lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

ill definitely have to add this new face study to the krill doc (albeitly obviously way too biased towards cinematic boi) for all three candidates, ur amazing as always

[keen shore]

Obviously late to responding to this but my concept is that everything but the skeletons got eaten away by the corruption, and the leftover bones, augmented in size and changed in color by the corruption, fused together into the massive krill. Since darkness is attracted to light I imagine it just eating away at any soft bits it can, maybe devouring them quickly and efficiently like maggots. [this is all headcanon because until now we haven’t gotten any detailed evidence on how corruption works other than “it just does”]

[harsh pecan]

Oh….ok…

[keen shore]

Oh… I just realized something. So we only ever see ancestors mining darkstone, right? But gold is present throughout valley of triumph and decorating some other realms. Only other place we see gold is on coelacanths and elder creatures

Conclusion: gold was not gained by mining but by hunting. Hence the dismayed Hunter, who may not have been hunting light creatures for meat but for gold

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[rustic heron]

What if Abyss’ mining facility was the gold extraction facility as well?

[tulip aspen]

we honestly wouldn't have much evidence to that right now anecdotal or otherwise but I really like it's appeal

especially with all of our new thoughts on light creatures having these weird hardened Stone/metallic body plating

[hushed steeple]

Canths got no yellow coloring on them.

but whenever I draw them I add some

[tulip aspen]

sometimes the rendition is more aesthetic

[night pecan]

hey lore chat!

hit me with your favorite random lore trivia (doesn't have to be super deep, just something lore or lore related)

[frigid tinsel]

teth/forest elder is a furry

[keen shore]

Vault elder is 5’2”

I almost want to make a “various elders and ancestors propensity to being a furry” chart sometime

[half shadow]

krills are dogs

every copy of Sky: Children of the Light is personalized

[rustic heron]

Power diamonds, when left to ferment, turn into crabs.

[keen shore]

-> vinegar is made by fermenting alchohol
-> dark water (polluted by darkstone) has alcoholic properties
-> according to lapis crabs are vinegar

[rapid arrow]

That makes sense as to why they hit you so damn hard

[rustic heron]

Crabs is lean. Confirmed by Salem.

[hushed steeple]

omg poor bird

[keen shore]

I know what to expect, but every time I scroll up to see the birds being weighed images again, I lose my mind

[rustic heron]

How they weigh chicken:

[night pecan]

is this true

[tulip aspen]

nope the vets are just meming

oh nevermind it's an actual theory lol

[rustic heron]

There’s a lot of correlation between the gold containers that we know hold power diamonds, and crabs that are usually nearby the empty containers.

[keen shore]

Ehh, not entirely. There’s several places in forest and the valley temple, not to mention places in wasteland away from the Shipwreck & the caves in forgotten ark, plus the archives, that have crabs without golden power diamond containers

It is a neat idea and explains their hard outer shells, I wonder if there’s a variant of crab that uses them + discarded prairie and isle bells like hermit crabs do??

[night pecan]

i was gonna say sanc but sanc has gold containers after they added the polluted gyser

[keen shore]

Crap with shiny hat 💛

[rapid arrow]

Crab hat

[keen shore]

Good idea. I think we should be able to place crabs directly on top of our heads

[tulip aspen]

yeah its more like darkness creatures in general have some mysterious affinity to the industrial complexes (darkstone areas)

a thought i had is that, after being corrupted by darkstone, it's kinda like they're controlled to move towards places where even more darkstone were, as if the corruption/darkness is like a virus inside their head telling them to go be corrupted even more

that's extremely morbid tho...

[keen shore]

It’s an odd thing to think about, because krills go after our light, so you’d think they’d go into places like daylight prairie which are FILLED with light creatures. It would practically be a buffet for them. But they always stay away from the sun — somehow they’re both after the light and afraid of it

Unless, they don’t need our light in the first place, but it’s more along the lines of lashing out in anger/fear/being territorial

[rugged jackal]

Maybe sunlight destroys them, or staying in the dark turns them dark?

[keen shore]

Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of sunlight destroying them, but you’d think our light would have the same effect considering how much more concentrated it is.

Wait, now that I think about it — if krill really were hungry for our light and needed to consume it, or want to, why don’t they go after the winged lights we drop when they hit us??

[tulip aspen]

it could also be moreso that they're comfortable in the dark, rather than in danger of the Light

[rugged jackal]

This game is complicated

[tulip aspen]

because they cant actually absorb it

they want to but they're too far gone for that, so it kinda just spills all over the place

[maiden fog]

In light of todays quest, i think light repels/traps them. So light like us, they attack so they won't be caged i guess.

When we took those crystals any barriers keeping them away were gone. They roamed free. The crystals seem to be some sort of light and i dont think they can distinguish between us and those crystals and the barriers they created.

Maybe they were the first creatures that came to darkness. Maybe the people of the past experimented too much and stole their light (i.e krill) to create crystals. Then the krill turned on them and the light.

I dont know but todays quest was enlightening

The king krill scares me

[rugged jackal]

Same

[maiden fog]

This season opens a lot of lore discussion.

[rugged jackal]

On the topic tho, why is the King Krill down there at the bottom of the ocean (as far as I know) in the first place? How did they even get him down there?!

[haughty talon]

Lore with lots of holes that we got to theorise and fill, as usual

[maiden fog]

I cannot make too many comments on him. I play beta and I know the ending. I refuse to spoil things.

20 days is too long.

I have no clue how he got down their though

I wonder why their isnt another on of him in the whole game. I kinda expect one to be in eden but their isnt

[rustic heron]

So I was thinking about crabs again, and I think I know why they aren't near any golden containers in Forest. What do we know about forest that makes it unique for darkstone?

It's where natural darkstone deposits are. Darkstone is mined there. Natural crabs develop in Forest when the natural darkstone deposits are exposed to light. That's why they're in the caves; that's where the darkstone is.

[maiden fog]

Im confused

[rugged jackal]

Same buddy, same

[maiden fog]

I gonna write my theories on king krill for later. I will forget otherwise. The darkness in the game. Man, it sneaks up on you.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[hushed steeple]

it is that deep, doodlebot

[nimble ingot]

credit to Alasdair

[harsh pecan]

Bro 😭

[boreal nebula]

I made a video, Opening The Tower just for the records (and also because I had to restart several times 🐛 so I got the chances)

[velvet berry]

I wonder if this season is going to explain exactly WHAT this thing is and WHY the ancestors even thought it was a good idea to keep it in their basement. Did they catch it?? Are we going off the theory they modified krill as weapons? Bad ideas all around on their part

[thin dirge]

It doesnt make sense to keep a creature that big and also CORRUPTED in there.... So there's 2 options for this.

1. They found the dark creaure and put it in there so that it wont stir trouble again
2. It actually wasn't corrupted when it was captured. But it got corrupted during the time it was trapped there.

Considering how the underwater infrastructures there seems to have a purpose of holding in light creatures rather than dark creatures, Im leaning towards the 2nd option. This may have happened for the Krills as well...

[main nest]

Ah, thank you for summarizing the two scenarios so well

[rigid mural]

Thank you ! Switches can only record 30 seconds and I underestimated that cutscene length

[hushed steeple]

Guys, do you think that maybe in the future we'll get an update where we could get a chance to see how the sky world looked like before, i just think it'd be pretty neat and fun to explore

[nimble ingot]

10/10
Thanks for taking the time to do this.

[boreal nebula]

My theory is that they catched sky creatures as a rescue center or simply to study them

But since the Eden made the civilization fell the creatures remained trapped there.. even those that could have been freed safely, not just the Krills + Leviathan

[nimble ingot]

This also shows the leviathan dipping down at the end. 👀
So it has to be down the deep hole.

[boreal nebula]

Mmm you reminded me of something I saw 4 weeks ago

[late wasp]

that gate looks like the King's castle at eden...
after the hug, and you are all shiny, you get up at a building, after this building, we face a giant gate into the actual mountain peak. (the place full of creatures)

[rigid mural]

Made me think of this door in forest

[late wasp]

Vela you are a genius! It really is just like it!!!!

[rigid mural]

Switch trailer's riding manta has a body type similar to that of the elder bird from rythm

[late wasp]

I decided to read about "Ethiopian Architecture", given by how ancient their culture is. And look what I found!

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[orchid jolt]

It is now, I brought a shovel

[thorny zealot]

What rune is that?

Oh I see now

[distant turtle]

Do you think there used to be a continuous elevated road starting somewhere in Valley and ending somewhere in Wasteland? The very start of the race, at least the first one, looks like a broken beginning of a road, and there are all these supports in Wasteland and what look like fallen road parts.

It would be awesome if the finale is in Eden but instead of the whale busting through the pillar, the leviathan comes and bonks the whale out of the way, and then Bumbling Boatswain comes and leads a restoration project on Eden Castle.

[thorny folio]

I’m confused about the timeline for abyss. Were the spirits affected by the leviathan in the past? Or is this something the skykid is doing in real time?

Also did you guys see the symbols on the control panel in the viewing station? They look like the old alphabet

[jolly jolt]

OK so we just released the krill and that huge one, where the heck did they go?!

[true grove]

The symbols are the same as the ones on bells
probably because they used the same texture

[nimble ingot]

Illuminati x2?

Interesting username.

[true grove]

[thorny folio]

Maybe, they look more pronounced in abyss however

[quasi wigeon]

Okay- is there a cohesive document I can read on Sky lore? If not, is anyone willing to give me a summary of the main points so I have context? All I know is that everybody has somehow died save for us the little children and there was a corruption.

[hushed steeple]

Theres a bit of a lore document here, but some more recent stuff is missing and some lost sources where paraphrased

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/mobilebasic

I’ll type a little summary of generally agreed upon timeline here in a second

So the general story is really vague, and everything not nailed to the floor is debatable. But basically spirits are stars, they live in a cycle of life death and rebirth to bring light they gain from life to the megabird, which is like the collection of light/orbit/god and be reborn. Something bad happened and the rebirthing stars fell back down to living people. When this happened is debatable as in stargazers memory we can see someone very important fall who might have played a part. We think its the prince/king of sky kingdom who may have been the first skykid, and became eden elder. Same who won the trials and granted elders elemental powers, but eventually overused a light-consuming substance called dark stone and became corrupt (some concepts even show him as a final boss!). So with the stars fallen, and eden blown up presumably by that big diamond, the megabird blesses the land with a new race to save the trapped souls and re inhabit the ruins. Also krills are corrupted light creatures.

[quasi wigeon]

So the reason why Krill attack is because they're trying to regain the light they lost? Also, where can I find the Eden elder concept designs?

[hushed steeple]

Probably! Darkness is very instinctual, it always seems hungry. You can find a lot of king concepts in the pins of this channel but I also made a big compilation of some notable ones

[quasi wigeon]

I officially love the Eden Prince/ Elder!

[hushed steeple]

Welcome to the club

[narrow crescent]

So I realized that just before you go into the point of no return in Eden there’s a sound effect on loop that plays.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDQH9CpfAYQ it’s this, though I think the audio has been sped up and pitch adjusted. I need to get a video of my own n post it here to make sure.

Are they praying? To who? If Eden is/was the place of ascension is this how they ascended back into Orbit and to the megabird?
Are the loud noises I hear on occasion krills or some other form aggressive darkness coming to being? The storm? I think I hear a terrified group of screams, though it could be the echo of the wind created from whatever’s going on.

It is in fact sped up. Here’s what I caught of the in game effect.

[rigid mural]

Yeah I was wondering about that too ! I don't have the tools to check it but my hypothesis is that it might be a distorted version of the track that is sung right before landing in orbit.

That, or the vocals of the intro song in isle.

[hushed steeple]

It sounds like a chorus kinda singing a...dirge, if that's the right word? Like the soundtrack music that plays when a hero is off to sacrifice themselves during a climax in a movie
Which would be fitting given the whole point of Eden
This was great to see!

[half shadow]

THIS IS ADORABLE. I doubt I could make such cute drawings. I might give it a spin, though!

It would be pretty similar to that with maybe some attempt at organizing in a faux-taxonomy chart lol

[rapid arrow]

Ok what are the sky kids and their capes/wings. I’ve noticed they move along with the sky kids arms?

[half shadow]

Nobody’s quite sure! I think the simple answer is that it’s just plain Light magic.

[hushed steeple]

hello, who knows the exact correct name of this monster? Not fictional

[half shadow]

Skykids themselves are theorized to be made up of a few things: clay, stone, charcoal, etc. I’m personally in that camp as well, they’re sort of like little golem vessels.

[half shadow]

It doesn’t have a name that’s been stated in game, but lots of people have taken to calling it the Leviathan, or Levi for short. Some others call it King Krill, Elder Krill, Dark Whale.

[narrow crescent]

Could you explain why you believe this? I’ve never heard of it and I’m intrigued.

[hushed steeple]

I know it's not in the game

I was hoping the developers clarified somewhere. It is a pity that they do not report the names of the creatures in the game

[wise rampart]

on the subject of the chanting, you guys do realize that the eden ost is Dies Irae, a medieval death chant

[hushed steeple]

I think Leviathan fits better. Because it doesn't look much like a shrimp in my opinion. Thanks for the naming options. By the way, I think that this adult version of one of the new creatures that are in the water

[narrow crescent]

Hot diggity I didn’t know. Interesting.

[hushed steeple]

Didn't I say it was a dirge!?

I mean the creature that swims every time to the place where the manta were locked. It is also white, but it does not have red eyes and a similar physique

[rapid arrow]

I will be listen to this every moment I get thank you!

[wise rampart]

Yes. I also believe that the chanting is just a modification of the isle intro after some listening

[half shadow]

Sure thing! It’s obviously not confirmed but I personally like it. The main theory is based on the fact that Skykids are born from an inherently magical source, falling out of the sky like stars upon their creation and rebirth. Some think they might even be actual stars given a humanoid shape and therefor have bodies of stone like asteroids. Physically, skykids resemble the Ancestor spirits, particularly Ancestor children, but they’ve been confirmed by the devs to be more of a subrace and that they will not grow up and become Ancestors adults. The fact that they each carry a flame physically inside of them with the ability to produce it from their chests is another factor into why people think so. And when they do die in Eden, their bodies grow stiff and become hardened like stone statues. So it’s nothing really exact and more just speculation due to their physical attributes, but I think it’s neat.

[hushed steeple]

The Isle soundtrack is kind of an overarching soundtrack for all kingdoms of Sky, I feel like.
We encounter a set of notes in every realm, except it's always altered and hidden between other parts of the music. For example, you could change the instrument or the tempo to match the mood of the realm.
In Prairie when you mount a manta, the music swells.
In Forest, that music has a bittersweet tone to it, like the end of one era and the beginning of another.
In Valley the music is energetic, in Wasteland it's ominous.
Just little flavours of the realms of Sky

[half shadow]

also OHMYGODYOURERIGHTHOWDIDINOTNOTICE

[hushed steeple]

Have spirits always been spirits? Or were they alive? It's more of a theory

[narrow crescent]

Ahhh this is great, thanks!
(Possibly also why they don’t break bones when I bump into stuff with my horrid flying skills)

[hushed steeple]

This reminds me of how much I was bonking around in Valley today

I mean before the darkness came

[half shadow]

Yeah that’s another one! The little tink sounds they make when bonking into things certainly doesn’t sound like they’re made of flesh and bones

[wise rampart]

I play trombone as a hobby. Musical analysis is a skill that I have to learn.

[half shadow]

The spirits were alive at one time, yes. You can actually see some very much alive spirits in the Nintendo Switch Sky trailer!

[hushed steeple]

The Isle intro has the answer to that, I think
I believe they were alive at some point, simply because we refer to the souls of dead people as spirits (and the game heavily implies this). And for something to be dead, it would've had to be alive at some point too.

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I saw. There, even crabs are ordinary creatures and they have not yet been consumed by darkness. They were so funny. The graphics in the trailer look cool

It would be funny if the shrimp were not consumed by darkness too

[hushed steeple]

I learned the guitar for like two years nearly a decade ago
But I admire your music analysis skills
If I can fit it in, I might see if I can find the specific set of notes I'm talking about

[loud canopy]

Did lore chat talk about the abyss paintings?

[hushed steeple]

I would actually like to know that too, because I haven't been here in a long while

[loud canopy]

I keep seeing them and curious to see other people talk about em I have no idea rn but have a screenshot of the paintings

[narrow crescent]

Can someone send me the link to the trailer? I havent seen it.

[hushed steeple]

This actually makes me think of a mining colony

[loud canopy]

I think the water levels used to be stopped by damps, also on the middle right looks like a shrine of some sorts

What were they doing to that manta? Is that possibly the manta that gives us dive? We're they enchanting it, my mind is rushing with ideas

[rapid arrow]

https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU

Nintendo switch trailer

[narrow crescent]

I think they imprisoned the mantas and used them to create some darkstone. thats from what i know (and remember), at least.

[loud canopy]

Are those the resources we gather?

Why do the abyss spirits even need em or want em. What are they using them for... Possibly to upgrade their boat?

I do remember seeing some batteries on a boat concept a few days ago here, maybe they need to recharge their boat. ARE THEY STUCK ON THE LAND?

[hushed basalt]

I think I might have found one of the inspirations for the krill?? (I know this isn't exactly lore, but i'm not sure where else to put this.)
Peter Ferguson's "The Grotto at St. Michel Lo" (Source: https://peterfergusonart.com/gallery/the-grotto-at-st-michel-lo)

[narrow crescent]

darkstone is used in a lot of places across sky to power up several things, from doors to boats to the elevator in Vault.

[formal skiff]

Day of Anger, what an ominous name!!!

[mortal sluice]

Just noticed this sticker interesting bird or creature

[wise rampart]

It’s quite easy to decipher with traditional latin roots. Irae=irate, etc

[rigid mural]

TGC bring elder bird back challenge

[frigid tinsel]

in addition to what fish said, there's a few reasons why skykids (at least their physical bodies/shell) are thought to be made out of these materials.

–clay: when skykids crash into the ground or walls, you hear this pleasant "ding" sound. it's reminiscent of pottery or fine china clicking together, hence the thought that they may be made of hardened or glazed clay.
–stone: the idea is that, upon landing, whatever magic is imbued with skykids forms their physical body from the material of the ground they landed on. since skykids are born on the sandy shores of the Isle or reborn on the stony constellation table at Homespace, their physical bodies are made of that surrounding material.
–charcoal: in Tom Zhao's concept art, he says that the Elders' bodies and parts of elder light creatures, such as the armored faces of whales, are made of charcoal. since there are some similarities between skykids and Elders, it's possible skykids may also be in-part made of charcoal.

keep in mind that these are at least "magic induced," giving their bodies properties superseding the material in it of itself. like charcoal and clay are rather fragile irl, but obviously skykids are very hardy, and stone is immobile, but skids are flexible and able to move. that may be credited to the magic that composes them.

[rapid arrow]

There’s also the theory that skykids are made of wax

[formal skiff]

Yeah I’m taking Latin this year
Ira is “anger”; irae is “of anger” or “anger’s”

[wise rampart]

:0 nice

[tulip aspen]

djdbkdblfn the megabird body is just made of candle wax

[tulip aspen]

amazing wording of it

[wise rampart]

if you listen to the eden ost you can actually hear it in the main fanfare. Diiii es iiiii rae

just to phonetically sound it out that is

[tulip aspen]

there's also the more widely anecdotal side of it

we know skykids are solid and physical, yet their actual internal forms are made of Light, so that must mean they have physical bodies with Light carried inside

they gain these bodies the moment they crash into the earth, so it stands to reason that they gain these shells over their Light, from the earth itself!

[tulip aspen]

awesome point about how the statuesque death really does hint towards that

personally, i also believe that despite the ancestors being able to age and grow, they also are clay shells, just with a lot less Light in them which, as a condition, makes them mortal

the reason i believe this is because they come place the same place Skykids come from, and i fail to see how one Being of Light would become more... biological than the other

after all them aging is theorized to be based of wisdom they gain rather than time lived, so them aging could possibly just be some sort of magical condition

[frigid tinsel]

someday i'm gonna write a doc that goes into detail about skid anatomy but for now i just have the outline

my working theory on the composition of a skykid
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[tulip aspen]

btw @rustic heron i saw your comment on why i dont comment on music theory

i have made many in the past in cozy chat, but i personally dont see the musical themes giving me much arguments or evidence towards my work here so its kinda irrelevant; i dont think there's hidden messages or anything to be found or cared about in the music and it expresses exactly what it's supposed to

i definitely do love appreciating it cos damn diamante is a legend

[frigid tinsel]

frankly I can't add to music theory due to lack of knowledge aside from the fact that music does influence the game's atmosphere and emotional impact.

[tulip aspen]

imo that's all it does?
it'd frankly be weird if there were hidden messages, after all it's not like TGC made an elaborate scavenger hunt with their lore like some other games and media, all TGC did was strip the game of it's storytelling narrative until the story is incomprehensible due to development constraints lol

[frigid tinsel]

well that's all I can say off the top of my head. it isn't uncommon for hidden messages to be encoded in game soundtracks, I just don't have the knowledge or equipment to uncover them.

[tulip aspen]

it isnt uncommon, but im preeeetty sure diamante's contract just told him to make beautiful music, not use the drum beat to make morse code or the vocalist's lyrics actually being code for something in a fake language or backwards words in some real language (the latter would be really cool thooo)

"this song is in 3/4 meter, which clearly represents resh's 3 divorces"

[frigid tinsel]

if the artist wants to do it and the contract doesn't say "don't," then what's to stop them

[tulip aspen]

not caring cos thatd be random

[half shadow]

I don’t think the music would have anything in depth like codes or secret lore messages but I do think hearing about how the music in Sky is implemented and what tracks play where, what the names of them are, and what they could have been inspired by is still worthy of discussion

personally I play with music super low or fully off because I like to hear all the ambient sound effects so I don’t always catch them

[tulip aspen]

oh definitely, the names hold a lot of meaning, we should be calling them out, i think the only person to do so in a long time was Vela

my point was just about the music theory of it

also what do you mean by inspired by?

[rigid mural]

Looked the lyrics up, Dies Irae is the usual pleading for mercy and a place not in hell during the apocalypse. Not sure if this song was chosen on purpose but

[tulip aspen]

definitely a lot of messages to be found in the titles of each song

[half shadow]

oh I absolutely believe it was intentional

[formal skiff]

Oooh

[tulip aspen]

so the vocals are in an actual language??
:000

also what do you mean by not in hell?

[rigid mural]

Dude's asking God to be merciful in his judgment, idk I'm not in the jesus fandom

The vocals in the Isle intro and the path to Orbit sung by Aurora are confirmed to be made up tho.

[half shadow]

yes, dies irae is written in latin, lots of dramatic classical music is! it’s actually a poem, mostly about the Last Judgement and the sounding of the divine trumpet to call souls to God. it was used commonly for roman funeral mass and other liturgy.

[frigid tinsel]

reminding me of the rapture.
oh my gosh.
nvm my relevation doesn't make chronological sense.

[half shadow]

fun fact the first bit of it is actually one of the most quoted in all musical compositions. dies irae in particular is used EVERYWHERE and especially movies, it’s even in star wars! theres a cool compilation on youtube of a bunch of movies where it’s played

[rigid mural]

wilhelm scream

[half shadow]

wilhelm scream

[late wasp]

wilhelm honk

[half shadow]

actually the chanting in eden is just a slow down wilhelm scream

we could get Ki in here to talk more about it, i don’t read music myself

[tulip aspen]

A summary of all titles with likely having lore meanings

"the invention" --forest
"faded glories" --valley
"shall we play" --valley elders
"two heroes" --wasteland elder
 "an invitation" --vault
 "for those who have come before" --vault
 "the story this far" --vault elder
"the current" --the storm
"the deep" --the storm
"exhale" --eye of eden (first song is opening breath (inhale))
"lost and found" --Limbo

[tulip aspen]

so then that means, at least thematically and not directly, the call of the Light asking as to ascend and be with them is a call to... die

[rigid mural]

Tbf sky is based off the stages of life. Light could be the way forward

[keen shore]

Megabird crackpot theory. Megabird is not a god in the traditional sense but a massive light creature at the final maturation stage. It sending down/creating things is just an odd method of reproduction

[rigid mural]

We're feathers that megabird shed.

[boreal nebula]

I suspect in real time...😬

Because all the resources we found (beside the one in the first quest) weren't there when the quests weren't activate yet.. for example in the mine carts or at the top of the tower 2 switches there's nothing or in the slot at the top of the doors we opened to exit the tower, I know because it's possible to enter there even without OOBing (been doing that for 4 weeks)

There are some resources in place, like the first one that opened that towe gratings/doors and those ones that keep enclosed the acquarium mantas

[tulip aspen]

OH
I HAVE YOUR MUSIC THEORY @rustic heron !!!!

the leitmotif of Eden is the Light calling you to ascend

because you are so strongly connected to the Light you can always hear it's voice, and per my theories about it wanting all beings of Light to swim with it forever it just wants you to come back Home

so as we're living in the kingdom searching for spirits and enjoying each other's company, that wailing of the Light calling you to return is always a white noise piercing your mind

...damn I've ruined that leitmotif for myself xD

[tulip aspen]

yee, forward towards the mountain where we will ascend

[boreal nebula]

Unless there is a bug making it invisible and they will fixed like the iconbug for those who have no idea where to start this last quest

[tulip aspen]

terrifying to imagine

[tulip aspen]

with the idea that all music in the game is the Light singing/calling to you, im just imagining that the audio settings TGC gave us in the summer updates are canon, and Skykids can just mute the Light whenever it gets too annoying LMAO

[narrow crescent]

even further proven by headphones accessory

[tulip aspen]

OMG IT ACTUALLY IS LMAO

[frigid tinsel]

wasn't there a quip that the music sheets are "the soundtrack of the world" or something like that?

[rigid mural]

Moth watch out, there's a krill tackling you ! Oh god they have airpods in, they can't hear us–

[rigid mural]

I do recall seeing that somewhere yeah, might be a stream presenting sky but I'm really not sure.

[frigid tinsel]

The Light: come to me, child, gather our fallen stars and ascend
skykid: putting their fingers in their ear NO LALALALALALA

[keen shore]

This reminds me of the concept I had ages ago where sky history isn’t written or always recorded in murals but sung, and that’s what the songs for each place are and why many of the songs have repeating elements

[rigid mural]

This is also the saddest thing, we might never hear an ancestor sing, let alone talk.
We lost huge chunks of irl cultures to the disappearance of people who remember oral history too.

[half shadow]

oh my goodness that’s beautiful. I imagine histories are told via light projections as well, like the memories of certain events can be kept and played back with their songs

[rigid mural]

Maybe this is why performers look pretty important.

...speaking of ! The red gratitude masks are the same color as red candles, make of that what you will.

[frigid tinsel]

regarding the music sheets, I've imagined the spirits teaching the skykids either songs they've arranged or their favorite songs. not really as if they're they're handing the skids paper sheets but that they share the memory of the ensemble via light magic like a recording. when the skykid plays back that "recording" with an instrument in their hand, they get the feel of where and what notes to play in their hands, like a muscle memory.
skids get the same pull when tuning into the Sky world to hear the music or the soundtrack as it is to us.

[thorny folio]

My only thing is, why are the spirits still looking? Are they stuck there? What gain is to be made if they’re dead?
According to the cutscenes the skykid is not the only one looking. Are they doing their hauls before we died and we find what’s left?

[frigid tinsel]

Just cos they’re dead doesn’t mean they’re not done treasure hunting

[static meteor]

be interesting if they came down from orbit specifically to hunt for this stuff but i don't think that works timeline-wise considering the memories

i really wish it was clearer how the skykids and the spirits canonically interact
because season spirits can clearly see us and interact with us in the cutscenes but we're nonexistent while reliving their memories

[thorny folio]

They’re probably stuck like the other spirits were before we relive them

[static meteor]

stuck treasure hunting for the end of time until the skykids show up

[thorny folio]

Maybe because they aren’t fully whole yet? They’re an echo of their former selves, and only gain power once we relive them and they can ascend to the stars and regain full power/form

Like. We woke them up and they were like “ah yes! Treasure time!”

[tulip aspen]

remember, just like dreams it could very well just be a parody of something they actually did, but with the skykid added as if they were there in the past too

OR, since they're doing things like freeing the mantas, it could be more like assembly and sanctuary where they're going to 'make things right again'

either way i personally dislike the idea that the spirits are 'doing things' as if they still live and do things

[tulip aspen]

hmm maybe

I hope that at the ending of this season they're doing all of this for some greater reason or purpose for the more general narrative of connecting everything of the kingdom

i expect to be disappointed however, TGC hasn't proven such things very possible

[formal skiff]

I feel like there’s lots of value in this season because it’s not for some greater purpose. It’s just greed. That represents the general consensus on why the kingdom fell. This feels like a little snapshot of how the ancestors felt about darkstone.

[tulip aspen]

for cannoneer maybe

[rigid mural]

half the playerbase has feelings for that spirit, we can forgive them

[keen shore]

My headcanon as to why they’re still going after darkstone is that they can’t remember much just due to the passage of time on why it’s important to them or why they’re there in the first place but still remember that it is very very important. So they still go after it desperately even though they don’t technically need it anymore, they just remember they’re supposed to get it to survive (when they were alive it was probably to help repair the ship)

[frigid tinsel]

Obligatory

[formal skiff]

I mean you’re not wrong but in my case it’s just good ol’ gender envy XD

[frigid tinsel]

I posted a pic of them on tumblr and someone reblogged with these tags and I’m just yea I know love ya

[formal skiff]

PFFFF LOL

[keen shore]

The other half is aroace

[rigid mural]

merry valentines to aro folks who felt alienated

[formal skiff]

Not aro but i am aspec (for both ace and aro)

[frigid tinsel]

TGC designing Cannoneer: I’m gonna give the gays exactly what they want

[formal skiff]

The Gays, immediately: what if all the spirits are actually cannoneer in disguise

[frigid tinsel]

tbh they have me in awe

and they’re just a fun character.

[rigid mural]

this happens whenever something goes wrong in the wastelands
edit: i thought root beer n ginger beer were the same thing, pretend i wrote ginger beer

[tulip aspen]

does this mean im aroace

[keen shore]

Join The Horde

[formal skiff]

speaking of, i think it's aro/ace week too!

nvm, it's aro week specifically, but ace identities are included, and there's a dedicated ace week in october

http://www.arospecweek.org/
https://aceweek.org/

[frigid tinsel]

aromantic awareness week is always the week after Valentines, so it starts Feb 20

[formal skiff]

love how half the time lorechat is actually just gaychat

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat is very queer and I love it

[boreal nebula]

Doesnt this remind me of the meme from Rapunzel with Flin Rider smiling against the odds

[formal skiff]

honestly, the entire friggin sky community is extremely queer
it's great

[thorny folio]

Yes, but with dreams there was a very clear barrier between the skykid and the dreams girl, whereas in abyss the spirits are directly interacting with us and we are driving the plot

[keen shore]

Ace week is near Halloween I believe

[thorny folio]

Neat!

[keen shore]

Abyss quests in general are Weird, because the other spirits showing us the darkstone they managed to get implied they also looked there, obviously meaning they did things. Other seasonal quests do sometimes involve the other spirits (dreams, enchantment where you give the spirits the lights, assembly where the spirits show you where to meditate, flight quests) but, even though they’re involved, you’re clearly doing something for them and they’re not doing the same thing as well like the abyss spirits are, if that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

hmm i dont think so

in dreams we dance with the girl

we could imagine shes dancing on her own and in the real past she probably was

in the abyss cutscenes so far (i havent played part 4 so im not talking about it) i can definitely see the cutscene happening without the skykid; either way they collected their loot, and they can clearly do so without a skykids help

because of that i can see the cutscene very clearly being possible to have been from the past

ngl the only spirits we ever directly interact with during a season are the scouts before their missions, and even that's a stretch

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe the abyss spirits died and were petrified soon after arriving at Treasure Reef, hence the need to look around and scavenge? They never got to do it when alive?

[keen shore]

Only issue with the cutscene being straight from the past is that everyone reacts to the resources you’ve managed to get. So either you travel back in time to insert yourself into the memory and rewrite it into something happier, travel into their memories of the original event and do the same thing, OR it takes place in real and non illusionary time

Probably leaning towards the second, because we know spirits can project their memories into our consciousness some way or another and that’s what spirit memories are, so us being able to enter complex ones and interact with them is the logical next step

[tulip aspen]

i think, as ive said before, it could easily be a parody with you added in

after all the finale of skater girl looks like it's meant to be done with two people so maybe we were really interacting with her spirit but in the real past she danced alone

[rigid mural]

if abyss isnt set in the present, i headcanon we're reliving the memories... from the POV of the qg. Notice how they are almost always standing in the background ?

[tulip aspen]

yee me too vela

[keen shore]

I’m trying to explain my idea better hold on

The original memory, and the one that repeats for the spirit over and over again, doesn’t have us in it and can be negative. We somehow enter the iteration of the memory currently playing in the spirit’s mind, possibly due to Unknown Questgiver Powers, and help remove the negative parts from the memory. The spirits, who only have their altered memory to rely on in order to recall an event happening years ago, now believe that’s what happened and are happier

[tulip aspen]

yea
this is the qg's story

we can interact with the characters in the story and they will treat us like we were there in it, but in the end it's still their story of their scavenging directly after the first apocalypse

[rigid mural]

brainwashing ?

[keen shore]

Adding on to this, sometimes we don’t update the memory at all (dreams) but help the questgiver/spirits project it somehow so that they can remember or experience it again. Something similar happens with sanctuary, where we don’t help project memories but collect objects that help them remember things

[hushed steeple]

Yea, I'm buying the Sky Soap right now.

[tulip aspen]

ive once had this extravagant theory/headcanon that every season is literally retracing the steps of the prince, and the prince actually did interact with and help the spirits, and we're walking in where their shoes did

for assembly, sanct, ark, and flight that'd require the "everything fell apart again shortly after" tho

[tulip aspen]

yea i also have thought that maybe canonically, the season missions can only begin after all 4-6 spirit memories are relived

ngl i kinda wish we couldn't start the first memory until they actually are all relived, that'd secure some sort of point at least

[frigid tinsel]

Gen chat shenanigans: #general-sky-discussion message

[tulip aspen]

LMAO

i love seeing ash enjoy what they do

[hushed steeple]

I suppose us walking in the shoes of the king might work, but then again everything did already get corrupted.
I also feel that I should bring up the fact that the flight qg was relieved to see us. And also, what about the grandma wax event?
And the fact that these seasons can actually affect things physically.

But if we aren't reliving the memories of the abyss qg through their eyes, then why haven't they taken any part in the story?

I suppose it could have been that TGC intended for the captain to be the qg but then plans changed and they had already spent part of the budget on the animations.

[abstract wasp]

Hi, i feel i haven't been here for more than a couple of months
Can someone fill me in? Has any dev come down and spill some beans?
I think the last time I was around, ash explained the season of flight

Also, has anyone update the word document with all the beans spilled?

[hushed steeple]

Well, I discovered evolution.

[abstract wasp]

Oh?

[hushed steeple]

Its easy to see in the mantas.

[distant turtle]

I think you’re right but that is both 2 and 3. Maybe they did this when they were alive, but now they’re doing it again as spirits, with us. Finishing what they started. Something like that. Flight too.

[tulip aspen]

ive had some takes on them creating things physically; it's almost like they materialize it by sheer will and wishpower, but they can clearly only achieve that with the help of the skykid who gives them confidence

[tulip aspen]

yee definitely

[rapid arrow]

How the time works in sky is so confusing.

One day your reliving dead people and the next your setting free an invasive species into the wasteland and somehow it takes place with in the same time

[hushed steeple]

Skid:can't lift bell with their spindly noodle arms
Sanc. Spirits:"fret nought for our new modern advanced transportation technology will zap the molecules into hyperspace leaving no friction with it and accelerating its disposition to my location. Strength will never matter again. In fact physics is now useless."

[rapid arrow]

Moral of the story. Time doesn’t exist in Sky

[tulip aspen]

yee, jokes aside its not even teleportation cos the real og bell was cracked and broken

so based off you finally finding what the assembly team could never find, you give them hope, and that gives them the strength to materialize the bells into existence again

[hushed steeple]

Im going to call the krill predicament as "unwanted evolution" and visit it another day.

[rapid arrow]

Unwanted evolution and invasive species

[hushed steeple]

Did you just combine assembly and sanctuary on accident?

[hushed steeple]

Technically the krill were at the island before the ancestors, but ok.
Im sorry if that sounder rude, it was not the intent.

[rigid mural]

putting this headcanon of mine here

[frigid tinsel]

yes yes yesyesyes

[keen shore]

• light whisperer as well

[rigid mural]

salem, you dropped this: 👑
this whole season reminded me of my youth as a wannabe ornithologist tbh

teen me 🤝 light whisperer
_ _ bird special interest

[formal skiff]

YES YES YES

I also wanted to be an ornithologist. Sadly I haven’t gone birding in SO LONG and that kinda makes me cry I miss birding.

[rigid mural]

i went birding once with a group of ornithologists but they disbanded with covid, i get you

[formal skiff]

I need to do that sometime… even just a walk around the block with my camera would be good tbh. Might have to wait until it warms up though or else my hands might freeze. Definitely when warbler season rolls around I’ll get out again. I have a birder friend so I can tag along with them.

[rigid mural]

OH LUCKY i dont know anyone that would be down to just walk around in silence lmaooo

[formal skiff]

Lolllll lorechat gaychat birdchat

[formal skiff]

BUT BIRDS-
How could they not be interested XD /lh

[rigid mural]

sorry but flight season best season, if lore chat cant deal with birds then cope !

[orchid jolt]

(first, sorry if I sound rude. My intent is to inform others and I have a hard time with tone - especially through text) btw, creatures evolving was a thing in the concept art. It is regularly toyed around with here. Kamilico has actually had an evolution tree drawing for some time (but my concept of time is really bad, so take "some time" with a pile of salt)!

[tulip aspen]

ope yeah lol, but same applies

what sanct team could never find
what assembly could never build

[tulip aspen]

i like recording different bird calls during my hikes, sometimes i put them into my backtracks and songs

[boreal nebula]

Can I ask you with what program/app you sketch these drawings? They have an oddly nice touch of pixels

[boreal nebula]

Some opinions about these thoughts? Anyone?

[harsh pecan]

Tbh I think it’s a gameplay mechanic but if it’s not then that’ll be kinda weird

[tulip aspen]

im not sure what it means, but some other people did and already commented fam

[rustic heron]

How are spirits collecting anything? They’re dead, and ethereal.

Unless…

[frigid tinsel]

spirits in Sky seem to have some degree of tangibility given they can hug and high five other skykids as well as pick up objects.

[rustic heron]

Also, thanks for the music theory commentary. My knowledge of music theory is equivalent of “that sounds good hurr durr “.

[steel wigeon]

so re new season: are the explorers part of the people who built the (now) ruins or were they just people who found them before us?

[tulip aspen]

for slightly better context, a leitmotif is when a theme is played whenever a character or event is present to deliberately make the audience associate with that character

here's a really good appealing vid on leitmotifs in games, scruffy is a genius with music theory and an absolute dream of composition
https://youtu.be/-x1kn0-HIO8

its a 20 min video so i recommend playing it during lunch dinner or breakfast lol

[rigid mural]

paint

[harsh pecan]

They just found them, I doubt a small group like theirs can build something like that

[boreal nebula]

Ahh, that might explain the pixel detail... it does suit this sketch style tho

[boreal nebula]

Idk what leitmotif you were talking about (was it again about Dies Irae like the other day discussion with Baudshaw 🤯 ) , but that Super Mario theory was very interesting pearl, thanks ||said from someone which was bored to death by Music subject terminology in middle school 😅 ||

[ionic cave]

What are the pipes in wasteland used for 🤔

[harsh pecan]

Sewage

[tulip aspen]

try watching the video i sent, i think scruffy is the best teacher for it

[ionic cave]

Sewage from where 😶

[tulip aspen]

my original comment was about how the song we hear throughout the game is associated with ascending and returning to the Light, so I see the song as almost like the Light is calling to us @boreal nebula

[harsh pecan]

The waste?

[boreal nebula]

In my interpretation. they were used to carry clean water to Eden as a cooling system for the Giant Power Diamond, (all pipes for sure seems to go toward Eden)

Maybe after the catastrophe the corruption spread to GW downhill. But the other common interpreation of the Sewage could be possible

[boreal nebula]

I didn't make myself clear, I watched it all and It was very interesting

[ionic cave]

The diamond need cooling?, Just what is the diamond 💎 🧐

[tulip aspen]

all the machinery?

[tulip aspen]

thats awesome!!!

[boreal nebula]

we usually call it like that the red thing we see on the background when we are in Point of No Return ( the one from where the vertical beam starts)

the diamond, I meant

[ionic cave]

I didn't see any machinery requiring sewage

[ionic cave]

That diamond is wild, at most I could see sewage connecting to the final area but not the diamond itself 😑

[tulip aspen]

darkstone is a special resource that seems to suck up light and then emulate some kind of power, making it useful for all sorts of machines

the prince discovered it and the kingdom started mining it so they could use it for all sorts of devices

darkstone, when refined, creates power diamonds

power diamonds can make things float, hold things together, move large objects, and most mysteriously, either project illusions, or tap into the minds of ancestors and skykids

they seem to spew hazardous waste like corrupted batteries, but it is unclear what causes them to do so, and our only visual example of this occuring is the most dangerous and violent one; the giant diamond in the Eye of Eden

the hazardous waste seems to corrupt all beings of light. It traps the spirits of ancestors within their bodies and corrupts creatures of light turning them violent.

[boreal nebula]

But we actually don't know what That Diamond was meant for. Heck, we don't know what the Resources were called for sure, or how the golden containers we see in GW, Forest & Sanctuary were called

Yes, here in lore the Resources are called also darkstones, but that name was never seen used ingame and the fact there is a Tearful Light Miner IMHO might means these crystals collected by Commodore we see in Abyss weren't harmful per se.

Also resources we see in all kind of realms looks very crystal clear, until we lit them. I think they were prisms per se, which could reflect what they were infused with

[ionic cave]

So you are saying the Eden diamond is generating waste?

[boreal nebula]

Reflect and amplify

[ionic cave]

Yes, this makes more sense but the pipes are still a mystery, what are these pipes there for 🤔

[keen shore]

Darkstone on its own is not harmful. When it’s not charged, it’s just a pretty looking rock. The issue is that it can hold light inside of itself like a battery, and when it does this it can power tons of mechanisms as well as helping heavy things float (such as boats). By meditating we can temporarily fill small crystals with light, which is how the boats leading to treasure reef and forgotten ark work. The boats in isle and prairie likely worked the same way as well, just operated by ancestors instead of us.

…Except that only works for small crystals. For complex mechanisms and larger boats, we can charge the darkstone there with our candles, but ancestors probably didn’t have enough light to charge them on their own. Also, light creatures are the most concentrated form of light they had access to in order to charge them, except when you suck all the light out of a light creature, Bad Things (corruption) tends to happen. You can probably see where I’m going with this

[hushed steeple]

Hi

[ionic cave]

So what happens if you suck all the light from a manta 😶

[keen shore]

Pipes in Eden were likely to transport clean water around the area and maybe down to golden wasteland as well. It’s on a mountain, so probably had enough fresh water to go around. They could also be just to transport sewage or general waste products away from the top, although there doesn’t seem to be a refinery in Eden or much evidence of a massive city, so probably the first

[ionic cave]

In my opinion light creatures like the manta are made purely of light and they dissapear when light is absorbed, it's seen when a krill hits the manta in gw

[keen shore]

Sometimes mantas do leave behind skeletons, a replica of one is shown in vault. This might be from the four+ winged mantas though instead of the generic 2 winged variety that got krilled

[ionic cave]

Why pipes are there only from gw onwards, don't other realms need water transportation 🤔

[tulip aspen]

i assume so, but all we know for sure is that

1. there was an apocalypse that killed all the ancestors and corrupted creatures
2. there's a giant murder diamond overlooking the entire kingdom on top of mountain
3. the closer you get to that mountain the more destruction and corruption you will find

this game's story is very vague so there are a lot of things we have to assume

[ionic cave]

Ohhh yea

[tulip aspen]

nice work thanks lol
i ain't cutting it rn too busy

[keen shore]

2 winged mantas don’t seem to leave behind anything when all their light gets sucked out, which is probably how the refinery/darkstone charging station in forest’s temple was able to function without filling hidden forest with krills (a manta sign near the elder statue denotes that this refinery uses mostly mantas)

Here’s a message link (#lore-discussion-spoilers message) to a speculation/theory post more in depth about corruption. TLDR: larger and more complex creatures are more likely to leave corrupted remains behind than mantas are

[keen shore]

Valley has a ton of clean mountain water and snows constantly so they’re fine. Forest also has tons of water. Not sure about isle and prairie, but given the geometry of prairie and how old and worn down all the isle ruins are, could just be that the pipes in these areas got destroyed before we could find them

[ionic cave]

So you are saying krills come from mantas 😱

[ionic cave]

Ahhh golden wasteland is a wasteland....so it might need more water

[boreal nebula]

I would be glad to read their observations tomorrow (this will be my comment/bookmark) but there is on last observation I'd like to leave as input

From what I recall not all the resources we collected were already there in the present before quest started and manifested on the spot (hope this won't be addressed/fixed/retconned in future updates)

1st quest, Door was closed but I was almost Resource was present
2nd quest, Resources manifested on the mines tunnels and carts
3rd quest, Resources were present to keep the aquarium working
4th quest, Resources were not in place (I entered round room with crabs without OOB and I saw the slots above doors empty) but since Giant Door was sealed it was reasonable it was inplace like aquarium (but I cannot be sure, cause I didn't want to spoil me the story so I didn't OOB there)

These seems to suggest me that these season evokes/manifests thing that were actually already collected by questgiver and some we clumsy pick up ourselves 🚨 (unleashing the Kraken Leviathan)
A good mix of Past & Present

[keen shore]

There are TONS of theories on what light creature specifically krills come from. Mine is personally that they’re skeletonized manta corpses that somehow fused together during corruption process, but other options include the various massive light creatures we can find around, or even the light creature we can see in the switch trailer that isn’t present in the game. Their exact origin animals aren’t too important, but they are definitely corrupted light creatures

[tulip aspen]

lol im literally re-vitalizing the krill doc rn
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sharp lichen]

James Conover?

[tulip aspen]

who?

[sharp lichen]

It says that James Conover is the owner

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

[tulip aspen]

bru ur theories as have been so trippy lately

i kinda wanna see that drawn out or animated, some kinda horrifying amalgamation process

do you think i should add that to the krill doc?
i wanna hear any evidence on that if you have it

[keen shore]

I also have a small headcanon that the sludge in GW is all the leftover… soft bits?? decomposed from leftover light creature corpses after corruption. Basically, all the skin, muscles, and organs that didnt immediately dissipate, but stuck around, and since reanimation into a krill takes a while, it decomposed like normal flesh would (although it turns very dark and gross) and Boom! Sludge!

(side note. I don’t think this is actually canon, I just like it as a headcanon because body horror is so fun)

[sharp lichen]

Sky would fare well as a horror game

[uncut pond]

Are you implying Wasteland and Eden aren't a horror game already?

[keen shore]

It is on my list of things to draw as soon as I get a chance!!!

Also you can, but it’s mostly a fun personal headcanon for me. Like the sludge idea above, I don’t think it’s actually canon, I just like the concept of it. But evidence would probably be along the lines of krills’ long spindly limbs resembling what manta wing bones would probably look like, their head shape being similar to mantas, and the idea that if light harvesting left any manta remains behind, they would probably be piled up somewhere as waste. All those combined and I instantly thought of Giant Amalgation Horror Monster

[harsh pecan]

If they added the concept krill with teeth then yes

[uncut pond]

Sonic Movie krill

[haughty talon]

My assumption was TGC didn't want to show krill gulping a manta (you know extra moving parts, cutscene, animation etc are overheads) so instead showed krill charging and attacking then manta vanishing...

We may get to know more about 'eating light creatures' in future seasons may be

Krill season when?

[ionic cave]

But a krill is so different from a manta...I would have believed if there was a dark manta but I see no reason for a manta to change it's skeletal structure cause it got corrupted. In my view the physics of the sky universe is different from normal physics cause of the presence of 'light energy'.

The living things that developed in such an enviornment evolved to utilise light energy for their benefit

1. creatures like manta, butterfly etc are light based creatures

However another type of creatures that prey upon light and have light absorption properties also emerged

2. the second type of creatures are dark creatures like the krill and the abyss fish.

There are also creatures that don't have light energy or prey upon light
3) this 3rd type of creature might be some types of whales(I am not sure about the santuary whale), goldfish etc

Crabs might be a dark creature since sky kids no longer suffer damage upon impact. So only light absorption can damage a sky kid.

This does not mean that dark creatures are superior to light creatures since a very strong light creature can stun a dark creature. Like how a sky kid can flip crabs. It may be possible for a very strong deep call to defeat a krill. Also physical strength can also play a factor.

Whales are pretty strong even if they have no light energy. This is seen when a whale smashes through the obstacles in Eden..

The elder mantas that appeared in season of light were pretty strong too....but they might have amplified their strength with light energy (I don't know if that is possible)
Krill have no strength feat to speak of ..except throwing arround sky kids 😪

[tulip aspen]

i just tried playing it on piano and sax-
then humming, whistling, then clarinet just to edge the pitches off a bit more

i could..... TECHNICALLY say.... it's kinda like the Light's leitmotif, but........

it's really impossible to tell tbh
it's just too warped
maybe ill bring up this alongside the leitmotif to a mixer i work with on collabs to see if he can come up with an answer, but now knowing this chant exists is really going to bother me

great find!

[ionic cave]

Yes we need proof... possibly soon

Ahhh that has a mouth...we can discuss about that after it is done 😳

[tulip aspen]

I'm trying to recall any new research we have on new evidence for both the cinematic creature and the whale, can anyone remember

[ionic cave]

That beggs the question. How does a sky kid eat 😶. I have seen them eating snacks, but they have no mouth 😃

[tulip aspen]

events aren't really Canon, so bloom and the like are up for debate on whether it matters

[ionic cave]

Well they drank tea then

[late wasp]

Ash (thatgamecompany's concept artist) said she likes to think the Skykid is splashing the tea on their face

[tulip aspen]

i do too

[ionic cave]

Well the tea set was made from light energy. The spirits actually only sell blueprints to the sky kid. The sky kid manifests the new cosmetics using light energy. This is why the cosmetics dissapear when a sky kid loses light energy. By that logic the tea set was light energy so is the tea. Which means the sky kids was just absorbing light energy through its face 😶

[distant turtle]

My sky kid is just really good at assembly

[late wasp]

That's also another way to see their anatomy, it is something I noticed with the crab barbecue in Golden Wasteland.

The cooked crabs are releasing light fragments. Meaning Skykids/Ancestors really just eat light. It's basically just absorbing the light of something else.

Which then connects to fire and the geysers, that show us it's not just light, but heat. A hot tea cup is nutritious because it is hot, just like a geyser replenishes your light.

That being said, I agree with you!! Even the real deal is more about tea being warm.

[keen shore]

Yeah, krills and mantas are very different. That’s why I said above that krills could be an amalgation of many mantas, to explain the “leg” amount

Eden Boat Update. Headed through Eden up to where the storm begins and found no boats at all, other than the first two I already recorded :(

[tulip aspen]

hmm
where were they again?

[keen shore]

In the first area with the massive door you have to open up. They’re off to the side, near the cosmetics shrine

[tulip aspen]

ohhh, so at Edengate

hmmmmmmmm
fascinating

dw salem im sure its not the end of this

[frigid tinsel]

Edengate sounds like the name of a scandal surrounding Eden.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[keen shore]

I am now extremely tempted to call the disaster Edengate

Can someone link me to the post where it has the confirmed heights of the things in office, please?

[frigid tinsel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980

[frigid tinsel]

you were involved in Edengate, weren't you?

[rustic heron]

Listen here, you contemptuous little excuse for a sub-intelligent android. Your inane antics have gone on long enough. If you ever, in the next 10 trillion millennia, even have the inkling of a thought of posting that insult of a meme again, I will personally end, you, your progeny, and every digital generation that your insipid program could ever possibly spit out from the cesspool that is your binary form until the last black hole in this universe dies its slow, miserable death 10 to the googleplex years into the future.

I'd wish a happy day for you, but we both now I want to wear your electrical entrails like a garish garland more than anyone else. Instead, pretend I invented a new curse to scream at you, you miserable pile of virtual bolts.

[tulip aspen]

wth is a progeny /j

[rustic heron]

Something to be stamped out like the viral infection it is.

[frigid tinsel]

another word for descendants, offspring.
edit: i just saw the /j, I'm tired.

[rustic heron]

@pastel brook is the definition of /j.

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message posting this for myself pretty quickly. The torch is a LOT shorter than I expected it to be, thought it was in the ballpark of 5-6ft but it’s actually close to the 2.6” height

[rustic heron]

I mean, what I really wanted to say isn't child friendly, but it'll do.

[frigid tinsel]

you don't need to swear or be vulgar to give a damn good insult and threat

[keen shore]

The torch being that small is extremely confusing since it implies Flight Guide is a little under 3 feet tall.

[frigid tinsel]

unless the torch can change height?

[keen shore]

Are we sure this is the actual confirmed scale?? this doesn’t feel right

Torch cannot change height, it’s been the same proportionally to my skykid since forever

[rustic heron]

Cursing is cathartic. It's the primal energy of the words that aims a bullet at the soul of the target.

That's probably the most poetic way I could put it.

@keen shore , do you still have the original doc? I have no idea how they managed to find the height of this particular cabinet in the office.

[keen shore]

Yeah! Alasdair linked me to it a little up. I think they found the height of a known game award and worked backwards from there

[tulip aspen]

hmm yeah okay

they kinda remind me of another place but idk where, but that color scheme with the blue paint feels so canny to me

the fact that they're at at Edengate and not actually inside Eden is.... hm....

Edengate is the most fascinating anomaly we'll never really have the answer to, just because of the Elder symbols.
Lets say we go off of the idea that the Elders gave us their Light when we met them and our Light is technically imbued with theirs.

I wonder if the Eden gate can only be opened by the Elders?

if so, why?

why would all Elders need to be there to seal or unseal that door?

were all of the Elders except Isle there when the apocalypse happened? could they truly have sealed it? if so, was it to lock people out?
or lock someone in........

that combined with Ark's lifeboats being there.......

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[keen shore]

Another fun fact about the Eden boats that you may have noticed is that they’re a lot more… square? solid? Than other boats. This combined with the unique square indentations means that even in scenario is where only a small bit of them is visible, they’re still easily identifiable.

The only other thing I can think of to explain them is the fact that their shallowness and general shape remind me of the boats from wind paths, meant to be pulled by light creatures. They’re nowhere near the same model and have tons of differences, but it could be possible that pre-Massive Diamond explosion, darkstone - even in boats - was very strictly not allowed near Eden, so light creatures tugged them instead?

Also note about the color scheme and blue paint. Most boats have that color and blue stripe for some reason

Am currently struggling with running around the office and thinking of things to measure. The issue is, I don’t think they made it to have the exact proportions of irl office because a lot of things come up to skykid instead of people height, I guess just for convenience so we can light the candles?

I could measure off of things like the computers or the doors at the front but those involve tons of assumptions as opposed to an actual thing I can measure against

[hushed steeple]

So, query: how tall is the default skykid?

[tulip aspen]

@keen shore !!!!!!
EMERGEBCY

i oobed underneath the lifeboats with the help of an idiot named @blazing kernel

they HAVE diamonds
BOTH OF THEM

[blazing kernel]

:3 jam needed a chibi’s help

[tulip aspen]

hmmmmmm
ima go with the idiot typing rn to check if ark's lifeboats have them too underneath

[keen shore]

THANKS SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU THATS SO COOL!!!!! I did not notice the diamonds because they’re half buried under the rocks, was totally expecting them to not have any. I wonder why they don’t have any on top?? [Even the isle and prairie boats have one on the very top row]

[rustic heron]

The short answer is we don’t know in terms of human measurements.

[slate saffron]

Smaller then a full lantern 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[wise pike]

Has anyone speculated that the mountain from TGCs journey could be the same mountain from sky's ||eden|| but it's just blown up and become corrupted after some calamity hundreds of years after our ancestors (journey characters) ascended to it and built a kingdom on it?

Also sorry if this has already been thought and talked about never posted here before

[slate saffron]

Dont apologize! It's a very natural idea to think about. Sadly however the devs have confirmed that journey and sky are two separate worlds which I'm still upset about tremendously aaaAAAAA and as a result the mountain in sky cannot be the same mountain as the one in journey.

I FORGOT TO TURN OFF PING IM SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT

[hushed steeple]

Interesting...

[wise pike]

It's okay I like pings! I have a hard time finding messages sometimes so when they highlight in yellow it helps me find it. That's a bummer though. I really thought I had a lightbulb about our ancestors and pre game lore.

[frigid tinsel]

mid height is about 3ft 2in. the tallest skykid (w/ potions, sans spells) is 3ft 11in. the shortest possible height is 2ft 7in. chibis are 2ft 3in.
source: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Could you imagine the implications if Sky and Journey were correlated?

Journey is the Prequel and paths the origin story for Krills and possibly even Skykids.

Those creatures in Journey.. they resemble Dark Dragons. They tear our scarves much like Dark Dragons hunt us for our Light..

[wise pike]

I always figured that the dark creatures in journey could be a de-evolved version of the krill. Plus we collect light sigils in journey so they'd hunt for the same food.

Wait I forgot to turn off ping too I'm sorry

[hushed steeple]

Did they evolve from those creatures, I wonder...

It's a shame they're too stupid to turn a corner you hid behind to locate you.

All those dragons do is arch themselves up like a cat and stare...

And roar at you for a while. Hell, you can even outrun them and they'll give up charging at you.

(albeit that's more of an unintended glitch.)

[tulip aspen]

many across the realms only have two across whole body, with the 'wing' attachment sockets being further below

boat to enchantment is the best example

anyways, are these boats at ark you were mentioning unpainted? (we havent oobed to check if they have diamond eyes under like the one at Edengate yet)

[blazing kernel]

i was trying to tell Jam that same exact point. someday wouldn’t listen to me when i asked why they were underground. do you think tgc did that for a reason?

[tulip aspen]

heyyy i listended
ya dum

as i said to you in game, its prolly just a boat like all the rest, there are plenty of other boats similar

what matters is the diamond refinery symbol, but it's good we're not being weirded out by the idea that the boat might not have been able to fly

[keen shore]

That’s the boat I was talking about!! You can tell it has the square indentations but no diamond indentations inside them, and it has the square bulky shape of an Eden boat (visible from the square front) my guess is that the refinery symbol washed off with the rest of the blue paint

[tulip aspen]

hmmmmm

ig we'll go underneath it to check then

[hushed steeple]

You know.. I wonder. What caused the weird cyclone to spin the way it does at the Wasteland?

And why does it never seem to stop..?

Is it the result of ||Eden||'s storm?

[rustic heron]

Generally, hurricanes and the like are caused by the rising and falling of warm and cool air. This is why hurricanes tend to occur in the tropical areas; the warm air rises and cools, causing convection currents that cause winds to rotate.

What this means for the Eden storm is that, on a mountain with generally very cold air, something must cause warm air to rise; this is likely the warm air generated by the Diamond at the center of Eden. This same mechanic causes the lightning in Eden; warm air and water, due to Eden's closeness to the ocean, cause tall clouds to form. These tall clouds contained ionized particles, which can cause electric charge to form within the height of the cloud.

These clouds are labeled cumulonimbus clouds, and the electric charge built up between ionized particles of dust and water will cause energy to build up and a potential to form, which eventually causes electric charge to build up and seek a ground to reduce the potential (quite literally the ground). The electrical current heats up the air as it surges toward the ground, causing incredibly hot and bright lightning strikes.

[tight scroll]

why are the spirits so tall-

[rustic heron]

The implication is that the water near GW is warm, conducive to the formation of a storm. The bordering mountain range may provide a constant cooling of the warm GW water, fueling an eternal hurricane near the area (AKA between Valley and the GW coast).

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are short: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tight scroll]

ty

[rustic heron]

This makes sense because Treasure Reef, not that distant from GW, is home to much tropical light-life. This would mean the surrounding ocean is generally warm. Why this ocean is warm is not made known, but now you know.

[tulip aspen]

i dont think that it is infinite

its more like it's so powerful it created a storm that will last centuries

we already see it dying down, as more places open up to us, previously hidden behind storm clouds

[tulip aspen]

anticlimactic lolol

im GUESSING those weird hollowed out shapes are the diamond sockets so same result either way ig xD

[rustic heron]

For comparison, the Red Eye on Jupiter is a hypercane the size of the Earth that has been raging for the last 400 years, with no signs of stopping. However, Jupiter is a roiling has giant, and its storms are likely miles deep into its boiling core.

[keen shore]

The possibility that they made two different models with a different that wouldn’t be visible unless you clip under the ground is really weird. My best guess is the ark one was supposed to be more visible, and since a lot of boats in that area had diamonds that are either shaken loose from their sockets or lost entirely, this one’s diamonds got stripped??

[tulip aspen]

yea idk, it's kinda lame

[sage isle]

hi lore chat.

uhm. what the hjonk did I just see :D why is it big. why does it have red eyes. why are there krill with it? :D why was it locked away in the tower :D

[rustic heron]

They had to do something with the bodies.

[sage isle]

WITH THE BODIES?!?!?

[hushed steeple]

Let's just say... ||some skykids weren't very lucky.||

[sage isle]

oh. oh no. so, its loose. ohhh noooo...

[hushed steeple]

And now.. if you go back down there...

||Krills will be looking for you.||

[sage isle]

TGC can't give us a break.., krills. in the water.

[hushed steeple]

||It's their natural habitat, after all. I suppose Krill isn't just a nickname now, is it?||

[sage isle]

and it has so m a n y eyes. w h y.

[rustic heron]

Wasn't the sky kids that they gave it.

[sage isle]

HOLD RHE PHONE

so, you're telling ME. that they gave DEAD sky kids to that thing and possible dead people!??!?! to clean up waste?!?!

[rustic heron]

As much fun as it would be to tug you along, it wasn't dead people or sky kids.

It's dead light creatures.

[keen shore]

That is an interesting explanation for why we can’t find any dead bodies, but unlikely

[hushed steeple]

I'm sure if it spots us, it'll eat us whole. No charging at us. Just.. gone.

What was his name again? ||King Krill?||

[half shadow]

Leviathan is so much cooler

[sage isle]

you sick monster, I love you /p

[keen shore]

Despite its scary appearance, the leviathan is actually a vegetarian and loves to eat massive salads /j

[rustic heron]

Turns out light creatures are just plants.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder.. why are it's eyes constantly red?

[half shadow]

Dude doesn’t even look like a krill! Or maybe he does I can’t tell

[sage isle]

maybe, maybe it's a evolution thing?

[distant stone]

Probably to see better in darkness of underwater

[hushed steeple]

Usually Krills with red eyes means they're enraged.. perhaps the ||Leviathan|| has a temper...

[rustic heron]

Salt water is murder on the eyes.

But in all seriousness, natural creatures of the dark have red eyes. See the Switch Trailer for other natural dark creatures.

[sage isle]

yeah, what king said- oh great. He's Hector from The Amazing World of Gumball.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder though, how come we never see anything but crabs and krills..?
Except for.. whatever that thing is.

[rustic heron]

This is likely why Krill don't have naturally red eyes, nor do corrupted crabs. They are corrupted, not naturally dark creatures.

Leviathan has likely never seen the light, and is adverse to it, as are all natural creatures of darkness.

[sage isle]

evolution? didn't crabs have MULTIPLE eyes in the switch video?

[rustic heron]

They're not crabs. Those are something else entirely. You'll notice they are somewhat similar to the prayer wheels in Prairie.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if that's why it never got angry at us. It just went blind whenever we got in it's view.
(see: oob to visit ||leviathan||)

[sage isle]

....it's not a threat? oh thank eden

[hushed steeple]

It's more like a glitch. There's a high possibility it'll want to hurt you.

[river arrow]

I just want to know why it disappears after the current quest

[rustic heron]

Oh, it's as much a threat as being in front of a blue whale while its feeding, and not being able to get away.

[sage isle]

I no longer like lore chat

[hushed steeple]

That's a good question, has anyone spotted it after that cutscene?

[river arrow]

I was just looking and it's not in the cage anymore... But there's no way something that big can leave the reef.

[sage isle]

I think it went into the hole

[hushed steeple]

I assume it goes under the map since it has no animations or serves any cutscene purposes after the fact, but.. that's no fun giving the technical explanation.

[sage isle]

maybe it saw the light of the reef and didn't like it? then immediately went into a darker part of the reef? aka the hole

[river arrow]

the hole?

[sage isle]

yea, the hole.

it's deeeeeeeeeeep down there. all the way to the bottom

[river arrow]

Of the cage itself? I'm about to go search

[sage isle]

its before the gate thing!

I sound stupid, don't i-

[half shadow]

behold the hole

[sage isle]

imgladthenameiscatchingon

but, yes. the hole :D

[river arrow]

Oh, down there? I was just down there earlier... I went into the cage lol I was very curious

got super scared and nope'd home after tho

[sage isle]

thats why its called the hole. :D

[slow portal]

has anyone attempted to dive into the hole yet
i know i tried to before the 4th quest but couldn't continue on as it was too dark

[rustic heron]

You know what's funny? Has anyone in the game ever tried blowing out a candle? You can't do it. Once you light a candle, it stays lit until you leave the area.

Who blew out the candles?

[sage isle]

....holy.

[river arrow]

I'm down in the hole right now. It's very, very dark and that krill was swimming above me at one point.

[sage isle]

I tried to once, then it got super dark and I got scared.

[river arrow]

I just want to see Big Bertha again It looks so cool

[sage isle]

..maybe it's gone. and in another realm.

[hushed steeple]

It's entirely possible that air is what blows it out.

[rustic heron]

You know what else is funny? The Light directs us to GW, through the Graveyard full of krills. We know we could have flow over GW, above the clouds, and found a hole to descend to Vault from.

Why did the Light bring us through such a dangerous place? And not one, but several.

[hushed steeple]

Though it wouldn't explain the fact it blows out in the Vault..

[river arrow]

the devs are blowing out the candles after players leave areas

[steep prawn]

it is our duty said megan

[hushed steeple]

It's possible players rest in places where candles exist, blowing out the candles to fall asleep.

[sage isle]

now I just imagine that the decs appearing, blowing out the candles, then just gone. not even a puff of smoke-

[grim pumice]

After I finished that last reef quest, I heard a krill screech as I was back on the boat I’d like to imagine my skid was ✨traumatized by Big Bertha

[sage isle]

kiiro, that's an adorable thought :D

[hushed steeple]

A nice thought, but it's unlikely.

[sage isle]

I mean, sky kids DO fall asleep if they're standing in one place for too long

[hushed steeple]

And if you want to REALLY go with that idea, perhaps the rain in the Forest puts the candles out.

[grim pumice]

Candles can go out on their own, ignoring the fact that candles are always around, maybe it’s as if the candles had burnt out/all the way?

[river arrow]

Maybe the presence of skildren keep candles lit, like their light is super strong or something

[sage isle]

I think all sky kids are traumatized by big Bertha- i mean, its bigger, probably stronger, and way more of a threat than the krills.

[hushed steeple]

It's entirely possible that the Leviathan is docile.

[sage isle]

if you say entirely possible in a sentence again, I'm gonna krill you /lh

[river arrow]

That's what I was thinking. If the natural dark creatures have naturally red eyes, they could just be super chill.

[rustic heron]

It's entirely possible you'll krill them.

[hushed steeple]

I overstocked on Krill repellant. And I know how to become immune to Krill attacks without them. Try me.

[sage isle]

[grim pumice]

Seeing how it was imprisoned I’m not sure on how docile it is

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps it got trapped. But what's wrong with sugarcoating it's circumstances?

[slow portal]

i'd like to believe the big fish is docile too
it doesn't have any visible sensors like the krill beams
sure it has many eyes but can they see out of those
a lot of deep sea creatures do not have good eyesight

[grim pumice]

Maybe it’s the Mama Krill, her babies are keepin her safe

[river arrow]

If I find Big Bertha again, I'll try to pet her. If you hear from me again, she's relatively docile. If not...well.

[dawn reef]

Are lanterns in Vault of Knowledge books?

[sage isle]

...what would it mate with

[grim pumice]

Papa Krill, obv

[frigid tinsel]

Krill repellent works on krills, dunno if it’ll work on that behemoth

[hushed steeple]

I believe they do function as some kind of book. How that would work is beyond me though.

[sage isle]

I'm probably gonna get censored by i think it mates via axual

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it's some kind of telepathy thing. I wouldn't know. Never tried to read one of those.. weird book things.

[grim pumice]

Lol Papa Krill is probably in ||Eden|| somewhere

[frigid tinsel]

The memory cubes are. As the name suggests, they store memories (but are not cubes). Unfortunately, we don’t know how to open them

[sage isle]

......what if its this

[grim pumice]

Cell division babyyyy I like that idea.

[hushed steeple]

Something to think about. Remember how Bowser Jr is the son of Miyamoto? (citation: interview with Miyamoto)

[grim pumice]

OOO

[hushed steeple]

I'll let you connect the dots from there.

[sage isle]

very, very dumb idea. but, TH-

[grim pumice]

not really! It’s the only big guy out there that’s not a Manta

[sage isle]

[frigid tinsel]

Asexual reproduction?

[grim pumice]

❤️ le smooch

[sage isle]

oh so it doesn't censor! but yes :D

[slow portal]

when a mama krill and a papa krill love each other very much

[hushed steeple]

thousands of little krill the size of shrimp are born

[grim pumice]

There’s no Big Bertha emoji

[sage isle]

not yet there isn't!

[dawn reef]

What are the crystal trees representing in the second floor of Vault?

[grim pumice]

AND THEY EAT YOUR SOUL TO GET BIGGER

[sage isle]

y'all they mean the big tree that appears after that one spirit is relived

[hushed steeple]

No, they just nibble on your arms when they see you.

[dawn reef]

Yes

[rustic heron]

So, each floor of Vault is representative of the realms. The third floor having the trees is representative of Forest. The trees likely represent the trees in forest.

[frigid tinsel]

Love it when blokes come into lorechat thinking we have all the answers. Oh no, no we don’t.

[grim pumice]

I need to see someone draw a skid with an armful of baby Krill STAT

[hushed steeple]

They aren't big enough (or old enough) to know how to knock light out of your light gem on the center of your chest.

[sage isle]

y'all seem to answer my questions flawlessly- or maybe I'm just a little slow u-u

[rustic heron]

Well, we have answers. Are they good or accurate? Sometimes; it's a gamble.

Lorechat is a gacha for factual information.

[tulip aspen]

we dont have answers, we have t h e o r i e s

[grim pumice]

I wonder how the Krill learn to do that, like instinct? Ancestors weren’t always around It seems, also wasn’t there a discussion about krill just being corrupted things like this dude

That theory seems bunk tho, especially with Big Bertha’s entrance.

[sage isle]

welll, there's some theories that Krill were mounts/guards before wasteland went all...yk, oilyee...

[tulip aspen]

ive been documenting all the evidence towards the different possible candidates for who the krill could have came from
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[grim pumice]

Amazing work

Ah so it is corruption that made them, but then what about reproducing? Do they? Hmmm

[frigid tinsel]

depends if light creatures can reproduce

[hushed steeple]

Krills seem to retroactively detect any kind of Light energy, and that includes when you ride on their backs. They seem to just lock onto you until you go around a corner.

(yes. they get REALLY mad when you do this.)

[half shadow]

sometimes I just lie. did you know every copy of sky: children of the light is personalized?

[grim pumice]

And how do you know

[hushed steeple]

It seems Krills don't have very good object permanence.

[grim pumice]

BAHHAHA yes.

[tulip aspen]

..... cos its in the game

anyways if you'd like a comprehensive review on all info and thoughts we widely have on krills, you could take a look at this doc if you're okay with reading
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

And they don't go to where they last saw you to spot you again to prepare for a charge attack.

[sage isle]

don- yeah..

[frigid tinsel]

Jam: selfless plug night

[half shadow]

the krills in the Reef at least let you get a little closer than the ones in GW

[grim pumice]

I was poking fun at “riding their backs”

[dawn reef]

They look like Skeletons

[tulip aspen]

you mean selfish?
e

[sage isle]

so. that's means they're starving?...

[hushed steeple]

They seem.. incredibly alert in comparison to when they spot me normally while I'm burning out darkness for wax.

[sage isle]

or already dead-

[frigid tinsel]

you can be dead and starving

[tulip aspen]

both!

[hushed steeple]

One even spotted me and charged at me even though I hid behind a wall.. I parted with a few winged light that day.

[half shadow]

I think they don’t need to eat anything except “devour Light” as it says in that one intro screen text I believe

[sage isle]

OHHHH. ZOMBIE KRILLS. I'm so slow. they're dead but starving! like zombies! I think.

[hushed steeple]

(I did get all of them back, but still..)

I can only assume that Krill got really mad that I was on it's back that time.

[dawn reef]

I think they were activated by some kind of dark energy (or created)

[sage isle]

I thought you can't land on their backs? you fly above them and they just know your there

[rapid arrow]

We know Krills can fly and swim.. and that scares me

[hushed steeple]

You can actually ride them.

[dawn reef]

Because they are aquatic like whales

[sage isle]

like kiiro said, the nickname krill isn't a nickname no more

[hushed steeple]

I've done it before, it's just the fact they get really angry that you can't ride them as they charge at you and fly away.

[rapid arrow]

How to tame your krill-

[tulip aspen]

yep you can ride them for sure, it takes a lot of practice tho but im sure all you moths can eventually do it!

[half shadow]

jam no you’re killing moths

[sage isle]

I like my 130 out of 150 stars thank you very much.

[keen shore]

But can you GRILL the krill

[hushed steeple]

Just be warned. Inexperienced Krill riders may part with some winged light..

[half shadow]

We can grill crabs I don’t see why not krill we just gotta grab one first

[tulip aspen]

naaaah theyll be just fine

[rapid arrow]

HA! as if you’ll ever catch me in the GW unless I’m with someone who knows what they’re doing

[dawn reef]

They are dead but created by dark energy (my opinion)

[tulip aspen]

anyone who eats tempura raw is weird anyways /j

[sage isle]

well, I'm gonna sleep. gn y'all! I hope your theories get answered in one way or another:D

[rapid arrow]

We also know that tiny versions of krill exist

[frigid tinsel]

ik the urge to want to ride something so cool but i don't get the urge to try cos it's very evident of a bad idea

[tulip aspen]

nah don't listen to alasdair
it's extremely important to be able to do

all the other players will love you!

[keen shore]

Just place a skykid effigy on a fishing rod and dangle it on front of the krills face. Now they will not go after you and you can control where they go

[sage isle]

y'all are gonna get some moths killed

[keen shore]

It’s okay, they’ll get better

[tulip aspen]

it's just fun and games! :D

[frigid tinsel]

this is the mindset that inspired a character who sacrifices moths to a corrupted skid

[rapid arrow]

Pleaseeee Just kidnap a manta like a carrot on a stick

[tulip aspen]

you should see some art i did recently lolol

[keen shore]

This is morally okay but only if they film it so that we can get lore crumbs out of it /j

[tulip aspen]

FOR THE CAUSE

[frigid tinsel]

i did make a meme of it
(yes i make memes of my own stories, sue me)

[rapid arrow]

Birl Gossing (gender neutral of girl bossing)

[frigid tinsel]

Aalsays: everything is fine, everyone in my friend group is nice and friendly!
Helkipi: hey kid, wanna go to the Wasteland with me? I promise I'll keep you safe. definitely have no ulterior motives.
Aalsays: 👀

[keen shore]

Which god gave you the gift of being able to come up with good character names, and how do I obtain this gift as well

[rapid arrow]

I need a better name for my oc.

Anyways!!!!

Does anyone have any vault tid bits I could eat?

[frigid tinsel]

the soundtrack that plays in the fifth and sixth levels of the Vault features the "king motif," so called because playing it forms a diamond on the instrument UI (user interface)

[keen shore]

Yes, just come to wasteland with me and I’ll give them to you :3c

[rapid arrow]

Oooo.

Also Salem if I have to be taken through the wasteland to get those tidbits I’m not doing that.

Anyways past the point of scarificing moths to a corrupted skid

I’m still coping with the new abyss quest and how it works with the sky and it’s weird process of time

[tulip aspen]

"just like the simulations"

[tulip aspen]

dreams/assembly moment

[rapid arrow]

I just really like both Eden and Vault related thing. My skid usually just hangs around the vault and Eden bring me comfort so I am very excited to learn new stuff about those two places

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes these sort of "nonsense names" come to me in dreams or when I'm idle. "Aalsays" is one of those nonsense names. I've been giving most of my Skyfic characters these nonsense names.
other times I look at websites, like behindthename, and change the name to fit the vibe I'm going for. a name may get distorted a little or a lot until I end up settled with it. "Helkipi" started as "Helena." I don't remember how I got there tbf

[tulip aspen]

you know about vault being some sort of illusion right?

[rapid arrow]

Yep!

[tulip aspen]

nice!
hmm
ooooh, did you hear the theory about the table in the second floor being the meeting room of the Elders?

[rapid arrow]

I’ve heard theories but I would still love to hear what you have to say/gen

[sage isle]

could sky kids bleed red wax

[tulip aspen]

okay krill analysis has finally been cleaned up a lot, thank goodness

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

what's the best way to explain "mass of light" to a wider more international audience?

because not everyone always seems to get what that wording means

[tulip aspen]

sorry for the really late reply but a mod barely just gave me back my message which skybot apparently deleted on accident somehow la sigh

"someone, i think salem, brought it up and we had a whole discussion

there's only 6 chairs
prairie, forest, valley, valley, wasteland, and vault

so isle was still very much never welcome, being banished, and the king (from concepts) is kinda massive, he wouldn't fit inside the room to sit down lol (there were jokes about him just standing on the first floor and just poking his head in)

one chair is knocked down so some people started theorizing about who could have knocked their chair over

some people think it could be prairie elder who didnt like what was going on, others think it could be another elder

there were disputes about if any of them could fit cos maybe the chairs were too big, specifically for the valley twins and especially for vault elder, who's the shortest

i think salem vela and others did size comparisons and we kiiinda thought they'd all fit okay, there were plans to go measure vault elder with chibis and props to see if they'd fit sitting on those massive chairs, i dont think we ever actually did any of that tho lmao so rip"

[main nest]

Why would Isle's Elder be banished? What makes them different from the others?

[tulip aspen]

in the concept art it says they were banished, and that they want to try to make up for something they did, or possibly rather, failed to do

in the actual game who knows just how true that is anymore, but we do see that they don't show up on the gate opening into Eden

so in the end it's mostly speculation lol

[main nest]

Oh I see, thank you for explaining.

[harsh pecan]

Corrupted Sky kids eat other children? Please tell us more

[distant turtle]

If we look at the realms as milestones in civilization, Isle is like hunter-gatherer / Stone Age. Maybe Isle Elder was a total hippie later on and resisted all technological advancements (control over nature) which other Elders were leading.

[terse pasture]

Anyone willing to explain the entire lore to me please? Up until this point I’ve just been going around collecting cosmetics

[late wasp]

problem with that is how the isle people and elder seem to indulge in crystal technology themselves. the elder even has that crystal drip

[hushed steeple]

crystal drip 😭

[rigid mural]

Geezers can have a little drip, as a treat.

[formal skiff]

I shall get those screenshots when I do vault later today

[loud canopy]

Does someone have pics of all of the paintings in abyss? I need to piece some lore pieces together

[nimble ingot]

Here is a thought.
What if the realms reflect the Elder's state of mind?

Picture this:
Dawn is blank and empty, but once was full of life and signs of a past civilisation. The elder is broken by the time the skykids met him, and agrees to help the skykid along the journey.
Day is colourful along with an abundant amount of butterflies and mantas. The ancestors lived out their days in a land rich with resources and were well off, though not advanced. The elder was found sleeping when the skykid met him. It may be possible with the elder known to fall asleep, his realm was as lucid and whimsical as his dreams.
Forest is one of the more sombre and realistic realms. Rain pours down and brings a blueish hue to the area. The ancestors were hard working yet ambitious, who did not let the rain bring them down until something had struck them personally. The elder was seen at her anvil yet unable to use it when the skykids met her. She was able to work once after the skykids gave her something she needed.
Valley is one of the few realms that has multiple paths that lead to the temple (currently 3). The realm is fast paced and had two sides, the wealthy and famous that lived up top, and the more humble and passionate that lived lower down the mountainside. The twins may have their differences and be competitive, though are willing to unite and rule over the realm gracefully, as one.
Wasteland is more grim than most realms, the land is in ruins and riddled in battle scars. The realm is home to the most krill in one area, which leaves the realm not only inhospitable, but dangerous to travel through. The elder is a fierce warrior that has grown weary over time. when the skykids were able to help while he was down, he opened up and let the skykids pass.
Vault is a realm that was once a well kept library of knowledge. But now it fell into disrepair and seemed abandoned, where echoes of the past are all that is left.

[late wasp]

Lion King intensifies

[nimble ingot]

Finally, Eden.
Perhaps the reason the realm is falling apart is because the elder is no longer there to sustain it.
The realm is either has fallen into chaos because it was the last of what the elder felt before they disappeared. Or the realm is no longer connected to the elder and has since been unable to sustain itself.

Either way, the king, the elder of Eden, being missing may be the cause of the storm. With no elder to maintain order, a void has been left that cannot be filled.
Perhaps when the storm started a long time ago, the other elders tried to prevent the darkness from claiming the other realms and sealed it off.
Perhaps the dawn elder tried to help, but could not because his mask broke. Of the other elders, dawn is the most frail and would likely have been too weak to help (hypothesis).

Assuming the King was once the one that could control time (based on a comparison between him being like father time, or the grim reaper, and megabird being the giver of light and life, being like mother earth), when the realm was sealed, the cycle is broken.
I wonder if that was what the murals in dawn was referring to. When the elder 'did not listen' (still considering that valid as the murals were updated, not redacted), and the darkness started to spread. Despite the realm being sealed off, preventing ancestors from accessing the realm. The darkness is still able to reach other realms as they are on the same dimension (hence why we can see the Eden mountain in every realm).

Touching upon the stages of life.
Perhaps it is more so related to the skykid than the elders.
The biggest clue would be the elder of dawn is an old man, not a child. That and the youngest looking elders are in Valley, with both appearing as young adults.

I saw this video that gave this idea, and to give credit, here is a link to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zzEBN6oY5Y

The maker of the video proposed that the stages of life matches the states of the skykids upon their first journey through the realms.
Dawn being their first, would represent birth/infancy. Day being vibrant and playful, represents childhood. Forest being moody and rainy, represents adolescence (teenage hood). Valley being competitive and letting players choose their path, represents adulthood. Wasteland being dark and dangerous (stressful), represents a mid-life crisis (growing old). Vault being calmer and quiet, represents the elderly stage. And Eden represent death, with the king being gone and an inevitability in the chaotic realm.

Additionally, I would include ||Orbit|| as rebirth, being that is where the skykid completes their journey. But must return to fulfil their purpose. Because that is not where their story ends, but where is now where it really begins.

[nimble ingot]

You can search for them in this channel.
Use "has: image" and "in: lore-discussion-spoilers" to show only pictures and either scroll through the results or try different keywords.

[rigid mural]

YES YES YES
Busy rn but I got a similar take

[wild vortex]

May i talk about the new quest abt ||the leviathan|| here? i was very spooked abt it

[tulip aspen]

in a way they definitely do

their state of mind leaves it open for each realm to fall apart the way they do respectively, the elder is completely helpless to stop any of it

[tulip aspen]

are the abyss spirit barriers.... Canon?

does that mean they had magic that creates those kinda barriers, or is it just a gameplay moment and this is just TGCs way of adding glass without actually having to add glass

[light parrot]

I've been wondering about that since the barrier make the krill unable to detect us despite being so close to their sight while being behind the barrier

[rustic heron]

The krill repellant is a temporary personal barrier (it’s not, but it’s be cool if it was).

[tulip aspen]

it's not just against krills, but it keeps mantas trapped and Skykids out as well

in the murals it shows the mantas trapped by the tubes, so it has to either represent glass or be it's own thing

[rustic heron]

Can’t be glass since it disappears when we remove it’s power source, at least during the second quest.

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve talked about corrupted skykids in my ficverse before here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
and here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

Could be a gameplay thing and true in-universe depending on where they’re implemented. Spirit gates in the rest of the realms preventing you from going to some areas? Gameplay mechanic. Spirit gates in abyss cos they might be more effective against beasts definitely strong enough to break glass? True in universe

[lucid wind]

yeah me too! I was so in shock — why do they DO that?! And now - I am disappointed and kinda pity that the ||Levi|| is gone

[tulip aspen]

very true!

it's even powered! much further proof it's not just a game mechanic!

[tulip aspen]

yeah, so def only for abyss lol

[keen shore]

The abyss barriers have been bothering me since I saw them for the first time. My first guess is that darkstone is known to help levitate stuff in a weird way similar to magnetism, so maybe this is what happens when you make small scattered darkstone crystals repel things??

[rapid arrow]

Magnets?

[main nest]

Could someone help me put together my confused brain about spirits and seasons, please? I still don't get if the cut scenes we see during seasons (or memories in general) are what actually happens, speaking, what the spirits experience after they died or if we just see some sort of memory that somehow involves us as skykids?
I'm really confused about that part of the game

[frigid tinsel]

For most of the seasons, we’re interacting with the spirits in the present. There’s no time travel or memory wackiness evident

[main nest]

Okay, thank you. So we assume spirits still roam the sky world after they passed?

[frigid tinsel]

Though the “spirit memories” we relive may be just what they are — memories or reflections of things the ancestors did when they were alive. But they died at some point, becoming spirits, and due to the darkness around were petrified

[main nest]

I see :o Thank you

[tulip aspen]

there's speculation that some of the recent seasons are the latter thing you mentioned; memories we kinda insert ourselves into; dreams is the best example

theories are divided between us all, but i personally believe abyss is another example, because i dont think they'd be harvesting diamonds as spirits- unless there's some bigger reason other than keeping them for themselves that we'll find out soon enough

[main nest]

Ah! Thank you for clarifying. Okay, I think this fits better with how I perceived those memories. ^^ But good to know there are multiple hypotheses about it

[keen shore]

There are many topics that we’re just as confused on as the rest of the Sky population. How seasonal quests work is DEFINITELY one of them

[boreal nebula]

I think the pipes system reached all the more advanced realms, in fact from GW field (before the broken temple) we can see a long pipe in that direction on the left side of the map

But I assume, because of the striking similiarities, that even Forest might bave been reached if not being the main source of clean water (although even Valley could be one of the sources since it had, before the Abyss update, the most crystal clear water below Ice Rink that we could even "breath" under it)

[boreal nebula]

It's something tied to Sony still owning the rights for Journey (not even a Journey Skins is allowed to be in game, even if it was mentioned in a NastyMold video) but some one once speculated that the 2nd planted we see during the Eden/End Credits could be Journey's planet, so both 🟠 and 🔵 could be the two installments from TGC if we assume their colors as a hint

[hushed steeple]

Funny cause Abzu also worked in an easter egg trying to connect the worlds.

I imagine TGC and Giant squid as quarreling parents.

[wheat vale]

Is
Is anybody doing the trial of fire..!

[boreal nebula]

That whirpool that drag us to the shores of GW?

In a theory I havent mentioned in a while I thought it could have been generated with the power of the Cyan Light/Air Element, given to the Twins

A little clue of that could be their old cutscene from Sky Light Awaits, name of the Old Beta development, where the two of the, dont fight one another, but use both the flame to dance and fly in a cohordinated spiral (slightly represented by the golden statues at races halls in live now).

They could have created that cyclone as a defensive mechanism to keep darkness at bay in GW, part of another my theory (idk if someome shares my assumptions) of realms separated by barriers as sealed compartements (starting from the Eden Door Seal) and avoid an ill fate to further realms

[boreal nebula]

I think some of the creative minds from Journey embarked on creating Abzu, so I see why Abzu shares kindred spirit/ themes,it could be counted or a cousin

[jolly anchor]

What is the levi?

[lucid wind]

Did u finished the 4th seasonal quest?

[boreal nebula]

Short for Leviathan, . i .g.

Isn't the correct English grammar "Have you finished it (yet )?" ?

• Asked from a not native user😅

[jolly anchor]

Yes
I jus never heard of it,,

[half shadow]

I’m not sure if it was suggested by somebody other than me before I did perhaps in another channel or if it was independently decided because a lot of people thought the same thing as me but I can’t help but honestly feel a little excited whenever I see people call it the Leviathan/Levi like I suggested in here ehehe. Idk, “King Krill” just doesn’t hit as much

[half shadow]

It’s not an official name! It’s just the nickname sort of like how the monsters aren’t called krill in the game. Do you know what the word leviathan means?

[jolly anchor]

Nope🧍‍♂️

[lofty void]

giant freaking fish whose only purpose is to kill

i-i think

[half shadow]

From the dictionary:

• (in biblical use) a sea monster, identified in different passages with the whale and the crocodile (e.g. Job 41, Ps. 74:14), and with the Devil (after Isa. 27:1).
• a very large aquatic creature, especially a whale.
  "the great leviathans of the deep”
• a thing that is very large or powerful, especially a ship.
  "it's a challenge to navigate a wheeled leviathan in rush-hour traffic"

Also chosen because of the association the word has within the game Subnautica and Leviathan class organisms being gigantic, mainly hostile sea alien creatures, particularly a few that potentially inspired how the Sky levi looks

[half shadow]

so basically yeah you’re right lol

[jolly anchor]

Ohhh I see I see
Ty for telling me :DDD

[formal skiff]

@tulip aspen I couldn’t get screenshots of chibi with chairs in the room because there weren’t any people around to open the door with me, but I did get chibi with vault elder

[lofty void]

HAHAHA yeah that's why i call it that

[boreal nebula]

Some sketcher I did to record some idea s
Note : I think it's made clear that the purple light symbol has a circular dot inside (Ich ecked the Enchantment Poster) and thus is one of the few round symbol in Sky

[boreal nebula]

Btw while welding candles I noticed that statue has eyes
#screenshots-and-videos message

Which might mean this was a living ancestor instead of a statue

[hushed steeple]

The leviathan of the bible also has scales, very close to eachother, and OH YEAH THE BLOOMIN THING BREATHS FIRE

[tulip aspen]

I mean yeah I've heard a rumor that it's based off someone

[half shadow]

I like the diamond shaped eyes some spirits have

[nimble ingot]

There are dragons in the bible, fun fact

[west niche]

Yellow = prophecy
Or yellow = light?

[nimble ingot]

10/10 for the profile pic, name and emoji role 👌

Yellow could mean the light, or ascension.

[ornate owl]

did not know this was a chat hello

[formal skiff]

Yes hello and welcome
Here we talk about lore and sometimes birds

[ornate owl]

nice

we were having a long discussion about lore of sky kids and where they originated in gen chat

[formal skiff]

Ooh nice

@tulip aspen tada!

[west niche]

I'm kinda confused
How skykids can be reborn but others can't?

[tulip aspen]

nice! that's them sitting tho, a reason why our measurements plan kinda stagnated was cos we'd need one of vault elder standing up

that being said it could still technically work, did you take any pics of standing on the chair?

[nimble ingot]

They are made to do so to help spirits ascend.
It is not possible to save every spirit and ascend with them all at once.
With every new season introducing new spirits to save, the skykids will have to ascend and be reborn multiple times as the season come and go.

[west niche]

??? Can this work

[nimble ingot]

Take note the elder is slightly off the ground this chibi is standing on. Hope this helps.

[half shadow]

the skykid looks like they want uppies

[nimble ingot]

shush, going chibi is the only way I know how to get in there while solo (I had a Veal with me that time).

[half shadow]

Chibi is now the only proper unit of measurement. I demand to see the size of the leviathan measures in chibis

[nimble ingot]

👀 oof, now regretting on not doing that when the leviathan was in its cage.

[half shadow]

tgc please lemme see the big fella

[tulip aspen]

whoaaaa

[tulip aspen]

yea! great idea!

hmm
idk if the shot with the chair is the best perspective

[keen shore]

Counterpoint. Vault elder sits on the table

Or even stands in order to make eye contact with everyone else

[keen shore]

It’s neat how much the diamonds the elders are wearing resemble our winged light markings. Wonder what this is supposed to mean…

[hushed steeple]

A very interesting thought.

Perhaps they sealed the Krills that were everywhere in that area, wherever they could find them, and created a Cyclone they could not get out of.

That's why there's an abundance of Krills in Wasteland, maybe?

[boreal nebula]

Not Yellow per se. I just used that color as label. I guess it could be used as a symbol of/an affinity with "Light"

[half shadow]

light’s color tends to be like a gold orange

Light capital L i should say

[boreal nebula]

Perhaps krills toO ,but since there is no dark plant in Valley or any dark/gloom clouds effect on its pure land I pressure the knills were a side affectof the spreading from Eden

[boreal nebula]

I was thinking more about the bright yellow we for example collect light in Prairie field

[frigid tinsel]

the art on Anxious Angler's character card is so good, wow I'm just who drew that i love them

[tulip aspen]

who ghost ping

[keen shore]

Well, description for anxious angler card basically confirms ancestors have to eat (although we kind of knew that already)

[formal skiff]

I can get some on the chair if there are people there.

[tulip aspen]

got it!

who the heck is zahlya

[half shadow]

OHHH NEW NEWS—

oh my goodness they’re the cutest I would be their best friend

Also yeah, confirmation Ancestors eat!

[tulip aspen]

yeah, i could see vault elder fitting on the chair, it really could work

especially since the other two shorties are slightly taller than them

[keen shore]

I will probably use this Tiny tidbit of information to somehow formulate essays later

[rigid mural]

they weren't lying, that angler looks anxious

[tulip aspen]

who the heck is zahlya

[tulip aspen]

yep, they def could sit comfortably enough!

[formal skiff]

Nice!!!!!

[tulip aspen]

also, it's extremely important to lore that i point out the chairs have butt indents

[formal skiff]

very important lore

[half shadow]

I want to feed them soup so badly

[formal skiff]

y e s

[frigid tinsel]

Angler must've been upset realizing that with the crew technically dead, nobody needs to eat anymore

[formal skiff]

what a big oof

[harsh pecan]

Thank you

[covert oar]

The forgot ark and abyss boat and crew are conected?

[half shadow]

I don’t think we have any confirmation of that

[tulip aspen]

day 999 of wondering why people dont think this became a krill

[formal skiff]

Oh- the light-
Yeeeaaahh I can see the resemblance………

[tulip aspen]

wh

[harsh pecan]

Maybe they dont know that krills are corrupted light creatures (if you look at that pic its obvious tho-)

[hushed steeple]

Now that I think about it, it looks a little more like the giant light creature in sanc. Most people call it the elder manta. And I bears no resemblance to a krill other than its light, of which looks as though is being used along side a seemingly ancestor made device on its head. But light krill is still a plausible possibility again because of the light, but also because of the size and torso/body shape.

[tulip aspen]

what looks a little more like the elder creature?

[hushed steeple]

It also bears a striking and unnerving resemblance to a skeleton in the starlight desert.

[tulip aspen]

it does?
im pretty sure skeletons are kinda just
skeletons

the only identifying factor will be the skull
which arent usually available

[tulip aspen]

the only forward evidence i currently have towards the elder sanct creature is that they have many 'legs', as Salem original put forward

if you have any more evidence or ideas for it as a candidate, id love to hear that to write about it

[frigid tinsel]

To me, I see the similarities but it just doesn’t process to me as pre-krill light creature

[hushed steeple]

One second I'm attempting to unearth the fossil from my sedimentary photos, it'll take a minute and a lot of brushing.

[tulip aspen]

"other than it's light...but also..the size and..shape"

yep, that's it's overwhelming evidence against all other candidates

what are only possible evidence for the whale and elder, the cinematic creature has as strong evidence, along with direct implications being the literal spotlight alluding directly to a krill

[hushed steeple]

The fossil has been revealed and shall now enter the museum of Interesting and Extraordinary Unidentifiable Sky:COTL Creatures.

I think levi is canth cause the short pointy horns and body shape. As for the nose, I think darkness changes the structure of their face a bit.

[tulip aspen]

oooo
is that in the separated dunes area??

i should check that out too

[hushed steeple]

For those saying its a turtle, keep in mind that

TURTLES HAVE SHELLS

[compact shale]

Hello lorechat! what's the topic?

[hushed steeple]

Here are some turtle skeleton images I found online.

And this one.
Its far too round.

[compact shale]

Oh! Turbles!

[tulip aspen]

i was talking about how people look at this spotlight and go "whale is the krill" but now there's dead turtles so idk lol

[compact shale]

Ohhhhh that

ghahnngnshd

Speaking of krill, did you have a good damn time with them?

[tulip aspen]

bruuuu i went INTO the chamber the krills and ruby came out of, and i explored every nook and cranny of it

it literally is just a big round chamber, presumably directly under the tower

i didnt find a big door on the top going into the tower like the murals says, maybe im blind, maybe it doesnt exist in game, who knows

[compact shale]

hmm

[half shadow]

you wanna see something really freaky? look up manta and stingray skeletons

[compact shale]

Oh
...

*grinds up the bones and feeds them to you

[harsh pecan]

…I have no words

[half shadow]

and because their skeletons are made of cartilage instead of bone you know what that means! it’s all bendy

[lofty void]

…Mem…?

[compact shale]

mem died remember

[harsh pecan]

Are those…her remains?

[lofty void]

no, she’s just sleeping

SHE’S CANON IN MY HEARTTTTTT

[lofty void]

…oh god. Uhhhhhahahah… i am stopping myself from making a parody right now

[sharp lichen]

FINALLY

[harsh pecan]

W h a t

[compact shale]

theyve been dead since Abyss started

[harsh pecan]

Baudshaw do you hate Mem

[lofty void]

[half shadow]

what’s mem?

[sharp lichen]

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead (please this is a joke)

[half shadow]

oh alrighty

[lofty void]

WHHSSHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH WAIT WAHAt THE FILTER SHBDHSBSVHS

[harsh pecan]

Fan elder made by Anzu and some others. She died because of Abyss

[lofty void]

Filter said no Encanto parodies. 😔

[half shadow]

prolly cus of spam 😔 whenever memes are muted in big discords it’s almost always cus of people spamming

[hushed steeple]

Guys, did you notice how in encanto, alma actually has the anxious angler cape. I can't believe she was able to gather so many candles, I bet casita is mad.

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[hushed steeple]

Im going to go all around sky and search for some fossils because I can't find anymore species that vary as much as the manta and ancestor family trees

ptsd

Fossils, yeah. I'll do that in a bit after dinner.

[formal skiff]

Completely off topic but does this paler memory cube have any significance?

[formal skiff]

Elder of where??

[compact shale]

i don't understangd

[harsh pecan]

Azure Depths (If I remember correctly)

[lofty void]

yes!

[keen shore]

This is also my best CANON guess as to where the krills came from (even if the manta conglomerate theory is the one I’d use for fics and headcanons). I still want to know where the horns came from, though. This light creature is kind of small, wonder if it just hasn’t matured yet and that’s why there’s no horns?

[boreal nebula]

I think you got the correct perspective but there could be 2 reasons why heights dont add up

1. Devs forgot that details and messed up the Elder Table proportion
2. Devs subtlely hint that Lamed Vault Elder again remember things slightly smaller than they really are
   2.1 Elders we met aren't as strong as they once were so they shrank abit
   (In case 2 I think the table and chairs coule be the correct size instead of the solid table shrinking because it's a very solid memory)

[tulip aspen]

it's actually TGC being like those crappy styles of animated props being in the background in 2d animation with painted backgrounds

basically, that's the lanterns that fly over to power the elevator after you activate the lamps on the ground

they never actually blended in with the rest of the library lol they come straight from where you see them in the shelf

.
we could make up some fun answer to it, maybe those are special lanterns, the only ones that can power the elevator; batteries

[formal skiff]

Lol ok

Yes we are lorechat and it is our sacred duty to overcomplicate the lore /hj

[compact shale]

It is our sacred duty to realize our suffering

[sharp lichen]

This but extremely unironic

[formal skiff]

Yes that too

Notice that I only put half joking as the tone indicator

[compact shale]

I keep on overcomplicating Ash's statement (the question was if Starlight Desert is real)

That brings up a question: So Team Flight sent birds to carve out that path. Why? What were the ancestors using it for?

This question's been answered (that place was part of the Eden pilgrimage) but was it even valid in the first place?

[rapid arrow]

Was the vault most effected by what I like to call the Eden explosion? Besides the wasteland

[sharp lichen]

Uh good question. Discussion of Vault is incredibly confusing and complicated, but I believe that the very top of Vault (right before Eden) was affected by the calamity, but not much else

[rapid arrow]

So here’s what I’m thinking

The vault past the first two levels as we know is very.. weird. But what if because of the calamity, and the vault seeming to be a place linked that memories. Because of the spirits memories fading, the vault got more and more spacey like we know it today.

[late wasp]

it is the same mesh as the one done by Reika though

[frigid tinsel]

How did Abyss kill Mem?

[compact shale]

basically they thought treasure reef would contradict with azure depths

except that the ocean is a massive place so it doesn't make much sense

[tulip aspen]

good eye!

[lofty void]

yeah ngl still kinda confused abt that
MEM IS STILL ALIEV YALL SHES JUST SLEEPING

[rustic heron]

Hi, since we’re talking about turtles: turtles are hypothesised to be the last living group of organisms called anapsids, which are characterised by lacking one or more holes in their skulls.

Anapsids are widely considered the most basal of all amniotes (creatures who have an amnion, or membrane, surrounding the embryo and lack a larval stage).

This is interesting because most of Sky is comprised of anamniotes (basically fish), of which mantas are a form of cartilaginous ray-finned fish, related to sharks.

This, in turn, greatly contrasts the Krill and crabs, which resemble invertebrates, the most basal of all animal groups, characterised by their lack of a spine. Jellyfish also fall squarely into this category.

I can’t help but wonder if Sky’s major faunal references aren’t from ancient Cambrian and pre-Cambrian creatures.

And moreover, don Ancestors and Sky kids trace evolutionary ancestry to jelly fish or other crustaceans, or are we most like vertebrate fish?

[sharp lichen]

Highschool Biology memories are returning to me

[keen shore]

This is like one of my headcanons for the area!! It’s basically yours but it’s the vault elder projecting everything and forgetting what everything used to look like instead of spirits

[hushed steeple]

Do I have to use spoiler tags here?

[tulip aspen]

my doc covers some really crucial info on the horns
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

as it says, i believe that they removed the horns entirely due to the fact that it having horns would deviate too far from it looking light-creature-esque

and then consequently to reconnect all 3 candidates back in despite that idea that the cinematic creature eventually was removed of it's horns in the design process, i stated that perhaps the darkness creates the horns

[rustic heron]

If we have shells, maybe we’re more like Krills than light fish. That means Ancestors and Sky kids are more closely related to other creatures of darkness (invertebrates) than creatures of light.

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so..

[rustic heron]

And would explain their desire for light/the usage of diamond technology.

[tulip aspen]

but.... i said that i think it works lol

sure, they might have to clamber up onto the chair, which would look adorably awkward, but them sitting their in general would look fine

[safe sphinx]

what is the eden explosion someone explain i'm a moth

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[rapid arrow]

Also the dark dragons can swim. That’s also important.

So maybe their just very large fish?

[keen shore]

Maybe the chairs are that tall so that vault elder would look taller

[tulip aspen]

i dont know if it's implied krills have shells tbh, but perhaps, especially if they do indeed have shells

[lofty void]

waiting for lapis to reply to this

[safe sphinx]

What is the Eden explosion?

[rustic heron]

You’re the reason moths stop playing Sky, you insufferable tech-neophyte.

You should have died in the Eden disaster, not the King.

[rustic heron]

Sky kids and Ancestors are just smart Krills confirmed.

[rapid arrow]

So someone did something at Eden one day that causes a big boom in its wake that causes death and destruction

[frigid tinsel]

too braindead for in-depth response but i appreciate the smart words

[tulip aspen]

the giant power diamond in Eden has a massive fracture in it, so we believe when the storm started it created a massive explosion that killed most ancestors in the kingdom

[safe sphinx]

What is the general background of Sky lore? I'm guessing that Eden exploded and caused mass extinction of the population

what were those ppl? children of light like us or were they humans? did they run on light to live?

[keen shore]

So, looking around you in the world of sky, you may have noticed that everyone is very obviously Dead. The Eden explosion/Eden disaster/Storm [it is referred to by all 3 names] is the name of the disaster that killed everyone. The current idea is that it’s related to the massive red crystal positioned over the beam of light in Eden and that, somehow, placing the crystal there and overcharging it caused the explosion. This is because the crystal resembles darkstone/power diamonds, the blue stones we have to light in order to make various mechanisms work, and because the of the massive storm of darkness and corruption radiating out from Eden

[safe sphinx]

ohh is the power diamond the thingy that you walk towards in eden? like when you first walk past the point of no return and it plays that cutscene where it zooms in on the horizon, is that the power diamond?

[tulip aspen]

would you like a scary headache of a summary? 👀

[harsh pecan]

In a coma?

[safe sphinx]

thank you guys i am a moth ;-; sort of
i am a moth when it comes to lore
and yes pls ty

[tulip aspen]

summary
"A mass of Light sits in space, a collective conscious

Ancestors (spirits) came from the Light, either sent or fell by accident, as pure Light energy, then gaining shells upon landing.

These ancestors began building a kingdom, but due to the religious subtexts of worship and meditation, it's theorized that they were supposed to reconnect mentally to that Light in space, in order to ascend back up to it. (that theory may be incorrect and they might've had no real way to return)

Powerful deities; Elders, were sent by the Light to help them ascend, tasked to help the ancestors grow both spiritually and keep their kingdom thriving, but even then the ancestors still couldnt ascend..

The prophets had a vision and saw a being defeating a group of trials, and being given great power to lead them all to salvation.
Ancestors tried the trials but failed, until a special child ancestor that fell from the sky a long time later, defeated them and was crowned prince/king.
The prince MAY have singlehandedly discovered/developed darkstone and crystal technology, but that might've been before the prince.

There seemed to be resentment in the kingdom with one side preferring spiritual traditions, and the other preferring technology.
Civil war breaks out.

The giant diamond in eden was created/harvested for an unknown purpose, but recently i've been led to believe it was intended to send all ancestors straight back up into space without a complicated ascension process.
(Made before or during the war???)

The crystals created some sort of corruption pollution, and the giant diamond ruptured.
We dont know much about the apocalypse that followed, and there's even theories that there were multiple apocalypses all at once.
After the dust settled, likely decades later, all of the ancestors were dead.

A loooong time after that, the mass of Light sent angels to retrieve the souls of the ancestors, and that's us! Our job isnt done until every spirit hidden in new areas is found."

[lofty void]

In uh. Elder sleep
I think she’ll come back in…uh, 2 months… or when my sky artblock ends

[safe sphinx]

WOAH thank you :D

[sharp lichen]

A calamity that caused the entirety of Eden to fall to darkness. It also could have had large effects on Wasteland and Vault.

[safe sphinx]

yeah wasteland seems uhh really barren and what's up with the pipes?

[tulip aspen]

i dont expect you to understand it im afraid

[sharp lichen]

Prince/king didn’t develop darkstone, as we see it being used a lot in the Earth Trial. And it never really was confirmed who the Chosen One is?

[rustic heron]

I am heavily biased, so take this with a grain of salt:

King makes a giant Flight blessing for all Ancestors.

King and crew place this on the Eden beam to power it. This fails, and the blessing only affects the King, but also results in his Death.

The blessing never breaks, and keeps sucking the Light, preventing Spirits from moving on. Ancestors either die from the Eden disaster, or from natural causes. All are unable to ascend.

Sky kids come along. We are part blessing, part King. We can give the blessing of light, freeing spirits and allowing us to fly.

We free spirits and other Sky kids, but sacrifice ourselves at Eden to do so.

Repeat until we free the spirits and Elders to unite the Light and restore balance to the universe.

[tulip aspen]

when was it used in the trials? also the trials aren't real anyways

[sharp lichen]

You probably couldn’t navigate your way out of a discord server, you bumbling idiot. I wanted you to die instead of the Slouching Soldier.

[tulip aspen]

yee that's lapis' take lol

[rustic heron]

Trials are semi-real. Vault is also semi-real. Again, heavily biased, so bring your salt shaker.

[keen shore]

Darkstone was a perfectly okay and normal blue rock, until everyone realized you can harm light creatures to charge it to full power and achieve great technological advances

[rustic heron]

I’m writing the doc to cover my bases and capture the entire idea.

[sharp lichen]

Trials are ambiguous, they could be real or not. Darkstone is used many times in the Trial of Earth, including the entrance.

[tulip aspen]

yee, the game is ambiguous

also oh riiight the doors lol yea thx!

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[safe sphinx]

thank you for the lore everyone ;-;
ngl this sounds like a book i'd read in a snap
somebody make a sky book :0

[compact shale]

there is one in Amazon JP

edit: it's probably a fanfiction

[safe sphinx]

HGVUTFUVGJ looks like it is mine now!
also what is jp

ohhhhhhh it's japan my bad 💀

[sharp lichen]

I’m also biased: but here’s my take on the lore:

The Sky world was created by Megabird, a mystical deity of light. The first four ancestor spirits to arrive in this world were the Prophets, who settled in the Prophecy Cave and predicted the future of Sky, including a mysterious person who would complete all 4 Trials.

Other Ancestor Spirits arrive, and a kingdom is formed, led by 6 powerful Elders.

However, a young Eden Elder, being mentored by the other Elders, gets inspired by darkness. Called the King, they get inspired by the darkstone found in the Trials and begin making his own darkstone. Soon, hundreds of light creatures are being killed, as it is required to make darkstone.

He uses the darkstone to create his magnum opus: the gigantic Eden Diamond, made by him to harness all the light in Eden and gain infinite power. However, something goes disastrously wrong, and the Eden Diamond destroys all the spirits and prevents them from ascending. The Elders, working with Megabird, create a counter: Skykids, extremely powerful beings of light that can help Spirits ascend.

The main story follows us helping the remaining spirits, making them ascend, and rebuilding the crumbled Sky kingdom.

[compact shale]

want me to send the link lmao

[safe sphinx]

yes pls

[compact shale]

nvm can't find it

[safe sphinx]

awe it's ok i'll try to find it

[sharp lichen]

We need to make our own

[frigid tinsel]

peeks in lorechat

[late wasp]

wanted to point out, after acquiring the Chibi mask
that the figure we hug at the end has the same height as us.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that figure is always the same height as us

[tulip aspen]

sophos calling out all the best points

[safe sphinx]

who is that figure?

[harsh pecan]

The glowing kid we see after we die

[tulip aspen]

we dont know for sure

many people have many ideas of course, as always

[safe sphinx]

yea but what's it supposed to be?

[compact shale]

some say it's ourselves, and there's also a theory we can't discuss in public lorechat because of the nature of its evidence

[tulip aspen]

theres other evidence towards it fruit

[safe sphinx]

oh i always thought it was like our spirit coming back to give us our light again

dm me the theory?

[late wasp]

personally sad, cause I wanted them to be the king
which could still be, but it would more of a lapis thing of "we are the king"

but now i just view it as ourselves, not the king or anything else, it's just confusing as to what we are doing really.

[uncut pond]

I theorize it could be the soul of the king/prince trapped inside the diamond

[harsh pecan]

What is it?

[frigid tinsel]

the white featureless skykid we hug after dying in Eden. there's a lot of theories about them. some say it's ourselves*, some say it is the king, some say it's the prince. I think it's winged light given to our petrified bodies by another conforming to us. hugging it means we accepting life

[compact shale]

I think your DMs are off

[safe sphinx]

how do i turn them on?

[narrow crescent]

Are prince and king the same person?
I always thought they were different, that prince was the one silently helping us from above or somewhere else and that king was some tyrant who realized the power of dark stone and wanted all of its power and became corrupt?

[late wasp]

Either Friend Request Fruitzie or change Settings to allow non-friends to DM you

[harsh pecan]

Settings

@narrow crescent they probably are imo

[frigid tinsel]

you have to allow DMs from people who share this server with you. it's under server privacy settings

[safe sphinx]

alrighty i turned it on
frutzie my dms should now be open for you

[narrow crescent]

By the way I’d like to be dmed it as well

[compact shale]

what tho

idk what it is

[frigid tinsel]

the king and the prince may be the same person. they may be separate people. it's unclear.

[safe sphinx]

my dms should be open for this explanation

[frigid tinsel]

if you wanna add more layers to it, the prince/king may have also been Chosen One, the person who completed the Trials in the Caves of Prophecy, who was a skykid or a proto-skykid.
there's also the theories that current gen skykids are just the king's shattered remains so we are the king lmao

[compact shale]

it did not work

[safe sphinx]

dang aight then try sending a friend req?

[uncut pond]

I really do like this theory, it fits pretty well with the idea of the king having "an active role in the story of Sky"

[compact shale]

yep

king got shattered so that they can clean up their own mess

they are shattered because no way could 1 person possibly fix everything and also breaking something increases its surface area so they experience more pain from punishment (that's speculation tho)

[sharp lichen]

It would be incredibly funny if we combined all the theories in lorechat into some giga lore bible

[compact shale]

i mean theory vault is a thign

[frigid tinsel]

it hasn't been updated in a year or something?

[compact shale]

o h n o

[safe sphinx]

frutzie i accepted your friend req to hear the forbidden theory

[uncut pond]

A forbidden theory? I wanna hear that too

[cyan berry]

same

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[compact shale]

i sold it

[sharp lichen]

It’s been turned into an NFT

[harsh pecan]

For how much?

[safe sphinx]

wait if everyone in sky is dead, then why do we hear cheering in valley?? 😟
ghost cheers??

[compact shale]

just kidding

@safe sphinx Sound is also part of a memory so maybe that's from the spirit's memory

[safe sphinx]

ohh ok so just all the valley spirits memories compiled into sound?

[sharp lichen]

The spirits aren’t technically dead, as they can still interact with the world. However, there is absolutely no spirits when we hear the cheering, meaning that ghosts or some natural phenomena is creating it

[frigid tinsel]

or the Valley Elders project sound from their liminal zones to cheer on skids racing down. they're probably betting on who's gonna win

[harsh pecan]

What if you sold it and people actually paid a lot of candles or hearts for it

[compact shale]

they're not "aren't technically dead" they just don't have the same rules of incorporeality as stereotypical ghosts

[frigid tinsel]

ig one way you can put it is that the ancestors are dead, their spirits are not

[compact shale]

do spirits die?

[frigid tinsel]

they can be suspended (petrification)

[compact shale]

do stereotypical ghosts float because they'd fall through the ground if they couldn't?

[frigid tinsel]

what's a "stereotypical ghost"?

[cyan berry]

that makes sense

[compact shale]

👻

basically the ones depicted in more popular media/halloween

vengeful spirits of the dead who haunt locations

Sky's ghosts are different

[keen shore]

Unfortunate news: Vault has no boats :(
Fortunate news: just realized something that made me feel like the galaxy brain image

[frigid tinsel]

Salem:

[lofty void]

Hi guys im back

[compact shale]

hello uznanzu

[lofty void]

what

[frigid tinsel]

i almost got krilled sending that image so yall better be grateful

[compact shale]

wth you doing

[frigid tinsel]

playing Sky.
the krill in Wasteland have been very glitchy since quest 4

[compact shale]

HOW

[frigid tinsel]

Discord on laptop, Sky on phone

[compact shale]

i get it but how are the krill so gitchy

[safe sphinx]

how i feel after reading the sky lore theories

[keen shore]

Okay so. Remember my take on krills being manta conglomerates? And remember the opposing theory on krills being corrupted versions of large light creatures? What if they’re BOTH right, and large light creatures such as the elder creatures, coelacanths, and so on, are manta conglomerates themselves?

I mean, think about it…

• there’s a massive jump in size between the largest manta and both the elder creature AND the coelacanth, where did that extra size come from?
• there’s also a massive jump in number of limbs, and the limbs the elder creature specifically has greatly resemble that of a manta, but don’t increase proportionally in size to the body. They’re still the same size as they are on 6 wing mantas, there’s just more of them.
• Massive light creatures are extremely rare, only 2 of them are still living and known to exist in game, assuming that all the coelecanth appearances are from the same one
  AND, MOST INTERESTINGLY
• Current theory on Megabird and the Light in general is that it exists as a conglomerate of all the light in the universe, including the light currently being used in light creatures. Essentially, it is in the nature of light to come together and form similar conglomerates. This is also shown in how the game heavily rewards us for building friendships between each other

[frigid tinsel]

yknow how they tangle themselves sometimes, snapping their own spines? they've been doing that a lot more since Monday. especially to catch skids. like I've been spotted by two who were definitely not looking at me cos they 360 no scoped their bodies to suddenly be able to look at me.
also sometimes their light will move but not them. more recent development.

[compact shale]

auegh

a krill attacked Jam and I through a pillar

THROUGH A PILLAR

[keen shore]

The bodies of each manta merge together into something functional, because their entire body gets recreated after being reborn from Eden. Hence only one ribcage and one head, but many wings. However, each of their conciousness(es), and the light that formed them, coexist

[compact shale]

i wonder what living with multiple consciousnesses feels like

it's weird in the real world but perfectly normal in Sky world

[frigid tinsel]

coughs in Valley Elder(s) angst fic

[keen shore]

I showed you how their statues looked with the diamond representing their core split between them, right??

[frigid tinsel]

this is a fascinating take. so it'd like darkness corruption triggers light creatures' innate inert instinct to mesh together to form this distorted mockery of Megabird's hivemind

[keen shore]

I was thinking that it already happened to the corruption victims (as in they were already massive light creatures) and the corruption forced them slightly apart, enough that they were still stuck together but instead of having many consciousnesses all working towards the same goal and functional anatomy, every adaptation they had to function as Many Things in One Body just disappeared

Your idea also works too, although I didn’t think of it the first time. Maybe one process produces corrupted creatures that look more like krill, and the other produces corrupted creatures that look more like the leviathan??

[frigid tinsel]

ah so like a Portuguese Man O' War

[compact shale]

HOW MANY ORGANISMS IS IN ONE OF THOSE

[lofty void]

WHA

[compact shale]

yeah a manowar isn't one organism apparently

[frigid tinsel]

ah i got krilled. damn glitchy krill. imma do Eden, anything need lore researched there? like things I can take pics and videos of

[sharp lichen]

Hi, I created a fun little story, so I’d like for you to check it out! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Y14eYjPhBs_qzUYP8bJy7WfXtMl14_S9Fs512l6KOM/edit

[safe sphinx]

hey guys? i thought i read somewhere that in earlier versions of sky you could beat eden
anyone know what that looked like/what happened there?

[keen shore]

Huh! I didn’t know they were multiple organisms, but it fits :3c thank you for teaching me something new

I wonder if light “”””plants”””” like the light blooms in forest and the seaweed looking things in reef are actually plants or just light creatures that happen to look like one. Maybe they’re even like coral, where each one is a colony of tons of tiny light creatures even smaller than butterflies

[rustic heron]

The old concepts used to have a group of Sky kids elect one, power them up, and have them face the King alone. This was the original sacrificial mechanic, but you can see how that might cause issues.

[safe sphinx]

was it ever actually in the game? or did it just stay a concept?

[rustic heron]

You tell me. Have you and a group of friends ever chosen one among you to face the King alone?

If you have, you’d be lauded as a champion of lore.

[compact shale]

come on why did they have to remove sacrificial lambs

edit: yeah a supercharged sacrificial lamb but still a sacrificial lamb

[safe sphinx]

nope 💀 i was a moth in november 2021

[keen shore]

Sacrificing a friend to the wrath of the King is morally okay, but only if you record the results and post them here so we can check them over for lore crumbs :-)

[rustic heron]

Listen ya’ll. I’ve got boomer brain. What does 📮 mean?

[half shadow]

They’re apart of the class Hydrozoa, which are really tiny organisms that usually come together as a colony, they’re related to coral and jellyfish!

[frigid tinsel]

it's like a mailbox for newspapers