lore-discussion-spoilers

[brisk ginkgo]

Their chests do move like they're breathing, although that might just be a touch of realism to the game.

[keen shore]

Also keep in mind that the entire diving mechanic would have to be explained in vaguely human adjacent terms just so the players know what’s going on, as well.

Also side note while we’re on the topic of anatomy lore. Noticed while waiting an exorbitant amount of time for someone to help me open the door to the archives that we never blink as an idle animation or periodically like people do, just while performing emotes

[compact shale]

As far as I know we don't fully close our eyes, we just squint really hard

I've heard of animals that keep one eye open while sleeping to keep guard, so that may be why we do it

[brisk ginkgo]

Ohh I meant when maskless, but why/what would they need to keep guard for?

[frigid tinsel]

btw skykids do blink when idle

[compact shale]

Krills, crabs, spammers

[keen shore]

Do they?? Maybe it just never played for me, I focused on their eyes for like 10 minutes and didn’t notice any movement

[half shadow]

They don’t, but if you look closely you can see that both of the masks they appear to have small power diamonds inlayed. Judging from how we see power diamonds act as effective energy conductors, plus with how the Skykids are able to use power diamonds, I think it makes sense that a mask inlayed with one would allow them to conserve extra energy in it as well, which is what it essentially does as it extends the amount of time you can be under water.

[compact shale]

Oooh

I guess the power diamonds have a small amount of light in it

[brisk ginkgo]

Pretty recent add that lets all humanoid masks blink (not Animal based masks though)

[wise rampart]

some gratitude masks allow for blinking

[half shadow]

Yeah. While we don’t entirely know the ins and outs of power diamonds, they’re an example of Ancestor technology that Skykids are able to use, so I think the masks in this case make sense

[brisk ginkgo]

Wait whaa, which?

[wise rampart]

fox

[brisk ginkgo]

I mean it is pretty flat so

[frigid tinsel]

Skykid blinking in default mask while idle (plus bad afro physics)

[keen shore]

OH I have a weasel mask, that explains it

[half shadow]

I think I remember reading that when it was only chibi mask that could blink, the blinking was originally intended to be something all masks could do, but for whatever reason it didn’t end up working out. So I think within the recent updates they were able to add it in later.

[frigid tinsel]

also i dont think the devs intended for us to get up here cos lol

[half shadow]

parkour

[brisk ginkgo]

Which part of Wasteland is that?

[keen shore]

New headcanon for Afro physics. The spirit that gives you it doesn’t have a long spirit memory or anything to reference it off of, so our skykid just sees a giant puffball shaped thing and falsely assumes it works like a cloud does

[frigid tinsel]

top of the Wasteland temple in Battlefield

[half shadow]

pushes krill button

[keen shore]

WIDE KING

[frigid tinsel]

it's not the tippy top, I would've gone higher if the game hadn't sicced krill on me (and I was out of light)

[half shadow]

I always feel so betrayed when someone trips the krill button when I’m not at the platform yet

[keen shore]

Reason #83 why assembly torch is best and most useful ornament

[brisk ginkgo]

Fast recharge and doesn't have the bag

[frigid tinsel]

the weird thing was is that there wasn't anybody there, I just got the cutscene with an empty platform

[keen shore]

Also you can stand on top of it to give better perspective for taking photos

[wise rampart]

if you have excess candles, invest in copious amounts of instant recharge and antigravity

[brisk ginkgo]

Imagine chibi fall irl though. Like you're walking and some kid the height of your belly button runs up to you, falls through the ground then reappears out of the ground a few minutes later, seemingly unscathed.

[frigid tinsel]

i forgot i have instant recharge spells

[brisk ginkgo]

How does one achieve this "excess candle"?????

[compact shale]

If someone chibifalls in real life and doesn't come back up, you should assume that they have been subjected to see nothing but monoyellow wall for the rest of their forseeable future.

[frigid tinsel]

nah they just got sent straight to hell

[brisk ginkgo]

Banished to the shadow realm

[keen shore]

“Chibifalling in real life and not coming back up” sounds like a really convoluted euphemism for death

[compact shale]

either death by suffocating in the floor or slower death by getting killed by a liminal space creature

[brisk ginkgo]

Or you hit the boarder and now have to endure a really long white screen in order to respawn

[keen shore]

Describing the process of burial to someone whos never heard of it before

[brisk ginkgo]

Deep

[keen shore]

Just like their body

[compact shale]

almond nuts

[wise rampart]

oh one thing I needed to mention a while ago is that the eye of eden theme is a medieval chant called Dies Irae. A chant associated with death. Not really lore ish but it’s close enough.

[wise rampart]

obtain every item that you want. It doesn’t need to need be every ingame item, just the things you want.

[brisk ginkgo]

Hmm that'll take a while

[wise rampart]

took me three years, including a year long break from sky

[brisk ginkgo]

I've got a long way to go - laughs in Assembly moth

[wise rampart]

September 15th, 2019 I think

[frigid tinsel]

So we have

1. the single diamond with two half diamonds beside it on the structure in front of the broken temple, possibly representing the Golden Valley Elders, now-Wasteland Elder and Valley Elder(s).
   2/3) the diamond and surround lattices of the fortress in battlefield.
2. this double diamond design with triangles on the top of the Wasteland temple.
3. diamond lattice design in the Vault (first floor)

[keen shore]

Sometimes I forget that people constantly join the game, hear about a tlp or flight moth, and feel old

[frigid tinsel]

i'm a Little Prince moth (6 August 2021)

[compact shale]

I'm a Dreams moth

[wise rampart]

very late gratitude here

[brisk ginkgo]

I felt so superior when the bunch of switch moths joined though

[frigid tinsel]

not a Switch moth tho

[keen shore]

Enchantment moth,

also looking at the diamonds scattered around and it’s very interesting how much the symbol changes. Especially in vault when it gets really complex. I think the major theory for what the inset diamond represents is just darkstone in general?

[wise rampart]

I used to think that way, but it’s much better now just being around

[brisk ginkgo]

No idea is this is relevant, but the trial doors have the journey guys on them. I can send a screenshot later sometime

[pastel brook]

Buff moth takes all their friends though trials. At the same time.

[compact shale]

HOW

[brisk ginkgo]

The game grew a lot, makes me happy (I don't feel superior anymore)

[wise rampart]

I believe it exists not only as a decorative marking, but it symbolic in representing certain locations. Maybe not just the darkstone itself, but locations, uses, etc

[frigid tinsel]

i once helped a kid who was scared of the dark through the Trial of Fire. she had me stop periodically for hugs

[brisk ginkgo]

By sprouting extra arms, silly

[compact shale]

NO I MEAN WHAT WORD TRIGGERED IT

[wise rampart]

like you said, it becomes incredibly complex in vault, which may signify the importance of the location

[hushed steeple]

if I could, I would

[keen shore]

Also keep in mind that the single diamond symbol (and sometimes the inset diamond too) is located fairly commonly on ancestor masks around the forehead area. Was talking about this with I think lapis and sophos earlier

[brisk ginkgo]

Trials

The path my dad took to get to school

[hushed steeple]

lmao

[brisk ginkgo]

I was talking about trials and their doors so maybe that's what triggered the bot

[keen shore]

The conclusion we came to considering darkstone is used a lot to help stuff levitate (platforms in valley and vault, memory lanterns) is that it somehow helps them focus their energy to pick up and levitate heavy items, and that’s how the stone boats fly, as well as how ancestors are able to lift extremely heavy stone things

[frigid tinsel]

some ancestors are just buff tho

[wise rampart]

oh I have an idea. The diamond may symbolize a connection to the light. The artificial stars, the diamonds, are diamonds instead of orbs because that shape represents the light for the ancestors. Ancestors have a diamond of some sort because it connects them to the light, symbolically. Vault is considered part of the holy land, so the vault would have more complex diamonds.

[keen shore]

This is true but lifting heavy stone pots requires an additional, supernatural level of buff

[keen shore]

Yeah! This is why I think they’re diamond shaped in the first place. I think they’re even called artificial stars a few times

[wise rampart]

In the original concepts, yes, they were.

[keen shore]

Additionally they can be any shape and work (citadel and vault have flat circular ones) which means the diamond shape is a cosmetic rather than functional aspect

[rustic heron]

What're we talking about lore chat?

[frigid tinsel]

there be diamonds

[keen shore]

Lorechat is learning about shapes

[hushed steeple]

when I was your age, I had to jump across platforms and platforms while Antarctica's ocean flowed viciously, I victoriously managed to not fall into a freezing cold water. After that, I went into space where there were no gravity. I had to jump on spinning boxes and solves puzzles to get to my next destination. After after that, I was stuck in an area with cold wind. I was forced to levitate and push thru the strong winds. Lastly, I bravely went into a cave where I had to lit candles up to navigate, occasionally losing my way. There was also a darkness that would kill you if you were in it's path. After all that, I went to school :)

[wise rampart]

Precisely! They exist as a symbol, which can be built upon in the lore as one sees fit.

[keen shore]

ALSO the presence of the diamond symbol and darkstone in boats as early as isle suggests darkstone itself wasn’t the problem, but something to do with how it was used, powered, or relied on

[frigid tinsel]

or produced

[keen shore]

Also that, which I somehow forgot in my original post

[wise rampart]

That also further reinforces the idea that the diamond may represent the light itself.

[rustic heron]

So, darkstone is a battery. A battery is not inherently bad, but if you put a battery in, say, a railgun, and aim it at someone, it becomes a part of the problem.

[compact shale]

Diamonds are also known as "artificial stars" in some material.

[half shadow]

Abyss crew is vikings in a ship made for carrying cargo. No further questions thank you.

[keen shore]

New loading screen tip just dropped

[wise rampart]

original concepts, and yes lapis, that is exactly the case. When you start using it on animals like I theorized with the abyss, or making gigantic unethical machines to charge them with creatures, or making a giant unstable crystal in the center of your kingdom with god knows what.

[brisk ginkgo]

Guess what else has diamonds? Manta heads...

[wise rampart]

eye?

[keen shore]

The alternate concept of the kingdom being doomed from the very beginning, as soon as it started using darkstone, is a neat (if absolutely devastating) idea though

[brisk ginkgo]

I guess, I have no idea what to call them

Ayo auto mod why are you deleting my messages

[wise rampart]

The flight spirits and the ones making the pilgrimage in the switch trailer seem to be the last known spirits using the creatures of light in harmony. Once the “industrialized society hit”, they were done for

[compact shale]

PSA: Don't put batteries in railguns. Thank you.

[frigid tinsel]

well mining darkstone caused cave-ins that'd kill people, as seen in Tearful Light Miner's memory. we know that, for some reason, the production process made a lot of toxic sludge that ruined the landscape, polluted the water, and might be behind corruption. also the manufacturing process might have killed light creatures as well. I'm weighing that it was more of the ancestors – or the lot of them anyways – believing the costs of making power diamonds was worth the benefits of having the tech

[keen shore]

I get what you’re saying, but I mean like the kingdom was already doomed even before the king was chosen and there was nothing anyone could have done after to stop it, the consequences were just centuries in the future

[wise rampart]

The mining was eventually refined into the mines we see in the abyss. Completely automated. The pollution was likely runoff from the purification of the darkstone, and the butterflies, packed into jars in the prairie and shipped unknowingly by their elder to be harvested of their light.

[frigid tinsel]

you're making me want to bring up my headcanon about Prairie Elder's spies again

[wise rampart]

Kinda like how we discovered hawking radiation and the heat death of the universe, except expedited to a few hundred years

[frigid tinsel]

if it was doomed from the beginning, what of the kingdom exactly damned it so?

[keen shore]

OKAY SO. Hear me out. So the idea earlier was that ancestors used darkstone to amplify and utilize their minor telepathic powers. (Aka, darkstone focuses power)

What if… modern darkstone tech is manta head diamonds encased by the rock itself, meant to focus its power, which creates technology much more powerful than what ancestors could create on their own

[keen shore]

Finding darkstone in the first place, because there are darkstone boats in the prophecy murals. I don’t think this is the canon route but if you want a much angstier alternate reality, it’s possible

[rustic heron]

There is another idea to toy with. Sky exists in this duality with technology and spirituality. The Diamond symbol may play a dual role here, as it is featured prominently in many murals, abstract symbols, and the like.

Well, more than just a duamond; an octahedron, an eight-sided ploygon.

The octahedron shape may be fuandamentally important in sky, it's shape being particularly adept in channeling the spiritual energies of the world: light.

[brisk ginkgo]

The Abyss looks like it was flooded, there's buildings down there and there's no sentient creature that could live there. The ancestor spirits needed to breathe apparently as well (rebreather masks) so they couldn't have been there. It seems as though all the architecture is deep down in trenches, earthquake perhaps?

There's more buildings that can't be accessed through normal means (later quests) but they're all really deep down in the water.

Mantas and Krill can all survive without air apparently...

[wise rampart]

I quite like this

[brisk ginkgo]

Prisms?

[rustic heron]

And in being so capable in manipulating the spirit/light, it is also a key shape in worship. The Diamond symbolically equates to the worship of light, and its presence in technology is twofold.

It is then blasphemous to have this shape rage out-of-control in Eden, suggesting the King was doing something equally sacrilegious.

The cracked diamond is as symbol of blasphemy.

[wise rampart]

That’s well put. It makes a lot of sense for the diamond to be religious, symbolic, and is incredibly important, especially if it’s so common on the architecture

[rustic heron]

If you look at the King's symbol, it resembles a diamond radiating something. This is a symbolic representation of light, and a symbol of the cracked diamond in Eden, spurting out overcharged rock and energy.

The King's symbol is also blasphemous.

[compact shale]

For thoust sins thy shalt perish

[brisk ginkgo]

I'm not a regular lore-reader, was the King removed from the nromal game?

[rustic heron]

Yes and no, short answer.

[wise rampart]

he never existed outside of lore

[brisk ginkgo]

I see.

[keen shore]

Keep in mind that we can also see flat darkstone discs powering the orreries in valley and floating some platforms in vault, so the diamond is not the only shape that can work and definitely not the only one utilized, however it could still be the most efficient

[wise rampart]

the most efficient and the most symbolic

[keen shore]

Also… the answer to that question very much depends on who you ask, to say the least

[rustic heron]

Guess what? The vault discs are octagons. So perhaps 8 is key here.

[frigid tinsel]

the king had a bigger involvement during concept development. as depicted in Zhao's work, they discovered darkstone and oversaw power diamond development, plus they were intended to be a final boss during Eden ascent.

now their involvement is much less clear in Live but rather prominent. obviously there's no boss battle, but their symbolism is everywhere – one major instance is the huge statues in Wasteland resemble the king~~'s mechsuit~~. devs have said that the king is directly involved in the Live game story but "not in the way you might think."

[keen shore]

Fun fact, counting the 2 valley elders and the king, there are also 8 elders!

[wise rampart]

the diamonds also have eight sides. Pieces coming together

[rustic heron]

In all the representations of diamonds, There is a heavy present of 8.

The Diamond in a diamond, when falat, has a rhombus on the outside (4), and half an octahedron on the inside (another 4), totaling 8.

Octahedrons obviously have 8 sides.

And octagons have 8 sides.

[wise rampart]

the rule of eight

[rustic heron]

8 Elders with Valley having 2. 8 realms, if you count orbit as one realm along with Eden.

[wise rampart]

it’s 00:27 can someone with better brain power than me as of right now compile a pseudo document with all of this

[keen shore]

& 8 points on

Edit: EST GANG

[frigid tinsel]

the dev who planned all this is clapping their hands at us like "yes, yes, they figured it out"

[rustic heron]

Haha, PST here.

[wise rampart]

it’s likely this is all wrong but that doesn’t matter. I’ll try to write this all down

[brisk ginkgo]

I thought PST Sky players didn't exist /j

[rustic heron]

I will personally make this canon lore. I have the power of cannoneer on my side.

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes the audience will notice things about your work that you didn't consciously plan but makes sense in the context of the story. sometimes you painstakingly plan out these hints and correlations only for very few to get it.

[keen shore]

Also, we can always ask whenever we get a chance next.

[compact shale]

the beauty and the pain of creation

[rustic heron]

You know what else features 8 prominently? The eightfold path in Buddhism.

[hushed steeple]

Not physically. But yeah the lore basically revolves around him current game

[compact shale]

Yeah I was gonna send that in but I didn't think it was related enough.

[brisk ginkgo]

He be tall though

[hushed steeple]

If lorechat’s theory is correct, him wanting to be tall is a major storybeat

[keen shore]

He’s actually 3 feet tall he just wears stilts to make you think he’s not

[compact shale]

Absurd Mechsuit+Throne Construction

[frigid tinsel]

the king was corrupted by their crown of darkstone (see: #lore-discussion-spoilers message). don't know how much that contributed to their height.
worth noting that if the king = prince = Chosen One and Chosen One was a proto-skykid, they either got really tall or merged with their mechsuit during corruption (skykids are no taller than 4 feet).

[brisk ginkgo]

So he's Lord Farquaad

[keen shore]

Using tall spells to mess with the ancestors and make them think it’s happening again

[hushed steeple]

Basically. In the tall king illustration, you can see him as actual tiny standing in the face hole.

He likes to feel tall

[keen shore]

Secret lore of sky: Tall People Are Evil

[hushed steeple]

But prince is short-

[compact shale]

short people are evil

[brisk ginkgo]

Me, a max height skid: grabs chibi mask

[frigid tinsel]

source: chibis

[hushed steeple]

Ah! That explains all the threats to steal kneecaps!

[keen shore]

becoming tall is what made him evil, also all the elders involved in darkstone production are tall (obviously not a coincidence)

[brisk ginkgo]

All people are evil is what I have learned

[rustic heron]

It could also be symbolic. The King is physically large, but his failure ot unite the light and the absence of that unification make him feel small, so his mask represents how he feels internally.

[keen shore]

(This is definitely not an attempt by a short person to divert attention from themselves and any impression that you may get of that being true is clearly false)

[brisk ginkgo]

Napoleon syndrome

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder is the shortest Elder and was probably involved in darkstone production. also I'm taller than Vault Elder, does that mean I'm evil

[wise rampart]

psychologically, it’s well designed

[rustic heron]

The shorter you are the closer you are to hell.

[hushed steeple]

Wearing your baby form on your face does not inspire much confidence. But I do like the symbolism when taken as, the need and rush to look like an adult is a ruthless endeavor, while skykids are happy being kids, and don’t make grabs for power.

[keen shore]

Okay now I’m questioning this, how are you taller than vault elder, are you implying that ancestors are also like 4ft tall

[frigid tinsel]

Vault Elder is 5' 2", I'm 5' 5"

[hushed steeple]

After all, only children try to act like adults.

[wise rampart]

OH! Falling back to earlier, outside the ground floor of vault, in the prairie room, it’s eight sided, and at the final floor, eight sided

[keen shore]

Okay now that you mention it vault elder is extremely short compared to everyone else which makes me unreasonably happy. Also how did you measure this, out of curiosity

[frigid tinsel]

some madlad did the math: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980
their Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ob6DeBbMUF0bSfeRlfwqSoF_8HWEhp_HMrgiwmZZxsI/edit

[keen shore]

Also can’t believe that if you’re right they’re still slightly taller than me

[hushed steeple]

Elders keep changing sizes from the scenes they are djsnsnananan vaukt ais difnrfernt from thejrd reasoixtive cutsnciese

[frigid tinsel]

someone had a stroke

[keen shore]

Oh my god vault elder is a third the size of prairie elder I am in tears why is this so funny ||and relatable||

Conspiracy theory. Vault elder is a normal ancestor who’s just been faking it the entire time

[rustic heron]

You know, I should redo these numbers. I'm skeptical of the values that were gotten here. Let me measure myself against the frame of reference in office, and then do the Vault OOB to measure against the elders standing straight.

[keen shore]

Do you have the assembly torch cosmetic and if so, could you measure that as well. Would make my life measuring things so much easier

[rustic heron]

I don't, but the same model is used everywhere in treehouse.

[frigid tinsel]

they did get the Vault Elder(s) wrong, they didn't account for being behind and put them a foot shorter

[keen shore]

Amazing, do you mind getting a measurement of that for me??

[frigid tinsel]

https://adzukirin.tumblr.com/post/672733520577380352

[keen shore]

New favorite elder (okay, I’ll be honest, vault elder was actually the favorite the entire time)

[rustic heron]

I'm torn between Forest and Vault. Forest radiates massive chad energy, but Vault cute.

[keen shore]

I’m a bit torn between all of them but short nerd who hides from the sun and reads books all day is jsut too much like me to resist

[wise rampart]

this good?

sorry if I missed anything. No caffeine and all that.

[rustic heron]

You are a scholar and a gentleperson. You have cemented a place in lorechat that will be remembered for days (probably). Statues will be erected of you in my mind, and you will be able to place them in there, rent free, for about 5 real minutes, an eternity in dream time.

[wise rampart]

B)

[compact jungle]

What if every skykid wears the same default outfit, and the different clothes/pants (Eg. Rhythm outfits) are actually just an illusion made from light?

[compact shale]

Oh, another thing about the "complex shapes closer to the light"

According to Tom Zhao's art, the far-light side of the spectrum is symbolized by a perfect circle. The more sides a regular polygon has, the closer it is to a circle.

[wise rampart]

I’ll write down theories that we all come to a consensus on. Same document and everything, so it’s catalogued.

[keen shore]

Imagine if the actual reason why shapes got more complex is because everyone in the first few realms is just horrible at drawing

[compact jungle]

Instead of spirits actually giving you physical items and cosmetics

They are just teaching you the appearance of it, like a memory/emote

[keen shore]

I just realized, is prophecy guide actually taller than the vault elder. I need to know

[rustic heron]

As it turns out, the pants are just the friends we made along the way.

[compact shale]

The candles are for paying for cosmetic copyright /j

[keen shore]

This is a common consensus in this channel given how most cosmetics disappear and you turn dark gray when your flame runs out

[rustic heron]

THE PANTS ARE NFTS. THE STARS FELL BECAUSE THE ELDERS MADE PANTS AND CAPES NFTS.

[keen shore]

Gender currency, pant nfts, when will it end

[compact shale]

🥚🔨

[wise rampart]

once you can’t manifest your power, you are stripped down to the bare essentials. The same with overflow. In eden, when you become supercharged with light and ascend, you only have the light. nothing else

[rustic heron]

TGC is wack, dude.

[wise rampart]

yea

[keen shore]

I need to sleep still can’t get over the revelation that vault elder is 5’2”

[wise rampart]

really? wow

[rustic heron]

You know, I think the lore broke me. Someone came in here the other day asking about actual Belonging Family lore, and the first thing I uttered was "Haha Belonging family invented gender".

[wise rampart]

I remember that

[rustic heron]

EST gang needs to start looking into sleep lore. I'd start with some practice. Say, 8 hours?

[wise rampart]

it’s just fine over here in CST. Enjoying the sound of the wind and my singular music playlist.

[rustic heron]

I have windchimes, and they're really nice in the wind. It's not cozy, but it's comforting to hear it.

[nimble ingot]

Is that why chibis are more mischievous than the usual skykid?

[frigid tinsel]

Take drugs like me to sleep

[wise rampart]

It’s gusty over here, whistling off the trees in our yard due to the snowstorm

[rustic heron]

I'm closer to narcolepsy than insomnia. If I'm not thinking for 5 minutes, I fall asleep.

[frigid tinsel]

Long story short: very bad insomnia

[wise rampart]

I drink chamomile tea on the daily, more-so a comfort than functionality. Plus it tastes really good.

[nimble ingot]

So, your brain has a short timer and would switch to standby mode whenever it gets the chance.

[rustic heron]

Yup. Coffee doesn't have much of an effect. I can't close my eyes either, or 2-3 minutes later I'm half-asleep.

[frigid tinsel]

When I say “drugs,” I mean legally prescribed medications, nothing illicit

[rustic heron]

I knew someone else like that. Without sleep medication, they'd be up for days.

[frigid tinsel]

The longest I’ve gone was a day and a half without trying. I cried. It was horrible. I just wanted sleep then passed out. Dunno how long I could’ve slept cos I had school and had to wake up

[half shadow]

I had a medical procedure today (routine infusion nbd) that included taking a benadryl AND a steroid. I don’t know where I’m at right now BUT I’M CRUISIN FOR LORE

[rustic heron]

The lonest I've stayed up was 2 days straight. By the second day, I tried getting up once and my leg said "nope" and I almost fell over.

I've never been able to stay awake more than 24 hours since.

[frigid tinsel]

Useful for pulling all-nighters before deadlines tho

[rustic heron]

Haha, it would be. Some of the greatest minds of our time had trouble sleeping, and would just think about things instead.

It makes sense you'd be here in lore chat. You'll have to the Einstein of Sky Lore.

You guys ever notice that, when you're hithching a ride with a manta, the tether is purple light?
The same color as the attribute of mind, and prominent in Vault?

Do you think we're mentally hijacking mantas? Did Spirits engage in psyops with mantas in the war?

[covert oar]

Abyss quest we have to free two imprisoned mantas, why they were there in the 1st place?

[compact shale]

A common theory is that their light was extracted for use in dark diamond stuff

[nimble ingot]

Maybe those were holding tanks?
It is not the first time we see trapped mantas.
The forest temple either locked the mantas out, or the gates we opened were where the mantas were caged in.

At least the mantas were able to breathe with the bubbles in the tanks.

[compact shale]

Are mantas amphibious

[rustic heron]

It might just be me, but aquatic mantas tend to be differently colored. It might just me shading, however.

[compact shale]

They are. They seem to return to normal manta color when they get back into the sky tho.

[tidal valve]

Yup! I agree, the manta underwater have a darker nose? I’ve been studying the mantas underwater and above super intently, also noticed that the manta trapped in the jars? In the 3 quest they don’t have black noses and go straight up above the water once released

So maybe there’s a biological difference between them?

(-,: man I wanna read all the lorechat messages but I’m so busy rn

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[magic minnow]

They were also surrounded by the air bubbles in those barriers(cause of you oob into the tanks, you’d be able to replenish your air and wings from the mantas), so they were basically the…flying/not water light creature mantas

[stable veldt]

my tiny brain still thinks vault elder is the man from journey

[nimble ingot]

you mean the priest?
They do have a lot of similrities.

[late wasp]

another observation: basically all mantas have horns

[compact shale]

Where did you get that from?

[nimble ingot]

*had horns.
Some of them in he game dont.

[late wasp]

Reika's Artstation

[boreal nebula]

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's the same soundtrack/leitmotif played in loop in each one

[boreal nebula]

Idk.. to me it seems to be weak under some circumstances during the passing of times, then it can reappears with the help of some restoration/remembrance magic

And yet, being sortof permanent (well, just when we get close to it) underwater

Yet, you had a wonderful idea. What if we will see someone of the spirits using the two paints 🟠 🔵 not just on masks ( Lightseekers + Assembly ) but as some "tattoos"

There is the traditional use of painting the arms and hands in Hindu/ Punjab brides, even if it's just washable

@white dagger I think I read that dev's comment somewhere in here too

Tibetan, Incas and some other mountain civilizations were looked up to get inspiration for Valley architecture theme or something

[late wasp]

oh snap, i didn't realize the ramification of our sticker magic.
it's basically the same magic as mural painting. and the skid does it with their mind.

[nimble ingot]

There is another civilisation one can take a look at as well.
The Cloud people.
There is a documentary of this group of people that came from a Viking group or something of the like. They sailed, got lost at sea and ended up in South America.
They settled on a mountain and rebuild their civilisation there. The ma have lost their home, but some of their Celtic heritage can still be seen in the rounded ruins of their homes made of stone. As well as the name they go from the locals with their pale skin and preference to live high up in the mountains.

[late wasp]

iirc they are part of the Inca. and it's highly debated theory.

[boreal nebula]

YESS, I might have alrady agreed with you, but..

I now imagine either the old mural see in Light Awaits (of King vs Different Sky Kids, but only one left standing and holding a light in their hands)

Or even better, some kind of deep meaning murals, explaining us the story/tragedy that happened to Eden, like a warning or a last notes on a sailor journal.. || before the author's demise ||

[white dagger]

ye! :3
also heloe chat!

[nimble ingot]

True.
The name Chachapoya, either means "warrior of the cloud," or refers to them living in the forest that is called Cloud Forest.

According to the Wiki, there is some debate about the origin of the ancient people, some say they have European features (blonde hair for instance), while others state there is not enough evidence to be sure.

[boreal nebula]

Notice that only Great Mantas and Baby "Pancakes" Mantas have that S-Shape wings + Horns, while Regular Mantas seems to have a more rounded shape for the wings, with a slightly pointy end (with golden pattern there)

These are signs that lead me to thing Pancakes grow into Great Mantas, while Regular grow and grow without much of differences (in Eden big or small regulars share the same figure)

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The mural I was talking about, from Old Beta, is used by Netscape in this tape gift too but...

...but it was all in red

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Late late (very late) reply

Yes, there are lots of bricked doorway in Abyss, even in the round room with 3 little crabs

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

It was originally like this, monochromatic, but Idk know if red or white was the original one

[nimble ingot]

https://youtu.be/rKAEDwP1V90?list=PLRTBVhU4gY5y61dHlzooaIbge8ACLLQUn&t=3895
It turns red when thunder from the storms strikes.

[boreal nebula]

Wow , this looks like a very ealry stage..

Both the face of that skykid and the mural/statues

[nimble ingot]

It was back in January 2018 according to the video

[boreal nebula]

Plus each Elder is throwing/gifting something to the Ancestors/their followers

[nimble ingot]

That may have come from this old concept

[boreal nebula]

Maybe subbordinates (cause we see somewhere Ancestors with the same mask as the Elder, maybe working for the individual temple)

[nimble ingot]

rip that nice picture
Was it a word?
Or the name for the image?

[neat flint]

It looks like the mural from the washi tape

[boreal nebula]

So maybe, Red Light, Darkness/Tragedy, is indeed used to unveal moving stories/events

[late wasp]

I've recently settled for just thinking the baby version of the animals being smaller version of them lol. Kinda like the Krill and the Baby Krill. Just a resized model.

That being said, all different shaped animals are probably their own species.
🐟 🐋

[compact shale]

Come on Tgc don't be scared
Make nod sell a red light prop that can reveal secret muralssss

[nimble ingot]

Sky makes use of specific colours to associate or represent key idea in the game.

White - Purity, life, light
Orange - Flame, holiness
Yellow - Enlightenment, Ascension, Divinity
Blue - Technology, ancestor, Spirit
Darkness - death
Red - Corruption

These are what I could take from the concept art, applied to the game.

[nimble ingot]

Hint:
Try using the earth mural prop in certain area, you will see it start glowing in some places.

There might be a reason why it does that and might reveal something else.
I tried it when the spirit came out too early as a bug. And had not gotten far with it.

[compact shale]

Ohh that sounds cool

Maybe it could be refined to glowing when put as the missing puzzle piece of a mural idk ahahaha

[nimble ingot]

I got it to glow in the prophecy cave and one other area. I cannot recall where, though would like to test the prop to see if I missed other places.

It tends to clip through things, so be mindful of that when checking to see if it glows.
It also seems to glow better on the ground, which makes me think it might be a key of some sort to meditate on. Though I am not sure.
Some murals might not make the prop glow, so it is not just for murals.

[boreal nebula]

But Orange Orb cannon lit anything and it should be Fire Elemental ||hope they retcon this 😅||

[boreal nebula]

I think it glows better on shady/less lighting areas

I see it green in Prairie too, but when I placed it under a tent

[boreal nebula]

Another theory of mine, but without many clues, Pancakes could be the root of many branches of different kind of mantas
|| Pancake = Eevee ||

[late wasp]

||throwing a pokeball at eevee||

[boreal nebula]

I think that controlling Red Light (tied to darkness or stories or, as I think, even tragedies) we restored what memories/darkness clouded

The painting maybe were already there, but disappeared with the passing of time

[late wasp]

I think we can create a rule that applies to all cases

this is probably the Red Light's true power and the VOID's true power.

[lyric isle]

[clickbaity youtuber voice]
10 Reasons why NODDING MURALIST is OP 😱

…ok but as lore buff I have a good reason to be fixated

[late wasp]

i read that as "moralist" and was confused for a minute

[lyric isle]

have I sparked mural discussion
hoo boy

[boreal nebula]

As far as I know there isn't much we know about Underground Caves (the one below Sunny Forest, right?)

It should have been introduced with Season of Belongings (and now we can even relive the Teenager Cousin in there)

Later on they added a Quest for Season of The Little Prince , but still nothing much is added.

There is a sealed tunnel with a door mechanic broken/not working (which I hoped it could be used with some Season of Assembly, cause even the exit of that cave is an one-way door, but TGC did nothing about that 😕 )

Anyway, later on during Seaon of Flight we got a wind tunnel, finally giving clarify from there the Whale could enter (yeah there's a big opening on the end of the cave, but this species seems quite shy or at very least favorites flying low in clouds)

Hope this can suffice 😅

[nimble ingot]

If it can go through the clouds, then cloud tunnels are not necessary for the whale to move through.
Though I wonder why it tries to fly up like that and then sharply dive back down to the clouds like that.

As for the sealed gate, there used to be something to it, but then some time later in 2019 (if I recall correctly Season of belonging added the area, so could not be earlier than that) it was scrapped, as far as I understood the story behind it. All that remains of it is the rumble blocking off the diamond needed to light up and open up the gate. Along with the room that leads to a dead end, which is actually blocked off. Behind the back wall are what remains of a staircase and a wrecked boat, that were both partially deleted.

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[boreal nebula]

Idk if I already said it clearly, but maybe Red Light or it users could be tied to Isle

The murals are used to cleanse the "darkness/void" covering murals and the events hidden there. There's many murals in Isle, because it's the most Storytelling realm.

So maybe all the Ancestors there learned from Daleth Isle Elder (with more skilled learners, like maybe the 4 Prophets were the best of Students, who used that skills or maybe also telekinetic skills learned abit from Lamed Vault Elder too ||cause IMHO in the last quest cutscene they seems to work together to lift and create the central Totem as last keystone for staging Cave of Prophecies and the Trials before allowing contestants to try passing the 4 tests||)

All Ancestors there seems to be able to light a mural (big or small) by themselves (yess, Stargazer too, even if it's a leftover from before we could spot the Sky Kid in that memory)
But the strongest one is the one we allegedly suspect was made by Elder in the Intro Tunnel (where he was even able to imprint a dialogue)

After all Dawn is the place with stronger connection to the darkness of the night and strong enough to withstand and to enlight it (This idea maybe came to my mind recalling how Night VS Day was a deities fight in Ancient Egypt)

SIDE NOTE: Not sure if it's relevant, Isle Elder's staff ⚕️ is showing also the same pattern as in Shadows Eyes . Then again, that might be nothing, cause we see that rings/halo in Floating, Breathing and Crab Walk emotes too, even if yellow, so it might less appealing to my eyes

Even if Floating and Breathing might be somehow tied to darkness in the opposite way, as antinomys, rather more about Enlightenment.. but Crab Walk seems to deny my interpretation, so .. maybe just nothing

[nimble ingot]

There are no red murals in the current game unfortunately.

Though if there were to be any later on, it would be fascinating to see how they tie into the lore.

The murals in the Abyss are are one of the few, if not first, murals to be a different colour.
Whereas most murals are gold, these ones are a white/blueish colour.
Which is either due to the water, or they represent a different style of story telling.

[boreal nebula]

I don't think that's true, hope I don't sound rude.

Maybe in Wasteland + Ark or Prairie + Sanctuary, but in Isle + Prophecy there are blue paints with later details added in gold/yellow (Intro Murals and how the choosen one passed the trials and sparked the development of the Civilization)

[nimble ingot]

you are not rude to question things.
I will have a look in the game to check. 🙂

[boreal nebula]

.
If I recall a correctly even in Sanctuary clues murals there are 2 colors

[boreal nebula]

Interesting bit, by the way

[boreal nebula]

@S1330200#9184 I prefer to think about "field specific" use of them too

After all Fire Element seems to be used for King Turrets/Lazer Beams (if we confirm their use as Tower Defenses) in Prophecy mural, Final Details

While (iirc) the Snoozing Carpenter in Enchantment use it to light and give a warm cozyness to the Ark

[lyric isle]

snooze creates the structures across it and turns day to night

“It is said they hoard ancient secrets”

[boreal nebula]

I guess... They sort of existed before

In a recent interpretation I said how they could be original from the last 2 realms left, Isle and Vault

But maybe levitation (as a lowkey/basis skills based around the Imagination) could be a standard skill of all Elders , which later was taught to Ancestors

I don't recall who suggested this last part, to whom I owe my gratitude!

Because that could mean that these telekinesis could be a thing that Prophets learned from the early ages, before the inventions of the Memory Cubes/Crystals

Last but not least, the red symbol of Ark is a spiral like in most cloud drawings, so they skill/power can used to shred darkness/cloudness around events they want to reveal/tell to us

[boreal nebula]

I noticed with the arrive of Season of Abyss there are two different models for Regular Mantas (unrelated with sizes of them) where at the start of their tail, instead of the diamond/rhombus/asteroid (math term) shape they have opened fins (that's the name we conceived in Lore)

I recently even realized there were back then in the Old Beta (which I didn't have the means or the pleasure to play) and it's indeed a nice retro easteregg pAww.. but it's kind of confusing in my case.

Maybe the first shape I encountered was the diamond one, elegant and nostalgic for me, so I'd wish to see more that one. But anyway, whatever will be devs choice, it's a bit weird to so many Regular Mantas, small or big alike, display either one or the other shape without a clear distinction. (It's not an element of their growth)

Fins were first place spotted underwater, so I thought it was for enchant swimming speed or flying speed if a boost is necessary, but in Eden they still display the diamond one face_with_spiral_eyes .

So which is which?

[rigid mural]

Just realized but there are buildings in the earth trial.
We see a forest in the mural depicting the wisdom of fire.

What if the elements were simply inverted ?
Fire was originally in Forest, but got sent to Wasteland, which sent Water to Forest in turn (would this give credibility to the theory Wasteland had a closer shoreline or was wetlands before ?)

Earth was originally within the heart of the mountains in Valley, but could have been sent to Prairie in exchange for Air...

The tagline of the green light found in Prairie is even "a gift of the sky to the land" (paraphrasing).

_ _
Perhaps the fire of the forest was used to dry the wetlands, but it went out of control and caused desertification, while the water used to soothe the trees in forest and encourage growth ended up spreading the pollution of the refinery throughout the entire realm...

[late wasp]

let me check the relations

[rigid mural]

Air and earth do not seem as destructive, but perhaps the mountainous resistance made prairie fertile but stagnant, while the air's balance may have helped raise cities above the clouds, but they lost their footing in doing so (hence the fallen buildings).

[half shadow]

I am endlessly fascinated by the seemingly “dead” spirits we can see in one of the prophecy murals and the implications of them

[hushed steeple]

Prophets got all their students....uh...”defeated”

[unique herald]

Any ideas on how krill seem to originate from water?

[late wasp]

Cave Entrance:
💦 WATER in a rain on a river that leads to an isle in the sea.
⛰️ EARTH on top of a mesa in a desert
🌪️ AIR on floating isles over the clouds
🔥 FIRE in a forest, creating the clouds

Cave
💦 WATER is used by Forest Elder
⛰️ EARTH is used by Prairie Elder
🌪️ AIR is used by the Valley Elders
🔥 FIRE is used by the Wasteland Elder

Ark
VOID is located in the Wasteland
💦 WATER is located in the Valley
🌪️ AIR is located in the Isle
⛰️ EARTH is located in the Prairie
MIND is located in the Vault
🔥 FIRE is located in the Forest

[late wasp]

why do you think they seem originate from water?

[hushed steeple]

They can hide in water n swim in water but come from water? Its hard to say whats actually an aquatic animal when they are all aquatic animals....that fly.

[unique herald]

Because in the new event the ancestor with the fisherhat suspects ob in the water but it passes them

[hushed steeple]

Krills are confirmed to be a corrupted light creature, what you think that creature is up for grabs now. But Im thinking the caravan fella is a likely candidate.

[late wasp]

doesn't that simply mean that Krill can swim?

[unique herald]

Well with the thorie that the water in the crap fields used to be higher krill could be water animals that ascendet from the toxic grounds

[hushed steeple]

Like if ancient animals in a tar pit came back to life as demons.

Oop sorry. It has a tendency to ban completely innocent words.

Oof

[unique herald]

Something like that they could be spirits

[late wasp]

I finished Flight quests today, and it's incredible how Lore dense it is

[hushed steeple]

In concept art there was an idea of melting their corrupted crust bodies to free their little souls.

Current game im thinking they are more just shelled up in the crust, still technically alive

[late wasp]

Does anyone know specifically who were the people seen in the boats at the end of Flight? I kinda recognized the Chibi Ancestor, but I'm not sure.

[hushed steeple]

I know thrillseeker and sunbather, uhhh, I forgot the rest

[late wasp]

it's cool that it gives us a timeline. that those ancestors survived the Eden Storm.
and found refuge in the Flight Isle. godbless Flight crew for creating that sanctuary

[hushed steeple]

......wait what

[late wasp]

You know. The Flight quests.
It shows how the Flight crew establish the Island as a home, create ships using Animal power.

But then the Eden Storm happens. And Apocalypse issues.
They have the help of a Great Manta, that helps them survive the Storm, destroying the Darkstone and freeing animals.

After that, ships of refugees start arriving from other lands.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, but that all happens modern day, after they meet someone who can fly

[late wasp]

We are reliving memories though. We are just playing the role of someone else in the past.

[hushed steeple]

They are when you relive the memories. The actual quest are current, as confirmed by ash, but also that they need someone who flies.

Plus I mean everyones a spirit

[late wasp]

I thought we were simply reenacting events in the past all the time.
Since they are... dead? Flight quest takes place prior, during and after the Eden event.

[rigid mural]

I feel like the actual quests happen in the present time, but echo past events the spirits may have lived.

[hushed steeple]

They are very lively dead people!

Most seasonal quest take place modern day since its all about skykids helping spirits feel secure and meet their wishes. They prolly could not achieve their goals without skykids.

Most of the time, some are just like, helping them do what they do anyway

[late wasp]

so Eden decides to be grumpy during our visit to Flight?

[hushed steeple]

Nah, they opened the portal to wasteland, and let the contamination in.

[rigid mural]

Cutscene shows rocks coming from GW along with a krill spotlight.

[hushed steeple]

Despite the fact its a portal to ark, which is a purified area but I don’t think devs want you to consider that fact

[late wasp]

I don't know, it makes more sense for us to be reenacting things that happened in the past / catching a glimpse of the past too. Seems to leave the least amount of plotholes in my opinion.

Let me try and see Ash's exact words

[rigid mural]

I feel like, with the first 3 quests, we are living something similar to what the spirits did building the area. Although here, we are litterally rebuilding it. The birds flying away with the bells fits a slice of life event so nicely
4th quest may be showing us how the area got obscured by clouds; flightless, the spirits can't do much if both flying boats and light creatures can't fight the wild currents.
5th quest is the happy ending because we saved the Wind Paths, whoo.

Ash seems to really like talking about the flight season (not sure if it's because it's no longer current or if it's because they genuinely love it), with a bit of luck they will show up here again this season and you could ask them to clarify their words !

[hushed steeple]

Found it hoooo

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[late wasp]

ah, so both past and present.
I assume it's like what Vela described.
We are both seeing the founding of Flight, but at the same time rebuilding Flight.

The cutscenes that take place during the "sit to meditate" moments probably are entirely in the past imo

[hushed steeple]

But yeah a lot of the slice of life looking missions I don’t care about being in chronological order

Its pretty intended you are actually meeting and helping spirits who have been dead a long time, and fixing their problems they have had for a long time

[late wasp]

If only I knew the lore back then... I would have so many questions.

ended up asking Ash about earwax LMAO

[hushed steeple]

[late wasp]

holly molly I'm so stupid!!!!

Cave of Prophecy actually shows what each Elder used the Powers for!!!
Prairie Elder brought Life into the Prairie.
Forest Elder brought the Rain into the Forest.
Valley Elders used the Wind Power to make Floating Islands.
Wasteland Elder used the Fire Power to create the Sentinels.

And the Prince used his Power to create the Beam of Light.

[rigid mural]

tinkering chimesmith and their bird problems lmaooo

[hushed steeple]

Flights filler episode

[nimble ingot]

Why did TGC change the symbol the earth prophet prop places down?

It was a start in the past, now it is just a the rock symbol. 😦

[boreal nebula]

It could also be one way to see it as @rigid mural said, that cave emtrance murals are where they find the original elements

But I rather like that those are prophecies of where WE will find the Enchantment Lights! At least the 4 elementals, without counting the mysterious Red and Purple

For example, below the stream of forest river we reach the Ice Rink where we spot Blue Light
Earth is near a flowering field in Prairie
Air is in Isle where we first met the winds leading us inside the Kingdom (from Isle border to Prairie entrance)
Fire in forest, either creating the clouds or withstanding them without perishing

After all I think is important to notice how in Prophecy there is a Cave of Prophecies

1. The Location of the Elements (either where they or we found them)
2. The origin of theTrials (maybe stars fell in Isle or near and Elder send the soon to be Prophets in a mystic place where to harness and study the 4 relics)
3. The arrive or the Choosen One who passed the Trials and enriched the Kingdom (the additional golden figure that appears after you reach the floating brazier)
4. The Bad Omen of a Krill among the clouds

[boreal nebula]

I agree that they seems water type after all they seems to breath underwater. But what is more peculiar (and I womder why I didnt think it sooner) what does Devs meant by corrupted?

We see peaceful and aggressive crabs alike.. and we call the aggressive the corrupted ones (because of the spores on them)

So... what if the Light Dragon... were exactly as we see Dark Dragons now... but only peaceful and without sporea?!
Is corrupted really meaning "deformed into becoming the krills we use to know now" ?

[frigid tinsel]

Fruity(?) had the suggestion that darkness may have ate away at the light flesh of light dragons, leaving their harder bones behind that corruption animated.

if that's true, in the case of crabs, the darkness couldn't eat away at their light flesh since they're protected by their hard shell, though the proximity of the darkness could've irritated them.

[boreal nebula]

I agree on reenacting and recalling they memories!

In my headcanon, there was Eden disaster and most of the spirits we see are from beyond that point, when the disaster destroyed Eden yes, but the damaged was contained in Eden and Golden Wasteland, with Vault trapped and withstamding the Storm, so spirits keep living im GW even if in crumbles

The contaiment of Eden Disaster was "Pirro's Victory", they were able to restore the Wind Paths entrances and clean it, but the Eden shockwave slowly cut the whole Realms connection to their spiritual forms and previously decessed spirits (freely imterpretimg the "as spirits our light was infinite" as a convivation of Living and Spirit Ancestors , so an utopy where death wasn't entirely bad, if not for the absence of a concrete ascension like lightcreatures do)

The lack of connection with their past slowly destroid their Utopia and led to the ruins we have now

[rustic heron]

The Switch trailer features a similar creature to a Krill, even having the same singular eye/point of light in the front of its head.

[boreal nebula]

I SAID ALL THIs because IF Just For Example, we were the ones freeing Wind Paths from darkness for the first time, it would make no sense... we arrived the first time in a clean WP, not in a land we restore from zero like in Forgotten Ark

[boreal nebula]

I would agree on "similar" only if they left the horns as in concept art..

How can we be certain those "mantatees" are the Light Dragons we really want? With just "it's one-eyed creature" identikit?

[boreal nebula]

I m sorry, I disagree.. I think for example Dreams was real/actually happened back then, we only help them remind their past

Or for example, if back then they died in Wind Paths when E D E N happened, then why we emtered in a non gloomy WP? If the restoration took place just in the present, why we didnt find it completely in ruins like in Forgotten Ark?

[late wasp]

very good observation, this is awesome!!

one more thing I think it's cool to mention is how the Spiral means VOID.
and Clouds are made of Spirals. This symbol was used for Void even before the revamp of symbols.

[boreal nebula]

LOL, most ask the oppisite... "why it is a sticker? What does it do?"

IMHO it was a placeholder for any Proph Prop, at least now it's something "mEaNiNgFuL" 😅

🍀 hope for a better prop next time XD

[late wasp]

Oh right, one more observation, which is more of an "inspiration", is some of Christian culture thrown into the game too.
Apart from Eden (Garden of Eden being where the Spiritual World and the Material World mix)

there is also the "our light was infinite", aka: they had eternal life.

First Sin, in Christian myth, is responsible for introducing Death and Entropy into the Universe. Now they are mortal.

[boreal nebula]

Maybe it was rather Jewish

But for the moment the only Christian thing I can see is Christmas the way Choosen One is lifted on a cross flare... (remoteky reminding of a Christ on the Cross)

[late wasp]

There is also the "if only they had listened" part, that implies someone tried to warn something. ||but these inspirations are likely just surface-deep, mixed with other cultures||

[nimble ingot]

It is now as meaningful as a sticker a kid can paste on virtually any surface.
It is now a glorified piece of graffiti.

I though the backpack was the placeholder (I was clearly wrong and hopeful to a fault).

Ah well, I am starting to lose faith with TGC giving props that would be used in the lore.

[late wasp]

Sticker is Lore.
Skid uses their Mind to place sticker.
Spirits communicate with Murals.

[boreal nebula]

The most Christian thing was my Chrib collage xD

Joke aside... the comet we leave behind our fall / the Choosen one in Stargazer memory, I guess :stickerthink: ... not much if you ask me 😕

SKY charms come from other cultures in my eyes

[orchid jolt]

I know the fortune event isn't exactly canon (at least not the dragon or things in office) but I found out that Fortune message boats have candles in them

[wise rampart]

they do. The enchantment spirits original teaser had the alchemical symbol (iirc) for their respective element.

[rustic heron]

I love how the simplification for GW Elder is just 🔻

[frigid tinsel]

considering that the Wind Paths might've closed from unuse or the storm, then whatever darkness that flooded in from the wind paths could've dissipated when the wind paths closed, no longer transfering the darkness all over the realms

[rigid mural]

didnt ash say there's a reason the prophets are so tall

[keen shore]

I think that was just in response to my question about how they managed to paint on the roof, so probably a joke, but who knows. Could be important

[frigid tinsel]

they're tall cos they sleep on the bare rock floor

[keen shore]

They got put into the elongation machine

[wise rampart]

👀

[nimble ingot]

the guide, I think he could be associated with the dawn elder since both have a tall and lanky build.

[rigid mural]

salem's question asked what the QG's relationship was with the other prophets were so...

[wise rampart]

hmm

[hushed steeple]

Because GW was clogged, the wind paths are called forgotten, and ARE in a state of disrepair

[hushed steeple]

I do think its intentional quest are modern day. But aside from that its completely pointless and meaningless to include your skykid otherwise. Skykids got a big affect on the kingdom even if the changes are slow.

[rigid mural]

oh btw the gate from the forest temple to the very end of forest (pink part before valley) ? looks a lot like the huge gate we see in abyss, in the really deep area with the wall painting showing scholars with mantas on one side and crystals on the other

_ _
forest temple 🤝 gw first krill area 🤝 abyss giant tower gate
_ _ possibly a refinery

[hushed steeple]

I watched a longplay of Fe. I still have no idea what its actual story is but uh.

It has an eden too

[rustic heron]

This is definitely the case. We see a whole system of material ropeways (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_ropeway) that are submerged in Treasure Reef. The carts contained some form of rock, likely unprocessed darkstone, and there are holes where material was mined everywhere in treasure reef.

Treasure reef was likely a darkstone mine before it became submerged. This doubly makes sense if they processed the darkstone and pre charge the crystals using light creatures, a la the tanks.

The presence of the gold containers, which are associated with the darkstone crystal molds, are present in some of the Treasure Reef cave systems as well.

And, of course, crabs, which are usually nearby these gold containers.

I have a theory that actual darkness, like very deep waters (aka the abyss) suck out light and pave the way for the formation of darkstone.

Forest is a partially submerged area, as is GW and the prairie caves.

These are areas devoid of light, which I think is necessary for the formation of darkstone.

And, of course, it follows that light creatures that have dived too deep are also mutated by the lack of light into abyssal, or dark, creatures.

It would doubly make sense that these materials are toxic to Ancestors and Skykids, who thrive on light. It’s the equivalent of a parasitic tick, sucking out their life essence.

We notice too Krills are never found in areas of intense light, like Valley or Prairie. We likely see no Krills in Forest because the area can experience periods of intense sunlight as well.

GW, Eden, and the Abyss all are areas where there is little sunlight. Even in GW, only the deepest parts have Krills. The beginning does not, and neither does the middle of Ark, where patches of light are.

Krills likely become purified by intense light.

[half shadow]

I want to know more about ocean krill. The one from Angie’s memory looked relatively small, I wonder if they spawn in water

[rustic heron]

Smaller light creatures wander off from their groups, descending deeper as their light is drawn from them. They grow to weak to surface, and corrupt further until they turn into krill.

Adult Krill can likely breed and live in the depths.

[keen shore]

Oh, so it’s like how whales die from eventually getting too old and weak to return to the surface and breathe?

[rustic heron]

That’s my thinking. It also explains the large number of lanterns in Forest. Mantas are drawn to the light so they don’t corrupt. Otherwise, they might too grow too weak and corrupt from the onslaught of corrupted rain.

Even better. Perhaps what corrupts the light creatures are dark plankton/algae. This is why Krills look like their shedding; they’re covered in dark algae or plankton from the abyss, and it constantly feeds on their light, covering them in a shell.

[keen shore]

I don’t think you can purify krills after they’ve already fully converted without killing them entirely, (although I could be wrong). They just seem too twisted from their original forms and too much like they’ve been reanimated to return to looking normal and alive as… whatever creatures they were before. I would imagine they either just disintegrate or whatever force is reanimating them and keeping them together burns away and they fall apart into a pile of bones and rotting flesh

[rustic heron]

Depressing, but likely the case considering the bones present in Forest.

[keen shore]

I don’t think the bones present in forest are from krill, I think if they were they’d be a lot… sharper? At the very least and possibly darker as well. If we saw krill remains we’d probably mistake them as something like a sheet of metal sticking out from the ground before we realized what they actually were.

Also keep in mind the mantas in hidden forest, especially the ones you free from the darkness plants, seem to stick around you a lot — either to protect you from losing your flame or to protect themselves

[rustic heron]

It’s likely Big Fish Boi, or another of its kind, corrupted as well. The resulting bones were covered in darkness plants, likely the remains of the corruption eating away at the light creature.

I suspect corruption manifests as a moss, fungus, or algae blanket, and can develop into limb or other extensions as it corrupts the light creature.

This is likely why Krills are so large; the algae corrupts the plant and grows extensions. Darkness plants tend to be spiny, and this is likely no exception.

When the creature dies, the extensions die off, too far from the bones to suck the remaining life.

[keen shore]

I think the major form of corruption (in ancestors at least) is the darkness plants because they’re shown to be growing out of someone’s chest in the tearful light miner memory, although not sure if it manifests differently for larger creatures

[rustic heron]

Do we know darkness plants are plants? They look to have fungal spores pods, and they look a little like mushrooms.
I’m trying to push a fungus narrative, but I think it’s reasonable to say the plants aren’t really plantlike despite my bias.

Funguses also thrive in the dark, and there are many species of marine fungi. Small, the size of plankton, but they thrive of the sea floor bed and the abyssal regions of the ocean.

[nimble ingot]

Dark plants seem to resemble light blooms. Except they have thorns on the edge of their leaves and have spores (the white bulbs and/or the spiky pods)

If they are similar plants, the dark plants can have a stronger connection with fungi. Since light blooms can grow on tree trunks.

[rustic heron]

It was the fungus amongus that killed the world of sky.

This entire thread may or may not have been an attempt at an amongus joke.

[keen shore]

Darkness plants is kind of a misomer — they could be fungi (or even a stationary kind of animal. Now that’s an odd thought) but it’s not like we can dissect them, plus it’s the common name for them, so it’s what I usually use!

[rustic heron]

I was wondering if one could sauté darkness plants, but that seems unlikely since they burn away when exposed to light.

[frigid tinsel]

I found it, the single diamond surrounded by two half diamonds symbol is in Treasure Reef too

[wise rampart]

the half diamonds form one

[frigid tinsel]

Valley Elder(s)

[wise rampart]

oh wow

[frigid tinsel]

there's a quip, a tweet I can't track down, talking about the Golden Valley, which is now the Valley of Triumph and Golden Wasteland. I believe this symbol represents the Golden Valley Elders, now Wasteland Elder and Valley Elder(s). they ruled that realm together, at least divided their authority between them.

[pastel brook]

[frigid tinsel]

I'm onto something

[wise rampart]

oh neat

[keen shore]

THATS WHERE IT WAS!! I remembered seeing it on buildings a ton in golden wasteland but there are barely any buildings of that style in the base realm at all so I got confused when I couldn’t find it lol

Keep in mind the architecture of those specific buildings resembles the architecture of a lot of valley buildings a lot. That exact brick and roof style is used for village of dream houses, for example

Obviously we run into the same issue with valley as with wasteland where, outside of seasonal areas, we don’t get tons of architecture to look at, and a chunk of what you can see is beside either racetrack, where you can’t exactly stop to look at it. Plus with village of dreams you can argue that since it’s lower down the mountain and closer to wasteland the culture somehow mingled with theirs, with a lot of people from wasteland moving there to be closer to the city. Personally I do think they were the same realm once, it’s just important to note that the architecture justification can be easily explained away by other things

Side note while we’re talking about wasteland architecture. You know those T shaped giant brick structures you find along the coast in the first area, and (I think) you can see them again parallel to the first line and far to the left. Since they’re all in a straight line I can’t help but imagine they were all connected to each other in one unbroken wall, but the different pieces fell apart from each other over the years. Wonder what their function was…

[frigid tinsel]

yea I thought that could've been a wall or at least a bridge. I'm leaning more toward bridge due to the lack of wall. could've had watchmen stations periodically along the bridge overlooking the water since, given the pier on the right and the distant factory on the left, those bodies of water might've seen a lot of traffic onboarding and offloading under the bridge.

[keen shore]

Bridge definitely implies area was more flooded than before, which opens up an interesting side point given the dock for the boat leading to forgotten ark — wonder if that entire season takes place after the water receded. (Also, it’s weird that a lot of the abyss architecture got flooded, but the rest of wasteland architecture seems to imply all the water there receded?)

[hushed steeple]

where did you find that ?

[hushed steeple]

A longplay of Fe for ps4. Completely different non-sky game but the similarity was so striking I had to highlight it sky-wise anywho. the role and image of this structure is completely different, but is still the last area of the game, you only see it like this when it zooms out for like 2 seconds

[hushed steeple]

can you send me the link of the video please? ^^

Sure thing! I liked the creature deigns a lot but could get absolutely no idea what the story way haha! As vague as sky too!

[ionic cave]

I wonder which planet's sky is sky located 😶, are there creatures beneath the sky?

New season idea....sky children dive even deeper that the abyss. What's beneath the sky 😳

[hushed steeple]

Thats a struggle to read.

But its likely to be its own planet as switch trailer has people traveling from outside the kingdom to enter sky kingdom, which is a kingdom and not literally entirely in the sky.

There is another planet in the end credits!

[late wasp]

Cave of Prophecy also implies the Ancestors simply created Flying Stones too.
So the Sky Kingdom is just floating over the real surface.

The Beach levels are likely on the surface too.

[wise rampart]

that or it’s a mountain range, with eden being the highest peak

[ionic cave]

It's just that whenever I chibi fall it's either clouds or water down there 😌

Like in valley....it gives me the impression that these are large floating structures amoung the clouds 😳

[hushed steeple]

Sanctuary, isle, n GW, and Abyss, all in an ocean and count for part of the kingdom

[ionic cave]

But we never went beneath the ocean, what if even the oceans are floating in the sky 😳

[hushed steeple]

There is a lot of floating land masses though, its prolly the majority

Floating oceans is a cool idea.

[ionic cave]

Yes...we need to drill down somehow to confirm what is below there 😑

[late wasp]

The current Season is literally us going beneath the ocean?

[ionic cave]

Well we are diving in the ocean ...what I mean is to go even deeper below the land under the ocean.... Either we drop out of the sky or we reach the mantle 🤧

The highest dive down I did was when I jumped down from the international space station replica in the office. It took me a while but I ended up in an vast ocean no signs of land

You know in avatar where you see masses of land just floating in the air. We never heard of people under the sky in the lore. Maybe the planet's surface is mostly water. And there are chunks of water and land floating at a high altitude. This can explain where such powerful aquatic organisms like the krill come from. Since sky has lots of magic and water, the creatures that evolved are these oversized magic sea creatures. Just a shrimp is so terrifying. Maybe the small creatures like the krill can manage to exist in the floating layer and the actual large creatures are deep under the ocean 😳

[keen shore]

So if I’m reading your question right, golden wasteland is below the clouds (hence why we fall into it and why the sky above is covered up by clouds) and that’s why we can dive so deep there! It’s normal ground level

[ionic cave]

I don't know if it's ground level but it's below valley I guess 🤔....and the santuary islands have really vast ocean too

[frigid tinsel]

we got the character cards yall

[keen shore]

I left for 10 minutes, came back and saw it, and almost screamed

[late wasp]

what's that?

[frigid tinsel]

#news

[late wasp]

||i have the entire server muted except for the lore channel lol||

[frigid tinsel]

i only get notifs from the Rules & News category but i check whatever other channels i'm interested in sometimes. lore chat sees the most of me

[harsh pecan]

WAIT WHAT

[frigid tinsel]

Ceasing Commodore character card: #news message

[keen shore]

Same, the rules and news category and lorechat are the only two ones I have unmuted. There’s way too many people in either main discussion channel for me to enter it without feeling overwhelmed

[hushed steeple]

I just shout things into the void everywhere else. Sometimes its fun but it gets old fast.

[late wasp]

upsetting lore: TLP is King

[harsh pecan]

[late wasp]

seems to be what is accidentally implied in the scholar in the Starlit Desert

another observation: dark water lore might be very important. specially by how in the concept art "forgetting" was an element in the game.

[rapid crane]

ayyooo lore chat, i was wondering if there's any lore about dark plants here? like why they only grow at specific areas (just like how spirits were placed at certain areas) and why they gave our light once we burnt them? am i reading too much on it or was it only for game's sake👁️ 👄 👁️ pings r welcomed 🗿 🤚

[late wasp]

Concept Art

[rustic heron]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why not remembering something is an element

[rapid crane]

wait sooo based on this, its more bc of the toxic rain that traps it? and it spreads around? thank you for sharing that!

[rustic heron]

I distinctly remember making a post about that. Let me find it.

[rustic heron]

I found it: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

My current idea on darkness plants is that the blue glow from inside comes from other spirits trapped within. It seems to be a theory supported by the concept art above but I’m not entirely sure if it’s still canon

[harsh pecan]

Although I don’t think TLP is canon, it’s still a very good theory imo

[willow prawn]

Hello, I just come here to say: Ceasing Commodore makes puns? Dad headcanon confirmed

[harsh pecan]

Dad jokes

[frigid tinsel]

darkness seems to be a force that wants to grab and hold onto light. dark plants grow when darkness is able to contain more light. darkness also seems capable to restricting light creatures, perhaps sucking off their light like parasites, though idk the mechanism by which they are able to catch light creatures, but they do as seen with mantas and birds. by burning/melting darkness, we release the light inside them, which we get back.

darkness thrives in dark places, which is why they are plentiful in caves and Golden Wasteland. they also thrive in Forest because of the rain, which we believe to be polluted with darkness, parallel to irl acid rain.

[maiden fog]

I wondrr what the building in all areas of wasteland use to look like. I am trying to sketch it out but there just inst enought details and who knows whta is under the sand.

[keen shore]

The architecture under the water in treasure reef is a good jumping off point; a lot of the buildings there seem at least superficially similar

[maiden fog]

Okay thanks 😊

[formal skiff]

Does anyone know any lore or have any theories about [abyss spoilers if you haven’t managed to glitch into the room] ||the large many-eyed beast in the tank with the krill?||

[brisk ginkgo]

ABYSS SPOILERS

||I've tried but always ran out of air. It seems to be more solid than normal krill, and the room next to it looks like normal architecture that was flooded.||

[late wasp]

Imma be honest, my Skid can't stand the Little Prince character
holy smokes that dude is a bad vibe

[brisk ginkgo]

What did he ever do to you? Or your sky child in that matter

[late wasp]

like, dude, nobody cares about your plant ex-girlfriend

[formal skiff]

||My friend is good at getting in and i made them take me once lol, i could never do it by myself||

[brisk ginkgo]

||that thing is FAST||

[keen shore]

Tried to teach us what gender was

[harsh pecan]

SORRY I ACCIDENTALLY CALLED YOU

[harsh pecan]

Lmao

[late wasp]

omg he is making a scene and going to eden now
jesus christ

yooooo the krill didn't attack TLP
what

I wanted to comment recently how the Krill does not attack the Crabs, but they do attack Creatures, Spirits and Skids.

Is the implication here that TLP's heart is a void and he is actually a sociopath that tells sob stories as a form of tor ture?

[wise rampart]

It likely did not recognize him as a threat in the way that it recognizes us

[frigid tinsel]

the little prince and crabs don't have light, skykids and light creatures do

[late wasp]

Krill are not intelligent. There is no retention of memory, like how I can just hide under a tent and in the Krill's brain I vanished into another universe.

[frigid tinsel]

krill don't have object permanence

[keen shore]

I mean, considering we literally glow from the inside, I’m pretty sure they don’t have to put much effort into remembering we have light inside us while other things don’t

I wonder if there’s a comparison to made between the thin shell of darkness we have to burn away from spirits and our outer “shell” (not entirely sure what to call it)

[late wasp]

headcanon: GW Elder singing Disney Encanto's Surface Pressure

[frigid tinsel]

has not seen Encanto but wants to.

[late wasp]

||Under the surface||
||I feel berserk as a tightrope walker in a three-ring circus||
||Under the surface||
||Was Hercules ever like "Yo, I don't wanna fight Cerberus"?||
||Under the surface||
||I'm pretty sure I'm worthless if I can't be of service||

[harsh pecan]

||A flaw or a crack
The straw in the stack
That breaks the camel's back
What breaks the camel's back it's
Pressure like a drip, drip, drip that'll never stop, whoa
Pressure that'll tip, tip, tip 'till you just go pop, whoa||

[late wasp]

||Give it to your sister, it doesn't hurt||
||And see if she can handle every family burden||
||Watch as she buckles and bends but never breaks||

and then rewatch GW Elder cutscene, and how they are tired...

[lofty void]

w h a t

❔❔

[ionic cave]

I just realised....sky is really small , we can literally cross over the 6 realms in like less than half an hour. Any thoughts on this?

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine in-universe Sky is physically bigger. Areas we can’t get to cos of invisible barriers, other rooms with doors we can’t open cos they’re textures

[late wasp]

Starlit Desert. The Concert Hall.
The spirit there confirms something: "I am the most handsome man on the isle"

Sky Kingdom is just an island with floating islands too. ||Isle of Dawn||

[wise rampart]

chances are we only see small amounts of the kingdom. Valley and wasteland are gargantuan in size, and Eden? Don’t get me started.

[frigid tinsel]

Also that the storm is likely creating all that cloud cover. As the storm recedes, more of the kingdom is unveiled to us

[wise rampart]

The storm will never recede. It’s likely that it is self sustaining

[frigid tinsel]

Except it is. Clouds that once covered seasonal areas are gone. Also we don’t know for sure whether the storm, when it first went off, covered the entire Sky world at a time or not. Perhaps it had — why else had it been so long before skykids were sent here

[ionic cave]

But the 6 realms are they really physically connected?, If they are physically connected then all the other seasonal areas would have to branch of from there 🤔. It's weird an entire planet connected to 6 small areas

[wise rampart]

the switch trailer shows that sky is not just the planet, and there are other areas. It’s just that eden is here.

[late wasp]

It's not an entire planet. We are only seeing a kingdom in that planet.

[frigid tinsel]

Also nothing has infinite power, even supposed “self-sustaining” structures all wear out in time, whether by escaping energy or parts wearing out. Even black holes will dissipate extremely slowly due to Hawking radiation. The corrupted diamond powering the storm may be wearing out extremely slowly but it will wear out. Perhaps someday it’ll be weak enough to be approachable.

[keen shore]

New theory. All the “kingdom” that we can actually see is just the capital and surrounding area of a much larger, more expansive kingdom. Valley and Wasteland were the former capital, Eden was the reason they were built nearby. The first three realms’ purposes are just to help support the city (like growing food and producing materials)

[ionic cave]

So the game won't expand beyond the sky kingdom 🥺?

[wise rampart]

yea. and I agree with Alasdair. The mountains near the isle are covered by clouds and aren’t in the switch trailer

[late wasp]

it already has. a couple of times actually. Treasure Reef is not part of the Isle of Dawn. Neither is Sanctuary. You can count these places are their own micro-nations. Independent from the Sky Kingdom.

[wise rampart]

for all of the excess cloud to recede and the full scale of the mountain range to be revealed would take a lot of time

[keen shore]

Important to note that clouds are still visible in the trailer, just not quite as much of them. Could be possibly explained by simple changes in weather

[frigid tinsel]

we don't know if those places are independent of the Sky kingdom, although they very likely were part of it.

[wise rampart]

places like the ark, treasure reef. I think sanctuary is only a short distance from the birds nest.

[late wasp]

They don't seem to be part of the larger fabric of the Kingdom, like independent with their own culture and values.

[ionic cave]

Is TGC gonna make aqua: children of the sea or something next 🤔

[frigid tinsel]

TGC: write that down write that down

[ionic cave]

I personally would like to see sky develop into a universal level game with other planets and alien civilization , versitile and varied game mechanics...sort of like minecraft

[keen shore]

This is due to one of the seasons you mentioned (sanctuary) having stuff that isn’t fully canon, mostly cosmetics. Both wasteland seasons’ spirits are travelers from other places entirely who shipwrecked on an island there some way or another. (Also, keep in mind abyss architecture lines up pretty well with known wasteland and valley architecture)

You can make a larger case for this idea with cosmetics, but keep in mind since they’re meant to be unique and enticing, seasonal cosmetics are by default going to be more complex — and we only see a small % of spirits to reference in the base game to begin with

[late wasp]

My dream scenario will probably never happen, BUT
I wish TGC made another game within the same universe. One where you play as another group of people, but Void people.
You go and explore the game as usual, collecting Red Crystal shards and all. Avoiding the Light.

Now the twist: Sky:CotL and this Proposed Game share the same Servers. Essentially both SkyKids and VoidKids would be playing together. As opposing sides.

[ionic cave]

Lol we already overpowered by krills...there better be light krills to support us...

[keen shore]

Adding on to this, the question of where exactly the enchantment and abyss spirits came from is uh… hard to answer to say the least

[keen shore]

To make up for this discrepancy, the spirits will try to beat dark children up with their bare hands

[ionic cave]

😳

[late wasp]

The architecture in Treasure Reef are ruins. I'm not talking about that, but about the Abyss Crew. But Abyss Crew comes from GW according to TGC Live.

About Sanctuary, what I mean is how they don't use Crystals, or Crystal-tech, or are importing/exporting anything from the Kingdom. And how they are friendly to Creatures, etc. It's another culture, other values.

[frigid tinsel]

rubs hands together why wait for another game when you can write corrupted skykids into your fanfic?

[brisk ginkgo]

Dang I wrote a bunch of stuff and then Discord crashed

[brisk ginkgo]

Sanctuary is below Bird's Nest. If you look below the clouds in the nest, you'll see water. Once you enter Sanctuary, you're above it a bit, and the main island is to your right.
Sanctuary is also "An escape from daily civilization" so it might be something like a national park in Sky standards.

[keen shore]

That is my logic on why the jellyfish mural is so hidden, jellyfish whisperer tried to sneak it in there where they thought no one would notice them violating the rules of not to paint anywhere

[ionic cave]

How are sky kids born 😑

[late wasp]

when a mother darkness loves a father megabird

[lofty void]

NO

[wise rampart]

sent by the light to cleanse the darkness

[ionic cave]

What is the light, where is it?

The way I see it, human will materialized in the sky world 🤔.....

We know where their consciousness comes from, we lend a part of our processing power temporarily to a sky kid

[wise rampart]

the light is a concept more than anything. At the end of Eden, we return to the light

[ionic cave]

Lol I got nothing

Where are the professional lore enthusiasts

[wise rampart]

ouch

[ionic cave]

😂

The real question is are we role playing as sky kids or are we the real mind of the sky kid. It's like are we supposed to be the sky kid or are we just pretending

[frigid tinsel]

this one's suffering a headache

[ionic cave]

Does a sky kid already exist without us and we are role playing as a sky kid within the game or is a sky kid something that exists because of us...like sky calling outsiders for help?

[frigid tinsel]

that's getting rather meta.
well, the players play as the skykids. in game, the skykids are our avatars – we are the skykids. in universe, they prob exist on their own.

[ionic cave]

If only there was a memory of a sky kid. Cause actual players don't come as past memories right. We need to find a non player sky kid to prove it

[frigid tinsel]

there is what looks like a skykid in Stargazer's memory, who is likely Chosen One, the one who first completed the Trials in the Cave of Prophecies. but they appear to be the only skykid who existed during the kingdom's reign.

[ionic cave]

Stargazer?

[wise rampart]

a spirit in isle

[frigid tinsel]

Ushering Stargazer, one of the three spirits in the Isle

[ionic cave]

Ahhhh I call that the follow me spirit 😂

Then there is another abnormality, why did the sky kid arrive in Isle but not home space?

[frigid tinsel]

kefksdlajjnsdkhbselae

[ionic cave]

Maybe the home space was built later for sky kids.....but then how do you redirect falling sky kids to home space?

[frigid tinsel]

Chosen One was prob sent with some other task given the ancestors were, well, alive when they arrived. Homespace prob didn't exist back then. all the other skykids around now arrived with all the ancestors dead and devastation having wrecked the world with the explicit job of saving the spirits and the implicit task of taking care of the Sky world. Homespace was prob made for them.

also there was a brief period of time last year when we were born in Isle, I don't know why that was changed. I distinctly remember being born in Isle and I stubbornly consider that canon because it makes the most sense narrative-wise

[ionic cave]

I see, so sky kids are independent of us....also the first sky kid completed the trails in the cave of prophecy?

[frigid tinsel]

yes, Chosen One completed the trials, as depicted on the cave murals in there.

[ionic cave]

Woah, hope someone is recording these findings..it would be very useful if there was a lore collection channel...the most popular theories get published 😎

[frigid tinsel]

there are the lore moth doc and the theory vault doc, which are outdated but hold a lot of the popular theories. there are also some of Jam's stuff. I'm eventually going to write my own

[ionic cave]

Is Jam a famous lore enthusiast?

[frigid tinsel]

Jam has a lot of docs and was really active in this channel. they left the server recently, idk why

[wise rampart]

in gratitude, I was born in isle

[ionic cave]

Owhh, Jam mysteriously disappeared after uncovering sky's hidden secrets 😎

[wise rampart]

not something to be taken lightly unfortunately. I hope they are well.

[ionic cave]

Lol, yea

[frigid tinsel]

interesting. I'm a Little Prince moth and was born in Isle, but I know before and after that moths were born in Home.

[ionic cave]

So moths these days are born in Isle?

[frigid tinsel]

from what I heard, they're born in Home these days

edit, brain bad, should go to bed

[ionic cave]

Nice.....next step is discovering the origin of sky kids...for a later date //to be continued

[rigid mural]

Jam's busy with work afaik, probably why he left. Though I doubt it's the only reason.

[frigid tinsel]

just hope he's okay

[rigid mural]

I will shoot him a message, kinda need an update on his part of the new moth doc anyway.

[weak osprey]

I like how now we can categorize players based on their first seasons when they were born. Mine was Enchantment

[hushed steeple]

Dreams moff here, had my Sky birthday recently

[harsh pecan]

Same- my Sky bday was in December tho

[half shadow]

TLP moth!

[tidal valve]

Oh jam left? Sad haven’t been active in lore chat bf I’ve been busy lately oWo

Oh cool they introduced the ceasing commodore! not tooo much lore in his description but maybe the other spirits will share a few morsels?

[tacit sedge]

is there skybot pea lore??

[tidal valve]

I think people have discussed it as a joke, but its funny to think about

[harsh pecan]

Maybe Canoneer will have some lore about the harpoon

[half shadow]

AAAAAH THEY’RE SO COOL!! You can SO obviously see the Viking style inspiration here it really stands out!

I wonder if they’ll be introduced based on their “ranks?” Commodore first, then probably Boatswain if that was the case

[tidal valve]

Oh maybe! I’m not sure if flight was introduced in a particular order

I’m interested to know a little more about cackle, bc of the harpoon, weapon making/ crafting isn’t super explored in sky as boat crafting so lore wise I’d be interested to learn a little more about that

Also interested in the flight guide, and what their role is within the ships crew, I feel like for me personally I don’t really understand her character just yet, but I’d be very keen to learn a little more

[boreal nebula]

WOW

[chrome sequoia]

I don't know if this counts as lore but I need to know. Theoretically would you be able to use a resize potion on a crab and make it giant??? Maybe even a krill??

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, it could be another interesting way to see it...
But maybe between the two I guess only Past Reenacted could explain the rocks we destroyed with help of mantas. Yet I would be curious to see how you could explain that first @frigid tinsel @hushed steeple

[boreal nebula]

Like that (with the diamond symbol, similar to ) but IMHO alot taller than Valley Door to GW

[hushed steeple]

That person was the King btw

[hollow acorn]

With all due respect, when I scroll up on this channel, I found an infinite lore discussion. I realized how the history of lore interpretation was and that TGC was providing too few lore

[static meteor]

their cape looks so warm and fluffy...

[static meteor]

they keep teasing us with lore tidbits and im crying

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[weak osprey]

So, here's a question. What happens when a player stops playing? Like their skykid never comes back. A death, I suppose.

[thin dirge]

Tbh, its just that the lore is just soooo embedded into the world and environment of Sky, that people barely notice it. The lore is just scattered everywhere and was used to create the environment and atmosphere of the world. And people just see it soo often they dont realize its there in their faces. Thats how I see it at least.

Tbh, how the story is left with merely "crumbs", is actually extremely fitting storytelling considering how the Kingdom had fallen for probs for a long time, maybe even a thousand years or more. Leaving only remnants of its past behind

The way I interpret the timeline is through the realms itself. Guessing the rough timeline through the progression of realms, with how realms represents the Progression of Civilisation, + Stages of Life (For Prince and King)

Also, speaking of lore crumbs.... Got a lore crumb for the birth of "the Light". Exactly as how I interpreted it, lol

"From Darkness, Light is born"

[weak osprey]

EXPLAIN

[thin dirge]

This is from ThatSkyShop, Box of Courage. I think it was mentioned some stuff there was written by the narrative team (the peeps who work on the lore)

It has given lore crumbs in some of its poems, but ye

[thin dirge]

If you're asking about "the Light", its pretty much the canonical name of "Orbit" (place where you're reborn) in the World of Sky. Which is pretty much at the center of Megabird, pretty much at the center of everything.

I say its the canonical name because thats what Orbit was referred to when you got 100% of a constellation, and click on the constellation center when not in Orbit. "Visit The Light to get rewards" or something like that. Also mentioned at the Return Shrine when you go to Home when in PNR. Also mentioned when a moth and visit Prairie for the first time, the very last line of the tutorial.

"The Light" is mentioned to be at the very center of the "Universe" in "Making Of The Little Prince", Part 5 of the Series.

[late wasp]

Although the Light is also used elsewhere. Like "the Light is in Eden" (which granted, can still be about the Orbit), but also something like "use your Light to reveal the path".

[thin dirge]

Though, we're talking about THE Light. Not just normal light.

Then again, my interpretation is that every single light source is more like a fragment of THE Light in a sense. Making essentially every single being born from it an incarnation of it as well, and then together, they make up what we know as the Megabird

Though "the Light" I was referring to was specifically the one in Orbit. Not every single mention of "light" will be referring to that one of course.

[neat flint]

Can I have the link of Part 5 about TLP making? I can only see 4 parts

[thin dirge]

Here! Luckily I bookmarked all parts
https://mobile.twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1456362411414351894

[nimble ingot]

There are the realm constellations in his body, that is cool ❤️

[nimble ingot]

Someone once told me one can lose their account after it has not been used in a long time.
Though that question would be better answered in #questions-and-help channel for an official answer.

[wise rampart]

That’s what my friends and I did before we came back for a photoshoot recently. We went to eden one last time and never came back

[rigid mural]

If you mean in canon, I guess your skykid follows the ones they saved and stays among the stars, falling back in the realms if you decide to pick the game back up.

[boreal nebula]

I thought there were 2 colorS in Sanctuary Quest Murals, but they le mono chromatic. Anyway,there are 2 colors displayed in there, blue and yellow

[nimble ingot]

interesting.
You were right about the colours. The murals in the realms can be blue or yellow, though there are not red murals.
I wonder if the colours would mean something.

Perhaps yellow is for the past, and blue/white is for the present?
Or the colours represent who is telling the story?

[boreal nebula]

Maybe There is a meaning but I for now only see I color choice for an optimal visibility/contrast

[boreal nebula]

I wondered how those were called. I see them used alot IRL for electricity lines

BTW I don't think that there's any mentioning in game about "darkstones". It could be a scratched concept or even one held secret for later DLC content

For the moment the only thing I believe it's official is that Tearful Ligth Miner is mining some light crystal (and maybe these are finally visible only with Abyss) ||unless we count the blue crystal from one of the petriefied Sky Kids 1.0s in Eden||

[boreal nebula]

Maybe we cannot purify them entirely

But I also started to wonder, what did devs mean by "corrupted"

For example we sometimes make a distinction between peaceful and angry crabs are the later being corrupted

Could it be that Light Dragon were exactly the same shape (maybe unburnt) and later got corrupted just in their behaviours?

Sadly we didn't get much of explaination from Angsty Angler..

1. Did they see that "light drafon" and thought it was safe for them?
2. Did they missed to spot the "krill" and thought they were wrong about that dreadful presence they felt?

[nimble ingot]

True, the name darkstone came from the concept art. I wonder if the season of Abyss possibly refered to the crystal at some point.

The concept art calls the item, dark stone, artificial stars, power diamonds, and batteries.
The the abyss season game hints call it resources.

That is either a vague name for the crystals, to keep it as a hidden piece of lore. Or the devs did not want to give these "resources" a canon name yet.

[hushed steeple]

They are new rocks imported from newly reopened GW portal corruption. “The actions you did to help the skyways take place in your skykids time”. They like, flew out of GW after you unplugged it, flushed around current day flight gates and smacked onto the areas to block it up.

[boreal nebula]

Sorry not native, Idk what it means the pun hint

[boreal nebula]

Which is a bit sad for me 🔵:slouch:

[boreal nebula]

But I don't understand what pun is implied there 😅

[willow prawn]

No pun! The infocard says "we aren't sure if his puns are intentional or not"

And puns are Dad™️ Registered Mark

[hushed steeple]

Ship and pirate jokes.

The reason they get the diamonds so cheap is because they shop on sail

They are card sharks, as they always have all hands on deck

And love of the salty ocean waves, always sure to wave back

[boreal nebula]

Completely agree on dark places where Dark Plants have a better grip, it abit odd how you can find it in Sanctuary too , since is very sunny , but plants tend to grow inside or near rhe borders of caves to help this interpretation

Maybe they reached Sanctuary with some shipment of materials (like those that were added with the Polluted Geyser) or maybe also with spores on some stowaway crabs. I think darkplants can live on the Polluted Beach because they can get enough energy to sustain themself from the geyser and the golden thingies (which we don't know yet if they're accumulators of energy) ||these accumulators/batteries seems to resonate with the spikes of energy produced by the Geyser, and since they start to emit air like the 5 mini holes underwater around the central crater, I think there are other batteries buried there||

How do the plants trap Mantas? Idk, but I once read a joke about the dumplings from Grandma's Diner Event similarities with those dark bulbs... so I fonder if those have extra sweet coatings that lure animals, but maybe if cooked they get the extra wax that we then release

[hushed steeple]

Option 1: mantas have 1/2 a braincell and crash into the dark plant.

Option 2: they just land for a nap and the things grow around them.

[boreal nebula]

Scary Naps

It's possible that they are not always the same mantas to get trapped there (with the same 1/2 of braincell) maybe there is cycle of new young mantas passing there and experiencing it for the first time (like any baby human, not yet sure what "playing with fire" means)

If those were the same old mantas over and over... Oh, Megabird, what a messy half braincell that is..!

[boreal nebula]

Maybe he is just a tourist from another planet/world, so is not light based per se like us
*flies away, carried by birds strings*

[hushed steeple]

The darkness orbs look so much like grandma bread mantas can’t resist

Its all grandmas fault for feeding the strays

[boreal nebula]

Btw it's almost as crabs hide in the sand to avoid krills too (even if not specified by any game mechanics interaction between them)

The only interaction I once got was, being chased by a krill who Krilled me while I was avoiding a crab (I was risking to get headbumped away from krill targeting) so I got hit by the crab an instant after the krill

It kind of seemed the krill dash attack didn't proceed ahead (behind me) as it uses to, I think I saw it returning back (in front of me)🤣

To attack me, crab headbumped the Krill

[late wasp]

Interesting point. Maybe a Crab Shell "hides" them from the Krill the same way our tents do.
||which furthers confuse why the Prince was ignored||

Also, we can solve this. Does our Wing replenish by touching the Prince? Because if it does, he is a creature of Light.

[boreal nebula]

I... think it does, but that could be a psychological effect... like when highfive/double highfive to refill most our light (first time you use a hug/h5/dh5 you get more light than what you will later on)

PS I dont remember if I've ever tested one of the halloween free spells like the Crab Hat, to avoid krills

[late wasp]

In the Isle they say that "creatures of Light" in general will refill your Wing. I think all you need is to be in close proximity to them, basically.

[odd pagoda]

So does Abyss take part after the fall of the Sky Kingdom? It looks like the Abyss Crew are exploring ruins

[wise rampart]

I believe so, they’re just survivors trying to survive

[late wasp]

Yes. They are people from the Golden Wastelands. What is left of it. Turned into Scavengers. It is said during the TGC Live broadcast of the Abyss update.

[half shadow]

Has it been stated that this explicitly takes place after the Storm?

[keen shore]

Since they’re scavengers from other parts of GW, it seems to be implied, or at the very least possible. If it’s true that opens up the possibility that the original inhabitants of treasure reef didnt abandon everything because they were running away from something, but just got killed from the storm

[late wasp]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was implied. I will rewatch the Livestream later and type down actual quotes.

[half shadow]

Yeah, I think that makes sense. My other theory that I don’t know if it’s disproved yet is that they were pre-Storm, running cargo to the GW (perhaps during the war?) and were stuck stranded in the Reef, where they then began to scavenge for supplies. And I think that’d be super helpful of you Sophos!

[keen shore]

Yeah, I can totally see them being cargo runners! Maybe you can even merge the two theories and say that they survived from having a ship that could already hold a lot of resources and used that to their advantage. The season taking place post storm isn’t proven iirc but is a common headcanon based off the idea that they’re scavenging to survive

[frigid tinsel]

Personally I think the facility in Treasure Reef was attacked (civil war, anyone?) or something went very wrong thus subsequently abandoned. The scavengers could’ve come long after that pre-Storm or after the Storm and are trying to survive

[keen shore]

The facility seems to have been abandoned, given the presence of Assorted Giant Murder Monsters giving them a motivation, the fact that all the doors have been purposefully shut with no ability to open them barring forcibly removing the darkstone keeping them closed, and (you can argue this point but it’s kind of up in the air) the murals possibly having been painted as warnings to whoever came later to not stay too long or explore too deep. Also iirc all the boats left on the island are destroyed, so you can interpret that as everyone leaving on the destroyed ones

[rigid mural]

Maybe the facility was abandoned before the storm too, see the wall paintings with the danger worm. Plenty reasons to pack up and leave.

[keen shore]

It’s really interesting how preserved the ruins in the reef are compared to the other ruins in wasteland, maybe the water somehow protected them?

[rigid mural]

typical mines of moriah trope where they dug so deep they awakened the balrog

[frigid tinsel]

Treasure Reef seems very far from the edges of the storm, so the destruction of the storm could’ve just missed it

[keen shore]

Also a fair point, or maybe wasteland didn’t have too much buildings to begin with. There’s such a drastic difference both in quality/number of ruins

[rigid mural]

If the wastelands used to be marshlands or at least very wet, then perhaps the continental buildings got damaged sinking in the ground and being eroded by sand, while the insular ones didn't sink as they were on what appears to be a rocky reef. Perhaps the water protected what's underwater from desert sand erosion.

This Italian village has been underwater for a bit more than 70 years. Not enough damage to not recognize buildings

[late wasp]

I'm taking notes of the livestream, but just a comment.
Switch trailer shows an entirely continent that was submerged by the ocean, leaving only a "Isle" of Dawn behind.

This explains the rising sea level in Treasure Reef.

[keen shore]

It does, I think I know what you’re talking about. The question is why?? I might be overlooking something but a massive earthquake/explosion doesn’t seem like it would cause much in the way of permanent flooding beyond the possible initial tsunami

[frigid tinsel]

reasons for sea level rising include 1) glaciers or other bodies of frozen water melting 2) large displacement of land

[late wasp]

Livestream Points:

Rudi: The Season of Abyss was created by the same team that brought the Little Prince Season. Which explains how they are very direct and focused in the narrative. They were asked to create anything they were excited about.

From the beginning they had underwater on their mind. Most of the team have water-related hobbies, and the lead designer already had a underwater prototype ready. They also wanted to do something that was opposite of the Season of Flight.

The tone they were going for was a thriller or monster movie. A new kind of tone never tried before in Sky. Jaws and Jurassic Park were used as inspirations. These inspirations can be felt in the music too.

They also were thinking about what they wanted to share of Sky:CotL a little more, what kind of lore, and they "wanted to elaborate a little bit on the lifestyle of some people from dusk (Wasteland) and... um... [they] also thought, you know, maybe let's shed a little little on some of the ecology of the creatures in [Sky:CotL]"

"The spirits this season are kind of inspired by historical norse culture, but not like the vikings everybody thinks of... so instead of that our lead artist Yui was researching other peoples from those communities that don't really get as much attention, kinda like the regular people like you know the boat builders, the farmers, so he... um... "

[frigid tinsel]

bless you Sophos for writing all this down in one place

[late wasp]

These two sentences makes it sound like Wasteland Culture is Nordic.

[rigid mural]

When was the stream ? Is it the outcome of that tweet where they asked people to ask their questions ?

[late wasp]

https://youtu.be/j65_plfuJho
It was Alice from TGC asking Rudi, producer of SoA, some questions.

[keen shore]

I’m going to guess the second. I know it’s weirder, but I get the feeling that the first one wouldn’t cause nearly as dramatic of a change in such an already large body of water unless almost everything was frozen, which doesn’t seem correct given the trailer

[rigid mural]

I see I see, I think I was here on the last minutes (unless I confused with another stream ?)

[late wasp]

Another thing can cause a drastic increase in Sea Level: the moon. Because when it is closer to Earth, its gravitational pull causes the water of the ocean to rise.
Likewise, an Orbiting body could be the cause of the increase in sea levels in Sky:CotL

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I was just listing what I knew off the top of my head. I think the second too because we haven't seen a lot of frozen places in Sky aside from Valley and it still seems very frozen. it's possible the storm created large displacements of land.

just had the thought that dams and dikes breaking can increase the water level, but those would flood the land, not increase the sea level

[keen shore]

I get listing all the possible causes! I was just trying to add which one I thought was more likely :3c

The only possible other frozen place I can think of is wasteland because I remember one of the pin poems mentioning it was cold? Although this could just be because all the clouds refuse to let any warming sunlight through

[late wasp]

So they are in a Post-Apocalyptic scenario, and formed a group of peoples from different walks of life. Cannoneer is thus, an ex-Cannoneer.

[lyric isle]

is anything mentioned about the accursed breathing in the stream

[keen shore]

“Cannoneer is an ex cannoneer” is one of the saddest sentences I’ve ever read in this chat

[lyric isle]

off season questgiver is an ex questgiver (I like to believe they’re at Home right now at the boat) and here we are

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer lost their cannon in the war, that's why they have a gun

[keen shore]

I feel so bad for the old off season quest giver. Imagine losing your job to a statue

[lyric isle]

i am campaigning for some form of reimplementation

feedback go brrrrr
please drop some if you haven’t yet if you want

sorry to randomly bring that up but just. i’m very happy they’re here right now but why couldn’t it have been at the offseason

i’m going to be all depressive at the offseason again h

[keen shore]

Make them a ghost bouncer. They stand in front of constellation gates and if you try to enter them without meeting the requirements they punt you a safe distance away

[frigid tinsel]

that's the Sleepy Traveller. I like to think the off-season questgiver retired to Sanctuary Islands and is having a nice long vacation

[keen shore]

What even would be cannoneers old cannons?? The king shaped turrets in wasteland? I don’t think we’ve seen cannons before

[lyric isle]

why couldn’t the merch wave have been at the offseason

@frigid tinsel yeah but it’s a comfort headcanon is all

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer piloting the king turrets fills me with fear

[late wasp]

I will keep updating the original message with what Rudi says, I will post here once I'm done, but I'm fairly sure they are done with the lore.

Something else I thought, @keen shore , is how in the story of Noah's Ark, he builds an Ark foreseeing the Flood that would take over the world. We also see the people from Sky:CotL building their settlements ever higher and higher, on mountain tops (Eden) or on floating Isles.

Cave of Prophecy even shows the people of Dawn stranded in an isle. And my subjective understanding of the Water Trial is that it shows what's happening to their world: flooding.

[lyric isle]

i’m not letting people forget about them. when abyss nears its end i am going to discuss this a lot again

[late wasp]

Cannoneer clearly works at TGC, since the only canon in game are above their Office.

[rigid mural]

Cannoneer is probably sky florida man, them not having cannons anymore might be for the best.

[late wasp]

Florida Ancestor

[rigid mural]

...headcanon cannoneer is hard of hearing.

[keen shore]

OOOh this is interesting. You could also take the same approach to trial of fire mirroring how the world would eventually be taken over by darkness, and extend it further to all trials being made in that way to endure whoever passed them could deal with the future challenges

[late wasp]

It makes the Flooding to be more gradual, and the Ancestors trying to escape it.

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer using sign language is something I need to see. as well as the whole crew, just for them. new headcanon acquired.

[rigid mural]

FAIR
I just imagine working with explosives would be harsh on eardrums.

[late wasp]

Headcanon is that they are at least deaf from one ear, since there is the whole shattered mask going on.

[keen shore]

This reminds me of my headcanon about spirits using sign language to talk to skykids because

1. skykids can’t form any sounds more complex than a honk
2. hard to speak with Ghost Vocal Cords (to say the least)

[rigid mural]

YOU. I LIKE YOU.

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea i got that. dunno how much the ancestors put into hearing protection

[rigid mural]

I like to think their asymmetrical look was because they had an accident or were at the wrong place at the wrong time. I know some tats can cover surgery scars, hence the shaved half of their head having a triangle pattern lol.

[frigid tinsel]

a cannon exploded next to Cannoneer, they wear that broken mask as a mark of pride. "I lived, b___"

[rigid mural]

Although so far the season is not to my tastes, the spirits grew on me because unlike the ones we met so far, they look like they are taking more time to trust us.
Also the idea of spirits that are morally less good is great. I want to see more endearing spirits that sneakily bypass the law.

[late wasp]

Rudi implies they are a group of survivors, kinda like a Zombie Apocalypse scenario where you find survivors and form a group. Now I like to think the Abyss crew finding the Cannoneer unconscious with half their face blasted. This warrior. And they nurse them back to health.

Cannoneer was even teaching Abyss Guide how to shoot and all, teaching them their Warrior Skills, but applied to this new lifestyle.

[rigid mural]

YES I love how the abyss guide is the baby of the group.

[late wasp]

I like to think they were too young to even know the pre-Storm world

[frigid tinsel]

does make sense of these spirits who've been doing whatever they can to survive hell in a handbasket, prob couldn't even trust other people they met who also might take advantage of them to survive, to be suspicious of a bunch of never before seen flying children who resemble the king that just showed up one day who are trying to send them to a supposed afterlife.

[late wasp]

but I have a funny hat :c
i would trust someone with a funny hat with my life!

[sharp lichen]

season of crime when

Each quest involves you stealing an item from a rich spirit

[late wasp]

A heist quest would be unironically pretty fun!

[keen shore]

All of the cosmetics are free (you are stealing them)

[frigid tinsel]

had an idea for a quest that the skykids would have to steal the "resources" back to do so something with them. at first I was thinking taking the power diamonds in order to open the cages the mantas were in, but instead we took those out. but I'm still banking on that idea

[sharp lichen]

there is nothing i would like more than a noir-themed season where you, along with 6 poor thieves, go around a grimy city and take part in elaborate heists, featuring jazz music

[late wasp]

one quality of TLP is how there is a quest that takes place in Eden
I wish we have at least one quest where we rescue someone that survived the Eden Storm, and bring them back to their Spirit Guide.

would be great for giving a glimpse of what it was like to be a ground zero

[late wasp]

I love this, unironically, I wish we could convince TGC to do this LOL!
It's such a fun and good idea!

[frigid tinsel]

when you're a Little Prince moth and didn't think a seasonal quest in Eden would be unusual cos you had no frame of reference

[sharp lichen]

a jazzy rendition of the main theme

[keen shore]

Imagine the cannoneer seeing us and getting confused because “this was the person my cannons were based off of?? they’re tiny”

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer would punt a skykid 110%. not out of malice of anything, just cos

[late wasp]

🎷

[sharp lichen]

MORE JAZZ IN SKY ITS SO FUNNY

[frigid tinsel]

#news dfdojshkbeshbfkjdlds

[sharp lichen]

Ceasing Commodore canonically does that whenever the crew encounters a krill

[late wasp]

LMAO i actually laughed

[frigid tinsel]

Commodore: keep calm and carry on

[split ice]

do sky kids count as birds?
we have scales or feather like things when we charge

[frigid tinsel]

i'd say they're bird-like but not birds

[grim python]

nah I wouldn’t say so, we’re born without wings technically so

[keen shore]

Losing my mind at the implication that anxiety is caused by a bunch of moths screaming in your head

[frigid tinsel]

everyone, no matter how old they are, is moth

ever heard of our inner child? well skykids got their inner moths

[keen shore]

There’s only one of them but they can separate into 10 different ones at will ||just like the valley elders||

[static meteor]

is it not possible for them to be the same thing?

[rigid mural]

I think skykids would love being thrown tbh

[frigid tinsel]

yeet the skychild

[static meteor]

kick the baby

[nimble ingot]

If a skykid falls into a volcano. Would they melt or become overcharged with light energy?

[frigid tinsel]

i don't think they'd be able to swim in liquid rock but given their imperviousness to fire, hmmm

[rigid mural]

Soup

[late wasp]

I'd say overcharged.

[torn swallow]

And then kaboom, sky kid remains go flying everywhere?

[nimble ingot]

instant ascension.

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-okay-thumbs-up-melt-lava-gif-9214446

[frigid tinsel]

what concerns me in this scenario is their shell. we don't know for sure what their physical body is made of. theories include harden clay, stone, ash, or charcoal. but whatever it's made of seems to have been edited by magic thus bearing qualities that would allow it to withstand forces that would otherwise break it. my personal theory is that it can only be damaged by darkness but as long as light is available, it can heal itself. but idk whether it is capable of withstanding heat that can melt rock.

now i don't like the idea of melting skykids but here it seems to be a competition between absurdly high temperatures and magic.
who would win? divinely-blessed magic or that hot stuff™️

okay so even if a skykid were to melt, I think they'd be fine. they have a soul and that wouldn't be affected by lava. just get another skykid to ascend them

remembering Salem's headcanon that if their flame gets too hot due to fear or high-intensity emotions, that could risk melting their body, so skykids pass out in order to chill and prevent further damage.

[nimble ingot]

I might be going mad here.

I predict a future season would have flying creatures made of stone.

Ones that are familiar to the war machines (stone serpents, or guardians) from Journey.
That may as well be inspired by these things from an old film, Lost city of Atlantis.
This is based on the concept art showing aquatic creatures that look like living statues and they seem to have been considered to be in the Valley of Triumph.

[late wasp]

I'm not sure about melting, but the Skids when overcharged shatter/leave their material bodies behind.

We see as much in the Eden cutscene.

[frigid tinsel]

at that point, skykids are deprived of light and effectively dead. their body shatters because it appears to be petrified by darkness and no longer usable.

[orchid jolt]

and, im not even sure that the boat dude is the same as the old non-seasonal questgiver (in lore). even though they look the same, they may not BE the same. i have evidence for them being different that could just be a gameplay mechanic and not lore, one sec

Found it

Also, apparently its not just TGC who think circles/spheres are birds...

I mean, in this case, its thinking that a bird is a sphere-shaped celestial object but its close enough

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_Happiness_(toy)

i suspect this toy was, in some way, something that inspired some part of sky (or at least some of its concepts)

[lyric isle]

well yes but I miss them

I need my coping mechanism

[keen shore]

Off season quest giver lore: helped maintain quests between seasons until the sleepy traveler stole their identity and began to impersonate them, leading to the off season quest giver losing their job and being usurped by their boat doppelgänger

Legend says they are still hiding inside the statue (it is hollow) and waiting to steal their job back from the sleepy traveler, who does not yet know of their presence

Every quest you complete allows them to get closer to their goal (paying Megabird to smite the impostor)

[half shadow]

WAY LATE BUT AHAHA MY MULTIPLE PARAGRAPH ESSAY ABOUT THEIR OUTFITS WAS RIGHT! THEY’RE VIKINGS! ahem

Not viking vikings, but boatsmen, though the two were very connected jobs

Oh hey there’s a new livestream for next monday as well!

[hushed steeple]

Game design

[half shadow]

Add Shadow of the Colossus there

[nimble ingot]

You are gonna make me stay up to 3AM looking up those "marvellous" creatures

[rigid mural]

the bottom two are respectively from GRIS, and Fe. I got both games if you want screens lol

[orchid jolt]

Did you mean: Days of Fortune

(its not a season, but an event is close enough. And I'm referring to the fortune dragon)

[nimble ingot]

Yeah, but a season or an update that adds them in an area.
The dragon is a great example, it is a shame it does not stick around for long.

[orchid jolt]

ah yes, the season of prophecy has them in spirit form /j
||the mask of the fire prophet is extremely similar to the head of the fortune dragon||

[nimble ingot]

(lol I was wondering if that would trigger the bot)

I will not go as far to say the shadows are possibly flying stone creatures, not even in their gaseous form.

[orchid jolt]

? I meant the fire prophet spirit. not the shadows
(also, i added the "/j" to show that it was a joke)

[nimble ingot]

Oh, my mistake.
I see what you now mean XD

[keen shore]

My headcanon on the shadow things is that: we know the prophets saw krill at one point cause there’s a painting of one. Mid trial creation they forgot what it looked like it were too lazy to check, so they just went “yeah, this looks scary and is vaguely shaped the same way”

[brisk ginkgo]

Badly formed krill

[hushed steeple]

Heheheh. Journey, sky, glyph, the pathless, solar ash, gris, Fe.

[late wasp]

@keen shore just want to confirm one of your theories. in Hidden Forest, if you do the "sobbing gesture" quest, one of the memories shows the darkness plants growing from the "core" of one the spirits.

You should check it out. I think we can pretty much say your theory is canon. Right?

[half shadow]

Oh god I forgot that spirit. I think it’s tied with fainting soldier as the saddest spirit in the game.

[keen shore]

Oh yeah! I remembered that, although I’m hesitant to say it makes my theory 100% canon as the darkness plants could have just been parasitic. (Just trying not to be biased here…) my idea of how that worked was that it’s the ancestor version of an infected wound getting necrosis

[frigid tinsel]

Tearful Light Miner and Fainting Warrior deserve hugs

[keen shore]

Why are we making hugs limited to just two spirits. I want to hug them ALL

[half shadow]

I have to hug them please god

Someone should draw Light Miner and Fainting Soldier hugging. I think they’d understand eachother.

[keen shore]

While we’re talking about hugs, has anyone else noticed that if you try to hug the prophecy guide you just kinda hug their knees instead

[half shadow]

it’s great

[boreal nebula]

Left a feedback about that to fix too

Before the full Gratitude Crew/Troupe appeared I almost had a convoluted game mechanism theory that could have been useful for QGs too

For me first two spirits were Leap Dancer (ascended) and Stretching/Yoga Guru (never TS) and since each highfives me differently I thought there was something behind it

[keen shore]

OH YEAH I REMEMBER THAT

[boreal nebula]

When also Dismissing Protector (ascended) and Greeting Shaman (not ascneded) appeared too my theory exploded. Both double highfiving ||Cause I already met Shaman when I was a clueless moth in my first weekend of the game, and I thought that TS (despite not ascended) remembered me ||

But of course I was wrong, in the end (I also Ascended Sassy and Provoking Dancer who just highfive)

[rustic heron]

Does lore chat have a 40s timer for everybody, or is that just for users who haven’t been in the channel long enough?

[late wasp]

yes

[boreal nebula]

Though the idea was, if they made the Gratitude Crew capable of remembering this tiny thing, could the QGs do that too? What If they update them to bearhug us if we were there during that season. even if just for a day...

If they ever pull something like this, for some QGs there would be no "wrong" hug glitch

[boreal nebula]

Oddly we are lucky they lowered to 40s, it was 60s in the past 12+ months

[keen shore]

I guess they were like “eh, only about ten people post here anyways, it’ll be fine”

[boreal nebula]

I think there was no restriction before (or even halfway through) Prophecy

It was mess, yeah.. to discuss and follow the flux of comments, but it wasn't at least this uncomfortable

[rustic heron]

I would like this lowered a bit more. 40s pauses between thoughts really hinders creative flow. Maybe 20s, or 10? Preferably 0, but one step at a time.

I guess you can edit comments, but still.

[boreal nebula]

I think it can give time to really think what you want to say... if you have to convey your ideas from foreign language into english, 20-30 seconds could pass like nothing

And after all we are not force to not typing what we want, we just need to wait to send

[late wasp]

I wish there was an axe or shield accessory for my viking aesthetic ||(i ended up buying AP)||

[keen shore]

I’m still thinking about this because it’s a really interesting idea, although I can’t think of what the earth & air trials would be meant to represent. Going to put it in the “extremely cool but likely noncanon” subcategory of theory

[boreal nebula]

What I miss most maybe is to say something and later add a second comment with just big emoji/reaction

[boreal nebula]

😅

[rustic heron]

Sure, but why hinder others for that reason. I have no problem revisiting topics if it takes someone a while to gather their thoughts, but meanwhile maybe I’d like to talk about something else.

I guess it’s fine. It’s a nice-to-have more than anything.

[boreal nebula]

edits risks to get ignored sadly 😢

[boreal nebula]

If you ask me. the round things near the candle of Abyss ship really are there to give the viking shield look, because they are slightly different than regular "eyes" of boats

[rustic heron]

Bear skin cape. Think about it.

[late wasp]

the likely hood of an animal skin cape is near zero, because TGC will try to avoid the push back of people writing articles. ||like the cool korean hat||

[half shadow]

I love the historically accurate cloaks, you can tell a lot of love and attention was put into each of them

[rustic heron]

Bear cape: no, we’re scared of animal rights activists

Manta cape: lol spirits are dead they can’t do nothin’.

[half shadow]

The hat is also accurate as well!

[rustic heron]

I can’t help but imagine there must have been light-creature ancestor activists in the canon.

And consequently, there must have been an ancestor-equivalent PETA.

[late wasp]

we have a whole season of that || ||

[boreal nebula]

Air could be somehow connected to Flight and its Wind Tunnels in the clouds turned off, but rekindle by our help (even if it would be cooler to see a more similar ambience in game)

Earth could be connected to how the Eden Castle is now in crumble, especially the top/pinnacles of the Castle which seems to be in orbital elevation , but maybe (since it doesn't have full Escape Velocity ||if a rocket for example doesn reach it can fly up, but cannot pass beyond orbit and will eventually fall, like the broken, artificial satellites, eventually||) the Castle will eventually return with some kind of restoration ... Perhaps I'm wishing too much on this Earth part

[boreal nebula]

is there any prove of Sanctuary practicing euthanasia ?? /j (but based on real PeTA practices iirc)

[rustic heron]

Sky is dark souls confirmed. The Chosen Sky Kid must beat areas of water, earth, and air, gathering enough souls light to link the first flame restore the balance of rebirth.

[late wasp]

I will tell y'all to do something, because it really is more intuitive than anything.
But Sunday, after your Eden run. Do the trials.

You'll notice how each trial teaches you a lesson to be used during the Eden ascend. I can give one example, the howling pushing winds as you try to climb broken stairs in the Wind Trial.

Naturally I did Eden before the Cave. So in my case, what I learned in Eden was used in the Cave: "not jumping, not flying, letting the auto jump do its magic, jumping in the middle of the ledge instead of hugging walls"

but effectively every other trial teaches the same. Like how the Fire Trial teaches you to time your movement to the Krill Patrols, etc.

tl;dr: Cave of Prophecy prepares Skid to ascend Eden.

[boreal nebula]

YEAH, Water, Earth, Fire, Earth... we are the Avatars skykids, deal with it! ⬇️

[rustic heron]

You know what’s funny? The same skips and glitches I use to cheese trials are the same ones I use to cheese Eden.

Probably unintentional, but what if it wasn’t?

[late wasp]

Water Trial and Patience. Teaching you to wait and time your movement against the Flying Rocks.

[keen shore]

I’m thinking, and my guess on air is maybe to help deal with division/prevent civil war because it’s all about how important balance is?? Might be a bit of a stretch though

[late wasp]

Actually Fire Trial even uses the same Mechanics as the last stretch of Eden, when we start donating WLs. In how we have to keep close to fires, lest we die.

[keen shore]

I doubt that the “training you to ascend Eden” is the only canon purpose, although it’s really neat how they line up!! Unless my idea about the trials being customized to each contestant was actually right

[boreal nebula]

I think it's harder than that.
Eden climbing took me 5 minutes of walk into Mordor, easily, before the Prophecy realease

Each trials can take the same amount of time you do a full climb and Eden run instead XD

[late wasp]

I think the Ancestors had no idea what the Trials were for when they created it and honestly thought it was for the King.

Only... Destiny actually created the trials for us, thousands of years into the future, the real reason the trials were for. Like the King thought he was the chosen one... ...but it was actually us.

[keen shore]

But how would they beat them if it was for us??

[boreal nebula]

Wait.... so the King after the Trials was ||the very first Uber in Sky History ||

[late wasp]

Because beating them is irrelevant. It's about preparing the chosen one for the obstacles they will face in Apocalypse.

I know this trope has a name, but I don't remember what it is.
The idea that there is a "superficial interpretation" of a prophecy, only for thousands of years later for the real meaning of the prophecy to be revealed.

[boreal nebula]

i don't see any reference to th apocalipse in the murals tho, when he ubered climbed Eden, tho

hold on I'll search that name of the trope, in the mean time ||Cookie Cat||

[keen shore]

Yeah, the murals don’t seem to seem to involve us at all — there are a few of the trials being completed that you could at first think is us, but the person in them doesn’t have the winged light symbol we’re always depicted with in the middle of our chests. Then it gets completely derailed from our story entirely with showing the elders using the lights and the same person shown completing the trials heading to the peak of Eden with four of the lights, which is Definitely something we did not do. Unless the murals are somehow of completely different situations and people, which doesn’t seem right, they can’t be for us only… [unless of course, king reincarnation theory]

[late wasp]

I personally view the murals to have been painted by the Ancestors after the King came. AKA, the murals are not part of the prophecy.

A scenario of them misinterpreting the Prophecy, and the purpose of the trials, crowning the Prince as King. And then painting the murals in celebration.

Only for thousands of years later we, the true chosen one arriving.

[keen shore]

Although the idea of us entering the trials only to be like “oh. I’ve already gone through Eden, this is easy” is pretty funny

[half shadow]

Maybe the prophecy was thought to be about the Prince when it reality it was about Skykid?

[keen shore]

• there’s something still bothering me, how would trial of earth help? You don’t need to head through mazes for Eden, it’s a pretty straightforward path. You don’t need to solve puzzles, or open doors. All the other trials can fit Eden to some degree, if small ||(not entirely convinced on the trial of water mirroring avoiding flying rocks, just because of how different they look — if you want to prepare someone for something, making the practice run look completely different to the final test, with the only connection being that both of them can be solved via patience, seems like a strange decision)|| but trial of earth doesn’t seem to help at all

[late wasp]

it's less of a direct: "lets run a simulation of eden" and more of a "these are the virtues/skills the chosen one will need", and these virtues/skills being exactly what we need in Eden.

||eden is a maze the first time you are going through it and you have to learn how to navigate weird surfaces||

[boreal nebula]

@late waspI'm not completely sure, but I think it can be called Foreshadowing

In a series like Steven Universe, from the very first episode there is a silly song about a Cookie Cat (a snack about a cat, refugee from another planet, who left the family being) that ends up to be a big hint to a major spoiler later in that series

[keen shore]

I don’t really see Eden being a maze at all, honestly. It’s really straightforward — I can’t speak for everyone but the first time I went through it I knew where to go pretty easily, even though it was dark. There are no alternate paths leading to dead ends, or alternate paths at all. I’m not really sure what you mean by the weird surfaces part, though.

& the virtue you’re supposed to learn from trial of air, judging by the text given, is balance… I mean, not tripping would ne useful, but it seems like such a mundane(?) thing compared to everything else.

For reference it feels like someone teaching you how to read to get you through a difficult math test. Like, I technically need that skill, but I already have it, and can’t you teach me something a bit more useful??

[thin dirge]

Since its called "Season of Prophecy", I always assumed the murals WAS a Prophecy, but was already fulfilled in the past. In CN, someone mentioned the desc of the place also said "Refulfilment of Prophecy" or someting like that

Though, I do agree that the trials seems to be significant when it comes to facing Eden and stuff

[boreal nebula]

well. after all even Earth Maze is pretty simple, convoluted yes, but without barely any dead end

I still agree with you, I dont see any valuable lesson from Earth for Eden

[thin dirge]

Well, Earth teaches resilience.

What do we do in Eden? Go through the storm regardless of rocks being thrown at us left and right. There's a section where there's endless rain and you just keep going anyway. Def resilience there....

[late wasp]

some observation worth mentioned, although a subject of itself, is how in the "stars" fell intro, the actual leader of the stars don't fall. but another star appears on top of eden.

The Light constellation with the crown actually belongs to us too
||The King is an usurper, but I can grant he probably did it unintentionally||

[keen shore]

Prophecy unclear, have accidentally usurped myself and blown up an entire kingdom

[boreal nebula]

Instead in Earth I see one other thing

If the actual map of Sky really have Eden in the middle of the land, and our path is not a simple straight line.., then both Earth and Sky Land make us run in circle to get near to their beacons of light

But Idk why I still have my doubts, even with a map made by official concept artist

[keen shore]

Also, why would we need lessons for how to get through Eden if there wasn’t also a prophecy about someone messing it up to the point where we can’t navigate it normally in the first place?

[late wasp]

the actual "King" stayed in Orbit.

[thin dirge]

Fun fact: The Friend Constellation (The Light constellation) used to be the EXACT SAME as the one in the Vault Elder Cutscene. Got changed since it was difficult for ppl to select the right star for their friends and stuff. But I still view them as the same exact constellation

In other words, King constellation is the same as ours....

[late wasp]

Yeah, the Intro shows that the Prince actually fell from a lower cloud formation.
He is probably just some Sky Kid that thought he was the King.

And years later either the true King send us; or us, the King, come down to actually do the King-job.
https://youtu.be/VXnhn-s7UBw

[boreal nebula]

SO in conclusion I cannot see those lessons preparing for Eden in Trials, maybe cause my mindset was built from experiencing the game before the 4 arrived and gave us something more challenging that a walk into Mordor

But it's nice to have a different perspective , and really hope you can get some tasty analysing from that

[thin dirge]

Tbh, I still wonder if "Prince" (the first Sky kid) was really supposed to become King... Since Sky is kinda based off of TLP, it seems to share similar themes about growing up and how adults forget what's important.

[lyric isle]

random and off-topic but
considering making the little prince theory of mine into an au; beginning to grow accepting of the idea of them as real people

will elaborate later. i’m tired

[boreal nebula]

or got trapped in Eden ||Giant Crystal||

[keen shore]

Yeah, this piece of evidence here is… hard to explain without the king reincarnation theory tbh

[late wasp]

Megabird fired the Prince and put us in their job position as the new CEO of "The Light™️ "

[thin dirge]

In my view, "Prince" was never really meant to become King. Them becoming "King" was never their purpose for coming down. It just became a thing when the Kingdom grew big and prosperous after technological advances. When people started straying from the truth...

[thin dirge]

Or we're all just Children of the Light, and with Prince being a Child of Light, they just share the same constellation as us, lol. Thats one interpretation without Prince=Our Sky Kid

So we're like siblings to the Prince

Though.... Doesnt explain the Elder pin poems....

[boreal nebula]

SO ... it was just a moth with no idea where to hang out, like us sky kids?

[late wasp]

I like to think the Prince doesn't even have a purpose. That "the darkness" caused the Prince to fall accidentally.

[thin dirge]

Ooh, thats one of the possible interpretations I had of why Prince was there

Well, the no purpose part mainly

[late wasp]

Like, the Prince seems pretty directionless, actually being told what to do by the Ancestors who put them on a boat and send them to do some trials. Basically: the Prince is doing what the Ancestors want him to do, and this is shaping what the Prince will do on his own as "the King".

Meanwhile our Sky Kid has a clear direction and instructions. And we are constantly guided by The Light, it is not the Ancestors guiding us or telling us what to do. We have a purpose.

[boreal nebula]

I already see him ruling with a kid mind set

Dora: my king,we need a skiing race
Kakashii: no, we need a flying race

King: why can't we have both?

[thin dirge]

I accidently made a theory once that the reason why stars fall and born into the physical world of Sky (and become Ancestors) was because of a little competition between light and dark, but both were in balance and harmony, so it didnt cause anything major and was actually beneficial to each other.

That is, until darkness became too abundant, and then causd all the other stars to fall when they're not supposed to...

[late wasp]

Ash seems to agree with the balance approach

[thin dirge]

Well, we havent really seen the Prince in action when they're still around, so we dont know if they're really directionless. Though, who knows?

[half shadow]

Hey man, he usually just let the birds take him wherever

badum tsh

[late wasp]

We see them being rescued by Ancestors, and later doing the trials.
Meanwhile we just do the trials for the cosmetics, Winged Lights and candles

And we are honking and purposeful from moment 1

[thin dirge]

Yeah, I accidently made this up when was trying to come up with a reason why stars fell in the old intro, as it was described differently. Then I realized it fit too perfectly with what was stated that there was a balance between light and dark. I mean, if there was one, what was darkness' old role in the balance then..?

[half shadow]

Prophets: Take up the challenge to prove the strength of your Light.

Moths, talking like seagulls: Pants? Pants? Pants? Pants?

[thin dirge]

Maybe back then, the Megabird didnt have to intervene.... Because everyone was actually still around by the time to guide Prince. This time, we're alone and everyone is ded, so....

[late wasp]

"Imma be honest with you, dog head man. I'm only doing this cause I was told there would be prizes."

[cosmic willow]

take the pants after proving the strength of your light

[keen shore]

The phrase “honking and purposeful from moment 1” is absolutely slaughtering me

[half shadow]

The honking is the purpose

[half shadow]

The spirits learned quickly that in order to motivate the skykids to help restore their world, they had to give them their old clothes

[cosmic willow]

indeed they did

[rustic heron]

I like to think that the megabird isn’t a directed consciousness, but more like the collective of all that is.

My interpretation is that the King used to be one with all the Elders, but when they fell into disarray and no longer agreed with each other, they went down to the earth to guide the ancestors as they saw fit.

The king took a different approach, and decided to be reborn as an Ancestor to guide them better by living among them.

This explains why we see so many different groups of Ancestors, and why they never seem to interact with one another until we come along.

It also explains why the ancestors kneel to us in the final Elder cutscene.

[late wasp]

well, not sure about the Mega Chicken, but there is a voice guiding us, that call us their child.

[rustic heron]

I really like the idea that it’s the remaining will of the King split among all the Skykids. His will exists, not to exert influence but to plead with us to do better.

We are the illegitimate children of the King, born of tragedy and repentance.

It makes a lot of sense, then, that we live out full lives as skykids, learning and making friends, understanding the ancestors by living alongside them, albeit in spirit form.

That was the King’s truest desire, muddled by the need to guide the ancestors under a single banner because of the Elders’ unwillingness to work together toward that same goal.

[wise rampart]

we've woken the hive!

[rustic heron]

TL;DR: Your mission is literally to have fun lorewise and game wise.

[rustic heron]

Yeah, everything I said before was bull doodoo. The real lore is that we reawaken the hive mind and conquer the cosmos, bathing them in the Light of the Megabird.

[wise rampart]

B)

[late wasp]

this is what the King wanted

[rustic heron]

I just had a thought. What if sky was in the same universe as Warhammer 40K?

[thin dirge]

Yeah, I also interpreted Megabird is actually a collective being, just made up of every single living being born of the Light

[late wasp]

Megabird is a door

||also I love how there is this one canonical Sky Kid at the end of the Orbit door||

[thin dirge]

It explains the voice who talks to us when we first play (the new intro), as they seem to be talking from multiple perspectives as if they're literally everyone at the same time

[rustic heron]

The door opens, and you find yourself waking up, in a cart drawn by imperial soldiers.

“Hey, you’re finally awake.”

[late wasp]

this is probably not hard to mod, granted we have access to sky meshes

[rustic heron]

IT’S CALLED SKY-RIM FOR A REASON.

I just saw that, and couldn’t contain my excitement.

[thin dirge]

I had a similar interpretation of the Prince/King being us, but its not the same as like they split into mamy fragments.... Idk how to describe, but more like they just reincarnated into thousands of Skids? But it wasnt from fragmentation

[late wasp]

Sky lore melted my brain btw, I was watching a seemingly innocent Ghibli movie when all of a sudden I was making Vault of Knowledge connections.

Let me post the screenshot and you'll understand

[rustic heron]

Oh, by the way. I don’t know if you guys know this, but if you go into Eden and never light a single statue, one sky kid will still accompany you to Orbit.

[rustic heron]

I instantly understood the vault reference. Oh geez, Sky lore’s melted my brain, too.

[thin dirge]

I think thats just by default. If you save one skid only, only one will appear. No extra sky kid.

[rustic heron]

What other skid did we save? If you never light a statue, you save no one, and the figure you hug after dying melds into you, restoring your light.

[thin dirge]

Yeah, tho what Im saying is if you save just one, only one sky kid appears, no extra sky kid appears. Meaning the kid that appears when you save no one is kinda somehow non-existent, or more like a placeholder for the cutscene since you didnt save anyone

Tbh, I really question if the cutscene where one appears despite not saving one is a place holder, or is really lore related

[rustic heron]

It’s weird because I doubt the devs ever intended for someone to skip all the statues and go straight to orbit.

Lorewise, there are several implications of it’s intentional.

[keen shore]

Horrible thought. What if the dead skykids we see outside the entrance to the final area and the fact that we see our friends in orbit is meant to show they all died and we’re the only ones who got so far

[thin dirge]

[rustic heron]

There can be only one.

[keen shore]

Eden Battle Royale

[thin dirge]

This is giving me flashbacks to the old Eden concepts....

[keen shore]

That’s why I’m even considering it as a possibility in the first place…

I don’t think I’ll ever understand this servers censor. I hope they hold a contest sometime to find the weirdest and funniest censored word(s)

[rustic heron]

Just goes to show the enemy of Sky is Fortnite.

Maybe that’s what caused the stars to fall. Prince was playing too much Fortnite, and the Elders got peeved that he wasn’t doing his job of connecting the light.

The Eden disaster was just the King making a Sky-based battle royale to be played on the Jumbotron at Valley Coliseum.

[keen shore]

This conversation is exactly why they censored the phrase in the first place… didn’t want us to know the truth

I don’t even know how to react at this point… why

[rustic heron]

This is the greatest piece of lore I have ever stumbled upon. Papa bless, TGC, you damned maniacs.

[late wasp]

LMAO YOU DID SCIENCE LAPIS

Defeat Plebeian

[rustic heron]

I haven’t laughed this hard in ages. Wow. I am awestruck.

Yo, someone needs to bring this up to the staff. I NEED answers. I am so mildly curious at this point, it’s almost normal, genuine curiosity.

[late wasp]

tried asking in general. no success. it is taboo to them, even though it makes no sense.

[silver forge]

As a follow-up to revious convo,please keep in mind not to test the censors in public channels, you can ask in #contact-the-mods if confused. That includes trying various spellings to get around it, we have various things on there to keep the community safe.

[rigid mural]

wrow

[sharp lichen]

This has become the new amongus trashcan

[rigid mural]

What did you guys do xD this channel is ending me 💀

[hushed steeple]

The censers are a minefield.

And what would knowing the list of banned words do but make more cussing?

Sigh

We can’t know what should be avoided

[rustic heron]

We do not speak of THEY WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED, not of the forbidden spells they cast.

[rigid mural]

That's rough buddy. Take this.

[hushed steeple]

I used flight loadstone in kingcomp though

Unless you mean eden beam

[rigid mural]

Both

[late wasp]

tbh I feel bad for the volunteer mods, as they have to deal with corporate decisions

[silver forge]

Tho that wasnt corporate at all, it was spam and nitro scams that were using those phrases. Best keep the server safe from that, and it's a constantly needing adjustments to keep up

[rigid mural]

The loadstone thing can be a hybrid symbol too; see the Valley buildings having both diamond and megabird patterns

[late wasp]

Aaaaah now it makes sense. This is the lore we sought!
Thank you, Xynth. It makes the reason for the words being censored make sense.

[late wasp]

What is the Megabird pattern?

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

I may be missing it, but where’s the Megabird pattern in those pictures? Sorry if I’m overlooking it and it’s really obvious

[late wasp]

Yeah, I'm also failing to see it. I see the 3/4 rhombus pattern Salem pointed out a couple days ago though

⠀⠀🔷
🔷⠀⠀🔷
⠀⠀🔷

[keen shore]

Thank god it’s not just my eyes being weird. The four diamond symbol with another diamond running through itin the second picture is a really neat fancy variation of it though

Edit: OH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE MEGABIRD SYMBOL WAS ON TJE VALLEY BUILDINGS

[late wasp]

lmao same

[keen shore]

I don’t know why I misread that?? I think the arch is more Megabird than diamond though, the top part seems too irregular to be an intentional geometric diamond

[rigid mural]

Oh oops you meant valley

WHAT THE HELL DISCORD

[rustic heron]

Why wouldn’t the diamond represent the Megabird?

[keen shore]

We’re really having three different conversations atm and all of us are too tired to realize it aren’t we

[rustic heron]

I was exhausted after discovering forbidden knowledge.

[pastel brook]

Did someone call the fun police??

[keen shore]

Oooh that’s a neat observation even if I can’t read the writing, I can totally do how it resembles the triangular upper part of the Megabird symbol; also keep in mind has a full diamond in the front part as well

[rigid mural]

Tommorow's quests are in Valley anyway, I could do a collage then.
Basically, there's already a diamond shape within , the king may just have had to slowly lose the "wings" to get
In Valley the wings are still here, just reduced into triangles

[late wasp]

I believe it is said to represent the Ancestors? Or maybe I'm misremembering

[rigid mural]

Notice how he also upturned the symbol, stopping its (presumably cyclical) movement ?

[keen shore]

Given the is meant to represent our Light in general, I’m pretty sure it’s the original symbol for the light instead of a simplified shape from it. If that’s not true, then it symbolizing our light would once again be one of those pieces of evidence that would be nearly impossible to explain without saying we’re connected to the king somehow

I’m also pretty sure there’s a circular shape more resembling a sun present both in isle and prairie murals as well as on wasteland shields that is arguably the same original symbol, just simplified to be easier to draw

[rustic heron]

It could be both. If you worship a deity, why wouldn’t you take its symbol as your own?

[rigid mural]

I may be biased because my theory is that megabird is an avatar of cycles, hence why you go through it to be reborn, but the king (or ancestors in general) couldn't cope with not being eternal, hence why he (or they) stuck out of the flow of time and cycles like rocks eroding in a river.

[late wasp]

Lapis, I love you, you made me realize something

[rustic heron]

Naturally. No need to state the obvious.

[keen shore]

So essentially:

Diamond shapes: darkstone, may represent Megabird as well, who knows
Triangles: ancestors

[rigid mural]

Keep in mind that's concept art, so not set in stone either.

[rustic heron]

GW elder is also represented by the triangle, but for entirely different reasons.

[keen shore]

So are the valley twins’ heads for some reason, which has always felt a little mean to me, because they don’t even look like triangles

[late wasp]

Circles and Spirals are the symbols of the Void

||Megabird is the Void, not the Light||

[rustic heron]

You’re absolutely brilliant. This is better than the forbidden fruit from earlier.

This is the equivalent of making ambrosia from forbidden fruit, and consuming the lot.

[late wasp]

basically "The Light" are the creatures/skids/etc, but not the Bird, the bird is the Spiral from where the Light is born.

[keen shore]

Don’t have the energy to phrase it properly right now but I Love this. Maybe that’s why we’re called stars, because we’re born from the darkness and enveloped by it

Although it does open up the question of why are we burning away the darkness of it’s what our god is made of. Is darkness not supposed to create more darkness?

[late wasp]

technically we do transform darkness into fragments of light, so

[hushed steeple]

Kinda thought darkness is created from light being destroyed and lifht is created by darkness being sdeatyeoyed

[rustic heron]

Not darkness, void. Darkness is a corruption of the light. Void is the absence of everything, light and darkness.

[raw crypt]

The way I read it is more that it’s a balance and it’s a cycle, Sky has the blatant cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth, it is a whole and complete cycle, and a part of that cycle is the balance of light and dark, i read it as megabird- or maybe so more the state of things not being wholely darkness or wholely light, but both together, especially given the circle and spiral imagery which can mean things like wholeness, life and cycles

megabird ouroboros

(sorry if u saw me typing for ages i am shy sometimes)

[keen shore]

No it’s fine!! I am very shy too so understandable

I am trying to gather my thoughts on it but I’m exhausted so may take until I wake up tomorrow

[rustic heron]

It's even better when you think about the diamond within the diamond. The outer diamond is light. The inner diamond is missing, representing absence, or void.

[craggy wren]

||about crabs, can they be cooked? you see them... in desert on spit roast

are the insides squishy like real crabs or is just stoney carapace?

and do the black particles mean they are crunchy

and do sky kids ever eat anything? :<||

[rustic heron]

My guy out here asking the real lore questions.

[waxen hazel]

Haha true

[hushed steeple]

But I still have nitrome music >:]

Wait a second this is sky lore chat :/

[harsh pecan]

We don’t eat anything

[wise rampart]

oh is this regarding our theory about the diamond representing the light?

[half shadow]

I think you can eat crabs.

I crave more lore about my good friend the Mosaic Eel…

[frozen pivot]

everything is edible with the right attitude

[small girder]

Hi, what is this channel for pls?

[late wasp]

Here is where we discuss the story and the world of the game. These are shortened into the term "Lore". Discussion can range from the events happened during the game, to the diet Treasure Reef eels have, etc.

[stable veldt]

That little ding the skids make when they hit the wall mach speed is them saying "ow" Change my mind

[steel wigeon]

Someone remind me what are theories for Eden hug kid? Is that us or?

[late wasp]

In my personal opinion, that's the King, "inside" the giant Crystal.