lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

mm
i think it's moreso that darkstone is just magnified somehow by Light essence

power diamonds sure are, anyways

[nimble ingot]

I dont know what mantas eat in general.
But can imagine that it might help wirh digestion.
Perhaps, it is the power within darkstone that makes the manta more powerful.

[maiden fog]

Spirits??

[delicate anvil]

It's "dankeschön"- I'm so sorry but i had to correct you😭

[sacred mauve]

I think that the sky children are made out of clay, and the “light” brought them to life

[tulip aspen]

hmm maybe

[tulip aspen]

thats why i said its jam language xD thx tho, i dont visit my oma as much as i should

[compact shale]

That's a common consensus, yes

[burnt cove]

Sky kids bodies are made up of 70% charcoal,20% of clay and 10% of Ash.

[compact shale]

Heyyyy Ash... :3 :3 :3

[rugged oyster]

[burnt cove]

Sky kids biology is really hard to understand

[compact shale]

You're right
especially after the Abyss update came out

[nimble ingot]

10% Ash.

Are you saying skykids are a tenth of the power of the great Ash? XD (j/)

[tulip aspen]

omg its Raiden from MGR

[compact shale]

I mean, that wouldn't be half-bad at all

[tulip aspen]

n o

[compact shale]

one does not simply speak of those times

bahahaha ☕☕

[tulip aspen]

let it be known i never said this, and claim constantly and always that all living creatures in Sky are, were, or are technically Beings of Light, including ancestors

[burnt cove]

@tulip aspen so you know me huh?

[gilded socket]

Ok now I'm even more confused

[burnt cove]

@nimble ingot the powdery residue left after the burning of a substance.

[harsh pecan]

Are you and Raider like close or something

[nimble ingot]

No XD
I did not even know there was a Raiden or Raidana on this channel.

[compact shale]

I've heard of a "Raiden" before

...the kind of Raiden who can pull a sword out of their sternum

[tulip aspen]

lapis either didnt read, or was... sabotaging?
idek anymore, it's just not my problem la sigh

[gilded socket]

Well anyways
That concept art does go against what you said

[tulip aspen]

that's not raiden
thats jack
the ripper

how so @gilded socket ?

[burnt cove]

I am a cyborg

[gilded socket]

Ok
This is what I infer
Sky kids seem to mostly fall in the hybrid category, a mix of light and darkness. I do see how that makes sense as a sky kid's light seems to be present but hidden in a few materials made of darkness.
Skykids also seem to be able to transition between light and darkness.

The fact that ancestors and light creatures are put in entirely different sections of the venn diagram makes me think that they aren't exactly the same. And that perhaps skykids serve as some sort of bridge between them.

Then again it could be a design choice considering ancestors know how to use light even before developing technology.

[harsh pecan]

Raiden Shogun :D

[tulip aspen]

tom zhao's concept there is not literal

those who see it as literal call ancestors on some sort of 'darkness spectrum', which isn't accurate

that concept is namely just to show themes, mostly moral themes, of what is good and pure and what is corrupted and lifeless

a better way to explain it is that that spectrum given is actually about light, and how much of it you have / how much of it makes up you

one corner equals 100% Light, the other equals 0% Light

creatures of light are on the far side of the Light spectrum, while ancestors lean more towards having no Light

Skykids are right in the middle, having less Light than a light creature, but far more Light than an ancestor

.
we know this because ancestors arent evil or inherently corrupted/full-of-darkness

in the finished version of the story, they are just Beings of Light (who need to return to the Light; their home) who have been overtaken by the darkness

even BEFORE they were corrupted, they simply just didn't have any much Light to begin with; just hollow beings

and now we must all go visit welcoming man

none of you better buy my mask i stg /hj

[burnt cove]

Interesting

[burnt cove]

The general chat is going crazy

[gilded socket]

what
Wait the travelling spirit is here

[compact shale]

yeah it happens

we are very hyped

like shaking and all

mroo

[harsh pecan]

I forgot

[burnt cove]

What the heck is that?

[compact shale]

A wooly manta

Lorechat's cutest inside joke and possibly also mascot

[burnt cove]

Not bad looks really fluffy

[gilded socket]

A hypothetical creature of a chat of hypothetics

[copper saffron]

i dont know why it took me so long to watch the switch trailer but dayum yeah that's a lot of lore
i see why people say that krills might once have been light creatures, they seem to be riding something that resembles one

where did those horns come from though O_O
and why did only they get corrupted?
how did they keep the corruption to a relatively small area?

[compact shale]

who made this

[nimble ingot]

I did, with permission from Vela.
The others are their drawings.

[compact shale]

Awwwww
*gibs pats to sneepy woolie

[nimble ingot]

Out of interest, who knows the origin of the wooly manta?

[harsh pecan]

Awwwww

[harsh pecan]

Idk

[compact shale]

in a nutshell, this

[nimble ingot]

Unless I am mistaken, the wooly manta is from a drawing Vela did based on a what if the Little Prince asked a skykid to draw a sheep.

[compact shale]

It dates farther than that

Here's the unabridged version of the origin convo
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

First iteration
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

Wooly Manta lore

[nimble ingot]

You can ask Vela about it, I may not be allowed to forward a drawing they shared to show what I mean.

[compact shale]

can you dm me the drawing they were talking about?

also the first accounts is from a witness and discord search lol

[weary escarp]

…I’m just gonna start writing lore books for the game now

wish me luck

this will be one hell of a passion project, also helps me improve my writing for school stuff, expect destiny-style lore books

if anybody wants to join in, a DM is always welcome, a writing team would be amazing and might even evolve into a server

[boreal nebula]

New Abyss Fish and how they were after release

[compact shale]

less yellow now, but still knifey as ever, huh?

[nimble ingot]

🔪 🐟

sky sword fish, lol

[compact shale]

I have an edit where I made Commodore wield a giant knife fish

[nimble ingot]

lol, imagine the power in one swipe of that.

[sharp lichen]

What we could’ve gotten

[compact shale]

FERMENT GRAPE

[plucky tendon]

The comparison between a normal red candle and ours

[compact shale]

we wield the power of chibicandle /j

[raw crypt]

it seems lightseekers do the same set of emotes when drawing light (Butterfly lvl 4, hug, daydream/spell animation thing)

[tranquil harbor]

I saw mine duck and cover today like the one wasteland hiding spirit you get in the same area

[raw crypt]

Ah yeah crab call did that on my end too, wasteland must have them on edge 😔

[tranquil harbor]

It's a nice touch tbh

[compact shale]

Someone saw them do the crab walk

Lovely

[rigid mural]

Hsfssgsghd crab call
Lightseekers my beloved

[ocean wigeon]

hashtag relationship goals

[rigid mural]

This one ? It's far from the oldest wooly manta doodle

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe this whole routine is coaxing light from the sapling.

[formal skiff]

Awwwwwww

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's what I thought too, that and maybe the trees in forest were special to start with hence why they were cut down and processed.

[soft timber]

slides here light light light light

[nimble ingot]

I figured the wooly manta was an idea you had going for a few days.
Hence why there are drawing of it in different situations (little prince, hairdryer, and even as a though of where spirits get their fluff).

[boreal nebula]

LOOOL I made One too!
#sky-memes message

They are alot more yellow now, with a more visible diamond/eye and even acting more Light oriented (now onlly koifish are light neutral )

[boreal nebula]

I guess that is a the Lightseekers ritual for collecting Light

[rigid mural]

Wooly mantas are just a silly lore chat thing, as long as you don't forget who drew them, don't worry about reposting them here or on other server, or making your own. They're just meant to be cute and divert attention from risky topics.

[soft timber]

there should be a little series of wooly light creatures

[compact shale]

Those concept arts did imply that Lightseekers helped souls ascend, so they may be extracting the soul of the sapling.

You decide if the implication of a tree having a soul is disturbing or not.

[rigid mural]

What concept art
I crave lightseeker lore

[keen shore]

Hello everyone I have thought of another very strange and odd idea
also it’s way too early

[frigid tinsel]

Do tell

[soft timber]

little grabby hands Lore please

[compact shale]

Feast your eyes

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

“Lightseeker lore” slides off the tongue nicely

[frigid tinsel]

Only reason I’m awake rn is cos mom forgot to feed the bunny and said bunny threw a fit

[compact shale]

So we put wooly manta and in the same room.

What happens?

[stray slate]

I noticed today that our body glows now while forging candles 🤔

It's a nice touch but why

[rigid mural]

They don't seem to ascend souls to me, more like they are gathering light

[compact shale]

...from dead people. I may have misconstrued some stuff, but they deal with the deads seems to be quite normal for them.

[frigid tinsel]

I do see where the implication may come from.
Top: battlefield, possibly dead soldiers? But there could be light in the battlefield itself.
Bottom left: child on a sickbed, dying? Or giving light to an ill child hoping to heal them?

[compact shale]

Yeah, they definitely got their light from numerous sources.

Don't ask why the "dealing with the dead" part was what most of us got out of it.

||Angst, it's because of angst||

[rigid mural]

Doesn't say they deal with the dead explicitly, also @frigid tinsel that's fair !
But maybe they could be like healers and give light to feed

[compact shale]

well,

the concept art has no text

but yeah healing could also be one of their jobs

[keen shore]

Okay hear me out here. What if Megabird only extends to our solar system? Like the sun is its eye, or center, or whatever, and the rest just spirals out in rivers of light from there through the solar system

Possible supporting evidence would be the whole stars falling = apocalypse thing suggesting stars outside our solar system are Weird, because turning into children and falling into a faraway planet is Not normal star behavior. I envision them more as maybe,… globes of light suspended in orbit or in the solar system itself?

The exception to this is our Sun which, I mean, it’s pretty obvious that there is one. You see it many times and all the plants are still growing, very few things are Covered in ice, so on. My theory is that Megabird is somehow the personification of the sun in our solar system and by extension all the light that comes out of it. At the end of our flight through Eden, after we go to orbit, we see it envisioned as a large sphere with mantas orbiting it. There are rivers of light flowing towards it, but I’m not sure these come from outside the solar system. And the sun definitely fulfills all the requirements associated with the Light (heat, light, supports life) plus, the symbol used on GW shields and prairie docks heavily associated with light resembles the sun more than the lights alternate symbol

This is VERY messy and I will probably make a more organized post later but for now have this rambling

[rigid mural]

Funny bc I saw lightseeker as the OG candle runners; they seem to gather light in diverse areas, and piggyback shows they may be leaving some as offerings to the elders

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like those concept pics came from a video, does anyone have a link to it?

[compact shale]

Maybe the bloom tree light could be an ingredient for their healing rituals?

[nimble ingot]

wouldn't that be a bit of a spoiler about a certain tree?

[frigid tinsel]

So like envisioning the anatomy of Megabird

[compact shale]

When I first saw the art I combined the idea that they were extracting souls with the "light is in the Coliseum" part of the concept art

And this happened

Lightseekers: Ascend in peace, Miner Friend #2. *releases Miner Friend #2's soul
Valley Twins: PLAY BALL! *bonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonk

Sorry Miner Friend #2 lol

[compact shale]

I don't get it

I'm talking about the smaller saplings ofc

[keen shore]

Megabird = sun theory also suggests that by increasing the darkness in the world and sapping away the light, the ancestors also slowly decreased the strength of their Sun as no light was returning to it/replenishing it. This may be why golden wasteland was described as “cold” here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

[nimble ingot]

Light, just light. It would be like looking into a galaxy full of stars

[nimble ingot]

oh, I assumed those were only called saplings. I was wrong.

[compact shale]

Don't forget to put on eye protection~

(Wait, if our eyes themselves are made of light, DO we need eye protection?)

[nimble ingot]

Apparently not, but skykids sure are night blind.

[keen shore]

Since both our insides and Megabird is made of light, is it like humans staring at a massive pile of organs

[frigid tinsel]

We the players may need eye protection

[compact shale]

OKAY THAT'S MORBID-

[keen shore]

The white loading screens in dark places like vault and GW have blasted my eyes more than Megabird ever could

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird organs

[nimble ingot]

The same can be said if a black hole were to take a human form.
It would be so dense, any scale would just be crushed under its weight. And so dark, not even the sun can show its face.

[keen shore]

Headcanon. The reason there are so many mantas is because they’re megabirds favorite children

[compact shale]

Each a candidate to become a perfect light creature!

[compact shale]

Somewhere deep in Vault, there is a scientist extracting animal data and trying to merge it in order to make wooly mantas real.

[frigid tinsel]

Considering that bottom pic, the mass of light does seem to have enough mass to create its own gravity given the asteroid belt orbiting it.
The asteroids used to make skykids’ bodies?

Why do sleepy brain come up with best ideas

[nimble ingot]

That better not be a challenge. 😉

[dry ivy]

thinking of how we’re made of stardust ✨

[keen shore]

I really like the Megabird = sun theory for a couple reasons

• suggests that draining and harvesting light had obvious and negative effects in the form of the sun weakening. For some reason, I really like the concept of the world getting colder and colder and everyone relying on darkstone to keep warm, which speeds up the downward spiral even more [more evidence for it being colder later in kingdoms lifespan can be found in abyss clothes, although this is hard because we don’t have much references for vault clothes]
• suggests that outside our solar system, the universe is just a vast, empty void. Also suggests that if Megabird works enough like a normal star that it has to die/go supernova eventually, that’s the end of life as we know it.

[dry ivy]

Well when you think about it, they are kidna of like...the “base form” for most of the creatures in Sky

Even the Skids—their wings and power to fly make me think of mantas

[compact shale]

This is actually based on a skykid I designed for an inside joke. It miiiight end up in some amorphous barely-living blobs of light creature that need to be ascended as quickly as possible in order to reduce the blasphemy committed against Megabird.

[dry ivy]

Also ok what is that magic spirit manta we absorb in abyss

[compact shale]

Upgrade Manta? We... uhhhhhhh...

[keen shore]

Maybe the magic manta is just a pure manifestation of light, and when we absorb it it makes our flame strong enough to survive underwater for extended periods of time?

[compact shale]

Our flame's screwed from the start, we can't pull out candles underwater and when we start losing light, it skips straight to wl instead of flame

Alasdair tried to answer here
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[dry ivy]

Didn’t it look kinda different from other mantas...?

Wait I forgor—the sea creatures we find underwater: does it include normal mantas or different looking ones?

(Also hey I think the area where we commune with this manta has a whale tail statue that I’ve seen in other areas in Sky where mantas are a big focus—the Sanctuary Islands?)

Ooh neat idea

[keen shore]

We still wouldn’t be able to pull out our candle and light things on fire, for clarification, we can just go underwater without immediately getting putting out. The manta just means our inner light is more Resistant and stronger to getting put out so it happens more slowly

Maybe it’s like… A 100-pack of WL that can’t be used for flying

[dry ivy]

Oh oof so the water risks putting our flame out basically

So...it’s not the risk of suffocation in that our skid can’t breathe but more the risk of our flame being smothered

though wait—those blue lights. I thought them as air bubbles before but now I have no idea what they are.

It makes sense that underwater creatures and plants recharge our light and therefore we avoid drowning, but what are those blue bubbles???

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[compact shale]

Well Ash wafo'd me when I tried to ask about em so... Mayyyyybe the 5th quest will answer our questions?

Here's Vela's drawing of Upgrade Tutorial Manta

[tranquil harbor]

Not just flame. All things shiny. Need flap flaps.

Our kid gives off air bubbles, I'm just not ready to give up on the idea that they need to breath

[dry ivy]

Awww! So cute I love vela’s art style

[keen shore]

Important question. If Megabird is made entirely of light and we eat light, is it possible to eat Megabird? And if so, what is everyone’s estimates on how many skykids and/or ancestors it would take to fully consume Megabird, and what would it taste like

[compact shale]

I'm guessing they're light bubbles that recharge us. They do glow after all.

@keen shore do you need a muffin irl?

[tranquil harbor]

Depends, how fast does megabird heal? Also, I'm prepared to be risky and say Megabird actually tastes like scallops

[keen shore]

I would not protest to a muffin but I don’t necessarily need one either. I am just thinking of possible ways to overthrow god

[dry ivy]

Maybe Megabird regenerates as fast as a skid can eat it, so ultimately a skid has no hope of consuming it all

[tranquil harbor]

But do sky kids eat faster than ancestors/elders? Could they help?

[dry ivy]

Plus I imagine it’d be like trying to eat the sun

ITS A DEADLY LAZER

[tranquil harbor]

Don't worry, the little babs are fire proof

[keen shore]

Megabird can heal but only if provided with more light [eg mantas]. Before we got to eating it all it would probably attempt to absorb our light essence and we would lose the battle… maybe a bunch of krills could succeed, though

[dry ivy]

How much megabird could a skid eat if a skid could eat a megabird

[compact shale]

Don't worry, I think about overthrowing Megabird too.

Here's my headcanon master plan.

I don't think Megabird has infinite light for creating creatures with. If we somehow make them use up all their light in creation, without any returning to Them, they'll lose command over us and we'll be on our own. If many skykids unite their light to a common cause, we can literally tap into godly power!

[keen shore]

How many crabs would it take to overpower and consume god

[tranquil harbor]

Sorry TGC, we're gonna eat the god thingy

[dry ivy]

I was under the assumption the megabird is basically what orbit is

It’s like

A galaxy so uh.

[boreal nebula]

LOOOL, true, there was a dialogue about that in TLP🤣

[keen shore]

Yes and? Just means more food

[ocean isle]

Hii, can someone advise me on beginning to explore the lore? Maybe a good youtubr video or something

[dry ivy]

Hey what but didn’t the concept art day that the megabird is is all. We are the megabird

So eating it wouldn’t be the end of it. It is us. 👀

[tranquil harbor]

Well you start by leaving this place before you're consumed by its insanity-

[compact shale]

But subsuming Megabird would give us full command of ourselves sjsudhehhe

[ocean isle]

Im afraid it's quite late for that

[dry ivy]

Kirby joins the chat

[ocean isle]

I already read the discussion about eating god

[dry ivy]

I think the King found out how this works out the hard way

[keen shore]

This is why I think eating Megabird would just force it to absorb our light back into itself so we could never win. I think krill, or maybe some exceedingly determined crabs, could succeed, though

[tranquil harbor]

tbh I'd start by looking up the thing you're interested in in the search bar, maybe specify lore chat. I got started by looking up elders. Or you could just ask about anything and you're sure to find one psycho who has absolutely deep dived into the idea

[lofty void]

hello lore chat~

[compact shale]

Welcome to insane lorechat

Aka

#jugemu-jugemu-go-ko-no-surikire-ultimate-out-of-context-lore-with-megabird-and-buddha-on-our-side-along-with-existential-crises-san-francisco-furry-teth-ultra-divorced-resh-mindspaces-unrealities-and-last-but-not-least-the-utter-denial-of-skykid-respiration-but-also-everyone-in-sky-is-very- very-non-binary-and-gay-and-being-kidnapped-by-wooly-mantas-discussion-spoilers

[ocean isle]

thanks!

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but that theory where Krill and crabs can actually heal themselves by eating enough light. could megabird heal the krills? Can megabird be corrupted?

[lofty void]

yep

[dry ivy]

Maybe the megabird is strong enough to fry their darkness of though?

...thinking about Journey and how the Guardians stone is destroyed on the way up to Heaven

[compact shale]

Megabird
Ultimate Anti-Darkness Frying Pan

[lofty void]

WIAT CRAP YOU FORGOT ABOUT MY CONSTANT MENTIONING OF MEM SJJSJS--

[frigid tinsel]

I pass out for ten minutes and y’all want to eat god.
Going back to sleep

[keen shore]

I think if the krill ate just enough light to not be fried, and waited for their darkness to consume the light they had eaten before eating more, they could win. However, they could not approach Megabird directly, and would have to start by focusing on smaller light creatures that do not pose an immediate threat to their existence, like us —

Hey wait a minute

[tranquil harbor]

I've been trying to ask how god tastes for days. Only now has Salem validated my nonsense

[compact shale]

#jugemu-jugemu-go-ko-no-surikire-ultimate-out-of-context-lore-with-megabird-and-buddha-on-our-side-along-with-existential-crises-san-francisco-furry-teth-ultra-divorced-resh-mem-the-hot-elder-of-the-sea-created-by-anzu-and-last-but-not-least-the-utter-denial-of-skykid-respiration-but-also-everyone-in-sky-is-very-very-non-binary-and-gay-and-being-kidnapped-by-wooly-mantas-discussion-spoilers

[lofty void]

mmm i do love some sautéed megabird--- JHAENWVIUWQRACGU

[ocean isle]

I've seen a video that tells the general story, the prince, the elders, the dark creatures, how the ark fell and that now the Isle elder welcomes us to the world of sky. What I don't get is, the plan is that we just die to the megabird and be reborn over and over?

[dry ivy]

As a Christian, I can’t help but think of it like this—it can’t be corrupted, because anything dark/corrupt is destroyed by it’s utter holy light. Like flying to close to the sun

So uh. Fried krill is for dinner if they get to close to the bord.

[keen shore]

I think if the krill all chomped at the same time they could pull it off

[dry ivy]

Tho maybe again this is what could free them.

[ocean isle]

light crabs. imagine that, so cute

[boreal nebula]

Ooh ! I fear she found him dead so it is collecting the soul for a respectful ritual

But it could also be as you Said. Maybe crab call also caarried sothing light magic prrviously collected from the sappling 🥲

[tranquil harbor]

We're supposed to 'help the stars return to the sky' which means spirits (and possible elders + sky kids) and there is something the kids want in eden. Either there are more spirits past the death zone, or the kids want to save the elder who 'isn't there to be saved anymore' or each other.

We don't know for sure sure. It might even be a horrible mistake on their part

[tranquil harbor]

Pretty sure light crabs are the gray ones. I've heard there is a friendly crab that isn't in the secret fun area, but I have yet to find it

[compact shale]

Probably each other. Skykids in-universe probably don't get to know enough to know of King's existence.

[ocean isle]

So, saving everyone reach the sky again? We were created after everything crumbled and I understand that it was to keep feeding the megabird or so the youtube video said. Is that right?

[tranquil harbor]

They see the murals and stuff tho? If we can see it in game, the sky kid probably knows it

[uncut pond]

SKY KID REVOLUTION

(should I've posted this in #sky-memes instead...?)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/593565781166391316/948979070413201468/UNGOVERNABLE.jpg

[ocean isle]

true

[compact shale]

Oh. Right. Maybe they could be looking for the King after that one Vault mural.

But the King was inside them all along- (king fragment theory)

[tranquil harbor]

Youtube video is slightly off base. The thing about the lore is that a lot of it is vague and up to interpretation on purpose, so you get a lot of stuff that isn't canon touted as canon the valley elders are twins tho, that's canon

[ocean isle]

kinda like minecraft lore, alright

[ocean isle]

I really, really want to replay the game just to pay attention to the murals and the elders' cinematics

[tranquil harbor]

You'll often see us discussing utter nonsense that we're 90% sure isn't canon because it's fun tho

[keen shore]

If the king fragment theory is true, then we’re probably kept from knowing too much information about the king by everyone in universe who knows about it, to prevent the disaster happening again

[ocean isle]

Can you explain the king fragment theory?

[compact shale]

We do not speak of Resh nay nay nay

(the sentence structure should be a bit different but that would bean the message sooooo)

[tranquil harbor]

@compact shale we do not speak about King resh. Or just 'Resh oh no no' King Resh gives you the syllables of bruno

The king fragment theory is that the king broke into fragments and is thus all the sky kids. also known as 'the king is zeus/our dad' theory

[keen shore]

Its basically the idea that after the disaster, the king’s soul got split up into tons of tiny fragments, which became us. I wish I had more readily available info on the king but lots of it is concept art, which I don’t have atm

[ocean isle]

Oh, thanks!

[compact shale]

Ummm I doubt we're calling the King our dad, but okay.

It's based on the friendship constellation being shaped like the Eden castle.

[tranquil harbor]

I was kidding about the dad thing fruitzie

[keen shore]

Who would win. All of Zeus’s kids vs all of the king’s kids

[tranquil harbor]

Zeus' kids. Sky kids are too sweet. Greek gods are mean. Like for real, the amount of good friends turned into animals and hunted for sport is just too many

[compact shale]

We are merely wielders of Prometheus' gift, and He ended up getting His || liver eaten. Over and over again. ||

[tranquil harbor]

Other Greek Gods: "Oh -insert god- you care about this person? I'm going to trick you into murdering them because I'm petty and jealous lol"

[ocean isle]

or girls turned into trees

[compact shale]

Sky: Children are the Trees

[native shoal]

Idea: Wooly mantas nesting in cliffs, like you go to see what’s in that hole in the cliff face and see like 7 baby wooly mantas and the mama manta

Mama manta doesn’t like you intruding on the nest thing so you get shoved out but still

[dry ivy]

Maybe that one nest in the forest is a wooly manta nest

Tho hey sorry for being a noob but are wooly mantas real creatures game or—

[native shoal]

Nope, but they are real in our hearts

[dry ivy]

I imagine it is quite a wonderfully fluffy creeture

[dry ivy]

hey. You’re my dad. Boogie boogie boogie

[soft timber]

You mean, 'Our dad'

[queen pike]

soviet anthem plays

[soft timber]

plays Sky's anthem

[tulip aspen]

w h a t

[tulip aspen]

id say its the same concept as learning expressions

we physically could have dived; we just never tried, and blue boi simply just makes us realize we could

that anecdote is backed by the fact that before we get the dive ability, we can still go underwater for the same amount of time, if we sit at a table underwater

[midnight fog]

Maybe it's kinda a power source for our skykids to live underwater

[soft timber]

Why is this giving me vibes of skykids just casually living underwater and walking around like nothing has changed?

[tranquil harbor]

I can swim, but I have no idea how to dive. I get stuck at the surface kind of rolling around. It might be the same with the sky kids. Yeah they can swim well enough and hold their breath, but they didn't have the proper techniques for diving until the manta taught them

[keen shore]

I want to eat god, what about this is confusing? /j

[frigid tinsel]

Two hours later and y’all still wanna eat god

[burnt cove]

Can we talk about King Resh?

[nimble ingot]

That would be partly because the diving mechanic is new to the game and the devs might keep it as an upgrade feature skykids can earn as they complete past seasons.

I agree with the part that skykids can learn how to do thing they were not able to do in the past.

It reminds me of the game Spyro, where the dragon can swim by default, but had to be taught how to dive to reach areas he was not able to access in the past. It is not only an obstacle for players to work towards getting over, it is also a point of progression for the player's character.

[undone harbor]

Resh our beloved

[keen shore]

I will eat him too do not test me

[burnt cove]

Well I think Resh was no different than Armstrong

[tranquil harbor]

but what does he taste like?

[frigid tinsel]

Sorrow and regret

[undone harbor]

But seriously what does megabird taste like
I heard an astronaut saying space smells like burnt meat so

[keen shore]

Hmmm, banana

[soft timber]

Resh our beloved king

[tranquil harbor]

Scallop

[nimble ingot]

Probably like the darkest and toughest steak in the world.
So dark, it would make a goth jealous.

[undone harbor]

Mint dark chocolate

[keen shore]

Salt and vinegar chips [salt comes from tears]

[burnt cove]

I can't eat anything 😭

[frigid tinsel]

I wasn’t always allergic to bananas so bananas fill me with sorrow. I miss the taste

[tranquil harbor]

Coffee rubbed with heavy char

(Our tears Salem. Of nothing but crumbs)

[soft timber]

Probable the best tasting food to anybody, and it's different for everybody

[frigid tinsel]

Resh be salty not only from tears from from the fact they failed to eat god themself

[keen shore]

If they are not a light creature/clayshell they taste like pork
If they are, raw egg

[uncut pond]

I just pictured in my mind a skid throwing a thousand punches at resh and resh barely paying attention to it like Raiden and Armstrong

[burnt cove]

Yup that fight was intense you know

[tranquil harbor]

what if he tastes like wax

[lofty void]

What kind of wax? Baybel cheese wax?

[undone harbor]

Megabird tastes like sunlight on a horribly hot day
Change my mind

Resh tastes like metal and oil

[keen shore]

I think mantas would be chewy like wax but inside of ancestors/elders would not

[undone harbor]

Eating the valley twins’ hair is not a good idea
Sharp

[frigid tinsel]

You ever eaten a horribly burnt burger you was grilling to the point it looks like charcoal? One bite and you got a mouthful of dust. Dry. Disappointment. That’s what an Elder tastes like.

[tranquil harbor]

mmm... candol

@undone harbor the hair of ancestors, elders, and descendants is clearly made out of frosting. They do each other's hair by bringin' out the piping bags

[keen shore]

Now that we’re talking about it… what ARE elders made out of? They only remind me of when we die in Eden and turn that grayish, ashen color

[soft timber]

This is the only time where talking about eating what are basically humanoids is 100% ok and may even be encouraged

[frigid tinsel]

Magic-induced charcoal

[tranquil harbor]

I would assume the same materials that sky kids and ancestors were made of.

[undone harbor]

Look this is one of the only games that have people saying “yo do you want to go dying tomorrow night” “yeah sure lol”

[soft timber]

Yes, the biggest truth as I literally said to a friend of mine "Wanna die with me?" and they responded "YES" with such an eagerness that I was concerned and scared for them

[tranquil harbor]

I do not subscribe to clay theory. I think elders are made up of people things

[frigid tinsel]

People things

[keen shore]

What if we’re actually made out of that grayish material [charcoal? asteroid rock?] and it just looks brown because of the intense yellowish light shining through it?

[soft timber]

Elaborate on "People things" please

[uncut pond]

Elders are made of dreams ♪

[tranquil harbor]

Like, fleshy and stuff, not rocky

[keen shore]

…now that I think about it, wasn’t it confirmed that the elders are dead as well similar to spirits or am I just misremembering things?

[undone harbor]

I go for elders are created by megabird
So would they be made out of light too??

[tranquil harbor]

I think that was not confirmed

[uncut pond]

Isn't all the living beings made of light? except for dark creatures but that's debatable

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are black in their faces and abdomen but turn lighter brown as you shift to the limbs, but it really depends on what they’re wearing

[undone harbor]

I mean
The elders’ color scheme and skid (when out of light) colors are similar so we can also go for skid is a (kind) of elder or elders are (kind) of skid

[frigid tinsel]

It hasn’t been confirmed whether the Elders are dead or alive

[soft timber]

Ah got it

[tranquil harbor]

Elders and sky kids are confirmed to be subspecies at least. Like wolves and dogs

[undone harbor]

Vibing in the limbo it seems

[tawdry whale]

what are yall's headcanon names for the elders

[undone harbor]

One day someone took in an elder and after thousands of years we get a skid (prince/king/chosen one I’m looking at you)

[tranquil harbor]

Wasteland elder is very gentle. Protective. If elders aren't stuck in those lil realms, the reason the area before his temple only gets krill after is because he goes and beats them up (and then they run off only to come back later like annoying squirrels for the bird feeder)

[undone harbor]

Idk if I can speak those names without my message being deleted or at least being scolded by skybot

[keen shore]

This is along the lines of what I was thinking too. When you give them light, the star patterns on their clothes sort of remind me of the symbols on your cape reappearing when you get recharged, although I’m not sure why they’re gray and white instead of being more vivid colors like us… maybe we aren’t able to give them enough light for that?

[tranquil harbor]

Considering we're not the same species, they might just be those colors naturally

[undone harbor]

I mean if you don’t change your cape for thousands of years then-

[keen shore]

Where was it confirmed that we’re not the same species? the only thing I can think of is saying we won’t grow up into one, although that might just be game mechanics

[soft timber]

The Valley Twins being the athletic pair that they are, would often either play sports together, mess with the others, or play with us by using us as their ball just being your average 20-something competitive pair of twins

[uncut pond]

I headcanon the elders'names as:
Boomer
Big chunk
Doritos
The fashion twins
Sundowner
The librarian

[tawdry whale]

my headcanon that i came up with just now is that while normal skids came from stars, the elders came from supernovas or smth?

[undone harbor]

We are somewhat built different 💅
Look at those elders can they fly using the light on their clothes? Nah

[ionic cave]

How many sky kids will we need to defeat a krill

[tawdry whale]

not with that attitude!

[undone harbor]

8, full server and we’re done

[uncut pond]

We need 9 skids to defeat krill, that's why the server limit is 8

[undone harbor]

THIS IS IMPORTANT LORE

[frigid tinsel]

They have fanon names derived from concept art which was based off the names of Hebrew letters, but even though those were confirmed no longer canon, the community still uses them.
Isle — Daleth
Prairie — Ayin
Forest — Teth
Valley — Samekh (they share a name tho some refer to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland — Tsadi
Vault — Lamed

In my ficverse, those names aren’t canon either, instead during the kingdom era they were referred do by “the times of day they were born,” which is based off how the realms are categorized as references to times of day
Isle — Dawn
Prairie — Daylight
Forest — Rain
Valley — Sunset
Wasteland — Dusk
Vault — Night

[burnt cove]

And you need me

[soft timber]

Latham
Donald
Throh (yes the Pokémon name)
Lazuli (as in Laz and Uli)
Egon
Choi

[uncut pond]

TGC was the real villain all along

[ionic cave]

Need to summon the 9th sky kid somehow 🤧

[frigid tinsel]

That’s the king. Unfortunately they’re beyond saving

[keen shore]

The ability to fly seems to be something unique to us entirely, like a special gift. I’m not really sure why we get it and no one else does, but I’m not complaining…

[lofty void]

fanon names

[ionic cave]

Yes us and random aquatic animals (◍•ᴗ•◍)

[undone harbor]

Wait
There are 7 realms, 7 elders (counting both the twins), counting the king is 8
THEN MAYBE prince /chosen one might be the ninth
It all make sense now
That’s why the darkness came
They didn’t have enough people in the server

I JUST REALLY LOVE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE GAME MECHANICS INTO LORE

[lofty void]

the server limit was the true antagonist all along

[tawdry whale]

i feel like the fanon names don't fit them very well except for forest

[ionic cave]

That reminds me why does the krill stay afloat while sky kids constantly need energy to fly. Krills are not even light creatures like mantas

[uncut pond]

And the server splits, the prince got corrupted because he was separated from his best friend while in Eden making him descend into madness

[keen shore]

8 is an oddly important number in sky lore. 8 sides to a darkstone crystal, 8 elders, 8 people in a server, not really sure why it’s regarded as so important - maybe because if you turn it on its side you get infinity?

[frigid tinsel]

Devs said they have no plans for expanding the server limit so pokes TGC with a stick

[lofty void]

We’ve cracked the code, lorechat

[tawdry whale]

oh yeah the diamonds have 8 sides too

[tranquil harbor]

our sky kids might need winged light and flappy flaps since they're children. Maybe an adult descendant can fly easier

[keen shore]

This is true, I was there

[undone harbor]

EVEN WORSE
THE KING STAYS THERE AND CANT ASCEND
IF SO PRINCE CANNOT ASCEND EITHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STAY AND WAIT FOR KING
BOTH OF THEM JUST LINGERING THERE....

[lofty void]

There are also 8 realms (isle, prairie, forest, valley, wasteland, vault, eden, and homespace)

[uncut pond]

Sky: Adults of the Light

[soft timber]

gently nudges TGC Let us be big kids

[undone harbor]

Giant spell

[keen shore]

Elongate The Child

[tranquil harbor]

isn't the max height called 'adult'? The same way chibi is 'baby'

[lofty void]

i consider homespace a realm due to the fact that it’s basically a hub that connects the other realms together.

[undone harbor]

We cracked the code guys go to sleep

[soft timber]

offers Giant spell

[tranquil harbor]

I have been told (with dubious authenticity) that being max height and using the giant spell can make you as big as an elder and I want to see it

[keen shore]

I have used the giant spell and became roughly the height of the enchantment guide, but I don’t know whether that means it makes you very tall or they are just short

[soft timber]

Same, I don't exactly doubt it, but the biggest I've seen was being as big as a spirit

[lofty void]

Not just that but there’s evidence that spirits had been there before: the ts platform, the social space closets, the freaking portals and the quest statue (i hate you so much you stole mr off season qg’s job)

[ionic cave]

2 sky kids together recharge each other.....then where is the energy coming from. Is this related to 8 kids per server

[uncut pond]

This is actually false, you can only achieve ancestor spirit size

[undone harbor]

Photons go brrrrr

[tranquil harbor]

thank you! (I still want to see it tho)

[undone harbor]

BUT THE HONK.
HOW DOES THE HONK RECHARGE YOU? BY SENDING PHOTON VIBES ???
(Note that light creatures’ honk also recharge us
Second note: krills has a kind of honk (roar) too and takes our light (corrupted honk??)
Third note: apparently spirits has small honks as well))

[tulip aspen]

dust
man what kind of grill u using, if it burnt it crunchy lolol

[uncut pond]

Honks are electromagnetic waves confirmed canon lore (REAL)

[tranquil harbor]

honks recharge u by making u happy, thus increasing your will to live

[undone harbor]

Please read the notes

[soft timber]

Best way to say "I wanna make you happy, so I'll honk like a goose"

[uncut pond]

(this would mean skids can be used as wifi transmitters this is canon lore)

[ionic cave]

Maybe when 2 sky kids interact a circuit is formed which absorb energy from the enviornment. A sky kid cannot absorb energy for itself but act as a channel to transfer energy to other sky kids. Similarly the other sky kid transfers energy from the environment to the before mentioned sky kid

[undone harbor]

Goose honk when
Crab call gonna have a competitor

[tulip aspen]

calls seem to have light essence yes

krills having the call of a light creature is just further proof it was an still is a light creature, just now corrupted

[undone harbor]

WiFi uses a different kind of wave though, so no

[tranquil harbor]

Real talk, feeling loved by the people around u is incredibly energizing.

[undone harbor]

Getting a kiss by a krill? Absolutely wonderful.

[uncut pond]

Nope, it's all electromagnetic waves, the same as radio and visible light (and also radioactivity)

[soft timber]

I do enjoy honking near people to show that "hey, I'm a bit playful around you because I like you, my friend buddy pal"

[undone harbor]

What about the small honks of spirits?
(The little honks when you’re reliving their memories)

[tulip aspen]

i think 8 isnt the problem, they just need better merging ques

some kind of proliferating AI that will ALWAYS merge servers with 3 players or less with each other, so that we ALWAYS have at least a semi full server

something that always does the math
1+4-6
2+3-5
3+2-4
4+1-3
6+1-2
7+1

and it should ALWAYS be trying to pool people in like that, every 2-3 mins

[undone harbor]

Megabird trying to hold the world together?

GUYS I THINK THE SAVIOR OF SKY WORLD MIGHT BE ||OREO||

[tulip aspen]

yes, they have calls too, because they were and even after death still are, beings of Light

this goes with lapis' statements about spirits still being 'present', just not in the alterior-ly metaphysical way they describe it;
they are just bare beings of Light now, not really alive or in control of themselves until you free them from their memory

[tawdry whale]

after lots of hebrew translation my headcanon name 4 vault elder is lailah

[undone harbor]

IT HAS BOTH BLACK AND WHITE ON ITS BODY
RUNNING AROUND AN ISLAND IN PRAIRIE RIGHT NEXT TO IDK MAYBE 8-10 GRAVES? SUSPICIOUS

[uncut pond]

Oreo is the 9th elder

[undone harbor]

No
Oreo is the final piece of the puzzle
The tenth one

[tulip aspen]

its not 100% proved to be canon; not everyone wants to believe it's so

[tulip aspen]

I ELENLRK FPKD OF PR SUNDOWNER

[undone harbor]

Anyway I believe Oreo has lore significance and TGC is hiding the truth of the world

[uncut pond]

Yeah fair; personally I think it would make a lot of sense thematically if even dark creatures were made of light, but it's all really just speculation

[undone harbor]

Look:
The door leading out of Oreo’s area and the door leading in ||office|| area is the same glowing white
The exit of ||orbit|| is also a glowing white gate, just a tad bigger
By these points I insist Oreo has lore significance and is the bridge between our world and sky world/j

[tulip aspen]

it makes 100% sense, but unfortunately not everyone believes so

[frigid tinsel]

It burnt it crunchy and comes apart to dust.

My old grill really liked... uh... exploding. Things caught on fire a lot. We got a new one got obvious reasons and it cooks way better.

[keen shore]

I Am warming up to it but need a better explanation for the “human fluids” spirits I talked about earlier, have been trying to think of some…
The only other thing that is odd to me is that the ancestors form distinct spirits, but I don’t know if skykids [only confirmed or at least very likely clayshell so far] CAN die permanently like them. Although fun fact, when we die in Eden, the little star sparkle that forms our soul is the same one that’s in the center of spirits’ chests

[frigid tinsel]

Suppose the closest way skykids could die permanently is if they’re petrified outside of Eden and no one brings them winged light, based off the theory that skykids petrified by darkness can only be revived by another’s winged light.

Though that’s less permanent and more unconscious for a very very very long time.

[undone harbor]

I thought after we lose all winged light outside of eden we would get warped to a room outside of home with a wl?

[uncut pond]

I always thought the game just plays the Eden scene with the black and white children

[tranquil harbor]

game mechanic

[undone harbor]

Wait I thought the eden scene is hugging a child and outside of eden scene is receiving a wl?
@tranquil harbor#675 but still we can take game mechanics into account

[nimble ingot]

That was always the case, instead of a light kid, it is a wl standing in the void.
Did that scene change in the mean time?

[undone harbor]

Nah you phrase my point better than I did lol
There’s a difference between the light kid and a wl right

[sharp lichen]

Is Oreo a light creature or a dark creature?

There is evidence for both

[undone harbor]

We don’t know
Does Oreo recharge our light? If yes->light creature
Does Oreo take our light?->if yes->dark creature
Does Oreo give wax?->if yes->plant/shell/ball/fireworks/....

[nimble ingot]

Oreo is Oreo

[undone harbor]

OH RIGHT, I FORGOT
I was thinking about the third point and messed up lol

[uncut pond]

Oreo is a skid who tried to eat megabird and got turned into a dog as punishment by megabird

[undone harbor]

The elders don’t seem to fulfill the requirements I made either
Maybe there should be more specific requirements but I can only think of this lol

[sharp lichen]

Evidence for it being a dark creature: It only comes when lots of Skykids are there, implying that it’s similar to crabs and krills behavior wise.

Evidence for it being a light creature: It’s peaceful, and it’s rideable, like a large manta. It’s also found in Prairie, the area with the most light creatures

[undone harbor]

Not every light creature is rideable though

[maiden fog]

I watched the end credits right before we are reborn, it shows a candle. I wonder why a candle of all things???
And the part where it said "thankyou beta players" looks like a flame. Like why???

[undone harbor]

The flame you’re talking about is the megabird
There are several theories about the candle, some think it has a symbolic meaning, while others think the whole world is in a candle lol

[maiden fog]

Like Dr. Suess, "Horton hears a Who"

[undone harbor]

Even so, prairie have one of the biggest dark plants in the game

[tulip aspen]

human fluids?

[keen shore]

Being petrified out of Eden definitely SOUNDS like what happened to the spirits considering we have to burn away a bit of darkness before seeing their emote, although I don’t think they’re “just unconscious”. Considering they seem to need to eat, though, maybe they got trapped in place and died of starvation? Or the petrificafion happened almost immediately after death??? hmmmm

[rapid arrow]

So what the conversation in here about

[tulip aspen]

even if we could we can't be shown what it looks like for a player to die permanently

our best bet of a skykid corpse is prolly just the statues in eden

[keen shore]

Tears, Sweat, Blood. [first two are shown in spirit memories, third to my knowledge is not] The phrase human fluids sounds absolutely awful but I couldn’t think of anything better

[maiden fog]

How many sprirts are there outside of seasonal spirits vs how many statues there are?

[tulip aspen]

as i said before, the miner cries light

it looks and is no different from our cry expression

[undone harbor]

I think sanctuary is well uh
A sanctuary for both dark and light creatures
Crabs are here, some are peaceful like light creatures, some still attack like dark creatures
Dark plants here are HUGE
The numbers of mantas here is massive and there is an variety of them from tiny to giant as well

[keen shore]

I mean, since what I’m talking about is the outer shell of “darkness flakes” you have to burn away before seeing their emote, there’s one for each

[maiden fog]

Did the math, not including seasonal spirits. There are 37 spirits but 63 statues in eden.

[tulip aspen]

where are you getting blood from?

all lv2 emotes are generally always light emissions, i really think it has to end up being a skybot quote moment because of all the evidence towards them being made of light, its hard for me to believe that expressions of all things could be a viable thing to prolong it from relevance

like yeah its still an argument for bio, but it doesn't end up being that strong, especially alongside everything else we know

i wish i had a better way to explain my point from last night that WHY they cry doesnt have to make sense even if it's a bio and human trait they shouldnt really have, but ive got nothing for now

maybe it only makes sense to me lol rip

[keen shore]

I can accept the emotes being based off human expressions without an explanation as to why the spirits would go for them otherwise just so that we can decipher them, similar to the “breath meter” name, but I also want a better in universe explanation, yknow? I’m trying to think of one - the best I can think of is below:

[also to answer your question, blood is not shown ingame it’s just another “human fluid” example]

Inner light is liquid rather than just yknow, light. This explains the pulsating heartbeat like sound [light getting pulsed through your body], the way it dissipates into water [maybe it’s less dense than water so it forms bubble shapes?], the way tears and sweat on light creatures can appear similar to ours, and maybe how blood would hypothetically work as well.

My idea is that during strenuous activity/strong emotion the light gets hotter as well, or maybe rises to the surface as a weird fight or flight type reaction. Similar to how we would get a burst of adrenaline. Hence tears, and sweat being just the skin getting overheated/hot

[maiden fog]

Currently 75 seasonal spirits

[keen shore]

Is it probably way too convoluted? yes. It’s the first thing I thought of

[tulip aspen]

if i had paid more attention in bio and physics maybe itd be the first thing i thought of too

[keen shore]

Also one of your ideas is that mantas are a thin membrane filled with light yes? if light is liquid to some extent would they not be weird versions of scaled up animal cells?

[tulip aspen]

yep, ive actually been calling them akin to animal cells, more like bacteria tho

[keen shore]

I want to draw this as one of my manta versions similar to how I did the cloud and fluffy ones, but I’m not really sure how to express the membrane part. It seems like something you would get by touching a manta, not easily expressed visually except maybe by a cross section

[frigid tinsel]

I say “unconscious” but I suppose the better term would be “not conscious.” The “pity room” is what we see when encased by darkness, deprived of light except for one — the white skid. I think that’s the winged light given to us that, now belonging to us, conforms to us since it is always the same height as us. But before it’s given to us, it’s just darkness. I think when completely out of light and consumed by darkness, neither skykid (soul) nor spirit is able to maintain consciousness. They’re not quite unconscious but straight up not conscious. Dead. Frozen.

Spirits were probably able to walk about after their physical bodies died. How else could they make the journey to Eden/Elder temples in order to ascend? (Unless they made the journey while near death but that doesn’t consider those who die suddenly & unexpectedly). With darkness around, spirits are liable to petrification if they don’t ascend.

[keen shore]

Oooh good point, the spirits in flight quests are DEFINITELY able to move around. It also aligns with the idea that our outer shell just kind of sticks to us, but here it would be darkness flakes rather than dirt/clay

Oh No I can only imagine the shockwaves in this chat… is it going to be like the breathing debate? will the cannoneer [I think this is the abyss spirit most likely to] just straight up kill us? These are obviously rhetorical questions

[tulip aspen]

btw, i think all beings of Light CAN be petrified

i realized last night when mentioning that all plants could be made of light as well, that that works perfectly with the idea that the trees in forest are petrified stone

when they died, maybe in the explosion or all the darkness taking over, they must have solidified

this works in congruence with supermassive beings of Light having internal stone structures like the large creature skeletons

[keen shore]

Hey wait, what if krills and crabs are petrified as well? Their soul is stuck in their body so they’re almost… reanimated?

[tulip aspen]

crabs are at least made of stone for sure, so maybe

[keen shore]

Although… why can we never see spirits with at least parts of their shell? Would it all jsut crumble and fall apart after death? Who Peeled Them

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness flakes do stick to us and cling to the statues in Eden, tho darkness is much more prominent in Eden than anywhere else. The petrification process must be faster there.

I’m image a spirit (whether outside of Eden or in) walking around, slowly collecting darkness flakes on their person but not sure what they are or how to get them off. As more stick to their person, they lose color and dim, finding it harder to move. When they can’t take it anymore, they kneel over and let the cold overtake them.

[dry ivy]

So kinda like sleeping sorta

[keen shore]

Important to note that the flakes stick to us and sap our light through our shell, they don’t require it to be broken first, which might be why crabs exist…
Maybe ancestors’ shells were just a lot thinner and more fragile than ours, and just get burned away by us or eaten away by the darkness?

WAIT. If ancestors have a clay shell with holes in it and liquid light… could you just stick a straw in there and go sluuuurrrppp

[frigid tinsel]

I can’t find a good pic but the darkness does stick to our clothing and hair before our flames go out, so it’s prob drawing off our flame light and neutral light. Once that’s gone, it takes our winged light. Once that’s gone too, it petrified us.

[keen shore]

Side note. If darkness slowly takes away your ability to move, I wonder if anyone died by being frozen in place and just… suffocating

[frigid tinsel]

Finally here’s one

[uncut pond]

Skids can't eat megabird... They have to drink them

[frigid tinsel]

Bonus: here’s me and my friend not having a good time

[frigid tinsel]

Some of Tearful Light Miner’s companions had rocks collapse on them

[dry ivy]

So I guess that intimates they have inner organs or bones or whatever that get damaged from such a force

[keen shore]

Oh that’s true… I assumed they got crushed first, though. Also I’m not sure they got petrified considering we have to burn away darkness plants near them, they probably got parasitized after death

[uncut pond]

Maybe it's just their outer bodies which got broken, making it easier for the dark plants to consume their inner light?

[dry ivy]

I mean I were assuming they died because they got broken or because the plants ate them

[uncut pond]

I'm suggesting it could've been both at the same time who knows

[keen shore]

Maybe a mini flowchart for what happens post death

You die ->
A] your spirit ascends correctly after heading to Eden (congrats, you win!)
B] your spirit gets covered in darkness flakes -> you get petrified
A] no darkness touches you and you survive until being saved !
B] the darkness spores find their way into your soul, past the layer of petrification, and parasitize what’s left of you until you’re nothing but energy

[rigid mural]

fun fact, refusing voyager also has dark plants growing out of them in piggyback lightseeker's memory

So the plants might not mean the soul is lost.

[keen shore]

I Am going to relive that and see, although tbf it could be a process and we managed to save them just in time

[tulip aspen]

yee it prolly crumbles
with spirits that can still be saved I'm still willing to believe them hunched over black and dead is indeed their actual corpse

[rigid mural]

Unclear which order the 3 memories featuring refusing voyager go in but I like to think it goes
Voyager's own memory > Ushering Stargazer > Piggyback Lightseeker

[tulip aspen]

yes!

[frigid tinsel]

If dying in Eden has anything to go by, havjng no light and being consumed by darkness makes it harder to move until you cant no longer

[dry ivy]

oh dear this talk of spores and death is giving me flashbacks to The Last of Us. My sister just got that game recently

Aughhshshsh that last one is horrible though because isn’t that basically like...when you die you have the risk of your soul fading into oblivion?? That’s too horrifying

[rigid mural]

I do want to point out most (but not all) spirits who are featured in other memories are often in the memories of a spirit from the same realm; it's possible all spirits found in a given realm are from the same era.
Which means, with the spirits from the first 4 seasons... that all the spirits we are saving may be from the same era.

Some may point out Prophecy spirits may be older but it's the cave itself that's old; the spirits may be descendants of the og prophets.

[keen shore]

This is true and also very neat because in 2/3 isle basegame spirits darkstone is present. The candlemaker has a darkstone boat in theirs and another (I think it’s the voyager?) has one on their forehead, in their mask

If I’m remembering correctly the third would be the one with the king. If they are all together, then darkstone has been a thing since forever

[tulip aspen]

if crabs are indeed creatures of light, they probably from in water or something, and then migrate from their birthplace to find other crabs to be with

if they are born in dark water, or inevitably get darkness dust on them from other crabs, then they gain their iconic darkness crab traits; requiring darkness and seeking the light of uncorrupted creatures

if the darkness on them slowly kills them, we can assume darkness crabs have a lifespan, but will inevitably pass darkness dust to newly born crabs who are just trying to find other crabs to be near

[rigid mural]

Not sure if the masks have actual darkstone or just its likeness.

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss spirits certainly do

[keen shore]

I just got the idea for the perfect joke but I can’t say it since it implies something against the server rules

[tulip aspen]

it prolly is darkstone, all of it

remember tho, darkstone needs to be refined in temples/factories in order to intake Light and spit corrupted Light back out, so it's not actually dangerous

[dry ivy]

its kinda like during Victorian times and even periods before that where certain materials were used without understanding how they were poison

I’m thinking mostly of old makeup practices here...you know...using mercury or something stupid like that

If they’re rising dark stones they probably didn’t know t was bad at the time. Just “ooh pretty”. Or even as a status symbol

[tranquil harbor]

lead, so much lead

[dry ivy]

Or this

[rigid mural]

If voyager's mask has actual darkstone, then maybe the reason whatever they were doing with the lightseeker went awry might be it.

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that darkness flakes melt off petrified skid statues that have been given winged light (the one on the right)

[dry ivy]

Okay I’m confused. If darkness eats winged light then why does THIS winged light melt it

[frigid tinsel]

The power of friendship

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah btw vela, it's not making a shrieking sound, it's actually a very faint version of the Eden leitmotif

u can even hear it in ur own video

[tranquil harbor]

Darkness doesn't eat winged light, winged lights protect us and disappear without us

[dry ivy]

Yeah, it does seem like this helps them achieve the same thing that happens to us when we get turned into stone, enter the “pity room”, and hug the light kid

[rigid mural]

No, the high pitched metallic sound you hear, sounded like bugged krill sounds

[dry ivy]

Well, when we are in darkness oil pools it eats away at our light, and then makes us lose WL after a fashion

[tranquil harbor]

Like legit, winged lights never get 'eaten' from what I've seen. They get blown away when attempting to protect us, and return to their spots when they're away for too long. They can't exist outside the sky kid, but darkness doesn't seem to hurt them. the darkness hurts us, not the winged light

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve taken that as a gameplay mechanic so we have a chance to recover our winged light

[rigid mural]

Tip message when game loads say dark dragons want to devour our light

[tranquil harbor]

But the pity room isn't one? If you get sent to the pity room anywhere besides final eden we are dead bruh

[dry ivy]

Oh wait

I guess it makes the WL pop out of us huh. And that’s when WL gets destroyed—the darkness doesn’t eat it, it shatters when it is apart from us for too long. I get it now

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh right the train thing

okay, so, sound design boi, music therapy minor here

in cinema, a distant train whistle sound is used to give off the vague impression that something mechanical and massive nearby

i know it sounds like a train whistle, but what they're going for there is the impression that two giant metal objects are scraping together, because that's legit what two giant metal objects sound like when scraped together, if you ever sit in a factory for an hour you'll inevitably hear it on the other side of the warehouse corridor, it's terifying

you can hear the exact same sound as a cave sound in Minecraft too!
in that instance, they are trying to give the impression of minecartd rolling in distant chasms

what's funny about that soundbite tho is that it's called "minecarts" or something, and then there's another soundbite called "ghost whistle", which uses a more bone flute type beat to make an eerie indie horror moment that i absolutely despise when in game

[dry ivy]

I’m probably using the wrong term. I thought the pity room describes the inner soul state area we go too when we die in Eden

Pity room is probably that place you go when your out if WL in any other level I’m guessing

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, they do devour our light. Our light specifically. The krills put us out and we need to find a source to reignite

[frigid tinsel]

“Pity room” is the community term, btw, we don’t know what that place actually is.

I think it’s someplace inside us.

[dry ivy]

Yeah, so I’m correct that it’s the place when you hug the light kid, yes?

And yeah, I like to think that too 🙂

[tranquil harbor]

Pity room is for when you die in any place BESIDES eden. The eden death room is just 'eden' -shrug-

[tulip aspen]

in a way, yes, it's certainly both a mental process and also a projection into a different reality as we both affirm

[dry ivy]

I’m gonna call it the Soul Room for now

[tulip aspen]

we actually call that limbo!

[dry ivy]

Oh!! That’s a better name lol

[tranquil harbor]

Good to know, thank u

[rigid mural]

I'm aware of that yeah.

[keen shore]

I think the pity room is our version of the alternate dimensions elder cutscenes take place in. I am debating leaning firmly into the idea that elders are/were the closest being to us in terms of makeup and behavior, because it’s one logical conclusion of the king reincarnation/fragment theories

[rigid mural]

maybe you get in the pity room because in the "real" world, you got turned into a statue (and by virtue of being more easily reachable than eden, you got a winged light pretty soon after)

[static meteor]

PITY ROOM I-

[tranquil harbor]

if u really manage to die outside of eden u probably deserve to be pitied

Like ouch bro

[native shoal]

They’d have to sit in the darkness pool for at least 10 minutes

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, you either have to do it on purpose or have some atrocious luck

[native shoal]

Maybe if you’re a very unlucky moth who is getting non-stop krilled in wasteland?

[tranquil harbor]

Moths especially deserve pity, because they are innocent and do not deserve krills at all

[native shoal]

Anyone in here have a reason/theory why moths all look the exact same starting out?

[tranquil harbor]

Nope, I am full 'gameplay only' for this. Though I'm sure someone could connect the base appearance and learning expressions to 'slowly becoming a whole, unique person'

[polar forge]

Guess your right on that

[nimble ingot]

That is their default look. In a way, that is their purest skykid form. The appearance all skykids will have, and can default to even if they lose everything else.

That might be from Light Awaits for skykids to have a true, or default, appearance. Back then there was no winged light, and emotes was what skykids sacrifice. It was changed later on because of how tedious it may become if spirit memories were expanded and at times made a little more challenging than others.

[sharp lichen]

To me, moths are similar to newborns. Just like how babies sleep, eat, and do nothing else, moths go towards Eden without doing much else. Also, most babies look similar to each other. However, when a moth grows, they learn of new ways to play Sky and their world is expanded. Now, instead of simply completing the story, the moth plays Sky however they wish. They interact with the community, dress up how they want to, and mature, until they’re no longer a moth. It’s like when a child grows, they care more about their personal identity and dress the way they want to, instead of the way they were assigned.

[tranquil harbor]

So they'd literally sacrifice the sense of self they'd cultivated to save others

[rigid mural]

the game does say your true journey begins when you leave orbit for the first time, so it's possible sky children are born with at least a degree of customization lol

[formal skiff]

Where does it say that?

[queen pike]

true

[rigid mural]

right before you're about to crash in home, but i think this text only shows up if it's your first time

do you guys think sky children are aware they will never see the ancestors live again, that there was once crowds and people singing, dancing, living their daily lives and all but that they will never see any of it

[native shoal]

Again?

[rigid mural]

wym ?

[full saddle]

Henlo Lorechat, me missed you

[native shoal]

“They will never see the ancestors live again”

[formal skiff]

Ok ty

[compact shale]

Maybe?

It depends on the Ancestor ig

[formal skiff]

such a sweet sad lil comic

[compact shale]

Such is the job of a psychopomp

[polar forge]

Ok
THATS depressing

[rigid mural]

aw you guys

[compact shale]

Do you think there are some ancestors that try to comfort us in their last moments in the kingdom?

[rigid mural]

fainting warrior in a "this is just a flesh wound" way

[compact shale]

Wait, when do you think a spirit is ascended? When you relive them or when you buy their first wing buff?

[raw crypt]

UGH I THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, the backdrop of tragedy is well, tragic, theres so much sadness to come from the situation, but it gives way for hope that even though most is lost, not all of it is, and were doing our best to make do with what’s left, and i just think abt it sooo much

[somber zinc]

Sky is a world of ghosts

Haunted and deserted by all who dwelled before

[hushed steeple]

I’m going to start associating the different realms of sky with emotions so that i can simply show a drawing whenever somebody asks me how I’m doing.

[hushed steeple]

They didnt deserve that world, they trashed it, ruined its beauty. We dont know exactly how wasteland used to look before settlement, and even attempting to plot out how eden looked before the ancestors arrived is nearly a death wish. The trees have lost their leaves replaced by clouds, or possibly even smoke.

[rigid mural]

I don't think that it's possible all ancestors were behind the hyper-industrialisation of their society, look at the flight crew.

[pastel brook]

Buff moth doesn't need a cape to be buff

[somber zinc]

I feel that the world of sky was ravaged by something… some dark inverted force of life… the realms are based on the time periods of the day and also are symbolic of the stages of growth. The stages of innocence to adulthood to death. Eden represents death and rebirth

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I just got back from the place where everyone has to be average and have the same brain otherwise you die of future starvation.

[lofty void]

I SHOULD NOT BE LAUGJING AT THIS

[somber zinc]

Perhaps…. It the sky kids were once alive but are now just like the spirits… dead. If you think about it they are like angels constantly dying and being reborn again

[hushed steeple]

Maybe sky kids are just more of megabirds unwanted children.

[somber zinc]

I wonder what the true meaning behind sky is… It has a very dark back story I can tell

[hushed steeple]

I was going to do the daily quests, but skybot said no and ruined the server once i tried to collect the extra ap candle. So i cant see if there was another light seekers spirit.
I need to get off now as my phone is almost dead

[frigid tinsel]

Lorechat proceeds to break my heart

[native shoal]

“Fainting” warrior really went ‘Oh no this is a CHILD. I’m gonna teach them an over dramatic obviously fake faint instead of how to mimic a dying person’

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think “Fainting” Warrior was really aware what was going on at that moment or that they had an audience.

[formal skiff]

Yeah- I-
It’s just so tragic

[compact shale]

Sky Lore is like an onion.
The more layers you peel off, the more you cry.

-paraphrased from the OG because idk who said it first

[native shoal]

I mean when you go to them in the constellation and have him demonstrate the emote you’re getting, it’s an over dramatic hand on forehead faint

[formal skiff]

Made this a bit ago bc these two need support

(to be clear this is very much intended to be platonic, please no one try to interpret it as romantic )

[frigid tinsel]

Yesyesyesyesyesyes

[compact shale]

The ones who need therapy the most

Sky: Therapists of the Light

[native shoal]

The sky kids are the therapists

[frigid tinsel]

They’re children

[formal skiff]

Yep. Their mental health has got to SUCK. The fate of the world rests on their shoulders.

[native shoal]

Not quite the fate, more like the history

[formal skiff]

Yeah true but also like… poor Sky kids

[compact shale]

That's the conclusion we came to as to what post-Trials Resh was like

And one of the reasons why they sucked at being a king

[rigid mural]

raider

[formal skiff]

Aw man I feel so bad for Resh I just wanna hug them

[frigid tinsel]

They prob were having five mental breakdowns a day

[compact shale]

If you hug yourself you're hugging 1/? of Resh

[formal skiff]

• hugs self* it’s ok Resh all the spirits will die in the end anyway so you don’t need to worry about it

[compact shale]

They're already dead

[formal skiff]

Exactly

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that we can make a civilization with the spirits but we have to overthrow Megabird first

[tulip aspen]

yes!

[compact shale]

What's a spirit that's too good for this world?

[rigid mural]

most of them tbh, light whisperer looks like they wouldn't hurt a fly

[formal skiff]

Light whisperer is my favorite flight spirit for sure. They’re so sweet and adorable.

Fellow bird/animal lover 🤝

[rigid mural]

tgc confirmed on instagram (or pinterest idk they are the same to me) that talented builder gives the best hugs, hoping they implement hugging ts by the time they come Home

[formal skiff]

Gonna fight Builder for Best Hugger title
Jk, we’re gonna hug it out

[raw crypt]

the reason scare hasnt come as ts is because i wont let them until tgc implements hugging ts

[compact shale]

Yeah TGC should milk that hugging ability a bit more

Give it to TS!
Give it to regular basegame and seasonal spirits!
DON'T give it to the return shrine!

[late wasp]

Vela, you are the best! hahah

[spring oyster]

Simply a common mortal case of using too much, taking things too far, and then the repercussions for said resource abuse comes back with a VICIOUS bite...

[boreal nebula]

You might be right, maybe it is the flakes that slowly petrify us

I once was without WLs in Eden, but returned in time to the last flame statue, even if I was recharges by it the flakes wee still on me and I somehow slowly died unexpectedly

Here is the picture. It was back in January 2021

Last one was brighter, but I was actually crumbling/proofing into the Shiny Boy room

[native shoal]

Fainting soldier is my favorite one

Get this guy some therapy

My favorites are him and the guy who gives you the “Look at what I made!” Emote

[boreal nebula]

Those were also the first days of Season of Dreams. And the infamous bug who didn't allow to live a Spirit (some called it Season of Bugs )

[boreal nebula]

Talented Builder is a good one. I bet he was the one who realized the "chariot" on the Rhythm Eagle in that Season final cutscene (I could just watch it on YT)

Between Yawing and Look At What I Made, I prefer him

[native shoal]

It helps that I got the adventure pass that season for the sole purpose of getting his items and having the necklace for my starting season

[boreal nebula]

Naaah. It named that Social Distancing.. don't confuse it with that funny meme

Funny one, btw

[native shoal]

I had that exact hair as a moth

[raw crypt]

so far the season starts for me have been relatively smooth i wish to experience the dreams nonsense

[compact shale]

Here's the Quest 2 experience when it was bugged

Bugged spirit
Bugged spirit
Bugged spirit
Yessss it works now
Nooo I wasn't fast enough
Repeat from the top

[frigid tinsel]

Ceasing Commodore was bugged for me, some of the spirit memories didn't show. reminds me of that

[boreal nebula]

If anyone ever get the same problem (or want to photoshoot a Spirit without the risk of players photobomb) disconnect the wifi and deal with the Alert/Propt Message

[compact shale]

Cease, you fool.

[frigid tinsel]

these pics in particular show something I've noticed in Eden – the skid "washing out" of color, going grayscale, often with the darkness flakes whisking away like how they scatter off melting darkness plants. I have a pic of that happening, let me get my phone

[boreal nebula]

Yeah but I got this amazing view the first I entered there
|| Legally... Warping to Friends had a 50/50 chance of them being in there before release ||

[boreal nebula]

PART1
Everytime we brijng out the camdle to light a stranger...

[frigid tinsel]

Here’s what I mean

[native shoal]

I always saw that as the clay hardening and flaking off, only to be made more malleable again once you re-light yourself, but eventually that doesn’t work anymore once you’ve lost enough winged light

[boreal nebula]

PART2
... we bring out out inner flame , as if it was our heart (like *while the light on chest disappears)

I think that when we connect with others we somehow share a bit of our flame/energy and bring a part of them together with us, even a part of the Spirits we met (first time we met/activate, we even get a tiny wax particle)

Than being said, right before that candle, in all the credits it seems any star/light represent a name, a person who helped bring up the game.
In a way that candle is the heart of the game The result of all the people we met and all the little part all devs put themselves into making this beloved game

[tawdry whale]

LORE KIDS i need assistance!
what would be the closest match to the fabric skids use for their capes? something very drapey and light but still opaque

[frigid tinsel]

ignoring the fact that their capes are made of light, there's a lot of ways their capes manifest. some seem to be made out of a lighter, papery material whiles others seem thick like coats.

[tulip aspen]

omg lmao that was so annoying

[native shoal]

I imagine they’re made of canvas coated in wax or something idk

[native shoal]

WOOLY MANTA

[compact shale]

we have received a greeting from wooly manta

[formal skiff]

WOOLY MANTA

[harsh pecan]

WOOLY MANTA :D

[safe linden]

Wooly manta ♡

[harsh pecan]

Y e s ||btw do you happen to know the other Plant?||

[graceful lance]

I couldn't help but wonder, what exactly IS that giant red crystal looking thing at the center of Eden?

I've always assumed it's what caused the storm there, it seems to be the case, but what exactly IS it?

[compact shale]

Some theorize it's a dark diamond.

But bigger.

[graceful lance]

Makes sense

[foggy lotus]

how big wooly manta compared to sky kid?#

[frigid tinsel]

some are teeny babies. some are elders, the size of whales

[tawdry whale]

i mean in terms of the default cape oop
something like a real life counterpart

[foggy lotus]

have some dollar store vela doodle wit tha wooly manta

[rigid mural]

Gonna be hard to say, the texture can be interpreted in different ways. I'd say fabric but some say it looks like leather.

[harsh pecan]

Awwww

[keen shore]

I am going to agree with this assessment, it would be cool if their capes were just like sails

[sharp lichen]

Wooly mantas are becoming quite a force

[keen shore]

Although I have to wonder… where does fur/pelts being left behind after death fit in with how light creatures work? I’m not saying the fur HAS to come from mantas, but if it comes from any light creature how would you keep it in existence after the animal it came from died? [this especially applies to clothing that looks more like pelts than woven from fur]

[formal skiff]

Any idea what these are?

[rigid mural]

leftovers from light await
this is the eel constellation

[formal skiff]

Also- got mural pictures
They’re not the best but they’re ok

[rigid mural]

maybe the ancestors do a ritual so the light stays this way ?

[compact shale]

Lightseekers have many jobs, including... wool tanning?!

[formal skiff]

Also got pictures of the mantas in sanct if anyone wants them idk

[tulip aspen]

pretty

[keen shore]

My only thought was that maybe that, like bones, skin/fur only stays around if the animal was killed or used for darkstone production, but I’m not sure how that would work in terms of actual anatomy - as in, why would it stick around for one process but not the othe

[compact shale]

"Bones signify unnatural death"

I guess nothing hardens in Orbit or something but idk

[tulip aspen]

furry

[delicate arrow]

Does anyone have any theories about krill now that some new facts have been released during this season?
New facts :

• krill were not always creatures of darkness
• even when not a creature of darkness, krill were predators
• krill?/elder bird used to be ‘processed’/‘forged’ in a similar way to how the forest elder forges mantas

[sharp lichen]

It’s interesting how creatures-both light and dark- act similarly underwater. Maybe it’s a different form of water, with more breathable oxygen?

[delicate arrow]

It is interesting… especially considering that we have multiple species that can fly and swim (and when they do so those actions are similar)

[compact shale]

Some humans see swimming as the closest they'll get to the feeling of flying

[frigid tinsel]

flying is basically swimming in air. a lot of the same physics are at play.

[keen shore]

Hello Everyone today I collected as many pics of spirit memories that contained darkness plants as I could remember, and I have some neat but odd observations. Half of them are from tearful light miner, who I guess got the worlds shortest end of the stick. Someone mentioned rejecting voyager had a plant in their memory, but this isn’t actually true - although they DO have darkness plants growing out of them in the piggyback lightseeker’s spirit memory.

A quick rundown of where each of these came from

1. piggyback lightseeker spirit memory, darkness plants surrounding rejecting voyager
2. slumbering shipwrights memory, had to burn away the darkness plants to progress. Interestingly, although this is a typical follow type quest, the fragment there resembles the fragments from a gather quest (the ones where you’re given them all, like rallying thrillseeker)
3. tearful light miner photo 1 - rocks
4. tearful light miner photo 2 - same spot, comparison after rocks have faded away (since they’re blocking the view of the plants)
5. tearful light miner 3 - darkness plants sprouting out of the sphere in their friend’s chest, needed to be burned away to progress
6. tearful light miner 4 - these plants did not have to be burned to progress, but are sprouting conveniently over their friends graves. If we’re right about how darkness plants work, this means they’re the only one of their friends to not get corrupted despite their best efforts.

There are a few interesting observations here and I will write down shortly what I think they mean

[frigid tinsel]

Salem carrying lorechat with their field research

[keen shore]

Observations & personal explanations

Interesting observation number one is that not only do darkness plants seem to sprout around petrified spirits, but sprout around where their memories take place to possibly leech that light as well. That implies that each phase of a spirit memory is real in some capacity even before we relive them.

One of many ways you can interpret this, and an abridged version of my personal way, is that the spirit is constantly forced to relive their memories before you help, and part of saving them means you need to bring all the light from the memories back to them. I’ll probably talk about this more in depth a separate time because I do have some evidence for it but don’t want to go off on a long tangent.

Interesting observation two is what’s happening in the second photo. Somehow, the darkness plant is effecting how that memory is shown to you, whether that means sapping away its light before it can correctly form or just physically getting in the way of its “projection”. I lean towards the first option, which is neat because it means not only spirits can get corrupted, but fragments of spirit memories as well. Again, will talk more in depth on this and what I think it entails in a bit

My last observation isn’t fully related to the darkness plants, I just noticed how in tearful light miner’s memory the spirit you had to light to continue progressing changed a lot - at some point it was one of the spirits under the rocks, then it was the spirit with a darkness plant sprouting inside them. My somewhat dark explanation as to why that happened is that the light miner absorbed their friends’ light to survive and avoid dying to the same thing as them. It makes the most sense to me, and it’s fun to imagine all the aftereffects of basically absorbing your friends’ souls

TLDR: spirit memories can get corrupted and the tearful light miner got reverse valley elder-ed

[sharp lichen]

Hmm, we should document this observation

[keen shore]

I did make a few other unrelated neat observations while I was out but will wait a bit to post those

[rigid mural]

One of many ways you can interpret this, and an abridged version of my personal way, is that the spirit is constantly forced to relive their memories before you help
I lean towards the first option, which is neat because it means not only spirits can get corrupted, but fragments of spirit memories as well
this is incredibly dark and i love it

[keen shore]

That’s basically my entire thought process (“this is horrific and I love it”) for my personal theories/headcanons, glad to know that’s visible

[harsh pecan]

Smart

[rigid mural]

one of the fears most people have is a fate worse than death; some examples include infinite loops of potentially traumatic memories, and corruption so bad you are no longer recognizable as who you were (such is what happens when the memory you hold onto is fading away).

[frigid tinsel]

being forgotten

[rigid mural]

anyway the spirits aren't doing too good, tgc let us hug tearful light miner

OH OH ON THINGS DYING AND LEAVING SOME LIGHT
i caught the wasteland manta getting krilled, and...

[keen shore]

I imagined the effects of a specific memory getting corrupted as you just forgetting about it/repressing it entirely ||haha what if this is what happened to the sanctuary guide||. As for infinite memory loops, it’s not only the traumatic ones that are heartbreaking. Imagine ones like the confident sightseer, where when you break them out of it they can no longer pretend they’re with their kid and everything is okay with them - they suddenly have to come to terms with literally everyone being dead and probably never seeing their child again! Fun

[sharp lichen]

Lore either makes you sad or turns you mad: and I’m definitely feeling both

[rigid mural]

Boom

Hard to spot, but some light flickers where the manta used to be. Maybe ancestors were like that too, and left some light when they perished.
Your light miner absorbing their comrade's light, although horrifying, reminded me of that.'

[compact shale]

I remember that I once thought that the instruction was "Relieve the spirit's memories" not "Relive the spirit's memories"

Though to be honest either works, some of those memories are seriously painful

[rigid mural]

I think I was there when you realised that lol

[compact shale]

And I was there to see the creation of wooly manta

[keen shore]

Thank you very much for the video! I feel like mantas would probably leave more light behind normally (just because that amount seems Tiny) but the krill probably consumed most of it… I wonder if the spark at the end would stick around longer if it was some place less corrupted like prairie?

[compact shale]

Well, we've said before that krill are not very efficient light-eaters...

[rigid mural]

i kinda kept my distances to not become a casualty but i could go back and get a closer look

[keen shore]

That’s probably the best angle you’d be able to get to see it in profile, considering the layout of the area

[frigid tinsel]

i'm right there, let me take a vid

Manta getting krilled

[rigid mural]

just noticed something, do you think the ancestors powered stuff with the elders power ?

[compact shale]

Let's plug in Teth's hair into this outlet and power the town! Yay!

[rigid mural]

you say that but i've seen some fans theorize some elders were drained of power that way

[frigid tinsel]

don't the Elders need light to have power in the first place? so it'd be like trying to make an infinite machine. oh yay invisible krill

[keen shore]

OOOH YOU MADE ME REMEMBER ONE OF MY SIDE OBSERVATIONS !!

Found a couple of these doors around [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] [isle where boogie kid is, shipwrights house door], and could not figure out what was on them. Until I realized… what if

[harsh pecan]

LMAO

[rigid mural]

It would make sense with Teth and Tsadi looking pretty exhausted; perhaps that prophecy gift was also a curse...

[keen shore]

Re: elder power, I think that if you wanted to, you could rub the valley twins hair together to generate static electricity and use that to power things

[compact shale]

no wonder they fight all the time

they're literally always in each others' hair

[rigid mural]

AGDSSDSDHJ HELP
DYNAMO ELDERS

[frigid tinsel]

interesting how it'd be the ancestors taking advantage of the Elders

[keen shore]

starts up spinning machine in forest temple
Valley elders stuck inside to generate static electricity: AAAAAA

[rigid mural]

i had this headcanon where elders got power from gifting light (somehow...) and... an altar is where you gift stuff to something, right ?
Well maybe they used teth's altar to generate energy

though i dont believe in it anymore rn

[lofty void]

comic sahns

[rigid mural]

easiest font to read

[frigid tinsel]

you just noticed they were using comic sans?

[lofty void]

no i was waiting for the moment i could use a pun

[rigid mural]

HELP IT FLEW OVER MY HEAD

[silk stag]

Hello I'm new on this lore thingy ||even though I've been playing for 2 years 👁️👄👁️||
What's king's role on sky world?

[rigid mural]

mayhem

[compact shale]

*Sah gets hamster-wheeled as an onlooking audience of mantas watches whilst eating salty light

[keen shore]

Wait, in vault elder cutscene aren’t we the ones who put our light into the diamond that projects the “murals”? And in forest elders cutscene they put their light into it? Might be onto something here

[keen shore]

Also ty very much for drawing, it killed me when I saw it and I still can’t look at it without laughing. Also love the implication that they bring their paddles in there as well

[frigid tinsel]

they're using their paddles to smash the hamster wheel so they don't gotta get in it

[keen shore]

I am imagining them simultaneously getting tumbled together and whacked with each other’s paddles repeatedly… like if you stuck them in a dryer

[compact shale]

they'll need a dryer after performing the extremely intense process of draining the ice rink

[keen shore]

How would they drain the ice rink? By drinking all the water?

[raw crypt]

sipping it up with straws

[compact shale]

With the power of LIGHTS

[keen shore]

Get stuck in dryer -> they become intensely thirsty -> drain ice rink -> become incredibly wet -> need to be put in dryer
It’s a vicious cycle (pun not intended)

[eager pagoda]

I went into this chat and this is the first thing I saw

[rigid mural]

why are you guys tumble drying the valley elders

[keen shore]

They know what they did

[tulip aspen]

what examples do you have for observation one?

for observation number two, i dont know if you recall, but i also had the idea that the plants that only appear mid-memory actually may signify where someone died in a relevant way to the spirit's story; this is best displayed with light miner

[frigid tinsel]

so we don't know exactly what the king's role is/was. they're the king so obviously they had responsibility over the whole kingdom. some think they okay'd power diamond production despite the pollution and animal cruelty it required. some think they made that giant diamond in Eden, some think they set it off and created the storm, intentionally or not. some think the king was Chosen One, the (proto) skykid who first completed all four Trials in the Cave of Prophecy, who rose from prince to king.

devs have said that the king is "beyond saving" or "not around to be saved" but have also hinted that they're present in the game, just "not in the way you may think."

some think the king was shattered in the Eden explosion and their scattered remains became skykids (we're the king theory). some think the king is the white featureless kid we hug after dying in Eden. some think the king was utterly obliterated in the Eden explosion, hence being "beyond saving."

[keen shore]

Examples for observation one is picture 1 (darkness sprouts around memory projection of rejecting voyager) and picture 2 (darkness sprouts around one of shipwrights memory fragments)
I tried to get the best pictures I could, but other spirits besides the one whose memory is actively being relived are almost always nearly transparent and difficult to see. Combine that with the dark tunnel and plants surrounding them, not to mention being really careful with the angle so you don’t accidentally force the memory into the next stage, and it’s a struggle to see what’s happening sometimes

Also Re: observation, that could be true, although iirc rejecting voyager appears in the same memory again after that happens. I wasn’t looking for that, though, so may need to relive it to doublecheck

[harsh pecan]

The monarch involved with power diamonds

[rigid mural]

tearful light miner got to be one of the biggest Ls of the kingdom when it comes to emotes tho, i feel really bad for them

[rapid arrow]

BRB bout to relive tearful light miner

[keen shore]

They are quickly becoming my favorite spirit next to praying acolyte, because I want to give them a hug and the idea of them being a bunch of different souls accidentally trapped together after the cave in is the perfect mixture of horrifying and neat

[rigid mural]

kinda like amalgamates in undertale ? i imagine the TLP season spirits are that too, amalgamates of lost memories, a story that came from the Light knows where, and... a scrap of the elders ?

[keen shore]

I may need to stop myself early before I start headcanoning everything in the sky universe as amalgams

[rigid mural]

no go on, you're so right, we're putting spirit memories in the kingdom ruins mixer tonight

[keen shore]

Also agree with you, I don’t think the TLP spirits were ancestors to begin with. I kinda subscribe to fruitys idea that they were each made to mock different elders, because they seem to act more like exaggerated stereotypes than actual people. Combine that with the fact that even the places they live are an extension of those stereotypes AND vault’s already known projection technology, plus them not ascending, it seems the most likely bet

[rigid mural]

ehhh i feel like the TLP spirits weren't "made" either, more like what happens when memories get so weak they latch onto a story to continue existing; the stereotypes are from the book

i headcanon the TLP spirits may be what kids think adults are, but deep down they do care about the prince and sky children, maybe they would tell them to not make the same mistakes as they did (i totally see geographer regretting they never left their area so seeing winged kids... and of course slouching soldier).

[keen shore]

Oh, so it’s like…the spirits got corrupted so much that only one aspect of their personality was left and that became their entire personality? Or am I misinterpreting

[rigid mural]

kinda yeah
the amalgamates in undertale never really separate after all, they find a way to live around their... predicament. so maybe the TLP spirits do that

[raw crypt]

I have my own take that i dont talk about a lot but i think the concept of these being guys who did live that got stuck merged with a story book bc perhaps their body or memory got lost so it latched onto an area where it could exist, somewhere with documentation on them, and they became seasonal spirits because of similarities is rlly funny to me

lamed; wske up geographer we have a new season on the way
geographer: lamed…,….

[rigid mural]

they are holding onto memories that aren't even real

[harsh pecan]

RIP

[frigid tinsel]

under that idea, maybe that's why they didn't ascend

[raw crypt]

YHANK YOU

[tulip aspen]

oh yes, i mean that someone ELSE died besides the person who's memory it is

[rigid mural]

the tlp spirits are what happens when ur a fictional character with the personality of a toilet paper roll possessed by the remnants of the memories of local dead people & a small bit of the local cryptid

[raw crypt]

too much pathetic man swag

[compact shale]

Voluntary's old TLP ideas were kinda like amalgamates too, but different

[keen shore]

Yeah! Sorry for lack of clarification, I meant that too - the rejecting voyager just shows up fine in the next phase to my recollection

[rigid mural]

-slouch emotes lvl4 at u-

[tulip aspen]

o okay were you not talking about voyager's memory?

[keen shore]

I was talking about the piggyback lightseeker’s one. The voyager shows up in it near the end, and you have to burn a darkness plants over their body to progress

If we can talk to tlp spirits [as shown in cutscenes] and they latched on to the elders memories, can we exploit this by interviewing them for lore

[raw crypt]

i feel like none of them would answer correctly

[frigid tinsel]

Gloating Narcissist would prob lie to make their life seem more grandiose than it was

[rigid mural]

i feel like they aren't in a state they can give answers that make sense

[keen shore]

We can tell if they’re telling the truth or not by seeing if the lamplighter knows about forest elders hidden fursuit

[raw crypt]

of course they went to a convention with them

[frigid tinsel]

Fruitzie killed me with this

[rigid mural]

i think that ambiguity is cool, for a collab season
also vault being ironically the vaguest realm is funny

[raw crypt]

SORRY I CANNOT.
BEHAVE

BUT i do rlly rlly like the idea of the spirits representing the elders, bc I also have subscribe to 3 other theories that make me analyze and think abt the elder personalities, the besties

[keen shore]

I think if any of the vault spirits knew how vague vault was to us they would have an aneurysm

[compact shale]

Does this statement cover the spirits too

Maybe we should ask Ash if the season has anything for lore that isn't just within itself

[frigid tinsel]

vault spirits: you're not telling any of the skids our history?
Vault Elder: well–
vault spirits: you haven't taught them how to read?

[raw crypt]

well id think so, TLP as a season to me has always been what you take away from it, your personal experience, hence why it’s difficult to find things objective to discuss in lore about it

whether its real, whats fake and whats real is up to you imo

[compact shale]

Yeah

If we're talking about TLP

We're definitely not canonchasing

:p

We're just as tinfoil as cozylore rn

[keen shore]

“Listen I can explain, every time I tried to teach them how to read… they just… honked at me?”

[compact shale]

SEASON OF LITERACY PLEASE

DON'T BE SCARED TGC

GIVE US THE GIFT OF LITERACY

[tulip aspen]

oh wow, i gotta check that out

[compact shale]

I have a piece that describes in detail why you should NOT turn off the Starlight Desert lantern for more than 30 seconds.

[rigid mural]

we could interpret stuff instead of asking devs tho
im trying to voice what bothers me about "lets ask ash when they come by"
but like... just saying... TLP being real or not is exactly the kind of stuff that is more interesting to leave up to the player

[gilded socket]

Yeah the whole point of sky is that the lore is open ended
Asking for too much info would invalidate that
Though I reckon Ash knows the limits

[keen shore]

I do want confirmation if we get stuff right but I also don’t want to rely on one person if that makes sense

[rigid mural]

Ash is a visual dev, i think tidbits like "flight ult is based off prairie elder outfit" and "animal masks reflect a role the spirit had" is exactly the kind of lore to expect from them.
But like, asking things pertaining to the big lore stuff like the king or whether stuff in the vault is real or not always yielded vague answers

[soft timber]

gives wooly mantas

[compact shale]

I don't have a title for this area yet, but it's basically the reality under Starlight Desert's illusion, which will make you not want to destroy that lantern

Beneath a pitch-black starless sky are dunes of white sand sparkling with flecks of purple quartz. Only the moon shines above, providing light which reflects onto the quartz and produces purple light. Ghost Lily grow in solitude, scattered around the sands. Cold gusts blow erratically. This was the penultimate area ancestors walked in their rebirthpilgrimage to Eden.

The purple light created a constant fog around the desert. When ancestors walked through it, the purple light would create an illusion that they weren't moving forward, making them feel as if they can't endure the wind, no matter how hard they try.

TW for mild mentions of ||ending your own life||
||The purple light could also create illusions forcing the ancestors to relive their worst sins, temptations, and traumas over and over again. It's said that some have remained in those illusions for so long that they have died of old age, or they had ended their lives themselves. Those unfortunate ancestors still remain there, without any hope of ascension as of now.||

The only way to escape from the illusions is to find a Blooming Spark and touch it. Blooming Sparks grow through illusions and provide hope and temporarily dispel all illusions the ancestor is currently plagued by.

After 24 hours of walking forward without stopping for more than 1 minute, the illusions will clear, revealing the bottom of Eden's mountain in front of successful journeyers.

Edit: ITS A FANFIC FANFIC WARNING WHOOPE

[hushed steeple]

look at this. Its a general map of forest embroydered on a blanket in the assembly tree house. The three strange yellow symbols are markers for the other three club houses. I wonder if we can find those symbols anywhere else in sky?

[rigid mural]

In the little treehouses that have a shortcut to the map you are in, in the screenshot !

[native shoal]

Now we just need them to confirm the previous existence of wooly mantas

[keen shore]

Not going to lie, I totally expected the answer to be “massive body piles from wasteland’s war” but this makes more sense

[soft timber]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

The forest brook tree house symbol feels familiar to me. Was it from the caverns? or somewhere else? I think it was a bunch of pots.

[keen shore]

Yeah, it was on a bunch of pots near the assembly treehouse

[compact shale]

Why did I laugh at this-

[frigid tinsel]

fascinating ✨
thank you for sharing

[hushed steeple]

Ah, ok that makes since. Now we know they might be marking things with those symbols. lets be sure to keep an eye out just in case.

[compact shale]

"Oh, yeah, let's hide our giant corpse garden with mockeries of the elders! It's their fault, after all, right?"

[hushed steeple]

Ayyyye. Purple light. that brings me back to my beginner lore chat days.

[keen shore]

fruity: detailed and lore accurate explanation for what’s underneath starlight desert
Me: bodies EVERYWHERE

[compact shale]

Oh I forgot to mention

In this fanfic the spirits are real. They got trapped by the illusions and are still trapped. By putting the entire place into the illusive plane, they are much easier for others to see.

[proud frigate]

What if the bones in graveyard of wasteland are manta

[tulip aspen]

exactly!

[compact shale]

It's rare to see spirits use glowing emotes outside their trees.

Maybe that's why the Lightseekers are extracting tree light.

...to make them emotes go glowy glowy because they're... dead... and there's not much else fun when you're dead...

[tulip aspen]

can we archive every time spirits use glowy emotes?

i think that might help salem and i come to a conclusion about them

[compact shale]

Tebkanlo's writing a whole damn essay

[boreal nebula]

1. not sure if confirmed by golden ascension color that's rejecting spirit, Ineed to double check
2. that pick up animation was there even before any Assembly collecting quest (probably in Light Awaits it was part of any spirit memory fragment) but it is nice that animation is alive and has a purpose
3. smooth disks of darkness are Maybe remnants of early stage of darkplants from Light Away. 4 of those dark slabs are in GW (in Respectful Pianist path, just for utility, not in the memory) and if you check closely the concept arts of Forest Temple as Factory there were many more like these there in forest (along some other water lily dark plants, like lotus but without a flower)

SIDE NOTE: these differences in HF Temple are among the many reason why I think Temples are not mere Factories in game anymore t

[weary escarp]

the dark flora makes me wonder what exactly happened during the collapse

I expect a gruesome zombie-like fighting scene tbh, since we already know that the dark can corrupt fauna like crabs and make them aggressive

[weary escarp]

there's a theory about how he's the "unsaveable elder", one that gathered too much light and caused an imbalance and therefore the collapse

on the other hand, kinda strange that eden's full of the dark while allegedly being that one place overflowing with light to cause imbalances in other regions

(perhaps it all launched to orbit hence the upwards projection of the power diamond-esque thingy?)

[boreal nebula]

I do hope the Lightseeker in Forest already visited that small mine, paid respect to those lost souls and hugged the survived Light Miner 🫂 🥲

[compact shale]

A dev has indeed said that the king is beyond saving!

though its origin is... obscure sheesh

[boreal nebula]

I'd like it better that Confident Sightseer are recalling how wonderful was the first time They were there with their kid, maybe the last part (when we need to tap, to finish reliving that) is a second time they visited that spot and recalling First time

A memory inside a memory. We also don't see their face, imagine if we could see Them old with a nostalgic/glad tear 🥲

[compact shale]

Being batted around being unsure of the reality of your child is pretty OUCH too

[boreal nebula]

I remember there were Old Beta videos with darkplants/rocks there too, but probably Devs didn't want force players to relive Eden just for daily CR (especially before there was this Collecting Ligh System)

[boreal nebula]

Now that I think about it, in Light Miner's memories there are rudimental tombs made out of rocks.

Maybe it was a custom of the Sky Kingdom, to bury the body and remembering the dead with Tombstones on social grounds.

After they collected their light they layed down the Soul in the empty hole/heart in Tombstones.

After all Before we find a default spirit tombstones don't have a white flame Which later appears in front of the hole. Only when we get close to it, the saved spirit is summoned.

Another thing that might be hinted by the Lightseekers treehug is that ritual (Level 4 Butterfly Emote, Hug, DayDreaming-ish to collect) is very similar to the ceremony started by Ceremony Whisperer. But we as a sky kid interpret it as a Teamwork

Moth : *misunderstand* ritual
Ancestor : *chuckles*
Ancestor : "yeah, good job, kid"

[nimble ingot]

Ancestor: Bows at a shrine
Skykid: Kneels down beside them
Ancestor: Bows again
Skykid: Bashes head on the ground

[boreal nebula]

I always thought that the tiny gift of light, sent through a solemn ritual of peoeple walking on the two sides and taking that platforms was all to grant a little energy that Teth Forest Elder was able to amplify.
So in a way, yes, She/They elder powered it. But now it seems to work more with the giant Golden Dynamo on the ceiling

Teth bored to death of daily routing
Teth thinking
And that's how genial ideas come up 💡
|| L A Z Y N E S S ||

[boreal nebula]

LOL..
Ancestors gives a band aid 🩹
sky kid : "OOH! a cool cosmetic!"

[compact shale]

Pfft! They should've offered Prairie soil instead!

[boreal nebula]

Battery type:
•AA
•AAA
•AAAAAA

[nimble ingot]

Which elder would be the best Santa?

Dawn
Day
Wasteland
One of the Valley twins

[harsh pecan]

Day

[compact shale]

is too old and their elderbones would break
are 1000 decibels too loud to be Santa
might be using the spear to break into houses
is very round but it could work

[nimble ingot]

lol.
I though dawn would have the beard to back him up, and has a boat to fly around the realms with. Plus his birds would be cool stand ins for raindeer.
I can see the twins would be too rowdy for a gentle and loving figure.
Wasteland is big, but perhaps would be too scary for the small children, fair enough.
So, day.

Lol, imagine him trying on a beard to look more like the part XD

[compact shale]

Tsadi: DECK THE HALLS WITH BOUGHS OF HOLLY- *destroys a door with their giant spear
: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[nimble ingot]

you know the mistle toe gag?
I am sure half of these folks know who would be messing around with that.

[compact shale]

how did you say the t-word without getting deleted

[nimble ingot]

?
Please dont get me in trouble for saying something I did not know is a sore spot on the server.

[compact shale]

lemme dm you for context

[nimble ingot]

Just dont push it.

It is already risky enough to talk about christmas in March.

Betcha Granny can be Ms. Clause.
The days of feast event had that vibe. ❤️

[tulip aspen]

i think they removed the ban after we had that talk with miri, let's hope no one ever ruins it again for us if so

[compact shale]

mmm i see

[tranquil harbor]

Someone please DM me context

[compact shale]

may i

[tranquil harbor]

This is the first time I've been on a discord server where people actually have preferences to be warned before someone DMs them and it's tripping me up because I'm just not in the habit of checking.

Also Day would make best santa. He is large and gentle. Iconic santa vibes.

[sharp lichen]

But the Isle elder has the classic Santa beard!

[tranquil harbor]

Isle elder is a spindly twig man tho. He doesn't give the jolly vibes. Slap a fake beard on prairie and we're golden

[compact shale]

isle elder will break their elderbones before they get in your house

[sharp lichen]

Isle Elder can take down a squad of skykids. They’re strong!

[tranquil harbor]

Bro he can barely lift the flame with his cane

[sharp lichen]

Look at Ayin (prairie elder), they’re too tired to do anything

[tranquil harbor]

Lore chat bout to fight the great Santa war of '22
Other people are gonna wonder why Santa is a banned word

[compact shale]

Santa is satan

[tranquil harbor]

So by that logic: A krill would make the best santa

You better watch out, you better watch out-

[compact shale]

You better not make any sorta sound

[tranquil harbor]

Santa Krill is coming~ to toooooown

[hushed steeple]

i bet there's already someone that have thought of this earlier than me. anyway here's a piece of what's actually a dark dragon a.k.a krill is. i have a theory that they are maybe actually some kind of god that help us (skykids) in the old days but got killed by us due to our greed (as usual) so they got reincarnated as the evil god that will kill us as they harbor intense hatred towards our ancestors.

[native shoal]

Isle elder would be the mall Santa, prairie elder would actually do the work

[static meteor]

valley elders as the sassy assistant elves

[native shoal]

The valley elders drive the sled boat thing and bicker

Forest elder is the one actually making the toys, Vault elder is the one managing the lists, and wasteland elder is there for moral support

[tranquil harbor]

Wasteland elder is the one catching the krill they use as a reindeer

[nimble ingot]

Rudolph the red nosed Dark Dragon, had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw it, you can even say it glows.

All of the other reindeer, couldn't believe Santa's fatal choice.
They wouldn't even let Rudolph, near any candles tonight.

It is funny to see the chat has a holiday theme going still. XD

Dawn can possibly be a grinch, or just be there to supervise the kids.
The valley twins would make ideal santa's helper elves. Provided Teth (forest elder) is the head elf of the the operation.

[tranquil harbor]

I kept reading that in song form to the end.

Honestly the twins are probably more responsible than the fandom gives them credit for. They're in charge of the valley, and the place gives vibes of prosperity. There is a divide between rich and working class housing, but no sign of slums, even in concept art.
Plus, sports tend to require a certain level of discipline and control.

[nimble ingot]

Maybe that is why the realm needed two elders instead of just one.

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe it's because there were two people to share the work

One would always be able to take a break so they're not making odd judgement calls because of exhaustion, and they'd always have a second opinion to brain storm.
And sure, the elders clearly have some kind of bickering and contest thing going on (our poor light), but they also have a tendency to move in amazing co-ordination, so they do work well as a team

Fandom: They bicker and fight always
The Valley itself: They are an unstoppable team
(I like it a lot)

[native shoal]

They bicker and fight on only the small things

When they’re discussing how to set up the economy of valley to last a thousand years they work together perfectly
When they’re trying to bake cookies they’re yelling at each other because one likes cookies soft and the other likes them crispy

[tranquil harbor]

You. Keep Talking. You get it.

[native shoal]

It’s like their teamwork is proportional to how big of a deal it is

[tranquil harbor]

There are lots of people who seem average or even like they'd be detrimental to something, but then come in clutch when it matters

[native shoal]

Krills in Valley? No problem it’s handled
A merchant is being unfair? Easy to resolve
They’re trying to make instant mashed potatoes? They burned the house down

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder how that works. Assuming elders eat, did they have to make their own food? Were they like royalty and had staff for it? Was their shrine a place of worship and the ancestors would bring food as offerings?

[native shoal]

They got the 3am craving for instant mashed potatoes and all of the staff was asleep

They seem too competent to actually burn down the house but the instant mashed potatoes did catch fire and set off the smoke alarm

[nimble ingot]

In their hurry for making crispy fries, they invented chips.

[tranquil harbor]

Realistic: the elders aren't helpless and can make instant mash potatoes
Funny: they burn water

[native shoal]

Accidentally invent chips when they cut their potato slices too thin

[tranquil harbor]

There is also the fact that the person to see the twins act like fools was our sky kid. A literal child, who is about to go into wasteland/eden. Like, they introduced themself to our kid by acting in synch and looking really cool, then tried to take the light in a professional manner, gently reaching out their hand so it could be given to them. They didn't drop that act until did their thing.

[native shoal]

This is favoritism bias but I think the one that can really cook is the wasteland elder or the prairie elder

[tranquil harbor]

There was an idea that they have a more serious/threatening side that they don't show to the kids, and tbh I'd believe it. It'd be amusing if their more fun side was something they didn't show to the ancestors. (ancestor children may or may not be an exception)

[native shoal]

They’re just that meme where they tell an ancestor of all the dumb stuff they do and it’s just “Why are you telling me this?” “Because no one will believe you.”

[real jungle]

Does anyone have a google doc or smn with lore on Megabird?

[tranquil harbor]

A doc exists. I do not have it tho.

[real jungle]

Ah ok

[native shoal]

Alright now who do we think is the one who has random skills for no reason

[nimble ingot]

(vault elder) lamed, knowing the best jokes.

[tranquil harbor]

vault elder or forest elder. Vault Elder is probs smart, and it's possible they know a lot of things. Forest Elder just seems like they know how to get things done

[native shoal]

Vault elder would turn around speaking a long dead language if you startle them, Forest elder knows the exact methods of beekeeping

[tranquil harbor]

But Prairie Elder, despite being sleepy, just has the vibe of someone who is also reliable. Their gentleness with the butterfly and strength helps it I guess. The flight guide was his apprentice weren't they? Which implies he knows how to teach.

Prairie Elder pulls out random skills because he is an experienced hard worker kind of person

[native shoal]

Resh would know how to paint racing mantas and that’s about it

Well there’s probably other things but

[nimble ingot]

h̶̀̅o̸̎̈́o̷͆̌l̵͚̾ḯ̵͝g̸̍͝a̷̋͠n̵̿̎

When skykids are out of control and Lamed had enough.

[native shoal]

He paints one all edgy and names it shadow

[nimble ingot]

Imagine him making tiny ships in a bottle.

[nimble ingot]

Vela might like this idea XD

[tranquil harbor]

I like how gentle the vault elder is to our sky kid. The offering of the diamond, the gentle nods when the child seems unsure. They're not just some smart person, they know enough wisdom to be gentle

You expect someone who's smart to be 'better than you' in behavior I guess but they're just not

[native shoal]

Sky Halloween comes around and Lamed starts chasing people on stilts and in a big big cloak with glowy things on it, yelling and whispering things in a dead language. Shortly after they are asked to stop

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder gives me vibes of “I know too much and that is a curse.”

[native shoal]

Someone asks them what the cursed word is (the kind of words people tell you to not Google but you do anyways) and they either give them a too detailed explanation or don’t answer

[tranquil harbor]

I just like that the NPCs consistently act like they know we're children. I know at least 3 season guides off the top of my head who offer hugs, and all the elders are pretty gentle and unthreatening in their mannerisms. (Save for impatient forest mama and the valley elders, who have fun with you instead)

[frigid tinsel]

Forest Elder: ugh the children are back. Get out of here

[lofty void]

im here to remind yall that the Valley elders like salt n pepper on their apple slices and that Vault elder dips cookies into their coffee in a way so it leaves crumbles at the bottom of the mug :)

[frigid tinsel]

Goals

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but real talk is that canon or just a fun thing that was thought of at some point in here

[lofty void]

It’s canon

[tranquil harbor]

Show meeeeeeeeeee

[hardy gazelle]

I don't quite understand it.

[frigid tinsel]

Sounds like something Ash would say

[tranquil harbor]

Why did the bot delete my question mark...

[lofty void]

thats because she DID say that

[late wasp]

it's not canon. Ash has said those tips are just a joke

[lofty void]

Oh, they are? Aww

still funny though

[raw crypt]

canon in our hearts

[tranquil harbor]

I don't see why fun tips like those can't be canon if they don't directly contradict lore. it's all in good fun.
Also, someone needs to try that combo and get back to us on if the valley elders are nuts

[late wasp]

it's more like, if there was a spinoff where the characters are in our world, those things would be how they are.

[lofty void]

I volunteer as tribute <3

[frigid tinsel]

I would but I’m allergic to apples

[queen pike]

mmmm that's some good lore

[delicate anvil]

Are those scratch/claw marks on the pot or am i just looking too deep into this?

[nimble ingot]

those are marks alright.

[delicate anvil]

Checked, that is the only pot with a scratch like that i think

[delicate anvil]

Also i actually have before. Salt and pepper on appy slices are actually kinda good

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I kinda figured salt would work actually because of salty sweet

[delicate anvil]

It's quite nice 😌
One more reason to like Sahmekh

[soft timber]

Sahmekh look like the kind of spirits to show off their skills in a playful way and entertain skids

Besides races and ice skating, what other kinds of games and competitions would happen in Valley?

[keen shore]

Beat the crap out of each other competition

[tranquil harbor]

The sport that their paddles/constellation hints exists. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there were actual fights, and our kids simply aren't allowed to participate

[lofty void]

they play theatre games as a sport, assuming Valley is the entertainment hotspot in the kingdom

[sharp lichen]

It’s absolutely nothing compared to Chaat Masala with apple slices. The best combination in the history of fruit!

[lofty void]

competitive theatre games, no mercy whatsoever.

[hushed steeple]

Hi

[soft timber]

No items, final destination, ferals only

[safe linden]

I like to think that the sky kids see each other as siblings

Also that the little "hum" that the kids make when you tap them, is actually screaming

Like to us its a gentle hum, but to the kids its "WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?" or "GET OVER HERE!"

[tranquil harbor]

Just, the concept of the kids screaming at each other when right next to each other is too funny

[safe linden]

Y'know how in Zelda navi goes "hey! Listen!"? Same thing but much much louder

I like to think that the calls are specifically for the sky kids only, so if they were ever to encounter someone "normal". They wouldn't understand a thing the sky kids are saying

Sky kid: vague calls and humming
Rando: what the hell are you saying

[safe linden]

They're very passionate

[safe linden]

When they spam the call when directly near someone it means "I love you! I love you! I love you!"

[nimble ingot]

Skykid at a door would constantly make noise until someone comes to help them open the door.
Just for half of them to be like cats, where they turn around and run right back out.

[safe linden]

They are exactly like cats

[soft timber]

I do this in a very light-hearted way, may even be like "Hi! Hello! I missed you! I was worried about you! You are amazing!"

[safe linden]

Exactly

[queen pike]

lore gets better and better!

[safe linden]

The first sky kid to die by krill absolutely tried to pet it

And then tried again after they were re-lit

[queen pike]

rip sky kid

[rigid mural]

Ok but "valley twin elder spirits" ?
So are samekh:

• twins
• two entities
• spirits

Cos if the elders are spirits too then...

[frigid tinsel]

Ash deliberately edited that in to mess with us

[keen shore]

That can either Mean

• clarification that elders are in fact Dead
• elders are or were the same species as ancestors

[tranquil harbor]

I really don't think the elders and ancestors are the same creature. But I also don't think the elders are dead

[rigid mural]

But what if

[tranquil harbor]

It's stated somewhere that the elders are elders because they're ancient as all get out, isn't it?

[keen shore]

Also hmmmmm…. I am trying to think of ways to find if elders were the same species as ancestors at one point [but maybe gained special powers?] Going to check the mural doc really quickly, might find something in prophecy murals.

The only other thing I can think of is that if you argue spirits have the ability to create illusions like in vault it’s not too far of a leap to say that given much more power and practice, they can create pocket dimensions in the same level as fhe elders

[delicate arrow]

Hello lorechat… sorry to interrupt… however…
I have been looking at the boats in Golden wasteland (gw) and decided to put what I found into a slide. I’m super excited to finally be contributing to the lore community! (You might have to zoom in on the slide)

[pastel brook]

[keen shore]

As I expected prophecy murals don’t help much. They still are depicted as slightly bigger than ancestors in all of them, so it’s hard to tell if that means anything

[tranquil harbor]

I was under the impression that the elders specifically were fallen stars. Like, they fell down, got found by the ancestors, and they were so... I dunno, godly(? to ancestors) that the ancestors put them in charge

[keen shore]

“Lighthouse” on the shipwreck is a smaller version of a king turret, thought to be basically laser cannons, so this would be the equivalent of a ship with cannons on it afaik

[tranquil harbor]

Either way I don't think they're ancestors because they're ancient, and I don't think they're dead because a creature that can live in that manner sounds hard to kill. (And if they ARE ancestors, we know they're not dead because they look nothing like the spirits)

We know they have one, and people have tried to translate it not even days before

[delicate arrow]

Cannoneers name would make more sense if that is the case… instead of just harpoons we have actual weapons…

[tranquil harbor]

I don't. They were trying to translate vault elder's headdress, so maybe type something like that in the search bar

[keen shore]

I’m not saying they might be STILL ancestors (that statement would be obviously untrue) but that they were at some point and somehow changed into their current forms via an unspecified process

[tranquil harbor]

Makes sense

[keen shore]

My current guess for how the elders function is that they fell from the sky similar to how the king did and just grew up over time. You can see in a vault mural that, as the result of the passage of time between the prophecy murals and then, the king is taller. It’s not too much of a leap to say they all came from the same place.

Personally, I still want more evidence to be able to prove that theory to myself and others, but it’s a topic with very little evidence to begin with unfortunately

[tranquil harbor]

I thought the elders fell as adults. That's why they're 'elders', VS the king, who might be a sky kid.

[keen shore]

I mean, maybe [it is hilarious to think isle elder just spawned like that]. My personal idea for how it works is that it’s an event that happens once every set period of time, and that’s why every elder is a different age.
Again, like I said before, I can’t really debate this outside of personal headcanons due to lack of evidence :(

[delicate arrow]

Question for lore chat… are OOBs considered canon?

[keen shore]

Sometimes, but probably not 100% of the time. There are some OOBS that are immensely helpful to lore

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, if the OOB is used in a cutscene then it's canon. But like, the concept of an out of bounds area being canon? Like, you can get to Elder Cutscene from somewhere on the map? Yeah, I am calling it now. Absolutely not canon.

Also @keen shore it's just fun to think about in general

[keen shore]

Yeah, there are tons of topics like that just don’t have evidence but are fun to discuss. I thought I’d add the disclaimer just so people would know it wasn’t a claim I could back up, just my personal interpretation

[pine mango]

What are oobs?

[nimble ingot]

Out of Bounds

Areas that are outside of the intended play area in the game

[pine mango]

Ohhh okay

[nimble ingot]

Some of the known OOBs that I can recall may include, the rainbow bridge in Dawn, above the cave are in Day, Above the clouds in Forest, The secret plane above the Flight area, The tall towers above the flying race in Valley, the Coliseum in Dream Village in valley, The empty desert in Starlight desert in Vault, Under the office in Vault, and above the clouds in ||Eden.||

[tidal valve]

idk if I’d consider rainbow bridge an oob? bc it’s still in the game I feel like it’s a feature that they kept bc people liked it so much, correct me if I’m wrong though lmao

[tranquil harbor]

oob just stands for Out of Bounds. If you're not meant to get to it without glitches and stuff then it's an oob

[nimble ingot]

It is called oob since it is high up in the clouds and the game did not intend for players to venture up there.
If it is not oob, then I was wrong with that assessment.

[tulip aspen]

yea, the sheer lack of evidence is why i prefer and believe that they are simply deities sent by the Light

it's also a narratively much simpler concept than giving them whole development stories as ancestors, plus i just like it more ig

i definitely can see the appeal behind wanting them to have HAD a physical development cos then people can make up cool stories about their character development or whatever

[tidal valve]

Ahhh ok ok ty!

[grim python]

they actually added it back in one patch after accidentally removing it lol

but yeah it is an oob

[tranquil harbor]

An OOB can be something as small as underneath the map in vault to something as big as literally the stadium where the valley elder cutscene takes place

[tidal valve]

What oobs are good for lore? The elder oobs?

[nimble ingot]

You are right though.
It was removed at one point, due to it being an accident.

Players got upset and asked for it to be added back.
OOBs like that one (if it is called that to begin with), have become part of the game's history. And is seen as a location for players to reach and share with friends.

[nimble ingot]

Lorewise, OOBs lets us explore areas that we would not have been able to investigate previously, such as the elder rooms.

[tranquil harbor]

Though it's still not technically 'intended' in the natural way of playing

[keen shore]

Not going to lie, 90% of the reason I headcanon them as having the same life cycle of the king is because I like imagining kid versions of them. The other 10% is just because it’s one of the simpler explanations

[tidal valve]

Meet the elders oob is cool, the murals up close r super grainy lmao but I can’t complain bc... we aren’t meant to be there anyways?

[tranquil harbor]

Kid versions are cute and I need them, but the idea of them being older than dirt itself is so fascinating.

[tidal valve]

I never really questioned elders existence lmao I just kinda thought they were like god, they just exist but ugh now thinking about it I’d like to know how

[nimble ingot]

lol, yes.
Skykids are not supposed be there to jump on the elder's heads and zoom about in the dark rooms. XD

[tranquil harbor]

Valley Elders and Forest Elder, at least, it's not hard to imagine kid versions. Just make them lil

[tidal valve]

It scared me so much when I was near them and they all stood up, actually jumpscared fanf in sky mum pick me up I’m scared

[keen shore]

To be fair… they can be both

I don’t know which is funnier. The thought of kid version of isle elder or the idea that they just… spawned like that

[tulip aspen]

there's no solid evidence on this but I've always headcanoned that the king actually never grew up!
(mech, still child as Chosen One, ect)
so i guess using that, the elders having a locked 'age' made more sense to me

[nimble ingot]

lol how did you manage that?
I usually find them already standing up.

[tidal valve]

u don’t have 2 make vault little bc they r already teeny tiny

[tranquil harbor]

The King is a sky child on stilts in a trench coat, you can't change my mind

[tranquil harbor]

Vault elder seems like an adult tho, even if they are short for an elder.

[tidal valve]

bruh idk man, everytime I’m there they r always sitting and then they stand it’s the scariest stuff

[keen shore]

I Like to headcanon that too!! It also makes the most sense if you say that the light kid you hug after dying in Eden is the king [which is a reasonable assumption, although can’t remember the evidence for it atm]
Plus if we say we’re bits of the king that will never grow up, that makes sense too, because neither did they - god cursed them to stay 3ft tall Forever

[tidal valve]

I also agree with tiny little prince bc in the concept art when he’s giant there’s still a little guy inside there

[tulip aspen]

its just that personally, i would see it being much crazier, that they pressured a child ancestor in their teens to take on the fate of the kingdom, sounds so intense and unfair, and i love it

[nimble ingot]

I want to see that.
Do you skip the cutscene when you are about to pay them a visit?
That and do you chibi fall to them, or do you warp to your friend while they are watching the cutscene?

[tulip aspen]

there's a few unbalanced theories but there is solid evidence that we're unfortunately not allowed to talk to as that evidence was gained by the community through means that are against TOS

[delicate arrow]

Oh and about physical evidence for elders being ascended ancestors, the shields in gw might be helpful? The shields & spears scattered around the final area before the temple seem to signify that the ancestors changed size over time (not just hight)… meaning they aged. -or they had size spells too… and we just haven’t seen them-

[tidal valve]

Ugh I got in there by finishing vault cutscene, getting into that weird room, Rocket then getting into the cube thing, by falling all the way into the water (scary) placing table or something u can stand on helps otherwise u will just rocket? Underwater? And then entering the cube

I think the only thing we know about the elders origins is that they can’t be skykids or spirits, they probably mention a lot more elder lore in live-streams but idk

[keen shore]

sees dark headcanon
….
adds it to headcanon universe

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids are a subspecies of Elders. Unless that's outdated.

[delicate arrow]

Does anyone have a theory on who the first spirit who gives you your wl back in ||orbit|| is?

[keen shore]

Keep in mind even the oldest skykids have canonically existed for a very short time, so even if we would grow eventually, it makes sense that we haven’t grown yet. Especially if you consider us maybe having a timespan the length of what the elder’s probably is

[tranquil harbor]

At the very least we may know what their 'adult' height looks like (if they can even grow up) thru use of size potions.

[tidal valve]

wait you mean in that uh part when your walking towards the door and the spirits are giving you the wing buffs?

[nimble ingot]

Ah, I skip the cutscenes, so what may have happened is you finish the cutscene and then it somehow resets.
Which might be why they down move when skipped, but somehow re-enacts the scene when watched throughout.

I'll try it, thanks ❤️

[keen shore]

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by it being outdated? Is there evidence for this?

[delicate arrow]

Yes but before you step onto the constellation/friend stone circle

[tidal valve]

Good luck! It’s actually terrifying but have fun

[nimble ingot]

What if the golden jars are not butterfly jars, but urns?
How many golden jars do we see with butterflies coming out of them, vs the squarish clay jars?

[tranquil harbor]

I mean 'I've heard this info, but lots of things ended up getting scrapped in concept so I don't know if it's true now'

[tidal valve]

Man I haven’t been in orbit as a moff for ages, the bald wl children? right?

[nimble ingot]

Word of advice, try unlocking the valley or wasteland elders in ||orbit||. There is a surprise you might like.

[tidal valve]

MAN I’m trying

I’m so close AAHHH

[tranquil harbor]

Raideeeeeer, DM me what that means

[delicate arrow]

Yes I think so. It’s not the ||light child you hug or the skids flying in orbit||

[tulip aspen]

kinda fair, but iirc, they never deleted it

oh wait i thought u were talking about the bad non TOS thing

[delicate arrow]

That would make sense, especially since they have black ooze leaking out of them in some locations.

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly they might just be jars for any purpose

[delicate arrow]

Personally I think that they are manufactured items from the ocean factory in Treasure reef.

[tulip aspen]

you're saying that was in concepts?
where?

[keen shore]

Considering how common the pots are and their locations, pots seem more likely to be all purpose containers. However, there is one thing in game that I think is somehow used as a memorial/connected to the dead in some way (makes sense in my brain but hard to write out). I forgot to get a picture of it yesterday but will see if people can guess what it is

Hint: it’s common in Forest

[tranquil harbor]

That's not what I'm saying at all Jam

[tidal valve]

I like to think that wl and those skykids you see at the end of orbit are probably the ones left behind at the point of no return, the dead skykids statues, like regular spirits their soul was trapped within sky so they couldn’t ascend, and by collecting their wl they are finally able to be free and ascend into orbit

[tranquil harbor]

Let me clarify, one more time: I have heard this info, but I am unsure if it is still true

[tulip aspen]

if you can't talk about it here, could you dm me it please?

[tidal valve]

Wait golden pots? I’ve only ever seen the one in vaults

[delicate arrow]

After the sky kids who give you ||ac|| and before the spirits you have ||ascended|| there’s just one

[keen shore]

It might just be a “someone in lorechat mentioned it once and everyone seemed confident about it but I do not have access to the original info” type thing

[frigid tinsel]

The OOB in the Vault with all the Elders we can measure their heights. In fact someone has already: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tranquil harbor]

I did talk about it. Y'all...

[nimble ingot]

I think it is these two?

[delicate arrow]

There is a cargo ship with them in shipwreck

[keen shore]

I am going to be flying through orbit and recording it sometime soon, will look for what you’ve mentioned as I haven’t noticed it before

[tidal valve]

ooohhh OHHH DURING THE CUTSCENE

I like to think it’s our soul, honestly I’d like to make a smacking theory about it though

[tranquil harbor]

I'm confident it was not a one off lore chat thing, but I'm also tired, confused, and a lil cranky, so I'm kinda done talking about it

[delicate arrow]

No not the one child… Ill get a picture hold on I have to go through eden again

[tulip aspen]

if that's what they're referencing then rip lol

[tidal valve]

Ok ty! Just ping me whenver bc im not usually on discord very much

[delicate arrow]

I think you have to exit the game to see it when you reload into ||orbit||

[tranquil harbor]

Either way it's not from the pics Raider just shared either

[keen shore]

Not all of us have perfect memories [especially not me…] so repeating things from old conversations is often the best bet. Just saying “I heard the info” is still pretty vague without clarification on where it came from.

Obviously not trying to continue conversation from here but just clarifying why everyone is confused