lore-discussion-spoilers

[lean siren]

more or less I think they're ignorant rather than transphobic it depends on whether they're willing to learn or not

[hushed steeple]

What is this chat

Ok bye politic chat

[frigid tinsel]

I mean we literally just had a homophobe here a couple days ago so I’m on edge between “bigot” or “ignorant”

[half shadow]

some people are not intentionally transphobic, but instead misinformed. however that misinformation is used to spread transphobic rhetoric even if it is not intended, so they should examine themselves and actively work to unlearn that conditioning.

in other news: how about them sky theories

[rigid mural]

Yeah, litterally what the hell is up with that. I'm worried.

[rustic heron]

Divisiveness on the topic is understandable, and strong emotions are expected, but it is also necessary to be mindful of one's responses in spite of the strong emotional attachment.

Do you best to be inclusive and accepting on both sides, and expect that it may not always be possible to be composed when talking about such sensitive topics.

[half shadow]

somebody start the manta meat debate again quick

[lean siren]

is that the mr gay

[frigid tinsel]

Homophobe called Vela “mr gay”

[rigid mural]

Anyway.

[lean siren]

OHHHHH

[rustic heron]

This is very reminiscent of that one scene from Fantasia.

[formal skiff]

and if lil is willing to learn, i'm willing to teach

[half shadow]

literally this concept art goes so hard i am in love with giant king body it reminds me of the gargoyle animation from fantasia

[broken badger]

This what my parents told me and how i grew up, boy and girl
My mom is homophoic and when i was 15 i said i wanted to be boy once

(Lets say it didnt end well)

[tulip aspen]

thanks

[lean siren]

hey that's nice and all but can you talk to them in DMs

[white junco]

left hand side of the image that creature looks kinda familiar

[lean siren]

i didn't realize is that the whale

[rigid mural]

And ? Don't be a transphobe, end of story.

[frigid tinsel]

Speaking of anatomy doc, I made some updates

[half shadow]

Hmmmm, this is sorta interesting. Whats “Nadir” mean here?

[rigid mural]

YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD. I WATCHED IT THE OTHER DAY TOO.

[white junco]

to me it looks a lot like the big spooky guy in abyss

[half shadow]

leviathan cameo

[rustic heron]

It is a difficult concept for some. Introspection is difficult, and hatred is sometimes easier to express. But like others have said, with a difficult history that follows from experiencing bigotry and prejudice when expressing the full reality of gender, it is hard to talk about.

Let's try and shelve the discussion for now, okay? It's probably easier to move one and let the tension subside while we talk about something fun, hmmm?

[half shadow]

when the fifth quest comes out and we get to see more of the leviathan hopefully i’m gonna teach myself how to make a fancam of it because i love it so much

[half shadow]

ahhh I thought it sounded familiar!!

[lean siren]

it only got one pair of eyes so I guess whale

[formal skiff]

probably means the third one in this situation

[tulip aspen]

its understandable to be on edge after that, but everyone immediately throwing out the "you're transphobic" isn't cool either tbh

the sensitivity and understanding of different situations has to go both was

[white junco]

this is also concept art, so I'd guess that the design got an upgrade for abyss

[half shadow]

hey Jam we’re not talking about that anymore

Nadir is also apparently a boy’s name in Arabic that means “precious” or “dear”

[frigid tinsel]

Her tone seemed mocking. Last I’ll say of this

[half shadow]

saying something like that in a chat full of non cis people is likely to make a few of us bristle, please understand that. what we should get back to discussing is what manta meat tastes like

[frigid tinsel]

Bet manta meet tastes like fish

[tulip aspen]

i love how we can notice they actually kept some features of this concept and placed it into the original game

[half shadow]

oh yeah the actual setup of the eden climb looks pretty similar

[tulip aspen]

yeah it's almost literally the first stage before the wl tunnel!

[half shadow]

yeeee it’s neat

[rustic heron]

I'm going to say something controversial: I think the notion of ascended candles, of the Eden climb having consequence and impact outside of itself as a self-contained experience, hurts it inherently and makes it the worst part of the game.

[half shadow]

that’s alright, I understand why you’d feel that way

[rigid mural]

I'd like to link the ash theory with sky kids constantly reincarnating and funeral ash.

[half shadow]

I kinda like ascended candles tbh. the scene where you see all of the light kids you rescued lined up and how they “thank” you makes me have chills every time

[tulip aspen]

outside of itself
what does that mean am confuse

[rustic heron]

In Journey, you lose all your scarf everytime you ascend the mountain. It represents the end of life, the descent from your previous self to a point of ending. Its finality represented something greater because it was self-contained.

Your end in Journey is the end of your journey. There is no lasting consequence to dying, ascending the mountain, and entering the light. It is important in itself alone, relying on your previous experiencers alone to create a sense of finality and an apex of success.

But after you die, that's it. The journey ends, and a new and different journey begins.

In Sky, the end is a means to get currency. It is not final, and loses impact because it becomes a means to something superficial.

Literally superficial, in fact; you use ascended candles to buy hair and other cosmetics.

[sharp lichen]

maybe, but the worst story aspect to me is probably Vault. they didn't go far enough with the theming to each realm and the memory diamonds. Ascended candles aren't a good currency, but like fish said: the scene where they thank you is golden!

But yeah, i think that ascended candles should be heavily reworked so that going to Eden and ascending has no consequences. An idea I had was candles that you got every time you did a seasonal quest.

[rustic heron]

Vault has the same impact as the tower in Journey; it represents a retelling of your experiences, mostly positive and reflective. You feel the accomplishments of your past, culminating in the Elders gathering together to acknowledge your growth and their trust in you to finish waht they could not.

Or, at least it would if Vault actually showed the memories of your journey through Sky. It's been so abstracted to a point that it loses any personal meaning it would have for your character. This is probably why it feels so surreal and dreamlike; it's insubstantial.

[sharp lichen]

I'm not sure how it could have showed memories of your journey, especially when multiple players are there at once. Maybe, since Sky is all about its history, it could show cutscenes of major events that happened in the past

[rustic heron]

It would have been really cool if we could see, on our ascent in Vault, which spirits you experienced memories of, and which Sky kids helped you with those.

[formal skiff]

overall i think candle acquisition should be reworked, so that the daily quests system is more prominent or maybe even the only way to get candles. i like how those ask you to interact with the game and your friends, instead of mechanically flying around to get wax. candle runs can occasionally be relaxing in their monotony, but they are DEFINITELY monotonous and sky has the potential to be far more emotionally engaging than it currently is.

[sharp lichen]

For me: Eden>Prairie>Wasteland>Isle>Valley>Forest>Vault

[rustic heron]

For me, I think it's the inherent nature of MMOs to lose substantial meaning in the impact of a story like Journey or Sky.

MMOs are hollow experiences that naturally generate false competition among people to create an continuous experience of success and failure. This allows for an economy centered around optimization and monetary investment to achieve the greatest success among your competitors.

Sky does much to ameliorate this blight (sorry for the harsh wording), but you cannot fight against your inherent nature. Sky is an MMO, and the constant desire for cosmetics and the hunt for wax drives artificial scarcity, especially in the way of limited-time events like seasons, and temporary shops with limited items like traveling spirits.

Sure, it generates revenue, but it creates a soulless and empty experience when doing so.

[late wasp]

I would disagree with the wording here, and some of the extrapolation.
I don't entirely agree that "he says that the Elders' bodies and parts of elder light creatures, such as the armored faces of whales, are made of charcoal". I don't think this is true at all.

Those are concept arts, it is very likely that Charcoal and Jade was added as references on the side to explain what kind of texture / colors / feel he was going for. Not saying they are made of those materials.

Just like how the graphite iPhone color is not made of graphite, but the name is used to express what they were going for.

[rustic heron]

Damn, just imagine a jade iphone cover.

[late wasp]

this is so obvious by how Zhao will literally use images of real life objects as references here.

[half shadow]

honestly I think years of playing MMO might have just poisoned my brain tbh

[keen shore]

Me waking up to read 600+ messages posted while I’m asleep

[formal skiff]

i've done that lol. it's too much to read so i just have to skip to the bottom and hope no ground-breaking revelations were made while i was sleeping.

[late wasp]

even more so, it's explicitly called a version of charcoal. literally spelling out it is not charcoal.
a few weeks ago, i called this "version of charcoal" : jadecoal.

[rustic heron]

I don't play MMOs for this reason. It's inherently predatory, and there's only so much you can do to fix it.

If I wanted to play with people, I'd just play Mario Kart. That's fun, and I don't need to compete with anyone for resources.

[formal skiff]

ahhhh this concept art is SO gorgeous-
i wish we could have that kind of experience with the elder creatures in-game
imagine the awe of coming face-to-face with that huge and majestic being

[late wasp]

TLP had a darker version of that experience

[half shadow]

yeah, it’s def not for everybody. I’m a longtime, but not current, WoW player and I admit that prior experience gives me some bias when talking about mmo aspects of Sky. I guess I treat it a lot less harshly because compared to what I’m used to it’s really not “that bad” lol, but everything’s subjective

[formal skiff]

(forgive me, what's WoW?)

[half shadow]

world of warcraft!

[rustic heron]

World of Warcraft, made by a company I'd rather not name.

[half shadow]

yep!

[full saddle]

Id have a theory but i need to find a way to put it in words ;-;

[rustic heron]

I'm' surprised that it's still being developed.

[hushed steeple]

Blizzard lol

May microsoft cleanse your filthy hands

[rustic heron]

We don't use that word around here /j

[hushed steeple]

Not that I trust micro either.

But at least acti n blizzards ip’s might see light of day again

[half shadow]

It’s very long lived and likely ain’t gonna die anytime soon especially so due to the microsoft business deal. those are basically my same feelings Kamilico yeah. anyways I didn’t mean to bring it up, it’s just my MMO touchpoint

||im more into the role playing private server nowadays||

[formal skiff]

Oh lol that sounds SO not up my alley

[tulip aspen]

that's definitely true..

[rustic heron]

I really don’t have a soapbox to stand on here . I used to play on cracked Maplestory private servers.

[tulip aspen]

worst story aspect to me is forest

the original storybeat was that we were supposed to 'uncover the secrets of the ancient technology' and it really doesnt walk well

[half shadow]

it’s like the furthest thing from Sky LOL, to the point where whenever I see Sky called an MMO (which is it very much is) my brain kinda glitches and I’m like what no it isn’t

[sharp lichen]

I know, and that’s why I try to push people away from candle running. Not because I dislike Sky or TGC, but because prevents burnout and allows them to experience the other, truly beautiful parts of Dky

[rustic heron]

We should all play TF2: better story, fun gameplay, deepest lore.

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah that was exactly the point; charcoal represented textures and colors in the design process ye

this was also back when elders were much more physical and alive beings rather than deities, i dont think they have bodies, shell or organic, at all, because they come straight from the Light

[sharp lichen]

Sky is a Massive (millions of players) Multiplayer (you can interact with other players) Online (duh) Role-Playing Game (you play the role of a magical creature in a fantasy world). It’s an MMORPG!

[tulip aspen]

i feel like rpg has become more than just the acronym tho, and stands for a specific genre with principle ideas that make up the stereotypical rpg

[rustic heron]

Literally everything is an RPG. Even chess is an RPG.

[half shadow]

STOP STOP MY BRAINS ALREADY MELTING AAAAAA—-

LFR eden raid 10man global loot KNOW MECHANICS need big deeps

[sharp lichen]

As in role-playing games (RPGs), the player assumes the role of a character ✅ (often in a fantasy world or science-fiction world) ✅ and takes control over many of that character's actions. ✅ MMORPGs are distinguished from single-player or small multi-player online RPGs by the number of players able to interact together, ✅ and by the game's persistent world ✅ (usually hosted by the game's publisher), which continues to exist and evolve while the player is offline and away from the game. ✅

[rustic heron]

That’s actually a legitimate ask though. I’d be down for a 10-skykid party to raid Eden and deposit my winged light with veterans who know what they’re doing.

[sharp lichen]

Also winged lights is just an experience system

[half shadow]

oh yeah tbh that kinda rocks lol

[rustic heron]

Maybe WoW and Sky are the same after all…

Woah. That realisation kinda hit a little to hard.

[sharp lichen]

“Nearly all MMORPGs feature a character progression system, in which players earn experience points for their actions and use those points to reach character "levels", which makes them better at whatever they do.” ✅

[rustic heron]

I’m just waiting for the cosmetic overhaul that gives gameplay benefits when you wear them. +10 aerial agility, +20% winged light when worn with any Elder hair, etc.

[sharp lichen]

And if you want another source: https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-does-mmorpg-stand-for#5-characteristics-of-mmorpg-video-games ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅

[late wasp]

it already happened
the diving mask of the premium members have is two times better than the normal one
iirc normal one is 20% more breath and the premium one is 40%

[rustic heron]

OH NO. SKY IS P2W.

[late wasp]

placing pyres @ Eden and reaching the crystal

[half shadow]

P2W = play to wing

[rustic heron]

Sky is die to win as well.

[late wasp]

Krill Tax, aka P2W (Pay 2 Wings) to the border patrol Krill
this is my new theory
Krill society uses Winged Lights as currency

[rustic heron]

Wait, isn’t that Krill repellant? Oh snap, Sky actually is pay to win.

[half shadow]

nah i got those for free

and i’ve never used them.

[foggy lotus]

someone explain this spoon-looking thing at the forgotten ark

[hushed steeple]

Catapult

[half shadow]

for big cereal

i don’t see why our theories can’t coexist Kamilico

[frigid tinsel]

Spawned this delicious art: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[foggy lotus]

OH MY GOD YES

[formal skiff]

Wait rly?? I thought they were only visually different

[late wasp]

nope! i'm fairly sure the Adventure Pass one has twice the breath of the normal one. At least it was like that in Beta.
I will only get mine in the Live servers in a few weeks.

[formal skiff]

Dang. That’s annoying ngl. To give cosmetics to paying players earlier or exclusively when they don’t affect gameplay is one thing, but giving paying players a gameplay advantage is disappointing. I thought the whole point of the breathing system being unrelated to wl was to put players on more even ground.

[hushed steeple]

Its a catapult. But to these lore punks hearts is it giant spoon of fools.

[late wasp]

decided to search, apparently they give the same amount of breath
now i'm questioning reality and where I got the wrong info from LOL

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, the catapult in the wastes is also a giant spoon of fools. To the krill they go

Honestly the premium needs to give more breath because the free one looks better lol /jk

[compact shale]

Mandela? Ahdhdjsujrgdgsgsgsgs

But is it p2w if you buy the AP then use a frickton of money to get the mask early?

[sharp lichen]

How big of an advantage does the mask even bring?

[tranquil harbor]

You get like 15 seconds of extra breathing time. Seems low to me because the minute we already have scares me

[frigid tinsel]

their loss. impatient blokes wasting a heckton money to get 15 extra seconds of breath 50 days earlier than everyone else.

[keen shore]

Honestly, even the giant spoon thing being a catapult is odd. Did the ench spirits just carry a catapult with them for no reason, even when they didn’t suspect they would be shipwrecked? Did they build it after the crash to try and catapult themselves off the island? Who knows

[frigid tinsel]

maybe it's a leftover from the war that was abandoned where the Forgotten Ark happened to shipwreck.

[hushed steeple]

So far I don’t see anything deep enough to warrant needing more than 2min, when you get past your meter, you can just go home right before death.

[frigid tinsel]

skid actively drowning trying to meditate to go Home

[tulip aspen]

tbh im surprised non pass players got a diving mask at all so thats good

[frigid tinsel]

Pay $10 USD to breathe 15 seconds longer than your nonpaying peers.
Doesn’t seem worth it

[tulip aspen]

plenty of props give gameplay advantages tho, intentionally or unintentionally

torch from assembly is the best example, but it can get as nuanced as unique instruments earning you a lot of attention from other players which you can use to gain friends or ask for help for a task

[keen shore]

Torch Gang Rise Up

[tulip aspen]

pass in general is nice at least, trenchcoat, diving mask, and the upgraded emotes are all solid additions to my wardrobe

[frigid tinsel]

Yea tier 4 cackling emote is dope as hell

remember when i suggested that a cracked and speed-healing skykid would resemble a firebomb? looks a lot like that.

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, wherever the ark was going, it's possible dangers could be out there, so having a catapult in case of emergency is reasonable.

also yeah, using anything other than level 4 cackle just ain't worth it if you have it

[tulip aspen]

cackle and cease are both great communicators, i use cease lv 2 all the time when taking care of moths

[frigid tinsel]

Jam the moth herder

[tranquil harbor]

I was trying to summon Oreo recently (my first success!) and this dude with lots of nice things kept using the captain's emote whenever we got discouraged and used cry. It really works

[rustic heron]

I immediately start spam honking whenever someone uses “Cease” on me.

Same goes for the shush emote. If they keep doing it, I switch to crab call and then honk for maximum honkagr.

[frigid tinsel]

Once someone used shush on me while I was playing music in Home so I started spamming keys until they left

[rustic heron]

I’ve done that before. Then I start spamming keys as well.

[tulip aspen]

today i was with 2 of my moths showing them the ravine, then i noticed there was a moth doing grumpy in the distance, so i went to help

my 2-month moth and a random 1-mo moth started doing the spirit FOR the brown cape, and i used reject and cease and luckily they listened and waited for the baby moth to catch up

im really happy they let the moth actually try to do the spirit themself

then it was just 4 moths and i chilling at the top, and i thanked the older ones for being patient with the baby

[tulip aspen]

ive honestly never once used the shush emote practically tbh

[rustic heron]

I get shushed when I start spam honking. I got a controller off Amazon with a turbo button just for that purpose.

[tulip aspen]

if im chilling somewhere with folks and a random moth starts spamming at us i will spam reject lv 4 and then spam back with instruments and the crab call doubletap glitch

they get scared and in awe so they stop tg

[rustic heron]

Sometimes I’ll wait for people to open the 4 person Vault door, and then use the emote instead of the prompt to do telekinesis.

When they walk over and honk for me to do it right, I do… until they return to their spot, then I stop. This can go on for 10 minutes sometimes.

[tulip aspen]

you sound like a lovely person to be in a server with

[rustic heron]

I’ve chased people through the entirety of Forest spam honking, both flying and walking.

I only do it to veterans, though. Moths get the nice treatment.

[tulip aspen]

lol you'd never catch me my flying is impeccable

[rustic heron]

I’m better out of necessity. You have to be in order to reach the levels of annoying I aim for.

Also, I don’t need to do anything manually. I don’t light people in order to auto-follow them.

[tulip aspen]

im aware of how chasing works lapis, ive been doing this and getting away from moth children for 10+ months

[rustic heron]

Once I was in a random L4D2 match, and I team killed everyone and walked back to the spawn saferoom, where I stayed the entirety of the time.

[tranquil harbor]

This is the first game I've found where 'adopt new players and call them george' is an actual thing large portions of the player base does. Like, there are people who like to help newbies in any game and then there is sky's 'adopt all the moths!' culture

[rustic heron]

I teach moths to be as annoying as possible. Also spirit locations and wl locations.

[tulip aspen]

i dont adopt moths often, i will seldomly friend them to hold their hand if they need help (showing them the skip from floor 3 to floor 4 of vault)

dragging them to wl and spirits is also unhealthy for their journey, it takes away any aspect of exploration, but i do often let go of their hand and tell them to follow me and I'll slowly make my way to a nearby spirit or wl

[sharp lichen]

I raise my moths in a horribly disciplined setting: No CRs, no excessive buying, no buying cosmetics you won’t wear, and no dragging along moths on easy levels

[tranquil harbor]

It depends. I've had several situations where I was shown something that I never would have found on my own without a guide. Having that guide be another player rather than the unfeeling wiki makes it more special over all

[keen shore]

I wonder if you could weaponize this emote by using it like a budget glow spell

[tranquil harbor]

go somewhere dark and see

[rustic heron]

I take moths to my favourite oob spaces.

[keen shore]

I don’t stick around long enough to find out when someone is a moth - I either ignore other people or run away when they try to interact with me

[sharp lichen]

I have a strict guide of questions to ask a moth in a specific order

[foggy lotus]

i remember helping a moth friend through the realms and i remember in valley i let go of their hand in the race so that they can collect the light and i think they liked it a lot

[tranquil harbor]

I hold hands almost neurotically with friends because I got worried the server will separate us when we leave to a new room

[foggy lotus]

you guys have active friends?

[tranquil harbor]

I managed to drag a discord friend and now he can't escape lol

[rustic heron]

Yup. Myself.

[hushed steeple]

Goal is to turn them into discord friends so I can chat with them without logigng in sky and easier to share lore picture hbrbrbrbrbrbr lore picture

Maybe I should add motes but its just a lil part of cut stuff :/

[rustic heron]

0/10 Skybot has tainted the iceberg.

[foggy lotus]

someone explain the megabird to me in a short sentance im too lazy to read a whole paragraph

[rustic heron]

Big bright bird brings barrels of beings back home.

[hushed steeple]

When you get this deep it dont look so complex fam

[foggy lotus]

so basicly, that portal at the end of orbit?

[rustic heron]

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Cliff notes for Sky lore

[rustic heron]

Oh, I wanted to be clear that the iceberg is actually pretty good, just in case that wasn’t clear. Good job.

[white dagger]

question: the heck?

[static meteor]

where is this?

[white dagger]

lotus said forgotten ark, enchant area
it kinda looks like a catapult? but idk why an "ark" would need one

one of the military esque ships, like the one where is found, seems like it would have one for krill destroying

[late wasp]

wish i could have it

[static meteor]

maybe it is just a giant spoon

[white dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991
grr

[frigid tinsel]

Unfortunately it’s too blinding

On the topic of moths, on the right is one of my moths I got krilled on my disasterous third ever Eden attempt. I’ve adopted many moths but few make it this far. They grow up so fast

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the personification of the Sky light cycle, might be a hivemind, considered god

[formal skiff]

awww

[sharp lichen]

daleth x ayin canon when

Hello razzberry! Are you looking for an explanation for dark skykids?

[signal pilot]

hi ! yes it seems like an intriguing topic and id like to know more :3

[sharp lichen]

To be honest, I know very little about skykids that use the power of darkness. However, your skykid goes dark many times, including when you run out of light and in ||Eden||

[dry ivy]

So uh

I haven’t been here in a while...! Lots of new faces

[signal pilot]

so would it basically be a skykid feading off darkness as a cause of ||eden|| or potentially the wasteland ?

[sharp lichen]

That's how it is! The old pass on (me, chesca, flour, zippy, kitsuu, and others) and the new rise up to take their place (Lapis, Alasdair, Jam, Sophos, even you)

[dry ivy]

lol I guess I’m an old lore elder then

hmmm, did I ever meet you? Well, whether we’ve met before or not, nice to see you!

[frigid tinsel]

[hushed steeple]

I remember viridi ave.

[rustic heron]

Welcome back to lorechat. Nothing. Much has changed, much of us still pretending we know about the lore when in reality we’re scratching our heads in confusion.

[dry ivy]

Thanks! And lol yes, as it should be

[sharp lichen]

You wish! I have a tendency to call everyone here young, considering that I joined lorechat in August 2020

[dry ivy]

I’m currently scratching my head about the recent season’s quest 👀 👀👀

[hushed steeple]

Was there one today?

[dry ivy]

aw gee I don’t remember when I joined

I started Sky last year when the little prince season was around I forget when

[hushed steeple]

I joined midway through prophecy

[sharp lichen]

I joined in very early sanctuary, june 2020

[dry ivy]

Idk when it came out; I just started playing season of abyss today

[frigid tinsel]

a fellow Little Prince moth

[sharp lichen]

Ah, you experienced burnout and came back to the game? Happened to me in Dreams

[dry ivy]

YUSS 🦊

I love LP so I was so happy that when I joined they happened to have a LP season going on. fate ✨

[hushed steeple]

Most of the people in this fringe lore chat are not about anymore. Ches was one I think?

[dry ivy]

Yeah, maybe a little from working hard to unlock stuff in the LP season (caved and bought the cape for liek 30 bucks. ) but I tend to do that with games sometimes.

[frigid tinsel]

Chesca isn't only not aronud cos of bad cybersecurity

[dry ivy]

I feel a bit sad I’m not seeing some familiar faces. Like coming back after a civilization fell or something lol

[sharp lichen]

Chesca didn't get sponsored by nordvpn, Kitsuu went far away from Sky lore after getting banned from KP, flour and the others (as well as chesca's new account) went to a new server that absolutely hates me. Zippy is all alone, probably disconnected from Sky lore entirely.

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[dry ivy]

Tho I can’t say I remember who anymore I have a bad memory

[hushed steeple]

Yeah! Instead of hundreds of years, it takes like half a year for almost an entirely new lore batch

[hushed steeple]

Theres a new one? Of couse there is. Brbrbr.

[dry ivy]

(Mmm tho now I think about it uh

A certain Toby fox game kinda stole my attention a bit around that time too 🌚)

[sharp lichen]

i can dm you the details. It's run by kitsuu.

[hushed steeple]

Its ok for now. I think im running out of sky steam. Not that off shoots stay very sky focused.

[sharp lichen]

They banned me a minute after I joined!

[hushed steeple]

BAH. Yeah sounds like no matter what, drama is still daily! BAHAHAHA!

[dry ivy]

So

Idk if should spoiler it or not but uh

||about that GIANT FRIGGIN’ SEA MONSTER ||

[sharp lichen]

Jorm the worm! We all love it

[dry ivy]

Drama. Romance. Bloodshed. ✨

[hushed steeple]

Glad you where not around before that because we where oobing to it and peeps sharing photos....I drew it

[dry ivy]

THERES A TURTLE? I missed that

Wha what’s the sludge thing?? King crab!! Hugh?

[hushed steeple]

There WAS a turtle. It got cut in beta

[dry ivy]

And that’s a really nice drawing!

Lol his name is Jorm?!!

[sharp lichen]

Jorm! Short for jormungandr!

[hushed steeple]

I have heard like 3 names. I can add a forth. I like “Levi” for leviathan.

[dry ivy]

So my question is

WHY is that worm there. It was kept there in containment obviously, and there’s a mural showing people working into his tower with it at the very bottom. A power source??

Cuz I know old lore seems to intimate that the animals might’ve been used for energy or labor idk

Other manta were kept in force fields too

I know the place is some sort of mining thing/power stone refinery

[sharp lichen]

maybe it was contained there to prevent it from getting out? I think it could either have been a corruption of a whale, or a strange, unnatural form of corruption

[hushed steeple]

Could have been a canth they caught for battery. And it went corrupt. I say canth but canth is just one of the candidates

[rustic heron]

The prevailing theory is that they drained the light from light creatures to make@power diamonds.

Treasure reef has the ruins of a darkstone refinery beneath the water.

[dry ivy]

And it’s eyes are RED which is usually a bad sign. And it’s surrounded by krill. Is it related to krill? It looks almost like a corrupt Whorm creature we usually see as white and friendly looking

And we know krill used to look like something else before getting corrupted

[rustic heron]

They had to feed the bodies to something, and big boi was already there.

[harsh pecan]

I thought Zippy had friends?

[dry ivy]

Oh DRAINED

So they didn’t kill them outright. Some ppl on here used to say that maybe uh they uh...smushed animals into light bits

So they’re kept alive I guess but probably aren’t in a good state afterward :/

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[rustic heron]

Big boi’s gotta eat something.

[sharp lichen]

Oh yeah. By alone, I mean separated from all Sky friends

[dry ivy]

WHU—

[rustic heron]

There’s no pretext for it, but I love the reactions from people when I tell them@this.

[harsh pecan]

Oh, how’s the server?

[dry ivy]

crying

[sharp lichen]

KP? Gone. Reduced to Atoms. Flour, Chesca, and Kitsuu created a new server, but they banned me

[rustic heron]

Soylent diamonds is manta.

[sharp lichen]

they banned me because I suggested that the old KP was too cluttered!

[harsh pecan]

Wait that’s the new name?

@sharp lichen yes it is

[rustic heron]

No, I might have made a poor joke.

[sharp lichen]

You mean "it was"? It's gone now. The new server isn't about lore

[rustic heron]

I got rid of it just in case.

We should make a new lore server.

[harsh pecan]

Yeah

[hushed steeple]

I considered it. But they always, ALWAYS go off topic, or become ghost towns.

[dry ivy]

Ohh. I like both jorm or Levi. 👀

Man they did such a good job revealing it. I saw that huge shadow and those red eyes and I freaked out

[hushed steeple]

Hes nothing new in the videogame space. But very new for sky! Mmmmm PUT SOME SUBNAUTICA IN THERE MMMIX IT INTO A FROTHING BREW OF HORRIBLE EYEBALL LEVIATHAN

[dry ivy]

It did feel a bit like a different game there!! Got some flashbacks to Abzu too

[keen shore]

I’m late but the fact that there’s actual drama over this game’s lore is making me laugh. WHY???

[hushed steeple]

Yeah! Which is funny! As Abzu has journey easter eggs too!

[dry ivy]

Also: I took the power stone. And I can’t believe we didn’t even explain anything to the quest giver

Like uh

I might’ve done a big oopsie—

[lofty void]

HECK YESSS

[dry ivy]

IT DOES?? I love all TGC games but journey is my bae

I mean I think they had a mountain thing that looked a bit like the journey mountain? I haven’t played it in a while—-

[hushed steeple]

Right? But I think I saw it happen here earlier too! Peeps either take it too seriously, or it goes off topic and they take the off topic thing serious.

[foggy lotus]

rock crabs + floaters = ???

[dry ivy]

I keep hearing good things about subnautica. Need to play it

[hushed steeple]

Yeah! In the background where the ||iceberg with penguins on it||is, you can see the journey mountain hidden in the background of the other mountains. Theres Abzu eggs in pathless too. Giant squid and TGC both love their old children.

[dry ivy]

oh man I haven’t played pathless yet either

Love Easter eggs. Specially TGC ones

[keen shore]

I’m not in any Sky servers beyond this one although would love to join other peoples’ if they have them so every once in a while someone will be like, Yeah these two people you’ve never heard of before are threatening to throw hands over [minor aspect of game’s lore] and every time I read it it’s both confusing and hilarious

[fickle wing]

no thoughts just belonging concepts

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Even potential lore answers as ||the fith child of the eagle mother, is seen in a broken statue, as a great white shark, and theres an abzu room||

[dry ivy]

That’s so weird to me since from my time here I never saw any drama. I felt like Sky was too pure for people to throw hands over it

[fickle wing]

man ive been in like a handful of sky servers and they either crumble apart cause of folks being rancid or petty drama or just
general inactivity
there’s been one or two though w pals that r funky

[dry ivy]

Daw cute Sky people doing cute Sky things

[fickle wing]

sometimes the best experience you can have when it comes to media is finding a smaller close group of friends and vibing on your own away from trash fires

[keen shore]

THE SOUP!! THATS SO CUTE [also I love the one drawing of what I assume would eventually become pleaful parent chasing off crabs with a bat]

[dry ivy]

You mean like this

[fickle wing]

kinda funky how the mask style in those match up w the valley twin statues masks which iirc r based on another old concept

[keen shore]

WAIT WHERE IS THAT STATUE FROM?? Is it from LA because I have NEVER seen it before

[dry ivy]

is it crab soup or vegatables

[hushed steeple]

Theres a lot of games im starting to claim as journey likes. The kinda....mmm, walking sim, artsy explorer games. Journey, abzu, sky, aer, omno, solar ash, pathless, eqqo, rime, arise, fe, ect ect ect

[fickle wing]

it’s at the top of the building at the end of the valley citadel 👀

[dry ivy]

Yeah I can’t help but compare games like that to journey a bit. For me journey is the trope codifier

[slow portal]

is that one on the lower right supposed to be what became headpat
emo teen lmao

[fickle wing]

here’s the concept i mentioned btw

[hushed steeple]

Codifier? Dunno what that means but I assume the starter whom began the trend?

[dry ivy]

aghh—
They look kinda like mummies—

[keen shore]

I just realized it even looks like the statue includes one of their prosthetic arms too that’s super neat. Can’t remember which one off the top of my head has it on their right arm though

[mellow lintel]

Can someone help me find the last spirit in parire?

[tulip aspen]

pretending we know
i mean, if you want to speak for urself then ig u can but

[wooden crypt]

Shhhh that’s just my sleep deprived cousin /j

[dry ivy]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeCodifier

[hushed steeple]

I do not like the dark concept elders. They always look so...sweaty and uh....nakedy

[dry ivy]

you have some scary cousins

[hushed steeple]

Ah. Yeah, accurate. It sure is!

[wooden crypt]

They’re on the smaller side

[dry ivy]

PFFFT—-

That sounds uh

awkward out of context lol

[tulip aspen]

does levi really have that diamond shaped tail??
if so that could be very important for tying possible candidates to it

[keen shore]

There are some things I Think I know about the lore but I’m not 100% sure on anything - closest I will be is 99%. I like to be flexible with ideas and even entertain several at once as possible “truths” so I never get caught off guard by opposing evidence personally

So I would never say I know things, just that this is what I think is true

[fickle wing]

shoutout to valley it’s kinda funky

[dry ivy]

I did not stick around long enough to look at it ran away like a coward

[hushed steeple]

Yep! Though I think they get preeeety disfigured in corruption. Canths have pointed tail fins, but I could easily see someone say the small end resembles the whale tailfin too, hhhhh

[tulip aspen]

isnt or is

[keen shore]

OHHHH THE ONE THAT INCLIDES WASTELANDS KING STATUES

[dry ivy]

Yeah I like believing multiple ideas lol. It’s just fun to theorize. Maybe some differ but I love having endless lore

But I do like concrete answers at some point tho or else it feels a bit too endless lol

[fickle wing]

o hey wait is that tsadi

[tulip aspen]

oh mannnn completely forgot about kitsuu

damn, zippy isn't completely alone tho right...? at least they have tinsel and others?
damn...

[fickle wing]

nah trust me man zippy is far from alone

[dry ivy]

Wait what’s this—-???

why is it reminding me of dreamworks el dorado for some reason lol

[hushed steeple]

Maybe a dm group chat would do better than a big new server? Hhhh.

[tulip aspen]

pretty snake bebe

[frigid tinsel]

DM group chats have a 10 person limit

[dry ivy]

Who is Tsadi

[hushed steeple]

GW elder

[fickle wing]

fanon name 4 wasteland based on the concepts
funky fella ngl big fan of em

[dry ivy]

i-i don’t think it’s a baby. It’s way too big

[keen shore]

Everyone talking about outside sky servers make it sound like a massive war just happened in one, but I know absolutely none of the people involved even vaguely and have to pretend to understand

[hushed steeple]

It looks like the exact same pose as the one where he conquers the whale. Its prolly a statue to commemorate the victory

[frigid tinsel]

it feels like I entered the Sky community after things went down. i keep stumbling across posts and stuff about past events and people and I'm like "huh wuh"

[tulip aspen]

well kp had always hardly actually been about the lore anyways, moreso just this really weird community that formed surrounding this chat in general

and sub communities like that are prone to.. well, a lot

[mellow lintel]

Who wants to play sky rn?

[fickle wing]

my poor little meow meow

[hushed steeple]

Thats about right. The truth is, the deal is so big, you need a microscope to see it.

He went from horrible limb spider to stepper on of whales. Not a bad upgrade.

Another thing out of context would sound like madness

[tulip aspen]

yeah exactly what im saying is you and i and the rest dont actually claim what we're saying is 100% canon and in the lorebible lmao

it was just a weird comment imo

[keen shore]

Oh that’s understandable. Thought for a few minutes that there was massive drama over … idk, whether skykids breathe or not and just sat there like ??? Why

[frigid tinsel]

tbh the lore war i expected over skykids breathing did not happen afaik

[hushed steeple]

I like to joke about it though! Team breath rah rah rah!

[fickle wing]

nah iirc the drama w That one wasn’t rlly. Abt lore it was someone posting some rlly uh
discriminatory? memes in a hidden channel that got revealed and yeah.
not gonna talk abt it more here since it’s a mess but it’s a thing ig

[keen shore]

OH I TOTALLY MISINTERPRETED THAT. I thought you were saying “I don’t pretend to know, I actually do know” and got super confused because of how confident that would’ve been

[tulip aspen]

hmm yeah
definitely some good stuff to consider chatting more about later when chat isn't as convoluted as today

great work on the comp again

[dry ivy]

Dang—-

Idk if he’s fighting that whale or if it son their side

[hushed steeple]

A different one has him stabby the whale If I remember

[tulip aspen]

also okay good cos they dont deserve getting isolated or anything

[lofty void]

they give me Ena vibes

[dry ivy]

Well now we know with the fact skids can’t breath forever underwater

however they were able to stand under the valley ice pond forever without complaint before so idk

[fickle wing]

fighting for my LIFE to find the lightseeker concepts i have saved

[dry ivy]

ENA

[frigid tinsel]

i just want a server for us lore theorists where we can chill and meme and swear freely and organize hangouts and talk about our Sky experiences. can keep talking about lore here but elsewhere just to chill as friends

[dry ivy]

I like that idea minus the swearing

[frigid tinsel]

i like swearing so hell yea

[fickle wing]

the scrunklies

[lofty void]

good idea: swear censor emoji

[harsh pecan]

Thank you for this

[dry ivy]

[HYPERLINK BLOCKED]

[native shoal]

I have an idea about how skykids could grow

[keen shore]

I want this too, but am too shy to make it myself + have the fear that it’ll just get overtaken with drama or inactivity

[tulip aspen]

eh
honestly i think a lot of people here arent cut out for noncensored discussion, if anything it'll just give them more leeway to act like... the way they can/do

[fickle wing]

big fan of the •w• mask

[harsh pecan]

Same

[foggy lotus]

i just thought of forest elder

[rustic heron]

I didn’t know you were so jaded, Jam.

[harsh pecan]

Say it

[fickle wing]

_ _

[signal burrow]

Darth Vader on the right??

[dry ivy]

HEY WHU—

S-sad

Who is this

Buh

[lofty void]

nonononononOoNONONO—

[rustic heron]

Flagged for unwanted sadness.

[harsh pecan]

._. y e s

[signal burrow]

😭😭😭

[lofty void]

STOP IT MY HEART CANNOT TAKE ANGST RIGHT NOW.

[dry ivy]

Almost looks like he became a soldier after his buddy died

[native shoal]

This is off the current topic but what if skykids don’t grow unless it’s forced? Like they have to break away the hard clay shell (I’m using that theory) and consume a lot of light in order to grow, like a couple candle cakes

[foggy lotus]

theres the angst the lore chat has

[keen shore]

These are old lightseeker concepts right? Someone mentioned them a while ago — they’re super sad but I adore the lore implications they have, like… how are they connected to those lights we can find around the realms

[frigid tinsel]

the censor here drives me mad though. like some things don't make sense. some things I get but still shouldn't be worth deleting a whole message cos of one word.

if we wanna get antsy, we can have a restricted channel for that the 👀 since ik not everyone is cut out for it but i don't wanna get beaned cos mods think a pretty tame word isn't "family friendly"

[dry ivy]

So skids are sorta like caterpillars 🐛

[native shoal]

Yeah

[signal burrow]

Theory about the kind of stone the sky kids are made of. Obsidian? It’s dark colored and would make a clink noise.

[tulip aspen]

.... what does jaded mean

[lofty void]

Now I’m gonna go back to drawing one of my beloveds. seeyall

[fickle wing]

yknow how one of the themes w wasteland is loss do you think the spirits and elder r ok like. Id give em therapy man just saying

[harsh pecan]

Dang…

[rigid mural]

hi krii

[dry ivy]

I’d say clay but that’d mean skids would break like pottery all the time

[signal burrow]

@dry ivy obsidian is pretty tough if it isn’t too thin.

[harsh pecan]

So…if we aren’t growing then how much light do we need?

[narrow gazelle]

guys. i just created a whole theory abt sky's time period
yall notice how with each season, the cosmetics and theme seem to become more and more.. modern ?

[keen shore]

To be honest, I think all the spirits and elders need therapy. Like. BADLY. It would take extreme luck getting out of the Eden disaster without having some form of trauma.

We need a spirit that’s like… the Timid Therapist or something

[rustic heron]

To be jaded is to be overly cynical and un-optimistic about a certain outlook.

[rigid mural]

do you know what this represents by any chance ?

[signal burrow]

@keen shore all my elder beans need hugs

[dry ivy]

Well yeah war sucks so I imagine they have a lot of trauma to deal with

Which hey if you see the GW elder and skid represent a type of healing, it’s the support of friends that help you keep going

[frigid tinsel]

on the composition of skykids' physical bodies

[fickle wing]

dunking the entire cast of sky into the therapy bin

[dry ivy]

Yeah poor vault elder seems to need it a lot ☹️ really sad and tired vibes

[native shoal]

You don’t need any, you make enough light by default in order to keep yourself non-statued, you just need light if you want to grow

[rustic heron]

Less therapy and more a support group. Therapists I feel are hit-or-miss, but a support group of fellows can work wonders to build oneself back up after severe trauma.

[fickle wing]

my brain is too much of a peanut rn 2 recall if i did 😔

[foggy lotus]

<<These two go first

[keen shore]

Some spirits/elders need therapy. Others need a warm bowl of soup. Many of them need both

[narrow gazelle]

may i send basically a paragraph abt a theory i came up with ??-

[rustic heron]

You forgot the section on keratin-based shells.

[raw crypt]

everyone needs soup

[frigid tinsel]

ik i need to add meteroite

[native shoal]

Bro that soldier needs a bowl of warm soup, He looked injured

[fickle wing]

OH “FAINTING” WARRIOR DEFINITELY NEEDS IT YOU ARE RIGHT

[dry ivy]

Yeah I also started thinking about the scavengers. Did they live post fall or pre?

I still don’t know why our skids are helping them find power stones. But I’m assuming they did something like this when they were alive-alive yeah?

[native shoal]

When I first saw that cutscene I figured he just died, seeing as his statue to free was right there

[fickle wing]

love pioneer in the corner there just sitting

[rigid mural]

thinking abt the lightseekers i love them, they got the drip, i bet they are all huuuuuuuge nerds

[dry ivy]

And I’d think they’d be scavenging of power stones were becoming a rarity

[narrow gazelle]

nonono thats not what im talking abt

[fickle wing]

lightseekers(drip)

[rigid mural]

piggyback's memory haunts me, what happened to refusing voyager

[dry ivy]

Hey—is he collecting the same light skids collect?

[frigid tinsel]

where do yall find these concepts?

[keen shore]

Quick question, where is piggyback again? I can’t remember and want to see the voyager in that memory for myself

[rigid mural]

YEAH I WAS THINKING
LOOKS A LOT LIKE OUR CANDLE LIGHT
but in live game the lights they make us look for are way bigger, so ???

[narrow gazelle]

BASICALLY
i theorize that sky is actually in the future
and the spirits we relive are in the past
like the anubis guy for example
the anubis comes from egyptian gods n stuff
and season of dreams had also very inspired clothing from asian culture n whatnot
and now we have a british teaset from like the 1700's
what if sky is basically the future, in which humanity had a great restart
humans come back as sky children
and are reliving the memories of spirits from the past so they can learn to reform society in a safer manner
b o o m.
(btw this might be a really dumb theory, i just noticed a connection with how the season's cosmetics seem to be going forward in time periods--)

[fickle wing]

YEAH VOYAGER JUST
THOSE DARKNESS PLANTS MAN I DONT THINK THEYRE VIBING

[rigid mural]

little cave off to the left side when you enter isle, just go toward the coast & walk up until you find a hole

[dry ivy]

Idk. Light seems to be a big part of their world

But obviously there wasn’t enough out there to fuel their power stones so I guess they had to suck them out of the wildlife—-

[fickle wing]

the funny forest blender(juices mantas)

[rustic heron]

Yup. Sky kids occur after the Ancestors. Though, interesting point about the allusion to@ancient Egyptian symbology.

Anubis was a deity of death, and the Egyptian hounds represented the same as his servants.

[narrow gazelle]

and also i may be VERY wrong with my history and i apologise-

[rigid mural]

i like to think they got wounded during whatever ritual they were doing, i think abt that memory a lot bc voyager is also in the memory of stargazer so

[dry ivy]

Hey no need to do so! This is a safe space for theorizing whatever cool thing that pops into your head.

[tranquil harbor]

I hear 'light' and I think 'solar power' but from what I gather that wasn't how it worked so it's kind of confusing

[narrow gazelle]

OH MY GOD I'M RIGHT ?!
IS THIS REALY THE TRUE SKY LORE ????

[dry ivy]

Yeah I dunno aghhh

To me I see “light” as those light orbs. The stuff from candles and even animals that charge up our capes. Seem to be the spirits and our life force too so idk

[native shoal]

Wait skids naturally produce light and can power the stones by themselves, I don’t think the ancestors would do it but what would happen if they were both around at the same time? Skids are rather ancestor shaped so I don’t think they would willingly hurt them but…

[tranquil harbor]

Bro I thought the Valley Elders were married at first, the whole 'lore is vague' thing makes a lot of people feel wrong

[fickle wing]

grabbing and shaking the basegame spirits around we NEED some more info on those fellas id kill for something like ts hints but like
for basegame spirits maybe like a guessing thing every week or two tgc gives out fun facts n you gotta guess who the spirit is kinda like ts tuesday but w a basegame spirit and no real ingame effect

[rustic heron]

Yup. You hit the nail on the head. Good job!

[tulip aspen]

when I say censor I don't mean bad words, I mean behavior

tolerance

people would feel justified to be jerks to others when they see fit, when other people have different opinions, a lot of people have anger issues and would lash out pretty easily

this server is a great buffer for all of that, for folks who are usually too sensitive to politely talk to people different from them, and i can actually trust the mods here, for once, to professionally do their jobs unbiasedly and without face

mods in private servers are less likely to be courteous when they see fit and can possibly be corrupt and just as rude as the people they let be rude in their server

with the censor and stuff we kinda forget and dont appreciate just how professional this server is; ive never seen such a great community

[narrow gazelle]

oh i dont mean by sky lore LOL

[dry ivy]

But I have no idea about the flying light orbs. They seem to be special and allowed ancestors to do stuff with elements or something

Uh wait I think I remember theorize son how the King have each elder an element thing that allowed them to influence their realms in different ways but he kinda gave them the wrong ones (except for the prairie elder)

[narrow gazelle]

holy-- i need time to think..... THERE'S NO WAY WHAT I JUST THOUGHT OF IN MY HEAD LIKE 2 MINUTES AGO IS THE ACTUAL LORE BEHIND SKY

[tulip aspen]

well duh im an extremely cynical person lol

[fickle wing]

looks at how. The valley elders r confirmed siblings 🧍

[harsh pecan]

So growing is optional?

[tulip aspen]

its looking so good......

[narrow gazelle]

dude... we must have goofed up in humanity so bad in which they had this huge reset and started over from scratch as lil fire skrunklies

[harsh pecan]

Married?? 😭

[rustic heron]

Oh, not the part about humans though. The part about Skykids coming after ancestors after some apocalypse is true though.

[native shoal]

I think it would be, after all we never see a skykid closer to adult form

[tranquil harbor]

Are they though? I still haven't found flat confirmation beyond 'other fans believe it's heavily implied'

Also, I went thru blind my first playthrough and went 'yep, this is a married couple who squabbles all the time because they fell in love thru rivalry' My logic was sound!

[narrow gazelle]

oHHHHHH- YEAH THATS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABT JVBDHFJVB
I THOUGHT MY WHOLE HUMANITY THING WAS TRUE AND I WAS LIKE h u h

[dry ivy]

Oh dear. Good question. Depends on what time period it was, I suppose, as well as how we interpret how they behaved

We don’t know if they acted unethically but to me the game seems to have a message about lack of care for the environment sorta like journey does

But I’m not sure if they’d try to hurt someone that looked like their own. Maybe so since the might’ve had war at some point, as sown with the GW area but it is unclear if it was a civil war or fighting against monsters/corrupt krill?

[rustic heron]

My guy you’re barely in you 20’s. You’re not old enough to be cynical. That might be my Boomer brain talking though.

[keen shore]

I had a theory a while ago about the darkness plants basically growing on top of ancestors’ light and containing their souls, sometimes happening while they were alive and killing them. Might explain the lights in the concept art + why darkness plants give us light when we burn them.

Main basis for this theory is the little dark orb in spirits’ chests that looks very similar to the ones growing on darkness plants & the fact that the blue glow on darkness plants is the same color spirits glow. I assumed they were connected somehow and immediately went for the darkest route I can think of.
However, I am about to revise this theory into something even darker. Get ready.

[fickle wing]

straight up confirmed in the gnomon presentation around the 27:40 mark https://youtu.be/FwcNVlpymNk

[tranquil harbor]

thankies

[native shoal]

Wasteland elder looks kind

[narrow gazelle]

bro i cracked the code on the lore of this game abt light skrunklies
i need to drink some water and breathe-

[tulip aspen]

theres always the maybe isnt there

after all my outlooks are not a condition or a mood fam, it's a choice

nothing to pychoanalyze about it tbh

[rustic heron]

I love how elegant everyone else looks, and then there’s Prairie who’s just R O U N D.

[keen shore]

Quick revision to your idea - ancestors are not us in the future, they’re from a different planet/world entirely. A big reset did happen before the skykids arrived (wiped out every ancestor) so you’re right on that though

[narrow gazelle]

why would you do this to me

[fickle wing]

among us

[dry ivy]

I used to think the petrified spirits we help basically have their souls stuck and we are helping free their souls so they can go onto the afterlife

But then this recent season throws me for a loop because we see cutscenes of the skid helping out the spirits find power stones, even while their petrified forms haven’t been broken by us yet o_O

Edit: lol prettified

[narrow gazelle]

i am going to cry because of yall istg

[keen shore]

I want to post theory in the channel but it’s moving so fast and with so many conversations that I can’t keep track of them all

[native shoal]

My fav elder is the wasteland elder, for one they’re one of the few who don’t bug you for your light they just kinda get weak after making motions like they’re defending something and sits there, the skykid gives it to them freely

[tranquil harbor]

tbh my theory is that the spirits have the same death/rebirth cycle as the kids, but they can't move on as easily, necessitating the children to help them

[narrow gazelle]

why does it look so edible i want to eat it
its like a pringl

[tulip aspen]

yeah its really active rn, not my cup of tea

[dry ivy]

Looks more like strong sad to me

[rustic heron]

I was 20 too. It gets old pretty quick. But like you said, it’s your choice. Go nuts.

[dry ivy]

Don’t worry. Join the chaos. We’ll catch up, and if we don’t, say it again! We don’t mind!

[narrow gazelle]

man yall my mind is just... in a state of pure flabbergastment

[slender panther]

i am far from alone ^_^

[keen shore]

I love seeing simplified versions of the elders…. Dorito tsadi best ever

[rustic heron]

Speak of the devil…

[native shoal]

Is that the name pf the wasteland elder?

[rigid mural]

sprigtap

[tranquil harbor]

Still hoping the wasteland elder comes to fight the mega krill

[narrow gazelle]

feddy

[dry ivy]

Yeah but what about the season of abyss spirits they are anomalies

[half shadow]

wheres that one drawing from a mural of the isle elder its my favorite ever

[slender panther]

happy fun day

[tranquil harbor]

elders don't have canon names, but they have concept names

Also @dry ivy the spirits literally are still around living their lives, the same way sky kids are. They're just... spirity now

[narrow gazelle]

they just a lil ghostly.. a lil spooky, maybe a lil scary

[dry ivy]

I wonder where it went

The cutscene shows that door open, and now a krill is hunting in front of it, but it looked like it was closed again?

and that thing is huge so it can’t be missed—-

[half shadow]

i feel like some spirits are more present than others. the seasonal ones seem to be def up and about but others not so much

[tranquil harbor]

But yeah, essentially, a comparison is, the spirits aren't so much dead, as 'they mutated into a new species'

[narrow gazelle]

yis, they have now become more spoopy

[rustic heron]

Many of the seasonal spirits still have some lingering wish or regret, a king them more ghost-like.

[slender panther]

nah i still into sky lore but if u mean like disconnected from the lore community then yea but i just lurk with my tiny beady eyes now

[foggy lotus]

who is the other spirit in the blushing spirit's memory?

[native shoal]

My guess is that they straight up died and didn’t let that stop them in collecting the little gem things

[rustic heron]

That’s amazing that so many of the old loreheads are making their way back and chatting.

[frigid tinsel]

just cos you're dead doesn't mean you're done collecting treasure

[dry ivy]

Yeah I mean. Okay. The recent Abyss season. I talk to the quest giver, and we see a cutscene where we meet the scavenger spirits. They are alive it seems.

So what are those petrified statuses of them?? I used to think we were helping free some trapped spirits from being stone but now my theory is a bit broken now that I know that the abyss spirits are alive and well while their “petrified forms” are around

So I guess those things are just some sort of weird residual memory magic things or something or I dunno my head hurts

[rigid mural]

i feel like the old lore nerds are just burnt out, this chat can be a handful at times

[frigid tinsel]

try not to think too hard about it. prob a gameplay thing – the quests assume you already freed the spirits

[slender panther]

yeap

[tranquil harbor]

It depends on if you think it's simplified for gameplay or not. Maybe they turn into the stone when they're ready to go, but being freed requires a sky kid's help

[rustic heron]

Yeah, I can see that. I get burnt out from chat too, and I’ve been here all of about a month or so.

[dry ivy]

Ah okay. A story and gameplay segregation thing

[slender panther]

lots!

[frigid tinsel]

question we struggle with is what's true in-universe, what's a gameplay mechanic, and what's a technology limitation?

[tranquil harbor]

Your sky kid actively participates with the young skater in the dreams quest, which gives me the feel that you're not reliving her memories, you're actively taking part in them

[tulip aspen]

i mean in general it's more like im critical than cynical
wary.
ive been the supervisor, the bandleader, the dj, the organizer
nerdiest workhorse and partydog you'd meet in a while
ive grown and observed dozens of communities swell and thrive and crash

im just.. wary, at this point

[rustic heron]

It’s even worse because some concepts occupy multiple categories.

[frigid tinsel]

yea this chat is moving too fast for me. I'm feeling really off today

[dry ivy]

and this is why the lore chat exists

[rustic heron]

I try not to focus on it. What will be will be.

[harsh pecan]

Are you one of them?

Zippy’s friends

[slender panther]

one of what?

[rustic heron]

Of THEM.

[sharp lichen]

Yes! This could allow Lapis to reach his true form!

[tulip aspen]

and i dont ever want to stop caring about the people i care for, so i will always worry

[dry ivy]

Yeah! I thought so too

Maybe it’s the same with these, but our skid takes the place of some sort of nameless new team member they knew

Or it’s some sort of magic memory that somehow warps itself for us to fit in it if that makes sense

[foggy lotus]

you clearly havent found my tumblr

[slender panther]

no, thats me! im him

[harsh pecan]

Lapis can now say those jokes

[rustic heron]

I’m salivating a bit, not gonna lie.

[tranquil harbor]

The cusp of the theory is that the abyss quests aren't actually memories.

[dry ivy]

Also can I say how much I love that goofy little rival guy he’s such a little prideful try hard he’s so cute

[frigid tinsel]

Jam doesn't want it cos he think a smaller server w/ swearing will slippery slope down to hostility, neglecting the fact that I have a zero tolerance for jerks and would banhammer if need be. I've modded servers before. i got experience with this.

[tranquil harbor]

The fact that we got to show up Cannoneer is what made releashing the hell beast from the depths worth it.

[sharp lichen]

Let me just ask: have you all heard of Caelum's Lore Group?

[rustic heron]

I have not.

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[dry ivy]

Yeah! It felt like sports that descended from the heavens for unfinished business

Or uh stuck around for the same reason a la ghosts

[dry ivy]

LOL YES
I like to think the skid saw the warning signs that taking that big gem was a bad idea, but they felt way too tempted to show up the try hard guy lol

[frigid tinsel]

i wanna see Cannoneer shoot the leviathan

[native shoal]

Season of abyss feels like they’re there on unfinished business

[foggy lotus]

abyss guide hasnt given us any hugs or high fives

[tranquil harbor]

If I can't have the elder show up to beat it up, Cannoneer will do. But then she's gonna take all the credit and we're gonna get in trouble

[native shoal]

YES

[sharp lichen]

It was an interesting place. There were subtopics for places like Sky music, Sky science, Sky architecture, etc. But the most interesting part were the lore meetings: at a specified time, we would have a discussion, usually with a general topic related to it. For example, Caelum would call a meeting about Flight creatures at 3:00 CST or something, and then, at that time, we would talk about Flight creatures. It had quite a bit of activity, but ultimately failed because it didn't gain any new members.

[dry ivy]

I still find it both horrifying and hilarious the skid doesn’t even try to tell the team about the monster

WOW! What a big gem! Where’d you find it??

oh hehehe uh, just lying around haha 💦

[boreal nebula]

By seeing the topic I unwillingly sparked with my King-pink joke and how many wooly mantas were thrown there to stop it ...

..I somehow thought of them as rolling tumbleweeds in the desert 😅

[harsh pecan]

I think it didn’t gain any members cause no one mentioned it here, so no one asked about it and no one was invited

[tranquil harbor]

It really kind of hammers home that the sky kids are like, actual kids, rather than like teenagers. They're making dumb 8-year-old choices

[dry ivy]

I’m still feel weird when I see weapons in Sky

I mean sure the spears in wasteland feel appropriate

But a guy with a friggin’ harpoon—-

[dry ivy]

Oh that’s sad. It sounds like a lot of fun

[sharp lichen]

That's the most important part. No matter how active a server is in the present, if it doesn't gain new members, it will die. This channel is only active because there are new members coming to replace the old ones.

[foggy lotus]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[unreal relic]

I was actually wondering if there were spirits whose jobs were similar to fishermen, where they cast nets designed to gather light dropped by mosaic eel, or if they even had weapons that gave them a chance against krill

[frigid tinsel]

there's also 200k+ people, it can get overwhelming

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[tranquil harbor]

To be fair, they're still IN the wasteland. Having a weapon is on brand for their area. It'd be weird to see them in like, sanctuary island/the prairie

[dry ivy]

Yes! True! I kinda like to headcanon skids can be a bit older or younger depending on how long they’ve been around since they’ve been first born/reborn, but they are still all very youthful

Edit: well maybe not older. More like more mature. They seem kinda “ageless”

[tranquil harbor]

It's also possibly a cultural thing. They don't have parents to look after them (that we know of), so no one to teach them 'hey u need to tell people if you unleash a monster'

[dry ivy]

That’s a good point...you always need new blood to keep a convo going since at some point we get disinterested or move on

[dry ivy]

Oh! You’re right. Wasteland has a lot of weapons. I almost forgot the abyss realm takes place near wasteland lol

[frigid tinsel]

in my ficverse, the oldest skykid is 5 but more maturely 15 (tho a good dosage of trauma helped out with that). still childlike.
it's interesting how not human skykids are.

[tranquil harbor]

You'd think it'd be obvious that they behave in an inhumane way because they're not human, but then they do something weird or creepy and it's just like 'oh yeah' (it's great)

[dry ivy]

True!! And whether they can “speak” or not, or at least can share the same language as spirits...? We don’t know

Tho of course in game everyone doesn’t “speak” but gestures at stuff haha

[dry ivy]

Aww I could never see skids as being uncanny. If they act weird, they’d look more akin to curious toddlers fumbling around to me haha

[tranquil harbor]

We can't even speak to each other without forking up the candles. Which is probs a game play mechanic, but it also introduces the idea that the kids are offering their light because they need to get used to another's light signature

[frigid tinsel]

i mean nonhuman in composition, but their behavior is still very human

[boreal nebula]

Skykid: "What do you mean I m not human?"
Grabs the candle
Skykid: "look, I ve a a heart too"

[keen shore]

||Spoilering this because I don’t want the conversation about other servers to persist further since it’s not going to go anywhere, but if you wanted to actually make one, I would very much be on board for doing it. Posting here in a server with thousands of members really jumpstarts my anxiety sometimes, especially when getting new people… plus obviously issues with the censor

Also the server someone mentioned earlier with the scheduled meeting times sounds like that was a cool idea||

[sharp lichen]

the candle benches and tables lead me to believe that they have sort of a connection that allows them to communicate without actually speaking?

[dry ivy]

They’d be very confused by human beings lol

“Huh? You mean you CANT take your heart out?”

[tranquil harbor]

essentially, things like that are special technology that allow sky kids to get around the 'need to be used to your light signature to understand you' thing. Like a universal translator

The fact that a spirit in the vault gives you the first table actually supports this

[native shoal]

I think that’s a gameplay thing

[dry ivy]

Ooh. I kinda like this idea

[sharp lichen]

In Sky, we try to give everything a lore reason, even the most contrived stuff

[tranquil harbor]

I think it's a gameplay thing too, but it's interesting to think about otherwise

[dry ivy]

Aw thinking about it, it goes well with the theme of making bonds

When you connect with someone, you kinda learn who they are, learn what their “language” is 🙂

[native shoal]

I like this one, the tables and stuff bypass that barrier

[tulip aspen]

I'm scared a bit, not gonna lie.

[boreal nebula]

"Look, it's simple human! Honk and to butterfly call butterflies"

|| From humans pov
"Honk honkhonkhonk honk honk honk honk honk."
||

[tranquil harbor]

The various candles for things like high five, hug, double high five, could also be cultural. The sky kids want to get to know one another better, and so offering their light is like asking permission to go farther in their relationships (that's normally used in a romantic context, it's so weird to use it for platonic)

[tulip aspen]

nah not swearing, just people being jerks or people being very easy to set off

lack of self control

[dry ivy]

Oh too cute XD

Ohhh they’d be just like this little goose if they saw you. “Oh!! A new friend!!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JA-9AWVi_e4

Though heh, I think they’d be very curious about our noses and mouths

”Woah! That’s a weird mask you’re wearing, human!”

[tulip aspen]

we kiinda do that when salem, vela or i set off discussions

sure, it's not as organized, but we've learned so much in the last 4 months

came to so many conclusions and im so proud of everyone here

[dry ivy]

Awww!! Yes!! I love this so much!

And hey, it’s not weird—friendships work in the same way too. You have to build trust, and you both reach certain “milestones” where you open up to each other more and more. 🙂

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, but the wording of 'take our relationship farther' is something I don't see in that context. It was weird to say, but I also don't know how else to explain it

[tulip aspen]

indeed!

[sharp lichen]

Still, with lorechat becoming more active, it's common for more than 1 conversation to happen at once, which can cause confusion. This could be alleviated by having a conversation in a different server

[dry ivy]

And, yeah, I see what you mean haha

[foggy lotus]

"Let's be better friends" or "Lemme teach you this cool handshake I learned"

[dry ivy]

Everyone is of equal friendship status at a table 🤗

You know, sitting a table for a meal or something is a sign of being a family or what you know?

[tulip aspen]

very true, by carrying it over to that server in case of wanting to continue discussing it but it got trampled by new discussion!

id absolutely be down for that; a "let's pick up where we left off" chat/server

[sharp lichen]

There's so much interesting topics in Sky that can be explored to reveal new details that, if a new topic comes up, then the old topic is de-prioritized. For example, old stuff such as Sanctuary and Prophecy lore

[dry ivy]

Kinda cool too how a skid kneels to offer the next step in their friendship

Kneeling is a vulnerable position, and when you come to trust someone more, you let yourself be more vulnerable to them, in the sense you are able to show more of yourself

[tranquil harbor]

They're presenting a gift like the other is royalty or something and it's very cute. 'You are important'

[dry ivy]

and too, gently refusing such an offer is okay as well! A skid respects boundaries 😌

[rustic heron]

Moth: Kneel.
Other moth: Okay. Kneels and offers candle

[sharp lichen]

almost like getting knighted!

[dry ivy]

awwwh I know! It looks like they’re taking a pledge or something. Not saying for the romantic undertones, but more for the heartwarming factor—when I first saw it, I kinda thought it looks like they’re proposing too lol. But platonically of course

[dry ivy]

Yeah!

It just looks so adorably dramatic haha

Theatre skid

[rustic heron]

Imagine Elders offering proposal candles to each other.

[tranquil harbor]

It's just one of those things where 'they're culturally different from us' matters. They kneel like they're proposing and ask permission to farther the relationship into mundane things like high fives, but to humans, literally all of that would be heavily romantic. For them it's just them being kids

[dry ivy]

Exactly!! Romance is sweet, but I like how skids are just...pure really. Don’t have the same concerns we do in that sense

[rustic heron]

Innocent is the word you’re looking for, I think.

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible they're all too young for romance as well. The tallest a sky kid can get is like 3 feet right? It's possible, despite the whole 'handsome player' thing going on, none of them are past like, 10

[dry ivy]

Lol yeah. I think it’s more like when a kid sees a cool older kid. “Wowwwww I wanna be just like them when I grow up”

[tranquil harbor]

But also the spell to make your kid the tallest height is called 'adult' while chibi is 'baby' so I wonder if taller sky kids are teens

But since they used a potion to get that height in the first place our kid specifically might be 'cheating'. Like a major growth spurt or something

[dry ivy]

Yeah I could maybe see an older skid have an innocent crush maybe, but it’s all very puppy love, and at the most they just hold hands haha

[foggy lotus]

what abt when they shronk back down

[rustic heron]

Every time I see a chibi, I can’t help but want to see them getting dunked on.

[dry ivy]

Sorry. You said the magic word.

[tranquil harbor]

essentially the kids are using potions to make themselves look older or younger than their true ages. Like one big prank on everyone else. Unless the permanent size potion is still just a gameplay mechanic and the taller sky kids are teens until we change that

Pancake, that post is gonna get removed for the weapon

[dry ivy]

Oh dear! So sorry.

[rustic heron]

Don’t apologise. Never apologise for this.

[dry ivy]

Too late lol

But thank you

[tranquil harbor]

This server is very strict on their 'safe for babies' policy and I actually respect that

[rustic heron]

No weapons are allowed in chat.

The game is filled with spears and guns.

[dry ivy]

Yeah no I respect it too. I like how this place is a very wholesome space! So I’m sorry for inadvertently not contributing to it!

Edit: I meant this genuinely! It sounded kidna sarcastic agh

[tranquil harbor]

I was about to say 'there are no guns???' but Cannoneers harpoon gun I guess. I wouldn't be surprised if those specific weapons were fine tbh

It's fine Pancake, I didn't even care I just wanted to warn u

[foggy lotus]

why does everyone think that forest elder is a furry i just need context

[tranquil harbor]

First I've heard of that

[dry ivy]

Uhhhh 👀

I think reference to their early look in concept art???

[keen shore]

Finally, chat has slowed down enough so I can continue posting my theory

[rustic heron]

Forest Elder Elder concepts a#have them looking like a cat.

Best theory to be honest.

[sharp lichen]

See? The server's quite needed

[rustic heron]

WAIT. WE CAN BRING BACK THAT THEORY.

[sharp lichen]

DM ME IT

[tranquil harbor]

the blessing theory again?

[sharp lichen]

knowing lapis, it's not gonna be the blessing theory

[dry ivy]

What, it’s a cursed theory—-

badum tss

[foggy lotus]

what is the theory??

[tranquil harbor]

Lapis, please DM them the blessing theory for the lulz

[dry ivy]

It’s sounds very controversial if it has to be DMd lol

[foggy lotus]

k then dm it

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think you youngins would understand it

[dry ivy]

[foggy lotus]

i have newgrounds and reddit

[dry ivy]

I’m in college

[sharp lichen]

It’s not related to college or newgrounds

[rustic heron]

Damn I remember Newgrounds when I was in middle school. Those were the days. Oh, and miniclip and Kongregate.

[sharp lichen]

Sorry, but coolmathgames was and is the best.

[rustic heron]

Fight me. You won’t.

[keen shore]

So to understand this, I just want you to think of the areas darkness plants are most common. Wasteland is almost definitely the realm most filled with them, followed closely by forest. Prairie is probably third place. Darkness plants are in most of the realms, but in the three not mentioned here, they’re just not as common. So… why is this important?

There was a massive war in wasteland with many casualties. Forest’s rain pollutes everything it touches, and drinking the water there without figuring out to clean it would make someone sick at the very least - not to mention the refinery located there and the bones piled around. Hidden Forest is also a place with lots of death. Prairie is a bit harder, although that’s fine because there’s a massive gap in darkness plant amounts between prairie and forest… but it also can’t have been a very hospitable place post disaster. The clouds in the village area make it impossible to go beneath what could either be the tips of mountains or floating islands, none of these isolated islands have independent food or water sources, and whatever bridges might have connected them have long since collapsed. Prairie would have been fine to live in pre disaster and looks innocent on the surface, but be trapped on one of those islands with no flight ability, and you’re basically dead.

Not to mention that in forest, we see darkness plants right next to where a lot of spirits definitely died [tearful miner spirit memory]

Also… remember that ball spirits have, located vaguely in the middle of their chest, that you have to light to relive them? Remember how I mentioned darkness plants glow the same color from inside as spirits do? And you know how, even in places where tons of ancestors almost certainly died, you can never find their skeletons?

Hear me out here… what if the darkness plants are their remains?

[tranquil harbor]

CoolMathGames Supremecy

[sharp lichen]

I would if this server had an #offtopic section. Well, thus new server would, so

[foggy lotus]

oh the amount of~~ chaos~~ fun

[sharp lichen]

This theory seems narratively coherent, grounded and reality, and disturbing fun! I like it

[tranquil harbor]

Salem's theory was worth the wait

[rustic heron]

How delightfully morbid.

[dry ivy]

Oh no———-

Very morbid but I like it as well

[undone harbor]

Ayo lore chat seems alive today nice

[keen shore]

(#lore-discussion-spoilers message) combine this theory with Fish’s post here, which I reference a lot, about how the more complex a creature is, the more solid remains it leaves behind after death, and we get a second and similar possibility - the darkness plants are what the non-solid remains turn into. This explains why darkness plants are sprouting all over the massive skeleton in forest.

[dry ivy]

We speak of the dead atm

[undone harbor]

Delightful

[formal skiff]

I absolutely love this

adding to the morbid nature is that we essentially collect their corpses and use them as money

[dry ivy]

Augh no wait I don’t like where this is going—-

[foggy lotus]

i would make a dark joke but this server is family friendly

[undone harbor]

I absolutely love where this is going

[rustic heron]

So long as it doesn’t reference drugs or weapons, you should be okay.

[dry ivy]

I like the idea we ARE helping the ecosystem though with getting rid of fake plants. They seem to be keeping remains from fully entering the some sort of ecosystem cycle or whatever

[tranquil harbor]

I'm here to ruin it, you're not using their corpses as money, you're grave robbing the money they had on them when they died

[keen shore]

By burning the darkness plants, we release what little is left of the spirits’ light contained within. The darkness corrupted and ate away most of their identity, meaning their light can no longer form into the coherent souls we can interact and trade with, but burning away the parasite feasting on their soul means they no longer have to suffer and their light can go back into the world to help replenish it.

[formal skiff]

Wait how did you manage to make that wholesome??? Bro-

[dry ivy]

What is this, assassins creed—-

[rustic heron]

This tracks really well with blessing theory in that Skykids can gift flight to spirits, and wax can fly.

[keen shore]

This implication gets even darker, because it implies that tearful lightminer will never see their friends again, even centuries later after death, since their identities and memories and personality all got eaten away by the plants that ate them

[tranquil harbor]

Skykid's creed now

[dry ivy]

Hey but wait they can’t enter the afterlife (or Eden idk)? ☹️

[formal skiff]

Ok nvm I hate you again /j

[foggy lotus]

anyone wanna see a blursed image of neko-forest elder

[keen shore]

It didn’t stay wholesome for long!

[tranquil harbor]

furry forest mom, gimme

[dry ivy]

I like to think it’s is more like...not their spirits but leftover energy maybe

[keen shore]

Can we stay on topic for right now, please?

[foggy lotus]

alr

[tranquil harbor]

DM meeee iiiiit

[keen shore]

Since all the stuff that makes a spirit/ancestor unique and distinguishable from ordinary light got eaten away, all that’s left is basically energy, so you’re not wrong

[dry ivy]

True that

But idk I feel really sad to think that their souls didn’t make it to the afterlife and they just...faced oblivion. That’s horrifying dawg

[keen shore]

It totally is horrifying, and that’s why I love it >:3c

[late wasp]

today I learned that dining in hollow trees is the americanest thing there is (https://youtu.be/XeK6pCwLTUI)

[dry ivy]

Well I mean it depends on how you interpret the spirit afterlife idk
As a Christian I tend to se wit as a sort of Heaven but it could be reincarnation more likely, with the theme of rebirth and all

[undone harbor]

The king pushing his people to a bad ending and getting even a worse ending

[dry ivy]

Hehe. Have a taste for existential horror, eh? 😛

[sharp lichen]

Who here doesn’t?

[dry ivy]

WOAH COOL I DIDNT KNOW THIS
This sounds LIT

It’s so...mythical sounding ahhhhh

[keen shore]

I want to find a more wholesome way to explain darkness plants, why they grow on spirits (they are shown to do this to one spirit we do not get to save in lightminer’s memory), why they’re so common around death, and why they give you wax… but I haven’t been able to think of one that explains all their points.

Also, it’s worth mentioning that my theory implies that both massive wasteland plants are the sites of mass soldier graves… fun

[dry ivy]

I think a long time ago in lore chat there was a lot of talk about the roles of dark plants and the ecosystem idk

[sharp lichen]

Not everything in Sky needs to be wholesome, it’s okay to have dark/horrifying theories

[undone harbor]

Wholesome and dark plants does not go in the same sentence

[dry ivy]

Yeah I do like some juicy dark lore. I just like it balanced with good stuff. Like Kirby. Cuteness and some horror. Mm hmm.

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the plants are made up of despair? Like, our light symbolizes things like connection, why don't the plants feed on the lingering despair and hopelessness of the spirits?

[dry ivy]

Oooooh 👀 I like this

Initially with the spirits and they way they clutched their chests I kinda thought them freezing up had to do with like some sort of spiritual-magic-BSOD-overwhelmed-by-despair-deal.

[undone harbor]

But then it wouldn’t make sense why it grows on prairie bells

[sharp lichen]

Then it would be a self-feeding system, with the ancestors having feelings of hopelessness when the dark plant grows on them causing a cycle

[dry ivy]

Uhhh. Hmm. The bells seem to emit energy? Or some sort of light? Or maybe the material they are made up of has something to do with it

[sharp lichen]

Like Salem said, the small Prairie islands had no bridges and very little food and water. It’s likely they slowly starved to death being stranded on the islands

[late wasp]

technically are just called "darkness" in the game, so I wonder if that's what they are... condensed darkness or darkness given life. but lets think about it.

they are destroyed by heat, giving away absorbed light. which is a weird mechanic, because while they are totally fine in holding fire, fire from the outside can "destroy" it. (it actually shrinks).

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible they tried to activate the bells to get the elder to help them maybe? But they (the elder or the people) couldn't?

[foggy lotus]

either they werent used or something else

[dry ivy]

Lore chat also had a field day with discussing whether darkness is not a bad force but part of the natural ecosystem but got warped by the ancestors messing with it when they shouldn’t have

[keen shore]

Another addition: there are two reasons for why eden might not have a ton of darkness plants that still coincide with my theory.

The first is that the remains of every spirit just got blasted apart so badly by the storm/disaster that there was no chance of the plants ever forming. Their hosts got destroyed before they could, and all the light that they would have fed on was lost to the darkness of the storm and faded away… forever. The spirits trapped by this have no way out of the torment they’ve found themselves in until the storm calms completely.

The second, much nicer version is that not a ton of people lived in Eden. I commonly see others referencing it as a city, but not much ingame evidence supports that claim - to be fair, we can’t explore the mountain very well, but there’s very few buildings, roads, and just city things in general. Since Eden is the place where you go to get reborn, maybe no one wanted to live near there since it reminded them of their own mortality. [although… to be morbid… it would be a really good place to have a hospital]

[rustic heron]

OH. So going off @late wasp , what if instead of bodies, darkness gathers in places of great sadness or anger, like a gathering of negative emotions?

[undone harbor]

They have floating boats

[late wasp]

that's what I was thinking. but the "darkness" capturing a manta is really off. maybe it's a disease?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, that’s for Salem to deal with

[tranquil harbor]

the boats were powered by the crystals tho, and the flight spirits lost their boat and we had to go get it. Even with mantas, things can go wrong

[undone harbor]

What if the rocks in eden flies off to other realms? Would that be a reasonable way for dark plants to grow?

[late wasp]

darkness spores / sickness.

[foggy lotus]

they were also pulled by mantas - meaning that they were kind of ancient

[rustic heron]

Especially in the rain, a manta may find it hard to fly, and so feelings of despair may overcome it, causing darkness plants to form.

Or maybe darkness plants cause negative emotions too, and like you said they form spore pods to pass on seeds of negative emotion.

[keen shore]

This was one of my original thoughts, but I think of it as unlikely for a few reasons

1] Since everyone is dead, it would probably be wiped out by now, or clustered tightly around the spirits we can save. It’s just scattered seemingly randomly instead
2] I’m not really sure how that would work? Maybe in the same vein as vault / purple light since it manifests things into reality, but there’s very few (if any) darkness plants in vault. It didn’t make as much sense as my observation about the spheres in spirits’ chests and the spheres on the darkness plants possibly looking similar

[rustic heron]

This is why they grow near graves and battlefields; they are prime feeding grounds for negative emotion.

[keen shore]

Most of the floating boats you can see on the islands are either broken or not completely built. Plus, to use them you’d still need a way to charge the Darkstone, which they may have been able to do by meditating, but considering the post disaster conditions, maybe not

[keen shore]

My only issues with this is that we never actually see any “darkness spores”, plus many clusters of darkness plants are isolated from each other, making it odd to see how spores could’ve drifted up there

[undone harbor]

Sanctuary having one of the largest dark plants numbers: im in danger

[late wasp]

the weird mechanic i'm trying to think is how it can simultaneously contain fire, but be destroyed by fire.
it's not destroyed by light, because it is present in some sunlit places like the end and start of the forest, or even the sunlight forest.
neither it is destroyed by soft warmth, shown by how it doesn't shrink when a group of skids are simply nearby. it has to be burned.

capturing "fire" can be as easy as capturing creatures, like the manta in forest or zhao's concept art.

[rustic heron]

One thing to note about Vault is it’s reverence of the dead, making death a solemn and respected concept, one where it is accepted as a part of life. Darkness would not thrive there as the scholars use meditative practices to accept death.

[tranquil harbor]

If the sky kid's light is connection, then of course standing nearby or an animal wouldn't destroy the plant. the kid has to actively try to connect to the plant (or not the plant but -vague hand wave-)

[rustic heron]

We do see that, in prophecy, the gathering of the 4 elements is linked to energy and form. Fire may be a part of this, and even more because the same wax, when under water, is blue.

Wax is the primal essence of form in Sky, and can be any of the 4 elements.

[keen shore]

It still doesn’t go fully with your emotions idea (although it is super cool) because vault still has TONS of negative emotions to deal with. You can’t open it except from the outside, which, after wastelands destruction, probably trapped everyone inside forever to starve to death. Even before that, no one could leave it without some kind of permission from the outside world. You have to deal with death on a daily basis, which can get pretty exhausting pretty quickly. Plus, the vault elder has been trapped/asleep on top for ages despite being dead [they’re pretty awake when their cutscene starts, meaning they might have been conscious the entire time] and likely has some negative emotions about that

[tranquil harbor]

Is it ever confirmed the elders are actually dead?

[late wasp]

disheartening being attacked by the bot lol

I was going to point out how I noticed the metal jars likely hold mantas' "essence".
while the stone jars hold butterflies.

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure it was [has been mentioned as confirmed earlier] but don’t know where

One final thing I will mention is how little spirits we can save vs how many ancestors must have existed before the disaster, combined with the sheer amount of darkness plants we see. Not only is slowly getting eaten away by these parasites and never getting to see your friends again a possibility, but it’s also the most likely option to happen to your soul after death

This theory just keeps getting more horrifying the more you think about it. I love it

[lilac urchin]

I’d like to think the elders exist on another plane, not quite living and not quite dead. Perhaps just like spirit guides, but forgotten since nobody really visits them anymore it seems until we come along.

[harsh pecan]

They’re not dead but not alive either

[foggy lotus]

i cant prosess that info help-

[signal burrow]

I like to think we’re looking into the past and interacting with it when we talk to the spirits. Like a residual haunting.

[keen shore]

Do you mean that you need me to explain it better or that it’s too sad to think about?

[foggy lotus]

maybe simplify it a bit

[lilac urchin]

Not me suddenly realizing how dark sky kind of is
We interact with residual hauntings and try to burn the darkness that’s consuming the land, we go to Eden, ||sacrifice ourselves||, and then repeat

[keen shore]

What I was trying to say was:

There are very little spirits we can actually save, but just by looking around the environment, you can tell that pre disaster sky kingdom was filled with people. There’s no way only 3 people lived in isle, for instance.
Plus, there’s a lot of darkness plants in comparison to the spirits, especially in forest and wasteland.

These two bits of information together imply that after you die, it’s much more likely that you will get slowly eaten and corrupted by a darkness plant instead of sticking around and being saved by a skykid later on

[rustic heron]

So, I'm going to talk a bit about religion, so bear with me here if you can. If not, feel free to let me know; I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.

So, in Buddhism (and not in Buddhism as well) meditation is a practice that aims for one goal: to control the mind and to remove attachment. In Buddhism, attachment and desire cause unwholesome mental states. When one's environment, mind, and body don't align to one's expectations, we feel angry or upset, and that attachment to the desire for being happy and having our desires fulfilled causes suffering because the world is ever-changing, and it is expected that our environment, body, or even our own minds do not align with our expectations and desires.

As a result, we use meditation as a tool to focus our mind and suppress these desires and unwholesome mental states. We don't want to feel anger and sadness, or to desire too much to be happy and clinging. To suppress those emotions allows our minds to be clear (in Buddhism, though it is a secular practice), and when our minds are clear we can be free to feel peace.

Meditation is the practice to remove unwholesome mental states, and Vault focuses strongly on that practice. It would make sense, then, that Darkness cannot exist there because, even though there are sad things that happen, the scholars there have practiced diligently to control their minds and remove unwholesome mental states so that they can be mindful of the world and feel peace.

[foggy lotus]

i get it now thx

[harsh pecan]

Oooo that makes a lot of sense

[rustic heron]

Meditation is a fantastic practice. I would recommend anyone to try it.

[foggy lotus]

i get a headache when i meditate-

[rustic heron]

It also requires practice. Proper meditation technique, and time, can have observable effects on one's mental and physical health, reducing stress and making one more capable of tackling stressful situations in a mindful way.

[keen shore]

I can totally see this being true - my argument partially was, though, that the Eden disaster [but mostly being trapped and unable to ascend] caused so much pain that the scholars had never experienced before that maybe they wouldn’t have to deal with? + new arrivals not knowing how to meditate well yet

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but what if the ones in the vault intentionally didn't move on, to help us later

[lilac urchin]

Very interesting take! I never realized there tends to be more darkness where there is more unhappiness in realms. For example there’s a lot of emotes like shivering and crying in the forest, as well as death and fear in golden wasteland. Those areas have lots of darkness. But in the vault there’s none, just lots of peace and as such, not really any darkness hardly.

[rustic heron]

Also a valid point. Thank you for pointing that out.

[keen shore]

I doubt they had much of a choice in the matter, but maybe a few of them tried to think on the bright side that them not moving on would help out eventually?

[rustic heron]

LIKE THE MONKS IN BREATH OF THE WILD. Damn, what a reference. Nice one!

[tranquil harbor]

The vault is the one place where 'oh hey we can kind of predict something is gonna happen, let's wait around to help'

Those monks are a legit practice irl. It stands to reason that in a game with magic like sky, it could do -vague hand wave- that stuff

[keen shore]

My theory also implies that, since the darkness plants around forgotten ark are most common in the small cave system near it, maybe the enchantment spirits used that area as a makeshift grave where they put their friends’ bodies in as they died one after the other due to lack of resources

[tranquil harbor]

My brain has hit a wall and I can't word what I'm trying to say right

[foggy lotus]

what about the big darkness plants?

[keen shore]

I mentioned those in the second paragraph here! #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[foggy lotus]

sanctuary cave

DANGIT I KRILLED CHAT AGAIN

[keen shore]

It’s been 2 minutes, don’t get too worried

I’m not too sure about sanctuary cave, maybe it was used for the same purpose after the disaster?

[frigid tinsel]

I've always thought that "darkness spores" were those flakes of darkness seen shedding off krill, sticking to crabs, bits of black on darkness plants that pop off as you melt them, sometimes seen floating around in the clouds. if they land somewhere with a light source, they can start consuming the light and growing or messing with the being's mind.

[tulip aspen]

does lapis have another contrarian theory with "actual evidence" yet again

[frigid tinsel]

btw i'm in the Vault OOB with all the Elders, anyone need pics of something?

[tulip aspen]

that- just shows how young you are

[tulip aspen]

so does that

@frigid tinsel hmmm
chibi size reference beside each?

[tranquil harbor]

Nah, more like they built onto what Alasdair was already saying

[frigid tinsel]

i'm not a chibi

[tranquil harbor]

Wait it might have been Salem.

[frigid tinsel]

tbh it was really a spur of moment opportunity thing

[tulip aspen]

if you dont have chibi spells or anything you can qr me im rich and can bring dozens of props and spells

[keen shore]

It was just this [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] which is a valid speculation given in game evidence. Also I’m not sure I’d call their theories contrarian and evidence-less - although I would prefer for things like the blessing theory to have more evidence before I actually believe it, they’re well thought out and do have evidence behind most of them

[tulip aspen]

i was just joking based on some glorious dingers of old

[frigid tinsel]

i do have 12 chibi spells

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message this was the original post we were discussing, and yes, it was me - am beginning to wonder if I have a mild curse placed on me that makes it slightly harder for everyone else to remember my contributions to lorechat

Also, sorry Jam, tone is really hard to tell over text <3

[tulip aspen]

that wouldn't explain happy memories we've seen- or maybe it would, maybe it's the spirit missing those times and being somber, so ig that could be possible

[tranquil harbor]

to be fair, I'm new, and all three of you have similarly colored icons. I said Alasdair because they were the most recent person to show up and my wires got crossed

[keen shore]

I’m not trying to get after you for it or anything, and totally understand - I mix up people easily too - just joking around

[tranquil harbor]

I know, just wanted to make sure you're not sad

[frigid tinsel]

i believe that darkness can drive living things mad (see: rabid crabs) but i'm not on the side of darkness growing off emotion. do think that is an interesting theory and Salem really got something going here.

[tulip aspen]

ive seen fanart of darkness trees growing from buried corpses, it looks so beautiful and so eerie

[tranquil harbor]

I'm on team 'hopeful' so I'm kind of dead in the water when theories get especially dark. Sometimes I get an idea for devil's advocate I guess but still

[frigid tinsel]

not to interrupt but what do yall want me to do

[tranquil harbor]

can you get on wasteland elder's shoulder?

[keen shore]

Give them all hugs

[frigid tinsel]

your iCloud storage is almost full
ah hell nah

[tulip aspen]

i actually [want to] subscribe to the theory that where every single darkness plant is, a light plant once was

[tranquil harbor]

Let us hug the elders TGC, you cowards -shakes fist-

I mean, we have those cute little mushrooms on the forest trees, and the grave/boneyard in wasteland has darkness plants as stepping stones up something in a way that is similar to those mushrooms...

[keen shore]

This would make the most sense for Forest (because of those bouncy light things you can float on) but I’m not sure if it extends to wasteland, hmm… it would line up with what happens to light creatures, though. If animals could get corrupted, why not plants???

Unless… all the light “plants” are actually colonies of tiny light creatures, like coral

[tulip aspen]

oye salem i had this awesome convo with fish, ennarcia, and a few others about the flesh vs light topic for light creatures specifically, and came up with some new ideas i really wanna share with you

maybe tomorrow as it's been a loong day and there's still topics going on rn but yee

[tranquil harbor]

Most dark plants are tiny and look like mushrooms, which would grow well in wasteland with it's cloud cover

[keen shore]

SHARE NOW [if you want ofc] I actually had a contribution to your light dragon -> krill theory so maybe we can trade?

[half shadow]

manta hot dogs mm mm

[tranquil harbor]

I remember going 'so they taste like water' vividly

[keen shore]

WHEN will we be allowed to turn the eel in treasure reef into a giant grilled hot dog

[tranquil harbor]

Anxious Angler plz, we're hungry

[half shadow]

i still think they’re meaty boys. not meat though. like, they have some kind of hide

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, slight problem: the Elders' models are stood slightly above me

[keen shore]

I think that even if they are meaty, it’s impossible to eat them since roasting them over a fire would just make them stronger

[tranquil harbor]

we'll just have to do slight math

[tulip aspen]

omg......

i
SALEM
I THINK YOU JUST FIGURED OUT JELLIES

WHAT IF THEYRE LIGHT SIPHONOPHORES

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, if a creature is dead it's dead (except for special sky kid rebirth), it should be fine to put it over flame if you kill it first.

There are also foods you can eat raw. Beef tartar is a thing, and you can use stuff like limes to cure raw shrimp to eat that safely. you don't have to cook meat.

[keen shore]

OOOH that would be so neat. Maybe the little flecks in them are the wax globs that make them up, and the clear bits are the fragile membrane their combined strength holds together

Would this extend to as well?

[undone harbor]

Raw manta is crunchy 10/10 would eat

[half shadow]

Actually that’s very similar to this concept art about spirit mantas, look at the very right 👀

[keen shore]

Imagining the bouncy light fungi as the beginning in the jellyfishes’ life stage, and that’s the part of the colony that forms the top “dome” later on

[tranquil harbor]

So they're like eggs/tadpoles

[unreal relic]

Looking at spirit mantas now, they do look like comb jellies

These things, their whole deal is the colors they flash

They make the ocean's twilight zone look like a rave party, ya'll should see clips where swarms of them gather in the dark

[frigid tinsel]

standing on Tsadi/Wasteland Elder's shoulder for the bloke who asked for it.

[tranquil harbor]

I love you, marry me

[keen shore]

You’re only twice the size of their head, that’s adorable

[unreal relic]

Awwwww

[tulip aspen]

yee id love to trade

so the idea is that fish and i were going over the skin texture of light creatures in the cinematic trailer, hoping to get a better understanding via visuals of what their skin might be like

i expected mantas to be waaaay more detailed texture wise, but to fish and i's surprise, they weren't!!!!
flat, smooth and blubbery, like a seal's hide
it visually looks extremely faithful to how they look in game

(a more controversial detail we discussed was it's wings, which have 'feathers'. fish put forward a feather argument and i put forward and argument they were more like flaps, little cut outs in the wing that catch the wind)

from there we've concluded the skin is either

1. blubbery texture or
2. membranes

WHICH IS LINING UP PERFECTLY WITH OUR JELLY AND SIPHONOPHORE CONCEPTS AAAAAAAAAA

[tranquil harbor]

Their wings actually look kind of feathery, so I wonder if they do have some extremely fine plumage going on

[tulip aspen]

the bloke says thank you

[sharp lichen]

What’s a siohonope

[keen shore]

OOOH membrane! I might add that to the short manta drawing series I did yesterday, although I’m not sure yet how I’d execute it.

My trade idea comes from me thinking about the part in your doc implying the light dragons’ horns were clipped, and I realized - krill horns are SUPER impractical. Maybe the horns grow continuously like beaver teeth and were trimmed down for the safety/convenience of the animal & it’s handlers - krill would only have them since their decreased interaction with ancestors would mean their horns wouldn’t get trimmed

It might be a bit of a stretch, but an explanation

[tranquil harbor]

a creature made of many creatures (I think)

[unreal relic]

Siphonophores are these transparent bois

[tulip aspen]

a super-organism, where dozens and sometimes hundreds of different small organisms work together to function exactly like a single organism

[tranquil harbor]

Okay but: the valley elders are siphonophores

[frigid tinsel]

valley elder(s) angst ficllkdsnfdsm

[unreal relic]

Yeah they're basically superorganisms made of a lot of individual organisms that work like anime five-man-bands operating a mecha

Except multiply that by like a thousand or so

[rustic heron]

They're interesting because it's a look into how the beginnings of multi-cellular life began to develop. Colonies of symbioltic complex unicellular creatures would fill certain niche roles to work toward common survival, eventually become so specialized that they would be unable to survive on their own.

Thus multicellular life began to take shape.

[tulip aspen]

thats a good idea!

if im being completely honest, the horn clippings are basically kami's headcanon i love subscribing to; we have no proof on the finished version of the creature having horns, only the concept mammalian version, as my doc says

[keen shore]

~~I know you’re joking, but just going to casually repost one of my favorite theories I’ve come up with

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message~~

If jellyfish + light fungi + cosmic mantas ARE siphonophores, it would further drive in the concept of Light being connected to hiveminds

[tranquil harbor]

and yet despite this, the various cosmetics the sky kids put on bring the idea of individuality to the table

[sharp lichen]

Oh god this is a lot of big theories in one night

[tranquil harbor]

Like, there is something there beyond 'cosmetics because players like cosmetics' but my brain is dead for some reason. Actually explaining it is hard today

[unreal relic]

Trueee that would make a load of sense, the elder manta spirits in the Vault did remind me of-- actually the spirit mantas in the Vault in general reminded me of comb jellies and the multicellular superorganisms you meander upon either in the twilight zone or in a nighttime swim in the ocean

It wouldn't be too farfetched to say that the bigger creatures are light conglomerates part of a hivemind, and it would probably also explain dark creatures like krill and the leviathan

[frigid tinsel]

did someone say hivemind?

[rustic heron]

So, I think there's some confusion between the notion of an overall consciousness vs a hivemind. A Hivemind is a singular organism that is composed of many complex bodies that works toward a singular goal. In general, each body lacks any sense of self.

The former is a notion that the entirety of life exists as a singular organism experiencing a myriad of individual thoughts and actions, that the culmination of all those independent beings is itself the very workings of an overall whole operating toward no specific end, but is so interwoven with itself that it can be seen as a whole.

[tranquil harbor]

I think that second paragraph shot me dead. I can't understand it at all.

[rustic heron]

Put simply, we all are Megabird, collectively. The Megabird is a complex consciousness that is composed of all our thoughts, memories, and individual actions.

[unreal relic]

Ah, so the difference between Hallownest under the Radiance's rule and the Pale King's rule in Hollow Knight

I take it back it's Stranger in a Strange Land all over again--

[keen shore]

Skykids are a bit… weird. The game becomes a lot easier and more open when you have friends to play it with; from simple things like helping you open doors to recharging light in dark places, it seems sometimes that skykids were designed to work together by default. But we can never come together in the same way a light conglomerate such as a coelacanth would likely be able to.

However, there is a common theory that we are split up fragments of the king, as evidenced by our crown shaped friendship constellation resembling their symbol. So… what if skykids are somehow barred from becoming powerful conglomerates in order to hold them back from their true power, memories, and personality - a personality that directly led to the downfall of the sky kingdom?

[tranquil harbor]

-nods hesitantly- It's probably not you, my head just decided to go 'head empty' for the last hour or two and I have yet to heal

[rustic heron]

I get it. Sometimes you're just head empty, no thoughts. This is some pretty heady stuff, and it can be overwhelming at times.

[keen shore]

THANK YOU!! I knew there was a better word but for the life of me could not remember it no matter how hard I attempted to. My concepts for how light conglomerates would work is that they’d think differently from each other, but not clashing outright, because otherwise the organism wouldn’t be able to function

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, I've heard the king theory. However, does our child really not hold that knowledge? Did the king necessarily get broken up as a punishment, or on purpose by their own choice? Why would our kids get back together if it was done on purpose? Only briefly joining forces when one piece is not enough

[keen shore]

It’s hard to say. One of the things I put in my original post was that the consciousness of krills were forced apart by the corruption, although they still had to share the same body, resulting in them chasing light to return to their former United self*, being relatively easy to hide from in a way more intelligent organisms would not, and performing constant repetitive circles around wasteland.

• sounds a lot like the plot of GW in general, huh

So if the king was heavily corrupted by darkness, maybe them shattering into us was not on purpose and is a direct result of that

[tulip aspen]

hmm yeah

cos siphonophores arent hiveminds

id still prefer mantas and all other respective light creatures being more like organisms with a single membrane/body, with jellies being the siphonophores

cosmic mantas are in vault so i dont care for em /j

[keen shore]

To specify: elder creatures would have one singular body, but would have many minds/souls making them up

[frigid tinsel]

i make the distinction between a collectivist hivemind and a conformist hivemind.

a conformist hivemind is what most people think when they hear hivemind – an entity that subsumes other minds into itself to form a singular consciousness. all beings within the conformist entity lose their individuality for the singular consciousness to completely and utterly control them.

a collectivist hivemind is one where every being within the entity is connected to each other. they retain their individuality. the entity is composed of many consciousnesses that are aware and communicate with each other. this sort of hivemind can, theoretically, maintain a singular thread of consciousness that is the sum of all its consciousnesses, but the individuals within it can still be aware of themselves as individuals

[tranquil harbor]

Alternative to the last bit: The King shattered on purpose to stop the corruption of himself. Darkness can't grab all the pieces, if that makes sense

[keen shore]

The collectivist hivemind is exactly what I was going for with this theory, ty for explaining it so well!

[frigid tinsel]

i'm still in the Vault OOB is anyone has requests

[keen shore]

Do you by any chance have the assembly torch

[frigid tinsel]

I'm a Little Prince moth

[keen shore]

Man, I was going to ask you to take height measurements :( I don’t have any then
I thought you didn’t but couldn’t remember if that TS had come

[frigid tinsel]

i took pics as chibi as best I could but it's awkward since their models are slightly above me and the camera dislikes me

[tranquil harbor]

if we can calculate the chibi height we should be able to subtract the slightly above you space

[tulip aspen]

pictures for further reference, as well as continuing the discussion trade with @keen shore:

as i was flying around with these boyos i was thinking more about the horn topic.
so yes, with kami and i's concept/headcanon that they have horns, ofc it's still possible they do because they may be wearing a helmet in that pic and if they aren't the horns would be made of the same rocky texture as their face-shell

i do like the idea they could have little nubblies that either would grow naturally or grow exessively after being corrupted

in general I'd be okay with the idea of them only gaining horns after being corrupted tho, which is why the concept of them having horns based primarily off that concept art is only partially supported by me

to me that concept just moreso shows us that whatever they place as the wagon creature: they are trying to showcase it as being krilllike

that goes for both the mammalian concept AND the canon wagon creature

[tulip aspen]

yee same
its what my original doc for megabird was based off; primarily off alasdair (collectivist theory) and vela's (creatures=lifeblood) takes fused with my take

[keen shore]

Upsides to mantas have a thin outer membrane and are made mostly of light: makes sense, is neat, follows along lines of jellyfish being similar, bas evidence
Cons: renders concept of wooly mantas almost impossible

[tulip aspen]

in game, at least (someone pls PLS get hi def pics of the cinematic mantas lmao) the 'feathers' are definitely just flaps, similar to moth capes

[nimble ingot]

You never question the existance of a wooly manta.
If one cannot prove they dont exist, one cannot deny that they do.

[tulip aspen]

salem we're making so much progress on my anti-bio research im so happyandhavenolife

[tulip aspen]

even if my clayshell theory for ancestors ends up being feasible, it still doesnt explain ash saying yeti actually grows fur, so there's hope for wooly bois yet (?)

[keen shore]

Wooly mantas are REAL and I have PHOTOS [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

do not question this evidence.

[rustic heron]

I'm about to do something heinous.

Wooly mantas can't exist as the floofy wool would hinder their flying, and would be impractical for swimming.

Now, cloudy mantas on the other hand...

[nimble ingot]

Clouds are fluffy and light, like wooly manta.
You cannot deny the soft fluff.

[keen shore]

Counterpoint: mantas naturally had soft short seal like fur, but were selectively bred for longer fur and a more wooly texture by ancestors

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, wasn't wonder woman made out of clay? It's magic clay, it can grow hair

[tulip aspen]

so remember, the "light creatures are made of light bodies" campaign ive been pulling is actually only so i can prove ancestors wouldnt eat and bite into them, and would instead absorb the light from them

this mad wild goose chase is why lapis lowkey hates my theories

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of ancestors being light vampires

[rustic heron]

It's not lowkey. I openly reject most of what you say.

[nimble ingot]

Sounds like a theory made in Undertale, where if Sans can open his mouth, or would he just magically absorb things with his teeth

[tulip aspen]

it wouldnt be vampires, it'd be more like absorbing the light like skykids intake wax

[rustic heron]

Sounds like vampires with extra steps.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah but is our wax absorption method just gameplay. Lots of games have things fly at you in that manner

[tulip aspen]

yikes, please dont remind me of my amino days
||also nice pfp||

[unreal relic]

The point of this channel is to connect the game mechanics to lore so it's fiiiinnnnneeee

[frigid tinsel]

what's true in-universe, what's a gameplay mechanic, and what's a technical limitation?

[tranquil harbor]

yeah, like, we know everyone has fingers, but we sure don't in game

[rustic heron]

A technical limitation is the lack of Journey cosmetics in-game.

[tulip aspen]

hmm true, but i mean the trope moreso of having things be absorbed into you, as if the light is escaping towards the nearest safe vessel

(botw shrine orbs, wisps from pokemon arceus (all i can remember dont judge me))

[tranquil harbor]

those red crystals in eden suck the light out of you by proximity so there is that

[nimble ingot]

Spirits are known to eat and drink.
One fine example would be the tea set.
Even though a skykid does not have a mouth, they can sip and finish a cup of tea.

While a skykid does not need to eat and drink, they can if they want to.
Whether they benefit from it is debatable (I am too scared to give a chibi sugar to test).

All in all, I propose that ancestors and skykids do have mouths. The reason why the game does not show them is a stylistic choice (similar to the mitten hand and toe shoes matter).

[keen shore]

Crackpot idea. We are also mini collectivist hiveminds, with the WL being absorbed our component parts

[tranquil harbor]

Ironically, while I accept that our characters have fingers, I rather like the idea that they don't actually have toes

[keen shore]

No toes = less traction for Lapis

[tulip aspen]

its technically true!
they even protect us in order to keep the vessel alive for the rest of the wl!
(when we get hit)

[tranquil harbor]

Didn't somebody from dev come in here and say they thought the kids actually just spilled tea on themselves for the lulz?

[rustic heron]

Each of your neurons has a sense of self, and collectively form a hivemind that is your consciousness. A small group is plotting against you. TIL.

[dry ivy]

Osmosis

[tranquil harbor]

sky kids: -throws cup of tea in their face- I am acting exactly like an ancestor right now, playing pretend is fun!

[keen shore]

It would be a fun game sometime to make people guess if a certain phrase is something that a dev actually said here once or not

[nimble ingot]

They probably had to be taught how to drink lol.
Imagine that.

[frigid tinsel]

they are children. children tend to copy each other and older people

[rustic heron]

I POST THAT SAME GIF REGULARLY WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SKY KIDS EATING.

[tranquil harbor]

Considering granny at the forest gives us wax/light thru food, there are clearly spirits willing to teach/care for our kids

Assuming that entire event isn't just reliving a memory where granny fed her real grandkids

[dry ivy]

I think of it every time the topic comes up lol

[sharp lichen]

In Sky lore, everything connects to the lore in some way! Nothing is purely gameplay

[dry ivy]

Wait there’s food? I’ve slept since then—-when does a granny give us food

[keen shore]

Don’t take this post as 100% true btw for others reading this - it’s speculation

[dry ivy]

I feel like I’ve forgotten everything sigh

[tranquil harbor]

There is a place in the forest where it doesn't rain, and there is a chat table. Sometimes a granny spirit is there and she gives us balls of bread/mochi. It has wax in it

[rustic heron]

Absolutely correct: it's 110% true, and you must take it with that extra 10% at all times, or the lore demons will give you sleep paralysis.

[dry ivy]

whhhhaaaatt oh my gosh that sounds so cute why haven’t I seen it

[tranquil harbor]

I've only seen it once, I think she's on a time clock like the polluted geyser

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
That event is a hybrid of lore and game mechanics.

The devs know we would most likely prefer to toast our meals than just sit there and eat them like a normal kid.

It sould be cute if the devs would consider adding an animation where we can pick up the cakes, even carry them around and eat them

[dry ivy]

I want to meet the magical forest granny so bad now

[unreal relic]

I mean, should I bring up how Zarla deals with Sans's skull and food situation?

||He uses magic to eat so he doesn't have to open his mouth to eat stuff||

[nimble ingot]

Whenever she rings the dinner bell.

[dry ivy]

But where is she in the forest——

[tranquil harbor]

When does she ring the dinner bell though

@dry ivy it's that place in the beginning you need all 8 spirits to get to.

[dry ivy]

If there was a cake cosmetic item my skid could eat I’d die a happy woman

[tranquil harbor]

I know there is a cake spell that was made for the anniversary of the game (I think it was the anniversary)

[dry ivy]

Wait

Is this related to the forest treehouse quests

[nimble ingot]

She serves her meals, starting 30 minutes after reset, then every 2 hours thereafter.
Essentially 15 minutes after geyser ends.

[dry ivy]

Oh yeah! I remember that, but it just sits on a table and looks pretty. I don’t think the skid eats it

[tranquil harbor]

You get wax if you pop them, I think the kids are eating them and it's just a technical limitation. Unless I'm remembering my time with granny horrifically wrong

[pearl shore]

hello

[dry ivy]

I’ll try looking up to get a better idea where she is because I have a bad sense of direction, but thank you for letting me know! I never knew this. It is so cute!!

Headcanon: the granny is a spirit who stuck around because she wanted to make sure any kid would get a good meal. That’s her lingering desire.

[nimble ingot]

It is the Ancestor table you go to for the daily quest

[keen shore]

I doubt they’re real/edible bits of food, just because if they are it would imply they have a massive supply of whatever ingredients they use, plus they easily pop into wax bits

[tranquil harbor]

A big stone table that seats 6 in a tree hollow

Why would granny feed us inedible food tho? She'd have to have a massive supply of whatever she's feeding us even if it's not food

[dry ivy]

OHH

The table in the tree where the season of belonging spirits went to

Didn’t know she returns ever 2 hrs! Neat

[nimble ingot]

Welp, since that the Granny topic came up. I am now hungry for some cloud bread.

[tranquil harbor]

'Come get y'all's wax! That I have painstakingly made to look like food for no reason'

[dry ivy]

Wax mochi? Bread made of light? Lembas bread???

[tranquil harbor]

I know a dev mentioned 'sweets made of light' and mochi once, but that's debatable stuff

[nimble ingot]

Mooncake, cake pops, rice balls (oniigiri), dumplings.
The possibilities are endless :)

[dry ivy]

Hehe. Wax food.

[frigid tinsel]

so here's me chibi beside the Elders in the Vault OOB for your height/size comparison measurements needs

[dry ivy]

Okay, it is canon she makes all of those lol. She just makes them look the same for a joke

Maybe she likes making it a surprise—-a skid will never know what it will be until they bite into it

[tranquil harbor]

I really think it might be food made from light and our wax collection method is just gameplay design. Your kid isn't actually collecting wax, they're collecting bits of light but our currency is denoted by candles so it gets called wax

[dry ivy]

awww so cuuute. Little Soft Golden Childe

[rustic heron]

Theory: Sky kids eat through their chest hole. That's why all the wax centers on your chest when you collect it.

[keen shore]

They’re not “feeding” us anything - it’s like… a manifestation of wax. It’s not really comparable to food, you absorb it by turning it back into its original food.
[plus this event concerning the food itself is speculatively canon and could bend the rules a little]. You have to admit, it makes a bit more sense than burning bread and it just magically turns into wax…

Also, would appreciate it if you were a bit more respectful with opposing theories, in response to your post directly after this one. Tones over text are really hard and you probably didn’t mean it, it just came off as a bit mocking. Ty <3

[dry ivy]

So food made of light?

Mm. Wonder how’d that’s taste...!

[rustic heron]

Just open up your mouth on a sunny day while looking in the direction of the sun. That's how it'd taste.

[nimble ingot]

Her eyes were not like they used to.
She wanted to give skykids a variety of meals and have enough to go around.
But ends up mixing up her food batches. Now skykids have to figure out what they are eating with every meal and even trade balls for their favorites.

one moment it is rice, the next it is cake.

[tranquil harbor]

Oh I apologize, I wasn't mocking at all. It was a joke, but like, not in a mocking way

[dry ivy]

D’aw I love this a lot

[tranquil harbor]

I feel like it seems I have more stake in this wax food theory then I do, at the end of the day I really don't care if they eat

[dry ivy]

Mmm

Now I want some onigiri...

[nimble ingot]

What they were asking was an innocent thought.

While it is fun to entertain the idea.
The game does not explain to us if the balls are food, wax that was bleached white or manta meat balls for all we know.

I dont think they were trying to be disrespectful there.

[dry ivy]

Oh, yeah, idc either, I just like talking about fantasy food lol. Idk. I like food

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[lucid spade]

are krills corrupted creatures or do they originate straight from the storm?

[tranquil harbor]

corrupted

[keen shore]

I know, I mentioned that I didn’t think they were in the original post - I was just trying to be sure, sorry about that

[lucid spade]

so they were once other beings?

[tranquil harbor]

yes, but we don't know what

[lucid spade]

very interesting

[nimble ingot]

They are corrupted by darkness.
The dark dragons used to be light creatures once.

[lucid spade]

is there any concept art for how they would look as creatures of light?

[rustic heron]

See the switch trailer.

[nimble ingot]

No worries. 👍

[tranquil harbor]

the problem is that we don't know exactly what creature they are. It could be something we've never even seen before

[lucid spade]

this is so interesting

[tranquil harbor]

Somebody has a document on it, where y'all at?

[nimble ingot]

My candles are they may have been similar to the cosmic elder manta.
All of theose fins becoming legs would be unsettling.

Either that, or perhaps a larger version of the marbled eel.

[lucid spade]

alr

so in the beginning theres a creature that the sky people are using to ride around with a carriage on its back, is that possibly what a krill once was?

[tranquil harbor]

It's one possibility. We have confirmation krill are corrupted light creatures, but which one is not confirmed

[nimble ingot]

That or guardians. If the dragon name meant something along those lines.

[lucid spade]

well they seem structurally similar so im assuming that could be it

[tranquil harbor]

That's why lore chat is here buddy

For us to run in circles and then get absolutely no where because 'the lore is up to interpretation' (It's fun tho)

[half shadow]

The switch trailer manta creature does seem to be considerably smaller than the average krill though

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the void known as lore chat.

[tranquil harbor]

Even if it's smaller than the krill, corruption could have made it grow

[lucid spade]

it could also just be something like how mantas are too, where they vary in size

[hushed steeple]

Could be the switch creatures. Didnt backread enough to see if someone else already said that :/

[tranquil harbor]

We're specifically talking about those switch creatures being krill right now

[hushed steeple]

O cool. Heres pictures.

[tranquil harbor]

Is that concept of the switch trailer?

[tulip aspen]

the spotlight boi is pretty possible tbh

[tranquil harbor]

Jam do you have access to that doc? I was looking for you

[tulip aspen]

oh sure i think i can get it from the owner yee

here it is: Major Krill theories
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tranquil harbor]

@lucid spade This thing is neato

[unreal relic]

This is an off-topic convo here, but here's something that's been bugging me for a bit:

What's with all the pipes in the Golden Wasteland and the Eye of Eden? What was their purpose? What materials did they pump through them and why?

[tranquil harbor]

Might have been sewage, but given the rest of the game, I'm willing to bet it was the 'junk' from their light harvesting, which polluted the waters and stuff

[unreal relic]

That is a good theory, maybe that's where the polluted water comes from?

But then again, if there's a place that "sewage" is being funneled to, there should be a place that "sewage" is coming from. Where could that be? The peak of Eden?

[tranquil harbor]

the golden wasteland leads to the vault as well. If they are sewage pipes, I doubt more sewage is coming, since the ancestors are... whatever they are

[unreal relic]

Yeah, that is true

Perhaps the Vault had a part of it that was a refinery for this sewage? Maybe the Vault used to try to collect as much residue light as they could from the sewage, which resulted in the light-leeching, creature-corrupting properties of the polluted water?

[keen shore]

They might be a version of aqueducts, carrying clean water from the peak of Eden [pre disaster ofc]

[tranquil harbor]

I was not actually counting the sewage and the light junk as the same thing

[unreal relic]

If I'm getting this right, the sewage is a byproduct of the light junk, right?

[tranquil harbor]

No, but this misunderstanding makes for more interesting theories anyway so let's roll with it!

[night pecan]

is there a canonical name for unlit/grey skids?

bc the emotes show that they're called "Shadows"

[unreal relic]

If the devs haven't confirmed it, then I suppose the emotes are close enough to it being confirmed canon

[tranquil harbor]

which emotes?

[unreal relic]

I think it's the "do you wanna learn more" section in the emotes menu

[night pecan]

no it's these

[unreal relic]

Ohhhh

I guess so? You might have to dig around a bit to see if one of the devs was like "oh yah the unlit skids are called shadows", but if there's no comment like that, it's safe to assume that they're canonically called shadows

[tranquil harbor]

It's not safe to assume that, we don't know who is in charge of emote names

[unreal relic]

Ahhh fair

Hol on lemme check something in the game for a hot second

[tulip aspen]

......have crab eyes always turned red while charging us....?

do all crabs do this or just abyss ones????
(they did mention in the patch notes abyss ones are evil maybe they were referencing this feature)

i havent done dailies anyway so ill go check it out

[tranquil harbor]

The abyss ones are found in certain places of the wasteland too, they've always done red things (unless they didn't before days of love)

[tulip aspen]

in the concepts they were called the "indifferent", so back then they DEFINITELY were planned to be canon

however, we can't know for sure if they're still canon today, or of that name is, either
(i like to think it's all canon)

[tulip aspen]

....maybe I've just been that blind for 14 months.........(?)

can another vet please confirm im not insane

[tranquil harbor]

How'd you get 14 months? Is that when crabs showed up?

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure the crab eyes have always been red when they attack you!

I do kind of wonder the canon reason why strangers appear gray before you light them [if there is one and it’s not just to help with game animations]. Lighting others up to communicate and chat with them makes a lot of sense, but why this?

[rustic heron]

Not just their eyes. Their entire body turns red.

[night pecan]

[tulip aspen]

im from prophecy, that's my skykids age

[tulip aspen]

WHAT
WHA
BRU
AM I THAT BLIND

[rustic heron]

Does anyone know what determines what spirits show up on your path to Orbit?
Seems like its always the same spirits, and none are from the recent seasons.

[keen shore]

Don’t feel bad about being a borderline blind player. You know the exit from the shipwreck into Battlefield? yeah, I only discovered that in the past month and I’ve been playing slightly longer than you

[tranquil harbor]

Don't be hard on yourself, who really pays attention to crabs before we flip them and carry them around like really annoyed pets?

[rustic heron]

...Me.

[keen shore]

From what I can tell it’s the ones who you have given ascended candles, which is why none are from recent seasons (haven’t been TS)

[tulip aspen]

hmm very true, is it all the ones you've ascended, or all the one's you've relived the memory of?

[tranquil harbor]

I saw the peeking postman and I have certainly not ascended him

[rustic heron]

I see one of the Assembly kids on the path to Orbit, and no one from Assembly has come back as a TS.