lore-discussion-spoilers

[gilded socket]

Berhaps? We don't know their lives before the catastrophes. It could very well be a possibility.

[verbal burrow]

That's like vult of knowledge

[tranquil harbor]

Probably some of them

[rustic heron]

There's actually lore surrounding that, something @rigid mural knows quite a bit about. If they're around, you could ask them about the connections between seasonal spirits.

It's pretty fascinating. LightSeekers know and show up in a number of other spirit memories.

[gilded socket]

Hmmm

[keen shore]

Vela what te hell go to bed /j

[rustic heron]

Oh, and Salem too. They worked together on it. Honestly, Salem is a vault of knowledge (pun intended) of Sky lore, and they know a ton about murals.

Their latest fascination has been boats.

[rigid mural]

Made lists of spirits depending on who appears in who's memory.

[gilded socket]

Also
Can you guys help answer this thing that's bugging me? Even if it's probably basic knowledge?

So the spirits we encounter are memories of them, yet we can interact with them, as we see with seasonal spirits and such.

A few people said this means that they aren't entirely dead. So what exactly are they?

[whole robin]

Boats are indeed great

[tranquil harbor]

The lore is so vague, that going 'so what is canon' will often get you the answer 'we don't know'.

[gilded socket]

Yeah that's fair.

[rustic heron]

It's an interesting question. In the new Intro, despite us referring to them as "Ancestors", they're called spirits, and we are tasked with "awakening" them.

This might just be a mild way of saying they're dead, or it could be that they've always been spirits. The concept art of the Ancestors suggests their bodies are akin to charcoal or darkstone, and that they are in opposition to the light and light creatures.

We do know that they are ethereal now (you can walk through spirits, but not through sky kids. Try it out), and that their bodies are very much like the sky kid statues in Eden: corrupted and ashy.

[lean siren]

okay um so if there are generations of spirits do you think the first generation(the base game spirits) help the yet-to-be-spirits with their works and stuff because of their knowledge, assuming that the first generation are from ancient time, the second generation(the seasonal spirits) dont know much about what happened to them after death do they think the spirits are what they will become after death? like when they died they still have so much they wanted to do and doesn't want to leave yet and they choose to becomes spirits because the first generation were still doing what they want even after death

[keen shore]

If you mean seasonal quests, we’re still trying to figure out how that works. The current prevailing theories seems to be that they’re either projecting their old memories into the world for us to interact with? or that the current events are somehow repeats of the past. it’s a whole debate that I’m honestly baffled over, am still trying to figure it out

[whole robin]

I thought they're like the souls or ghosts of whatever kind of creature they were before. Which would mean the memories we see are really just memories but in constellations and seasons we still get to interact with them as they're still technically there

That's just how i made sense of it tho.
This is my first time actually being here so idk anything about the actual lore whatsoever

[rustic heron]

It also may tie in to the presence of the Winged Light being past memories of Sky kids, or even the King. Memories in Sky are an engima, to say the least.

[compact shale]

It's been revealed and theorized that some season quests are about witnessing past events, while some are about helping/impacting in the present

[gilded socket]

then could Abyss be about the present? Because we sure are actively involved in it.

[keen shore]

Do you think the canon explanation for the prophecy quests is that the spirits saw us and were like “ah god another kid fell from the sky. Put them in the Mind Hell”

[compact shale]

There's also a theory that we're experiencing Abyss Guide's memories in the quests, seeing as how they never seem to be involved

But idk about that

[gilded socket]

Wait
Im starting to think
Maybe the spirits never died?
At least not in the common sense

[rustic heron]

Seasons tend to revolve around a notion of fulfilling the Spirits last wish. We might be interacting with the spirits as a final farewell.

[tranquil harbor]

They are involved in the spirit memories, just not the quest. Didn't Ash say they were the one nice enough to help us get 'in' with the crew who didn't trust us? they might be giving us their work

[compact shale]

Abyss Guide: Yes papa this child CAN be trusted, here's proof!
Abyss Guide: You better not screw this up child

[rustic heron]

HAH. Now you're speaking my language! I've talked about this multiple times, but often I'm told that the spirits are definitely dead. Much of the language in the Intro suggests that spirits don't "die", but are instead trapped and unable to rebirth.

It's a notion I like quite a bit, but I've never gotten a foothold with it.

[harsh pecan]

smart

[keen shore]

I can see that, but how would memories where the spirits are obviously shown to die [eg fainting warrior or tearful light miner] work?

[gilded socket]

That's what I was thinking too
How else can we interact actively with them even after they return to ascension through statues

[tranquil harbor]

I am on team 'they've joined the sky kids on the death/rebirth cycle train and live normal lives, but they can't do the reincarnation thing very well so the sky kids help'

[tranquil harbor]

If they're doing the death and rebirth thing, that explains it. they die, sky kid helps them, they come back

[rustic heron]

That is an issue, and one I don't have a good answer for.

[gilded socket]

True
Not every spirit we encounter "perished" during the catastrophe

But if they contain light
Maybe that could explain something
This is what @tulip aspen proposed
That spirits are beings of like instead of being magically organic
It could explain this theory

Every threat we have encountered aims to snuff light out of us.

[rustic heron]

That doesn't sound like Jam. That sounds like something I proposed a while ago, about Spirits have a duality of being, both physical and spiritual. Spirits don't die more than lose their physical form, and this duality of existence fuels their spiritual beliefs and practices. This is why rebirth is so prominent and focused upon in Sky, since Spirits are both spirit and physical at the same time.

[gilded socket]

Hang on did I get the wrong guy?

[rustic heron]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[gilded socket]

that was not the message I saw

[rustic heron]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This was from about a month ago.

[gilded socket]

it wasnta month ago

[frigid tinsel]

so the ancestors are dead. they were prob alive at some point, but their living bodies died and they became spirits (in fact, you can see ancestors dying in the spirit memories of "Fainting" Warrior and Tearful Light Miner). of course ancestors' living physiology is up to much debate, but whatever their bodies were like alive, they're dead now.

they also all lived at different times in the world's timeline. seasonal spirits prob all existed together in their groups, died, & petrified together.

as spirits, they're supposed to go to Eden or the Elder temples to ascend and be reborn. However, the darkness in the environment sticks to their spirit bodies, capturing their light and petrifying them into the statues we see now. with our flame, we reawaken the spirits by chasing away the darkness and freeing them from petrification.

but to find these petrified spirits, we follow their spirit memories. I've written about them before:

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are literally following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.

[gilded socket]

This is Jam's proposal

[frigid tinsel]

once we free the spirits, they're here with us now, so we can interact with them. not all spirits (seasonal) seem to want to ascend immediately after being freed like the base-game spirits do. the quests we do for seasonal spirits are very likely in the present, even if the memories we may relive (like with Dreams) occurred in the past.

[gilded socket]

Jam's proposition is that the anatomy of spirits/ancestors and skykids are similar if not the same.

That they're all light in a shell

[compact shale]

I've theorized that the quests are about fulfilling something the spirits didn't get to fulfill during their life and we do them because they want it to be done before they ascend.

[gilded socket]

Ah yes
"fainting"

[rustic heron]

Haha, oh man. Jam has also said that, according to the concept art, Ancestors are not beings of light. Specifically, they referenced this concept art:

He made it a point that they were not beings of light.

Take what Jam says with a grain of salt.

[gilded socket]

O k
Talk about contradicting statements

Also that bird does not look like a bird.

[frigid tinsel]

at that possibility, it's interesting how ancestors would become beings of life after death (as spirits)

[rustic heron]

Elders too, given they show up in the same category in the concepts.

[compact shale]

Are they really alive if they haven't rebirthed? Wouldn't the spirits be...undead?

[rustic heron]

You could see them like ghosts. They linger, unable to move on, and can interact with the environment.

[frigid tinsel]

"undead" suggests a being that was once dead is reanimated in their corpse, like a reversal of dying. becoming spirits or ghosts isn't quite undead because they take on a new form

[compact shale]

oh

wait I thought spirits/ghosts were considered as a form of undead

fsdfjdgsn lol sorry

[frigid tinsel]

some do, I don't

[gilded socket]

Aren't ghosts sometimes considered undead?

[rustic heron]

In some fiction, they are a form of "undead", in the way that they are still "living" in some lessened capacity.

[compact shale]

hmmm... for the sake of personal clarity imma just call them undeads

[rustic heron]

You know, I don't think I've asked what everyone's pronouns are. I've been using they/them to be safe, but I can try and be more accommodating if anyone has preferences.

[compact shale]

check my bio for pronouns

edit: im ok with they/them but if you want you can

[half shadow]

i got my bio

[soft timber]

For simplicity sake, I call spirits/ghosts/anything similar as undead but I put them in a different category

[frigid tinsel]

a lot of folk been putting their pronouns in their bios. in some servers they may have pronoun roles or attached to their nickname

[whole robin]

Hmm there should be roles for pronouns here

[rustic heron]

P-role-nouns, if you will.

[half shadow]

oh my gosh only six more days till fifth quest

[rustic heron]

Time to have some leviathan steak.

[whole robin]

What are your pronouns lapis?

[gilded socket]

6 days until we see what disaster our sky kid has unleashed upon the islands

[frigid tinsel]

the world as we know it

[rustic heron]

You know, I've never thought about it. You can refer to me however you wish.

[gilded socket]

I guess mine would be he/him but they/them works too

[frigid tinsel]

skykids: learn to swim
skykids: oh yea this is fun
skykids: unleashes monstrous sea creatures
skykids: hhhhhhh nvm

[soft timber]

Truth

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer: Uses skykids as bait for monstrous sea creatures.

[frigid tinsel]

oh that's a good idea. for the fic, maybe I should've made them do that with the skid they'd been clashing with instead of crucifying them

[rustic heron]

You guys ever get that feeling of relief when you finally block someone that's been giving you anxiety?

[gilded socket]

no

[rustic heron]

Finally pulled the plug today, and I didn't realize how much it'd been affecting me. I feel like I can interact with people a lot more level-headedly. It's great.

[tranquil harbor]

Hey, unleashing the hell beast from the depths was worth it to put Cannoneer in their place

[gilded socket]

bruh

[rustic heron]

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, yes. On the other, Cannoneer is bae; I love their hair and cloak.

[compact shale]

And to learn that Angler doesn't like Cannoneer :D

[tranquil harbor]

They don't?

[compact shale]

They literally laughed at Cannoneer's demise, darn it! Ouch!

[tranquil harbor]

They're a rough and tumble survival group, I wouldn't be surprised if 'rag on your friend's misfortunes' is part of their love language

[rustic heron]

Speaking of, where is Cannoneer's lore card? They're the only one left to be posted.

[compact shale]

True, though I don't think love can even foster there

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if we're gonna get it after the quest

[rustic heron]

My beloved requires worship and groveling.

[frigid tinsel]

every time i get #news notif but it isn't a character card, I internally weep

[rustic heron]

We weep together, brother. Remain strong for our champion of champions.

[compact shale]

AAAAAAAA SAME

ARE WE GONNA GET A TS BEFORE CANNONEER GETS THEIR INTRODUCTION????

[tranquil harbor]

That new vid of anxious angler's expression was great tho. Even if it's halloween-y

[frigid tinsel]

gotta rev up that anxiety somehow

[half shadow]

crying at no cannoneer character art

[compact shale]

What's Sky's equivalent of "Man up!" if gender isn't really something that the inhabitants know? (I have my reasons for asking)

[rustic heron]

Cope.

[tranquil harbor]

'grow a spine' 'Man up!' is just a way to say 'get some confidence you coward'

[frigid tinsel]

ig "tough it out" or "tough up" but tbf the sentiment behind those expressions ain't that good

[compact shale]

no no that's what I need

[gilded socket]

Mic up

[rustic heron]

Bird up

[half shadow]

it’s probably something funny and cute from the universe like wing up or something more clever than that i can’t think of

[frigid tinsel]

light up

[rustic heron]

Flameo, hotman.

[half shadow]

Alasdair wins, the answer was right in front of us the whole time

[rustic heron]

I'm gonna pull what some call a gamer move:

Man-ta up.

[frigid tinsel]

and usually i'm really bad at words past midnight

[half shadow]

manta up is really good too

[rustic heron]

Your cup overfloweth.

You know, looking through all the Tom Zhao concepts makes me long for a game he designed. I love the concepts so much, and if TGC hadn't opted for the mobile route we could have had something like this on a more powerful system.

Could you just imagine it?

[compact shale]

___
🥤

[harsh pecan]

Samee

[gilded socket]

Lore chat: How does the universe work? What divine forces are in play? What are these inhabitants like? How does everything work? What did they do? How did they fall apart? Why did they fall apart? Is anything alive? Is anything real?

Also lore chat: "Uhhhhh you think these guys have memes?"

[tranquil harbor]

All lore is important

[frigid tinsel]

we meme to stay sane or our memeing is a sing of our growing insanity

[gilded socket]

Probably both.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm pretty sure the vault elder one is a banned joke theory

[compact shale]

One of @/Vela 's floofy mantas to restore sanity

[half shadow]

i care for fluffy manta

[harsh pecan]

Awwww

[half shadow]

it’s something that shouldn’t be brought up in a server filled with minors and also it’s just not very funny

[tranquil harbor]

Valley Elders having athlete social media is funnier

[harsh pecan]

OF?

[compact shale]

OF MICE AND MEN

[tranquil harbor]

Someone post wooly manta again

[half shadow]

i wish i could hold a wooly manta in my hands

[harsh pecan]

._.

[gilded socket]

I just realized what [REDACTED] stood for

W e l p
Time to never talk about it
No I did not look it up it just came to my mind
Anyways never seen wooly mantas tbh

[half shadow]

they’re a creation of Vela’s and they’re fantastic. I highly encourage you to look up Vela’s doodles from this channel by searching their name and “image”

[lean siren]

also new one by vela

[soft timber]

not getting some of these since I never knew what they meant, but still try to support

[tranquil harbor]

I embrace our lord and savior wooly manta

[half shadow]

we have to keep going until they’re forced to canonize wooly manta

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[rustic heron]

All fur capes in Sky are made from manta wool .

[half shadow]

manta wool sounds so soft

[harsh pecan]

Maybe that’s why we never see one in-game, they’re all gone

[frigid tinsel]

wooly manta is lorechat's mascot

[half shadow]

i want to believe xfiles poster but it’s wooly manta

[rustic heron]

No, Cannoneer my love. Your throne has been taken by this fluffy usurper.

[gilded socket]

How funny is it that a fanmade creature is the mascot for a channel discussing fan theories

[harsh pecan]

Wait

[compact shale]

wooly manta might not like the abyss...

it soaks up in their wool...

[frigid tinsel]

yup that's the only reason

[half shadow]

I wonder what a wooly manta would look like without it’s wool. is it just a regular manta under there? what would happen if a wooly manta got wet. would they look like those dogs that are like living mops

[harsh pecan]

Which x-files poster

[hushed steeple]

Ever notice how we have the Eden king on our frogging backs.

[rustic heron]

Cornerstone of King = Skykids theory.

[compact shale]

your alefs weigh down on your back

[tranquil harbor]

Or it's just 'that's the symbol of the light first and the king used it'

[frigid tinsel]

might be a symbol of the Light, just the king adopted a similar symbol trying to emulate the Light.
why did that reply to Lapis, I never clicked her message

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but what evidence do we have that it could be the symbol of the light.

[frigid tinsel]

honk

[tranquil harbor]

hjonk

[hushed steeple]

Shoot, I can't argue with that/j

Also, can confirm that bones in vault are simply projections. Take a look at the hair and the bones

[frigid tinsel]

i mean when you honk, "the/your Light will show you the way" as per in-game hint and it shows a similar symbol.

[compact shale]

in sky, anything is sentient if it honks hard enough /j

[rustic heron]

The symbol of the central elder, presumedly the King, is shown with this symbol as their head, and is the same symbol that the chosen one had:

[hushed steeple]

Ah, I see. Yeah I never noticed that. Unless the king merged with the light.

[frigid tinsel]

arguably the king used to be part of the light until Megabird spat them out on the world

[hushed steeple]

Mega birds unwanted child.

[compact shale]

im resh and im the first star to be punted into this wretched land.

[harsh pecan]

RIP the king 😔

[gilded socket]

Megabird abandons child, accidentally plunges ancestors into darkness.

Moral of the story
Don't traumatize children

[harsh pecan]

Megabird was a bad parent

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird still hasn't followed that advice tho, haven't learned a bit

[hushed steeple]

The moral of the story is to get rid of your unwanted children by yeeting them from true existence.

[compact shale]

The moral of Sky is

Skykid: This is Megabird. *gestures upwards
Our Creator.
Skykid: They sent us here with a purpose: to return these squishy dead spirits to the stars.
Skykid: They send us by punting stars onto the Isle of Dawn.
*cut to a star falling onto the Isle of Dawn
Skykid: If your star falls into the sea... which could happen...
*cuts to star falling into the sea near Isle of Dawn
Skykid: ...good luck with that.
*cuts to the ocean being set on fire as screams echo in the background

(the fire only covers up the true horrors)

[harsh pecan]

And then that child proceeds to kill people

[hushed steeple]

Valley elders were not great at maintaining their kingdom. Just look at the size of most houses. Prairie does better than that and they don't even have any money.

[frigid tinsel]

been tinking with the idea for my ficverse that Resh killed Flight guide

[rustic heron]

Valley Elders are too busy fighting with each other to guide the people of the Valley.

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[gilded socket]

And then let's just shoulder all responsibility onto a bunch of random children
👍

[hushed steeple]

Honestly though, the homeless man from dreams has a nicer home than those small houses.

[compact shale]

The moral of the story is that

You can always rely on emotion-filled children to save the universe

[harsh pecan]

LOL

[rustic heron]

There's another theory that it's the King's voice that guides the Skykids.

[hushed steeple]

Megabird watched Steven universe and was like "I think I'll try that too."

[tranquil harbor]

I like the idea that the king is the voice and the light at the end of eden. The final elder has always been helping you

[frigid tinsel]

King: I messed up
Megabird: I'm going to send your siblings to fix it
King: what no don't do that stop

[harsh pecan]

And people still say the king is the villain 😔

[hushed steeple]

Did they update this Easter egg, or was it always like this. My memory sucks tbh.

[compact shale]

being skeked is suffering

[tranquil harbor]

the king: -grabs all the sky kids in his arms- YOU ARE TOO YOUNG

[compact shale]

sky in terms of madoka magica

[harsh pecan]

I think they did idk, I just ignore those eggs

[harsh pecan]

He was too young too 😔

[rustic heron]

Megabird: Don't worry, they can have as much fun as they want while they're down there!
King: Gestures wildly to the wasteland that was Sky

[hushed steeple]

Proceeds to drown by air water whilst pondering omelet.

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird: if they want to go home then they can just go to Eden
King: gestures aggressively at Eden

[tranquil harbor]

Megabird is the clueless parent and the king is the responsible older sibling trying to make sure the little ones don't die

[rustic heron]

Megabird: Fine, then fix your own mess.
King: Nervously looks down No that's okay they can do it sorry.

[harsh pecan]

The King failed tho

[compact shale]

Skykid: Why are we here... just to suffer?
Megabird: NO!
King: YES!

[hushed steeple]

Megabird: they'll meet plenty of new friends and people
King: Gestures aggressively at dead spirit memories

[gilded socket]

Why does the megabird want to fix the world again? Is it even the megabird sending skykids?

[rustic heron]

"It has to be this way" plays as the sky kids aggressively punch the Eden Crystal

[tranquil harbor]

Flight of the Valkyries thru the storm let's go

[compact shale]

Until one skykid sacrifices their existence to save everyone else

[harsh pecan]

They want someone to ascend the spirits to cover up their crime

[frigid tinsel]

A being of pure light wants to rid the world of darkness, hmm I wonder why /lh

[rustic heron]

Hah, the Skykid thinks it’s the King.

[hushed steeple]

megabird: c'mon its a wholesome community with friendly light hearted culture.
King: aggressively shoves book of sky lore in megabirds face

[hushed steeple]

Markipler?
Sky?
Sky x Markiplier?
SEASON OF MARKIPLIER!?

[frigid tinsel]

that's not... nvm

[rustic heron]

Skykid: Does the Fortnite Default dance
Megabird and King: Looks away as the Eden rain pelts the Skykid

[harsh pecan]

Shrek should have an appearance too

[rustic heron]

Our time is come and gone. It is the age of the younguns now.

[hushed steeple]

Nice, can I be monarch of the generation? If not I'll bring down society.

[gilded socket]

Hello everybody my name is Markiplier and today we are going to be going into the Eye of Eden
gets hit by rock

[hushed steeple]

I love and hate how I can easily imagine him saying that.

[frigid tinsel]

if Markiplier plays Sky it's over for the servers

[harsh pecan]

hMmMmMmMMmm

Lapis did you put that pink text

[tranquil harbor]

oh right, the forest elder was supposed to 'seduce' us

[frigid tinsel]

i still have those screenshots. don't ask me for them

[compact shale]

OF MICE AND MEN you fools

[hushed steeple]

WHY IS THERE A CAR IN THE BOTTOM LEFT ONE!!!!!!!!

Sorry bottom right

[tranquil harbor]

Didn't the concept change to an overbearing mother/aunt?

[harsh pecan]

y e s

[rustic heron]

Shows Uno Reverse Card

[tranquil harbor]

Vela has made a horrible mistake and they're not even awake to see it

[hushed steeple]

See, car.

[harsh pecan]

Oh wow

[rustic heron]

Concept Teth travels in ✨ style ✨

[white junco]

concept teth would throw cars

[fickle wing]

concept teth would throw cars

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not surprised there was a car. There were supposed to be silhouettes to make us think other players were nearby and everything. We were supposed to be creeped out

[hushed steeple]

sky kids drifting towards eden

[frigid tinsel]

I was gonna say something but I’ve decided against it

[hushed steeple]

Show me please!

[frigid tinsel]

You’re not supposed to discuss bEta here at all

[rustic heron]

Naughty naughty. No beta spoilers in this lore chat.

[compact shale]

Hello! Beta stuff isn't allowed to be talked about here! But yes, I think kigurumis are cute.

[frigid tinsel]

MOO

[rustic heron]

Lorechat at someone posting beta spoilers:

[stone cargo]

can’t have any fun in beta chat

[tranquil harbor]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1 in here

[compact shale]

testing TESTING one two three! we die for you so the live kids don't have to!

[fickle wing]

jokes alluding towards a not safe for work platform arent either but look where we are

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t know much beta stuff but isn’t it so bad sometimes that you can’t hold hands without crashing?

[compact shale]

(credit to Vela)

Elder Woolie is watching so don't you dare do anything cringe

[stone cargo]

currently there’s a bug where you can see everyone’s chat

[stone cargo]

anyways wouldn’t it be so cool if eden was still a black hole? i think about the black hole eden a lot.

[fickle wing]

ngl reminds me of the fire trial

[tranquil harbor]

It's better than seeing anonymous '....' Like seriously I hate that. I'd rather not know they're chatting at all

[frigid tinsel]

The black hole is the pity room

[rustic heron]

Who was it that came up with that?

[lean siren]

do u think wooly manta are normal manta but they grow wool based on how loved and care they are but all the caretakers are ded so they weren't cared for a long time so they havent grown any wools

[white junco]

a certain someone dared me to swear in the same server as some other folks and they followed me back to home and yelled at me 😔 /lh

[white junco]

black hole = dark
pity room = dark

[stone cargo]

imagine the winds pulling you in instead of pushing you back,,, and no matter where you hide, they hungrily pull you in anyways, until you’re sucked into an unthinking vortex— i think it’d be terrifying in the best way,,,

[fickle wing]

wasteland entrance

[white junco]

petition to make wasteland entrance worse

[stone cargo]

let me have fun krii smh /lh

[fickle wing]

signs this

[frigid tinsel]

You said it first but four others said they were thinking the same thing at the same time: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lean siren]

remember the tornado in wasteland entrance oob

[hushed steeple]

You know the spires in the wasteland social space? Those aren't gold. My theory is that they're dark stone.

[rustic heron]

Credit: The entirety of lorechat at that one moment.

[fickle wing]

fun fact the whale is. Terrifying up close in the wasteland lobby

[hushed steeple]

Nope, I only see a cute fish.

[lean siren]

it got snail eyes

[hushed steeple]

Someday, I'm going to craft a theory so good I'll have to charge money for people to see it.

[frigid tinsel]

Just write a Google doc

[compact shale]

NO! DON'T MAKE YOUR THEORIES INTO N**S!

[rustic heron]

You joke, but there actually are Sky CoTL NFTs.

[compact shale]

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CENSORED WORD WAS

AND YES I KNOW

[rustic heron]

Four letter word relating to paywall content that starts with N and ends with S? It practically guesses itself.

[compact shale]

fair enough

and this is why i stopped trying to get the KizuPack

[rustic heron]

What's a KizuPack?

[frigid tinsel]

A friend of mine only found out Kizuna AI was making NFTs after buying the pack and they were so downtrodden

[tranquil harbor]

I'm too defeatist to care about NFTs. I just want a cute sky kid in these trying times

[compact shale]

The NFT projects were actually completed before her hiatus and they're not connected to her hiatus (as much as blogs would have you believe, it's actually a bait interpretation) but still... idk...

[rustic heron]

NFTs will blow over, just like 3D television and most cryptocurrency

[frigid tinsel]

Have my skid providing a piggyback

[tranquil harbor]

-reaches for season of bloom- come on, bring back the sakura cape so I can be complete

[hushed steeple]

NFTs are one of the various dark stone of the real world

[compact shale]

*eats a darkstone
*keels over

[tranquil harbor]

Wooly manta caaaaape

[hushed steeple]

DONT EAT YOU PC JUST BECAUSE IT HAS AN NFT!!!!!

[rustic heron]

You guys wanna see my Skid selfie?

[hushed steeple]

Is that your dog in the background? They look lovely!

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis’s skid canonically dies for lore

[tranquil harbor]

they don't bite YES IT DO

[hushed steeple]

It was the valley twins

[frigid tinsel]

No they drowned: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

Sky: Ehes of the Light

[hushed steeple]

I want things to not take so long after being announced.

[rustic heron]

If you need anything done that involves dying or otherwise, I'm your skid. Let me know.

[compact shale]

*giggles

Oh, TGC, you have too much faith in us

to believe we CAN hold our breaths?

No, NO, we are ABSOLUTELY incapable of that!

*cuts to Lapis' video of their skykid leaking bubbles

See? You really think we can do that thing called "apnea"? NO!

[frigid tinsel]

It was a harrowing day for the anatomy researchers

[hushed steeple]

Sky kid dissection?

[compact shale]

Hmmm *looks at a table with a scalpel, a regular hammer, and a chainsaw

Which one, dear Esther Moon?

[mental ridge]

I just saw a theory (i think) about wasteland, i think some people say it's war or something. Is that true? Does anyone have some sort of explanation? I want to make an oc but i don't have any idea about wasteland

[hushed steeple]

The rusty hatchet, its the safest and most nonlethal. 100% survival rate.

[harsh pecan]

Dang

[compact shale]

Well? I'm just calling it as it is! We skykids can't commit apnea!

[rustic heron]

There are two types of shields in GW. One has the symbol of the light , the other the diamond 🔷 . Supposedly these two sides represented the King and the rebel Spirits.

[mental ridge]

Rebel spirit? Is it some sort of civil war? What did they do?

[hushed steeple]

Its a pollution ridden land where at some point a war took place. Also turtles went extinct there and a massive krill or two knocked down two massive boats. The pollution/darkness corrupted the creatures there and caused dark plants to grow there. The war by the way seems to have been between maybe the king and something else.

[rustic heron]

It's a mystery. We think it might have been some sort of civil war. Wasteland Elder was on the side, as far as we can see in their cutscene.

[hushed steeple]

You should know that the lore is REEEEEEAAAALLLLY vague and sparce. We don't have many details and don't know everything essential yet.

[rustic heron]

You know, I should probably catalogue all the ways a Skid can die in Sky, in video form.

[hushed steeple]

Death by hacks.

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[hushed steeple]

Someone let me sleep

I'll be escorting myself out then.

Hmph

[tranquil harbor]

sleep tight

[maiden fog]

I dont know about the turtles part. The season of Abyss seasonal area almost had a sea turtle swimming around underwater. 🙃
Honestly, I have never moticed the two different sheilds. I will have to explore the realms looking for further evidence. See if I could find more. I'm still salty about isle of dawn being practically forgotton. Who knows maybe they were the first rebel base. The prophecy location or people who give prophecies are usually the first placed/person attacked in most stories. Maybe there is Evidence in eden. i will be bringing a friend when I check that place out

[vagrant blaze]

What is your opinion about season of Abyss lore?

I feel like when we free the king of krill and the others krill, there's no anything change.

[rustic heron]

There's a fifth quest coming, so we might see king krill there.

Much of the lore in Abyss, however, revolves around the production of darkstone and the usage of light creatures, especially mantas, as a way to power those darkstone diamonds. The murals on the walls of Abyss show this, and there are pieces of the mining baskets that transported the darkstone ore from the caves to the refinery.

[vagrant blaze]

Ah...

So, what if we didn't free the king of krill?

[compact shale]

Then we wouldn't be screwed. But it doesn't seem like the Abyss Crew knows yet. If King Krill swims up though... oh boy.

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible the cave mural on the entrance cave showed exactly what happened to them

[compact shale]

welp.

Ascend in Peace you pirate jeezers.

[tranquil harbor]

How'd it get trapped tho

did the Krill Beast exist before the disaster? I wonder if it's not actually a krill

[compact shale]

Some theorize that it may have been trapped BEFORE it was corrupted

[tranquil harbor]

And yet the cave mural shows it attacking a boat. Maybe it was already a dangerous creature?

[vagrant blaze]

Same here, I feel like in the beginning of the game, it said the dark and the light live in harmony before the tragedy.

Seem like the darkness creatures have a feeling of awareness.

[serene pasture]

Sorry to interrupt but quick question, wasn’t there a pin with all sky language letters in sky so far? I do remember someone made it as an alphabet and it did get pinned but I can’t find it or cant remember where its at (haven’t been here in so very long so idk if this is the correct place to ask for this but then again idk if it counts as a spoiler thing💀)

[compact shale]

Here, maybe?

Vault:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IX5VDRQXrVjY0hiBvU9AJAswxqtgSr2FlqCaiyivW3Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[serene pasture]

Nah it was like an alphabet type of thing,(some were missing letters like “Q” I believe and “K” if I remember correctly)

[compact shale]

This?

[serene pasture]

Yes that is that writing im looking for, but yea can’t find like the google doc there used to be with the whole alphabet cri… I’ll dig through and see if I can find it thx tho;-;

[sharp latch]

Hi so I saw this at prairie bells yesterday and doesn’t a similar thing happen to our wings?

This is right as they were going back to gold

[harsh pecan]

Ye, it’s recharging

[hushed steeple]

Are spirits and skykids the same species? Bc they seem to be the same but different generations

[nimble ingot]

Not bad.
It is a shame that the 2 skykids had to photobomb it

[nimble ingot]

Similar in appearance, yes.
However the major differences are skykids are alive, can fly, can be reborn and can never grow up.

Ancestors on the other hand can grow up, and are now currently ghosts in tbe Sky world

[hushed steeple]

True. It seems to me that a skykid is a newly formed species specifically created by the gods i assume so they can save the spirits

[compact shale]

Yep, that's basically one of the consensus on them.

[nimble ingot]

Come to think of it, isnt there some mythologies that had an inbetween real where spirits can interact with the living?
Almost like a spiritual plane or a land of the dead?
It is a bit unclear if Sky is meant to be earth like, or a realm where the living can interact with the dead in the same way as skykids do.

The way skykid can interact with spirits may not be how things worked when the ancestors were alive.

[nimble ingot]

In concept art, it is implied that skykids are a hybrid, which could be of light and darkness.

We dont belong in either world (as in Orbit being the light or Eden being darkness), yet we can exist in both non the less.

Other theories include between ancestors and elders, darkn creatures and light creatures or even in general light and darkness (which js where I stand).

[hushed steeple]

I really wish for a season or event giving us more lore

[nimble ingot]

Season of Prophecy was a good lore season, perhaps there will be another.

[compact shale]

The abyss is lurking behind you.

[harsh pecan]

we need more

[hushed steeple]

Were the spirits always spirits, as in being a spirit is just another species, or are they a dead species? Since the promo trailer for switch ive been wondering. It says in the game opening that spirits used to live in the sky and fell. But in the trailer we see those skykid-like people having a civilization on the ground that we, the skykids, move on

[nimble ingot]

I did say was.
Abyss dropped a big lore bean for sure, although that bean had sunk to the bottom of the sea...
Lets hope the next quest will let us skykids get rid of the floaties and see how deep the lore is.

[hushed steeple]

The amount of puns...

[compact shale]

Strap a crab to yourself and use it as a weight... with consent of course!

[nimble ingot]

The old intro (which is still partially valid, in my opinion) showed the elders were the ones that fell.

Perhaps the new intro is implying that the spirits might have fallen as well?

Either way, the Spirits used to be living Ancestors. Comparing them would benlike comoaring a living person to a ghost.

They are/were the same thing, as in human. Though the difference is one is alive, and the other has unfinished business.

[nimble ingot]

That comes to show how many layers this lore-cake has.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, so living spirits built a civilization before they died...i always thoughr they instantly died or were always spirits

[nimble ingot]

Nope.
They had lives, a career, a family, a civilisation.

All of that is now gone, after a long time passed. Now, the skykids are here to help put the pieces back together (at least that's the working theory).

I believe the spirits are either partially aware of them being dead, or the spirits' awareness varies between being oblivious, and very aware of their predicament.

How one can tell is by looking at how they behave.
While reliving memories, they are renacting them.
When they are interacting with skykids, they are aware of their surroundings beyond their memories, which shows fhey are true spirits and not fragments of a memory.

With them helping skykids, this shows they are aware of them being unable to interact with the world, except for skykids. Skykids are a bridge for them to the world they left behind.

While skykids can change things, they are temporary. With spirits, these changes can become permanent though.
By helping skykids, the spirits are able to fulfill their wishes, and pass on.

Even if they ascended, the spirits have not truly left. No matter if they are able to pass on or not (even if they wanted to), the spirits are still willing to stick around to help the skykids finish their work.

Only time will tell how this story will end.

[boreal nebula]

@serene pasture @compact shale I wish to see that doc again, if you found it feel free to ping me (after that picture where I noted the translations is not a good format to read😅 )

[nimble ingot]

There is a doc in here somewhere, if I recall correctly.

[serene pasture]

I found the one picture they shared in the doc at least the one but the person is no longer in the group so it must have deleted when they left

The letters j,x,q,z do not appear of the alphabet btw

This is where its at @nimble ingot

Just scroll a bit after the helmet/mask thing

[boreal nebula]

Infact I think the original picture I saw before was better than the one where I noted the translations in the ine Fruitzie reposted

[serene pasture]

I just know this one and another but the other was incomplete? Idm if it was a fan one…

Yet it was posted here

[boreal nebula]

YES, this seem the picture uploaded by Bricky or ginsy

[boreal nebula]

As fas as I know, fanmade by either Bricky or ginsy.

Bricky was a Lore Veteran back then

[compact shale]

What happened to The Brick?

[serene pasture]

I remember them cri… I used to be here in the baby days if the sky discord, they had a lot to talk about lore in such they had interesting lores too, anyways i think im getting off topic rn JEKEKDKDK

[serene pasture]

Idk cause I haven’t been here for a while but judging by the user as it shows rn i think id be best not to talk about it cause we may get in trouble with the mods here

[boreal nebula]

Idk I wasn't much online all the times. As a Sanctuary Moth myself, my pinnacle of lore enthusiasm was between Sanctuary and Dreams

[boreal nebula]

What do you mean with trouble?

[serene pasture]

||talking about banned users or such etc|| idk if that was the case cause again I wasn’t here for a very long time but just to keep it safe(and we off topic again, I don’t want us to get yelled at either KWKEKDK)

[rustic heron]

It adds to the chaotic nature of the pic.

[compact shale]

At least I can sleep with the comfort of knowing they'll get krilled instead of you.

[boreal nebula]

oh... That could be a possibility, but I don't feel like They were this type of user, they was a compass for Lore channel

[rustic heron]

That’s kind, thank you. Won’t stop me from krilling myself to death and filming it, but still kind.

[serene pasture]

Same on the lore part

[harsh pecan]

Why do you want to krill yourself?

[compact shale]

Same reason why they wanted to drown to the fullest, I'd say...

[harsh pecan]

Wow ok

[boreal nebula]

I think you can see the planet curvature on days Office hosts the spirit of the TV

I think skykids have a minor gravity manipulation skill, that's how they fly, move the cape without hands or even raise in the air when a new Wingpower Wedge is reached

If they go fast they even leave a wider track on the snow in Valley slopes

I think this self generated gravity/magnetic/magnetic field protect them during normal collisions, much like Atoms IRL don't really touch, unless the colliding object is charged by great energy, like in Eden (when I think rocks moves by wind and magnetic field generated by the Eden Power Diamond), in that case is just like electrons crashing together in colliders (as in LHC of Geneva)

[boreal nebula]

Look how much Archive has changed since Belonging

[valid shard]

woah this is so much prettier and ambient imo

[compact shale]

Wow

This would be a lot cooler... if skykids were LITERATE

[boreal nebula]

It seems unrefined, no base of the shelves. But man! Look at all those lights

[harsh pecan]

Woah

[tidal valve]

Reminds me of those giant computer things with all the lights on them

man school and legal paperwork is killing me I just wanna read lore chat lmao

[boreal nebula]

#lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

Ah, it happens to all of us. It’s a miracle that I’m in lorechat for this long, considering that I’ve been here for 18 months. My fellow KP crew have all disappeared from lorechat. But at least there are new people to take their place!

[nimble ingot]

Woah!

[nimble ingot]

KP will not be forgotten.
No matter what, it seems

[nimble ingot]

You were here since prophecy, right?
That has to be veteran territory by now.

[boreal nebula]

I (re)watched the video and got inspired

[nimble ingot]

What on Sky earth?

[lean siren]

second to last u forgot this

[compact shale]

stealing the last 2 images brb /lh

[graceful lance]

As if the difference between m and n couldn't get more confusing

(Cursive m is three, cursive n is two for some reason)

[sharp lichen]

Sorry, I’ll not bring it up again

[compact shale]

we have now become a corporation.

[sharp lichen]

That banned me immediately!

[compact shale]

We don't speak about you there sorry

[sharp lichen]

Huh, is it even about lore?

[compact shale]

No
The reason they don't let you in there isn't related to lore

But we shouldn't bring that into this server

[sharp lichen]

Ah ok

[late wasp]

lorechat: "Season of Assembly quest are impossible to complete, because it requires that we have friends willing to do the quests with us"
TGC: So today's quest will be a Season of Assembly quest."

[nimble ingot]

At least you can solo it lol

[lofty void]

yeah thank gosh for that
Assembly, as my moth season, I love you, but your quests…

[compact shale]

Assembly Guide: :3

[late wasp]

The most common three-letter words, in order of frequency, are THE, AND, FOR, WAS, and HIS

% A
x h
A %
N A k
N N k

• D +

hold on

real options

[lofty void]

Why are the others censored out-

[late wasp]

Branny and A _ b _ _y
Cranny and A _ c _ _y
Granny and A _ g _ _y
Shanny and A _ s _ _y

[late wasp]

due to repeating characters that don't fit our repeating characters

[lofty void]

Ohhhh

[compact shale]

"granny"

[late wasp]

GRANNY

AND

ANGSTY

[nimble ingot]

Granny might be able to stand in for elder.
If the language does not use elder for some reason.

[late wasp]

that's it, we cracked the lore. we uncover the secret of "Granny and Angsty"

[compact shale]

"hello this is sophos and we have concluded that Lamed's headdress says 'Angsty Granny is King'"

[lofty void]

a n g s t y
A majority of the sky fanart community in a nutshell

[tranquil harbor]

What in the fresh heck did I miss

[compact shale]

WE ARE DECODING LAMED'S HEADDRESS

[late wasp]

but for real, unless these are proper nouns, it is not English.
I think they just threw in some random symbols.

Even "Angsty" doesn't work, because it is putting a N (angsty) where there shouldn't be one

[lofty void]

hot take: granny doesn’t like the asinine amount of angst there is in the Sky fanart community

[slow portal]

wait how are the decals on vault elder's headdress corresponding to letters

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, you always run the risk that a decoded alphabet... isn't actually in a human language

[compact shale]

TIS IN ZA LANGUAGE OF ZA KRAKEN

[late wasp]

tried decyphring it using the middle 3 letter word, there are only a few English 3 letter words, "AND" seemed the most appropriate
and then the rest is replacing letters in the other words based on the AND, and then seeing potential 6 letter words that fit the bill.

[lofty void]

plot twist: it’s old english

[tranquil harbor]

To decode Vault Elder's headdress we gotta decode sky's language as a whole

do we have any other examples of sky language in-game beyond the headdress?

[compact shale]

we must TRANSCEND

become LITERATE

I hope it's not just another KAJIURAN

[tranquil harbor]

If we find other pieces of the language, we can compare

[compact shale]

Vault language shenanigans

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IX5VDRQXrVjY0hiBvU9AJAswxqtgSr2FlqCaiyivW3Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[lofty void]

Ooh boy, we might be dealing with a multiscript language

[late wasp]

i will dm you something

[boreal nebula]

it was a room of symbols. So i hadn't thought about that

I could have sticked Kingdom/"King Emblems" but that are WAAAY more to fit into this picture

[late wasp]

come to think of it, there is one more source for those polygon script
and old concept art that describes the different types of ancestors, also calling some of them Male/Female

[compact shale]

Ah yes, the concept of gender

[boreal nebula]

LH?

Feel free, just a mention of me and maybe the Kurtze channel (idk if I infrigged anything ... hope not 😅 )

[nimble ingot]

What if the third word (far right) is queen?

[late wasp]

bad memory
i'm wrong

[late wasp]

could be, and we ignore the diamond 🔹
lets see...

[nimble ingot]

There is the bells?

[compact shale]

/lh is the tone indicator meaning "lighthearted"

gender lol (credit to Vela as always)

[boreal nebula]

Never had any trouble telling them apart (untill I tried to let a tablet understand my calligraphy || somehow m n u h get easily confused ||)

[late wasp]

UNFOOL FOR FEUDAL lol

[late wasp]

LMAO

Why is this picture so funny? LMAO

[compact shale]

you just want to squeeze them huh

[late wasp]

i like to think every one was chatting and they thought they could just say that and nobody would hear
but coincidentally the room went silent the moment they said that
and now there is an awkward silence LOL

[boreal nebula]

I wouldn't try to litteraly translate/decypher that. It could be too hard to do that with little to no data

If we only had 9 characters how can you figure the whole sky script in the noted picture I translated? If We had me context to decypher one word there

Even if we are still Thinking in a matter of one alphabet! Those could also be idiograms and for example try figure out any chinese Word without a dictionary

[compact shale]

HAHAHAHA right yeah...

but if we put our international brains together, we can figure it out! Like the Journey fandom figured out the lyrics to the end theme!

[tranquil harbor]

The end theme was all in human language tho

[boreal nebula]

@late wasp For example once I pondered about similiarities with 公司 and the 2 of the 4 characters I added in this picture (above the head) from Archive.

[compact shale]

Luckily for them...

COME ON COME ON

VAULT SEASON

SEASON OF LITERACY

COME ON

Yes, it's Fruity's turn to poke TGC with a stick

[tranquil harbor]

Poke 'em good Fruity

[boreal nebula]

For sake of not spoiling you the fun of figuring out the meaning I will hide the answer

ANSWER
|| 1 (business) company
3 firm

公 can mean public
司 can mean department

and somehow they make think of Office even if it seems ithe correct word for that should be 办公室 ||

But any way . This is just something I maybe read too much into it 😅

[nimble ingot]

||Why does that make remind me of the office?||

||Would it be an inside joke for the devs to imply the vault tower is like an office building, with vault elder being a secretary and the king the Boss?||

[boreal nebula]

Idk, since recently I discovered Archive was differnt back during SoBelonging (scroll not to far ahead for screenshots) I wonder if both were added with the same Update

But as I said, maybe I had read too much into it. Maybe it's just abstract symbols

[nimble ingot]

I know what you mean.
Vault was a lot different back then.
I believe the place changed a lot during the global release and remaindled mostly the same since (aside from the season of prince tunnel that js)

[rigid mural]

Hey, they changed the manta painting in the forest refinery into a diamond

[rigid mural]

Previous version as a ref, featuring me as a moth lol

What if they retconned the manta in the forest refinery because the Treasure Reef facility extracted light, while the facilities like in the Forest Temple and the first krill area put that light into darkstone ?
That change of symbols could be to differentiate these two kinds of factories.

[nimble ingot]

oh? (Sorry, noticed something and mistyped)

It is interesting how the symbol shifted more to the diamond theme.
But a shame the manta fuel angle is now a little more subtle.

[rigid mural]

Maybe the treasure reef hints that enough ? That and both areas having caged mantas.

[nimble ingot]

At least the island does not have a refinery, right?

[unreal relic]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rigid mural]

The island does not have a refinery like in forest and gw but the murals hint they did do something to the mantas.

[unreal relic]

Then there’s the krills’ kumbaya party in the underwater ruins and the scary giant beast in it with then

[nimble ingot]

Wasteland is close to vault. Would scholars have been able to travel to the island to study mantas?
Would the island possibly be the 'birth place' of cosmic mantas?

+ 🔷 = ?
*Devs?

[rigid mural]

Not sure, we don't see any cosmic manta outside the vault, it's possible they may be part of the things in this realm that aren't entirely real.

Scholars definitely went to the Treasure Reef before it fell apart though, the murals depict some seemingly conducting experiments on mantas and observing the krill king.

[nimble ingot]

Why do I feel that chat bot is missing an opportunity?

[rigid mural]

Moths
Sky bot down or asleep maybe

[sharp lichen]

Skybot is dead.

[nimble ingot]

There is one cosmic manta that is unique.

In the dreams area, the cosmic manta is like any other, but when a skykid rides them, their bodies are a bit more solid, or even cloudy.
Either it is a glitch, or the manta in vault are so lonely, that they become cosmic mantas, because no one is there to care for them

[rigid mural]

Dreams area ? Do you mean the Starlight Desert (technically part of the Vault and maybe close enough to be affected by its arcane aura) ? Or the Village of Dreams in Valley ?
In the latter case then show me that manta, I never saw it

[nimble ingot]

I'll get the screenshot.

It was starry desert, my apologies.

[rigid mural]

No way

Oh no problem, happens to me too

[nimble ingot]

I could not get a good shot while riding it, the android bug is still in effect (android skykids riding mantas tend to get launched, or bucked off lol)

When it first appears, it is mostly transparent, like any cosmic manta.
However, when you are able to touch them, they change a bit.

It could be because of them being near clouds, or something else.
In the Little Prince, there is a chapter where the Little Prince was told about taming a fox. The fox said that once tamed, the fox will be the unique and not like any other fox.
Maybe this manta is an Easter egg to the taming section, and thus become a unique manta, because the skykid has tamed it (as in ridden it).

[rigid mural]

I feel like it's a transparency thing; the glowing parts align just right for the transparent parts to look bright.
The easter egg thing is adorable

[sacred mauve]

my head-cannon is that all the elders/ spirits/ sky kids don't have a gender

[rigid mural]

Credits to Slink-a-Dink for the pic, you're so right.

[nimble ingot]

The is open to interpretation.
As long as player can still say granny, King, skater girl, uncle dawn, aunty forest etc.
One can digress and accept people to have an identity.

[frigid tinsel]

Devs have confirmed that they don’t make the characters with gender in mind
(Yes Alex isn’t a dev but they get the point)

[rigid mural]

Yeah
that pride flag edit does look pretty gnarly tho

[frigid tinsel]

I think it took Slink 5 hours. Time well spent, I say

[rigid mural]

Hero

[frigid tinsel]

The genderqueer urge to they/them every Sky character

[lavish terrace]

eh, I've never focused on gender stuff in sky haha, I just think the flying around and collecting cosmetics is cool and the spirits always looked pretty neat in design wish they had more curly hair though lmao
I do however like how it's sort of a post apocalyptic yet still wholesome vibe, no idea how they made it possible but I'm impressed lol

[rigid mural]

Overgrown ruins are the goat !

[lavish terrace]

ikr

[lyric isle]

where is the original
can you please ask Slink for it aaa

[lavish terrace]

I love post apocalyptic settings where everything modern is overgrown and stuff @rigid mural

[lyric isle]

I need all the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

I only recently discovered the term “hopepunk” and it fits Sky so well

[sacred mauve]

YES

[sacred mauve]

YAAAAEEESSSSS

[nimble ingot]

Ktjn is a staff, so they can carry the credit. 👍

I may be biased on that front, so wont be able to contribute much to support that debate '^^

Growing up with biological genders being an important trait of a person's identity, it is difficult to accept the fact about someone to have a non-binary gender and yet have the traits or title of one. For example, if one were to call themselves a King. Then they would have a masculine aligned identity (he/him etc.). If one were to prefer to have a neutral identity, then there title would be Ruler, instead.

While I am perfectly fine with spirits to have neutral genders (any gender, other than strictly female or male), I would still address a spirit with an identifiable gender as such (ex. granny, mother, father, boy girl, king, queen, etc.)

[nimble ingot]

Thanks for sharing that. ❤️

I did not know it was a thing either, now I am going to read Angels in America and see if that can be part of my thesis in Art.

[raw crypt]

Hi whats up? Like u want the spirits without the flag?

[lyric isle]

y e s oh spirit master /lh

we are fellow big spirit nerds and I mean that affectionately
absolutely adore your depictions of them,, ,, ,

[raw crypt]

im so sorry i did. not save an original without the flag added on, did not think that far ahead unfortunately, i could crop them back out but itd still have the flag overlay unfortunately GHDHDHDH

[lyric isle]

yeah, it would be very tedious…

[frigid tinsel]

Non-binary people (well anyone really) can use gendered terms and still be non-binary or whatever gender they are. Non-binary ≠ androgyny or unisex or whatever. For example, I’m very masc-aligned and sometimes neutral, but I’m okay with the nickname Princess. That’s the only fem term I’ll accept but that doesn’t make me fem.

People need to accept that gender is way more multifaceted, diverse, and complex that AGABs and traditional gender roles. Looking one way doesn’t mean that internally that’s what one’s gender is. As Ktjn said, people tend to ascribe gender based on appearance based on their own preconceptions about gender, but that doesn’t make someone that gender. It’s really common for blokes to think that someone with long hair is a woman and someone with short hair is a man when that really isn’t the case most of the time and isn’t even universal across cultures.

It shouldn’t be a debate, it’s a fact.

Tbf it’s really hard to undo the socialization around gender, especially since it’s reinforced everywhere. But it’s not impossible. One should take the effort to undo it, cis and trans, for the good of all

[lyric isle]

I don’t see Sky’s gender as comparable, tbh - I think it must be completely different

[frigid tinsel]

Agender. Genderless. Sans gender.
Falls under “non-binary” cos neither man nor woman.

[nimble ingot]

That is true.

Hence why the biased statement.
It is a matter of one's upbringing that also contributes to their perception of life. Which includes how they would approach the matter of gender identity.
I would not like to pick a fight over whether a person can look at another person and use a gendered pronoun based on what they may have perceived or were told.

When dealing with characters, there will usually be a case of male/female. TGC However, has taken a smart approach of going beyond the traditional roles to include other genders, though more importantly allow the player to decide for themselves.
However, when it come to the general public, personal preferences would be put aside to maintain an objective stance. Which is an ideal set up for all parties involved, although it is fine to admit to being biased and stating so where relevant.

Spirits aside, this can extend to people on the internet.
One cannot know for sure who they are dealing with. One can see they are one thing, and be something else (there can be many examples that revolve around that point).
A good example can be myself.
Raider is a neutral pronoun for a mercenary or someone that is participating in a raid. With the meaning aside, I chose the name because it reminds me of my favourite game. Why not use my real name? That is a preference, which is similar to people who prefer to use their real identity on the internet vs using a nickname.
Even if I am a woman, I dont mind if people on the internet assume I am a guy. It does not matter to me.
While my voice can give it away, people do not have to worry about misgendering me.

TLDR; people can still go with a spirits gender if there is one that can be determined. All while people can also accept the no gender stance.
It may be a safe option when it come to the general media, as well as one that can be inclusive to gender identities.

The Lore is open to interpretation.

[rigid mural]

Wait, what are your pronouns then ? Because I saw people use he/him and didn't question it

[nimble ingot]

Any pronouns.
Partly because I don't mind what people call me. And for the sake of fairness being Raider does not clarify which gender.

[rigid mural]

Nice, thank you !

Going off what you said, I definitely agree with you spirits probably simply do not care about gender as much as we do; perhaps a majority are like you and would go with whatever pronouns they are given.

[half shadow]

“sans gender”

megolovania playing softly

sorry I don’t have any more to add to the conversation than that, my brain is poisoned

[native shoal]

Alright what do we think about spirits being near the saplings now, I just saw it today

[rigid mural]

Adorable

[half shadow]

I’m a big fan of them being more actively involved

[nimble ingot]

spirit (singular), unless you saw another one somewhere else.
The pioneer was a magical encounter. TGC really nailed that little surprise. ❤️ 🌳

[native shoal]

Umbrella dude had me very confused because I’ve never seen spirits by the saplings before

[rigid mural]

that's my friend :]

Laid-back Pioneer (beloved)

[nimble ingot]

They only appear when you complete the quest right?
Would they appear when you come back?

[native shoal]

They were there as I was spending time near the sapling

[rigid mural]

They were here when we both approached, but they leave after a short amount of time.

[nimble ingot]

Just to add to your image.
You were able to see them, I was not able to.

[rigid mural]

I went back to see them again, you gotta be fast or they dissappear before you reach them.

[nimble ingot]

Interesting.
So they either sometimes appear when someone else does the quest. Or just at random times when a skykid is near.

[raw crypt]

I think this emote is interesting, like they’re getting light from the tree or something

[rigid mural]

Did you notice how they seem to:

• stomp around the tree (march+stomp emotes)
• what slink said
• the hug

Maybe lightseekers are light harvesters ?

[half shadow]

I wonder if it’s due to upcoming days of bloom?

[nimble ingot]

Oh, that is interesting. 👀

[rigid mural]

Caught them stomping

[nimble ingot]

That would make sense.
Oh, I gotta look up what their season was about.
I cannot recall if they were before the time when TGC had quests or a plot for the season, but it is worth a shot!

[rigid mural]

I thought it was daydream lvl4 but it looks more like the animation for activating blessings (spells).

[nimble ingot]

It might be because they are impatient?
There is not waiting, or impatient emote in sky yet XD

[native shoal]

I got a screenshot of them stomping lol

Or marching rather

[rigid mural]

Maybe they got tired of me circling them and the tree lol.

Btw, can I post a screen of what you said that gave me an idea ?

[nimble ingot]

Ok fun fact about the season of light seekers.
There were themed after the Hidden Forest.
They introduce the 'catch the Light' daily quests.
The season was short (48 days) and had 2 daily quest that you do in a different realm every day.

[raw crypt]

OH ITS CONFIRMED BASED AROUND HIDDEN FOREST? NICE

[lofty void]

Ooh

[rigid mural]

What if Lightseekers came at a time some ancestors were starting to feel the consequences of darkstone technology, and were trying to mitigate the impact by seeking light in darkness ?

Fun fact, Piggyback Lightseeker, the spirit of this season in the only realm to not have a light, was to be relived last.

[nimble ingot]

oh, you are right. No daily quests in Dawn.

[lofty void]

mmm interesting 👁️ So they’re basically trying to save the kingdom themselves bc nobody is listening to them? this sounds familiar

[rigid mural]

lightseeker vets pspspspsps
we need your experience to confirm the wiki's claim that you really had to relive all the other lightseekers before seeing piggyback

lightseeker spirits my beloved, your vibes are spotless and your drip flawless

[lofty void]

bring back different colored seasonal candles tgc please

[raw crypt]

the blue palette does make me think about that technology note in one of the concept arts, potentially later in the timeline does make a lot of sense, especially if its more theyre seeking light because it’s becoming more scarce due to the growing industrialization, and want to mitigate that somehow

Makes me wonder about the connection with Enchantment though, could the coloured lights be an attempt to restore destruction that the darkness caused? light purifying dark water, growing grass where desertification occured? etc etc

[lofty void]

i need my blue abyss candles

[nimble ingot]

Tara to the rescue once more with a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llm-rDNVwEM

The Light seekers ending cutscene was all of the spirits by their portals at home. The a golden light orb flies by each of them, before going up into the sky and the spirits ascending too.
The season back then did not seem to have a lot of story telling (if I recall correctly, season of enchantment was the first to introduce a more clear storytelling style for the spirits). But they did hammer in the idea of them being after the light.

Maybe it was a thing back then for sky kids to constantly catch the light for them throughout the season.

[nimble ingot]

The blue candles were apparently hard to see from a distance in certain realms, which is why they were changed to orange.
Orange is an accent colour in the game that has an important meaning to it, and it stands out in most of the realms.

I can imagine blue being tricky in Vault.

[rigid mural]

OH OH I HAD THIS IDEA WHERE
The stars may have litterally fallen, but when do you stop seeing the stars at night ? Light pollution and regular pollution.
If the ancestors looked up to the stars knowing they were their guides and it was their destination (because they were on flying ships) then losing their sight to pollution might be an euphemism for something...

[frigid tinsel]

that was unintentional but ahhh

[frigid tinsel]

when you say "leave," do you mean they demanifest and fly away like a sparkle or just walk off?
I havent been on today yet so idk

[raw crypt]

hang on i got one closer

[frigid tinsel]

huh, interesting. so they fly like ascending.
thank you

[rigid mural]

Like grandma yeah ! Seems like ancestors can descend wherever they please but graves are where we can call them !

[late wasp]

ancestors know your darkest secrets
they are right behind you rn

[rigid mural]

I gtg eat but I love talking about lightseekers; my bet's on Double-Five Lightcatcher being the TS this week

[frigid tinsel]

that would be fitting given the upcoming Days of Bloom
wait when it Days of Bloom?

[rigid mural]

This month :]

[raw crypt]

March 28th - April 10th!

[rigid mural]

For the equinox 🌸

[raw crypt]

lightseeker swag..

[frigid tinsel]

Spirits from a previous Season (Lightseekers) return to the Hidden Forest social space to once more seek Light amidst the blossoms
thinking of this vid of them apparently collecting light from the tree: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
maybe the "cherry blossoms" of the spirit trees aren't just petals but kinds of light? pink light?
but no, they're collecting a white-looking light from the tree, not pink.

[rigid mural]

What if the trees in forest are light trees n that's why they were cut

[lofty void]

you forgot
“Its not that deep bro”

[livid crypt]

@keen shore please don't gossip about other members

[sturdy hound]

Is it ok to post theories about the new season on this channel?

[lofty void]

No, since it’s beta content. Unless you’re talking about Abyss

[sturdy hound]

Ok

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat bingo card:
–gender
–god discussion
–Vela art
–any art in general inspired by lorechat debacles, much appreciated
–wooly manta
–Ash jumpscare
–question that should really go in #questions-and-help
–Valley Elder(s) shenanigans
–Beta spoilers that really shouldn't be in here
–"hey can you explain the whole story of Sky?" ensuing insanity
–anatomy debates
–[spirit/Elder] needs a hug
–memes
–skybot: it's not that deep. everyone else: yes it is!
–essay posts
–killing skids for lore
–fanfiction
–concept art

[formal skiff]

Yep that covers everything

[nimble ingot]

If it is not officially in Live, it is not allowed.

[soft timber]

slides in here I always wanted ask this, since spirits (at least the ones I pay enough attention to) have fingers and skykids have mittens for hands, is there ever a chance that skykids can chose to have fingers or is it only the adults that can have such fingers?

[frigid tinsel]

i think it's a technical limitation that skykids have mitten hands. would take a lot of computing power phones may not have to animate

[nimble ingot]

Some adult spirits have mitten hands too. This is a game limitation/ingame style instead of canon lore.
Unless you want to say that the skykids/spirits are wearing mittens that is.

[lofty void]

anzu appearing and dissappearing

[frigid tinsel]

adding "is this true in-universe, a gameplay mechanic, or a technical limitation?" to the bingo card.
actually let me open Photoshop

[nimble ingot]

ooh, you can add Sky = Journey to that too.

[soft timber]

Thankie, I thought it would be like if they can choose to have fingers or not

[nimble ingot]

imagine that.
A sky character starts with mitten hands. And when they need fingers, their hands morph into fingers at will, just to reform into a single mass of skin for the hand.

[frigid tinsel]

that might hurt

[soft timber]

Sweet! It would be useful to emphasize gestures and actions like pointing, counting things on their hands, and the like

[static meteor]

i wouldnt think it would hurt, i mean skykids seem to morph and change shape and height at will anyway

if they're made of clay/ash/ceramic it wouldn't matter anyway, it's a malleable substance

[nimble ingot]

why animate something that might be hard to see instead of relying on imagination to get the point across.

This is also possibly why the faces are 😶
You can always imagine what their faces looks like in the moment instead.

[nimble ingot]

• Casting height change spell

*Clay cracking sounds

[static meteor]

HAHA OH NO

[frigid tinsel]

vets: that's normal, don't worry about it

[soft timber]

It would be better for some people like me to know what the kind of feeling is

[static meteor]

also i love the lack of mouth and proper expressive features in the skykid's design, it makes them seem both cuter and more mysterious to me
when they're too expressive, they seem a little too human to me
the masks hiding the face give them a sense of mystery

which is why I get a little confused as to the popularity of the "maskless" feature

[nimble ingot]

It is simple.
Watch your skykid do something, think of how they would feel, then project how you would feel onto that tiny face.
You will get the hang of it sooner than you think.

Just like your skykid is learning how to be more animated develop a personality with emotes and cosmetics, you can learn how to project yourself through the skykid.
By playing the game, and making friends, you get the chance on how to adapt to social situations and how to present yourself.
Even though it is a skykid in game, that is an app on your phone. Sky can be something special.

[soft timber]

Sweet!

[keen shore]

Hey everyone, I think I’m gonna have to step away from lorechat for a bit. Recent drama here that I hadn’t picked up on until it exploded out of proportion has just really stressed me out since I care for both sides and just want to talk about lore, as well as the ever present worry that others disliked me as well and I just haven’t picked up on it. I’m still going to be here obviously reading through things but will probably not say a lot / withdraw until it gets resolved.<3

[nimble ingot]

Fair enough, hope to see you when the final season quest comes out. 👍

[frigid tinsel]

take care, hope things settle down for you soon

[soft timber]

holds I hope you're going to be ok

[maiden fog]

What do you suppose this is??? It is found in the hangout spot in the eye of eden. I feels significant but I cant quite figure out in what way. I had to use rocket just to get a good view of it.

[late wasp]

that's the top of the vault of knowledge, of course

[maiden fog]

I don't think so...

[nimble ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/944105758910472242/unknown.png
That is the top of Vault tower.

there is a similar design seen as the flag posts in the Valley Races

[nimble ingot]

It is the top of Vault that transitions over to Eden.

[maiden fog]

The design looks like a train

Either way im looking for clues and lore stuff in eden.

[nimble ingot]

Hang on, this is more for avid theorists here that know about these diamond symbols.

I need to check this to be sure, but would the amount of diamonds correspond to the realm?
As in Dawn has 1, Day 2, Forest 3, Valley 4, Wasteland 5, Vault 6 and Eden 7?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree perhaps?

[late wasp]

anyways, if you go to Dawn Isle temple, you'll see that same thing pictured on top of the Vault's "Tower"

while I'll continue to believe the Vault was built into the mountain, like an actual vault that ascends into the mountain.
there is another read since the Isle Temple shows a tower:

Maybe Eden is growing and engulfed the Vault's tower.

[nimble ingot]

Seeing that we see the whole vault, especially the outside.
The Vault could be a Tower and still extend into the mountain.

[late wasp]

I'm not so sure we see the entire vault from the outside though.
It seems to be we reach a wall of sorts - maybe a mountain side
and inside the Wasteland Elder's temple, we have to go through a long corridor until entering the main Vault area.

As if the Wasteland Elder Temple is a gate into the mountain, where we find the vault within,

[nimble ingot]

lol, reminds me a bit of the Lord of the Rings.

I know we have tall spirits, short spirits, big spirits and small spirits (as in young). But would we have a dwarf spirit by any chance?
It would be cool to have more spirits that are as tall as skykids, but still be ancestors.

[late wasp]

I'm waiting to get that Season of Abyss hat to become a dwarf! LOL
So I can use the hat + Isle Beard + Chibi Mask

[nimble ingot]

lol

"I am a Skykid and I am digging for Lore"
"How deep is the for Lore? How deep is the Lore?"

[late wasp]

moves to Forest and asks to become a Crystal Smith under the Forest Elder

[frigid tinsel]

"diggy diggy lore, diggy diggy lore"

[compact shale]

I come in to this message

[nimble ingot]

Just because the bot is still down and the chat is quiet

feel free to use this when the chat is dead.
It took me less than a minute to make and would not care if this image ever gets used again.

[compact shale]

@nimble ingot @nimble ingot

[nimble ingot]

yes?

[compact shale]

SORRY MISCLICK

[boreal nebula]

Wow, Lightseeker collecting Light from the sappling

[boreal nebula]

it is the top, it is depicted on mural in Isle Temple hall

[compact shale]

Interesting... This is probably the first time I've seen a spirit use level 2/4 emotes outside their tree

[boreal nebula]

Seen here

[compact shale]

How are pics of Sapling pioneer and pics of the Isle temple related

[nimble ingot]

They are referring to the top of the Vault tower compared to the mural.

[compact shale]

Ohhhhh

[boreal nebula]

It's a countinous evolution Granma at the Iglo Dinner and Gratitude Crew on the Fortune dock

[compact shale]

Oh they also used glowy emotes? Okay, used to think there was something deep about ancestors not using glowy emotes

... Is there, still?

[boreal nebula]

Indeed , theY are a Lightseeker

[compact shale]

They're definitely harvesting light

... For what?

In concept, the Lightseekers helped souls ascend

So that light might be the sapling's soul (it's probably as dead as the rest of them)

If it's NOT the sapling's soul, then what could that light be for? It seems to be just regular common white light, the petals don't seem to affect that, though that may just be limitations

[boreal nebula]

Ooh!

Moth, you say?I thought it was a manta like in the picture above in Isle Temple hall (which I posted in addition by mistake )

[compact shale]

Skykid: What does pink light do?
Laidback: It gives you pinkeye.
Skykid: what
Laidback: Just kidding.

||pinkeye/conjunctivitis is an eye infection||

[boreal nebula]

I think they are simply collecting/harvesting some light maybe the tree itself sortof gave it in exchange for the hug received

[boreal nebula]

🥲 😳 😵‍💫

[rigid mural]

wym ? yeah the previous manta in the refinery looks a lot like the mantas depicted in isle temple & on the pedestal of prairie wind vanes (around bird nest and sanct) !

[compact shale]

Wait the sapling got hugged? Imagine how that must feel

Laidback: Here have a hu- oogh ouch ouch ouch sharp branches sharp!
Botanist watching from behind a different tree:

[sly kestrel]

on my end, the spirit offered to hug me
Not the sapling

[boreal nebula]

Nevermind... On a glance I misread "feauturing a moth [symbol]"

[boreal nebula]

@sly kestrel Lucky you, in my case he got away pretty soon after hugging (3) + collecting the light (2)

There was clearly noone there anymore... so it was definitely hugging the sappling (or maybe it could be a bug I can investigate later)

[frigid tinsel]

Yea they hug the sapling

[rigid mural]

pioneer confirmed treehugger

[boreal nebula]

Remember when Ash told us the paint colors for Flight Crew were natural?

There are exactly these 2 flower colors there, yellow and blue

[frigid tinsel]

I was in Forest temple and heard this faint heartbeat

[rigid mural]

Oh ! That's because you're holding someone's hand !

[frigid tinsel]

Huh? That’s a thing?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, when you hold someone in anyway (by hand or piggyback) or die in Eden, you hear a heartbeat. Might require you to wear headphones to hear it properly but it's kinda cool.

[distant turtle]

Never noticed those! Forest has some blues too.

[frigid tinsel]

Skids have heartbeats?

[rigid mural]

might just be a thematic sound

[frigid tinsel]

Okay then
explain the screech

I’m feeling like a ghosthunter analyzing these sounds omg

[harsh pecan]

lol

[rigid mural]

Sounds more like a bell to me, might be an ambient sound, the kind that's played alongside sparkles. i hear it sometimes in eden's stormlock

[frigid tinsel]

I was leaning toward “audio bug” cos I’ve never heard that before but dunno if anyone else had

[rigid mural]

To be fair I seldom play with the music off, though I did hear a screeching sound in eden once, when I was in the crab pipe.

[frigid tinsel]

my music wasn't off then either. sometimes the music just goes quiet, even when I'm moving, like here.

[cunning shell]

Maybe it’s the sound of a Winged Light dying

[harsh pecan]

tbh i wouldnt know since i listen to music while candlerunning but ill try to hear it when i go there

[rigid mural]

This high pitched screeching sound. Like a train braking.

[frigid tinsel]

sounds like metallic pipes moving but that doesn't register as the same sound to me

[burnt crow]

Does anybody here has a full world map for sky kingdom? 🤔

[rigid mural]

Yeah, sorry for the calls over it btw, the moth just lost winged light and we were all worried.

[nimble ingot]

There is also a Abyssal moaning sound in the Point of no return tunnel.
You can stand near the point where the game gives you a warning and hear it in the background.

I personally believe this is meant to have been the King, but since the game changed so much since the concept art phase, the sound could instead be the storm itself, I suppose.

[frigid tinsel]

that is a very curious sound nevertheless.
something I love about Sky is how it sounds. the sounds and music are pleasant, but the sounds also indicate things. I can never put my finger on it (maybe the audio processing disorder) but the sounds ring in my being.

[rigid mural]

I think it's been found out it's a latin chant or something last month, lemme look it up.

[nimble ingot]

ah I remember, poor thing.

[rigid mural]

im not the one that found it out but here, it's Dies Irae
@nimble ingot

[sharp lichen]

Dies Irae plays all throughout Eden, even in the main theme

[compact shale]

@frigid tinsel heartbeat insights from tinfoil lorechat

[nimble ingot]

you guys are gonna make me lose sleep over that.
A Gregorian chant of a poem about Judgement Day!!?

If THAT does not carry a hint of a Christian mythology, I honestly dont know what will!
Thanks @rigid mural and @sharp lichen
I will enjoy reading that, after I get some rest.

[sharp lichen]

https://youtu.be/K1C1u0w1Rrw: See? It’s like they plastered signs saying “YOU WILL DIE” all over

[frigid tinsel]

mate, this hellscape is called Eden

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think it’s the king making that noise in the eden tunnel, with headphones it sounds like multiple voices all at once

[nimble ingot]

Oh, I am aware.
I was not expecting that kind of hell in Sky though lol.

[nimble ingot]

You have a point.
Especially couple with the hidden musical reference.

[sly kestrel]

there’s some crazy stuff in the game but their old concepts were much scarier

[nimble ingot]

The deeper the lore is, the darker its secrets.
To think Sky can still hold that kind of depth for a phone game is an art in of itself.

[mental ridge]

That's even worse

[sly kestrel]

I lost the other pics I had but here’s some of the old dark creature concepts

[nimble ingot]

Those who are into musical motifs.
The notes for Dies Irea are a lot like those in Eden's theme, The Current by Vincent Diamante.

See the music section on this wiki page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_irae

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light makes noise too

[sly kestrel]

I kinda wish they kept that concept of saving dark creatures

[frigid tinsel]

interesting how dark creatures would die

[compact shale]

With the light of friendship!

Like a final attack

[frigid tinsel]

Not the “saving” but the “dead” and “dying” depictions. It just slumps onto the ground and turns into rock

[sly kestrel]

I don’t rlly think of it as dying but more as passing on
Maybe the old idea was that u would give the dark creature some of ur light so they can ascend in orbit like everyone else

[mental ridge]

Woah that's actually worse than what we have but i actually would to see those creatures in live version

[compact shale]

The little light left in them would be freed and ascended to Orbit?

[sly kestrel]

I think so yea
I mean it’s hard to believe all dark creatures jus started as dark creatures

[frigid tinsel]

dark creatures are confirmed corrupted. personally I believe crabs have "darkness rabies" but krill were some unknown light creature before the darkness transformed them.

[late wasp]

I'm not sure either. That dev (forgot his name, the leader guy) only said "corrupted" creatures. But he doesn't call them light creatures iirc.
Genova?

[compact shale]

Jenova

[frigid tinsel]

From: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

[slender panther]

incredibly late to the party but also not true

ooh are we talking about krills?

[sharp lichen]

ah sorry

[slender panther]

no worries ^^

[keen shore]

Just dropping by with a short video. Tried to relive sanct quests to get the murals in order for each one, discovered you can’t do that, but can relive the cutscene memories happening after. Somehow I never noticed the sanct guide actually uses cyan light before

[rotund spindle]

Hi lore chat! Any thoughts on the water trial thing meanwhile skid has acquired the diving skills?

[compact shale]

instant death water? why?

[frigid tinsel]

Water is too cold

[compact shale]

water dissolves our bodies instantly /j

[hushed steeple]

The giant skull at the grave yard entrance is a turtle skull, actually.

[harsh pecan]

We’ll still die

[compact shale]

;sdfjsdhshgansdg true

but 2 minutes is not instant

at least 2 minutes is enough to microwave something

[eager pagoda]

maybe we're only able to dive with the cape on?
I'm not good at lore solving so please don't feed me to the krills

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s because the Trial water is extremely cold. Cold water is no joke: Skykids probably can’t handle it. Meanwhile, the water in Abyss is warm, meaning that it’s far more comfortable

[compact shale]

the water is so cold light insulation stops working?

[half shadow]

I think the answer is it’s just magic

[sweet narwhal]

I am pretty sure that's the end of vault of knowledge (sorry for bad quality)

[harsh pecan]

Yep!

[compact shale]

the magic of willpower and min-

[sweet narwhal]

So that means....EDEN SHARES THE SAME END AS VAULT?

[half shadow]

oh my god I just had a heart attack. somebody was doing the angler memory while i was swimming around near the boat and i turned around and saw the mini-krill under the water with me and freaked out

I was about to hop in here like UHHH GUYS

[harsh pecan]

Hmm

[sweet narwhal]

T-then the mantas

THE KRILLS

[formal skiff]

WHOA YEAH

[frigid tinsel]

I was sorta serious about my "water is too cold" quip but I'm getting too tired to speak well about it so pardon if wording bad.

basically, light brings heat and is warm. darkness, with a dearth of light, is cold. darkness is a force that consumes and holds onto light, draining our own light, extinguishing our flame, taking our winged light, and ultimately killing us. underwater, we lose light because of the darkness in the water. there's no light in the water of the Water Trial. presumably, the waters are full of darkness. the Water Trial is cold.

@/coca cola is actually on the right track when considering our lack of cape. doing the Trials, we only have our flames. elsewhere, when our flames go out, skykids rely on winged light to keep moving and hopefully rekindle themselves. that's why we lose winged light after our flames go out – not only are we using up that light, the darkness that extinguished us in the first place is now feeding on our winged light. underwater, we lose winged light first before our flames go out. as for why, I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward a defense mechanism against the darkness in the water but that's debatable.

so we face the Water Trial full of water full of darkness without winged light to sustain us if our flames go out. the water overtakes us, darkness feeds on and extinguishes our light, and we shiver and die.

the water is too cold.

[formal skiff]

Huh I like that theory. Definitely willing to go with that.

So you’re saying that without our winged light, just about any water could kill us?

[compact shale]

The WL is protecting our flame inside, and if we took our candle out of the shell (and presumably the winged lights protecting it) underwater (you can't in-game), you'd die instantly

[formal skiff]

||wait do I recognize that username ||
||why are they back||

[frigid tinsel]

i think in warmer waters where light is about, such as the shallows of Treasure Reef, darkness isn't prominent enough to be a threat. so not any water, just cold water with darkness in it.
perhaps polluted water is frigid

[formal skiff]

Makes sense!

[frigid tinsel]

also, along Fruity's point, water itself may just put out or flame, regardless of whether it's hot or cold, so that's why we can't take our flames out underwater

[compact shale]

Yeah, so we lose wl right away because our flame was already screwed from the start

[frigid tinsel]

like, you can't light a wet candle. you can't light a candle underwater. common sense. physics > magic

[formal skiff]

||actually tho, like I’m generally really not someone to be against someone’s presence but like that was some hardcore homophobia and their presence here does make me uncomfortable… idk if I’m the only one or if this isn’t something I should be concerned about||

[rigid mural]

oh no

[frigid tinsel]

||perhaps left the server before the mods could ban them and now they're back?||

[sharp lichen]

||We’re keeping an eye on you mister||

[rigid mural]

you guys are aware everyone can open these, right

[rigid mural]

i really dont care, if they start anything like last time, just call a mod

anyway back to lore, the water in water trial is probably cold, steam comes out when you die in it

[formal skiff]

Ok so just…. keep an eye on them? And if things go awry the mods can help

Lol ignore the fact that I accidentally reacted “yes” to the wrong message, I fixed it

[rigid mural]

oh hey, i made this emote recently for a closed server, feel free to use it for your own

[frigid tinsel]

anyways, my "light is warm, darkness is cold" idea is saddling between headcanon and theory, especially since we don't know how the characters in Sky experience temperature but we know that sources of light also emenate heat. I'm finding it useful to deem places full of light as "warm" and places full of darkness "cold," especially when it comes to my writing.

Golden Wasteland and Eden, places full of darkness, are cold and may actually feel rather bitter. Prairie may be warm or even hot on very sunny days. Valley may be chilly cos of the snow and ice but it's offset but the ambient warmth of light.

[sharp lichen]

Probably really cold. If I have to estimate, it’s probably far below freezing: -20 to -5 degrees Celsius, or -10 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit

[formal skiff]

Omg yes I’m using this tysm

[sharp lichen]

To me, all you need for a headcanon to turn into a theory is evidence

[frigid tinsel]

my evidence is that when I play Sky, my phone gets hot.

[formal skiff]

Yeah lol Sky is probably TERRIBLE for my battery life but
Shhhh
We ignore this and play it anyway

[harsh pecan]

Awww

[compact shale]

would it be cool if i put this in the fanfic server :3

[frigid tinsel]

my battery health dropped from 96 to 85 when I started playing Sky and I've been afraid to check it. I haven't checked it in four months.

[rigid mural]

you will find it interesting you need more sun protection when you're higher up in snowy mountains than in mountains with close to no snow, so maybe sky kids are like plants and sensitive to sunlight

[compact shale]

Haah, I'm sure skykids can handle the sun just fine, clay doesn't get affected by UV, right...?

But yeah, AU where skykids are made of plant is interesting

[frigid tinsel]

maybe the environmental cold doesn't bother them at all cos a) lack of flesh and b) the sunlight or their inner light warms them.
darkness cold, however, does bother them.

[compact shale]

Sky: Photosynthesis-Capable Beings of the Light

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are able to photosynthesize

[compact shale]

synthesize... what?

[frigid tinsel]

photosynthesis is the ability to convert light into energy. skykids use light to live so effectively photosynthesis

[rigid mural]

light
the wax we gather is canonically called light
so if we gather it... photosynthesis

[formal skiff]

I mean photosynthesis refers to a very specific process which skids certainly don’t carry out, so I wouldn’t use that word. But. We definitely might do something SIMILAR.

[compact shale]

Photosynthesis But For Children

[rigid mural]

is the quest making you gather 30 wax points called "gather 30 light" in english or something along these lines too ?

[compact shale]

30 pieces of light

[frigid tinsel]

yea, "wax" is just the community given name. it's called "light" and "pieces of light" in game.
so it's not actual wax.

[dire agate]

I've been theorizing about the ancestors' genders.
All spirits are referred to with neutral pronouns, but this could mean a lot of things. Are their memories too deteriorated to be able to say? Did their society not have a concept of separate genders? Did their language simply not have gendered pronouns?
But I'm wondering if maybe that's because they can't be translated to English because they have more possibilities than we do. Maybe the ancestors' species had several sexes.

[formal skiff]

I mean I think they’re just all agender but

[frigid tinsel]

devs confirmed that everyone in Sky in genderless

[rigid mural]

so it's light indeed

[compact shale]

What Alasdair said, plus that headcanon that you lose your gender when you die

edit: Oh, Salem made it? Cool!

[eager pagoda]

dumb question but if everyone in Sky is genderless how are spirits able to reproduce? or do they just pop into existence or something

[compact shale]

We have a very hard time talking about that here.

[rigid mural]

*conceived without a gender in mind

though in canon i just think ancestors dont pay much attention to gender, and most would even go with whatever pronoun you give them

[frigid tinsel]

sigh
gender ≠ sex

[dire agate]

There do seem to be some distinct body types in spirits though, which often correlate with specific styles of dress. I feel like there's something more that could be to it 🤔

[eager pagoda]

ah right, I forgot this was supposed to be a family friendly server

[rigid mural]

they're just more or less fat, i dont think it's that important tbh

[formal skiff]

A human: *says something about gender *
A Sky kid: wait hold on, back up, what was that?
Human: gender?
Sky kid: what now??
Human: *tries to explain *
Sky kid: so… people just……. never mind I’m lost again, I’m pretty sure you’re just making this up to confuse me. it sounds kinda fishy anyway.

[lean siren]

do you think megabird is like the stork story where megabird just deliver babies to spirits

[sweet narwhal]

Nup I think you're talking about me the homophobic 😞

[sweet narwhal]

Woooooooooly manta

[lean siren]

gemder baby

[formal skiff]

Lol

[eager pagoda]

so you're saying spirits just randomly pop into existence and people are like "oh yeah, classic megabird"

[rigid mural]

just tell the sky kid gender is a kind of cosmetic

[lean siren]

nah megabird fly personally to a spirits and said "here ur baby"

[frigid tinsel]

maybe ancestors reproduced. maybe all ancestors fell from the sky as babies. maybe they planted their tears in the sand and a baby ancestor grew out of it. who knows? I'm not too interested in that

[compact shale]

it's theorized that the ancestors fell from the stars, but we don't know if it's intentional or not

[harsh pecan]

Don’t repeat what happened last time…

[rigid mural]

don't.

[formal skiff]

You’ve got mask, cape, hair, pants, accessory, and gender

[sweet narwhal]

What happened

[harsh pecan]

We have to buy gender

[formal skiff]

My dude. They’re hecking CHILDREN. That’s disgusting. Also, they’re not even biological beings.

[eager pagoda]

I have a feeling you didn't think this through

[sweet narwhal]

Stop with the damn cute manta

[harsh pecan]

Exactly, it’s disgusting

[lean siren]

<@&600489743716712458>

[sweet narwhal]

Yeah I guess I am banned then

Any second now

[rigid mural]

you're looking for it, admittedly

[formal skiff]

You kinda
You brought it upon yourself buddy

[dire agate]

Wait, so - when an ancestor got too overweight they were honorably gifted their new head-covering shoulder drape 🤔🤔
That seems mean

[frigid tinsel]

maybe they didn't have a concept of "overweight"

[compact shale]

their true hair went and abandoned them /j

[rigid mural]

maybe it's just a hood ?

[lean siren]

love is store in the body

[sweet narwhal]

Any moment now

[compact shale]

they only have "good for hugging" or "better for hugging"

[harsh pecan]

I think it’s just TGC reusing models

[fickle wing]

hermit greeter n fire proph can store so much love in em

[lean siren]

slap big fellas bellies TEHSE BAD BOYS CAN FIT SO MUCH LOVE

[dire agate]

It's admittedly just the model being used but it's peculiar how the heavierset spirits universally have the hoods that cover their heads and the others don't
Could I brush it off as game technicalities? Yes, but what fun would that be?

[compact shale]

the fun is in being proud of yourself for averting an existential crisis

[keen shore]

They reused the light used to make up their hair to make themselves even WIDER

[sweet narwhal]

But not all spirits are "wide"
For example the hf one

[frigid tinsel]

we ask this question a lot: "is this true in-universe, a gameplay mechanic, or a technical limitation?"
crossing that off the bingo card (oh right i was making a bingo card)

[keen shore]

Not For Long

[lean siren]

egg shape

[rigid mural]

egg shape

[sweet narwhal]

What do you mean by that?

[compact shale]

it means that lorechat is on wide mode rn

[fickle wing]

yknow what’s super funny though how ridiculously tall the prophets are like
proph guide is already a skyscraper but fire? holy hell man

[eager pagoda]

theory: Grandma is stockpiling a bunch of food in order to feed all the spirits to make them wide

[sweet narwhal]

He is BIG WIDE

[lean siren]

he can carry so many spirits

[harsh pecan]

Reminds me of my grandma

[exotic steppe]

what if the feast is actually for spirits and we're just stealing their food

[rigid mural]

fire prophet could hug so many chibis all at once

[compact shale]

OH GOODNESS IS FIRE PROPH ACTUALLY TALLER THAN THE GUIDE THEMSELVES?!

[white junco]

he can carry so many friends

[formal skiff]

I SHALL HUG THEM ALL

[fickle wing]

also love how w the prophecy teaser we expected the guide 2 b shrimpy but nah man we got a beanpole

[eager pagoda]

wouldn't be the first time we stole something from someone in video games

[white junco]

LITTLE PROPHECY

[compact shale]

and they will rain beans on you if you fall off the trials

[harsh pecan]

Dang someone’s messages got deleted

[dire agate]

Weird, maybe I'm hitting an automod or something

[fickle wing]

fire proph counts as a catperson w the lion mask change my mind

[dire agate]

Everything is grounds for in-universe lore
Except when my sky kid friends say "among goose"
That would take way, way too long to integrate

[frigid tinsel]

Sky furries:
Rallying Thrillseeker
all the prophets
Forest Elder

[rigid mural]

rythm troupe is probably mostly bird furries

[white junco]

there are so many bird people in this game

[lean siren]

I wonder what fire prophet look like without the mask does he just have beany eyes

[fickle wing]

rhythm guide n director pulling up w their owlsonas

[sweet narwhal]

Should tgc add a sword item cosmetic
Like a katana

[rigid mural]

this weeks ts ||has a bird sona||

[harsh pecan]

maybe

[lean siren]

forgot the dream spirits

[fickle wing]

yeti has a whole fursuit

[frigid tinsel]

i'm not too familiar with Dreams

[keen shore]

The hermit stole forest’s elders fursuit and now they are hiding from the law.

[raw crypt]

do u think most people have birdsonas bc of megabird

[compact shale]

we have one

but it's sewn into the pants and we can't chew off the threads

[fickle wing]

consider
northern white faced for director n rhythm

[rigid mural]

thats like jesus getting a fursona in narnia

[frigid tinsel]

something something king had a megabirdsona

[sweet narwhal]

Well better than nothing...what is it's name?

[exotic steppe]

i just realized that fire prophet doesn't have a cape because he works with fire and his cape could catch on fire if he ever had one

[compact shale]

Sword pants

It was available during the collaboration Season of The Little Prince and it cost 200 candles when it was out

Unfortunately it's not available anymore and probably never will be

[lean siren]

but can cape catch on fire? sky kids cape certainly dont

[sweet narwhal]

O sedd

[raw crypt]

swords be damned i need a valley paddle

[fickle wing]

new hc they USED to have a cape but. That exact thing happened and they had to stop wearing it </3

[frigid tinsel]

in life, the ancestors' clothing was made of fabric

[exotic steppe]

i think the capes spirits wear and capes we wear are different

[rigid mural]

headcanon it looked like the guy fieri shirt
fire proph came from flavortown

[lean siren]

makes sense

[raw crypt]

HELP

[fickle wing]

VELA
YOUR BRAIN YOU ABSOLUTE GENIUS

[keen shore]

oh fire prophet totally had the belly scratch cape.

[rigid mural]

fire proph looking kinda fruity ngl

[exotic steppe]

since we buy our capes from spirits, we get like the "spirit" version of the cape, or atleast that's what I think

[fickle wing]

the need for a redraw w this but w fire proph

[raw crypt]

give me a bit

[rigid mural]

SLINK YOU HERO

[harsh pecan]

eyyy

[lean siren]

LETS GOOOOOO

[frigid tinsel]

just don't make em white, fire prophet has dreadlocks

[pastel brook]

[compact shale]

In the Pre-sword pants era people used the flute as a sword in samurai cosplays and such (actually they probably still do)

you can get the flute when the Double-Five Light Catcher comes back as a TS

[fickle wing]

prophet of flavortown

[exotic steppe]

also if you look at our shadow, the cape doesn't have one

[lean siren]

rember when he came as ts and he just spin

[frigid tinsel]

this is the only time i appreciate your interruptions, skybot

[sweet narwhal]

Thx I wanted it for making zenitsu

[harsh pecan]

whose that?

[eager pagoda]

demon slayer character

[frigid tinsel]

this is the gif of the emote if anyone wants it

[white junco]

spain without the a

[exotic steppe]

kinda sad I missed fire prophet

[fickle wing]

love this fella so much they r so silly ignore my skykid just conked out in the sand

[harsh pecan]

ohh

[frigid tinsel]

Fire Prophet TS gave one of my Sky OCs a glow up.
i do miss the long dreadlocks and wear em sometimes.

[sweet narwhal]

https://c.tenor.com/GYOoq2EeT98AAAAM/zenitsu-zenitsu-agatsuma.gif

[frigid tinsel]

someone is not having a fun time with the censor tonight

[white junco]

i’m having an awful time with the censor tonight it won’t let me compliment fire prophet

fire prophet you’re so cool n swag

[compact shale]

Helo fellow mountain goats

[soft timber]

Hello!

[white junco]

krii why does this screenshot genuinely feel like a poster

i figured it out it’s the spirit on the left’s pose

[keen shore]

Fun fact! out of all the face carvings on the realm doors, the isle elder is the only one with a diamond on its forehead!

[soft timber]

OOO

[keen shore]

Also vault elder is just rendered as a bald version of forest elder… for some reason… [new conspiracy theory?]

Also forest’s eyes are glowing because that’s the realm I was in last - I jumped in accidentally while taking pictures

[frigid tinsel]

isn't Forest Elder's eyes glowing cos that's where daily tasks are today?

[keen shore]

Or maybe that I’m not sure

[frigid tinsel]

the Elder's eyes glow if that's where tasks are that day, I'm pretty sure.

[keen shore]

I will check this tomorrow

[dire agate]

New theory

[keen shore]

my god…

[frigid tinsel]

it's crabs all the way down

[harsh pecan]

Oh wow

[compact shale]

PSA: Don't get too wide or you become a crab

[hushed steeple]

I made an ice age baby cosplay in sky.........

........what am I doing with my life.

[rigid mural]

Carcinization

[white junco]

sooner or later we all become kreb

[hushed steeple]

So this is the symbol for the light. It is similar to the king's but I can't tell if it's similar enough to be the same symbol.

[tranquil harbor]

And then sky kids grab us and carry us around

[frigid tinsel]

For clarity

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[keen shore]

It is the same symbol shown for the king’s mask in concept art as far as I can tell, but worth noting that this might not have carried over to the finished game - the crown usually gets shown instead

[hushed steeple]

(Heads up, pioneer is doing marching emote here, I just had bad timing)

Ok there is a definite similarity between these two. And its possible that this is intentional as TGC confirmed that light seekers and assembly were connected by the spirits.

Pioneer has a cut and bleeding eye marking on their mask and other (were they also a pioneer?) Spirit has an eye patch over that same exact eye. Pioneer did the marching emote today, the exact same emote that the other spirit has the copy right to. THEY ARE FOUND IN THE SAME AREA! This can't be a coincidence, can it?

[frigid tinsel]

injuring one's eye may be family tradition

[hushed steeple]

When one comes of age, of which is 5 years old, they must have a sword slit open their eye, specifically the left one.

[keen shore]

Are vault elder and cannoneer part of this hypothetical family as well

[hushed steeple]

OH MY JAR!!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

They also have the triangle under their eye, so either they stole that mask, or the light seekers pioneer and the rhythm guide are lesbians.

[compact shale]

OPTICAL DAMAGE
@hushed steeple maybe it's Rhythm merch they stole

[hushed steeple]

WITHOUT PAYING?!

[compact shale]

Maaayyyyybeeeee....

Also

March+Laidback+Lamed+Cannoneeeeeeeeeeeeeer

TEAM LEFT OPTICAL DAMAGE!!!!!!!!

[compact shale]

Interesting

March's commonly theorized relative is Twirling Champion, due to them both having triangle masks and March generally being linked to Valley in theories due to their emote

[hushed steeple]

I'd like to point out the similarities of this hill and eden.
The beam of light, the winged light, it being covered by some form of h2O, us dying trying to get there.

And then the last part, the cutscene that plays when we get the Jesus ability ALWAYS has the water at its lowest point, revealing the entirety of fake eden. And during that the light beam fades away and we collect a winged light from there.

SEEING AS THIS IS THE SEASON OF PROPHECY...........

You catch what I'm saying?

[frigid tinsel]

cold

[hushed steeple]

But the fact that laidback pioneer has a very unique similarity of mask with march and they used the march emote today SPECIFICALLY the march emote, the ONLY emote they did without interacting with the tree.

That changes things.

[compact shale]

mmm myes emote conspiracies

[raw crypt]

i wouldnt survive cowboy times bc i am not the fastest draw in the west

[hushed steeple]

NO I FINISHED EATING MY GUMMY BEARS!!!!!!!

[raw crypt]

wait was i supposed to put the shirt on them I MAY HAVE MESSED UP

[frigid tinsel]

precious Slink art

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD I LOVE IT. SO MUCH

[hushed steeple]

Ah yeah, its all coming together.

(can't wait to see 200)

[compact shale]

nice!

[hushed steeple]

If 12 wedges looks like this instead of moving to the next wedge down, I'm gonna lose it.

[fickle wing]

ABSOLUTELY LEGENDARY

[compact shale]

dw im even slower /lh

[raw crypt]

fixed version 😌

[white junco]

SLINK YOU LEGEND

[fickle wing]

PROPHET OF FLAVORTOWN

[frigid tinsel]

mate this is awesome like omg

[hushed steeple]

Nice, love it love the joke too

I should mention though that cow boys mostly herded cattle and didn't really take part in many duals or what not. At least that's how it was in oklahoma. Though I might be wrong as my only source is my history teacher and Oklahoma the musical.

[keen shore]

How did it get even better…. my god I didn’t think it was possible

[frigid tinsel]

just wanna ask, you okay tho? /j

[gilded socket]

oh goodness

[keen shore]

Mood

[hushed steeple]

If you ever want to and just feel like drawing, but don't have any references r ideas. You can draw my sky character as it is right now.
You don't have to, this isn't a strict request, just a slight suggestion for when you're bored or anything.

(I'm an artist and I just want to be as nice as possible please don't take this the wrong way)

[rigid mural]

YES
and how in the earth trial the beam is in a tower that breaks apart !
Air and fire straight up don't have it

[rigid mural]

THANK YOU I LOVE THIS
I bet they're a grill king

[compact shale]

so water trial predicts eden, earth trial predicts the crumbling stuff in ascent, how about air and fire?

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmm, fire is completely covered in fog, maybe flight? Though that might not be certain. Air could also be flight. OH FIRE AND THE CLOUDS COVERING THE KINGDOM!!!!!!!

[fickle wing]

hc that each of the prophets have some sorta atla style bending w their elements
im just saying fire proph would b an absolute beast when it comes 2 grilling w this

[rigid mural]

You're onto something there.

[white junco]

krii keep going

[raw crypt]

1. thank u for the kind words!!

2. im fine my computer isnt i never turn it off properly and then i wonder why it struggles

3. cowboy season with herding mantas when

4. Current lore topic: I think potentially air could be expanding on the destruction of the castle, like earths how it happened while airs just the current state of it maybe, like how theres lots of floating chunks and pieces of it?

[fickle wing]

sorry my brain has completely blanked and im just thinking of the prophets having a bbq rn

[raw crypt]

They just want to grill for megabirds sake

[white junco]

air trials weird spiky-ness kinda reminds me of the destroyed eden castle, especially when you see it in the isle of dawn cutscene

[hushed steeple]

You mean the tower that breaks reality but is really just a projection?

[fickle wing]

fire proph and the qg

[nimble ingot]

Very late but would like to add that cyan lightbis the element of air. The kind of elemental light that can be found between Dawn and Day (among the clouds).

Perhaps, since the season was before underwater area were a thjng, the light creatures were living jn the water.
And with the spirit'sbhelp calling them out with bells, the guide was able to jse the elemental magic to allow the light creatures to leave the water.

[rigid mural]

does water proph have the "women want me fish fear me" cap

[fickle wing]

oh definitely

[hushed steeple]

Remember, cosmic manta are artificial. Check my bio for a bit more detail.

[white junco]

accidentally hit the enter button too early mb
how many variations of the cap would water proph have

[compact shale]

why did you put that in your bio-

[rigid mural]

I think the other prophs gift them one per year like those "world n1 dad" cups

[hushed steeple]

s o t h a t n o b o d y e v e r f o r g e t s

[fickle wing]

earth n air proph would wear spiderman and batman themed stuff change my mind

[white junco]

prophecy guide gifts them this one one year

[rigid mural]

Water proph is leonardo from TMNT

[hushed steeple]

Air is actually zoobat and earth is actually joltik.