lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

we do, and you are not immune to it 😉

they learned the powers from the scholars ig

[rustic heron]

Joins lore chat
Starts several arguments
Refuses to elaborate further
Leaves

All in a day’s work.

[sharp lichen]

Here's the many things I know of: a simple joke of Chesca demanding me give them 10 hearts turned into a massive, ongoing quest where anytime I said something, Chess would say "WHERES MY __ HEARTS", with the amount of hearts varying. In King Propaganda, they supported Kitsuu's horrible actions in the cellar, and got banned. I also insulted Chesca in the spirittwt server.

[keen shore]

I mean, how did they manage to do it at all?? Like if I went to college I wouldn’t learn how to levitate, I’m just trying to figure out how levitation is possible in general

A while ago people were talking about light creatures having minor forms of microgravity so maybe it’s a manipulation of that?? It’s just weird to suddenly be like “oh yeah this dude can float” and never elaborate on why or how

I’m sorry for derailing the conversation also

[sharp lichen]

[tulip aspen]

i wouldn't say microgravity, and light creatures dont have shells weighing them down

slight levitation just seems like a magic-type beat

[harsh pecan]

1970 hearts

[tulip aspen]

yeah baudshaw where is it

[sharp lichen]

DONT YOU DARE

[rustic heron]

So, light is akin to flight in Sky. Sky kids are known as children of light, and the more light we take in, the more flight we gain.

I’d assume that Spirits can do this on a much lower scale, only managing to levitate.

Sky kids have no problem doing this as well, since we can already fly.

[harsh pecan]

Cant wait for the 1 year anniversary of “where’s my hearts”

[rustic heron]

If you’re already giving out hearts, I’ll take one. Please and thank you

[tulip aspen]

awesome work lapis ty

since we already know according to my work that ancestors likely had much much less Light than we do, that cements in your point, I'd think

[harsh pecan]

Y e s
It’s even better when you realise that Baudshaw’s hearts will be used to fund the lore bible

[rustic heron]

How magnanimous. Thank you for your generosity, @sharp lichen . We in lore chat look forward to your charitable donation.

[tulip aspen]

cant wait to see you tomorrow with 1980 hearts!

[sharp lichen]

:icantstick_withthepainanymore:

[harsh pecan]

Indeed

[rustic heron]

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[tulip aspen]

lapis, the mods will find you eventually if you keep forgoing the censor

[half shadow]

why don’t we call it… “silly theory” hour

[fickle wing]

shoutout to the giant deer

[rustic heron]

Wut. Why is there a giant deer?

More importantly, what the deer doin’?

[late wasp]

being endeering

[sharp lichen]

How (un)funny!

[late wasp]

🦌

[rustic heron]

Thanks for clarifying. I un-deer-stand now. Thanks.

[fickle wing]

here’s a thought did you know some old samekh concepts had masks involving antlers
and valley is a realm w a bunch of snow
and there’s a deer up there in the other pic buried under snow

[sharp lichen]

All these deer puns are re-deer-cu-lous

[harsh plover]

what did i miss?

[rustic heron]

SPIRITS RODE DEER CONFIRMED.

[fickle wing]

what

[harsh pecan]

I wish we could’ve seen that in-game

[fickle wing]

anyways shoutout 2 the scrapped sky deer

[rustic heron]

In the village of dreams oob, there’s a strange brown quadruped thing. Could it beer an unused deer model?

[fickle wing]

too round for a deer tbh

[rustic heron]

Hey, they’re sensitive about their weight!

[late wasp]

why do people still use the ancient concept names? lol
reading dev posts here it seems they are slightly bothered by people using it

it's like, we are intentionally making ourselves worse in establishing communication with the devs for nothing in return lol

[rustic heron]

I try to avoid it because I think most of the published concepts are unused and are not related to the actual in-game content and lore.

[harsh plover]

can some one can imagine an anime or an animated series of this game...?

[late wasp]

the weird part is how they have to constantly remind people.
not even the devs know these names.

[whole arch]

Deer would be so useful in this game. Imagine the ability to call in a deer mount, reach full speed in Golden Wasteland, and use the wing button to launch off of it toward the boat.

Dismounting moving platforms by flying is already janky enough though...

[rustic heron]

Family Sky funny moments.

[harsh plover]

jajajaja that's a good name

[rustic heron]

Honks to the tune of the Family Guy intro

[late wasp]

I will start a crusade against cringe names

starting by calling them cringe from now on.
because using them only makes communicating with new people harder AND communicating with devs harder

for something that isn't even canon, nor useful

(it hurts having to see Ash explain again and again and again about the names)

[rustic heron]

Hehe, Cringe Elder should totally be a thing.

[harsh plover]

well im new here in the server but i get your point

[tulip aspen]

i do it sometimes as a short callout, i dont see it as a big deal, the only problem was when KP (rest it's soul) started using the names religiously

[harsh plover]

Who was the first elder ?

[tulip aspen]

we dont know, and ive always assumed the elders all were sent by the Light at the same time, and also that the king isnt an elder and just an ancestor child

[late wasp]

It is implied in Cave of Prophecies (and even the inital cave in Dawn Isle) that it was the Isle Elder

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah some concepts say isle was the first one

but i wonder what that would entail....

[harsh plover]

Uuuh I like that, I also think the same

[frigid tinsel]

they're just fanon names at this point and they're easy to explain to new people who they're referring to, which we have. Ash is just explaining the distinction, but she doesn't seem bothered by it. sure, I don't use the names myself, but there's more harm in starting a crusade against people who do than just letting them be.

[late wasp]

In short, in cave of prophecies it shows the Isle Elder living with the ancestors on the surface
the Prince arrives, and they send him to the clouds, where the Prince retrieves 4 powers

the next scene shows the Prince giving these powers to the ancestors
and then the other Elders appearing

the last few scenes just show a Scholar (with ancestor body) climbing Eden with the Prince/King. hinting they would later become the Vault Elder.

[harsh plover]

@rustic heron where are you brother we need your opinion here

[late wasp]

they are pointless though. like I said, they make communication difficult, and I believe it is bothering to have to remind people every couple months you don't know who they are referring to, because some people online taught them fanon names neither the devs nor the games use.

it's borderline fanfiction

[frigid tinsel]

doubt the Cave of Prophecies explain the history of the kingdom, just what would happen in the prophecy came to fruition. we know it came true (to some regard), it's not as complicated as it looks. that's the problem, it's too simple

[late wasp]

it's not only Ash by the way, if you check the history of someone of the other devs here you'll see the same pattern. having to say they don't know who those names are.

[frigid tinsel]

they're not pointless – names exist to refer to things, people, in this case the Elders. if folk got a preference for the concept names over referring to the Elders as their title, there's no harm in them using that.

sure, the newer devs don't know, but that's on them not keeping up with the community around their game. the devs aren't gods, they're not going to nitpick how their players refer to their game – they can't and really shouldn't. which you see; no dev is telling the players to not use those names, just that they themselves don't.

and there's nothing wrong with fanfiction. like I said, they're fanon names and people have explained that those names aren't canon. they're not doing any harm in using them.

[half shadow]

I simply can’t remember the dang fanon names which is why I don’t use them

[frigid tinsel]

and that's fair. I don't use them either. no one is enforcing we use the fanon names and no one should be enforcing that we not use them cos that would be mean and totalitarian

[hushed steeple]

This again?

Bah.

I like the names! Its ok if you don’t! I learned em! Its ok if you don’t!

The deal is so un big its microscopic.

[tulip aspen]

they actually help communication, it really helps we have names for them, because it simplifies a lot in the brain at least for me tbh

[late wasp]

Isle Elder, Forest Elder, etc
this is guaranteed 100% of the community AND devs will understand

the names, it's just fluff

[hushed steeple]

I like the how its just a little more personal. As blah blah emotional blah sky tries to be, theres really nothing stable to connect with. No characters, who develop or keep getting seen or anything. The names help pretend that there is characters.

[frigid tinsel]

and there's nothing wrong with fluff

[hushed steeple]

But its still pretending. these guys are as deep as 1 cutscene and some poems in reality :/

[late wasp]

I'll become the Lore Inquisitor
"name heretics, all over shop"

[lofty void]

Can we stop fighting already
Let people use fanon names if they want, geez

[late wasp]

||we are not fighting|| . _ .

[lofty void]

I apologize, my discord is being as slow as internet explorer

[frigid tinsel]

i'm not the one who barged in here calling the fanon names cringe and vowing to shame anyone who uses themm

[fickle wing]

daleth my beloved bird geezer dude deserves so much better

[late wasp]

obscurantism is really bothersome, and elitist most of the time. instead of creating an open community

[hushed steeple]

Ok thats IS nasty :/

I’ll prolly just go ahead assuming its a joke.

[lofty void]

If anything, the fanon names help me
It’s easier to say “Did you notice [insert thing here] about (Sa)Mekh?”
than “oh did you notice [insert thing here] about short haired valley twin”

[hushed steeple]

While im at it peeps who like pineapple on pizzas are cool and justified

[tulip aspen]

oi, all of you, dont make me iconically change the subject

[tulip aspen]

we are no longer acquainted

[fickle wing]

the fanon names r funky ngl
plus they kinda do sprinkle in some lore w the meaning of the Hebrew letters they used 4 the names in the old concepts so 👁️👁️

[harsh plover]

[frigid tinsel]

i don't eat pizza so i have no skin in this battle

[rigid mural]

Who are you, a cop ? Nobody minds telling moths who is who, let people use names if it’s easier for them.

[tulip aspen]

vela, it already subsided, so lets move along

[rigid mural]

I just can’t tolerate shooting down other people like this for dumb stuff like names. Cope.

[hushed steeple]

Oof

I wonder what new mystery word is secretly banned

[rigid mural]

Press F for Krii

[hushed steeple]

A few days ago sky strait up red worded the word “in”

[fickle wing]

since teth was a funky lynx in the concepts does this make em a catperson

[frigid tinsel]

Forest Elder is a furry

[tulip aspen]

its interesting how in the concepts megabird did have an illustrated physical body to take on

[rigid mural]

I bet they read warrior cats.

[fickle wing]

OH THEY DEFINITELY DO

[hushed steeple]

Coral megabird......coral prince......

[tulip aspen]

from cat to bonny to scary steven universe fusion lookin lady

[fickle wing]

like
CATS in a FOREST?? teth would go crazy for that

[hushed steeple]

Does strait up actual animal count as a-

Wait I remembered the one with human proportions never mind. Even I can’t defend her.

[rigid mural]

Forest represents teenagehood because Teth is the patron of wierd girls role playing as feral cats on the playground.

[hushed steeple]

I mean........hhh....yeahhhh

[fickle wing]

oh this just unlocked memories from elementary school

[rigid mural]

THE STANCE EVER

[frigid tinsel]

yup that's an entity that'd kick my butt.
i mean in battle, like if i saw that while I'm hiking in the woods, i'm dead. i was dead when they set eyes on me

[hushed steeple]

Mammals are basically banned from sky. Thats why no anim-elders anymore I guess

[rustic heron]

I actually knew a girl in middle school who would do that. She would even chase after people on all fours.

[keen shore]

I love how everyone in this chat basically agrees that teth is a furry

[hushed steeple]

I tried to defend her but the BLOOMIN ONE WITH THE HANDS

[rustic heron]

It’s crazy how they took the face and tails, mashed them together, and made Forest Elder’s hair.

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD THE WARRIOR CATS BOOKS

[hushed steeple]

COUGH CHOKE WHEEZE

[tulip aspen]

sometimes I still bound while running because it helps when turning corners

[fickle wing]

HELP

[frigid tinsel]

i'm losin g it

[keen shore]

I still bound up stairs because it’s fun #noshame

[tulip aspen]

you've done it again

[hushed steeple]

SOMEHOW VERY QUICK ART

[rigid mural]

The primal urge to go on all 4. I felt that.

[frigid tinsel]

Vela is an art god

[keen shore]

YEAH!! YOU GET IT!!

Confession: there are a bunch of tall cabinets in my house, sometimes when I’m in the mood I just climb up on top and sit there. Recommend everyone to do this

[frigid tinsel]

cries in 160 pounds

[tulip aspen]

during airsoft i always get low to the ground

scares the crap out of contacts

[rigid mural]

I’m too short to do that

[fickle wing]

shoutout to concept lamed(i think) who just started a random chimp event

[keen shore]

I am also very short, that’s the only reason I’m able to do it in the first place, (otherwise I would just hit my head on the ceiling)

[rustic heron]

That’s what nails are for. Dig into the wood. Unleash the inner feral feline.

[frigid tinsel]

concept lamed would regularly go feral. that's why Vault Elder is so calm, they got it all out of their system

[fickle wing]

funky how lamed got put w animals that r sometimes associated 4 intelligence like chimps n crows

[rigid mural]

Wym that’s me getting something in the fridge at 3am

[frigid tinsel]

okay now that i think about it, that's just what my dysphoria looks like

on the right you can see Tsadi was gonna be a spider. someone at TGC was arachnophobic

[hushed steeple]

Eh?! We got confirmation Lamed was the monkey?

I didnt want to make anyone the monkey in the art :/
So I made a deer beetle thing

[keen shore]

tsadi even cooler now (love spider)

[rustic heron]

Spider verse 2 lookin’ fine.

[hushed steeple]

Plus Tsadi took up like 3 of them >:/

[harsh plover]

Whut!?

[rustic heron]

You know, I’ve noticed this with a lot of concept art across multiple games.

There are always these far-out, abstract and unique ideas that would be amazing in-game, but they always get toned down into something humanoid.

[frigid tinsel]

human(oid)s are marketable

[harsh plover]

What is that thing !? With 8 legs

[frigid tinsel]

idk if a "true" spider has 6 or 8 legs. if it's got multiple legs bulging out its thorax, it's a spider to me

[tulip aspen]

i thought the monkey was isle

[keen shore]

Humanoids are more relatable, and also it’s often easier to explain in any universe lore why a group of people are being led by another, more supernatural person rather than an animal

[hushed steeple]

Vulture is Isle. But I guess its possible he got more than 1 like Tsadi did. Vault also had a bird looking mask at one point.

[frigid tinsel]

if you're using nonhumans, you gotta make 'em cute cos that's marketable

[rustic heron]

Arachnids are marked by the lack of a defined middle thorax, instead having the head and thorax fused. This is one of the marked differences between insects and Spiders.

[harsh plover]

Are there golems in the game?

[hushed steeple]

I like human designs that play with portions of the face better.

Animal designs can be great, but usually the facial design is just limited to....well, what the animal looks like.

[tulip aspen]

since those were boss fights i thought it was more like the darkness had turned them into those forms, or that those were evil creatures who took them out

[frigid tinsel]

arguably, skykids are golems. otherwise, no

[tulip aspen]

yea in office

[hushed steeple]

Cut asset robot in office

[rustic heron]

Not in the 7realms, at least

[harsh plover]

Whuuut….?! Sky kids are golems ?

[rigid mural]

Honestly the Teth we got can be plenty scary too.

[rustic heron]

There are theories that Skykids are made of clay and infused with light.

[frigid tinsel]

golems in mythologies are clay or earthen figures brought to life by magic. we think skykids are partially made of clay or charcoal, so they'd count as golems

[hushed steeple]

One of the theories. Since they make a clunk noise and have tanish skin, they are commonly thought to have a clay like skin.

[rustic heron]

It could have also been an attempt at avoiding associating lighter tones with light.

[distant turtle]

Which Fortune item is more “Teth”-y? Tiger or Lion?

[rigid iron]

Hello lore chat

[hushed steeple]

Would totally kick concept Teth to orbit, easy

[keen shore]

when first going through teth cutscene i jumped when they threw their hammer because I thought they whacked us with it and was fully expecting to lose several winged lights

[frigid tinsel]

me when blokes draw skykids pasty white:

[rigid iron]

Do we have any theories on the manta spirit at the beginning of Abyss yet?

[hushed steeple]

Bro. I get lore or whatever but its their characters, let em draw how they want :/

[frigid tinsel]

yea ik people can project onto the skids however they like and I'm not one to stop them but it just rubs me the wrong way

[fickle wing]

same but w ancestors n skykids
like. In the switch trailer ancestors were shown to b poc and some of em have. Obviously black hairstyles n stuff but then get colored like a sheet of paper

[tulip aspen]

im sorry w h a t

[rustic heron]

There is a lot of stigma surrounding darker characters being associated with darkness and sometimes evil. Having different skin tones for characters heavily associated with light helps to reduce that stigma.

[keen shore]

I think I’ve actually seen more art of white spirits/skykids than their actual color palettes and… it’s depressing honestly

[frigid tinsel]

one of my Sky OCs would take that as a challenge. they're braver than any US marine or just dumb tbh

[rigid iron]

I think you can draw your skykid white if that's your sona and you draw other skykids with a range of natural skin tones, but making the ancestors white is pretty sus

[rustic heron]

It’s a sensitive topic to approach. Let’s make sure we do approach it carefully.

[hushed steeple]

I don’t even consider skintone to be the slightest part of sky. ~~don’t become twitter lorechat pleeeease! ~~

[rigid iron]

Bro what

[fickle wing]

sometimes i see drawings of. White fire prophet and just kinda

[frigid tinsel]

even ignoring the race aspect, skids are brown/black in appearance. they're not pink.

[frigid tinsel]

oh that's just bloody depressing

[tulip aspen]

I mean what do you mean actual color palettes these people are drawing them with human faces they don't even have human faces so what does that even mean

first we have to recognize the fact that first off theyre humanizing clay shelled golem beings that aren't human whatsoever

so what do you mean actual color palette as if it's their skin tone they don't have skin

[frigid tinsel]

yknow what they mean

[keen shore]

characters can have a color palette without having skin, do you want an example? :3c

[rigid mural]

Wow the vibes in this chat suddenly are vibes huh

[tulip aspen]

oh well I mean

I was expecting something more along what alasdair was about to say smh, but sure that actually sounds cool salem

[keen shore]

Okay here’s an example. This is my cat character Leo, his color palette is in the rectangle. (I mean, technically he has nose and paw pad skin, but let’s be real it’s not very visible)

[frigid tinsel]

that's dope

[rigid mural]

I just give everyone navy to brown skin like in the game, nbd. I’ve seen more white skykids and tbh I think it’s more to avoid, as a white artist, giving what essentially is your sona black skin. Though I’m with krii that some spirits have black hairstyles and depicting them as white is... 😬

[keen shore]

Yes I am cringe and have animal characters. I refuse to feel shame for it.

[frigid tinsel]

we've been calling it the Upgrade Manta™️. when we asked Ash about it, we got WAFO'd (wait and found out) so maybe we're gonna learn more later as the season progresses.

[tulip aspen]

that's fur tho Salem

see and that provides me with the perfect example that's like okay let's say that instead of golems these were cats with black fur with wings okay

if I turn them into actual humans then how does the logic of having black fur apply at all to what I choose to make their skin tone especially if this game with cats in it was about me choosing to customize my cat however I want to personify me

what if I wanted to be personified as a white person because that's my hypothetical skin tone (pino gang rise)

unhuman things and human characters don't connect at all

I already don't like seeing people draw Sky characters as humans in general and that's my own beef because I don't know that's just how I feel I guess but talking about the skin tone like it matters it's I don't know it's just a whole other ball game

[tulip aspen]

it does happen while we're meditating so I believe it may possibly be a vision

[rigid iron]

No worries, I already have a good idea of why they're important ;)
Just wanted to see if anyone was theorizing yet

[rigid mural]

Oh look, 2019 oob

[half shadow]

Oh yeah I’ve seen some weird pale/peachy skinned skykid art.I dont know how else to say it but it just looks bad is the thing lol. It’s even weirder when they’re like, totally the color white? Skykids colorations are like dark brown to light brown, navy to grey. even if someone was “humanizing” a skykid I have no clue why they’d change their skin so much lol

[rigid mural]

More oob. You think the elders are still spinning around the eden beam ?

[harsh plover]

Whuuuut!? Where it is ?

[rigid iron]

Ohh, that's true! Very possible

[frigid tinsel]

personally I think it's an entity of the sea or the collective soul* of the marine light creatures that granted skykids a power (diving) because, by meditating, they were able to tune into the things within the location and the location answered back.

[harsh plover]

That looks pretty cool

[frigid tinsel]

it's not longer in the game. before it was removed, people could only get there by OOBing and invoking a bug that made them impervious to damage

[rigid iron]

Ooh, that's super cool!

[keen shore]

An example color picked straight from the game for clarity. Obviously you can vary this because it’s a 3D game with the influence of shading and if you want to make your own ocs. Color palettes are pretty much unavoidable in character design. Doesn’t really matter if you’re human or not

[harsh plover]

[keen shore]

I know this is largely a useless semantics discussion, just wanted to explain why I used that specific phrase

[half shadow]

I don’t see how someone can look at a skykid and be like “hm… you know what color I’ll use? peachy white”

it’s also weird when they’re super pale and have 100% human faces. it just looks like someone dresses as a skykid

[harsh plover]

wait if sky kids are golems they don't need to eat or sleep or even breath…

[half shadow]

I mean there’s no evidence that they need to sleep, eat, or breathe the way humans do

[keen shore]

Oh my god this is where the giant spoon came from

[tulip aspen]

okay, but this is a human personification of a non human character

this character has light skintone
it's not 'going against the color palette' of the golem who's shell is made of literal mud, this is a human, in skykid clothes

there is a difference im

this artist isn't drawing a skykid, they're drawing a human in Skykid clothes

[half shadow]

that’s no skykid of mine! the art is very nice though, it’s just… offputting

[frigid tinsel]

honestly, I'm not upset at the people who want to project onto their skykids and make them lighter skinned. I'm upset at this larger phenomena where people of color like myself don't have characters who resemble like them unless they're stereotypes or get retconned in adaptations or lighter skinnned creators being afraid to use or project onto racialized characters so they don't use any.

so here we have characters who, while not human, resemble poc like myself, match their skintone, have their hairstyles. but then a lot of the art of these characters are whitewashed. that's the issue.

[tulip aspen]

yea idk why it's on my feed xD i just knew if i scrolled far enough id find one of these and lo and behold

[keen shore]

Oh I get what you mean!! I thought you meant skykids and non human characters in general didn’t have color palettes, I was super confused

[slate saffron]

I remember the attack on general like it was yesterday, good times

[rigid mural]

In canon, it's unclear how organic skykids are unfortunately.
What we can notice within the game is that their skin/shell color changes depending on the pants they wear; for example, the base game clothes give you a nice shade of brown that becomes dark beige at the extremities, while rhythm pants give you a navy skin color.

Quite frankly this topic can be a minefield, imo.

[tulip aspen]

ngl i dont see it

yes they draw light skin instead of dark skin, but that's a WHOOOLLLEE nother convo about representation in artistic interpretation that i honestly dont believe belongs here because it's not connected anymore,

but thats what yall are talking about, right?

[keen shore]

It is still a bit weird to not try to be as accurate as possible with humanizing non human characters, but not really my place to judge. Plus most of these art pieces don’t make the distinction that it’s a person, and the assumption isn’t always immediately obvious

[frigid tinsel]

i think in some cases with the clothing, they're wearing gloves and such, not the shell changing color. of course that could be it but with the rhythm pants, I'm pretty sure it's gloves

[rigid mural]

Narcissist outfit has gloves yeah but rythm pants don't; your maskless face is navy too when wearing them

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, could I see a pic of what you mean? I'm pretty sure their maskless faces are always black

[keen shore]

Honestly this topic is kind of useless to talk about. It is really frustrating and confusing (to me at least) but no one is going to change their ocs appearance because a bunch of nerds (affectionate) think it’s a little strange

I had to add the affectionate part because I completely forgot some people use nerd as an insult

[half shadow]

oh absolutely, there’s a huge issue with that in a lot of fandoms with non-human characters. I remember seeing a lot of that in the cookie run fandom, it sucks. especially with how much love has been put into creating designs with a lot of obvious inspiration from cultures from all over the world and natural hairstyles. it’s disheartening to see that disregarded, regardless

[rigid mural]

Probably referencing what Krii said about Fire Prophet being drawn as white; some hairstyles are dreads and drawing spirits wearing these as white is really 😬

[harsh plover]

What do you mean ?

[rigid mural]

It's 5am but sure

[tulip aspen]

as i was planning to say with fish, yes with ghe cultural hairstyles it's a lot more understandable of a bother

any and all things else tho, is just... why
so like... any time you see a light skinned skid with a human face, you get mad and emotional? i couldn't live like that tbh

[frigid tinsel]

oh if it's 5am I'll check, I'm running close to a midnight deadline but if you're tired then that's on me

[rigid mural]

@harsh plover this

[harsh plover]

oooh ok ok i get it now

[keen shore]

Honestly, even if they had super straight hair… look at them. All the spirit models have visibly dark “skin”and the switch trailer (arguably more accurate) also has dark “skin”. It’s just odd to me personally how many people choose to ignore that

[rigid mural]

Yeah, just go to daylight prairie, wear maskless and take screenshots while wearing rythm pants and another while wearing base pants, compare them side by side

[keen shore]

I would do it for you but I don’t have any rhythm pants yet

[rigid mural]

Fire proph pants straight up give you blue skin lol

[frigid tinsel]

thing is, for the people who are always regularly represented in media in a humanizing means, I don't think they get it cos they don't experience it. I just want a bit of empathy and for things to change.

[rigid mural]

Nobody was getting mad ? Lol

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm that’s huh

[half shadow]

yeah. with a subject like this I think that just brushing it away with “oh i don’t think it’s wrong so it doesn’t matter” is just harmful

[tulip aspen]

i mean i wish i saw pino skids but okay 🤣

bruv

[keen shore]

I totally get what you mean. I have a similar issue with fanon portrayal but instead of “skin”tone it’s a ton of people choosing to ignore that everyone is non-binary. Non-binary characters are SUPER hard to find so having a world full of them is super refreshing and makes me extremely happy

[rigid mural]

Hey Jam, I'd advise you don't even try stepping around these eggshells.

[half shadow]

this is purely in relation to darker colored skin

[keen shore]

It’s a very specific kind of happiness that’s hard to explain to someone who’s never experienced it

[half shadow]

in short; regardless if a chatacter design is nonhuman, regardless if they’re an oc, it is strange to look at a design based off of real world non-white cultures and people and decide to redraw it with everything the same except for white skin. i think we can all agree there’s something inherently wrong with that. especially for those who lack actual characters in media they feel represented by.

[tulip aspen]

non binary for sure, i get that

sploon was very good at that

well, gender fluid, anyways
.

also, this whole convo should be eggshells, not just what im saying, but ill dip, sorry vela

[keen shore]

Pre sky, I could count the number of non-binary characters I knew of on one hand. Half of them were inaccurately portrayed and every single one was white
Its just really cool having a world where being non-binary is not seen as some weird fringe thing and is jsut… the norm

[rigid iron]

There are really good shots in the trailer where you can see that the ancestors have dark skin, and even fingernails, which I think is fascinating.

[harsh plover]

Wait that’s the Nintendo switch trailer

[rigid iron]

The small details like the light passing through in the fingers and making them a warm tone is really cool

[deft lintel]

About the new season, here a little paint on whale that look like it have lore behind this
After wesee how this submerged city was destroyed
Even the tower have like scratch mark like if a giant creature scratch it

[fickle wing]

the switch trailer is so so swag when it comes 2 showing the ancestors n colors when they were
yknow alive n stuff
the red and green n blue n patterns on clothing along w the dark skintone n all that jazz

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's why I love the "there's no gender in Sky" quip. I love that the devs said that cos people take it as the word of god in these cases, but more that the devs intended this. of course there's people who don't know and by cultural conditioning will gender things, but you can still be nonbinary and look like that. with Sky, we can represent that. it's cool. it's refreshing. it makes me think of how the Sky kingdom, as a genderless society, functioned and how skykids' civilization functions.

[tulip aspen]

they have fingernails???
no way....... i dont really see fingernails in that shot..

also, that skin is still just a shell (prolly )

[half shadow]

That is an Ancestor, not a skykid

[stone cargo]

[rigid iron]

Why would a shell have fingernails my guy?

[half shadow]

The Skykids are clearly made to resemble Ancestor children

[tulip aspen]

fascinating, you think ancestors were biological?

also i just dont see fingernails, just well sculpted hands?

[harsh plover]

Damn look that

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that makes me think that whatever happened to the facility, the damage was at least in part due to a creature.

[keen shore]

THIS and also I especially love how some spirits aren’t androgynous at all and are still just as non-binary as everyone else

[rigid iron]

Jam you are so wild I wish I can be as confident as you someday

[deft lintel]

Ye

[half shadow]

You can sort of see the light reflected on the pointer finger nail as well as the outline around the thumbnail

[fickle wing]

THIS RIGHT HERE
as someone who’s nb and not andro it’s so neat to see it

[frigid tinsel]

nintendo switch release trailer had no right to go off as hard as it did

[harsh plover]

So that puts out the theory that they are golems

[frigid tinsel]

that's more likely an ancestor child in the trailer, not a skykid

[half shadow]

I think that Ancestors were definitely biological, they clearly had a need to eat and sleep just judging from the ruins left behind

[stone cargo]

yeah— those are definitely fingernails. the souls featured in the trailers are definitely fleshy, i think that’d translate for skids as well

[deft lintel]

Plus their emote
They probably eat crab too has we see from the camp fire of gw

[rigid iron]

skykids may be golems but the ancestors were definitely biological since they ate, drank, and could die in ways skykids can't

[frigid tinsel]

we see in Angler's memories the abyss spirits fishing, prob for food

[tulip aspen]

im not sure i really see fingernails

and thanks bea, it does get tiring sometimes but i wouldnt live any other way, means a lot

if they really do have fingernails, that means theyre biological which, uh... wow

that changes everything.

||it wont let me send images wth||

[harsh plover]

What are those red things ? Spiders ? Corrupted spiders ?

[stone cargo]

how the hell do you not

[deft lintel]

Skykid are not exactly golem
They are biological but more of light source
Like an angel kinda
Wish explain why they don't need to eat or drink but need to breath for sure
And everyone become rock when we are full of darkness

[rigid mural]

I'm not asking you to leave, it's just that with that kind of topic, a misstep can quickly turn things sour.

Context: black and brown people have a lot of difficulty finding media portraying them as people

This game: offers a cast that looks mostly made out of POC

Problem: some artists insist on drawing the characters as pasty white, to the point it can get offensive

While I get your reasoning that everyone is entitled to their views, dismissing people finding or supporting rep because skids could be golem is... not a good look. Saying that so you understand why you're getting a lot of people on your back right now 😬

[half shadow]

No not really, personally I’ve been going off the assumption that the Ancestors are biological, while the Skykids are not. In a way, Skykids are just mimicking what the Ancestor spirits are doing in a lot of their emotes, which makes extra sense if Skykids are designed to look like Ancestor children.

[tulip aspen]

cos... i dont?

i see the shape where it would be, but i dont see a proper outline for it

yall, who's being really rude rn, cos it aint me

[deft lintel]

Like children that mimic their parents

[rigid iron]

TGC release the HD hand pics for Jam please

[stone cargo]

HELP

[fickle wing]

HWLP

[tulip aspen]

hmm okay

i really wonder how that would work if they truly are biological, about how they were created and appeared, but ig we may never know

interesting

[half shadow]

Even without fingernails the evidence pointing towards Ancestors being biological can be found just throughout the world. They have places they sleep, cups and dishes assumed to be eating spaces, that sort of thing.

[stone cargo]

like. are you blind.

[tulip aspen]

pls ash pls help us

@stone cargo idk about blind, but i sure could get a mod if u need their help

[deft lintel]

Btw
Skykid probably have not good eyesight or completely blind without their mask
Like when they don't even are close of a wall or an object, they would put their arms on it like a blind person
Plus they may use their honk like how bat does for to see their ways

[harsh plover]

hey hey hey easy brothers everyone calm down we are having a good time

[half shadow]

echolocating was honest to god the only way i beat the fire trial lol

[frigid tinsel]

especially with fire trial currently being void ball x40

[deft lintel]

Ye
Use more our ears than eyes

[half shadow]

I never noticed that all skykids sort of automatically put their hands out to touch whatevers in front of them Dark, that’s sorta neat

[deft lintel]

Welp
Good I gave this infos xd

[frigid tinsel]

that's not an indication of blindness. sure, they probably use some form of echolocation or sound to supplement their other senses, but actual blind people don't reach out with their hands to navigate, that's what sighted people who currently don't have sight do. actual blind people are used to being blind, they don't need to reach out and touch things to navigate.

we were talking earlier about skykids' eyes if you wanna scroll up chat a few hours.

[half shadow]

I headcanon that skids possess extra-sensory perception through touch and hearing as well as their sight which is why they can get around even with what looks to be like closing their eyes. Technically they’re little magical bodies made of clay/stone/and magic Light so it’s not like they need perfect eyes just to see around either

[deft lintel]

I mean by like when they are close of object only
Not like all their way but ye

[frigid tinsel]

also consider, children like to touch things

[half shadow]

as a former children yes

[deft lintel]

Oh lol
Kinda cute through

[harsh plover]

@karmic ledge Help we need you here

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure ancestors were biological to some extent but I don’t think they’re just recolored humans if that makes sense. They still visibly glow from the inside and have eyes more resembling skykids than developed human eyes. Their masks almost seem a part of their face in the switch trailer (although this is debatable given maskless spirits).

For the biological part, they can obviously die permanently and probably need to eat and drink although this is not fully said, just implied. They definitely need to sleep. There are kids so it’s not like adults just spawn out of nowhere. They need shelter, evidenced by the fact that they build houses. They can feel heat and cold, and experience distress from it (shivering emote). They obviously have emotions similar to ours (this isn’t fully evidence, and feeling emotions does not correlate at all to being human, but is just related to a thought process I had wondering if immortal or nonbiological sapient beings in general would have the same range of emotions we do, considering they don’t need to feel fear for as many things, don’t have human evolution as the reason for lots of emotions like loneliness, so on. What I’m trying to say here is that if they were, say, immortal, they would probably act differently to some extent)

[frigid tinsel]

skykids also turn to look at each other or spirits, which blind people don't do

[deft lintel]

Woah don't ping them plz
They are maybe busy since they probably have family plus they work has dev

[frigid tinsel]

it's against the rules to ping devs

[harsh plover]

Oooh sorry then

[keen shore]

The curse of writing essays to explain your feelings on a topic but by the time it’s done everyone else has moved on

[deft lintel]

What wonder me is
What exactly is the reason of our skykid hugging their own light themself after the eden world
Is it like they are making peace inside themself or maybe help someon?
Who know

[harsh plover]

I haven’t read all the rules it won’t happen again brothers

My apologies 😓

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes I imagine a moth picking a flower or a rock, looking at it, inspecting it, then plopping it in their mouth. the older skykid babysitting them screams.

[deft lintel]

XD

[keen shore]

Oh so just like human children

[frigid tinsel]

moths are babies, they do baby things

[rigid iron]

That makes the lore of them having to save everyone even more concerning

[frigid tinsel]

Sky: Traumatized Children of the Light

[rigid iron]

Season of Therapy

[keen shore]

Okay but actually. Skykids are almost definitely purposefully designed, right? What good reason would there be to design a species that has to save literally everyone and witness tons of death and pain and give them the minds of children? That’s just signing them up for trauma

[frigid tinsel]

even if they weren't children, a lot of the things they experience would still be traumatic

[rigid iron]

Megabird does a little trolling ig

[keen shore]

Oh yeah definitely but making them kids feels like putting salt in an already massive wound

[keen shore]

I guess you could say it’s so theyre more innocent so they don’t really absorb all the pain (ex calling a spirit who is obviously actively dying a fainting warrior) but it doesn’t seem worth it. Kids already look for people to look up to. (this is a weird phrasing, I can’t think of a better way, just try to get what I mean in general) Why would you plop them in a world where almost everyone is dead, the only friends they really have are each other who all have the same issue, and very few spirits and elders go to the effort of or are even able to show them basic kindness

[deft lintel]

I remember mega bird just asked their child to get back all those stars they lost
Maybe wish mean the wl kinda
But then our skykid decide to save the poor sound trapped in darkness statues xd

[keen shore]

It’s okay, it doesn’t count as dying because they can get better

[deft lintel]

The most painful spirit are the forest and golden wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

“Fainting” Warrior

[deft lintel]

Golden wasteland by the war
Forest by the rain and accident like worker trapped in tunnel rock where the crying spirit end in...

[keen shore]

Maybe they’re supposed to mature and grow up but none of them actually live long enough to do that. …Nevermind, this just makes it worse

[rigid iron]

Megabird preparing us for our journey

[rigid mural]

This memory makes me so sad, the sound even gets it across they are getting weaker

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea, devs did a wonderful job with the sound and visual storytelling here. crushed my feels in the process but that's the point ig

[half shadow]

this one really gets me. especially how it’s clear that the warrior isn’t really “fainting,” but the skykid interprets it in a much less upsetting way

[keen shore]

For real, the way the skykid interprets it somehow makes it more upsetting

[rigid mural]

Petition to make TGC let us hug the fainting warrior spirit.

[keen shore]

Why stop there? We should be able to hug ALL spirits (and they should sit down for it so we don’t just hug their ankles)

[harsh plover]

same thing

[frigid tinsel]

i imagine it as a new skykid, a bonafide moth, interpreting it. someone mentioned earlier that at that point, the moth hasn't experienced dying in Eden or death at all, so they don't know what death is

[half shadow]

i think there’s only a few other instances like that where the skykid doesn’t really emote the actual motions the spirits do but I can’t think of the others

[rigid mural]

Sky kids that went to Eden and sit next to this spirit's grave & playing music or just silently hanging out, with the aftertaste of death.

[half shadow]

man I had a whole headcanon write up of what “Skykid culture” could potentially look like and there was an emphasis on those who had gone through Eden purposefully not informing new moths about what was to come in order to protect them

[fickle wing]

i always saw it as all skykids thinking the warrior is just. Sleeping or that their death isn’t all that serious
after all when skykid go to eden they’re reborn
so skykids just see this person dying and go oh ok it’s not anything that bad! wonder when they’re gonna b reborn but. Ancestors didn’t work that way so

i think skykids don’t rlly. Get the concept of a permanent death

[frigid tinsel]

"skykid culture" is something I've been thinking about a lot as I write in my ficverse. I don't think they'd push new moths to do Eden, but there will (usually) be an experienced skykid who guide them along.
an exception being one of my sky OCs who was abandoned in Eden as a moth.

[keen shore]

Oooh skykid culture is a topic I haven’t seen us talk about before. My only initial thought is that they’d be VERY social and cling together, partially because they need each other to help with stuff like opening doors and baiting krills but also because with everyone else dead, without a group of close friends, they get lonely and depressed very quickly

[frigid tinsel]

skykid society is literally anarchy. there may be some organized groups, but there's no formal institutions dictating everyone

[keen shore]

Having the assembly torch item is the skykid equivalent of being the mom friend that carries snacks and bandaids around

[half shadow]

I wrote up a bunch about my thoughts and posted it in this channel if you’d ever want to take a look! it included how candlemaking was sort of a tradition as well as gifting them

[keen shore]

Due to their… weird… anatomy and not really being given a functioning tongue, most skykids can’t really speak so they communicate via emotes and sign+body language

Moths are banned from getting into the glowing paint because they’re children and will just fingerpaint kid things everywhere, destroying historical murals in the process. Somewhere there’s a visual detailed explanation of the kingdoms history with the important part covered by sloppy manta doodles

[frigid tinsel]

in my ficverse I have the Wasteland navigators, a sort of club dedicated to guiding moths through Wasteland. they also explore the expanded areas of the Wasteland when the storm moves. it was Wasteland navigators on boats who discovered Treasure Reef.
well, one boat and it capsized but they're fine, they're fine

[slate saffron]

HEY I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE TINY KRILL AND MY MIND IS RACING WITH POSSIBILITIES.

Based on these images from the current season, there's 3 main ideas i can think of

1.krill don't start out all big and massive and *incomprehensively terrifying but rather start off small and grow in size depending on the conditions present in the water! This would explain why the krill here are rather small compared to their mainland counterparts. (It could also mean that krill size changes according to food availability but that doesn't seem very realistic given their hard shells). Beyond that this means the origin animal(s) for the krill don't have to be massive in size as they could get corrupted then grow bigger with time.

2. Krill are present outside of the Golden wasteland. Although this has being previously assumed, it's nice to know that this is the case! Also based on reaction it seems that the scavenger crew are familiar with krill out in these waters and that krill seem to fill a predator role both on land and in the sea, talk about adaptable!

3. Krill can survive in none-polluted waters. As the scavenger crew seem to be pretty recent to this location past the point at which the water here could be considered containmented and the fact that we can swim in it it leaves me to believe that the krill don't need polluted water to survive but rather just prefer it.

[slate saffron]

ALSO IM HALF SURE THAT THE KRILL ARE THE RESULT OF AN AMALGAMATION OF LIGHT-CREATURE BITS THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THE LIGHT EXTRACTION PROCESS USED IN THE MANUFACTURING OF POWER DIAMONDS AS SEEM TO BE INDICATED BY THE MURALS UNDERWATER THAT TALK ABOUT HOW THE ||Leviathan|| WAS BORN. KRILL ARE JUST SMALLER VERSIONS OF THE VERY LARGE DANGER NOODLE BELOW THE TOWER.

also the smol krill is very adorable

[keen shore]

what if krill become larger and more powerful based on how much light they absorb

[frigid tinsel]

that is how darkness plants operate. the bigger they are, the more light they give off/had inside them

[keen shore]

HEYYY THATS MY KRILL ORIGIN HEADCANON!!!

[slate saffron]

YOOO THAT'S AWESOME

[keen shore]

My theory as to the dark plates is that it’s just the skeleton becoming so misshapen it bursts through and covers their skin, plus added darkness hardening it due to the dark flakes that shower down from krill (aka krill dandruff)

[lofty void]

danger noodle

[slate saffron]

It could also be the result of the dark-tar-goop crystalizing (as is does around the pipes near the saluting spirit's ship)!

[keen shore]

OHH TRUE I keep forgetting that happens! Maybe if we landed on the plates the not yet hardened parts would cave in a bit

I kind of want to make a timeline of how dead manta conglomerates turn into krill but I worry it would be too gruesome to post here

[slate saffron]

As long as doesn't show any blood it would probably be fine

[keen shore]

I would probably give add black tar like “blood” (my headcanon is that light creatures have glowing yellow-white blood, but after being drained of light it becomes that) although it shouldn’t be too identifiable. But honestly, the visual of manta corpses just merging and melting into one another as the skeleton bursts out of its skin might be too horrifying even without blood

[slate saffron]

a tiny little bit of krill trama never hurt anyone!

[keen shore]

It wouldn’t contain any obvious gore, but would I post it in a server full of kids? Probably not lol

[slate saffron]

Good point

[keen shore]

Speaking of krill trauma, I am so glad skykids aren’t squishy because if they were, krill would totally impale them.
Can you imagine a krill flying around with a bunch of corpses/skykid shells just hanging off its horns

[thin dirge]

Implied to be the case when you use the lv 2 and 4 emote of the Fainting Warrior, as theres "Zzzzzz...." effects after falling down. Either the Sky kid really just fell asleep afterwards, or that's literally how they interpreted what happened.

Leaning towards the latter, as usually emotes are directly copied from the spirit, (Tho only for lv 1 and 2), and lv 2 still has the "Zzzz..." effects on. Meaning thats actually how they saw it.

[frigid tinsel]

tbf it's common to coloring blood and gore anything but red in media aimed for kids and it still gets greenlit so

[keen shore]

True, but I’m worried if I make the end piece too detailed it would still end up counting as body horror and be too gruesome to post here (sad because I love body horror) even if there isn’t explicit blood

[frigid tinsel]

Body horror is my jam. If you do ever make something of like and paste it on tumblr, let me know

[hushed steeple]

Sorry I haven't been on all day, or I guess yesterday now. I was too busy playing Pokemon legends arceus and getting the elusive garchomp kimono after reaching the 2hr mark at 3 hrs and 35 min.

What are we talking about.

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are naïve and krill body horror is an unexplored concept, get on this TGC

[keen shore]

I’m considering just posting it here and spoilering it or something along those lines (like posting a link with a warning)
I will let you know if I post it elsewhere though

[hushed steeple]

I'd say I'm good at horror, I once replaced a persons face with a gaping saw mouth and a false removable face in a drawing.

[keen shore]

So my current idea is that krills are manta conglomerates… wonder if they could be made up of more massive light creature corpses or even ancestors

[frigid tinsel]

Body horror gets my anatomy and physiology interests tingling. Also I’m trans and sorta explored my dysphoria that way

[keen shore]

I don’t really have a fancy reason for liking it. I just think it’s neat (along with horror that revolves around something malicious that is very clearly not a person trying to fake being one)

[frigid tinsel]

Valid

[hushed steeple]

Would a drawing of a torn a sewn together teddy bear with in fitting arms, A giant tear for a smile and eyes and an exposed heart count as a form of body horror?

I don't have any specific reason why, I'm just curious is all
Pure........curiosity..........

[frigid tinsel]

that's an SCP

[hushed steeple]

sigh do I have to dm you a picture or will you see that it is different.
Wait, I forgot to mention the real entity behind these things is, to put it in comprehensive word, a really tall persons nervous system.

[harsh plover]

wait what?!!

[hushed steeple]

Surprise, I'm a bit of a horror artist. Sorta.
I mean its not like I made a creature so big I can't even measure it accurately, and said creature also plays on to peoples fears of the deep sea and centipedes, and maybe even the fear of being stared at.
And I'm definitely not the one who made a very tall and lanky malnutrition looking demon thing with a neck so thin it can't support its and and it has peg lime legs, no feet, and its arms aren't necessarily attached to its body and can extend out to unreasonable lengths.

[rustic heron]

You just described the average Reddit user.

[harsh plover]

[harsh plover]

brother are you ok...?

[rustic heron]

Just a picture of the wife, since I saw others posting pictures and we were talking about Vault the other day.

[harsh plover]

that's a nice draw

[rustic heron]

She's sad because she's dead

Also, that's just how she looks 24/7. Why she made her mask sad is a topic for lore discussion.

[harsh plover]

hmmm interesting....

i think she has a scar on her left eye...

[clear granite]

Holly ||stratosphere|| I- I'm not really that much into the lore, but I like to try figuring out how spirits died and now that I think I realized how the praying acolyte died I'm frikin crying

she went praying for all of her friends that died as she's walking up the cliff, and at the end she's at the very border of it, and she pray one last time probably for herself, and then it's the end of the memory

i- why does this game has to be so beautiful but so dark at the same time?

(also sorry if I interrupted)

[thin dirge]

Its dark, but not many ppl care about the dark side as thats mostly lore that they dont even know exists

[harsh pecan]

Ooo a lore moff! ||have you heard about the king||

[hexed silo]

wait wait how do people visualize abyss before it sunk (because im having trouble, where does the water start before,, or like was it all without water? did they use elevators to go up or down? ???)

[harsh pecan]

Probably the latter, I don’t think they’d want to work in a place that’s submerged in water

[hexed silo]

how did they control the water tho it doesnt make sense lol

[harsh pecan]

Wait they do? If so then technically I think

[rustic heron]

Or perhaps Abyss is actually a marine research facility. It would explain the energy panes

[hexed silo]

i think everyone has communally agreed they did research in there

[rustic heron]

Right, but what I meant was in was built submerged. It has never been above water.

[hexed silo]

how did the spirits function then

[rustic heron]

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking how they got in and out?

[hexed silo]

yeah sorta

[harsh plover]

i don't understand either

[harsh plover]

what do you mean ? exactly ?

[late wasp]

I don't think they removed the water, going by some of the murals we can see that either the sea level was lower back then or that the island was higher then.
either way, it wasn't submerged originally.

here, @ Sky Nomad posted this a while back.
Here you can clearly see the original water/isle level. @hexed silo

[hexed silo]

oh that makes way more sense now ty

[harsh plover]

yeap that makes way more sense

[late wasp]

I wonder if the Shop Lore is canon... Because if it is...
this quote has some heavy implications

[harsh plover]

maybe it is canon

someone is still awake ?

[nimble ingot]

hello

[nimble ingot]

skykid origins?

[clear granite]

I did, I have been playing sky for almost a year now, I just don't really look too much into the lore usually lol

[late wasp]

all light origins. it means Darkness has a more legitimaly take on being in control, than Light does.
There is a quote from Goethe's Faust that perfectly encapsulates the idea:

“I am a part of the part that at first was all, part of the darkness that gave birth to the light, that supercilious light which now disputes with Mother Night her ancient rank and space, and yet cannot succeed; no matter how it struggles, it sticks to matter and can't get free.”

[distant turtle]

It is Mephistopheles introducing himself to Faust

[thin dirge]

Wait, thats in Shop?

WOAH THATS LITERALLY HOW I INTERPRETED AND DESCRIBED THE VERY BEGINNING OF SKY'S WORLD WOAAAHHH

Tho considering the kind of world Sky takes place in, its kinda obvious thats how it wouldve began lol

Oh yeah... GW is next for the pins, isnt it? Ooh, what lore hints will the new poems give for Mr GW Elder? Isle, Prairie, and Forest gave interesting crumbs....

[neat flint]

Megabird origin?

[late wasp]

holly molly, just saw something that is a bit mind boggling.
in forgotten ark desert you can see a giant anchor ⚓ the size of the ark itself.
what was it used to anchor?

i know Ash said the floating factories were a glitch, but if they weren't it would make a lot of sense to have anchors that big.

[nimble ingot]

The anchor is very big, and there is another ship wreck in the area.
It could be possible that there was a bigger ship in the fleet.
Perhaps not pictured in the mural, though there is a good chance for there being a bigger boat in Sky.

[late wasp]

let me google anchor-to-ship size ratio

it would be a ship the size of an entire realm

"please give new flying ship realm"

oh wait... we already have that... it's the Eden Ship!

[harsh plover]

whut?! you didnt know about that thing

[late wasp]

I was more interested in the crab and red light lore the first time i went there 😅

[harsh plover]

jajaja i was more intersted on the red light jajaja

[rich prawn]

Why the mask on top of the Home portal to the Isle isn't engraved on the Home portal to Eden?

[late wasp]

It is one of the major questions in the lore. Why is the Isle Elder not part of the portal to Eden or the Eden Gates.

[rich prawn]

At first the Eden Gates reminds the pentagram, 4 elements + spirit, in this case the spirit would be the Vault probably

In the Tarot five is the number of disequilibrium, a challenge that allows further growth, that seems fitting for Eden.

Also the fifth Major Arcana is the Hierophant, representing teaching, knowledge and responsability in a tarot spread, that reminds the Vault, now 5th realm and not 6th anymore

[graceful lance]

I like to think that krill are just their own species, with that small krill being much younger than the ones in golden wasteland

[late wasp]

Relevant to note also how both in the Vault and in the very top of Eden, the Isle Elder is represented there (with the Vault Elder in a central position, likely of leadership). Meaning, at least as far as the construction of the Wasteland Citadel and the Vault of Knowledge, the Isle Elder was aligned with the other Elders.

It was between this time and the construction of the portal to Home that somehow the Isle Elder no longer was involved with the Eden.

[rich prawn]

Super interesting! :)

[rich prawn]

The STAR pin poem of the Isle elder refers to boats leaving and the elder receiving those falling, maybe after Eden. The pin function takes u to oob elder and the land appears to be shaped as a coffin. Also the elder appears to be much older in comparison to his peers....

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, development wise, eden portal was created first, in aviary, when Isle was not considered one of the realms, but just the tutorial.

They where rude enough to not add grandpas face on afterward!

[rigid mural]

Oh I like you. 5 is also a number for stability depending on where you look; I know that a common pattern in East Asia has the 4 cardinal points (south/crimson/firebird, east/jade/dragon, north/black/turtle and west/white/tiger), along with one last central point (center/gold/qilin).
Not as sure about it but I think some celtic patterns also include the center as a cardinal point, though I will have to check on that.
You got the 4 legs of a table, but if you put a 5th axis in the center, you get the symbol of the wheel spinning around it.

[rigid mural]

Ok but something cool !
In tarot card reading, it is one of the 22 Major Arcana, sometimes numbered as 0 (the first) or XXII (the last). However, in decks designed for playing traditional tarot card games, it is typically unnumbered, as it is not one of the 21 [Major, original word is censored] cards and instead serves a unique purpose by itself.
The Fool is the arcana 0 and what is its purpose ? I think it kinda fits what the Isle Elder watches over
In many esoteric systems of tarot card interpretation, the Fool is interpreted as the protagonist of a story, and the Major Arcana is the path the Fool takes through the great mysteries of life. This path is known traditionally in cartomancy as the "Fool's Journey", and is frequently used to introduce the meaning of Major Arcana cards to beginners.

[boreal nebula]

There are two different models of mid size Regular Mantas, with or without (open?) fins ( could it be a retcon? )

I'd like to point out once again the similaritues between Great Mantas and Baby "Pancakes" Mantas
Dorsal horn(s)
S-shape wings
Minor yellow decorations

So I don't think Pancakes grow into Regular Mantas (they have more rounded shape and more yellow outlines, even on the tail)

[slate saffron]

I thought so as well a while back, but apparently krill were confirmed to be the corrupted form of another species a while back during one of TGC's livestreams!

Here's a link https://youtu.be/nAi0vHGgmlw

[rich prawn]

Yes! Specially if u consider the Isle as a training ground. The Fool points to the beginning of a journey, the trials also dialog with this, thinking of an assessment and the origin of the elements bestowed upon each realm. Watching over reminds me of the NPC that is allowing players in the office and sells the founders cape, is using the Isle elder headpiece.

[weak osprey]

HELLO. GOD IT TOOK FOREVER BUT I REQUIRE A SUMMARY OF YOUR HEADCANNONS AND ALREADY CONFIRMED LORE

[rigid mural]

There's a bunch of lore docs but they're a bit outdated. They will occupy you for a while tho !

Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

Theories Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[keen shore]

The idea that wasteland’s actual land was only used for factories and the actual people lived on massive floating ships so they could get to work in any of them is not something I’ve heard before, and I absolutely love it

At some point this chat is just going to make me draw like 10 different alternate reconstructions of wasteland

[keen shore]

We have headcanons for days, but how confirmed lore works here is we basically get the tiniest confirmed tidbit + whatever ingame evidence we can find and have to construct the rest of theories around it lollll

[half shadow]

This is less of a theory but I’m obsessed with cackling cannoneer. Were they a soldier now tasked with travel security? Their cracked mask indicates them being rough-and-tumble. They might be a little bit unhinged. Are all of the Abyss crew former military? Were they traveling to the GW or away?

Ash please let me see the concept art for these friends

side note I loved the little profiles for the Flight gang that were posted ahead of time and I’m sad we didn’t get them for Abyss crew 😔 pain. suffering, even

it doesn’t seem like their destination was meant to be Treasure Reef according to the murals showing their ship being attacked by the big worm feller. but if that’s the case then why do they have an angler on board? or did they just become the angler out of necessity once they crashed

Also it’s interesting how we have Ceasing Commodore instead of Ceasing Captain. This might just be because commodore as a word sounded better and we already have Saluting Captain as an existing spirit, but I still think it’s neat. The difference between a captain and a commodore is that the commodore commands multiple ships instead of just one, usually a flotilla (smaller sized formation of warships.)

This might imply there was an airship-based navy at one point that was utilized in combat, possibly the war. Or it could just be a fun word they picked that’s unique from captain and my nautical special interest is just super loud

And for additional reference if anybody doesn’t know: A boatswain is basically in charge of a ships equipment. Makes sense why Bumbling Boatswain was the one fiddling with supplies in their memory.

[deep osprey]

I KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE CAN SOLVE THE LORE ONCE AND FOR ALL!

WE NEED TO CONTACT GAME THEORY. GET MATPAT IN HERE.

[half shadow]

Additionally because it’s dead in here, might I propose unofficial nicknames:

Anxious Angler: Angie (pronounced “Ang-ee” with hard G)

Cackling Canoneer: CC (Cece)

Bumbling Boatswain: BB (Bebe) or Bumble

Ceasing Commodore: I’d say Commy but people would make communism jokes. Unfortunately I can’t think of anything else so we might just have to deal with it.

don’t bring that man round here I’ll start a fight with him

[deep osprey]

Ah. Another one who gives Human names to Spirits. Instead of using their own names, I just look at them and think of what would fit them. For example, you look at Blushing Prospecter and say "Yea that's a Naomi 100%"

[half shadow]

LOL respect to you I usually just look at what their titles are and come up with something there. it’s usually not an issue to just type out their title except when doing theory stuff when you have to spell out a lot and my brain just gets impatient

We also don’t really know what the role of the Abyss guide was. They’re definitely not in line with the general navy-theme that most of the others have going on. They appear to be significantly younger than the rest of their crew. Maybe they were a family member traveling with them? They do have a kind of fancy cape as well

Another cool note about Abyss Crew: They all have the symbol of the blue diamond present on them. Angie and CC have almost identical ones, possibly indicating their of similar rank. Meanwhile Bumble’s got multiple little diamonds that appear to be either fancy buttons… or maybe badges?

(Side note I love the mail armor-y look of CC’s cape and it also reminds me of fish scales which I hope was intentional)

Now Commy’s cape doesn’t have the blue diamond, but it still has diamond shaped insignia on it in a bit of a more refined, official looking manner. But! Looking at their mask, they actually have a blue diamond imbedded straight into the forehead, which stands out from the others

now i’m gonna fall back asleep after flooding chat insert tuxedo mask “my job here is done” gif

[harsh plover]

Sleep well brother

[rigid mural]

I hope Cackling Cannoneer is the florida man of the crew, you bet they are a bit unhinged.

[upbeat wind]

Guys I have a feeling that sky children don't really have consciousness for themselves cuz they involve themselves in danger

[olive halo]

i involve myself in danger all the time and im reasonably sure im conscious

[upbeat wind]

Without really knowing.

[olive halo]

yeah i do that too

[late wasp]

my theory is that skids are sleep deprived due to the player forcing them to flying around and honk. the moment the player cut them some slack skids try to recover some sleep in an instant.

[keen shore]

Matpat would see my skykids are pineapples joke theory and take it seriously

[uncut pond]

Matpat would argue that the office is a place that actually physically exists in the game's canon

[nimble ingot]

Matpat would theorise how the skykids posses the souls of the fallen children of the Ancestors.

[uncut pond]

I always thought they had the soup of the prince/king/whatever the white kid at Eden is

THE SOUP 🤦‍♂️
I meant soul*

[nimble ingot]

too late it is a theory, a fan theory.
Skykids had Eden Soup!

[late wasp]

I really need to know, who is talking to the skids during the intro?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are full of wax /hj

[half shadow]

vela i’m crying laughing thank you

[keen shore]

Darkstone is obviously important to the abyss spirits in some capacity (I mean, the fact that they’re gathering it in quests makes it pretty obvious). I didn’t notice this detai before but it definitely hammers it in even more.

My first thought was that they were trying to get darkstone to power their ship so they could leave because the boatswains memory has them trying to gather wood, but the way the boat is set up to look more like a house than something that would actually be reasonable on water is making me suspicious of that. The boat doesn’t seem like it has room below deck to store it so they might have just constructed the shelves post arrival. Would also mean that they either lost their former supplies in whatever disaster brought them to the reef or they didn’t have much in the first place since they didn’t expect to be out on the water for long.
||Since we know light creatures like to absorb light, (especially us because we’re obsessed with wax) and stay near it, and krill also try to absorb our light out of desperation, and some people headcanon this season happened post storm when not much light could be found in GW, what if they were trying to use it as artificial light to survive but ran out?||

[half shadow]

Oooo that’s a neat theory. I definitely feel like Abyss is set post-Storm or at least post-whatever disaster that caused the facility to be sunken into the Reef, which technically might not be the Storm. And considering there are also krill present in the waters, I think it’s possible they were trying to set up their boat as a shelter like you said.

[keen shore]

I’m still debating whether it happened post storm because some of the wasteland memories show that’s definitely possible, although I feel like I’d need more evidence for the abyss spirits yknow? Due to them existing kind of isolated on an island it’s hard to get a great grip on the timeline

[frigid tinsel]

I feel like we're going to find out why the Abyss crew is collecting the power diamonds in the upcoming quests (hopefully eyes Monday nervously), but the image that came to mind while reading that was them breaking open the power diamonds like an egg and sucking out the light as if it were yolk

[keen shore]

This is a very funny mental picture, although considering they put it in their clothes and masks I feel like they’d just like… stick it to their bodies and slowly absorb it

It is also interesting that the diamond fits perfectly into the weird diamond hole? on our masks we currently have no explanation for

[frigid tinsel]

but yea, the Abyss crew are described as "scavengers." what brings to mind is either a ragtag group of misfits estranged by common society and doing their best to live on the margins or survivors straggling in the ruins of a fallen or struggling civilization. they don't really show it but they seem to be living in desperation.

[late wasp]

something relevant i mentioned recently, like the "eating light" idea, is how the "diving breath" mechanic is more light related. and how TGC had foresight in making the dive masks all have crystals in them (explaining the extra "breath" when using them)

this is another potential use for the crystals
powering their ship could also be another one, if we assume their ship ran out of crystal juice

[keen shore]

It could also be they travel around trying to raid abandoned places for supplies to sell and get rich, but I’m leaning towards these two options

[keen shore]

Isn’t eden soup just the polluted water that drains our light??

[nimble ingot]

perhaps, I was messing around with the wording.

[frigid tinsel]

canonically, polluted water is analogous to alcohol. so a bowl of "Eden Soup" would make ye drunk.
silence SoTLP isn't canon debaters

[nimble ingot]

Even the finest grape juice can turn into wine.

Though the alcholic dark water theory was/is not well received by the mods/devs, as far as I understood what happened in the past.

[half shadow]

I still contend that the diamonds on the Abyss crew are representative of some sort of ranking just due to how they all have some kind of seafaring naval vibe going on. Though not really “sea”faring I guess because Ancestor boats are flown through clouds instead of the actual sea

[frigid tinsel]

i just headcanon that swimming or wading in polluted water would make skids disoriented

[half shadow]

it definitely causes fatigue/a draining effect

[nimble ingot]

You may have a point there.
It is well established the paddles sky boats can both travel on the water as well as in the air.
The Abyss ship should be able to fly based on the paddle logic.

[half shadow]

Yeah, the mural implies that it was originally in flight before the big worm thing jumped out of the water and crashed them. Whatever apparatus that allows the boat to fly, possibly a power diamond, was probably damaged so they resorted to scavenging until they could find the means to repair

[nimble ingot]

I like that idea.
It gives the crew a very good reason to why they are trying to get as many diamonds as they can.
The more they have, the better their chances are of being able to fly away.

[frigid tinsel]

at the end of the season, the Abyss crew has enough resources to repair their boat's flying mechanism and flies off into the horizon

[half shadow]

Yeah! I think they just happened to land in an area with an old darkstone mine, and they themselves probably had to dive down a lot and scavenge. All of the power diamonds they collect are also much smaller than any we’ve seen before, so I think that they’re having to collect many of them to compensate for one larger one. Just going off of their memories though, it seems like they’re fairly acquainted with the area. Thought I’m not really sure what it is that Abyss Guide is collecting in their bucket for multiple memories, I used to think it was clams but I’m not 100% sure

[keen shore]

Surviving Death Itself With The Power of Alcohol

[keen shore]

“Nooooo!! Come back! I’m supposed to ascend you!”
[sounds of spirit laughter slowly fading away]

Also I just realized I managed to tag you twice, sorry about that

[frigid tinsel]

you made me spit out my water, all good

[nimble ingot]

speaking of the clams. I am sure they are the way they are for the sake of including a way to gather wax underwater.
Though I wonder if the dark clams are in fact canon and may have once been light clams?

I suppose this is allowed in lore chat now. I am bitter at the abys ship being watered down. Even if it was because it may not have fit the sky aesthetic. I beg to differ based on how the clams and lack of coral in a area know as a reef.
I'd would much rather call it Crystal Bay, as the name seems to fit in better than a treasure reef.

Should I elaborate?

[late wasp]

Crystal Bay can still be the original name
Treasure Reef is how the Abyss Crew christened the place when they found the ruins.

(seen by how the Bay slightly sunk underwater becoming more of a reef now)

[keen shore]

They seem to be acquainted with the above water area, but considering they have to use us get the darkstone below water, and there’s a lot of other darkstone down there they would have immediately grabbed, I don’t think they know about the ruins below the water level. They’ve got to have some suspicion that people lived there before given the murals and old structures, but who knows if they have any idea as to its true nature

Sky kid just trying to do their job when they see one of the abyss spirits eat the crystals like candy

[half shadow]

yeah!

though technically as somebody who knows entirely too much about these kinds of things: a reef doesn’t always have to include coral, it can be comprised of rocks or sand as well. basically if it’s big enough and just below the waters surface, it’s a reef

reefs usually have their own ecosystem as well which treasure reef certainly does

[harsh plover]

hi brothers what are you talking about?

[nimble ingot]

How rocks can qualify as a reef.
And how during the development of the season, there used to be coral in the area, but now all of it was replaced by dark clams and underwater-light blooms.

[tidal valve]

Maybe like flight coral will appear after final quest? Maybe we end up helping to restore the area?

[keen shore]

There was probably coral in the area before it got developed

[tidal valve]

Well in the interview they said they’d keep exploring the diving mechanic, so I’m hopefully that there will be more seasons underwater with potentially coral!

anybody else already discussed the livestream they did with the first quest for abyss? I like that they talked about how the inspirations for the hair and theme of the season was taken from Nordic culture? If I can remember properly

Not me watching 1? 2? Hours for a tiny morsel of not really lore but kinda but also not really

[late wasp]

I mentioned a few bits a few days ago. I like how Rudi confirms that the giant monster in the mural is not a Krill. but something else

[tidal valve]

Reminds me when they were talking about new light/ dark creatures they wanted to introduce but couldn’t yet!

mr big scary boy might’ve been waiting a while to finally give us (terrified) welcome hello!

I think at some point with the power diamonds we collect they’ll eventually use some of that technology to open that door, those 2 empty pedestal things just look like we are going to open them at some point

[late wasp]

I also loved how they somewhat hint that GW culture was very sea-related, like a seafaring people. it's also funny because it's the second Ship-related season in GW.

[tidal valve]

Not to mention there is a arc in gw in general non seasonal related, makes me wonder if golden wasteland was actually a giant ocean, might explain the dark water, and perhaps that krill have ocean origins?

Perhaps the water drained away after time?

Why do I kinda wanna study all of the different boats we see in sky now? lol

[late wasp]

I remember someone commenting how GW is like Mount Saint Michel in France's Normandy.
A citadel in a beach / dune by the sea.

The name (Golden Wasteland) however, also confirms it was always a yellow desert dune. In the present it's no longer golden due to the storm covering the sun.

[tidal valve]

that’s true! As much as I’d like to theorize about the name and how it could fit into the past of golden wasteland I also can’t help but think that perhaps maybe, Golden wasteland could’ve been renamed by spirits after its collapse?

Maybe spirits refered it by another name but after the disaster it could’ve been renamed?

Might be looking into this too much

[nimble ingot]

ooh that is an interesting analysis.
It would be amazing if it were true that the golden wasteland used to be sunny, before the storm appeared.
Which would make the name more fitting.

Maybe that was what the Golden Wasteland like before the storm/war.
It could have been a desert city that used to bask in the sun. Giving a fantastic view of the Eden mountain across the Vault.

[tidal valve]

I also like to think that maybe it was a vast grassland? grass looks yellow sometimes Haah

[late wasp]

yeah i've juggled with that idea a bit, because it would make sense for it to gain the "wasteland" name after becoming... a wasteland. but the golden (which is not present at the present) kinda indicates it had this name before the fall.

it is the two names together that makes me not see any other way but it being the old name of the place, before the storm.

geography nerd moment, but it is fantastic how TGC made the biomes right.
usually Mountains will separate a lush rainy forest from a desert. (because all the moisture end up on one side, while the other side of the mountain is dry)

Forest - Valley - Desert fits that too

[nimble ingot]

Something like a savannah or bsuhfield?
I was wondering if TGC ever considered adding a location/realm that had tall golden grass, Acacia trees and rocky outcrops.

[tidal valve]

Since valley and gw are said to be connected to each other, (the higher and lower end of the city) i def think the golden part was there previously if it was renamed

[keen shore]

resists urge to repost art

[late wasp]

found a better image.
my headcanon is that they all used to live in the valley, and later moved to the GW and built the Vault after whatever conflict started.

[uncut pond]

Perhaps it was called golden it was because the city or constructions and stuff in there were made of gold or were golden?

[late wasp]

but then the game would show more of that, like it does for the valley. and it doesn't 😦

[uncut pond]

I know it's a dumb theory and probably wrong but it's fun to imagine the now black wasteland as having been made of gold once

[late wasp]

it also gives some more weight to the Forgotten Ark, of which the cargo can turn a desert into a livable prairie.

[uncut pond]

Also perhaps it was "golden" not in a literal sense but in a figurative sense, maybe it was golden as in it was very prosperous and prestigious

Again I know this all is probably wrong but it's fun to come up with this stuff

[late wasp]

I could get behind that. sounds like a good explanation for another reading

[keen shore]

I was thinking about the dry side of the mountain too, although to be fair, it could just be a really dry golden looking grassland. Keep in mind the ocean is right there so it’s probably not desert level dry

[late wasp]

yeah, i was thinking a desert like the... forgot the name... the country south of Morocco?

[distant turtle]

Tunisia?

[late wasp]

Mauritania!

[uncut pond]

So basically y'all say that GW could've been a dessert next to the ocean and that's why there's a shipwreck there?

[late wasp]

but to be fair, I think grasslands could have been called wastes too

[keen shore]

So I did some searching and I found out about coastal deserts, which are often foggy due to close proximity to water (this explains a lot)… I’m trying to find more information but the first Google result was a 4.2 star review and I’m currently scratching my head over why people are writing up reviews for biomes

Like so

[half shadow]

I AM ALL FOR THIS DEEP SKY GEOGRAPHY LORE

[keen shore]

Now I almost want to find out what biomes each realm is and what animals would have lived there (to be fair it might help in figuring out what the giant skeletons in wasteland are)

If we can find enough evidence maybe we can even determine what Eden used to look like (well, beyond being just a mountain)

[late wasp]

this would be very fun if you do, salem!

[uncut pond]

Afaik aren't light creatures like... Literally made out of light? Don't the just spontaneously materialize when enough light exists in one point or something like that?

I've always wondered what light creatures are

[half shadow]

I will also throw in here: rocky reefs are much more common in subtropical through temperate and boreal climates while coral reefs are located in the tropical-subtropic zone due to relying on warmer water.

I can’t conceptualize maps in my head but take this information for anybody who knows how it translates to the Sky geography

[half shadow]

Yeah, they’re pretty much created out of Light, but it’s still fun to speculate about their biology! I headcanon that the larger light creatures are more close to being organic, like mantas, and the smaller ones like butterflies and birds are closer to being just pure light

[upbeat wind]

I have a feeling that the valley twins were raised by hidden forest elder but they never met her ever in their life

[keen shore]

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that animals that existed prestorm and were wiped out by the disaster, (yknow the ones we know existed some point because of animal masks) were probably not light creatures and much more like the ones we have. I think the reason only light creatures survived was because they didn’t need to eat the animals that had already been wiped out to survive and just relied on light for sustenance instead, so they were essentially part of an entirely separate food chain

[half shadow]

You got me thinking now. The giant skeleton in Forest is seemingly from pre-Storm was almost certainly an organic lifeform due to leaving behind an actual body, whereas the present mantas we see today in Sky just sort of disapparate, like the one that gets boinked by the krill in Wasteland

[keen shore]

Considering we think that the lights granted some kind of power to the region they’re from, maybe golden wasteland was altered to be easier to live in (like turned into a grassland where you could grow things) but post disaster that power faded and it reverted to its original coastal desert state

It would be interesting to see how the preexisting animal populations were affected by such a drastic change in biome in both times

[half shadow]

i’m almost positive this is a “it’s not that deep” thing but speculating about the biology of fantasy creatures is always super duper fun

[keen shore]

Light creatures having skeletons is a… weird topic? because there’s a manta skeleton in vault which implies at the very least some kind of skeleton for mantas existed to base it off of, and there’s old concept art (again not sure how reliable this is) stating that skeletons are evidence a light creature died there violently. plus the bones seem to be still conscious as they give us the calls which is… worrying

But whenever the manta gets bonked it just… disappears. Maybe the krill absorbs all the light instantaneously or something??

Imagine if there’s just a bunch of skeletons hidden under the snow in valley… I mean, gotta feed the population somehow

[half shadow]

True true! Thought I’d point out that the “realness” of Vault is a hotly debated topic (I personally stand on it being a combined meditation/dream sequence also taking place in real life. long story) but the krills absorbing the Light also makes sense. I’m currently running with the idea that the larger the light creature, the more complex it’s structure is

[late wasp]

my personal interpretation of the map

[keen shore]

That’s why I added there has to be an irl equivalent to base it off of. If there wasn’t, why would anyone imagine an accurate manta skeleton at all?

[half shadow]

oh yeah! sorry I misread lol. I think that the idea of the concept art’s “remains meaning a light creature died violently” is a neat one too. the explanation could just be a magic-y one where if a creature passes peacefully the whole of it returns to the Light, but if it’s violent then they wither and leave behind the sort of calcified skeleton like we see in Forest. that one in particular also had a lot of darkness plants around it, so maybe the remains act as kind of conduits for darkness?

[keen shore]

My theory on darkness plants comes from a realization that the black spheres left behind where the spirit used to be when we relight them to relive their memory are the seeds? beginning stages? of a plant and essentially fester where the heart/center of light used to be, absorbing it all to sustain themselves. They’re only suspended in the air because they’re trapped inside a spirit.

What this means is that all the darkness plants are spots where people or light creatures died. the several darkness plants around the season of belonging tree make the lore a lot sadder if true

[late wasp]

to make it an even more potent tear jerk:

darkness plants cling to light creatures because it is the soul of the dead trying to find some semblance of warmth and companionship. they are so cold, and it's so dark...

(wasn't sure "jerk" was a banned word, so I tried to be safe, TEST)

[keen shore]

Also darkness sprouting around light creatures means it can trap them, so eventually when they starve to death they get absorbed into the plant as well! fun

…this might be why darkness plants give wax when burnt, because they’re made from light in the first place and have it trapped inside them

[late wasp]

AH YOU KNOW WHAT, I think one of the concept arts agree with you, Salem.

found it

[keen shore]

Darkness plants glow blue… just like the spirits do before we relive them

[uncut pond]

The lore gets more depressing the further you delve into it

[sharp lichen]

I have some evidence that the Prophecy QG could be the chosen one:

[keen shore]

Sorry to momentarily distract but I can’t believe I just realized the 6 stars on the bottom of the circle halo correspond to each realm… wonder what the 10 stars on top are for

[late wasp]

reminds me of all the constellation floors around the kingdom that don't represent any of the 6 elders.
a quick example, the constellation before the Starlit area of the LP

[sharp lichen]

~~The season of prophecy started in October, the 10th month of the year…— (but seriously, 10 has very little meaning in Sky, so it could just be placed there.”

[harsh plover]

they correspond to each realm?

whut? i didnt know that too

[rustic heron]

Does anyone still have the King concept art collage handy?

[rigid mural]

oh i love this map !

[frigid tinsel]

Source: Kamillico

[rustic heron]

So, if you look at the above collage, just below the upper-left corner, you can see the mural you posted, surrounded by similar shapes representative of the King.

To justify the Prophecy QG being the child of light, there would also have to be some justification for their relation to the King. That, or the Prophecy QG is not the child of light, and the symbolism you pointed out is an indication of worship of the King. It's entirely likely that the cave of prophecy is one of, if not the, most sacred place for King worship in the world.

[hushed steeple]

Baudshaw is in lovey dovey with the prophets. Prophets rule the world and mean everything

I myself am in love with water prophet, the very essence of chill turtles

[rustic heron]

It is curious how they refer to animals that are not present in-game.

The Anubis reference for Prophecy QG, and the halo behind them, is of particular note.

[frigid tinsel]

Possibly they used to exist but went extinct

[hushed steeple]

Could be like sky equivalents to mythical creatures.

I think the idea of dogs being a mythical creature is hilarious.

But I do think water prophets mask reps the same critter as the turtle scull in GW and Starlight soooo.....

[rigid mural]

here's my loose take on a map

[late wasp]

first off, this is so cute!!!!
second, B?

[rigid mural]

beta ! the dock with the boat that takes you to the treasure reef used to be in the shipwreck/crab fields area ! it got moved before the season made it to live...

[late wasp]

oh wow! the more you know!
overall, I think your map is the most accurate!

I specially like how you included the Little Prince area too

[rigid mural]

I should probably add a wind path to the forest social space; it would make more sense for commercial ships to pass by there after getting loaded in the prairie temple

[frigid tinsel]

Today in lorechat: mapmaking, studying the stars

[late wasp]

look what I found among the Japanese community @keen shore

[rustic heron]

Brutal.

[frigid tinsel]

Do you have a link to the source? I’m curious about the og text (and the artist cos oh my wow)

[late wasp]

It is! But it's reassuring when we find that people across the globe ended up with the same conclusion as our Salem!

I don't speak Japanese, but they also created other very interesting graphs.
@frigid tinsel https://twitter.com/chk___chk/status/1299962913935863808

[frigid tinsel]

thank you!
it looks like op was studying Zhao's concepts as well

[late wasp]

wish we could have them here. look at this quality.

hahahaha they are probably here!!!!

[pastel brook]

Psh, I'm WAY cooler than those mods!

[rustic heron]

Out of curiosity, is there any lore explanation for Spirits returning during events? We can interact with them, so they're tangible, but they're supposed to be sad and dead.

[uncut pond]

The events have so much good vibes that the spirits are able to materialize and vibe with the children

[nimble ingot]

I have a theory that spirits are aware of them being dead. And furthermore willing to stick around to help skykids either in general (gravestones, elder temples, reliving memories, orbit), or in events or reliving some season quests.

[uncut pond]

Or probably it's just the devs breaking the fourth wall for the sake of gameplay/just for the sake of it

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine Megabird can send down spirits that have ascended, but on a time limit so they always come back

[late wasp]

I don't remember where I read this, if it was in game, or my first day in here, but it seems after spirits ascend they can come and go to the living world.

[uncut pond]

That's actually a good theory

[frigid tinsel]

There was a bit during one of the first dev livestreams that canonized that skykids can call down spirits from their gravestones

[rustic heron]

Yeah, I heard that too, and that makes a lot of sense. However, they seem pretty chipper for someone being annihilated by some self-important dude with a way-to-pointy crown.

I mean, that's a great attitude to have, but still.

[frigid tinsel]

Can’t traumadump on children tbf

[half shadow]

I think it’s mainly just because… well the game wouldn’t be very fun if we don’t get to hang out with the spirits afterwards lol

[late wasp]

some of your king theories have taken root in my mind.
which might explain why they are not out for revenge

[rustic heron]

Megabird provides healthcare support for phsychological trauma, and a network of excellent spirit therapists.

[late wasp]

some ancestor boomer: "but that's communism"

[rustic heron]

ANCESTOR BOOMERS ARE NOW CANON.

[nova geyser]

I always thought that they’d have a link to the place where they had a strong emotional event in their lives (be it their death or not), so they can show up there, and then the Sky kids create a link by sending them back up into the sky, which is why you can summon them at home. So it could be that they had a strong emotional event happen during our events (so…. Probably the event itself XD) which is why they can show up there?

[rigid mural]

what if abyss guide wears the first ult to mimic cannoneer

[frigid tinsel]

@rustic heron

[cobalt palm]

I just came to a thought, do we definitely know that the spirits we see are actually dead?
I mean it's an assumption as they are transparent, glowy and are called spirits, but is there anything ingame which told us that they were ever in a state which was not like that?

Going on from that, if not, the reason why each elder wants the flame is that they are no longer able to ascend their spirits into the light, and so the spirits become "darkened" entombed by the dark statue surrounding them, but are not actually "dead"

[nova geyser]

The first elder says they’re all dead in the intro I think 8|

[late wasp]

i love how everyone unanimously across all different genders, ages and cultures agree that cannoneer is the best new spirit

[cobalt palm]

It says the spirits fell, and made homes in the clouds

With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer not sure how to take a compliment. Oh how will they handle their fan base

Blessed by Vela art yet again

[half shadow]

this has me dead

[nova geyser]

Would they not just do lvl 4 of their emote tho XD

[hushed steeple]

Odd way to spell angler

[cobalt palm]

So they fell before creating the realms we see.
I feel like I have totally assumed they are dead all this time

[late wasp]

I would love if TGC could hire someone to do a spinoff series about the Abyss Crew

[cobalt palm]

Someone forgot to unlock chat before typing

[late wasp]

i'm happy that angler bae will give me new drip to look less like a moth.
only 5 more days to go until i can get their clothing

and then... it will be cannoneer cloak

[nova geyser]

I stand corrected! Also this makes it sound like the elder was not part of the falling stars?

[frigid tinsel]

Thing is, the intro is hella confusing. It changed multiple times, we don’t know who’s speaking, it says the spirits united were many but spirits are also dead (Ash confirmed they’re ghosts).

[harsh pecan]

Nice

[half shadow]

wait huh

[cobalt palm]

The "..." in the speech bubble, was a dumb joke, as I know it means speechless in context, but was fun to mix sky mechanics in there

[keen shore]

I expected this to be one of my dark headcanons like the manta conglomerate krill, not what actually happened, and now I’m kind of shocked

[cobalt palm]

Indeed it does, it broke my mind to rethink the story this way

[cobalt palm]

Do you have source for this, would love to share it

[late wasp]

here!

[sharp lichen]

If the mural in the Cave of Prophecies was made before the existence of the King, then the symbol isn’t the King’s but the Prophecy’s. Considering how both the King and the Prophecy QG have associations with this symbol, it leads me to believe that they were rivals, or they at least knew each other.

[half shadow]

OH haha I thought you were talking about me, sorry!

[nova geyser]

Maybe it’s Mega Bird talking to us w

[keen shore]

New horrible headcanon. We know that spirits probably bury their dead when they can, and the forgotten ark tunnels are filled with darkness plants. Someone put the dead bodies there and maybe tried to close it up (although the barrier fell apart) because it was the closest thing they could find to a grave

[nova geyser]

I thought the prophets drew the prophecy…?

[sharp lichen]

They are the most fascinating group of spirits, so combine that with my love of Prophecy and you got the glory that is fire Prophet’s hot body four figures with infinite potential for theories.

[boreal nebula]

Imho the boata there are not the one in the "map", there are some at the end of the rails, near the 4 rocks we seen (ever since trailer) near the building wher we took the first power crystal for 1st quest

[cobalt palm]

The symbol of prophecy is also the same symbol which guides us to Eden in each realm when we chirp

[keen shore]

Now that I think about it you can actually see darkness sprouting out of one of the spirits who died in the tearful light miner’s memory, you have to burn it away to get to the end. Maybe it’s like necrosis where if a wound gets infected or someone is really sick it can start growing inside someone’s body while they’re still alive and slowly kill them

[late wasp]

it is the canonical symbol for Light, according to UI

[boreal nebula]

Mmm why two Abyss circles?

[cobalt palm]

The yawning spirit in prairie also has dark plants in his memories, so could be an unconscious thing

[keen shore]

It also looks like the kings mask fun fact (forgot the symbol for light and fully thought that was what it was at first)

[keen shore]

…what if that’s why they’re so tired

[rigid mural]

beta

[cobalt palm]

OMG I've seen that hint so many times, now I'm trying to recall it I can't, something like "tap yourself and the light will show you the way"?

[nova geyser]

Oh I thought they got stuck in it like a Venus flytrap and it just started… eating… them……

[cobalt palm]

Forget what I was saying I love this interpretation!

[keen shore]

This can also work, although since it seems to be sprouting out of them instead of around them, I would personally lean towards my idea.

…If they got eaten by it that means that was one of their already dead friends eating them which is worse

[nova geyser]

NOOOOOOO

[late wasp]

yeah! I've also gathered some of the other symbols according to both Cave of Prophecies, the original Season of Enchantment and the updated Season of Enchantment. ||<#lore-discussion-spoilers message>||

purple is MIND
red is VOID

(from gamefile names)

[keen shore]

Finally someone else who appreciates the glory of fire prophet (and the season in general)

[cobalt palm]

I theorized they were connected at the start of prophecy

[boreal nebula]

Thats an interesting suspect

But I think we have two timelines of cutcenes to analyze

The one of the 4 quests, which I think are about how the trials and the cave was built
And the other displayed after we finish Fire Trial and can see how the Prince reaches Cave, finished the Trials and blessed the prosperity of the Kingdom

IF I recall correctly Anubis mask was in the last quest cutscenes with the 4 Prophets building the central totem, so this could be a prove against yours idea (IF my analysis is correct, tho)

[nova geyser]

OH WAIT it could be that they disturbed some Darkness Spores (idk okay XD) and if the spores touch a creature of light they’ll start growing exponentially by absorbing the light source

[keen shore]

Wait do you think green light is earth as in rocks, earth as in plants, or both? (Different fantasy settings use the same word for different things, and it’s green, so worth asking)

Evidence for it being plants:

• gifts to the earth from the sky kind of reminds me of how plants need sunlight and rain — yknow, gifts from the sky — to grow
• green!
• daylight prairie where we find it is one of only two regions with surviving vegetation
• I’m pretty sure this is the light that turns the area around the forgotten ark water green but I could be wrong
• probably more important to ancient civilization than the ground

Evidence for it being ground:

• could be same light as in trial of earth, which makes rocks float
• could be reasoning behind prairies still floating islands

[cobalt palm]

Moss tech!

[keen shore]

Also keep in mind we still don’t know if prophecy and enchantment lights are the same ones. Personally I believe there are but all we know so far is that they’re somehow related (am going to ask for a yes or no answer next q&a if I’m there but until then who knows)

[boreal nebula]

I agree with your points, it's just that IMHO we are in GW despite an area barely outside it

And the costant spawning of clams/oysters could be the reason we can swim in clean waters!
IRL clams can play an important factor in filtering unclean waters

[late wasp]

yeah, it's heavily implied that GREEN = life/plants. as in the gift of the sky is the rain that lets plants grow.
but this is called EARTH

[keen shore]

I mean… it is definitely called earth in the picture, can’t argue with that, but I’m not really sure how that proves anything? (Not to mention, the original cutscene never calls it Earth, just that’s it’s a gift to the Earth)

[rustic heron]

So, this has likely been done to death (haha), but I was thinking about the intro again. When the intro says "the stars fell", I think it is referring specifically to the Elders. The central figure was the Eden Elder, who became the king later on.

When the stars were united, our light was infinite: The unified concepts of all the Elders (Direction, Compassion, Creation, Courage, and Wisdom) were unified by the light, and anything was possible. Spirits could unite and work together.

But Darkness came, and the stars fell: The Elders began to argue. Perhaps the central Elder and the 6 fought on whether they should directly affect the lives of the Ancestors, with the Eden Elder in favor of it. The stars fell due to the discord, with the 6 Elders not directly interacting, and the Eden Elder ascending into physical form to lead the people. The Elders created their temples to allow the Ancestors to interact with them via their statues, and the Eden Elder made their castle to lead the Ancestors.

This is the reason why the Eden Elder has no statue; they physically descended to the realm, and interacted directly with the Ancestors.

Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds: The Elders were forced to descend due to their disharmony, The 6 Elders interacted with the Ancestors indirectly, communing to them via meditation, spiritually. The Eden Elder, the King, was reborn into a Child of Light voluntarily, to lead the people and interact with them directly.

[keen shore]

I didn’t realize that, can you provide a screenshot for evidence??

[boreal nebula]

In a recen interpretation I think rather than mind Purple is Imagination
And Red, yeah, it could be Void, as a mean of something when a story is lost, so when its darkness is unravelled a story/tragedy can be told (like Nodding Muralist can and Maybe also Daleth Isle Elder can)

[rustic heron]

If only they had listened: This is complicated, and is dependent on the presence of song being a core part of the Megabird, as well as light. The Eden Storm was an attempt by the King to make his own light, via darkstone, by creating lightning. This lightning storm spread toxic rain to some parts, and it's lightning and thunder drown out the song of the Megabird. This is the final rift between the Elders and the Megabird, representing the complete disconnect between the two and, consequently, the link between Ancestors and the Megabrid, which the 7 Stars represented.

[boreal nebula]

@rustic heron and old theory of mine was inspired by the old intro

[keen shore]

I’m still thinking over my analysis for the intro, since all of them across the span of time have been proven to be canon simultaneously, so I have to deal with that lol

[rustic heron]

A long time has passed. Now, I call to you: The Eden Elder is gone, and the other Elders are stranded, disconnected. We must now take on a new mantle, to unite the Stars, unite the Elders, being their new leader. Collectively, the sky kids unit the elders by completing their constellations, which are composed of spirits that best represent what that Elder embodied. Reliving their memories, we come to know all the concepts, all the Elders, deeply. and we can restore their light through understanding them.

This is why they show up in Orbit. That was originally where they guided the Ancestors. We return to Orbit because we are originally from there.

[late wasp]

more importantly, i love how the Vault Scholars did not have prejudice for Darkness/Void.

because they made the Red Crystal/Light and were bringing it with them!!

[boreal nebula]

Here it is how I would interpret the old intro... IF only was mine! (Dinnkleberrgg!) still valid

[rustic heron]

Our journey is one of becoming the new Eden Elder. We are incomplete, a child without the knowledge of the world. The Elders represent that knowledge, and coming to know them is us ascending to unite them, thereby uniting the spirits. This unification embodies the Megabird, whose song we hear in parts in the intro.

The song of the Megabird is the song of existence. When we can no longer hear it, when we only hear parts of the whole, we are disconnected. When all the parts are united, when we embody light and listen once again, we unite the stars.

[keen shore]

I’m still turning over the ideas of what darkness could have been used for in my head. The other ones are obvious, but void is a bit weird… unless it’s directly referring to darkstone absorbing light, which would make sense considering you find it in wasteland, which is filled with war technology reliant on it

[boreal nebula]

Give me a sec I need to find my new purple red interpretation

Part 1 and Part 2

[keen shore]

I am also interested in the implication that if prophecy and enchantment lights are the same, void and mind are either not important enough or not pure enough to have prophets and trials for them. It is ALSO interesting that the two ones without trials are from the last two ones in the kingdom, maybe the tradition of trials either ended due to societal change or no one was able to complete them?? (If we’re assuming one elder went through each trial like some people do)

[slate saffron]

Yeah! I hadn't thought about that before, but that makes a ton of sense.

But that also makes me wonder why there aren't any clams in the main Golden Wasteland, as with all the pollution around you'd think more would be present. Maybe the dark crabs are responsible for their absence, as with their powerful charges and hard shells of their own they could easily crack open the clams to knaw on their insides

[late wasp]

Void could mean Death too. It says it is in places full of Darkness, but they are also places full of Death.

And tebkanlo, another Purple one is how the crystals at the entrance of Village of Dreams are purpleish.

[late wasp]

I think the Ancestors' true power is Purple, I'm like a broken record, but I can't get over how cool it is.
Using only their Minds/Memory/Imagination they are able to...

control things with their mind, fly, and create light.
It's what they could have been, if they didn't rely too heavily on Darkstone.

[rustic heron]

Purple is a combination of red and blue. Something to think about.

There is one missing light from your list: yellow.

[boreal nebula]

Part 3.0 and Part 3.1

[rustic heron]

The yellow light is present in all realms.

Yellow and Blue make Green. Yellow and Red make Orange.

[late wasp]

the genius here is that iirc Isle murals are yellowish like the ones in the Ark after using the 🔴 power

[boreal nebula]

I think it's fascinating how, from simple talking with a new lore moth about why there are Social Areas and cosmetic chiosks just in Prairie, Forest, Valley, Wasteland (and Eden) lead to count the 4 Realms/Elements out...

..and left me with the 2 remaining Lights and Realms

And it was even a morning revelation 🤣 🥴

EDIT: added bold + italics text to get a myself clearer

I do really hope I got that interpretations right..!

I subscribe for a season about Red and Purple origins, please TGC

[keen shore]

I’m not really sure color theory is important here, aside from symbolism. Each color chosen for the lights is a color commonly associated with that element or concept, and the color mixing idea starts to get weird thinking that mind is somehow a mix of… darkness and water?

[rustic heron]

Water is associated with clarity. Darkness is associated with Quiet. Mindfulness is Quiet Clarity.

[weak osprey]

Uh

[keen shore]

I… don’t know. It still seems like a bit of a stretch. The simplest explanation makes the most sense and all that

[weak osprey]

Hello?

[boreal nebula]

Ok... This Mindfulness is really getting me buying it.. jumping on board...

But how do you explain others (colors) then?

[rigid mural]

hey guys why does the switch trailer kid have a chest hole with light in it ?

[late wasp]

I agree with Salem, but for the sake of our Vault. I will offer a better defense. lol!

Season of Abyss is about the Abyss region of the ocean. A pitch-black region where no sunlight ever touches. So we can see a connection between Blue(Water) and Red(Void/Darkness).

Maybe Mind powers was uncovered by "diving" deep into oneself's dark ocean abyss.

[keen shore]

Why is fire a mix of void and light? Void isn’t really involved in fire, it’s closest to a duplicate of light. I guess you could say the red light also represents death but aside from it being in golden wasteland, which probably didn’t look nearly as graveyardy pre storm, there’s no real evidence for that.

[rigid mural]

hehe light on chest

[safe linden]

Is there any confirmed lore? Or is it all speculation lore?

[late wasp]

According to Shop Lore (thatskyshop) Light was birthed from Darkness.
It is not a Yin Yang, but Darkness is the Mother of the Light.

[keen shore]

Water plus light making plants is the only one that makes sense here… unless, of course, the earth light doesn’t mean plants — like I thought it might have above — and means ground instead, in which case it makes no sense at all

[safe linden]

I remember writing smth about the significance of masks and which realm spirit has masks but I lost the list.

[late wasp]

Although Light is White... not Yellow lol

[keen shore]

Does the adult have a chest diamond as well or am I just missing theirs??

[weak osprey]

Technically, light cannot exist without darkness but darkness can stand alone without light. I think it's more of a coexistence

[boreal nebula]

It maybe was a Skykid, like the one in Stargazer's memories

[late wasp]

I like to imagine Vault Elder did it themself 💅

[keen shore]

That’s another one of my issues with this theory. I guess you could say it has a yellow hue because the sun does as well as most of the glowing mural paint, but still kind of seems like a stretch

[rigid mural]

it's on the back too !

[late wasp]

Cave of Prophecy not showing the origin of the Purple is also part of the reason I also thought Vault Elder could be the King @rustic heron

[keen shore]

psst @rigid mural

[rigid mural]

they arent as active or even looked at as the kid, but if they have one, their clothes cover it

[keen shore]

Knowing that our chest diamonds definitely shine through our clothes, we now have to consider the very real possibility that the kid shown here is the king

[boreal nebula]

Did he was secretly was TLP which could fly without a cape/scarf?! /J

[late wasp]

Also, @boreal nebula . Ancestors seem to decorate all their stuff with crystals.
So the Isle of Dawn ship having crystals does not necessarily confirm darkstone tech as I said before.

also solves the flying. Isle Elder is shown using Telekinesis too!

[rigid mural]

or just a skykid, imo with the spirits being refered to as "ancestors" and skykids inheriting the cosmetics and world of the ancestors, there's a chance we play something akin to descendants to the previous civilisation (concept art even refers to who we play as descendants) so...

[safe linden]

One thing I've noticed is that some people might not realize that the valley elders, are the actual elders. Like I'll see videos and in the commments people are saying that they wished the valley had an elder.

[late wasp]

◈ Isle Elder: I guide the spirits to the holy land, so they might ascend.
◈ Prairie Elder: I collect the butterflies into Jars, allowing for the existence of our entire civilization, since our jars are shipped into the Forest.
◈ Forest Elder: I am the creator of crystals, mining them, fashioning them into uniform batteries, powered by the butterflies in jars.
◈ Wasteland Elder: I'm the General of our civilization, the Aegis of our people, me and my soldiers guarantees the safety of everyone.
◈ Vault Elder: I'm the Guardian of all the Wisdom of this world, the leader of all religious orders, the effective ruler of this civilization. My library contains even holograms of all lifeforms on this planet.

◈ Valley Elders: we play baseball

my take on Valley Elders @safe linden

[safe linden]

I love that

[boreal nebula]

Yes, maybe the Elders, being demigods, had levitation as a basic set of skills

But obtaining or arnessing or being able for Ancestors to learn it with years or instructions as scholars cool be the reason why they needed the purer Purple Light

@late wasp

[safe linden]

I think that the valley elders are like the sort of entertainment portion, they hold these big events to bring people in from all over to connect and have people enjoy themselves. The valley is my favourite place just because it adds so much to world building!

[weak osprey]

I think the Valley Elders might be the ones in charge of entertainment and media.

[boreal nebula]

🤦‍♀️ 🤦

[late wasp]

there was some stuff that made me think they are cool
Valley also has a strong Warrior theme. Sometimes even more so than GW.

I think the twins are called Heroes too.
and in some earlier concepts, the GW Elder Spear was a Bat like the ones used by the Valley Elders.

Implying, they are both athletic stars AND warrior heroes (riding mantas)

[keen shore]

If I’m interpreting this correctly, it conflicts with the mostly accepted idea that skykids and ancestors are two completely types of being (sort of like species but not), and if we accept this idea then we also have to accept ancestors work exactly like us, which doesn’t seem correct, even if we say us being able to fly via light capes and not being able to die is just a modification unique to our generation, especially considering it’s been confirmed we aren’t going to grow up into ancestors or elders or anything along those lines.

Also I could be wrong but I am 50% sure that this idea in general is confirmed to be untrue

[safe linden]

I think the sky kids are essentially the "angels" of this world, like smth happened to trap souls and we have to go along reliving memories to free the spirits. But also the fact that all the spirits are spirits, implies the people have died. Which means when we play with the spirit children, we arent actually playing with them. We're just reliving the experience and sort of roleplaying the adventure.

Thats sorta sad

[weak osprey]

I'd like to think that us, skykids, are more like vessels more than anything

[safe linden]

For what?

[weak osprey]

For light

[keen shore]

Honestly it doesn’t even matter what exactly skykids are to this discussion, just if they’re separate from ancestors or not

[safe linden]

I think they are, bc when the sky kids "die" they turn to statues. The spirits trapped are in like an ashy form. I just like to talk about the sky kids in general

[keen shore]

They could be a bunch of rats bouncing around inside a vaguely person shaped outside and it wouldn’t make much difference from them being vessels of light because either way they are almost definitely not the same as ancestors

[safe linden]

I know consider sky kids as only that first description now, thank you

[rich prawn]

Valley elders remind me the Greeks, Olympics, body achievement and podium. Its interesting that they r immediately before the GW, Valley seem to be a complex society with venues and expansive infrastructure (buildings and connecting pathways) while GW's infrastructure is so concentrated.

[rigid mural]

Tbh we dont even know what's the canon on how we work; from what we see ancestors know how to trade light with us, for example, but otherwise all we know is basic stuff like ancestors feel pain (handstand thrillseeker looks like they hurt themselves with that victory trick, fainting warrior, eccetera) and skykids also do to an extent (the stance lock in eden, staying on their back until we move when they trip).

We know from devs (I forgot if it was on an interview or here) that sky kids and elders are different, the formers wont grow into the latters, but nothing was said between ancestors and sky kids.

[weak osprey]

But when we die, we stay grey. Until we hug the light child and return to normal. My theory is that we as a vessel are like two beings in one body. The vessel and the first light it carries

[boreal nebula]

I like how the Valley Stadium is a perfect mix of Roman and Greek culture

It is circular for entrainments (but not in a violent gladiator way)
Its steps/sits are almost semicirculars, because there warriors are there just to show off their prowess as athletes (like during the Old Olimpic Games, symbol of Peace)

So is the best kind of Panem Et Circenses

[safe linden]

Why do y'all think the golden wasteland is like that? Like did smth happen or is it just like that

[late wasp]

originally (but likely still canonically), the GW citadel was built much later, as a home for all elders and ancestors.

the Vault is located inside the GW citadel, like the city's university. In there you can see the seat of all Elders.

[safe linden]

I found my mask list!!!!! It was an older message but I found my list listing which spirits have masks and which do

The masks ABSOLUTELY mean smth, I just dont know what

[boreal nebula]

I like to think we relive their most important/significant moments

Not that those are the last moment they are Alive (pretty much like the Dreams spirits being alive weeks after, during Skater training and exhibition)

So it might be that those cbildren (like Assembly) didn't die at young age

[cosmic willow]

i’m guessing it could’ve been environmental pollution since there’s a lot of sludge and diamond factories
also hello fellow plant

[safe linden]

Mask

Rejecting voyager
Sumbering shipwright
Exhausted dock worker
Waving bellmaker
Hide'n'seek pioneer
Apologetic lumberjack
Bowing medalist
Backflipping champion
Fainting warrior
Lookout scout
Levitating adept

No mask

Pointing candle maker
Ushering stargazer
Ceremonial worshipper
Applauding bellmaker
Bird whisperer
Laughing light catcher
Butterfly charmer
Blushing prospecter (no eyes)
Dismayed hunter
Tearful light miner
Shivering trailblazer
Whale whisperer
Pouty porter
Confident sight seerer
Manta whisperer
Cheerful spectator
Handstanding thrillseeker
Proud victor
Courageous soldier
Frightened refugee
Stealthy survivor (no eyes)
Saluting captain (no eyes)
Meditating monastic
Memory whisperer
Polite scholar
Praying acolyte

[weak osprey]

I think that skykids are vessels for light, that's also why our capes have levels while the spirits don't. We're essentially carrying so much light that is represented through the cape.

It could also explain why the darkness takes a longer time to effect us. We, ourselves are like vaults that contain light.

[neat flint]

Plant meets plant

[keen shore]

There’s still a few sticking points for me. We know ancestors die permanently and don’t just get punted back onto earth when they die, because otherwise none of the game’s plot would work. This is noticeably not the case for us.

They probably eat, (implied by spirit memories although not directly stated) which we clearly don’t.
I said that the entire concept of winged light and capes and flight could just be for our generation, considering it’s pretty obvious spirits can’t fly like we can (glances at entire season of flight) but why would it be? Everyone lives in the clouds. Flying would be extremely useful.

Ancestors can die in a lot of ways that don’t hurt us at all. We only really die when all our light is sucked out, and considering nothing similar to that happens to the fainting warrior or other spirits, we can assume they probably died from something else. They seem to need light on some basic level to function but the lack of it is not the only thing that can kill them.

(Trying to think of other reasons, I keep feeling like I’m forgetting something)

[safe linden]

Oh thank god thats less sad, but also it seems like having a mask is alot less common than not having one

[slate saffron]

It could be a sorta practical meets fashionable kind of thing! Like a "well if we're gonna use these massive blue diamonds for power we might as well use them to make things look nice ™️ ©️"

[keen shore]

Oh yeah! Spirits don’t seem to be capable of ripping candles and/or winged light out of themselves… like… at all honestly lol

[cosmic willow]

that’s true
its said that animal masks reflect the role of the spirit wearing it in the kingdom,and the basegame masks seem to be inspired by their elder’s mask
perhaps that means they’re more important and therefore a minority?

[weak osprey]

I think the masks are more of a cultural thing. Some may represent groups or familial commections, others might represent where each person is from or where they lived

[safe linden]

Oooh good point! I'M GONNA GO ANALYZE THE MASKS AND FIGURE OUT THE SIMILARITIES

[late wasp]

i love you 😳
i just realized something thanks to this message and your plant theory! hahahaha

ancestors' hearts are those spheres that turn into dark plants, right?
a skid's heart is pure fire 🔥
the skids are literally pulling their hearts out to kindle stuff. it's also why they don't turn into dark plants.

[cosmic willow]

that too!i completely forgot lightseekers and belonging

[rigid mural]

not refuting what you said, i just think our sky kids are pretty golem-y because they are meant to be blank slates for us to project on and customise. Otherwise, you do get instances of sky kids drinking. Though I concede sky kids and ancestors could be not the same but... maybe there was a time where they cohabited, hence the switch trailer kid being very sky kid-y

[cosmic willow]

ooh cool!triangles and diamonds are pretty prevalent in sky masks and that is said to represent the ancestors

[keen shore]

I mean, it’s possible, but wouldn’t we see more evidence of it ingame? Like, them being included in spirit memories, them in more murals, so on…

[slate saffron]

I second this. After all, each season brings us new masks with their own unique styles specific to that group of spirits. Why go through all the trouble of coordinating the design of your mask if you didn't want people to associate you with them?

[weak osprey]

Feels like this ties in more with skykids being vessels. We don't eat, don't exactly die in normal circumstances and we're pretty much carbon copies of one another until we start customizing ourselves. Otherwise, like we gained a personality/consciousness through our travels learning the emotes and reliving spirit memories.

We learn likes and dislikes.

[rigid mural]

could be too short of a time spent together to make lasting effects; we do have the ushering stargazer memory, and the wierd statue in the prairie village

[boreal nebula]

We got a bean hint about animal masks being tied to their professions from Ash (a dev)

And we figured birds mask are all performers (like for example Rhythm spirits and Skater Girl)

[rustic heron]

We don't eat,
Grandma spirit would like to have a word with you.

[weak osprey]

In abyss, diamonds are referred to as resources. So they could be currency, material or maybe even food.

[keen shore]

Wait what weird statue in the prairie village? They all just seem to look like people, honestly…

And the too short of a time still feels wrong because why would they leave? The ushering stargazer memory seems to take place near the start of the kingdom so why would they be there for… like… a year and just leave?

[cosmic willow]

i suppose colour coding and common patterns might be another thing;lightseekers all have markings near the eyes and are all in blue paint and the belonging spirits all have this forehead diamond motif

[weak osprey]

I missed that. Sorry.

Technically, she's feeding us light tho.

[safe linden]

Have you noticed how only the seasonal spirits have dialog? Whats so special about them. Like the narcissist, I love you man, but why do you talk

[cosmic willow]

that’s true
diamonds are important to the ancestors and that motif could be important in mask design

[keen shore]

Because they’re the handsomest, best dressed, richest, and most intelligent man on the island, duh

[safe linden]

Material girl

[rustic heron]

So, if the intro is anything to go by, masks may be a way of separating the Ancestors from each other. The darkness of discord split the Elders, and they all made their own little home separate from the others.

Masks could represent this. For instance, only GW spirits have helmets or other armor.

[late wasp]

Discord split the Elders.
you heard here first

[rustic heron]

Me IRL.

[cosmic willow]

i’m guessing it’s to tie in the narrative since the season it’s from is based on a book,The Little Prince.The spirits are based on characters from that book and the dialogue helps distinguish them i guess?

[safe linden]

Oh yeaaaah i forgot about that

[rustic heron]

Discord Nitro split the Elders.
FTFY.

[rigid mural]

but they're the only man on the island...

[cosmic willow]

valley nitro havers VS wasteland nitroless folk

[weak osprey]

Looking back at Season of Enchantment, I noticed that the group looked more like traders and scholars. And they aren't featured in other seasons like how we could spot season of rhythm spirits during season of dreams memories.

[nova geyser]

Also why don’t the capes cast a shadow D:

[boreal nebula]

Oh-OH...
You're too skinny, you don't eat nothing... Come have a dinner dumplings

||Btw why should Grandma's free wax have a cap limit..? Grandmas over feed us, We cannot say no to more FOOD wax||

[weak osprey]

Regarding this, pretty sure the spirits from enchantment have been stuck on the forgotten ark for a pretty long time.

[rustic heron]

Light Enginer Limitations Glowing so brightly, skykids and spirits couldn't possibly cast shadows

[cosmic willow]

i’m guessing they either could’ve lived at different times or they were foreign travellers with no knowledge of the other realms

[nova geyser]

Your stomach gets full XD

[keen shore]

Sorry you forgot the second half of the sentence. They’re the only man on the island who can talk /j

[boreal nebula]

[weak osprey]

I think it's because the capes are made up of light, skykids are like vessels in my theory so the bodies are still casting a shadow

[safe linden]

Who is this!!!!!!!! I love her

[cosmic willow]

the other men close their mouths to heed his glorious words

[rigid mural]

cackling cannoneer, my beloved

[safe linden]

I love her hair

[cosmic willow]

ah cackling cannoneer
everyone’s little chaos agent

[nova geyser]

OHHHH that makes sense. Does anyone who has the fireworks staff know if the staff casts a shadow too? Because now that I think of it I don’t think the hair casts a shadow either 🤔

[safe linden]

I knew immediately that I would get pride reacts on this, I absolutely love her and claim her for the gays

[keen shore]

You fool. There are no genders in sky, EVERYONE IS GAY /hj

[rustic heron]

Cackling Canonneer, AKA Ms. Steal yo spouse, AKA Ms. set your house on fire and laughed at you.

[nova geyser]

I claim her harpoon gun for the aces

[cosmic willow]

i’d let her/j

[rigid mural]

cackling cannoneer is a wanted criminal in 70 countries

[safe linden]

Right right my mistake, I claim the spirit for the non binaries, including me

[keen shore]

There aren’t even 70 countries in the sky world, nobody knows how they’ve managed to pull this off

[cosmic willow]

they just did don’t question it

[safe linden]

I claim this as canon to the lore, shes wanted everywhere. She's the loki of sky

[weak osprey]

Comparing between enchantment and abyss, they don't seem too different. You could see there could be some similarities but the differences in region helps differentiate the kind of outfits they wear. Enchantment was essentially traders while abyss looks to be sailors

[boreal nebula]

SoTLP was based on a collab with The Little Prince (originally a book from Saint Excupairy ||God, I hope I wrote it correctly||)
So they aren't 100 percent canon... In some way even Devs told us there is part of the that season which isn't canon canon

Also the Starlight Desert is subtitled as "Where worlds collide"

[nova geyser]

And time!! I think time wise the Enchantment peeps were probably dead before the Abyss guys

[cosmic willow]

i mean she dug up so much diamonds there’s no reason she wouldn’t be on at least one no fly(?)sail(?) list

[rustic heron]

Maybe she came from Forest before the calamity, and invented harpoon guns. Her terrorism in Forest using this new invention led to her banishment from forest.

This would explain why her hair looks like Forest Elder's hair.

[weak osprey]

True true.

[safe linden]

OOH i need to analyze her mask!

[cosmic willow]

yep
i personally see Abyss spirits to be the most recent out of all the seasonal spirits

[rustic heron]

TGC, when do we get a harpoon gun accessory? Why are you nerfing us by withholding the great power of harpoon gun?

[weak osprey]

I'd say her hair reminds me more of GW Elder.

[safe linden]

There can only be one

[keen shore]

Side note I love how skykids seem to be these weird half-vessel half-child incomprehensible creatures that would freak out most ancestors but the belonging ancestor (and sparkler parent) do not care and immediately adopt us anyways

[cosmic willow]

actually this might not be related to the masks at all but i think the commodore(?)’s hair has small manta tattoos on it
(found by a friend)

[rustic heron]

Even better. Cackling Canoneer has no trigger discipline, so she was banished after injuring 3 regiments of soldiers.

[boreal nebula]

Lapis Lazuliii, you fled into the bottom of the sea 🎵

[late wasp]

my monki brain went and got some popcorn
i came back to my pc trying to find what movie i was watching (that prompted the desire for popcorn)
took me a while to realize lore channel was entertaining me enough to make me want some popcorn LOL

I will now watch you discuss as I eat some 🍿

[safe linden]

They're like rats to the elder

[cosmic willow]

there can only be one

[rustic heron]

I think Vault Elder likes us a lot, too.

[cosmic willow]

cannonner has broke at least 5 laws in every realm

[weak osprey]

Tools more like. It feels like they know exactly what our purpose is. Why we're alive in the first place.

[safe linden]

I'm the superior

[keen shore]

“I have died and met god three times and every spirit I have met is horrified and confused at my existence”
“Cool, want a muffin?”

[half shadow]

CC’s (cackling cannoneer) hair is cool, it’s like they have tattoos? or maybe they’re shaved in designs? It’s super cool I wonder if they’re just punk rock or if it means something

[rustic heron]

I mentioned this earlier, but I think that collectively all Sky kids are the glue uniting all the Elders again (AKA connecting all the stars).

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, they do seems to live in harmony though...

In Village Of Dreams we see their seasonals both with and without masks (Dancing Performer, Spin Mentor and Shy Postman with Yeti and Skater Girls + Leap Dancer with Cheerful Spectator)

[nova geyser]

Which is interesting because they’re harvesting the diamonds, which implies that either a) they’re not the only spirits still alive at that point in time or b) the diamonds have some use other than aesthetics (tbh I think they can store light and are basically batteries :p)

[weak osprey]

I think it's like seeing a machine learn to be human

[cosmic willow]

I’m not second to you

[rustic heron]

Skytroit: Become Human (of light).

[half shadow]

this is a david cage free zone

[safe linden]

I need to redraw my sky oc, he was chill. I sent my og drawing of him to the art chat but I'm not proud of it. But i think I'm gonna draw her first

[boreal nebula]

No... No it cannot 👵

[nova geyser]

CAN YOU IMAGINE ACTUALLY after you’ve gone to Granny’s enough the next time you bonk into something the chime noise is all muffled (because you’re full of dumplings now XD)

[cosmic willow]

personally i think maybe it’s the opposite;they are scavenging an abandoned area where they are the last spirits left in that place
and yeah,those diamonds could be used as batteries so maybe they’d trade these “resources” for something else since there seems to be a pretty high demand for diamonds

[half shadow]

Their design is super cool! I really like their cape it’s probably my fave item from this season. Their mask as well totally rocks

[late wasp]

I like to think it's a shark bite 🦈

[rustic heron]

Fought a Krill and lived to tell the tale.

[cosmic willow]

maybe it was the little krill in the water from angler’s cutscene

[nova geyser]

Oh, yes, sorry! I didn’t mean the Abyss area specifically; I meant more like there’s spirits elsewhere, that they can trade their swag with XD

[weak osprey]

The entrance to abyss is a dock

[rustic heron]

Or maybe it's the only thing left to power their boat.

[cosmic willow]

ah i see

[boreal nebula]

Ms. set Nostrome on fire and nobody bats an eye xD😨

[late wasp]

i like the meta lore where a bunch of nerd scholars in the Vault that discuss lore all day have secretly a fan club for a random cannoneer in the Kingdom.

cannoneer: *exists*

lore scholars: 😍

[rustic heron]

This is less lore-based, but I'm about to get my first Elder hair. I can get it when next reset happens.

[nova geyser]

Isn’t their boat idling? Actually wait I think you’re right the oars don’t move. But yeah I agree that they’re also scavenging for themselves XD

[cosmic willow]

i’m guessing it’d be after the calamity and spirits are trying to rebuild hence the need for diamonds
i guess they couldn’t get diamonds from factories since both of those we see are out of order(forest needs light,wasteland is literally broken)

[half shadow]

I’m pretty sure their boat got damaged and knocked outta the sky

[late wasp]

cannoneer accidentally blasted their ship

[cosmic willow]

makes sense

[rustic heron]

Canoneer shot the King and caused the Eden disaster.

[half shadow]

name is Canoneer. wields a harpoon gun

[weak osprey]

It looked like the diamonds seem pretty rare and important for canonneer to risk her life to grab just one

[nova geyser]

It could be a precipitation boat that can only travel on water’s various states (so they’d need clouds to fly)

[rustic heron]

Canoneer shot the Megabird and split the Elders, causing the stars to fall.

[foggy lotus]

cannoneer has more than 1 weapon confirmed

[boreal nebula]

It's very intersting, Im not 100% sure Diamonds are made out of darkstone canonically in game

After all the crystals dont seems to have negarive effect on us even if there are big chucks underwater and because Tearful Miner in Forest is called Lightminer

[rustic heron]

Canoneer shot the Isle Elder and shattered his mask.

[late wasp]

i like to think they are retired veterans, the three older ancestors in the crew

[nova geyser]

Actually now that I think about it there’s definitely no cannons on their boat, so it could be their actual ship sank and what we see is a lifeboat XD

[cosmic willow]

guessing the darkness is in how it consumes light(?)

[half shadow]

Well, I’m just basing it on the mural that we see in the entrance cave to the reef, it shows the boat surrounded by clouds above the water, and then the large worm creature jumping up and knocking the boat down. That plus the fact their boat resembles all of the flying ones we’ve seen around in Golden Wasteland

[weak osprey]

They look a bit like the diamonds on the doors at Forest. Could be a power source to get their boat up and running again

[rustic heron]

Canoneer shot Forest Elder's diamond and broke it.

[foggy lotus]

if it's a lifeboat why doesn't the skykid save them??

[rustic heron]

Canoneer tried to shoot GW Elder, but he blocked it with his shield and chucked her into the ocean. That's how the Abyss crew found her, floating in the water.

[nova geyser]

Because they’re already dead. XD

[late wasp]

Canoneer was responsible for GW Elder changing shields, after blasting the old one.

[cosmic willow]

cannoneer,probably:hey guys im in the water im drifting off to sea please help

[rustic heron]

Canoneer shot the official Sky lore bible. That's why there's no lore.

[late wasp]

I would die for them!!

[nova geyser]

Ohhhh I didn’t think about the -sand- worm creature thing art!! In that case I vote the SG drew it XD

[nova geyser]

They accidentally set it on fire while cackling

[rustic heron]

Sophos: I love you so much Canoneer, I would die for you. Please be mine ❤️
Canoneer: Shoots first, doesn't ask any questions, leaves

[foggy lotus]

i think they prolly oofed in an accident of some sort, seeing that some of their masks are broken

[half shadow]

Commodore banned Cannoneer from the actual cannons but they get a harpoon as a compromise for good behavior

[nova geyser]

Tbf to the cannoneer, if they shoot off their right shoulder it could be the recoil from their weapon that broke their mask

[cosmic willow]

or maybe they survived the encounter but kept the masks as a sign of toughness👀
even painting markings on the cracked edges(?)

[rustic heron]

Canoneer is the only ancestor that's been shot by Canoneer and lived.

[half shadow]

Commodore’s mask is cracked as well:

[foggy lotus]

i geuss that explains the cannoneer, but not the angler

[cosmic willow]

wait that’s interesting
the abyss spirits are the only spirits with the blue forehead diamond

[nova geyser]

All of their capes (except the commodore I think) have blue diamonds too

[weak osprey]

So I'm guessing the season of abyss crew are survivors of a crash, like enchantment. Only they found a sort of working boat that needs power to leave?

[safe linden]

Why do you think the sky kids can collect accessories from spirits?

[rustic heron]

Have you noticed that Spirits with beards have their beards outside their masks?

[boreal nebula]

I thought it as if those triangle as stich from scars.. after all it is seen even around the mask broken part

OR at very least as Tattoos

[weak osprey]

To me, it looks more like we try to imitate the spirits

[late wasp]

Cannoneer:

[rustic heron]

My condolences, Sophos. Better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all, right?

[nova geyser]

Cannoneer’s triangle tattoos signify how many Elders they’ve taken out XD

[weak osprey]

I think that's more to our convenience

[half shadow]

actually it’s just the Commodore! none of the others have one. i personally believe that it shows their ranks in according to the military or whatever organization they’re apart of. all of the others have an insignia, Boatswain has little badges across their coat. i think it’s something like a navy

[cosmic willow]

oh that’s cool

[nova geyser]

I mean I’ve seen people take a fish to the face when they’re fishing, so maybe one broke hers? XD

[rustic heron]

So you don't actually get reborn when you go through Orbit's gate. Canoneer actually is waiting within, and shoots you, causing your rebirth.

[weak osprey]

Probably the smaller krill

[boreal nebula]

Ooh.. so it could be both
tattoos over scars of shark bites!

[rustic heron]

When Canoneer returns as a TS, and you unlock their Wing Buff, they shoot the wing buff from their harpoon gun at you in Orbit

[weak osprey]

So what you're saying is, sky didn't just have a simple army. They had a damn navy

[rustic heron]

I'm gonna base all my lore theories on Canoneer shooting things from now on.

[weak osprey]

Maybe the symbolism of the mask is also related to one's life experience. Aside from representing their cultures and backgrounds, it could also show what they've been through

[boreal nebula]

Mann.. it's hard for a not native to keep the pace reading all the comments

But .. 🍿

[nova geyser]

If the lil diamonds are little batteries, it could be each spirit has their diamond do a specific thing?

[late wasp]

this is what makes the most sense to me honestly, because of the diving masks having crystals

[rustic heron]

Naturally, canoneer uses the batteries as a way to power their harpoon gun, and also shoots the diamonds.

[nova geyser]

I was gonna say if they can act like a bag of holding then Cannoneer just holds a crapton of weapons in it XD

[boreal nebula]

But we are made of light and it doesn't drain us of anything... Like water drained us in GW mainland or Red Crystals in Eden

[nova geyser]

Red crystals are anti-batteries and the water’s contaminated with powdered red crystals uwu

[weak osprey]

It could be more than simply a power source. Symbolically, a power source as significant as the diamond would be something that could start empires and kingdoms.

So maybe the diamonds on the masks are to show their allegiance to the kingdoms or relations to it.

Plus, I think the triangles are like probably the beta version of the diamonds in a way.

[cosmic willow]

hmm that’s true
could those diamonds be inactivated then?
they seems smaller,and don’t have the ability to consume light yet

[rustic heron]

I like to think that when crystals are over charged, they lose stability and turn red, sucking in all light around them.

[boreal nebula]

Lore Bible exists ...
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[late wasp]

I've read it AMA

[nova geyser]

Ooh I can understand that, but then why haven’t we seen any processed crystals be red?

[rustic heron]

You fool. Cannoneer is heading in that direction right now.

[half shadow]

Just going off of what their names are as well, specifically Boatswain, Cannoneer, and Commodore, are actually rankings in a ship’s line of command. I think they’re apart of some sort of naval force, but we’re left stranded in the reef after being attacked by the big ol worm fella

[rustic heron]

They aren't overcharged. Whatever happened in Eden lead to a reaction that overcharged a giant diamond, causing it to glow red (maybe with heat) from all the energy, and causing it to suck in more energy to replace what was lost via heat dissipation.

[nova geyser]

And presumably explode, as there’s chunks everywhere?

[late wasp]

they placed that crystal directly on top the beam of energy/souls of the world.

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer broke Mallard by shooting them.

[nova geyser]

Oh!! Do we have any theories about why the skid statues outside the tunnel to Eden have grown crystals but none of the other statues have?

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer scourged Sophos' stars buy shooting them (with emotional bullets from their emotional harpoon gun).

[nova geyser]

Shot in the heart
Cannoneer’s to blame
I don’t mind I love them

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer shot those sky kids in the tunnel once, and shot all the other sky kids twice (once when they weren't statues, and again when they were).

It's likely just age and wind from the storm eroding the statues.

[boreal nebula]

She cannot fly. .. can she?

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer doesn't fly. She shoots the ground with such force that she launches herself wherever she needs to go.

[weak osprey]

I have this theory where the red crystals are a result of failed experimentation of energy conservation. Like trying to create a battery that could hold more power. And let's say the most basic source of energy to power these crystals had been light.

Thus explains why the blue and red crystals outside of the Eye of Eden crumble to dust immediately. They have no more light and cannot be saved

[nova geyser]

Pogo-harpoon cannoneer

[lofty void]

Ah, rocket jumping technique, i see

[rustic heron]

Cannoneer shot Soldier, took his rocket, and learned to rocket jump. She then modified her harpoon gun to do the same.

[weak osprey]

I meant statues with crystals on them

[boreal nebula]

🎧

[foggy lotus]

maybe wasteland elder supports this theory
they seem like an army general or a guard to me

[weak osprey]

My theory is that the crystals store light energy as their main purpose and let's say maybe the statues had been struck by them, thus sucking up their literal life force and causing them to crumble

[late wasp]

📠

[nova geyser]

Presumably the statues were actual skids tho before they tried to fix Eden? Oh wait are you talking about the ones past pnr? Then yes that makes total sense

[boreal nebula]

I think she/they would be so mad to either shoot with an insane angle to harpoon Sneezing Scholar's island or harpoon to the cosmic manta and slings to that island like that

||And that, kids, is why Starlight Cosmic Manta was soo traumatized that yeeted you all these times|| xD

[nova geyser]

Oh another thing about Eden that I find hilarious: the flying rocks and crystals. Why is that a perpetual system?? Who is carrying them back up top so they can get blown back down again?? If it’s always new rocks/crystals, where’s the giant pile at the bottom?? (I realize it’s game logic for eternal rocks but I like to think about what the realm logic behind them would be XD) (DO THE KRILL CARRY THEM BACK UP HAHAHA)

[safe linden]

I love the whole swimming mechanic that was added, but I also love how it implies the skykids had to be taught to swim

[nova geyser]

Don’t we all XD

[boreal nebula]

My short answer

Strong magnetic field makes all rocks spin at a constant velocity (you cannot stop them by being hit)

[foggy lotus]

is there a natural rock factory inside that mountain

[weak osprey]

I'd say it's like a storm kind of cycle. There's probably a whirlwind somewhere so strong that it carries the rocks up but also throws them around.

I call it, the flying rock cycle

[weak osprey]

That's good too

[nova geyser]

That is very ferrous rocks and a hella strong magnetic field, then XD

Also this would imply that if you strapped enough rocks onto a krill you could make them constantly spin around Eden too

[foggy lotus]

what if krills worked like mantas and they can carry you around as you lose ur WL

[nova geyser]

ALSO A GIANT BATTERY HELL YEAH ELECTRICITY

[nova geyser]

I was thinking of just letting yourself get slammed by a rock and then holding on until you’re at the top XD

[boreal nebula]

We usually can hit a rock wall without any damage because we are lowkey able to twist the locale gravity around us (like moving capes, emotes, and flying or bursting in air after a new wedge is unlocked)

This give us a slight magnetic field that protect us against hits (like in realm life atoms don't really touch, but repel themselves, even if we perceived them as touching)

But like in the Large Haddron Collider of Ginevra (LHC) all those rocks have enough speed to hit us like act as two atoms crashing into a mini nuclear reaction

[weak osprey]

Ooh

[half shadow]

Technically every spirit we know is addressed by they/them, so feel free to use it!

[boreal nebula]

Btw why Krills and Mantas can seem to be able to pass through objects?!

Is that just a game mechanic?

[nova geyser]

They be phasing 8|d

[weak osprey]

Mantas are made up of pure light, hence why we recharhe when they go through us

Though I think the majority is actually just game mechanics

[foggy lotus]

hold on-
are the effects of eden felt throughout the realms (ex: a statue here or there or maybe one of those red crystals)
or is eden basicly in quarentine bc of that gate and our skykids are just trying to fix it everytime they go through

[boreal nebula]

In my language, like french and Spanish version, Spirits have masculine and feminine names even if in an inclusive way (fainting warrior is a she for example)

Soo I get confused sometimes

[nova geyser]

I think the second?

[boreal nebula]

But they can smash rocks!

[nova geyser]

Only when they wanna smash rocks!!

[foggy lotus]

you clearly have never been kidnapped by a manta during ur cr in prairie