lore-discussion-spoilers

[rustic heron]

YESSSS. Got my first one @tulip aspen .

[compact shale]

What

[lyric isle]

big spell theory

[compact shale]

No i mean why on earth did Lapis ping Jam

[frigid tinsel]

Bragging about their converts

[compact shale]

C o n v e r t s

[tulip aspen]

cos im basically the first one to have humored it

[compact shale]

Hello awakened jam preserves

[tulip aspen]

what

also new beta content my beloved

[sharp lichen]

oh snap

[frigid tinsel]

hiss 🖐️

[sharp lichen]

AH I DONT WANT TO SPOIL MYSELF

[tulip aspen]

dw it's definitely not incredible

[frigid tinsel]

🖐️

[sharp lichen]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??

you people are always like "the final quest is bad, the upcoming season is bad, etc."

[silk hinge]

now i am afraid to open social medias
(once again)

[wanton robin]

Go into it with the bravery of a moth who's only seen daylight and you'll be just fine

[lofty void]

Jam are you slash j or slash srs

[sharp lichen]

please this is unfunny what

[wanton robin]

Lol it'll be okay. I spoiled myself due to anxiety but I'll be as vague as possible for y'all

[frigid tinsel]

🛑

[wanton robin]

I'm not saying anything but it'll be okay! Promise!

on another note material (fabric) ideas for a wooly manta stuffie?

[pastel brook]

who needs mods, skybot to the rescue!

[frigid tinsel]

Wool, of course

[wanton robin]

Would I use a cross stitch fabric and use a softer yarn to pull through like a rug? A fluffy material of another kind? Wool would be the most reasonable option lol but I have ✨sensory issues✨

[keen shore]

Was thinking about mantas being immaterial/made of solely light and decided to draw a concept of a manta made from cloud vapor. For some reason this took a LOT longer than I expected. [and yes, probably going to do an alternate version with feathers & fluff]

Gonna ping @tulip aspen because his posting on light creatures inspired me for this

[wanton robin]

Omg yes it looks so pretty! Good job!

[keen shore]

Thank you! Getting the gold right and meshing the hard and soft edges was probably the hardest part

[compact shale]

It's nice and misty! Would we be able to ride on it, or would it poof on us?

[keen shore]

We’d be able to ride on it but it would clip through most solid objects, except for maybe when the gold parts get stuck. I wanted to make it so that the gold focused the light more around the extremities so they wouldn’t fade, but it was hard making that obvious

[frigid tinsel]

That’s amazing, so well done
My eyes keep drifting to the gold.

[keen shore]

Thank you I am aware it was probably too much effort to put into a simple idea like this but I needed something to paint and it just kind of happened

[formal skiff]

This is GORGEOUS

[keen shore]

Thank you very much!! I really appreciate the compliment, wasn’t expecting others to like it as much as they did

[frigid tinsel]

Art in lorechat is always a gift

[formal skiff]

I can tell you spent a lot of time on it and the effort really shows. I can picture it perfectly as being an actual creature and overall it’s just a really beautifully done piece.

[keen shore]

It’s been floating around as an idea in my head for a while, although seeing other people mention something similar is what finally pushed me to actually Draw it. I’m super glad it turned out this well

[full saddle]

Hello there ^-^
I wanted to ask if there's like... a story behind eden ? Like about the journey and how and why everything happens?

If there is does someone have a link to it or something?

Thank you and sorry if I sound dumb, I'm just curious

[formal skiff]

There are no dumb questions in lorechat!! Glad you’re curious and that’s definitely an interesting topic! /g
I would explain but there are people here who would do that far better than me :)

[full saddle]

Sorry it's my first time in this chat and someone said I might get a few answers and theories and it's really interesting for me😅

[sharp lichen]

Few know everything. Here’s what we do know: “There once was a person who ruled Eden. However, they caused a disaster that turned Eden into a ruin.” I personally think that the person who ruled Eden created that ||giant diamond thingy||

[formal skiff]

No need to apologize! We’re always open to new people coming in and asking questions! As a pretty new member of lorechat myself, I can tell you that everyone is very nice and quite happy to explain the current lore theories

[full saddle]

If anybody wanna discuss lores with me feel free to text me, I'm willing to hear different theories and stories about it, it's so fascinatingg 🥺

[sharp lichen]

Beware that not every theory is 100% true. Some are widely argued and contested. Have you heard of the Chosen One?

[late wasp]

new season dropped in beta, it's always fun how some of our predictions and topics end up in the new season
i really feel like tgc draws inspiration from this channel tbh
either that, or we are kindred spirits coincidentally thinking and talking about the same things

specially something you said @rigid mural

actually nvm, Kamilico, it was all Vela LMAO

[static meteor]

EYES

[compact shale]

art imitates life

[lofty void]

…eyes?

[sharp lichen]

The Chosen One was the very first person who ever completed the Four Trials. The prophets predicted that this person would grow and become powerful, but it’s very vague. There are two sides: one that thinks that the ruler of Eden is the Chosen One, and one that thinks that the Prophecy QG is the Chosen One

[lofty void]

👂👁️👁️👄👁️👁️👂 hwat

[static meteor]

👀 eyes

(aka im excited for new season drop)

[late wasp]

I want to talk about Cave of Prophecy for a minute

It's interesting to note how the 4 elemental lights were already in the possession of the Ancestors before the Chosen One appeared.
Meaning: the Chosen One giving each element to a chosen ancestor is not that much of a big deal.

It's very likely that the Ancestors already had 4 Elders before the Chosen One ever showed up.
After all, they did have possession of the elemental lights and even built the trials in the clouds.

[full saddle]

That's so interestingg

[lofty void]

👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👄👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️

the leviathan in the depths of treasure bay be like

[compact shale]

add fish and you get General Leviathan

[lofty void]

OOH OOH YEAH LEMME DO THAT RQ

[ocean wigeon]

hello lore chat!

[late wasp]

all and all, it seems to imply that Chosen one appeared in an inter-regnum period.
The Ancestors had set up the trials that would create the next 4 Elders, and their King.

The possession of the elements beforehand implies there were a government before the King

maybe King even showed up after Ancestor society had collapsed already.
then rebuilt it
and it collapsed again

[rigid mural]

Huh ? What do you mean ? What I posted in the beta channels or something I posted here ?

Yeah, so what I said in beta xD
I am really excited, I can't deny.

[late wasp]

you brought up the theory here long ago, and ash acknowledge it (through Kamilico). showing they were probably working on it then. really cool.

it also means we might get wooly mantas in the future lol!

[compact shale]

What theory?

[rigid mural]

yeah, what theory

[late wasp]

||bird mask theory that they are all performancers||
we will be getting a season of that now

[rigid mural]

Afaik, the only thing Ash saw of me was me excitedly telling them they inspired me to try drawing more backgrounds xD

[late wasp]

Anyways, continuing the thought.
Maybe the Cave of Prophecies were never about a "Chosen One" or a "King".
Maybe they existed to test the would-be Elders.

And the King corrupted the process by gifting the Elemental Powers to unworthy people.

[rigid mural]

I started that ? I mean it's birds so ig I could have noticed that by virtue of paying more attention to birds, but I'd rather not claim to be the source of someone else's observations by accident ^^;

[late wasp]

seem to have developed twice by coincidence.
the performers theory wasn't gaining much traction, and the idea stopped being discussed for a couple of months*
until you came to the same conclusion on your own.

Kamilico who took part in both discussions decided to ask Ash the next time she was online, and the rest in history. (they asked because originally they didn't seem too fond of the idea themselves)

lore channel lore

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat lore

[late wasp]

the great prophet of our time: Mr. Gay

[rigid mural]

guys im only a switch moth, im just a little guy, im too young to be part of lore yet
you wouldnt call a switch moth's words lore /j

[compact shale]

You are our artist

Our lore artist

[formal skiff]

Yes

[frigid tinsel]

the astute, inquisitive, talented lore artist

[late wasp]

you jive so well with everyone i always assume you were here even before there was a server
a deity of art and creativity upon whose sanctuary the lorechat was built over

[frigid tinsel]

if you've only been playing Sky since Switch release, then that's fascinating how quickly you've been able to uncover stuff about lore, yknow

[compact shale]

I have created a Skykid design/OC and one of them works with the DNA of extinct Sky creatures and tries to revive some of them (it sometimes turns out grotesque)

Maybe they'll somehow discover wooly mantas or create one themselves AHAHAH

[tulip aspen]

BECAUSE having all 4 powers exist in the prophet's possessions BEFORE the chosen one makes the whole process seem more physically redundant and just technically only ceremonial, I've actually theorized that that may not be the case just cos that sounds lame and as we've both said; pointless

IF it's not the case, then that means ancestors truly didnt ever before have real access to these spells

so, in coherence with the mindspace concept, if the trials really only happen in your mind, then that means defeating them was an act of mentally unlocking some sort of powerful ascended ability

TLDR: i think defeating the trials unlock the ability to conjure those lights (somehow)
||This can be reinforced that by echoing the act, we in modern day also summon the powers, so clearly those 'lights' we give to the prophets after completing the trials weren't something they had on hand as items, nor did they simply just summon/re-summon them.
They had to have been created upon trial completion||

[frigid tinsel]

i mean this not in a sort of praising sort of way, but moreso that you and others (like me) who haven't been playing Sky or active in the community "for that long" don't feel like they have nothing to contribute, cos they do. every insight is useful

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh are you the latter side?
if you have any evidence or thoughts in general on that id love to hear it cos i havent heard enough about that theory

[late wasp]

while i'm not opposed to mindspace trials, there were a couple of dead ancestors though
hinting it is not mindscape, but realspace

[tranquil harbor]

Dead Ancestors? Like, in the actual trial spaces?

[frigid tinsel]

trials do look deadly

[tulip aspen]

i may be a prophecy moth but i joined AFTER tlp so yeah

commence someone saying under their breath that i dont know anything cos its true

[late wasp]

the mural. ash confirmed those were people that tried and failed.

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, it could be a 'your mind makes it real' situation. It IS possible to die from nightmares irl

[compact shale]

you died of weak brain?

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, your brain essentially freaks to the point it kills you

[sharp lichen]

Here's some evidence I'm digging up. Also, it's interesting that is the symbol representing the Season of Prophecy when the QG is right there. I've also thought that completing the four trials gives you power of the Cave of Prophecies, including watching and opening the trials as needed.

[formal skiff]

I joined mid-late tlp but consider myself more of a flight moth because I wasn’t yet oriented enough in the game to really be involved in tlp, whereas I definitely was in flight

[rustic heron]

You can enter a state of shock so severe your heart can enter cardiac arrest and seize, which can kill you.

[sharp lichen]

I'm a Sanctuary moth!

[compact shale]

Uhhh... thanks, Lazuli... yeah, basically that.

[tulip aspen]

those corpses appearing within the trial doesnt necessarily disprove the mindspace theory because we turn into burned ash corpses when we die in it as well; the only difference is we somehow revive

[frigid tinsel]

I started playing Sky in August (TLP moth) but I wasn't active in this server until much later, didn't send my first message in lorechat until November

[tranquil harbor]

But do we revive? For all we know our sky kids DO kick the bucket and we get reset for game convenience

[late wasp]

the main issue is that is the symbol of the Light
and that visually, the murals show a sky kid doing the trials, not an ancestor.

(ancestors have two stripes over their clothing, sky-kids have blank clothing)

[rigid mural]

all these compliments are flattering, thank you.
wooly manta

[compact shale]

For some reason I instinctively think that wooly mantas sound different from regular ones even though they probably don't

[rustic heron]

I started commenting in here about a month ago, but I’m on the cusp of getting unlimited power, so it wasn’t an issue.

If you survive lorechat for a week, you’re basically a veteran.

[tulip aspen]

thats true
in response it could also very well represent that the trials were about the new king, especially since we've associated that symbol with the king for, well, years

[late wasp]

next prairie season we'll get shepherding season of looming

[formal skiff]

I just had a cursed thought where instead of making those adorable lil chirps and bubbles and woos, they just
Baaaaa
Like sheep

[tulip aspen]

yeah that's the og conclusion fruity and i originally came up with

[rustic heron]

Woolly mantas cry when you shave them.

[late wasp]

I'm playing Sky for little more than a month lol!
Switch gang rise up

[tulip aspen]

they are not compliments, they're f a c t s

[rustic heron]

Lorechat is good at two things: inflating egos and pretending we know about the lore of the game.

[rigid mural]

(i'd like to note wooly mantas were made to distract people from discussing uncomfortable topics too in depth, in that matter i consider them lore chat babies)

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers ? more like

#jugemu-jugemu-go-ko-no-surike-ultimate-out-of-context-lore-with-megabird-and-buddha-on-our-side-along-with-existential-crises-san-francisco-furry-teth-ultra-divorced-resh-mindspaces-unrealities-and-last-but-not-least-the-utter-denial-of-skykid-respiration-but-also-everyone-in-sky-is-very very non-binary-and-gay-and-being-kidnapped-by-wooly-mantas-discussion-spoilers

[tranquil harbor]

The lore being so open ended as a feature is so strange I never imagined it'd work

[frigid tinsel]

it's sorta frustrating. that's why us in lorechat are varying degrees into insanity

[rustic heron]

In my opinion, it doesn’t, but most people run with it, so I’m likely wrong.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, sometimes you just want to be right

[rigid mural]

gotta say, while my headcanon is that trials really are that brutal, the ancestors lying down could also be just prone

[rustic heron]

The only right theory is Blessing Theory, however. Everything else is just speculation. /j

[compact shale]

I think the weirdest part of the way Sky handles its lore is that it's hinted that the lore is somewhat mysterious to the DEVS as well.

Like the art devs don't know all the lore either

Maybe they're lying about that but then again maybe not

[sharp lichen]

Huh, I’ve never heard that Skykids are depicted differently. Are there any other murals that show that? There’s also some other visual things, like the Prophecy Guide being different from the Prophets and the halo on its mask

[tranquil harbor]

It might be a symbolic death. Like they just rage quit

[rustic heron]

Sky kids are depicted like most ancestors, but with the winged light symbol.

[frigid tinsel]

These poor dead people

[rigid mural]

i was the one that accidentally spread that rumor (my deepest apologies), ash intervened later to say the devs are all up to speed on the canon lore (=they all read the lore bible), it's just that some details are left up to us

[compact shale]

The strange thing is that the Devs don't seem to know absolutely all the details, even though they probably should (Ash doesn't know what we're made of)

[rustic heron]

This is the abstracted depiction of a skykid:

[lofty void]

Hello LORE CHAT!

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible some things are vague just because no one thought that far ahead. Like:
Devs: It's cute and kid shaped, perfect
Fans: Okay so what are they made out of
Devs: uhhhh

[hushed steeple]

YEAH HELLO I HAVE BEEN STALKING

[rigid mural]

I don't really think what we're made of is that important for a game I believe is theme heavy (= you're better off analysing symbols), perhaps that to is left up to us.

[tulip aspen]

ive stated the idea before that it could be canon, especially with my study on skykid anatomy vs ancestor anatomy

skykids had a stronger source of light because they are more connected to the light, similarly to the way light emanates from light creatures, which are pure extensions of the megabird's power

humanoid beings of light gain connections to the light by meditating and other religious activities

the mindspace concept is a concept that there is a plane of reality in between alive and dead beings of light, and spirits, elders, and skykids can interact and control this plane if they are connected to the Light

this is why we say the trials are a 'dream', they exist on that plane; a challenge created by the prophets for those who are worthy to mentally conquer

ancestors had a weaker connection to the light, with all of those traditions not doing a thing, so they can't meditate very easily, and can't control what's happening in the mindspace (like the trials very easily)

because a Skykid's will is more powerful than the trials (mindspace) due to their connection to the Light, they simply refuse to lose the challenge, and get up again

[rustic heron]

They don’t want you to know sky kids are actually insects.

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that ancestors are depicted with double horizontal lines across the abdomen while skykids don’t have those.

[sharp lichen]

which is interesting, because the Chosen One doesn't have the winged light symbol. Maybe it's just a symbolic thing: after all, in the game, your finer details become harder to see when you become glowy.

[compact shale]

hgajsg;nngshgsngsdashhhg

[rustic heron]

Ayyy. Never thought I’d see Korone in lorechat.

[tulip aspen]

indeed!

[rigid mural]

My thoughts exactly ! Like, you can see in the concept art they had texture ideas (charcoal, leather and so on) but the most impressive work is put into color theory, themes and mood. So I prefer to analyse this game from a more symbolical perspective.

[compact shale]

the caption's what's important here

[lofty void]

Clay and light.

i think

[keen shore]

I HAVE RETURNED. @rigid mural

Wooly manta. The idea is that they have feathers on the underside of their wings and fur on top, for extra warmth!

[tranquil harbor]

Someone theorized somewhere else they were made of wax and I rather liked that one

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light very likely didn’t exist when ancestors were around, given none are depicted in any murals. So the Chosen One, a skykid, wouldn’t have wings because there was no winged light to grant them a cape

[rigid mural]

salem i love you

[lofty void]

OMg?!??1?1??1!1?1??1?!!? FLOOOFY]

[lyric isle]

though I think the lines are to represent their shawls more than anything

[tulip aspen]

a child

we dont know it was a skykid per se, it certainly didnt have wings

[lofty void]

Prototype skychildren maybe…?

[raw crypt]

I don’t think ive seen your art before salem, thats lovely omg!! 💕💕

[tulip aspen]

WHAT THE CRAB WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD DIDBKF FLN FLMF PJF

[keen shore]

Psst did you see the manta I drew based off the light creatures are immaterial concept #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rustic heron]

The chosen one is the King, and the connection is this exact image, compared to the mural in prophecy:

[frigid tinsel]

Possible that the Chosen One was a skykid who completed the trials, but could’ve been slightly different than contemporary skykids, especially since they didn’t have wings. Hence, proto-skykid or a prototype

[late wasp]

basically what lapis showed
winged light on the mural appears afterwards

[lyric isle]

ye

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe the trials got the king his wings?

[lofty void]

angler dark creature when tho.

[hushed steeple]

Could have been a “blessing” to guide spirits, not exactly skid, not exactly spirits. Possibly, the idea of skids was inspired by the Chosen One since they seemed to guide the kingdom for a while before yk… the fall. Therefore, a species similar to the chosen one will be the best shot at reviving the kingdom

[compact shale]

"OKAY ANCESTORS LISTEN UP
IM MAKING SOMEONE TO SAVE YOU IDIOTS FROM THESE WARS AND CRAB YOU KEEP DOING"

"you are??"

"YEAH, JUST SENT A PROTOTYPE JUST TO TEST OUT HOW IT WOULD WORK AND- oh my me they're worshipping the prototype what the eden"

-Jam no like dahype, 2021

[tulip aspen]

...........we are not worthy

[rustic heron]

See my previous post: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

That’s pretty damning.

[lyric isle]

that’s my one contribution. i’m very tored

[frigid tinsel]

Except the king is never depicted with wings. Also winged light very likely didn’t exist back then since it’s never depicted in any murals. So no winged light, no wings

[keen shore]

The chat is moving way too fast for me to respond to every compliment on my art, just know that I appreciate them very much and it makes my day, ty all <3

[rustic heron]

The King was the central figure that United the Elders, and consequently the light. They were second only to the Megabird.

[lofty void]

Oh my god wait wait wait

[tranquil harbor]

So how did the first sky kids who weren't the king get their wings?

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

anatomy doc coming soon

[late wasp]

the king unlike other Sky Kids has a Crown

[tulip aspen]

thats basically exactly the truth lol

[rustic heron]

More than a crown. They are literally a being of light:

[late wasp]

iirc only one mural shows Skids with a wing
iirc the other ones does not, but I have to remember where else they are shown

[keen shore]

So are we, the king isn’t special /j

[sharp lichen]

huh, it seems like I'm the only one who thinks of the QG being the Chosen One. With so much evidence against me, I still find it unable to back down. Why am I like this?

[tulip aspen]

*only one mural shows Skykids [in general]

[late wasp]

it's important to help truth not die to conformity

[rigid mural]

i think the qg succeeded at all the trials at some point

[rustic heron]

The central figure in the intro fell to the castle in the Sky, where the King resides. That same figure in prophecy exactly resembles the last fallen figure.

The prophecy child and the King are the same. There is no doubt.

[late wasp]

do we have a collage of all murals?

[hushed steeple]

Hm, yeah maybe they have completed the trials, but imo sir prophecy is far too tall to be a child in the paintings /j

[compact shale]

present your debate but expect me to fall asleep before I finish reading it

[tranquil harbor]

It would make sense if qg did, because why would they let you teach a class you failed

[rigid mural]

very interesting parrallel, i forgot this intro was a thing

[tulip aspen]

i just asked you for your take, then sophos gave theirs, then everyone thought it was interesting enough to adopt as a full chat topic im sorry-

[lofty void]

Ok but what is winged light? Do we ever know where the glowy bois came from?
Most likely, they’re the condensed light of previous skykids (prototypes perhaps?), considering the ones in the tunnel before Stormlock/PNR, and how unlike other winged light, they sit against the walls of said tunnel.
PNR is just bringing the condensed light to the prototype skids to revive them and give them wings.

[rustic heron]

@keen shore , mural master, your cue.

[tranquil harbor]

Though wasn't it said somewhere that the eden elder was 'no longer there to save' or something? If QG is eden elder, they're certainly not in eden

[keen shore]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM

Mural Masterlisr ^

[tulip aspen]

saved

[hushed steeple]

Hm, wasn’t there some quite about the wl being “imprints if children of light”? Something along the lines of that

[rustic heron]

Blessing theory explains much of this, and the fall of Civilization/the birth of Skykids.

[tranquil harbor]

What's the blessing theory?

[frigid tinsel]

honestly, no idea. I wrote a bite musing over this in my ficverse notes , considering whether winged light doesn't manifest until at least 8 skykids have occupied an area. it's based on the idea that winged light is the impressions skykids make on the world since winged light is "imprints of the children of the light" (dev quote).

[tulip aspen]

what
o

[compact shale]

Yes, and this is the basis of winged light being skykid memories, conglomerations of light that form in spots skykids have frequently passed by (kind of like converging footprints in a way)

[rustic heron]

Yessssss.

Yessss.

Blessing theory is hinged on the notion that the magic system of Sky is based around blessings, aka spells/potions/scrolls. Blessings are made of darkstone, and by some mechanism and once infused with light, they are able to be cast as magic.

Blessings are diverse, and can do many things, from changing the environment to changing one’s own body, to something as simple as making fireworks.

However, the crux of the theory hinges on the notion that the giant diamond in Eden is actually a massive blessing that was an attempt to cast an enormous flight spell that would, effectively give all Ancestors the ability to fly. This backfired and would eventually lead to the downfall of the entire civilisation.

As to why this happened is something I haven’t quite cemented yet. It could be that the enormous flight blessing gifted flight to Ancestors by killing them, thereby freeing their spirits which are able to fly.

Other alternatives are that, in sucking up all the energy in the Eden light beam, the Ancestors were unable to connect to the Light anymore, and civilisation crumbled.

We do know of some beings who were given the power of flight: the sky kids. The Eden flight blessing lead to our eventual ability to fly, and it was likely that the King was gifted the ability to fly, but this also caused his death. The result was many flight-capable Sky kids.

The implications of this is that the voice in Isle is the King, who would be the only one who knew of the purpose of the Eden failed flight blessing, and thus knew we, his descendants, would be able to fly.

[frigid tinsel]

just me making an excuse to share my writing

[late wasp]

OMG THE ISLE MURALS TELL THE STORY OF THE TRIALS

[keen shore]

Mood [but with art]

[compact shale]

YOU COPIED THE PING TOO?! /lh HAHAHAHA

[rustic heron]

My bad, but yeah.

[hushed steeple]

The constellations in the intro are composed of the spirits/ancestors NOT winged light. Winged light=/=stars
“You’ll find imprints of the Children of Light” -talking about winged light (note: later in the same context the say Child of Light singular)

This is straight from a canon lore doc

[tulip aspen]

no i thought u said for a sec that the 8p thing is confirmed

anyways hush im reading your whole fic page

[compact shale]

Yeah that

the WL are NOT made of ancestor souls sgk;lhsdgnsdgg

[tranquil harbor]

So the king is all the sky kids' dad, got it

[lofty void]

holy. holy frick.

Welp. this is a hella good theory

[keen shore]

Zeus energy

[rustic heron]

YES MY POWER GROWS. Two more for Blessing Theory, wooo.

[lofty void]

ABSGHSHSHAJABA NOOOO 😭

[frigid tinsel]

I say 8 only cos that's the server lobby limit. idk how many skykids it would take to manifest winged light in universe, but in my ficverse it's 8.

[rustic heron]

You gotta thank @late wasp too; they helped and were my muse.

[late wasp]

winged lights are the souls of the dead skids
don't @ me

it's literally the same mechanic of when we guide the spirit of a dead ancestor to their corpse
we do the same with skids, but their corpses are in Eden

[tranquil harbor]

I like that a lot of winged lights are on top of high places you need to climb or fly, or nooks and crannies. The sky kids explore, and winged lights being in those places means tons of sky kids went 'oooo, what's in/up here?' as a collective

[late wasp]

disappointed we didn't get a season of lapis

[sharp lichen]

I'm so conflicted: I think that the King being the Chosen One works better as a theory, while the QG being the Chosen One is better narratively. What do I pick?

[tranquil harbor]

the amount of kids who probably saw that board in the tree while flying to the forest and went 'i want to land there' winged light or not

[late wasp]

pick the Lapis is the Chosen One theory ™️

[hushed steeple]

YES.

[rustic heron]

The King can’t be saved because HE’S HERE IN LORECHAT THE ENTIRE TIME.

[tranquil harbor]

combine them. QG is the king, atoning for his failure by looking for a new chosen one

[tulip aspen]

r e b e l
rage against the dying of the light

[lofty void]

by being in lorechat you become unsaveable.

[keen shore]

Shhhhh don’t tell them!!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

WE NEED TO KEEP RESH HERE YK… SHHHHH

[late wasp]

does that mean... Lapis is Hatsune Mike? pog
||that was a typo i won't fix, cause hatsune Mike sounded funny||

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis would also be granny

[hushed steeple]

Granny belonging solos your fav

[lofty void]

shhhh. not a word ❤️

[keen shore]

Yeah, Lapis is definitely the king. I’m glad we all simultaneously came to this correct conclusion

[rustic heron]

Haha, you guys come up with the wackiest lore.

[lofty void]

It’s Lorechat’s secret. We’re all secretly elders and spirits. But please do not repeat

[hushed steeple]

Yeah man if you didn’t know I’m actually one of the 2537858275 concepts of the twins don’t mind me

[frigid tinsel]

if Lapis is the king and Lapis is a Megabird atheist, then no wonder the kingdom fell. they didn't believe in the Light so they drew the rest of the kingdom to their ideology.

[sharp lichen]

I'm seriously concerned. It's something that I need to pick quickly and reasonably. What should I believe?

[rustic heron]

Samekh, Samekh, or Gloating Narcissist?

[lofty void]

I’m just one of the concept skids.

[keen shore]

God doesn’t believe god exists

[hushed steeple]

Masc. samekh that has an Afro (my pfp)

[rustic heron]

Believe in Blessing Theory.

[lofty void]

The one who’s holding the crab, in Teth’s old concept art

[hushed steeple]

Oh wait so you didn’t die from the rain, that’s a tough kid

[frigid tinsel]

okay now i wanna see the Valley Elder(s) with an afro just cos afros cool. signed, someone with an afro irl and in game

[rigid mural]

I really like this because concept art insisted on ancestors being flightless without their boat or light creatures, in contrast to sky kids who gain a cape shortly after being (re)born.
Their downfall being due to an attempt at gaining wings would be really poetic. Tragically so, but still poetic. Are we the personification of the dream of flight ancestors had ?

I'd like to stick my theory sky children at least partially came from ancestors, see the screenshot in french saying

Bring your ancestors back to the skies and complete the constellation of each kingdom.```
"your ancestors"

[lofty void]

Yup!

[late wasp]

pause for lorechat lore
||Salem has fabulous hair||

[keen shore]

Thank you :-)

[tulip aspen]

salem tell me how to have fabulous hair

[late wasp]

Salem tutorials on Fabulous Hair and wht products they use

[hushed steeple]

What shampoo does Salem use 😳😳😳

[keen shore]

If you see your hair looking boring, just say no. Your hair can’t look bad without your consent

[keen shore]

liquefied manta

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's how i do it too

[tulip aspen]

salem is just rolling into the horizon with this fame

[keen shore]

Darkstone is unimportant. The mantas were for my shampoo this whole time sorry guys

[delicate arrow]

Okay, this isn’t finished yet, but I thought I would post it here since we have so much already & it would be easier for us to continue if it was all in one place. @rustic nacelle @slim oar

[tulip aspen]

oh megan salem is becoming lapis-

[delicate arrow]

This is the edited version. Sry for posting large walls of chat in advance ;-;

[late wasp]

also about this
this is just the template png from which they use to make other murals lol
all figures are stacked together to use as little space, that's why the king is flipped lol

will post the full picture and delete in 5 seconds, whoever sees
sees, those that miss, missed

[keen shore]

I didn’t claim any of the retconned murals were canon, it’s just there for recording. You’re probably right on the template thing

[sharp lichen]

If we somehow believe that this is canon, maybe it shows the Wasteland Elder defeating (or shooing away) the King.

[keen shore]

Lapis is just an usurper of my true power ❤️

[late wasp]

as promised

[rigid mural]

Salem's our mural scholar, I think they need more spotlight because their doc will be really helpful on the long run.

[frigid tinsel]

Not to brag but if we talking about hair

[late wasp]

this is the lore channel @delicate arrow

[keen shore]

I know your true secret…. your hair woo-d at me once

[delicate arrow]

Im extremely sry if this is the wrong channel I asked in #questions-and-help and they said to post it here…
I’ll delete the messages though if this is wrong channel

[frigid tinsel]

tbf this server doesn’t really have a fanfic/writing channe

[hushed steeple]

Hm, it’s cool that you have a story for sky, but maybe just give the link to the document instead of pasting it to the channel so anyone can access it without clogging the chat?

[late wasp]

don't delete, otherwise you'll lose it

[tranquil harbor]

Is there a place to suggest a fanfic/writing channel?

[slim oar]

It needs one!

[hushed steeple]

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived MAYBE??

[delicate arrow]

Okay I’ll post link I also posted that in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[late wasp]

closest I found was #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations
but always good to recommend the creation of one

[rigid mural]

don't worry, i suggest you dm it to your friend & ask in #live-feedback for a fanfic channel
no harm done /gen

[sharp lichen]

Listen you all have nothing on me

[frigid tinsel]

if you publish writing on a site that hosts writing like FF.net or AO3, you could prob post a link to it #promote-your-sky-content

[late wasp]

I will read your story later today ❤️

[rigid mural]

Wooly manta didn't really understand everything but it enjoyed listening to your story

[late wasp]

wooly mantas understand human speech
lorechat lore

[hushed steeple]

MAMTA

[keen shore]

Due to posting this you have lost your hair privileges for the foreseeable future. Do not disrespect my hair /j

[delicate arrow]

Oh I’m not professional, its just me and two other children of light writing in the general chat yesterday during the server repair time XD

[lofty void]

FLOOOOOOOOF

[tranquil harbor]

ff.net and AO3 aren't for professionals, they're for fanfic writers. You really should consider posting there tho, your stuff is good, it just doesn't have a proper place to go

[frigid tinsel]

you don't gotta be a professional to post/self-publish your writing somewhere. having it online can be a record of whatever you wrote.
also professionals do write fanfic, they just can't make money off it.

i post quips of my own stuff here only if it's lore relevant (like the Original 8 concept for winged light), but once I get uploading somewhere I'll prob post links in #promote-your-sky-content or #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations

[slim oar]

I have an AO3 account that I haven’t posted anything on yet. I don’t have a laptop rn so I dunno how I could post the story onto the site though, that’s why I haven’t posted any fanfics.

[tranquil harbor]

you could use a phone to hand retype everything, but it's a hellish nightmare and I do not recommend

[slim oar]

There is a wait time if you do not have an account for AO3. I think it took me several days to get one. I’m not sure about FFnet, I don’t have an account there

[delicate arrow]

If you want, I can send you the text once you get back on your computer At-Rozen
But Iv’e got to go sleep now

[frigid tinsel]

you can make an account of FF.net for free and have access to it instantly upon creation.
tbh AO3 is weird being a site with a waitlist.

[tranquil harbor]

You can sign up immediately for AO3 if someone who already has an account sends you an invite. I have plenty.

[slim oar]

could I copy-paste?

[tranquil harbor]

Do you know how to copy-paste text on phone? Like, copy-pasting is a thing, I just don't know how to do it on phone

[slim oar]

Oh I didn’t see this message, goodnight! 💙

I’ll test out posting stuff on my account and u can dm me the story later. I can also try and send u an invite to AO3 if u would like an account and not have to wait for the waiting time.

[rustic heron]

YESSSSSSS. Blessing Theory grows in power.

In all seriousness, I am preparing a document that solidifies this and also presents opposing viewpoints that have poked some real holes in this theory.

It won’t be an amazing read, but it will be organized, which is nice.

[rustic heron]

You can tap-hold on any discord comment, and there will be an option to “copy text”, which will do what you want. From there, tap-hold in the comment box to paste it.

[slim oar]

Yeah, I know how to copy-paste on phone. Some text boxes won’t allow pasting though unlike on a computer

[tranquil harbor]

Archive does I'm pretty sure, so you should be fine. At worst you'll have to reformat minor things, like making sure your italics are still italics

[harsh pecan]

Blessing Theory?

[rustic heron]

I thought Salem was cool before they were famous

[rustic heron]

Yessss.

Blessing theory is hinged on the notion that the magic system of Sky is based around blessings, aka spells/potions/scrolls. Blessings are made of darkstone, and by some mechanism and once infused with light, they are able to be cast as magic.

Blessings are diverse, and can do many things, from changing the environment to changing one’s own body, to something as simple as making fireworks.

However, the crux of the theory hinges on the notion that the giant diamond in Eden is actually a massive blessing that was an attempt to cast an enormous flight spell that would, effectively give all Ancestors the ability to fly. This backfired and would eventually lead to the downfall of the entire civilisation.

As to why this happened is something I haven’t quite cemented yet. It could be that the enormous flight blessing gifted flight to Ancestors by killing them, thereby freeing their spirits which are able to fly.

Other alternatives are that, in sucking up all the energy in the Eden light beam, the Ancestors were unable to connect to the Light anymore, and civilisation crumbled.

We do know of some beings who were given the power of flight: the sky kids. The Eden flight blessing lead to our eventual ability to fly, and it was likely that the King was gifted the ability to fly, but this also caused his death. The result was many flight-capable Sky kids.

The implications of this is that the voice in Isle is the King, who would be the only one who knew of the purpose of the Eden failed flight blessing, and thus knew we, his descendants, would be able to fly.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm calling it 'the king is Zeus' theory now and you can't stop me

[harsh pecan]

I think this theory is pretty cool (also the King sounds like a woman? 👀)

[keen shore]

If you do I am going to be in a constant state of holding back from making inappropriate Zeus bullying jokes. I am obviously not going to post any here because server rules, just know that I am making them in my head

[tranquil harbor]

Maybe he multiplies like one of them ameba things

[rustic heron]

Lore chat is the vessel containing our true power. Imagine if we could unleash the full might of jokes and lore we possess. We might crash the Sky servers without actually playing the game.

[keen shore]

Fun Zeus fact. He has accidentally eaten someone else’s son on at least 2 separate occasions.

There’s an… odd amount of son consuming in Greek mythology

[frigid tinsel]

one of the things holding us back is the censor

[tranquil harbor]

'accidentally' who is feeding this weirdo kids

Who got turned into a hunting game animal for snacky time, greeks y'all's own lore is wild

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) have Dionysus energy

[tranquil harbor]

I specifically saw that particular chat while looking for lore on my own. I liked the idea that they had a scarier side but specifically were gentle and nice seeming to the kids

[frigid tinsel]

they're fun but you do not want to anger them

[rustic heron]

He ate Athena too. But Athena refused, and burst out of his skull.

[half shadow]

since word of god is that nobody in sky has a gender, the “king” title doesn’t have to be given to a man. and actually there’s no ingame mention of the word King in sky so it’s possible that if we do eventually get that lore dump the word “King” won’t be used at all

[tranquil harbor]

Can they beat someone up? Yes. Are they aware the sky kids are kids about to go through some nonsense? Absolutely

[lofty void]

ancient greek myths are wild bro

[keen shore]

Didnt he eat athena’s mom instead with the same results? I have to check, I usually don’t translate mythology stuff so it’s hard to remember

[frigid tinsel]

technically Zeus absorbed his first wife, who was pregnant with Athena at the time, so Zeus also incubated Athena until she burst out his skull, already wearing armor.

[tranquil harbor]

get rekt zeus

[half shadow]

physically vibrating trying to restrain myself from talking about greek myths haaaa

[tranquil harbor]

Greek myths are just not appropriate for babys

I still wanna know what kind of sport the valley elders play. Like, the one with the bob was clearly going to smack the other one with their paddle, so does the sport involve combat, or was it just 'I have something to smack you with so I will use it'

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) hit themselves/each other all the time. technically against the rules but who cares

[keen shore]

I think it’s a weird version of tennis/keeping the ball in the air, but because they’re the valley elders, they added a rule that lets you whack the other person for extra points

[sharp lichen]

it seems like a horrible crossover between hockey, cricket and violence

[frigid tinsel]

that implies hockey isn't already violence

[keen shore]

[The additional whacking rule has killed 33 people]

[sharp lichen]

Hockey because of the vault elder cutscene, cricket because their weapons look like cricket bats, and violence because why not

[keen shore]

“Violence because why not” might be valleys entire motto tbh

[rustic heron]

Contrary to popular belief, the Valley Elders are not playing any one game. Their’s is just a constantly evolving sport involving whatever they’re doing at the time. The Ancestors were just so inspired by them they misinterpreted their childish competition as so@e form of divine sport.

In truth, the twins just compete at everything, from walking to talking to who falls asleep the loudest.

[tranquil harbor]

and yet their known sources of entertainment are two races and ice skating. Like, did they have fights as an entertainment source and the sky kids just aren't allowed to participate because they're kids or what

[sharp lichen]

CALVINBALL

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) cutscene for reference

[tranquil harbor]

All sky sports are just the ancestors misunderstanding the valley elders at any given time

[keen shore]

I think they did have fights but only the valley elders were allowed to participate. Now that everyone is dead, they can continue them without fear or hurting or killing others, so all the spirits are doing in orbit is beating the living crap out of each other

[rustic heron]

MY MAN HERE IS CULTURED AS HECK. CALVIN AND HOBBES LETS GOOOO.

[tranquil harbor]

Valley Elders are great. 'We move as one- wait stop that! I'll smack you'

[frigid tinsel]

i headcanon that the Valley Elder(s) teach skykids how to fight with the Saluting Captain staff. they tried giving the skids actual weapons once but they quickly realize it was a bad idea.
this is why TGC won't give skykids swords.

[lofty void]

fighting infront of a 7/11 at 12 am is now a sport, according to the ancestors

[tranquil harbor]

I like the idea of the valley elders teaching them how to play their sport

So are sky fireworks just safe to be around or are sky kids immune to the harmful effects the same way they're immune to fire?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids can literally stand in a fire unaffected so I image fireworks are harmless. fireworks with actual explosives might have a bit of force to them but it won't hurt

[tranquil harbor]

Sword back prop let's go. Two players with one can do a little fencing duel

[frigid tinsel]

I believe skykids don't feel pain unless they lose their inner light or are afflicted by darkness. losing light is like having parts of yourself torn apart. when afflicted by darkness, it feels like being frostbitten – eventually you can become numb and stiff.

[sharp lichen]

that sounds good until you let more than two players fight at once

[frigid tinsel]

Pulling winged light looks like it hurts

[tranquil harbor]

More than two players can't high five at once, why would you have a multi-person sword duel?

[frigid tinsel]

chaos

[compact shale]

and ancestral blood

[tranquil harbor]

I think the servers would keel over and die. People's phones would explode.

[frigid tinsel]

worth it

[keen shore]

I just want to whack people with things

[compact shale]

Don't worry, it hurts just as much as getting your wisdom tooth cut in half and then getting those halves removed but without anasthesia!

[tranquil harbor]

The only gifts in the elder constellations right now are hair, they could add stuff like the paddles... also at some point this stopped being about lore I'm sorry

[frigid tinsel]

nah this is typical of lorechat, you're good

[tranquil harbor]

I joined the server during yesterday's maintenance, I'm not sure how strict the rules/mods are yet

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat... is a different breed

[compact shale]

Same as the others, and DO. NOT. INSULT. THEORIES.

[tranquil harbor]

If I ever insult a theory it's entirely on accident/unknowingly. I'm not that kind of jerk.

[compact shale]

Tone indicators are good too! /srs

[tranquil harbor]

I'll do my best!

[frigid tinsel]

not to page my own writing but [insert Valley Elder(s) angst fic quips]

[tranquil harbor]

I went through sky mostly blind on my first run, and when I first saw the Valley Elders my first thought was 'ah, a squabbling married couple' only to find out that everyone else and their dog is like 'they're twins/literally the same person' and now I'm just trying to piece together what the heck I missed

[compact shale]

The twin thing is something the devs said iirc

[frigid tinsel]

there's various ways to look at it:

in game, they're referred to as the singular – Elder of the Valley - but there's obviously two of them, so what's up? some thoughts:

a) they're two separate entities but considered equals so referred to as one.
b) they're one entity with two bodies.
c) they're a mini collectivist hivemind; they are two separate entities but can, at some point, lose their individuality and become one mind. they cannot physically fuse, however.
d) the actual Elder of the Valley is no longer around (Valley priestess concept) so their heirs act as their replacement.
e) they were one entity who split at some point and the kingdom referred to them as if they're one (implied by in-game foreshadowing).
this is why I refer to them as Valley Elder(s)

[tranquil harbor]

I wanna seeeeeee They're my favorites because their cutscene is the most amusing

[compact shale]

Yep

They're the elders that get the most memes

[tranquil harbor]

To be fair, the very fact that they're not alone gives them an unfair advantage. You see how they react to sky kid and each other

[frigid tinsel]

they have less than 60sec of screen time but that's all it took for many to fall in love with them.

[compact shale]

Oh. Fair enough. CHEATER

[tranquil harbor]

Teamwork makes the dream work.

All the elders have less than 60 seconds of screen time I think, so they have to make it count

I want more elder lore... They're the only characters in the game who are mandatory (beyond the first spirit who is more of a tutorial), like come on

Even the little extra bit we can get is just a couple seconds of them looking kind of cool

[frigid tinsel]

you can skip Prairie and Valley rather easy as well as the others by chibi falling or piggyback glitching

[keen shore]

I’m late to see this but ty for sharing your writing again, I really enjoy reading it <3

[harsh pecan]

Oh true

[tranquil harbor]

Glitches are glitches though, so I don't think they should count against 'the most direct but at least intended path'

[harsh pecan]

Exactly

[lofty void]

OH MY GIOHS GUEYS

[harsh pecan]

WHAT IS IT

[lofty void]

FLOOFT MANTA

[tranquil harbor]

Did you just get here for that?

[lofty void]

yea

[tranquil harbor]

I could have sworn you were here during

[keen shore]

I might add a third variant on the same drawing - “fading manta” that would just be like the abyss ones. I am thinking about it but it requires me adding skeleton

[rustic nacelle]

well well I sense a wild rozen running around

[compact shale]

Floofy manta is one of our inside jokes

Basically we were discussing how ancestors got floof for their clothes

Realistically there were some kind of floofy creatures back then that went extinct

But obviously the better answer is floofy manta

And our beloved Vela and some other peeps made lots and lots of cute pics of it

[tranquil harbor]

Floofy manta went extinct 😭 or they/the floofy creature is still around in an area the sky kids don't have access to (yet)

Honestly, the idea that -things- like towns and animals and crop fields exist but the sky kid just has no reason to go to those places feels like such a rabbit hole

[frigid tinsel]

it's possible a lot of the world is still covered by clouds thus is inaccessible. as the storm weakens, the clouds recede and new areas are unveiled to us.

[tranquil harbor]

Is that the explanation for the seasonal areas? We've healed Eden enough to get there?

[rustic heron]

Theoretically, if you had a friend when you first started the game via sharing QR codes, they could glitch you straight into the Eden warp in Homespace. You could then complete Eden with no wings.

[tranquil harbor]

Weren't you going to bed Lapis? Or was that someone else?

[rustic heron]

Someone else. I am awake at all times waiting for lore.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think it's us healing Eden because skykids seem very useless against the fierce darkness of the eye of the storm. I just think that the big corrupted diamond powering the storm is weakening. it has to, nothing has limitless energy.

[compact shale]

Someday... the Eden cycle will end.

[tranquil harbor]

I dunno, once we start flying through eden it kinda seems like the storm temporarily broke to me, and it's quickly reforming as we fly to the final land

But I also thought the valley elders were married, so my view on anything that happens is... clearly odd

[rustic heron]

As more spirits and Elders are freed, more take power from the giant flight blessing, causing it to fade as it fulfills its original purpose.

Jazz hands Blessing Theory.

[frigid tinsel]

I just think it's weakening very slowly. besides Eden, the light of skykids' presence may be enough to push back the clouds somewhat – given light creatures can carve out paths in the clouds (a la wind paths), though skykids don't have the sort of force of that ability.

[keen shore]

Personally I think we could solve every problem if forest elder let us borrow their massive hammer. The Eden diamond may be able to survive being overcharged but can it survive being whacked with that? Let’s find out.

[tranquil harbor]

Considering we have the potential to have over 36 of us free at any one time in eden, we might have that kind of force in greater numbers

[frigid tinsel]

i think i know what you mean. there are 64(?) petrified skids at the point of no return

[rustic heron]

Skykid: Honks in tough guy Time to end this Smashes the Eden Crystal with Forest Elder's hammer
Everything fades to white
Skykid wakes up in a cart, across from a Stormcloak soldier in binds
So, you're finally awake.

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, however many statues + how ever many kids can be in the final area together at one time (is it still 8?)

[frigid tinsel]

in-universe there's probably more, just corpses of petrified skykids piled over each other, laid sprawled out all over the ground.
Edit: yum?

[rustic heron]

There are actually 64 statues. You become the 64th. 8 * 8 = 64. 8 has significance in Sky. Do with that what you will.

[keen shore]

Fun fact! Including both valley elders and the king, there are 8 elders

[tranquil harbor]

Why 8 tho

[frigid tinsel]

Eden is brutal and skykids just keep waltzing in there. sure, they can save a lot of their peers, but they die and have to be saved in turn.

[tranquil harbor]

but you can save more peers than yourself. there are less sky kids when you leave It's like 'if you kill a murderer the numbers of murderers in the world remains the same' but not if you murder multiple murderers

[keen shore]

Mmm, crunchy

[rustic heron]

The number 8 shows up a ridiculous number of times in Sky. There are 8 sides to a octahedron (aka the power diamonds). There are 8 diamonds. The platforms in Vault are all 8-sided.

The symbol of the King/the Light is also 8-sided.

[frigid tinsel]

yes but add your own body to the pile.
something we struggle with here is the question of what's true in-universe, what's a gameplay mechanic, and what's a game limitation?

[tranquil harbor]

like the spirits and kids having fingers?

[keen shore]

Skykid entering the storm to find only one corpse: well this is awkward

[rustic heron]

There are also 8 Krill in GW: 3 in Wasteland, 1 in shipwreck, one in broken temple, and 3 in the battlefield.
8 sky kids are allowed in one server.

If you consider Home space a separate realm, there are 8 realms in Sky.

[tranquil harbor]

I want one thing. Just one thing to appear multiple times all around sky so everyone is so sure it's lore related, but the devs are sweating because it's pure coincidence

[keen shore]

All the diamond markings, probably

[frigid tinsel]

from my ficverse notes: the Original Eight starting the futile cycle of skykids dying to save each other in Eden rather than whatever they were originally supposed to do in Eden

[keen shore]

My personal guess is that it’s either due to the amount of elders or the fact that 8 becomes infinity when you turn it on your side. May need to update this for maximum angst potential

[rustic heron]

From wikipedia (take this with a grain of salt): "In numerology, 8 is the number of building, and in some theories, also the number of destruction."

[frigid tinsel]

8 is a very convenient number in computing

[rustic heron]

Incredibly so. One byte is 8 bits.

[keen shore]

I don’t know anything about computers

[hushed steeple]

I can’t find who summoned

Tried searching my name, can’t find it. Who summoned?

[tranquil harbor]

I think someone copied something down to the @s earlier, might have been that

[frigid tinsel]

maybe it was someone who pinged you in a message the censored deleted

[hushed steeple]

Ah. Could be

Ok nighto yall

[tulip aspen]

whoa chat really dead

[pastel brook]

[frigid tinsel]

it's 1:20am
oh crap it's 1:20am

[tranquil harbor]

It's only midnight here

[tulip aspen]

10 21

[frigid tinsel]

damn PST clan

[rustic heron]

Jam, you live in Texas, right? Aren't you in Central time?

[tulip aspen]

no I'm from Texas
technically i don't live anywhere certainly

[tranquil harbor]

Does Texas have a 2 hour time zone difference?

[frigid tinsel]

North America has 4 timezones: EST, CST, MST, and PST (ignoring Alaska and Hawaii)

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah, but that's not why I was surprised

[compact shale]

you live in tgc's timezone that's for sure

[rustic heron]

Didn't the Elders once have Egyptian names?

[frigid tinsel]

Texas is CST

[tranquil harbor]

I looked it up, Texas has 2 time zones within it

[frigid tinsel]

i looked it up, Texas has one timezone

[tranquil harbor]

Then Jam ain't in Texas

[frigid tinsel]

he's in Cali

[tranquil harbor]

It's too early in the AM for these kinds of things to be said in my presence, I feel like I'm going nuts

[rustic heron]

Also, no way? Damn Jam, look me up. We'll argue about Sky lore IRL.

[frigid tinsel]

oh, a sliver of Texas is in another timezone

[rustic heron]

I survive purely off technicalities.

[tranquil harbor]

Same but not by choice

[rustic heron]

What an iconic mood.

[compact shale]

texas 🅱️exas

[half shadow]

texas is too stupidly large we need twice the timezones

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer is the most Texas of Sky spirits

[rustic heron]

Season of Texas when?

[lofty void]

No canonneer is more floridian

[compact shale]

YEE FRIGGIN HAW AHM TOTIN MAH BIGGOL HARPOON

[tranquil harbor]

Cannoneer is what you get when you combine Texans and Floridians. The gun stuff with actual ocean

[night pecan]

do we have an official name for the many eyed leviathan?

[lofty void]

Yes. Now this is something i can vouch for

[tranquil harbor]

All I know about the leviathan is that its name probably doesn't include 'krill'

[night pecan]

i wanna know your votes for the name of the many eyed boi
🦑 leviathan
🦐 king krill
elder krill
🦈 megaladon
💪 big boy
🥥 jared

[frigid tinsel]

names for the big boi I've seen:
leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Kraken Leviathan, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill

[raw crypt]

i call them big boy a lot :]

[tranquil harbor]

if regular krill are 'Dark Dragons' I'm betting it's something like 'Dark Leviathan', but any variant of 'queen/king dark dragon' is also plausible, assuming they're the same species

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[tranquil harbor]

I've been calling them things like 'demon/eldritch horror from the depths' but 'Elder Krill' is amazing and I want it

[harsh pecan]

They dont look like theyre the same species tho

[tranquil harbor]

I hope the wasteland elder shows up and gets into a fight with it

[frigid tinsel]

i wanna see Cannoneer shoot it

[harsh pecan]

Who do you think would win

[tranquil harbor]

Honestly, the fact that there is only one more quest to go seems way too short to deal with it. I want just a little more build up

apparently there was concept of the wasteland elder sacrificing himself to protect us and allow us to move on, so that tells me he might die, but I have my tiny candle and am prepared to give him all the light he needs to kick its leviathan butt

[frigid tinsel]

Flight disappointed me. we had the wind paths going dark, krill trying to break in, Eden music, but we fixed it by smashing some rocks and that's it? what?
hoping the same doesn't happen with Abyss.

[night pecan]

light is stronger than darkness and it's proved time and time again

i've seen the last quest and it may disappoint you slightly

[rustic heron]

Abyss ends after Abyss guide wakes up, and it was all a dream.

[harsh pecan]

Samee

[tranquil harbor]

-frantically waves my tiny candle like a pom pom- Go Elder go!

But yeah, it's kinda seeming like they're both gonna need just 1 more quest to really hammer it home properly

[rustic heron]

I was disappointed with the cosmetics for both Flight and Abyss. Still holding out for something on Dreams level of cosmetic goodness.

[frigid tinsel]

not to disappoint but I don't think the Elders can leave their little pocket dimensions. it's on us now to face the big boi

besides the final quests, I loved Flight. the colors, the spirits, the Wind Paths is my favorite hangout spot.

[tranquil harbor]

They can't leave their dimensions but they can visit us in the final world? I call bull /jk

Wind Paths is pretty but I legit could not get in without a friend helping me I was such a poor flyer

[rustic heron]

The Elders all have power rings, and in one season they will combine the powers of earth, water, fire, air, void, mind, and heart to form Captain Resh, saviour of Sky!

[frigid tinsel]

the Elders seem unable to traverse the Sky world. whether that was always the case or only after the Eden cataclysm is up for debate. yes, they can meet us in Orbit, sure, but the world itself seems inaccessible to them.
maybe that's a part of their power, prestige – the ability to traverse between worlds. unfortunately they've been cut off from one.

[harsh pecan]

The cosmetics were decent imo but some of them were good (im talking about that cape from abyss)

[tranquil harbor]

That's assuming that they want to leave tho. For all we know it's just convenient for them to be there

I really wanted the abyss braid but when I got it I'd changed my hair and it didn't look as nice anymore...

[harsh pecan]

Its boring in there

[rustic heron]

I like to believe that the Elders purposefully refused to travel to other parts of Sky due to ideological differences, the same differences that split the Light and made the stars fall originally.

They gathered followers in specific places to follow their specific path to the Megabird, focusing on one of the several base elements we see in Enchantment.

[tranquil harbor]

It's possible that the little pocket place is just their 'office' and where they do their Very Important Elder JobTM.

I know the lore is up to interpretation but in cases like this it's a little too vague.

[rustic heron]

I also like to believe the Elders never had physical form, hence why their statues exist; as a means to commune with them.

The central figure that United them@would choose to be reborn into a physical form in Sky, becoming the King.

This is why there is no Eden statue; there wasn’t a need for one.

[frigid tinsel]

I believe they used to be able to traverse the Sky world (see: Prophecy murals) but the Eden cataclysm cut off their physical connection to it. considering the removed blue Eden OOB that has their bodies being flung afar.

[tranquil harbor]

The game says we're 'waking the elders' so it might be their bedrooms rather than their office probably not

[tulip aspen]

actually gameplay and story is just-

like imagine if the quests DIDNT take just 5 mins each to complete, and there was an actual story instead of 1 minute miniseries'

[harsh pecan]

Do you have a pic or a link of it?

@tranquil harbor sleeping there must be so uncomfortable 😭

[tranquil harbor]

Little Prince was great that way. I got super impatient when my friends showed me a place and I accidentally left them for the prince tho XD I felt so bad! But when I didn't go with friends, Little Prince felt like a story (probably because it was but still)

[tulip aspen]

it seems like it's exactly the same formula, they're going into a very basic habit in order to quell people's complaints about lack of story and content

hopefully the next season doesn't do the same crappy thing

if they keep up with that lame new rhythm that flight and abyss took up of having basically nothing going on in the first 3 missions and everything going on in the last 2 but all 5 can be finished in 5-10 mins each then im going to murder some moths

[night pecan]

how tall is an average moth (without any height spells etc)

[frigid tinsel]

removed blue Eden OOB: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

Yeaa

[compact shale]

I think Flight needed one more quest between 4 and 5. It seemed to be resolved WAY too quickly.

[tulip aspen]

id like having miniquests within the quests; basically each quest just having waaay more (different) steps

[tranquil harbor]

We're sitting here with over 3 weeks of NO QUESTS WHATSOEVER, so it's like, the seasons can afford more quests

[frigid tinsel]

between 2'11" and 3'5"
see: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ob6DeBbMUF0bSfeRlfwqSoF_8HWEhp_HMrgiwmZZxsI/edit

[compact shale]

I think if the first 3 quests will be milder, they should at least be more expository and character-driven, showing us what spirits used to do when they were alive and yada yada

[frigid tinsel]

scratch Jam complaining about TGC/Sky off your bingo cards, everyone /j

[tranquil harbor]

Jam is right and they should say it

[compact shale]

"Krill: 6’2” tall (excluding legs, horns, and spikes), 69’8” long (excluding horns)"

edit: I FORGOT TO ASK MY QUESTION

How are krill sudenly 12x taller because of their legs?

[frigid tinsel]

krill are big

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[tranquil harbor]

But humans can be taller... Are krill stronger than humans? Could we protect our children?

[frigid tinsel]

it's saying that krill are vertically 6'2" and horizontally 69'8"

[compact shale]

a h

i s e e e e e e 😭😭

[tranquil harbor]

they are long bois

[frigid tinsel]

look at that thing and tell me it's harmless to fleshy beings /lh

[tranquil harbor]

Fleshy beings aren't made of light tho, so we could maybe act as a hiding spot for the kids? Gently cuddle the sky child with your back turned to krill. Profit???

[compact shale]

how physically sharp do you think krills are

[tranquil harbor]

How tough are their hides? I have kitchen knives

[frigid tinsel]

skykids can get krilled and get back up cos they're not squishy and made of magic. if anyone's back should be facing the krill, it should be the skids

[tranquil harbor]

They won't charge us if they don't see the kids because we're not made of yummy light tho???

[harsh pecan]

Kinda sharp

[frigid tinsel]

it sounds like you want to fight a krill in the flesh

[tranquil harbor]

I will protect my child! No but seriously I'm curious now. Could a human take a krill on in a fight? Like, are they strong or are our kids just defenseless

[tulip aspen]

when i mean nothing going on im not asking for cutscenes tgc, im asking for interesting gameplay!!

make the diamonds we're looking for semi rng (dozens of possible spawn locations); make them sparkle when in view; make them NOT VISIBLE THRU WALLS WITH CALLS

and make the characters actually feel interacted with; prince delighted me because it showed me they can make their npcs move around!
make us follow them to specific locations, where they'll point the way to the hidden diamond! show them hunting diamonds alongside us but on land!

like bru

trace walk cycle along [notated route]
point at area
make them look at us and emote sometimes, maybe most will wave and point towards where diamonds are underwater, maybe cannoneer will be aggressive and rude in our direction with available emotes

imo, all of the first three quests should

1. be stacked all together but
2. be passive rather than active quests, moreso like enchantment and dailies
   "You've gathered 7/14 diamonds."

What could have really extended gameplay, is if there was a quest or 2 where we had to return to old locations in other realms with those golden containers or places with diamonds, and we'd take the diamonds from there! It'd also be cool to see the Abyss team explore other realms with us, we'd have to follow them across a map where they will dig up treasure for us to collect

even part 4 couldve been longer, maybe there were much more crystals inside the trench/ruin to find after we escaped that narrow tunnel!

damn, if tgc had a larger team to work the cutscenes, we could've shown the krill attacking their boat, so at least they recognize the problem from part 4 as well

inhales okay im done

anyways, time to write more about clayshell vs flesh

[tranquil harbor]

^ Yeah, I feel like the entire season has basically been 'go to this realm you've been to a thousand times to find candles and collect special moneyTM to buy clothes' and like, this is the season of abyss: Make me play in the abyss!

And b4 someone says 'all seasons are like this': I am new

[frigid tinsel]

this is why i write fanfiction

[white dagger]

i come here and thats the first thing i see
I dont believe it
suspect!!

[tranquil harbor]

We were talking about krill lore I promise

[harsh pecan]

I agree with everything you said

[white dagger]

[tulip aspen]

seasons suck in that regard lol, I'd love for seasonal candles to be earned with actual seasonal themes, even/especially if it's all around the realms; Abyss had the PERFECT dynamic for that; just put small little underwater areas that require much less effort (than, say, sancts ravine and reef) into all realms by making all water areas deeper

forest's brook(s) and temple lake, prairie's ponds and lakes, isle's shore and ponds, valley's ice lake (c o n t r o v e r s i a l), wasteland's muck (allow us to swim in the dark water smh)

it all just requires making each deeper than adding a floor to each, then they can put clams and blue wax and power diamonds for us to pick up for special seasonal dailies respectively!

itd be awesome if seasons werent so confined in their space and actually changed the general game a bit

[white dagger]

oh wait
speaking of the ravine
is it there now? i havent been on sky except for the dailies 👁️👁️ and how is it? any hidden shenaniganery?

[half shadow]

my overwhelming love for undersea content makes me immune to abyss criticism

[tranquil harbor]

Now that we can dive they should give the ice lake back, but it's also cool to skate under there...

At the very least the new area in sanctuary means they're trying to go that route, even if the area itself is...

[tulip aspen]

anyways, dis boi dont look fleshy

i know that sounds redundant and stupid, but when rewatching the cinematic just now i was expecting them to look significantly different but... they didnt!
they still look weird, glowy, smooth, but soft at the same time

it's not feathers, its not skin texture
its just Light

[harsh pecan]

Yes yes

[tranquil harbor]

It might be a thin membrane type thing going on

[tulip aspen]

it was a controversial topic in beta, most people are just mad about that idea because it will 'slow' their runs

cos u know, that's the only thing that's ever important /:

[half shadow]

really? I guess you could say that, to me they look like they’re solid beings. i don’t see why they can’t be made out of both Light and flesh/skin at the same time

[tranquil harbor]

unless the mantas are also spirits

[harsh pecan]

Looks like flesh to me

[tulip aspen]

yeah they are solid, but the smoothness of the lighting looks to me the same way they do in game

they dont have specified texture, their bodies kinda just are a flat plane of white with no outlying

[rustic heron]

Do you think mantas taste like vanilla cake?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe

[tulip aspen]

what do you mean?
like, flesh, but with light inside the body?

there have been some theories like that, some even saying the light being their blood or something

[white dagger]

i think they taste like cotton candy, like the clouds they pop out of

[tranquil harbor]

I'm of the 'realist' approach that they taste meaty, possibly even gamey. Or blubbery for some reason

[tulip aspen]

light falls into the ocean and clouds and comes out as mantas
"those things definitely have meat to be consumed" --lorechat

[tranquil harbor]

They're animals ain't they? Honestly for all we know their meat is poisonous tho

[white dagger]

fair
i think whatever dish theyre used in would be the kind that really warms up ur soul and you can just eat a ton of it and never get tired
until u barf light/j

[tranquil harbor]

Sky staple: Manta soup
Tho they seem to be used more like horses, so maybe the people of the kingdom didn't eat them

[half shadow]

Sort of! My idea of light creatures argues both, that the bigger/more complex a Light creature is, the farther away it is from being made of just pure Light. they’re all still made of Light energy, but it’s changed into a more solid state, and ones that have grown enough evolve their own physical attributes.

I guess to spell it out the most realistic way possible: Light turns into flesh as the creature evolves because it’s magic

[white dagger]

horses can and have been eaten in a pinch tho 👁️

[tulip aspen]

well, they're beings of light

we know almost for certain now that they are born when orbs of Light fall from Orbit and settle inside clouds and the sea, as devs have hinted many many times at it over the years, so the joke/theory is that they are made of clouds/condensation mixed with Light essence

Salem and the others agree with that.....
and then still go on to say they could be made of meat

[tranquil harbor]

So they taste like water

[compact shale]

You think the war is pinchy enough?

[rustic heron]

I like this one. They know what's up.

[tulip aspen]

i actually have considered biting into them would be moreso like a membrane, yes!

[twilit blade]

Light creatures

You mean sentient egg yolks 😎

[half shadow]

does anybody have a screenshot of the manta from the switch trailer? if we want to view Sky with a more realistic lense over it, the style of that one was much more close to if it was a real thing in real life

[tranquil harbor]

Who's this one?

[rustic heron]

You.

[white dagger]

i mean if light creatures are dying out like that then yes
would that mean our skykids are solidified light tho like better mantas or sumn
(i accidentally triggered a nono word lol)

[broken badger]

https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU

[tranquil harbor]

-looks up switch trailer- Excuse me what is this in the very first few seconds

[tulip aspen]

its definitely true for sure that larger creatures form hardened forms; larger mantas are ridable and MASSIVE light creatures are confirmed to have bone structures inside them

ive theorized the skeletons are "hardened/petrified Light", but who's to say what that could entail

[rustic heron]

Rock candy.

[tulip aspen]

thats what i was doing yes!
i was astonished to find they are VERY faithful to how it looks in game!!

people are saying it looks like meat anyways lolol

[rustic heron]

Manta steaks sound good right about now.

[white dagger]

speakinig of the switch trailer 👁️
wheres all those floating islands?? and rivers? what realm even is that?
first thought is prairie but the forest does have the river esque brook
also reminds me of the earth trial

[broken badger]

Mants look like stars all bunched up but then formed into something magical

[twilit blade]

The switch trailer was shown to mainly explore around Isle pre-corruption, so most likely it is Isle

Also I'm sorry I couldn't not notice Mario peeking in the corner

[compact shale]

The bones can honk, and from that some theorize that there is some soul/consciousness in there, you decide what to do with that

[white dagger]

krill souls

[compact shale]

No, not THOSE bones

[white dagger]

KRILL BONES??!?!

(i mean vault has sand everywhere and any grass could have been wiped due to the fall + perhaps lack of nature)

[tranquil harbor]

I was not prepared for the sight of the isle of dawn being covered in grass. Dudes I thought that place was a desert

[tulip aspen]

ive had the conversation with salem where we're kind of still arguing on whether or not that the small manta bones are even real since it's in vault so yea-

[half shadow]

I mean, it doesn’t look like “meat,” it looks like a creature. I took the liberty of taking some screenshots of the riding Manta that show off they look like a pretty solid creature. To me, I think that the mantas are covered in a kind of silky fur/feathers…. the texture specifically reminds me of a kind of fabric that I don’t remember the name of. Plus bonus manta mouth becaus I appreciate it so much

[tulip aspen]

thats a light dragon. /hj

[broken badger]

It looks very soft and flexible so mabye some sort of sand or like something flexible

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if that creature specifically was heavily domesticated, and so it died out without the ancestors to take care of it, vs Mantas which are like birds

[twilit blade]

The last screenshot always reminds me of the snout of a horse with a glowing nose

[half shadow]

they’re all manta to me! i think it’s safe to call this one a manta variant, and the ones in the sky look like they have that similar sorta…. fur/feather texture that changes in the lighting when they move, I personally feel like I could reach through and touch it and it would feel JUST LIKE A SPECIFIC KIND OF FABRIC I DONT KNOW THE NAME OF AND NOW ITS KILLING ME

[tulip aspen]

manta or not, with your logic, that screenshot still proves my point, even better tbh

there's no detail on him

flat, smooth surfaces

he's a shape, nothing more

the only texture is on his head armor plating, which, if it's similar to the Light Whale, is made of Light Bones

also how does no one ever connect the dots with the spotlight-

[tranquil harbor]

Some animals can seem pretty smooth tho? Like seals and stuff

[compact shale]

Don't the whale bones in Forest count too tho?

[half shadow]

you could say that! I personally do see the details in the texture as the light moves, the little nicks and notches in the tail. the flying ones even look like the little “feathers” on their wings move. it’s alright if we don’t notice the same kind of details though, this is just personally what I see

[tulip aspen]

yea exactly!

and yes fruity they do, the skull isnt a skull, it's the head; it's head is an external bone structure with the Light inside the head encased, that is a theme with all large light creatures from the 2 whales to the cinematic wagon creature

[tulip aspen]

i saw the feather features for sure on the mantas, just not the big creature, unless you were only talking about the mantas?

i think the feather aspect is a kind of design, part of the way the Light forms; they fly better with little flaps on the edges of their wingspans, and that's what those look like to me; flaps; like a moth's cape

the feathers/flaps are very visible, detailed, and pretty in game, I might go get a screenshot later, wanna get tagged about it cos it's pretty?

[half shadow]

their skin def looks very soft and rubbery and honestly they kinda remind me of how dolphins skin would look if they were dry and covered in very light silky fur. i just wanna rub my face on one

[tranquil harbor]

Those graphics make me wanna cry, is that how they're meant to look I mean jesus

[half shadow]

those are just shots from my phone too i bet i could get even more high res ones on my computer but i’m just lazy rn it’s almost 2 am lol

i guess I just don’t see how they couldnt both be physically made of skin, flesh, or whatever and ALSO be made of Light. they’re clearly capable of physical interaction and some were used as pack animals it looks like. to me it looks like they have a hide of some kind, one that’s flexible and covered in a downy sheen of something resembling feathers or fur. they could physically feel like actual manta rays do in a sense; like their bodies are just thick cartilage

[tulip aspen]

yee that's what it reminds me of too

so if anything, the Light forms a solid blubbery membrane around itself

animal cell type beat

[broken badger]

Mantas dont have any bone structure because there wings are to flexible and meat in manta wouldnt make sense. Also mantas seem pretty light and since humans have meat we are heavy so I think Mantas are made out of spirits or air/clouds. And since in sky we can touch and float on clouds, what mantas are close to that?

[half shadow]

yeah, possibly something like that

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, the game has actual magic, we gotta accept that light works a little differently than in our world to understand the creatures

[broken badger]

Exactly

[tulip aspen]

yeah the manta skeleton doesnt look like it'd fit inside the manta, i think it exists within vault's illusions purely as a metaphor

[tranquil harbor]

Birds have meat and they can fly tho

[half shadow]

i think they’re more like Light turned into animal shapes that then evolved to be more animal-like

[broken badger]

So we cant really relate this to real world

[tranquil harbor]

We can just not 1 for 1

[broken badger]

Yeha

[tulip aspen]

id actually consider subscribing to that idea!

its better than everyone assuming they form out of clouds bearing flesh for some reason!

[half shadow]

realistically i don’t think manta were used for food however manta burgers is a good meme and i’ll always enjoy it

[broken badger]

XD

[tulip aspen]

yes, AND if light creatures werent used for fleshy food, then clayshell ancestors finally can become a topic

[tranquil harbor]

Humans eat birds, pigs, cows, horses, and heck, even animals like cats and dogs, depending on where you are, so like, the idea that 'mantas were just an uncommon food source' is pretty plausible too

[broken badger]

So manta were not food but transportation so possibly mantas were sky made thing

[tranquil harbor]

Also, if the light creatures weren't used for food, what did the ancestors eat? Were they vegan? They grow crops but light creatures are the only animals we see beyond crabs

[broken badger]

Since the look so prefect and flat

[tulip aspen]

oh no, they still ate light creatures, but um

so im insane and have been rebelling against everyone, trying to prove that ancestors did not have mouths that bite into food

[broken badger]

Krills:)

[half shadow]

i think they had mouths. how else would they kiss? love wins

[tranquil harbor]

Sky kids: 'The krills are mean and they bully me'
The ancestors: 'look, an entire meal!'

[broken badger]

Exactly

[white dagger]

grandma's food orbs are made of krill meat /j

[tranquil harbor]

Grandma goes out and hunts krills with her bare hands to provide for her thousands of new flying grandkids. They will never leave her table hungry

[compact shale]

They stick the light fish into their e y e s /hj

[white dagger]

speaking of what do you call the food orbs? i call them bread buns

[compact shale]

burnables? /j

[tranquil harbor]

I thought they were little buns/cakes maybe filled with jam.

Also, in the trailer, the ancestor adult released a bunch of light bugs into the forest. Does that mean the ancestors also spread the light around the kingdom?

[tulip aspen]

it was confirmed by angler's character card in #news that the abyss team catches and eats the Light Fish swimming in the seas at Abyss

from there salem pointed out that means they definitely need sustenance or will die

ive been trying to assert they dont physically eat the fish as if it has flesh, but that they actually absorb the Light from it, similar to how skykids absorb wax

if they just have to hold their heads close to the fish like dementors to suck Light from them, or have to kill them, popping that membrane i talked about for Light to explode out of them (like light inside popper objects in game), it could be either or (prolly latter)

[tranquil harbor]

Why do you want to assert that?

[tulip aspen]

because i dont believe ancestors could be biological, and are clayshells like skykids

[tranquil harbor]

Even if the sky kids are clayshells, what stops them from eating?

[tulip aspen]

clayshells wouldnt have mouths? skykids certainly would be concerning if that was true

[compact shale]

the fact that we don't have mouths? unless we stick food into our eyes, that is...

[tranquil harbor]

They're wearing masks tho?

[compact shale]

what if we eat through our core holes

[tulip aspen]

underneath the mask they would still be clayshells, unless you're saying only their heads are.... organic/magically-biological

[tranquil harbor]

And like, maybe 'their model doesn't have a mouth' is justification, but their models also don't have fingers and that's because of the power needed to display fingers or whatever
Why give the model a mouth if masks are a core aesthetic

[tulip aspen]

yep thats been a timeless argument for sure

because maskless is it's own aesthetic as well

[compact shale]

Maybe, but concept skykids didn't have mouths either iirc

[wanton robin]

We're like little clay mobile lamps. We feast on the light

[tranquil harbor]

The thing is, our kids are clearly alive, and the light creatures are clearly alive, despite being light/clay/whatever biologically. I feel like this is one of those 'not directly 1 to 1' things

[compact shale]

Oh and

Lil stop tsking me for looking for alternative eating orifices /lh /nm

[broken badger]

Im not scoldind

[tranquil harbor]

Like, they're able to be biological while not our irl standard of biological for the same reason their world has magic. It works differently there (maybe)

[tulip aspen]

what's 1 to 1, am uncultured

skids are alive, so are light creatures, so are ancestors

the clayshell theory is still the most accurate take we can pull; they are in the end still beings internally made of Light

also keep scolding them lil

[wanton robin]

Has anyone read the one books series with the dragon's tears and the people who make clay dragons that come to life?

This convo reminded me of that

[tulip aspen]

whats its name?

[tranquil harbor]

1 to 1 as in 'how it works compared to the real world' Light isn't alive irl, it can't be, so if skykids did exist they wouldn't exist at all

[wanton robin]

Give me a moment I will se it I remember lol

[tranquil harbor]

Like, how much of this is because sky's world has different rules/sciences to it

[compact shale]

Eating through your eyes would be creepy if it made sounds that's true

[broken badger]

https://images.app.goo.gl/1YSLEGf7wYyMfr8NA

[tranquil harbor]

New theory: they eat thru their lil forehead gem, das their mouth

[broken badger]

I mean

[tranquil harbor]

We've cracked the code, their faces are upside down compared to human faces

[rustic heron]

That depends on what you define life to be.

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah definitely

this is a video game world, and the logic is still inherently "magic"

the magic follows rules though, and we have to remember where this magic comes from: everything comes from the Light in the Sky, falls to the world of the sky kingdom, and then takes various forms

that's the rule

from there, yes, we can debate if they magically gain flesh or membranes or whatnot, which obviously is more pointlessly detailed and comes down to preference

i think membranes are more logical, and people want their flesh cos people are scary

[broken badger]

What if they absorb stuff into there gem and it gets them stronger just like how sky kids absorb winged light

[compact shale]

I thought that too

Until I got a closer look and turns out it's not an orifice it's a mark that comes with the mask

[tulip aspen]

omg

[tranquil harbor]

yeah but if they count as biologically, then it doesn't matter if they're clay

[wanton robin]

LAST DRAGON CHRONICLES!! I didn't think I would find it lol

[tranquil harbor]

The idea that 'clay creatures can't eat' would be more in line with irl logic

[tulip aspen]

biologically means (with organs / organic systems)

a heart, a brain, skin, a digestive system, etc etc etc

i dont think we want to think about or have those details for skids, which is why the clayshell theory became popular for skids

not for ancestors tho because people prefer keeping the idea of ancestors as human

[tranquil harbor]

Cowards! Embrace the 'sky kids have stomachs' lore /j

[rustic heron]

Sky kids have fiber optics instead of veins.

[compact shale]

To determine what is "biological" in Sky's world we must first determine what "alive/living organism" means in Sky's world

[tulip aspen]

i hope you're getting my point a bit tho lolol

im not asking you to agree with it; it's just different things appeal to each of us in different ways ye

[tranquil harbor]

No I get your point, I was just bringing up alternatives and counter stuff because it's all very interesting, and the more we consider, the more fun the conversation is (at least to me)

[rustic heron]

Yup. This a good lore moff.

[tranquil harbor]

I'm really sorry if I came off like 'bro you are so wrong r u nuts' because like, no, I was just theorizing and junk

[wanton robin]

What if ancestors are human but a small piece of their soul was given to a forged shell! Aka: skykids (so could be why they no longer have a tangiblish yk what I mean body)

[tulip aspen]

it seriously is, im so glad you and fish humored my insanity otherwise i wouldnt have come up with that membrane concept for creature anatomy

hearing the new other concepts were great too, thanks so much yall

[compact shale]

On this topic

What is most definitely a "living organism" in Sky's world?

[rustic heron]

It's a good thing. Some of us need to get knocked off our lore pegs. Ask questions, poke holes.

[broken badger]

What if sky kids tzke off there amsk and eat

I theorized that the sky kids face/maskless is a void of something and they just stick stuff into that void

[tulip aspen]

there are actually theories about skykids being fragments of ancestor souls and stuff, or connected to ancestors through heritage and blood

[spiral nacelle]

krills

[tranquil harbor]

Isn't there a theory that krills are mechanical?

[spiral nacelle]

its a theory /lh

[tulip aspen]

when i used to be completely unprepared for everyone coming at me with the HAH LOOK THE DEVS SAY THEY EAT i originally proposed that

[broken badger]

Welp amma do some more research about sky kids eating

[tulip aspen]

krills are actually confirmed by devs to be corrupted creatures of light

krill notes doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tranquil harbor]

I am firmly on team 'Sky kids do have mouths and take off their masks but it's not rendered for performance reasons' and no one can stop me, but I will talk about all manner of other ways purely for the fun of it

[wanton robin]

Hear me out: clay is a part of soil, soil has life, sky kids are biological bcs they are dirt shells made of plant? Plant light = photosynthesis??

Carnivorous plants make up a stomach, mold and fungi make nerves

[tranquil harbor]

'Being the only active threat to your light (sorry crabs)' poor crabs XD

[compact shale]

It's confirmed that krill are corrupted.

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

[broken badger]

Oreo the doggy

[tranquil harbor]

aww, sky kids like mochi (maybe) that actually explains what granny's food balls are

[wanton robin]

Any takers or am I the only one that has the biggest urge to draw moss overgrown skykid?

[tranquil harbor]

I can't not draw, do iiiiiit

[wanton robin]

I will do my best

[rustic heron]

Maybe not. They come from a grave.

[tranquil harbor]

Hey so that horse thing in the trailer... What if that's what the krills are

[compact shale]

That's one of the theories we have, yes!

[tranquil harbor]

This doc is interesting as all get out

[broken badger]

New theory: maybe krills are not evil

[broken badger]

I know some people talk about this but why

[tulip aspen]

we'll never know 👻

[tranquil harbor]

I mean, if the krill is just an animal, it's possible that yeah, it's not evil and it's just working on instinct or something

[broken badger]

Mabye since the golden wasteland is near vault of knowledge its protecting it

[tulip aspen]

being hungry is definitely instinctual 👀

[tranquil harbor]

Don't the krill succeed at eating your light? Yeah your winged light spills, but you also lose your core light and have to reignite it

[broken badger]

What if krills where the things protecting like vault but then a spirit or ancestor got to vault and created eden

[compact shale]

Partial success? They get a meal, but very inefficiently

[tranquil harbor]

They're like 60 feet long, your sky kid is actually very crap prey

[tulip aspen]

hmm, kinda true, you lose your flame, so it's more like they put out your flame

your core Light, your "star", is shown being threatened to be damaged when your flame is out, but instead of it being damaged your winged light takes the blows and get knocked out of you

without any winged light, you have no shield to protect your "star", and you get sent to the pity room

[tranquil harbor]

The wings protect you from death

[tulip aspen]

yes, so if anything, the krill should be eating the winged light, but.... it doesnt

[rustic heron]

The pityroom is close to home space. They exist in the same place.

[tulip aspen]

oh wow really?

[rustic heron]

Yup. Wingless glitches ely on this locality to work. Try honking in pity room, and sometimes you can see your friends' names that are in homespace.

[broken badger]

Maybe krills dont want your light but just once you gone

[tulip aspen]

are they above?

or somewhere in the horizon

[tranquil harbor]

They're big and go after prey by zeroing in and then diving, while winged light decays quickly. They might not have time to readjust and grab the lights. But ALSO, your kid still has way more winged light then whatever is on the ground. If I have 70 winged lights, what does the krill want to go for the 3 scattered 20 feet in all directions?

Also, like, if they're animals, there is a half decent chance they're dumb

[rustic heron]

To the side, but far off.

[tulip aspen]

wow thats kinda cool

[tranquil harbor]

swim all the way to the pity room

[rustic heron]

You can warp there with som clever table glitches.

[tranquil harbor]

The krill look around if you hide behind a rock like 'where prey go?' and leave, that doesn't scream intelligence to me

[broken badger]

I mean maybe since living in such a polluted place and only have one exposed eye it can damage the brain

[tranquil harbor]

What like Koalas?

[compact shale]

there are glitches that make krill do things that make them seem smarter than they really are

[broken badger]

But thats why they have ther light and stuff because wasteland is dark and depressing 😕

[tranquil harbor]

I wonder if the creature the krill came from also did that or if it's a special corrupted adaptation to help the krill find prey

[rustic heron]

Found the Austalian.

[broken badger]

Maybe it was good but the eden cahnged the enter sky kingdom

[tranquil harbor]

I'm not Australian I just learned about koalas.

Back on track: Maybe the krill always came from a predator species, the people just weren't its prey

[rustic heron]

So, how many of you have played Journey? This is relevant, trust me.

[tranquil harbor]

-raises hand-

[broken badger]

Like everything changed including some creatures

[rustic heron]

So you remember the War Machines, right? What if Krill are Sky's war machines?

[tranquil harbor]

They are gameplay wise but the war machines are actual machines while the krill are corrupted

[solemn jewel]

Helloo, Today is double season Candles day?

[tranquil harbor]

every day is double seasonal candle day

[rustic heron]

Some Journey Theories surmise that the War machines have carpet inside of them, specifically the carpet whales.

[tranquil harbor]

so like a trained guard dog that keeps going even after its master dies

[compact shale]

The war machines are unfriendly vaccuum cleaners /j

[rustic heron]

By extension, wrapping whatever a Krill was in Darkstone armor that sucjs its light and drives it crazy, forcing it to patrol in a specific patterns...

Exactly, you got my point. Krill are just large light creatures wrapped in darkstone armor.

[tranquil harbor]

they're definitely corrupted too tho

[rustic heron]

The darkstone armor is the corruption. Darkstone is linked to corruption and pollution throughout SKy.

[broken badger]

They sound very mechanical

[tranquil harbor]

I always thought they were yelling but they're inhaling

[tulip aspen]

dont you mean guardians

[tranquil harbor]

they kinda sound like cicadas, or crickets when they rub their legs. They have so many legs so I thought it was just them making extra noises that way

[rustic heron]

They have multiple names, including Krill.

[broken badger]

Lol there inhaling that nice sweet sky light

[tranquil harbor]

Krill are technically Dark Dragons, so it's fine if we call guardians war machines

[tranquil harbor]

begone foul baby munchers

[rustic heron]

It's actually theorized that Krill hate light; that's why you never find theme anywhere with direct sunlight. They can't handle the light.

[broken badger]

Makes sense thou

[tranquil harbor]

That would explain the sunlight over the ark. It's to protect the place from the krill nearby

[broken badger]

When they shout it sounds like more like pain

[tranquil harbor]

it just sounds like a clap that echos, is this the right clip? or maybe a box being dropped

[compact shale]

where are you getting these from

[rustic heron]

They made them

[wanton robin]

Okay everyone it's about the concept not the art itself (I never draw ) @tranquil harbor

[tranquil harbor]

Hey, I'm a moth+ by now how dare /j

[rustic heron]

Scuffed Kid.

[broken badger]

Maybe your theory is on to something because maybe the scream because they realize we are light and that why dont eat the dropped winged light

[compact shale]

oh great, anguished screams

[tranquil harbor]

-shakes fist- I have other cosmetics!

[broken badger]

https://youtu.be/CVrEloHx_RU

[wanton robin]

Lolol I just did moth bcs considered cosmetics? At 4 am (for me)? No thank yoh

[tranquil harbor]

So what's the concept because bruh I forgot what we talked about (there have been many topics tonight)

[wanton robin]

Moss kid

[broken badger]

Krills

[tranquil harbor]

I see it now. Lack of colors and various topics made me confused at first, but it's obvious now.

[wanton robin]

I drew it and it isn't obvious to me Thank you!

[tranquil harbor]

It looks like something is growing on the kid (or they've gotten covered in frosting)

[rustic heron]

Sky kids have ears and noses.

[tranquil harbor]

but the blurb says they're hungry for light... where is the middle ground

[wanton robin]

Fair. Regardless thanks! The reference I used had neither,,

[rustic heron]

Hungry is used figuratively here, as in they are looking for it, not literally as in they eat the light.

[broken badger]

Maybe the light helps them

[tranquil harbor]

That was a train of thought a couple of minutes ago

[broken badger]

I dont know how but maybe light doesn't hurt them but heal?

[tranquil harbor]

Seriously, that was legit the theory a bit ago, that they're trying to restore themselves this way

[broken badger]

Let me explain

Light could heal them because they could've been poisoned and that why the go crazy when they us

They want the light to heal them so they maybe escape wasteland

[broken badger]

Welp i guess not really new theory:/

[compact shale]

Yeah that's one possibility

[tranquil harbor]

It doesn't matter if it's new, it's an alternative idea regardless, which helps stimulate the conversation

[broken badger]

Yeah totally agree

[pastel brook]

[tranquil harbor]

I feel like that emote is gonna give me a seizure or something...

[broken badger]

My head hurts

Curse you doodle bot

THEORY: daylight wasn't always daylight prairie?

Possibley nightlight?!!

[tranquil harbor]

Take the shot

[broken badger]

Victim spotted

Im gone

Goodnight or morning where ever you are on this ghetto place

[tranquil harbor]

Sleep tight

[tulip aspen]

yep, and (at least in some theories) that applies to all instances!

did you make that??????

[rustic heron]

No, I found it on Google.

[compact shale]

how in the great green earth do you find ayin sniper on GOOGLE?!

[delicate anvil]

Btw do we have any idea what these glowing orbs in that one cave in isle are?

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[opal venture]

Do we already have smth about this little gem? The one all(?) the pants have

[exotic shuttle]

@rustic heron Some of your posts have been removed The Sky server is a family-friendly server so depictions of weapons, especially firearms, are not appropriate

[compact shale]

edit: I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE GEM THE ABYSS CAPES HAVE IM SORRY

@ocean wigeon What's that?

[gritty oracle]

What is the world of Sky called?

[harsh pecan]

Sky Kingdom? There isnt an official name as far as Im aware

[harsh pecan]

Whats this

[half shadow]

I think it’s just apart of all sky kids, it shows their inner light

[tulip aspen]

i think it's a fluffy manta lol

also i was confused too

[harsh pecan]

I think I can see it now

[boreal nebula]

Wooly Manta

I was hoping to see a Sky turtle in the flesh

[boreal nebula]

Recently there is a behaviour (e bug maybe) of them bonking into solid objects even a simple lamp ♟️

[compact shale]

Wooly manta headcanon: They rely entirely on wind currents to fly. If there aren't any, they'll roll around on the ground like tumbleweeds.

[nimble ingot]

Are they mantas that got a bit of an electical shock?

[compact shale]

who knows

||maybe?||

[nimble ingot]

I am wondering if the valley colours were accidentally mixed up.

Red or blue, I am still confused. The racing gates has red on the left and blue on the right.
But then the coliseum has red on the right and blue on the left.

Is that intentional or are the colours meant to represent the different halves of the kingdom (the high society of the citadel and the downtown of dream village).

I notice the dream season has a red theme in its cosmetics and the entrance is the red gate.
So, would red then be the lower society, while the blue was reserved for those of the citadel?

[harsh pecan]

Oh my god thats so cute

[harsh pecan]

I think so

[static meteor]

considering that blue is the same color as vault and the uncharged darkstone, it's not a stretch

[late wasp]

the new season will improve on that. i used to think the same, but looks like that's not the case.

[nimble ingot]

A little bit on the nose.
||I am aware, but rather would like to wait till the season is announced at least.||

[late wasp]

either way, the blue exit from the colosseum is still inaccessible, but it'll also lead downwards, considering we can't see any mountains on that side of the colosseum while we descend towards it ||and tgc is very unlikely to block the view on the future||

[nimble ingot]

I am a bit miffed of how the dream boats connect to the coliseum.
From the coliseum, you go through the red gate and straight to the platform in dream village.
However, from dream village, the boats go past the part where the red gate would be (which is not visible), and instead go under the bridge towards the left (blue). Where the skykids are somehow teleported to the right side (red).

Either there was a minor miscommunication on how the boats would link up, or the red and blue indicators are inconsistent.
Perhaps both.

[boreal nebula]

That is one leading Theory

I forget with who I discussed, but we sort of called Mantatee (Manta + Manatee) just because I pointed out how it moves weirdly, sortof like a seal or dugon of the antic lands (even if Manatee ≠ Dugong IRL as shown in this picture from this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/JustKeepThinkingsg/photos/dont-dugong-gong-mistake-these-two-marine-mammals-manatee-sorry/500734841293497/ )

That aside a concept art shared with us on this channel showed that creature to have familiar horns in a storyboard of the Trailer

Also Mantatee seems to fly / float close to the ground

But anyway give me time to find the storyboard

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Here is the first time I saw the storyboard, but i cannot find the original link in pins

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
And here is how Kamilico pictured it could look (fanart)

[boreal nebula]

Duh! It was listed inside
Collection of concept art for trailer right after a link for the released Switch Trailer
https://m.imgur.com/a/gTwMHrL

Interesting similarity I spotted on this concept art about the background/land of Swich Trailer

Maybe it's just a coinvidence, but a Megabird river would look nice ingame
From mathiaszamecki's Instagram page. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CSZhz0fq-Oh/)

[soft timber]

I heard and read a debate of one person saying that the skykids are actually kids and another person saying the characters actual age is up for interpretation, I wonder what is the thoughts and reasoning behind both if someone would explain each if they don't mind

[compact shale]

I think that might be related to skykid art that is... Questionable????

[dapper pagoda]

i mean my reason is that one

in the words of dermelles, it is purposely not stated so that players can interpretate it. also, "skychildren" technically means "children of the sky" or "the sky's child"

"skykid" can be said the same way" just replace " child/children with "kid/kids"

@compact shale it is not, while some specific ocs/skychildren may be over 18, we know most are at least under 17, making that """"art"""" illegal... where did you even find that anyways????

[compact shale]

China?

[dapper pagoda]

what

[soft timber]

This is reasonable, since it was never stated that people can interpret

[rigid mural]

yall i am begging you to please not talk about adult content in that game, especially when it involves sky children

[dapper pagoda]

just search "up to interpretation" and you'll find several messages saying the devs said that

[dapper pagoda]

i did not even bring it up

[rigid mural]

Did I mention you tho

[dapper pagoda]

i mean, "guys" means everyone in chat so

[rigid mural]

Yeah. Because you're engaging with the topic.

[frigid tinsel]

Not saying the devs are the word of god but this reminded me of something.
They’re kids.

[soft timber]

I'm just simply asking about the whole interpretation part of skykids because I was curious

[dapper pagoda]

FINALLY

AN ANSWER

I CAN FINALLY STOP LOOKING FOR IT

[dapper pagoda]

this begs the question

are adult ocs bad?? i know a few peeps w adult ocs

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t think it’s bad but moreso what they’re doing with adult skykid OCs

I just pulled an all-nighter, why am I engaging with this topic

[soft timber]

Also, who and why is there pregnant jokes of these characters? This absolutely never crossed my mind about the whole interpretation thing

[dapper pagoda]

that's agreeable

per say, skychildren can be any age, but will always pertain the "minor" status (also, can we shift the inappropriate stuff outta here??? i don't want anyone, including myself, to get whacked)

like, they're stars, right? thousands of years old yet babey

[rigid mural]

Depends what you use them for, I refer to my ocs as "sky folks" to denote they are old and much more experienced than your average sky child and thus can handle rougher terrains (such as extended stays in Eden).

The topic of age gets really squicky because of what it entails afterwards to some folks... hence my preventive message because it wouldn't be the first time.

[sharp lichen]

Good morning! Oh wow that was a lot of backreading

[dapper pagoda]

can we also just note that most spirits are adults

[compact shale]

I'll actually draw this when I have the time

[frigid tinsel]

I just pulled an all-nighter, I’m gonna sleep on a wooly manta

[rigid mural]

Wooly manta always has room for cuddles and sleepy lore theorists.

[dapper pagoda]

imagine you're just trying to relive a spirit. another spirit picks you up

"It's bedtime" and throws you back to home

^^^ this is now real sky canon /j

[frigid tinsel]

That assumes all adults are responsible which is not true

[soft timber]

I enjoy having to hear about everybody's thoughts about all of this, thank you!

[compact shale]

If a spirit wanted to adopt us I wouldn't mind as long as they're relatively good at parenting hddhhsdufjb

[dapper pagoda]

the superhero stance would not be a good parent

HOLDS YOU OFF OF EDGE ABOUT TO FALL OFF "haha. i am so looking cool rn with my child"

[queen pike]

citadel doesn't seem like much of a city to me... just a bunch of walls and towers

[compact shale]

As the skykid makes car key noises trying to get out

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant

[dapper pagoda]

"jingle noises"

"be quiet child. you are looking cool with me"

[queen pike]

mhm

[soft timber]

Literally one false move from being a body off the mountain

[frigid tinsel]

ik the focus is the spirit memory but it looks like my skid is so perturbed by the skid in their cape and the moth trying to light them

[dapper pagoda]

knowing sky's physics the skychild would infinitely circle the underground area

[rigid mural]

One of my favorite spirit memories

[frigid tinsel]

it’s so 🥺

[soft timber]

High speeds too

[raw crypt]

confident sightseer the beloved

[compact shale]

Would you let Ushering Stargazer and/or Rejecting Voyager adopt you?

[rigid mural]

Without a doubt.

[compact shale]

Really? Even though they may or may not have kickstarted Resh's path to indignity?

[raw crypt]

yeah

[compact shale]

Do you wish to become the second coming of Resh

[rigid mural]

why not

[raw crypt]

Rip to resh but im different

[rustic heron]

I’m curious. What makes you think so? I’m not seeing the correlation myself.

[hushed steeple]

Resh had too many parents to blame just 2

[rustic heron]

I’ve always thought that Resh was doomed from the start. I imagine that he simply couldn’t unite the Elders, as much as he tried. They remember and respect Resh, but not each other.

The inability to do as he once did, to unite the Light and the Elders, pushed him to greater and greater extremes, until finally Eden happened.

I can’t imagine what it must have been like, being the core vessel through which all divinity flowed. Perhaps Eden was just his way of feeling that again, feeling the flight of the spirits as he once felt the flight of all creatures of light.

But it simply was never to be again.

[full saddle]

Heyyy Lorechat🥰🥰🥰

[sharp lichen]

hello Laura

[full saddle]

How's everyone today?

[formal skiff]

I had a bit of an epiphany last night about Eden.

Symbols! We know ‘em, we love ‘em, we learned about ‘em in Humanities class. Most of them have a huge variety of meanings, but there are a select few which almost always mean the same things… and mountains are one of them.

Mountains basically always represent closeness to divinity. Think of any ancient epic or even a modern novel. If a character is climbing a mountain, they’re achieving closeness to some kind of divine power. To me, this makes me all the more certain that Eden was an attempt to help the ancestors ascend and reach Megabird. I know this was already basically the presiding theory, but I personally think the symbolic connection only solidifies it.

[formal skiff]

Pretty good, just came back from an animation class! How about you?

[full saddle]

Just thought I'd read a bit around here to see new theories :>

[formal skiff]

Ah, a favorite pastime of mine :>

[full saddle]

Aaaa I never got to told you that you can always send me your theories around sky , I'd be more than pleased to hear them

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I like this theory a lot. Some examples include the Mahabharata, Journey, and potentially Celeste?

[formal skiff]

I don’t generally theorize much, still kind of a loremoff, but I should be able to answer some questions, as I’ve absorbed many of the current theories here :)

[full saddle]

Understandable

[sharp lichen]

One theory I've always had is that the four Prophecy spirits were sort-of supernatural and came to the Sky world far before any other spirit. There's also the theory that we are the Chosen One, because the music track that plays when we complete the four trials is "fulfillment", implying that the prophecy has been fulfilled.

[full saddle]

Lowkey gives me a theory but I need to put it together first

[sharp lichen]

Beware of Prophecy lore! It's complex, confusing, and messy. The more hands on deck, the better!

[rustic heron]

Hello, are you willing to become a Blessing Theory Acolyte?

[full saddle]

Sure :D

[rustic heron]

Yessss.

Blessing theory is hinged on the notion that the magic system of Sky is based around blessings, aka spells/potions/scrolls. Blessings are made of darkstone, and by some mechanism and once infused with light, they are able to be cast as magic.

Blessings are diverse, and can do many things, from changing the environment to changing one’s own body, to something as simple as making fireworks.

However, the crux of the theory hinges on the notion that the giant diamond in Eden is actually a massive blessing that was an attempt to cast an enormous flight spell that would, effectively give all Ancestors the ability to fly. This backfired and would eventually lead to the downfall of the entire civilisation.

As to why this happened is something I haven’t quite cemented yet. It could be that the enormous flight blessing gifted flight to Ancestors by killing them, thereby freeing their spirits which are able to fly.

Other alternatives are that, in sucking up all the energy in the Eden light beam, the Ancestors were unable to connect to the Light anymore, and civilisation crumbled.

We do know of some beings who were given the power of flight: the sky kids. The Eden flight blessing lead to our eventual ability to fly, and it was likely that the King was gifted the ability to fly, but this also caused his death. The result was many flight-capable Sky kids.

The implications of this is that the voice in Isle is the King, who would be the only one who knew of the purpose of the Eden failed flight blessing, and thus knew we, his descendants, would be able to fly.

[sharp lichen]

lapis has made better theories in 2 months than i have in 12 months

[broken badger]

Hello 😃

[grim cradle]

Hey

[broken badger]

Seems likea lot went down

[grim cradle]

Any theories about the giant bones in graveyard and vault?

[frigid tinsel]

Light creatures who died an “unnatural” death

[rustic heron]

I didn't make the theory. I looked at the game and what it presented, and tried to connect as many of the pieces together as possible. I use evidence to make a theory, I don't make a theory and look for evidence to prove it.

It's just the scientific method. Try this and see if you discover something as well.

[sharp lichen]

that's just a theory lapis my brain hurts

[rustic heron]

Make it hurt more. It's like Psyduck: the more severe the headache, the greater your mental prowess.

It's like muscle development. Your muscles ache from working out, and then they heal and become bigger and stronger. Same thing with your brain.

[frigid tinsel]

That’s just Sky lore for ya

[rustic heron]

We make big brains here in lorechat. It's a constant mental workout.

[broken badger]

Ok so most of us agree that the land of Sky is a far off place secluded from the rest of the world, populated with millions of skykids made out of clay, with an inner core of light.

The reason why water affects their clay bodies is that water melts it(in some areas such as golden or hidden), slowing it and taking their energy

while light and flame hardens and increases their star power. It only logical if think of clay in real life because water makes clay soft but when near a heat source

(Lapis please add on or say something because my finger tired)

[rustic heron]

You know, I hadn't thought if there were other continents/lands on the world of Sky. Are there, and if so do they even care what happened in Eden?

[frigid tinsel]

One critique: Where did this idea that water “melts” clay come from? Not the first time I heard this. Water can soften clay, but skykids’ bodies are already hard and harden clay doesn’t dissolve?

[frigid tinsel]

The rest of the world saw what happened at the Sky kingdom and decided “ye not gonna touch that.”

[rustic heron]

That's true; earthen clay pots used to hold water and fermented drinks in ancient times.

I mean, brick is hardened clay, and we use that everywhere.

[broken badger]

Not like melt but soften thats what meant

[tulip aspen]

i think fruity said it once as shower thought but it never left anywhere, and it seems like a trend that people will continue to come up with that for some reason, we'll just let it pan out

[frigid tinsel]

I mean it’s not the first time I’ve seen it: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZAMiIvPnRT/

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[frigid tinsel]

It’s Instagram, not a... ughhhh skybot

[tulip aspen]

I've always wondered if that artist got that from us lol

[tulip aspen]

@rustic heron , you know what to do

[wanton robin]

If sky kids are already hardened clay, then maybe by the time we get to forest and wasteland we have hairline cracks and the water seeps in and disrupts the inners?

[boreal nebula]

Definitely looks like that spirit is a bit too off the edge of the cliff
Well, if you think about it, that should never be an action to do near the edge of anything 😅

Anyway, TGC should really tweak a bit that placement far from the edge

[broken badger]

I dknt think we disslove or soften

[tulip aspen]

i wonder if the mods will murder you for that, they better not

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve seen the clay theory discussed on Reddit and that artist posts there too. Definitely some osmosis between here and the subreddits

[broken badger]

In water because because in hidden we do but in daylight we dont, or like vault has some water and are perfectly fine

But then golden water is obviously terrible in many ways because of eden destruction

Manbye it could be the environment or the air or something to do with change

[tulip aspen]

lowkey extremely cool tbh

[frigid tinsel]

I think when we say “clay” there’s a ton of different ideas in mind that we don’t address. Clay can manifest in a variety of ways from soft and moldable to hard and stiff. Then the composition of clay can vary, changing its properties somewhat. Obviously we’re dealing with magic too which complicates things. We also have to content with idea competing ideas as well (havent added the meteroite idea). At least in my anatomy doc, I’m clarifying I mean hardened clay but magic-induced

[rustic heron]

Or Ancestors and Skykids are like crabs and Krills, and have hard outer shells like crusteceans.

[tulip aspen]

1. your doc is awesome
2. clay was also mentioned in the concepts, as well as fruity putting forward clay would be the softest and most malleable material when it comes to heat (from Light energy) which i why i have always said clay

in general, we shouldn't make any specific statement too focused on the material because

1. it shouldn't matter and
2. we dont know enough

which is why in most of my docs i will say the skykids are made of "earthen material", nothing more, nothing less

[tulip aspen]

yep that's actually a conclusion I've come to; they're all hardshells with light inside

[rustic heron]

What if Sky kids are just older crabs?

[frigid tinsel]

Where is clay mentioned in the concepts? I haven’t heard of that.

[boreal nebula]

Yesterday I wa lucky enough to get the color alteration bug/glitch before the update was pushed down to me

And one of the little things it inspired me was this simple question....

Why we say King and not Queen?

Fun idea , thanks to pink murals

[tulip aspen]

charcoal and ash represented the elders and ancestors respectively, there was one skykid concept denoting it's color palettes and visual themes and registered clay as a factor @frigid tinsel

[rustic heron]

That was one of the first things I brought up in lorechat.

The consensus is that the concepts call out a King.

[broken badger]

But not a queen?

[rustic heron]

They do not.

[boreal nebula]

Don't mid that mural teal , it is in front of the air stream, all kind of dust, even behind my footsteps had a teal shift in colors

[broken badger]

Tbh I also whys thought there was a ruler but I didnt want to assume genders

[boreal nebula]

Earth Trial light was finally GREEN! 💚💚

[frigid tinsel]

In Sky, king is gender neutral

[silk needle]

slayy 💅✨
Material gworl

[boreal nebula]

Well, concept art mentioned it to be a King, but weird enough, since he is not in the canon of the game, we could call it queen or simply Ruler

[rustic heron]

We could. I agree. But it'll be harder to convince others.

[boreal nebula]

anyway, just a joke I got from this cool bug

but food for thoughts

Beware the evil Turtle

[silk needle]

the ruler dude is a material gworl? We stan

[broken badger]

Well technically spirits are kinda like souls(in my opinion)
And we eont know the genders of those spirits and we are assuming by hair style or clothes and etc

[frigid tinsel]

There’s also the concept of “genderfunking” (can’t say the actual term cos censor) where:

gendered expectations are deliberately played with to combine gender specific signals (like wearing a skirt and a beard), sometimes to make it difficult to distinguish ones own gender
Since nobody is Sky has a gender, this can happen here

[broken badger]

Exactly

[frigid tinsel]

I’ll look into it

[boreal nebula]

Dust I mentioned

Eden was surprisingly teal

[frigid tinsel]

Y’all get really cool looking lighting glitches, meanwhile mjne just looked like void hell

[half shadow]

oh i got that freaky blue glitch in the forest it was kinda awesome

[broken badger]

This topic going to be hard because some of us believe there 16+ genders when other believe its like only 4 or 5 or even 1

Many may think there non binary or trans or just no gender

(I believe theres only 2 genders)

[frigid tinsel]

ew, a transphobe

[half shadow]

well, I think you’ll find that the concept of gender is much more broad and diverse throughout many other cultures. the idea of the two distinct, binary genders is something that just isn’t true. gender is a social construct imposed upon people that they either choose to preform or can reject. it’s a form of self expression, and thus is able to shift and bend to whatever an individual feels is correct.

also, many, many people in this server are transgender, including non-binary.

[frigid tinsel]

Besides, devs have said many times that the beings of Sky are genderless

[half shadow]

Canonically, the devs say that there is no gender in sky. there are no boys or girls, they’re just spirits and elders. so if you continue to subscribe to the idea that there are only two binary genders, the entire game of Sky is directly opposed to that philosophy and I encourage you look into that

[broken badger]

I agree with fish

[half shadow]

do you agree with what I said before? because I certainly don’t agree with you when you say you believe in “only two genders.” i’m trans myself

[formal skiff]

oh what do you think of me then

[lean siren]

gender is a spectrum

[half shadow]

this topic is a nuanced one and difficult to grasp if you’ve not already been exposed to the idea so it’s understandable if you feel confusion. however there are plenty of sources available to you to educate yourself and I encourage you to do so before continuing to believe what you do

[frigid tinsel]

There are as many genders as there are colors and every time you complain, we add 5 more

[lean siren]

also if we are talking biological there are still more than 2 gender intersex exist yknow

[broken badger]

Thats true because a man can be pregnant I heard it on the news before

[half shadow]

you’ll also find that nobody here has any trouble discussing the topic of gender in Sky. we all pretty much universally agree upon its gender-neutrality and even when talking about the King theres an understanding that whoever they are, they were not male, and “King” is gender neutral.

[formal skiff]

can confirm, the reason i'm nonbinary is that someone complained and so we were obligated to add five more. and so i was chosen by the gender gods to be the vessel for one of the five new genders.

[half shadow]

||i think that this person might be pretty young as well||

[lean siren]

vela coming in clutch with the wooly manta

[white junco]

sorry your gender is not as spicy and cool as mine, hope you get better 🙏

[half shadow]

el woowoo manta

[frigid tinsel]

In those cases, pregnant men are transgender men who maintain their natal reproductive parts post-transition. Look into Thomas Beatie for an example

[rustic heron]

I don't think Lil is a transphobe. The concept of the varied multiplicity of gender is difficult to understand, and there are entire fields of study that focus on the conceptualization of gender and how it applies to different cultures.

It is understandably difficult to understand an entire culture who dfocuses on the multiplicity of gender when you come from one that only recognizes two.

[rigid mural]

I think noncis people are epic and cis people can cope.