidden Forest - Teth: Finding the path again after going astray, a chance for redemption||

||Valley of Triumph - Samek: Power and triumph over the wicked||

||Golden Wasteland - Tsadi: consumed by fiery zeal because the wicked have forgotten the way of the light||

||Vault of Knowledge - Lamed: knowledge forever settled in heaven||

[hushed steeple]

....

....

....

Ok..........

[compact shale]

Bible reader, can confirm that there are indeed elder names in Psalm 119, used them to troll this place

[stable olive]

A chapter in the Bible that is labelled with subchapter headings, some of which are elder names cuz Hebrew alphabet

[white junco]

googled psalm 119 and got jumpscared by daleth, amazing

[compact shale]

I used it to troll lorechat one time :3

[keen shore]

Just like in real life

[stable olive]

Did you actually straight up post bible verses

[hushed steeple]

Wasteland definitely has extreme lore stuff to it.
And forest, why don't we theororize about forest elder much?

[compact shale]

YES I DID

@white junco dont you just hate when you're reading a good book and suddenly BEARD

[white junco]

HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS

[hushed steeple]

I was gonna read it, then decided I didn't want to.

[keen shore]

I cannot read the Bible to find out for myself

[undone trench]

I cannot read

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, wouldn't you die on the spot or something? At least that's what the Catholics say./j

[compact shale]

Don't forget about Psalm 37!

[white junco]

I am skimming the Bible at 2am and holy woah these Bible words sure do line up with my perceptions of the personalities of the elders

[stable olive]

In terms of the subchapter in Psalm 119, I find it interesting that it mentions going astray but finding the path again. Hidden forest has a path but also rains, as if something had gone wrong but the way out is clear. Also, grandma's clearing is sunny, which aludes to the chance for redemption

[stable olive]

Doesn't Daleth sound like Daleth 😭
Old man vibes

[compact shale]

psalm 37 is also an acrostic poem

[hushed steeple]

The hidden forest one reminded me of concept Teth a bit and I'm not exactly sure why.

[white junco]

he's so tired... definitely matches with our tall old man leaning on his staff

[hushed steeple]

I feel like listening to music. Don't even try to keep me from leaving because as you read this, I'm already gone.

[compact shale]

REST IN PEACE ESTHER MOON

WE NEVER RUE YA

[livid pelican]

Why was there a boat on the trench

[frigid tinsel]

It sank

[compact shale]

Was anyone on that boat

[tranquil harbor]

even if there were, who's to say they couldn't swim

[compact shale]

IT'S A TRENCH

NORMAL UNEQUIPPED HUMANS DON'T JUST ESCAPE TRENCHES

[keen shore]

neither do carriages 💔 @formal skiff

[queen forum]

I don’t know why this short discussion was so funny to me.

[compact shale]

are you an unequipped human?

[night pecan]

LORE CHAT LEVIATHAN AIN'T DEAD

[pastel brook]

[compact shale]

SKYBOT WHAT THE HELL

[night pecan]

HE LIVES

[compact shale]

WHATCHA GONNA DO BOUT IT

[queen forum]

I have a very sharp pair of scissors?

[unreal relic]

YOOOOOOOO HOW DO YOU SEE HIM :0

[compact shale]

OOB

[night pecan]

swim to the place of the last quest! he's just lurking down there

[unreal relic]

Ooooooooo aight nice

[honest cave]

Is anybody there

[tranquil harbor]

debatable

[harsh pecan]

Maybe

[compact shale]

No

Any questions?

[boreal nebula]

My halfjoke half serious idea is ... || to stop implying Ancestors committed manta cruelty ||

[tranquil harbor]

They certainly did something to the mantas. But were they cruel or were the mantas like flying cows? Were ancestors being dumb, or were the mantas given a quick, humane death to be used for the good of the kingdom as a whole?

[boreal nebula]

I saw you ask about OOB meaning, it stands dor Out Of Boundaries (Area) and it is about all those places we sbouldn't be able to visit, but we glitch into them happily

So from the tower you need to head north with the table drive?

[compact shale]

lmao sorry i can't tell you how to table drive I'm not an OOB kid

[boreal nebula]

Has anybody noticed how Vault cutscene has its Elder constellation and Isle constellation in it?

Once Vault Elder Mural is complete she is standing on the elevator and there is a line starting from the bottom end of the Elevator till her hands holding a Memory Projector

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe it came full circle?

[hushed steeple]

I’m up early….. or uhh……. late. Please help me and my poor sleep schedule. Know i cant sleep cuz its 6:30 AM. Ugh.

[boreal nebula]

Take a walk in Hidden Forest around a correct bed time and listen the soothing sounds or raindrops between each sparking sound of the new farming bonefire (endpoint of Umbrella Lightseeker)

But it won't obviously work just the very first day. A good suggestion for Daylight saving time is not to go to sleep one hour early the day before the switch (your biological clock won't let you to sleep on the spot), but goin 10 minutes early each day of the week preceeding the Daytime Switch can easily adjusts that 1 hour sleep schedule

So try to shift 5-10 minutes a day. If you like you could use some camomille tea too 🍵 🌸

Using an app to filter blue-light out from device screens can help reduce the alertiveness caused to the eyes (warmer lights colors like orange are more soothing). A famous pc applicatiom is F.Lux but for smartphone there are a bunches of free app too (which you can customize more than recent versions of Eye Protection functionalities added to OS)

[swift helm]

Why can we swim but can't stand the rain? I mean when the rain stopped you can touch the water and didn't get hurt

[final mist]

I didnt know vault and isle’s constellation is overlaped

[boreal nebula]

Main interpretation is, there is some degree of darkness/Coldness in Rainwater (but when rain stops you can safely walk in the puddles, unlike Wasteland darkwaters)

Coldness could be misleading, though, cause there was pure clean water under Valley Ice Rink and it was very safe (before Abyss came we could stand and walk there because thee was no diving system. We could even light those candles )

[compact shale]

We can't stand swimming. That's what the blue meter represents.

Flames hate water. We can't be in contact with it for too long if it hits our core (that hole on our chest)

[harsh pecan]

The rain is harmful (also cause it probably gets purified after touching the ground)

[swift helm]

No i mean like touching the water 😅

[boreal nebula]

@tranquil harbor @final mist I don't think they overlap after a full circle I haven't OOBed there in a loong time, but I sure of that (hope it wasn't changed... can someone comfirm it with piggy rocket?)

[tranquil harbor]

I didn't mean 'it overlaps literally' but 'you've come full circle of your journey' (or something, its been a bit and I'm getting sleepy)

yes I know the true 'full circle' is being reborn after orbit, but at the very least I remember my point made a distinction between orbit and whatever was going on with the elders

[boreal nebula]

As I said, even a foot on water filled with darkness harms us, but not water per se

[swift helm]

Okay thanks 👍

[final mist]

I have a question on Abyss, does anyone know where all the crabs groups live in Abyss area?

I thought the “ Crabs may come from Rocks” theory was interesting, went to Abyss area, and realised a crab group live around a broken cart with rocks in them( possible raw materials for power stones?)

[tranquil harbor]

I think that's the only area with crabs. Some live in a cave connected to that area maybe, but otherwise they're pretty close together

[final mist]

The little light plants growing near the raw rocks also caught my attention.

Abyss underwater light plants seem to grow in places that have power stone or raw rocks. (There are loads of big raw rocks sinked at the Abyss entrance where the big light plants are.)

[final mist]

Thank you, Abyss area is quite big, i will do a deeper search in caves next time

[final mist]

Makes me wonder besides growing crabs ( or attracting them etc.)

if light can also grow from substances released from those blueish grey raw rocks

[final mist]

I also went to visit the two harmless sanctuary crabs, super chill, they dont attack skykids.

different to crabs in other places, they dont have pollutants on their bodies.

There are butterflies on that island, i wonder what makes them harmless.

And Crabs have different colours depends on where they live.

There are theories of krills coming from pollutants produced in power rock production processes.

But it is not confirmed yet.

[boreal nebula]

@tranquil harbor @final mist crabs not only live around those karts there is one around 4th quest exit gate (sometimes on a lower floor and sometimes on the stairs leading to hidden lower floor niche)

There are 3 more in the round room almost out of 4th quest (where the krill swim on circle)

[compact shale]

As for why they don't have pollutants in their bodies? Unlike most other crabs, they're exposed to sunlight.

What we don't know is...

Is it the fact they're in sunlight that burns off the pollutants?

Or are they in the sunlight BECAUSE they don't have pollutants?

[final mist]

Wow thank you for the info tebkanlo! I didnt realised there are crabs in 4th mission areas, will take a visit there next time!

[boreal nebula]

I don't think there is this tight relation between raw rocks/light crystals and Light Algae.

Inside the mine tunnels there is none for example. And there are 5 or 6 inside the 4th quest building

[final mist]

I always got lost around Abyss facilities🤣

[compact shale]

Abyssture Science /j I don't play Portal

[final mist]

part of it is definitely game design functions, i was thinking if raw rocks/ light crystals were once used inside the facilities, they may left substances around the site, or maybe it is just me overthinking

[boreal nebula]

There was a thing that might have a little significance to crabs (and krills by extension) in the patch notes.. hold a sec

It specifically call them Dark Crabs

[final mist]

I was wondering the same, they seem to be the only two “clean” crabs atm, even in clear Abyss water with certain sunlight, abyss crab are aggressive

[boreal nebula]

And it sort of reminded me of Dark Dragon term

Could it be that Krill we fear are just Dark versions of the Light Dragons?
Much like there are some Crabs which are not corrupt/dark

So (and I might not be appreciate by who wants corruption to trasform a Whale into a Krill) so maybe the corruption just had effect on their temperament

And this might explain why the Angsty Angler has a (peaceful predator) Krill who is didn't attach them by hunting them out of water like Frenzy Krills do

I am getting mor and more the idea that Krill were always predators, but that they turned into obnoxious frenzy hunter with the darkness corrupting their habits

[final mist]

"grim and callous corruption" i like this term

and the krill swimming around angler is a lot smaller than regular krills we see

[compact shale]

1. The Abyss area is cloudy
2. Sunlight isn't exactly known for reaching deep into the sea

[sharp lichen]

Good morning lorechat! Did you crumble at the sight of my math? Don’t worry, it’s all over

[compact shale]

FOR HOW LONG

[queen forum]

Thank the Elders. It’s too early in the morning for more math.

[willow prawn]

I have a vague memory of reading a confirmation of Jenova that krills are corrupted

[compact shale]

Good news! You're not mistaken!

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

[formal skiff]

Huh! Interesting!

[final mist]

Ohh thats really interesting!

[formal skiff]

Wait that translation has to have been given by someone in TGC… meaning, is that confirmation that crabs are rocks?

[compact shale]

is that official or community term?

[final mist]

Someone mentioned The English name for the halloween crab spell is also “Crab Rock Spell” earlier this week

[native shoal]

If you make crab soup is it just stone soup?

Like that one story I read in school like 6 years ago? They made soup out of rocks for some reason and it didn’t taste bad despite being ROCKS?

[compact shale]

The reason why it didn't taste bad was because they kept asking the town for actual ingredients little by little

[hushed steeple]

Crabs corrupted confirmed?

[willow prawn]

Lore-chat, I'm confused about the structure of Wastelands temple and I bring pictures to prove my confusion

We all know it goes high like a fortress in the battlefield, with a kind of sword on top. This is mostly supported by the vision from crab fields, too

However, in the temple, there are some sort of 'windows' you can fly out of, and the shape doesn't look very fortress like. Why is this wall tilted?

Did TGC just ignore the shape outside and forgot to put a wind wall?

[queen forum]

In all honesty, most likely. I doubt there’s much of a lore reason behind this, just that adding the window and the light to shine it would create a better atmosphere and mood for the temple.

Unless it’s something like the Vault and the appearance on the outside is different than on the inside.

[frigid tinsel]

on one hand, the building could be in a state of decay, hence the "tilting." see: Leaning Tower of Pisa.
on the other hand, how did you get there?

[willow prawn]

Well, it turns out that when you enter the temple, is possible to go out through the light entrance without any tricks or anything especial

I can record you a video but it's very simple tbh

[hushed steeple]

Prolly don’t expect you to get that close or think that much.

[sharp lichen]

Chat is getting super krilled!

[lofty void]

Dead as heck

[sharp lichen]

Ok I’m unkrilling it

Should the events of TLP be considered canon?

[undone trench]

The entrance interact with something Canon, nothing that happens in there is too out of the ordinary, so probably

[keen shore]

Everything is canon and the weirdness is caused by the purple light. The spirits inside are not “true” spirits but something resembling them, the landscape is mostly illusionary, and so on, but it’s still canon

[undone trench]

I wonder if the eden in the landscape is a illusion as well,

[queen forum]

Honestly, yes and no. For starters, it would screw up the layout of the Vault immensely. Why is this random desert attached to it? Why is it outside? Where did the giant ocean come from? How high up is it?! And so on and so on. The path that leads there isn’t a wind path: it’s a literal stone hallway. So…if it’s a canon location, it would literally be right next door.

Secondly, the Prince himself. Dude obviously looks human and is thus some kind of alien and visitor to the Sky world. The fact that the Krill didn’t attack him is proof of this. Does this mean that other aliens exist out there? Is there more of the Prince and his species? Or is he one of a kind? And what did the Elders think about this random, tiny, pink creature just swooping in and paying a visit? Probably freaking out the whole time if they didn’t know who or what he was. The Prince would make the lore only more confusing.

Finally, the Spirits inside. They’re all based on characters from the book. But that doesn’t exactly fit in with the lore of Sky. How did they get there if the Prince made the area or something with his arrival? Too many questions.

In the end, I think the event happened and our lovely Star Cubs remember the event, but the area and the Prince are…up to mass debate as to whether they technically “exist” in comparison to the other realms.

[livid pelican]

Well they have different names so I guess they're canon??

[queen forum]

…Who? The Spirits?

[undone trench]

They have seen a lot of weird things, something that resembles a skykid or spirits to some extent but just a bit different wouldn't be that odd to them,

[queen forum]

True. But I’m betting the talking rose would confuse the heck out of them.

[formal skiff]

It’s not completely unreasonable for there to be an actual desert outside of Vault. After all, Vault IS at the end of GW.

[undone trench]

That does make sense, gw does seem desert like and has seas all around, so maybe the starlight desert is connected to gw, just a bit more clean because of being so close to vault

[nimble ingot]

question: If the Dawn elder's mask has a boat detail, would the Day elder's mask have a portal/stone arch detail?

Same applies to the Forest elder with the diamond detail (for forging power diamonds), twins having face shields (narrow eye slits and smooth masks, for something along the lines or aerodynamics, and protection in combat), Wasteland elder's battle mask (for military/war) and Vault with a tablet (that may not be decipherable, but could be something that either shows the rank of the elder, or be an inscription of some sorts, like a protection enchantment or something)

[queen forum]

I think it would. And I thought the tablet for was because you can write stuff on it, and it’s the Vault of Knowledge, after all.

[frigid tinsel]

Day Elder’s mask reminds me of a pot

[keen shore]

Yeah prairie elder is a pot, forest elder is Diamond, I Think wasteland elder’s is modeled after a krill or a whale

[queen forum]

I think a whale. It’s got the four head spikes just like the beast.

[nimble ingot]

wow the elder looks so good! and the tiny skykids!!!

[nimble ingot]

Can you tell us how did you reach the OOB?

[queen forum]

Yea, lemme see if I can take a video. Or a bunch of images if that’s too big.

[queen forum]

Okay. I got a bunch of images. First things first, go to Forest, then make your way to the grandma area.

[nimble ingot]

ok 🗒️

[queen forum]

Second step, go to the underground area and go into the sneaky stance on this little hill. This is the most important part. Chibi fall on this hill.

[nimble ingot]

alright

[queen forum]

Next, you’re gonna fall into a pool of water. Fly out of the water and head towards the clouds. You might go underneath the map and it might turn into a stone ceiling, but that’s fine.

Last step. Fly outwards and go underneath the clouds and fall downwards. Explore the area underneath the clouds. The whale is there, stationary. Bring a table of something so you don’t have to keep flying upwards to get charge. And…that’s how you get there!

If it doesn’t work, then just send me a link to meet me in game and I’ll take you there.

[nimble ingot]

I got it, thanks.

[cloud apex]

what are your thoughts on the cave of prophecy? edit: i just finished the fire trial so i wonder if it have something to do with sky lore

[queen forum]

No problem! Glad I could help.

[outer hare]

Its the one and only place with decently good lore material stuffed into one place

[queen forum]

Any Spirits that were inside it at the time probably survived the initial apocalypse, but overtime they likely succumbed to lack of food or other causes. One of the survivors, like Abyss Crew. Presumably the writings on the wall are done by them in an attempt to educate whoever came after on what happened to the world and what it was like.

[cloud apex]

hmmm interesting. fire prophet = bbq god

[outer hare]

Too bad they probably didnt get meat in that cave very often.

[queen forum]

Well, unless they BBQ’ed themselves, I don’t imagine any amount of skill will help without something to eat…

[cloud apex]

btw the cave is connected to windpaths so they might get meat outside

[outer hare]

yes ofc ofc they would eat air. Actually what do skykids eat????

[cloud apex]

bbq pit from the cave

[queen forum]

According to the stream, they would like Mochi Balls best. (Little ice cream treats.)

[outer hare]

But how do they eat them??? Like when??? When we arent online??? ( thats really not fair i wanna eat mochi too T-T)

[cloud apex]

when they visit the table of belonging

[keen shore]

If that happened post apocalypse, what are your thoughts on the other spirits they’re teaching in their memories?

[queen forum]

…I don’t know. I don’t think Sky kids need to eat. They would just do it for the pleasure of taste and whatnot.

[queen forum]

Probably survived in the cave as well, but they just didn’t appear for whatever reason. After all, it’s not like every Ancestor that ever lived turned into a Spirit. Only a small number.

[outer hare]

WAIT THOSE ARE MOCHI ?!?!?!?! ( i thought they were porridge balls T-T) I think ive gone in too deep in the skykids foods so im gonna stop here.

[cloud apex]

they're grilling the mochi balls yes

[outer hare]

The cave is like a school basically in my mind so the spirits must have left to spread news about the caves ( etc, etc, im just throwing things out here for conversation purposes)

[outer hare]

They grill mochi balls??? Is that allowed in the real world??

[queen forum]

True. Maybe their students were outside when it happened then. Didn’t survive or something. Who knows.

[outer hare]

Turned into wl or other spirits perhaps??

[queen forum]

Yes, there’s recipes and stuff online.

[cloud apex]

yea, turns out there is grilled mochi balls

[pastel brook]

What do you all want now

[queen forum]

…More Mochi.

[outer hare]

MOCHI BALLS!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

though skids don't each the mochi as mochi. they burn it with their flames first, converting it into pieces of light ("wax" is a community term) that they absorb.

i think in-universe they could eat and taste with their mouths. but ultimately they only need to "consume" light.

[cloud apex]

mochi ball spells (like cake spells)

[outer hare]

Whats with the squint skybot??

[formal skiff]

mochi, just to spam you with mochi replies

[frigid tinsel]

skybot regularly pokes lorechat with a stick and is surprised when we bite back.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[cloud apex]

SKY KID EAT CAKE, that's it, we found the answer

[outer hare]

YOUR DROWNING PUJKKPOKPOOTHRKPOKKOPYKEYJ

[queen forum]

Skybot doesn’t trust us anymore.

[formal skiff]

oh be quiet, we all know mochi balls are the source of all true Sky lore

[frigid tinsel]

New retort dropped

[queen forum]

“Wait, it’s all Mochi?”
“Always has been.”

[outer hare]

EGG XACTLY

MOCHI IS THE ULTIMATE FOOD TSTDFSTSFTSFTSS ( im just imagining people coming into lore chat, seeing past messages and the lore behind mochi. yes. yes.)

[cloud apex]

all the signs points to it... the mochi-shaped hills in prairie, little prince's planet...

[outer hare]

Mochi, mochi, mochi

[cloud apex]

THE MOCHIVERSE

[keen shore]

My idea to clarify is that prophecy took place way pre disaster instead of after, and here is my quick ideas to evidence.
``- spirits are called prophets implying that the murals May be visions of the future instead of recordings of the past

• spirit memories seem to show the prophets teaching other spirits how to do the trials, which seems kind of useless as a post apocalypse skill
• no focus on creating sources of food in the cave. I can give them a pass on not going for clean water sources because the blue light is right there, but like cmon if this is post apocalypse they didn’t even try to not starve to death.
• I only vaguely remember this tidbit of information because I saw it over a year ago when proph first began, but I seem to remember something about their masks specifically being designed to look like stone so they’d look more primitive? if someone can find this I’d vastly appreciate it.
• No darkstone around the caves, although it is present in small amounts in Earth trial``

Sorry for text wall, the alternate idea that it happened post apoc is really interesting, and I wanted to see if I could confirm my gut feeling with ingame evidence :3

[outer hare]

THE BUNNY IS CALLED MOCHIBUN AND I NEVER NOTICED BJBJBBJBJBJBKJGBKJBGKBJ

[queen forum]

Grandma: Into The Mochiverse.

[formal skiff]

this. this is the deepest sky lore.

[cloud apex]

mochi.

[keen shore]

Oh you get summoned by mochilore but not by my carriage joke from earlier? /j

[formal skiff]

oooooooooh

[outer hare]

I think they were trying to spread their teachings hence were too busy to think about food ( which is sad i need to think aout food)

[outer hare]

WAIT. THE BUNNY IS CALLED MOCHIBUN??? SO ISNT IT LIKE A PORTABLE FOOD SOURCE OR SOOMETHING T-T

[keen shore]

I mean… I feel like if I was trapped in a cave and had to choose between spending my time teaching people things and making sure they and me would not immediately starve to death I would focus on the second, but maybe that’s just me

[queen forum]

YES.

[outer hare]

But then again they had the wind paths so just transport to the mochi?

[cloud apex]

yup

[formal skiff]

what carriage joke? /gq

[outer hare]

OH SHOOT.

[keen shore]

[#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[formal skiff]

OMG LMAO SALEM YOU ABSOLUTE GENIUS
I AM SORRY THIS WAS AFTER I WENT TO SLEEP LAST NIGHT AND I DIDN'T BACKREAD THIS MORNING

[cloud apex]

candle wax = little mochi balls

[keen shore]

Would the wind paths have been closed up after the apocalypse though? The flight quests seem to imply that whatever corrupted Eden corrupted them pretty fast as well, plus it would be pretty hard to get to the wind paths from the cave itself (the wind paths open into it from the very top, and there’s no ladder or staircase up there)

[formal skiff]

SALEM I'M STILL DYING OVER THAT TYSM

[outer hare]

Well R.I.P they all died outside and inside they seemed to have died from starvation. Nice to know.

[frigid tinsel]

i think it's implied that the windpaths closed up due to disuse, prob from the lack of light creatures due to Eden cataclysm.

[cloud apex]

i thought light creature can still travel using windpaths

[keen shore]

I meant the corruption that seems to be pouring out of GW in one of the quests. That may be a separate event to them closing, but even if the wind paths were corrupted and not closed I don’t know if I’d want to travel using them

[outer hare]

Well when your faced with starvation i think id hop in quietly, also grandma makes great grilled mochi so id risk it.

[cloud apex]

windpaths are ridiculously fast method of travel compare to other sky modes of transportation (think of the boats, now windpaths)

[outer hare]

Did skybot just change his/her/its/their name or has it always been thatsadbot???

[keen shore]

To be honest, I am still not buying it. I can see how prophecy could be interpreted as taking place post apocalypse, but upon closer inspection, it doesn’t make sense to me at all. If it had I feel like it would be more obvious, plus there doesn’t seem to be any good evidence for it that couldn’t be interpreted differently by my view. For example, the murals could have been seen in visions, not recorded afterwards. It is a really neat headcanon though !

It does seem like lorechat is in more of a joking mood than a serious debating mood right now, though, so may just wait to talk about this later

[pastel brook]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[frigid tinsel]

true. though that may have factored into the wind paths clothing. after the 4th Flight quest, when the darkness was flowing out and corrupting the wind paths, there were almost no light creatures left in the area until the 5th quest cleared it up. you'll note that skids don't recharge when the area was filled with darkness.

so darkness from the Wasteland chased away or killed the light creatures, meaning there weren't many to zero light creatures using the wind paths, thus the wind paths close up from disuse.

[formal skiff]

yeah, pre-apoc makes more sense

[outer hare]

The spirits may have arrived late but according to all/most theories so far its existed since the time of the prince ( i think, im not to deep in lore so if you wanna educate me go for it)

[cloud apex]

but then manta bus service started rolling around, but is that after the apocalypse

[frigid tinsel]

well if there aren't wind paths, they can't be used. light creatures travelling via the wind paths keep them open, so without the light creatures, the wind paths begin to close. with darkness there, light creatures would even be less likely to use them, contributing to them closing.

[cloud apex]

Oh okay I see, thanks 😄

[outer hare]

Why does a scene play out in my head from the movie SING when they have to shut down the theater cause its broken. ( my head is in a whirl)

[frigid tinsel]

it's like "the theater is broken so we can't perform in there but if we can't hold performances then we can't raise money from ticket sales that would go to repairing the theater, so the theater remains broken"

[outer hare]

Anyways i have to go get some sustenance🥖 . Bye lorechat

[keen shore]

I wonder how long it took for the wind paths to close up so that the flight spirits could no longer leave. Could they still use them after the corruption poured in, or were they stranded there as soon as that happened? Did they have to watch the wind paths slowly close, cutting off their contact to the outside world and their only source of food and supplies, while being completely unable to do anything about it? Did they have to do the same thing after they died but basically wait to be petrified…

:-(

[outer hare]

Stranded. Otherwise if they got the chance to escape the spirits wouldnt be there ( now im actually going goodbye)

[rigid mural]

I like to think they struggled almost till the end, really doubt they'd just sit here and watch it all end.

[keen shore]

I do too, but after a certain point they probably couldn’t really Do anything, which just makes it that much sadder

[rigid mural]

Tinkering chimesmith desperately fixing and hanging chimes to call light creatures...

[frigid tinsel]

yea, i think the Flight crew did their best to maintain the wind paths, but with the darkness leeching from the Wasteland chasing away & sickening light creatures and eventually the Eden cataclysm, it would've been a futile fight.

perhaps the wind paths crew was larger in its heyday, just the spirits we met there are the ones who didn't flee before it was too late or didn't want to give up.

[keen shore]

What if at some point, they stopped fixing the chimes not because they gave up, but because the wind paths had already become so corrupted at that point that they were afraid that any light creature the bells summoned would be put in danger

[queen forum]

Like it had gotten to Quest 4 levels of corruption?

[keen shore]

The corruption eventually clears, although the paths are closed off, and flight guide is very happy to see them again - but they can’t share the sight with any of their friends because their spirits are all petrified, so they just have to wait, anticipate help, and try to clean away any corruption they still see

[frigid tinsel]

even after they died, their spirits would've still done their damnest maintaining the wind paths and nursing sick & injured light creatures or even any travelers who managed to get there. but with so much darkness around, their spirits might've petrified rather quickly. given their petrified forms are all on separate islands, i wonder how their means of travel to even keep in touch with each other was so quickly rendered useless (were the mantas that were pulling their boats flee or get hurt?) or if they just petrified while going to their islands alone, isolated from the light of their companions thus vulnerable to the darkness?

[keen shore]

Season of flight 🤝 season of enchantment 🤝 maybe season of assembly

Looking happy on the surface but there is no way to explain the spirit’s backstories and how they ended up there without extreme amounts of angst

[queen forum]

I think the latter. The second they were alone and away from each other’s light, the darkness would have taken them over.

[keen shore]

The first thing flight guide asks us to do for seasonal quests is to bring their friends light to keep them from being petrified again

[queen forum]

Flight Guide is as precious as any Sky Child.

[keen shore]

I wonder if they kept the wind paths open to corrupted areas like wasteland, instead of closing them off as soon as they could to keep it from spreading, in order to make sure any survivors from there could have a way out

[frigid tinsel]

don't all the Flight spirit memories start in the wind paths except Talented Builder?
brb gonna check

[queen forum]

That would make sense. Otherwise, all they would be doing by keeping that gate open would be inviting even more darkness to the Paths.

[keen shore]

talented building

[frigid tinsel]

shh

[rigid mural]

In this house we love the flight crew !!!

[formal skiff]

Yeah i'm technically a tlp moth but i wasn't coordinated enough to be involved in tlp considering my late arrival to the season. my heart will always be with flight

[undone trench]

Before flight started I was saying to my friends how that season would be the best because Birds, but after it ended I just forgot it, something I wish I did to prophecy,

[true grove]

Season of abyss concept from sky jp Twitter
https://twitter.com/thatskygameJP/status/1504986447245287424?t=zZX8DQLfPzi97eAhOGYqgg&s=19

[formal skiff]

I just think all the spirits and such in flight are really pretty. and light whisperer is so sweet.

[regal forge]

I picture light whisperer as like… mean, I guess. If they don’t know you or know you well you’re gonna get bullied—

[rigid mural]

Ehhhhh they kinda seem like the sweet and sensitive healer trope in the cutscenes to me...

[formal skiff]

Oh- that's such a different view than I have (to Disaster)! Interesting, I pictured them as more like- shy around strangers but excitable and outgoing among friends, and sweet and sensitive healer trope like vela said, and kinda pure and innocent

[south badger]

i imagine light whisperer as also really smart.. i think they know a lot of things nobody expects them to know

[frigid tinsel]

So Light Whisperer and Tinkering Chimesmith’s memories both end on their separate islands to their petrified statues. Lively Navigator and Talented Builder’s memories start on their separate islands but end on the main island, though they’re petrified at edges, like they were looking out.
Lively Navigator (1) was petrified while staring out at the wind paths while Talented Building (2) was petrified by the construction site

[rigid mural]

light whisperer is a light creature nerd, but also a huge nerd on a book they and the questgiver love to read i bet

[regal forge]

Do you guys think the tiny boat (in the two player door, second bell tower in prairie) is a scale model or a toy boat

[rigid mural]

flight spirits the beloved

[regal forge]

also I just get the vibe light whisperer would beat me up I’m sorry 🥲

[frigid tinsel]

given it's in like a workshop sort of space, it could've been a scale model or a prototype

[regal forge]

someone find me a boat like that and I’ll find out the scale

[rigid mural]

if i sky kid was harmed, should they go see the light whisperer ? human on an alien planet seeking out a doctor or a veterinarian dilemma lol

[regal forge]

I don’t think they’d see light whisperer. They seem more of a light creature doctor. When sky kids are harmed light sources do the trick apparently

[formal skiff]

what if a spirit gets harmed?

[frigid tinsel]

i think skykids can heal themselves as long as they have light so doctors wouldn't be needed.

[regal forge]

They’re already dead what are they gonna do—

[rigid mural]

well they would probably have doctors and not seek a veterinarian xD

[frigid tinsel]

can a spirit be harmed? other than afflicted by darkness and petrification

[raw crypt]

Their light can fade if left without light/exposure to elements(? carry spirits r sensitive 😔)

also yes flight spirits,, my friends my homies

[regal forge]

Maybe krill are just the geese of sky

[formal skiff]

i meant ancestors sorry lol-

[regal forge]

i think whoever or whatever hurt them will have the problem— hordes of angry sky kids

[formal skiff]

true!!

[formal skiff]

which ancestor do you think would be the best healer for a fellow ancestor? or do you think there's an elder who specializes in it?

[rigid mural]

Good question ! Vault seems plausible because scholars know science, but I like to think Wasteland healers must have been quick and efficient.

[regal forge]

Fainting soldier says otherwise

Honestly I have to say isle or prairie elder. Prairie is also very in touch with the light creatures so I can imagine them as a healer or helping injured people or creatures

[frigid tinsel]

if Wasteland Elder overlooked a military, then it would be reasonable for them to have doctors and aids to maintain the health of the soldiers.
Vault Elder and scholars might know a lot about anatomy & physiology in their pursuit of knowledge, but that doesn't equate to medical experience. granted it's a question of how they got their knowledge tho

[rigid mural]

But Fainting Soldier isn't seen with another spirit how could we know a healer wasn't looking for them in return

[tranquil harbor]

I don't think Fainting Soldier had a chance to get to a healer

[formal skiff]

You make a good point. I just thought of something though- maybe Wasteland soldiers all knew basic first aid, but relied on Vault as a treatment center for more serious injuries and long-term care. After all, Vault is right there! It would make sense for Wasteland to go to Vault for medical care.

[tranquil harbor]

The Vault is a library though. Wasteland probably had a hospital before everything got destroyed.
Isle being a grassy looking field really puts into prospective that sometimes we can't just work with what we have.

[regal forge]

Hmm maybe with all the destruction and sheer lack of light in wasteland it implies all the healers* there were taken down early on. But on the other side the flowing pipes and presence of dark dragons implies something worse happening there. I think it might have been the actual kingdom to the ‘kingdom of sky’ before things went haywire and corrupt

[rigid mural]

I thought prairie because they have light creatures and stuff and we know healers are friends with the good creatures of light™️ and goodness™️ /hj
but
Valley having a lot of sportspeople... could also have decent medical stuff too

[frigid tinsel]

ig it's a matter of doctors who were formally educated and trained in institutions vs. healers who learned by field experience and their teachers who also learned from their elders

[regal forge]

Ah! Maybe healers travel! Remember season of enchantment? They seemed stranded if that was their boat! Maybe it’s not a specific area at all! It would also explain why areas like isle and wasteland went under if they were no longer able to move around and help the land and people!

I say enchantment since they very actively grow grass, flowers, blue sky and water, etc. they purify

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I thought of Valley because of what they do, but I didn't want to go 'clearly best medical care was Valley'

[frigid tinsel]

maybe that's why Valley ancestors didn't seem to value their own lives and took high risks, they had some damn good doctors.

idc how good medical care is, i'd still have a strong aversion to pain

[undone trench]

Maybe vault could have the best doctors and healers in theory because of all the knowledge, but maybe lacked the resources

[tranquil harbor]

tbh Valley seems pretty prosperous. Like, even after the fall you look at it and ago, 'dang, I bet this place thrives', so I wouldn't be surprised if they were 'the best'. (Especially if the elders are just that competitive lol)

[formal skiff]

That's a great thought, Disaster! In fact, Enchantment spirits being healers might make sense... being able to manipulate the elements could certainly have huge advantages in healing an injury. Also, they sell potions in-game... an apothecary during their time, perhaps? The spirit who collects mushrooms could be doing so for medicinal purposes.

[regal forge]

Maybe they done even need doctors and just need light to heal.. it could explain the random candles and ‘fireplaces’ scattered in the world

[rigid mural]

they had free healthcare in the kingdom

[frigid tinsel]

i envy them

[undone trench]

When I started I always thought valley was where they trained to go fight in gw

[regal forge]

it 100% cost entire life savings of candles—

[frigid tinsel]

a lot of athletes could have the physique for the military. wonder how many were recruited when war broke out?

[rigid mural]

ok lemme pull up lightseeker concept art, cos i wanted to not mention them right away since i talked about crab whisperer for the entire week but...

[regal forge]

Why was my first thought the handstanding champion in valley doing a handstand to fight off a krill 🥲

[formal skiff]

One of my ocs, Hawk, was originally trained in Valley, but decided they wanted to use zir knowledge as a force for good so now they do stuff in Wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

wasn't there a part of the Lightseeker concept art that many assume to be a Lightseeker "healing" a bedbound child?

[rigid mural]

bottom left corner

[undone trench]

If any of valley spirits we have ever went to gw the red cape one would just move and the krills would vanish

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if that's one of our kids though

[regal forge]

Ooh. The light in their hand also seems to imply light healing people of sky

[frigid tinsel]

yup that's what I'm talking about. if that assumption is true, then Lightseekers and perhaps other ancestors could've utilized light to heal

[regal forge]

to be honest my sky kid has survived falling off serval cliffs at terminal velocity do you think they get hurt to begin with—

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if the devs every entertained the idea of skykids getting "sick" or medical assistance from the Lightseeker spirits?

[undone trench]

Skykid tried to drink dark water out of curiosity,

[regal forge]

Ooh wait. Sneezing geographer. Sky kids SNEEZE meaning they DO have reactions and likely allergies. Maybe getting sick is possible? Maybe instead of a fever they get really cold? Or maybe BURNING

[rigid mural]

i have the unpopular headcanon that ancestors are beings of light (as opposed to flesh) too despite eating, take my word for it but there's old concept art of bigger light creatures eating motes of light, wouldnt be a stretch to assume some would eat small enough light creatures too
i also think they can pull a candle out of their body like sky kids

[formal skiff]

it seems that darkness/corruption are the only things able to harm a sky kid

[regal forge]

I’m gonna eat a dark rock

[frigid tinsel]

yea, darkness takes light, so beings of light afflicted with darkness don't appear to thrive well

[undone trench]

If you stand in forest's rain for too long your skykid will do the cold emote automatically, maybe they do get affected by cold

[rigid mural]

like the lost stream may have said that elders and sky kids arent related but..........
no word on ancestors and sky kids not being related
light awaits even calls us "[the kingdom's] children"

[formal skiff]

oh, really? i didn't know that! interesting!!

[regal forge]

wHat ArE yOu GonNa Do?! StOp mE?!

[formal skiff]

nope. i will watch you suffer and shake my head, knowing you brought this upon yourself

[regal forge]

you’re going in the wasteland water system. Get in there.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are called "the descendants" though it was never clarified what they descend from. it could be literal or figurative.
but they are kids so "children" could just reference the fact that they're, well, children.

[rigid mural]

about that lost stream, might be worth it to get the attention of a dev to tell us if some stuff we say is from the lost stream is true or false.

[undone trench]

Maybe descendants of the megabird or stars

[tranquil harbor]

I feel like that lost stream may be where I got the 'subspecies' idea

[rigid mural]

meant this

[regal forge]

I have a theory that sky kids have a connection to stars and practically are stars themselves. That’s why they can fly and have cape stars while spirits and elders never do. I also theorize this is why we get reborn instead of become spirits. Spirits have a connection where they can only ascend. Sky kids are descendants of the sky itself

[frigid tinsel]

how did that stream even become "lost?" given there seemed to be a lot of significant details about the beings of Sky, that stream appears to be very important and worth picking over. how'd that get "lost?"

[tranquil harbor]

Aren't elders also fallen stars? And I could argue spirits do get reborn after ascension

[frigid tinsel]

one of the old intros strongly implies that the Elders are fallen stars. that cutscene shows six stars falling and six temples rising in their place.

[regal forge]

could be. Maybe they’ve just seen too much and don’t trust the capes anymore—

[undone trench]

We can see spirits moving around sometimes, like in the days of bloom pre-event we got rn, of lightseekers walking around near blossom trees, so maybe they are reborn to some extent

[rigid mural]

It was an old japanese stream, ash said they only got hired a few weeks ago on the date it was filmed. it may have gotten deleted or whatever it was hosted on discontinued

[formal skiff]

ok, will do *sneaks some blue light into my pocket so i can purify the water *

[tranquil harbor]

We also have Granny, and the traveling spirits (and that's just the spirits off the top of my head)

[regal forge]

as much as they appear they do the same thing other spirits do: ascend back into the sky after. They seem like only temporary visits instead of living back in the world

[frigid tinsel]

they're not reborn, their spirits descend from the Sky. every time they're done, they ascend back to the Sky again.

[tranquil harbor]

Our kids are reborn and literally do not change at all, why can't reborn spirits still be spirits? Like, reborn irl implies you're someone new and that clearly doesn't apply in sky

[regal forge]

did you just imply you’re single handedly going to purify wasteland

[formal skiff]

are you underestimating my power, mortal? *grows to the size of prairie elder * /j

[regal forge]

‘Reborn’ doesn’t mean someone new all the time. It means you died and came back to life or were ‘born again’ it doesn’t even need to be as a child

[undone trench]

It's impossible to purify wastlenad single handedly, grabs green light

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are reborn as falling stars. the spirits descend and ascend as spirits. they are still spirits and not a living ancestor (unless ascribing to the idea that the spirits were always spirits which is debatable).

[formal skiff]

TEAMWORK

[tranquil harbor]

The switch trailer says no

[silent night]

lmao, the time when the king krill ate us, I thought I died since the place we're in looks similar when we're about to get reborn

[regal forge]

Also literally falling from eden as a star implies sky kids are stars—

[tranquil harbor]

I theorized already that that specific place is a space between life and death. So yeah we kinda did

[frigid tinsel]

the Switch trailer shows what appears to be living ancestors, very different than the spirits we have in-game

[silent night]

wait fr-

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, that's why I said 'the switch trailer says no, they were not always spirits'. I was agreeing with you.

[regal forge]

Sky kids really said “aight bet. I’ve done this before” and fought a leviathan

[frigid tinsel]

yea some call that place "limbo" or "the pity room" or "the void"

[silent night]

wait so the manta just saved us both?

[undone trench]

The Pity Room sounds like they got grounded

[tranquil harbor]

Naughty sky kids who die outside Eden get sent to the pity room

[regal forge]

BAD SKYKID! Get in the big fish!! Get in there!!!
this house iS A NIGHTMARE

[silent night]

it feels weird to get rebibed by the manta when we got ate by the king of the krill ._.

[regal forge]

I’m gonna eat the big fish

[frigid tinsel]

i've been thinking as that place as being conscious when encased by darkness.

[formal skiff]

we ARE kids...

[tranquil harbor]

Me: The sky kids should be safe, doing cute kid things
Also me: Let them fight the big fish

[undone trench]

Revenge for Tsadi!

[frigid tinsel]

gonna happen in my fic

[regal forge]

You’re telling me a toddler wouldn’t fight a big fish without prompted to?

[tranquil harbor]

Some of them would cry actually

[regal forge]

this is the difference between you and me

[frigid tinsel]

"you're gonna fight this massive beast."
some skids: oh yea, imma squish that fish!
other skids: screaming and crying in fear

[tranquil harbor]

It's realistic

[undone trench]

It's just a fish, what can it do?

[regal forge]

eat the cannoneer

[undone trench]

Well, I'm not the cannoneer so I should be fine when fighting

[tranquil harbor]

And us. Plus a magic manta. And a veritable heck ton of fish

Hmmmm, that makes me think of the map change after the quest and krills. They stop chasing us very easily if we just hide behind something. Do you think krills might have bad eyesight? So they need to see our light because we're very bright?

[regal forge]

I say krill are half blind and half deaf. Also why they don’t respond to our calls

[undone trench]

They have heat seeking vision, but need direct line of sight to see ( sometimes don't tho )

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, if we stay in place long enough, they've got a beat on where we are, so they no longer need direct line of sight.

[static meteor]

i mean! maybe they just sense light?

[regal forge]

Also why they go in circles and take a moment to regroup. They bump into things otherwise

[frigid tinsel]

krill lack object permanence

[tranquil harbor]

Like babies

[regal forge]

I sorta think that stuff coming off of krill as they go by is ash

[undone trench]

It also could be dark water seeing how the first we see leaves from a dark water lake

[frigid tinsel]

it's darkness flakes. you can see them on hostile crabs and they pop of darkness plants when melting. they're also on petrified spirits.

[tranquil harbor]

They get on us too

[regal forge]

oddly specific name for someone who’s not a crab—

[frigid tinsel]

See

[regal forge]

I’m gonna eat em

[tranquil harbor]

nooooo, not the children

[undone trench]

What may you mean by that, no crabs here nu uh, none, not even slightly

[frigid tinsel]

They’re also on us when lit

[regal forge]

[crab dances at you]

[tranquil harbor]

the crab parasites are evolving and infiltrating lore chat

[undone trench]

Crab parasite ? Pfft don't be so silly

[frigid tinsel]

crabs have darkness rabies

[tranquil harbor]

-cries- I want your flute thingy

[formal skiff]

It’s funny to me that my friend and I have made this exact comment before

[frigid tinsel]

It’s an observable fact

[formal skiff]

Indeed

[undone trench]

Just like how they got multiple eyes

[round shore]

So what's about The Elder of Eden???? I haven't heard of them before-

[undone trench]

Oh the King, Yeah much likely long gone,

[regal forge]

I could fight em

[tranquil harbor]

The elder was described as 'not around to be saved anymore' (or something). We currently think the elder and king are the same person, but we do not know for sure

[rigid mural]

use a krill repellent, they appear abundantly here too

[cloud apex]

your skykid is the elder, you save your self… idk lol

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[tranquil harbor]

When did sky bot become sad bot

[queen forum]

When the season of Abyss became season of Angst.

[foggy dock]

wait this game has lore

[lofty void]

always had lore

[sly kestrel]

the game has lore but ur the one that’s supposed to make up the lore

[formal skiff]

The game has lore but it’s vague and only given in crumb-sized pieces 😔

[sly kestrel]

It was made intentionally vague so your minds can run wild and interpret the story how ever u want
-some dev

[tranquil harbor]

Except they've also admitted they do have a concrete backstory so it's frustrating

[sly kestrel]

may I ask where? Bc I’ve been told like a million times that that’s not what they wanted and not what they intended
That’s also why I gave up looking at the lore

[tranquil harbor]

They at least have a basic idea of what happened, in a way that implies they still have more than we do

They know who the king is, for example

[sly kestrel]

There’s a lot of concrete details I found but it’s hard to make theories when most of the stuff is called non canon anyway

[amber creek]

Ayo @ devs drop the lore doc just for funsies

[tranquil harbor]

Stupid nondisclosure agreements

[sly kestrel]

Here take this lore bomb from 2 years ago that no one figured out

[queen forum]

…And it’s several hundred pages long.

[tranquil harbor]

joking or you've heard this?

[amber creek]

It's called a novel my dude

[queen forum]

Joking, unfortunately. But I could see a full lore doc being like, a hundred pages if it has everything.

[tranquil harbor]

I don't think it has everything, but it probably has key details of the backstory. Like if the king went evil or if the calamity was just a genuine accident

[queen forum]

If they ever release a real Sky Novel set in the past we’re gonna have a field day here with it.

[sly kestrel]

I mean there was sort of a concrete story that was given, but it was a concept idea and there’s a lot of stuff that makes it different from the current story even tho there’s tons of similarities
Also Ash did confirm the king is canon in the current lore so there’s that little speck of hope

[amber creek]

Side note this channel is surprisingly more peaceful than gen just because no one is complaining about spoilers not being sensored. I spent 5 minutes in gen and thats enough for me

[queen forum]

And here is usually less chaotic…usually.

[sly kestrel]

Gen chat is a different breed

[final mist]

The lore gang talked abt this yesterday, that crabs seem to walk in the pattern of a reversed gratitude symbol and 8 shape

[tranquil harbor]

There is a fine line between being vague and just being wasteful. Like, give me more elder characterization!

Gen moves at the speed of sound

[formal skiff]

Gen chat is scary

[keen shore]

I’m late to the party but I imagine the main hospitals of the kingdom would be near Eden. Why? Everyone knows where it is, and if you can’t be saved and die, you don’t have to travel far to be reborn

[amber creek]

I'm very glad I'm not the only one that gen is a little . . . Special ||toxic||

[tranquil harbor]

The one time I went they were rather pleasant. I was worried about some people having a go at each other, but apparently they're really just friends like that

[sly kestrel]

Oh u should’ve seen how “toxic” it was when season of dreams came out and there was all this drama about the cosmetics being used

[queen forum]

Imagine Sky Kid hospitals. Since I assume we’re healed by fire, we wouldn’t need much. Imagine you break your arm and they just chuck you into a fireplace.

[tranquil harbor]

Spirits who adopt sky kids getting worried when they get home with an injury and rush for the first aid kit, only to find their kid has climbed into the fireplace

[formal skiff]

Me yesterday

[keen shore]

you know what. I am actually going to agree with you on this but maybe not with the candle part, I’m not fully sure about that yet… although iirc praying acolyte does use candles to light their friends graves? Can’t remember, need to check

[sly kestrel]

do we even need hospitals
We don’t feel cold, we can’t break bones (I doubt we have any), we don’t get sick, the only thing that rlly harms us is losing light
So yea throwing them in a campfire IS the proper treatment if there were skykid hospitals
The ancestors how ever most likely did need them

[final mist]

Imagine a season about medical spirits in sky

(Or a season of cooking food)

[amber creek]

I kind of mentioned something about common ancestors being of light or being made of the same light as the spirits

[queen forum]

Yeah, I doubt it. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a “care station” in the Wasteland after a rather specific area for any Skids who were krilled.

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think skykids existed at the time of the ancestors

[tranquil harbor]

Get into the elder room and get swarmed by spirits to make sure you didn't get hurt

[final mist]

There is one, fallen from sky in one of isle spirit’s memory

[formal skiff]

Yeah, they did not

[tranquil harbor]

Give me the food season! Let my child eat!

[queen forum]

Forest Mama turns into real mama the second one of her precious Star Cubs gets hurt.

[tranquil harbor]

She's impatient and would make you help with chores if you stayed around her too long, but she probably cares

Stupid timer: We think that's the king Kaoru

[sly kestrel]

I think there were multiple generations of ancestors, cuz the only thing that made sense of the spirit memories and murals was that there was a generation of ppl who existed when the kingdom thrived, and there was another generation of ppl who existed AFTER the destruction of everything

[queen forum]

There was a theory here a few days ago that that kid grew up to be the King based on the murals in the Prophecy cave.

[final mist]

I have thought abt that too

[sly kestrel]

The season of abyss for example, the murals seemed to be drawn by a separate generation of ppl who existed way before the seasonal spirits who seemed like they were just visiting that area for resources

[tranquil harbor]

The switch trailer says 'centuries before the stars fell', and then we follow an ancestor family. The elders are implied to also be stars. So I'm not sure if it's talking about them or the kids

[amber creek]

Yeah when they released the full end to the story they definitely need to release an official recap

[final mist]

Yes

[queen forum]

If it’s ever released. I can see them going a route where they want to keep the mysteries a mystery.

[amber creek]

We kind of fall from the sky like a star when we get reborned. And the winged light turn into stars in eden

[final mist]

I ….need ….sky’s art concept book

[sly kestrel]

There’s a ton of concepts in the pins, the tom zhao concepts are my favorite
There’s a lot of stuff showing the king

Like this

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, but does the switch trailer mean centuries before us or centuries before the elders

[amber creek]

I'll be honest I'm lazy I just want them to hand me to lore and art in a nice packet when all is said and done because I'm definitely missing a lot of lore from not looking at all the art 😂

[undone trench]

I wonder how darkness became a thing,

[amber creek]

So the king is the storm it basically shows it right there

[queen forum]

I think it was always there, like the light, but what the ancestors did and other shenanigans caused the balance between the two to become unstable and the darkness took over.

[sly kestrel]

not rlly, the king CAUSED the storm but he isn’t literally the storm
Well that’s what I read based on the concepts but I’m pretty sure there were a lot of different ideas

[amber creek]

Would little prince and king be the same person? I missed that season

[final mist]

I am late to the lore chat party, but for season of prophecy, i think prophets live in a time earlier than other realms.

Since the 8 students in prophets memories, are all younger version of spirits we see in other realms.

[queen forum]

If they were that would be an amazing twist.

[tranquil harbor]

No, little prince is someone else entirely. It's a crossover season.

The king isn't the storm though, that's just concept

[sly kestrel]

The king is the guy throwing spears at u and u supposed to save him
There were a lot of ideas about how he even ended up there
And no, the little prince is basically an alien if u rlly think about it
He wasn’t apart of the sky world

[outer hare]

Ummm......uNiVeRsE oF SkY ✨

[keen shore]

I know people are taking this as a joke (understandable) but it is serious. I mean, think about it. Spirits seem to be at risk of petrifying some time after dying, something solvable with fire but probably best avoided, so you avoid it as much as possible by putting all the main hospitals near Eden. The vault is right there to store all the knowledge you could possibly need (they might even have a subsection of it that is just a hospital now that I think about it). Eden seems to be pretty important to the kingdom because of its massive light beam in the center but there aren’t too many individual residential style structures, jsut tons of large buildings there. There are tons of pipes scattered around, carrying either clean water or carrying away waste, both of which imply it was heavily populated at some point, but like I mentioned earlier there’s only a few large buildings instead of many small ones

Headcanon that Eden was like a hospital/medical hub

[outer hare]

Eden to me seems like the bigger version of whatever abyss was meant to be. ( im not quite sure what im writing anymore so excuse me if i write something weird and incoherent )

[keen shore]

“The king is the guy throwing spears at u” can I join them? Is this allowed? Sounds fun!

[harsh pecan]

I mean Eden is a mountain and the Abyss area is an island but I see your point

[sly kestrel]

I mean the top of eden that got separated looks more like it was meant to be a place where ppl lived

[tranquil harbor]

I think Eden is just the kingdom's capitol

[outer hare]

As in based on the style of both buildings it seems that abyss couldve been a kind of prototype.

[keen shore]

I would agree with you, but comparing the architecture to known cities like Valley, there isn’t much similarities. Like I mentioned, a few large buildings instead of many small ones [houses]

[queen forum]

I think that would be more like the Royal Palace, not a regular city.

[outer hare]

Seems more like a temple tbh (eden)

[final mist]

Yea and there were quite a few greek temples like buildings. Big stone statues.

The 𓆩✧︎𓆪 light corridor looks kinda like hidden corridor in a palace/ temple/ religion place

[amber creek]

Valley was one of the few villages

[harsh pecan]

Ooo yea, personally I think Eden was built before the Abyss area

[harsh pecan]

Valley was probs a city imo but there were villages

[outer hare]

I feel like it would be a temple because it also has the little meditation thingy made of stone that you can see when you fly up into orbit (pls warn me if this is a spoiler) if you get it, you get it. if not ask me for more context.

[queen forum]

And Forest was probably more like…the suburbs. We see houses and buildings there, made out of trees, just not a lot of them

[frigid tinsel]

Specifically Eden is probable to be the kingdom’s holyland, where people go to ascend. Also the name “Eden” implies holiness. Idk how the ancestors revered this sort of sacredness. Could people live in Eden casually or could only people who managed Eden live there?

[amber creek]

Definitely a city but it was just had an intact village

[tranquil harbor]

Valley is a city. It's stated 'the people there enjoyed the race that went through the city'. Village of Dreams is connected to it though. Maybe they're like suburbs

[outer hare]

Valley is like the capital of a state ( not the capital of the entire country but still important)

[tranquil harbor]

??? I said nothing about Valley being a capitol

[sly kestrel]

I think the abyss area was built before eden
Cuz the way I saw it, the abyss area seemed ancient and used ancient building styles (not to mention they still used murals), whereas eden used more of the dark stone tech and pipes which made it seem like it was more modern and rich. Also the overall buildings and structures looked like they were made in a much later time

[final mist]

So many giant pipes before the 𓆩✧︎𓆪 light corridor

Wonder if they were used in pumping waste out from the area skykid sacrifice themselves…. And where does all those dark water came from.

[outer hare]

Oh sorry i think i pressed on the wrong thing to reply on

[amber creek]

Valley was more of a major city. Like where you would go for entertainment or to watch sport events

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[final mist]

“Uptown” from what tgc said

[outer hare]

I think the pipes were exposed after the explosion ( as in the may have been covered up before you know big bomb explosion thingy )

[tranquil harbor]

Valley has a distinction from the rich and working class housing. But there are no signs of slums.

[sly kestrel]

valley was that and more actually
This was a concept and said by some other ppl but valley consists of 2 sides, the rich and the more poor side which consisted of the working ppl. The rich side consisted of larger and more advanced buildings that looked like luxury, while the bottom houses were more simple and consisted of lower class ppl
However both sides would still come together to watch the events in the center of valley

[harsh pecan]

Maybe the slums are in a place that we currently can’t see in-game

[amber creek]

I feel like wasteland could have been a slum like an industrial area where people work in factories. Hense the pipes

[tranquil harbor]

Even in concept they're not mentioned, even though a class divide of some sort is. It makes the Valley seem especially well run

[outer hare]

Egg Xactly.

[queen forum]

That would make sense. The poorest people are resigned to get the dirtiest and most dangerous jobs.

[queen forum]

If there’s a difference between rich and poor, so we know what the ancestors used as a form of money? Have we seen any coins or stuff like that?

[tranquil harbor]

That said, in the switch trailer Isle is shown to be a vibrant field. Wasteland might not have been, well, a wasteland

So far they only use candles

[keen shore]

Yeah like - everyone seems to assume Eden is a city, but I know if I lived in a world similar to sky, I’m not sure I would want to live next to the Giant Laser That Beams Dead People Into Space. For one it’s too bright and I wouldn’t be able to sleep, and for two, although I am comfortable with my own mortality, I feel like a fair amount of people would not be comfortable enough to live next to a constant reminder of it

[amber creek]

Prairie was more of a farming/mining community and forest was a suburb area where people travel for jobs

[tranquil harbor]

Prairie was the farmers and forest was the miners

[formal skiff]

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[queen forum]

I mean their views on dying and the afterlife would likely be vastly different to our own.

[outer hare]

I have a feeling its more of just a farming/arts community

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think they intended for eden to be like that at first
I mean there’s a reason why they called it eden in the first place, they wanted it beautiful

[amber creek]

Prairie had the craftsman

[tranquil harbor]

According to the pin poems at ThatSkyShop, prairie is the farming area

[queen forum]

I always thought the “Eye of Eden” meant the whole area is the eye and therefore the center, and that the whole world we’ve traveled is referred to as “Eden”.

[sly kestrel]

The “eye” is most likely referring to the enormous diamond (which I highly believe was a giant piece of dark stone)
While eden was meant to represent everything else

[frigid tinsel]

Eye prob refers to the eye of the storm, the center of Eden now being the center of the storm

[sly kestrel]

Oh yea that too
Well either way I do believe eden was the name of the entire place

In a way I guess u could say it was the king’s main palace and wasn’t meant for others to rlly live there

[keen shore]

The conversation we had a while ago about painting and naming mantas, where it was mentioned light whisperer would paint CRIMINAL on all caps on mantas who kept getting into trouble and stealing things, has forever changed my perception of them for the better

[frigid tinsel]

Could be like a castle setup where the space around the castle functioned as the kingdom’s downtown

[queen forum]

That’s probably the most human thing I’ve ever heard any spirit do.

[keen shore]

Would love a conversation sometime that is just oddly human spirit headcanons. I’ll start. The peeking postman keeps getting begged by skykids to tug them around in their mail sled

[queen forum]

The Admiring Actor signed his autograph with a different signature each time, just to screw with people and have fun.

[uncut pond]

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