lore-discussion-spoilers

[boreal nebula]

About yesterday topic, I think the only parallels between Eden and Trials are just game mechanics instead of lessons learned in the 4 of them that prepare Sky Kids /prepared the King to Eden

It probably was part of game development, like this scrapped concept murals (where btw our candle should have been used to open a passage indise Corrupted King and redeeming him) which shares similiarities the Prophecy Murals

From Vault cutscene to entering Eden the murals changes from light to red and I tried to recreate that effect as best as I could

https://youtu.be/rKAEDwP1V90?list=PLRTBVhU4gY5y61dHlzooaIbge8ACLLQUn&t=3895

[boreal nebula]

I agree, I think those symbols are not "king propaganda" but rather a concept word similar to Unity or Kindgom, where different entities / rhombus join together, an evolution of what Belonging symbol mean family

If the 4 rhombus 🔹 on Vault second floor door mark 💠 (without that dot inside, of course) entrance to a conference room for the Elders, each square / diamonds might represent a Realm. Who ever came up with this idea months ago was also joking about the tamble in there being giant/Elder size and with 6 chairs (5 standing and 1 on the floor, maybe because Samekh Valley Elder(s) had a Twins fight ).
It could even tie in with my idea of The 4 Realms being what were actually counted as such during the Civiliazation Age, while both Vault and Isle look like "realms"/levels in our eyes, while they were "districts" under the eldest Elders who had the roles of guarding the Knoledge/Library (just inner most building) and the Frontiers Entrance (just the outer most land) of the Whole Kingdom

[rigid mural]

I like to think Daleth is akin to a psychopomp, figuratively ferrying the living to Orbit (through bird guidance) and ferrying the reborn back to the realms (hence why we originally landed in isle).

[half shadow]

Hey! I believe the comment is in the Canon Lore document. Does anybody here have that link?

[rigid mural]

Lore Moth doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit#

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit

Canon Lore
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

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Btw if anyone got news about whatever lost stream claimed the king is not around to be saved anymore... I'd like something as close to firsthand experience as possible. Seraph (mod) said they didn't word it like the doc claims so...

[half shadow]

Hmm, I can’t seem to find the gender quote. I think it might have been said in Discord by a dev so I have no idea how to look for it. But this quote from one of the Japanese livestreams is there in the Canon Lore Doc, if this helps you at all @grand crane , but I know we’ve gotten clearer confirmation somewhere and hopefully someone can help me find it later!

“« Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed »”

I remember I’ve seen multiple devs before say in chat how nothing in Sky has a gender

[rigid mural]

japanese livestream, apparently. it's in the canon lore doc

[half shadow]

Sophos holy beans you just had that locked and loaded

[keen shore]

They are whatever gender they purchased last

[half shadow]

Another from Ktjn

[late wasp]

this one is a better quote, fish. awesome
||I will save it for future use||

[half shadow]

One more from the road from Alex:

“from the road.” it’s for the road. dammit fish

[rigid mural]

tbf alex is just a mod but overall he echoes what the devs said yeah, spirits aren't created with a gender in mind

[half shadow]

Oh true true, my b!

[late wasp]

is Yui here in the Discord?

[half shadow]

Are they a dev?

Yknow what, I think discord needs an option in its search bar that lets us search through anything anybody with a certain role has said, that’d be nice

[late wasp]

He is a lead designer. Specially it was the lead designer of Abyss. I have a feeling Ash's team was responsible for Flight (hence why she was so eager to talk about it) while Yui's team was responsible for Abyss.

[half shadow]

Oh, well, there’s going to be a livestream on Monday with the Abyss team! I might watch because I’m in love with Abyss

[late wasp]

nice

[half shadow]

Cool cool, I don’t believe they’re in the discord otherwise LMAO I JUST NOTICED THE REACTIONS

[late wasp]

this is awesome.
So the Sky Kingdom is indeed an isle, as said by the Handsome TLP spirit.

[rigid mural]

speaking of flight, little cursed headcanon

[late wasp]

Vela is our official great artist

[keen shore]

As an enby it’s always hilarious to see what small and insignificant details people will overanalyze about you thinking it means you’re a certain gender

[rigid mural]

PLEASE so true

[keen shore]

Watched someone’s brain almost shut down trying to gender me because I had short hair and was wearing a skirt at the same time

[rigid mural]

i have really long hair so... yeah

[late wasp]

Please don't hate me, but I will say something really controversial.
Salem's gender is ||lore 💅 ||
|| ||

[keen shore]

my gender is whatever i find funniest to call it at the time

[half shadow]

god that reminds me of how sometimes in the wishlist channel somebody will be like “please can we have more masculine hairstyles/clothes” and like I don’t like being rude but i always want to say to those “you don’t mean masculine, you just mean short”

[rigid mural]

sangoku bow hair is very manly

[half shadow]

“you don’t want more masculine outfits you just want pants. you don’t want more feminine outfits you just want dresses.” and I assume most are said with good intention but it’s just really unnecessary imo in a way to try and gender the cosmetics

[rigid mural]

gonna say, feels less like spirits all go by they/them and more like they can go with whatever pronouns you give them (i still like they/them tho)

[keen shore]

They don’t really care about pronouns they just roll with whatever you call them

[rigid mural]

cannoneer ? more like queernoneer

[late wasp]

This was something I was meaning to ask. Because at times I find myself using gendered pronouns, and I don't want to offend. If it is ok to just name them whatever, it would be easier when those moments does slip up.

[keen shore]

The idea of gendered clothes in general is oddly hilarious to me. If I take off this skirt does my gender change

[rigid mural]

nah they're like stat bonuses with armor

Skirt: feminity +5

[late wasp]

Cannoneer was definitely the one that made me wish to just use whatever pronoun was in my head at the time. I saw some kid's playthrough of SoA. The kid must have been like 10 years old.

And they were adamant on how Cannoneer was male, and a cool dude LOL. And like... I can see that. At the same time I can see Cannoneer as a strong female character. etc.

It made me appreciate how TGC really knows how to create genderless characters.

[rigid mural]

you gotta find the perfect balance between wide-brimmed hats and tiny glasses to 50/50 it out for society to concede you may be outside the gender binary

[half shadow]

I still abide by using they/them and avoiding explicit genderized terms just bc that seems to reflect how the dev team feels just by scrolling thru the past convos that the quotes are usually in relation to, along with the continual usage of they/them by the devs and in things like news announcements. I def believe the vagueness is intentional as a way to let players interpret as they wish though but at the same time I just wish some people didn’t immediately jump to “all long hair spirits are girls all short hair spirits are boys,” which is of course an understandable assumption given modern Western society’s idea of gender characteristics, but I feel like it should be gently discouraged whenever somebody’s really adamant about it.

[keen shore]

As an enby, whenever I am about to wake up, this phrase appears beside my vision as a loading screen tip

[half shadow]

That’s why I appreciate and agree with what Ktjn says: “Spirits and Elders don’t have genders, but people tend to ascribe gender based on appearance.”

[keen shore]

YEAH given how similar the non seasonal spirits’ outfits are, so many people immediately just use their hair length as evidence of gender, which would be a lot funnier if it wasn’t almost everyone who did it

[half shadow]

god yeah lol that’s the only real Hot Sky Gender Take I have. sometimes if I notice someone doing it I have an urge to ask “why are do you think that spirit is a girl? what about the spirit looks girly to you? is that a trait inherent to girls only?” but I’m already insufferable enough LOL

[keen shore]

I wonder if you could train an AI to gender completely non human things based on most people’s perception of gender. Like “horses are all female because they have long hair”

[half shadow]

um actually all horses are girls because where else would the term “horse girl” come from 🙄

[rigid mural]

diversity wins ! this unhinged hooligan is queer !

[keen shore]

I would cry laughing if someone did an “x character is nonbinary” pride flag set but it’s just all the spirits superimposed and crowded onto a single flag

[raw crypt]

give me a few hours

[rigid mural]

SLINK IM CACKLING

[half shadow]

anyways, I hope it doesn’t come off like I’m berating people for their assumptions or tendency to gender spirits based off of appearance or anything, that’s something that I think everybody does to an extent regardless of intentionally trying to avoid. I’m trans and I’m not always perfect about never assuming. I just think it’s important to have discussions like this and especially media like Sky that shows off it’s gender neutrality/fluidity in a really obvious way

[keen shore]

I am so excited to see this. Even funnier if since there’s so many of them each one is forced to be like 10 pixels tall because they won’t fit otherwise

[half shadow]

also oh my GOD PLEASE DO IT?

diversity win! this entire race of ghosts is non-binary!

[rigid mural]

slink really went "say no more"

[half shadow]

slink about to slunk

[rigid mural]

btw idk if you noticed, but cackling cannoneer's undercut triangles + the mask triangle kinda look like a mouth with teeth seen from the side

[amber wyvern]

I just saw a theory that said valley ancestors died due to starvation and now im

[late wasp]

I'm not even sure if they eat

[half shadow]

YEAH I dig it I wanna know if they’re like tattoos or scars it looks like their head got nommed. Fun fact Commodore has little designs on their undercut but it’s in the shape of little megabirds :)

[rigid mural]

looks like mantas to me, same style as forest temple

[half shadow]

oh could be! the silhouette is the same lookin

[late wasp]

Just want to add something to yesterday's talk. In the Season of Abyss Dev Update, they describe the Abyss Crew as looking for treasure.

So it's less of a scavenging to survive situation, and more of a... "this place is wack, lets set sails and find some b00ty in distant lands"

[autumn sphinx]

man if anyone knows any good sky lore videos or anything like that i’d love to know

[amber wyvern]

Season of abyss shows that they do eat (from the hat hair spirit)
They were fishing so why would you fish if you wont eat it? Theres also the table in grandma that looks like it was ready to serve a meal (also grandma quite literally feeding us lmao)

[rigid mural]

we love you grandma

[amber wyvern]

Yea xd
"This island looks abandoned, damaged from a creature and has big dark sea....Treasure time!"

[late wasp]

It is the Crab Barbecue that puts eating into question. When cooked, Crabs release Light Fragments.
And the Ancestors already extracted Light Fragments from creatures.

Further, we also see how they also "replenish" when given light/fire. So it's possible it's not some "physical eating" and more of a "extracting energy"

[amber wyvern]

Thats interesting, i was talking about the nervous looking behind you emote (idk what its called ok) from season of abyss
But thats a good one too! But if does seem they do need a light source to get energy from, so techinally, they do eat, but they eat the light of their food?? xD it sounds funny because imagine just inhaling the light out of your food
"Yum this food looks good" INHALES

[late wasp]

||fishing to recharge batteries|| lmao

[rigid mural]

we do that with the light from candles tbh
sky kids inhaling candlelight

[willow prawn]

I know I'm late for the conversation, but wanna mention: Sky only got two genders for me, hi5 and double hi5

Ask Gratitude spirits in the pier!

[rigid mural]

diagnosed at birth

[late wasp]

Sky genders are the console people use. And even then, they are all genderfluid.
Switch-gender is so funny and this was not intentional, but Switch-gender is the master gender.

iOS and Android genders can only cry.

[rigid mural]

what if my gender is the forest elder

[late wasp]

then your DMs are gonna be packed of people honking flirtatiously

[raw crypt]

sorry to interrupt heres a progress shot i just think its rlly funny that bc the staff messes with image dimensions that captain is small 🤏

[keen shore]

Oh my god it’s beautiful

[raw crypt]

idk how exactly im gonna organize it but ill get to that later for now im just gathering everyone

[late wasp]

This might help you, @raw crypt
each line is a realm

[frigid tinsel]

That’s actually why I and the lot of others think skykids’ physical bodies are hollow. The sound is reminiscent of the ringjng you’d hear from pottery and fine china clicking together or the resounding vibrations from playing wine glasses.

[rustic heron]

Quite literally head empty, no thoughts.

[frigid tinsel]

I can’t believe I missed the gender discussion. I love y’all

[rustic heron]

When lore chat isn’t having an existential crisis, they’re talking about the infinite number of Sky genders.

You know, I just had a thought.

What if sky kids and ancestors can morph their bodies, like molding clay? It’s not very sudden, but both can mold themselves physically to express their gender.

It likely has no precedence because the concepts akin Ancestor bodies to charcoal/stone, but it’s a nice thought.

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids: no gender, head empty. taps forehead

[keen shore]

I had this idea that they can sort of do this but instead of leaning towards certain genders, they try to make themselves look more “human” in order to not scare ancestors VS leaning fully into the hollow vessel of light form
So you have some with soft, thin shells that visually imitate humans’ and put effort into things like blinking and fake breathing, and others who don’t care about that at all

[frigid tinsel]

What if the ancestor part of Megabird, after watching the ancestors destroy each other over the gender economy, decided it was best to avoid that shenwniganery by making skykids genderless

[tawdry whale]

i think blinking could actually serve a purpose in skykids, like to make sure nothing blocks the light coming from their eyes

[rustic heron]

Sky kids in their pure, hollow vessel of light form:

[tawdry whale]

be not moffraid

[rigid mural]

more like

[rustic heron]

I’ll do you one better:

[frigid tinsel]

more like (hollow knight spoilers)
i appear to have been too slow once again

[tawdry whale]

those images flashbanged me

[rustic heron]

I only know hollow knight lore vicariously through YouTube.

[frigid tinsel]

same. i do have the game downloaded on my xbox, just haven't gotten around to playing it yet

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone know why there are so many deceased children souls all over the place

[rigid mural]

where exactly ? eden ? everyone asks the same question as you on that tbh xD

[frigid tinsel]

dunno for sure whether winged light/glowbois are "dead children souls." personally, I don't believe so. the devs, at one point, described them as "imprints of the children of the light." therefore I believe that these are the skykids' power manifesting on the Sky world

[hushed steeple]

Ohh, it’s just very interesting how they appear in the most obscure spots xD

[frigid tinsel]

I once described my idea this way:

i've been favoring the idea that winged light are the imprints of skykids, specifically a mark where many of them have been, hence why they appear in the same places (tho that may be gameplay mechanic, but I like to think in-universe they also appear elsewhere less often) like a well-treaded path in the woods made by many footprints walking the same way

[hushed steeple]

I like this theory! Thank you for sharing it ❤️

[rustic heron]

If you prescribe by the theory that skykids are the king, then it’s not too far of a stretch to say some parts of the King’s light may have spread throughout the world.

Perhaps the king liked to adventure (which somewhat parallels our adventures with TLP, but I digress), and explored all of the world of sky, His most vivid memories left a bit of himself in those places, and when he shattered his light was drawn to those places.

[rigid mural]

copypasting a comment of mine from last year:

The ancestors giving you wl in orbit... the old generation giving the new their hopes and dreams as a legacy```

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, that would explain why there’s like 20 winged lights in the prairie, it’s a very pretty place

[late wasp]

It's explained through gameplay.
We find the spirit of Ancestors in places distant from their corpses.
It's only after we lead said spirits back to their corpses that they can ascend.

Likewise, the dead Sky Kids have their spirits in places distant from their bodies. We collect them throughout the game, calling these spirits "Winged Lights", only to then lead them to their corpses in Eden, so they can ascend.

[rigid mural]

more comments as i am digging bc im emotional ok

Maybe "returning light to the fallen" means rekindling their hope and helping them move on ?```
```I like to think the winged lights symbolize our hopes, dreams, strengths and stubbornness in the face of death. 

So losing winged lights = losing hope, strenght and will
Giving winged lights = giving hope to others, your legacy being how much strength you showed through what you endured, inspiring others to take wing once more```

[rustic heron]

This is kinda brutal because there’s more winged light that there are corpses, suggesting some of the sky kid spirits are body-less. They have no where to go, stuck on the physical plane forever.

[hushed steeple]

I really love that theory as well, it honestly makes completing eden even more emotional

[late wasp]

I think they just didn't bother to update Eden lol
but you can see how in Vanilla Sky the WL to Eden corpses ratio was meant to be close to 1 to 1. (counting for losing some extra ones along the way)

[rigid mural]

one last bit

It could also explains why it awakens the ancestors, reinvigorate the elders & more or less breathe life back to the world.```
```It kinda makes the cutscenes more wholesome too; Isle and prairie elders are surprised and relieved to receive hope, forest elder could have been desperate for it hence the snatching, the twins sending it soaring up high, wastelands elder looking like they haven't seen it in centuries and vault elder storing it in an artificial star so it shines within the safety of the vault...```

[late wasp]

Another gameplay mechanic that corroborate with this is how the Ancestors can also give you "Winged Lights", meaning, it's just some blessing / buff the spirits of the dead can give you, by probably being with you.

[rustic heron]

Winged light is sky kid steroids. This is the true canon.

[late wasp]

People with 120+ WL always winning Valley races. Someone has to test people before races.

[frigid tinsel]

a continuation of my idea extending to spirit memories

been thinking of spirit memories as analogous to winged light – meaning that they're not the same, obviously, but serve a similar function.

if winged light are the imprints of children of light, the impressions skykids left on the world, then could spirit memories be the impressions those ancestors left on the world? in that way, the memories we relive are the spirits' most memorable moments in regards to their location, as the world remembers them? that would explain why some memories are seemingly not as memorable, such as walking, but the world finds it memorable in regards to that ancestor.

I also find it interesting that the spirit memories lead to the petrified spirit, especially when they start very far from their final location. this lends some credence that these are the impressions of the ancestors the Sky world has left of them. in a way, the Sky world is leading the skykids to the spirits by invoking the ancestors' memories. we are following the footprints of the ancestors to find and rescue them.
this is a sort of developing idea Jam and I had wherein the Sky world is it's own living organism. like we make impressions upon other people, the beings living in the Sky world make up impressions upon it.

[rustic heron]

Where is Jam, by the way? They dropped off a while ago.

[frigid tinsel]

he left this server, idk why, possibly to focus on work. we still have a mutual server but i haven't reached out to him

if you know me, you know i have a really difficult time keeping in touch

[keen shore]

I have been trying as well (don’t want to specify too much just that the situation is uh.. weird? not sure how to describe it ) and from what I can tell he’s deleted discord although I don’t know if it’s temporary or not sadly :^(

Edit: absolutely done with discord turning sad faces into goofy sarcastic looking emojis (I didn’t even notice for 20 minutes)

[rigid mural]

last i heard of him, he talked about finals. I think you should wait a month or two and he will be back.

[marsh anchor]

hi ehe if you put \ before it so eg \:) it wont change

[gloomy otter]

One thing to think about (for you, fellow loreseekers): Do you know the game “Journey”? It is a game made by TGC, and, as I think, Sky CotL is a replica to that game. Why? Look at any playthrough: Every single mechanic is here, in Sky: meet strangers, discover hidden and beautiful things, even entities like krills and mantas are there (in another shapes). I have a little gut feeling that the “Journey” story is somewhat correlated with Sky lore. Maybe they were ancestor spirits/travellers? Don’t know. Up to you to guess, I’ll go to sleep now and see the answers tomorrow

[rustic heron]

Lore has numbed my mind, and I can no longer tell if this is sarcasm or not.

[marsh rivet]

I'm. I'm making a creature themed concept season just for the sake of introducing skykids who don't know about it to LORE

[frigid tinsel]

Devs had said the Sky is a spiritual successor to Journey. They couldn’t make a direct sequel since Sony owns the copyright for Journey

[raw crypt]

IT IS DONE.

[keen shore]

SHOW

ITS SO BEAUTIFUL TJERES SO MANY

[raw crypt]

WAIT NO THERES ONE MISSING

[keen shore]

I love it thank you for putting in the effort

[full aspen]

Beautiful work ☺️

[rigid mural]

OH MY GOD

[raw crypt]

somehow rhythm guide escaped, had to remedy that AGHSDGHDJH

[rigid mural]

you absolute KING, new sky pride flag dropped fellas

[raw crypt]

wait now something else messed up *explodes
i take my work seriously it needs to be perfect

Ok everything should be fine, lays down for 10 hours, sorry for the reposts OAYDHDHDH

[rigid mural]

your fave is nonbinary: the entire cast of sky

[frigid tinsel]

This is beautiful. I’ve been looking at it for hours

[sinful anvil]

i can tell someone is doing the table trick on rhythm questgiver

[boreal nebula]

What colors represent this flag?

[frigid tinsel]

Nonbinary flag

[boreal nebula]

White yellow and black are already clearly visible on Elders.. maybe adding them skins with purple tones too would be a nice touch for an event

[keen shore]

Looked at this image and started tearing up. My life is 100x better after seeing it

[frigid tinsel]

My crops are flourishing

[keen shore]

After seeing this image all the spirits have ascended and all the problems in the world of sky have been solved

[frigid tinsel]

[boreal nebula]

Like.. Adding some purple for the Days of Rainbows for example

Last year it was a Rainbow cape which let Rallying Thrillseeker coming out

[frigid tinsel]

Tears of joy

[raw crypt]

IM GLAD U ALL LIKE IT!!

and god thats be so cool.. im very excited to see what they do for days of rainbow this year, especially seeing spirits return for fortune

[rigid mural]

rythm gang for gay pride

[boreal nebula]

Again, Im not quite sure if Void is the correct term, cause even clouds are drawn in spirals, which are made of light and recharge us even in forest
Or at very least could be a way 2 terms have a strong duality with they opposite (like the observation I made about Bond and Loss)

[late wasp]

||it's how the symbol is called in game files||

[boreal nebula]

How could you possibly know?

[thin dirge]

Eh, its probs just placeholder name.

[rigid mural]

source ?

[boreal nebula]

And why void not yet explained by a season

Joke, but still wondering... Prophecy was (almost) directly after Enchantment (with the pause of Sanctuary, because there was lockdown, so devs prefered something chilling).. so till now we had Dreams Assembly LittlePrince Flight and now Abyss

[thin dirge]

Flight and Abyss being next to each other is interesting, because the themes of the two Seasons directly contrast each other, and the time periods they represent as well

[boreal nebula]

Purple maybe got a sortof explaination with Imagination, TLP map is heavily purple

Yet I wish we have a deep lore origins of the 2 remaining lights 🟣 🔴

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, indeed

[thin dirge]

Flight represented the era where ancestors and light creatures still worked in harmony with each other. Abyss on the other hand was the era where they used technological advances to prosperity, dark stones and stuff. Abyss reveals how ppl worked during that era. While Flight reveals how ppl worked during their own era with the creatures.

They're two Seasons that are in complete contrast to each other, by whats in the Season, the lore they give, and even the area itself. Even the main gameplay of the Season. Flight is obvs on the skies, while Abyss is diving in deep waters

[raw crypt]

I think it could be representative as wholeness, or both darkness and light as one, or well, just light, i got shot down last time but I do think theres a possibility that red symbolizes at least some aspect of light, I guess you find darkness in darkness, but also in darkness theres light, or however that quote goes, and the new shop quote, from darkness light is born, its a duality, and I think it makes sense for something dealing with light to reveal murals made of light, as well those murals both depict creation (megabird, spells, enchantment and lightseekers being coworkers) and destruction (the storm, boat crashing, krill), as well red is a warmer tone associated with flame like orange, reds such a weird case GJDHDHDH, but I rlly think it could be both light and darkness, hence why it isnt yellow like raw light, but still an aspect of it

[pastel brook]

In our hearts we are all moths

[late wasp]

@keen shore can vouch for me @boreal nebula and @rigid mural

[boreal nebula]

But it also true that back then we just theorized Orange being Fire and so on, while we got a relevant clue with the Orange Orb icon and the Daily Quests icons (shifting from Ench to Proph) just some months ago

[thin dirge]

Oh yeah, speaking of Abyss, was exploring there and found mines that have now been flooded by the waters.

[keen shore]

I really need some more in game lore on red light to be honest. We can sort of unravel what purple light does, but currently Very Little about the red light makes sense to me. The only thing I can connect it with is how red seems to go hand in hand with corruption (angry krill eyes and corrupted darkstone) plus how the symbol seems connected to the Megabird somehow because it’s a spiral?? But I have no idea how to connect those in a way that makes sense, especially because it’s called “void” and isn’t a form of light pushing into darkness like we are

[late wasp]

also yeah, filenames are not necessarily canon and open to change
but it was fun how you pretty much found out the meaning of the Purple light on your own @boreal nebula

I mentioned this to Salem. How you basically figured it on your own. ||It's called MIND in the files||

[thin dirge]

Tbh, I thought it was clear they convey memory somehow. Because they created murals that told of previous events. Several murals we've seen in Sky are scattered everywhere, always telling stories of past events. If anything, the murals they create gives us stories of the past.

So I think red is always meant to represent memory. If used, it ends up conveying the history of the area that you used it on.

Ugh, if only we could use it in-game and use it everywhere to just easily uncover lore of the entire game

[boreal nebula]

I think it could be a Light tied to Storytelling, cause it shade some lights upon the darkness of what we dont know

I hope the origins of that will be set in Isle, cause is the more storytelling one, with murals as tutorials, and the "voice" of Isle Elder talking to us throught them

[keen shore]

Quick question that might help us out. What did the red light add to the ark again when we got it? Was it the murals?

[thin dirge]

Yep, it was the murals if I were to recall. So my assumption was that they convey memory or history, and the way Sky does it is obviously through murals

[raw crypt]

AH THAT REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
my friend theorized that reds the colour of darkness and light interacting, when a krill sees you, a light, or manta, a light creature, it turns red, the charged stones in eden that sucks your light, red, its an interesting observation that makes me want to add on that it could be both instead of the absence of either

ohh memory and storytelling, history could be it, and well, history is full of light and dark, creation and destruction, especially given eden, a historical site, is red (i do miss teal eden)

[late wasp]

Yeah! It always reminds me of this. "In game" the Red Light is said to be "where darkness prevails". But the V-word has a different meaning than Dark.

[keen shore]

My only concern with it representing historical sites and being used in history murals is that… everyone’s dead. Everything is historical lol — do get everyone’s point though, especially with it giving the murals, which is interesting

Small add on that red light is suspected to be one of the lights created after prophecy (as with purple light) as it’s not present in the trials

[late wasp]

Also I'm more inclined to follow Teb's view of Memory belonging to Purple though.

[late wasp]

Very true! We can surmise the origin of the Purple: Vault Elder.
But Red Light might have come from the darkstone imo.

[rigid mural]

the seasons contrast yes, but Flight Guide's first intro line, "Has a better vision of a more harmonious life", seems to imply things could be improved; perhaps they "Guided the spirit group to the Islands" when darkstone technology was starting to become prominent and the group was worried about the consequences.

[thin dirge]

Though, arent the descriptions just based off of the areas the lights are in, to tell us where they are? I dont think the "Darkness prevails" really means that the Red Light was really associated with Darkness, it just happened to be a place where darkness literally prevails. Or am I misremembering something?

Wait, isnt there some kind of theme with Sky about how there's this balance between light and dark? Maybe the reason why Red ligjt just likes darkness is partially because of this?

[frigid tinsel]

Wondering how the Flight crew died

[keen shore]

This is a really interesting theory, especially with the whole “they’re already lights and creating red light could’ve just been a matter of sticking a light into a place of extreme darkness” line of thinking. Especially since functioning darkstone is also technically a combo of light & dark (needs to be lit via fire to work) so it would be connected to that as well

[boreal nebula]

I still wonder how much of Abyss is technoloty used against or with the animals

Yes there us tech, but maybe it was a rescue acquarium, or maybe they used them there to get some cruelty free energy from mantas (and possibly oxygen too, the acquarium is still full of it after we released them)

Plus those stones.. ar those really "the darkstones"? They seems safe and additionally Tearful Light Miner maybe is a prove that "resource" is not (maybe not yet) the darkstone we see in concepts

[rigid mural]

tbf, would you link the blue light in dawn with uncorrupted darkstone and krill blue lights ?

[late wasp]

even in Daily Quests, the Red Light can also only be found in either the Shipwreck in GW or the Forgotten Ark area described as "where darkness prevails". The symbol for "red light" has that internal name. so idk

[keen shore]

I haven’t thought over the blue light much but it’s certainly possible. We can collect all the information we know about them and maybe just have a conversation about that? (Said conversation will probably be full of me confusing cyan and blue light because of how similar looking they are)

[thin dirge]

Yeah, there's a chance they're not quite the same... I had that thought as well for a while before Abyss showed up. Though it seems they're looking for specific rocks shown in Commodore's memory, and you see a lot of these rocks in the water. They dont harm us though, so maybe they're inaffective cause out flame is too inefficient to cause the rocks to glow. It does take a while to charge a diamond even if we stuck our flame to it, and thats the small really diamonds btw.

Oh, and have a pic of one of those "rocks"

[keen shore]

Got punted off the edge 💔 /j

In actuality, if they got cut off from the rest of the world like the fact that we have to reopen the paths seem to suggest, probably just starvation considering they don’t have a great food source other than hunting birds, which I feel like they would be very against if such a thing is even possible in the first place

[late wasp]

Blue is the WATER internal name. It can be found in the Valley (clear pure frozen water), and in Cave of Trials, it is the element of "Patience", given to the ||Impatient and rude|| Forest Elder and then used to create the rain. (I don't know why)

[keen shore]

If you tried to kill a bird I think it would just poof out of existence. You could probably hunt and kill a manta though as they have provable skeletons, might taste like pineapples :^)

[thin dirge]

I dont think they were always like that.

When you think about it, all the Elders who had the specific lights now have personalities directly contrasting the said values of the lights they own. Prairie is lazy, not working well with Earth's value, resilience, Forest is impatient, the Twins are out of balance and GW Elder seems to have given up....

I dont think they were always like that. It mustve started when they started straying from the truth and became blinded in the goals of expanding the Kingdom's prosperity. Or when the Kingdom fell....

[late wasp]

I like to think they were always like that, and the Prince tried to balance them

[thin dirge]

If ppl moved on to new tech, Prairie would now have no purpose so they would have become lazy. Forest wouldve became impatient due to her excitement of her new invention, becoming corrupted by greed. Twins became out of balance when they became independant of each other and became rivals. GW Elder.... I think he probs lost the war and retreated, showing lack of that trait

[boreal nebula]

mmm , after all there is a story about some (light) lives where a tragedy (darkness) prevails

Shipwreck and Ark both are places where the darkness prevailed, but by uncovering it, we discover the bright stories about the Saluting Captain and all funny or lore stories about the Ark Crew

Despite my fondness on aligning it with Storytelling instead of Void, I indeed think there is much we need to understand about Red Light yet

[late wasp]

one thing that bothers me about Environment Lore is how the Ancestors are always building defenses against Terrestrial Animals, not flying ones like the Krill.

For example, I'd say it's pretty relevant how the Settlements and Facilities in the Hidden Forest and walled off. Protected by Light-powered Gates.

It's weird to think they are building all of that for Crabs. I wish TGC introduced new terrestrial dark creatures. (we know from the Switch trailer that forests were the natural dwelling of dark creatures)

[frigid tinsel]

True. Tho it’s hard to place when the Flight crew lived. Regarding the quotes Vela noted, there’s suggestion that the Flight crew established the wind path when darkstone technology was first developing, as Vela suggested. If the Flight crew were around much sooner than that, who were maintaining the Wind Paths in their abscene?

Also the line in the intro I’m struggling to reconcile: “as spirits we became many.” Did spirits and living ancestors coexist? If so, could the Flight crew been around in the earlier days of the kingdom and stuck around as spirits until the fall?

Except they look awfully young tho. If they lived later and if there were divisions among the ancestors over whether to continue using darkstone despite the pollution & animal cruelty the manufacturing process caused, somethjng Flight crew would be against, I worry about their fates.

[boreal nebula]

well terrestrial defences in GW , like the anticraft thingies, could be still rudimentally prepared against Krills

we Don't have to forget how Krills charge against us on the ground. So maybe they were created with the intention of let them impale with their charges

[rigid mural]

you think flight guide once saw a sky kid slipping and falling into the void so they run to them only to see and be reminded that they fly so it's like that one "hey look it's a bear- NOOOOOOOO oh he's right there" vine

[boreal nebula]

XD

[rigid mural]

the panting at the end bc he put all his soul in that distraught yell gets me

[keen shore]

It is really hard to place when they lived, because Prairie, being one of the further realms from Eden, doesn’t show much signs of damage or post disaster change in general. All of the visible effects like buildings crumbling away can just be attributed to passage of time. In fact, as far as I can tell, there’s no easily identifiable effects of the disaster on the realm, which seems like a thing unique to Prairie and maybe Valley.

There are two things that can help with dating the wind paths, though. The first is that judging by their reactions with the second to last quest, the flight spirits seem to be familiar on some level with what darkness and corruption looks like. The second is the architecture. Neither are foolproof but they might be able to help us a little bit!

Also about that line in the intro. My first interpretation of it was that it referred to everyone dying off and how many spirits remained needing our help, but because of the timing in the intro in general, it doesn’t make too much sense with the flow. Spirits continuing to stay in some form after death would explain why spirit memories exist in the first place, although it does make it seem like the realms would be much more full of them

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids prob don’t feel pain when they crash into solid objects flying at high speeds so I have this little idea of the Flight crew showing concern over some skykids who crash landed on the ground only for the skids to pop up and be like “no, we’re fine! It didn’t hurt at all! Watch this!” and they start banging their heads together while shouting “we’re fine! It doesn’t hurt!” and the Flight crew is just 🙃

[late wasp]

the effects of the storm disaster in distant realms became clear to me when going through the valley of triumph.

that place was not built with so much clouds around in mind. (for example right out of the gates of both races, you see some stairs and other architecture swallowed by the clouds) like the floor is covered by clouds
the clouds in those realms are the effects of the story, most likely.

[keen shore]

I like to imagine that this is how the flight guide learned that we can fly

[frigid tinsel]

Bouncing off Vela again, I remember them suggesting this about the aura around the season symbol corresponding to a timeline when those spirits lived: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Going off of that, we could suggest that the Flight crew lived later, not close to the fall but during the peak of darkstone tech and when concerns were arising.

As for the intro:

[late wasp]

Another fun point is how the Valley people rode mantas. Even the Elders.
Their use of darkstone is very limited.

[willow prawn]

I would say the Dreams village is pretty advanced though. They got a whole system to go up based on darkstone, there's no mantas around, and you can see how the lights in the coliseum work as a light show

Maybe manta riding was more sporty in Valley rather than for common use

[late wasp]

Very true! I agree!

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps at that time the distance between the ancestors and light creatures were greater. Like how you don’t see much wildlife in urban areas, entertainment venues involving animals would be a spectacle for urban inhabitants who seldom interact with them. Riding mantas was no longer a necessity — see the gondolas in Dreams village — but rather a source of amusement

[keen shore]

OOH that’s a neat observation, the idea of prophecy only happening in the middle of the kingdoms lifespan is really neat to me, as it opens up the possibility of a fairly common assumption of it happening at the very beginning being wrong

[frigid tinsel]

Vela you are a blessing in this channel

[keen shore]

Cannot imagine the panic that would arise from seeing your only savior in centuries come to help you ascend, then a full second after you’ve noticed them and begun to feel relieved, they trip and fall to their deaths

[frigid tinsel]

I’m still cracking up at that skykid nosediving off the edge

[keen shore]

And so began a long tradition of skykids begging the flight guide to punt them off the edge

[willow prawn]

To be honest I would be more concerned about seeing someone coming in for the first time in centuries like a bullet skyrocketing towards the floor

MOTH GO NYOOOM

[keen shore]

Considering how they were born, rocketing towards the earth and ramming into it at full speed is kind of a tradition for skykids at this point

[rigid mural]

flight spirits: genuine concern
abyss spirits: "if the kid dies, they die."

[frigid tinsel]

Flight: let’s make sure everyone’s safe, have some music to nap to, light creatures to cuddle with—
Abyss: kick the baby, also the stuff in the water might eat ya

[keen shore]

Flight guide would 100% adopt us if given the opportunity

[frigid tinsel]

Bold of you assume they already hadn’t

[keen shore]

…I wonder how many families skykids have been adopted into at this point. It’s got to be at least one. Belonging family almost definitely is one of them

[frigid tinsel]

i imagine with in every season, in every realm, there's at least one spirit who picked up a skykid and went "this is my child now."
Assembly spirits exception being that they consider the skykids fellow siblings.

Abyss spirits have "throw the kid in the water to teach them how to swim" energy

[white dagger]

pspspspsppsps legally where did thsi happen

[white dagger]

gramma has adopted every single skykid and younger looking spirit in existence

wait question are the spirits that are larger skykid sized teenagers/young adults? Like most of the spirits from assembly
oh no did that mean the eden thingie happened when they were that age D: oh no

[rigid mural]

i was referring to the vine hdgghdsghdsghhgds

[white dagger]

oHhHh

i am definitely smart

[keen shore]

If the belonging ancestor has their way, EVERYONE will become part of the belonging family

[rigid mural]

the assembly guide still stands so proudly in their treehouse because while their friends may have ascended, they get sky kid visitors to play with
where do i file for adoption

[keen shore]

It’s too late, they’ve already adopted us as their siblings, reverse adoption is impossible

[rigid mural]

not if i use that UNO reverse card ! Ha !

[white dagger]

since i didnt jnow what was going on during little prince i consider flight guide my parent
sometimes i even hang out in the wind paths just for fun and also pretend that im light whisperer cuz i have all their stuff

[frigid tinsel]

skykids: congradulations, you're adopted! we adopted you!
assembly guide: no you can't adopt me because I already adopted you
skykids: but we just adopted you
assembly guide: nuhu
skykids: uhuh

[uncut pond]

Hi hello yes nice to meet you lore chat

Can someone here explain me what on heaven is this?
Isn't citadel supposed to be some sort of... Place where people can exist and do stuff??
What the hell is this place's layout even supposed to be???
These stairs and walls make absolutely no sense

Oh and by the way I love how the citadel is designed in a way that you can totally progress through most of it by just walking without flying or even jumping, you can explore most of it by just chilling and walking around, the majority of it is interconnected with stairs so it's rather easy to navigate, since (I think) spirits can't fly

Probably the only thing about the citadel that makes sense and also my favorite place in the entire game to explore

[white dagger]

i feel like its some sort of flying/almost flying only place? kinda like village of dreams is skating themed
though also "citadel" means "fortress" so maybe it was only a place to temporarily be
i wanna know more about the spinny rings ngl
like are they darkstones as well or
why are there no murals surrounding them

[uncut pond]

Spirits can fly?

[white dagger]

maybe? there are spirits with capes, and maybe pre-death spirits knew how to fly (or use "ancient power") as well?
at the very least they could fly or they used things to fly

[rigid mural]

The days of fortune dragon is actually a lion... hence the resemblance with fire prophet mask.
I feel like the IAP is the irl lion costume & the stone one in home is the sky version

[uncut pond]

If I remember correctly, eastern dragons share some of their facial features with lions, I think they had lion faces with deer antlers and snake bodies

I might be remembering wrong tho

[harsh pecan]

Ohh I remember those

[rigid mural]

Eagle talons too ! They have a bit of every element it seems :)

[frigid tinsel]

the spinny rings are orrerys, which are mechanical models meant to represent the movement and phases of planets in a solar system. though it's unclear what the orrerys in the citadel represent. the solar system of the Sky world? who knows

the orreys are probably suspended by power diamonds embedded in the circular plane beneath them or the surface is made of darkstone/a flat form of power diamond itself.

[keen shore]

Spirits cannot fly with capes (hence entire season of flight quest plot) but they can use darkstone boats as flying devices and can ride mantas :3c

[uncut pond]

They're not too different from western dragons I guess, dragons seem to always be a mix of several different species in most cultures, the only requisite for them counting as dragons being having some reptile's characteristics thrown into the mix

[white dagger]

ooh imagine if the citadel race was originally a manta race :o

[hushed steeple]

they can fly🤔

[white dagger]

ooooh i see👁️👁️
though i always get sort of ominous vibes from the citadel idk why
looking at the "fortress" definition it does look like a place where its easy to defend via bows or something, i mean all the hidey spots along the edges that can only be accesses from inside

[white dagger]

the spirits i mean """:3 like backflipping champion they just sorta nyoom thru via manta

[keen shore]

Citadel’s architecture is odd in general. There are structures resembling watchtowers, but they’re very low to the clouds, and connected by an even lower semicircle bridge that makes going between them unnecessarily hard. The name Citadel implies people live there, and the floating cylindrical shape resembles old concept art of high class valley homes, but none of the architecture actually seems like a house people would live in. My current guesses are

1. the clouds which line the bottom are by no means the bottom of the structure itself, and that the citadel is the top of a pillar like structure that goes down far below what we can actually see, complete with functional homes and a darkstone core allowing it to float. Keep in mind that the mountain almost seems to drop off completely where the bridge to the center starts, suggesting that instead of going deep into the earth like vault does, the entire structure is completely independent from the mountain itself.
2. the name “citadel” is a misnomer (despite being called that in daily quests involving the area) and it has a different purpose entirely. From the architecture itself it’s hard to say what this might be, but my current guesses include a manta holding area between flying races, a practice area for flying race contestants (both of these guesses are based around the spirit memories present in the area) or a special event was held in the middle and all the structures along the walls are where people would spectate from.
3. most of the original citadel architecture has collapsed due to the Eden disaster or the passage of time, making what’s left seem almost nonsensical. Maybe it was made out of wood that rotted and collapsed due to the high moisture of the clouds, maybe all the rubble fell beneath the cloud cover; who knows. Both the bridge to the center and the bridge connecting the center to the flying race show signs of being destroyed to the point of almost being unrecognizable. (1/2)

[uncut pond]

My personal guess is that TGC just completely gave up trying to design a citadel and they just

ended up with this

no offense to the devs and designers, Sky is great and I love it and I appreciate all the effort that went into it

[keen shore]

Several buildings, especially the ones on the outer rim, are completely destroyed, especially the bridges connecting them to each other and to the center. And… so on. You get the idea. This is a boring answer, but still one worth considering.
Also keep in mind it’s also possible that the citadel had more outer stone rings than just the ones encircling the center and most of the buildings collapsed with that; that there were more citadels floating in the space between where the mountain ends and the flying race begins (and since half the building foundations were built on there, they all collapsed with it), all interconnected; and so on. Examples of the disaster destroying tons of architecture is also present in golden wasteland where we can see only a small percentage of the original structures. The homes of village of dreams and along the flying race could have just been more solid and endured time and the disaster more easily (2/2)

[white dagger]

oooooh 👁️👁️
much read
very lore
i love lore rambles though! and your answer makes sense and really is not boring
imagine if it originally was around twice the size of the Sanctuary's mountain? I mean sanctuary as a whole is huge in itself so I wouldn't put it against sky to have floaty things that are that size + smaller floaty things for more housing
please ramble more in the future/g

[keen shore]

Thanks! I do it a lot, rest assured that it is not an uncommon thing for me to ramble. (In fact I probably do it too much) I imagine it as quite a bit taller than sanctuary mountain but not quite as wide. I’m trying to think of a similar thing to compare it to

[white dagger]

perhaps a total area similar to vault i mean im sure vault has more than enough space

[hushed steeple]

Hey what we talking about? :D

[keen shore]

I can see it as an area similar in height to vault but not quite as wide! Especially since valley is supposed to be a city but it doesn’t seem to be crowded with homes; that leaves open the possibility that a lot of houses are packed into an efficient vertical space

[white dagger]

the citadel area of vault :3

[white dagger]

as someone who lives in a very crowded city i can definitely say that this is plausible
aww imagine little apartments

[hushed steeple]

Ehy hum, so i dunno if it's just me or anything but isn't a citadel fortress in case of conflicts like wars or stuff like that? Could be wrong cause English isn't my first language.

[white dagger]

^^ salem ramble! perhaps is not entirely accurate name :3 (theres 2 parts)

[keen shore]

Yes, although whether that is a misnomer or not is up for debate, considering there’s not much signs of war in the kingdom pre wasteland and no reason to believe the ancestors even considered it as a thing to prepare for. For instance, there isn’t a wide variety of weapons shown in wasteland and no evidence of armor at all, both things that suggest the sky kingdom only really put effort into thinking about or participating in wars before then. If they had, someone would have invented armor to keep themselves from dying, and a whole slew of weapons would have emerged for different situations, not just swords and spears, both of which only come in one shape each

[white dagger]

helo i am back!
ooooh
yeah fair bows dont rly show up at all
though! if they were made of wood and we go with the thing that wood disintegrated (from ur theory from the citadel) they could all just be gone too!
Though having something like caster magic could have also existed in a form? I mean firework staffs and the fact that levitation exists (wizards?)

would be very neat

[frigid tinsel]

Sky seems to have a light-based magic system wherein (magic) light can affect the tangible world, whether by transforming things, manifestation (illusion) objects, or telekinesis

[white dagger]

magic go pewpew!

[frigid tinsel]

we also know colored light bears certain abilities, as demonstrated with the Season of Enchantment and implied by some murals in the Cave of Prophecies. they're correlated with the elements. here is a colorscript someone (I believe Sophos) made that details what we know about some of the colored lights.

earlier there was a convo speculating about red and purple lights because those were not present in the Season of Prophecy and, even with the Season of Enchantment that introduced them, their purposes remain uncertain

[white dagger]

blink blonks in the fact that starlight desert is very purple-y and that the upper vault floors have a very etheral/magic vibe and are also purply)
another thing to add to my "vault sus" suspicions

plus the red light of the krill, eden being very red, yanno!

[keen shore]

OH RIGHT BOWS ARE A THING TOO! [dismayed Hunter memory] I keep forgetting about those, although to be fair, they seem to have been used on creatures only. Fun fact, they’re the only non blunt force weapon we can see - the swords’ blunt edges suggest it couldn’t slice very well. Wonder if this says anything about ancestor anatomy

[white dagger]

maybe things that needed killing were more of a "bonk bonk bonk" thing than a "slice slice slice" thing
plus things could have eroded

[keen shore]

Also side note. there’s probably a lore reason why yellow light got skipped over and replaced with cyan light instead of just having the 6 colors of the rainbow. Probably something to do with how we, winged lights, lightseeker lights and murals all glow Yellow

[keen shore]

See, I thought of the erosion thing but it didn’t seem quite right — if it was iron it would have rusted, metal in general would still look sharp to some extent and have a thinner edge. “Eroding” suggests it was made of stone which makes it more reasonable as a bashing instead of slicing weapon due to weight

• if only bashing weapons could be used on the targets and slicing weapons were useless.. what does that imply about the anatomy of the targets

[frigid tinsel]

yellow light seems really common, given it can appear as orbs in all the realms, so perhaps it isn't all that special? it doesn't do anything. or the devs didn't want the original yellow light to be confused with those so they switched that yellow to cyan

[keen shore]

Probably the second one, though still interesting that yellow light seems to be less important than the rest… or more common? maybe it’s the base for making all the other colors on

[frigid tinsel]

but yellow is a color. if there were to be base color, wouldn't that be white?

[keen shore]

To be fair, the main ball looks white, only the actual glow is yellowish (although the white color could just be from the yellow getting super concentrated). Iirc all the main bodies of the colored lights, not just the glow, are vividly colored as well.

[white dagger]

slightly off topic but i do kind of like how orange light was the last quest, considering the whole orange prevalence in sky it kind of makes it.. sound i guess? and the orange returning symbolizing and literally making the forgotten ark habitable and very pretty looking

in reference to this ^^

[harsh pecan]

The Red and Purple lights probably aren’t in Prophecy because they’re more “artificial” than the others, idk

[boreal nebula]

I think this is a book

[dawn reef]

How did krills become krills?

[compact shale]

The krill is probably a corruption-reanimated skeleton of what it used to be as a light creature

[dawn reef]

How did they look like as light creatures?

[compact shale]

It's not confirmed WHAT light creature the krill used to be. It's been speculated to be mantas, whales, but I think the most plausible one is this creature from the Switch trailer.

[dawn reef]

Ok,thanks

[uncut pond]

I think Light Awaits had a model for a sort of light dragon that eventually got replaced with the giant whale(?) thing we have today

Not sure tho, somebody should go and check I'm too lazy to do it myself lol

[stable veldt]

Hello lorechat, i just realized that the light's order is basically lore:

Red (darkness) goes first, showing from darkness comes light. From there, water comes first, probably due to life originated from water or also light creature's first appearances (which they looked like water creatures). Next is wind, like season of flight n stuff, the villagers starts to harness flying as main transport and stuff, possibly before darkstone.

Earth symbolized darkstone, in which in forest they dig and mine for these. Using those, they created magic (purple), where they start to harness technology instead.

With the downfall of civilization, came orange (fire), which probably meant us coming back to give warmth to the now cold earth

[late wasp]

hi, back. i'm sophos

[worn obsidian]

@celest saffron TGC did made the “Storm Defender” also known as Eden King back then but the OOB was removed.
Image Credit: Voi (voisarvi#0023) (IG: sky.voi)
Image Originating Platform: Instagram

[celest saffron]

I-
Wha-

The concept art I have is far from this one-

[lofty void]

rhythm pendant

[lyric isle]

a big prop used by the rhythm troupe at their shows

[thin dirge]

Ermm.... That wasnt exactly found by an oob tho from what I remember...

I-Is that model even allowed to be posted here?

[worn obsidian]

IDK about the OOB, voi said it so…

[thin dirge]

Hmm, if its from Voi, Ill believe it

[neat flint]

It's originally from a hacker

[lucid ibex]

Hey guys! Is there an estimated timeline of all seasons somewhere? Or is it all up to interpretation?

[late wasp]

iirc each season takes 3 months.
but at the start of the game it says how much time the current intro has.

iirc we still have 50 days of Abyss

[lucid ibex]

Oh I mean since eden was corrupted

Cause the spirits are dead right? And I’m just assuming that past seasons take place over a veryyyyy long time

So uh- hard to explain but I’d assume Season of Assembly would take place after Proph due to their use of furniture and thingys

[late wasp]

ah my bad! hahah we can probably figure out

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
(forgot to reply)

I thought it was a dragon because it resemble the ones people would dance with. The ones that are held up with sticks and sometimes seen chasing an orb (a lucky ball).

https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/special-report/chinese-new-year/new-year-dragon-dance.htm

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact, the dragon in the dragon dance would have an odd number in its joints to be regarded as Auspicious.
The one in Sky has a head, 4 body sections and a tail. Counting the joints between the pieces makes it have 5 joints, which ties in well with the name, Auspicious Visitor.

[delicate agate]

king model seems soo nice to animate jump in the cacc meme

[stone cargo]

hi lore chat.

jesh.

[deep ivy]

Are Elders gods or sky kid ancestry?

[nimble ingot]

They are likely gods.
Or at least Elder Ancestor Spirits, since they have a temple, followers, do not appear as spirits (have a blue/golden tint) and can be summoned in Orbit

[late wasp]

Bible might help with this. (and Shinto finalize the thought). "gods" and "spirits" are interchangeable words. The Bible use the word "elohim" (gods) to refer to spiritual beings. Which is why God is known as the "God of gods". In recent years we changed the wording and just use "spirits" or "angels/demons".

This notion that the word "god" is simply another word for spirit, helps understand Shinto, Hinduism, etc, religions that don't have a heavy Abrahamic influence. There are gods (spirits) all around, even a pebble has its god.

The concept art seems to use this understanding of the word "god", given by how they just say "God does X". god and spirit are the same thing.

That being said, the Elders are just as the name emplies, they are elder gods/spirits. It is more of a leadership position.

Ceremonial offerings (candles) are given to all the dead, the Elders tend to receive more offerings, because they are more popular, but common spirit graves will also receive candle offerings (seen in Vault for example)

Elohim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Kami: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kami

"The wide variety of usage of the word kami can be compared to the Sanskrit Deva and the Hebrew Elohim, which also refer to God, gods, angels, or spirits."

These details are probably easier to pick up by the East Asian, and Indian players.

[nimble ingot]

While I dont have enough knowledge of most cultures and their religions.

With respect, in Christianity, God is not equal to spirits.
This is because God is seen as the highest being, while a spirit is seen as lower than the angel that serve God.

In Sky, there does seem to be a heirarchy with Ancestor spirits, then the Ancestor spirit guides, the elders, and the King (supposedly, as he used to rule over all of the realms) and then Megabird.
The king and megabird, could be on the same level, but they are not equal to the ancestor spirits.

[late wasp]

||yeah, which is why i mentioned the "God of gods" heh. God is like one level higher than the "gods", nowadays often just called angels/demons. It is the same in other religions, like how in Hinduism, Indra, the "king of the gods", still worship Vishnu, who is like a "God for the gods".||

Megabird is likely this "God of gods".

[boreal nebula]

Yeah that could be a nice analogy for our Sky experience/story, beside the obvious cycle for restoring Forgotten Ark!

[boreal nebula]

Maybe yes, the had to progress in it by walking and we just met one daredevil spirit, Bowing if I am correct, who tried to ride/fly on a manta right there in the Citadel

It should be a place for studying the skies and stars cycle if you ask me, since there are alot of orreris flying there, especially the big one in the center, which recalls a globe like Earth with a sort of equator too

We cannot say for sure if the place is as it should have been, maybe some of it crumbled and it doesnt explain someeirdness

[late wasp]

Vault mural however show that everyone was riding mantas iirc though

[stable veldt]

Everybody be riding the mantas while the mantas can only complain by honking.

Any chance skids honk and they honked back is the equivalent of both of them trash talking for being rided both by spirits and skids

[late wasp]

actually now i'm confused, where did I see the Elders riding mantas...
It's not the vault one

[nimble ingot]

The twins perhaps?

[late wasp]

it is them playing some game, while riding mantas, and their followes behind. i will tour around and try to find it

[late wasp]

found it, it was cave of prophecy final mural. although it might not be mantas. considering they look like skateboards powered by the wind magic.

[hushed steeple]

No manta riders here. But a spirit does ride a manta in valley citadel memory.

[late wasp]

Something else VERY IMPORTANT that i want to mention is how the Alchemist already has blue magic. they try and fail to clear some dark water pond. maybe biting too much for what they could chew.

we, recovering the Blue Light only enhances their power.

MEANING: it is likely that spirits can just learn these different forms of magic on their own. like they do with

[late wasp]

After some nice exchange at Home, and with this small piece of lore in mind. I think I would say that the Cannoneer knew at least some basic form of orange/red magic (fire or void). Given by how the emote produces said light.

This is a whole new horizon of lore we can explore. The lesser forms of magic each spirit has access to.

Needless to say how knowing some lesser fire magic is the exact skill someone that needs to light up cannons would need.

even before we give them the Blue Light

[uncut pond]

Cannoneer's power level just keeps getting bigger with each piece of lore we uncover
They're too OP

[boreal nebula]

Its an interesting analysis

In another discussion about the murals , and there are smaller boats around main Ark, one with additional water orb, so maybe they lost the big one but survived a while before running out of water spell as we see, thus that's why they could have fertilized the farm and have a crop To defend from birds

[late wasp]

what would you say "yellow light" is?

[inland stump]

Very late, but adding on to what someone said about the skykids being hollow;

If the the skykids are hollow, whats with the candle in their body? is it holding their form together or just game design? and if its not, how are they able to take the candle out of their body and put it back in?

also, something i was thinking about, if the candle in the skykid's are red, just like the candles we get wax from, are those candles from other sky kids? (maybe dead ones 🤔)

[keen shore]

OH THIS EXPLAINS WHY MURALS ARE SO RARE, maybe you need a certain kind of lesser form of magic to make them glow :3c

[late wasp]

I love this idea!!

[keen shore]

Side note candlemakers memory has murals in it that no longer glow or are visible when you look at them outside of it, suggesting that non glowing murals are common we just can’t see them anymore

[frigid tinsel]

just gonna
my pre-Abyss working theory on the composition of a skykid
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[deep ivy]

Is there a possibility of the universe of Journey and Sky being interconnected in some way?

They follow the similar concepts: a big and successful civilization died. In Journey because of greed, in Sky not disclosed how.

[late wasp]

That's the same plot of Demon's Souls too, and it even has the "colourless fog" devouring the kingdom. And souls like light fragments.

Pointing this out because similarity in narrative is not enough to say they share an universe, but even worse:

Journey's IP is owned by SONY, not TGC. It's technically illegal for Sky and Journey to have interconnected universes, unless SONY agrees to that idea, which it probably won't.

[white dagger]

damn companies making lore more of a struggle
across the board its just more and more annoyinn

[frigid tinsel]

Devs have said that Sky is a “spiritual successor” to Journey. They couldn’t make a direct sequel since Sony owns the copyright to Journey

[deep ivy]

i will forever keep reminding everyone that Journey saved TGC from bankruptcy

Took it and then lifted in from bankruptcy actually 🤩

[tawdry whale]

sky and journey are like sister series to me

[blazing geyser]

does this symbol have to do anything with the lore? i keep seeing this one and its variations (the one above Eden's portal in home) everywhere

[tawdry whale]

king maybe?

[blazing geyser]

im not familiar with Eden's lore soo

[keen shore]

We’ve been trying to map and figure out all the weird diamond lattice symbols over the last few days I think that’s a new one, usually the four diamonds are arranged like 💠 this, but this one seems to be missing the one on the bottom

[hushed steeple]

I seen it before but left it off since.....

Uh.

I didn’t want to also include all the lattices and things that look like

Forest mask also has the extra edges

[keen shore]

There’s so many of them, I don’t blame you. I think the best thing to do for the diamond shapes is just to focus on the most common ones, like the four diamond symbol split in half which we see almost everywhere in valley and wasteland, the full four diamond symbol, and so on

[hushed steeple]

I also kinda skip just a diamond shaped things, that lack the center eyehole dot or the little diagonal spikes

[keen shore]

The canon reason behind so many of them is probably just “looks cool”

This is one of those questions, like the different colored auras around the season symbols, that I’m going to just file away to remember to ask about later

[rigid mural]

triple diamond pattern
pspspspsps

[keen shore]

YEAHH that’s the half one I was talking about that appears so. many. times. in wasteland & valley that we’ve been talking about

[upbeat wind]

Guys I think that wasteland is a abandoned place which no one had knew and spoke about and also I think the krills are like guards to keep sky kids out of the wasteland

[rigid mural]

Maybe it's linked to mountains ? Looking at the stars depicted above them & the pattern being prominent in Valley.

[keen shore]

Could be possible, but in the prophecy murals mountains seem to depicted as a single instead of double triangle with sharper slopes? Could just be it changed over time, so I’m still considering it

[rigid mural]

Prophecy murals could be from another time; they also seem to have a different function since the angular paintings look decorative first and foremost.

Also, this gate can also be found in the Isle temple, but I'd like to point out the presence of manta towers along with only 4 (tori or realm) gates. Could be that there too we see the separation between elders that were depicted having been given the elemental wisdoms and the elders that weren't.

[white dagger]

kinda reminds me of forest mask

[keen shore]

I Think there’s a roof line between those middle realm pillars because the doors for those realms are kind of shaped the same way, but it’s really hard to see due to size and bad lighting. Going to head through there with the torch later to see if I can light it better and see for sure

[white dagger]

though the four diamond thing also reminds me of the four elements that showed up in prophecy + enchantment, though if there's 3 it could mean a lack of an element
I'm thinking Fire, cuz.. candles, light, etc, and ur kinda restoring light to the realms and then losing it all over again
and it being at the bottom makes me think that it goes from top to bottom left to right for reading order, i.e.

Water

Earth - Air
Fire

[white dagger]

also is it just me or does this look like the thing at the Isle door, that keeps it from being opened until you touch it with the torch?
maybe there's some kind of connection with that?
it could also be a sort of isle vs eden parallels, since isle is the farthest from danger and eden is the closest/is the danger, makes brain go weewoo
though it also kinda makes me think, maybe the Eden area had a desposition similar to isle or prairie even or maybe the density of the forest since forest gate has that too (or at least the same mechanism)

[formal skiff]

That diamond-inside-diamond pattern reminds me of the diamonds on one’s cape. Idk i don’t know much Sky lore, just a thought that diamonds could represent light somehow

[late wasp]

@rigid mural that room also disproves the civil war theory by the way. making it one of my favorites.

there are the blue swords with the round sun shields there, mounted on walls.

[white dagger]

oooooooooh
wait civil war theory? have not heard of this

[wise rampart]

rule of eight and the kings shattered diamond?

[blazing geyser]

i accidentally cut off the bottom part ..

[white dagger]

oop

[keen shore]

You can still see that there’s not a a fourth diamond, though, seeing how the others connect to the center while the bottom is blank

[blazing geyser]

u sure??? im sure there was a 4th part.. I'll check rn

ok sorry im extra dum

[keen shore]

Side note the swords and spears, beginning to wonder if they were used to bring down krill. Sharp stabby weapons wouldn’t do much against their hard armor plating, so bashing weapons to crack their armor open would probably do better. Other option is the coelacanth because I think those have visible hard scales as well?? Or the ancestors if they had hard skin like us, although I personally need more evidence for this one going off how ridiculously big they are to be used on ancestor sized things

[blazing geyser]

here's a "better" pic

[keen shore]

This looks like it’s in the first area, am I right? The diamond in the center looks almost like you’re meant to put a crystal in it and then light it

[formal skiff]

I don’t think swords would’ve been used on krill, as I suspect krill would have to be attacked from afar- if you get too close you’ll lose winged light (unless this wasn’t a concern for the ancestors, but if krill hunting is even a thing then they must’ve posed some sort of threat). Spears can be thrown so they’d work though.

This makes me wonder what purpose swords could even serve if they wouldn’t be effective on krill.

[blazing geyser]

last thing, can these constellations help with the lore? :)

[keen shore]

My guess is that the swords weren’t used to bring them down, but to finish them off or cut them up afterwards. I don’t really know if you’d want to eat them, I get the feeling that doing so would probably corrupt you as well, but those massive serrated horns and armor like plates have got to have a great use for something

[formal skiff]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the constellations look like chains of Sky kids, so it’s likely just representing the little glowing kids you set free when you go through Eden.

[blazing geyser]

there's also the big fish in there, i think?

[formal skiff]

True true. I feel like swords wouldn’t be the right tool for the task, but I’m intrigued by this idea of krill armor :D

[formal skiff]

Ooh where? I can’t find it

[late wasp]

that's the "megabird" an entity/concept of a "creator"/source of life.

there are 3 skykid constellations flying towards rhe megabird. these 3 skids can be seen on the floor of Home's friend constellation.

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message more pics of Megabird for clarity

[formal skiff]

Unrelated but are there existing theories on these masks? At first I assumed they were the elders but there are only five

[white dagger]

I think it's that Daleth was left out from the Eden gate because they are in some way seperate from the rest of the elders? I'm not sure if this is canon or speculation but I think that the rest of the elders looked down on them?

[keen shore]

They are the elders, but the isle elder got forgotten for some reason. No one is entirely sure why yet, although the current idea is that all the other elders dislike them for some reason

[formal skiff]

Interesting. Poor isle elder.

[white dagger]

yeah :(
though speaking of isle elder
are they like
alive?
i mean in the cutscene they look like they heal or regenerate or something

[formal skiff]

Huh, I’d have to go back and rewatch the cutscene (which I don’t feel like doing atm because flying across the isle is tedious lol). I wonder how/why they would be alive though, if that’s the case. The regeneration you’re talking about might also be something that happened when they were alive previously, if that’s how it works… I am clearly quite new to this chat so I don’t know much about the elders or the speculations on what role they played and what happened with this tragedy thing you guys keep talking about… would someone mind giving me a quick explanation on those? sorry hehe

[nimble ingot]

Their mask is broken at the start of the cutscene. When the skykid gives him a flame. The elder take it with his staff and his mask is then restored.

During Light Awaits, his mask is shown breaking apart when he uses up the flame, which is no longer the case.

Here is a link to the cutscene of your convenience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sCB3zRyay4

[formal skiff]

Might the fact that they seem to be coming from the direction of Eden have any link to why they might be looked down upon by the other elders? From what I can see from your earlier conversation one theory about the Wasteland elder is that they betrayed the other elders somehow but I haven’t seen any similar theories about the isle elder

Btw almost everything I say is pure speculation as I’mnot yet that deep into the lore

[late wasp]

On the Tragedy - Part 1
It's subtle and mostly told through level design and mechanics.
but if you notice how butterflies (and creatures of light in general) replenish your energy, you can see they can become a source of power.

in Isle of Dawn we also see many flying boats full of jars. Later in the Daylight Prairie we see what's inside those jars: butterflies. We free a few during the Prairie Elder cutscene, and in a few other places in the game.

There was this large operation of collecting and exporting butterflies in jars through flying boats.

In the Hidden Forest, subtitled "discover the source of Ancient Power" we receive the answer what this whole operation was for. Specially the gate to the Forest Elder temple we see how they cut down trees and used these jars of butterflies, to create Power Crystals.

These Crystals are even shown in the Forest Elder cutscene, as they craft a new one and put our fire inside. (basically what they were doing with the butterflies). In the Forest we also see that they mined a substance called "Dark Stone". Dark stone is the raw material that can be turned into Crystals.

These Crystals were used to power all sorts of machinery (which we have been using so far, opening gates, creating flying platforms etc).

There is a whole another topic about Wasteland, the Vault and Eden. But these 3 areas (Isle, Prairie, Forest) tells the bulk of the backstory of the game.

In Eden, the red stone sucking the life out of us, is "darkstone" on overdrive. Similarly, it is implied the huge crystal is a giant Crystal trying to absorb the power of the World.

[formal skiff]

Thank you so much! Aaah Sky lore is so fascinating

[keen shore]

“The disaster” or “the storm” is just the term for whatever mass disaster caused the destruction we can see throughout the kingdom and subsequently killed everyone. A lot of specifics mentioned in sophos’s explanation we’re still unsure about (for example, we know darkstone was involved somehow, that the giant darkstone crystal in the last area of Eden also probably caused it, and assorted effects of the destruction) but the exact process to make darkstone is still mostly unclear, although we can guess at it. (This is a whole other tangent than the one you asked about so I’m just going to leave it there). Hope this helps :3x

[formal skiff]

Thank you as well!! I’m always up for anyone’s lore theories so feel free to go on tangents hehe >:3

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve likened those constellations to the “Creation of Adam” painting by Michelangelo, in this case being Megabird creates skykids or is gifting something to them

[rigid mural]

not sure if people get tired of it but my headcanon is that isle elder is the one bringing us to the world of sky, and perhaps sending our soul to orbit, like a psychopomp. Perhaps the other elders are separate simply because they are focused on holding the storm back, while isle elder's role is a bit different.
This might explain why the temple gate is the first thing you see when you finish the tutorial, and the last thing you see before the finale

[formal skiff]

Oh I really like that

Isle elder is the grandparent of all the lil moths lol

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea, Isle Elder is definitely a psychopomp. they're also known as Ferryman, invoking the Greek god Charon who carried souls of the dead across the River Styx on his boat to the underworld. if the Sky world is the afterlife or the path to the afterlife (Orbit/Megabird/The Light), then it makes sense for Isle Elder to be the first at the gates of the Sky world, leading others to their journey onwards

[rigid mural]

Charon is greek I think.

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea, Charon is Greek, not Egyptian. gonna correct that. thanks for letting me know 👍

[rigid mural]

In concept art, I think water was seen as holy, so it's possible the boat is also, symbolically, a way to thread close to the Light (megabird) for ancestors.
Really, Daleth's position is fascinating as a guide and as a liminal figure.

[frigid tinsel]

okay so there was an Egyptian ferryman, the god Mahaf who used Aken's boat to carry the souls of the dead to the underworld. He also announced the arrival of the god Ra.

[rigid mural]

ok fun fact, Ra also goes through the underworld on a boat, that's how egyptians interpreted the sun setting, night time and the return of Ra at dawn.
Kinda fits Sky with the time of day symbolism !

[frigid tinsel]

it fits with the idea that Isle Elder was closer to Megabird while the other Elders were led away by darkstone tech

[rigid mural]

Hmmm I beg to disagree, I think the elders were a bit more nuanced than for darkstone or for megabird. For example,
Prairie elder seems to be a caretaker of light creatures, going off the pin poem and how their apprentice is very much associated with them too.
Valley could have had at least a bit of respect for mantas, they seem to have been used for races according to the backflip spirit memory, as well as the twins summoning birds in Light Awaits (you can actually still see the birds circling the arena if you go OOB after watching the cutscene.

[sharp prairie]

hi, I wanted to know if anyone knows where I can find a summary of sky's lore because on this channel there is a lot of talk about it, but these are things I don't know, just to have a basic knowledge of what happened or if someone with a lot of patience can explain it to me. thank you (I put this message here, if the channel is not the right one, please delete the message)

[rigid mural]

god i wish we had a summary of sky lore too

There's a lore doc somewhere but it's outdated, still better than nothing tho.

[sharp prairie]

i can found it in the pinned message?

[rigid mural]

Lore Moff Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[frigid tinsel]

i agree with you about Prairie Elder, sorta "eh" about Valley Elder(s) but tbf they're harder to pin down.

there isn't a lot of darkstone tech in Prairie and as you said, Prairie Elder seems to be a caretaker of light creatures. the lack of darkstone tech may not be Prairie Elder outright rejecting it due to the animal cruelty involved or not being such a luddite like Isle Elder, but possible they may not be that aware of it (I wrote a quip around this and how they've employed spies if you wanna look at it) or preferred old-fashion means to power. though if the Elders besides Dawn did stray from Megabird, could Prairie Elder have focused so much caring for light creatures that they neglected their role to Megabird? unless caring for light creatures is their primary task?

as for Valley, it's a city in the mountains. to survive where agriculture was scarce, they would've had to rely on darkstone tech to import resources. you know the gondolas in the Dreams village, perhaps there was some used to bring food and such up and down the mountain. therefore the Valley Elder(s) must have approved of darkstone tech because that was how their realm thrived. the Valley Elder(s) may have employed a panem et circuses mindset towards their realm, entertaining the ancestors through sport and feeding them by utilizing darkstone tech. focusing so much on their people, they could have lost touch with Megabird. they could've viewed the light creatures as resources, not just for making power diamonds, but for entertainment. but at the same time, I do see where you're coming from with the idea that the Valley Elder(s) may have respected the mantas because of the utility they provided.

ig it's a question of "does a bond with light creatures enable a connection with Megabird?"

[rigid mural]

I feel like mantas in valley are kinda like horses irl: brute force, mean of locomotion, and... source of energy (as fuel or food).

My point is that I think the elders probably were torn themselves on the matter if darkstone was obviously hurting the environment (irl we were lied to for centuries, but if the elders have a parcel of divinity, then perhaps their motivations are different than just profit and efficiency).
Like Prairie Elder could have been aware of the light creature abuse, but they could have had a fawn response (=bending to an someone's will in the hopes they will be left alone afterwards without causing trouble).

[keen shore]

Side note while I read through this. I feel like whenever we have a conversation about this we make it sound like isle and prairie don’t have darkstone at all, even though both of them do. Isle I think has it in the temple and has darkstone boats in candlemaker’s memory and prophecy murals, Prairie has it scattered around to open various doors and also in boats

[rigid mural]

oh yeah definitely, though i feel like it's a case of this sometimes:

[sharp prairie]

(sorry for the intrusion but what is a darkstone?)

[keen shore]

They’re the bluish crystals we light to open doors, that we find for the abyss crew, and that are inset into boats. You mine them out of the earth and then refine them via a currently debated method. They’re also commonly thought to be heavily tied to the disaster that destroyed everything in some form or another

[sharp prairie]

oh understand tk

[keen shore]

Horrible theory about prairie elder. So I was part of a conversation earlier observing how mantas have diamonds on their heads and the reason most darkstone crystals are diamond shaped is because the darkstone is used as a casing around the diamonds once they are harvested to focus their power. However, the small pancake mantas (I believe the game calls these lights which are pretty cute) that seem to be baby mantas don’t have them yet. Prairie has tons of manta-style birdhouses and mantas in general… what if it’s where they were raised to diamond forming age so that they could be harvested in the later days of the kingdom

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, this is my premise around the idea about Prairie Elder's spies going off the idea that they were left in the dark about power diamond production.

[keen shore]

I think someone way earlier mentioned the forest and prairie elders being friends and when I read the tidbit about prairie elder protecting mantas, first thing I thought was “oh protecting them so nothing kills them before your friend does”

[compact shale]

"NO NATURAL CAUSES, BLENDER CAUSES ONLY" /hj

[frigid tinsel]

ig this is hard to pin down since we're speculating about the pasts and personalities of characters who only appear in 50 second cutscenes in the present. although we do have some evidence when regarding the state of the realms they presided over.

speaking of cutscenes, wondering about how Eden is visible only in Isle and Prairie's cutscenes or their liminal zones. could that imply some connection with Megabird or the true purpose of Eden? the other Elders seem to be in enclosed places where Eden isn't visible – cut-off from the holy site due to their own qualms?

[late wasp]

honestly, I think Prairie Elder was just happy using their Earth gift, creating life (butterflies) and vegetation. the mantas were just the power source in turn for the Elder to create butterflies.

[keen shore]

The fawn response is my headcanon too. I mean, isle is an isle cut off from everywhere else; they could afford to cut ties with the rest of the kingdom and be mostly fine. They were probably mostly self sufficient already anyways. Prairie, a realm mostly broken up into floating islands that make it hard to grow things, which already relies on darkstone boats to get from place to place, and who also doesn’t have a great natural supply of darkstone if any at all, doesn’t get that choice

[late wasp]

isle was not an isle though (Switch trailer)

[keen shore]

Now that I think about it, what even is prairie’s natural resources?? Light creatures? Stone? Practically every realm has those to some extent. Protest the main use of your main export and you’re out of money. Secede and no one cares because literally everywhere has rocks and chiseling them into basic shapes isn’t exactly hard to do

[keen shore]

Yeah it was! It’s just hard to see because of the clouds between prairie + isle plus the perspective of the switch trailer ending kind of cutting it off. There’s a massive ocean beneath birds nest in prairie which runs really close to it, and while in isle you can see the ocean surrounding it on every side but that. Plus… if it wasn’t an isle why would it be called one

Out of curiosity what’s the evidence for it not being an isle?

[late wasp]

I mean this

[compact shale]

I think they were talking about the Switch trailer. It used to be lush.

[late wasp]

you can see the Dawn Elder temple there.
Dawn Elder used to rule a vast amount of land, from a desert, to those grasslands, to a forest (the entrance cave of Isle of Dawn) and the lush "isle".

[keen shore]

Unless I’m misunderstanding, there’s no rule that states isles can’t have grass on them + the last thing you can see in the last shot is the temple. The ocean could totally start behind it, so that doesn’t really prove anything

[compact shale]

Prove what?

[late wasp]

it is just goes to show how much land was swallowed by the Ocean, between that time, and the time where we are playing. For example the forest was reduced to that small beach we spawn at in the Isle. Literally only that cave and the fields are left.

The rest was all swallowed by the Ocean. Likewise other parts of the Skyworld must have been submerged by the rising Ocean levels. Turning a much larger landmass into an "isle".

[late wasp]

Official map of what's left from the original landmass, still above the water.

[harsh pecan]

Who is the Handsome TLP spirit?

[harsh pecan]

Dang

[late wasp]

Gloating Narcissist

[harsh pecan]

Oh lmao

[late wasp]

"he" calls it an isle

[keen shore]

Out of curiosity where + when is the map from?

& the entire world flooding doesn’t change much considering it still could’ve always been an isle. Maybe not as large of one, but it isn’t exactly irrefutable that the ocean could have just been there before, so this evidence seems more speculative than anything.

• using tlp isnt great evidence either considering we still don’t know how much is canon. Plus iirc doesn’t that spirit live on an island anyways???

I’m not trying to be rude I am just a little confused

[harsh pecan]

I forgot about that- but is there a possibility that they weren’t referring to the entire Kingdom?

[compact shale]

I think that's referring to where they live...

[late wasp]

It was from a Flight livestream, Yui Tanabe made it himself (Cave of Prophecy murals are also all him) - (Season of Abyss is also all under him creatively). He made that map to show how the Flight paths connected. So it's the most recent official map we have.

||isn't a continent just one big island? lol What defines a continent is highly debatable, but maybe there is some formula, something to do with different biomes/size idk||

[frigid tinsel]

geography is a social construct

Megabird is the supposed god of Sky. Their nature is rather debatable, but they're almost certainly made of stars. They also sent skykids down to the world to fix it. you see Megabird after the end credits while descending from Eden.

the king was the ruler of the Sky kingdom, so basically they were in charge over the ancestors and probably the Elders. the king might've been an ancestor who rose to power or was Chosen One, the proto-skykid seen in Stargazer's memory who completed the trials. they might be the same as the prince who had been crowned king or the king and prince were separate beings.
the king doesn't really show up in game, though in Tom Zhao's concept art, the king had an instrumental role in the game's story, being the one who discovered darkstone and approved of darkstone tech despite the problems it caused. they probably went mad with power or was a child who had several mental breakdowns a day due to the responsibility put on them. the king was supposed to be a corrupted boss the players would confront while climbing Eden. despite not being as present in the game as during concept development, their symbolism is present throughout the game:

[violet sable]

Thank you for the information.

[violet sable]

What do you know about the red crystals in eden? I am writing up a new currency system(plan is to put it into #wishlist-and-ideas-archived) with fragments being the exclusive friendship and spell currency items. This way, candles can be about cosmetics and not force people to choose between a new cape and upgrading friendships.

[hushed steeple]

Both hardly in game anymore.

[compact shale]

Well, they're not "hardly" in the game. More "subtly" in the game.

[hushed steeple]

The crystals prolly bad and mean. Possibly remnants of darkstone pollution. But the way they shake also seem like they have the same instinctual draw to consume light as other dark creatures.

[violet sable]

What do you think of the idea of needing to put you and your friends' candles together to break them up and collect fragments?

[compact shale]

Sounds a bit too easy with the #looking-for-group-live thingus we already have

[hushed steeple]

Evil bad stone wants to eat us.

Lets spend it as money

[compact shale]

To be fair, we don't know what ancestral money is. The candles seem to have a more ceremonial/worship purpose for them.

[frigid tinsel]

@violet sable
The red crystals are corrupted darkstone and tbh they prob wouldn’t make a really good currency — they suck light from skykids and if you step on large ones, they instantly delight you. You’re supposed to avoid them, not collect them. I doubt skids could even bear to hold it.

But yea, the currency system could be better. Personally I’m more miffed at the heart system than the candles.

[hushed steeple]

I mean. Sometimes we theorize the red candles we collect is crumbled skykid shells from the ones you save.

[compact shale]

wait WHAT

[hushed steeple]

Its a theory

If that makes it any better

[compact shale]

ASHSFOHHHH

[frigid tinsel]

There doesn’t seem to be a way to effectively reverse corruption. Krill cannot be fought, only avoided. Corrupted darkstone sucks out light too fast for spells to theoretically work on them. The giant red diamond powering the Eden storm seems to be ongoing for who knows how long and we can’t get close to it.

I do like the idea of skykids being able to do something about corrupted creatures and things, but that may be difficult due to the nature of darkness is to grab and consume light so skykids, beings of light, may struggle to do anything to reverse it. We can melt darkness plants and globs from the geyser, but those are inert. That isn’t corruption.

[compact shale]

Yeah... we can't do anything about hostile darkness. Yet. Unless Megabird sends another Software Upgrade Manta to help with that.

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe, in the spirit of the game, we’re suppose to get together and collaborate some big corruption-reversal spell we haven’t figured out yet? Would it even be corruption-reversal given our candles make darkness go away and release light, not fix it

[compact shale]

well

more like corruption pulverizing

in case you're wondering, high-candle does NOT prevent krilling

ducksouppastry did an experiment on that

[hushed steeple]

Curing krill sounds like a big deal season event

[compact shale]

Maybe there'll be something in Abyss about that

(the cost is that you die and you may not be reborn because Abyss isn't PNR)

[frigid tinsel]

Heh, just drag the skid corpse out of the water, drain ‘em, and stick a winged light in them and they’ll be fine.

[violet sable]

Thanks for the knowledge

[frigid tinsel]

Love your username btw

[violet sable]

My other big idea is a season for the elders, it takes place in valley on an offshoot of the citadel. It would be about learning new things from each elder like directing creatures, (isle) turning light into creatures, (prairie) forging weapons (forest), learning friendly duels without outright violence to train against some kind of fightable dark creature, (valley especially because valley is all about competition), shielding (wasteland) and I haven't come up with a vault elder skill the purpose is to give them more lore and a better place in the story.

[compact shale]

Vault elder's skill is to finally make us literate and allow us to read Sky language and read the memory lanterns

[violet sable]

This was actually one of my draft ideas

[static meteor]

vault could just be a lore dive, it doesn't have to be a practical use per se

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder shows us how to open the memory cubes and we go to town

[violet sable]

The elders feel out of place in sky, you watch a cutscene from them once and then they give you hair

[compact shale]

but we need to be literate to understand them

[static meteor]

TGC please make this happen i would die dor this

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine they had a larger role during the kingdom when they probably weren’t restricted to their liminal spaces. Shame we can’t figure out for sure

[violet sable]

It isn't done yet, which is why it needs more time for me to create concept art

[violet sable]

But they could make a lot of content based on that idea. It is one of the least tapped areas of potential. They originally wanted to have bossfights too, and this could be replaced by each elder having something new to teach you. The manta in season of abyss teaches you to dive!

[harsh pecan]

You should put this in that ideas channel

[compact shale]

Speaking of Update Manta

I tried asking Ash about it and it got WAFO'd. So I guess the next 2 quests will explain their existence.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s only 2 quests left but there’s 50 days left in the season?!

[compact shale]

Well that's why it takes 14 days between Quest 3 and Quest 4

And I feel that the routine assignments ended with Quest 3...

[violet sable]

It isn't ready yet

But I have been writing it for around 30 hours now. I have combed through about 2 months of the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived chat and cherrypicking other ideas and revamping them into things TGC can actually use. A lot of them are great ideas, but they have no selling points. Another important thing is a lot of the ones that have good ideas use 🥺 or if you don't add this then I will ... (insert threat here). The biggest one of those is the butterfly jar

[compact shale]

butterfly jetpack jar?

[violet sable]

Something like that

Its so sad too, because I think TGC would have put something in the game along those lines if people didn't always attach something destructive to it

Also, a huuuugge idea I've spent 5 hours on is the violin. Its too complex for TGC's design threshold, which is why I scoured the internet and found something called the hardanger fiddle.

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived message here is an example of an attachment

[harsh pecan]

Ohh oki

[formal skiff]

I just read through all of the documents in their entirety tysm

[rigid mural]

take them with a grain of salt tho, some claims are unsourced

[formal skiff]

Ofc ofc
I just really enjoy reading people’s theories :)
I can generally tell whether a theory is far-fetched or not.
All of the different interpretations are very fascinating to me! I never knew Sky’s lore could have so much depth!

[tawdry whale]

is it safe to assume that the sky planet has slightly lower gravity than earth?

[hollow acorn]

Was The reason for the storm in Eden that the Sky Kingdom attracted too much resources? Is Eden a darkstone mine? I want to know the lore theory of the cause of Eden contamination.

[serene cradle]

I'm sure this question has been answered before at some point, but other than children, what are we?

Are we just spirits of the dead essentially? Trying to free other trapped spirits?

[compact shale]

We're not sure about that. One theory is that we're fragments of the King split up to do the work of ascending the trapped Ancestors.

Edit: Oh, and Megabird created us. Most likely.

[serene cradle]

I had read a review about the game, and it was compared to something called Journey. I'm guessing similar play-style and graphics?

[compact shale]

Journey was also made by TGC

[serene cradle]

Also just theories? Do the devs plan on releasing more content that further explains our origin or have they ever talked about it?

[compact shale]

Hmmm... the devs say they're working on more lore stuff but they never reveal everything with words

[hollow acorn]

Still, can we get some hints about lore from sky YouTube developer QnA?

[compact shale]

I think there's a doc with important stuff about it, but idk where it is

edit: also which one

edit edit: if you mean the most recent one they said they're adding lore stuff but they didn't actually reveal any lore tidbits iirc

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if they say they'll reveal lore bits but the lawyer reviewing their NDAs didn't get back to them in time so they play it safe and don't reveal anything

[harsh pecan]

Yeah, I even dream about getting lore 😭

[compact shale]

what is the Mune dreamlore?

[harsh pecan]

We got another trailer (like the Nintendo one) but the spirits talk now

[compact shale]

OHHH IF ONLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[harsh pecan]

YEAHH 😭😭

[frigid tinsel]

i hope that wouldn't have the vibe of Jonesy talking in Fortnite season trailers

[compact shale]

huh?

[frigid tinsel]

nvm i'm weird about voices

[keen shore]

While we’re talking about dream lore. Once I dreamed that I clipped into a hidden section of the prairie temple and this image was framed on the wall. I still think about it sometimes and I’m not sure what it means??

[compact shale]

how did you manage to remember what the image was??

Well we've theorized that we're made of clay so it's probably a threat

[frigid tinsel]

r/thomastheplankengine is full of memes people recreated from their dreams. reminds me of that

[keen shore]

No, it was a meme I’d seen and it stuck in my brain because of how odd it was. (Definitely a threat)

[frigid tinsel]

if skykids are made of clay but the clay isn't hardened, theoretically skykids are malleable and could be reshaped in a pottery wheel.
hmmmm skykid pottery

[compact shale]

prairie elder threatens to reshape usssss

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder would make us into pots

[compact shale]

Sky: Pots of the Butter

[keen shore]

Wonder what would happen if we showed prairie elder the giant pot in starlight desert

[compact shale]

drunk butterflies

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie Elder prob made that pot themself. it was a pet project

[keen shore]

Wait if skykids are made out of clay and we have fire inside, do we count as our own kilns

[compact shale]

If we were ever to insert food into ourselves, it would be incenerated instantly

I wouldn't mind if Ash told us we could smell, that way we could somewhat appreciate food by burning it and appreciating its smell

[frigid tinsel]

skykids: cook your food and make the plates to eat them off of

[keen shore]

“No plates? Just take the clay from your body, reshape it into one, harden it, and boom, plate”

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[harsh pecan]

LMAO THAT CAKE THO

[keen shore]

This image has the opposite effect of the ancestor pride flag. For a day my life was perfect, then I saw this horrendous arrangement of pixels and all my problems returned with a hundred times the strength they had previously. Not only are my crops no longer flourishing, they have uprooted themselves from the ground and are attempting to do battle with me. My anxiety, which momentarily went away, is now back, and I’m pretty sure this image has singlehandedly given me a brand new and unique form of anxiety that no one else has experienced before. My life has been ruined all thanks to this cake /j

[rigid mural]

it's almost 6am but... headcanons

[frigid tinsel]

whenever i have dreams about Sky, it's almost always set in this realm made of mostly clouds. hued in the colors of magnificent sunsets or deep navy midnight or the pale powder blue of noon day. there are floating islands of various sizes spread throughout, usually covered in flowers. reminds me a lot of the Wind Paths. there's almost always a section with krill there and sometimes the weather gets unruly but there's a poignant feeling I can barely grasp but I can only describe as celestial.

[distant turtle]

That’s neat.

[keen shore]

This is generally how I imagine it; even with all the seasons added I’m still pretty sure prophecy came first. (However, that post you made ages ago about the glows around the season auras corresponding to timelines is bothering me, and now I desperately want to know what the actual reasoning behind the different colors is)

Assembly is really hard to place timeline wise, because the lore focuses entirely on the spirits themselves without outside influence. The only thing I can think of immediately is that the same style of bookshelves is present in each assembly hideout as there is on the abyss ship, and that combined with how the scouts are doing everything for themselves and not relying on any help from outside could suggest that season also takes place post storm. We aren’t given much if any timeline evidence, though.

[rigid mural]

yeah i didnt add the seasons from gratitude to rythm because they can be hard to pin down, and Dreams, Assembly and LP are more character-driven so you can't pin them down either. Though I think assembly could have happened at a time where the forest wasn't huge stop, so either early in history, or after the storm where the number of spirits got considerably reduced

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD IT WAS DREAMS. I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING ONE

Dreams I’m going to say takes place only a short time (maybe a century at most) pre storm just due to copious amounts of darkstone technology in the village and the fact the ruins didn’t degrade much and look very much like wasteland’s.

Also extra side note about your timeline, sanctuary does have chime technology (the bells). These could be used so the spirits there could see the native wildlife whenever they wanted or to summon them as rides to take them to the floating island areas they wouldn’t be able to access otherwise (as sanctuary has no functional darkstone boats)

[true grove]

What do you mean by flight facing the storm?
It wasn't corrupted like ark we released the darkness/pollution from wasteland in the process of making the tunnels less turbulent

[keen shore]

Yep! The storm would have been why wasteland is corrupted

[true grove]

It was a current event not in spirit's timeline 👀
In flight quests the spirits were helping us restore the wind paths and we accidentally caused corruption

[frigid tinsel]

could also be that the pollution in Wasteland spread darkness throughout the realms thanks to the wind path there, even before skykids showed up to reopen then. even more darkness from the storm could've reached from there since Wasteland is on the ground and weather movements tend to move downward, especially if it's cold (is darkness cold?).
the wind paths might've closed originally from disuse because it was full of darkness.

[true grove]

I have a theory for assembly being way past storm and the kids were a very recent generation of skykids. They were using darkstone from the gate switches which they can only extract if they weren't being used so it could've been after the storm.

[true grove]

But when were first go there it isn't corrupted since only light creatures can clean the darkness and there weren't any how did the darkness go away?
It could've been past sanctuary maybe because they knew how to build the wind vanes and sanctuary spirits also appear in the cutscene

oh okie it's past sanctuary in the timeline

[keen shore]

There’s a theory that the flight quests mirror what happened to the flight spirits over the course of their lives, so that’s why it got connected to the storm. The general idea is they experienced a similar event and now it needs to get repeated and solved for them to ascend.

Whether that theory is true or not, however, it’s pretty obvious that when we see the wind paths for the first time it is nowhere near the state it’s supposed to be. Everywhere is covered up by clouds, leaving them isolated. The question is, what could have caused that? Since we know light creatures help clear the clouds and that’s what the flight spirits used to clear the paths in the first place, the logical answer is that everything closed up because all those light creatures disappeared, and that was probably due to the storm.

Sorry if any of this doesn’t make sense, I’m tired and word phrasing is hard

[rigid mural]

But they are bells, not chimes !

[true grove]

Oh i just remembered sksk
The wind vanes in flight area are put on a stone instead of the small statue like in sanctuary so maybe the paths were found first then they found sanctuary then when sanctuary became popular the sanctuary wind vanes were made

[rigid mural]

Could echo a past event tho. If darkness spread through the wind paths today, perhaps it already did so in the past

[keen shore]

It’s the same basic technology (metal thing’s specific sound summons creatures) and chimes seem to almost be shaped like smaller versions of the bells, so I count them as the same or very similar group of technology

[rigid mural]

Sure, depending on which one predates the other, sanctuary could even have been established after the wind paths

[keen shore]

The chimes seem like a more efficient and smaller version of the bells, so I’m going to say they were just a more developed version of bells

[frigid tinsel]

yea, basically what Salem and Vela are saying. in the past, darkness spread into the Wind Paths from Wasteland, the light creatures there died out or fled, and the wind paths closed from disuse, which stopped the source of the darkness and allowed it to dissipate overtime. eventually the Wind Paths were clear enough for light creatures to return, carving out that initial path at the start of the season

[true grove]

Interesting
I was thinking like in the past seasons where spirits guide us and we help us restor the current ruins. That could've been possible too since birds are what keep the paths open.

[keen shore]

Keep in mind that if this is true, it means the wind paths were built after the structures in hidden forest, since hidden forests uses bells (which take up more space and materials and are generally less efficient) over the chime innovation that the wind paths use…

[frigid tinsel]

tbf i still don't get why the Wind Paths are clear now even with the Wasteland wind path still open

[rigid mural]

As we go through the game and bring light back to the realms, new season areas are revealed as the clouds part. It could be the same case for wind paths, making its original blue skies a result of a slow process.
Reopening the wastelands tunnel may have triggered a surge of darkness that may not be unlike what originally cast the area in the clouds...

[keen shore]

They probably put all the mantas to unpaid Darkness Clearing Duty, which is really sad - should’ve at least given them a minimum wage /j

[rigid mural]

Sky kids burn darkness plants for free, why hire mantas

[frigid tinsel]

darkness plants eat mantas, that job would have a high turnover rate

[true grove]

Isn't it normal for forest especially with the juicer

[keen shore]

Mantas are cuter, they’re already trained to do the job, they don’t want your pants as payment, and they don’t leave massive impact craters whenever they slam full speed into your house to begin their shift

[rigid mural]

They are known to abduct children tho.

[frigid tinsel]

why not use the mantas to snatch the child laborers skids to do their job

[keen shore]

There are an innumerable amount of skykids honking around to afford to lose, and the flight guide only has one pair of pants. The decision is obvious on which party is easier to pay

The idea of the flight spirits training mantas like dogs to clear the darkness present in the wind paths and giving them treats when they succeed is absolutely adorable though. I wonder if they taught them any other tricks

[rigid mural]

Pulling a boat around ! Thank you Talented Builder for the rides lmao

[keen shore]

TRUE, how could I forget… what if the flight spirits are the ones who taught mantas to abduct us

[frigid tinsel]

i can see light whisperer going "now this is how you abduct a child"

[keen shore]

Light whisperer is the one they practiced with

[frigid tinsel]

silly me for not seeing that possibility

[keen shore]

Another side note about the wind paths is that they definitely closed before the plot to season of enchantment, because otherwise the enchantment spirits would’ve been rescued. The only way this could not be true is if everyone on the ark was just extremely dramatic, which is a funny image

[compact shale]

Light Whisperer the Hostage Dummy

[half shadow]

Light Whisperer thought it was a lot of fun when the mantas yeeted them, now all mantas assume anything conveniently Light Whisperer-shaped enjoys it as well

[keen shore]

Imagine if they have a separate storage room just for manta treats… I wonder what manta treats would even be. I get the idea that they really like sweet fruits for some reason

Imagine manta fetch

[compact shale]

Awwwwww

we should give some to the mantas we just freed from the canisters!

[frigid tinsel]

mantas prob broke into whatever building was the treat storage by now and raided it completely

[compact shale]

[keen shore]

The birds stealing the chimes was just a distraction from the REAL heist

[harsh pecan]

Oh? Interesting 👀

[tulip aspen]

Chat is canon.

So are benches.

It all makes just enough sense, we sit down
It's the same icon as meditation
We're sitting down, and relaxing, and when people sit down nearby us, our minds can connect.
So it's a stretch, but benches could damn well be canon

Chat too
We give up those candles to multiply the affect our light has on each other, and it makes us close and bonded enough that we are permanently psychologically linked, it's ESP

[pastel brook]

I see you, @tulip aspen, you should probably sleep, brah

[tulip aspen]

i will feed you to the Abyss

Anyways, if I wake up tomorrow and it still makes just enough sense, then that's yet another connection to the Mindspace I can make

Meditation is just a beautifully and powerfully strong theme in this game and I adore it

[compact shale]

Oh! You're finally clocking in again! Welcome back!

[nimble ingot]

@tulip aspen Welcome back

[stark quarry]

Hello lore chat! Does anyone know what is this scary looking moff pic actually is?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[tulip aspen]

wh-

imagine it's just one of the staff doing their best to illustrate

[late wasp]

I'm not entirely sure. But ain't that their "fan art" wall?

[stark quarry]

OH ITS A FAN ART WALL? OH I JUST REALIZED THAT OH MY GOD 😭 😭 But still im questioning what the pic actually are

[main nest]

not helpful doodlebot 🤭

[late wasp]

there is probably some credit given at the end of the game. I can check later in the day (still haven't done my Eden run)

[tulip aspen]

ive missed my emojis so much

[late wasp]

there is no Season of Abyss quest today? whaaaat

[compact shale]

Pal... I feel that in 7 days... whatever assignment we get... won't be routine.

[late wasp]

[compact shale]

for all we know the Abyss guide could send us on a mission where they know we could die and they wouldn't care because we're just their pawns now

[late wasp]

eeeeh, i don't get that kind of feeling or sociopathic vibes from them.
it was more like we were the new intern that everybody grew to like, and we even became the main rival of the cannoneer.

[compact shale]

Hey, it's all speculation.

[formal skiff]

I just love the cannoneer laying out their resources like, “ha, and you thought you had lots.” They’re so smug. I kinda feel like whenever one of the other spirits accidentally dropped a resource the cannoneer stole it before they could get it back, and that’s how they got so many

[rigid mural]

Latest quest had Cannonneer go 👀💧 when the new arrival got close to their resource score lmao

[compact shale]

Yeah... don't you dare point that shooter at my eye...

[nova sedge]

wait there's no seasonal quest today?

[compact shale]

nope!

JUST BE LUCKY YOU GET TO HOLD ON TO YOUR LIFEFORCE FOR ANOTHER WEEK

[nova sedge]

..... IM. AFRAID???

[compact shale]

I AM TOO?!

[stark quarry]

You know if maybe we suggest sky to matpat (the game theorist) maybe he can solve the entire lore—

[compact shale]

or mess it up completely.

[stark quarry]

There 50/50 chance

[compact shale]

do we roll the dice/

Okay. Only problem is that there at least 5 attempts to bring up SCOtL on MatPat's subreddit.

None of them have worked.

[stark quarry]

Hmmmm maybe email him directly?

[compact shale]

uhhhhh...

[stark quarry]

Isn't he also have discord server

[compact shale]

oh good idea...

if I can manage to withstand it

Okay. I have gotten into the server. Have found 1 confirmed Sky theorist.

Oh. They left. Huh.

And they tried to bring up Sky but got flooded by FNAF.

[stark quarry]

You sound sarcastic but im not sure because im stupid

[compact shale]

I'm not being sarcastic.

[stark quarry]

Welp then im stupid

[compact shale]

it's ok. I didn't use tone indicators that time.

But yeah, Sky does not get noticed here.

[late wasp]

is this sarcasm? lol

[compact shale]

Well it's a dice I'm willing to roll

[faint hawk]

It would be fun to see his take on the lore tbh

[silk hinge]

sorry to bother you, but can you send the source please? thx!

[formal skiff]

What do each of the colors mean? (aka which locations are which?)

[hushed steeple]

Honestly the only problem I would have with that is that it would limit my own imagination and hinder my interpretation of the lore…
(I hate how self-centric that sounds)
But kinda like, the lore is left open to interpretation on purpose, so I kinda feel like it goes against that interest

[keen shore]

HELLO!!!!!!

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[late wasp]

From the bottom (Purple) in a clockwise sense is

1. Purple - Cave of Prophecy
2. Daylight Prairie
3. Hidden Forest
4. Valley of Triumph
5. Green - Forgotten Ark
6. Blue - Starlight Desert
7. Sanctuary

[nimble ingot]

What are you implying you digitised crayon?

[nimble ingot]

I hope to see the dark ancestor children in the game.
Even if they are a bit scary, they are like that for a good reason.

[turbid cliff]

,,Y'all. What if everything is left so extremely vague is bc we're supposed to learn along with the sky kids

[nimble ingot]

That may be the case, since the game does not outright give away its history.

While it is a shame there is no books or places to read along for the lore. Even the addition of ingame text in a fictional language can help players relate to their skykids since neither can read the language.

[late wasp]

Season of Flight interview - NetEase in 2021-10-13
https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211013/29298_978351.html

Ashley Coad is ours truly "Ash".

[late wasp]

it would be great! i wish i could play as something other than a skid tbh

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps that could be another game TGC could keep in mind in the future.
Something that is like an abridged edition of the game's lore.

Whether it is an ancestor, a spirit or even a skykid that underwent a trail that changed them in some way.

That or even a book, or film would be amazing to be honest.

[frigid tinsel]

Ayo, Jam’s back

[tulip aspen]

is the highlighting too much?
im worried it'll hurt people's eyes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[nimble ingot]

Its fine 👍

[formal skiff]

I would make it a bit less vibrant/contrasting. Maybe more neutral and pastel versions of the colors.

[tulip aspen]

hm olay thanku!
ill definitely experiment with that later

[frigid tinsel]

If you’re highlighting the majority of the text, there’s no point in highlighting at all

[rigid iron]

It's okay

[formal skiff]

You could definitely be a bit more picky with what you’re highlighting to only be getting the key concepts /lh

[rustic heron]

The person, the myth, the legend. Glad to have you back.

[keen shore]

Maybe do pastel versions of the colors where each highlighted section corresponds to a different topic. Like if you do a tangent it’s a different color?? I usually organize images so I’m trying to figure this out

[rustic heron]

@tulip aspen So, I wanted to run this by you, because I’m not so well versed in the projection or mindscape theories that I can answer it myself.

In several meditation visions, namely trials and vault, we encounter children of light. When we gather them, they contribute to our overall light amount, and consequently the number of wings we have.

Theoretically, I could save one of these children of light as the last one before getting the next wedge. I could then ascend and get the wedge inside the vision.

When I exit the vision, I will still have the wedge, but if it was an illusion the wedge should not exist.

We know children of light are tangible, so a winged light should not have any effect on us in a vision.

[tulip aspen]

@formal skiff yea haha i most highlighted so that un-highlighted areas can be skimmed over easily, but yea ig it looks ugly then lol

i could technically add dozens more words to each area and then the highlights would make sense: im already cutting down and simplifying what im saying the best i can so realizing that even that is still too much is funny lol

i wonder how to approach it then hm

[keen shore]

Also I scrolled up a bit, and I think that if matpat tried to cover sky lore I would feel (negative) emotions not currently describable in any human language. Maybe it would actually help but at what cost /hj

[formal skiff]

Yeah, I think maybe the most important evidence and the key points of the theories would be best to highlight if you’re going to highlight. For example you could likely unhighlight “it’s basically a major theme of the vault”

[rustic heron]

Matpat negative emotional aura is inherent to sky lore.

[keen shore]

Projecting myself into matpats dreams to subconsciously convince him that the gender currency lore is real and to cover the evidence for it in a video

[rustic heron]

Matpat exposes Belonging Family’s extortion of the Ancestor populace via gender currency exchange.

[tulip aspen]

there's the obvious "oh well it's just gameplay" but thats no fun

plus, this logic also applies to the vault if the projection theory is wrong!
so we'll need to bunker down on as much anecdotal logic as we can lolol

there's two problems we need to address here because we gain these things physically in the physical world

1. candle wax
2. winged light (imprints of CotL)

this question has been asked before but ive never really addressed it, so ill counter the question with yet another:
How physical is candle wax and winged light?
Winged Light are soul fragments
Candle wax seems to be some kind of energy we can transfer to each other

So if the trials truly are a mindscape, can soul fragments and magical energy exist in that dimension beyond, and be graspable as we traverse that non-physical dimension?

ill leave it at that rhetoric
thanks for the great question, even more to add to the already bloated mindscape doc @_@

[tulip aspen]

the funny thing is thats the primary evidence for the projection theory LMAO

the work i do is aaaaalll anecdotal, and i only become confident that it sounds logical with the help of people like salem

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rustic heron]

I can speak for candle wax, as there doesn’t seem to be any form of economy between sky kids, and spirits don’t have a use for money since they’re dead.

However, Winged Light has a real physical consequence: it lets us fly more.

There’s a slippery slope of we allow winged light to be intangible: if that’s the case, why don’t sky kids just meditate and gather ridiculous amounts of winged light in mindscapes? We’d be able to fly forever, thereby removing the need to go to Eden at all, and fly straight to orbit.

[keen shore]

I’m thinking over the vision winged light question right now. I mean, jam is right, they don’t necessarily have to be physical…

Now that I think about it the scene where you hug yourself right after you die and which allows you to ascend to orbit basically proves that you can get recharged with light via visions. & you also recharge the elders in their mindscapes which prove that it isn’t just a special power of yours that allows illusionary light to affect you, it does that in general. If your and the elders’ flames can be recharged in mindspaces, there’s nothing saying you can’t collect more winged light as well

[tulip aspen]

both great points!

[formal skiff]

LOL i'm excellent at giving examples and i have soooo much lore experience

[keen shore]

Also I can’t remember completely if this is the case as I haven’t paid much attention to this before, but when you fly up to orbit you don’t lose wedges when you flap, right?

[frigid tinsel]

"wax" is just a community term. while it does fill our candle meter, I think it's more that wax is just light skids collect and store. so it's still a tangible object, at least for light-manipulating skykids, but it's not wax.

[tulip aspen]

theoretically lapis, theres an indefinite amount of wl EVERYwhere randomly scattered and thrown throughout the kingdom

however, that's in a canonical sense, and where exactly we find wl in the physical world is already kinda waaay moreso for gameplay and less just canonical (imagine if we could collect RNG spawning wl and grind all of that )

i dont care for WHY the wl in the trials exist, but i needed to answer your question because it was important to figure out if soul fragments can exist on another plane, so that we can understand if the vault being a mindspace truly is possible

[tulip aspen]

feel free to share, we'd love to hear it

[formal skiff]

oh that was irony since i'm very much a lore moff

[fickle wing]

shoutout to this concept tsadi literally Dorito shaped

[keen shore]

There’s got to be a quantity limiting how much winged light you can gather in visions. My first guess is that it has to come from outside. After all, when we bring light to the elders, it has to come from outside (us entering the mindspace) and although most of them, especially vault elder, are probably great at meditating and could do what you said without a limit, that doesn’t really help them.

Maybe in the real, non illusionary version of vault, there are actual winged light that remain in the same general area as they do in the illusion. You don’t get to collect these winged light more than once unless you get reborn or a krill, crab, or other assorted piece of darkness steals them from you; meaning they work the exact same way as normal winged lights. Since the entirety of vault is some sort of illusion but you can still sense the winged light is there, it’s kind of like when you sense something in the real world while you’re dreaming — your mind makes sense of it and fits it into what you’re currently experiencing.

This doesn’t fully explain where the trial winged lights are located in the real world, but like I said it’s my first idea, so not perfect and refined

[tulip aspen]

another reason the highlighting is so wild is because specifically only for the projection vs mindspace portions, the blue represents projection arguments and the green represents mindspace arguments

[frigid tinsel]

to skids (and the other light-manipulating entities in Sky) light is more tangible that we humans consider it to be. light is malleable, able to be as fluid or as solid as the user wants it to be, but there is certainly a base degree of tangibility to light because the users are composed of light thus able to interact with it that way. this would also vary depending on the type of light and the kind of magic imbued in light.

however because of the fluidity of light, a light-based economy would have to operate with divisions in order to calculate how much light is necessary to produce and trade things, like cosmetics and cape power, so what I'm calling neutral light is the "wax" we collect and divide into as candles to keep track of how much light we have while winged light composes of skids' cape power

[rustic heron]

It’s not so much why, but the fact that if winged light is a idea, something intangible that exists within mindscapes, then there is no point to winged light existing at all.

You can simply concentrate hard enough to become inundated with light. There’s no growth outside of willing yourself to be able to fly farther, defeating and impact of the narrative.

That’s actually consequential because we see ancestors do the same thing: levitating meditation and psychokinesis.

Hell, it could all be a vision at that point. Maybe we just landed at home space and started meditating. Maybe the entirety of Sky world is just sand save for a single isle of home space.

[tulip aspen]

yeah, theres SLIGHTly less highlighting outside of the projection vs mindspace thing lmao

also salem i thought of some new points to bring up for why the elder's visions have to be actually visions on another plane of existence

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps these aren't necessarily mindscapes nor illusions but rather another plane of existence that intersects with the Sky world that, by meditating, we traverse to and interact with. therefore the things within those spaces are real on that plane of existence thus tangible and transferable to the Sky world plane of existence.

[fickle wing]

thinking abt how. One vers of samekh had those funky shield symbols from wasteland on em
and the fact that they both seem 2 have cracked masks w missing the spike on the mask

[keen shore]

There’s also another explanation for this, and that’s that it’s so hard to manifest more winged light that it doesn’t become worth it, and it becomes harder each time you attempt. You could argue that this is part of what the trials do: they force you to focus your light while completing them so much that you manifest a winged light at the end, which becomes your proof of completion

[frigid tinsel]

how are you getting such high-quality images? tell me your secrets

[fickle wing]

the whole double thing that goes on in valley too w the buildings n how a lot of times one side of those buildimgs are. Broken
which is the same side is

[tulip aspen]

hmm
i dont think it has to be that harsh

after all, you could argue spirits are intangible, as well as the elders, as well the many things in vault

spirits physically impact your skykid when you give them enough wax energy that they can offer you new forms to take

is that intangible?
does it not matter?

[fickle wing]

if you go to the top of the vault at exactly 4 am on a sunday night and wait 0.3 seconds a secret manta will appear and deliver hd pics to you via carrier pigeon

[tulip aspen]

actually yeah that's what the mindscape seems to be for me; a connection to the Light that all souls of Light share and can be connected by
(2nd image is an old take ill fix later)

[keen shore]

Ohhh this is a good observation, they have really similar color palettes and the same general emptiness. They are a bit different which is why I didn’t connect them at first (orbit hug is solid black with no other environmental changes while elder cutscenes include small details such as the sky, buildings, and so on, & you can control your movements in the orbit hug) but in general they have similar concepts. You enter a mostly blank area with someone you have to restore light to, and then are able to move on to the next level…

…I wonder what the reasons for the differences are. Maybe the fact that we can control ourselves in the orbit hug scene instead of it being played the exact same way each time is because the person we’re hugging is also us, and the fact that it’s blank is because we just died like 10 seconds earlier and haven’t had much time to reconstruct it yet

[tulip aspen]

your skid controls their movements in the elder scenes too lol, it's just a cutscene

[rustic heron]

Sky really likes to smudge the boundary of reality vs other reality. Spirituality has direct physical consequence, spirits exist and interact with us, and meditation can lead to the development of super mundane abilities.

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors are weak
i'm still cackling, my sides hurts.
i took more from this but this is taking me out

[keen shore]

What I mean is that you the player can control where you walk in the orbit hug but the elder ones play the same each time, not really sure if this is just a gameplay difference or an important one

Ancestors sacrifice mental buffness (constructing mindspace) for physical buffness (lift heavy object)

[rigid mural]

Stealing that

[tulip aspen]

hmm idk

in a way you could also say the skid is just too paralyzed by shock to move; the elders sure are scary and in all of the elder scenes your skid kinda just goes UH HERES UR DELIVERY PLS DONT HURT ME

[tulip aspen]

WHOA
YOOOOO
IF THOSE ARE REALLY THE SYMBOLS THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING

[rustic heron]

Maybe it’s more that Sky is inherently an extension of an inherently spiritual universe. Everything is a mindscape, and we’re under the delusion that the one we’re in is the physical one. When we meditate, we aren’t going into another dimension, but exploring another facet of the larger encompassing existence we’re already in.

[rigid mural]

Your skykid bonks the light offering in the valley cutscene, they are playing :]

[rustic heron]

I’d take it with a grain of salt. That might be an old concept that was thrown out later on in development.

[tulip aspen]

hmm, someones gotta go to the wonder twins and double check via a million screenshots

[frigid tinsel]

would help if we weren't a foot deep in the ground during their cutscene

[rustic heron]

It would explain how a civil war could start. Ideological differences once settled via sporting events became to conflicting, resulting in civil war.

[formal skiff]

this is very off topic but the other day someone was saying the tearful light miner and another spirit were the saddest spirit memories - which is the other spirit? i forget

[frigid tinsel]

"fainting" warrior in wasteland

[formal skiff]

ok, ty :)))

[tulip aspen]

prolly saluting captain, he stays with the ship as to die as he watches his crew get away

also his crew didn't even make it, you can see their crashed rowboat just a little ways off

[frigid tinsel]

see: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

WAIT THE CONCEPT STUFF WITH DARKSTONE BEING SPIKY AND LIGHT BEING SMOOTH

kakashi twin spiky
dora twin smooth

I dub this the smooth elder theory

[tulip aspen]

that name gives me life

[rigid mural]

Give me 5 minutes

[keen shore]

That might still be a principle given the only exception is although if that’s the case, then why is the symbol for our light STILL spiky

[frigid tinsel]

to add to this, Wasteland Elder's hair and mask(s) are spiky

[fickle wing]

iirc their mask is a whale
the hair tho always reminds me of a krill like

[rigid mural]

I don't think wastelands being spiky is too relevant to Valley's parallels, but noted

Could it be the war was these two battling against eachother ?
The wastelands song you hear in the first area is called "two heroes" after all (but why heroes)

[compact shale]

IM JUST MEGABIRD'S POOR DOORDASH DELIVERY CHILD SO SPARE ME YOUR WRATH

[compact shale]

Smooth-brained Mekh /hj

[nimble ingot]

Isnt blue on the right and red on the left?
If so, then the red would be with the citadel, the high class. And then blue would be for the dream village, the low class.

[nimble ingot]

Nevermind, I was wrong.

[rigid mural]

Red's on the right when you enter the colosseum; it's form there that you can reach the Village of Dreams.

[nimble ingot]

Understood, I was wrong.
So, red is on the right and blue is on the left.

Though the red tent in the coliseum leads to the dream village.
I am sure there would be probably for convenience since it is in the direction of the village, though coming from the village to the coliseum have the boats go under the bridge, which takes you to the left side (blue), although you end up on the right side (red) regardless.

The ice rink area has a similar theme, with the left leading to the citadel, and the right side leading to the sliding race. Although there are no flags to indicate the colours in the citadel or dream village (that I can recall), the start of the races do have flags.

For the flying race, the flags beside the right gate are blue, and the ones on the left are red. Which is confusing but the thing about the sliding race is both sides have blue flags while just outside of the starting room, the flags are red on both sides.

Vela is correct to say the red is for the sliding race (lower class) and blue is for the flying race (upper class).
Although it is confusing to see the racing rooms being inconsistent to the red is left and blue is right theme.

[hushed steeple]

spoiler: all the elder spirits are trans and one of them dates crabs

[formal skiff]

I support this theory

[frigid tinsel]

yea that tracks.

[tulip aspen]

ngl its starting to look like im hyping up the Light and the mindspace to be some kind of gravemind type beat

oh crap the dev stream is happening!!!!
wait is it i just got a notif now i cant find it lol

[hushed steeple]

Great go find out the spirits favorite ice cream flavor

Heyaa!

So, I know it's absolutely foolish and random, but what bird are the days of love message boats supposed to be?

[compact shale]

guys the livesstream is on

ask the question!

@hushed steeple origami crane, it's based on Japanese origami

[lyric isle]

TGC livestream is on

would anyone be willing to ask about the breathing

[hushed steeple]

Called them swans >.<
Oh well...
Thank you

[compact shale]

OKAY I TRIED

I CANT HEAR THE STREAM DUE TO BEING IN A MEETING BUT CAN ANYONE HEAR THE ANSWER

GUYS

[stable veldt]

Oooo welcome back Jam! I've talked about vault again sometime while you're gone from here, just in case you'd need to revisit the convo:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

mmmm no one noticed

does anyone else want to try?

[tulip aspen]

oh my gosh you're amazing thank you

speaking of yall, the mindspace/vault doc is finally finished (still gotta workshop the highlighting lol)
hopefully just enough moths will skim it and learn something that it will have ended up being worth it...

i really hope i can end up making all of my other docs this buff

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

FRUITY YOU SAID NOTHING HAPPENED WHILE I WAS GONE SKNDMF FKBDKBEL

[compact shale]

THAT WAS LAST FRICKING YEAR

[tulip aspen]

ive actually headcanoned (no real evidence) that the tunnels in floor 1 are the real secret forbidden archives

a separated thought I've had was that the vault as a structure inside the mountain is a million times larger than we see and that there are hidden tunnels everywhere throughout all floors, hidden behind the illusion (projection or dream)

[stable veldt]

Either behind dream or we're just skimming the huge entrance

[tulip aspen]

....OH

[compact shale]

Vol and I tried asking some questions

according to Vol it didn't work

[tulip aspen]

my god, gender currency is the new lore egg now huh

just think, winter this year most of you will be gone and me and the surviving lorefolk will say "haha gender currency" and the loremoffs won't get the joke

i need chesca to add it to the iceberg

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately chesca fell off a cliff

[lyric isle]

ok asking lore questions didn’t work; they got overrun

[formal skiff]

Don’t worry! The current loremoff generation shall grow up and champion the Gender Currency lore!

I will never let Gender Currency be forgotten

[willow prawn]

I'm not a loremoff (I guess) but I think I missed the chapter of gender currency

[hushed steeple]

:/

[tulip aspen]

it was pretty subtle ngl

[heavy comet]

do skykids have noses 🧍🏽‍♀️

[tulip aspen]

I prefer to say no, but it's a deeper controversy then that because there are still plenty of people that understandably believe they could very well have noses and mouths and that the only reason it would never show that is due to graphical limitations

[tidal valve]

Sorry to cut in but I made a discovery, the style of the buildings in the abyss area and end of eden are very similar, meaning, that when the abyss was first contructed it might’ve been the same age as when the buildings in eden were created

I don’t have many screenshots of the underwater building in abyss but the structure is quite similar

[tulip aspen]

that's a very good point!!!
after all, scholars did come down here to this archipelago in order to do whatever they're doing here

so I think the ones who constructed this facility definitely were Eden's faction

[compact shale]

They do have nose-like protrusions, but said nose-like protrusions do not have the orifices needed to function.
(not my photo)

[formal skiff]

Oooh

[tidal valve]

I don’t really have anything to add on.. I just went oobing and though huh this looks familiar... but why?

My theory would be

1: made during the same era/ delvopmemt in time

2: might be related to the higher priests/ why heir involvent is in abyss

[heavy comet]

i’d like to get into sky lore,,, can anyone teach me the basics?..

[tulip aspen]

"A mass of Light sits in space, a collective conscious

Ancestors came from the Light, either sent or fell by accident, falling as pure Light energy, then gaining hard shells upon landing.

These ancestors began building a kingdom, but due to the religious subtexts of worship and meditation, it's theorized that they were supposed to reconnect mentally to that Light in space, in order to ascend back up to it. (that theory may be incorrect and they might've had no real way to return)

Powerful deities; Elders, were sent by the Light to help them ascend, tasked to help the ancestors grow both spiritually and keep their kingdom thriving, but even then the ancestors still couldnt ascend..

The prophets had a vision and saw a being defeating a group of trials, and being given great power to lead them all to salvation.
Ancestors tried the trials but failed, until a special child ancestor that fell from the sky a long time later, defeated them and was crowned prince/king.
The prince MAY have singlehandedly discovered/developed darkstone and crystal technology, but that tech might've been before the prince.

There seemed to be resentment in the kingdom with one side preferring spiritual traditions, and the other preferring technology.
Civil war breaks out.

The giant diamond in eden was created/harvested for an unknown purpose, but recently i've been led to believe it was intended to send all ancestors straight back up into space without a complicated ascension process.
(Made before or during the war???)

The crystals created some sort of corruption pollution, and the giant diamond ruptured.
We dont know much about the apocalypse that followed, and there's even theories that there were multiple apocalypses all at once.
After the dust settled, likely decades later, all of the ancestors were dead.

A loooong time after that, the mass of Light sent angels to retrieve the souls of the ancestors, and that's us! Our job isnt done until every spirit hidden in new areas is found."

[tidal valve]

There are a few google docs! I don’t know the links for them but that’s where I started! But if you have any questions in general while discussing lore don’t be afraid to ask! Somebody will gladly explain <33

[tulip aspen]

thinking about how annoying it'll be to eventually write about the two possible intentions of the Light la sigh

[harsh pecan]

This is pretty interesting

[frigid tinsel]

a lore vent channel is a mood

[formal skiff]

Honestly yeah lol

[spark vessel]

Hey everyone. “Loremoff” here! I’d like to know if any of you know where I can find out more about the sky lore? I’ve been playing for over a year and I’ve only found on YouTube creators’ own stories but not actually lore material. Thanks Loregang!

[formal skiff]

I think there’s a doc of official lore, lemme pull it up

Ok found the list of docs, I found these quite useful speaking as a fellow loremoff

Lore Moff Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[formal skiff]

Hope that helps!

[harsh pecan]

Aside from reading docs, you can also ask questions about the lore

[formal skiff]

Everyone here is super nice and has answered all my questions so far very well

[spark vessel]

Ohhh thank you!! I’ll give it a read and definitely come back with questions. Although one just popped in my head. I don’t know if some of you have played “Journey” (it is really beautiful) and I couldn’t help but compare it to Sky, not in aesthetics or so, but the story and the dynamics with the realms and such. Is there any sky lore that is related to that game?

[spark vessel]

THANK YOU

[harsh pecan]

As far as we know, probably not. I think they’re just similar because they’re both made by TGC

[compact shale]

Sky and Journey were both created by TGC. I heard there used to be Journey stuff in Sky, but they were removed and it would be very hard to add back because TGC doesn't own Journey's copyright.

Some speculate that Peeking Postman's cape is a nod to Journey.

[spark vessel]

Ohhh that’s lovely! It would be kind of cool to see more relation with it. Thank you!!

[unborn gyro]

Small theory: darkness will grow out of the spirits’s injures
||I thought that because you can see darkness come out of a injured(?) spirit in the Tearful Miner spirit memories btw ||

[stable veldt]

is there a fat chance darkness came out from injuries (specifically from the miner) because their trade? They mine darkstones, so prolonged exposure really affects them

[celest spoke]

Like the “trapped” dark plant mantas? They were wounded too?

[unborn gyro]

I don’t really understand your points ||(excuse my bad English || but I think it should be like that

[frigid tinsel]

Probable that darkness flakes, like the stuff that sheds off krill and sticks to aggressive crabs, infected ancestors through their injuries and fed off them, growing into plants.

Or darkness plants can actively grab living creatures to consume their light, hence the trapped mantas.

[stable veldt]

yeah

[celest spoke]

Could the darkness plants have been experimentally created as a sort of “living darkstone”? I’m thinking about RL plants that uptake heavy metals from the soil for easier removal; maybe they thought the plants could be gathered and harvested?

[tulip aspen]

that all sounds so scary

[compact shale]

Yep

Now you know why Sky has its own breed of hanahaki angst

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message For anyone that doesn’t know. Origin of gender currency lore

[frigid tinsel]

Granny inventing gender >>>>> collapse of the Sky kingdom

[rigid mural]

Eden explosion was an attempt to stop granny

[keen shore]

Late but fun fact about darkness plants!! The blue glow from within them is the same color spirits glow :-)

[heavy comet]

are the seasons also included in lore?

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[compact shale]

For the most part. Except for maybe Sanctuary's cosmetics.

[keen shore]

Yep! We’ve been trying to figure out where each one fits in the timeline recently. A few, like are very important to the lore

[tulip aspen]

yep, darkness plants seem to form and capture Light inside them!

[white dagger]

ah yes, gender

just here to pop in for a bit and this is v off topic but ive always been curious about the sanct. islands i love hanging out there however i'm always more and more confused by it the more i explore
i mean
it had the S.o.F. marker thingiemabob well b4 flight came in, seems very Season of Flighty in nature, and the big ol darkness plant in the middle i get the feeling that there's a darkness trying to get it from the inside, making the "get away from the business" motto thing when you fly in deceptive! i mean no other place has dark crabs in prairie, i dont think
this could just be me tho!
anyways im just poppin in hehe seeya soon probably in a minute

[maiden fog]

Im curious about something. In the prophecy cave, we have 6 realms represented. Prarie got the earth, forest got water, valley got air, wasteland got fire and vault got to go up the mountain with the golden dude. Yet these "stars" were all found in isle of dawn, the golden dude started out in the isle of dawn and based on the "come" emote it seems us sky kids also started out in dawn. Were we what the cave of prophecy was predicting???

[white dagger]

mayhaps! i think it was predicting the first skykid, though that also implies that skykids were in Sky pre-cataclysm
i have a little itty bitty theory that it could be the Prince, though thats just for my own personal enjoyment

[maiden fog]

We were pre cataclysm i think.

[white dagger]

yeyeyye!
though, in concept art the Prince is skykid sized, i think
Either skykid sized or teenager spirit sized

[harsh pecan]

A lot of people also think it’s the Prince

[white dagger]

tis just a silly little thing of ours
probably not true but oh well!! i will stick to my "prince was first skykid" until the day i die

[tulip aspen]

yee skykid sized

[maiden fog]

The head gear for the guy is blue is even shown.

Im just think maybe the 5 spirts were all there when the first sky kid appeared and they sent him/her to the cave knowing yhe prophecy and suspecting they will fullfill it.

[tulip aspen]

so because of that second to last pic, we've assumed before that the child the stargazer (usher/come emote) and voyager (priest with head thing) finds in stargazer's memory, we've believed that the golden child is likely the child the stargazer found, since it's a part of the prophecy (murals) that the voyager and stargazer found the child

[frigid tinsel]

that's at least a proto-skykid and that's the only skykid who ever shows up in ancestor memories.

[tulip aspen]

yea its not really a skykid cos it doesnt have wings, so I'd believe it's just an ancestor child

[frigid tinsel]

they don't have wings cos winged light didn't exist back then

[tulip aspen]

that too, but skykids kinda exist to take flight, so i dont think that was the purpose of lil goldie boy here

idk if every childlike being is inherently a skykid, is what im saying i suppose

[frigid tinsel]

well "proto-skykid" cos it's possible Megabird adjusted the model between this skid's landing and the rest of the descendants.
also we know what ancestor children look like. skykids are much smaller than them.

[tulip aspen]

hmm, are you referring to the scouts? they're moreso teens imo, but maybe!

[maiden fog]

I think the propecy may be saying that his role was to do the trials and climb eden in order to gain flight or whatever. In the end on top of the mountain is depicts an image very similar to when we level up.

[tulip aspen]

that is true that it looks kinda similar to us gaining a wedge!

[frigid tinsel]

there's also Hide n' Seek Pioneer. doubt teens would be playing hide and seek. skids are much shorter than them.

[hushed steeple]

yawn ahhh, finally at long last. I hath woken from my thousand year long nap.

[tulip aspen]

yea after the change i saw her as a teen still tbh lol

also another teen, the flower person from belonging, is shown prancing giddily thru the fields lol
i dont think that's fair to underestimate teens /hj

[maiden fog]

Sorry here is a cropped version

[hushed steeple]

Skids are also shorter than boogie kid and also confetti cousin I believe.

[tulip aspen]

yes, confetti cousin!
theyre def a young teen, and look at how rampant they are lmao

[hushed steeple]

Hair-tousel teen.......
I'd use the teen as comparison.
Also boogie kid has kid in the name.

[maiden fog]

Who is boogie kid???

[tulip aspen]

ohhh true true thanks!
how tall is hair tousle teen?

[frigid tinsel]

spirit from Season of Belonging

[hushed steeple]

Closer to the size of an adult I do believe. He might be just a tad bit shorter though.

[tulip aspen]

oh okay!

[maiden fog]

What about the ice dancer, they looked to be a similar age.

[frigid tinsel]

i would go 'round and check but cr 😔

[hushed steeple]

I can't wait for the update to the sanctuary waters, I wonder what new lore might await us there.....
OR NEW SPECIMEN!!!!

[maiden fog]

Its pretty cool

[tulip aspen]

fascinating, so boogie kid definitely is the youngest ancestor in game

so i take it you see the child in the cinematic trailer as a skykid alasdair?

boogie kid do be short
does tallest skid size pass them???

[hushed steeple]

Tallest skid size is just a teensy bit shorter, I Checked the last time he was here.
Somebody save me from this horrible auto correct

[tulip aspen]

aaaa thanks for helping out

also yeah cousin def looks like a teen to me
now that i see them side by side they're the same height as boogiekid

[hushed steeple]

I want to see the two adults from the switch trailer.
It might bring up some lore.

[frigid tinsel]

either an ancestor child or the proto-skykid in question, though I'm leaning ancestor child.

[tulip aspen]

oh wow okay
and yeah, i think it's the same character from stargazer as well!!

imagine we someday see the spirit from the cinematic in a season @_@

[frigid tinsel]

alright i'm rewatching the Switch trailer while cr, wish me luck

interesting to note that the events in the Switch trailer take place

[hushed steeple]

No, its too close to valentines day so I'm saving and hogging all the luck I can to myself.
I'd probably give some, though, if valentines day was canceled this year. Too many people trying to throw pity my way because my DNA said no love and my brain agreed, and thus I willingly do not have a partner.

[frigid tinsel]

so the ancestors were present in the Sky world before the stars fell

[hushed steeple]

Yes........... Im so sorry if I seem rude but...
....was this knowledge.....not that common?

[frigid tinsel]

aroace mood

[tulip aspen]

yes lol cos this was either after they changed the wording, or that the 'stars falling' always only referred to the apocalypse somehow

[frigid tinsel]

the great Sky intro debacle of 2021 says otherwise

[hushed steeple]

🍞 🥖 🥐

[tulip aspen]

"hey look ma i can see our house from here!"

[hushed steeple]

I'd ask in-depth questions about this debacle, but I feel as though it was probably a blood bath.......
But please help me understand that quote.

[frigid tinsel]

I'll let Jam do the talking

[tulip aspen]

it really wasnt, it was just me going into crippling insanity, harassing ash, and everyone watching with popcorn

[hushed steeple]

[frigid tinsel]

so TGC changed the wording of the Sky intro. first, the ancestors and Elders were implied to have landed in the Sky world after the stars fell, but with the new intro mid-2021, it was implied the stars fell after the ancestors and Elders were already present. also the ancestors were spirits by then, which is??????

[tulip aspen]

and then i had the nerve to confront ash over it, and ash told us that the wording may have changed, but the story never did

[hushed steeple]

The stars falling thing was probably meant to explain why so many sky kids/players are already here.

[tulip aspen]

personally I believe all multiplayers Canon and that launch is when the first sky kids started to fall

[frigid tinsel]

2019 intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY

[hushed steeple]

Also, we see petrified sky kids in eden, so that could mean there was a batch of freshly baked skids before us.

[tulip aspen]

yep, which is why the idea that the first wave of players were the first wave of skykids is shaky

maybe the first wave of players is the first wave of skykids to start succeeding in their mission

[frigid tinsel]

no because it's implied darkness caused the stars to fall, but with the newer intro it's unclear whether the stars falling is literal or not. could the "stars falling" be talking about the decline of the Sky kingdom? cos that would line up with the corruption caused by darkstone technology.

in the old intro, the stars falling is linked with the ancestors and Elders arriving in the Sky world.

yes, skykids are fallen stars, but "a long time has passed" since the stars fell and everyone died, so the stars falling in the intro doesn't refer to them.

[maiden fog]

Found the trailer for Nintendo

Also apparently wasteland wss always sand. Sad. And was that sky creater what krill use to be or what???

[compact shale]

How do you know that's wasteland?

[maiden fog]

I dont have a image but that structure is in the last area of wasteland. I can get a pic but i need a few minutes.

[rustic heron]

All Sky kids die in Eden. It mirrors your inevitable failure in Journey.

Your sacrifice allows them to continue on. The point of the death-moment in both games symbolizes one of the key components of Sky; the blur between spirituality and physicality.

Rebirth represents a new opportunity, a chance to begin again. Both Eden and the mountain in Journey are impossible destinations; the key is not reaching them, but to realize that striving to get there is the goal.

Sky and Journey are a search for meaning, and they answer that search by saying that, only when the Journey ends can you find meaning. You have to go and take the Journey to find meaning in order to find meaning, because that Journey will be your purpose.

[hushed steeple]

Ok, after watching the video here is my interpretation of the old intro plus old isle murals, then we can see if that makes sense with what is currently present.

I think the intro cutscene was saying that the ancestors fell from stars, or at least descended from the sky in a magical way, and then darkness came and the stars fell is saying that they corrupted the land and maybe themselves and thus a batch of skids arrived (the first order) with the purpose of fixing this, this is also what the old isle murals seem to be depicting, sky kids falling down from the stars. If we assume that these very skids from the intro and murals are the ones in eden, we can then tell that things really didn't go too well. It would also explain why there's 63 statues.

[rustic heron]

It’s one of the reasons why I don’t pursue purely scientific dichotomies; the essence of the games is always lost in doing so, and they are doomed to not be able to be “complete” because of it.

[hushed steeple]

I take that place to be starlight desert, I'm not getting into that theory though.

[rustic heron]

It’s a fun diversion, but ultimately it cannot explain something that is built on the ephemeral, the mysterious and intangible.

On an entirely unrelated note, do you think Sky kids could concentrate their light in their chest and fire lasers? And if so, can they do it from their face masks too?

[compact shale]

Hmmm...

With the way we are bending light, we probably could if we were taught to.

edit: But it would be costly

[hushed steeple]

They can willingly take out winged light, I'm going to have to say possibly.......

[rustic heron]

Sky kids end the gender coin dictatorship by laser warfare. It is canon.

[hushed steeple]

NO MORE PRONOUNS!!!!!!!!

[maiden fog]

I would think that too but a) this structure is not found in the startlight desert. And b) isle use to look like this, so the only place left is wasteland.

[compact shale]

Are the objects we see in Starlight Desert real, though? For all we know, Starlight Desert actually looks very different and the fantastical TLP environment isn't its true appearance.

[hushed steeple]

You clearly haven't heard of my insane asylum theory yet.

[frigid tinsel]

that would be cool, ngl

[maiden fog]

Can I please hear it. I love theories.

[compact shale]

I think if we COULD fire lasers, it would cost a lot due to the sheer amount of light it takes. It might even cost a WL to use.

[hushed steeple]

To summarize it,
Starlight desert is a real place, but the structures aren't real and are created by the purple light from enchantment of which the power from said light here is in the purple flowers, also the spirits there are trapped and are insane because insane asylum.

[rustic heron]

Worth.

[maiden fog]

So long as we fight back thats okay with me

[hushed steeple]

Why is the flame in the middle of a winged light blue?
Any theories?

[rustic heron]

Broke theory: Skykids were the final@weapon created by The King, in his image. He imparted to them a piece of his own light, so that they too would be able to harness the light.

But we proved too powerful, raising the kingdom in laser fire and death. None survived, and the king was consumed by the very machine that he used to create the sky kids.

We are death, destroyer of gods.

[maiden fog]

Umm our spirit is blue??? So I guess the blue connects it to our spirit which helps us merge with the light and fly??? I don't know. I never thought about it before.

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, I remember when we did that, that was fun.

[frigid tinsel]

the chibis took everyone's kneecaps

[hushed steeple]

That might be right, spirits are blue after all.

[keen shore]

Few people know this, but the actual reason spirits don’t talk to us is because we’re automatically programmed to fire a laser upon hearing the word gender

[rustic heron]

The stories told by the survivors speak of the Hjonk, swan song of the Ancestors. It’s melodious doom could bring tears to children and leave even Elders little more than a shriveled whimpering pool of tears and fears.

[hushed steeple]

"It is a safety precaution, it is, our design"

||I hope you guys get this||

[keen shore]

I am struggling to figure out the current topic because I’m pretty sure there’s like 5 different ones simultaneously

[rustic heron]

Scores of moths would darken the skies, and little more than a prayer could be uttered before the veil of death fell to your throat, choking pleas for salvation.

[maiden fog]

Thats kinda how it works here, i just go with the flow. Grab some popcorn and join the fun!!

[hushed steeple]

LET ME ADD A SIXTH!!!

Why are we born with fashionable shorts? It could have been ugly pants, but its not.

[frigid tinsel]

no naked skids.
this is Sky, not Lord of the Flies

[rustic heron]

Hide and seek champion would like a word.

[compact shale]

killing the sky pigs

[hushed steeple]

Ew, why would that be your first thought.

[frigid tinsel]

cos a dev said so when asked that before

[rustic heron]

Haha, devs thought about naked skids.

[tulip aspen]

see but stars fell is such a heavy line

ive also taken the metaphorical route, that the ancestors, who originally fell as stars, fell to corruption, not to literal falling stars

unfortunately, our shared metaphorical take isn't very popular...

[hushed steeple]

Im talking about impeccable fashion choices, not that.

[tulip aspen]

i mean at least we're just made of clay anyways and aren't actual organisms

[frigid tinsel]

don't make this weird, Moon

[tulip aspen]

itll always be weird alasdair

[maiden fog]

You might be onto something. Stars can also be famous people. A fallen star could be someone who was praised or risen onto a pedasole and then screwed up so badly they were disgraced.

[rustic heron]

I take it as both. The Elders and the King, unified, represented a direct line to the Megabird and, consequently, unification among all Ancestors.

The Elder split divided the Ancestors, and each ideology alone was not enough to truly see the Megabird for what it truly represented.

When the Stars fell, the Light of the Megabird was fractured into warring clans, each blind to the truth.

[frigid tinsel]

Elders could be disgraced gods

[hushed steeple]

My jaw is dropped and I am in furious awe at the person at which you hath chosen to throw blame towards.

[tulip aspen]

honestly not the way i would go but perhaps

[rustic heron]

Vault Elder is the Rihanna of Sky World.

[maiden fog]

Exactly!!!! That what im thinking!!!

[keen shore]

The entire falling stars line is odd to me too because… stars don’t fall in general, although I just chalked it up to needing suspension of disbelief for a fantasy world. My closest guess as to an actual attempt to explain it is that the souls in Orbit just resemble stars, and the sky behind them is empty of actual stars like we would think of them minus the Sun we orbit. Considering Megabird is seemingly a light conglomerate god, “stars” would most likely work different in this universe anyways, so trying to explain it with our explanation of stars probably won’t get us nowhere.

I actually had a conversation with I think lapis about this a while ago, where I started wondering if our Sun was the Megabird. I don’t think this is true because I’m pretty sure its light extends to the entire universe, not just our solar system, which led to the idea of it being Megabird’s eye. (This conversation also introduced the concept of Megaball which lapis can explain better than me)

[tulip aspen]

salem bouta drop wisdom upon us

[maiden fog]

This would make alot more sense if the elders were discraged gods.

[tulip aspen]

stars falling is just the american way to talk about shooting stars; meteors

[rustic heron]

I remember that. I like to think there is no sun, and the Megabird is just that bright.

[hushed steeple]

||I don't actually know who that is.......please spare my animal children....... ||

[tulip aspen]

yep ive also considered that the sun we see is just the main portion of the megabird too

[rustic heron]

Not so much disgraced as vain. Each Elder believes they know the true path. So they fought, and that discord created division in the light. What splits up light?

Shadows, or darkness.

[keen shore]

My current perception of Megabird is that our sun which we orbit is their eye, and the rest of their body curls around and around itself in a spiral, creating a galaxy of stars that we’re at the center of

[rustic heron]

She sing. People like. She also bad b****. Very sassy and she makes it look good.

[hushed steeple]

Then the king came, they praised him, and all but isle followed his image, thus isle was banished. That's probably not as probable as all I'm going off of is a giant fallen chair in vault and the constant exclusion of isle.

[maiden fog]

Both? Also, sorry about the word (disgraced) i couldnt think of another one😅

[hushed steeple]

Gods that had their credit cards declined.

[maiden fog]

Isle is very excluded and his mask is the only one that was broken.

[hushed steeple]

THEY BEAT AN OLD PERSON!!!!!!!!

[keen shore]

If you’re talking about the table on the second floor, that ones weird to me because there’s only six chairs, leaving nowhere for a second valley twin &/or the king to sit. Here are my theories on how you can get around that.

• valley elders sit on each other’s shoulders (everyone else hates this but they refuse to stop)
• twins take turns sitting under the table and cackling evilly at random points during the conversation, at whichever times they think are funniest
• the reason the table is on the second instead of first floor is that it’s the perfect height for the king to enter their mechsuit and stare ominously into the room

[frigid tinsel]

my headcanon is that the king tried taking out Isle Elder but stopped last minute before exiling them.
Dawn raised Chosen One, so some sentiment may have remained in their corrupted, power-hungry mind

[rustic heron]

The King tried to do as he had always done: unite the people. He saw the Elders as a lost cause, and guided the Ancestors himself. He subjugated all the Elders save for Isle, who saw that domination had king corrupted the king.

So he got rid of Isle, and fell too far to be in the light any longer.

[hushed steeple]

My reply to all three is yes.....

[maiden fog]

Actually i think the twins are included. Thats what we are saying. The elder from the isle of dawn is excluded. He isnt on edens door but everyone else is.

[compact shale]

The twins are squeezed on the chair, it only takes 1 to adjust their sore legs for a full-on battle to the near death to start.

[rustic heron]

You fool. You have forgotten the truth. They take turns sitting in the chair and princess carrying the other.

When they’re both angry, they throw their twin at the offending party.

[frigid tinsel]

"sic 'em" yeet

[rustic heron]

You ever see a badger fight something? It’s like that, but 10x worse.

[compact shale]

Nearly all the elder meetings have a part where the Valley Twins fight very loudly.

So it's like

Prairie: I don't know about this darkstone operation...
Valley: OOF OUGHNWEREWNG UARUGHH AAAA GUEIRRUGHNBNHASTHGNSA

[tulip aspen]

uh

[hushed steeple]

No no no no NO
You're all wrong....
The valley twins always took someone else's seat, thus isle old person decided they had enough and threw their chair at the twins and left the sky communist government.

[keen shore]

The only reason the kingdom stayed together so long is because all the arguments were drowned out by the noise of the twins fighting over a chair.

[rustic heron]

The Valley Elders are the cats of the Elder council. They periodically get up, walk to someone’s cup, and slowly push it off the table.

Occasionally, they get scared at nothing and leap onto some Elder’s face, hissing and scratching until they leap off and sleep in a corner.

[hushed steeple]

The elders should have taken after hisui and made even bigger seats.

[tulip aspen]

:0
IVE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT YHAT TABLE HOLY CRAP THAT REALLY WAS FOR YHE ELDERS WASNT IT

ahem yes, it would be
vault
wasteland
valley
valley
forest
prairie

isle is banished and king is 80 meters tall, so there that settles it lol

still cool to think that that room on the second floor is a meeting room for the elders tho!!!!! aaaaaa

the knocked over chair may have some merit still hmm

maybe that was prairie not liking the corruption?

[frigid tinsel]

i too think it may have been an Elder meeting room but I do not see the Prairie and Wasteland Elders fitting into that room

[hushed steeple]

Valley Twins: our sky
Isle old person: Oh no, our twins, they're broken.

[rustic heron]

You guys ever wonder why Valley has two Elders? It’s because those pompous bourgeoisie were too good for just one Elder, so they commissioned for another. One of the twins was actually the Elder for the Sky equivalent of Barbados.

[frigid tinsel]

something something Golden Valley, now-Wasteland and Valley Elders ruled together but took different roles

[tulip aspen]

true hm
can anyone get a side by side pic of all the elders?

[keen shore]

I have been thinking about that table a lot lately because the chairs are really only big enough for the elders to sit in. There’s no way even ancestors could fit those chairs (Unless this is another issue of comically oversized tools for ancestors) and combined with the fact that vault elder is able to summon all the other elders in their cutscene, it’s pretty reasonable to assume their realm would have the elder meeting room.

We have also been obsessing over various diamond patterns, including the ones painted on the door of that room, for the last several days. My main guess is the four diamond pattern 💠 represents unity in some way

I still cannot stop thinking about vault elder being 1/3 prairie elders height

[rustic heron]

Four double diamonds = 8 diamonds = one for each Elder.

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder is smol Elder. I'm taller than them irl

[hushed steeple]

I've been to the all elders oob and if memory serves right, prairie and wasteland could actually fit.

[frigid tinsel]

the Elders all fitting into their meeting room

[keen shore]

Cries in still shorter than vault elder

[compact shale]

every meeting the valley elders have to call shotgun on the chair and whoever doesn't sit has to attend the meeting while being pulled around by a cosmic manta.

[hushed steeple]

Slowest race ever.

Theory:
"The King" is actually "The Nowhere King"

[tulip aspen]

hm
someone needs to go to vault elder oob, measure how many chibis stacked equals vault elder height, and then from there use the concept art of the elders to measure all the elders in chibi

then we can return to the meeting room and measure how big wasteland and prairie elder would be in there

.
speaking of, can someone please grab that art of all the canonical launch game elders standing side by side

[frigid tinsel]

yall know about the imperial and the metric systems, now get ready for the chibi system

[maiden fog]

Here is the elder of the isle of dawn. I never forgot this animation.It was so sad. But im happy we helped him feel better.

[hushed steeple]

The solo vault elder oob has them sitting, we need the group gathering to accurately measure.

[hushed steeple]

Don't forget the big pillow system, for the sole purpose of creb measurements.

[maiden fog]

I would go but i dont control the server merge soo I would be very lonley.

[tulip aspen]

he's so damn cool

[frigid tinsel]

ugh i just logged off, am i gonna have to hop back on to get a vid of their cutscene now?

[keen shore]

I love isle elder they literally have a boat mask

[maiden fog]

That would be easy. I would have done that but my device does not do the video function. I can only take photos.

[hushed steeple]

Im talking about the cutscene oob with them all in there, you can actually Chibi fall from the edges of the box as long as you have a prop.

[frigid tinsel]

there's a 50/50 chance my phone will kill me in my sleep tonight and this will be why

[maiden fog]

I have no clue how to do that. Can some show a video or something please.what box are you refering to???

[frigid tinsel]

iirc, thats the one that requires two players, hence why i've never been there

[keen shore]

Side note while we’re looking at isle elder, just going to point on the diamond on their forehead. Want to get everyone’s theories on why elders and some spirits have these before I post mine & lapis’s (we have the same one)

[maiden fog]

I have a dummy player since i prefer exploration and tend to be alone alot. So i made myself a friend that coulds help me with oobs. Im still alone but at least im not limited. Lol

[hushed steeple]

So, 50/50=1, which means since its 100% of 50 out of 100% of 50, and 1 is 100% of itself, its a 100% percent chance. We will never hear from you again then, goodbye forever, didn't know you that long.

[hushed steeple]

Its every where, diamonds are, on most masks even. The ancestors just really liked geometry. They even have lots of triangles.
In all seriousness this point probably has symbolism to them.

[maiden fog]

You know the song twinkle twinkle little star, comares stars to dimonds.