lore-discussion-spoilers

[half shadow]

“are we napping? okay i’ll nap too”

[tranquil harbor]

'Fainting' Soldier take 2

[tranquil harbor]

Also fish what outfit are you wearing?

[half shadow]

I getcha but tbh, I do think it’s a pretty natural response for most players to instinctively take a second and try to wake them by honking or something like that. a little immersion to shake them would’ve been nice, though, i’ll admit

[half shadow]

Gloating Narc pants + Angler cape! it’s my unofficial “diving uniform” but sometimes I swap the cape for the fishtail one

[tranquil harbor]

It's a natural response, but I want something a tad more in-depth. Like, I don't want to just honk, I want to touch her and make sure she's okay.

I thought it was the narc pants but they look super brown

[rapid arrow]

My sky kid looked so done when we got trapped in the void

[half shadow]

oh light not again

[tranquil harbor]

"I wasn't scheduled for Eden till Tuesday"

[rapid arrow]

I also constantly looked back and Cannoneer to mask sure they were still there. Can’t wait to relive it so I good record and hold cannoneers hand as well

[half shadow]

yeah, theyve just got some interesting lighting sometimes due to how dark blue they are, plus I was also recharging still I think so the warm orange makes them look brown

[rapid arrow]

I came up with some dumb little narration for that photo anyone want to hear it?

[raw crypt]

i think my image is mildly funny bc i forgot i was in laidback stance like “lol ive been there u’ll be fine in 10”

(its even more. yeah. considering my characters lore 💀 )

[lofty void]

JEJDJJDJDJ HELP 💀

[formal skiff]

Many creatures!

[tranquil harbor]

I need to go back and check if the krill is gone. Are the sea life the default now?

[rapid arrow]

Sky OC: “Oh please tell me we’re not doing this again”
Cackling Cannoneer: Groans of pain

[formal skiff]

HEELLLLPPPPP I’M SO SAD THEY ALL ASCENDED I WASN’T READY TO SAY GOODBYE

[tranquil harbor]

I'm thinking of how I could stand on the rocks in the prophecy cave and look like I'm floating to my friend who hadn't done that trial yet, and the krill getting replaced by sea life and how funny it would be to trick a friend.
"Get away, the krill is there!!! ... It didn't see you???"
"Nah bro it's fine"
-friend gets krilled testing it out-

[formal skiff]

Amazing-

[rigid mural]

cackling cannoneer... tgc knew what they were doing

[lofty void]

PLEASE DONT LET THIS BE ANOTHER FIELD TRIP
(i dunno my brain is fried)

[tranquil harbor]

They have the best emote of the entire season. If I use anything besides level 4 assume I've been hacked

[rigid mural]

the hairstyle is 😳
but yeah maybe with future seasons or findings, that final cutscene might give us insights on the fate of spirits when they perish

[tranquil harbor]

I like the anxious angler's cape a lot. Cannoneer's cosmetics are for people who like edgy (positive way) or rough and tumble styles, and I want to be cute

[pastel brook]

ktjn's clones are watching

[half shadow]

Cannoneer’s mask is my favorite. I love how the eye holes almost give the skykid a kind of impish expression compared to the normal dot eyes

[raw crypt]

skybot jumpscare while im trying to theorize

[half shadow]

tgc: i’m gonna give the gays everything they want gif

[rigid mural]

i think a good chunk of the devs aren't both staight and cis, so that checks out

[tranquil harbor]

If you think Cannoneer is a chick she's a lesbian's dream, and if you think Cannoneer is a dude he's got the bad boy impish charm. Enby cannoneer has all of that too. Like, the perfect spirit

[half shadow]

Cannoneer appeals to all. you are not immune to Cannoneer

[lofty void]

canoneer is the god of the gays.

[sharp lichen]

Cannoneer doesn’t have a gender, they are gender

[formal skiff]

Yes they are and i want to steal their gender
The gender envy is strong
Maybe in return for saving them, they’ll give me their gender??

[raw crypt]

THATS WHERE THE ICON CAME FROM?

[native shoal]

||I didn’t see krill on the way up so I think they disappear after the quest||

[formal skiff]

Yeah I didn’t see them either

[rapid arrow]

Just Cannoneer brain rot

[tranquil harbor]

I'd need to check the area. Temporarily getting rid of the krill so you don't triumphantly escape the mega krill only to get smacked while holding on to Cannoneer is smart game design

[lofty void]

yep

[formal skiff]

True

[raw crypt]

The one krill in front of the door goes away, but the tower ones stay I think

[tranquil harbor]

But oh god that'd be so funny.
Cannoneer: This kid saved my life, they're not so bad, I respect them-
Door Krill: Hello
Cannoneer: Never mind

[formal skiff]

Lol yeah

[rapid arrow]

Do I have a small crush on Cannoneer. Yes .
will I be drawing fan art of my sky kid oc and then. Also yes

[native shoal]

The first time you see an underwater krill

[formal skiff]

Me but gender envy

[native shoal]

And then you see the king krill and it ||EATS CANNONEER||

[formal skiff]

YES THAT WAS SO COOL

[tranquil harbor]

And us. That's a pretty significant thing it does

Like forget Cannoneer, we are the protagonists here

[formal skiff]

I will never forget cannoneer

[tranquil harbor]

No one can. That last quest branded Cannoneer into the hearts of everyone. If you were neutral toward Cannoneer before u love them now.

The fact that that happened despite us having to drag Cannoneer around like literal dead weight is amazing

[sand cedar]

So considering the last quest…. ||does that mean that a manta saved the cannoneer from king krill and almost death? They are spirits and we are only just reliving what they had gone through…or are we somehow giving them a better end to their original story….meaning they did actually die but as a spirit now we can at least give them peace?||

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible the spirits still interact with the world as if they're 'alive'. It depends on how you take the lore

[sand cedar]

True. It’s something I’ve been thinking about considering all seasons. Almost like managing to help these spirits do what they couldn’t do before in some cases (like the spirits of season of enchantment )

While others are 100% memories that did come to pass (season of dreams)

[tranquil harbor]

Really? I took Season of Dreams to be something we participated in and helped with

[distant turtle]

Can I write about final quest from season without spoiler tag?

[tranquil harbor]

Yes. Lore discussion is a spoiler zone. Some use the spoiler tag to be 'extra polite' but that's only being kind. If someone doesn't wanna be spoiled they need to not be in lore chat for a bit

[foggy lotus]

Tbh i was more annoyed to save them
one of my thought was “The next time you do this im going to bring up your (cannoneer’s) body”

[tranquil harbor]

You already brought up their body tho

[distant turtle]

I want to share my interpretation of the murals now that the quest is done. I used to think the murals meant that they are making diamonds from the creatures. Now I’m not sure. Now I think maybe the murals just meant that they could appease the leviathan by feeding it creatures, so that they could mine without being eaten themselves.

[sand cedar]

I personally saw it more as watching the young dancer be able to finally dance and be on stage since we did mostly watch how the village came together to help them, tho that really just brings up more fun lore theories depending how peeps take it

[distant turtle]

||but what was that darkness plant? Was it implying that the leviathan is like an aquatic version of a titan, with a manta inside “jacked in”?||

[tranquil harbor]

We're currently working under the theory that the Manta is the one who taught us to dive, and the darkness plant is how the Leviathan digests its food. Which gives implications that the corruption is parasitic in nature.

[rapid arrow]

I saw it as in every darkened creature, there’s a being of light inside. Trapped but a reminder of what they once were

[tulip aspen]

commodore................

thanks for spoiler tagginf, yall, means a lot lmao

[distant turtle]

My headcanon was that commodore and cannoneer go back, so I liked that they had a moment

[tranquil harbor]

-shrug- We tried that earlier but someone broke the fake truce we made and we all kind of collectively went 'screw it, people who come in here know there are spoilers. they are not babies'

[sharp lichen]

Cannoneer competes with Fire Prophet and Light Whisperer for the hottest spirit in Sky

[distant turtle]

I’ve avoided here all day when server was down

[tranquil harbor]

I'm sorry, the fire prophet is considered attractive? He looks like a jolly fat uncle

[distant turtle]

But those moves

[rapid arrow]

THEY DO. my friend was talking about the prophecy guide was really hot

[sharp lichen]

Can this convince you?

[tranquil harbor]

fire prophet and prophecy guide are different people

[tranquil harbor]

Absolutely not

[sharp lichen]

Then, nothing can

[distant turtle]

Darunia-tier

[tranquil harbor]

Because I have good taste in men /lh

[sharp lichen]

Are you sure about that? What spirits do you like? /lh

[tranquil harbor]

As far as masculine spirits? Prophecy guide. He doesn't look like my grandfather
Cannoneer possibly if I thought they were a dude but I don't

[sharp lichen]

OH SNAP (yes they’re cool)

I like the Prophecy Guide’s mask a lot. If you look closely, you can see the entrance to the Prophecy Cave on the top of it

[half shadow]

Ceasing Commodore is my post transition goals

[tranquil harbor]

You need that dad bod /lh

[half shadow]

Lively Navigator as well, i just think they’re neat

[tranquil harbor]

Now he's handsome
I just said prophecy guide and cannoneer because they were on the top of my head

[rapid arrow]

I getting both gender envy and the fact that I have a crush? On Cackling Cannoneer. Which one happened first I have no idea

[half shadow]

I like their emote a lot lol I like making the big green light, it’s helpful guiding ppl in Eden

[formal skiff]

I… have gender envy for most of the spirits. And Sky kids. I’d look like either in an instant if I had the choice. But especially Cannoneer.

[half shadow]

Trans People 🤝 GNC People 🤝 Queer People

having gender envy for sky spirits

[half shadow]

Ceasing Commodore’s gender is Captain

Anxious Angler’s gender is Concern™️

Cannoneer’s gender is that one tumblr post that’s like “So I can either bake these cookies at 400 degrees for 10 minutes, or 4,000 degrees for 1 minute”

[tranquil harbor]

Bumbling Boatswain's gender is Bumbling

Btw we still don't have Cannoneer's bio. TGC plz

[half shadow]

Angler: no that’s not how you bake cookies friend!!

Cannoneer: FLOOR IT?

Angler: nO

Cannoneer: HOW ABOUT 4,000,000 DEGREES FOR 1 SECOND

Angler: YOU ARE GOING TO BURN THE BOAT DOWN

[formal skiff]

Cannoneer: *half-drowns to spite them *

[half shadow]

Cannoneer in booming loud “I am the Captain” voice: I will turn this ship around—

[tranquil harbor]

And then ceasing commodore has to show up and use his emote on these nutty kids

[rigid mural]

headcanon the crew had to prepare something warm for cannoneer (and possibly the player) after that quest
maybe we could set them up a campfire

[rapid arrow]

AWWW

[tranquil harbor]

the rebreather on the child is a nice touch

[tulip aspen]

he'll never surpass [redacted] commodore.........

[sharp lichen]

He already did!

[raw crypt]

why are we pitting two kings against eachother 😔 they are both my friends

[lofty void]

do they have marshmellows and chocolate bars and crackers too?

[rapid arrow]

There was that one time in air trial there was a player that looked like the Cackling Cannoneer and I was to my friend. “We have to friend them.”

[tranquil harbor]

Did you succeed?

[raw crypt]

AW
i need to dress up as spirits more, its fun

[rapid arrow]

Yes yes I did

[tranquil harbor]

Well Jam just got muted in front of my very eyes. We should maybe move this convo in a different direction

[rapid arrow]

Uhhhhhh, anyone have any dumb headcannons about sky ocs? Or spirits

[tranquil harbor]

If the spirits are still 'living' as if they were alive, then they are the ones who take in sky children. They start doing it because 'Oh hey, baby has no where to sleep' and then it's suddenly 'whoops, we have a/another child now'

[native shoal]

Do skykids even sleep?

[tranquil harbor]

Yes, if you go AFK long enough u get zzz's coming off your kid

[native shoal]

That’s adorable

[raw crypt]

I hc that skykids, just as how spirits have their own constellations, like to make constellations with their friend group, and i also hc that spirits constellations will show on them, and the same would happen for skykids when they make their own constellation

[tranquil harbor]

Going off this: Adopted sky kids are known to disappear for days at a time because they need to help the spirits and do whatever their little sky kid jobs are, but they do return. They're known to stay the longest with their new family after eden trips

[rapid arrow]

One of my favourite hc to bounce around was that we the players were around before Eden went bye bye and exploded

[tranquil harbor]

Like sky kids were?

[rapid arrow]

Yep! They were adopted children of the spirits that were then alive, but when ended went boom we lost everything that we had gained and were sent back to mega bird. We were then sent back down to slowly regain our pasts and what happened, some were sent down earlier and other were only sent down later

[tranquil harbor]

-slight nod- I kinda get it, but I'm nearing bed time for me so it's slow to process

[sharp lichen]

@blazing spade When talking about “King”, I’m thinking of 2 people. Either the Beckoning King from Prince, or Resh the Eden Elder. Should I elaborate?

Then again I have no idea what that person was saying

[blazing spade]

I thought of the beckoning king from prince but whom is Resh 🤔

[wet sorrel]

You cant get Your friends outfits becuse skykid dont want to steal from acuall friend

Friendship with any other spirit its just their way to steal the outfit easily

[sharp lichen]

In the concept art, Resh was proposed to be a final boss at the end of Eden. But now, we know Resh as the Elder of the Eye of Eden. They’re thought to be the first Skykid, and they were the ones who created the Storm. If you watch the Switch Trailer, we have assumed that the small child is Resh

[blazing spade]

Ohh ok interesting

[tranquil harbor]

Resh is not their canon name, but it is a concept name and fans often use it
also this is the first time I've heard about the switch trailer kid is Resh theory Baudshaw where

[blazing spade]

Oh ok cause im was like “since when did we have actual names for the spirits” lol

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah we definitely don't. Just concept names

[blazing spade]

Ill have to watch the switch trailer lol

[tranquil harbor]

The switch trailer is gorgeous. The end might make u cry tho when you realize exactly what's happening

[sharp lichen]

Just to Elaborate, is Teth the person we see accompanying the person in the Switch trailer?

[tranquil harbor]

No, Teth is the concept name of Forest Elder, and she's huge

[tawdry whale]

i know skids and spirits can make physical contact (probably their inner light making contact with the spirit's), same for humans and skids (their shell), but i wonder how it would work with a human and a spirit? not at all?

[tranquil harbor]

It's just a random family of spirits

[tranquil harbor]

Perhaps the spirits can make themselves tangible?

[tawdry whale]

they CAN pick up physical things like the abyss diamonds

[native shoal]

You can receive hugs

[tranquil harbor]

their original idea already explained sky kids to spirit interaction, and they asked about human to spirit interaction

[tawdry whale]

yeh
maybe their incorporeal form is still concentrated enough to be physical?
i do not actually know the words that i am saying

[tranquil harbor]

We've all been there. Just know that 99% of the time, there isn't likely to be canon evidence to prove you're wrong.

[native shoal]

Ancestors just staring at the ceiling, trying to sleep, regretting adopting a skid with the crab call

[tranquil harbor]

Because the lore is ~vague~ -ominous finger wiggles-

[tranquil harbor]

Crabs show up in dark, abandoned seeming places. I wonder if they're the sky equivalent to rats.
Spirits adopt a crab call child and think they got rats in the house before realizing their kid was calling for them because they had a nightmare or something

[tawdry whale]

that means pleading parent is eating RATS 😭

[tranquil harbor]

No, Mantas are used like flying horses. I said 'rats' because they're a common pest, not because I think they're treated as a 1 for 1 ratio in the sky world culturally

[tawdry whale]

no i know i just thought it was funni

[wet sorrel]

Why is no one talking about the manta that child and i think maybe father is riding

I think this manta maybe is the first krill becuse we can see that they show how it light the way with yellow light

[tranquil harbor]

We've talked about it before. It's definitely one of the possible krill theories
Like don't worry, we have not been sleeping on it

[tawdry whale]

uncorrupted juvenile kriLL?

[foggy lotus]

rock rats

[tranquil harbor]

It's so adorable!

[foggy lotus]

cronch

[tranquil harbor]

Come on, at least peel the shell first

[tawdry whale]

i guess they could also be like uncorrupted = domestic rats, corrupted = wild
WHAT IF THERE WERE CRAB BREEDS

[tranquil harbor]

Like pigs and boars?

[tawdry whale]

yeh! like dumbo/fancy rats too
this makes me want a farm season 😭 u just help out on the farm

[tranquil harbor]

Please, TGC, we need a big wheat field that our kid can run thru! It's vital!

[tulip aspen]

just a tiny pebble with light inside

[tranquil harbor]

Oh hey Jam, welcome back to the world of the unmuted

[foggy lotus]

you hold them like this

[rigid mural]

omg ok hang on a minute

[tranquil harbor]

Vela vs Lotus, cute art fight go

[foggy lotus]

AGIJEDHGSJIDUGDHIJHWDBJWDNJJSHDIWH CUTE

[tranquil harbor]

They're friends

[sharp lichen]

PH MY GOODNESS

[native shoal]

I did put a tiny mouse cosmetic on the wishlist, I doubt anything will come from it but hopefully

[tranquil harbor]

You know what would be great for a farm season? You get wax from the veggies like popping granny's cooking, but what your kid is actually doing is getting paid for helping harvest

[amber wyvern]

Ok guys ||why was the leviathan's inside like eden||

[native shoal]

People have theorized that it’s the in between

[tranquil harbor]

My theory is that that space is merely the transitional space between life and death. Spirits and animals have a hard time with it, but our sky kids are more resilient (especially if we have light)

A sky child going there without light risks them becoming one of the fallen (assuming we're getting out on our own and that light kid isn't a winged light another sky kid gave us)

[amber wyvern]

Ohh ok, im just very confused by abyss last quest, ruby eats us, then we go to that zone and save the manta, which i suppose is ruby itself or the manta that gave us the ability to swim in the beginning
Then the krill spits us and we saved the abyss or smth idk

[tranquil harbor]

Oh my god, calling the mega krill Ruby is so cute
The most popular theory is that the manta trapped inside is the one who taught us to dive, yes.

[amber wyvern]

Ye, some beta players called the mega krill ruby
I was there when we were thinking on what else to give it, we ended up with eel krill or ruby

[tranquil harbor]

I've heard 'Leviathan' 'King Krill' 'Queen Krill' 'Mega Krill' 'Big Krill' 'Krill Pa'
For some reason we all just went 'that's a variant of a krill my dudes'

[amber wyvern]

But then what does the manta have to do with ruby? We saved the manta, and suddenly ruby said "nope" and spit us xD

[tulip aspen]

i am absolutely down for more rock-shelled light critters

and our rock rats can sometimes bear game mechanic too; they're a moving candle to light!
(might have to be seasonal or special elsehow otherwise i just would never try to chase them lmao)

[tranquil harbor]

Considering the manta teaches us how to dive (and has spirit properties by coming out of the rock, like Oreo), it's currently theorized that this manta is a special one.
I believe it's the guardian of the reef, for example

[amber wyvern]

Ohhh okay, that explains it!

[tulip aspen]

miri is a merciful and benevolent god

[tranquil harbor]

Sucking up so they don't mute you again huh? /lh

[tulip aspen]

eww no

[still hill]

when i first saw him i named him Kronos!

[jovial nacelle]

Ok, so I've got a theory:

Sky kids are able to learn anything as long it's taught to them, for example, the spirits. Sky kids are able to perform these actions flawlessly in an instant by just reviewing memories. However, the interesting thing is that sky kids were only able to dive by learning it from an animal, (e.g the spirit manta in abyss)

It could be that before the cataclysm of the sky world, the elders prepared the constellations for sky kids to learn and grow on because they already knew that the sky will soon lose their stars and fall into obscurity. The elders knew that they aren't limited to the spirits only to teach the sky kids but also the animals, a sky kid managed to dive because of a manta. So, does that mean that there are other animals the Elders prepared that are waiting to teach us?

[tranquil harbor]

I don't know what you thought I meant, but I don't know why that illicits an 'ew'

[jovial nacelle]

i silenced lore chat

[tranquil harbor]

You didn't, I'm thinking
Also there is a 37 second cool down

[tulip aspen]

cos thats sounds lame lmao

[tranquil harbor]

Okay Beanie, so like, the elders knew stuff was about to go down and prepared for the kingdom's fall?

[jovial nacelle]

basically

[still hill]

seeing the big guy for the first time with a krill by him made me think of Kronos and Rhea, i thought it was neat that it reflected the legend when kronos "threw up" his children lead to his demise

[tranquil harbor]

It's one of the more interesting theories I've seen so far

[jovial nacelle]

I mean, it's likely because there is literally a Vault of Knowledge and magicians. So, it's possible there's future-seeing AKA clairvoyance

[tranquil harbor]

Okay, I'm going to bed.

[jovial nacelle]

Okay, sleep well-

[tulip aspen]

we do indeed have a literal cave of prophecy ehe

[white dagger]

PROPHET!!! PROPHET!!!!! I PROPHESIES!!!

[boreal nebula]

Wanna know more about this OLD BETA meme !

Cue drama indeed

[boreal nebula]

IDK if you already iterated this kind of issue with 4th Quest ( I'm not on par with all your uploads )

[rigid mural]

I'm not really sure I get what's going on 😅 What's in the bubble of the elder beast on the second panel ?

[boreal nebula]

Tried to make a emoticon :-) ... but with dracula teeth 🧛
😅

Moth misunderstand and scavenging for Resources deactivate too many things GW Temple door included

[rigid mural]

OH I GET IT NOW

[boreal nebula]

I think The fact about that darkplant There aligns with an old theory of mine about Tearful LightMiner 's "lover" covered in darkplants as a figurative representation of depression

HOLD ON! Was this a thing That happened before to a lone Ancestor before Leviathan was Captured ?

OR

It is a prophecy of what will have happened to Connoneer ?!

F O R E S H A D O W I N G

[deep geyser]

I thought the canoneer became the manta but then it showed the canoneer again

[foggy lotus]

i am confusion bc of the quest

[agile sun]

posting in here bc a whole bunch of stuff suddenly clicked for me

after the final quest, I suddenly understood why the abyss questgiver is this random girl that doesn't seem to do anything other than stand there like I think it's because we as the skykid are taking the place of the girl, and the girl is 1) the daughter of the captain and 2) the younger SISTER of cackling cannoneer aka cackling cannoneer = the older child of the captain. For me it explains why cackling cannoneer is smug when they have more diamonds and upset when they have less diamonds than us, they want to do better than their sister to "prove" themselves to their father which is why they keep trying so hard to outdo us.

[cosmic scarab]

Is there an entry level “widely accepted theories” something I can read just as a lore primer?

[pulsar iris]

There was a doc that was passed around, but idk if its been discontinued or not

So did krill originate from the water or 👀 ?

[tulip aspen]

yep, it has seemed like we definitely take the place of abyss guide, and everything we did is just what they did in the story so long ago

that sounds really cool that they might actually all be family
really wholesome too

[boreal nebula]

Did Cannoneer risked to die? Even if shei is already a spirit?

My theory is, yes!

They are spirits and souls but they can risk too. I think the term for this could be relatable to Nihilism (Life ends up into nothingneSs, void if you like )

After all even if they are dead they can risk a fate worse than deaTh, they get completely forgotten and never discovered by sky kids, dissolving . We always save tiny soul parts from plants that are almost intterirely drained by darkness

Moth are the Ultimate Lightseekers

[tulip aspen]

well, if this is about an old story the abyss guide went through, then they technically are just going through the motions of the old story

back from when they were alive in the post apocalypse scavenging

luckily that isn't confirmed tho

[raw crypt]

When you mess up a spirit (mostly seen when doing a carry spirit) you get this flavour text, which while spirits are dead, theyre still here just as ghosts, they still have their light/soul/star (seeing you recharge from them), however it seems entirely possible for a spirits light to fade, thus making their death a little more permanent, their light retreats back to the start of the memory when you mess up, but cannoneers light was with them as a whole spirit instead of memories; I think they went down so deep that when their light was surrounded by darkness/had no flame or whatnot, their light just kind of, shut dow/got surpressed/extinguished??? and could’ve faded if we had not arrived (since i believe the quests were doing are in the present, like aware theyre spirits not back when theyre alive or whatnot, if that makes sense, is their final wish fully clearing out the place, maybe GNDHDHD)

[boreal nebula]

I like your idea of being all a family

But about we taking the place of Abyss Guide:

🔴 YES , we took her place and relive what she did (in this case maybe she still is too traumatized to do it herself and we relieve her trauma or she is incapable of doing quests because forgot she had a mask or how to use it) AND all events happened in the PAST
🔵 NO , we are not taking her place (she, as last member of the crew, knows how hard it can be to get accepted in a group, so she vouche for us to let us in) AND all events happened in the PRESENT

So it's all up to what we like more, I guess

[agile sun]

they are spirits for a reason, das all I'll say

[tulip aspen]

^
|
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(im blocked :D)

[frigid tinsel]

okay lorechat i played the quest and I don't feel like reading 1k messages

i mean, I can

[raw crypt]

HAIII, did u like it

shout out to fish

[frigid tinsel]

that was so cool

[sharp lichen]

Still haven’t played it unfortunately: I spent my valuable time trying to find a good Wind Paths OOB

[lofty void]

mmm big fish

[boreal nebula]

I like to thing it is all in the PRESENT and we do live that instead of relive in her stead

I think Abyss Crew is so out of normal Ancestors norms, so carefree and buccaneer (anarchist if you like 😅) that even death cannot stop their crave for scavenging Resources. They keep going on exploring and possibly were stuck there, frozen, without even knowing what they were searching till we come in to help (We live the Quest in Present, not relive from the Past)

After all even the Quests cannot be repeated like in Dreams, Assembly and Flight. They all are one time only like when we restored Forgotten Ark and Sanctuary where we restore to it's former glory

[frigid tinsel]

i wish quests were replayable. ik they're supposed to be in the present thus not replayable cos they're not recordings but ahhhh that was so cool

[keen shore]

Hello everyone. So it turns out my headcanons on massive corrupted creatures being corrupted manta conglomerates may actually now be true and I will not stop talking about it

[boreal nebula]

In case devs update them into being repeatable (not just relive cutscenes) my Present idea would be leess solid

But yeah it would be nicE😁

[frigid tinsel]

i think replayability would be a game mechanic, not true in-universe

[rocky plume]

I missed the picture at the end of sanctuary season because my permissions for storage were wrong and now I can never get it

[keen shore]

Hehehe I recorded the entire fifth quest, don’t worry about needing to replay it to check for stuff again

[frigid tinsel]

not just checking for stuff, it was so cooool
i wanna play it again

[boreal nebula]

I supposed those were eaten, like we were

I guess you may have a point too...
multiple theories 🔵 🔴

[boreal nebula]

I wish I could be dragged by a friend into their first time

But I think it would be just me not seeing anything

If there was not the Server Bug I could have followed someone

We could try to get all inside that quest again by joining Baudshaw#8452 Into its first run

[keen shore]

So odd thing happened with the recording, I went back to look closer at it and apparently the entirety of the quest and the cutscene that just happened after are… gone from it. I know I pressed record before entering the quest… does Sky have some kind of anti screen recording software during quests? Was relying on this to further investigate it after I was done

[frigid tinsel]

were you using your device's screen recording or Sky's in-game recording?

[keen shore]

First one I believe

[frigid tinsel]

Switch or smartphone?

[keen shore]

iPad, has worked fine until now for whatever reason

[frigid tinsel]

iOS screen recording has bugged out for me once before

[keen shore]

Man :-( that’s all I can say at the moment. I guess I can try to find better pictures of the manta overtaken by darkness on YouTube videos of the quest, but I was really relying on the video to go back for myself in the future

This is easily the worst possibly time it could have bugged

[frigid tinsel]

let me fight iCloud storage for a second

[tulip aspen]

too bad these boys were yeeted from beta before abyss released in live, sad

[keen shore]

Yeah, when I click to relive the memory I can only redo the cutscene afterwards. If this server didn’t have a censor I would be posting many curse words right now

[tulip aspen]

(pics by that person btw)

[tulip aspen]

and moreoff, look how different the fishies looked

the fact that they specifically made them have the iconic manta paintjob in live is proof they arent trying to get the point across that these fish are light bois

(sorry for doing my own thing in here btw i havent done 5th quest so i wont input about it at all until tomorrow)

[keen shore]

Extremely off topic but was thinking about this and Realized something… the prophecy guide being raised by the other prophets to become their leader would be a direct parallel to what happened with the king. Like, scarily close

[tulip aspen]

its true, prophet raised by prophets to lead the prophets, king raised by kingdom to lead the kingdom

chilling

[keen shore]

Prophet guide being the leader was confirmed right ? I remember it being an answer to one of my questions

[frigid tinsel]

Upgrade Manta at different stages of darkness infestation (besides the last one which is a 60MB(!) video coming soon to a theater near you)

[keen shore]

THANK YOU!!

[frigid tinsel]

Discord don't test my patience.
Discord testing my patience.
i'll just upload it to youtube

[tulip aspen]

hmm thats a good point, we knock down baudshaw so much but theres no real proof he really is the leader

[frigid tinsel]

oh crap i should've put a spoiler on the pics

[keen shore]

My initial thought seeing the manta first was that it confirmed my ideas on darkness plants being light creature Remains, as well as possibly the idea of corrupted creatures being dead corrupted manta conglomerates, but it’s possible it did just get eaten.

I can definitely see that I’m biased when interpreting this evidence so I’m trying to think of alternate explanations

[frigid tinsel]

||Unleashing Upgrade Manta||: https://youtu.be/BUqHEj0Ogts

[terse crest]

Hi lore folks! I noticed that the Blue Light symbol has changed from a droplet to looking more like the Water symbol from Season of Prophecy. Maybe other colored light symbols have changed, too. Has anyone noticed?

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[frigid tinsel]

Salem writing a whole essay and I inticipate

[keen shore]

Spoilers for final quest
||So thoughts on the upgrade manta. I’m still not feeling great so borderline essay posts and all will probably wait for later.

Have watched the video alasdair provided [which I greatly appreciate] a few times and listed down the things I noticed.
1] Darkness plants crowding around manta body [I think it’s safe to say this manta is probably dead]
2] We have to burn away the darkness plants before filling the hollow shell[? might not be exacfly how it happened] with our light, maybe because they would sap it away and/or already have?
3] Darkness plants being ONCE AGAIN present somewhere where something has died
4] The way the manta “shell” lights up as we put our candle underneath. To me this feels like we’re filling it with light that shines brightly through the outside, maybe to burn away any lingering corruption but I’m not sure.
5] Looks like upgrade manta but could be a completely different manta “spirit”? if it’s the same one that implies it somehow got to where we are and gave us the ability to dive solely so that we would save it. I think it’s another manta that gave us the power for that same reason
6] If manta covered by darkness plants is dead - then that means the skin at the very least is left behind upon death, but the fact that it disappears means these remains are only left behind when cause of death is darkness maybe ??
7] Mantas escaping the leviathans mouth and the manta under the plants seem to be different variants - as in, one is alive and one is maybe a spirit - but it’s hard to tell

In Conclusion, I am very tired and this games lore sometimes makes me feel like every time I attempt to understand it I am wrong ||

[keen shore]

Oooahhj has it… Hmmm let me check something >:3c

The enchantment murals with the light symbols is still the same. Does anyone have a screenshot of the blue light quest from a while back?

#screenshots-and-videos message Teblanko has saved us all. So I guess this is just straight confirmation that enchantment and prophecy lights are the same huh

[frigid tinsel]

i don't think the manta is dead unless you count petrification as effectively dead which wouldn't be wrong ig. here we're chasing away the darkness around it.

[keen shore]

It does turn into a star and then something resembling a spirit immediately after, though

[frigid tinsel]

it also isn't a regular manta tho, hasn't been from the getgo

[keen shore]

Hmmm fair, I am trying to figure out what it is. Best guess at the moment is like the manta version of an ancestor spirit

Evidence

• bluish
• can turn into star
• dissolves [?] in the same way as spirits do in the cutscene where we first meet it
• setting our candle to the orb in its head and slowly lighting it may be the manta version of either booting up a spirit for spirit memories [I am using this term from now on because I like imagining them make the windows startup noise when you light them] or burning away the darkness surrounding the spirit like we do right before we get the emote
• semi Transparwnt

[light tusk]

Heya! So, I had this random thought and I guess here is the best place to write it down so here it is...

Since all the spirits are memories we relive, I've been thinking if we really interact with them during the seasons or if after all the missions we are only reliving the spirit guide's memory of what happened to them and we're kind of self inserted where the guide was at the time? It sounds possible to me given the fact that we don't see much of them while doing their quests but we see the guides interacting with the other spirits while reliving the spirits of that season.

[keen shore]

It seems to depend on the season! For Season of Dreams we’re just kind of there watching it unfold, not really taking anyone’s place but still being part of it. For Sacntuary and Enchantment we’re completing tasks for the spirits. Abyss is a bit weird because we can do either one of these depending on your perspective, we’re either reliving the memories from the abyss guides perspective or completing tasks for them

[light tusk]

Since it varies between seasons maybe it also depends on how the season unfolds but I'm inclined to think that even when we do the tasks for them, it could also be something the guide decided to do by themselves, idk

[tulip aspen]

yee there is no set rule, as some events, such as enchantment assembly and sanct, happen fully in the future

i think, if anything, we can't say any season is "in the past", just sometimes 'based on the past'

that'll honestly clear up a lot of the usual miscreprepancies we've heard over the past months

still pretty weird tho as it means, in real time in front of the skykid, that current seasonal team is just... roleplaying... basically

"it's a memory... but it's not" :D

that doesnt explain stuff like how we let out levi in the first place tho, especially if it's already happened exactly as we experienced it, but in the past to abyss guide

[ivory heath]

damn it’s been a while since i chatted here

[frigid tinsel]

or – hear me out – all these events take place in the present. the spirits are spirits, as spirits. the events are new to them as they are to us

[native shoal]

I like this theory best

[frigid tinsel]

occam's razor – oftentimes the simplest solution is the actual solution

[keen shore]

Am too tired to form coherent thoughts on that
The only thing I will say is this

Saying abyss takes place in present time needs two requirements to be true

1. spirits can move around in the world after being relived [this part is probably true. Pretty sure it happens in flight quests, also the lightseekers near the realm trees]
2. Abyss spirits had a need/want for the darkstone, enough that they would still want it post death. You can say “ohhh maybe they are going after it as an almost instinctual thing - they remember they used to need it but not why, so they still collect it” but this means even after being relived spirits don’t remember Everyfhing

[ivory heath]

i feel like skykids are blind

in this image, you can see that they put their hand on something (like what blind people do to see where they’re going) and like, you have to call to see where your going. it just gives me the blind person vibes. going near a wall, you skykid touches it like its trying to reveal the path using its hands

image not mine

[frigid tinsel]

that's not how actual blind people work

[ivory heath]

damn i think i messed up

[keen shore]

Personally I just think they’re farsighted. They can see stuff great from a long ways away, better than us, but when something gets closer to their face maybe it gets out of focus and they can’t interpret it as well ?

Essentially: they’re used to seeing stuff well so get worried/thrown off when they can’t, which feels more like what happens when someone with sight closes their eyes (or takes off thick glasses or whatever)

[keen shore]

Also, you didn’t mess up! This is a really common assumption based off that piece of evidence within the community, and it keeps getting perpetuated as truth by people who are very loosely involved in the game’s lore (as in, just interested in “fun facts” like this instead of making full on theories about anything)

[frigid tinsel]

so blind people, who are used to being blind, don't actually reach out like that to navigate. they're used to being blind. not only do they have other means of navigation, like the walking stick you'll see some tapping out in front of them, or they often are just used to their surroundings that they don't need to reach out to know where they going.

us sighted people are used to seeing. so when we suddenly cannot see, we reach out to navigate. we are not used to being blind. people who believe skykids are blind just cos they reach out to touch things up close to them are sighted who have maybe been unable to see once or twice in their lives.

also skykids move their heads to look at spirits and each other. actual blind people don't do that – they're blind. they don't need to look. plus they reach out to touch things only when those things are up close. if they were blind, how would know that was near them?

also consider: kids just like touching stuff. it's one way they explore the world. they seldom can keep their grubby hands off stuff.

I'm not mad, I'm just tired.

[keen shore]

They kind of remind me of how my cat works. He can’t see stuff that’s near his face very well so he bumps into it with his whiskers to figure out where and what it is

[frigid tinsel]

tl;dr

[tulip aspen]

ah yes
lapis

[tulip aspen]

yeah its really hard to believe in the 2nd part

[frigid tinsel]

Since I had no reason to throw the Commodore into the ocean I guess you’ll make do instead

[tulip aspen]

yes make me in the same story as commodore nothing will go wrong with that 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t make me write Commodore’s canonical death in my fic

[tulip aspen]

i will burn all of your writings

[keen shore]

I Have pickled him

[frigid tinsel]

Threaten my writing again and I’ll put Google Drive into the abyss

[tulip aspen]

i have them all saved in word

violent threats and commodore make me feel better, thanks al

day made less worse

[keen shore]

I will pickle you too :-)

[tulip aspen]

ngl being larry from veggietales would be fire

i havent played the tuba in a year now damn, i hope i still have the embouchure for it damn

[signal burrow]

How do you guys think food works in Sky? We eat those rolls at the Table of Belonging and they turn into flame. Is the food made of wax? Or is everything just light in its essence? Totally not asking bc I’m doing worldbuilding for fun on Pinterest lol.
Might write about it, might not. Probably just for art.

[gilded socket]

I mean it's kinda like us
The closest objects that we can see are 25 cm in front of us

[inland basin]

I was think ing about this . I am contemplating making a DND race characters could play. So From what I have seen Fire/Warmth/Affection (spiritual warmth) are all nourishing. These beings have an intimate connection with light. They can make it material and llast in a particular form for an unknown time. That is they are conjurors and illusionists. Perhaps a magical or natural version of Star Trek's Holodeck imagery tech. So yes everything has a light essence. I was thinking they 'consumed' an item and in destroying it they take its essense into themselves and can recreate items. So they could be wearing real clothes or psudo illusionary ones. We lose all but some basic clothing if we lose internal energy too much. But essentially we use any source of heat/light potentially as a food source. We recharge in prairie sun, in Birds nest and Sanctuary warm up drafts and the geysers ... etc.

[tulip aspen]

scubed just summed up like 4 important theories i took months to come up with

[gilded socket]

Amazing

[signal burrow]

@inland basin Interesting. I like that. I do think it would add to their culture if they could also eat, though. Tbh I don’t see any reason why it can’t be both, come to think of it. Maybe they eat more for enjoyment.

[inland basin]

Also.... to bring server splits and merges into lore... Whatever happened at Eden... besides damaging the worlds and some portal connections... Also fractured current reality into numerous parallel worlds that are very close to each other and overlap, merge , and split apart. They shattered the physical world, space /spiritual reality with whatever was going on. Those that are in the same world as you are in full color. Those that are close but not quite the same reality but one nearby appear as shadows. interactions cause reality collisions. So you now see the person in full color instead of shadow,... A plant you are approaching or a door that was closed is destroyed or opens in front of you as realities continue to collide and slightly violate causality by having their cause in a neighbor world and the result in the one you observe..

[inland basin]

Agree. They may like the 'taste' of the light geometry or color or whatever .

[signal burrow]

@inland basin Also! If the food is warm, it could in theory actually provide them with some energy!

[inland basin]

Or may actually be able to eat similarly to how we do as well as what I described.

[signal burrow]

@inland basin also they are similar to fire Genasi, going with your dnd theme

[gilded socket]

That's actually an interesting perspective

If I may add, perhaps the stars still register everyone despite being in different parallel realities, which is why you can still use the stars to find your friends.

Actually all things considered do stars actually play a role in lore?

[inland basin]

Well I think they are more like a variant of Janni but live or originated closer to the Positive and Negative material planes than our reality. They petrify so some sort of blend of the clasic elements makes up the physical body. The Die return to 'home plane ( positive material plane maybe) and then come back to a material plane. They apparently drink water ... including polluted darkness water ( intoxication perhaps?) So they are material beings but def outsiders from our perspective.

[tulip aspen]

real stars dont seem to exist in Sky, we can't see any anyways, only the sun of that galaxy

[signal burrow]

@inland basin Tbh I don’t know what Janni are. But yeah I was discussing with someone else how the spirits seem to be in a different dimension from us.
And yeah, I never really understood how they could drink the darkness water without getting hurt.

[inland basin]

Well aside from the fact the People call themselves Stars ... or seem to in the various cave paintings and in the scholar's books...

[inland basin]

Well .. We do see a sun from Home and from Lonely Peak. It looks like a sun might. I don't think beyond Orbit is physical. We also see a lot of stars in the Starlit Desert , but The Little Prince refers to them as beings that can be your friends. Maybe skyKids etc are Embodiements of the idea of the Ancestors at Campfires etc . That area we def don't have a lot to go on.

[half shadow]

It’s possible that’s just how stars work in the world of sky

[inland basin]

Genasi are similar..: " Most air and fire genasi in the Realms are descendants of the djinn and efreet who once ruled Calimshan. When those rulers were overthrown, their planetouched children were scattered." So we on the same track. Thanks for bringing them up I wasn't aware of them.

[drowsy cairn]

hey i wanted to really get into sky lore is there anywhere to start?

[delicate anvil]

i don't think so? For me at least it's all over the place

[harsh plover]

Haha yeah… welcome to the lore chat

[rancid citrus]

hi... im new in the server

[nimble ingot]

welcome newcomers, welcome to the chaotic realm known as Lore Chat.
For lore docs, there is pinned messages as well that have been shared. Feel free to use the search bar to look up topis such as certain keywords (ex. king, elder, bird, megabird, Hebrew names, skykid, spirit, seasons and more), or use the filters to find images, links, and videos. To ensure you are only looking though the lore chat, use the in: #lore-discussion-spoilers tag.

If there are any questions, feel free to ask.

[compact pine]

During seasonal quests, we relive the spirits memories right? So how come our skykids our able to interact with them?

[nimble ingot]

There spirits are/were ancestors that passed away, but have not passed on. These are like ghosts, spirits that are wandering the lands.
Theoretically:
Skykids are able to reach out to these spirits and guide them to the temples once they relived the spirit's memories.
By reliving the spirit's memories, the skykid break their cycle of reliving their own memories and helps them become aware of their surroundings. Not all spirits are the same, some may be more aware than others.

As the season progress, the devs explored new ways for they skykids to interact with the spirits. For instance with the latest quest, ||we are able to physically hold their hands and guide them to safety.||
It is uncertain if this event were to be one from the ancestor's past, when they were alive. Or they are attempting to come to terms as spirits. That is what makes this a theory, and not yet confirmed as a possible canon in Sky.

[boreal nebula]

Turtleeewws noo, Iwanted to ssee them in sky version since SoProphecy

[weak osprey]

HEY FAM I GOT A NEW THEORY.

So get this; since each sky kid is born the same, how is it that our behaviour is individually different.

In essence to the theory that sky kid is basically born as carbon copies as one another and the theory that sky kids are made from the essence of the King, how is it that we go about with different personalities and interests?

How did the sky kid come to choose what it wanted in its life?

If we are made up of the same essence, wouldn't our choices be the same? Instead we each make different decisions and hold different opinions.

THEREFORE, I theorize that every sky kid is basically people who were isekai'd into the world of Sky.

Think about it. We all have different backgrounds and theories of our origins based off ideals and concepts from different worlds. Such conclusions can only come to light with forehand knowledge.

Basically, this theory is just trying to make ourselves canon to the storyline

[boreal nebula]

I dont see its reflection, so I would bet it is more on the metaphysical plane than on the life plane, like the plant too. Only us and Cannoneer or Shiny Boy inncase od Eden Dark Room (not even light from emotes get reflections. So i think Mantaand Plant M I G H T be a metaphore of something

[tranquil harbor]

Sorry, sorry, but that last bit of kids just like touching things to explore the world got to me. All the tiny little details, like their goofy running and hopping, and how they get hugs from the adult quest guides, it's just- They really made sure sky kids behaved and were treated like children to the last

Speaking of hugging the quest guides: The Prophet memories have all of them taking care of two kids. They are unique kids for each prophet, and while they briefly come together for a larger class, it very much seems like the Prophets went: "These two are mine" and seem to take a warm, vaguely parental role besides just being their teachers.
We get a hug from the Prophecy guide. Does that mean we became the Prophecy Guide's 'kid'

[weak osprey]

This gonna be the basis for my fanfic

[boreal nebula]

This would basically remind me the Uno Reverse Card (isekai as a trope to describe an online gaming as setting of tvshow world where protagonist is catapulted/trapped in, so it is used to cartoon.. but you are using onto the game insteas, I like it😁 )

[void raft]

It is very interesting to see the shift in the role of spirits over time. In the past, before recent seasons, spirits existed just to recall their role/purpose in the world or to show how they died. They were just areas that represented memories of the past and did not actually live in the current world that exists. But now we have seen that there is a new type of spirit that does live in this world with us. And they seak our help to help them live/survive. ||We had to save that one spirit in the last mission from drowning. If that was just a memory (like the original spirits there) would be no need for us to go down there and resue them.||

[weak osprey]

I suppose I wanted to find reasoning behind the player's choices for how their sky kid should behave or look.

The whole isekai concept is interesting to me because it's not simply one or two people. It's an entire civilisation rebirthed to learn to adapt in a new body and a new life. Essentially all these people are needed to experience and learn the history and culture of a kingdom already lost

[tranquil harbor]

I feel like all spirits are on the same level tbh, and it's just a natural progression as TGC gets better at making this game with experience. Like, the Proud Victor has just has much 'autonomy' as Cackling Cannoneer, he was just made way long ago so they don't exactly have quests for him. However, several of them show up in the young skater's quest line, which I think is taking place in the present, and I have other proof I can't currently talk about.

[boreal nebula]

That being said, I also like more to think differnt carbon copies as each indipendent too, like in Star Wars The Clone Wars, where each clone develop his own personality

[weak osprey]

That too. But I wanted to find reasoning for the lore discussion group. I saw some people make comparisons and references to dnd and I thought : this would be funnier when you imagine them as sky kids

[boreal nebula]

For whoever needs I also uploaded video parts of yesterday quest!

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[weak osprey]

That way, advances in knowledgeable such as biology, chemistry and overall connections to history would be far more interesting when discussed this way.

It explains how we could make connections to the memories and stories based off previous knowledge and experience

That and due to another theory that a sky kid is made up of two parts. The main body (grey) and the light. These two parts need each other in order to exist.

[boreal nebula]

Just re dropping this. I think Ancestors count in base 7

At least for Deepth Measurememts

||no idea why I replied that comment of mine||

Btw, isn't this block in GW changed? The WL was in a round chunk that looked like a pipe, no it seems some kind of prefabricated

[boreal nebula]

A Sheppard lost is herd of crabs/mice and we need to collect them

Finally getting a reason for picking up crabs

[bright portal]

Do the elders/seasonal guides have names Other than Elder of ___ or Season of --- guide?

[late wasp]

no

[boreal nebula]

I also thought of THAT

F O R E S H A D O W I N G

[bright portal]

I hope sky community or tgc comes up with some everyone agrees with someday

[late wasp]

Elder of ___
____ Guide

i think these helps everyone know who you are talking about. TGC has special names for the Elders which are:

Dawn Elder
Daylight Elder
Rain Elder
Sunset Elder
Dusk Elder
Night Elder

[boreal nebula]

Wow, it would be cool

Meanwhile, if my wifi lose upsload for 5 seconds I lose all lit appearence of strangers🥲
Back in the day it wasnt so easy, I still remember meeting friends of friends with no such issue

[boreal nebula]

Back in development Elders had placeholders name which never came into canon, but Lorechat remembers (names inspired by hebrew letters on the side)
(despite being adviced by Mods to not used them too much, to confuse new loremoths or to get too carried away into inside jokes 🥲

[bright portal]

aaahhhh, tysm!

[boreal nebula]

Sidenote, on some eastasia forum and memes you might spot they switched names using Daleth and Alef for the Twins &

Others community nicknames are Kakashi & Dora, or Sam & Ekh /Sah & Mekh (but others simply call them both Samekh, cause they might have split from one soul)

So they hatch from the water like Gnocchi ? (A pasta made out potatoes that once cooked reachs the surface)🤣

I dont see it as a swords, it is more like a halo of light on their back and it can also seen inside Point of No Return in Eden (even if wind erosion took its toal and seems just pillars, also where there is perpetual rain on the right side one of this halo fell and crumbled )

[keen widget]

What if we are altering the memory for a better outcome so the spirits can move on? It occurred in the past and in the case of the current season, the cannoneer is never found. This is why the spirits are stuck. When we find him and return him home, it changes the outcome to one where they can move on while also returning the ocean to its fixed state in our time.

[nimble ingot]

7 realms, 7 elders (including the King), and 7 days.

Now adding the 7 flags for the depth measure to the list, good observation there. 👍

[nimble ingot]

oh, that is a good point.
If the spirit manta does have a reflection though, this might be a matter of the game having limitations.

It would be a shame if it is the case.

The game imitates reflections with using a duplicate of the character to reflect. We can see this illusion break a little bit with the cannoneer's cape clipping with the reflection's.
Ergo, a duplicate plant might not be able to be coded to burn in the same way as the original when a skykid takes a candle to it.
Assuming that is the case, since the plant and darkened manta would be too buggy to use, the devs omitted the detail, but applied the reflection trick where they could (the cannoneer, the skykid, the light kid, and presumably the spirit manta).

[boreal nebula]

7 pillars in Air Trail, google Aurebesh (Star Wars alphabet) and tell me what looks like a 7

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Have I missed something?👀

[compact shale]

I forgot to tell you that I'm not going to be in lore until I do the 5th quest

That ping scared me ngl

Do you think I missed something too?

[nimble ingot]

You can confirm a connection with the Flight and Sanctuary season via the Windvane.
The bell chimer has one in their shop that they were working on.
The makes the wind vanes act as bells to guide light creatures around. That and the fact there are other bell smiths and ship builders in Day to further solidify the connection

[boreal nebula]

Sorry I was curious about the Seasons connection chart you made (especially explaining the connection with Dreams and Gratitude or Assembly with Lightseekers

But feell free to answer me when you can, even in DM😊

[compact shale]

First of all, there's a legend of the different line colors in that picture

The assembly x lightseeker connection is dev-confirmed

And the Dreams and gratitude one, well Leaping Dancer appears in the pre-5th quest cutscene and in Bearhug's memory

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, but the biggest connection is Sanc Spirit entering from shorcuts in final cutscene

[nimble ingot]

yup.
The chart has that already with the orange connection to support the spirit cameos.

[compact shale]

Flight x Sanc is also a theorized one, I'd say

I think I should clarify that the green connections are dev-confirmed lol

edit: this chart goes through a lot of edits

[boreal nebula]

Leaping Dancer, right!

Still i dont quite see any connection about greenline (in china maybe, cause they kept the beta Ultimate Mask, which looks like instead of ) but no live clues afaik

[compact shale]

People were theorizing about the connection because of the masks lol

And family headcanons are awww headcanons

Here's another Version of the seasonal connection board

[weak osprey]

Enchantment and prophecy??????

[weak osprey]

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE ENCHANTMENT AND PROPHECY CONNECTION

[compact shale]

I don't think I'm fit to go more into it. I gotta go

[boreal nebula]

Pss, yes, I also notice a similar desire pattern in Water Trial

[nimble ingot]

via the elemental orbs.

[weak osprey]

I see I see

[drowsy cairn]

they used to date👀 👀 👀 👀

[weak osprey]

Ayo not with the ships man

[boreal nebula]

You do quests for Enchatment to collect orbs around the 6 realms (six orbs shown in an Ark Mural) and you can collect 5 of those lights as daily quest too

Now they switched the dailies description with Water, Earth, Air and Fire Elements from Prophecy, but back then dailies used Enchantment Lights as icons.. additionally the prop for Ench carpenteer, Orange Orb, had also switched icon in the closet (thanks to TS who came before the switching I noticed that too)

So it might be that the 4 Elements were discovered in Prophecy and later still used as Orbs & Spells in Enchantment Era

[harsh pecan]

They broke up :(

[nimble ingot]

shall we go over the latest quest without worry of spoiling player that have not yet went?

also

[rigid mural]

The manta we free ascends like a spirit kinda, see how it turns into a ball of light before flying up. Does this mean cosmic mantas aren't manta ghosts ?

Also when you free it, it scatters sparkles. Maybe those particles of light become fish, forcing the krill king to spit us out because it just can't contain that many things ?

[nimble ingot]

It is uncertain what the spirit animal's role were in Sky.
Even in Light Awaits, there were very little info to what they were, other than the possibility, that they were the natural spirits of the realm for the ancestors to pray to. That or they were possibly guardians of the animals, similar to how the elder were supposed to be guardians of their realms.

As for the cosmic manta, there was concept art that suggest the mantas we find outside of Vault are considered to be a day variant, while the cosmic mantas we have in Vault are referred to as the Night variant. while this concept may have been scrapped, or repurposed, the cosmic manta are unique to the realm, and seemingly able to appear out of thin air (that or turn off their luminescence to hide in the dark).

Interestingly enough, we do not ding 'day' variant jellyfish in other realms, and there are no jellyfish (not even the cosmic/night variety in vault). Even though there are in the Little Prince's Starry Desert (by the accountants wrecked boat).

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the night variant are endangered and the vault is taking care of them?
Or night variant are like koi fish. Specifically bred to be that way, and thus, kinda like fancy pets

Animals bred to be pets can end up easy prey in the wild, so any night mantas that 'escaped' during the disaster would naturally die off

[nimble ingot]

That has some validity.

There is one odd manta in the starry desert that either seems to be bugged (it has not been the first time for mantas to have weird texture effects), or holds a secret.

When undisturbed, the manta appears like any other. When a skykid calls out to it, or touches it, its body takes a milky white appearance, though still mostly transparant.
The season has not made any references to it, other than it appearing either after a certain quest, or it appears when skykids approach the spirit king's island, which is where it appears).

[tranquil harbor]

You got any pics of the manta?

[nimble ingot]

Here, I brought this up before:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tranquil harbor]

yas, thank u

[night pecan]

other elders: aww yea mantas,,,
vault elder: fools, look at THESE mantas

[soft timber]

appears Little mantas

[tranquil harbor]

So the Vault is basically a giant library, plus clearly a place of 'higher' learning, since we have ancestors like Levitating Adept.
I wonder if they did science in the vault. Like, say, did night mantas come to exist because they were purposefully bred to study genetics?

[soft timber]

I think it would reasonable to say that the Vault would be more into academics and sciences and the like, I do think the realms have their own specialty of "main" studies like Praire would mostly be about sciences pertaining to the world around them and Valley having studies about the bodies

[hushed steeple]

Sorry again, I need another copy of that king propaganda picture

[late wasp]

the little sparkles look like tiny mantas
i assumed we were finally shown a light creature giving birth

[tranquil harbor]

Because that's appropriate for children /jk

[hushed steeple]

So the skeleton in vault where you press the call and a cosmic manta rises from the bones is a cosmic mantas bones but tuen why dont we see those bones in the cosmic mantas?

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible cosmic mantas have clear bones until their deaths, where the air causes oxidization (or something) and the bones change color.
Assuming those bones weren't decoration

[hushed steeple]

Ouuu that would explain it

[meager wolf]

So wait after doing all the quests we dont get to work with this at all? Im sad

[soft timber]

Sadness

[tranquil harbor]

maybe in another season (also I forgot there was a light up there, thank u)

[tulip aspen]

hmm, i like that, but see, can we apply that as a set rule to all seasons?

for season of dreams, we know we are reliving the exact memory, because it says so at the end of the final quest, so nothing changes in that one

[rigid mural]

In beta that's where you went for the 4th quest !

[tulip aspen]

... why did they change it tho

[unreal relic]

This may seem random, but I was sipping my melon juice the other day and I noticed that the foam on my cup ended up looking like this

Reminds me of the whole Krill-are-artificial-creatures theory

[tranquil harbor]

possibly because it's a pain to get to. I need lots of wings to fly up there

[tulip aspen]

bru there's a mushroom ladder going up it's side, if people complained then it should've been given more mushrooms so it's easier

[fiery tangle]

i didnt scroll down, so idk if this was said, but maybe it was evolution of manta. based off other lore guesses, something about light creatures being captured, maybe they evolved to be able to hide and not be caught 👀

[unreal relic]

I was able to get to it in like three our four by gliding and trying to use the wind currents of the game but it’s a trial-and-error thing honestly

[tranquil harbor]

Ye, it's not moth friendly at all. You gotta be a half decent flyer, and know where to start flying from and all that.

[unreal relic]

Also this memory of the fisherwoman implies a small baby Krill? What is this implying, game?

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible it's only small to give the effect for the memory

[unreal relic]

True, but the same time, if it were really that big in the memory, then holy heck

[south badger]

the big tower has glowing mushrooms to charge you at points up it

[tulip aspen]

exactly lmao there shouldn't have been a problem requiring an entrance rework

[rigid mural]

Something about lightseekers (my beloveds)

Both piggyback and shush got similar capes, and their end memory has them taking part in what looks like a ritual.

Both Double-five and Twirl got instruments, though only one is seen playing theirs in their memory.

Laidback and Crab Whisperer don't seem to have much in common but given that one is a pioneer and the other is scouting or getting out of a shipwreck infested with crabs, it's possible both may be hardy.

[fervent dome]

hi lore chat what is your opinion of the home space, is it in a sky kids head or is it real ?

[white dagger]

i feel like home is part of [The Light] (think ||the office, orbit, etc||)

[tranquil harbor]

I'm on Team 'It's real'

[fervent dome]

what really is the light then, is it like any other realm type deal where you can go and explore ? im so confused 😭

[white dagger]

im also confused lolol
i think theyre in the same flavor tho

[fervent dome]

that makes sense, if its real i think it would make a bit more sense than "its all in your head" type deal

[tranquil harbor]

Because spirits can get to it, I think it's real. The merchant straight up brings a boat.
I also think the space around the office portal is real (a garden essentially), even if the office portal itself is probably fake (or decorative if the arch is real)

[fervent dome]

OH YOURE RIGHT THEY CANNN

[white dagger]

would it b like a far off island, like treasure(

[fervent dome]

i guess, although that implies that sky kids just poof away once they are done- nevermind that would make sense again because they are made out of light

[tranquil harbor]

The Home island used to be a big chunk of land that seemed to be torn up from somewhere and dropped where it is, however, they removed that aspect when we got diving, so I'm under the idea that it was a big chunk of land like it was simply because... we couldn't dive so why bother putting more floor under the water?

[fervent dome]

if they are made out of light they can just vanish like some sort of pokemon going into its ball, except the ball is the sky idk

[tranquil harbor]

The kids are able to use magic, and one of the magic things they do is warp to each other. They're probably connected with home in some way to allow that same warp spell to work

[fervent dome]

ohhhhhhh ok

[distant stone]

This Manta is not alive, you can see there's no shadow. But we free this Manta from dark plant I wonder why Manta spirit was inside king krill

[white dagger]

one word: nom

[frank vessel]

this is not lore that’s backed up by anything i just wanted to say i head canon that if you rub a Krill’s belly, it will enter a trance in where it becomes docile and just you rub it but goes back to its normal self when you stop rubbing it

[rapid arrow]

Krill are cats

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat is Leviathan still visitable somewhere after last quest?

[half shadow]

I checked last night.

The answer is yes.

[hushed steeple]

Also I like the light sunfish but the rest of the fishes look plain.

[half shadow]

If you swim down in the hole you’ll be surrounded by all of the different fish again and it’s gorgeous and I was swimming around like oh, wow, I’m so glad they kept this I bet people can take a lot of cool pictures in here! And then I angled my camera down and it was just down there swimming and I lost my mind

[hushed steeple]

Goodie good! There would have been riots otherwise

[half shadow]

I didn’t go down there myself to like see if it was dangerous but I’m willing to do that today

[hushed steeple]

Also

[half shadow]

HA

[white dagger]

dummy cannonner
would them guns even work on any krill tho ngl i feel like it would just bounce off

[tranquil harbor]

-dying wheeze-

Also lol, Leviathan learned their lesson about trying to eat us

[white dagger]

question
do normal krill have mouths too i dont wanna be krill dindin

[tranquil harbor]

If they do, it's too small to eat us

[rapid arrow]

I think this relates to this

[tranquil harbor]

Eat both, obviously
Crabs make good BBQ and we've already discussed how Mantas will taste like water, thus u get BBQ and a drink all in one

[white dagger]

blinks in a permanent spell making me THIS SMALL (small enough to do chibi run)

[half shadow]

I’m about to go down there again, but here’s a pic I took last night (edited slightly to see the Friend)

[white dagger]

big boi!!!

[rapid arrow]

Well you sparked a cursed drawing

[tranquil harbor]

if it won't go thru, DM it to me

[hazy spindle]

Land, air, and sea burger at McDonald's

[keen shore]

Psst late but if vault is a vertical library with lots of shelves or whatever being normally hard to reach, what if they had special mantas to ride around and reach the lanterns they wanted. That would be really cute

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, they were bred to look nice but ultimately they do have a purpose

[keen shore]

I think it’s a spirit manta too, although am still trying to think of the implications about that. I do think it helps solidify my darkness plant growing around dead things theory because the body? shell? is right there suspended in them, but beyond that am not sure

[half shadow]

some more dude pictures, it’s actually quite difficult to see him down there so I might go buy a glow spell

[keen shore]

I Am thinking about what it means that this guy resembles the weird bell crab things in the switch trailer more than other dark creatures do

[hushed steeple]

Skykid and Cannoneer: Leviathan’s inside story

[half shadow]

Once you see him circle around, the end of his body sorta jerks and twitches the same way a krill does

[south badger]

is the leviathan still down there after you complete the quest ?

[half shadow]

“I need the inside scoop. What’s your motivation?”

Horribly loud abyssal groaning

Yes, all those pics I showed are from me swimming down there after the quest, you can tell cus all the fish are there. I’m gonna see if we can get close to it

[south badger]

omg.. that makes me happy. is she in the oob area or somewhere different?

[half shadow]

she’s in the big hole still! just swim down to where you find cannoneer

[rapid arrow]

I’ve talked about this so much but I hope we might get to relive the that quest

[south badger]

thank you so much

[half shadow]

Not sure if it’s still hostile. But we’re about to find out

[tranquil harbor]

you almost down there? How much breath meter does that take

[rigid mural]

dont the fish recharge your breath ? I plan on doing the uest myself tommorow when i get the ult, gonna cosplay one of my characters :]

[hushed steeple]

And one last question, aside from the ones released from the mouth, are any new creatures added to the reef?

[tranquil harbor]

I have 20 candles. Why is the free mask so spensive

Please TGC, I am but a poor moth. Have mercy

[rigid mural]

theres now more and a wider variety of fish, like the sunfish

@tranquil harbor it will still be here after the season is over so dw

[tranquil harbor]

I know it'll be there, I just don't save money well. where do my candles go

[south badger]

my friend said there’s a wind wall blocking from reaching the leviathan ?

[rigid mural]

[hushed steeple]

So no surprise coral turtle or mask fishes 🐢

[rigid mural]

man my pictures just wont load huh...

[tranquil harbor]

they do if I open them in another tab

[rigid mural]

Ah good good !
It's an interesting detail I found, maybe the elders didnt just get light offerings

[keen shore]

I went wayyyy back in this chat because of a reply someone posted to a message from a couple of years ago, so I got curious and kept reading, and by chance stumbled across this mural. Pretty sure it got removed because it seems very much like an isle of dawn mural in the cave and I have never seen it before, but it may be related to this conversation so wanted to ask if anyone recognizes it

My interpretation of this mural is that the circle things represent the spirits that get brought back to the temples to ascend but could be wrong

[sharp lichen]

It’s not loading for me- let me look at it when I go home

[rigid mural]

pspsps relive refusing voyager real quick, it will be at the end but with birds instead of ancestors

[keen shore]

Oooh, so this is the changed version?

[nimble ingot]

It has been there for a while. Frankly am personally ashamed to have noticed that, because I never thought to look up when the cutscene played.

[sharp lichen]

How suspicious!

[keen shore]

The question I’m asking is. Does anyone recognize the original one I posted with the ancestors as one that existed in that spot at some point before getting replaced by the manta version? It definitely seems like they were switched - isle elder icon looks identical

Also as to not derail Vela’s discussion about the circle symbol, here are a couple of other places it appears

• Representing the sun in mural posted above ^ [this further supports my theory that Megabird and the sun are basically the same entity. I almost want to be wrong here because I want to steal this idea for a fantasy world because it’s so neat]
• Wasteland sun shields
• Prairie village docks

Interestingly enough, the enchantment + prophecy lights do not use this symbol, but instead use a generic eight pointed star symbol

[nimble ingot]

There should be an old playthrough to confirm if that was there for at least a year.

It would not be the first time a moth from that long ago would over look something like that.
For example, there used to be a king statue head (the ancestor version in the final area of Eden) at the top of Eden (just outside the tunnel for the point of no return).

[nimble ingot]

megabird could be the centre of the galaxy instead of just one star. The sun is esentially a star after all.

For instance, we dont see the centre of our milky way galaxy..

[rigid mural]

but why would it also be the prop symbol ? maybe this links props to magic (since firework/table/bonfire spells) and magic to the light ?

[keen shore]

I was thinking a variation of this but with music specifically, since most props are musical instruments. Your idea is more likely, I just latched on to the idea that music could be used as a form of light worship because it’s a really cute idea :-) plus with the honks we and other creatures make, as well as us honking along to the song in orbit, maybe light and music are connected ?

[rigid mural]

thinking about the lookout scout with their horn, who is using something that might have been holy at some point but now is just a tool of war

[vernal stratus]

Yeah you can go down there and get kinda close but eventually you will be turned back by the wind. Or I suppose underwater, the “currents” 🤣

[nimble ingot]

The sound of the horn though is so cool.

That must have been the most functional instrument since it can give signals, warnings or even possibly get the attention of some creatures.

[south badger]

aw, sad.. i miss her

[frigid tinsel]

a horn has a lot of utils

[vernal stratus]

That’s as close as I could get roughly

[keen shore]

This is possible, but beyond the scope of our solar system the universe just seems … empty. The stars can all fall to our world so they’re definitely not normal stars. Constellations seem to be synonymous with groups of spirits rather than actual constellations like we would think of them… it’s just odd personally

Plus all the light in the universe being dependent on Megabird makes more sense with them being the only Sun left rather than the center of the universe or a galaxy

[frigid tinsel]

the sun could be seen as a symbolic Megabird rather than Megabird Themself. if Megabird is the Light and all beings of the Sky world are a part of light, then it wouldn't be far off to see similarities with the sun. the sun brings light to the world, making life possible by warming the planet in the cold void of space and creating the foundation for the food chain thanks to photosynthesizing plants. both the sun and Megabird could be viewed as lifegivers, thus they'd be symbolic equals, especially if the sun is viewed as a part of Megabird too

[rigid mural]

just sayin

[keen shore]

I extend the music and light being connected a LOT in personal headcanon universe, here is some examples

• musical theme of each area is a method of relaying information on what to do in that area, what happened in it and what it was used for. It’s like a very odd version of oral history, but with light and music being the mediums
• Any kind of profession relating to music is regarded as sacred. Groups of performers like rhythm spirits are equal to the flight spirits in terms of alignment towards light and spreading it through the world if that makes sense :-)
• Songbirds are also very important and Very cute

[keen shore]

Thank you so much for drawing this! It’s basically what I was going for, would be Yet Another Example of holy light things being used for things they are NOT SUPPOSED to be used for

Also, realized horn is closest instrument to a honk. Loud. One note. Signals things

[rigid mural]

okay but
fun fact
the horn is one of the best instruments to play Careless Whispers
imagine the spirit's reaction to their instrument going from being a ceremony tool to a war tool, then used to sing love songs (yes i know the lyrics of what i mentioned but the meme is that)

[keen shore]

Emotional Rollercoaster

[nimble ingot]

I thought the trumpet is good. But bonus points goes to the horn for be accessable to the general player population

[rigid mural]

if i dont blow out your eardrums with the coffin song or careless whispers, then who am i

[keen shore]

Music and light being connected would also explain how spirits are able to teach us sheet music/songs. Iirc don’t the “whisperer” [ie bird whisperer] spirits usually have one, or is that a correlation I made up by accident

[frigid tinsel]

bird whisperer has a music sheet, light whisperer doesn't. talent builder or navigator had one

[nimble ingot]

Are you sure you would like to hear the answer?

[frigid tinsel]

well i know what song i'm gonnalearn to play next

[keen shore]

Megabird’s Favorite Child
🚫 ancestors
🚫 mantas
🚫 coelacanths
✅ That one bird who sings really neat

[lofty void]

alright lore chat, I’m going on an expedition to look at and screenshot the abyss murals. wish me luck

[rigid mural]

do you want me to dm you myself playing these

[keen shore]

If you’re getting the murals as resources for lorechat, I already have them in the mural doc - if not, disregard this message, just wanted to make sure you didn’t spend like 15 minutes on something and then come back like “NO ONE TOLD ME SOMEONE ELSE DID THIS?” /lh

[raw crypt]

SO SAD THE BUGLE IS AN ULT I WASNT HERE FOR 💔

But I like the idea of music and light being closely connected, especially given ancestors seem to really like their arts, also while the props are mostly musical instruments, theres also other things like the firework staff, props and the table, perhaps the firework staff could be used in events/worship? while the canonicity of events like fortune is a little wobbly i like the idea of gratitude folk doing light based rituals/events/etc, thus using fireworks

as for the table and shared space props, unsure? maybe they could be representive of community? with elders being part of the community?? theyre from the surrounding area, so maybe everyday items were given too, like the craftsmanship of making a brazier or smth, not sure

[keen shore]

Megabird HATES stem students

[frigid tinsel]

Sky is a very musical game too. Leitmotifs, pleasant sounds, instruments

[violet sundial]

Gonna loan u my bugle /hj

[lofty void]

I'm also going on this to take photos of the boats and minecarts and stuff!
and no, dw its okay! im doing the murals because i can

[keen shore]

Just wanted to check ! MINECART TIME

Do you think the rhythm spirits ever used the wind paths? I mean, if they travelled through the realms, it would be really convenient
Imagining a concert for all the mantas there <3

[nimble ingot]

they were last seen flying the elder bird into space and never seen again.

[pastel brook]

why does nobody ask for me?

[frigid tinsel]

Many reasons

[nimble ingot]

you became a meme, what more can you ask for?

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant to the horn is holy discussion: #sky-memes message

[keen shore]

“Robert, this horn is supposed to be a holy ceremonial instrument. Please stop following your coworkers around and honking at them with it.”

[frigid tinsel]

lmao when I first got the horn, I used it exclusively for musical chaos

[rigid mural]

the idea of a spirit named robert greatly entertains me

[keen shore]

Everyone else has fancy fantasy names, and then there’s just… Robert

[tranquil harbor]

Some spirit uses it to warn/call their fellows and our sky kid is just like 'music time'
Did the spirit know? Or did our sky kid busting out like 20 different notes blow his mind?

[sharp lichen]

Oh, I could spend hours talking about the musical connections and themes in Sky

[tranquil harbor]

Do it Coward /lh

[sharp lichen]

Let me start with an interesting observation: the music of Wasteland. In the first area, I noticed that there’s lots of horn/trumpet instruments, making me think that the soundtrack for the realms coincide with the instruments you get

[tranquil harbor]

You get the bass harp there too

Regular Harp in prairie, drum in forest, piano in valley, then horn and bass harp in wasteland.

[frigid tinsel]

is the bass harp even a real instrument

[tranquil harbor]

The only thing I can find on google is a Harp Bass, which is some kinda big violin lookin' thingy

[queen pike]

yum, essay post

[keen shore]

Harp but it started to take testosterone

[sharp lichen]

Harp coincides with the string instruments in Sanctuary Islands

Piano is common everywhere, but Dreams music has lots of it

[tranquil harbor]

I know some event spirits are scattered across the land who have instruments. I wonder if they follow the same theme. (or if instrument spirits are stuck in a special area thus possibly invalidating that)

[sharp lichen]

I think Sanctuary has an instrument, but I’ve never heard of it

[light tusk]

I've been thinking of writing a fanfic of an innocent skykid that as the time passes they get more and more exhausted of repeating the loop of going through the realms and dying at Eden, do you guys have any suggestions of what I can include and try to work on? Since I started playing I never got into Sky lore till this season

[tranquil harbor]

The pan drum. They're beautiful. But it's an ultimate gift I want to scream

[keen shore]

Somehow managed to forget to respond to this post but the connection mentioned here is part of what jumpstarted the theory of Megabird = sun in the first place.

I mean… giant warm mass of light, sitting in the center of our solar system? wherever it is, giving off immense amounts of heat, making life possible, and being the source of all light for the space around it? That’s just the Sun

[sharp lichen]

Ah, I think I hear it in the Sanctuary music, but I’m not sure

[tranquil harbor]

Hold on, I'll get a vid. Two vids.

[sharp lichen]

Actually, I’m not sure if my instrument theory has much merit- after all, there are no drums in Forest or Prophecy

[tranquil harbor]

IRL handpan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747hJQNJpeg

Sky handpan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-L-q-C5OXk

What about the fight paths?

[keen shore]

FIGHT PATHS LOL

[sharp lichen]

The Wind Paths has god-tier music, but no handpan

[frigid tinsel]

a handpan. those sound amazing irl, I really want one
https://youtu.be/WRTpExBKmUI

[tranquil harbor]

TGC bring back the handpan! It's too unique an instrument this is a crime!

Baudshaw, wind paths is part of forest (at least that's where the intended entrance is. Technically wind paths connects to all sub realms)

Alasdair comin' in with a real handpan playing actual sky music

[frigid tinsel]

youtube had been recommending covers of waltzing in the rain cos I was learning to play it in Sky

[tranquil harbor]

I need to find that guide I was using. But it's for phone, so it's really slow to translate to switch, even if I can change my layout to the phone square style

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, the only instruments are the common ones (flute, grand brass thingy, etc.) and string instruments

[tranquil harbor]

Props that do unique things should never be ultimate gifts. Like, it's one thing to have two different rebreathers or an alternate looking fireworks staff, but instruments? never ever

[sharp lichen]

Well, that’s an interesting topic, as it makes getting them all the more special and unique

[tranquil harbor]

Music is a large part of connection in sky though. By cutting off certain instruments with unique sounds, you're slashing into that connection ability. VS a different rebreather, which is just aesthetic.

In theory, two different guitars that look different but sound the same is fine if one is an ultimate gift. But the handpan is unique

[sharp lichen]

Maybe two different guitars that look the same, but one is slightly different in sound. After all, what’s the point of actually getting it?

[tranquil harbor]

Aesthetic. One of the ults for abyss is just another cape. It doesn't recharge u any faster or anything, it just looks nice. And people want it.

Meanwhile, the free to play rebreather and the ultimate rebreather work exactly the same. It's just about what looks nicer to you.

[frigid tinsel]

i'm 7 seconds from ripping the handpan off Sanctuary guide

[tranquil harbor]

And the rebreathers should work this way, because when you have totally unique ults that players have to pay for, the game stops being free to play and goes in a bad direction where 'pay money to get advantages or suffer lol'

[frigid tinsel]

idk the difference between the length of times of the f2p rebreather and the ult rebreather, but i heard it isn't that long.

[native shoal]

I was not happy when I got the quest done and the rebreather was 48 candles

[tranquil harbor]

It's 15 seconds for both (as it should be)

At least the rebreather is available forever

[frigid tinsel]

something something 200 candle sword pants

[native shoal]

It’s motivated me to actually start candle running, I’m planning on getting 10 candles a day from now on

[tranquil harbor]

Take me with you!

[frigid tinsel]

you can get up to 20-24 candles. I tend to get 12-18 candles per day when I really get into it.
Granny and geyser helps

[native shoal]

My candle running patterns make no sense and depend on returning to home often lol

[tranquil harbor]

Granny takes the tedium out of a candle run. I've started standing by her while she cooks and using various emotes to pretend my kid is 'helping'.

[native shoal]

I do whatever realm has the daily quests, sanctuary and/or vault, and the larger part of valley

Usually just whatever area has the quests then scrounge around unless I realize that it’s geyser time, I don’t know when Granny cooks

[tranquil harbor]

Granny cooks 15 mins after geyser. She takes 5 minutes once she appears to walk around and 'cook' and then she starts serving (so 20 mins after geyser if u don't wanna wait with her)

[native shoal]

Ah I thought it was like an hour and a half after geyser time

[tranquil harbor]

Nope, heading to forest to run a bit after geyser before heading to granny is a common practice

[frigid tinsel]

Granny pops in at :30 and geyser starts at :05

[native shoal]

Thank

[tranquil harbor]

The problem is that it's every 2 hours. And she has a wax cap. You can only eat there about twice before you stop getting wax

[frigid tinsel]

just gotta remember if, for you, they start at an odd or even numbered hour. for me, it's odd numbered hours

[native shoal]

That’ll make 10 candles a day much easier lol

[tranquil harbor]

I stay even after the wax stops tho, to help granny feed the other kids and to get my hug

[frigid tinsel]

if the wax stops for me, I just start playing music. the tree has nice reverb (despite music audio bug rn)

[native shoal]

For me it’s even numbers

[tranquil harbor]

speaking of, granny is serving right now. She started 3 mins ago

[frigid tinsel]

lmao i left my savepoint there

[tranquil harbor]

If you're going, blow granny a kiss for me. I capped for the day and I'm too lazy to turn on my switch

[native shoal]

Thanks for telling me I got 2 candles out of that

[tranquil harbor]

The worst part about the rebreather is I can't get it once I can afford it, because I need a safe stash of candles in case I need them for heart trades. I refuses to be without at least 3 candles. I must share hearts with my nap buddy

[native shoal]

I went to hug her at the end but someone else got there first sadly

[frigid tinsel]

Granny hugs are often group hugs

[tranquil harbor]

Everyone can hug granny. On switch they get in my way though and it brings up the friendship tree at bad angles though so it's hard

I missed my first hug today because someone got in my way

[native shoal]

Oh for a while I was consistently on zero candles and candle running to send hearts to my friends

I mean she elevated before I could get there lol, like she does after you hug her

[tranquil harbor]

Three candles a day so I can send a heart to my nap buddy is the only cost I know I'm gonna have. But if someone gives me a heart I send one back, and sometimes I need to unlock stuff on my friend trees, and at the end of the day I'm broke again

Slowly but surely, I am saving though. I went from barely having 2 candles to consistently having 10 to consistently having 20.

[tulip aspen]

thats a good goal!

remember to apply alternative methods of getting candles whenever you feel like you can't run normally that day

afking or vibing at social areas and specific-time events will honestly dock you two whole chevrons on their own lolol

[frank vessel]

isnt it :35

[tranquil harbor]

granny shows up at the 30 mark, it's just she cooks for 5 minutes

[frank vessel]

OHH i thought they meant when it actually starts my bad my bad 💔

[tranquil harbor]

When I started, I eventually found out I could get a whole bunch of candles by just chilling on the days of love dock. Letting your kid vibe with the background music on is soothing and I can get other stuff done while I wait. (It's actually how I met my nap buddy. I had my kid laying down a certain way, and this chibi comes up and angles her kid to lay against mine like a baby sibling in cute PJs, my heart just about exploded )

[formal skiff]

awwwwww

[tranquil harbor]

Sky is a great game. You go somewhere to sit down and ignore everyone, and people will still light you en masse if you arrive at the same time, and u can still, somehow, leave the afk sessions with a buddy or two made

[tulip aspen]

maybe the real friends we made along the way were the real friends we made along the way

[sage isle]

OH CMON. fine, we got eaten- >:l

[native shoal]

I just exist near a moth and I end up befriending them

[lofty void]

hmmm this floor is made out of floor

[sage isle]

check that off the list. let's see here
Killed by rushing rocks /boulders✅
killed by flying krill✅
killed by black goop of water✅
bullied by crabs✅
Killed by swimming krill✅
eaten whole✅
smacked to death in eden✅
drown to death✅
die in the trails✅
candle put out in forest✅

am I missing anything?-

[formal skiff]

i mean in eden we voluntarily give away our wl and die from that

[sage isle]

tru

[native shoal]

Now our skykids only need a few more enemies to become rasputin lol

[tranquil harbor]

How'd u get pity roomed so many different ways (also, I like that crabs just bullied u)

Rah rah Rasputin~

[sage isle]

they can kill you enough if they bully you enough

[native shoal]

Also you can actually die from the black water? But it takes so long

[sage isle]

again, it's a situation like the crabs

[tulip aspen]

remember, the moth can't legally give you a candle without your consent

[native shoal]

I know lol, but moths are adorable

[tranquil harbor]

I feel so bad when moths offer me candles. Like, no, little buddy, you are going to have regrets

[sage isle]

did i get everything, or is there more that sky kids get ded

[native shoal]

It’s not quite death but getting sent back in the trials

[tranquil harbor]

you can drown

[tulip aspen]

rain?

and would u count trials, cos if so

void
magic artic water
evil shadowy balls of death

[sage isle]

nooow, I got everything I'm pretty sure

[tulip aspen]

ive played this game long enough to not care lol, if i feel bad enough ill tap reject lv2 and maybe deep bow lv 4, but usually ill fly away, scream in their face (crab call spam), spam reject lv 4, ect

in the end i wont do any of that and try to silently edge away

[native shoal]

I usually just pretend I didn’t see it if I’m busy

[compact shale]

Hello!

[native shoal]

Anyways actual small idea that would be neat: the twins once broke someone’s window when playing a baseball equivalent and just fled

[formal skiff]

lol

[compact shale]

What's the topic

[sharp lichen]

Actually, I’m usually the one offering candles to moths. There’s something interesting about telling these confused players what’s going on

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[tulip aspen]

IM DONE

GUYS THAT WAS LIMBO WHAT

okay yall, keep in mind, this was another perfect example of the mindspace

[native shoal]

Thanks skybot

I noticed that it wasn’t completely dark like the limbo after Eden where you get a hug, it was more grey

[tulip aspen]

see, that's the thing tho, does the manta only exist in the mindspace reality, or does it have or had a corporeal body

im starting to agree with yall, i think it represented just... all the light creatures of that sea

[compact shale]

Yeah, it's a different kind of limbo

Levi mouth limbo

[tranquil harbor]

Taking them to the 8 player puzzle amuses me more than it should

[native shoal]

Also something I discovered thanks to a glitch a long time ago! You know the tiny little spirit flames you see when you’re freeing a spirit? Skykids can become that too! It happens in the Storm if people in your Eden group are still alive after you petrify

So what if there’s a future spirit that is a skykid?

[tranquil harbor]

We ourselves become unable to move on to ascension until we know our friends won't be facing eden alone

[compact shale]

That would be a plot twist for sure

@tranquil harbor that's a heartwarming way to think about it

[sharp lichen]

I’ve boiled down moth adopting to a science now

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, that’s their souls.

[tranquil harbor]

It's also logical. The sky kids, by nature, are generous and helpful little things.

[native shoal]

Im surprised that they’re blue instead of yellow or white

[tulip aspen]

it was all of their will and minds, represented in the mindspace; we can see that it's been captured and contained by the levi, and we're not PHYSICALLY freeing it, but burning the darkness ends up being a more metaphorical moment of just us showing them they aren't alone, because remember, the will of the sea creatures is what released them from the mouth of the levi, not us, but we convinced them they could be strong enough to free themselves!

[tranquil harbor]

They're blue because they're not 'alive' anymore. They've legit become a spirit. Which, if spirits have bodies and we don't, that possibly means the light on our candle really is all there is to us

[tulip aspen]

oh.... that could be true too hmm
even so, how did freeing that spirit from it's mental grave open the mouth pf the levi?

[tranquil harbor]

Manta is the guardian of the reef/will of the creatures. It can move through solid objects. Ultimately, Leviathan still captures it in its mouth between our meeting and that quest. Leviathan is corrupted, so it basically instantly gets a choke hold on the manta. We save manta.

[tulip aspen]

that statue we see at the beginning of abyss seems to be created probably by ancestors, for that manta

so did they worship it while it was alive, or was it always a deity or the spirit of the ocean life itself?

[tranquil harbor]

It might still be alive, in the same way the elders probably are. It's just special

[compact shale]

Manta elder?

[tulip aspen]

when we first see it we did meditate in order for it to appear, so that should levy the idea that it's a physical ghost and was moreso a vision

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps the ancestors didn't worship it but used that statue in order to tune into the beings of the sea, even to summon it if need be

[tulip aspen]

so its a deity then

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, more or less

[compact shale]

What's the tuning in for?

[tranquil harbor]

The statue might even just be there to be there, and our sky kids are the only ones who have the ability to call the manta.

[tulip aspen]

okay, we can weigh that is as possibility

so it's either a deity beyond mortal comprehension, or it's the culmination of all life in the sea; a light creature / nature spirit

[tranquil harbor]

Deities can't be nature spirits?

[tulip aspen]

it could be, im just differentiating between "a god-beast" and "a culmination of souls and nature"

[frigid tinsel]

i think we're going to get a bit confused with the terminology here.

[tranquil harbor]

Counter point: A culmination of souls and nature combining to the point it becomes a god beast

Oh, most def Alasdair

[tulip aspen]

i guess, it's just that we havent seen it for sure in a way that debunks it doesnt hail from the mindspace reality

also yeah im awful with terminology theres a reason why lapis doesnt like me lol

[tranquil harbor]

I'd like to clarify moving forward, just in case, that I am not going 'Jam you're wrong', I am going 'Okay have we considered option this or that' brain storm mode

[tulip aspen]

definitely, there's answers here and we need to work out how to make them concrete

[tranquil harbor]

I'm still of the idea that this specific mind space is the space between life and death. It's entirely possible we're passed out in that thing's stomach the whole time (I mean obviously we're in its stomach the whole time, but what I'm saying means something else blarg)

[tulip aspen]

i think that's exactly what's going on, yep!

the limbo we see definitely isnt the physical insides of the beast, but a cage within that mindspace reality

[frigid tinsel]

how Sky uses the word spirit: literally a ghost, the physical form a disembodied soul.
though a "nature spirit" could be a supernatural being tied to or representing nature somehow

the most basic definition of deity: a god, an entity with divine status, usually has control or oversight of something.

I've upset the hornet's nest huh

[tranquil harbor]

I think the manta has a physical form. It can possibly move thru solid objects because it's a special nature deity manta, but I think it has a physical form. Which the Leviathan ate, and it got stuck in limbo, and so did we when it ate us, so we had to free it, where it could work its nature magic from within mega krill's tummy

[compact shale]

So there may be gods other than Megabird?

[tulip aspen]

i am indeed using tropes when i say nature spirit ye, hm

its like
druids
or gods that are literally born of the will of nature's existence

for the physical side/concept

[tranquil harbor]

Yes. Not necessarily gods as powerful as mega bird however. Manta may be a minor god, if that makes sense

[compact shale]

I'd really like to do this rn

[tulip aspen]

but we never see it escape

the only times we see it are during meditation and inside the limbo/mindspace

[tranquil harbor]

I could have sworn I saw a manta while escaping tho.

[tulip aspen]

it's shown escaping with us?
well if anyone can confirm that then great that proves you right hmm
maybe ill ask in questions and help or cozy

unless all these folks might know

[visual knoll]

The what what now?

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible that, because by the time we get to limbo it's covered in dark plants, that its body was beyond saving. Mostly digested

[frigid tinsel]

Spoilers for final Abyss quest

[formal skiff]

I like that thought

[tranquil harbor]

There are mantas in the scene!

[frigid tinsel]

I think this is it

[tulip aspen]

that is possible, and could be an interpretation, but theres still no real evidence it even existed i think

OH YAY THANKS AL

okay so there are mantas, but none are blue boi

[tranquil harbor]

There is more than one manta. I saw at least two in the scene where we and the fish were within the maw

Special manta isn't blue???

[tulip aspen]

was he not blue?

[tranquil harbor]

No, he was normal manta colored. Except when covered in gross darkness

[frigid tinsel]

yes, more than one than one manta that escapes the leviathan, but that manta in my screenshot had a blue light trail

[tulip aspen]

he do have a blue

hmmmmmmm

thats lame we dont get to see that specific manta again properly

[tranquil harbor]

Me and Jam: -brain storming and getting confused-
Alasdair: -being the back bone of lore chat-

[frigid tinsel]

Heres a better shot

[tulip aspen]

yep!!!
okay so it's proven then great

[pine creek]

I'm sorry for interrupting, but what's the Megabird?

[tranquil harbor]

Manta does have a physical body. Or at least its incorporeal body can be eaten (which, so can cannoneer so I guess it doesn't matter if it has a physical one)

Mega bird is possibly the god of sky

[compact shale]

Good question

[frigid tinsel]

the personification of the Light, might be a hivemind or the consciousness of the hivemind, considered god.

[tranquil harbor]

Why did we care if it had a physical body? I'm getting sleepy and my memory just went poof

[native shoal]

When you realize that the season of abyss area has no spirit gate (what I call the ‘you need X amount of spirits to pass) so it’s possible that it’s the first season a moth does

[compact shale]

Because we wanna know its aliveness

[compact shale]

I heard you can only see the boat after you finish Vault but idk if it's true

[tranquil harbor]

Correct! I started during abyss season, and did not get told until after I had done eden (which I went to straight from the vault in one swoop)

[native shoal]

Oh same. My moth experience I charged directly at Eden and did very little else

[tulip aspen]

the megabird is the entity in Orbit, a giant mass of Light energy that all Light Beings come from and belong to

it's called megabird by lore vets because the entity is named that in concept arts, and people love personifying the megabird as some sort of god

The One/Megabird still exists and is wholly relevant, via the Light that we see in Orbit

all Beings of Light in the world came from the Light, they belong to it, and they will always inevitably return

"And as a consciousness, it is so multitudinous and incomprehensible as to not be any kind of force, active or passive, in the grand scheme of things."
--lapis

the lifeblood of the light that flows in and out of the corners of the universe are the light creatures, like the arms and legs of the great mass

[frigid tinsel]

moth me avoided Eden for 17 days

[native shoal]

Yknow megabird looks sorta like those mega galaxy clusters

[tranquil harbor]

Coward /lh

I think I sped thru my first time over a total 2 days

[hushed steeple]

Holy spaghetti

[formal skiff]

Moth me was dragged, shaking, through it
Current me is dragged, calmer, through only the first part. But I still don’t go in alone cause I’m a coward.

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but if mega bird is spaghetti, does it have carbonara sauce, alfredo, or what?

[tulip aspen]

because i thought it might just be a mass projection by the sea for some reason

okay so it had been trapped inside the levi for forever, so the first instance of meeting it still should prolly be just through that meditation, not actually it physically

[frigid tinsel]

someone wrote a whole story here a while back connecting Sky lore to the giant spaghetti monster

[tulip aspen]

moth me avoided eden for 2 months!

and i enjoyed it way more because of that

[hushed steeple]

Thats what the skykids and spirits are

[tranquil harbor]

I am the mighty warrior. I do not fear Eden, Eden fears me. (Except that last krill. I fear that guy mightily. Getting past him is haaaaaard)

[compact shale]

Flying spaghetti monster?

[native shoal]

Bruh I had no guide whatsoever on any of it. I did have a moth friend though! We progressed through the game together. Story wise I imagine once they went up to orbit in Eden they just completely ascended and did not come down

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[sharp lichen]

Wait, the flight symbol is just Megabird sideways? WHAAT

[frigid tinsel]

GreatWolf's flying spaghetti monster lore story
1/2: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
2/2: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
bonus: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

Okay, so upgrade manta is a powerful light creature that can project itself and use magic to somehow force the levi to open it's mouth
It was eaten by levi and the darkness inside weakened it, and when we meditated at it's statue it reached out to us and called us to dive down and free it and the other light creatures

sound good yall?

[formal skiff]

Yeah!!!

[native shoal]

I think megabird looks like a galaxy supercluster, like laniakea

[tranquil harbor]

However, I am of the mindset that the manta got eaten between teaching us to dive and final quest

[compact shale]

What if it's a manta spirit who's calling us to free the comrades

[tulip aspen]

als picture shows it has a very physical body

[compact shale]

Oh

So it's some deity

[tranquil harbor]

so what was that giant pulse before we grabbed cannoneer and got eaten? Was it the Leviathan? Was it the manta asking for help? Or did our kid ignore it because the manta was specifically telling us to run

[tulip aspen]

hmm......
maybe, but the levi went straight down into the Abyss

it never went up to eat things

[frigid tinsel]

do you mean that heartbeat?

[formal skiff]

I assumed the big call was Levi. Kind of like how the krill call before booping you.

[compact shale]

So how did that mants BECOME a deity?

[tranquil harbor]

The manta could have been in the abyss. For all we know it swims all over treasure reef

My only issue with the big call being Leviathan is that it's a light call and Leviathan is corrupted. Can krill light call?

[frigid tinsel]

prob cos it's the collective entity of all the beings of the sea. it wasn't willed into creation, it just happened because there were so many beings in the sea. it is the harmony.

[formal skiff]

Oh good point ennarcia

[tulip aspen]

its just born that way, it just simply has stronger powers to project it's will

great manta has brute strength in flight ,and this one has psychic/mind strength

i know this is a sudden change but im gearing more towards it just being a creature now, not even a deity or from the will of the sea

[compact shale]

So it's kinda like a smaller Megabird of the sea in terms of its creation?

[tranquil harbor]

I can not agree with that theory Jam. I love u, reef manta, and I know u r a special boi

Even if it's not a straight up god, it's certainly special/stronger in some way. We see a krill eat another manta, and krills aren't even as big as the Leviathan. Reef manta magics the levi into hurling their lunch

[tulip aspen]

he is a special boy, just like the great manta

couldnt we say the same thing about the great manta exploding mountains of darkness rocks?

[tranquil harbor]

Like, most mantas r just dumb birds, but this one used magic

Great manta is stronk

[tulip aspen]

yea hes def waaay more intelligent

great manta was too, kinda
not as strong as psychic reef boi, but great manta def was intelligent enough to create objectives for itself instead of just spinning in circles and "w o o"

[compact shale]

What if it's a sub-Megabird? The sea is a sub-hivemind of Megabird

[tulip aspen]

thats what i was going for at first fruit, but that physical body proves it wrong for me

[tranquil harbor]

I'm just really feeling the 'local guardian god' theory. Like, it's not some infallible mega god, it's just a strong spirit kind of thing

Like, you hear 'god' and thing 'all powerful' but minor gods are not, and can usually barely protect their area

[formal skiff]

What if it’s a little piece of Megabird that was sent down to uhh
Do something
Idk
My idea ended there lol

[tulip aspen]

i was feeling it too, but i have a hard time believing the will of creatures in their mindspace created a physical entity out of thin air

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, if it's a god. I don't think it's the will of the creatures either tho, so that's kinda where we disconnect. Can it connect and carry out the will of the creatures? Yes. Is the will of the creatures what it's made of? I don't think so

[tulip aspen]

technically not wrong, all creatures, ancestors and descendants start as drops of Light in the Sky

[formal skiff]

Oh true

[tranquil harbor]

I think it was either born a manta god thingy, or it was a regular manta and something happened to it to cause its ascension

[tulip aspen]

exactly, it looks like a real, living, manta

it has a different eye and everything and im willing to believe it has a stronger connection to the Light in order to contact us in the Mindspace and force it's will on the levi to get it to open it's mouth, but those are psychic powers, we've seen ancestors do similar; so for me it comes down to a light creature born with strong abilities

there's just too much disconnects with the god concept and multi-conscious concept the moment we see it is a real manta, almost the same size as any other manta

those two concepts are already present in Sky with rules to how those themes present themselves

[tranquil harbor]

It's really smart though. Like, are sky animals smarter than irl animals, do our kids have the ability to just... connect to nature on such a level? (I wouldn't be surprised if that last one was true but this and that are different)

[tulip aspen]

hmm it is really smart, and my parallel with great manta is slightly redundant for now I'd say

[calm pebble]

Do we know what the heck happens to the Leviathan?

[tranquil harbor]

It stays in the abyss, swimming. You can go see it again

[compact shale]

Does it attack

[tranquil harbor]

I think Alasdair was the one to check and I don't think u can even get to it, it's too far down and there is a barrier

[tulip aspen]

i dont think its about us connecting to nature, our skykid just saw a place to meditate and instinctually meditated there like they always do

once they did, the manta had access to our mind, and was desperate, and cried out for help

it's will and plea that we would descend into the water to save it was simple but it's connection to the Light was powerful, and we saw within it's thoughts that it wanted us to "dive" and just like with meditation, with saving spirits, with saving those like us, with lighting candles, and with taking to the sky,
we just did it.
on instinct
almost like that connection to the manta programmed it into us, just as our connection to the Light programs us to rescue those left in the dead kingdom

[compact shale]

This is beautiful

until someone uses the mindspace to blackmail us

[tranquil harbor]

Mantas just seem to like sky kids in general, and I can't tell if it's because light creatures like sky kids, or because mantas are domesticated and used to interacting with spirits, so they see a sky kid and think nothing of it

[compact shale]

Manta just wants us to pick em up they are stuck

[tulip aspen]

"megabird NEEDS you to give me a heart, GO child.... COLLECT candles and give me HEARTS ooooooooooooo"

[frigid tinsel]

i haven't taken a return visit to the leviathan yet but someone basically said so – that there's a windwall down there

[tulip aspen]

he be vibing

maybe psychic manta just magically made him passive

or, a sad thought for levi, psychic manta made it so levi could never open their mouth again.....

[keen shore]

Additional fun fact. While you’re in this state you can honk, it sounds like a high pitched beep. You know those little calls spirits make periodically when you’re reliving their memory? Yeah, that’s them honking at you

[tranquil harbor]

I think Levi learned their lesson about trying to eat us

[compact shale]

The Glowing Manta With The Power Of Activating Gag Reflexes

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kid: -enters abyss again-
Leviathan: -fearful sweating- If I just stay down here the manta won't hurt me again, do not eat the child

[keen shore]

I think there was one point where I accidentally dropped the hiking grouch carry quest circle and the spirit orb began frantically honking at me

[tranquil harbor]

he got grouchy u dropped him lol

[keen shore]

They did, it was hilarious

[rapid arrow]

I read that as he got gronchy-

[tulip aspen]

Okay, so upgrade manta is a powerful light creature that can project itself and use magic to somehow force the levi to open it's mouth
It was eaten by levi and the darkness inside weakened it, and when we meditated at it's statue it reached out to us and called us to dive down and free it and the other light creatures

°°°manta story/place in abyss plot
our skykid just saw a place to meditate and instinctually meditated there like they always do

once they did, the manta had access to our mind, and was desperate, and cried out for help

it's will and plea that we would descend into the water to save it was simple but it's connection to the Light was powerful, and we saw within it's thoughts that it wanted us to "dive" and just like with meditation, with saving spirits, with saving those like us, with lighting candles, and with taking to the sky,
we just did it.
on instinct
almost like that connection to the manta programmed it into us, just as our connection to the Light programs us to rescue those left in the dead kingdom

¶
okay awesome we do be reaching conclusions
(kinda)

but there's a bigger problem/topic that's WAY more of a headache

[tranquil harbor]

when your grouch is crunchy

[rapid arrow]

We are effectively doing are best

[tulip aspen]

but there's a bigger problem/topic that's WAY more of a headache
are we really taking the guide's place about a story that actually happened in the past?

why and HOW would it repeat, because levi was trapped in the observatory when we got here, there's no way abyss team or someone trapped it in again!

aaaaaaaa
THIS IS JUST AS BAD AS DREAMS WAS

WHY ARE THE TWO BEST STORIES SO AWFUL AT ACTUALLY PLACING THEMSELVES INTO THE GAME'S SETTING

[formal skiff]

Or
It’s better
Because it causes so many problems… maybe it can rule out one side of the debate. And settle this for good.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm firmly on team 'the manta didn't get into trouble until later' and 'we're helping the spirits, not reliving memories'

[frigid tinsel]

oh – hear me out – this takes place in the present. the spirits are spirits in the present. we caused issues in the present.

[rapid arrow]

I like to think in the world of sky, time is kind of fractured and funky. so maybe after Eden went boom time got displaced

[tranquil harbor]

Why do people hate the idea of spirits continuing to live on and have normal lives so much?

[tulip aspen]

but then WHY did they gather the diamonds???

why is abyss guide not actually in the story????

there's a lot of holes in all sides of the arguments eoeh roj rlj rlj flj f

[tranquil harbor]

to power their boat? Or other tech they may need?

Abyss guide is in the spirit memories. She's giving us her work

[compact shale]

Here's a headcanon

In the original timeline, Cannoneer really did die there

But in our mission, we're going into Abyss Guide's memories and changing that so whatever impact Cannoneer's death had on them doesn't impact the crew and allows them to ascend

Maybe Abyss Guide is aware that we're changing memories

But they don't ascend

Maybe the fact that they're aware of the memories changing weighs them down preventing them from doing it

Thats just a headcanon

[sharp lichen]

Now I see why you all make everything non-canon

[hushed steeple]

Yeah theres no way someone could breath that deep. I really just kinda went “well she IS a spirit :/“

[tulip aspen]

....okay okay okay

it IS just a headcanon

but like our original concept with dreams you and i had (that got scrapped), it'd work really well
hmmmmmm

[compact shale]

Headcanon until proven theory

[tulip aspen]

intro moment

god i shouldnt have thought about that someone hold me down

[rapid arrow]

Ok ok hold on someone give me a rough list of all the seasons in order canonically if you can. I’m about to pull out what my social teacher does

[hushed steeple]

Granted “being ok” for spirits is a much wider definition than living or dead

[sharp lichen]

All I know is Prophecy, then everything else I guess? There’s very little to work off of, but I’m sure there’s some theories floating around

[tulip aspen]

prophecy isnt confirmed to be the first canonically

its still possible and in the end you could be right, but we have no proof

[tranquil harbor]

Okay, I'm going to bed. Y'all should probably consider that the seasons happened in the order they happened in game

[frigid tinsel]

They gathered diamonds cos they’re “greedy” scavengers treasure hunting. Just cos they’re dead doesn’t mean they’re gonna stop.

The abyss guide is in the story. They’re helping us fit in with the rest of the crew.

[tulip aspen]

hm maybe

[sharp lichen]

That’s true, but you also have to keep in mind the narrative purpose. It would make a lot more sense for Prophecy to be at the early years of Sky instead of the late years

[tulip aspen]

the abyss guide doesnt interact with us at all tho

[rapid arrow]

At the end though. They salute to us

[tranquil harbor]

when we offer diamonds, we look at Abyss Guide first like 'is this really okay?' and Abyss Guide encourages us to walk toward the table

[tulip aspen]

definitely not late years but i still believe it happens just before the darkstone era

@rapid arrow i mean yeah, that's at the end tho hmmm what to do

[gilded socket]

Yes it is confusing

[tulip aspen]

oh wait really?
oh okay that might make it better

[rapid arrow]

I’m doing a timeline. Will that confuse things probably but it helps me

[frigid tinsel]

Yea they do. We look at them, as if asking permission, and they nod back before we show off the power diamonds we found.

[boreal nebula]

The non light recharging fish (Knifefish white body little golden head) from first Abyss Release are still in game, this time in Sanctuary new Sea Trench

[tulip aspen]

okay okay thats good

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
maybe it really did happen fully in the present, seems the most tangible at this point

okay well in that case abyss guide is lame

did we ever get a character card for them?

[tranquil harbor]

we haven't even gotten a card for cannoneer yet

[frigid tinsel]

We haven’t gotten a character card for Cannoneer yet. If we’re going off how things were presented in Flight, guide will be last

[tulip aspen]

TGC

[compact shale]

"Abyss is a Memory Wipe" headcanon-until-proven-theory

When we got to Treasure Reef, we confided with Abyss Guide and told them how we'd ascend the crew, including the part that involves changing their memories. They agree, so in the memory, they help us blend in with the crew.

In the original timeline, Cannoneer dies of drowning and everyone knows this. However, to get the crew to ascend, we change the memory and rescue them. Now, to the crew, Cannoneer is safe, and with this weight off their shoulders, they can ascend.

Abyss Guide thanks us for helping the crew. However, since they were made aware of the memories being changed, the original timeline still weighs down on them, so they can't ascend just yet.

[rapid arrow]

I have ran into the dilemma of I myself having no concept of time and therefore timelines are difficult

[tulip aspen]

lmao baud u dont have to delete we weren't trying to be rude, sorry we scared u

[boreal nebula]

Also, Resources missing, empty slots "Cannoneer was here"

Maybe she cheated and went to Sanc to get their share for quest and enstablish dominance

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer would T-pose

[formal skiff]

A thought:
Cannoneer drowned. They all gotta die somehow. But the odd thing was, not only did their physical body stay down there, their spirit did too… and that’s what we were rescuing. Their spirit, which had been trapped underwater since their death.

[rapid arrow]

But we also released the krill

[tulip aspen]

willkommen

i actually have a timeline i still believe in to this day, it conflicts heavily with lapis, al, and bauds takes tho, they confidently present very different timelines from me

so yea we have no understanding

[sharp lichen]

several people are typing dam this is the most active lorechat has been

[frigid tinsel]

Everybody has different ideas in an open-ended sandbox, just don’t be a jerk about it

[rapid arrow]

slams table Lorechat is in session now and it’s about the concept of time

[tranquil harbor]

why does lore chat gotta be in session when I'm trying to go to bed. I'm too tired to contribute but the constant messages make it hard to leave

[formal skiff]

I get that that’s me every night

[frigid tinsel]

Today in difficult abstract concepts lorechat will discuss: t i m e
Tune in tomorrow so we can talk about god episode 65

[tulip aspen]

yee

al id love to have another megabird religion chat some time

[tranquil harbor]

Y'all always cover the topics I wanna be in when I can't be in them.

[frigid tinsel]

Not now I feel very crap today and I’m using my few spoons on the fanfic

[tulip aspen]

ye def not now xD im supposed to be practicing sax smh

[rapid arrow]

I’m meant to be doing math but… Sky is calling

[compact shale]

Speaking of memory-wiping spirits, I also assumed that we were doing this for Flight.

In the original timeline, the spirits couldn't save the paths, and that prevents them from ascending, so we became part of their memories and changed that.

Ash disproved that tho so the case of the paths not corrupting until quest 4 is probably a case of the storm weakening

[rapid arrow]

I’m sorry the storm weakening

[keen shore]

Theories on spirit manta!

It was pretty obviously a spirit of some kind to me. Whether it’s “real” or like… a metaphorical spirit that we imagined, I’m not sure.
Evidence for this

Dissolves in the same manner that spirits do after we get their emote.
Can turn into a “soul star” greatly resembling the star spirits turn into and fly towards their temple as.
We know from spirit hair colors that the color white gets maintained, this explains why the manta is white and not dark blue star-pattern like ancestor spirits. The color gold can also technically be maintained [I believe some rhythm spirits have gold streaked hair] although there are mostly white mantas, so it isn’t too odd.
Fades into existence in the quest cutscene after stopping in front of us. For a few frames it is semi transparent.
We have to burn away the darkness plants from its outer shell? body? before filling it with light and seeing the spirit. This is a direct parallel to us burning away the darkness shell around spirits before seeing their emote
Teaching us how to swim MAY be a parallel [in the way it was presented] to spirits reaching us their emote. Not sure about this, though.

Current personal theories on what the manta spirit in the leviathan is:

• A manta it consumed who we revived and freed, freeing every other light creature trapped in the leviathan’s stomach as well.
  Shortcomings: If the manta was consumed, why isn’t it just… gone? Why is there any light left at all? And how did it manage to get out? [Maybe some weird leviathan version of gag reflex?]
• One of the mantas that formed the corrupted conglomerate that became the leviathan. By freeing it from the darkness binding it to the others, we ripped a part of the leviathan away from itself and caused the reaction that made it open its mouth in shock.
  Shortcomings: are the other mantas just not allowed to be freed as well? Why jsut one?

[frigid tinsel]

Nothing last forever

[tulip aspen]

okay so im gonna go with alasdair's concept for now, but unlike upgrade manta who is a little more concrete now, this should def be disputed into the future, i actually didnt expect someone to have such concrete evidence for one side for it

until that later time with hopefully different and golden ideas and arguments, yes abyss guide asks us to help them in real time as a spirit, and them bonding over getting cannoneer back is what helps them all to ascend in spite of all the stealing and scavenging and horrible monsters they've faced while alive

sounds good!

[frigid tinsel]

Btw I’m gonna make my grad class read another skyfic

[formal skiff]

AMAZING

[boreal nebula]

Another foreshadowing consideratiojn (beside the mural, probably telling the story of how the Reef citadel discovered the Leviathan):

While Angsty Angler is on top of the whirpool (probably scavenging on foot), Cacling Cannoneer is the one on the bottom slot, "caught" in the verey Eye of Abyss

[compact shale]

Angsty Angler lmaoaoaoaoaoaoaoao

[formal skiff]

ANGSTY ANGLER

[tulip aspen]

hmm well like i said, it's a real tangible and alive manta just like any other manta, as seen in ascension from the Abyss via alasdairs pic

the scene we see all sorts of trippy things in happens as we are meditating, so per my concepts about meditation, things are a bit more up for debate on if it's 'really there', especially because it's still inside levi and has been for centuries, as per my rebuttle that it cant have been eaten in between parts 4 and 5

your idea that it was dead and just revived is definitely a nice unique take, it goes to say that any and all creatures inside the levis mouth should have died a long time ago

so i know this is dumb but
id just believe, for now, that the levi didnt actually 'digest' any of them

[harsh pecan]

That must’ve been miserable

[frigid tinsel]

i've called darkness a force that consumes and holds onto light. it petrifies. it may use light to grow, but it doesn't have to and seldom does destroy or digest the light it contains. things afflicted with darkness can "die" by petrification, though it's essentially preserved in the process

well the light itself is preserved, the being that composed that light may not survive in that same state (debatable).

[visual knoll]

So they bodies are like
Ash mummies?

[visual knoll]

Like Pompeii??

[frigid tinsel]

petrified statues and skykids aren't mummified. moreso turn into stone. frozen. overwhelmed by darkness holding it down and unable to move.

[keen shore]

I personally do not believe the upgrade/spirits manta[s] are a culmination of things. Instead, I believe they are two separate manta spirits from the same species. Why?

Issue of Precedents

• Despite many of my favorite headcanons, there aren’t 100% confirmed precedents for soul conglomerates existing in sky. Megabird is the closest we can get to confirmed but that’s in concept art.
• There IS a precedent of creatures [esp ancestors] having singular, unfused? spirits that behave in a similar way - sharing all the characteristics I mentioned above. We don’t have too much knowledge on what we would look like if we were summoned to the world between the time we died in Eden and were reborn, but we do share some of those characteristics, notably the soul star and having a spirit form similar to how our actual bodies look. The difference between us and the spirits is IMO we have more innate light so our spirits are more tangible, but different topic for another time
  Why introduce something completely new for this season when it can already be explained away with an expansion existing lore?

As for why I don’t believe that manta is alive or physical… I mean, you can see its shell, completely corrupted and drained of darkness, which you have to burn the darkness plants away from. You even have to fill it with light after. [I explained this above with its connection to spirits and have not yet gotten an alternate explanation on why it behaves so similarly to ancestor spirits].

Making comparison shots between upgrade, darkness, and common abyss mantas is hard because we don’t get great shots of any of them. I’m going to try to see if I can get good comparison pictures, because to me they do look different.

Also note that it’s not super weird for all those light creatures escaping from the leviathan’s mouth to be spirits of light creatures

Original manta cutscene [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[tulip aspen]

i actually considered mentioning your thing ive made almost into a law of nature about how light works ye, its important to keep that in mind

however, while in other theories and moments it works very well as a solid example, in this one we have no concept of how or why the bowels of the levi work or exist, so your law presents itself in this case as a theme to be rather than it physically trapping them, at least until we come up with more conclusive reasonings in conjunction with your law

[harsh pecan]

._.

[gilded socket]

The thing with this idea is that this would break an assumption we have
That every spirit memory we find is their "final" resting place
The problem is that the spirits in darkness found throughout Abyss does not match up with the idea you proposed
So either your idea is wrong
Or this assumption is flawed

[keen shore]

We don’t really have that assumption anymore, though
I for one know I never really did

[gilded socket]

Really?

[frigid tinsel]

they're petrified spirits, not bodies. where we find them may not be their living bodies' final resting space, just where their spirits were petrified.

[visual knoll]

Perhaps the spirit memory we find is where that spirit resonates most? Like, if someone gets lost and goes to a location that's familiar to them in order to be found?

[tulip aspen]

thats a great point that we cant state off seeing it be a 'normal' manta after it's freed doesnt confirm it's 'alive' beforehand

hmm

also, it is kinda weird, cos after part 5, the light creatures that escaped the jaws permanently vibe in the reef now, they just dont look like light creatures

unless you mean they were revived somehow too

[keen shore]

Yeah. I mean, it is for one [fainting warrior] but more out of sheer coincidence than anything else. For most spirits, even in areas where their death would’ve been realized, there’s no gravestones near their spirit memories at all

[gilded socket]

They look like the spirits yeah

[compact shale]

The spirit memories are probably one of their strongest/most characteristic/most defining memories, restricted in that it has to be relatively close to where they're petrified

[keen shore]

Psst fun fact. If we say manta and ancestor spirit creation is this similar, what does that say in turn about them possibly having similar biological/nonbiological composition ?

[tulip aspen]

we have nothing confirming it, but im not against it being a possibility, as evidence for it happening or not is either still confused or maybe we just havent discussed it extensively lol (that sounds like a great topic for another day someone write it down!)

[gilded socket]

Discuss the relations of spirits and location of petrified spirits to cause and location of death

👍

[tulip aspen]

gravestones dont imply their resting place, (and lack of doesnt imply they DIDNT die somewhere), in tearful and salute's cases those same graves seem to just be memorials

[keen shore]

Oh also keep in mind the presence of darkness plants on that manta in general. I have made MANY posts about those possibly being an indicator of nearby death, seeing them appear growing out of somethings limp body makes me think quickly “oh this is a dead thing”

[gilded socket]

I agree
I mean in real life gravestones are made despite the body never being found

[keen shore]

I mean yeah, but if the spirit memory is still their final resting place then does that imply their remains were just left there and everyone else went “Yeah. We’ll just make a gravestone over here, ignore that pile of what used to be a person, this is where they actually symbolically are”

[gilded socket]

Decomposition

Cause shroom

[tulip aspen]

perhaps, but that scene does happen in a limbo, so it's prolly in that astral mindspace reality (conglomerating lapis als and i's terms lmao)

[native shoal]

Fainting warrior deserves many hugs, along with tearful light miner

[frigid tinsel]

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are literally following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.

[formal skiff]

I like this thought a lot

[rigid mural]

i like this

[gilded socket]

Then the world has some weird tastes. Imagine going

"Wow this person can clap."

[tulip aspen]

in captain and miner's case we can assume they didn't long after, miner was prolly the last to die of the darkness spread in the cave-in, and their memory just simply survived the longest against the darkness purging it

[compact shale]

Maybe the claps were just that good

[compact shale]

The clap of the GOOOOODS

i beg you do not take this out of context

[gilded socket]

Oh wait double p

dies

[native shoal]

Fixed

[tulip aspen]

in captain's case, they were prolly too weak from the crash to swim towards where their bodies were crushed in their lifeboat

for miner's case, they cant exactly dig a hole in a cave where every surface is stone, keep in mind the cavein blockades were there long after; the darkness plants grew and degraded the rocks there eventually, clearing the way for us

[keen shore]

Also justifying that all spirits died like right after their spirit memory happened can get cartoonishly hilarious sometimes. The pouty porter stomped too hard and gave themselves a heart attack. The wave emote guy was immediately rammed into by an oncoming boat and fell to their deaths

[compact shale]

Confident stance-

never mind I don't want to joke about them their child is too precious

[gilded socket]

It could also be in correlation to the disaster which unfolded in Eden

Apocalyptic enough to wipe out the entire race

[visual knoll]

Hide and seek pioneer prolly went to play in the forest and died after getting lost

[native shoal]

The main one it makes sense for is fainting warrior, we see him pass out from presumed blood loss

[keen shore]

Their child murdered them and made them trip off the cliff. The entire sightseeing thing was just a ploy… for Murder

[gilded socket]

Man the game really wants to hide the fact that someone died right in front of a child.

[compact shale]

That's a lot worse than "they fell off the cliff"

[formal skiff]

I’M DYING INSIDE THIS IS SO FUNNY

[native shoal]

Even I as a moth knew once I watched it (didn’t find it until I had already done Eden) “Oh. He dead dead”

[keen shore]

In my opinion, this is more coincidence than anything else [considering it’s the only memory where the spirit pretty obviously dies] but obviously I am not the authority on anything so may not be fact

[tulip aspen]

died right after means that the eden explosion went off soon after in most cases, usually the base spirit cases

imagine the horror, no matter what you're doing, where you are, how you're feeling, how happy or sad you are, you didnt even have time to think or know

that shockwave from explosion killed them all
instantly

real violence warning!
||think about nuclear warfare, how awful that is
its real, and it could happen||

[gilded socket]

TGC: Don't worry he just ✨ fainted ✨

[rigid mural]

i think tgc should let us hold fainting warrior

[gilded socket]

I mean frankly humans have also calculated a lot of scenarios like this. Gamma ray bursts, micro black holes, etc.

[frigid tinsel]

something something kurzegast

[hushed steeple]

what even is sky cotl lore???

[keen shore]

So… how does that work for ushering stargazer? Did they find the king and the entire kingdom’s lifespan happened in <30 seconds, the kid they found immediately grew up, teleported through the trials and Eden, and set off the giant crystal that vaporized them before the stargazer even had time to break away from the memory

[rigid mural]

HELP
the king did all the skip bug, thats why he aced the trials

[frigid tinsel]

the king had glitches

[keen shore]

It’s why there’s no murals of them. They were too fast, nobody knew what they looked like or had time to paint them. All they remember is a blurred child silhouette

[rigid mural]

the king was a chibi

[sharp lichen]

Nothing. Everything.

[gilded socket]

That's probably the biggest contradiction to the idea rn. It was nowhere near death for anyone. But the theory could still apply to other spirits.

So why that spirit in particular?

[frigid tinsel]

water trial is harder if you're a chibi tho

[keen shore]

The king being a chibi explains a lot now that I think about it

[rigid mural]

yeah but dont underestimate chibi chaos

[tulip aspen]

thats a great point!

i think thats been an argument before, its just been months so its so vague now

YEAH! i remember saying that that argument is all we need to prove the "last moment" wrong!

[raw crypt]

water trial load skip

[native shoal]

I like to believe that the spirits places are their most prominent memory

[visual knoll]

^^^

[keen shore]

Kingdom exploding speedrun. As soon as that small fiend hit the ground, the world was OVER

[lofty void]

so that means fainting warrior is…

[hushed steeple]

been thinking about this for about 5 seconds but are winged light ded skykids???

[native shoal]

For some It’s trauma, for others it’s happy. Their most prominent memory is traumatic

[rigid mural]

thats what fell to isle and completed the trials

[lofty void]

sus

[boreal nebula]

Found a total of 2 oxygen spots in Sanc sea trench

[native shoal]

They’re doing the crab dance

[sharp lichen]

Did Ushering Stargazer even find the King? It contradicts with the Switch Trailer

[keen shore]

Oh no… I think I know what’s under that mask… 📮

[tulip aspen]

yes, that's my belief too

i was just playing devils advocate against salem cos i wanted to be sure "last moment" can be ruled out

its already been ruled out before but im an idiot and forgot

sorry salem

[frigid tinsel]

fainting warrior must've had a sad life

[keen shore]

Do Not apologize, I always want to be sure I can prove all my theories so good practice

[tulip aspen]

yay

did i question well /j

[native shoal]

That or because trauma typically outweighs other experiences when it’s fresh, he might’ve died not too long after

[lofty void]

Oh i almost forgot! These are probably shipping containers!

[visual knoll]

Funny thing (in a contradictory sense) is sometimes people irl just keel over and die suddenly so the last moment idea could work a bit.

[hushed steeple]

How could you be so blind to the spirit that died giggling at their friend?

[rigid mural]

another mask !

[tulip aspen]

btw i still think this is how most ancestors died, even if it doesnt connect to their memories

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD… ITS ROBERT

[lofty void]

take that mask off and theres another mask.

[native shoal]

And under that is the chibi mask

[lofty void]

Take the chibi mask off and you’ll see Chuckling scout’s mask

[compact shale]

Hey Vela, do you want a drawing prompt?

[tulip aspen]

died right after means that the eden explosion went off soon after in most cases, usually the base spirit cases

imagine the horror, no matter what you're doing, where you are, how you're feeling, how happy or sad you are, you didnt even have time to think or know

that shockwave from explosion killed them all
instantly

real violence warning!
||think about nuclear warfare, how awful that is
its real, and it could happen||

this was my argument
ngl, stargazer is the ONLY solid evidence against "last moment"
luckily, it's all we needed

[rigid mural]

kakashi moment

[keen shore]

Laughing at you quoting everything BUT the original quote

[gilded socket]

You know
That doesn't mean all the memories did not occur right before Eden

[harsh pecan]

Sad

[lofty void]

JSKDHXJSJSJ THIS IS THE BEST THING IVE BEEN PINGED FOR ALL DAY /gen

[frigid tinsel]

Devs have said that winged light are “the imprints of the children of the light” so prob not dead skykids.

Since they are imprints they are merely the impression of skykids, not skykids converted into something else but something their presence has left behind. One cannot become winged light, but one or more skykids do make them by just existing in the world in addition to some other factor.

One theory suggests they appear where many skykids have been and coalesce into winged light, like creating a well-treaded path in the woods by many footsteps — hence why they appear in the same spots. In-game they may be in the same spot for accessibility but in-universe they could land anywhere. We do know that winged light did not exist before skykids existed because they are never depicted in murals or spirit memories.

[lofty void]

someone got beaned by the filter

[keen shore]

Wait, what about spirits who appear in others spirit memories? Was the bald guy from forest just able to split into 3-4 separate beings all simultaneously present for the disaster in different spirit memories taking place at the same time? Are there two identical refusing voyagers who both really like to mine?

[native shoal]

Some of the memories are older than others, I fullheartedly believe the ‘most prominent memory’ theory because I believe that memories are the anchor for the self, and the spirits held onto their memories long enough and retained individuality long enough that they lasted until the sky kids came even with all of the darkness

[compact shale]

OH DEAR

by this logic, there is actually 2 of each Assembly spirit, therefore, double chaos

[lofty void]

Sanctuary guide is now multiple people

[keen shore]

Oh god… someone valley twinned the ENTIRE assembly crew. They can’t keep getting away with this

[compact shale]

except for QG

there is still only one QG

[keen shore]

Well, I think we know who the culprit is… the assembly guide has cloned way too many people

Valley elder having a normal day, but… little do they know the assembly guide is behind them with the Cloning Gun

[rigid mural]

the theory that the memories are the ancestors last moments makes me kinda laugh because if the eden explosion is real, then some of them would have noticed

[gilded socket]

I mean it could be right before and their memory cut off
It could also be nearly instantaneous that it hit them before they could process anything

[graceful lance]

I've always thought that their memories are some of the most memorable moments that they carry with them, whether those moments be good or bad

[frigid tinsel]

oh god there's more than two of them

[native shoal]

Just the pointing guy in isle peering through the clouds like “the hell’s going on over there?”

[lofty void]

assembly has a gmod toolgun and it’s set to “duplicate”. this is canon

[rigid mural]

i follow the theory that what we relive is a memory they have of the area they died in, hence why some are just... walking... (sassy drifter)

[harsh pecan]

Same, it makes sense for some spirits

[keen shore]

Fun fact! Iirc the ancestor the bashful? prospector was shy around/had a crush on was one of the ones who died in the light miner cave in :-) have fun with this knowledge :-)

[harsh pecan]

They probs ran out of ideas for the earlier seasons

[compact shale]

It took me someone from Cozy to realize that there is probably not just one hard-and-fast rule to spirit memories, this could very well be the case for SOME

[rigid mural]

whuh ? the bookworm spirit ? did they have a book on them ?

[frigid tinsel]

miner: I need to go to work but I wanna flirt with my crush. hmm. eyes cloning ray

[harsh pecan]

…

[keen shore]

I am pretty sure (need to check to be sure) but it’s the generic Forest baldguy

[rigid mural]

i know that the bookworm spirit (not the sanct one, the bald forest guy) can be found in miner's and lumberjack's memories

[frigid tinsel]

Forest ancestor with book for the nonbelievers: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

Unfortunately Prospector x Forest Bald isn't a good ship name so instead it's Prospector x Laidback