lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

it's common in all manual labor realms

even isle has pots

[tranquil harbor]

I talked about it in this conversation. I'm annoyed because I have to keep repeating myself in the span of two minutes.
I don't have the brain power right now, I'm sleepy

[keen shore]

Oh! The hint is for the object I was talking about, not pots. Sorry for lack of clarification

[frigid tinsel]

Anyways since y’all were taking about the Elders have

[tulip aspen]

it definitely happens to all of us

I'm sorry we missed it

[tranquil harbor]

I'm sorry I'm getting snippy, I'm just kinda dead mentally

[keen shore]

Is it

I mean 'I've heard this info, but lots of things ended up getting scrapped in concept so I don't know if it's true now’
?

Because as I said above, that’s not really enough clarification without saying where it was from. I can’t find another message of yours explaining it

[tulip aspen]

is that the valley elders?

[tranquil harbor]

I want to help but I'm just so done with being awake right now

[keen shore]

Go sleep/eat/whatever you need to do [whenever I’m tired and confused it’s usually one of those two] and maybe we can talk about it later?

[tidal valve]

Just wanted to say that’s really beautiful chefs kiss

[tranquil harbor]

I should have been wide awake for a few more hours at least... I hope I'm not getting sick.

[keen shore]

“Oh God There’s Two Of Them”

Jokes aside, I really enjoy your writing, and this is no exception :3c

[tidal valve]

I saw a comic that somebody did about people being falling stars and it really made me think of that text u wrote, I love the idea of skykids having no memory and therefore are confused about their place in such a lonely empty world

[frigid tinsel]

I mean I’m still trying to write chapter 1 of the main skyfic but the problem is how to write birth

[keen shore]

You can omit birth from that sentence and it would still be accurate

[tidal valve]

The problem is always writing I update my five on a03 promicse chapter 2 then never write it lmao

[frigid tinsel]

I just think skykids don’t really know what to do, even after going through the intro cave. Perhaps only after they gain their first winged light do they get a sense of what to do.

Elders I think are made with their purpose in mind. They still have to find themselves and can explore themselves but there’s a lot more encoded in them than skids

[tidal valve]

But I feel like with skykid birth, since they fall with no memory I feel like you wouldn’t need much detail since it’s pretty ambiguous itself

I feel like the birth of a skykid is the fragments of megabird, kinda like how ori is made in that game ahh I forgot the name

[frigid tinsel]

I have a lot of unfinished fics on FFN.net from 2014 and I still get comments asking if I’m gonna finish them

[nimble ingot]

They are like the players.
They dont know where they are from, what they are, what happened or what to do at first.
But there was one portal they can use. The bell was tolling, beckoning to be approached, the skykid can explore and is rewarded with wl.

It is over time, as the skykid learns and grows with the player, they start to piece together things and learn about the world around them.
Sure, the player can look things up, which does not explain who the skykid would know, though that is partly where the game leaves it up to the player to conclude.

[tidal valve]

dude I’m jealous last time I got traction on a fic was on watt pad when I wrote edgy langst Voltron... I cringe

But I only write super indulgent fics and I don’t have a schedule so haahah I don’t mind

[frigid tinsel]

Challenge: find my FFN.net account and publicly lambaste me

[tidal valve]

Idk what or who lambaste is but I’m curious show MeE I’ll let u read my fan fiction cringe as a treat

[frigid tinsel]

That is a very apt description except skykids are born on Isle in my fic cos that’s what happened to me and it makes more sense.

Do you mind if I save this for later reference?

[tulip aspen]

yes exactly, their entire existence has intension, which is why we are so confident they are just deities

[nimble ingot]

you can.
Is your writing posted somewhere?

[tulip aspen]

and very true, with the player projection theory in mind, skykids are absolutely clueless to what's going on, they dont understand a thing, or if there's even a point to anything, a lot of them think the goal is saving the skids in eden, a lot think there IS no goal, they are all so confused, with some being much more confused than others

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, I say a lot that moths are babies kinda jokingly but it’s very true. They’re not quite babies, more like toddlers or preschoolers who know some basic things like walking and talking. They have emotions but don’t know what to do with them. They are told what to do and don’t know enough to do otherwise tho may question things a bit.

It’s only after growing through experience do they gain the ability to express and explore themselves and interact with their surroundings as they see fit

[tidal valve]

I do like to think sometimes if the rebirth cycle is for the replay ability in-game or if canonically there’s a possibility that after eden that’s where the skykid life ends?

[keen shore]

I’m personally not too sure about them having intentions vs just figuring out what they want to be like later like humans, but them being sent down specifically to rule each realm and that’s why each one has the perfect personality for it is a neat idea that I will consider

Although, the implication that Megabird controls society so much that even the rulers are created directly by them specifically with that purpose in mind is… hmmm

[tulip aspen]

no, canonically, rebirth does indeed make us stronger, the true goal is to save every single spirit in the game, and we don't have access to every single spirit yet, they are hidden behind clouds in places we are not able to reach yet

so rebirth is kind of just a utility for skykids

[keen shore]

It is Also possible that rebirth does the same thing for mantas and other assorted light creatures…

[tidal valve]

I feel like it would be super dark and fun if you could die.. like those statues you see in eden, they have the form of a skykid too?

[tulip aspen]

I'm not saying that they chose to have intention, it's more like the light gave them that duty and purpose

[tidal valve]

I like to think elder creatures are made from light creatures who have the most memories and lives from rebirthing so many times

[keen shore]

Oh, so do you mean they were created/born with that intention [which is what the second paragraph of my original post was about] or that they somehow got closer access to the light, which gave them that intention later?

[tulip aspen]

former

[keen shore]

Oh yeah, then original paragraph about the implied level of control over society still stands

[tidal valve]

Is the megabird controlling society taken from the LA timeline?

[keen shore]

It’s a hypothetical, so probably not

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been thinking of the Elders being born with these things in mind:

1. you have been made and directed to the physical world by Megabird and connected in body & spirit to the Light.
2. Megabird commands over the Light and other godly shenanigans whatever or Megabird is the Light (havent figured that out yet).
3. there are beings in the world who are more detached from the Light and need guidance.
4. your duty is to lead these beings to the Light.

Everything else the Elders had to figure out for themselves. Vault Elder wasn’t born a scholar, but they found a propensity towards learning and acquiring knowledge. Forest Elder wasn’t born a blacksmith, but by interacting with other trades they discovered their tenacity with construction and metalworking. Wasteland Elder wasn’t born a warrior, but found their brute strength useful in resolving conflicts.

They had a lot of time to figure out their roles. By the time the Chosen One arrived, they had themselves sorted out with relatively stable authority

[tidal valve]

In my mind forest elder should be buff bc blacksmith

But also big strong lady is v cool so I’m biased

[frigid tinsel]

You don’t have to be big hulking buff to smith

[delicate arrow]

Sooooo turns out I was just looking at it wrong. When I restarted my game in ||orbit|| I thought the kid was giving me a winged light. Turns out they were just giving me the ac I got but in one batch.

[frigid tinsel]

My Valley Elder(s) angst fic does explore this but it’s different from the journey the rest of the Elders had cos they’re different.

As with the rest of your kind...
Unlike the rest of your kind....

[tidal valve]

Oh ok, but still begs to question the first wl you get whenv you don’t have anybody ascended, when you walk through the door in eden you get 1 wl you can hear it in the cutscene

[delicate arrow]

True

[tidal valve]

Well in the cutscene forest uses some kinda Matilda movie style power to lift the hammer and stuff so it makes sense Forest isn’t buff

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a winged light you get just by walking through the rebirth door

[tidal valve]

Yeah!! Who gives that wl, do you start the game with 1 wl too? Or are you completely empty lol

[frigid tinsel]

I think it’s a game mechanic so you’re not reborn capeless.

Lorewise, I think it represents the winged light another skykid had to give you to revive you in Eden.

[delicate arrow]

That makes sense

[uncut pond]

It could also be the King/Prince if you believe in certain theories... Who knows this game's lore is ambiguous enough to allow stuff like this

[delicate arrow]

What if in the beta tgc made it so you could only be revived if someone put a wl where you died

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light didn’t exist in the beta Light Awaits version of the game. Before you would lose expressions.

[tidal valve]

I like the idea of the king reviving you, bc in orbit that’s where you also get your first wl, after you hug the skykid in the dark room, after they return the favour when you return to sky

[delicate arrow]

I mean like in the current beta

[tidal valve]

That sounds painful imagine losing pleaful parent emote lmao at that point I’m good without it

[uncut pond]

I think it was a really cool mechanic and very interesting lore wise,

...but no longer canon

[frigid tinsel]

But yea, it would make more sense and be very interesting, tho I think a lot of people would find that frustrating hence why you’re revived as soon as you die in Eden. But it makes sense in-universe cos you’re giving winged light to petrified skykids, why wouldn’t the same have to happen to you?

Imagine dying way ahead and waiting two weeks to play again because no one reach or find your statue or unlucky server switched.

I think it’d created an interesting dynamic if your friends or whoever was accompanying you died before you and you have winged light to their corpses, but nobody was left to revive you. You get your friends to ascend quickly but you have to wait

[frigid tinsel]

Oh I never answered this.
I have an AO3 but there’s nothing there yet. My Valley Elder(s) fic is the closest to completion so I’ll post it there when I am satisfied with it.

[delicate arrow]

That image is horrible… I usually get to the sand dunes so I can imagine the pain I would feel while waiting for resurrection

[frigid tinsel]

In my ficverse, it’s rather common to wait a couple days or three to be found & resurrected, tho there have been many who’s been petrified for weeks, months, and in a couple cases a year. One of my sky OCs was a terrified moth facing stormlock for the first time alone and hid when they died. When they were finally found, ascended, and reborn, they discovered that five weeks had passed.

They didn’t know it because I think petrified skykids and ancestors are not conscious. Not quite unconscious, just dead and unaware, knowing and feeling only the darkness that embalms them.

[formal skiff]

Huh I like that thought

[tawdry whale]

my friend realized something genius about the tlp spirits and its that their shackles represent the restriction and 'shackles' of adult life
(thank u @hushed steeple )

[tulip aspen]

ive never even noticed the lanterns are SHOWN being INSIDE THE WALLS, how has no one ever pointed this out???

[hushed steeple]

Hi, does anyone know the elements or what each symbol means? 🥺

[sharp lichen]

Those are the 6 orbs you find during the Season of Enchantment! I can elaborate more, but they represent, earth, fire, water, air, darkness, and knowledge

[frigid tinsel]

iirc Sophos(?) made a diagram describing them

[hushed steeple]

I really appreciate your answer

[sly kestrel]

@tulip aspen they aren’t rlly lanterns, but one of the devs actually gave detail on that room. It was released in the season of belonging and it was said to hold “forbidden knowledge”
These lantern shaped things are supposed to be holding that knowledge so in a way, vault is jus one enormous library

[formal skiff]

WHOA STORAGE METHOD

[rigid mural]

wooly manta impostor

[native shoal]

Wooly manta

Yknow I wonder how they fly

[frigid tinsel]

Swimming on air

[compact shale]

Headcanon that they rely on wind currents to carry them; if there's none they'll roll on the ground like a tumbleweed

[native shoal]

I imagine they’re like dandelion fluff

[keen shore]

Is the implication of this supposed to be “tons of these lanterns are hidden inside vault walls that we can’t see”

[tulip aspen]

they store knowledge that can be projected, a common theme thoughout the realm

and seeing as things get trippy in the open part of that area, im willing to bet some illusions are indeed leaking out into the air around you as you pass through there

[tulip aspen]

all vault walls, basically

[compact shale]

If the lanterns hold forbidden knowledge

Does that mean one of them contains a body count of the Wasteland war /hj

[native shoal]

Maybe one has information on if the fainting warrior got rescued and the memory there was because it was traumatic

I like to pretend he did but in all likelihood that didn’t happen

[sly kestrel]

Not all of them hold forbidden knowledge, it’s jus that one area

[compact shale]

Yea but the archive has a lot of lanterns

We don't know if they store 1mb or 1tb of info

[sly kestrel]

Oh yea I forgot it was called the archive

Here’s where I got that idea by the way
I miss seeing these live streams to be honest, most of them would give small hints and details on the lore like this one

[rigid mural]

so the area decayed enough to break in before the fall of the ancestors ? interesting

[tulip aspen]

unless the grampa spirit got it after the fall, which may be likely

[compact shale]

Voluntary came up with a funny headcanon that Wise was raiding the archives to steal something from it

And I headcanoned basically that they were trying to steal Gloating Narcissist's hard drive so that their whole family could see them in their hot stannable glory

[sly kestrel]

There’s no exact timeline really
Decay in a building doesn’t necessarily mean it was when the fall of the kingdom happened, who knows, it could’ve been before too
And if it happened after it means ppl survived that event and died later on

[compact shale]

There WAS one in concept

though we don't know how much still holds true

[keen shore]

They aren’t even the only belonging family member to just… steal things. Sparkler parent just steals sparklers directly from an elder temple without thinking twice.

I am seriously beginning to think that the reason they look so fancy and rich is because they stole all of that stuff/are just blackmailing others. The only other explanation is them maybe making musical instruments, but they seem really into committing crimes

[compact shale]

Well the first part is actually what Volu's theory is based on

Season of Belonging: The Family of Crime

dear goodness

[keen shore]

One of them has definitely robbed a bank at some point

[frigid tinsel]

Belonging Family 🤝 Abyss crew

scavenging rich people’s stuff in the post-apocolypse

[compact shale]

post-apocalypse for both?

[keen shore]

I don’t even think belonging family happened post apocalypse. They just stole things

Possible only piece of evidence is sparkler parent sneaking through the temple to avoid being caught

[frigid tinsel]

Belonging Family 🤝 Abyss crew

Thieves

[keen shore]

Conspiracy theory. Abyss guide comes from the belonging family and that’s why they 1) look rich and 2) are unfazed by the concept of theft

[compact shale]

Abyss Guide is the lost Belonging child

The lost child no one is familiar with /j

[keen shore]

Wait… what if they just stole rich peoples clothes to use them as a disguise so no one would question them walking around the temple and archives… the wise grandparent isn’t even a scholar

[frigid tinsel]

Fake it til you make it

[keen shore]

Someone asks them about history or math or whatever and they just stand there trying not to panic

[sly kestrel]

@keen shore this was something that was explained more when the season of belonging was active
The grandma (season guide) was feeling lonely and wanted her family to gather again. So they had us bring everyone together and for the gathering, each spirit wanted to bring one item or gift. The spirit in the archive was bringing one of the knowledge cubes and the room that the mom was taking from was an old decaying room filled with “junk”. If u look at it in that context it’s not rlly stealing at all.

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss guide became estranged from the Belonging family for whatever reason, gathered a crew, and stole away to piracy on the high seas

[keen shore]

Oh, that makes sense… but then again, why was the sparkler parent sneaking around. I still think they are hiding something

[compact shale]

What if the knowledge cube Wise was trying to get contains Gloating Narcissist's AI lmao

"HEY GUYS! I BROUGHT VAULT'S LOCAL HOT GUY!"

Belonging Guide: Is there something you'd like to present, honey?
Wise Grandparent: Yes, in fact! Take a look at this hot guy I brought from Vault! *puts Gloat's lantern on the table
Confetti Cousin: You didn't even try making it look like a guy...
Wise Grandparent: Wait for it... *turns on the lantern to project Gloating Narcissist in all their hot glory
Confetti Cousin: Oh my- 🔥😳🔥

[rigid mural]

grandpas just like breaking the law, i dont think wise needs to do that to have a reason to do a little trespassing in the vault

[compact shale]

"grandpas" with an s

who's the other lawbreaking grandpa

[rigid mural]

mine

[compact shale]

oh i thought you were gonna say grouch

[rigid mural]

refusing to help cops is thankfully not a crime (yet)

[compact shale]

pretty sure in the jokes grouch is blamed for the black friday glitch

[rigid mural]

hero

[rigid mural]

didnt see that but this is sweet and my favorite

[frigid tinsel]

The other grandpa got arrested for robbery

[native shoal]

haven’t seen this emoji before lol, imagine a pre corruption krill just walking like this

[compact shale]

the scrimbly

[rigid mural]

scrunkly

[frigid tinsel]

squished

[tulip aspen]

here comes that boy✨

[keen shore]

What is everyone’s thoughts on what these small rock stacks are? I wandered through forest looking for them with a glow spell, but these were the only ones I found. There’s probably more though, the mixture of dark realm and them being a tiny thing to look for that blends in with the environment perfectly make them really hard to find.

Where I got each picture & short description

1. Where the shivering spirit memory starts, located next to the grave behind them. Interesting side note is that this spirit has a darkness plant bulb on them, which I didn’t notice until today
2. next to the exit of the same area (loading dock?)
3. in the small underground space of the same area
4. in tearful light miner memory. It’s hard to tell because of the spirit memory turning the color into white [have seen people interpret these as light ingots(?)] but personally I believe these are the same rock stacks. If they are, it’s really interesting because iirc it would line up perfectly with the amount of spirits who died in that memory…

[frigid tinsel]

makeshift altars perhaps

[rigid mural]

OH OH OK LEMME JUST GET A PIC BUT THERES AN IRL EQUIVALENT

[keen shore]

Another interesting note that Might help is that these are, to my memory, only in forest - haven’t been able to find them anywhere else

[compact shale]

maybe a lot of workplace/sudden/hasty deaths happen there

[rigid mural]

Cairns are used to mark paths, generally on terrain liable to be covered by snow (don't actually make one if there isn't one already, you don't know what creature used the stone you're taking), I saw some a few years ago when I hiked in the alps.

They can also be makeshift gravestones if nothing else is around.

[tulip aspen]

all spirits have a darkness bulb, usually inside of them, that just looks like a visual inconsistency there

the stack in the miner cave glows during the memory??

[tulip aspen]

i love seeing cairns while hiking, especially when there's room to leave my own mark on them, it feels so powerful

[rigid mural]

Considering Shivering Trailblazer's name, it's not unlikely these cairns have the former meaning (including the ones in the cave that hold candles, maybe they found another use later after they were built), while Tearful Light miner made them as gravestones.

[keen shore]

That bulb is much larger than spirit… bulbs? normally are. I can check later to see if they have a separate bulb inside their chest as well
And as for the stack glowing, it doesn’t really glow as much as being solid white, but objects in general in spirit memories are the same way

[frigid tinsel]

cairns, that's the name I was looking for

[rigid mural]

cairns are super cool but park rangers will rightfully knock yours down if you try to make one, because taking nearby stones, especially in rivers, can affect the local wildlife

[keen shore]

This is probably the most likely explanation, although, I have to wonder. Why aren’t they left in any other realm? Was forest discovered after every other realm? [makes sense since it’s called “hidden”…]

Thank you for the explanation, by the way!

[keen shore]

Oh, for some reason when you said “you don’t know what creature was using it before you” my mind immediately jumped to Mountain Ghosts

[compact shale]

DON'T TAKE THOSE DOWN! MY MOTHER IS BURIED UNDER THERE!

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[keen shore]

Would them be makeshift gravestones in the light miner’s memory imply that someone moved the bodies later (since they have other gravestones later on) and if so… why

Also side note. I really want to know whose grave it is that the shivering trailblazer starts next to, I can’t remember if the spirit acknowledges the grave at all though

[frigid tinsel]

might've been moved to continue the mine.
yea sure people died here but we got power diamonds to make. move those bodies and get back to work

[rigid mural]

another terribly human thing i learned while hiking: if enough humans walk in a grassy area in the same pattern (desire paths), touch a statue on the same spot or hold onto the same stone for support while threading an incline, then they will leave a mark

[native shoal]

Rock stacks are something I would do all the time when I found rocks in the woods so

[keen shore]

Give them back. You will anger the Mountain Ghosts /j

[compact shale]

there is no workplace death in the forest mines

[native shoal]

I’d leave them in place lol, a little surprise when people came through

[rigid mural]

i'd like to see ancestor desire paths or a mark in a stone showing so many held on to it while walking down a steep hill

[compact shale]

wasn't it theorized that winged lights are kind of like this, but for skykids?

[keen shore]

Would one ancestor desire path be the one on the prairie village island where the wave spirit is, the one they walk up to repair the bell ?

[rigid mural]

YEAH EXACTLY

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I've likened them to a "well-treaded path in the woods"

One theory suggests they appear where many skykids have been and coalesce into winged light, like creating a well-treaded path in the woods by many footsteps — hence why they appear in the same spots. In-game they may be in the same spot for accessibility but in-universe they could land anywhere.

[rigid mural]

AWWW imagine if most paths in the prairie are desire paths, that would be adorable
prairie spirits are so cute, i wanna take a nap next to one

[compact shale]

isn't sand... too sandy for a desire path?

[keen shore]

All of the prairie spirits look so huggable… and so does the elder

[rigid mural]

sand ?

[frigid tinsel]

every spirit is huggable, guys

[keen shore]

Yes but the prairie spirits are even More huggable than most spirits they’re like… made for hugging

[compact shale]

isn't isle of dawn made of- oohhh, you're talking about the FERTILE isle

[rigid mural]

talking about prairie

oh no i wrote the wrong word

[keen shore]

No, you’re right, isle is just one massive desire path

[frigid tinsel]

technically you can make a desire path in the sand. if people are constantly walking one way, it prevents a dune from coalescing

[keen shore]

If forest was discovered last where did the forest elder live before their realm was found? Vault elders basement ?

[rigid mural]

the prairie spirits sound the most chill, prairie just has sleepy late spring noon vibes. when the summer heat didnt kick in yet so you can nap in the shade

[tulip aspen]

hey al hows the skid anatomy doc going btw?

[frigid tinsel]

uhhhhhhhhhhh
i've been writing fanfiction

[keen shore]

Oh no…

[compact shale]

alasdair

did you set your computer on fire

[white dagger]

imagine the next season in the vault goes down
that would be dope ngl

[keen shore]

No I did. Sorry [microwaved it]

[tulip aspen]

its an absolute mood al dw
we'll get there eventually and we'll never have to directly re-answer questions again

[compact shale]

I want the next season of Vault to give us the gift of literacy

I want to read all your forbidden knowledge

[frigid tinsel]

it's on a google doc so even if my laptop exploded, I could finish it on mobile (hate typing on mobile tho)

[tulip aspen]

still seething that we never got a real vault season

of all the times there was a crossover it just had to be at the same time they finally give us a vault season

[white dagger]

LET US READ THE BOOKS
gasp
what if knowledge is stalled in the weird shapes via like
light magic
so its pure knowledge and thought and you need to know some flavor of the light magic (like higher level levitation & telekinesis emotes, or maybe even that purple light) to understand anything!
skykid only know how to float, fly, levitate, and use normal variety magic

[compact shale]

I remember writing the first 2 chapters of my fanfic on mobile

at 10pm

haha

[frigid tinsel]

this is literally my tabs rn, mate

[keen shore]

I Want an actual vault season So badly you do not even know

My ideal one is one centered around a space where the vault spirits grow food like they do with the trees. So you have a big hall of fruit trees and other crops that they maintain in order to be able to eat without bringing in food from Outside

[frosty cosmos]

Omg yess

[rigid mural]

how do you live like this

[keen shore]

Tag yourself I’m the tab labeled “Gender”

[compact shale]

THE OLDEST SKYKIDS ARE 4-5 YEARS OLD WE'RE OLD ENOUGH TO LEARN HOW TO READ

[frosty cosmos]

I never had a vault season before

[white dagger]

GENDER CANNONEER CONFIRMED??

[frigid tinsel]

their name is Vidar in my fic. people call them "Vi"

[compact shale]

dont worry there's worse

[rigid mural]

im the "disruption" tab

[frosty cosmos]

Yall tabs are nothingg

[white dagger]

i'm the ine that i think says "Miscellaneous"

[frigid tinsel]

I'm listening to OSP while I do work (the first three tabs)

[white dagger]

ANOTHER OSP ENJOYER?
YOUVE SUMMONED US

[rigid mural]

OSP IS GREAT

[frosty cosmos]

Whats OSP?

[frigid tinsel]

I was looking for gender-neutral family terms

[white dagger]

overly sarcastic productionsss

[compact shale]

can you send me the link

I don't have a good one for uncle/aunt

the only one I've actually been using is sib/sibby (sibling) and it seems to work so far but

[frosty cosmos]

Ah, okay

[frigid tinsel]

unfortunately I cannot say the whole headline in this server without getting beaned

[frosty cosmos]

Skie adults of the candle

[tulip aspen]

based off our convo earlier, I'd want it to not be a single massive map, but dozens and dozens of corridors branching off deep into the mountain

they can deep the design simple like the cube-constructed corridors in the tunnels on floor one, so we can get a LOT of map and a LOT of content IN those maps

WAIT
.....what if they made these expanses randomly generated......
so that people can still server merge inside these places, it would just lock every hour before reset and then be completely different when unlocked

then we can have cool tunnel exploration, sky dnd time

maybe the krill snuck into the tunnels, or we're introduced to the hermit spiders in-game

the spirits we'll follow during this season could be a group of nobles from valley who havent died yet, and know about a secret buried deep in the farthest reaches of the vault

i vouch that it's something that can cure darkness corruption on dying ancestors, but it could also be something like how the elders came to the kingdom, what caused the war, records following the life of the king, or all of the above!

[frigid tinsel]

i love what your brain is doing. that's a brilliant idea and such an easy transition.

[white dagger]

DOODLE BRAIN GO BRR

[keen shore]

Vault of knowledge backrooms ?

[frosty cosmos]

What the

[tulip aspen]

bru that'd trip me out to see the elevator go down

[compact shale]

randomly generated sky

interesting

like the towers would change positions like harry potter's staircases because vault has all the weird mind stuff?

[rigid mural]

Elevators normally go up and down tbf

[raw crypt]

going to eeby deeby

[tulip aspen]

what do you mean by towers?

[keen shore]

Oh no not again

[white dagger]

just as a personal thing id like it if the krill stayed the heck in wasteland because i'm, conveniently, terrified of krill and theres already one krill in starlight technically
never been able to complete it because i get scared by the krill and leave the map

[rigid mural]

DINK NO

[frigid tinsel]

krill in floor -5 of the Vault

[raw crypt]

MY LAST NAME?

[compact shale]

sheesh i mean tunnels whoops

[white dagger]

p le as e n o

[rigid mural]

HELP NOT ME TYPOING

[keen shore]

Slink’s full name = Slink Mink Dink

[frigid tinsel]

the next season in the Vault. the elevator goes down and in the darkness you see this

[rigid mural]

the circus is in town rn if u wanna see me

[tulip aspen]

yeah, maybe not krills, but like i said it'd be a cool time to properly introduce the hermit spiders, and maybe the shadow worms to non-trials(?)

what about a darkness monster that actively roams the corridors, can sniff players out from a distance, and has to be stealthed past, it'll hear you fly or jump and see you too

[frosty cosmos]

Lol

[raw crypt]

not a vault season but I’d really enjoy a cave based season, the title lightminer really leaves a lot to be explored, and I think it could be an engaging concept, especially since flying in smaller spaces would be difficult, i feel itd be cool to utilize the swimming mechanic, flooded mines perhaps in the forest area due to constant rain..
and like iy could go eithe rdirect colour wise, something more dull like abyss with darkstone or something more colourful like crystals and i just!! MINES AND CAVES, caves r so cool and swag and crystals r cool

[tulip aspen]

oh then yes, that's exactly the idea im going for on why it could and would work!

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[keen shore]

Procedurally generated infinite hallways with a terrifying monster you have to avoid. This is literally just vault of knowledge backrooms. The worst part? I could totally see this existing with all the purple light stuff

[compact shale]

My real name is Fragaria Mangifera Imposteur nee Cosmique Magica Star II

[frigid tinsel]

it is that deep, the Vault could be soooooooo deep

[white dagger]

question
why is skybot called doodle bot
is it named after me???/j

[rigid mural]

omg imagine if most of the light sources are dark stones

[tulip aspen]

they definitely need to both expand and explore on the fact that they mined in forest

forest is a bloated enough realm already, being one of the biggest, with 3 different seasons giving it 4 different maps and massive changes on old ones, but i think they gotta do it anyways.

there should be a tunnel behind where the light miner cries.

and it should go FAR.

[raw crypt]

forest is so cool it gets all the seasons and its what it deserves

honestly i think a submerged cave system could be the underwater equivalent of wind paths, resurface in water areas of seasonal spots

[white dagger]

forest >>>>

[tulip aspen]

that'd be so pretty ngl

different shades too just for aesthetic, blue and purple and cyan

[frigid tinsel]

Forest: literally raining acid
TGC: put a season there! or two! why not three!

[compact shale]

If you covered yourself with sodium hydroxide (a Ph 14 substance) could you go through forest unscathed? (this is a bad idea for humans but idk for skykids)

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, ig its less raining acid and more raining parasites

[compact shale]

that's more horrifying

what parasites?

[keen shore]

That’s a horrible way to describe darkness rain but you’re not wrong

[lofty void]

WHAT HAPPENED HERE

[uncut pond]

isnt that literally trial of fire but with rng?

[compact shale]

This is why you do not simply chibi fall anywhere you want.

||chibi falling's a form of noclip right?||

[harsh pecan]

Bruh

[lofty void]

this is just karma for the chibis that decide to chibi fall in front of 2-4 player doors in vault When there’s other people there who need help.

I see this as a win

[keen shore]

It’s what the chibis deserve /j

[compact shale]

Welp. Guess I'm dead. Goodbye lorechat...

[frigid tinsel]

I’m trying to find the time Fruitzie asked what happened if you chibi fall irl and I said you get sent straight to hell

[compact shale]

Since I started researching about the Backrooms I figured that's what happened if you tried to chibi fall in real life

[harsh pecan]

Some of them do it when there’s enough people to open the door 💀

[tulip aspen]

i wanna see it lead to an area showing an entire massive abandoned mining operation, something like those awful ugly holes in the center of deserts, but instead it's just ruining and hurting the forest, clearing trees and terrain on a colossal scale

the spirits would be the miners themselves, and in their memories it'll be themed about showing them being overworked by a shallow-ly antagonizing ancestor leader, a priest from teth's temple

giant drills in the center of the operation, and halfway into the missions you'll re-activate a highway of minecarts like we see in abyss, they're coming from prairie, heading into the mine to loading stations, then moving off to the forest temple, carrying pots from prairie and darkstone from the mines

the larger plot would be about shutting off the big drill in the center, which is still creating earthquakes in this area to this day

the problem would be that darkness scorpions, crabs, and hermit spiders fill the tunnels and depths of the mine to the brim with their shrill cries...

[tulip aspen]

not really, the shadow worms are kinda bland when it comes to actively murdering you

[frigid tinsel]

They still murder you

[compact shale]

do you want them to murder you in a bloodier/light-gorier way?

[tulip aspen]

well deserved

[tulip aspen]

i mean they arent chasing you

they feel more like and are just harmful obstacles rolling around in circles

[uncut pond]

I died to those worms like a hundred times trying to complete fire trial

[harsh pecan]

Same..

[tulip aspen]

my problem with fire as a moth was that i got lost, also i recommend avoiding the mods with that message lol

[formal skiff]

My friend is so smol that sometimes they fall through places that are not intended for humans to fall through and we like to say they’re just chibi glitching irl

[rigid mural]

ppl often see greeter's mask as a parrot but... considering the lil ears, i like to imagine sky griffons

[formal skiff]

Awwww

[rigid mural]

martha 2

[compact shale]

now draw woolie on top

[raw crypt]

WE NEED MORE MARTHAS

[tulip aspen]

ive always retorted against those people with eagle but damn am i sure okay with griffin

[formal skiff]

Lol whenever Vela draws something these days we’re just like, “No you fool why are you drawing anything other than wooly mantas”

[compact shale]

everything's cuter with Woolie

[raw crypt]

tiny beast and big beast…..

[formal skiff]

FRENS

[sharp lichen]

OH MY GOD

[formal skiff]

Oh my Megabird*

[raw crypt]

shout out to big sky birds having those little nubs, best thing ever very very important

[compact shale]

Oh my Birds

[tulip aspen]

btw here's what i mean when i say awful ugly holes, i dont rly know how to say it otherwise.
I think this would be the best geographic way for tgc to convey a mining operation into a new map

and also the scorpions from the abyss concept.
they probably weren't planning on making them particularly special in gameplay design, but i was thinking scorpions could be a ranged anti flying mechanic, where if you fly overhead just a bit too low their tail will extend about 20 feet out and snipe you
(after a warning of course)
maybe it could be dodgeable if you spam flap right as they attack, and just be a nuisance, so that they arent krill level of a threat

[keen shore]

Another neat variant of this idea: basically what you said, but it also takes place in treasure reef, and we relive the spirit memories of the miners who existed there before everyone abandoned it. One of the quests involves draining out parts of the ocean or even lifting up the island more out of the water so you can explore the area …

…Wait. Now that I think about it. This is a really annoying way to explain away the flooding in abyss, I know, but what if the entire structure floated beforehand similar to the Citadel in valley and that’s why everything is underwater, not because it got flooded? I doubt it’s the case but would be very neat

[compact shale]

Like we reinstall diamond nodes to make stuff float?

[keen shore]

Pretty much, yeah
When you’re done it rises out of the ocean and all the water inside pours out, leaving the ruins exposed to the air. It doesn’t even have to float, it can be on the top of some massive foundation that crumbled and sent it into the water

[uncut pond]

A season inside a previous season's seasonal area?

Seasonal inception

[keen shore]

I know right, it would be so cool

[frigid tinsel]

Broke: the Abyss crew found the Treasure Reef facility long after it had been flooded.
Woke: the Abyss crew took out the power diamonds levitating the facility, causing it to collapse and kill them

[keen shore]

Imagining one of them taking out one of the power diamonds with a smug expression on their face, then the entire island falls on top of their head

[compact shale]

Boatswain: Ah, 'tis me biggest bumble of all time...

*gets crushed by falling island

Boatswain: And thas why I always have me headache!

[keen shore]

I know I shouldn’t be finding this funny, but something about the concept is so cartoonish that it’s killing me to think about

[frigid tinsel]

I’m still chuckling

[rigid mural]

ah yes, world famous "rock falls, everyone dies"

[frigid tinsel]

And if someone survived gravity, they got the whole ocean drowning them

[formal skiff]

This is so funny to me

[keen shore]

Oh my god imagine a cutscene with that happening, then the video cuts to it causing a massive tsunami that crashed the forgotten ark. It’s all their fault

[compact shale]

Scrimbling as their lightbrains get squeezed by the pressure

[tulip aspen]

thatd be cool but itd suffer from the same syndrome a concept i had for a forest season had had:
you have to make sure that it doesn't break the game between players who have DONE the missions, and players who HAVEN'T

in a concept i had for an assembly 2.0, a flood would ransack the forest brook, the water level would rise about 30 feet and the assembly team would have to evacuate the villagers throughout the realm and create new housings for them

this wouldn't work, because it implies that, just for a few missions, the forest water level would be raised, but only people doing those missions would see this!

imagine being a player who doesnt want to do the missions or a moth seeing someone do the mission swimming in the higher level of water, and that player is floating in mid-air!

you might end up running into similar problems unfortunately with a concept that drains or negates the existence of water in abyss, for playing not doing the mission, it'll show you flying underwater lolol

this rule is why tgc cant just massively transform maps for specific events for seasons

if only tho

[compact shale]

Yeah, that's one of the game's biggest limitations

Imagine seeing the Assembly evacuation cutscene

You see everyone helping and then Cadet is obviously screaming

[keen shore]

Hmmmm maybe, split servers between those who have done it and people who haven’t?

[rigid mural]

how about unlocking a new map, with a cutscene in between ? maybe the facility isnt drained but that map is

[tulip aspen]

so like, a copy of abyss but drained?

[rigid mural]

end cutscene has something make a hole in the wall of the tower, going into the crack triggers a fade to black like in the starlight desert pot and boom, drained area to unlock

[formal skiff]

There’s
There’s a Sky kid
Falling

[rigid mural]

thats how i dive, i channel my inner gannet

[compact shale]

Megabird misaimed their punting aim

Sorry lmao

Skykid: This is Megabird. *gestures upwards
Skykid: Our Creator.
Skykid: They sent us here with a purpose: to return these squishy dead spirits to the stars.
Skykid: They send us by punting stars onto the Isle of Dawn.
*cut to a star falling onto the Isle of Dawn
Skykid: If your star falls into the sea... which could happen...
*cuts to star falling into the sea near Isle of Dawn
Skykid: ...good luck with that.
*cuts to the ocean being set on fire as screams echo in the background

(the fire only covers up the true horrors)

[formal skiff]

Lol

[sharp lichen]

You know what I need? Underwater Caves. Underwater trials, even. Trial of Fire, but underwater. I don't care if it makes no sense. MAKE IT HAPPEN

[compact shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hun5aSt37QI

[rigid mural]

do you think wasteland spirits cope with the very harsh environment by being incredibly silly
cos like...

wasteland spirits: spending their memories hiding, running for their lives or otherwise facing the realm's difficulty
also wasteland spirits:

[formal skiff]

Y e s

[compact shale]

I have a hc that although Crab Walker was trying to lure crabs in with the dance, they actually like crabs and are only trying to lure them in for eating out of desperation

[rigid mural]

i think about them every day, they aren't extremophiles, they are surviving how they can and that includes being silly to boost morale

[rigid mural]

i like birds, doesnt mean i wont eat chicken if im given a small portion
i bet thats the same for them

[compact shale]

Who wants rum?

Boatswain: What ye doin' 'ere?
Abyss Guide: Mixing orange juice, fish intestines, and airshrooms to make fake rum for the new crew. They won't stop bothering me about it.
Boatswain: Eh? *drinks some of the mix
Boatswain: 'Tis no rum! 'Tis crabswill, dammit!
Abyss Guide: Now you know what I think when I drink that stuff.

[sharp lichen]

Maybe crab walking has become a traditional dance in Enchantment culture?

[compact shale]

There are many species of birds

And the birds that get the admiration are different from the birds that get the eating

There's only 2 species of crab in Sky

[rigid mural]

chicken are admirable birds, you're just a coward

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh okay

my absolute galaxy brain needed help lol

[tulip aspen]

fr, they better actually utilize the new game mechanic

[formal skiff]

Help I love this quote so much

[compact shale]

obviously

Crab Walker: If I could make cairnes for all the crabs we had to eat to try and stay alive, I'd have... 2. Yeah, the crab dance is apparently super ineffective around this area

[keen shore]

I Love Them So Much

[sharp lichen]

but trial of fire but underwater would be nightmarish

[compact shale]

In vein with the "spirits with silly sides" topic, I like to think that Ash's prophet hints are about the kind of person the prophets are when no one's around. And those hints are what became the basis of my headcanon "The Prophets are actually just normal ancestors who got really weird dreams"

Prophets after Closing yoooooooo

[tulip aspen]

the most realistic approach to more underwater seasons would be shorefront affairs

i still say we should have something inside isle, below the waters behind starfall point

because that's where they come from in the cinematic trailer......

[tulip aspen]

in general any new season/map/ANYthing with water should USE it to allow us to dive towards an objective

my for mining site season, yes, of course there should be underwater caves

and underwater lake would be pretty sick

[raw crypt]

putting light crystals in my mouth pls pls pls itd be so cool

[tulip aspen]

scorpion boi

aint no one flying through this tunnel, you're gonna have to deep call to make it run away

[rigid mural]

this is the funniest sky gif i have ever seen

[tulip aspen]

fat fingers drawing on a phone for the win

[hushed steeple]

Ok, but have we considered a conch for a dark creature.

[compact shale]

Underwater extra large shells?

[rigid mural]

These things can one-shot a man.

[hushed steeple]

Horrifying things in beautiful shells. Knew they were too pretty to be true, something had to deduct points off of it.

[rigid mural]

Gender

[hushed steeple]

Im not buying any. Sorry.

[hushed steeple]

I SAID IM NOT BUYING ANY!!!!!

FINE!! Give me one of each, I'll sell them later once they've risen in pricing.

[sharp lichen]

Oh god it's midnight already

[hushed steeple]

Not, its 7:00 pm on February 32nd. Don't you remember that Pangaea has the same time zone all the way everywhere?

[sharp lichen]

what

[hushed steeple]

Wait, what year is it for you. Because the current year is 35784

What if sky and fortnite had a crossover, and while sky's cosmetics actually looked nice, fortnite had two skins of a moth but the body texture was simply slapped onto the default male and female bodies but the head stayed the same as sky moths.

[sharp lichen]

WHAT

Considering that the Zero Point looks a tiny bit similar to Megabird, maybe? I’m still not sure, but it’ll be incredibly funny to see millions of Fortnite players trying Sky out

[hushed steeple]

Suddenly we've got one singular krill on the map, but it only launches you away instead of stripping away your light. And the mantas were smoked and turned into gliders. Spirits are those wierd ally characters and their just casually holding WEAPONS! IMAGINE THE LIGHT WHISPERER AIMING A SNIPER!!!!!!!!! And then they'll try to reenact Eden in sky, but because they didn't even try to look at the lore it ends up just being a volcano.

[weary escarp]

this chat scares me

[hushed steeple]

Boo

[weary escarp]

[hushed steeple]

Do you think that something lore related is going on with light seekers and the days of bloom trees. Other than what's confirmed. Like is this a common ritual? Are they encouraging growth? What are they really doing?

I'll just be heading out for a bit and checking back later.

[tulip aspen]

oops i meant caves not cakes lmao

[tulip aspen]

thats actually a good idea!

[weary escarp]

I suppose they’re just lightseeking like their name suggests

the bloomtrees are likely light entities anyway

[tulip aspen]

ive stated i think yesterday that since they have no use for it (cos they're dead) they're just showing us skykids they CAN extract light, and how they do it

wasting bloom tree life essence smh

for me, the most significant thing about this is not the activity specifically, but the fact that spirits, not just guides, can appear to us canonically and often, which is a pretty big deal especially for fruity and i, who go insane over the logic and processes of ascension and descension on a monthly basis lolol

[tulip aspen]

all life in the world is

[tulip aspen]

updated!

prolly not gonna go further

a 3 second constant flash of red nearby, then suddenly it's tail whips out

no spotlight on this guy, so you'd have to rely on keeping an eye out for them and sound cues alone in order to know when you'll need to dodge and weave mid flight

[weary escarp]

well there’s…krills and corrupted crabs

suppose krills are also corrupted light entities

[tulip aspen]

krills are confirmed to be corrupted light creatures, and its becoming more of an agreement that crabs are light creatures too, just unique with a stone shell, similar to the external anatomy understanding we have of skykids

[weary escarp]

actually, wouldn’t dark fungi be an inherently dark entity?

mhm

[tulip aspen]

do you mean darkness plants?

darkness plants are just a form corrupted light takes, infecting and damaging more light that comes into contact with it, like a virus, a Light cancer

we've recently come to a new conclusion that darkness plants are much more likely to be the corrupted and dead essence of ancestors, which explains why there are not that much ancestors left to relive the memories of, they didnt last long, and their corpses were eaten by the plants

its not canon for sure of course

[compact shale]

Headcanons for lightseekers bloom extraction

1. That's why they can do glowy emotes (which ancestors rarely do outside their price tree)
2. That's the Bloom tree's soul and when Megabird takes them back they're taking the Bloom soul with them

[frigid tinsel]

man i only had to read 40 messages but those 40 messages were a trip

[compact shale]

do you get sleep

[frigid tinsel]

it's 2am wut

[compact shale]

GO TO SLEEP ALASDAIR.

[harsh pecan]

Cool

[compact shale]

Alasdair. Go to sleep or else all your dreamworld dental problems will become real.

[harsh pecan]

If they would then Alasdair is probs gonna sleep really early from now on

[frigid tinsel]

i have to feed my bunny

[compact shale]

AT 2AM?!

[tulip aspen]

its a bunny fruity

[compact shale]

WELL IDK HOW BUNNIES WORK

[frigid tinsel]

she gets parsley at night and my mom fell asleep watching Westside Story

[tulip aspen]

its a bunny fruity

[compact shale]

thanks jam /s

[frigid tinsel]

maybe I should feed her some fruit

[compact shale]

💀

[stone mulch]

@muted flower

[tranquil harbor]

So the orange fish are koi

[harsh pecan]

Its been a few hours without messages

[compact shale]

this place ded

[late wasp]

lets keep it dead long enough to warrant Ash showing up

[compact shale]

that's how it works?

[late wasp]

only one way to find out

[tranquil harbor]

Somebody: "Ash lore chat is dead, go answer some questions"
Ash: -throws us crumbs-

[pastel brook]

[tranquil harbor]

Does the bot just show up at random or do people send it here?

[compact shale]

some think tis a combination of both

[pastel brook]

Hi folks, what's up?

[frigid tinsel]

[harsh pecan]

Is that really you skybot?

[sharp lichen]

Good morning, idibot!

[tulip aspen]

no, vela has to make a good point about a problem, and then i have to complain about it enough that everyone starts reciprocating it

also ash has to be the person actually working on the current season, and it's someone else, so nah lol

[tulip aspen]

prolly a mod lol

[sly kestrel]

Speaking of ash, has anyone figured this out yet, it’s been years

[formal skiff]

I don’t understand any more than you

[fading bear]

Is the “pretending to be a rock” thing part of the walk cycle?

[rigid mural]

Krill

Crabs and krills both circle an area, yell at then charge at you while yelling more

Crabs do seem a bit more erratic because they aren't going in patterns like krills, but you will notice that dark crabs go in circles when they walk

Old vid but here, the crab goes in circles until it notices me.
It then hisses, gets ready then tries to tackle me while screeching.

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like you kicked it.
🦵denied

[rigid mural]

I didn't, I swear ! I would never be mean to crabs, they just need personal space...
This one just tripped.

[thin oak]

mmm, quick question
we do have names for the elders + the king, right? does anyone have a list? ajshgfhsdf i forgot,, and i kinda need them for something I'm writing
on a similar vein, do the Seasonal Guides have names? I know that the Flight Guide was a student of a elder, but I forget who...

[frigid tinsel]

the Elders have names from concept development that's no longer canon but a lot in the community use them:
Isle Elder – Daleth
Prairie Elder – Ayin
Forest Elder – Teth
Valley Elder(s) – Samekh (they share a name)
Wasteland Elder – Tsadi
Vault Elder – Lamed

Flight guide is confirmed to have been the apprentice of Prairie Elder in their character card: #news message

[thin oak]

thanks!

[visual knoll]

What's with this castle? :0

[sharp lichen]

It is the Eden Temple, the home of the now-corrupted Eden Elder.

[forest depot]

There's an Eden Elder?!

[visual knoll]

Oooooo I don't think to try and explore it when I go flying past it!

Is it explorable?

[forest depot]

I dont think so. It kind of forces you to fly up yeah?

[visual knoll]

Idk, I keep forgetting to try

I think there's a reeeally small window where you can get out of the flight path, but I'm not entirely sure.

[sly kestrel]

It used to be easy to explore the upper part of eden, now it’s a lot more restricted

[visual knoll]

I got almost all the stone
Children??? Except for the ones right at the big angry diamond light thing

[turbid cliff]

I've tried to go onto the castle one time, but I just phased through so I don't think you can explore it unfortunately :(

[visual knoll]

Aww :(

[keen shore]

Now to figure out if this means “them walking in patterns imitates krill” [understandable conclusion] or something to do with their actual gait mimicking an irl animal or something along those lines. They kind of remind me of jumping spiders when they walk, maybe there’s just a spider under that shell? [although I don’t think they have enough legs. They move so fast it’s a struggle to count them, even if you get a good picture one pair is always under their bodies]

[tulip aspen]

yeah i dont really have an opinion on the crab hint cos it's so intentionally vague that it's kinda irrelevant to try

[frigid tinsel]

if both krill and crabs move in semi-predictable movement, then perhaps something about corruption makes them want to stick to a strict path or alters how they move. or makes them territorial

krill are true dark creatures (utterly corrupted), so their patrols are more strict. they don't deviate unless hunting something that crossed their path. dark crabs don't seem so much "true" dark creatures but rather irritated light creatures, so their movements are more erratic albeit still set

[tulip aspen]

okay that's making a bit more sense!
it's just still the hint's wording that irritates and confuses me

"how they're created"
tgc be implying lapis was right all along

[frigid tinsel]

I was leaning off the "comes to be" part of Ash's statement. how crabs turn dark

[nimble ingot]

Both also tend to go low to the ground at times.
For the Dark Dragon, it is the dark water, or the sandy dunes. For the Crabs, it is soft soil. I dont think there were crabs that went into the dark water, though I may be wrong given there are in the Abyss area.

Either way, most of sky's creatures are based on aquatic creatures, which may imply they are aquatic in nature, or amphibious given they can fly in the sky.
Perhaps the dark creatures were altered to instead seek out the light, they intend to consume it all. They do not give light, they instead steal it.

This is oddly enough similar to how Dark stone works, it can give off light and take in light to become charged. However, when corrupted, they instead take away light and no longer give light. Such as the red rocks in Eden, sure they glow, but their red light is not helping with illuminating the area, it is likely just charged with light coming from the storm.
I wonder if thunder in Sky would give electrical energy, light energy or instead be a destructive form or light energy?

[tulip aspen]

yee after re-reading it for a second there's multiple adverbs to leave it up to interpretation and let us choose huh

i mean, we kinda have to go with 'came to be', right? but it is the weakest wording there, while the others are so aggressively mysterious yet implicative, so they're more attractive, or at least will be more appealing to people

[nimble ingot]

Furthering the thought about lightning in Sky:
What would happen if a skykid were to be struck by lightning?
What would happen if a Dark Dragon were to be struck by lighting?
What would happen if a Manta were to be struck by lighting? (would they transform from light to plasma and become a cosmic manta??)

We do know the boats cannot withstand a powerful strike from a lightning bolt, as the murals in the Forgotten Ark has shown.
It would likely be a deadly shock to ancestors, being they are/were mortal beings that likely would not survive the burning power surging through their bodies.

[frigid tinsel]

here's how I interpret it:
"born/made" – the way they were created is how they're always are and always intended to be.
"come to be" – how they are now, which is different than how they were before.

I lean toward "come to be" because we have the existence of two different types of crabs – dark aggressive crabs and passive "light"(?) crabs. so one was made that way, the other was changed.

[tulip aspen]

we've still never seen lightning huh, the storm has down too much over the century(s)

[nimble ingot]

So, in other words.
A skykid is reborn, meaning the are born as skykids. As in they are intended to be the way they are.
A crab has come to be a dark creature due to what happened in the past, they were not always spiteful creatures that would knock off a skykid when given a chance.

[frigid tinsel]

skykid struck by lightning would prob go super saiyan /j

[nimble ingot]

We see lighting from the Home island while Storm-locked.
We do see lighting in every realm when looking at the Eden mountain.
And most importantly, we hear (but hardly see, if not at all) thunder in the Eye of Eden.

Seeing that the mural in the Wasteland had thunder symbols, and the Dawn mural had a thundering sound effect when a certain mural is revealed, it means that the storm may have once been so large, it could have reached the furthest realms. If true, it may explain how some of the structures were destroyed. While they may have degraded over time, it is also possible an element such as a storm can destroy buildings over time.

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah i know, we're still confident and sure, it's just odd

either way your explanation above made great and plenty enough sense, and even works well on conjunction with my theories that the darkness controls their minds

[nimble ingot]

Overcharged lol

[tulip aspen]

oh right duh lol i genius

[nimble ingot]

Eyes and brains, Dr. Jam

[tulip aspen]

AoT music starts blasting

[frigid tinsel]

yea, a skykid is born a skykid. crabs may have been born crabs, tho we don't know if they were always intended to be hostile or passive. since we know that krill, the only other dark creature present (ignoring the leviathan), are corrupted light creatures, we can imply that hostile crabs, which have darkness flakes on them, were corrupted and came to be dark crabs.

[tulip aspen]

i have 4 eyes and none of that latter thing you mention

[tulip aspen]

yee islander sanct crabs prove they were (more) innocent bois, like you said

heck, even the mural in the ark caves show them living peacefully among ancestors and light creatures, until they touch the water that the ancestors were pouring something into.....

[maiden fog]

Interesting that you say that about the cargo boat in the bottom right corner with the spilled cargo. The enterence to the abyss area use to be in that location on wasteland before being moved to the social space.

[delicate arrow]

And if you go to geyser, you will notice that the gold boxes in the sand near the polluted water are the same as the ones spilled at the shipwreck.

[rigid mural]

my headcanon being that darkness personifies negative thoughts/memories, then perhaps they both go in circles just like one would be stuck in a vicious cycle

[maiden fog]

I did not mnow about this but I shall now try to investigate

[keen shore]

I even get the feeling that it’s not supposed to be vague, we’re just THAT GOOD at overthinking things

[maiden fog]

Who is lapis and what did they think?

The crabs have 4 legs, a quick google search showed this, porcelain crabs and king crabs???

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis was a big motivator behind the theory that crabs are synthetic beings, created (likely unintentionally) by the ancestors in the process of producing power diamonds.
see: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
and: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
and lastly:

[maiden fog]

Its interesting because google also says that crabs with 4 legs are not true crabs. So, does that mean they are not real crabs?
Im tempted to think that maybe the crabs were never real, and maybe the king who we know did something that lead to the destruction, maybe the result of that corrupted the dimond that powers these animated fake crabs.
Maybe the spirits made these on purpose, maybe thats why certain areas have more. Like those containers meantion earlier at the shipwreck. Seen as cargo containers. Maybe they were shipping these fake crabs to different realms of sky to be brought to life via those diamonds or used in some way. Because there are a few nice one are in sanctuary.
The dimonds in sky are blue, but in eden those gems are red. What if they started of blue.
Like in disney Atlantis, you know the story of a lost civilization that was mysteriously destoryed and it was said that the gods became angery. In that film, the king created war machines that mimic real life animals. Funny enough their dimond is also blue and turn red when angered..
Sorry, i kinda went all adhd there...

[frigid tinsel]

i mean you can see that Sky krill aren't real krill

[nimble ingot]

I like your thinking.

Crabs in real life are better known to have 6 legs, and 2 claws. In Sky, it is possible that their crabs are either not true crabs by real life standards, or it a stylistic choice seeing a creature with 4 legs is easier to animate than 6, (mind you, the krill are an exception to this rule as their 12 pairs of legs dangle and spasm randomly).

Blue diamonds/darkstone seems to be the natural colour they take one, albeit it can be a darkened version in it raw or inactive state. While a red diamond seems to be a corrupted state they can become, whereas the exact reason is not yet been made clear in the game itself.
There is also a golden/yellow state for power diamonds, whenever they are activated or charges with light. The crabs' eyes are usually blue untill they become aggressive and start glowing red. Perhaps there is a link to these things and you are on to something there.

As for the Atlantis comparison, I am glad to see other people also see that connection.
While the film has a lot of similarities (I'll list them soon), I am not sure if the original material (i.e. the book or original writing) would still apply. Regardless of that fact, Sky does seem to have plenty of Greek Mythological connections, among that from other cultures (namely Asian, Indian, Australian, Islam, Christian, Buddist, etc.).

[maiden fog]

Aww thanks, i feel so much better. I was worried that I was the only one so saw these connections with mythology and ancient civilizations.
Also, i have an android, so I can't video tape anything but he did meantion something about a walking pattern. Its difficult to analyze in the moment but maybe someone can record a video of the crabs walking and we can review it??

[sharp lichen]

Raider you’ve been typing for quite a while

[nimble ingot]

Here is a list of similarities between the film, Atlantis: The lost Empire, to Sky: Children of the Light:

Dark skinned ancestors with light hair and known to have blue marking, or blue attire.
Lived in a civilisation that once floating in the sky (or above the water).
Relied on a magical crystal/stone that glows blue and is able to cause rocks to float, and/or activate hidden mechanism embedded in stone.
There is an elder that rules over the kingdom.
There is a chosen one among the people that can rise up and defend the kingdom.
The people were able to live in harmony until a calamity occurred and kingdom has fallen into ruin.
The ancestors relied on boats/creatures made of stone as a form of transport.
The stone like creatures were artificial creations of the ancestors and based on aquatic creatures, (note that while Sky does not have these creatures in the game, there is concept art of them that suggest these may have been considered, and possibly would be implemented in the future).
If the crystal is used for evil, or misused, the crystal can corrupt the user and turn them into a creature made of the same material as the crystals, however instead have a distinct red colour.
The ancestors prayed/paid respect/acknowledge/immortalise the dead with shrines made of stone and imbued with crystal energy (especially the elders).
Without the crystal, the ancestors are weakened and may perish (in the film, the Atlanteans had extended life spans due to the life giving energy of the crystals they keep on their person).
There is a leviathan made of stone in the film (in sky, the fan named leviathan may instead play a similar role instead of being a artificial creation).
The world is separated from the human world.

That is about all I can see. If there is anything else, feel free to add your own suggestions.
Also, feel free to use this as part of your own notes, ex. as supporting evidence.

[nimble ingot]

You know I do that, when I have a lot to say. XD

[maiden fog]

Here is a screenchot of the poster for this film. It provides a good image. Though it clearly does not show everything.

[tulip aspen]

that crabs are artificial, made from the golden container things

iirc the evidence was that there are some instances of crabs being around them, but i may be wrong

[sharp lichen]

NOT THAT FILM

[tulip aspen]

omg that's amazing, just proves further they're stone-shelled!!!
(kinda lol)

[viscid coyote]

Ryyy

Why does sky doesn’t have glass?

[viscid coyote]

It’s notable that the golden recipients are used in mechanisms on the temples. For example I. Forest temple they appear broken from the elevator bridges

[nimble ingot]

There is in Office, though that might not count within the context of Sky itself.

Either the ancestors did not know how to make glass, did not see a need if they can use metal to do the same thing and/or wanted the wind to flow through their building without too much disruption (hence why some windows have metal meshing or shudders).

Though that is an interesting point, regardless.

[viscid coyote]

Thanks!, i also tought that, maybe they don’t feel cold whit the wind, but at the same time, valley has no covered windows and that must suck for such cold, we can see they are able to feel cold by their clothes. Maybe tgc just can’t find a good texture for it?

[compact shale]

On the topic of glass

When I went into Valley for the first time

I thought the snow was white sand and the ice was glass

Ice-paned windows?

[frigid tinsel]

it’s been an untold amount of time since the kingdom fell. Perhaps they had glass but all of it in buildings broke and shattered due to neglect, the Eden explosion, earthquakes, or other natural disasters

[viscid coyote]

That’s a good idea!, but where are the shards?

[frigid tinsel]

Too small to bother with animating or too much on phones GPUs, probably

[harsh pecan]

Imagine if there were a lot of glass shards everywhere and there was a mechanic where we’d lose light if we touched them

[sharp lichen]

That would be more painful then real life glass shards!

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[compact shale]

Since lorechat is dead, is there anything I'm missing for this chart?

[compact shale]

Wait it's the first anniversary of Wooly Manta already?

[keen shore]

OH YES ! [happy reaction to manta]

[rigid mural]

no its just a wooly manta with a party hat bc chat was dead and i wanted to show a proof i did not dissapear

[frigid tinsel]

low words, just

[compact shale]

Vela did I miss any contemporaries (in orange)?

[keen shore]

Hey vela what do the mantas look like when they’re wet? Are they like cats where they turn from fluffy majestic fur balls into wet rats

[rigid mural]

i will get you my pic with the era stuff, though i am starting to think most if not all spirits are contemporaries !

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps like a deflated pomeranian

[keen shore]

What if there’s just a normal manta under there…

[compact shale]

That era stuff is based on spirits cameoing in other seasons right?

[rigid mural]

yep ! every spirit in a single list cameos in the memory of another spirit in the list

[compact shale]

Hm. Looks like the charts in place in that department so far. If there are other connection theories/confirmations, let me know!

[keen shore]

Psst can you add a purple link between abyss and assembly [due to evidence they take place around the same time?]

[compact shale]

Ehe? Where?

[rigid mural]

what did the manta do to deserve this

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[compact shale]

And then you have to comb-dry all the WooWoos

[frigid tinsel]

high-velocity dryer time

[harsh pecan]

I really want a wooly manta plushie

[lofty void]

seconded

[keen shore]

I will try to remember all the evidence I thought of because I am very tired atm, might be forgetting some !

• Same bookshelves on abyss ship and in assembly hideouts. Despite their utility these are surprisingly not super common around the kingdom, and that combined with the fact that wood seems to have been only used for temporary structures or fuel in sky kingdom [you barely see it anywhere, but we do know that the trees in forest were cut down to some extent, plus the clouds everywhere may have made the wood rot faster from moisture] Makes me think these bookshelves are all from around the same time period & wouldn’t stick around in the moisture for long, so had to be a recent one
• Assembly spirits had to do almost everything themselves with no outside help from others, to the extent of growing their own food and building their own houses. This has led to theories that they were either in forest before it got fully explored (is why they’re called scouts) or they’re there after the disaster and trying to survive. Since they are known to have been designed with “parents” from and base game forests the latter explanation makes more sense

[rigid mural]

what are they exactly referred to as ? "related" to lightseekers ? "descendants" of lightseekers ?

[frigid tinsel]

wasn't there a quip that the Assembly spirits were "descended" or "related to" the Lightseekers?

[compact shale]

Ash has confirmed the seasons to be connected, though they never explicitly said that it was a familial connection

[keen shore]

They refer to them as their parents in the next two sentences ?

Nnnhhh I want to know who each ones parents are so bad but I have no ideas for evidence… I almost wish they’d shown them interacting, even though it would torpedo my theory of assembly taking place post disaster [since it means everyone else would already be dead]

[compact shale]

I remember Ako's "Assembly War" headcanons (Ako isn't in lorechat)

[keen shore]

Can you elaborate please?

[compact shale]

Like I said Ako isn't in lorechat so I don't know if it would be okay to ask her about it

[frigid tinsel]

that's honestly how I've viewed the Assembly spirits' situation – they fled to the Forest and went to create a new home far from the falling civilization, but they died before being able to create their refuge.

[native shoal]

Moths calling Mantas woowoos is the most adorable thing

[keen shore]

That’s basically my headcanon except instead of war it’s just all the effects of the disaster [corruption everywhere, lots of storms/earthquakes/natural disasters, water source is horribly polluted, and their original home is destroyed]

I have to wonder how they would manage to survive in forest, because it probably ties for wasteland for being the most inhospitable place to stay post disaster. It doesn’t seem that bad until you realize literally all of the water is corrupted, so hopefully you figure out how to purify it or you have to choose between dehydration, becoming corrupted from the inside out, or struggling to find water contained in other beings (like plants)

If the assembly kids weren’t from forest and didn’t know about the corruption, so tried to drink the water not knowing it was polluted, then that explains how they died. This is assuming they need water, but even if they don’t, the constant rain would be a struggle to deal with as well

[compact shale]

ooh boi imagine

seeing 7 lost kids with acid-wrecked bodies

uhhhh... lemme just blur that all out... yeah

[frigid tinsel]

darkness growing inside their bodies

[keen shore]

That is awful. I love it

[native shoal]

I mean when you stand in a puddle in forest it’s fine, it’s just when you’re being rained on that it drains your light

[compact shale]

Oooh darkness plants...
Oh no they're growing out of a small corpse
Oh no, I just realized the corpse has a yellow bandanna

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid tinsel]

didn't one of us say Scaredy Cadet had rabies cos they didn't want to step in the stream? yea...

[native shoal]

So I think the water is only dangerous if you’re submerged in Forest

[compact shale]

doesn't rabies affect your ability to DRINK water, not come in contact with it?

[frigid tinsel]

i mean i was thinking along the lines of how crabs have what I've deemed "darkness rabies"

[compact shale]

Lorechat rn

[native shoal]

Bro I wasn’t here for that season what’s going on?

[compact shale]

angst

[frigid tinsel]

yea i wasn't around for Assembly either

[native shoal]

I joined season of flight, it was a pretty lighthearted season

[frigid tinsel]

I'm a Little Prince moth, game broke my heart

[keen shore]

People in this chat have either been playing this game for over a year or joined in the last few months and there’s no in between

[sharp lichen]

Lorechat demographics?

[frigid tinsel]

someone in #sky-memes called Season of the Little Prince moths "old" and I was just... wut

[sharp lichen]

Nothing in demographics is just a coincidence: there is a reason for lack of month-old players

[keen shore]

I consider little prince moths like Little children - wait what do you mean that was like 5 months ago… oh no

[frigid tinsel]

I've been playing for 7 months. that was a w i l d realization

[native shoal]

Bro I joined last time the spin dancer was a traveling spirit

[sharp lichen]

“Old” or “new” isn’t as concrete as “moth” or “veteran”. Moths and veterans have good, agreed-upon definitions

[keen shore]

WHAT OH NO ITS BEEN SEVEN MONTHS SINCE TLP ?? I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN LIKE. THREE

[rigid mural]

they go on to say the parents had jobs as workers in the hidden forest too tho, could be that their parents are forest spirits but the assembly kids are linked in another way to lightseekers

[frigid tinsel]

isn't there both a Lightseeker and an Assembly kid with injured eyes?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but injured eyes is not a hereditary trait?

[rigid mural]

mama mia

[keen shore]

It’s a family tradition

[sharp lichen]

I have absolutely zero knowledge, experience, or passion for Lightseekers, so I’m not sure about all this

[rigid mural]

consider this: lightseeker mentors, assembly kids with forest spirits as parents being their students

[keen shore]

OHYES !

[compact shale]

Do we have enough Forest spirits for all of them tho? Or are they all single parents? (keep in mind that siblinghoods are left up to us, as said by Ash)

[sharp lichen]

Someone should really make a Sky family tree

[frigid tinsel]

context: Amander is one of my Sky OCs
"I'm 7 months old! I'm mature and responsible!"
spirits:

[sharp lichen]

TIME IS FLOWING TOO FAST FOR US LORE BOOMERS

[compact shale]

Sky: Time Dilation

[rigid mural]

i agree these two would have no braincells to share between eachother tho

[sharp lichen]

I have 21 months of Sky under my belt. Time will zoom on to my 2nd anniversary

[compact shale]

*reads the last sentence

Good question, Commodore! I'd tell you, but you might do something stupid.

[frigid tinsel]

idk i'm just thinking how weird age would be for skykids.
moths are newborns, but they're able to walk and mimic others well. they're not physically babies but are physically quite young. they're also new, they're children, they're little. but they also have huge responsibilities on their hands. trauma can hasten mental development in a devastating manner. some people portray skykids as growing up to be teenagers or young adults or even older, but is that assuming a long time has passed in their universes? they're kids, they're young. do they consider 7 months old mature? do they even have a common consensus of maturity?

[sharp lichen]

Do we even have a common consensus of time, at least in the Sky world?

[compact shale]

One of my first Assembly headcanons was
"Technically it's season of RE-assembly, March set most of the first treehouse on fire and now it's up to us to build from its remains"

[tulip aspen]

this is assuming the ancestors drink, but if not, i wonder how else polluted water could be detrimental to the kingdom

[native shoal]

Ceasing commodore seems nice, especially with how you write them

[keen shore]

Psst last sentence of the post <3

[native shoal]

Also maybe the coming of age thing is when they end their first season?

[tulip aspen]

oops lol am blind

[compact shale]

or after a certain number of edens

[native shoal]

The second time through Eden? I think that one is better because by then I knew what was going on and how to play the game, I was still a moth but I wasn’t a brand new player

[compact shale]

after you get jaded by Eden

[frigid tinsel]

hmm

[compact shale]

who's Nahiho?

[native shoal]

Bro the angst of the first time through Eden

[frigid tinsel]

another Sky OC, the other protag in my main Skyfic

[tulip aspen]

i am such a sucker for sentient life that exists on a completely different anatomical and lifespan-wise plane

bionicle was the first thing to absolutely instill that in me

[compact shale]

oh niiiiice

[native shoal]

The trauma of Eden makes the skykids mature fast

[frigid tinsel]

something about not feeling human for most of my life piques my interest in nonhuman people.

I've been mostly exploring that with the skykids and Elders. the ancestors are "mostly" human in my ficverse

[tulip aspen]

have you read bionicle books?

[frigid tinsel]

no

[tulip aspen]

vol would love them, they're fully mechanical but also because all beings in that universe are, the functions in their body are seen as biological

[lofty void]

BIONICLE OH MY GOD

I JUST GOT SENT BACK TO 2012 THE NOSTALGIA IS EMPOWERING ME

[sharp lichen]

Ninjago is better /extremelysrs

[low storm]

I can agree

[lofty void]

Both, both is good

[copper saffron]

i agree

[keen shore]

There are Two types of spirt

1. Punt the Child
2. immediate adoption

[half shadow]

hullo lorechat, it’s been a few days, just checking in to geek out about the abyss final quest SOOOOON AAAAA

[compact shale]

at least you're a fish

you don't have to worry about (BLUR)

[formal skiff]

It’s-
WHAT???

I’m a tlp moth WHAT no one told me I’ve been playing for SEVEN HECKIN MONTHS WHAT

[sharp lichen]

ITS NOT OUT YET

[formal skiff]

BUT IT WILL BE SOOOOOON I’M THRILLED

[half shadow]

YEAH I KNOW I WAS JUST EXPRESSING MY EXCITEMENT SORRY

[keen shore]

Two Days Left… I cannot wait To shoot some krill

[sharp lichen]

ON A MONDAY AWW

[formal skiff]

I’m scared but also EXCITED

[compact shale]

CORN

[frigid tinsel]

i predict that on Monday, this channel will be flooded witha plethora pics of the leviathan and many screaming

[formal skiff]

Yeah and I’m gonna be at school and I’m gonna miss it all 😭😭😭😭

[keen shore]

I’ll also arrive later because I wake up Late and will be avoiding this chat so I don’t get spoiled. I am planning to record the quest to help with theories though

[compact shale]

AND CORN

[frigid tinsel]

corn?

[keen shore]

Why corn? Are you going to turn krill into pop corn

[compact shale]

maybe

[frigid tinsel]

concern

[half shadow]

popcorn shrimp

[formal skiff]

N o

[native shoal]

Anything can become popcorn if you try hard enough

[compact shale]

it's real /srs

[formal skiff]

Yeah ik lol

[compact shale]

Oh, my, the final Abyss quest is (blur filter)
So much (blur filter) on your screen
So much (blur filter) done on you so so (blur filter)
It's quite the (blur filter) quest, y'know?

[keen shore]

Wow, I’m so excited for the abyss quest, with all its— [I am killed immediately by a sniper shot directly to the head.]

[compact shale]

"Oh hello, Can-" *gets one-shotted

[formal skiff]

Yeah oh my Megabird so much [blur filter] happens, you guys won’t believe it, [blur filter] is the biggest lorebomb since “Mantas eat gold”!

[keen shore]

I should stop talking about the abyss quest before I accidentally guess something that happens in it

[compact shale]

(no beta only speculation)

what if the 5th quest is about dodging cannoneer's attempts to kill us

[formal skiff]

Lmaoooo you’re gonna guess right thoooo

[compact shale]

The 5th quest is edgy as vocaloid

[formal skiff]

I’m pretty sure Salem might actually be the lore bible /j

[keen shore]

Oh no they’re onto me

[compact shale]

Sky: Perish, Heathen

[formal skiff]

And so begins The Great Siege of Salem, in which lorechat tries to shake info out of xem

[frigid tinsel]

You think they’re holding off on releasing Cannoneer’s character card cos it has info that’ll be more evident in the 5th quest so they want to wait til after?

[compact shale]

Cannoneer is under NDA rn

[lofty void]

Canoneer is on the FBI’s watchlist.

[formal skiff]

Whaaaaaaat you’re right I’d forgotten that hasn’t been released yeettttttt

My beloved arsonist gender envy character

[keen shore]

Yes

[compact shale]

What do you call someone who's shy but also a jerk?

[frigid tinsel]

a jerk

[formal skiff]

Yes lol

[compact shale]

dklsfhsdnsf

i just realized i forgot that passive aggressive is a thing

[formal skiff]

Oh.. yeah… it is indeed

[half shadow]

okay now this is actually really interesting

[compact shale]

Cannoneer is the true (blur) of this story

[rigid mural]

Are we gonna see how Cannonneer died lmao

[compact shale]

THIS GAME IS RATED 9+ WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK

[formal skiff]

They did something stupid

[half shadow]

you wanna know what’s crazy? spell “Cannoneer” backwards. that’s right. Leviathan.

[formal skiff]

Wow you’re RIGHT, cannoneer was the leviathan ALL ALONG!!!!!

[keen shore]

I mean, it’s happened before []

[rigid mural]

Nah they're just fainting

[native shoal]

Reenonnac the leviathan

[formal skiff]

Yeah….. we’ve already watched someone.. “faint”…..

[frigid tinsel]

"Fainting" Warrior

[raw crypt]

im gonna give the big krill a lil kissy on their forehead like i do to my cat

[native shoal]

Fainting warrior needs medical attention and then hugs

[compact shale]

Apparently moth me knew about this

[rigid mural]

Maybe fainting warrior got really dark humor and what was meant as a joke to lift the mood from the traumatic memory ended up backfiring horribly with all those worried sky kids.

[formal skiff]

This is priceless

[formal skiff]

Oh my Megabird how did you survive in wasteland with three stars-

[native shoal]

That was my first thought as well "Oh. He just Died."

[keen shore]

I believe cats are specifically built to make you want to give them a little forehead kiss

[white dagger]

as someone who just got done brushing their grandma's cat (an uncle cat daresay) i can confirm this
i just want to kith kith his little head but hes so small and old but also chomk

[compact shale]

I don't actually know, I recall Faint to be my first Wasteland spirit (yes, before the Refugee) so it wasn't krill

[slow portal]

the reason why cannoneer's mask is like that is because they tried to fistfight a krill and barely survived
in the 5th abyss quest we join cannoneer in fistfighting all the krill we unleashed

[white dagger]

actually
if cannoneer decided to shoot shoot instead of fistfight
how much damage would they even do
do krill have weakspots??

[compact shale]

set the ocean on fire

[formal skiff]

Magic then ig

[native shoal]

Even in the emote icon the eyes are X

[formal skiff]

True-

[keen shore]

My current theory is that the wasteland spears were used to take down krill, so they presumably have weak spots [maybe in between scales ?] but the spears might succeed in bringing them down just due to the sheer amount of added weight

[compact shale]

or trademark moth stupidity

[native shoal]

They just went “Oh megabird why is there a KID HERE” and tried to play it off as “I fainted don’t worry little child” even though in the cutscene while they might not have straight up died they passed out from presumed injuries and blood loss

I assume that the ancestors were flesh and blood but not human because then I get to imagine what the food was like

[compact shale]

awww

the ancestor changed their own memories for us

:(

[frigid tinsel]

it feels like TGC is leaning into the "ancestors were mostly human" even though there's some who would like to believe otherwise

[native shoal]

I think of it as once the memory is over they try and play it off by changing the emote

[frigid tinsel]

or it's how a new moth interprets death since they barely got a grasp of what death is at that point in their first journey

[native shoal]

True

I mean I didn’t know my sky kid could “die” until I was in Eden giving out my winged light then becoming a statue

So it makes sense that a moth wouldn’t know what death is, they just see that the spirits are Past and they are Now, but don’t realize that the gap in time meant that the spirits must have died

[keen shore]

Maybe that’s part of why the first Eden run would hit them so hard, they suddenly realize “oh. That’s what happened to everyone”

[native shoal]

Honestly the first eden run hits EVERYONE hard

[formal skiff]

Lol that too

[grim pumice]

Currently scribbling down everything I can for a fic about a season of dragons. Anyone have anything they’d like me to add?

[frigid tinsel]

it's your fic, you do what you want

[keen shore]

I don’t think I have anything to add, but even though I barely know anything about your idea, I am already invested just because it includes dragons

[native shoal]

Make the sky kid breathe fire, plausible because they have candles so all you need to do is make a whole lot of flame at once

[keen shore]

Are you planning on making a connection to the days of fortune dragon or do different dragons entirely?

[grim pumice]

It’s really just me coming up with an entire season based on cozy’s chats earlier today, and then making a story out of that from what I put together. so far, there are Elder spirits (I call them precursors for short) who need help locating this one spirit which ran away for unknown reasons to the Skid/player. As we go through the season, you find out more about the nature of Krill, how the elders went about them, how the elders which followed the first elders completely forgot the nature of said dragons and hurt themselves and the dragons during their “Industrialization”, etc etc

[formal skiff]

Krill Whisperer?

[grim pumice]

I’m half asleep so it may not all make sense rn but I’ll clean it up later. Pretty much, you are searching for a precursor elder which had a hard time dealing with understanding the different natures of the Dark Dragons, tried to treat them like normal creatures, got hurt, became super scared, and became VERY angry at the dark dragons for just doing what dark dragons do.

[frigid tinsel]

From the name, I had a feeling krill would be involved

[grim pumice]

The spirits I have include the “Worried Hunter” who has the “search” emote, and the “Fearless Dancer” who has a “Dragon Dance” emote which is similar to the crab dance emote

The whole message of said season I supposed to be, if we aren’t careful, industry can hurt animals, aaand we can’t forget the nature of animals despite attempts at domestication (think of gators, we see them in zoos, see a dude sit on them and feed them and such, doesn’t mean we should because omg dangerous)

It makes more sense if I write it on paper at the end, the Runaway spirit meets you with a dying dark dragon at Eden, and you have to sacrifice your WL to guide the dragon toward a new and better life (rebirth). Dark dragons can’t fight their nature in this season and you have to use their nature for their benefit (the spirits here are using Camouflage of sorts to stay somewhat safe and hide their light) even if it hurts you

So tadaaa that’s about it. I’m writing the dragons as Krill for now because I’m creatively limited lol

[keen shore]

I really like the way this concept paints krill as not monsters you have to fight, but animals guided by mostly instinct - the conflict being that their nature was only made harmful to ancestors via corruption so they seem almost like monsters

Sorry if that doesn’t make a ton of sense, am also half asleep, I just love the concept in general

[grim pumice]

Haha yup that’s what I was going for. Instinct and nature shouldn’t be fought against if it’s just for our benefit, which is what this season kinda points out. Like yeah, they’re scary, but they’re just doing what they do

Also, “glare” emote hurrhur

Ok imma sleep now, Gn and thank you for your time and input

[keen shore]

Sleep well!! Am super excited to see the finished concept

[rigid mural]

Who would win
A giant elder killing machine that may be the reason the area is underwater now
Or
A queer menace

[keen shore]

Sorry, I can’t tell which spirit you’re talking about vela, could be any one of them /j

[compact shale]

Meme without the e?

[keen shore]

I THINK it’s cannoneer and, if I am right, they could beat all the abyss krill singlehandedly. Maybe that’s what in the final quest ?

[compact shale]

Soup

[keen shore]

Hmmmn , krill soup… tasty

[compact shale]

And then Cannoneer burns it in front of everyone

Only for Angler to serve them the worst part

[lofty void]

Mem?

[keen shore]

I imagine cannoneer as either being an awful cook because for some reason they prefer burned tasting food. No one else can understand why

[frigid tinsel]

They just can’t help but burn everything they touch

[native shoal]

They like their toast charred

[lofty void]

How to summon me:
Mention either the valley elders or Mem

[native shoal]

Someone watched them do it and banned them from the kitchen

[frigid tinsel]

Oh heyguess what angst fic I’m editing right now instead of doing my homework

[keen shore]

Hey Anzu quick question. Can you give mem a cat named mlem? Ty

[lofty void]

p. E r ha ps

[compact shale]

I like to think they are the stove of the team

[frigid tinsel]

I need to be in that server with that bot

[keen shore]

Fun Fact: the reason the abyss boat is made out of stone is because the cannoneer somehow managed to burn down the former wooden ship, despite it being in water at the time

[atomic grove]

So is there like a page/link that tells the lore of sky? Like where the dark came from and why? And about the krill and stuff? And whatever is up with eden

[compact shale]

That’s a tupper ||operated by yours truly||

Sure I’ll dm the link to you and Salem

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a lore moth doc somewhere that gets the basics of things

[native shoal]

Cannoneer committing arson for 6 hours straight when someone wants to do a slow roast so they can cook it

[keen shore]

Cannoneer is the type of person to think that if you normally cook something for 20 minutes at 300 degrees, you can cook it faster and get the same result by cooking it at 1200 degrees for 5 minutes

[compact shale]

I have a comic about Cannoneer cooking

[rigid mural]

Cannoneer cooks like Undyne

[keen shore]

Cannoneer has definitely attempted to cook an egg on a manta before

[native shoal]

Cannoneer discovered the cooking eggs on a sidewalk on a really hot day thing

[keen shore]

Do you think they would cook using us

[native shoal]

They gather like 10 sky kids ‘alright everyone candles together—you! Get the chibi a stool!’ And then they make krill fried rice using the candle flames

[keen shore]

Oh, I meant like… putting us in the soup pot and letting our inner light cook things. This works too

[compact shale]

Before killing us or after killing us?

[native shoal]

I mean if they killed us they would be eating statue

[frigid tinsel]

Dead skykids are without light so

[keen shore]

Neither, if you kill us our inner light goes out so you can’t cook with it [ONLY reason we are still alive]

[native shoal]

They teach them the level 4 cackling emote and have them all do it at once to flash roast a crab

[pastel brook]

To those vulnerable to flashing animated emoji: Did you know you can deactivate animated emoji? ("Discord App Settings" ⚙️ → "Accessibility" → "Play animated emoji") Hopefully this can be a protective measure for you

[compact shale]

Thanks…?

[keen shore]

They Finish and it falls apart into a pile of ashes

[compact obsidian]

how did we get from cadet to canoneer

[native shoal]

Idk something about cannoneer fist fighting a krill

[keen shore]

Both start with Cs Next question

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat loves Cannoneer, it’s on the bingo card

[native shoal]

Are wooly mantas on there

[compact shale]

We got from Cadet to the spirit Cadet would get along with the least

[keen shore]

I love all the abyss spirits equally ❤️ cackling cannoneer, anxious angler and [glances at blurred writing on hand] bumblebee boatsauce /j

[native shoal]

And ceasing commodore

[compact shale]

Bumblesmee boatsmee

[keen shore]

Thank you for correcting me on their name !

[native shoal]

Bumpling Botswana

[frigid tinsel]

Siggonsiyo

[compact shale]

The Name That Yields Zero Results When Searched On Google

[keen shore]

That’s their surname

[frigid tinsel]

Cos I made it up for the fic

[compact shale]

I know but that’s still an achievement by all means

[native shoal]

My favorite is ceasing commodore honestly

[compact shale]

A friend of mine worships them

[atomic grove]

Um do you have more sky comics?

[native shoal]

Friendly Grandpa energy, soft cape that I’ll be able to get tomorrow

[compact shale]

Just one

[atomic grove]

These are great, you should make one for every spirit

[native shoal]

That’s a lot of spirits

[compact shale]

I have a lot of scenarios that can become comics but the next one doesn’t have spirits unfortunately

[frigid tinsel]

Just make what you wanna make

[tranquil harbor]

Bumbling Buccaneer's coat and hat are extremely popular tho. Apparently the coat is a new 'handsome player' item

[frigid tinsel]

I can see why. Look at my dapper skid

[compact shale]

predictably so

[tranquil harbor]

The hat is popular among chibis and anyone who likes the scouts aesthetic

[lofty void]

I just use it for my skid who totally doesn’t kin a certain blue person with questionable morals.

[compact shale]

Bloo?

[half shadow]

extremely dapper, perhaps even swag

[rigid mural]

Papa smurf ?

[tranquil harbor]

How dare you accuse Papa Smurf of having questionable morals!

[lofty void]

no

[half shadow]

its vriska

[compact shale]

Admiring Actor?

[rigid mural]

Vriska is grey tho

[frigid tinsel]

Is that Homestuck?

[lofty void]

JJAHAHAHJAJ no

[compact shale]

Rhythm Guide? Mem? Some spirit you will never ascend?

[half shadow]

well yeah but she wears a blue jacket thingyanyways

[rigid mural]

Vriska is mostly grey, it's just her blood that's blue

[tranquil harbor]

It's not Holt Hyde

[half shadow]

vela i love your new icon

[lofty void]

none of you will ever know

[tranquil harbor]

crualty

[compact shale]

is it "Alia"?

[lofty void]

who is alia?? ali a????????

[rigid mural]

Thanks

[tranquil harbor]

at least tell us if they're anime, viddy game, or other media type

[half shadow]

one of the best hairs in the game bc of that hat

[lofty void]

viddy game. i will say no more

[tranquil harbor]

We need a long hair version too

[rigid mural]

I was broke after sword pants and only could buy the cape

[half shadow]

oh god F

[compact shale]

Hair evolution by @/Windwalker#5669

[rigid mural]

Oh damn that looks like a Digimon evolution line

[tranquil harbor]

One of the worst mechanics in the game. You save for a nice thing but it's locked behind something spensive so you can't afford it even if you could afford the price outright. Happened to me with the chibi mask when I wanted the dress. I've come to appreciate the mask more now that I've realized I can be chibi moth lol

[frigid tinsel]

I dislike how this is accurate for both my skykids

[compact shale]

wdym lmao

[tranquil harbor]

If you like long hair, the evolution is tearful light miner, to levitating adept, to possibly Kizuna AI

[compact shale]

Kizuna used too much hair spray

[rigid mural]

Not the tearful lightminer to levitating adept hair, those are my first two hairs in that order 😂

[tranquil harbor]

Same Vela. Same.

I wasn't the biggest fan of the pink streaks in the Kizuna hair, but they look great with the flower crown. Once I get the Sakura cape, it'll be a great days of bloom look. I like the bangs and how thing it is compared to how poofy (and janky) the levitating adept can end up looking, but like, pink streaks can clash with my clothes

[compact shale]

hhhhh maybe I'll get it at the very last day lol idk

[tranquil harbor]

It's fun to add the bow to my chibi moth look for Chibi Moth Deluxe. I ended up getting use out of every item but the cape.

[rigid mural]

Levitating adept hair is so good, it just clips all the time.
Speaking of, did adept steal the hair of other vault spirits, they're almost all bald

[lofty void]

Adept stole their weaves and combined them to make a megaweave

[tranquil harbor]

Places of knowledge and Academia are often filled with old dudes who have either went grey or lost all their hair

[frigid tinsel]

as someone in academia, i can see why

[rigid mural]

HELP

[compact shale]

are you one of them

[tranquil harbor]

Alasdair actually over 90-years-old. More news at 11

[rigid mural]

I saw some ppl interpret the spirits as being hooded like the elder

[tranquil harbor]

Is that a hood? It's white when our sky kids get it, so I just thought it was incredibly complex hair

[frigid tinsel]

I have been losing hair in the last two years due to stress but I still have an impressive 'fro

[compact shale]

YOU HAVE AN AFRO IRL?!

WooWoo: ?!mrwo?!

[tranquil harbor]

This doesn't surprise me actually. I've noticed people with afros irl love to have them in games too

[frigid tinsel]

why do you think i criticize Sky's afro physics? I got the experience

[compact shale]

what's wrong with sky's afro p6

[frigid tinsel]

it's like they designed the afro like a hollow hackey sack instead of many multiple strands of hair

[rigid mural]

[Discord didn't load my message in time]

[tranquil harbor]

I think if they designed it like that the game would keel over and die before exploding

Edit: I just realized the Levitating Adept hair essentially levitates

[rigid mural]

To Alasdair's credit, a lot of stuff still clips inside the afro.

[compact shale]

Apparently Kizuna's hair doesn't have boing boing

[frigid tinsel]

i totally wasn't about to send a selfie in a public discord with 400k people no no no
it's 1am

[rigid mural]

It's ok you give off epic afro vibes, king

[tranquil harbor]

Kizuna hair does not go boing boing.
And while stuff does clip inside the Afro, lots of other things also clip (our entire child clips into quest spirits when they offer hugs, among other areas) so I don't really see it as an afro issue because it spans the whole game.

[rigid mural]

Uhhhh... but the spirits kinda make sense to clip through tho...

[tranquil harbor]

Our kids clip into each other as well, I will not yeild just because spirits are spirits. But hair styles really need to account for hats I swear to megabird

[rigid mural]

TGC could change the flight bird's placement depending on hairstyles, I don't see why they can't fix other hats like the flower crown.

[tranquil harbor]

But I saw these chibis in buccaneer's hat who were using the two different afro puff hairs, and naturally they poked out of the hat and it was so cute I wanted to cry

[frigid tinsel]

the two poofball ponytails?

[compact shale]

I guess that's a gameplay thing

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah those. I've heard they were called afro puffs but -shrug-

[compact shale]

*recalls that one incident about afro puffs

[frigid tinsel]

i could wear the flower crown well with the dreadlocks and the ponytails but not the afro, I was actually looking forward to that but I can't say I wasn't surprised.

[frigid tinsel]

do i want to know

[compact shale]

let's just say it's NOT in Sky

[rigid mural]

If it's the animal crossing drama, let's not.

[tranquil harbor]

Ah yes, I know that controversy

[compact shale]

Yeah, let's not

[rigid mural]

Anyway I like the fanart of braid chains people draw the abyss crew doing, I bet they do eachothers braids like this

[frigid tinsel]

i imagined Cannoneer braiding a bunch of skykids' hair in their style

[compact shale]

Secret song: "Braid Shanty"

[tranquil harbor]

I like to imagine that when you buy hair from spirits, they literally sit down with your kid and do their hair to teach them how it's done.

[compact shale]

First, you honk so hard you rapunzel your hair out.

Second, they get a pair of scissors and teach you how it's done.

[rigid mural]

Cannoneer doing our hair...? 😳

[tranquil harbor]

I thought their hair was made of light, so lengthening it wasn't necessarily a problem, compared to shaping it. Once an ancestor teaches them how it goes, it's way easier for them.

[compact shale]

Cannoneer: Alright, ye done with ye base?
Skykid with rapunzel-long hair: Honk
Cannoneer: Alrighty. *burns half their hair off

[lofty void]

JAJSHSHHDHSHAHHSH

[tranquil harbor]

It becomes funny when you imagine the huge elders having to do it (tho there is an adorable comic of a sky baby messing up and forest mama has to fix it)

[compact shale]

Ayin: Oh, you want my hair?
Skykid with rapunzel-long hair: Honk
Ayin: Hehe, okay. *turns most of their hair into butterflies

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, it’s light and if you’re a being of light that can manipulate light, it can be easy to shape and resize your hair. But it’s a question of knowing how to get from point A to point B.
I imagine it gets easier overtime where skids can eventually just will their hair a certain way, but the first times they’re trying a hairstyle they have to shape their hair manually and really think about it

[tranquil harbor]

Which is why the ancestor doing it would be necessary. Once the sky kid knows how the hair feels, poof, they golden

[lofty void]

Cant imagine how the valley elders do your hair

[compact shale]

Imagine if a skykid tries to cut their own hair with Eden rock scissors and they end up with... unfortunate bangs

[frigid tinsel]

Giggling

[lofty void]

Wdym those bangs are kinda nice looking

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe with the smaller elders, like Vault (assuming it's not a hood) and Valley, but their fingers are so big... Maybe they use their elder wisdom to talk your kid thru the process. If you've completed the whole constellation, your kid probably has some hair experience

[frigid tinsel]

They’d have to change their hair texture too for different styles

[compact shale]

with their cricket sticks

@lofty void I doubt it would look too good irl lolol. Literally one of the first things this character does is mess up their bangs. And they're embarassed about it for a few seconds. The real kicker is that they're a magical girl and no, the transformation doesn't make their bangs better

[lofty void]

IJWHSHDHHSJAJANXJSJAHHS 💀💀💀 NO O OO O O O

[tranquil harbor]

There was a cute idea somewhere that the opposite Valley elder is the one to fix your hair to the style you want

[frigid tinsel]

oh hey Valley Elder(s) doing their hair in the angst fic

[compact shale]

I have a hc that if skykids have hair-growth rituals, they cut it by normal means (or Eden rocks, though that might be risky) and they grow it by running their mitts through it

[tranquil harbor]

Do you think all sky kid cosmetics are projections, or does somebody actually make u clothes?

[compact shale]

Most go with the former

The latter would be cute but incredibly inconvenient in various situations

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, if the clothes aren't projections, it'd make sense we have to pay for them. Either the spirit has to make them for you, or they have to tell you where they bought it

[compact shale]

I have a joke that you pay for the copyright so that you can replicate it

[tulip aspen]

who made this?

[compact shale]

me

[tulip aspen]

LMAO

[tulip aspen]

WHAT

I FOLLOW YOU ON IG
SBKD FKBRLBRL

bru it evem literally says fruity on the account i am astronomic brain

at this point i prolly follow every single artist in this chat and wouldnt even know, just like posts when they shows up on my feed smh

see the thing is, these crabs are tiny, and so are their bell shells, so their bells can't be the big ones from forest and prairie

but where else have we seen bells like these?

so far I've only found one example...

[compact shale]

Hoho

I'd like to know how they were made

I'd like to turn the homebell into a crab

Crabs are a lot more likeable

[tulip aspen]

i like my "true dark creature" concept of them being abyssal Light anomalies from deep within the the lowest points of the ocean where Light is suffocated in the darkness to form beasts like leviathans and the bell spiders, but unfortunately it was just a means to an end for another theory, and doesnt really have evidence at all

[compact shale]

if we yeet the home bell into the abyss, will it turn into a crab?

[tulip aspen]

it's more leaning on the fact that

1. the ocean in isle rose so
2. there used to be much more land in isle just behind where the beginning area is, with forests and open deltas and probably more civilization

[silver verge]

What happened to eden

[sly kestrel]

A lot

[half shadow]

a few things

[compact shale]

the king screwed up

[half shadow]

it’s what sky historians collectively refer to as the sky kingdoms first Epic Fail

[hushed steeple]

Hi Lore chat, this is a statue that a player encounters right after death, on the ascent to Orbit.
It has a tall hat like a Vault scholar, face like a Skykid's, a big sword type thing that hangs vertical from the back, a shield that looks like a wheel, and a power diamond in their hands.
Their robes look like an Elder's robes.
Could this be the Eden Elder? The King?

[nimble ingot]

There is evidence to support that.
It is holding a diamond and has a halo behind them.
That js what the stone decoration behind them is.

There is not other mural or statues that depicts this type of glowing, other than that of the King/Prince.

[tranquil harbor]

The theory that the king is just a sky kid on stilts inside a trench coat lives on

[compact shale]

KING UNMASKED (NOT CLICKBAIT)

[compact obsidian]

imagine the sky kid from ushering stargazer's memory

now imagine this

[hushed steeple]

I landed on their head and didn't see anything like a halo, though?

…I landed on the King's head

[compact shale]

Orbit stole King's mask /j

I mean, if it was built to, Orbit stealing the King statues' masks would be symbolically accurate actually dnsdahg

[harsh pecan]

Its possible

[nimble ingot]

did a message get deleted about a krill whisperer?

[night pecan]

how big are krill

[nimble ingot]

An exact measurement?
Not sure. Someone here might be able to measure a krill in some way?

[night pecan]

i remember seeing somewhere that krill are __ sky kids long

though i don't remember the number but we have the height of skids!

[nimble ingot]

this, perhaps?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[night pecan]

thank ya kindly

[boreal nebula]

A "squared" boat in new Sanctuary Trench and it is even huge!!

[night pecan]

ohogh chonky

[dry ivy]

What is dis

[compact shale]

A thing that supposedly helps with server merges. Don't ask how.

[nimble ingot]

A buddy statue (not its official name)
It just appeared one day after an update.

[soft timber]

It appeared after an update and I find it oddly calming

[dry ivy]

@nimble ingot @compact shale well that’s weird

I saw it and thought it might be for a furniture space or whatever you call it, but it didn’t activate so

It is awfully pretty!

It’s a moth I suppose! Wings outstretched

Looks like a little Angel tho

[compact shale]

Maybe it was made by someone who knew of our coming

[dry ivy]

(But they forgot to install it until much later lol)/jk

It could be! I don’t know if there are any such statues anywhere else in Sky (yet), so it certainly is a little oddity

[compact shale]

Yeah

Who are you, small buddy?

[dry ivy]

Too cute—gonna call it Small Buddy now

[formal skiff]

I want it to be my friend, it’s so cute

[tranquil harbor]

If it appeared after an update... Maybe a spirit put it there?

[formal skiff]

How

[tranquil harbor]

Fuel for my 'spirits continue to have a society' theory (flimsy, wet twig fuel)

[compact shale]

Yeah

I mean

I WISH we could do society with spirits

But that's not our purpose

[tranquil harbor]

If our job is to help them in the rebirth process it could be.
I have more to my theory gimme a sec to write it

I've mentioned before, but with some spirits, like Skater and the Abyss crew, we don't actually seem to be reliving memories. They're interacting with us and we're apart of and contributing to whatever they're doing.

So the basic idea is: The ancestors aren't dead dead. Whatever the great disaster did, it essentially tossed them into a sky kid style rebirth cycle. They exist in this new form, and they're called spirits, but they ascend and are reborn to keep doing their thing just like the kids.

Except they're absolute garbage at ascension. Completely terrible. The sky kids' job is to essentially use their light and act as adorable ferrymen. You help a spirit get ready to ascend (in game as reliving memories or otherwise), and then you take them up to orbit with you, where you and the spirits are reborn. The spirits continue on doing whatever they do until they're ready to ascend again.

Things like reliving the same memories again and again, or empty stadium seats at the race despite lots of applause? All for gameplay and technical convenience.

Knowing my luck someone is going to have an entire document on why that's utter nonsense

I'd rather y'all tell me it sounds like nonsense then just go radio silent and have me murder the chat

[rigid mural]

Seems like the ancestors are dead dead

[tranquil harbor]

Dead dead is different from just dead

[rigid mural]

By all means go on your line of thinking tho, it's interesting.

[tranquil harbor]

There just isn't a word for their unique state of being because obviously we can't have spirits like them irl, if they exist at all. The concept of a spirit irl and what sky does are disconnected from each other

But besides young skater and the abyss crew, there are more examples of spirits existing as more than just memories to be relived. The light seekers look after the trees, granny feeds us (and we can hug both, it's not necessarily just a memory!), the traveling spirits keep coming to visit us. Spirits from previous seasons can come back for holidays. It's all evidence for the spirits not just being 'ascend and never come back', clearly they're still apart of the not orbit world somehow

If you hear spirit irl you think something dead that can't interact with the living, but the world of sky has death and rebirth as a natural part of things. So I don't think 'dead' in this specific instance applies like it normally does

That's about all I have off the top of my head for now tho. My kid has been sitting in the frozen water trial tundra in a sleeveless dress for the past several minutes, I should probably collect the winged light

[formal skiff]

That’s actually really interesting, Ennarcia

[tranquil harbor]

Everyone else's theories tend to be so... angsty by nature, and I've already been ridiculously wrong in how I've viewed things in the game before, so I get self conscious about my theories

[formal skiff]

Yeah that’s understandable, you bring up some good points here though, with tons of examples of spirits “sticking around.”
My oc Finch was raised by Butterfly and Sneaky so it would be really great for that if your theory was true lol. It would make their backstory actually plausible.

[tranquil harbor]

My serious theories come from a place of logic, I swear, but I'm also new, so I don't know if the Devs revealed something in the past to contradict me or somebody discovered some mural or secret by like, chibi falling thru wasteland elder's head when I don't mess with glitches yet.
I'm fine with not being right, the lore is vague, but being so thoroughly wrong feels like crap

[rigid mural]

I like to think the ancestors theoretically could ascend and never come back, but most don't want us to be alone so they come back down to hang out :]

[formal skiff]

I get that. Sometimes I have the urge to theorize, but I’m also really new to lorechat and I feel like there’s too much I don’t know so I’m too scared of sounding stupid to make any theories

[tranquil harbor]

Exactly! You think you're on to something but then a lore chat vet comes in here with something that invalidates the whole book u just wrote and u know they're not being mean but you also feel like the biggest idiot alive

It's a mortifying risk to take

[rigid mural]

You'll find your marks over time, no need to stress about sounding dumb.
Lore-chasing kinda irks me because it's kind of agressive in finding the absolute truth in a game meant to be vague and pretty surreal tbh... As intimidating as paragraphs from older lore nerds are, they aren't devoid of bias or mistakes. You just can't see them yet.

I think newcomers are fun because they haven't read the (outdated) lore docs yet, so they tend to have some unique ideas !

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, I'm willing to discuss things that are legitimately false if it means finding a thread to something else interesting. (But the second I'm even remotely confident about something it's just like don't even look at me I don't want to know)

[rigid mural]

The pins are a good source of info not a lot of people check too. I am guilty of that, but in my defense, I am trying to balance my hobbies rn

[tranquil harbor]

Arg Lore chat isn't about being right but I don't know how to discuss it in terms beyond 'true or false'. Like obviously in cases like Eden there is a storm there and claiming nothing ever went down there is hot nonsense, but for the vague stuff it's just interesting to theorize at all even if we don't have concrete stuff.

[rigid mural]

You will find people here have quite different views once you recognize names.

[tranquil harbor]

My lack of vocab is frustrating. I can't convey what I want to convey

[rigid mural]

Like, lore chat regulars aren't a monolith, lots of good ideas but we seldom agree on everything. You're gonna be fine, I like reading what you have to say even if I don't always answer because I'm starting to lurk more and more lol

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I get that. I also get that when someone says 'the veterans' it can give off this vibe of like 'the betters', even when that's not really what's being said. It's just frustrating to work hard on something and it turns out it's the one time sky decided to not be vague with their lore and you are just super wrong.

[rigid mural]

Veterans are just here for longer and thus lived through changes or just have more experience, there's indeed a bit of prestige to, say, having seen the lost stream (stellify please interact) but otherwise vets aren't that special.

[sharp lichen]

I’ve noticed that the word “veteran” gives off a feeling of eliteness, both in Sky lore and the Sky community on general

[tranquil harbor]

Because they got all the pretty cosmetics lol
But in general a 'veteran' in any setting implies experience, which is 'elite' in a lot of aspects of human culture, not just sky

Like, someone with the experience to know what they're doing can be 'trusted' to keep doing it. Naturally, the world isn't that black and white, but the connotations are certainly there

[rigid mural]

Plus most players that people recognize as vets ingame are people that could afford a pass to get the ults.
I know an enchantment vet that doesn't have any old ult, so...

On lore chat, vets are just people that have been here for a good amount of time, you can see Kitsuu on screenshots when the blue Eden oob was posted here for example.
[Sorry, thought they left the server but they are actually still around.]

[native shoal]

I see lore as a ‘hey wouldn’t this be cool/sad/interesting’

[elder torrent]

Are there any links or videos where I could see about sky lore? I got interested but I dunno where to start

[tranquil harbor]

and given how vague this game is, it kinda is how it be. But in specific cases like, 'nothing bad ever happened in eden, there is no storm' it stops being lore and becomes an au

[rigid mural]

Check the pins in this chat !

[elder torrent]

Okay, thank you

[frigid tinsel]

A Sky Lore vet may appear they have things figured out but they don’t cos nothing is tangible

[tranquil harbor]

We are all chickens with our heads cut off, but sky lore vets have learned how to walk in a straight line. They're still headless chickens tho

[rigid mural]

You just assimilate what we know so far so your theories have more bases to stand on, but really, with a game that vague, anything is possible. All it takes is a season with a few retcons to flip the theories we have on their head

[tranquil harbor]

Ah retcons. Truly delicious

[frigid tinsel]

Something something skykids breathing

[rigid mural]

Prophecy

[tranquil harbor]

Was Prophecy retconned or did y'all just guess incorrectly about info that hadn't been revealed yet?

[rigid mural]

The arrival of the season was with a few changes, for example, Ushering Stargazer (previously Ushering Migrant) and Pointing Candlemaker (previously Pointing Pilgrim) had their memories completely changed.

[tranquil harbor]

You got any vids of the old ones?

[rigid mural]

Likely old vids on youtube, I came here the day Sky dropped on switch so I don't have any on me right now.

[tranquil harbor]

Fair, it was more 'do you know where to look' anyway

[frigid tinsel]

Give me a minute

[rigid mural]

I think Nastymold has some.

[tranquil harbor]

I thought Nastymold would be a dude when I saw their name. That was whiplash

[frigid tinsel]

https://youtu.be/Pk9PTe_mSBA
Pointing Pilgrim at 1:37
Ushering Migrant at 2:48

[tranquil harbor]

woohoo I get to be lazy!

[static meteor]

im late to this chat but while i occasionally pop in with input i'm mostly a lurker absorbing what you people say and compiling my own headcanons in the background

[lofty void]

looks at Abyss

[tranquil harbor]

what did abyss retcon

[lofty void]

Breathing 💀

[static meteor]

what's the working theory on that right now anyway

[frigid tinsel]

From my anatomy doc (WIP)

[rigid mural]

Lmaooo, I don't really think much about anatomy.

Abyss lets us explore an old factory, and shows the ancestors themselves had their own ruins to explore. I like the idea of spirits surviving after the apocalypse but dying out before the first player sky kid landed here.

[frigid tinsel]

This is still a WIP cos this is opinionated

[tranquil harbor]

Dang, the pointer and usherer really just acted as 'kid get your butt to the temple aready' tutorials huh?

[static meteor]

ooh i like this theory

[rigid mural]

Pointing Candlemaker being a fatherly figure to new moths is one of my fave headcanons.
They even go through the trouble of meeting you in the prairie social area to make sure you safely made it

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, no wonder they got retconned, there isn’t much substance to their memories

[tranquil harbor]

they do? Or is that more headcanon? I wasn't paying attention when I first started the game. Everything was shiny

[rigid mural]

They do ! It's the tutorial to teach you how spirit trees work !

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t relived the Isle spirits in a while so maybe I should check those out

[tranquil harbor]

Oh that was the same guy?

[sly pasture]

that's really interesting! If Skykids can draw light from heat, they can also lose light from the cold (as in, underwater and Forest rain)

[tranquil harbor]

the water trial

Interestingly enough, Valley, the water trial not in water, and the air trial don't seem to bother your kid despite the obvious snow. Perhaps it's different with wind?

[sly pasture]

I feel like the Trials are more like metaphysical locations, so the hazards don't actually affect your kid, they're there as means to test your virtue (In Water Trial, it's Patience)

[tranquil harbor]

the true trial of patience is fire

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve written about the Water Trial water being too “cold” hence why it de-lights skids: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
And: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Lore vet status is when you’re able to use yourself as a reference /j

[tranquil harbor]

Lore vet privileges

Winged light has been described as like, the after thoughts of sky children when they all gathered at the same place enough times right? A large part of the game is being kind and helping others, and, while I know it's concept, light once stood for community and togetherness. I wonder if that's why winged light protects us. It's the lingering kindness of sky children given shape/power

It could also explain why it helps us fly, since 'they're helping us reach new heights'

[frigid tinsel]

Power of friendship

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah but legit

[rigid mural]

My thoughts on this topic because I am emotional ^^^

[tranquil harbor]

I hope we just made u cry and something bad ain't happening to u irl

[tulip aspen]

nothing is certain, and everything we know 'for sure' could change at a whim

and i love that

it's scary
it's frustrating
and it's so fun for me

[rigid mural]

No I'm just emotional over my headcanon, Sky is a beautiful game.

[tranquil harbor]

When you're new it feels kinda like your teacher made you get up to read a book report you haven't studied for properly (and the book report is on a single book from 1600 BC that only has one copy in existence) and yet all of your classmates know this and u don't

[frigid tinsel]

Me in class discussing a reading I hadn’t read for the umpteenth time

[tulip aspen]

yeah, to me all themes of ascension and becoming free again seem to be emotional and internal battles of will to fly away, i see that in the spirits, the statues, and i see that in in the skykids