lore-discussion-spoilers

[queen pike]

hm. perhaps an extinct species of light creature?

[delicate anvil]

Maybe
could be similar to something like the big whale we see on sanctuary maybe?

[queen pike]

or the one between valley and wasteland

[delicate anvil]

Ohh yeah those exist too
The size wouldn't be far off, at least

[half shadow]

Real life manta rays actually do have rib cages and bones, technically, so they could be from a manta variant. It’s also been stated by devs before that the bones being left behind indicate a violent death for the creature.

[queen pike]

a larger version of the quad-wing mantas?

[delicate anvil]

Yeah ik, what i meant was that such big rib cages would be a little huge for flat mantas

[half shadow]

Perhaps it came from something like the coelacanth, the head shape is sorta similar

[distant turtle]

This skeleton does match a creature from the game. It has the same face as this whale which has a bony face too. I don’t have pics handy but they are a match.

[half shadow]

Whales and mantas may be connected though, just not sure how

[delicate anvil]

Maybe

[queen pike]

hmmmmmmmmm

[distant turtle]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[half shadow]

Yooo that’s the best shot of the canth i’ve ever seen

[cyan berry]

indeed

[delicate anvil]

Where even is that ingame?? /genq

[formal skiff]

IT ISSSS

[half shadow]

I believe that’s from the Wasteland’s entrance, somebody must have oob’d to get closer

[delicate anvil]

Ahh i see

[distant turtle]

Or it could be from under the bottom of Underground Cavern!

[half shadow]

Oh true!

[delicate anvil]

My question now would just be how did they die, especially in forest, considering there aren't major threats

[distant turtle]

My only answer is that the development timeline and concept art tells of a “first battle” that took place in Forest, where creatures attacked ancestors because of darkstone technology absorbing too much light.

There’s the timeline, and then some concept art for the Forest level that mentions something like “remnants of the first battle” or “evidence of the first battle”

[delicate anvil]

Ah okay, i guess that makes sense-

[rigid mural]

I think the Gratitude spirits are linked to candles

• red/white dominant color in masks (with gold details to symbolize light ?)
• most of them have bells, one of which does the exact same sound as the jingle that plays when your sky kid is taking an IAP you bought.
• the whole association with days of fortune

[keen shore]

It took me a second to realize you meant floating there in the form of the soul star we become in Eden, and not t posing and levitating to our destination

Probably this guy, judging by the horns and general face shape

[keen shore]

Oooohhhj this is interesting…. where do you think they take place on your timeline? [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] <- For quick refs

I don’t remember any crossovers involving gratitude [except maybe one of the spirits in hermits memory but I might be misidentifying them]. I also don’t know the gratitude spirits that well, though..

[rigid mural]

I like assuming spirits from the same season know eachother; gratitude spirits look like they are a group, band or troupe, so I assume they are all contemporaries of the leaping dancer.

[keen shore]

I definitely agree with wanting them all to exist at the same time, I would probably assume that’s the case unless we see evidence that’s it’s not. It just seems like the obvious course of action especially since they appeared together in days of fortune, makes it seem like they know each other

[tulip aspen]

i want to animate that

[formal skiff]

The T-posing?

[keen shore]

Please do. If you decide to, please include confused spirits getting summoned from the gravestones and watching us do it as well

[formal skiff]

YES YES YES

[gray lantern]

That is so cool

[compact shale]

Remember the screaming spirit Graves from the first Abyss trailer?

[cunning shell]

Hello, lore chat I’ve got a question for y’all

I’ve been playing around with the idea of a “Season of Creativity” and kind of just messing around in my imagination. So my question is… where would it be set? If it’s about freedom/self expression/exploration/creativity, it doesn’t seem like it would fit well with any of the realms. Maybe somewhere between Wasteland and Vault?

TLDR: where would a bunch of artist spirits hang out and develop their crafts together?

[tulip aspen]

prolly valley, but I'm thinking like classical artisonry, which prolly isn't the joyful colorful vibe you may want

[boreal nebula]

Late, I Know ...
But I think those always have that dress silhouette, no?

[lusty meadow]

It's honestly giving me Isle

I'm not really sure why, but a quite sandy area that was once rich with resources and currently riddled with a couple hidden spots makes it seem so perfect

An artists hideaway from the average reality

Side note: I'm not the best with knowing the lore itself as everyone has said so much, but I enjoy looking at world details and adding on to them

[cunning shell]

Isle would be an interesting place for it. I was kind of thinking just a general hodgepodge of art in general. But… a pretty hodgepodge my fake spirits are currently a messy artist, a steampunk larper, a glassblower, a one man band, and a writer/narrator. So it’s… not coordinated at all haha

[rigid mural]

do they ? might have to wear different pants next time i show up

[foggy lotus]

valley , prairie or something

[lusty meadow]

Saying that a couple of those can require sand it's an interesting fit

Sand art is pretty common
Glass was once sand
And old methods of creating paper included sand for the drying if I remember correctly

Also that sounds like it'd be a cool season

[hushed steeple]

Ooh wish it's praire the tree temple place right side is completely empty also the 8ppl place the whole empty space,the bird nest down side could be a reverse world ,the left open sea down there has potential to be related to current season though

[frigid tinsel]

Valley was an urban center and urban places tend to hosts a lot of artists. Prairie could work too, environmentally at least.

[keen shore]

My first guess is Isle because of all the murals but valley is a close second :-)

[boreal nebula]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@rigid mural my old screenshot used for a Naruto joke here in Lore

I think they had to look a bit like Tibetan monks with this dress, maybe something devs desided to Leave unchanged

[rigid mural]

Aw ! Thought I was onto something. Well now I guess I'm not obligated to consider sky kids shards of one being and can revert back to my much cooler former theory !

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, a lhood that looks like something else from behind would look cool !

it sort of reminds me of some kind of preys animals who has weird face like patterns on their back as a defensive mechanism (maybe a caterpillar too)

Although such features are part of a passive evolution it would be nice to see if in sky Ancestors did that clothings on purpose To avoid predators (wish there could be some ingame species they get the inspiration from )

[compact shale]

Wait what's the context of this?

[rigid mural]

I thought the orbit skids wearing dresses was because i was wearing a forest dress

[compact shale]

What's the actual reason then?

[boreal nebula]

One of my shortest living theory was when I thought these symbols could be used as numbers (for a counting base from 1 to 8, four one one side and four upside down, like 9 and 6)

But from someone pointed out how the "four brackets" and "four diamonds" are too simmetrical to work like 9 & 6

[boreal nebula]

Maybe just a tibetan monk silhouette left by devs from old concepts (easy to pass unnoticed too)

I sometimes wonder if a triangular tube IRL would sounds so good as in Sky's flutes

Cannot rememberif shared this

Days Ago I easily got this close to the Whale (I didnt even need to flap between the two screenshots, too busy to move aim the camera to snap the 2nd shot)

[boreal nebula]

"Golden Containers" reacts to the spike of energy from geyser and its satellite mini craters

Which make me think, EITHER they feel a strong magnetic field from the geyser and minicraters
OR mini craters are buried goldens who get a stronger resonance nd keep water evaporation 🔀 longer time than hot air "smoke" ⤴️

In any case the goldens had some electromagnetic function for Ancestor

[deep osprey]

I thought they were oil containers

[boreal nebula]

Saving just the last fallen statue to get this close view of the "red giant diamond" in Eden

We litterally know nothing for sure , but gold seems used in various machines as conduict as bells rotating and giant "dynamo" in Forest Temple

Dam, I wish Dismissing Protector could had given us one as a prop with a name and a functionality. I hate keep calling it container or diamond (there are too many diamonds shapes in Sky

@deep osprey

[deep osprey]

I mean, the shipwreck has them, it'll explain why the Geyser is polluted

[lusty meadow]

I have this decent screenie of them

(Sky kid blurred because I'm in beta and wearing stuff that may be altered)

[compact shale]

Protect yall'z identities everyone! :D

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, what is your explaination for that "smoke" durimg geyser time, then? I
FEEL FREE to ping I might read it tomorrow

[lusty meadow]

Sky identity theft oh no

[deep osprey]

Maybe the oil is magic and acts up every hour? Sounds weird but isn't everything else also weird at this point?

[deep osprey]

Or maybe, as the Geyser heats up, it also heats up the oil which produces smoke?

[boreal nebula]

Uncensore it, quick! We wan to seeee... nah just kidding..

Thx for the consideration

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, but there are those in forest temple too (misplaced from their slots) and no sign of oil there

Anyway, thx. Any thwory could be good enough with little we know about those golden X (~~for X whatever things they are ~~ because phone producers taught us everything is cooler with a X in their names )

[compact shale]

Nettelz uncensored ||/j|| (not mine, made by Luni)

[deep osprey]

Forest is the industrial heart of the sky kingdom, besides, not all oil has to be spilling from the container.

[lusty meadow]

I'VE BEEN EXPOSED OH NO

[boreal nebula]

It CANON *CANNON be unseen

[deep osprey]

You mean "cannon", not "canon"

[lusty meadow]

||Canon because it's now official, or should I say officeal /j||

[deep osprey]

We need MatPat here. He would know what to do.

[compact shale]

We are afraid that MatPat will mess it up again

[formal skiff]

Lorechat can do this! We know Sky WAY better than MatPat would!

[harsh pecan]

The true canon lore

[deep osprey]

Matpat was here?

[sharp lichen]

I’d like to see MatPat cover Sky just for the absolute hilarity of it

[deep osprey]

Every word that MatPat says is what I consider fact.

[compact shale]

Yeah same but

the rumors of the other lore fandoms are concerning

edit: yeah it's probably gonna become an inside joke huh

[harsh pecan]

What’d they say?

[lusty meadow]

Lore fandoms are terrifying as honk

(Looks around anxiously)

Like I said, terrifying

But interesting

[keen shore]

What is the former theory I Need to know

[maiden fog]

I would say Isle of Dawn because its where we are introduced to so much cave art and the overall area is an unpainted dessert with a litteral hidden rainbow 🌈. It basically screams unseen potential.

[maiden fog]

Makes sense as it seems to be connected to some energy source and Gold is a good conductor of energy, specifially electricity but im sure other forms of every as well. Seeing as the vents at gyser have steam it suggests that that is unerdround water falling onto an extreme heat source like lava. Geothermal energy is heat/energy generated undergound. Maybe Geothermal energy is a form of energy that can be conducted though gold somehow. Idk.

[rigid mural]

sky kids are reborn ancestors

[compact shale]

OOF

That AU is full of angst

Imagine when you're done Megabird is basically like "well done you saved yourselves lmao"

[harsh pecan]

so theyre reborn as children who have to save their fellow ancestors?

[rigid mural]

i just like it

[compact shale]

jsshdgnsga

[harsh pecan]

imagine if a spirit finds out a skid was their dead grandparent and they finally see them again, just in a different form

[rigid mural]

i headcanon the sky children lost almost everything from their ancestor existence, and the ancestors themselves cannot confidently identify them, but feel free to take my headcanon and fly away into fanfics because I'm a sucker for the angst potential

[harsh pecan]

nice

[compact shale]

I have an AU idea where the ancestors' souls were separated from their memories and bodies and when Megabird rebirthed them into skykids, they were just nobodies, not recognizing the memories they used to have until they bring it back to Megabird

[sharp lichen]

But imagine how funny it would be; hundreds of lore moffs trying to teach us Sky lore

[compact shale]

A "well then YOU be the teacher" moment

[keen shore]

I have two separate stories in my head for how sky works. The first is just canon chasing and it’s what I mostly talk about. The second is headcanon and for half of the ideas in it I literally just choose the angstiest option I can because I am Also a sucker for it

I might steal the ancestor idea for that

[compact shale]

AHAHAHSDHGA;SDGASGHN

edit: can relatee

[frigid tinsel]

this is why i really dislike the "skykids are ancestors (children) reborn" idea cos it falls under the memory loss trope I really dislike. makes me really uncomfortable. true, it brings a lot of angst and I like angst, but memories & experiences are so fundamental to identity and how one interacts & views the world. changing any of that changes what kind of person one is. losing that makes me uncomfortable.
if i had an angst limit, that's it.

also, in the perspective of canon chasing, I don't think it's true cos you see the spirits you save in Orbit every time you go to Orbit. they give you wing buffs. so if they were being reborn, they wouldn't be there. of course I'm biased in that thought.

[compact shale]

Well, I never said it was a theory. I said it was an AU idea. But yeah, fair.

[keen shore]

I don’t know if it has enough angst potential to rival my current headcanon [which side note. ignores a lot of things in canon so I’m not claiming it’s real] which is basically just that we’re the king reborn [alone] and have to slowly rediscover and fix what we did in our past life and that’s why a ton of spirits are initially cold towards us. Noncanon? Probably. Absolutely brutal? Yes and I love it

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, it is a valid thought. why aren't ancestors being reborn when it's implied that they could and used to be? what if they are being reborn but as skykids? or only ancestor children who died young and Megabird/the Light has a soft spot for them and gave them a "second chance"?

[compact shale]

What if they're being reborn as mantas /hj

[keen shore]

Oh? You like to drain manta like caprisun? Well now you ARE the manta. Suck it

[foggy lotus]

• intense manta call spam *

[rigid mural]

all going according to keikaku*

*: keikaku means plan

[frigid tinsel]

i do think the light cycle reuses light to make new beings, but the soul with the mind and memories stays in Orbit or subsumes into Megabird. light is merely the material that forms the body while the soul/mind is carried by it. soul/mind and body are separate.

[compact shale]

"Living to teach God" religion?

[frigid tinsel]

can be viewed that way but doesn't have to. like giving the soul a rest. but a valid thought considering if Megabird is a hivemind, collectivist or conformist.

[keen shore]

The only headcanons I outright dislike are probably people gendering spirits, anything revolving around skykids feeling romantic attraction (just freaks me out because they’re kids) and anything that connects skykids learning emotes to spirits to them somehow learning emotions and “”””becoming more human”””. I’m not going to shame anyone who believes them, each of them just makes me do a Very Specific Face for certain reasons

Aside from the various lapis foot theories but I don’t think anyone actually Bleieves those

Me trying to choose ideas for canon storyline: [writes an entire essay on how likely each possible option is]
Me picking ideas for headcanon storyline: Evil. I love it.

[sharp lichen]

With headcanons, you can essentially bend Sky’s setting to your own interests, completely ignoring any reasonable theory

[rigid mural]

concept megabird did absorb the experiences of a soul before sending it back to the world, so...

honestly didnt mean to do a cheap memory wipe, sorry if i irked you. i just went off what most reincarnations are in media where it's a new entity with something from one that was there but not anymore, and who lives on through the new entity

for the spirits in orbit, i'd say the reincarnation process is long, see how they are still travelling towards the light, and skids in that AU would be from ancestors that had a more normal passing

[rigid mural]

what if emotes taught them how to express and let out those emotions, i recall that convo and ppl often dont know NDs on the spectrum in fact feel a LOT they just have trouble processing it

[frigid tinsel]

yea if people gender the spirits, I'm not gonna throw a fit about it but I am going to scowl behind the screen and continue to use they/them pronouns for everyone. it is entertaining to see people gender spirits differently cos internally I think "TGC done good with the spirit designs."

also the "learning emotions to become more human" cliché is very ableist cos neurodivergent people who express emotions differently or don't express their emotions much at all are dehumanized as "not having emotions" or "unfeeling" or "lack empathy" when a neurotypical lens is applied to them, which is unapplicable to them thus will lead to misunderstandings, to put simply. as someone with the flat affect, I will speak out against that and have before here.

[formal skiff]

What I like to believe is that the souls/memories of the spirits have been stuck (with the body covered in that stuff) on the ground ever since they died, and they haven’t been able to ascend to Megabird. Then when you relive their memories, they’re no longer trapped and they can choose to stay or ascend. My OC Finch’s backstory ehh definitely stretches possible canon stuff quite a bit, but it’s wholesome so I love it. Basically they were raised by Butterfly Catcher and . Also, Finch is married, but they’re not a kid. They’re an adult. Ik that’s far from canon but eh they’re an oc so it’s fine.

[keen shore]

That’s my perception on how it works. Like they feel the emotion before, but between never seeing anyone else express it ever and not having the same range of expression humans do (as in. Their faces are solid clay, something like smiling would not be possible) they don’t really know how to express it to others and/or express it to let it out in a healthy way

[rigid mural]

pouty porter may have averted a crisis by teaching angry sky kids to stomp

[keen shore]

Imagine if you just woke up and felt anger for the first time, and had to describe it to someone else but you have no idea how it’s expressed so you’re just like “Yeah, my head feels like it’s full of bees” and that’s the best you can do

[formal skiff]

Remembering the time [i forget who] put all the spirits on the nonbinary flag

[rigid mural]

slink

[raw crypt]

hi whats up

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

boom

[raw crypt]

I JUST CHECKED LORE AT A CONVIENT TIME AHDHDHDH
nonbinary spirit swag

[rigid mural]

you're a hero

[tulip aspen]

i definitely am prone to automatically gendering the ancestors the moment i see them

i hope me giving them pronouns sometimes while theorizing doesn't offend anyone..

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's exactly how I see it, in part cos that's my own experience and what I've seen with others – I have the emotion, I just express it in a way that isn't neurotypical or I lack the words to describe it or I don't know how to effectively vent or show my feeling. just because I don't express the emotion doesn't mean I lack it all. same goes for coping mechanisms.

also, as Salem put well, teaching them to express emotions in a healthy way because a lot of people don't know how to express their emotions well. as with anger – a lot of people don't know good coping mechanisms in regards to their anger so it can manifest destructively

[keen shore]

I got paranoid you left the server for a second hello

[keen shore]

I am not offended by only pronouns [because non-binary people can go by any pronouns] or honestly offended in general. It just makes me raise an eyebrow and struggle not to laugh at the screen when I see people fighting over a spirits gender. [I have seen this recently, it didn’t happen here but on Instagram, and it was people STRUGGLING to figure out the valley elders’ genders]

[rigid mural]

the valley elders identify as threats

[compact shale]

I am the exact opposite

I've been so used to using "they" for everyone because of Sky that sometimes I forget that my non-Sky OCs do in fact, have genders

[sharp lichen]

I can’t say it. Fine. The

[keen shore]

Sometimes I forget that not everyone irl goes by they/them

[harsh pecan]

lol

[foggy lotus]

i am going to feed you too the krills along with the chat (maybe)

[sharp lichen]

That is only the fifth worst joke I have made! That was nothing!

[raw crypt]

I ACTUALLy did leave for a bit (life stuff HJDHDH) so sorry if u saw me gone for a bit but I’m back now!! haiii!!
i need to be more active in lore but for now i will provide images (ingame or flag edits) and silly commentary tahts also important 😌

[keen shore]

I feel like if Any spirit/elder would try to confuse people on their genders, it would be the valley elders, so I didn’t say anything and simply watched it unfold. Half of the evidence was just based around the haircuts. It was hilarious

[harsh pecan]

what's the first one?

[tulip aspen]

yee I've definitely gotten the they/them down-on-instinct more, primarily just because my sky twin who joined Sky the exact same day as me used those pronouns

the first months i had to correct myself a bit, but i got it down, and being able to instinctually respect that mostly means something to me because it shows my bond with them

speaking of @whole robin stop judging me i dont have an addiction

[frigid tinsel]

honestly, I do that too sometimes. even though I've been working to undo all the gender coding society enforces in thing, I still sometimes read people and characters in a gendered way that oftentimes is not accurate. what one should do in that moment is to stop oneself and check in with oneself. being aware and conscious of what you're doing and thinking is a way to fight against those societal norms and undo all that coding from socialization.

I'm not offended when people gender Sky characters (I'm more annoyed and irritated when people assert that they know so-and-so's gender). I'm kinda... sad, in a way, at how prominent this automatic gendering is not just in this fandom but in society in general. but it gives me hope to see people actively confronting and defying it.

[rigid mural]

dont tell the mods but i got a days of rainbows leak from beta

[keen shore]

I don’t know how to explain this, but even though there’s no gender in Sky all the spirits are trans. Canon lore /hj

[tulip aspen]

that's very fair, that makes me feel a lot better about my mistakes and being able to make then so i can in turn learn and grow, thanks

[rigid mural]

technically nb people are the white stripe on the trans flag so

[compact shale]

I remember a headcanon that basically said "you lose your gender when you die" as a rule of Sky

[keen shore]

TRUE!!

[rigid mural]

i lost my gender to the forest elder

[frigid tinsel]

my gender went into the abyss and I'm too scared to go after it

[raw crypt]

i hotglued the genders i borrowed from my fave spirits together

[compact shale]

Oh, no! Alasdair's foil brain got crushed by the pressure!

[rigid mural]

gender arts n crafts

[frigid tinsel]

my pfp is an arts n crafts tho

[rigid mural]

i thought it was a brain made out of food

[keen shore]

I just spawned one day and god forgot to give me a gender

[compact shale]

it's made of hershey foil they once said

[foggy lotus]

ive always thought that was a piece of chicken thats tatooed like in omega mart

[harsh pecan]

oh wow i never realised

[frigid tinsel]

it is a brain but it's made out of Hershey Kisses wrappers colored aluminium foil.

[keen shore]

I have been trying to figure out what your pfp was for ages because discord wouldn’t let me zoom in to look at it better

[compact shale]

Alasdair the Foilbrain

[frigid tinsel]

i've gotten the chicken way too often and i still don't see it

[harsh pecan]

you could take a pic and zoom in

[compact shale]

put your pic through 144p 240p low quality adgsghsdgh

that's how others see it

[frigid tinsel]

i can DM you a full size pic if you want

[keen shore]

I thought it was either a curled up cat with their tail in front, or a skull facing away
I can see what is now though YEAHHH

[compact shale]

alas poor foilrick i knew him foilratio

[harsh pecan]

a cat???????????

[keen shore]

I’m good now that I know what it is but ty!!!

[frigid tinsel]

skull I can see. cat????

[keen shore]

Sort of like this but the head is lower

[frigid tinsel]

ohhhh

[harsh pecan]

hmmmm

[foggy lotus]

yeqhhhh

[compact shale]

*clap clap

back to lore yall

[harsh pecan]

THAT EXISTS???

[frigid tinsel]

today in lorechat: memories, gender, my pfp

[foggy lotus]

search up "omega mart"
theres more

[frigid tinsel]

i still dont see it

[harsh pecan]

i just see a supermarket

[rigid mural]

this chat

[keen shore]

The fact that I instantly recognized the original image this is based off of

[foggy lotus]

search it up on youtube

[keen shore]

Also. I wish I could put this image as my discord status

[raw crypt]

YEA YEA YEA YEA

[harsh pecan]

gender 😂

[frigid tinsel]

i'm OOTL, what's the original meme?

[keen shore]

I have to find it hold on

[sharp lichen]

You would not like to know.

[raw crypt]

TOONTOWN (sorry i had it on hand)

[harsh pecan]

oh my god

[keen shore]

IM TOO SLOW HOW DID YOU FIJD IT SO FAST

[frigid tinsel]

there's a reason is my most used emote across all of Discord

[foggy lotus]

abyss time drow whatever hc/ theories you have

[lusty meadow]

I've been summoned by omega mart

[compact shale]

5th quest is still in the netherworld

[rustic heron]

What’re we talking about today, lorechat?

[foggy lotus]

i dont even know

[frigid tinsel]

i don't have any upcoming Beta knowledge and the ones who do have not been giving encouraging omens

[keen shore]

That’s a good question that I don’t know the answer to

[sharp lichen]

Absolutely nothing, and I love it.

[rustic heron]

Ah, we’re talking about gender.

[frigid tinsel]

Lapis, what do you think my pfp is?

[compact shale]

What kind of omens?

Ah ha ha ha ah ahaha hahahah, you're gonna have serious gastric issueeeeeeeeeees!

[foggy lotus]

chicken
@rustic heron say chicken

[keen shore]

Influencing the results of a scientific experiment I see

[frigid tinsel]

i already has gastic issues

[rustic heron]

A brain with the different lobes labeled. A bowl of Cap’n Crunch.

[sharp lichen]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

[compact shale]

Ah ha ha ha ah ahaha hahahah, you're gonna have serious kidney and brain issueeeeeeeeeees!

[lusty meadow]

I'm not sure if lore chat is always like this, if it's not I must have sabotaged it

[harsh pecan]

Are you a Megabird Atheist?

[keen shore]

It sort of is we’re just decent at hiding it

[compact shale]

It's the scariest omen I can think of that doesn't actually carry any beta spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes lorechat is ascending, discovering the secrets of Sky. sometimes lorechat is too queer and memey to function.

[keen shore]

Oh! Maybe we should change the subject. I’m curious what everyone’s spirit headcanons are :-)

[compact shale]

the small ones or the world-changing ones?

[rigid mural]

you know how nurses wear crocs ?
well

[sharp lichen]

Although it would be incredibly nice for Ceasing Commodore to punch me in the stomach, I’m unsure on how Abyss will end

[keen shore]

Both. The funnier the better

[compact shale]

Baudshaw has serious gastric issues now.

[frigid tinsel]

i would rather have Commodore punch me in the stomach than whatever's upcoming

[lusty meadow]

I forget that live version players exist, I'm dumb

[keen shore]

Thank you, this is EXACTLY what I wanted

[compact shale]

Enchantment Guide and Shrug hide light in their turbans

[frigid tinsel]

blursed (I say wearing crocs)

[frigid tinsel]

Sneaky Survivor was a spy for Prairie Elder

[sharp lichen]

Prophecy QG and Resh were fierce rivals when they were alive. Also, the Scaredy Cadet originally hated the Treehouse and Forest in general, but thanks to the other Assembly spirits, they grew to love it

[keen shore]

I don’t know how to explain this, but if skykids regularly fell and lived with ancestors, then light whisperer is definitely one of them. I have no evidence for this just vibes

[rustic heron]

Our sky kid is the last ancestor~

[sharp lichen]

What the- oh god I’m so worried

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s) teach skykids how to swear and how to fight. not a spirit but a headcanon

[keen shore]

I was asking for headcanons, not canon facts /j

[rustic heron]

Forest Elder gives Skykids custom fursuits.

[raw crypt]

i would commission forest elder

[compact shale]

A hurricane of spirit headcanons that have no context

Skykids can take some light out of themselves and temporarily change its color to allow them to use new spells with it.

Peeking Postman's music sheet is a confession song for Bearhug Hermit. You weren't supposed to hear it.

Tinkering Chimesmith's biggest fear is the "crab note", a hypothetical unintended chime frequency that when played, would cause crabs to come out of the wind paths and flood everything around them.

Not that it would ever happen, but Scaredy Cadet would definitely faint almost immediately in Treasure Reef.

Lively Navigator's dream is to become a racer in Valley, and they saved up for it when they were alive

Postman's music sheet is a love song for Yeti and you were never supposed to hear it

The Abyss spirits ran out of firewood long ago, so they just use Cannoneer instead

Prophecy Guide can detach the halo from their mask and use it as a chakram

Air Prophet also teaches breathing exercises but with unholy bat screeches. It's part of it so don't try and make it soft.

[keen shore]

I love these all. Thank you so much.

My headcanon addition to this conversation is that the king never grew past 3 feet tall and I will never give it jp

[rustic heron]

Postman-yeti headcanon is in there twice.

[compact shale]

oh my BIRDS

[frigid tinsel]

Postman is just that gay

[rustic heron]

My counter to that is yeti is just too big. Take that as you will.

[compact shale]

Says the person who believes in ancestor resizing

[keen shore]

Spirits either have the capability to change their bodies at will including “””gendered””” characteristics or they just do not care about them at all

[rustic heron]

Was that me? At this point I’ve made so many headcanon a I’ve lost count.

[keen shore]

MY GOD JAM YOU CANT JUST SAY THAT

[rustic heron]

They’re a Jam after my own heart. Bless their soul.

[keen shore]

I actually screamed out loud

[compact shale]

This is what goes on in Treasure Reef at night (Cannoneer in the middle)

[keen shore]

I Hate You All /j

[frigid tinsel]

new reaction image dropped.
Vela you're on a roll today

[compact shale]

I like the little "woo!" noises you add to your manta drawings

[harsh pecan]

What will happen if we burn the wool

[lusty meadow]

I feel like the new kid in a therapy group

I just want to be with the cool lore people

[tulip aspen]

i know it was in response to lapis and i but im stealing it ||(and adding credit when i post it)|| anyways

[frigid tinsel]

not to be that guy™️ but that's a banned word

[sharp lichen]

PLEASE IM GOOMG GOOD NIGHT (I want to have wooly Manta mutton)

[keen shore]

Roast him like marsh mallow

[rustic heron]

Geez why is being PG so hard damn.

[harsh pecan]

The cool kids

[lusty meadow]

Cannoneer part two

[sharp lichen]

That’s why we need a separate lore server, so we can say all these things without getting scolded by the mods

[frigid tinsel]

don't worry, i'll make a Sky server someday for lorechat chilling where swearing is permitted

[tulip aspen]

you havent hung around kids as much

[rustic heron]

I already have to drop half my good jokes. You have no idea.

[rigid mural]

if yall could stop with these kinds of jokes that'd b great

[rustic heron]

I dislike children intensely.

The kids here can boo me if they want. I’ll fight you all and win.

[compact shale]

Yeah vela's right

How is Lapis not-

[harsh pecan]

Was The King’s feet fungus a good joke??

[rustic heron]

No. We make do with the constraints we have.

[autumn lodge]

Do you all think the ancestors had to pay for cosmetics like we do?

[keen shore]

The only good joke I made in here got blown massively out of proportion by others and criticized by mods within a few days so

[lusty meadow]

Secret lore trading /hj

But yeah, I really want to know some simplified lore. Already know some about Forest with the mantas, but literally most other things besides details I over evaluate are a blank slate.

I'm fine with a dm

[frigid tinsel]

anyways why is Cannoneer called Cannoneer when they got a harpoon?

[rustic heron]

I could tell ya’ll boomer stories about when I was a kid.

[compact shale]

1. Alliteration is awesome
2. Their past which will probably not be shown in-game

[harsh pecan]

To make it start with the same letter as Cackling probably

[rustic heron]

They call it a hand-cannon.

[frigid tinsel]

pay, yes. not like we do though because when they were alive, their "cosmetics" were made of tangible materials.

[compact shale]

Haggling Harpooner doesn't give the same vibe

[keen shore]

I want to say it’s because they manned one of the king turrets but that idea is terrifying to imagine

[autumn lodge]

Maybe the ship had some cannons we can’t see? A cannon is kind of bulky for them to carry around

[rustic heron]

Their real name is floating gunner, but they had to drop it once they became a pirate.

[rigid mural]

i like to think they used to be a cannoneer

[frigid tinsel]

i was not expecting to get pinged five times for the same question

[white junco]

can we pool our candles and buy them a new cannon

[sharp lichen]

Im kind of tempted to write bad Sky romance fanfiction

[lusty meadow]

With some of the old designs for the boat, I can see it

[harsh pecan]

We can buy it for ourselves instead

@sharp lichen DO IT

[keen shore]

NO. we are supposed to rebuild treasure reef, not facilitate its continued destruction

[frigid tinsel]

something something my Skyfic

[rustic heron]

Gloating Gunner, not floating. Even my autocorrect defies me.

[white junco]

confetti cannon

[compact shale]

Here's MY joke!

When we pay for cosmetics, we're actually paying for the copyright, so that we can replicate them.

[rustic heron]

We’re paying for the cosmetic NFT.

[harsh pecan]

BAUDSHAW WRITE THAT FANFIC

[frigid tinsel]

we released four krill and a dark leviathan, i don't think we're doing a good job in rebuilding already

[tulip aspen]

terrifying a w e s o m e

[lusty meadow]

I thought that exactly

[tulip aspen]

tbf that gun is massive it's basically a cannon

[frigid tinsel]

we should steal the one from the Office and give it to them.

[compact shale]

It needs at least two skykids to hold

1 to aim, one to pull the trigger

[rustic heron]

I just realized how Abyss ends. Cannoneer overcharges all the power diamonds collected as they dive into the mouth of the leviathan, giving one last thumbs up to the crew.

[rigid mural]

i think cannoneer deserves a huge cannon with the necessary gunpowder

[keen shore]

Heaven for cannoneer is hell for everyone else

[tulip aspen]

ah yes i remember that convo lolol

[icy bone]

Y’all are we all brothers and sisters because we have the same elders 🤨

[rigid mural]

cannoneer drops a cannonball as the leviatan opens its jaws. the weight of it is enough for the leviathan to comically sink back to the bottom of the ocean anchored by it

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer uses the leviathan as their new cannon.

It shoots Krills.

[white junco]

krill pez dispenser

[frigid tinsel]

They got a big harpoon. and that's leaning on its side

[keen shore]

I don’t think them being called elders automatically means we’re related but I could be wrong

[tulip aspen]

one definition of the word cannoneer is "artillery gunner"

they def are a gunner with a portable artillery lolol

we KNOW that thing should probably be fired while fixed/mounted because cannoneer gets knocked over upon firing it, so yeah I'd say it is indeed a cannon

[white junco]

agreed, I think they've just been diagnosed with old

[harsh pecan]

Bro-

[keen shore]

Just like @rustic heron

[rustic heron]

BOI I-

[keen shore]

Deserved./j

[rustic heron]

That’s true. I’m old. Damn Zoomer humor. Back in my day we had Lenny faces and cat videos, and we liked it.

[compact shale]

I kinda want to see what this looks like when drawn

[frigid tinsel]

yall gonna make me relieve Cannoneer's spirit memories just for pics, huh

[compact shale]

How did you find that so fast-

[rustic heron]

I am a master of Google-Fu

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[tulip aspen]

you had it downloaded dont lie

[keen shore]

I am going to ask what everyone’s small silly spirit headcanons are again, with the hopes of no horrible jokes this time

[raw crypt]

i think bearhug hermit is big bc theyre full of love and need space for all that love 😌

bearhug:

[rustic heron]

Daleth pours the milk on top@of the cereal. That’s why his mask is broken.

[keen shore]

It’s gotta be worse than that. I think what they actually do is put the milk and cereal in separate bowls and eat/drink them at the same time, while making direct eye contact with whoever is eating with them

[rigid mural]

SLINK DO PPL OFTEN TELL U HOW SMART U ARE

[raw crypt]

HJDHDJDJDNDN

[rigid mural]

love is stored in the giant spirits ! its true i asked fire proph when they were a ts last year

[compact shale]

Squishy prophet edition

Water Prophet has known about us going to the Abyss for some time

To get to high places for mural-painting purposes...
Water Prophet uses a column of water
Earth Prophet uses a column of rocks
Air Prophet uses a column of air
And Fire Prophet... needs help

The prophets may seem like these mythical overseers of the elements, but in reality they were normal ancestors before the prophecy visions started appearing

[keen shore]

Oh yeah definitely, it’s true.

[raw crypt]

i think fire prophet would give great hugs but theyre not the bearhug spirits bc u know those hugs that r a tad to tight and leave u winded, yeah

[rigid mural]

fire proph is v warm tho

[rustic heron]

This is why the smaller spirits are filled with rage. No enough space for love. Just look at hiking grouch.

[keen shore]

Fire prophet hugs are 50/50 on either being the best hug you have ever received or crushing you to death

[rigid mural]

king

[raw crypt]

a risk im willing to take

[frigid tinsel]

this is why chibis are agents of chaos and max height skids are comforting mentor figures

[keen shore]

Sky lore. Short people are evil

[frigid tinsel]

have you met a chibi?

[harsh pecan]

chibis

[rigid mural]

max height sky kids can be evil too, we got maskless valley hair rythm pants folks

[rustic heron]

This is true. I purposefully glitch into Vault’s 4 player door, and then come out to laugh at other skids when I’m chibi.

[harsh pecan]

Why don’t you help them tho

[rustic heron]

I’m helping them cope.

[raw crypt]

i have to brb but important headcanon to me: scarecrow has the energy of a black cat with wide eyes and is a big lesbian this is canon and true

[rustic heron]

You guys wanna see something awful?

[harsh pecan]

Sure

[rustic heron]

This is an amazing image. I’m taking this. Thank you.

[frigid tinsel]

wait did yo just dox Salem /s

[keen shore]

How did you get that picture of me.

[harsh pecan]

👀

[rigid mural]

thats scarecrow tho

[compact shale]

The lorechat forest sure is wonderful tonight
||that white thing in the background is a huge fire in case you're wondering||

[frigid tinsel]

i wanna go back to talking about god

[compact shale]

PREACH

HEY LAPIS ARE YOU A MEGABIRD ATHEIST

[rustic heron]

I have worse images I can post. That’s not a threat. Just a fact.

[rigid mural]

oh wow, look, forest elder, wonder why they are the only one moving when summoned in orbit

[frigid tinsel]

cos they stole your gender. they're running

[keen shore]

On the topic of Megabird. I have been thinking about my theory about it just being a massive light creature, and it makes me wonder. Is it possible for Megabird to get corrupted in the same style as the krill? Is that almost what happened during the apocalypse? And if so how would that work?

[white junco]

I haven't finished forest yet is it like a wind coming out of nowhere making them look all cool or something else

[rustic heron]

They’re cosplaying a cat giving you a dead bird as a gift.

[compact shale]

mmm delicious AU

[keen shore]

If anything, they would be running towards vela to smash them with a hammer and remove all witnesses of their crime. Fleeing the scene is not an option

[harsh pecan]

On the topic of Megabird, do you know if your friend Lapis is a Megabird Atheist?

[keen shore]

Why would I tell you?? Do you think I want them to get smited

[compact shale]

maybe?

[harsh pecan]

Do you even know

[rustic heron]

I don’t think so, if only from a thematic perspective. Light and dark are necessary and opposite forces. Both must exist. You couldn’t corrupt all the Megabird because then the duality is broken, and neither can exist.

If you think about it, the whole universe is just light, and void is the negative space that defines its form.

[keen shore]

Continuing this topic because I just realized it. Is it possible that the disaster that wiped out everyone was jsut… them getting smited? Combine that with my previous post and the smiting would be a self defense mechanism

[compact shale]

I shall smote you

[keen shore]

Oh no not again

[rustic heron]

Megabird smiting the Elders for not stopping Resh from doing darkstone.

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[keen shore]

This is true, but if the duality gets broken, what would happen? Would the universe just implode? Would everything get corrupted?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe

[lofty void]

JABSHDHSBSHXBBJSJABSBAHAJAJZNNWJSHDHWJ

[keen shore]

Can someone with better photo editing skills than me please edit this over the megaball we see when we die and go to orbit

[frigid tinsel]

darkness seems to be a force that consumes and holds light. while idk the means of darkness corruption, it feels unlikely for Megabird, a mass of light, to be corrupted by darkness. there would have to be enough darkness to 1) survive in space against all other sorts of light, 2) overwhelm Megabird, then 3) not consume Megabird to petrification but to alter Megabird's being.
it's also a question of whether Megabird has any sort of control over darkness.

[rustic heron]

Then one day, far from now, another light shall begin, and the cycle continues.

[lofty void]

OH MY GOD I JUST CAME BACK FROM LISTENING TO THE ANASTASIA MUSICAL SOUNDTRACK AND THIS IS WHAT I WITNESS. WHAT A DAY

[harsh pecan]

i forgot how to do that

[frigid tinsel]

this reminds me that i have a photoshop assignment due in under two hours.

[compact shale]

pal

photoshop isnt free

[frigid tinsel]

yea, i pay for it with my tuition

[rustic heron]

Not with that attitude it isn’t.

[rigid mural]

it is with a bit of work 🏴‍☠️

[keen shore]

Also if massive light creatures are just light conglomerates like in this post (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) is it possible for one part of a light creature to get corrupted but not the rest? Would it spread? ||What if that’s what happened to the valley elders and is why they have prosthetics||

[lofty void]

i love how we’re condoning piracy over here in lorechat /hj

[rustic heron]

Hell yeah. Gimme five.

[rigid mural]

no

[compact shale]

I am NOT going to ask Cannoneer to put Team Adobe on harpoonpoint. What kind of person do you think I am?

[frigid tinsel]

They’d be doing the world a favor for doing so

[rustic heron]

That was so cold, it made Antarctica look like a tropical paradise.

[lofty void]

…please i beg of you, ask canoneer to put adobe at harpoon point

[keen shore]

If you merge the idea of “that’s what happened to the valley elders” and alasdairs idea of them being one person who split AND my idea that darkness corruption forces light conglomerate creatures apart jusr enough that they can’t cooperate (explained a few posts down from the one I linked) you get an oddly coherent and interesting explanation…

Adding this to headcanon storyline immediately

[rustic heron]

Valley Elder woke up so depressed one day, they split into two.

[lofty void]

man i wish i could split into two when i get sad 😔

[keen shore]

No it’s like someone forces its way into your being and slowly breaks your consciousness apart —

Wait a minute what if this is what happened to the king

[rustic heron]

It’s called talking to yourself. Try it sometime.

No, really. You should be your own best friend. That way, you’ll stop having negative thoughts about yourself.

Nice. With that wholesome comment, I’ve bought myself another feet comment pass.

[lofty void]

LAPIS

[tulip aspen]

I've always thought juggler started walking into that cave hoping there'd be something cool or it leads somewhere, but then they realized it didn't and was just like

[compact shale]

where'd u get that gif from

[harsh pecan]

you said really nice stuff until you brought up feet 😭

[rustic heron]

The real cool was the juggling they did along the way.

[keen shore]

…How would this work for non conglomerates though? Would it be similar to how we change our personality/have different facets of it and they just get forced apart into entirely different beings

[rustic heron]

It’s called depression, but it’s you that forced your way into your own mind.

This actually fits well into the mental wellness aspect of Sky.

[lofty void]

my man really went “welp. time to do the thing i do best” and manifested juggling balls out of thin air

[keen shore]

Either I’m not explaining this correctly (probably true because it’s really hard for me to word) or I have been wrong on how depression works for my entire life

[frigid tinsel]

Do you want a sneak peak of The Valley Elder(s) angst fic?

[keen shore]

Yes Please

[rustic heron]

Depression is a worm that burrows it’s way into your brain and never leaves. The constant irritability, stress, and anxiety can radically shift your personality over time.

Depression can change you, distancing your friends and family and sending you into a cycle of seeking affirmation, and that seeking causing people to become stressed and distancing themselves from you as infinitum.

You try to suppress it, but it never lasts. It comes back, and without help it can damage your psyche severely.

That’s why mental health and a support network are so important for one’s wellbeing.

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t have mental health support

[keen shore]

I mean, this is true, but what I was going for is less “shifting your personality” and more like splitting you into 2+ separate beings with their own consciousness. It’s a bit weird, but if you think of some large and powerful light creatures like as conglomerates whose component consciousnesses get forced apart by the darkness so they can no longer work together as one coherent being, and then apply that to a single conciousness, it makes a bit more sense

[rigid mural]

IM HOWLING WITH LAUGHTER BC THATS WHAT I THOUGHT TOO

[compact shale]

wait why pink hair

[keen shore]

I love the implication that

1. whenever they are stressed or confused juggler automatically starts juggling
2. they do it constantly and never stop

[rigid mural]

juggler juggles as an idle animation

[tulip aspen]

oops meant to reply to "where did you get that"

anyways lapis stop trying to get muted

if you get banned ill never forgive u

[compact shale]

Juggler's 2 and 4 emotes show sparkling balls

what if they were firework balls and you definitely shouldn't throw them at people

[white junco]

all the more reason to throw them at people

[frigid tinsel]

One of my skykid OCs would pelt down their enemies if that were true

[keen shore]

I really love the way this is written and it’s exactly what I’m going for ty!!!!

[rustic heron]

Multiple personality disorder is a rare psychological condition that can result as a coping mechanism for extremely traumatic events.

For Elders, they literally split into multiple personalities.

Or better yet, since they died each personality became a separate spirit, and in reality there was only ever one Valley Elder with two personalities.

[frigid tinsel]

Part of this section is getting rewritten which is why I shared it but it still holds as relevant

[lofty void]

even better:

Juggler gets spotted by a krill and they juggle out of fear

[rustic heron]

Neither does America. Hey-yo.

[compact shale]

firework balls are SOMEWHAT viable against krill, right?

[lofty void]

hmm. I’mma go ask Juggler

[keen shore]

Best weapon against krills: GW spears and swords
Good rudimentary weapons: just throw crabs at them.

[lofty void]

can juggler’s balls be weaponized against krills? lets find out

WAITWAITWAIT THAT SOUNDS QUESTIONABLE WHEN YOU DONT HAVE CONETZMTEXT HELP 💀

[white junco]

idk if they'd make good weapons but you could probably distract and/or confuse a krill long enough to escape by juggling

[keen shore]

[Opens lore chat]
[Closes lore chat]
[goes to bed]

[harsh pecan]

SORRY I READ THAT WRONG

[white junco]

omg wooly manta...

[lofty void]

floof

[compact shale]

*cries into the floofy cotton

[wanton robin]

That honestly sounds like an accurate visual of DID

[keen shore]

Kind of?? I imagine it happening super slowly, like you start with feeling like you’re thinking thoughts that aren’t your own and over time it shifts to a completely different person. I wonder how you would manage to separate bodies after

[spring oyster]

Disassociative Identity Disorder is quite rare but less than you think! It's also very far from fun (having an ex-partner and two friends with the condition)

[wanton robin]

You're too right! Me and my partner both have it

[frigid tinsel]

i've actually been looking into people w/ DID and systems for the fic cos i guess my approach to it could be read as plurality even though it isn't what i'm going for but i'd rather be more familiar with it going forward (cos two people in my grad class who read the draft made the connection).
yes i made my grad class read Sky fanfiction, powermove

[wanton robin]

If you have any personal questions you're more than welcome to dm me!

[spring oyster]

I considered Valley being twins a play on both the internal conflict and competition that can start when societies develop - they're the same but EVERYTHING is a competition, an exciting game until one thing goes too far, egos get bruised, and then.... hi wasteland

[keen shore]

Somehow did not make this connection until now

[frigid tinsel]

my approach to the Valley Elder(s) is that there isn't supposed to be two of them but they split accidentally in mind and body, so now there's something that's still trying to be one between them

[spring oyster]

Also! DisassociaDID has a lot of great helpful videos on youtube, they helped my ex come to terms that DID isn't something that would 'go away' and start some internal family systems work

[rigid mural]

i love the transitions from forest to valley (ascending from the rain into the excitement of the peaks) and from valley to gw (litterally an icarus fall to whats behind the smoke and mirrors)

[wanton robin]

👀 👀 I'll have to look at that. We both are having difficulty managing time correctly lol

[keen shore]

I actually really like this idea [which is why I also talk about it a fair amount] especially because I have to wonder, what would happen if one of them died before the other?

…I may steal this concept for an unrelated character later on

[spring oyster]

There's definitely earlier videos that touched on that from what I remember! Whiteboards and notebooks and an app for notes that's meant for writing scripts or something?... been a few years

[spring oyster]

Difficult to answer as they're both dead already

Ooh but on structures... Eden is shown as a crown symbol consistently throughout, but then we get Orbit - what the heck is orbit?! Why all these cool buildings lost in space?? WHAT IS THAT BUILDING THAT ELDER LIGHT WHALE SMASHES

i just wanna go to Space Disney world y'all (assuming I don't have to spoiler mark here)

[keen shore]

I think the entire top of Eden got blown apart by the light beam/power diamond and that’s why it’s arranged like that! Is probably a callback to the diamond with a dot in the middle symbol that we often see representing darkstone as well

Hold on let me find an example

[frigid tinsel]

i actually thought of that. I had the idea that the king can manipulate light so well that they can "kill" the Elders by taking all their light in like the flick of a hand. in turn, they can revive any of the Elders by returning their light to them. the king holds this above them when their mind starts corrupting and they go power hungry.

I haven't written this yet but basically Vault Elder and the king physically separate the Valley Elder(s) and the king takes one of their light, "killing" them. the two consciousnesses running through the Valley Elder(s) stops momentarily, but only one resumes. the remaining one is terrified and charges down the Vault, screaming, and the king is so taken aback and genuinely scared because they've never heard anyone scream that way that they revive the other Valley Elder.

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here’s the quickest example I can find of it, but if you look enough it’s EVERYWHERE

[keen shore]

Oh I absolutely love this. Stealing for hypothetical headcanon storyline [which will never get written so dw] now

[spring oyster]

Ahh true! Clever catch, I didn't pick up on that visual (though the ramifications of the kingdom emulating a giant dark stone...)

[frigid tinsel]

king, to Vault Elder: I have a bad idea but I'm curious–
Vault Elder: that is a bad idea but I'll help you because I'm also curious.
king: okay that was easy I was going to threaten you.
Vault Elder: what
king: kills one of the Valley Elder(s)
Valley Elder:

[rustic heron]

I wonder if a knife will fit in Valley Elder...

It does! Yay science!

I just had a thought. What if every time you cut Valley Elder in half, they split into two smaller Elders.

What if, hypothetically, you did this many times? Maybe that's where the sky kids come from.

[keen shore]

No that’s scary. If more than 2 of them exist at any given time disaster would soon follow

[rustic heron]

Why do you think the Eden disaster happened?

[spring oyster]

New theory: the Wasteland war was really the ancestors vs.... an over-competitive mob of Valley Elder Mini-me's.
Welcome to the new Clone Wars

[wanton robin]

Welcome to jurassic park theme begins as it slowly descends into Darth Vader theme™

[rustic heron]

I would kill to see one Valley Elder sitting down with a mini Valley Elder sitting in their lap, a la Austin Powers.

[wanton robin]

Mood

[rustic heron]

You're a one after me own heart, yar har har.

That brings me back to the old internet days. Back when pirates vs ninjas was fresh and new.

[spring oyster]

Ah yes, when zombies were still a new concept and vampires didn't sparkle

[rustic heron]

You know, we just got a season of pirates. When are we going to get that ninja season? Nudge nudge TGC.

[spring oyster]

Oooh yesss that would be nice. We already have the Naruto run, just need the kickin fashion to go with it (preferably black and not Naruto neon orange but eh)

[rustic heron]

I think you mean Boruto's Dad's run.

[spring oyster]

I only followed Naruto until the first time skip, sadly I'm out of the loop on second gen

[rustic heron]

I haven't read Boruto either, but I heard the joke on Twitter and I shamelessly passed it off as my own.

[spring oyster]

Ahh and you would've gotten away with it too! Darn that honesty

(Sidenote, lapis is my favorite SU character, so bonus points for that)

[rustic heron]

Saaaaame. Sassy blue water angel is bae.

[rustic heron]

Do you ever wonder what it would have been like had the Eden disaster never happened?

[compact shale]

We probably would not exist.

[rustic heron]

What if we did?

[tulip aspen]

why would we?

we only formed for the purpose if saving all ancestors

[rustic heron]

That's what we're asked to do, but there was one CoL before us. Why not more?

Was that the task of the original Child of Light? To save the ancestors? If not, why did they appear?

[compact shale]

Some theorize that the first CoTL was placed in AFTER the ancestors needed saving from their... um... ways.

Prototype theory or something idk

[rustic heron]

Then that begs the question. What did the Ancestors need saving from?

[tulip aspen]

we don't know that that was a skykid la sigh.

[rustic heron]

This is more a critique on the notion of God, as it exists in media, and the audiences interpretation of said deity. The Megabird is sometimes interpreted as a creator being, and as such I believe, in a Western interpretation of the Megabird as a deity, there are some whose brushes with Christianity would tinge this, and any other, notion of a creator god as negative.

Questions of the perceived cruelty of creating a being from clay only to have them serve some singular purpose despite their free will come up, analogous to the story in Genesis. The notion of a kind and loving creator is lost because the bias of one's own upbringing and the possibly negative experiences one would have with the dogmas of dominant monotheistic religions tinges their interpretation.

So, naturally, theories like Sky kids being created for the sole purpose of freeing the spirits by a creator deity, in an apparent façade of compassion veiling selfishness in unifying the disparate whole, come about. But we have to ask ourselves if those biases, those schemas our minds have built up over the years we've lived, have colored our ideas so significantly that, perhaps, the first notions of explanation that come to our mind haven't pushed out other possible explanations.

I think it's worth mentioning and self-reflecting that the lore we pursue, the headcanons we develop, aren't blocked by our own preconceived notions of reality, and that we open ourselves to asking what if what we think isn't true. What of the other possibilities? Do they also have merit?

[tulip aspen]

this is why i really dont believe the mass of Light is 'conscious'.

[rustic heron]

It's just something I've noticed while I've been here. There's the unintentional bias present in interpretation of thematic elements of Sky, not to say that they are right or wrong. Many here are members of the LGBTQ+ community, of which has been at odds with conventional practice of most modern monotheistic religions, and so there is an inherently negative attribution to creator deities.

[tulip aspen]

yeah, I've noticed that too

bias creates a lot of people's versions of the lore, timeline, and characters

you definitely word it better than i could

[rustic heron]

Conscious is a weird word. There's a difference between simply being conscious and being sapient, of having human-like intelligence. But that's rather egocentric; are there intelligences that are so different from sapience, and yet very much capable of the same, if not greater, capabilities that we dismiss because they do not fit within our schemas of intellect?

[tulip aspen]

what

no, i just dont think it's just one being-
that it's not a singular entity/deity/god

[rustic heron]

But that's also tinged by human egocentrism. Let me phrase it like this: Does an ant colony consider itself one being, or many millions?

[tulip aspen]

well what do you think?

an ant is bound by biological mantles, controls, nature

it does not think, it just does

[rustic heron]

I think it's difficult for humans to wrap our heads around. Individualism is core to our psychology. We consider all our cells, our limbs, our organs as parts of the self.

But is our arm you? How about your hairs? Your teeth? Are they representative of the self? If not, then what part of you is you?

Same thing with an ant colony. Is the singular ant a part of the self? What about the soldier? But together, does the ant colony consider itself whole?

So then, what if the ant colony is conscious? It acts as a whole, creating plans and executing them. It problem solves, creating rafts of living ants to transport itself across raging rivers. It extends itself outward, using chemical trails to trains the parts of its whole to do things.

Humans do something similar; our endocrine system is just that, a system of chemical "trails" that train the different cells of our body to do things.

[tulip aspen]

it doesnt consider anything because it's not capable of complex thought lmao

and at the same time you cant call the entire ant colony a single entity because in the end they all CAN do things independently of each other

anything inside or a part of the body cannot

[rustic heron]

Your body does things by itself all the time. Do you control your heart beat? Breathing? The random twitch in your eye or arm? The microbial microbiome in your intestines?

You'd be surprised how much your body does without your express permission or control.

[tulip aspen]

that's not independent thought, that's no more complicated than a muscle spasm, nature, rhythm

ants ARE their own beings, they have organs with the same arguments you're trying to make, if anything you would have to at least try to say the colony is a MACROentity, omni, collectove

because ants have their own bodies with the same rhythms that create LIFE

you can't compare a one organism to 2000 organisms working in unison

[rustic heron]

Your cells are their own beings. What makes a cell so different from an ant? Each cell in your body operates for itself alone, throught chemical processes. Cells have no awareness. By extension, neither does any singular neuron.

They all operate within themselves, thoughtless, much like an ant.

[tulip aspen]

what makes a cell different from an ant
because cells make up ants?

[rustic heron]

Functionally they are the same.
Some ants will digest food and process it for the colony, like an intestine. Some ants fight against foreign invaders, like your immune system.

Still others store food, like honeypot ants. Or like your fat cells.

[tulip aspen]

mmmmmmmmmm

[half shadow]

that’s a really interesting about the religious ties Lapis. my personal thought is that the skykids were less created to free the spirits but moreso continue the cycle of nature by restoring the natural world itself as well, which ties back into the overall themes of rebirth. i am far from somebody who believes or has experience in western monotheist practices but even sometimes the biases creep up. this is why i much more prefer to relate Bhuddist concepts to sky rather than Christian

[harsh pecan]

Did anyone actually asked that-

[tulip aspen]

lapis just did yea-

[half shadow]

it’s more of a philosophical question that lapis is posing

[tulip aspen]

im aware
philosophy needs a leash sometimes or it runs itself in circles, i just.... dont feel it's the point of explaining what the megabird collective could be

i know exactly what lapis means, and i personally just dont connect to it

[rustic heron]

Why not? What do you feel is missing the mark here?

[half shadow]

hell there’s no confirmed “collective” though right? we have no idea if it’s a single entity or a collective. or perhaps it’s both at the same time!

[tulip aspen]

that ants are literally more complicated than the cells that make up them

[compact shale]

Well the reason why we believe skykids are here to free the spirits is because of the intro, pretty much

[rustic heron]

Do ants dream, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

i wouldnt be one to know or care tbh

[rustic heron]

How about this then: a Portuguese man o' war.

[half shadow]

Siphonophores my beloved

though I kinda agree it’s a bit far beyond Sky right now, though I’m interested to see how you think this could relate to Sky

[half shadow]

and yeah, the quote is literally “Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars.” that’s one of the main roles the skykids are asked to take up. however in returning the spirits, we are also re-creating the natural world around us in a slow rejuvenation process, such as calling mantas back throughout multiple areas

[tulip aspen]

well physically, the Light is collectively made up of drops of Light, and entities that converse and merge and warp and diverge in and out of that 'sea' of Light

we can see that in the ending, we all that all Light:

1. comes from it
2. returns to it
   which includes light creatures, the ancestors (light anomalies), light essence (unformed light that drips from space into the world into the sea and clouds, and skykids, because we know all Light that falls down to the world will eventually take form and fly towards Eden (light creatures emerge from clouds and the sea where Light has dropped into)

TLDR: Physically, it is most certainly a collective.

We know the Light has a voice that speaks to us, (per my intro proofs) and refers to itself as 'we'

Vocally, and presentation-wise, it is a collective

[compact shale]

You know what they say about birds and stones... (oh boy this is not a good idiom for Sky)

[tulip aspen]

omg ur amazing tbh when lapis started the whole thing about macro-organics my first thought was literally about siphonophores

[half shadow]

oh yeah I was about to actually bring the “we” thing up. I personally believe that the Megabird/Light/Divine Creator is at the same time an omnipresent collective experienced constantly throughout the world of Sky, and at the same time a single entity. the concept is pretty commonly seen in association with deities of nature, where one is both the literal personification of an aspect of nature - like “Light” - and an individual being able to be worshipped as one

[nimble ingot]

Side question: (apologies if I was interrupting something about ants and ships)

I was about to say that stones and burds is not a good idiom, but it brought reminded me of something.

Would it be fair to say the frame that holds the bells in Season of Sanctuary, is perhaps a shrine to the Megabird?

It has arches that merge together at the top and calls forth the light creatures with the bells tolling. Which is similar to what megabird does in orbit.

[half shadow]

I think that’s a really good observation yeah!! makes sense!

which could be why the spirit guide was so keen on fixing it before they could ascend

[compact shale]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!

Also, I need a better idiom... and don't you dare give me the version PETA did...

[nimble ingot]

So, reading between the lines.
Season of Sanctuary is making references to the Megabird and the cycle of life.
From birth to, juvenile, adolescent, adult and elder mantas.
Except, it does not show us the final stage, death.

[rustic heron]

It's very much related. Human egocentrism often gets in the way of understanding cultures vastly different from our own, and even for some cultures to interpret other cultures.

We then have a hard time understanding something that has an intelligence that is decidedly not human-like. This comes back to Sky because interpretations of the Megabird are decidedly along the lines of it being something human, having a human intelligence.

Even our understanding of a collective being is that of one mind having many bodies, and that mind being human-like. It skews our interpretations in favor of something ingestible.

[compact shale]

I've had a weird question related to this

It's

Could and be connected somehow?

[tulip aspen]

perhaps, but the Light is never directly worshipped by any ancestors, in fact they really only are shown directly worshiping Elders

however my argument does also obviously arise from bias too

as lapis points out most people like to be able to picture a god for the purpose of giving it character, my bias stems from being annoyed at that popular preference that people will always immediately lean towards personifying deity-like things beyond our comprehension (therefore humanizing it and making it simpler to understand).

because i have a bias, my evidence has to work even harder to achieve it's point i suppose

[rustic heron]

To personify something is to make it understandable by people.

[nimble ingot]

I'd say yes.

The windvane is present in the chimesmith's house and the spirits have a similar relstionship with the mantas as the sanctuary spirits have with caring about them.

I would love to have taken it a step further with the seasons parallels.
But since season of flight flopped with the mantas at the final quest instead of commiting to the bird theme (in my opinion).
It is a shame that the elder bird and elder manta parallel never materialise.
(Why is there no elder manta? lol)

[tulip aspen]

yeahhhh frrr fruity and i have already discussed this before

[tulip aspen]

yee exactly

[nimble ingot]

Found two for you:

Feed two birds with one seed
Happiness to two friends with one gift

[compact shale]

We as humans probably won't understand The Light.

As for skykids... I don't think they'd consider trying to understand The Light, they just believe

@nimble ingot Thank you! :D

edit: (OH FRICK I FORGOT TO MENTION THE LAST PART IS A HEADCANON NOOOOOOOOO)

[rustic heron]

That's not what I was talking about. I was making use of the Megabird and its interpretations as an example of inherent bias, and that active awareness of that bias helps to unblock theorizing by allowing alternative theories to be accepted on an equal level to those naturally formed from our internal schemas.

It was just a very drawn-out example.

[half shadow]

I actually fully agree with you about egocentrism and personally feel like we can’t exactly compare an contrast what our experiences in the world directly to the world of Sky, but I still think it’s worth to compare and contrast considering that Sky is in its own right based on lots of real world cultures and philosophies - Buddhism being one - that help us understand what might have translated into the ingame culture and universe.

I won’t really go into detail here but trust me when I say that I do have my own experience with this sort of thing and fully understand the detriment of trying to view something so utterly nonhuman as the divine through a strict lense of not just western, but human ideals entirely. So we’re in agreement here on that front.

I will also however say from my personal experience and practices, personification isn’t an inherently bad thing, and is actually present in lots of deity worship both ancient and modern. So I feel that both sides are worthy of discussion.

[tulip aspen]

that's true too, so it's good i presented my bias earlier above

[rustic heron]

Exactly. I'm not trying to paint a narrative here but more make a commentary on theorizing approaches, with deification of the Megbird being a good example of that.

Interpretaiton of the intelligence of macro-organisms is also a good example that ties well with the Megabird.

And now that we've cleared our biases, it's now
time for me to present Blessing Theory, which you will now accept because you are all unbiased, right? /j

[whole robin]

YES TYVM <333
also you do have an addiction don't even try to deny it

[compact shale]

Hey, hey, we can push out biases for certain purposes, but they're not THAT easy to completely erase!

But! Share your theory anyways!

[tulip aspen]

i will murder you and your monster drinks

[rustic heron]

Absolutely. Another important point is to not that it is very difficult to be actively aware of one's biases and to act in accordance with removing those biases when critically analyzing any presented thought.

[half shadow]

While a knee jerk reaction of somebody from the western world to personify what is for all intents and purposes, a purposely vague divine force in a video game like Sky, it’s important to unpack those biases when they are encountered. I feel like I come from a somewhat easier place just because of what I practice almost every day but that itself also subjects me to certain biases I’m aware of.

tldr the megabird concept is cool i like it and it reminds me of things i know about in lots of ways but i know it is probably not the same. but at the same time, what’s better that a giant glowy bird

[tulip aspen]

i dont know, are you a megabird athiest?

[half shadow]

inside you are two wolves. one acknowledges the biases inherent with a westernized viewpoint of religion and does not want it to overpower their ability to consider outside of that box. the other says “the megabird is like ho-oh from pokemon”

[tulip aspen]

TSU I SAW THAT REACT

[rustic heron]

In general, I dislike framing narratives as "up for interpretation" because I feel it is lazy, but then I try to frame it in the context of an exercise of being open to multitudinous interpretations, and that often opens up all kinds of thought processes that I wouldn't normally have.

However, that also fosters an environment that accepts disagreement, which I feel many are biased against in interpretive open-thought forums.

[compact shale]

Let's add a 3rd wolf.

The 3rd wolf is very much gay.

[rustic heron]

Do you enjoy having your kneecaps? I do. Let's keep it that way, shall we?

[half shadow]

where we’re going we don’t need kneecaps rocket steps up to orbit

[compact shale]

Will rebirth give you a pair of new kneecaps?

[rustic heron]

It's 50/50 on whether your get a new pair of kneecaps.

[compact shale]

Maybe the reason why they say Sky is up to interpretation is because in the end, Sky...

is just a game a social experiment

(FOR LEGAL REASONS, THIS IS NOT JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORY, BUT A JOKE)

[tulip aspen]

see idk, I'm never thought megabird was a god, from the moment i saw that imagery at the ending of the game during ascension, i KNEW (for myself) that it was a collective of everything and all beings

what am i thinking and why, cos i guarantee you im absolutely more western than any of you

so in general, why do i think that way?
lapis, pls psychoanalyze me

[half shadow]

i’m from texas unfortunately

[compact shale]

Doesn't Texas have ALL the firearms tho?

[rustic heron]

COWARD. PUT IT BACK.

[tulip aspen]

im also from texas, and i dont think it's unfortunate, do the math yall ;)

[rustic heron]

Bigger hats, bigger steaks, bigger ego. Texas y'all.

[half shadow]

i think i was a horrible criminal in a past life and my punishment is being born in texas in this life

[tulip aspen]

but legit, why did i think this way when everyone else immediately thought OH SO ITS A GOD LIKE ZEUS

is it literally just because of stuff like the lore docs that push personified-megabird propaganda?

this is why i hate the bricky era smh

[compact shale]

🧱

It's a brick. Made of bird. It's fluffy on the outside and hard on the inside.

[half shadow]

holds back from infodumping about how westernized the perception of the hellenic pantheon has become when there was so much more than that

[rustic heron]

I think it's part of that schema you have of what a god is. What is a god? Maybe a collective consciousness of many being acting in unison to just exist is what a god is, formless and conscious.

[half shadow]

all hail the great siphonophore

[rustic heron]

Maybe it's just a projection of a people's thoughts and emotions, and there is no true sense of self.

[nimble ingot]

I agree!
In art, it is to be expected that an artist's interpretation of their work would differ from what other people would see. Especially when it comes to visual art (paintings, drawings, sculptures etc.)
However, with writers and their stories, the matter of interpretation leans more towards the writer and what they wrote.

If art and story telling had children, one of them would be video games.
While most things in the game can be open to i terpretation for the player. There are, however, core elemants in the game that has to be established.
That would be the narrative (what is going on), the goal (what do you have to do) and the obstacles (what is getting in your way).
If any of these 3 elements are weak or not present. The rest of the game will start to unravel.

Fortunately, the game does have these 3 core elements in place.
Although in my opinion, there needs to be conclusion to the mysteries woven into the game at some point (King, Megabird, what happened when the corruption took place).
As long as the game does not have an ending, the story of Sky is still ongoing.

[rustic heron]

I like a mediated approach to interpretation, where there are multiple different interpretations of a piece of work, but they are bordered and shepherded by a set of guidelines set out by the creator or the artwork itself as to generally what it's trying to present.

This is why I tend to prefer evidenced theories; there are multiple interpretations to the game, but you actually need to interpret the game to guide those theories into something that intersects within the bounding plane of the work.

[compact shale]

Yes. From the player perspective, Sky's story is almost like an organic being. It will grow and patch its own holes, but it inevitably keeps creating new holes. Sky's story will probably conclude when the game does too. As much as I hope all the mysteries would be solved after the game's end of service, I know that the Devs could also pull a "the author died" and just not tell us.

[tulip aspen]

its true

i am christian but at the same time the concept of the universe as a whole as a spiritual energy has always been enticing as a concept

at the same time i connect with my religion on a personal level, believing in what has been provided to my community and those i love and care about to be holy and gifted

so maybe because i connect with a direct concept of a personified God, i would prefer to NOT have that when picturing a fantasy universe, partly because it convolutes the idea of what my God is or would be

very fascinating

[tulip aspen]

dont look at me all i know is my percy jackson series'(es)

[rustic heron]

Biases exist. There's no getting around that. But we can control how and when our biases intervene, and that control allows us to empathize and exist outside ourselves within a community.

[nimble ingot]

As long as they dont give, "It was all a dream," ending.
I would go feral if it does go to that.

[compact shale]

HAHAS;DAHSEREU;RAGHSGHSHGASN SDFAAHF;HN

It's fine for TLP but not anything else

HAS;DGJAGG IM SNEEZING

[rustic heron]

The candle at the end of Eden is just the candle by the bedside of a sleeping human child. In the last season, it goes out, with the words "Gotcha- TGC" blazing white against a black background...

in comic sans.

[harsh pecan]

Oh no….not that

[lofty void]

[rustic heron]

The worst part? The human child is the prince from TLP.

[nimble ingot]

Megabird compared to the Christian religion would be like the Holy Spirit.
Which may apply to the King being the Father, and the Sky Prince being the Son.

[compact shale]

Sky but Even More Christian sounds cursed... but then again I have read about it in a Christian website

[rustic heron]

Sky turns into Veggietales. Skykids are now cucumbers with eyes.

[harsh pecan]

In the name of the King, the Prince and the Megabird

[compact shale]

Unfortunately, this means that they are now as fragile as vegetables. One Eden rock is stronger than any veggie-cutting knife.

[tulip aspen]

something id then have to admit is i only accept opposing theories to be possible when i deem that they sound sensible, tangible, appealing, and something tgc would have actually went for

my research, my takes, my opinions, my criticisms

they are all extremely arrogant, and honestly, i don't see any flaw in my thoughts so far

my discern vocally shows waay too much, and when i make those mistakes, i will spend the time to clean up the mess i made, it will always happen eventually after months and months and months of doing this

geez @compact shale after February I'll have been doing this for 6 months......

but yea in reality, my methods are absolutely toxic and unrelenting to other ideas, i easily cast judgements and cast aside new takes, all/mostly within my head only

[compact shale]

HOW LONG?!

*looks for Jam's first-ever lore message

[rustic heron]

It happens. Being actively aware of it, and acting to change that, is what counts. The fact that you caught yourself slipping is the first step.

[tulip aspen]

i wouldnt want to compare it to the "Christian religion" nah, it just feels weird for some reason

[nimble ingot]

I am certajn that other religions can have parallels in Sky.

However, I am not the person to make them. Partly because I am not familiar with other religions to make respectable connections, although I know enough about Christianity to compare to Sky in (what I hope is) a respectable way.

[harsh pecan]

It’s only been a few months??????

[compact shale]

my first lore message

[tulip aspen]

wym by slipping?

it's just a simple matter of accidentally letting too much of my opinion be heard, to anyone in general (because ive accidentally done it to many people now..)

there's no learning, the restraint comes naturally at this point, yet I wont always be perfect, and may be too annoyed or tired to care

[harsh pecan]

Oh that was just a few months after mine

[rustic heron]

Generally being arrogant isn't a good thing.

[tulip aspen]

oh four months lol

[compact shale]

I realize that most of my very old lore messages are me being a w*** and trying to draw parallels between Sky and Madoka Magica

[harsh pecan]

Lol-

[tulip aspen]

not at all yee

[rustic heron]

All right, I'm done pretending to be smart. Time to post mildly inappropriate jokes again.

[compact shale]

LAPIS DO YOU WISH TO BE BEANED BUT SERIOUSLY?

[rustic heron]

Sure lol. If I get banned here, I'll just go play monster hunter world.

I need to watch Eternals too. Came out on Disney+ about a month ago.

You know, I'm curious. What would you guys do if you got beaned?

[tulip aspen]

just..,. not be beaned?

[rustic heron]

Let's say it's out of your control. What would you do?

[compact shale]

Vela's mantas going woo compilation

[stable veldt]

Woo

[tulip aspen]

woo

[rustic heron]

I don't think Vela likes me.

[stable veldt]

Change your username to Woo and maybe they'll like you

[compact shale]

I'm pretty sure the "OH WOW THIS CHAT GOT CRINGE POST WOOLY MANTA" was made for this reason

[tulip aspen]

wasn't it cos i made a joke i conveniently deleted some time afterwards

[compact shale]

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[tulip aspen]

if you ask me in dms what it im just going to say no child.

[compact shale]

woo-ps. too late.

[stone cargo]

what in gods name is happening here

[rustic heron]

I don't mind not liking me, but it's the entire passive-aggressive, cold shoulder stuff that's a bit much. I'm a very direct person, and I don't deal much in passive aggressiveness.

[compact shale]

hair dryer.

[harsh pecan]

Lore (probably)

[fickle wing]

lol this ain’t lore from what im seeing

[rustic heron]

I mean, I would prefer everyone get along, but I'm not going to just stop being me for that.

[compact shale]

it's not lore, it's hrgh soup

[stone cargo]

uhm.... in name of lore— isn’t it so interesting that the LP seasonal spirits aren the only in game spirits that do not get a chance to ascend? their end season cutscene, their personal memories... unlike every single other spirit in game, the little prince spirits are weighed down from moving on

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

[rustic heron]

You know, I've noticed that people don't really like dealing with social issues directly. I like confronting things and ironing out the issues, but that doesn't jive well with people. Hmm.

[fickle wing]

what

[compact shale]

To the canon lore? Maybeeeeeee... some of us don't believe that they're even real

To TLP lore? it's simple. They never get development in the story, so why would they in Sky?

[tulip aspen]

you'll find a lot of the folks do that here, especially in cozy

im just sincerely surprised and glad they havent blocked me(us) yet, because i genuinely enjoy theorizing with them

[stone cargo]

if you have a problem with vela specifically, why not dm them? it feels weird to drag a difference in public

[harsh pecan]

Maybe it’s the chains

[tulip aspen]

guys ur gonna get fruity mad again that the skykids never helped them

[compact shale]

I don't believe they're real, I believe they're in-universe fiction.

[stone cargo]

true,,, i know their solidity is debated on. but it’s interesting... other spirits use their emotes, showing that they have connections outside the desert, or they did during their lives.

hell (beta spoilers), but ||in the upcoming days of bloom, the Scholar uses every single starlight desert emote.|| the people there are ‘real’ it seems... but what happened to them?

[compact shale]

No BETA allowed please!

Also, of course ancestors have a fuller range of emotes than the one they teach us!

Edit: It's happened before, it doesn't prove anything!

[tulip aspen]

poor fruity

[rustic heron]

Well, they don't like me. DMing doesn't seem like it would work if they don't want to talk with me in the first place.

I'm mostly trying to gauge how I would approach this.

[harsh pecan]

It might be a mix of real and not real

[fickle wing]

aight but why bring it into
a public server channel abt the lore of a flying glowing toddler game

[compact shale]

Addendum: But then again, I do think it's ironic that Star Collector chuckles (Chuckle is an emote you get from a child spirit). Star Collector has the most "childlike essence" out of all of them.

[rustic heron]

It started here. I never knew this person existed until I came into lorechat. I don't think we've ever interacted before either.

[nimble ingot]

They are spirits.
Like most ghosts, they can wander and seemingly are aware of things around them.

The bigger questions is, are they aware that they are dead?

[tulip aspen]

we've theorized before its some kind of asylum or deadland, plagued by illusions leaking out of the Vault that form things/places around the people trapped there, somehow tapping into their minds

[compact shale]

I don't think it's plausible to assume that ancestors had to teach other emotes as well...

(I can imagine the chaos)

[nimble ingot]

It is skykids that learn emotes from ancestors.
Ancestors do not have to be taught how to emote

[compact shale]

Welcome to clapping school my fellow coworkers

[fickle wing]

cool! but still you don’t gotta drag a more personal issue into a channel abt lore

anyways it’s kinda funky how gloat has the valley elders outfit
makes me think that maybe they tried to sorta copy em or something? plus they even have the prosthetic thing going on w arms

[stone cargo]

i can’t go into beta because someone hushed me about it, but the things a spirit does in an event i cannot disclose... i know ancestors did not need to learn how to emote, but it’s feels like more than simple coincidence that the spirit i cannot mention used every emote from lp, even emotes that didn’t really fit the character set up for them.

[tulip aspen]

gloat does???

[white junco]

i think the tlp spirits are probably real but in like, a funky different way

[compact shale]

Maybe they're supposed to be a parody/mockery of the Valley Elders, or a "distorted" form of htem

[stone cargo]

yep! it’s the exact same model, face and all. only real difference is the chains and hair

[rustic heron]

Why not?

[compact shale]

LAPIS.

This is #lore-discussion-spoilers , not #vent-discussion

SPRINKLE SPRINKLE LITTLE CAR?!

[stone cargo]

it makes others uncomfortable, and public drama really doesn’t do much besides fester resentment and anger

[fickle wing]

lore channels aren’t rlly a place to have that sorta convo mate like other folks have said take it to dms it makes folks uncomfy

[harsh pecan]

Or the more unlikely option, they’re the lost triplet of the Valley elders

[compact shale]

Gloat is a spirit who so desperately wanted to become like the Valley elders that they... well... (overzealous fancestor?)

edit: is a headcanon, just as most TLP-related thoughts are

[fickle wing]

if gloat was the lost samekh sibling would their name b split up between 3 instead of 2 like
imagine if it was split as sa mek and h (gloat got h)

[tulip aspen]

damn so tgc really just copy pasted the valley elder base model and called it a day lmao

[harsh pecan]

H LMAO

[compact shale]

We do not speak about our wretched brother "H" no no no

[compact shale]

Do you pronounce it as "eich" or "HUH"

[nimble ingot]

This may help support that idea.

Glaoting narcissist is ona stage and has a boat as a part of his acts.

Valley is known for their acting and races.
While Narcissist is not the racjng type, he is a performer and one that seems to enjoy having the praise while ruling over his stage like the valley twins do with their realm.

[harsh pecan]

H got the short end of the stick

[nimble ingot]

Would you prefer they don't give skykids the outfit of an elder?

[white junco]

a while back someone looked into the valley elder models and apparently their models r unique so idk. My source is my friend told me so take it with a grain of salt

[rustic heron]

Most of the Elder models are unique.

[white junco]

meant unique from one another

only very slightly id assume tho

[nimble ingot]

Besides when a skykid wears the outfit.
Do they also get nose and the segmented arm look?
I forgot what it looks like.

[tulip aspen]

guys..... what if starlight is a secret outdoor archive of the worst qualities/behaviours of each of the elders........? the devs have said each tlp spirit represents the realms/elders in some way beyond their cosmetics, so.....

even further, it makes it more appealing that we just watch them do their thing because they are just recorded echoes of the Elders, and what we're really doing is help the Elders atone for their shortcomings and realize that they can just rest

after all this time they're still frustrated at the mistakes they made back then, but by allowing us into this secret outdoor crypt they gave us permission to gleam those dark feelings and with that we could show them that what's done is done and they can be okay now

[nimble ingot]

Dawn elder
No feet, tall and lanky body.

Day elder
No feet, large and rounded body.

Forest elder
Wears boots (I think), Feminine body and has tassles sround the waist.

Valley twins
Shorter (slightly bigger than ancestors), have a face under the mask and segmented arms.

Wasteland elder
Strong, Masculine build, has heeled shoes, and has stone hands (or guantlets).

Vault elder
no feet, slighlty curvy build, eyes closed

[fickle wing]

fun fact ayin and daleth don’t even have necks these poor geezers r neckless

yeah.

[white junco]

yes, i am talking specifically about the valley elders not sharing the exact same model , not the elders in general

[stone cargo]

circle,,,

[harsh pecan]

LOL

[nimble ingot]

I believe this was done back when the season was actuve, if I recall correclty.

I think kt was like this:
Lamplighter - dawn
Slouching soldier - wasteland
Narcissist - valley
Accountant - day (I think?)
King - forest (I think?)
Geographer - vault

[fickle wing]

speaking of heads in one of the sky promos tgc did they removed the crop thing cutscenes have usually which revealed some. Inchresting things during teths cutscene like skykid legs being a bit wonky and
this

[nimble ingot]

Oh.
In that case the twins' design is mirrored.
That and Sah (spiky hair) may be a bit taller than Mekh (dora hair). And it may not be because of the hair.

[harsh pecan]

LOL WHERES TETH’S HEAD

[nimble ingot]

Behind the scenes animations are always weird.

[compact shale]

removed to protect the elder's identity.

[white junco]

yeah. screenshot snagged from a friend, but one is definitely taller than the other, + if you look closely their arms are slightly different

[stone cargo]

man,,, this flavor text is so interesting to me

[raw crypt]

I’ve got tlp concept art on hand so heres the realm spirit connection one!

[nimble ingot]

Ah, so there you have it. Thanks.

[compact shale]

I remember the idea that Starlight Desert is actually a dream in a really large lantern and the glow of the entrance is its exposed part

Then when we skykids look at it, we fall asleep and explore the dream, though we're not aware that we fell asleep

So the entrance to Starlight Desert is sometimes filled with sleeping skykids who aren't aware of each other, but you'd have to be far from the entrance to know that

[stone cargo]

so the desert is a blend of sky and somewhere else... and yet, the spirits, as shown above me, are directly linked to the sky realms. interesting

[compact shale]

There's this map Yui Tanabe made and it lists ||Office|| as canon. I guess Vault is known for implanting dreamworlds into Sky. Maybe we'll get a season detailing the process of doing so.

Season of "How to Create A Seamless Dimensional Rift in 128 Easy Steps"

[nimble ingot]

Would it be fair to say there are living ancestors?

But they are now in the human world because they left Sky via a portal?

[tulip aspen]

so just the mindspace theory then /hj

[compact shale]

maybe but with more sleep

[boreal nebula]

Isle seems a good spot too (especially because it's a place with lots of potential and peaceful ||Art in Wasteland would be nice, but ..*anxious angler theme*||)

After all in Switch Trailer we saw how a settlement was there with probably merchants or refugees from distant lands, it could be the best melting pot for various artistic influences to meet and merge.

Isle is the realm with the most murals (if we count Prophecy too) and since intro murals are the best storytelling with a "voice" it could be nice spot where it would be explained.
The Welcoming Troupe could at the center of a spirit memory where a foreigner is guided through the bazars stands.

Optionally they could show how Red Light is tied to Murals and Art (wish it could comfirm my interpretation of it as being tied to Storytelling & Tragedy)

[boreal nebula]

[boreal nebula]

I don't think you have to worry too much. After all as Alasdair said, it could be good sign of how TGC made a good job at making spirits a good mix of genders that each one can see what they like in them

As a not native speaker I also tend to use the "gender" my language suggest. For example Exhausted Warrior is referred as a she even if bulky 💪 or Timid Bookworm is called with male adjective & noun even if they looks like a girl (I was also once misunderstood for a girl with their braid hair on. LOL. I said I couldn't be a viking, ||thanks Abyss for the Viking hairs||

[boreal nebula]

Your joke reminds me of an analogy

Ancestors don't juice/grind mantas to get the light out of them, They respect the nature like a Sheppard have to shear/shave sheep from time to time

||Secretly all mantas are wooly mantas, but we see them already shaved /JK ||

[compact shale]

from where? another server?

[rigid mural]

This kind of thing is why I "give you the cold shoulder". Like yeah I'm a bit agressive sometimes but

1 - You regularly shoot down other people and their theories without trying to be constructive
2 - You insist on talking about some topics so bad a mod had to mute you
3 - You really should have DM-ed me yeah

You and Jam seem to think you occupy my thoughts way more than you really do lol. I just don't really enjoy this chat when you insist on spouting inappropriate jokes, you will notice that's the two times I posted the cringe manta. To change the topic.

Anyway back to lore, I put this here so people with the same thoughts about me see what I have to say.

[sharp lichen]

YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE ENTIRE NIGHT WHAT

[harsh pecan]

Not necessarily

[sharp lichen]

That’s a statement that’s absolutely true with me as well. I ‘m still thinking that the Prophecy QG can be the Chosen One, and my old theories (I’ve been in here since August 2020) are… far less than stellar

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo

[boreal nebula]

Scrolling through Lore
I'm glad I found it this

About Scaredy Cadet:
What do we know, if could picture it as Finn in the Adventure Time episode where her tries to win his fear of the Ocean

But What if...? Cadet is not just afraid of water, just of cold or lukewarm waters (sortof like Finn wants scared about swimming in a river or the sea, but only in T H E O C E A N)

||Marching Adventurer finds Scaredy Cadet chillingly floating in Abyss, gently rocked by waves near the docking shore
Adv: "Wait! We're you afraid of the water?"
Cad: "Nah, man. Just of cold water of the river"
Adv: "Cad! That was lukewarm, at best!||

[sharp lichen]

I don’t remember anyone saying my old theories were implausible and inconsistent with the Sky narrative, causing me to believe in it more. That’s why I’m now making sure that every theory is narratively consistent. Go, search my old messages in this channel. See how bad they are

[compact shale]

Hahahahaa it makes for some funny stuff, that's for sure

March would be pretty hyped because PIRATES I bet

[rigid mural]

headcanon laidback pioneer and the two local assembly spirits helped us set up that new social light space up

[boreal nebula]

I imagine them slowly burning some darkplants pinecones, releasing wax sparksfrom time to time

No idea how to figure out the wax in the "Loop Stream" in Wind Path, tho

[boreal nebula]

Oh yeah, cause the promotional picture made the QG look as tall as a Sky kid,right?

[sharp lichen]

I think so

[boreal nebula]

Someone needs to give a chibi/resize spell to QG

[boreal nebula]

Sorry, I noticed only now..

No here, Vela's recurring meme/joke about Wooly Mantas 🐑 like in the comment I was replying to

[boreal nebula]

Decided to make a faithful / gunless Yellow Diamond picture

[compact shale]

hgushsghnn

I have mentioned shearing mantas tho... sort of

Also I should probably make a plushie of this some time

Wooly Manta ~woo

;sjs;dgahsdgn

[lavish spoke]

Hello there, I have been getting kinda bored of the normal Sky experience. I've been watching a few fanimations here and there but those are only YouTube recommended and rare to come by. So I've been wanting to get into the lore of Sky. But the main problem I encountered was the diversity: there are literally thousands of channels dedicated to fanimations and lore, and that only counts the YouTube side. So I wanted some advice on where to start the rabbit hole. I want to also mention that all I've come by that could even remotely be called lore is just a small mediocre documentry on the Eye of Eden. In case you're interested: https://youtu.be/6Wy93B3w4k0 (I can't tell if you guys will enjoy it or not, but the concept is kinda good and there's some honest work, so I guess check it out?)
And the source could be anything - a YouTube channel, a webpage, a subreddit/fb page/any group, etc.

[sharp lichen]

It has been said before: We’re a minority within a minority. It’s unlikely that Sky lore will ever make a scene on YouTube. But I am happy that you’re turning to lore when you’re bored. What made you tired in the first place?

[lavish spoke]

Idk, just... maybe doing more or less the same things for a year. I really don't know, it just feels like I don't want to log on for a few days and I have no other game to play in my free time

[compact shale]

There's a lot of things we talk about here so if you want to ask about the lore it's best to ask about a specific topic such as a particular season, something unusual you've noticed that might be important, or a particular theme the game has

You can also check the docs in the pins!

[sharp lichen]

This is most probably due to candle runs. But, we can help you in any way lore-wise!

[rigid mural]

You're probably burnt out from repetitive tasks or lack of activities to do !

As for lore, the others already explained it but it's unfortunately a very blurry topic; it's fun to piece together though !

There's a few lore docs lying around but they are outdated and a bit hard to wade through:

Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

Anyway here's a picture of us, hope you're gonna have fun here 💙

Lore chat (derogatory) /j

[compact shale]

Sometimes we have existential crises about god, sometimes we fangirl over gay elders

That's lorechat for ya

[rapid arrow]

I think one time we had a two day discussion about krill-

[compact shale]

TWO DAYS?! MEGABIRD BLESS YOUR SLEEP-

[main nest]

But it's nice to hop in here. Peeps are all chill and friendly and will check out your ideas and explain their own. It's a good start to piece together stuff over here (View of a lore moth)

[compact shale]

You just have to time your advances right and NOT come in when we're talking about elders being gay and furry.

[main nest]

also there's that.

Still fun to watch 🍿

[compact shale]

Not exactly chill tho. And not good for first impressions.

@hushed steeple Uhhh... I'll try...?

[opal heart]

What is the skykid language called? Is it just called honk? Lmao

[compact shale]

Probably. We understand each other quite well in-universe, I guess.

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, in french, the ancestors are referred to as ours !

Rough translation:
"Save the spirits
Bring your ancestors back to the skies and complete the constellation of each kingdom."

I feel like the "royaume" (kingdom) here is just a bad translation of "realm".

[opal heart]

Oh cool

[high cedar]

I'm sorry, the elders are what now?

[compact shale]

Gay. Sometimes.

[rigid mural]

Concept Forest Elder looked like a lynx. The warrior cats joke makes itself :3

[high cedar]

Fair enough XD

[rigid mural]

Oh wait I thought Fruity said furry. Nvm.

[high cedar]

PFFTT

[compact shale]

to be fair we do talk about that in chaos lorechat too.

not very good for first impressions.

[rigid mural]

@high cedar check this out

[high cedar]

:0

[rigid mural]

🤨

Anyway, if the spirits are our ancestors... does that actually give grounds to my theory sky kids spiritually inherited something from ancestors ?

[compact shale]

What did we inherit? Real estate?

[rigid mural]

Whatever you inherit from a previous incarnation I suppose.

[distant turtle]

Cool. It shows the TLP spirits with designs more like their book characters. King for Isle, Star Collector for Prairie. Lamplighter for Forest. Vain spirit for Valley. Soldier for Wasteland. Geographer for Vault.

[icy bone]

So we are all related of some sort

[distant turtle]

That’s really good idea. Then maybe the other Elders didn’t like Isle because they have an imperious personality and try to pull rank. Maybe Prairie elder is kind of a hoarder. Forest hyper focused on procedure. Valley distracted by superfluous pursuits. Wasteland hopeless attitude. Vault closed off from new events outside.

[compact shale]

Intrusive thoughts about capitalism?

[rigid mural]

:|

[lean siren]

wooly manta

[rigid mural]

pop off my liege

[compact shale]

Do they fly like regular mantas or like fluffy plant seeds?

[rigid mural]

they fly like dandelion seeds in the wind !

[static meteor]

spin

[lean siren]

i like to think they cant direct where they fly at all and just let the wind decide for them

[rigid mural]

they keep on spinning in the wind paths and their shed hair is what laughing lightcatcher is gathering in their memory

[lean siren]

u get a wooly manta that follow u around but they are so slow that they cant reach you fast enough/hj

[rigid mural]

the bird "pet" in the wind paths but even slower

[lean siren]

imagine afk and then suddenly a big ball of floof slam ur face

[rigid mural]

imagine a whole herd of these sticking around sky kids

[tulip aspen]

yeah exactly, what if they were secretly giving us tons of insight into mistakes and behaviors the Elders had/made?

[lean siren]

omg sky kid farmers

[rigid mural]

got secondhand a stream says the beckoning ruler is lonely, something they might have in common with the isle elder

[rigid mural]

honestly angler outfit + dismiss cape would do a fine wooly manta herder fit

[tulip aspen]

a million new speculations could come from this and I'm loving it

[lean siren]

I wasn't there but how was lore chat when the Nintendo switch trailer came out

[compact shale]

Hyped

[distant turtle]

🌬

[rigid mural]

ok so that thing im claiming wasnt mentioned in this server, so i will look at the streams later to fact check

[rigid mural]

OH
MY GOD

[distant turtle]

I love that trailer. It expanded the world building beyond what’s in the game. Now we know there’s more beyond the game maps and the present state of things.

[sharp lichen]

So much chaos, so much weird angst theories

[distant turtle]

“Move it, birds!” Classic Isle Elder move.

[tulip aspen]

i kinda wanna see how chat was and just be in awe at how unobvious that spotlight is to people

[rigid mural]

do you think lamplighter likes sky children

[queen pike]

he's probably like "what are these kids doing here? kinda cute..."

[rigid mural]

tbh in the book he gives pretty reasonable orders; ordering statues to stay still for example. i totally see beckoning ruler ordering these birds to fly, and, seeing they are not doing that, relenting and going "fine. but at least hop !"

[frigid tinsel]

They’re prob not shorter than the other, here one is placed further back than the other. That perspective makes one look shorter.

[frigid tinsel]

Fun fact: this was my fit for a while

Bonus

[fickle wing]

can the prophecy cave also b called the furry cave v important question here they all have animal masks

[frigid tinsel]

I have class but this was more important

[rigid mural]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1444447414727819267?t=h20-l5HkYUbQcmYTU4V8rw&s=19
found it ! yui comments a lot on how the beckoning ruler is lonely and wants people around, further drawing parralels with the isle elder

If we are correct to see the TLP characters as insights into the elders, then my interpretation is that the Isle Elder may have estranged themself from the rest of the elders in a "old man that's against change turns out to be right in their concerns" way

like, it's pretty easy to see the beckoning ruler as a control freak, so perhaps that's how the others saw the isle elder: someone slowing them down with their demands to not overuse dark stone

i do wanna say that the ruler in the book is not as agressive as he looks; in fact he says he would be a bad ruler if he gave orders his subjects couldnt do because then he would face revolts

Funnily I used to be partial to that theory because then it would link Prairie with the Star Collector, and greed seems to be more up Forest's alley but...
Star Collector's inspiration in the book is, while indeed animated by a desire to get more stars and label each of them as his own, mostly framed to be strange because they are so focused on numbers and nothing else.
Perhaps this spirit was associated with Prairie because this realm could have been pretty neutral to what happened outside of it ? They got (possibly surnaturally) fertile lands, an abundance of light creatures and apparently export a significant amount, maybe they started to forget the world outside as it was either too stressful or just not something that interested them, since they got everything they need at home.

[hushed steeple]

What is a manta

[frigid tinsel]

[lean siren]

cosmic but alive

[loud canopy]

^ those guys that appear in all around sky

[keen shore]

Definitely late to this conversation but Yeah. Usually when fantasy universes have a singular creator god, people assume it has the same three traits as the Christian god (all knowing, all powerful, and all encompassing). I think the third trait is true for Megabird but not as much the first two in the ways we think of it.

Anyways, it is REALLY hard to write those types of gods without (accidentally or on purpose) making them sound evil or cruel in some way, so sometimes it translates to Megabird convos. To be honest, I don’t think it makes a ton of sense to treat both Megabird and the Christian god the same way because they work A LOT differently.

[keen shore]

Conspiracy theory. This is how the war in golden wasteland started. Ancestors just started killing each other to see what emotes they could learn from the ghosts of their victims

[keen shore]

I was thinking of this last night and my conclusion is this. The cave of prophecies is where the sky Furry conventions take place (you know, the ones we were talking about teth going to) The only reason the prophets wear masks is because a convention took place shortly before the memories occur and they didn’t have time to change

Enjoy

[lyric isle]

random, but a friend of mine called power diamonds 'rocktahedrons' just now and that has stuck with me
if I ever say that, this is a disclaimer as to what ti means

[tulip aspen]

glorious

[raw crypt]

drew this yesterday, a wooly manta for the chat

[keen shore]

ITS SO GOOD!! I LOVE IT

[frigid tinsel]

Wooly manta has to be the best lorechat inside joke meme

This is blessed. My crops are flourishing. My headache has cleared

[rigid mural]

do you think mantas got stingray mouths (prairie mantas do not interact)

[frigid tinsel]

My back pain has ceased. The sun is shining

[keen shore]

Special Request. Can the wooly manta be the lorechat mascot? I think it deserves it

Also do you think they’d get different haircuts instead of being completely sheared in areas like valley, where they might need the fluff to stay warm? Imagining one with shaggy bangs covering its forehead, like those really long haired dogs

[boreal nebula]

I see a panflute

[rigid mural]

twirling champion my beloved 💙

[keen shore]

Exactly like that - wait. Are those hats made out of hair?

[rigid mural]

yeah, that's a pokemon named furfrou

[keen shore]

I want to say that wouldn’t apply to mantas, but knowing the valley spirits, one of them would definitely put way too much effort into shaving one exactly to make it look like they’re wearing a hat/shirt/other goofy things

Either that or give them something like a Mohawk before entering them into a race just because they think it looks cool

At least one of them dyes racing stripes on their manta and SWEARS that it makes them faster

[frigid tinsel]

manta pets

[keen shore]

BEAUTIFUL THANK YOU

[boreal nebula]

Scrolling throught Lore chat to find Theories.
No, to find all juicy pictures of Wooly Manta

[keen shore]

Getting a message responded to with a vela doodle = one of the best things ever

[rigid mural]

if we can dye a dog pink, troupe juggler can dye a lock of hair yellow and the flight crew had paint, then i think mantas could have been partially dyed colors to easily tell them apart in race. they are conveniently mostly white too !

[keen shore]

Manta dyed to look like 🏳️‍🌈 ?!

[rigid mural]

SALEM YOUR MIND

[raw crypt]

this hot pink manta was named breakfast

[frigid tinsel]

trans manta trans manta

mantas with all the pride flags

[keen shore]

Ancestor dyes their racing manta a pride flag and doesn’t know how to feel when every other ancestor in the race does it as well, making their manta impossible to distinguish

[frigid tinsel]

what did they expect when everyone in the kingdom is queer?

[keen shore]

Every manta race is an impromptu and accidental pride parade because everyone has the same idea

[rigid mural]

days of rainbows is every day in the valley of triumph

[ocean talon]

and forest

[rigid mural]

valley in june

[frigid tinsel]

oh hell yea

[keen shore]

Why limit pride month to one month. In valley it is pride YEAR

[rigid mural]

ok but now you got me thinking of ancestors painting

[raw crypt]

AWWW

[keen shore]

Do you think the flight spirits paint mantas (answer is almost definitely) and if so what designs do they paint. My guess is swirls like on the arches

[rigid mural]

YES
they paint the lil mantas on mantas... mantasception

[keen shore]

One of the mantas is a troublemaker and keeps getting injured so the light whisperer paints “CRIMINAL” on them in all caps

[rigid mural]

I'M CACKLING AT THE IDEA

that meme of the pets with the mistakes they did written on a cardboard next to them but it's mantas with stuff written on them

[raw crypt]

WAIT WAIT WAIT THOSE GOOD PENGUIN BAD PENGUIN MEMES WOTH MANTAS

[keen shore]

EXACFLY!!

What if light whisperer keeps doing stuff like that for mantas and another gets really offended/sad when they see it. “Why would you do that!! That’s so mean!!”

The conflict comes to a head when the other spirit discovers a common manta resting spot with a sign that reads “STINKY MANTA JAIL”

[native shoal]

Wait you know how horses can have really dumb names?

[rigid mural]

LIGHT WHISPERER HAS THIS ON THEIR ISLAND

Manta of the month ✨
NAUGHTY
Bell
keeps on annoying the tinkering chimesmith by getting the birds to steal their work
Good 🤍
Chime
carries younger mantas that got tired of flying

[raw crypt]

AWWWW

[native shoal]

Racing horses specifically having really dumb names? The same thing applies to racing mantas

[rigid mural]

examples ?

[keen shore]

Someone named their manta “ultimate gay pride manta” and got immediate backlash from everyone else who was mad they didn’t think of it first

[quick terrace]

we can apply cat names to this too

Such as beef stroganoff and mayonnaise television

[rigid mural]

grandma's bao

[native shoal]

One example is onoitsmymotherinlaw

[rigid mural]

contest for kids to name a racing manta and it ends up being both cute and hilarious

[native shoal]

There’s also pot eight Os as a racing horse

[rigid mural]

cant wait for peanut butter to win its place to the kingdom championships

[native shoal]

Manta McMantaface

[rigid mural]

amazing

imagine an ancestor that raises mantas, and one day they let their kid name one
the kid left the nest, but the manta they named is still cherished by the parent

[frigid tinsel]

The manta’s name is Rock

[keen shore]

Tje manta in questions name is Vegetable Soup

[native shoal]

Economic Forecast the manta

[rigid mural]

i love you guys

[raw crypt]

ty spade for handing me one of my fave posts ever, flight crew

[native shoal]

Math Homework the manta. It’s a very ill behaved racing manta

[keen shore]

Someone names their manta after the king and implies that it’s them in disguise. Utter chaos ensues (this is actually how the war in GW happened)

[fickle wing]

resh (manta)

[rigid mural]

HELP

[native shoal]

They partied too hard when some manta named Cheese Crust beat Resh the manta

[frigid tinsel]

Skid: this manta is Resh
Elders:

[fickle wing]

absolutely adore the idea of folks naming their mantas the silliest things ever
id name a manta may
short for mayonnaise

[keen shore]

An offended party tries to one up them by naming their manta Megabird and makes the situation worse. Both mantas tie for last place

[raw crypt]

People think the sanctuary is a more serious place but then you find out from the guide the two rlly large mantas are named Big boy and Bigger boy the second

the whale is named Tiny

[keen shore]

The jellyfish whisperer definitely has really cool names for each of the jellyfish that they manage to somehow remember. The sanctuary guide calls them all Sock and they HATE IT

[fickle wing]

tiny the whale my beloved little scrunkly(they are massive)

[rigid mural]

CRYING this is my favorite convo

[native shoal]

Megabird (manta) and Resh (manta) both get distracted by a spectator’s food and just leave the race

[keen shore]

“WHY DO YOU KEEP CALLING THEM SOCK I HATE IT SO MUCH”
[glances for 1 second at jellyfish] “looks like sock”

[native shoal]

Now would the valley twins get in on it?

[rigid mural]

of course

[raw crypt]

i think the little prince spirits all have a different name for the one spirit manta in the desert

[sharp lichen]

The LP spirits would name their mantas after themselves

[keen shore]

To make matters worse all the jellyfish prefer being called Sock and answer to it specifically

[fickle wing]

yknow that pet shaming joke thing
that but ancestors doing it w their mantas

[keen shore]

Each one would totally name their least favorite manta after their twin

[native shoal]

It’s like naming a cat, sometimes it just doesn’t like it’s name and only responds when you call it Flappy Menace or something

[white junco]

someone names one of the smaller mantas in the wind paths homie jr

[rigid mural]

i bet one of the mantas is named napkin

[raw crypt]

i wish i was at my computer so i could draw some of this out HDNDHNDND

[rigid mural]

twin mantas named "slap" and "stick"

[native shoal]

Yes

[half shadow]

vela I have to say I’ve had a horrible day and night and this picture has like healed me of the emotional wounds from the last six years over thanks

[rigid mural]

world cold and harsh, manta soft and warm

[native shoal]

Resh would name his manta just “napkin” from what little I know

[rigid mural]

mantas with really edgy names like "shadow" or "nightmare" and you KNOW it's someone that let their teen kid do that

[native shoal]

Everyone thinks his manta is the one named after one of the elders or the city capital when, no, it’s Napkin

Moths (or young children equivalent) getting manta-napped like in prairie and their parents have to collect them at the end of the race

[raw crypt]

Not mantas but crabs, i think crab walker would name every single one they meet

[half shadow]

Alef names one fluffy, Resh names one like Octavius Shadowblood the 3rd

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer naming them "menace n1", "menace n2" and so on

[half shadow]

crab whisperer names a manta “crab”

[native shoal]

And names a crab ‘manta’

[rigid mural]

somewhere in another realm, a crab is called "manta"

[raw crypt]

theres a jellyfish named bird, a whale named jellyfish, and a bird named whale

[rigid mural]

there's a fish out there called "jelly"

[raw crypt]

JUST THOUGHT ABT ISLE ELDER NAMING BIRDS 🥺

[half shadow]

there’s one spirit doing it and the others are like can’t keep getting away with this

[native shoal]

Someone unleashing their manta like

[raw crypt]

wait u know the hc for isle elder names the moths? for every moth there is a bird with the same name

[native shoal]

That’s adorable

[white junco]

I know mantas don't seem to age in the same way we do but I'm just imagining an older, very soft and friendly manta named Fluffy that you know some child named long ago

[raw crypt]

AW 🥺

[native shoal]

Just the huge manta from the season of flight finale is named Fluffy

[keen shore]

The race announcer is just done with everyone’s goofy names and sighs in disappointment when they have to read out the list of contestants

[rigid mural]

ancestor kids painting crabs to host crab races

[white junco]

now I want to see the assembly kids with racing crabs

[rigid mural]

assembly guide using their pot hat to carry their favorite crab around

[frigid tinsel]

“Go Lamp Post! Run Tomato to the ground!”

[keen shore]

It’s a personal headcanon that light whisperer was adopted and raised by everyone else in the wind paths. so when they were a little kid they named mantas Fluffy but now they name them things like Soup Ladle (it keeps stealing shiny things and this is the funniest example of a thing it stole)

[white junco]

children will name any animal Fluffy and I love that for them

[rigid mural]

my cousin named one of her nintendogs Bambi

[frigid tinsel]

Soup Ladle carries the soup ladle they stole around so you always know it’s them

[rigid mural]

a dinosaur is also named bambi by its discoverer (a child)

[keen shore]

They can somehow tell when someone is coming to steal the ladle vs just petting them and fly away

[rigid mural]

My bro named one of his yugioh cards "cauliflower masked dragon" so im headcannoning theres a racing crab out there with that name

[keen shore]

Awwwwww

There are definitely at least 50 wooly mantas named dandelion fluff

Wait, for a crab race, would you incentivize the crabs to run towards the finish line by voting someone to stand directly behind it so they charge into them?

[rigid mural]

whole litter of wooly mantas called "fluffy", "soft", "dandelion" but there's one odd one out called "menace"

[frigid tinsel]

Those would be the rabid crabs unless even passive crabs carries permanent spite energy

[white junco]

actual crab racing (at least that I've seen) puts the crabs in the middle of a circle and the first one to leave wins, but this would also be really funny

[keen shore]

Do baby wooly mantas just look like cotton balls

[rigid mural]

considering passive crabs dont charge at you, I think the incentive could simply be a morsel of the kids snack

[native shoal]

I’m convinced that the crabs would be like cats and be extremely variable

[sharp lichen]

We need to do actual crab racing in Sky

[keen shore]

One of them is really fast and almost always wins, but they’re really picky with the snacks they run after and only accept an offering of cheese (their name is Mac and Cheese)

[native shoal]

Someone named their crab Crabcakes

[white junco]

really attached to the idea of random non-fluffy creatures being named Fluffy, children are very much like that (source: I had a goldfish named Fluffy)

[frigid tinsel]

Kalimari the crab

[sharp lichen]

I have an extremely morbid question: what would wooly mantas taste like? There is absolutely no way I will use or abuse this in any works I ever make

[native shoal]

Like venison?

[frigid tinsel]

Light

[keen shore]

Probably like normal mantas because they have the same meat, they’re just bred for wool production instead of racing or light harvesting

If mantas HAVE meat (not sure about this) I feel like they would taste like… hmm… banana

[native shoal]

I think they would taste like the actual sea pancake they’re modeled after

But not fishy

[frigid tinsel]

Salt

Skid who suggests eating a manta gets thrown into the wasteland wind path

[sharp lichen]

Manta chips!

[formal skiff]

I feel like crabs taste like smoky chocolate

[rigid mural]

you know fluffy and assembly guide are having friendship flashbacks rn

[sharp lichen]

It is too late: I am making an absurdist fanfiction where Talented Builder slaughters a wooly manta, cooks it, presents it to Light Whisperer, and they have a dinner date

I’d imagine Mantas to taste like a rich, saucy mutton with hints of sweetness. Wooly mantas probably have a stronger flavor, as they need more strength to carry all that wool

[rigid mural]

nah, wooly manta have close to no meat because it's all wool, so generally ancestors wouldnt really eat them

[sharp lichen]

Cotton Candy.

[rigid mural]

thats like trying to eat a bug, technically you can but it's just not worth it

[frigid tinsel]

Baby moth who bites everyone and everything bites a manta and gets flung

[keen shore]

Realistically, mantas probably taste vaguely metallic or not very good, considering they’re everywhere but we never see any evidence of them being eaten [they get used for. other things]

[rigid mural]

i think we should have a bot command like the krill one but it's crabs racing

[keen shore]

But seriously!! Why would you want to eat this, it’s just a cloud

[sharp lichen]

Yeah it’s probably close to inedible

[keen shore]

Greatest casualty of the disaster: every ancestor alive or manta fluff? Discuss

[formal skiff]

They said discuss… we are DISCUSSING THIS /j

[keen shore]

Since the verdict seems to be unanimous and 2 is obviously the better answer, I am accepting it without further discussion

[half shadow]

with your help we can make wooly manta canon

[rigid mural]

[sharp lichen]

That sounds incredible. A season entirely devoted too wooly mantas.

[keen shore]

It would be really cool to see somewhere like the wind paths that has like a loom and other fabric weaving materials stashed away

[half shadow]

text 1800 WOOLY to tgc now ||/J||

[frigid tinsel]

That’s it, fluffy mantas canon in my ficverse.
Best we got

[half shadow]

y’know the little round tiny mantas. i feel like a baby wooly manta would just be like a oversized cotton ball

[white junco]

hold them in your hands... cherish them

[half shadow]

cup then in both hands. apply directly to forehead

[keen shore]

Maybe they look like that in order to mimic dandelion fluff, so sometimes you walk through a field of dandelions and they all start woo-ing at you. One rolls away in the breeze

[frigid tinsel]

Oh that’s a majestic image