lore-discussion-spoilers

[tranquil harbor]

Like, objectively, it's not like that, but it feels like that

Sky is a disgustingly pretty game, both visually and metaphorically.

[tulip aspen]

we dont know anything

we all have our own headcanon story and timeline, each conflicting with each other's

we have topics we try to relatively agree on, which is something i heavily campaign we do, but like al said, it's all just conjecture

keep in mind the former creates bias WAAAAAYYYY more than it creates the latter, for most people anyway, people just love their headcanons, the stories they've came up with and concluded for themself with

i know a lot of the times we talk (i talk) like things are implied and obvious a lot, but people think so differently, and that's okay and a good thing

[tranquil harbor]

I know how it is realistically, don't worry Jam

[frigid tinsel]

Yea this is my preface to my skid anatomy doc

[rigid mural]

Spirits wanting to fly away like we do but being unable to.
I like to think we play the personification of their dreams of flight, something small, awkward, clumsy but still beautiful.

[tulip aspen]

god i need to see that animated

[tranquil harbor]

I need an AU where the spirits pass on an 'urban legend' between themselves about sometimes people seeing strange little 'spirits' that look like children and fly, and how they'll 'make them fly too' if you befriend them

Not 'sky kids are goblin monsters' but 'sky kids are some kind of good thing' like the tooth fairy or something, but ultimately 'make believe' (to the spirits at least)

So essentially other spirits can't see sky kids, they're only viewable when a spirit is almost ready to ascend

[tulip aspen]

very opinionated for sure, but i like it

you give other takes the respect they deserve

what matters is that the reader can hear about each and all theories as if they were on the same level through your respect, so that they can conclude which one they want to choose to follow

so i like it
very different style than my docs which try to blankly present evidence for each theory, and i think thats cool

i think it just takes the fortitude to be able to be proven wrong, and have those inevitable debunks or people who dont find it appealing thrown at you

it's happened to me a thousand fold, but ill admit i was very quiet in my first month here because i knew i knew nothing, so i just observed and analyzed and read until i felt secure enough to present ideas, which all failed and never landed with anyone until....

the intro debacle

[tranquil harbor]

I'm fine with being proven wrong in theory, it just doesn't feel good

[tulip aspen]

definitely, theres a reason why my docs have to be completely rewritten on a monthly basis

[frigid tinsel]

The doc is very incomplete so there’s some parts that just look

[tranquil harbor]

the blunt 'No.' really makes it

[tulip aspen]

for me vets arent people who have ults, but people who have been around for a long time

seeing days of feast items on a player in November, bloom items in january, ect ect, those make the difference to me

[tulip aspen]

at least you have an outline lolol, i can only write when im passionate, so once im fully confident in what i will write i will just finish the entire doc in what go through a flurry of typing, i dont like or do it any other way

[tranquil harbor]

But as I was saying, like, if you and I disagree on what sky kids are made of (wax or clay), it's one thing. We can discuss it and interesting ideas will come of it. But (for example) if I came in here and said 'what if sky kids are adults, here is logic that caused me to reach this conclusion', they are canonically children and someone could pull that on me, and then I just feel dumb for not studying enough

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes I’m going to take a hardline stance cos some common assumptions are based on real-world misconceptions that are harmful, like skykids being blind or emotionless. I’ve talked about it before but I’m gonna pass out in a moment

[tulip aspen]

when people use periods it always scares me, especially when they use it in a hekin basic text place like discord like why lmao just type what's the period for

when ithe messaging CAN be a lot simpler and less formal, the period just looks so conclusive and adamant, i have to correct myself to not read it as if the person using it isn't being rude or aggressive

"No.
That's not how it works."

[tranquil harbor]

Like, you really start to doubt your view on things, and if you can rely on your own thoughts

[sharp lichen]

A veteran is someone who can fully help out a new moth. A lore veteran is someone who can explain lore to a lore moth. Typically, you become a lore veteran by sharing your first theory with evidence

[tranquil harbor]

I've already done that Baudshaw but by god am I not a lore vet, I am not that conceited. There are things I do not know that I need to know

[rigid mural]

This is making my day

[tulip aspen]

yeahhhh exactly

[uncut pond]

That "In-depth explanations" immediately followed up by "[insert text here]" is comedy gold

[native shoal]

If skykids are wax then it explains why we need to collect candles and hearts for cosmetics, both are presumably wax as well so then the skykid/ancestor/whoever shapes it into the cosmetic

[shut trellis]

our soul is the candle and its flame

[sly kestrel]

Lore veteran? Yk it rlly doesn’t matter how long u have played, the lore always stayed vague and theories that have been shown here don’t rlly last long

[tranquil harbor]

the theory was that their light is hot enough to keep the wax moving without melting them, and they become statues because their light goes out and their bodies solidify

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a difference between chatting casually and writing seriously.
Me in Discord: just cos you’re not gonna eat a fish doesn’t mean your gender isn’t fisherman. cmon let’s throw some pies
My writing:

[native shoal]

Yeah ive seen that one

[tranquil harbor]

You've shared that before Alasdair

[native shoal]

That theory

[tulip aspen]

actually they dont need to be wax for your logic to work, just light

ive long since had a take that would canonize cosmetics, i love the concept so much

[tranquil harbor]

It's an interesting one. And more thematically appropriate to me than clay, so I like it

[shut trellis]

fr though, sky lore is confusing and new info is always being contributed.

[tulip aspen]

yeah they never really did until clayshell theory

[frigid tinsel]

ik I’m just proud of this

[tranquil harbor]

u should be, but I want more

[shut trellis]

wait whats the clayshell theory? that skykids' physical bodies are made of clay?

[tranquil harbor]

yes

[tulip aspen]

of earthen material, not clay, that's just a name we use based off further debates we've had

[frigid tinsel]

See also

[tulip aspen]

and as als thing here says prolly, its not really a body as much as a shell containing the Light

[tranquil harbor]

I read 'Ash' and thought of the person Ash and got really really confused

[frigid tinsel]

“We are the king” theory but with Ash

[tranquil harbor]

Ash is the king confirmed

[frigid tinsel]

Ash saying grandma and Hatsune Miku are the king has just been deflection

[tranquil harbor]

We're on to you Ash

[tranquil harbor]

Been thinking about clay theory. And I saw my wax melter in my kitchen. Which isn't clay, but you can make one in Animal Crossing New Horizons that is made of clay which got me on this train. But are sky kids essentially just walking wax melters? Do they have unique scents like 'Watermelon Kiwi Lemonade' and 'Vanilla Cupcakes'?
I know I said that in a humorous manner but I'm low key serious

[formal skiff]

Lolll that’s funny
But also hmmm interesting

[uncut pond]

I bet Chibis would have an scent like 'hellfire torch' or something like that because I swear people who chibi-fall on player doors are demons from hell trying to torment us

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, it's one thing if you're alone, but if you see 3 people at the door already and u chibi fall u suck majorly.

[formal skiff]

Yeah I always wait a bit honking, trying to wait for others to appear because it’s majorly annoying when there are four of you and a chibi is like “haha byeeee” but if no one shows up I glitch through

[tranquil harbor]

Ironically I think the door I'm thinking of (levitation door) is the one door that doesn't run into this issue. It automatically opens if someone approaches it from the other side. A chibi could open it alone just by walking back to it.
Unless it doesn't do that and my brain is playing tricks on me

[rigid mural]

Alasdair. The link. Hand it over.

[tranquil harbor]

It's not done yet. they have more tho. I've seen it and it is glorious

[rigid mural]

And ? I still am very curious

[tranquil harbor]

I'd send it to u myself but I don't know if I'm allowed

[frigid tinsel]

there are 18 pages (academic format) in this fic and it's still not done. I would like to have Sky players citique it cos the only eyes who have seen the whole thing don't play Sky – a friend and my grad class. rn it's in heavy editing phase so the draft isn't too conherent

[sharp lichen]

I need to get writing to my Sky lore fanfic, but I have barely anything

[tranquil harbor]

It's so good
I have a fic in the works but it's mainly because of spite tbh

[frigid tinsel]

I should make a timeline of my Sky ficverse

[sharp lichen]

I would want to write, but I’m just horrible at dialogue and prose

[frigid tinsel]

keep writing. practice makes perfect. also read other people's writing you enjoy and emulate what you enjoy from them

[tranquil harbor]

No time to get better than to enjoy being terrible! Pretend u have the confidence of a false god and go ham

[sharp lichen]

I’d rather support the good fanfics instead of working so much. And between Sky lore and writing about Sky, I’d have no time to actually play Sky

[tranquil harbor]

Reminds me, I need to hook up with Pancake and play

[frigid tinsel]

I incorporate Sky lore into my ficverse

[rigid mural]

Alasdair show me your fic

[tranquil harbor]

Fanfic is a good place to theorize. While thinking up plots u run into all kinds of neato theories u didn't think of normally

[raw crypt]

ive considered writing a sky fic more abt my ocs and lore but unfortunately i do not have the writing spoons currently

[tranquil harbor]

Get someone to tell you your lore is wrong and watch as you write an entire novel out of spite

[raw crypt]

hm I do work off of spite sometimes HJFHFHFFH

[sharp lichen]

We need a Sky RP server. I used to be in one: although what I actually said wasn't good, collaborating was really fun!

[tranquil harbor]

I haven't RP'd since my Gaia days

[raw crypt]

but yeah so many ppl jn this chat r so talented in writing or art or just theory-crafting or r just swag and cool in general and i love seeing what u guyz make 💥💥💕

[formal skiff]

I. Would. DIE. To join that.

I have so many Sky ocs and ffhjhfddshhkkhgg

[graceful lance]

It sounds fun :D

[nimble ingot]

I recall there is one a youtuber did about Eden.
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wy93B3w4k0

[elder torrent]

Thank you!

[nimble ingot]

As in something like a D&D group with Sky as the setting?

[sharp lichen]

Well, you haven't been in a Sky RP, have you?

[nimble ingot]

I have not.

[tranquil harbor]

Baudshaw the salesman arrives

[sharp lichen]

D&D is quite restrictive, as you have to schedule sessions. In an RP, things don't happen in real-time, and there's a lot more freedom to what you can do: the players normally have their own goals, but can work together or collaborate to achieve a shared goal.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

shush Skybot

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[tranquil harbor]

Who has an 'it is that deep' meme cuz I don't

[tranquil harbor]

This is Baudshaw sliding into my DMs

[nimble ingot]

lol yes (sorry for deleting it, I will move it to another channel)
#sky-memes message

[nimble ingot]

sure, but no rules though.

"I stab you in the back"

"No you dont, I turn back time and kill your parents. you are ded lmao "

[sharp lichen]

The server I was in had a rule: "12. Don't force your character's actions on anyone! Ask for consent to do stuff!"

[tranquil harbor]

we've been off topic for a bit, maybe the mods sent that bot here to rerail us...

[nimble ingot]

correction, little to no rules.
It is fun, though not much for mechanics.

[tranquil harbor]

can I save your meme in case I need to t-shirt cannon the bot?

[nimble ingot]

the mods cannot railroad us if there is no railroad to speak of, lol.

"The game is open to interpretation", after all.

[tranquil harbor]

Yes, talking about RP is vital to our lore discussion. It was a treasured past time of the spirits, or so says this mural we found after chibi falling thru forest mama's hair while in eden

[nimble ingot]

the mural in the... forest elder hair... in Eden???

[tranquil harbor]

please tell me you're also kidding because I'm definitely making a joke

[nimble ingot]

I am. XD

[formal skiff]

The most sacred mural of all

[tranquil harbor]

Good cuz I'm getting sleepy. Brain enters panic mode like 'oh no'

[fickle wing]

shoutout to the real goofy looking elder constellations from light awaits n their lil dot eyes

[formal skiff]

Aww lol

[tranquil harbor]

are there more of these?

[fickle wing]

i only have those 2 + ayin on hand

[tranquil harbor]

thank u regardless. they water my crops

[nimble ingot]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5e8ad3fb9865c703854087b3a19c6920/021fccda65433304-f4/s1280x1920/ec9e8edc4287f0069622284d94a9f1a04966d37a.jpg
The three constellations from one image.

[tranquil harbor]

I love them so much

[nimble ingot]

https://krillking.tumblr.com/post/667139892578533376/hey-light-awaits-fans-come-get-ur-food

[keen shore]

Oh Mu god they are so Cute

[tranquil harbor]

Is that a corrupted sky child?

[nimble ingot]

which one?

[tranquil harbor]

3. Also in 4 they're sitting with forest mama. Did they glitch/oob that or was that just a thing u could do

[nimble ingot]

https://krillking.tumblr.com/post/644322080934002688
There is more.

[keen shore]

I just realized that isle elder is the only one who didn’t get clothes diamonds, but I can’t tell if that’s for some lore reason or because their beard is just too long

[nimble ingot]

Going to the elder's area has always been a thing for players to do when going OOB.

[fickle wing]

o hey that’s. My sky blog

[tranquil harbor]

Good because if they'd really just had 'hang out with the elders' as a thing u could do legit, I would have felt robbed

[nimble ingot]

oh, cool!
Thanks for the cool images.

[fickle wing]

i actually. Have some more screenshots from that oob since i was talking abt it earlier w some pals

[frigid tinsel]

Was the Forest Elder’s cutscene different back then? It looks different here

[nimble ingot]

It was, it used to be more like a forest than the temple.

[tranquil harbor]

Forest Mama our beloved

[fickle wing]

old cutscene is here 👀 https://youtu.be/3RTV5cxuyBU?t=4551

[tranquil harbor]

I like some of it better tbh. I don't think Forest Mama gets her clothes restored in the current one like she does here. It gave a powerful feeling

[fickle wing]

rlly minor thing but i miss how the elders would blink in their cutscenes it added a smidge more life into em ig

[tranquil harbor]

She looked sadder in the old one. My first thought was basically 'wait is she crying?'

[frigid tinsel]

Oh wow. Thank you

[turbid cliff]

Gosh I just love the animation in the old forest mama cutscene

Makes me kinda wish that they could replace the current cutscene with the old one, and just have that with the current Elder's look + graphics

[tranquil harbor]

Her using her hammer and anvil is cool, and it's hilarious that she just snatches your light from you, but the way you offer her light by lighting the candles has this different tone to it that's also wonderful

[turbid cliff]

I agreee

Makes me wonder what the older old cutscenes for the elders are

[frigid tinsel]

LA Forest Elder cutscene is like the Forest Elder is depressed then invigorated by a spark of hope.
Current cutscene gives me the sense of a bored, frustrated tinkerer finally that long-awaited final piece for a project

[formal skiff]

Yeah. I like both but they have very different vibes.

[tulip aspen]

bru that cutscene made a million times more sense wth

[tranquil harbor]

Current cutscene gives a slightly different meaning if your kid isn't the first kid to go thru. She's sick of her machine breaking

[tranquil harbor]

I noticed those candles formed a smile recently and is very cute

[formal skiff]

Yes :)

[queen pike]

ayin my beloved

[rigid mural]

Final quest is in less than 9 hours, how are we feeling lore chat ? It's obviously gonna be a bit special since the previous quests were a bit basic.

what if wooly mantas worked like baby otters and their sheer fluff prevents them to sink ? ideal friends moths could hold onto while they learn how to swim

I have this headcanon we're seeing more and more spirits coming down just to hang out because we pushed enough darkness away; over time, maybe they will visit us even more frequently. Maybe we could see the old home questgiver hanging out in sanctuary and wave them hello

[formal skiff]

AHAHA I LOVE IT
Can I make it an emoji on another server?

[rigid mural]

of course, wooly mantas belong to the lore chat

[formal skiff]

Yay tyyy

[half shadow]

the little tail paddling

[foggy lotus]

now imagine them being bopped by the waves

[compact shale]

I wanna ride one

edit: as long as they don't try to knock me off or anything

[foggy lotus]

you sink in the floof

[frigid tinsel]

the floor proteccs

[formal skiff]

AWWW the lil floaty mantas are too cuuuuute

[compact shale]

floofy manta will be there to greet you after you suffer

[harsh pecan]

omg

[native shoal]

First thing a skykid sees after Eden and orbit is just a wooly manta in the home space. Therapy wooly manta like how some people have therapy dogs

[grim pumice]

Continuing my sleep deprivation-driven season of dragons, now dubbed Season of Nature. The dragons emerge(d) from a pit (dubbed The Pit lol) that keeps the origins of the dark dragons super vague. feeling good about it thus far

[low storm]

Woowoo supports gay rights
Be like woowoo

[lofty void]

the first thing i see upon returning to lore chat is wooly manta. praised be to wooly manta

[keen shore]

I have been feeling Awful all day but the wooly mantas have massively helped

[raw crypt]

i hope ur day/night gets better !!

[keen shore]

Thank you, I really appreciate it <3 hoping I feel better before the final quest comes around because I want to yell about it

[native shoal]

Therapy wooly mantas

[compact shale]

the final quest makes my stomach feel things that a stomach should not normally feel

[native shoal]

They’re built to be durable (hard to squish due to fluff) so you can just flop on ‘em and they don’t care

[compact shale]

For some reason the way I think about the wooly manta sound isn't quite what a regular manta sounds like rweorhewrherhwerh

[hushed steeple]

Been wearing lately. I keep forgetting when quest days are. Hoooo.

[compact shale]

well what do you think

[hushed steeple]

About what?

[formal skiff]

Aaaahhhhh I’m so sad I’m gonna miss the quest discussion tomorrow, more likely than not. Since I’ll be at school.

[compact shale]

the q u e s t

kamilico how ya feeling

[hushed steeple]

Wait is it out?

[foggy lotus]

tmrw i think

[hushed steeple]

Dunno how to feel about things not out yet. Guess i’ll see what they do with mr manyeyes there

I would hype up if we cured it or something.

[compact shale]

we exorcise them /j

[hushed steeple]

Melt through them like concept king

[compact shale]

Idk why but I kinda hope we blow the ship up

[keen shore]

I hope at least one of them gets harpoon-ed. I think after not seeing a cannoneer card until now we deserve to have them shoot Something… maybe us ?

[tulip aspen]

aiya dont die

[keen shore]

I am Trying

[tulip aspen]

im def gonna have to hide away from this chat again while the hype is going on

no matter what situation it is ill prolly just never change this status nickname ever again

[compact shale]

5th quest is about dodging cannoneer's attempts to eliminate us from the face of the sky

[keen shore]

“Help, I keep trying to shoot the tiny child who released all the monstrous beings on me and my crew, but they won’t stop respawning”

[compact shale]

And then it ends with a cool "ASCEND IN PEACE, CACKLING CANNONEER!"

[keen shore]

Are you implying the wish we had to fulfill for them to ascend is for them to just shoot us

[compact shale]

No

I'm implying that we pull a final arson attack to get them still enough for us to ascend them

[queen pike]

two words: fish food

[boreal nebula]

Old topic but I made this

[formal skiff]

Amazing

[boreal nebula]

Btw there seems to be a big hole at the bottom of Treasure Reef after the update

I wonder who is holed in there

[keen shore]

I hope that many years in the future, someone will find this image completely out of context and have to decipher what it means

[compact shale]

the soups of the damned

[formal skiff]

I have not deciphered it

[keen shore]

I am going to guess that the leviathan will come out of that hole

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that hole has always been down there but it was blocked off by an invisible wall (which is still there but has since been moved down a bit) and it got pitch black when you went down there

[boreal nebula]

In short, Elders are energy source, especially in HF temple it power all the golden mechanism/dynamo (yet the Twins are the better example, they dont need our light to be at their peek)

[formal skiff]

Ah ok ty

[compact shale]

Name change? Why? Is it because the anatomy document is burning right now?

[frigid tinsel]

Where it all began: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
and resultant Vela art: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

I changed the font does that count?

[compact shale]

But is that the reason why you're lore anxious now?

[keen shore]

I changed the font on the mural doc to look better and my tablet froze for a full minute before the change went through because of all the Images

[frigid tinsel]

The final quest is tomorrow and there are so many possibilities for what may occur. If it’s “go gather some more resources” I’m gonna throw the Commodore into the ocean

[compact shale]

oh, so you're gonna pickle Commodore?

[keen shore]

Put them into the soup.

What are they even using the darkstone for to go through their supply so fast? Where are they hiding it?

[compact shale]

black market

[frigid tinsel]

Prob eating them

[boreal nebula]

So, this would be you.. seconds before mutiny?

[native shoal]

I think they’re just collecting everything they can in the area before they move on to the next place

[frigid tinsel]

Or if it’s for powering their boat but those tiny power diamonds probs can’t power the boat. Not the right size

[keen shore]

Now that I think about it, the ocean heated up would probably count as soup [contains meat, plants, and broth] , so we can definitely throw commodore in there

[compact shale]

primordial soup

[frigid tinsel]

Just call it cold soup and it’s good

[native shoal]

Go to the Gulf of Mexico in the summer, it’s warm and therefore soup

[compact shale]

isn't that what gazpacho is

[keen shore]

This was my first assumption but considering they’re spirits how does that work? Do they need to eat anymore? When we pay for stuff with candles, are we just feeding them with light sonehrow?

[compact shale]

maybe the candles are for megabird offerings

[keen shore]

That’s what I was thinking but if they’re also eating the light in the darkstone they’d probably be eating the candlelight too, right? What if they’re all offerings and they’re saving up to offer Megabird darkstone [and IMMEDIATELY get smited]

[formal skiff]

Maybe the candles are just a game mechanic

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe guide is making more rebreathers and planning to sell them

[boreal nebula]

Btw I wonder if tomorrow we will see Reef getting better lighting, like a clearer / less misty sky (sort of recalling Enchantment )

[compact shale]

maybe we'll finally see someone using them

[keen shore]

If we are meant to be taking the guide’s place in the seasonal Quests then they are the Group diver… however this has some funny implications because apparently it took them five quests to realize we may need help “breathing” underwater as well

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe it just took a while for them to rework them to skykid physiology

[compact shale]

The guide is trying to get us into the crew, Ash said so already

[frigid tinsel]

Then where the heck were the other spirits get the diamonds if we were the only ones diving?

[compact shale]

shovel

[keen shore]

They are stealing from the old stash of the ones we found and pretending they got them

[boreal nebula]

What if ||(random unachievable wish, I presume)|| the crew needed Resources to upgrade their boat into a full flegged pirate ship! 🏴‍☠️

[compact shale]

internal piracy

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think their boat has a hatch to the below storage and that’s where the diamonds are

[boreal nebula]

It's called recycling gifts

[compact shale]

if the beta ship still existed we might've been able to see it

[white dagger]

boat go bweee

[lofty void]

The beta ship was 100 times cooler and better than the one we have :(

[boreal nebula]

Does anybody noticed any changing in Windpaths? ||secretly hopijg new seasonal area will get a shortcut to WInd Paths||

[compact shale]

*all hell breaks loose and sir manyeyes destroys the wind paths... again

[boreal nebula]

All new seasonal areaS , actually

[lofty void]

manyeyes?

[frigid tinsel]

names for the big boi I've seen:
leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Kraken Leviathan, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill, manyeyes, fluffy, Spikey, Jorm the Worm

[lofty void]

ayyy my man shadow leviathan!!!

[keen shore]

I want to add to this list, can we call it fluffy?

[lofty void]

I imagine theres one person out there who’s dubbed shadow leviathan as “george”

[boreal nebula]

I would not go this far

[compact shale]

are you implying that you are not prepared for the consequences

[lofty void]

who is?

[compact shale]

You?

[lofty void]

what?

WAIT FRICK WRONG EMOJI GO BACK GO BACK GO BACK

[keen shore]

I think the flight guide could take the leviathan in a fight

Evidence: can call for backup from numerous light creatures, is prairie elders apprentice so probably has had to lift pot [exteemely buff] and is short [gives them a boost to determination and inner rage]

[boreal nebula]

I wish to see the leviathan swimming around Reef, like the sannctuary Elder "Manta", freee but not breaking out (and ruining other ecosystems of other maps)

[compact shale]

do you have a wish to be injured

[frigid tinsel]

Added

[formal skiff]

What about Spikey

[keen shore]

What if their full name is the entire list of hypothetical names ?

[compact shale]

You want me to Jugemu-ify them?

[boreal nebula]

King krill / first of its name ... yada y ada,

[compact shale]

Jugemu Jugemu Manyeyes Fluffy Ruby Levi Leviathan Shadow Leviathan Dark Leviathan Great Leviathan Kraken Leviathan King Krill Mega Krill Mother Elder Krill Big Fish Giant Fish

[rigid mural]

im naming them fluffy

[keen shore]

Beat you to it >:3c

[frigid tinsel]

Someone will be like “meet my pet, Fluffy” and it’s just

[boreal nebula]

I think it could be best to start by KING KRILL, many outside Lore only know that name (thx to YT videos)

[compact shale]

heck you're right

[keen shore]

Fluffy is a corrupted conglomerate of all the mantas in the world named fluffy and that is why it is so large

[frigid tinsel]

Oh... that hurts.
Someone shouts “fluffy” while fighting the thing and it stops and starts wagging its tail and it’s like you know

[keen shore]

Crying now, thanks /j

[sharp lichen]

In lorechat, nothing to me is a game mechanic. Everything has a purpose

[sharp lichen]

You forgot Jorm the Worm! (The Jorm is short for Jormungandr)

[formal skiff]

Fair enough, it’s fun to think of lore reasons for stuff! Just because things might actually just be game mechanics doesn’t mean we have to treat them like game mechanics

[frigid tinsel]

added

[boreal nebula]

LOL! Explain me dollars/euro/any monetary value fitting into lore then

[compact shale]

what

[ember temple]

IAP’s

[compact shale]

DAmn

[boreal nebula]

I mean, we have to draw a line between lore and game mechanisms. It's about making a 4th wall. Not all can be pushed fo far

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve written on this before:

I think the skykids' economy operates in light/light magic and utilizes candles as a medium for their currency. Kinda like how irl money ($¢£¥) utilizes bills, coins, checks, or debit cards.

Think of it like money. Say I have $100, that’s an intangible amount of money. To make it tangible, we have nonfungible pieces of currency that add up to $100, whether it be one $100 bill, five $20 bills, ten $10 bills, a various assortment of coins, or even a mix of it all. All together in my hand I would be holding $100. I could even write a $100 check. but that is $100 out of a whole mass of money that circles the global economy physically and virtually.
Light is like money. It is intangible, a mass of something. We can divide it into many parts that add up to a total. Like bills and coins, we use candles to represent an amount of light to purchase or craft cosmetics.

[keen shore]

Oh, so it’s like - light is the money, the candles are the vessel?

[boreal nebula]

I meant: How do u explain the exchange rate from dollars (or whatever) into candles? Are skykids aware of finance and all Stockes Exchange worldwide ?despite obviously being completely outside of game?

We cannot push lore too much😂 😅

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe it’s more like you need this much light in reserve to manifest the very fluffy blue snowflake cape, it’s a 300 candles worth of light so do you have that? No? Better get grinding, my friend

[keen shore]

The light being money to an extent makes sense for post disaster timeline. I doubt there’s a whole functional economy Wherever the spirits are, and skykids can offer candles to get closer to each other but don’t really have a trading system in place outside of what players set up [for example, there isn’t an in game trading system where people sell cosmetics for candles].

This means light’s value revolves entirely around whatever utility it has to anyone who uses it as a “”currency”” and isn’t decided by its value in comparison to other things like our money is [as in, how we can sell things for a certain amount of money irl, therefore deciding the money’s value in relation to that thing, instead of the paper or coins or whatever makes up the money themselves being useful]. To players, the worth of a candle can be somewhat determined by comparing it to cosmetics, but in universe I doubt anyone in universe would care that much and would focus more on the candles utility in themselves - kind of like a barter system ?

Sorry if this doesn’t make sense, tired brain and sleeping soon

[native shoal]

I call the big thing the Dark Whale, it reminds me of a blue whale but it’s a dark creature so The Dark Whale

[queen pike]

yeah probably. or kevin

[frigid tinsel]

could also be like one skykid hands light over to a spirit or another skykid asking them to craft a cosmetic for them

[queen pike]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[queen pike]

yes

[frigid tinsel]

i just think in universe skykids can share cosmetics with each other. makes sense.

[compact shale]

I mean

IAP gifting

[queen pike]

ooo

[harsh pecan]

If only we could actually borrow cosmetics…

[frigid tinsel]

in my fic, one of my Sky OCs's mentor gifts them a piano

[rapid palm]

me and my friend were discussing wasteland lore, because in my opinion that place is an extremely interesting place. We thought it used to be a massive naval port city that shipped goods throughout the realms and used oil (or the dark water) for power of some sort, but war ravaged the city and burst the pipeline, causing catastrophic pollution, to the point that the only plants that are able to grow there are sparse spiny plants imbued with the dark water's properties.

I see that this topic is discussed a lot lmaooo

[frigid tinsel]

yea, it's more akin to gifting, but the recipient has to gather the light/resources in order for the gifter to make the gift. light/candles have value for what can be made with them.

[boreal nebula]

I delayed this idea for too much but with the power of lazydrawing ,... here is..

The Consequences of The 4th Abyss Quests : ||moths not understanding what is vital to not be touched ||

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[harsh pecan]

No one asked

[zealous ore]

First time I saw manyeyes underwater and he's with the kriLLs! I need a break.

[rancid dirge]

Manyeyes?

[zealous ore]

The coelacanth. First time I saw him was at a safe distance at wasteland.

They call it whale. It's not 😭

[compact shale]

The krills are their footsoldiers

[zealous ore]

Yea it made the krills look like babies.

[pastel brook]

Ktjn clone reporting for duty!

[copper saffron]

Til that the secret area is called the light

[compact shale]

Not necessarily, "The Light" is just the message used when you're not in an area that has a realm category

[copper saffron]

Ah ok

[pastel brook]

[frigid tinsel]

Yea it’s a bit quiet here rn

[compact shale]

In 4 hours and 11 minutes: Will Alasdair Pickle Ceasing Commodore or Not?

[frigid tinsel]

Not in that long cos I’m gonna play the quest with a friend in the late morning.
The quest releases at 3am for me.

[compact shale]

jdsfiadhsdhg

Good luck pickling them tho

They might resurrect their sword

[frigid tinsel]

They have a sword in my ficverse. The adjacent fic I’m writing now will detail how they got it

[tulip aspen]

commodore needs his sword back.........

[frigid tinsel]

Me: i have two current WIPs for Sky I don’t need anymore.
Dear Fellow Traveler: hallo

[native shoal]

I would wait until 2am and play it immediately (reset file in my time zone) but it’s a school night

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[frigid tinsel]

It is that deep, you’re making us go deeper

[harsh pecan]

What did we do to deserve this

[tulip aspen]

id prefer it that currency doesnt canonically exist in skyverse, and that light energy can be used by spirits when they are given it, to create blessings for skykids and the ability to have forms cosmetically similar to the the spirit

[rigid mural]

do you think the waving and applauding bellmakers are partners in chime

[mild marten]

spoilers!11!!!! >:(((( /j

[frigid tinsel]

wow, old lorechat was another type of wilding.
like this, like huh, like wut, not too different from the now.

[rigid mural]

[tulip aspen]

pretty

whoa what

okay yeah its kinda cool seeing back during the megabird age

that cape.....

[compact shale]

You know what they say

History repeats

[harsh pecan]

Lore chat was so different back then…

[compact shale]

What how

[sly kestrel]

Meh, it’s not that different
But back then, most of the discussion was about the diamond theories and the war on wasteland. We went crazy and there were some rlly smart people who made theories that jus seemed impossible to deny

But tbh, yea it’s not too different from now
I see some of the same discussions today

[tulip aspen]

that certainly has a nice ring to it

[compact shale]

Partners in Ayin's Legal Bell Trade Crime

[tulip aspen]

if it's a crime why is it legal
ot wait if it's legal why is it- nevermind

[compact shale]

Cozy is on tinfoil rn

[frigid tinsel]

checked, they got several people are typing...

[outer hare]

Right now cozy is in deep thinking mode...

[compact shale]

it's interesting to watch tinfoil lore cozy as a loreworker

[frigid tinsel]

me wondering why some of these cozy folk don't participate in lorechat more often

[compact shale]

because they find it overwhelming

I've heard that quite a few times

[frigid tinsel]

well they are cozy folk

[compact shale]

i dont get it?

[raw crypt]

different chats have different regulars which is a big thing, i think itd be like talking about lore more casually than more seriously, since I think thats what ppl gather from this chat, and some ppl dont like a serious atmosphere (which is funny bc i am. rarely serious here) so it makes sense to stick to a chat they know

[gilded socket]

Can't blame them
The amount of brain cells you need for this chat is 10 times more than what you sign up for when you play Sky

[stable agate]

True

[frigid tinsel]

imagine having braincells

[raw crypt]

i put on my lil clown shoes before entering chat

[tulip aspen]

i dont, but because of people like me folks assume they have to..

[gilded socket]

So the only thing that I see most people agree on is that some form of war must have taken place
Either civil or against forces of nature
At least regarding wasteland

[outer hare]

Im just afraid i might write something untrue and be called out for it T-T

[frigid tinsel]

idk lorechat gets rather silly sometimes too

[gilded socket]

It's fine
It'd be pretty difficult to write something untrue in an open ended story like this

[compact shale]

Yeah that's basically what cozylore is like

For someone who's partaken in both sides, it's interesting to say the least

@frigid tinsel for sure, if you haven't experienced gay elders yet you should stick around a bit more

[tulip aspen]

which do you prefer more?

[frigid tinsel]

Elders are gay on tumblr

[raw crypt]

love wins

[tulip aspen]

[on tumblr] /j

[frigid tinsel]

i pop into cozy sometimes but tbh it overwhelms me.
wow was not expecting a several people are typing in response.

[tulip aspen]

yeah, it's still just a slower gen chat in the end, and people are way too sensitive

[outer hare]

I might write something slightly different in the lore ( i dont understand it fully) and might get overwhelmed cause ive been called out for it.

[compact shale]

It depends

If I want to talk about fanfic and spirit brainrot, cozylore 100%

If I want to talk about actual theories, ask about something unusual, and get ideas for fanfic then true lorechat :3

[half shadow]

RINGS COMICALLY LARGE BELL

RING A DING DING LORE CHAT, 73 MINUTES REMAIN

[frigid tinsel]

i should really work on my essay

[gilded socket]

The thing is the lore is usually unclear
Also what are you talking about @half shadow ? Is it Abyss quest 5?

[tulip aspen]

mm

at the same time i miss reading your fanfics, and cant really emotionally stand being in cozy when 20% of the chat at any given time of day has blocked me

[raw crypt]

being in this server a bit you do get a feeling that esch chat has its own group of people and energy, like its own mini server, i don’t visit cozy bc im SHY, im only here now bc i broke through the initial shyness HDJDHDHD

AND IK IM PUMPED; i want to sleep but quest 5 wobt let me HJHDDH

[half shadow]

the main reason I haven’t been super active lately is because a friend of mine got me into flight rising so I’ve had that flavor of brainrot lately but I am SO HYPED for number five

[compact shale]

uhhhhh, how did you find my fanfics?

[frigid tinsel]

Fruitzie has fanfics?

[tulip aspen]

I'm glad you feel comfortable enough here

[outer hare]

I actually accidentally started typing in cozy ,i thought i was in genchat hence i became part of the lore discussion going on right now over there.

[tulip aspen]

I've known about them since november

i was an avid enjoyer of your "megabird is an evil god"

[compact shale]

Right, that's a fanfic now...

I have an ao3, you know...

[tulip aspen]

73 minutes until i have to mute this chat

[pastel brook]

[frigid tinsel]

don't mock me, skybot, I have to pull this all-nighter

[tulip aspen]

ope sorry, you're the one who called ita fanfic to me
in the end it'll always still be a headcanon not just a fanfic

[tulip aspen]

lmao im crunching numbers on a calc in between every message im sending

[half shadow]

In 74 minutes I’m going to be surfing on the back of the leviathan

[compact shale]

Uhhhh

yeah that thing kinda devolved

It's a lump of ideas now

fsdfsdfdfnsdf but srsly you really need to check the fanfic promoting channel thing

[frigid tinsel]

i have a 6-8 page essay i knew about all week that I didn't do cos burnout and all I have is one word: "modernism"

[compact shale]

Modernism

(8 pages of Fritijof wondering why everyone is so young)

[tulip aspen]

wheredat

[compact shale]

I just checked the other lore server and turns out Dair might unironically be planning to submit Fritijof's thoughts to school

[frigid tinsel]

just the bit I have written so far here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12H821qKW9f5TdqH1WpVMCchOukZxOf7cAuFL36VjaIM/edit?usp=sharing

[compact shale]

ah

wait that's

6-8 pages long?

[frigid tinsel]

no, that's the essay is for another grad class (text analysis).
I have another assignment for my other grad class (creative writing) that Dear Fellow Traveler fits the parameters

[compact shale]

OH

[tulip aspen]

commodore saying expletives with an accent tho.........

fruity im in trouble help

[frigid tinsel]

I cannot look at the Commodore and not see them speaking with an accent

[compact shale]

What's happening?

[half shadow]

I imagine they all have scandinavian sounding accents

[tulip aspen]

aaaaaa

[rapid arrow]

No idea what we’re talking about but I do really like this!

[compact shale]

Oof I'm falling behind on the accents lololol

Boatswain's the only one who I've established one for so far... :(

[frigid tinsel]

Dear Fellow Traveler is a fic I'm writing that spawned off of this quip I wrote because in my main Skyfic I've never taken a POV of a spirit before and now it's gonna be their whole backstory because i have no self-control.
(whoops that second screenshot is wrong let me fic that)
(Amander is a skykid, protag in my main skyfic)

[half shadow]

oh no I was just mentioning it because their attire is based on Scandinavian viking folk!

oohh man that’s really good Alasdair!!! i love their names!!

[frigid tinsel]

2/2

[half shadow]

this is great!!!

[rapid arrow]

I really like how you write! Inspires me as a writer to maybe clean up my writing style.
Besides the point
This has spawned maybe a dumb question, but how do sky kids age. Cause we don’t know. So maybe like every couple trips to Eden they get older. Or they’re just permanently young

[compact shale]

Mental growth

[frigid tinsel]

personally I don't think skykids have been around long enough to witness them physically aging (hence why it's mentioned that the oldest skykids are 5yo), but their experiences do make them mentally age, for better or for worse

[rapid arrow]

✨trauma✨

[frigid tinsel]

my other protag has Eden trauma™️, which reshaped their whole personality.

I like to think there are skykids who after processing their whole state of affairs are still childish or cling to their child at heart, moreso as a means to cope with their situation.

[tulip aspen]

even with player projection theory, time really does take a toll on the skykid..

[player burnout is canon doc]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VwbusEv9XMN83HwJHO9JmBx5HbvhLTSIHHlIz5bvTDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rapid arrow]

1 the Eden trauma™️ made me silent wheeze
2. Jam that makes sense, and it also makes me want to cry happy tears

[frigid tinsel]

funny you say "rest in the Light forever" because one of the two things that can happen to skykids in my ficverse is fading in Orbit, where if they linger in the waters of Orbit refusing to be reborn, Megabird takes them back into Themself and they turn blue then sink into the waters. a faded skykid can only be pulled out by a friend.
the alternative is a skykid who decides to sleep longterm.

this is my notes on what happened to some of the Original Eight, the first 8 skykids born in my ficverse.
(canonically, Duhuyi has been sleeping for 1.5 years).

[compact shale]

Their body turns blue?

[frigid tinsel]

like in that concept art of a "child ghost." let me find it

here

[compact shale]

oh my

wait if their light is with megabird where does their clayshell go

[frigid tinsel]

that was left behind wherever they died in Eden. they're reborn with a new body

[rapid arrow]

That makes, a lot of sense

[compact shale]

Ah. Okay. ;3

*shaking

[frigid tinsel]

there are a lot of moths who went "nope, not doing that again, take me back."

for example:

[rapid arrow]

Post fade syndrome?

[frigid tinsel]

being part of a hivemind and suddenly not being a part of it can mess you up a little

[tulip aspen]

bru the first sounds like a really sad part of the story y u spoil /hj

is sleeping longterm the parallel to player projection theory's take on when a player goes "im gonna take a break from Sky for [#] months"

[compact shale]

₮ⱧɆ ⱧłVɆ Ø₣ ₥Ɇ₲₳฿łⱤĐ

[frigid tinsel]

lmao for the skid with Eden trauma™️ their mentor is afraid of them fading so they introduce them to Duhuyi.
context: Wanin was Duhuyi's moth

[ocean grove]

Hi, i know this is probably alot to ask, but im new to the lore and i was wondering if anyone has complied all the factual information about the king/prince? Ive heard the name alot and seen some floating info and theories, but if anyone has some compilation or knowledge of the facts id really like to see it. Ty

[frigid tinsel]

"factual" information isn't really a thing in Sky

[ocean grove]

Good to know

[compact shale]

And that's why existential crisis is a normal occurrence in here!

[ocean grove]

Fun!

[frigid tinsel]

the gist of it is based off a lot of concept art that may or may not be canon anymore but here:

so we don't know exactly what the king's role is/was. they're the king so obviously they had responsibility over the whole kingdom. some think they okay'd power diamond production despite the pollution and animal cruelty it required. some think they made that giant diamond in Eden, some think they set it off and created the storm, intentionally or not. some think the king was Chosen One, the (proto) skykid who first completed all four Trials in the Cave of Prophecy, who rose from prince to king. some think the prince and king are separate people.

devs have said that the king is "beyond saving" or "not around to be saved" but have also hinted that they're present in the game, just "not in the way you may think."

some think the king was shattered in the Eden explosion and their scattered remains became skykids (we're the king theory). some think the king or prince is the white featureless kid we hug after dying in Eden. some think the king was utterly obliterated in the Eden explosion, hence being "beyond saving."

[ocean grove]

Oh wow

[rapid arrow]

Don’t some thing the king is the wing light we collect, or is that apart of the “we are the king theory”

[ocean grove]

That is really helpful, ty!

[frigid tinsel]

here is also all the concept art and symbolism associated with (but may not directly represent) the Chosen One/prince/king
(created by Kamilico)

[frigid tinsel]

I've heard one theory along those lines, that the winged light is the prince/king's imprints. but anything goes at this rate.
winged light is perhaps one of the greatest enigmas of Sky.

I lean onto that Chosen One/prince/king are all the same person, was a (proto) skykid, was corrupted by their crown of darkstone, and the Eden explosion obliterated them and resultant corrupted darkstone absorbed their soul, rendering them "beyond saving"

anywayas looks about time I stop procrastinating and exit this channel to avoid spoilers. see you later, lorechat

[ocean grove]

[compact shale]

I'll be signing out in about 6 minutes.

[ocean grove]

Ill be lurking

[tulip aspen]

yea exactly, this is why the clayshell theory just w o r ks, because every time we crash we gain that new shell!

[tulip aspen]

yeeeup, just like real players with the projection theory

moths try and then poof

oh crap reset i am outta here before randoms start posting the friggin pics

[cedar sun]

My HC: Skykids are enby, thank you for coming to my ted talk

[hushed steeple]

Hello

[pine pike]

readd these state into the current sky pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
this is the sky child state i wanttttttttttttt

[sly kestrel]

@frigid tinsel I’m pretty sure the exact wording given was “not around to be saved” rather than “beyond saving”
Both phrases can give 2 different meanings

[harsh pecan]

👏👏👏

[stable olive]

I got it.

[lyric isle]

is anyone going to mention the rebreather or

I mean it makes sense for spirits but

skykids don’t breathe. I’m sure on it.
they respirate in some form but they don’t in a direct way

[stable veldt]

One mentioned rebreather works:
The mask has that little darkstone gem on it. The skids used it for a small light vault instead of air, since we know darkstones keeps light to a certain extent

[formal skiff]

Yep that’s cannon 😎

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I'm of the mindset that elders and sky kids just aren't like humans when it comes to gender. Sure, they may like 'masculine' or 'feminine' as an aesthetic, and even possibly refer to themselves as a boy/girl, but they're definitely not. It's all just another form of self expression for them. It's possible to befriend a sky kid but never see them look the same twice, while Elders have had plenty of time to find the 'style' they like and stick to it. (Or an Elder's sense of time scale is just so slow that to them, they've only been wearing their 'look' for like 5 minutes)

I don't hold this mindset for ancestors though...

[formal skiff]

All the ancestors are referred to with they/them pronouns by the devs so I’m pretty sure they’re all canonically enby /lh

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, that’s true. Also, no spirits in the game are referred to by any pronouns or things that would change their gender (besides the Belonging family, but that’s been discussed too much)

[formal skiff]

||~~gender economy ~~||

[tranquil harbor]

An ancestor's view of gender probably isn't like humanity's either due to cultural differences regardless.
Tbh I was of the mindset that spirits where given blanket they/them pronouns was to allow the fanbase to make their own canon, so I don't give those pronouns much 'canon' stock

Like, is it possible some of them are enby? Yes. Are they all enby canonically? I don't believe that.

[formal skiff]

Fair enough, lore is open to interpretation and there’s nothing stopping you from believing that :)
I just like to believe they’re all enby, but that doesn’t mean you have to

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I was meaning this was one of those things they left vague so we could have different opinions and still enjoy them. I'm not trying to call you wrong, I'm trying to say 'we're all valid and it was on purpose'

[junior night]

[Sorry for intruding vsgdhhd, it's yet another opinion, personally I like to see them as all enby but "with a twist", like, they/them pronouns but with another set of gendered pronouns for some of em]

[tranquil harbor]

Grammatically, all humans have they/them pronouns, even if they have gendered pronouns as well... That take just seems normal

[sharp lichen]

OH NOT THT-

[gilded socket]

So
Ok
That final chapter is something
||Why do I feel like it's implying that krills are made of various sea light creatures?||
||No, those creatures looked like spirits||
Talking about Abyss btw

[violet furnace]

i was gonna talk about the final chapter rn lol

[tranquil harbor]

the leviathan ||wasn't destroyed, it threw up all the creatures it ate||

That plotline with ||cannoneer|| though? -chefs kiss-

[gilded socket]

We had to ||purify a ray||
But this is interesting
I think this might correlate to krills

Maybe krills straight up are unable to ingest light?
Big maybe though

[violet furnace]

i feel like the crackling canoneer is the daughter of the ceasing commodore, because she has the most experience out of all the ship crew, how she bears similarities with him, and how ||commodore so easily forgives her after she ends up passing out underwater||

[tranquil harbor]

the thing is, even tho we ||purified the ray|| the leviathan ||still existed||. I think ||the ray was the one who taught us how to dive, and it got eaten later. We saved it from being corrupted/digested||

I took the ||Commadore's actions as he was just happy cannoneer was okay||

The situation with ||the ray|| lends credence to the theory that the dark plants are ||consuming/feeding off light tho||

[gilded socket]

Let me try to break it down
By the time we arrived at the reef, the area was already relatively empty
This means that the ||leviathan|| at least had to have ||eaten the fish|| before being imprisoned
When ||it threw up||, so many of them were still alive, almost like we were purifying a spirit

[tranquil harbor]

Man, that final quest was hype tho

[gilded socket]

That may be the case
And if so, that means the creatures themselves never ingested the light

They might be merely hosts of a parasite

Also unrelated but I want lv 3 cackling

[violet furnace]

||the leviathan is the big fish that ate us right?||

[tranquil harbor]

yeah, the leviathan is the king krill

[gilded socket]

Should we assume that the leviathan is similar to krills?

[tranquil harbor]

It lacks a spotlight like krills do. And crabs also go black when corrupted. I don't think the Leviathan is a dark dragon, despite us calling it the king krill

[violet furnace]

it reminds me of the story of Yunus (religious) a man who was eaten by a whale but miraculously survived being in there and was able to get out

[tranquil harbor]

But we do have that ancient manta in sanctuary, so it's possible it really is a super krill

[gilded socket]

I don't think it doesn't have a spotlight. Remember before ||encountering the leviathan, there was a brief flash of light that seemed to be moving quickly. That felt like a spotlight.||

[gilded socket]

I don't think that's the right guy but the story goes something like that

[tranquil harbor]

Me: Pinocchio

[violet furnace]

It’s Jonas

[tranquil harbor]

How long do we have the spoiler for final abyss quest?

[violet furnace]

i feel like another 1 or 2 days so everyone gets back on track

[gilded socket]

Sick

[tranquil harbor]

I forget who had the theory about dark plants but they're gonna be hyped I think

[violet furnace]

what was the dark plants theory?

[tranquil harbor]

Something something, they feed on light until there is nothing left to save of the spirit or whatever

[violet furnace]

ironic that ||that’s exactly what happened||

[tranquil harbor]

If the ||leviathan was using them to digest the manta and its other food|| then it's possibly proof toward the theory

[gilded socket]

What was that ||dark landscape anyway? It reminded me of the final scene of Eden.||

[violet furnace]

same

[tranquil harbor]

||We stared death in the face and there was no elder to save us||

tbh I think it really is what spirits/our kids experience as ||dying||. It's the space between ||life and death||

[violet furnace]

i guess it’s because ||both parts involved you losing your light and getting it back. krills are also in eden but other than that i don’t really see a connection||

[tranquil harbor]

We didn't lose our light tho. We still had our cape and our unique look.

[violet furnace]

then what you said is probably closer, i’m not really good at making theories :(

[tranquil harbor]

No, no, what you're saying is helping.

If we really were ||in limbo|| then it's proof that it's not a ||sky kid specific experience|| considering ||cannoneer and the manta were there||

But ||the manta was getting digested|| while ||cannoneer didn't get up at all|| so we were probs the only one ||who was actually possibly going to survive before we saved the manta||. Sky kids are scrappy little things.

[gilded socket]

slaps back of kid's head
This bad boy can fit so much light in it-

[tranquil harbor]

||Cannoneer and Manta/fish: Well I've been eaten. Nothing I can do, I accept my death||
Sky kids: -cackle emote lv4- ||As if you could possibly kill me||

[rigid mural]

I didn't do the quest yet but I saw it in beta. ||cannoneer hold hands 😳||
I wonder why ||they didn't get up tho, were they "dead" (because they're a spirit) or just knocked out|| ?

[nimble ingot]

They were probably very very tired.

[tranquil harbor]

3rd option is: ||they had given up on 'living'||

[rigid mural]

:(

[tranquil harbor]

Not like, they were... the banned S word... but just ||that's what the place can do to you. It makes you give up because it's a transitional space||

But sky kids are strongly resistant to its effects

[sharp lichen]

I need to do the final quest later

[tranquil harbor]

It's so cool dude

[nimble ingot]

Just a hint, dont bother with spells and props. (You will know what I mean when you do the quest.

[tranquil harbor]

Do they get canceled? I didn't even think to try and take my piano out because like, why would I

[nimble ingot]

They are just disabled.

[sharp lichen]

LIKE THE TRIALS

[nimble ingot]

I wasted 2 good spells to learn that lesson

[tranquil harbor]

I hate that the trials disable instruments. Please TGC, let me bust out a concert in the trial of fire

[tranquil harbor]

What spells did you even bother to use?

[nimble ingot]

lol one moment you are playing a song, the next you get
Drowned
Fall into the void
Blown away
Attacked by dark dust bunnies

[tranquil harbor]

Being able to play a song would make trial of fire more bearable. I'm plenty brave about it, the worms just test my patience so a song could calm me down

[nimble ingot]

light spells

[nimble ingot]

pacman theme in fire would be hilarioius.

[tranquil harbor]

It really is just sky pacman isn't it lol

[silk hinge]

hi guys ||where did canoneer get that diamond? was it all the way on the bottom?||

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible it was just in one of the places ||cannoneer searched|| considering there were ||apparently a lot of resources that they all found in the cutscenes that we couldn't get to||

[silk hinge]

||i thought it was weird that they actually got a diamond after all that, but ur right loll ty!||

[tranquil harbor]

'The computer is a cheating hecker'

[boreal nebula]

Last Abyss Quest was TERRIFIC !

[tranquil harbor]

So if ||the menta was covered in stars|| does that mean it was turning into ||a vault manta|| or are two different things happening.

[boreal nebula]

Last Abyss Quest was TERRIFIC !

[boreal nebula]

I think it was covered in dark dust, but shined with a good reflection

After ell mante was almost invisible

[tranquil harbor]

Interesting. When you first ||find cannoneer they don't help you swim. They're passed out, and they don't help in the mega krill's stomach|| but once ||you're free, they start moving their arms like we do. They're awake||

It's easier to notice these things when I don't have a breath bar breathing down my neck

[boreal nebula]

Didn't even realize it was a manta till plant was burnt enough

[tranquil harbor]

We had to ||save our buddy||

[boreal nebula]

Only plant and manta don't have any reflection on the floor so I guess those are metaphorical / metaphysical (or maybe just hard to generate a reflection on phone rendering processor)

[tranquil harbor]

Or it's different because they're not 'people'.

[boreal nebula]

Ancestors heve a measure system with base 7

[tranquil harbor]

Is that a human measure system or unique?

[boreal nebula]

Hmmm I think props get a reflection in Pity Room or Eden Dark Room ... but I need to verify that ..

Still I think that is the same manta soul We summoned at the start of Season

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, our clothes also get a reflection. It's a difference between 'an animal/plant' and 'thing that belongs/is apart of us'. Props count as us because they're ours, if that makes sense

[boreal nebula]

Humans count with base 10 or 20 (some tribes use all fingers 🙌 👣 )

There are 7 notes, but octave is the measure (8 notes, DO RE MI FA SOL LA SI DŌ)

[tranquil harbor]

There is a lot of sound connection in this game. Even just our honks

[tranquil harbor]

Is it possible to see cannoneer's face?

[vivid mango]

I'm taking this to lore chat cause Gen is insane rn

So, for food in Sky, we've come up with a list of possible foods that the ancestors/elders would've had:
Seafood
Crab
Bread (possibly rice ball?)
Possible wheat
Possible fruit (orange hat gives evidence)
Possible milk

[boreal nebula]

I don't think so

[tranquil harbor]

If 'bread (possibly rice ball)' is talking about what granny feeds us, some people think it's actually mochi (which is still a rice thing)
Another possibility is eggs. Weather they had chickens or not, they got birds

[boreal nebula]

Vegetables (after all there is a forum field in Forgotten Ask

[vivid mango]

That's what we thought was wheat, could also be vegetables. And could definitely see that ball being mochi, though that's some massive mochi

[tranquil harbor]

we pop them for wax, might be a dumpling/filled bun of some sort (that isn't necessarily filled with wax, might just be a game mechanic thing. Depends)

[boreal nebula]

I dont think wheat as a good survival supply, cause it take too long to ripe into an edible fruit, vegetables could be a better hypothesis

[tranquil harbor]

Assuming they don't have 'special fantasy crop that behaves like wheat' or 'magicTM that makes crops grow faster' considering the forgotten ark is full of people who know magic.

the prairie being the area where the farmers worked probably means they grew crops of some sort tho

[vivid mango]

There's a couple instances where something is grown rapidly (the only one I can think of at this moment is in the Little Prince area), but the farmer was also depicted watering the field, so a possibility that it's vegetables since they grow faster

[tranquil harbor]

I've seen trees grow fast in the vault, but those seem like projections. There are other plants that look like them, but given the vault's nature those specific trees might be fake.

[boreal nebula]

How do we call this ? Flat fish? Sunfish (googled its name, also named Mola Mola ) ?

[tranquil harbor]

yeah, those are def sun fish

[vivid mango]

Definitely seems like a sunfish

[boreal nebula]

But it is not clear where is it's bottom and if it is a vertical fish 0r an horizontal one like mantas

[vivid mango]

Hm true, I'd have to see how it swims

[tranquil harbor]

well it's not a baby manta, because we have those

[vivid mango]

Looks like a beta manta maybe

[tranquil harbor]

like they reused it for a new animal?

[vivid mango]

Could've been a placeholder for something

[soft timber]

pops in here I feel like even if the trees in vault are fake, it gives some clues to how big some of the other tree-based foods can grow to, like oranges, apples, and even cherries

[tranquil harbor]

You better explain bro!

[vivid mango]

Oranges are depicted, but they're tiny lil ones that're used as a hat

[tranquil harbor]

Lil mandarin oranges. It was a new years hat right?

[vivid mango]

Yeah those. So there is/was some kinda fruit

[boreal nebula]

THose baby "pancakes " mantas are small offsprings of 4 winged one (it has s shaped wings and 1 horn , meanwhile those Mega Mantas have 4 when full grown)

[boreal nebula]

Maybe sunfish could be a better name, to tell them apart

[soft timber]

The trees in Vault grow to a large size, although they may be illusions they are based off of real trees seen around sky so they have some truth to that. Theoretically speaking, there may be fruit trees that may grow to that large size for harvesting

[tranquil harbor]

If the orange hat was for lunar new year, does that mean spirits celebrate that, or is it just an example of 'sky events used to be based on human ones but now we're moving away from that' kind of thing

[vivid mango]

They definitely seem reminiscent of the cherry saplings or the trees in Forest

[tranquil harbor]

Our trees also get that big but our fruits don't grow like, huge. I'd say their fruits are the same size as ours. Unless you mean something else

[boreal nebula]

Oranges could also be a bit less canon, cause it's an IRL Event, but sure, feel free to consider it lorewise. It is nice to have trees not empty (even leaves are sporadic in sky)

[vivid mango]

I was thinking of them possibly being some sorta mythical thing, as dragons are and bulls may be, since we have the bull mask

[tranquil harbor]

to be fair, the 'cloud trees' were gonna have leaves until technical issues said no. Now they're really trees with clouds for leaves, but our lack of crops could just be technical issues

[soft timber]

About the fruit I would think they would roughly be the same size as IRL

[tranquil harbor]

I want a season in prairie that explores crops. I want to let my child run around in a field of wheat.

[sharp lichen]

IS THAT THE UPGRADE MANTA??

[soft timber]

That is one, and I find the cloud tree pretty cool!

[vivid mango]

Farming season when

[tranquil harbor]

Cloud trees rock. I love fantasy flora and fauna. I just also want to feed my child an eggplant

[soft timber]

Farming season please devs

[vivid mango]

Oh wait there's pumpkins too, just remembered

[sharp lichen]

The only season I want is a season that gives a backstory to Shopkeeper. I NEED an Isle/Home season that focuses around the Shopkeeper. GIVE US SHOPKEEPER LORE

[tranquil harbor]

I wanna know what kind of food the ancestors ate. Like, food is such a big deal, culturally.

[vivid mango]

Same, that's what I'm tryin' to riddle out

[soft timber]

Ngl I find cloud trees pretty amazing, like I never seen trees in fantasy where the leaves are the clouds, only where normal trees have the clouds as their ground

[vivid mango]

The definites so far are:
Seafood (the scavengers are seen catching some with nets)
Crabs (that spirit in GW who's roasting crabs)
Bread/mochi (grandma)

[tranquil harbor]

If they have 'human' vegetables and plants, it's possible the valley had warm, hearty food. Crops like potatoes, for example. Flowers are unlikely.

Somewhere like the forest is likely to have lots of mushrooms, and meat from game animals (the hunter helps)

I'm willing to bet they had poultry, because there are so many birds. Dairy in the form of eggs by proxy.

[boreal nebula]

I think it is its soul ! Even seems incorporeal (no reflections)

[tranquil harbor]

I think the upgrade manta is the guardian of the reef or something.

[vivid mango]

They seemed to mainly use light animals as batteries instead of food, though, though granted birds don't seem to be used in such a way

[boreal nebula]

But I wished to See a turtle too (at least eel returned in game)

[vivid mango]

< <

[tranquil harbor]

Are birds light animals? I thought they were more like doves, while mantas and butterflies were light creatures. They used manta for transport, so while it's unlikely manta were eaten because of that use-

Sometimes I wish I could talk about beta because bro I know some things that would definitely contribute to this discussion

[soft timber]

Love how we collectively agree that the light animals are, at minimum, batteries

[vapid hearth]

Lmaoooooooo

[vivid mango]

The birds can charge your light, plus they go to Mega Bird at the end, so I assume so

And agreeee, beta's got stuff that's hrmmmm

[tranquil harbor]

It's hard to argue against it. Mantas are flying horses though for sure. We also don't know if, in using the animals like manta as batteries, it was abusive. For all we know the mantas were killed humanly as 'livestock', which isn't inherently evil

[boreal nebula]

So. .. Beside Sunfish there are Trianglefish and Knifefish (both seems inspired by IRL Flounders and Salmons )

[vivid mango]

They don't seem to have much issue with skewering passive crabs so wouldn't put it past them

[tranquil harbor]

Passive my foot, crabs are mean.
Also, we skewer fish to cook them over fire. Sometimes things have to die so other things can keep living, that doesn't mean we're cruel about it

[boreal nebula]

I think birds are light creatures, they can recharge us

[vivid mango]

The ones by that bonfire specifically are passive, they don't charge or attack. And agreed, just saying they probably would humanely butcher animals

[tranquil harbor]

I thought the only passive crabs were some specific crabs at the sanctuary. (lol, the crabs near the bonfire realize if they're mean we'll eat them)

Are sky kids light creatures? If we count, then 'light creature' doesn't necessarily make something 'inedible/not in that part of the circle of life'

[soft timber]

Yea, and take very good care of the animals in the first place

[tranquil harbor]

Not that sky kids are edible, just that they might eat other creatures as part of their diet (if they eat), which means light creatures are part of the food chain.

[vivid mango]

Lol yeah, they saw the skewered crabs and knew what would happen if they attacked

I don't see it as inedible, more of a morality thing. You wouldn't eat a dog or cat despite it technically being an animal

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, like, mantas are sky horses, and while some people do eat dogs/cats/horses, in a lot of places, it's culturally odd. Is it odd to eat those creatures in ancestor culture?
Some people care for chickens, and then kill and eat them when the eggs run out. Are mantas like that?

Do old mantas get put to rest and then used to 'feed the village' so to speak

[vivid mango]

Seeing as how we haven't seen them eat anything meat related besides seafood, it's a possibility

That's also a possibility, since we only see 2 manta eggs in total

[boreal nebula]

3 weeks old idea

Imagine the consequences of 4th Quest ... moths opening doors ANYWHERE

[tranquil harbor]

the moth has realized the resources are a skeleton key lol (I wonder what the abyss spirits actually use them for. To power tech?)

[vivid mango]

Resh getting bodied by Big Boi Krill

[vivid mango]

Definitely power tech, since there's a massive one in Vault that's used for the elevator

[tranquil harbor]

What tech would they need tho? Does their boat run on power? They use nets for fish. Maybe some other tech that helps them live in the harsh environment?

[vivid mango]

It may power oars, since most boats seem automated to row on their own, like the boat to Ark

[tranquil harbor]

||Cannoneer got eaten by the mega krill|| just because they're too lazy to row themselves lol
(No, but rowing that boat is impractical)

[opal sapphire]

does anyone know what the little drawings on the wall mean in the cave of the new season entrance? i get the jist but idk if there’s a bigger story 🙂

[vivid mango]

Looks like a warning of Big Boi

[opal sapphire]

ooo true true

[tranquil harbor]

The mega krill attacking the boat? It's possible it's the tale of what happened to the abyss crew. But the thing was also trapped until we freed it, so it might just be a warning that it existed in the area (also the abyss crew's boat doesn't look like it got destroyed by a mega krill)

[vivid mango]

What we see with the spirits could also be a retelling of what happened. One of them may have let it out on accident

[opal sapphire]

that’s a good point,, i honestly feel bad for the poor guy being trapped down there for so long

[vivid mango]

That's greed for ye, the spirits before the scavengers locked him up down there so they could get crystals

[tulip aspen]

well, all creatures and plantlife we see in game glows in the dark, visibly, emanating bioluminescence

from the grass and dandelion puffs below to the birds above, so i always assume all creatures living in the world are made of Light

also, could you dm me some beta ideas you've had, that sounds cool

[tranquil harbor]

I don't, that hecker ||ate me||.

Considering the resources are down below, and we seem to actively participate in the crew's story, it might be happening live, rather than a memory. These kinds of stories are very ambiguous if we're dealing with spirits or if we're taking the place of the abyss guide in their memories.

[vivid mango]

Definitely going with the idea of us filling in for the abyss guide, since the guide herself never leaves the boat, we just see her in memories

[tranquil harbor]

It was also described as 'the crew doesn't trust us yet, but the abyss guide is kind enough to help us get 'in' with the crew' tho, so it's possible they're spirits and the abyss guide is merely giving you her work so you can prove yourself. (This game lore being able to go 20 ways is both fun and frustraiting)

[vivid mango]

Hard agree with the lore being wibbly, I just want to see the story of Resh besides that one spirit memory, gosh dang it

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I want more characterization/scenes of the elders and stuff. They're the most 'concrete' characters this game has. It's fine to leave stuff ambiguous to an extent but like, I want to learn about them

[safe sphinx]

hey what are the statues in eden? who are they? what happened to them?

[vivid mango]

Season of Elders when

[wanton marlin]

Do u guys think its possible to be able to restore the old Isle of dawn

[vivid mango]

The ones in GW are Resh, while the ones in Eden look like some sorta scholars. Unless you're referring to the kids then it's just other kids

[safe sphinx]

resh? wait there are frozen statues in wasteland??

[vivid mango]

Nah I'm referring to the giant statues. Didn't know you were referring to kids

[tranquil harbor]

tbh special seasons for the elders/areas would be great. A season to learn about the prairie elder would be perfect for a farming season too

[safe sphinx]

oh i forgot to clarify, i meant the statues you have to give wl to to save

[tranquil harbor]

The frozen statues that look like cringing people are other sky children. Like you, they came and lost all their winged light. Either you end up just like them and someone else saves you, or you have the will power to pull yourself back up while they don't. They need help.

[safe sphinx]

so i have the power to go to orbit but they don't?

[tranquil harbor]

They go to orbit after you help them. Essentially they lost all their light and got stuck/gave up hope. Which might have happened to you too, and that golden child in the darkness is a winged light someone else gave to you.

[vivid mango]

They're running out of room to put new areas, so they gotta go back to the original areas eventually

[tranquil harbor]

Freaking beta knowledge restriction again

[vivid mango]

Yeaaaaap. I have beta ping turned on so 👀

[tranquil harbor]

It's so frustrating. I don't wanna spoil anyone but also like, it's relevant to the convo in tiny ways and I just want to scream

[safe sphinx]

just put a door in a wall 🤷‍♀️

[vivid mango]

I wish I could play beta but I'm a switch player 😭

[nocturne ibex]

damn how much new lore has the king krill brought

[vivid mango]

We were talking bout possible food in Sky for awhile so lol

[tranquil harbor]

You-

[nocturne ibex]

food is good but isn’t food light

[lyric isle]

hello lore people how are you

[tranquil harbor]

It was more about what the ancestors ate when they were 'alive'. Though 'light' clearly works in a more fantasy way since this is a fantasy game, so food being light is irrelevant

[vivid mango]

Nah, there's seafood, bread and crabs so far

[tranquil harbor]

there is also the possibility of fruit (orange hat), vegetables (pumpkin hat/prop. Forgotten Ark field), Mushrooms (forgotten Ark), Eggs (we have birds) and game meat (hunter in forest, again birds implies poultry)

[native shoal]

Honestly the bread looks more like dough orbs to me

[nocturne ibex]

wow i love sky lore

[harsh plover]

Do we still have server problems ?

[vivid mango]

We theorized it could be mochi

[tranquil harbor]

There is a theory it's mochi (or a filled bun/dumpling of some sort) which implies rice

[vivid mango]

Gen chat is flooded with it

[soft timber]

There is even implied drinks via stuff like oat milk

[tranquil harbor]

We know the Prairie had farmers, so 'they do have large crop fields and we just don't get to explore them' is possible

[native shoal]

Maybe it’s just that red bean paste dumpling thing? I’ve heard that it’s good, and it would explain why every time it’s made skykids swarm it

[nocturne ibex]

also forgotten ark has farmers

[soft timber]

Maybe oat milk isn't a thing

[native shoal]

Maybe it’s a literal light dumpling, it’s dough on the outside and light on the inside

[tranquil harbor]

We have tea via the days of bloom tea set
There are a few other things that are relevant but currently beta restricted

[vivid mango]

Imagine biting into a dumpling and getting blinded

[soft timber]

Oh sweet!

[tranquil harbor]

Light might just be another food ingredient. Again, this is a fantasy setting. 'Light' doesn't work 1 for 1 ratio to how it works irl.
It's also debatable if they even have wax inside, or if it's simply a gameplay and lore separation (or if our sky kids eat at all)

[native shoal]

Well Granny is making them for sky kids and she’s using a fire, other fires slowly produce light you can collect, so she just kinda wraps the light in dough and fries it. Tastes like fire, the skykids love it

[harsh plover]

I mean in the game in Sky…

[vivid mango]

Again, Gen chat is flooded with it

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, but how much of that is legit, and how much of what we see is just 'these are the limitations of the technology/our team, so u don't get to see it'. we don't even see granny put the food on the table. It poofs there

[native shoal]

Fair, I do like the idea of light dumplings though

[tranquil harbor]

I think light is an ingredient. It's just not the same as a flame/flash in the way irl light is

[native shoal]

Light as a soup

[tranquil harbor]

I think food is infused with it, like how the mantas are made of light but they're solid

[native shoal]

Maybe it’s like yeast in baking, it makes stuff rise and warm up

When you bake it the light is trapped in tiny bubbles in the bread (or large bubbles if you messed it up)

[tranquil harbor]

But what would its purpose be in anything besides bread? It might be a taste, or a vitamin

[native shoal]

I didn’t think it through that far lol, I imagine light doesn’t hurt the ancestors so maybe it’s like caffeine or sugar, gives them a little boost

[tranquil harbor]

Oh we're still talking about ancestors? I thought we'd moved on to sky kids

[native shoal]

I’m talking about actually eating the bread and I don’t think skykids have mouths?

[silk hinge]

doesnt skyids absorb?

[native shoal]

Can’t say for sure about the ancestors either but I think that’s a technical limitation, I’m talking about actually consuming the bread

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids not having mouths may also be a technical limitation. We don't know if they can't actually eat

[native shoal]

When you collect light it goes to the glowy thing on the sky kid’s chest

[silk hinge]

this reminds me of the photosynthesis theory thing

[tranquil harbor]

they might not be eating that light (they're probably not)

[maiden fog]

I feel ya my friend.

[tranquil harbor]

Tbh 'can sky kids eat at all' is not a theory I like discussing because it's actually one that can make me angry despite myself, so I gotta back out if we go down that road
I feel too strongly about it that stubbornness kicks in even though I know better

[native shoal]

We’ll just leave that one to personal beliefs then

[soft timber]

For me, it just really depends if I'm paying attention to the game, but I would like to think they can eat, but don't necessarily do it

[tranquil harbor]

Like, I'm sorry, I know nothing is canon in that area, it's just- -vague hand wave- Can't do it

[soft timber]

That's ok! Though I don't understand a vague hand wave......

[tranquil harbor]

It means I don't have the words so I'm making weird gestures with my hands/arms

[native shoal]

Ok back to sky food. Out of no evidence I think they would have rice and beans because rice and beans are nice

[soft timber]

Thank you for explaining it to me!

[maiden fog]

Rice is a wetland plant so it would grow best in wssteland, however the forgotten arc area where the farmer is dosent really have the correct environment.

[tranquil harbor]

Considering Mochi was mentioned as a thing that would be the sky kids' favorite dishes (it was, specifically 'Sweets made from light... Maybe Mochi?') I'm inclined to believe rice was a crop the ancestors had.

we think the ark farmer was trying to grow vegetables in general. Rice and wheat would take too long

[soft timber]

I do think that certain realms would provide realm-exclusive foods and then there are crops that are generally produces by multiple realms

[maiden fog]

Agreed, their environemnts are so contrasting with different levels of light availability and amount/type of plant life.

[tranquil harbor]

I feel strongly about the valley of triumph growing stuff like potatoes but lacking flowers

[maiden fog]

In the winter in Canada here, I know sone farmers plant stuff in late fall and harvest it in the spring after the snow melts. So I can say,some plants do need that winter snow.

[vivid mango]

Valley seems to be in perpetual winter, however. Ice skating seems to be a massive thing for them

[tranquil harbor]

the Valley's perpetual winter means they need hardy crops (which potatoes are known to be). Flowers have a hard time growing in snow tho

[native shoal]

I think valley would have fruit trees

[lusty merlin]

Sorry to budge in, I really like the idea of what crops grow in what realms.

Is it cool if I share my take on the latest abyss quest when I’m done writing it? Just don’t want to interrupt this convo with a giant wall of text

[maiden fog]

But thats the thing, some plants when they are seeds need to spend a season in the winter in order to germinate when they are ready or else they won't grow.

[vivid mango]

Absolutely, I love lil theories about the different cultures

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I know. I just also only know potatoes as an example of a hardy crop. I agree with you

[soft timber]

Please do it!

[vivid mango]

I think any tuber(?) would work. Potatoes and stuff like turnips or radishes

[native shoal]

Maybe in valley they use light so the plants can grow? So all of the food from there has a bit of light in it

[tranquil harbor]

what kind of fruit?
I've read a theory where Valley's harsh environment would mean they needed to use the light tech to be prosperous

[native shoal]

I’m not that familiar with fruit trees, but maybe they had greenhouses?

[maiden fog]

I agree potatoes are a hardy crop, but with it being permanently winter, and potatoes being a root vegetable that primarily grows underground. Where would the frost line be. A certain amount of soil becomes frozen in order to support/ not melt the snow and ice. I imagjne it can be pretty deep in valley do to it always being winter.

[boreal nebula]

I think there are 2 interpretations for todays quest

||EITHER Cannoneer already risked their life in the past and was saved by the Quest Giver (but we reenacted that role, maybe because QG had forgotten the breathing mask all along or maybe she somehow is shocked and we help QG to recall what she has passed when she wasn't yet accepted in the crew [thus helped us to get accepted because she knows what it feels like)

• BUT this wouldn't explain why only we were able to open and free the King Krill (if it was already freed before) from inside the Lighthouse/Tower

OR all the crewmates are so "free-spirit" that they are not bound by normal death experience (like regular dead Ancestors who simply wait in 1 point) so they kept going on doing their thing, scavenging and searching for loots & Resources.
So the events of the quest are all in the Present. And this would explain why these Quests are not Replicable / Relivable . Because like in Sanctuary & Enchantment we act in the present to restore what it once was.

• BUT that would mean that Seasons like Flight and Assembly happened in the Past and we only restored the memories of Lone Scout & Flight Guide with a solid result in the Present. With this in mind even Season of The Little Prince only happened once in the Present and cannot be repeated/relived||

If Devs will retcon and allow us to relive all quests (not just their Complete Cutscenes) this stream of thoughts could be for nothing

[vivid mango]

Also can we address the fact that the Village has architecture that's violently different from anywhere else in the realms? Most live in carved out trees or stone, but everywhere in valley and village has actual buildings

[silk hinge]

i just imagined plants sprout out when u use light like in minecraf 🤧

[maiden fog]

I believe in Saskatchewan building permits for decks reqiure you to have the support beams/poles that go into the ground at a depth of like 10m underground in order to combat the frost line in the winter.

[boreal nebula]

Valley is all about buildings, but since they are not from uptown they needed to express their creativity with a different style in mind

[tranquil harbor]

I like how at first we were all like 'let's spoiler the quest so people have time' and then Tebkanlo just went 'nope' (that's genuine btw, it's amusing)

[boreal nebula]

OOPS. sorry... 😅

But it is implied there are Spoilers in #lore-discussion-spoilers name

ANYWAY-- fixing it soon

[maiden fog]

That dosent include potential permafrost areas, which are an entirely different matter.

[tranquil harbor]

You don't have to, we were just being 'extra polite' if that makes sense. I did actually agree that 'hey it's your fault if you get spoiled when you're in a spoiler place'

[native shoal]

I think the greenhouses idea would work well, maybe they use dark stones for that

[maiden fog]

Know of any potential building it could be. Im curious.

[tranquil harbor]

Valley has this feel of, rather than working in tandem with nature, they had to actively tame it. Which, given the snow and implied harshness of environment snow brings, they'd have to tame it more than the average realm

[maiden fog]

True. Could explain the different style of buildings. Harsh environments like that have to adapt.

[native shoal]

I’m not overly familiar with the actual valley lol, I imagine it’s not in a playable area

[tranquil harbor]

We're talking about the Valley of Triumph/Village of Dreams areas

[native shoal]

I know, I’m not that familiar with all of the buildings

Maybe it’s underground?

[tranquil harbor]

What's underground?

[rapid arrow]

Well I don’t think the village of dreams in underground, we can clearly see the stadium from the village

[native shoal]

I mean like in general, the way to farm in the entire valley

[lusty merlin]

Biiig text wall incoming about my theory and take on the last abyss quest

[tranquil harbor]

they'd have to dig out a lot for that

[native shoal]

I think the above ground greenhouses would be better, less work to heat up something if it has sunlight

[lusty merlin]

Sooo that new sky quest

Heres my take away of it after thinking abt it

The manta we saved was 100% the one that gave us the ability to dive (maybe a ghost version of itself), ofcorse it’s different from regular mantas for how it was stuck in a statue and summoning thousands of fish to get us out of king krill. Maybe it’s like a special kind of manta? Like a respected mythical creature, (since mantas are a usual creature seen in sky world their not uncommon)

Now into the pure theory/speculation zone on why this might’ve happened
Kingkrill was present in the first few murals in the cave when u enter treasure cove, and it could 100% be a bother/fear for treasure reef, considering it was a diamond production factory and maybe also a light farming one too. (the trapped mantas, and the mural near the giant door shows spirits making power diamonds)
my guess is that the spirits there, against their will or not realized they could lure king krill into a contained area, and what is shiny and bright? That manta problem is for how i mentioned that manta being somewhat of a mythical creature, when the manta was taken as bait I feel like almost all sea life went down with it. (And this justifies the alarm system when we reales king krill, to say like oh god king krill is escaped oh god). Maybe the manga’s death is like when a god is angered and controls the weather with merciless storms or somthing, probably flooding the reef and forcing everyone to evacuate, (would explain it). And I feel like the manta slowly gained back strength and when it saw us skykids, had a little bit of hope that we could save them and restore the reef to its former glory

Whew that’s my take, sorry if this is hard to read or I made some spelling errors, I have class in half an hour so I kinda rushed this

[sharp lichen]

I’ll need to check on the quest to see it in person, then I can make my own take!

[rapid arrow]

And we can also see Eden very clearly, besides from the wind paths and starlight desert it is one on the area we’re Eden is present and there and you can see the impending doom

[tranquil harbor]

I personally like the idea that the manta who taught us to dive is a guardian of the reef type creature.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah please do so much happened and it would be fun to dissect it and give our own takes

[rapid arrow]

My first thought wa that king krill would be turned into a creature of light

[lusty merlin]

I do too, I find it odd because this one is shiny blue and legit gave skykids a new ability

[tranquil harbor]

Like, just in general, the manta, because we have to summon it, gives me that vibe. And since it has the power to mess with king krill, it seems more special than normal mantas.

[lusty merlin]

Definitely, Demi god or not or just a more special kind of manta, the escape for when they helped us escape king krill is somthing i don’t think a regular manta can do

[tranquil harbor]

Diving manta is the elder of treasure reef theory let's go

I think the manta is a protective spirit that has been around for a very long time, alive or not

Vela!!! ❤️

[rapid arrow]

And also king krills stomach looks a lot like the void in Eden. Hence why I thought I would have to do orbit. The manta mirroring the kid we hug at the end

[rigid mural]

hi lore chat, i'd like to point out the symbol for props (whats on your back) in the dressing room looks a lot like the symbols the ancestors are carrying on the isle wall mural, the one on the first dock we see

[lusty merlin]

Ooh another thing, the only “reef ” of treasure reef is very small, everywhere else is just sand and stuff. I feel like if we go along with the diving manta being the elder/protector of the reef is that it’s just now regaining its strength, maybe when it was used as bait the entire reef ecosystem died and only NOW it’s coming back

[tranquil harbor]

I theorized earlier that the void is actually a space between life and death. Because it's a transitional space, it makes u 'give up on life'. It's why the manta was being digested and cannoneer wouldn't get up. Our sky kids, being the hardy little things they are, can avoid/resist the call of death the void is meant to transition you to

[rapid arrow]

Out skykids are so very traumatized.

[rigid mural]

maybe krills are amalgamations of dead correpted light creatures, and that manta was like a keystone hence why it could teach us how to swim from beyond the grave & freeing it freed the fish

[maiden fog]

Imagine this is a moths first season and then they do this final quest....I feel so bad for them.

[soft timber]

Void: trying to get everybody
Skids: Nah, I'm not dealing with you after all I went through

[tranquil harbor]

Was it you or Salem who had the 'dark plants devour light until nothing is left' theory because, this quest is very validating I think

[rigid mural]

didnt do the quest yet, do we see mantas coming out of the krill king ? if not, maybe all the fish are what light creatures leave behind (smaller light creatures) when they perish but they got some light left

@tranquil harbor i can tell you it wasnt me

[rapid arrow]

Speaking on this, when the little cutscene hit my sky kid look so done seeing the void again it was so funny

[maiden fog]

Did you take a photo???

[tranquil harbor]

We actually do die in eden too! It's our transition to orbit to be reborn! This is the one time our kid is like 'nah bro'

[lusty merlin]

“Aw crud, here we go again”😐

[rapid arrow]

I did! Here it is.

[soft timber]

We need to be reborn just to relive dying

[rapid arrow]

Who knew unblinking eyes could convay a whole range of done

[maiden fog]

I did not, until now

Im just wondering abut the first krill we meet in wasteland. He consumed a manta does that mean we could save said manta???

[tranquil harbor]

That manta wasn't a special manta I don't think. also, the krill's mouths are too small to eat us whole like the king krill

[lofty void]

oh my god guys i just thought up the best theory.

[maiden fog]

Maybe the manta was never consumed maybe it's essence was consumed and since it essence is light they wouldn't need to have a big mouth so to speak.

[rapid arrow]

Also I hope we might be able to relive these quests. Partly because I forgot to record, partly because I want to hold cackling Cannoneers hand again

[native shoal]

Do tell

[tranquil harbor]

The cannoneer plot point was so goooooooood

[rapid arrow]

Inside every sky kid. There is a manta and a crab what will you choose

[tranquil harbor]

Mine doesn't have to they're in her tummy

[formal skiff]

[maiden fog]

I mean if krill consume the light and not the actual manta, then that kinda makes sense. Cause if we have that clay shell then they cant access that light directly, but when they ram into us it causes cracks in our shell that allows that light to escape.

[tranquil harbor]

I love how without a single word of dialogue, they got my invested in showing up Cannoneer as my rival, and then really happy about saving her

[lusty merlin]

Hhh just dumping this here I feel like cackling cannoneer was feeling jealous that our skykid was giving much praise for the shards, since in the past the crew always praised them for getting the most up until the 4th quest. I feel like cannoneer tracked down, going as far as the maybe drown in a attempt to find a shard worthy enough of beating us and deserving of praise, even if it kills them.

Even when they present the shard to Ceasing with it their usual upbeat demenor is replaced with a almost hesitant one, like. “I found this, i know it’s not as good as the kids but I hope your proud of it.”
And ceasing just tells them it’s okay and just hugs them cuz their glad cannoneer is safe 😭
And cannoneer definitely respected us after we saved them, even saluting with the others as they finailly acended
(Sorey i just love cannoneer to much in the quest)

[rapid arrow]

EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS.

Cackling Cannoneer when I first saw them, they were my favourite, that still stands and will forever stand

[lofty void]

It’s about seasons!
So heres my idea:
Seasonal quests are relive quests in a way. They’re memories in a sense.
What I think is that seasonal quests are basically you, the player, changing the future. Consider how you can’t relive spirits when you’re doing a quest.
The spirits are stuck in a time loop in a way. It’s a bit difficult to put into words but it’s possible that, by doing seasonal quests and changing the flow of history, we’re letting the spirits ascend fully.

[tranquil harbor]

They got the best emote of the season. Lv 4 cackle or nothing.

[lofty void]

Also agreed. Canoneer is the best spirit of abyss by far.

[lusty merlin]

Yess I was in love with them ever since I saw their emote and memory, but yeah after mulling over why cannoneer did what they did now I’m just sad

I think in a Q&A about abyss the devs confirmed they were survivors or wasteland (whatever that means) I feel like cannoneer coped by trying their hardest to be the best, praise makes them feel good, maybe even a hero for helping the crew our when they were probably helpless in whatever happened in wasteland
(I gotta stop adding character depth to random spirits with no evidence but hhh yeah)

[tranquil harbor]

I'm in a pickle, because I'm on team 'the abyss spirits are just people you're actively interacting with', but I like to think of the idea that the quests are us reliving their memories because it's interesting.

Except that means Cannoneer was eaten by the Leviathan, and as we see with our manta buddy, that gets u planted, so Cannoneer's spirit not being in the Leviathan from the start, crushes that theory

[lofty void]

Ah, good point!

[tranquil harbor]

I don't even agree with it but I got frustrated I ran into a wall. Whyyyyy

[native shoal]

I’m just waiting for the issue to be fixed so I can do the quest myself lol

[tranquil harbor]

I already science'd it btw, you can't do it with friends

[rigid mural]

how did you burn the plant in the bg btw ? do you somehow manage to do it alone ?

[tranquil harbor]

It's not hard to burn like normal plants

[rigid mural]

ohhhhh i see i see, i might hold off playing that quest since i wanna get the ult first

[tranquil harbor]

The free to play mask is so dang 'spensive. But it's the nice looking one so I want it

[native shoal]

But you just gotta do the quest and then it’s free right? right?

[tranquil harbor]

No, it's like 42 candles

[native shoal]

bruh I have a grand total of one candle

[tranquil harbor]

I think I have like 11? I've only recently been able to maintain a steady supply of 10 candles at a time. I'm perpetually broke

[lofty void]

That’s probably because back in Beta, the server merges were a HUGE problem and it took a lot of tries for you to not server merge into a server where someone else burnt the plant inside the shadow leviathan, making you unable to free the manta and by extention preventing you from completing the quest.
…i’ll delete this if we aren’t allowed to talk about stuff that’s from previous beta builds of Abyss

[native shoal]

[tranquil harbor]

We can talk about things in beta that have already passed. But to say, talk about the future stuff in days of bloom, or future seasonal content, is not allowed.

[fervent sonnet]

Hi fellow sky fans!

[novel halo]

I’m pretty bored(and new to this channel) and I’m looking for some long documents to read anyone have recommendations

[nimble ingot]

There are some pinned messages with links you like to try them.

Otherwise, you can try the search box, by using the #lore-discussion-spoilers and the has:link or has:doc filters.

[hushed steeple]

Oh wait crud its mission day isnt it?

[nimble ingot]

It is. Dont scroll up to avoid spoilers!

[tranquil harbor]

and the servers dive bombed into the garbage :)

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth, my old android managed to run the quest just fine and a few hours afterwards it started to get buggy.
It may not be the quest itself, but rather a similar issue the server ran into before (such as when it was down for maintanance)

[tranquil harbor]

I did the quest at like 3-4 am. I think it's just the amount of people who've come to play it since it's drop day

[rapid arrow]

I played it right when the reset happened so servers being not the best rn isn’t a problem for me

[rigid mural]

kinda hoping the servers will be back up before reset, i am about to finish the season

[tranquil harbor]

We got like 14 hours, it should be fine

[nimble ingot]

That is true, though some players might be asleep half of that time, that or busy with life things.

[rigid mural]

yeah, in 5 hours and a half it's midnight for me, for example.
doesnt mean i dont stay up at ungodly hours but it wouldnt be the first time i have to skip dailies

In any case, the finale of the season looks great. I like to think the manta teaching us how to swim is a ghost and called for us from beyond the grave to save its fishy friends

[formal skiff]

It’s about 12:30 pm for me, so I’m hoping Sky will be up and running again before I have to go to sleep. I am so excited for the quest

[soft timber]

slides here I find it pretty wonderful that moths sometimes follow me even without me lighting them up

[rigid mural]

the bird instinct of staring at people from a perch thinking you're unseen

[formal skiff]

I do that too-

[maiden fog]

I have the same time. Sweet. And yes, I am also hoping to at least log on so I can collect seasonal and regular candles. I mean we are still in the double candle event I think.

[rigid mural]

randos emoting at eachother is funny to watch, i love doing that. i like pretending to be afk in prairie

[tranquil harbor]

that double candle event is why I'm actually going to be able to finish abyss without buying any candles outright. I did the math before the event and I would have been short a single candle

[formal skiff]

YES THIS REMINDS ME the other day there was this baby moth and they were spam honking at another player to light/friend them and the player started spam honking back and IT WAS THE FUNNIEST THING

[maiden fog]

Wow thats amazing. Hopefully you're able to log on.

[tranquil harbor]

already did my dailies. I'm one of the lucky few who got here first

[nimble ingot]

That would be the equivalent of an adult yelling nonsense at a kid, and they took it as a challenge.

[tranquil harbor]

Look, you come near me, you reveal your cosmetics. It's the law

[nimble ingot]

What then happens if a moth tries to befriend and the vet takes off before the white candle is out?

[tranquil harbor]

That is fine. You don't have to accept friends you don't want. But you will reveal your cosmetics

[nimble ingot]

IF they can catch me, I will befriend them instead 🙂

[tranquil harbor]

I'm always too broke to make friends

[sharp lichen]

I’m broke, but I still want to make friends with any moth I can, and most veterans too

[raw crypt]

sometimes when at someplace like geyser ill stick behind the wax a little longer to light ppl bc while a part of it is i wanna see u, im almost always dressed up as one of my sky ocs so im just “look at me” like a kid on halloween

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, part of it is that I want to show off, because I like how my kid looks.
But seriously, if we're gonna spend longer than .00003 seconds together, like geyser or the 8 player puzzle, please light me. I do not like faceless goons

this is a community activity

[nimble ingot]

I wish the unacquainted skykid shows more of their cosmetics.
Some skykid have a certain style that even if the cape does give you a hint of what they are like (e.i a basic cape vs a custom one), it would look more interesting if the unacquainted/unlit skykids shows the darkened cosmetics instead of a bald skykid with the default pants.

Just to prove the point, a skykid with that combination (maskless, bald, default pants and default cape) would be the most accurate to the look. I know TGC is working in a certain look and balance, but that can be a feature worth polishing up in an update.

[tranquil harbor]

It could even be an opt in feature. Like, "do you want to show off your kid by default to people? Do you want to be hidden/others to be hidden unless you light each other?"

I get it's supposed to be this thing to 'meeting' others. A dark kid is a 'stranger' while a lit kid is an 'acquaintance' but it really just seems to have made this culture where not lighting someone up is rude

[nimble ingot]

adding that to the list of making music playing have a toggle for movement (I hate it when my skykid jives while I try to play 3 finger chords). And no, making some instruments immobile is not the best solution.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm so busy just trying not to screw up my notes I don't even notice the kid moving. Which sucks because it's cute how they're so vibrant with each note. Even the drums have the kid jerking about their head/upper body in a fun, funky manner. Like they're so excited to play they can't help but dance.

[tulip aspen]

@hushed steeple

[tranquil harbor]

Tortle?

[tulip aspen]

i actually like that you have to first light people, but a new feature id like them to add... is that once you light someone, they're lit forever

because THEN, in the one in a million chance you ever bump into a random you've lit before, it'll be so cool

think about how cool it would be that you light so many people you actually start seeing people you've lit before on at least a weekly basis

and then from there, when server merges happen, it should automatically always try to merge you specifically with friends and lit strangers

if you're in the same map with a friend, you should server merge with them within the minute on a good day of server retention smh

that way i actually feel like im actively in the same world with my friends always and it's not always just left up to having to rewarp in order to feel like we're playin the same game

[tranquil harbor]

The effort required for that with how many people play this game. But tbh, I would like that idea. It's kind of like a fated meeting.

[nimble ingot]

you mean something like this?
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message
(Sorry, could not help it)

[tulip aspen]

something like what

(what do it meeann)

[nimble ingot]

forgot to add the link.

[tulip aspen]

oof.

[rigid mural]

server outage happened, wrow

[nimble ingot]

oh goodness me, everyone ok?

[lofty void]

yep

[nimble ingot]

welcome back folks

[tranquil harbor]

It's actually amusing that both servers went out. Like obviously it sucks but it's funny

[lean siren]

sky crash

[nimble ingot]

lol yup.

The Sky was Falling. XD

[formal skiff]

Lol

[rigid mural]

moth moment

[tranquil harbor]

The server got spotted by a krill and quit

[formal skiff]

That’s what I do lol
Red light?
*closes app *

[tranquil harbor]

"I do not get paid enough ascended candles for this"

[maiden fog]

So i finally got in before it started having issues again. Unfortunately i didnt do any quests but I did get a revelation. When we first go to the abyss we wander into a cave to see the manta that gave us our new ability their is a mural in that cave that shows the king krill. Is that where he captured that manta??? Or is it foreshadowing???

[tranquil harbor]

That's a boat in the mural

[maiden fog]

I meant the cave......i know there is a boat but was the manta captured in the cave.

[tranquil harbor]

It was probably captured after the cave at some point

If the manta had been captured before we met it, I don't think it would have been available to teach us diving

[rapid arrow]

Maybe it was a projection of help?

[rigid mural]

cannoneer may have broken the servers for all we know

[tranquil harbor]

That's where she got the resource

[rapid arrow]

That’s my boy, I love them so much. They are very close in my heart and I want to hug them

[rigid mural]

broke the 4th wall innit

[orchid jolt]

ok, so home is its own entire realm apparently /j

[nimble ingot]

It is interesting Home is listed, but not Orbit
What? can't a skykid not enjoy the stillness, the watery plane, the stars?

[tranquil harbor]

Where is Prairie

[nimble ingot]

That too!

Are butterflies, caves, clouds and mantas not enough for skykids to hang out in?

[tranquil harbor]

honestly though if you made a friend in orbit then you actually made that friend in eden. You can't get to orbit together unless you die together

[queen pike]

honk

[pastel brook]

HONK

[rapid arrow]

Let’s hang out in the belly of king krill

[nimble ingot]

Wouldn't it be possible for a server merge to let you meet friends?

[tranquil harbor]

No?

Also, isle being described as 'meeting fresh new moths' Mods that's prairie

[queen pike]

oh my god, i summoned them

[sharp lichen]

SHUT THE HONK UP

[tranquil harbor]

I need that stonks meme but with the moth

[nimble ingot]

as you commanded

[queen pike]

i belive it's called "honks"

[tranquil harbor]

There is a better one

[queen pike]

hello @pastel brook

i summon thee

didn't work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tranquil harbor]

I found it

[queen pike]

perfect

[rapid arrow]

I am infact saving that

[tranquil harbor]

I like that Raider's is apparently a chibi tho

[lofty void]

ceased to exist

[tranquil harbor]

New update: Prairie is gone

They added Prairie to the poll lol It got the buff moth emote so clearly it wins

[tranquil cedar]

hi everyone, is there a source or link about the lore from season of prophecy? mainly i want to know about the lore of 'the choosen one' that passed all the test

[sharp lichen]

GET IN FOR A WILD RIDE

[sharp lichen]

There is none, but the lore points to 3 options: The Eden Elder, the Prophecy Guide, and us. There is evidence for all 3, would you like me to share it?

[tranquil cedar]

sure i am glad to have these information 😊

[ocean grove]

Hey, since it doesn't seem like there's and active conversation rn, i was wondering what the "scavengers" are? Ive heard the name a few times and im curious

[tranquil harbor]

Like the Abyss crew? It means they 'scavenge' what they need to survive. It's not a special sky lore thing, it's just a description thing

[ocean grove]

Ohh

[sharp lichen]

Evidence for Eden Elder being the chosen one: The symbol that points to the Chosen One is reminiscent of the one that’s emblematic of the Eden Elder, as shown in the picture. Also, the murals show the Chosen One as a Skykid, which the Eden Elder could be.

[tranquil cedar]

that word feels so familiar to me, I don't know why it reminds me of season of assembly

[tranquil harbor]

because they scavenged what they needed for their tree house

[sharp lichen]

If you look at this, there seems to be a connection between the Chosen One mural on the top and the Prophecy QG and the lanterns on the bottom. This is a theory I believe because it’s the only way the QG can service the story in any way. If the Prophecy QG isn’t the Chosen One, then there’s no role for them in the story:

[tranquil harbor]

He's literally the leader of the prophets dude. They overlook one specific trial and he overlooks things as a whole

[sharp lichen]

Finally, there’s evidence for it being us that are the Chosen Ones. Not only do we actually complete the trial, but the mural representing a Skykid could be us. Also, there is a track called “Fulfillment” that plays when we complete the trials, implying that we fulfilled the Prophecy.

[tulip aspen]

server merges cant happen in orbit ye

there is a bench there tho for some reason, hidden at the top of an invisible spiral staircase

[sharp lichen]

The Prophecy QG is significantly shorter than the Prophets in official art, which leads me to believe that they have a different origin. Also, it would make sense that they would construct the four trials to determine the overseer of the Prophecy Cave.

[nimble ingot]

I see.
The bench might be when you get a new friend on the way to orbit and want to chat

[tranquil cedar]

thanks ❤️ so based on your theory i kinda think something like this :

history always repeat itself (its weird but true)
so, maybe the mural represents no matter past or future, there will be a "choosen one" for that age that can pass all the test and be the greatest one

so for eden elders age, the choosen one becomes leader of all realms, but eventually eden elder 'accidentally' f himself and the whole sky universe

time passes, now is our age (present), and we are the "choosen one" for this age, is just that instead of following eden elder's footstep become the ruler, this time we become the savior of all realms

[ocean grove]

Yeah its useful when you complete eden with someone you don't know

[tulip aspen]

not just that, but it also would tie the story together very well, and it shows the chosen one bringing the *alive kingdom all together under the blessings they gained from the victory against the trials, as well as the chosen one creating the beacon in Eden that can ascend people (which it now does, but violently)

[sharp lichen]

Congrats! I think that lore moths stop being lore moths when they create their first theory, and I’m willing for you to join the lore community

[tulip aspen]

yee basically!

[hushed steeple]

I love it! More interesting than boring basic LA turtle!

[sharp lichen]

The Prophecy QG being the Chosen One would also tie into the season’s story very well. Remember that the mask of the QG looks very similar to that final mural

[tulip aspen]

he was standing further in front of them tho lol it was just a perspective moment

even in game hes still a head shorter than the shortest one tho, someone proved it by moving each of the prophets next to him back when those glitches existed
(i dont think it means much but at least there's ur evidence still, so yes he's shorter but by much)

[hushed steeple]

Oh Baudshaw. In love with mr doggy

[tranquil cedar]

thanks 🤣 maybe i watch too much Dark Soul lore and trying to merge everything in a logical story, lol

i am actually planning to create a world for tabletop RPG (like DnD but different system), and since Sky is the game i am very familiar with ( in terms of realms, map and abit lore), i decide to use Sky world as a base for it

[tulip aspen]

i did a whole concept rush trying to delegate what turtle could look like of it came back with all the locked in visual themes we now have at this point in Sky

[sharp lichen]

Not actually- the QG was standing behind the Prophets, meaning that they’re extremely short

[tulip aspen]

o crap, so he really was that much short yee

hmm idk
he doesnt exactly have the halo in that

im just trying to think about if him being shorter >younger would actually be something they were intentionally thinking about for the narrative, yknow?

[hushed steeple]

Oo I like the one with the yellow head markings. But the stone shell ones look great too.

[tulip aspen]

whenever i tried to put an eye or face on him he looks so derpy s.ld flnlf fl

[sharp lichen]

Maybe this shows the Prophecy Guide before they completed the trials- and then what we see in the game is after they completed the trials

[hushed steeple]

I don’t see the similarity to the glowboy mural victor and mr anubis. I think the two ears and nosey would be more apparent

[tranquil cedar]

speaking about the prophecy QG, so i was wondering are they (QG and the elders of 4 test) kinda like the 'messengers' of the white bird? (the white bird that creates the sky universe, sorry forgot its actual name)

[tulip aspen]

yea, if it was about him exactly

hmm

[hushed steeple]

I still think its princey and that mr anubis was already there when princey came to do the trials. To guide him and stuff.

But the point about anubis being shorter in promo art is cool. I could think it means he has been the prophecy guide for a long enough time to grow or that its yet another case of promo art messing up, Like drunk having a black and white cape :/

[sharp lichen]

I’m thinking that the Prophecy itself was made vague

[sharp lichen]

It’s called Megabird, and we’re not entirely sure. I headcanon it, meaning that I like the idea, but have no way to prove that it’s true

[queen pike]

megabird, aka megan

[nimble ingot]

early concepts are interesting. especially when compared with the final product

[tranquil cedar]

so i just want to tidy up the sequence of the living things that appear in sky universe :

megabird is the very first, and he/she creates the sky universe

then he/she creates the very first residents (all spirits) of the Sky world
To ensure his/her creations know how to live in this world, the megabird creates QG and 4 elders, not just train them to live, but hope with the test to pick the choosen one to be the ruler of the residents
another theory from me is, the QG is the megabird itself, just to oversee its creations and make sure everything goes well

[nimble ingot]

You can consider adding the king to be with the megabird.
There is some scarp of evidence to suggest that.

[tranquil cedar]

i thought the first chosen one/eden elder is the king?

[tranquil harbor]

Keep in mind that the lore is vague and a lot of the things you will hear here are theories. Most of it is completely noncanon

[queen pike]

mmm, an essay post

[half shadow]

hi everybody. i did the fifth quest and i just want to say

inhales

one long, piercing shriek of delight

[nimble ingot]

It could be the prince instead

[tranquil cedar]

@tranquil harbor is ok i just want to make everything seems logic so i can use Sky lore as a base for my TRPG world

[tranquil harbor]

It was hype as hell

[tranquil cedar]

either way, one thing for sure he is the ruler of all realms

[tulip aspen]

also remember that we cant be.... sureeee if the king and prince be the same person or different person

[half shadow]

I couldn’t stop myself from hand flapping like crazy during the ascent part with all the FISH!! MORE DIVERSE SKY LIFEFORMS!! I’M GOING CRAZY!!

The tutorial manta spirit…

[tranquil harbor]

The shift from a rivalry with cannoneer to caring about and trying to save their butt without a single line of dialogue? This game dude

[half shadow]

the way that I love these characters who have no dialogue and communicate simple common emotes.. man I need a minute

[tranquil harbor]

I went from "I'm okay with unleashing a hell beast from the depths if it means knocking this chick down a peg, lol worship me peasant" to "Screw off big fish, you can't have her she's my bro" (I never disliked cannoneer tho. I was indifferent at most)

[half shadow]

literally when the Commodore stepped up to Cannoneer I was like “YOU BETTER HUG THEM!!!” and I was so glad they did

[formal skiff]

SAME

[raw crypt]

COMMODORE IS SUCH A DAD WE LOVE TO SEE IT

[tranquil harbor]

Rough and tumble found family let's go

[half shadow]

I was scrolling back and I think it was you who said that we were possibly playing out the role that the quest giver had before in saving them and I totally agree I think it makes lots of sense except this time we were able to save them due to the Skykid’s ability to regain themselves in the Limbo-dark place we go to.

[tranquil cedar]

so after the choosen one becomes the king/prince of all realms, he assign one elder for each realm, each elder also leads some residents in their own realms

here's what i felt weird, usually technology starts from primitive, then slowly getting better with more research, and this usually presents in one timeline only. Take an example from real life, in 2022 most of us are using smartphones or computers to take down notes and won't see someone still trying to carve words onto a stone to record it (except for some specific purposes, want i meant is you won't see it as normal as daily basis)

but then, in sky universe, the process of the technology from primitive to high tech seems to appear at the same time. It feels like the time being separated into 6 realms

if all elders are being assign to the 6 realms at the same time, why not all 6 realms have the same technology level? instead there is an obvious difference of the technology level for each of them?

i hope i what i explain get the point 😅

[tranquil harbor]

I don't agree with that theory though, because of the manta in its stomach. I don't think the guide or cannoneer would be available if they got dark planted in that thing's stomach

[formal skiff]

[quest spoilers] ||I was like AAAAAH NO MY BELOVED CANNONEER and then I saw them all drowny and NOO HEARTBREAK and then the leviathan came and AAAAH BEAUTIFUL TERRIFYING CREATURE I LOVE YOU and then MANTA I WILL SAVE YOU and then YAAAAY CANNONEER I GOT YOUUUUU and then that FREAKING HUG SCENE I LOST IT and I was about to cry when they all ascended I wasn’t ready to say goodbye ||

[tranquil harbor]

I like the detail of Cannoneer not helping you swim at first. She's passed out. But once you're free, she has woken up and swings her arms and kicks her legs just like a friend you're carrying would. I think you go from dragging her by the back of the cape to holding her hand too

[half shadow]

OH wow I didn’t even notice we were grabbing their cape! I love that little detail

[formal skiff]

I didn’t either!

[tranquil harbor]

we might be grabbing her hand. Tebkanlo posted some vids a little while ago

[nimble ingot]

It looks like their hand, but the cape idea is much more interesting

[half shadow]

they definitely weren’t moving, I feel like their light was drained and I felt so bad seeing them just laying there after even when I tried to recharge them with my cape a few times

I even dramatically emoted next to them for pictures. I was that into it

[tranquil harbor]

her hand is super glitchy. Sometimes her hand glitches into yours and other times it's like you're dragging a dead body

[formal skiff]

I knowwwww it was SO EMOTIONAL
TGC really outdid themselves with this. This is the most emotional I’ve been about Sky the entire time I’ve been playing it. Yes, including Eden. I was close to tears.

[tranquil harbor]

Oh I got super into it in the tummy void. Full emotes and everything. The honks were massive in number. I was too bothered by the breath meter to bother before or after

I kind of get the point of the breath meter but it really stopped me from going all out. I couldn't actually take in cannoneer in the abyss, or take time to see the underwater sights because 'I am going to lose all my air and have to hunt down all my winged lights and they're randomized so that's going to be a hassle'

[half shadow]

cue drama aka skykid asking hey why aren’t you waking up? c’mon we gotta go come help me with the plant

[tranquil harbor]

I wish there was a button to shake her a little. Instead your sky kid basically just ignores her like 'lol she can die here, whatever'. The sky kids don't take a moment to care about cannoneer unless we force them to.