lore-discussion-spoilers

[orchid jolt]

Ok, days of fortune dragon's music has NO right to slap so hard

[tulip aspen]

up to you ig

[fickle tundra]

so here is something i noticed: the water at abyss seems to be very warm, not only does it support that much plant/animal life in a desert area, but it also reflects in a weird way and is very transparent

[lapis badger]

I think the lore is deeper than we’re anticipating. We know that the Eden elder was the original Skykid. I believe that he was an astronaut in a technologically advanced society, and was sent to explore other planets for the possibility of life, and as he crashed into the world we currently know in Sky, he found signs of life, as seen in the trailer. Then as he integrated into what we will call Sky society, the gods of the world (the elders) noticed that he was not originally of their world, and took notice of him trying to bring the technology of his people to their society. We can see the progression of technology through the 5 “worlds” we visit, beginning with rudimentary levels and progressing to the advanced levels. We pass from desert to vault tech, and as we arrive at wasteland, we come to the factories, and the machine-like attributes of the Krill (created as builders by the factory workers to advance the technology at a quicker pace). The Krill were not happy that the Eden elder (Skykid) was ruining their society, so they fractured parts of the world into realms to slow the pace, hurting themselves in the process due to the difficulty of the task. This process also created infighting among the Krill.

When Skykid almost succeeded in making his world technologically advanced enough to allow us to relocate, the gods encased him in the destruction of his own technology, which created the "Eye of Eden" as we know it, thus imprisoning him for eternity. However, they felt they had made a mistake, reincarnated Skykid (the role we now assume as players), and helped him in his journey to bring peace back to the world, integrating the spirits to help him on his quest. As we complete our journey through the Eye of Eden, using winged lights to get around (past reincarnations of Skykid), we release all the past reincarnations and spirits as we ascend into a heavenly status, thus bringing peace to all the land.

[tulip aspen]

IT OLAYS MUSIC????????

[stark marten]

Yes it does, but I think you need to be near it to be able to hear it well

[boreal nebula]

I came up with some "random" names for the 8 puppils of the Prophets

Can you geuss where I took the inspiration?

[orchid jolt]

hebrew alphabet/other alphabet

[tulip aspen]

yepyep! both the projection and dreamscape theory are absolutely valid for vault due to the mood of meditation as a theme

if im being honest, i should give the projection theory much more credit in my doc, thanks for pointing that out!!

[fickle tundra]

flooded.. oof

[orchid jolt]

the "aleph"/"alpha" and "bet"/"beta" kinda give it away for being an alphabet

[harsh pecan]

Sad

[boreal nebula]

Why not Eta..!?

It cannot be even shuffled without getting funny!

[orchid jolt]

cause its later in it? its literally called ALPHABET

[lapis badger]

also I added a bit later, that the society in which the original skykid came from was Earth.

[boreal nebula]

EAT
ATE

Better keep Eta

[fickle tundra]

f o o d

[stable veldt]

now we're leaning on the 4th wall. Is this may be the reason why ||office|| existed too? the people work there are the people that he skids chose to control how the kingdom will go kek

[lapis badger]

I did mention the same thing earlier, as with the ISS. I know office isn't canon, but canon is skewed with this game 🙂

[orchid jolt]

technically, the office doesnt exist in the world of sky, but rather exists only in the game. this is a confirmed thing

but its still fun to theorize and try to fit it into headcanons lol

[lapis badger]

Indeed, but I also added that they put in office to hint at the connection between our reality, and Sky as a game

[fickle tundra]

one of the reasons why i believe king krill was experimented on (OOB, NOT HACKING!)

[sharp lichen]

Poor Jorm

[boreal nebula]

Ohyeah, alphABET....

Thing is pondered if shuffleing into Tabe or Teba, but I didnt want to sound too much closer to my nick😅

[tulip aspen]

sl sl dlenlrnlfnlrn ate

[fickle tundra]

yeah, poor larry (or whatever name you, reading this message gave it)

[orchid jolt]

ate, eight, nate

[tulip aspen]

yes, many awesomely written AUs thrive on the meta of Earth being connected to the Sky world

[stable veldt]

now i'm interested to read the AUs

[lapis badger]

@tulip aspen, what do you think of the theory? I'm very anxious to be shot down or have it read and commented on regardless. I'm not sensitive so please be honest. If you've time ofc.

[boreal nebula]

Anyway, the correct answer was : ||Greek Alphabet is too much common, so let's mix things up. And some sound very close to elders "names"||

ATE

[tulip aspen]

hmm, we have no evidence of an "Earth" existing, or that the prince (Eden elder) was a skykid, however, he was indeed a CotL for sure

[sage isle]

Are sky kids being used for child labor in this season 🧍‍♀️

[tulip aspen]

A T E
i has ates in my skyfam and they are scary

right @red jewel?

[orchid jolt]

i mean, we sort of have some, but its very weak and boils down to "who else is the child from stargazer's memory gonna be?"

[stable veldt]

"Pst hey kid, we ran out of crew, think you can fill the hole? No worries, no government are around anymore to make a rule about child labour"

[sage isle]

there's what, 4 adults? not including the guide and one child

[orchid jolt]

spoil oobs that will be unlocked later in the season pls. you dont really need to, but like, its much appreciated if you do.

[sage isle]

"hjonk?" "perfect! now go swimming in a flooded mine! with no breathing gear, good luck kiddo!"

[lapis badger]

Aye, I sort of launched into this as provided earlier from the screenshots provided of an astronaut that very closely resembled an Earth astronaut, the presence of the ISS, and the integration of the Little Prince arc

[fickle tundra]

the room where they probably fed mantas to the krill

[tulip aspen]

well yes the child in stargazer's memory is definitely the prince as a newly born Child of Light, but Children of Light are not necessarily Skykids fam

(CotL anatomy doc)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[fickle tundra]

this is a certified moth-goose moment

[tulip aspen]

que where are those?

[sage isle]

I headcannon that Sky kids cannot understand other spirits but the spirits just assume they can

[lapis badger]

@hushed steeple provided these @tulip aspen : #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[fickle tundra]

like my cats and me 💀

[boreal nebula]

@tulip aspen @orchid jolt If you wish I could change Abet into Atbe ||but the b is silent ||

[fickle tundra]

that reminds me of michael with a B vine

||Ate with a b lollll||

broken sense of humor intensifies

[orchid jolt]

I mean, it does make sense to send the one person in the group who can not truly die (and who willingly march to their deaths on a weekly basis just for some red candles) on a deadly mission

[tulip aspen]

hotdating presentations dont really.... say much to me tbh

it's cool to look at but it's kinda irrelevant to the canonchasing of today, because they were just random illusory concepts from pre-launch

[fickle tundra]

"what do you get for dying?"

"five bucks"

[orchid jolt]

ok, what actually is "hotdating"?

[sage isle]

HAHA

[stable veldt]

we're talking about probably an eldritch being sent specifically to ascend spirits and can crash on buildings mach speed without feeling pain

[boreal nebula]

"Deflation 💸 ? Wow 5 bucks sounds like alot! 💰 "

[lapis badger]

Aye, I'm with you. My main goal is to present a juxtaposition of the perceived reality and I will be digging deep haha. I'm an archivist by trade currently (part-time to my full-time job), so I'll definitely be working hard at this as I gain more documents and knowledge. Hope to contribute as much as possible as this really interests me! Thanks for your documentation btw!

[boreal nebula]

K. Jockes and this interesting topic isnt enough for mh sleepy brain guess my time has come...

[sharp lichen]

Sneep now or else

[tulip aspen]

thanks for reading, and i hope your digging goes well!!

[orchid jolt]

office toilet krill is gone :(

[tulip aspen]

p sure it means like file datings, timelines in the development process

[lapis badger]

Thanks!

[sharp lichen]

It got plumbed

[orchid jolt]

Oh! thank you for explaining that lol

[rigid mural]

Eden beam ?

[tulip aspen]

i might be completely wrong as its just a guess but yw

[half shadow]

theres a lot of beams of light in sky

[boreal nebula]

Else.. what? ||suspence ia killing me ||

[lapis badger]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is meant to be a contrast to carbon dating

[rustic heron]

Hey, everyone keeps saying “King Krill”. Why not “Queen Krill”?

[lapis badger]

Aye

[rigid mural]

he's trans

[lapis badger]

Also this is un-lore related, but I have a tattoo sleeve from Dante's Divine Comedy that reminds me of sky a bit... I was just looking at it, and was like oh, thats kinda sky-ish

[late wasp]

probably because krill is a masculine word in most languages that do use some combination that sounds like "krill"

[rustic heron]

Some species of fish can change sex depending on environmental factors.

[fickle tundra]

yall fighting over the fish's gender

it tastes the same when fried

[orchid jolt]

probably because most people think of kings as being higher ranking than queens. not saying this asssumption is correct, just that it's common

[rustic heron]

I JUST REALIZED THE DARK CREATURES EYES IN FIRE TRIAL ARE THE SAME AS THE SAME FFECT FOR THE BUMBLING BOATSWAIN’S EMOTE.

[late wasp]

[orchid jolt]

watch isle elder's cutscene

[rustic heron]

THEIR EYES ARE PAIN. DEEPEST LORE.

[orchid jolt]

watch isle elder's cutscene
NOW

[half shadow]

nobody in Sky has a gender so any titles are neutral just in principal

[lapis badger]

@orchid jolt said NOW

[rustic heron]

THE STAFF IS PAIN. DEEPER THAN DEEPEST LORE. THIS IS ABYSSAL LORE.

[sage isle]

more like. Flushed

[rustic heron]

It’s all coming together lads. The secret to Sky lore is PAIN.

[lapis badger]

ABYSSAL LORE is my new norweigan black metal band's name thxxxxxx

[sage isle]

slowly but surely, all the seasons lore will connect EVERYTHING.

[lofty void]

It’s all just… pain?

[orchid jolt]

Source:
||https://that-sky-kuroi.tumblr.com/post/646377554636357632/does-daleth-treat-the-smoke-worms-in-fire-trial||

[rugged jackal]

What on earth did I walk into

[sage isle]

everyone going insane and possibly needing therapy:D

[lofty void]

Just another day in Lore Chat

[lapis badger]

Indeed, but I'm convinced whoever guesses the lore closest to true canon on here, the devs will reward said person with something special in-game, ala the white cloak from journey, or a resize to the size of an elder. edit: aka I hope

[sage isle]

a resize to the size an of elder? that would be chaos, but also fun.

[lapis badger]

Imagine one person having that size... it would be amazing to see

[lofty void]

the valley elders can no longer call me short

[rustic heron]

Sorry fellas. Looks like I’m turning into a white-caped elder-sized skykid.

[sage isle]

people would be climbing all over you, trying to get ontop of your head

[lapis badger]

the woes of being a celebrity I guess

[orchid jolt]

Oh, fun fact that probably has nothing to do with the lore, that "eye" thing looks weirdly similar to shockwaves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrbp2qq8Z2M

[sage isle]

HAHAHA

[lapis badger]

YOU WATCH ACTION LAB TOO?! yay

[tulip aspen]

is that trans or fluid

[rustic heron]

It’s being trans in a fluid. 👈👈

[tulip aspen]

there is nothing going on that's weird or wonky here

||now watch as i become ruby||

[sage isle]

double the therapy for Jam here. Double everything.

[tulip aspen]

ITLL NEVER BE ENOUGH IM TOO STRONG

[rustic heron]

Kalimba gorilla, you’re skykid is now Godzilla.

[tulip aspen]

important daily reminder that the theme of darkness is primarily pollution and not spiritually evil corruption

with that's said, lets enjoy this really cool old concept again about light creatures becoming "mad"

"the second thing, is the creatures

i really like how in this concept of the story, the creatures were sort of like the spirit beings in Avatar TLA and TLo Korra, ancient beings from another plane that live in harmony but are disturbed by the culling of the balance of nature via technology

HOWEVER, creatures have been given a more stagnant and set anatomy past launch

while it'd be so damn cool to see mantas become shrieking demon monsters that fly at you and rip out your eyes if you dare to activate a power diamond, darkness has been given a more set definition than it did before, and is moreso a corruption, corrupting the creatures and ancestors in a pollution way and less of a magic way

darkness is just there theory:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lhsvq0fS9-i2do0pXwoZCmci_42yeVtQOry8jNTpFdM/edit?usp=drivesdk

it's true I'm biased and just prefer the civil war concept of the creature war, but the fact that we know that light creatures dont canonically transform into Korra season 2 anymore shows the creature war cant have been the case anymore SkyLOL SkyLOL SkyLOL"

[sage isle]

why support one concept when yOU CAN SUPPORT BOTH CONCEPTS.

both civil war and uh, I don't know the second concept..

[rustic heron]

Imagine the king sitting up in his castle as there’s a literal civil war between corrupted and pure light creatures.
He sips from a wine glass of wax, and says one thing: “lol gottem “

[sage isle]

then the diamond behind him explodes with a vine boom

[rustic heron]

Pay attention folks. This is lore crafting at it’s finest.

[sage isle]

[half shadow]

technically neither, the term is hermaphroditic fish!

[tulip aspen]

oh god not more rebos

[rustic heron]

You had to hermaphro-do it to ‘em.

[half shadow]

sequential hermaphroditism is a lot more common, meaning that certain fish will change their gender when there is an imbalance between male and females so their breeding rates stay balanced :)

[rustic heron]

Always respect that real-life biology lore. Thanks for sharing.

[sage isle]

I have a question/theory about the elders?

do you guys think they like came to the 'earthly' part of Sky? Like they visited people in their realm, but when Eden turned sour they had to stay locked in their own dimension for safety precautions? (aka the place where we give them fire to put in the diamonds they have)

[rustic heron]

It’s hard to say. Sky straddles a line of spirits being both ephemeral and tangible. Effectively, all beings were once stars, and descended to the realms.

We do see all the elders in Vault, so presumably they aren’t imprisoned in their realms.

Perhaps they stay there due to guilt? To honor the spirits they failed to protect?

[late wasp]

there is a very strong implication that they all died during/before eden went crazy.
during the final flight sequence, you see the graves of the elders in eden.

[hushed steeple]

Glad creature spirit war cut. Im all for light dark creature war though. Giant monster battle sounds a lot more fun then regular people fighting a zoo.

[late wasp]

fighting , and is also not that too exciting either

[wise rampart]

what’s quite interesting is the shields at the battlefield. They feature both inorganic and organic shaping. Was there a rebellion?

[hushed steeple]

Thats why we say those one are only the survivors

[jovial nacelle]

i checked the link, WHAT IS THIS

[tulip aspen]

yes, it's called the Two Shields Theory, where there are two different emblems, likely portraying two different factions, hinting at a civil war within the kingdom

[orchid jolt]

look, i just copied the link the image led to, dont blame me (pls)

[jovial nacelle]

the comics are surprisingly juicy

[wise rampart]

currently typing up a document I’ll get back to you

[jovial nacelle]

So, what are we talking about?

I have a theory for some of you to grow on, do you think the majority of sky is underwater?

[orchid jolt]

guys... we lost Chesca

[jovial nacelle]

they'll be back

[orchid jolt]

is it safe to message their hacked account that I won't click on the link so they don't need to worry? I assume they could still get the message notification (even if they cant open it) but i want to know if it puts my account in any danger

well actually, if I do click the link, then I will become a real bot! No need for the custom role anymore! /j

[sage isle]

D:

I love angst but lore chat twists the knife. also rubbing salt on the wound too

[keen shore]

Imagine if the reason vault starts making less and less sense is because the vault elder making the illusion just slowly starts to forget what it used to look like

[wise rampart]

I had discussed this in a previous server but the current season provides many interesting callbacks to previous lore and current lore. The dark stone mines are seen, which is interesting, since they haven’t been mentioned since the original concepts. The tower/colosseum area is not dissimilar to the vault in structure. Perhaps it was a pseudo vault, intended for producing artificial stars out of dark stone, testing their effects, and archiving information.

The effects of the stars ended up producing something, and you see it in the paintings. The one at the entrance shows a terrible beast, breaking free of a structure and devouring a spirit. The containment is intact when you find it though, so there may be some background. The shields in wasteland contain two factions. Those with organic shapes fighting for light, and those with inorganic fighting for the king. Maybe a subgroup of the light faction destroyed the containment, releasing the abomination and leaving the scientists to recontain it, causing the destruction of knowledge and death of spirits.

The scavengers of the reef are ill prepared as you see. They may have ventured out after the diamond in eden went supercritical, causing the storm. It’s obvious they don’t know about the dragons, nor how to deal with them, as seen in the spirits. Their fate is yet to be found out.

As for the civil war, the people in eden may have attempted to bring their greatest creation online, the artificial sun/diamond at the center. Maybe they used fusion power of some sort, similar to, get this, Doc Ock's fusion reactor. It would explain how it, unlike the other diamonds, stayed online without external light for so long. It became self sustaining, if only for a brief moment,and like Doc Ock’s, manipulated gravity/atmosphere around it, causing a collapse. The end result was so dense it became a contained black hole, or something similar. The jet of pure light is the energy being released, and the terrible gravity caused the storm. Theexcessive darkness in the stones, condensed into a diamond, caused all of this, releasing a torrent of corruption, killing those in eden, the elders, and probably releasing something like a pyroclastic flow of darkness into areas like wasteland.

The forgotten ark was likely making it’s first voyage, possibly going for the wind tunnel we see in the area, trying to bring goods to those in the realms. Due to the distance from the blast, they were able to set up shop and survive for some time, before either succumbing to creeping darkness or natural causes. There were obviously some survivors, like the scavengers, and probably most of valley, due to the elevation.

Ultimately, the elders of sky knew something bad was coming. They knew about the failed experiments, but when war struck, they panicked. They tried to activate their greatest creation, to charge their ark, to fix the problems, but they didn’t test enough. They were their own undoing, and in the end, caused the death of everyone. The sentinels, their ark, all of their magnificent creations, failed to save them.

This is all coming from some idiot who took a break, so if anything is wrong, or sounds extremely stupid, call me out and correct me please.

[sage isle]

Salem, go to your corner

[jovial nacelle]

So far, each stage of vault only shows us the constellations. Could it be that the knowledge we received wasn't all of it?

[cobalt latch]

How many carvings have been found in the reef so far?

[sage isle]

I've found 2, give or take

[hushed steeple]

Carvings?

[sage isle]

the light pictures in the walls

[wise rampart]

I’ve found three

I need to look into the pseudo-vault thing. The idea only came to me a few days ago, and it’s rather intriguing to think about.

[jovial nacelle]

has anyone checked further in the ruins? There's a hidden winged light in there

[hushed steeple]

Ohhh I think theres 3 murals

[willow prawn]

I have a theory that, if each floor in Vault is meant to represent one of the realms, it also means any seasonal areas added to Vault will or should relate to the specific floor/kingdom they're in

So for example, Isle and Little Prince are very obvious. Both him and the skykids fall in the middle of a desert, and wander around a whole world before deciding to go back home (his planet or orbit) through painful sacrifice

Also the vastness and emptiness of the place really gives the Isle vibes

The bad thing? LP is fuzzy in the canon lol

[jovial nacelle]

subnautica as wasteland

[wise rampart]

The Little Prince is an absolute god. We took a fancy elevator and got a nice little diamond, and that kid climbed up a whole dang mountain. No wonder he got killed in the storm, he was all worn out.

I mean seriously. Be befriends a dragon, climbs a mountain, refuses to elaborate then dies and waits for us to save him.

[jovial nacelle]

the fact your pfp matches perfectly with what you're saying makes this even better

[sage isle]

if LP is able to get into the Sky universe. does that mean other people and other things can cross over into the Sky Universe?

[jovial nacelle]

It is possible, there are in fact other planets. Which means there are other sky kids

[sage isle]

WOOOOOOO

[jovial nacelle]

who also... have suffered mental trauma.
and might be even better than us

[wise rampart]

My friend designed it with that in mind

[sage isle]

unacceptable.

[hushed steeple]

Princey not bright. Gets in a manipulative relationship with a flower. Guilts himself into taking responsibility for manipulator enough to willingly run to death.

[jovial nacelle]

they might even have better elders

[sage isle]

sky kids mush show that they're the main kids. the superior skids

[rustic heron]

You can’t beat Vault Elder. She got that cake and brains.

[jovial nacelle]

but what if there is another species of sky kids that also says that

[turbid cliff]

If other things can cross over into Sky's Universe, then that's a lotta potential right there for crossovers n such TotallynotsayingthatthereshouldbeaMarioKartandSkycrossovernotatall

[hushed steeple]

A kingdom of children? Tomato adventure

JUST KIDDING I WANT KIRBY

[sage isle]

this might just be me, but, hat in time?

[rustic heron]

Shadow of the Colossus X Sky anyone

[turbid cliff]

Shadow of the Colossus? :o

[jovial nacelle]

they might be better dancers

[sage isle]

BEANIE SHUSH. YOURE GONNA MAKE ME THIBK OF ALL THE POSSIBILITIES

[rustic heron]

Oh, have you not heard of Shadow of the Colossus?

[turbid cliff]

Nope! Then again, i don't hear about a lotta things lol

[rustic heron]

Sky kid does the peace and tranquility dance.

[jovial nacelle]

THINK ABOUT IT, THEY MIGHT BE EVEN TALLER THAN US

[sage isle]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[turbid cliff]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[jovial nacelle]

zhongli might be even in one of the planets

[sage isle]

"hjonk?" "omasthous wine-"

[rustic heron]

You’re in for a treat: https://teamico.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Colossus

[sharp lichen]

SKY X FORTNITE ZEROPOINT BYE

[sage isle]

NOOOOOO. ANYTHING BUT FORTNITE!!

[rustic heron]

Fort-Sky-te. Hehehe.

[jovial nacelle]

sky kids holding guns

[sage isle]

lapis, I'm going to strangle you.

[sage isle]

you too. im gonna strangle you too.

[rustic heron]

You’ll have to live with that thought forever, hahaha

[sharp lichen]

It would be unbelievably funny to see it happen. I don’t want Fortnite content in Sky, but it would be actually interesting to see Sky content in Fortnite

[turbid cliff]

Imagine a Sky kid as tall as a teenager just shows up and every other sky kid is rapidly honking and basically going "WHAT RESIZE POTION IS THAT???" and the teenage skid is just

[hushed steeple]

If sky had 1/4 of kirby lore we would have more to go on

[rustic heron]

Their pimples are little candles. Pop them for wax.

[jovial nacelle]

[turbid cliff]

NOT KIRBY LORE

Lapis why

[jovial nacelle]

[hushed steeple]

We gonna get Shinya Kumazaki to make some nice sky art for us hehehehwhewhe :]

[rustic heron]

Kirby lore:
Kirby breaks into your home
Destroys an eldritch abomination
Eats all your food
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves

[jovial nacelle]

the chaotic energy you possess is similar to your pfp

[hushed steeple]

And ancient magic users had a fight with the ancient technology users. Also both are cats. Also nothing is as bad as what Kirby will do to you if you take his food.

[jovial nacelle]

kirby eating a power diamond is the reason why eden broke

[hushed steeple]

Serious question, is everything all right with Chesca?
A really weird thing happened in my DMs so I need to ask

[rustic heron]

TGC is hiding the truth. All Sky kids are actually Kirby wearing a mask and controlling a robot body.

[hushed steeple]

Its lore chat right didnt specify what game :)

Im kidding i’ll stop now

[turbid cliff]

What if there are skids out there with FINGERS and MOUTHS

[jovial nacelle]

random bot hacked them

[sharp lichen]

got revenge for cellarposting a bot hacked them because Chesca knew too much about the lore bible

[hushed steeple]

All right, thanks!

Apparently she can still message. But dunno. Will hopefully regain control.

[jovial nacelle]

which is why NORD-

[hushed steeple]

I really hope so

[rustic heron]

She knew the ultimate truth: every copy of Sky is personalized.

[hushed steeple]

Anyway. On one of the presentations I saw earlier they said most sky creatures are just based off stuff from other games which I guess seems obvious

[cobalt latch]

I’ve found 3 so far, and I have a theory that the whole reef was a containment and research facility for studying the creatures of the realms. In the murals there are spirits that look like they’re holding clipboards even.

[jovial nacelle]

most of them are just sea creatures

[cobalt latch]

They also seem to have something to do with the diamonds, almost like the diamonds may be powered by the light from the creatures?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Not very copied looking. Though flying gold and white sea animals is very common

[wise rampart]

See it’s not just me!

I had the idea of it being a pseudo-vault, designed to mine dark stone, turn it into stars, and test the effects on creatures

[celest spoke]

Huge diamond press? Though the mined ones we’re bringing to the boat are pretty small… and what is the boat crew going to do with them? They’re not part of the original staff, they’re scavengers

[cobalt latch]

The boat crew is unwittingly taking the only remnants of power keeping the facility running at all, containing the creatures. We’re about to set them loose, so it seems like they’ve been contained the entire time.

I’m getting major Subnautica vibes

[celest spoke]

What have the creatures been eating all this time? Each other?

[sage isle]

and you THINK about what you SAID

[wise rampart]

they may not be trying to take the large ones, rather scavenging. They’re unprepared, and don’t know of the dragons, meaning that they might be unleashing the beastie

[celest spoke]

Cackle might want to harpoon something… where’d they find that huge stash anyway

Should we nickname Cackle “Ahab”

[keen shore]

[mutters quietly] I can say sadder things than that

[sage isle]

do NOT

[cobalt latch]

I suspect that the mantas and other light creatures are like us (sky kids) in that they don’t eat and are basically photosynthetic. Every ecosystem has its predators, though, and that’s the dragons.

[keen shore]

this is TRUE although if this is just happening now, wonder what happened to the spirits in the first place. I keep getting this vibe that we’re somehow going back in time to help them when they could actually need it

[cobalt latch]

The whole “spirits” concept in general always seemed weird to me. What are sky kids then, if not spirits ourselves?

If we’re creatures of light as well, then the physics of time may not be the same for us as they would be for things with actual mass and matter

[hushed steeple]

I don’t consider light to equal spirit. Skykids got physical bodies. Spirits just don’t.

[lapis badger]

many differing theories, but some believe are reincarnated spirits, travelers from another realm, or simply helpers

[keen shore]

Do you think seasonal spirits are just somehow trapped into repeatedly reliving the circumstances leading up to their deaths until we help them??

[lapis badger]

i like that theory. possibly sent to keep us in the helping spirit once all current spirits are helped

[cobalt latch]

But even after we relive the spirits’ memories for the first time, they’re still there. The memories we see during seasons are different though, because we’re actually interacting with them. I don’t think that’s just memories.

[frigid tinsel]

alright lore chat i'm back after avoiding the channel until i did the second quest. maybe i'm expecting too much lore this early in the season

[lapis badger]

same. i am anxiously awaiting the lore drop

[keen shore]

I did notice two things but they’re really tiny

1. the entry arch to the reef has a thing to hang chimes on it but all of them seem broken? in some way. why is that needed
2. there are tons of the Blue Rock Which We Will Not Name just sitting around, why do the spirits onlh want the ones in a specific shape

[half shadow]

I like this theory. I think that it was also, possibly, used as a method of keeping something larger at bay - the big spiked “eel” creature shown at the bottom of one of the murals and in the one in the cave that crashed our season crew’s ship

[half shadow]

maybe they have to be to a certain perfected shape?

[frigid tinsel]

something something power diamonds

[half shadow]

I did think it was super cute when the cannoneer dumped all of theirs onto the map and started laughing lol

[cobalt latch]

Like how crystals need to be cut in a certain way to fit into lasters, telescopes, etc

[keen shore]

I mean probably, but what’s confusing me is that they don’t look like the other refined darkstone. They’re not white colored, they’re just the raw blue stuff that got cut into that shape

Probably got cut down there in some preparation for refinement, though I have no idea how the abyss spirits were planning to finish the process

[lapis badger]

we were talking earlier that crystals are most likely like batteries, as they power sky tech

[half shadow]

they could be a certain kind of darkstone. we know that the darkstone in Eden turned all red and evil-y, this could be another variant

[frigid tinsel]

aren't power diamonds blue? also we seem to be pulling these ones out of things that were probably using the power diamonds to operate, so they prob were.

[cobalt latch]

May I post a picture to discuss my theory that light creatures are used to power the batteries?

[keen shore]

Ohhh the second part good point. I was confused why they were just sitting in there with the raw stuff

[half shadow]

there was a whole stage in concept art where it was directly shown that creatures of light were basically ground down into darkstone, it’d be interesting if we get a rehashing of that idea in this season

[frigid tinsel]

gestures to caged mantas

[tulip aspen]

CHESCA OMG

[keen shore]

I am tired and for some reason I thought refined darkstone turned white until I thought about it more and remembered that’s only after you light it

[cobalt latch]

I don’t know if they’re ground up per se, but their photosynthetic ability would be very useful for capturing and storing energy

[frigid tinsel]

oh that's a good point

[half shadow]

i am really fascinated by the giant mural creature. if anybody has a picture of it , preferrably the one from the entrance cave into the Reef. it’s design reminds me of a bobbit worm

[tulip aspen]

hmm hacked chess didn't attack me, even viruses dont like me

[tulip aspen]

NOOO SLAEM COM E BACK

[half shadow]

woah, is that OOB?

[cobalt latch]

Shhh don’t worry about it

[half shadow]

if it’s Beta then it’s illegal

[keen shore]

Eat him like the noodle

[tulip aspen]

arrow please delete it la sigh

[cobalt latch]

I was running out of air and couldn’t get closer and also it was very scary but no it’s not beta

[half shadow]

oh my god wait where did you find this. i need to sacrifice myself immediatelt to see this

[tulip aspen]

it doesn't mattwr if its not beta we're not supposed to get to it yet so please delete the image and spoiler

[cobalt latch]

I apologize, I’ve literally never used this discord before and I don’t know the etiquette

[half shadow]

we’re not? the only way it would be a spoiler is if it was from Beta, if its in the game but just hidden then I don’t think it’s a spoiler. people go out of bounds alllll the time to hunt for secret stuff

[frigid tinsel]

it's a spoiler for the upcoming quest

[half shadow]

oh, but it’s in the game currently?

[tulip aspen]

aw sorry for being rude

[cobalt latch]

Someone asked for an image of the big shrimp and I happened to have one, it’s all good

[frigid tinsel]

it's technically not since the only way to access it is by OOBing so it was intended to be hidden.

[half shadow]

ah alright

[tulip aspen]

seasons of dreams was able to be warped to before the season was even out due to people breaking thru the door to the warp portal, and that was illegal, its the same concept but clearly a lot less defendible

[half shadow]

oof that sucks!

[tulip aspen]

yee i getchu, thx for deleting tho

[keen shore]

Is it bothering anyone else that this creature looks so different from the one in other murals (more spiky, different mouth) ||and from the big beta worm we can actually see??||

[tulip aspen]

i think its just a stylization, we cant always assume murals are candidly spot on

[lapis badger]

has the office mech been confirmed to be influenced by shadow of the colossus? i was just in office (obvi) and thought about that

[half shadow]

i think there was def a big SOTC influence in early development yeah! i’m uncertain if anybody’s actually confirmed it but i feel like i read it somewhere

[lapis badger]

yeah me too. it’s definitely been out there, i’m just too sneepy to remember anything about life rn

[hushed steeple]

Im completely convinced they are different things yep.

[keen shore]

I don’t think it’s just stylization, even in these two they look really different. Second one doesn’t have flipper adjacent structures, different shaped head, different mouth, so on

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, its one thing to “misinterpret” a creature, but that things face is completely different. It has similarities but unless ||dark leviathans face splits open|| they look nothing alike

[keen shore]

I GUESS the second one could turn into the first when it’s angry but it would require a lot of borderline body horror stuff, like the spines snapping and changing direction, the mouth splitting open, and so on that there’s no real precedent for in the game until now

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I looked for a vertical seam along its nose....just in case too...

[frigid tinsel]

i'm guessing ||underwater kaiju battle in the future, light vs dark||

[hushed steeple]

Thats too cool for sky to actually do

[keen shore]

I mean the first one looks like it’s attacking a ship (maybe that’s how the very first group found the islands in the first place??) so maybe they attacked and killed it to defend themselves, but we can’t really see a giant skeleton anywhere and it would imply the island always had those creatures instead of them being a negative result of human intervention which given the typical Sky themes I’m not really sure is true

[hoary rose]

Do we think that underwater krill are smaller than actual krill, or was that spirit memory kinda warped? Sorry for off topic a little

[keen shore]

I mean, could be possible that ||beta worm|| isn’t even a dark creature in the first place, but just resembles one due to inhabiting the deep sea. I mean, it doesn’t attack us for our light, and it doesn’t “shed” darkness flakes like krill and crabs

[hushed steeple]

Thats spirit was scared. If it was a warped memory ide imagine id be even bigger!

[hushed steeple]

But its chummy with its krilly buds

[hoary rose]

That's what I'd think, but I got two photos of a semi-comparison and they look. So tiny

[hushed steeple]

its a little one

[keen shore]

My theory is that either they can vary in size depending on location/corruption circumstances or they just grow, and the reason we see such big ones is because it’s been a while since memory took place so baby krill is now grown up

[hoary rose]

Little baby

[tulip aspen]

too random for sky to do

[keen shore]

Maybe it’s too big for them to attack so they just kinda pretend like the other doesn’t exist and go about their lives

[hushed steeple]

C’mon Jam, all the big fishes n shrimps just SCREAM for a giant mosnter battle >:/

[hoary rose]

So consider these... like non-poluted saltwater krills, almost?

Why wouldn't Eden krills be MUCH bigger, then? Youd assume they'd be BIIIG, especially bc they cause loss of light if you get too close. Hmm

It looks like Cackling Cannoneer could spear those poor things

[keen shore]

I guess, though this one could be corrupted as well and that’s the reason for the fear. I mean light creatures don’t really seem aggressive and fear inducing in the least unless they accidentally destroy your house

Or maybe it’s just like a shark when it’s uncorrupted

[rustic heron]

You know, this might be controversial, but I don’t think the spirits are dead. I think they’re original form is a spirit, an ephemeral being.
This means that when we find them, they are trapped, unable to return to the stars. They aren’t dead; they’re forced into corporeal forms, like a prison.

[keen shore]

Day 27 of pretending to be a fish to avoid krill attacks: they still don’t know I’m a skykid

[keen shore]

so what happened to the fainting warrior then?? or any spirit that gets injured in spirit memory (IE bumbling boatswain)

[frigid tinsel]

tbf we do have the "as spirits, we became many" line in the intro, which doesn't make sense since it came before darkness fell

[rustic heron]

One fainted, the other bumbled.

[frigid tinsel]

"fainting" warrior

[keen shore]

I mean, how would they get injured without corporeal bodies?? should have clarified, sorry

[frigid tinsel]

entertaining the thought: spirits are able to interact with the physical world, see the scavengers bringing in the lil power diamonds, so they have some degree of tangibility

[keen shore]

maybe they can phase in and out of tangibility but becoming corporeal takes some kind of energy?? although keep in mind that their clothes seem to be made out of actual cloth and not projections so…

[lapis badger]

goodnight lore kids. finally sleep

[late wasp]

||or you were there long ago||

[tulip aspen]

interesting

as salem says, yeah, how do they have wars?
why would they need transportation?

[rustic heron]

Haha, no worries. I was being cheeky. Sky is different in the way that beings have dual existence; as spirits and having bodies. When we see the bodies of the spirits ,they're starry, like looking into the night sky. You could say they're like clay or stone that's controlled by a spirit.

Perhaps they're like stars. You can't touch stars; they're gas, ephemeral. But they interact with the world, affecting things around them.

[keen shore]

Oh, so they’re able to pick up stuff just by using their gravity in specific ways? I know some light creatures do have their own gravity so makes some sense, still doesn’t quite explain the injury bit though

[late wasp]

pretty sure Ash confirmed they are dead
and Switch trailer show they have pretty solid bodies when alive

[tulip aspen]

illustrious deposition, but I'm not sure I'd understand

[rustic heron]

A notion of attachment. Being in the physical world emphasizes the physical aspect of the dual existence, and the spirits lose sight that they are spirits. Warring, desire, this is all. due to losing sight of their place as being a part of the cycle of death and rebirth, a part of the megabird.

[keen shore]

For me or for Lapis?

[tulip aspen]

yep, the cinematic trailer is a verrryyyyyy big reason why the clayshell theory exists
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rustic heron]

Death of the author.

[frigid tinsel]

Jam's theory binder

[late wasp]

they literally have gravestones and are called spirits and their world is in ruins lol

[keen shore]

For a second I forgot paper binders existed and wondered how you would adapt a chest binder to somehow involve theories

[frigid tinsel]

we've done it, we transed lore chat

[keen shore]

haha, just like everyone else is dead

[tulip aspen]

idk why i said binder instead of vault or folder

i think i chose the wording cos for now there isnt much in there yet, and also it's not worthy of being a vault or something grander

[late wasp]

tbf, i rather just consider the charcoal+jade skin. explains the shiny translucent skin.

never understood why people want them to be made of clay lol

[frigid tinsel]

when i hear binder besides chest binder i think of all the label tags and dividers in a school binder so it works /shrug

[rustic heron]

Spirits throughout history have had stone edifices erected for interacting with them and worship of them. A stone with a spirit is not necessarily a marker of death.

And effectively speaking, the author's intentions do not dictate the interpretation of their work. This is what "death of the author" means. So long as I can use the narrative in a reasonable way, I can interpret the work differently that what the author might have said.

[keen shore]

Wait, lore chat wasn’t already trans?

[tulip aspen]

clay as in a malleable pottery, slightly hardened; made of earth, idk how the Sky would allow them to form a body of jade but im sure you can find a reason

charcoal is what the Elder's physical bodies are supposedly made of

[late wasp]

main problem with that is how the work is not finished; nullifying death of the author

[frigid tinsel]

but magic-induced in order to be useful as bodies

[tulip aspen]

yee ig i was also going for that

[rustic heron]

Oh, it doesn't need to be finished. The work exists in an evolving form, and so the intent of the author is further weakened as culture develops past their intentions at the time of creation.

In any case, It's vain hope that the spirits still live. I just dislike when interesting characters are just dead.

[late wasp]

I mean charcoal+jade

a new material, which is similar to the two mentioned. not one or the either, or both.
but a new material.

[tulip aspen]

as long as it's reasonable, im sure you could erect the death of the author lolol

a lot of my anecdotes i made sure was heard by everyone that ended up becoming viable theories, were just that: anecdotes; me filling in the holes, so I've cried "death to the author" in a way as well, I'll admit that

however
here's to hoping we're reasonable enough 😉 🥂

[frigid tinsel]

Jam cried death of the author while confronting the intro dilemma

[tulip aspen]

before they hit the earth, they are beings of pure light
as they (or soon after they) hit the earth, we know they attain physical forms, shells, containing their light

this is why i believe their form would be made of the earth they landed in, suddenly superheated, suddenly malleable, suddenly a physical "doll", animated and alive

clay

im all for the possibility of jade, but where would they attain those shells?

[late wasp]

personally i don't think that line of reasoning goes in line with how the world is supposed to work according at least to old concepts by zhao

and again, not "jade", but a "new material", can call it "jadecoal"

[tulip aspen]

ive never heard of the phrase "death of the author"

i assume it would be learned in deeper writing courses (tradesman/musician tears)

it's a strong statement for sure, powerful, forboding

when you cry it, you have my attention

but we have to be able to follow through with that confidence

it's not just memorizing these special sayings, because clearly it takes streetsmart to be bold enough to finish the delievery

[sterile blaze]

Man I gotta love this channel all the theories sometimes keep me up at night thinking and thinking

[silver cloud]

Here’s a Theory I have: the abyss runs are that of a even older civilization before Eden’s rule

[keen shore]

Death of the author is usually used when the author of something you like turns out to be a horrible person, I’m not really sure if it applies to confirmed canon

[tulip aspen]

ancestors (which is what we're currently talking about unless we're miscommunicating) are anomalies

there's the discussion about whether they were sent on purpose by the Light or fell down as an accident, but either way they don't belong to the lifeblood cycle of the Light, they are Special.

[frigid tinsel]

"death of the author" is usually invoked when 1) what Salem said or 2) the author makes a claim about their work the audience disagrees with, so the fans make their own spin (ex: fanfiction).

[tulip aspen]

okay thanks, cos i was gonna say lmao, it didnt sound the way they were implying it, it sounded as harsh as you defined

also @keen shore @compact shale

[tulip aspen]

||jk rowling moment||

[keen shore]

The second option listed here as it applies to sky would be something like “skykids have organs inside them” or something that just doesn’t make sense given current information in general, not really something as possible as ancestors being corporeal

[tulip aspen]

oh wow

commodore and guide's capes certainly do give off a vibe of some sort of historically regal upbringing 👀

[late wasp]

Rudi said they are just the people that live in GW, and they wanted to flesh out what their culture is like. Their design is based on vikings, not the warriors, but common norse people.

source: https://youtu.be/j65_plfuJho

[tulip aspen]

quite literally fitting the actual definition

ope

shouldn't have mentioned it

IM GONNA RANG ABOUT THE INTRO, GET DOWN

[keen shore]

I feel like this lore tidbit is still true jsut because of where all the creature skeletons are located, although it still is weird that no ancestor bones exist at all if they’re similarly biological beings, especially in areas like the tearful light miners cave. I usually just fall back on my idea that they just kinda disintegrate after death although the fact nothing else does is Odd

[late wasp]

they leave ball behind at least

[keen shore]

If you’re implying that the ball is something hard existing in ancestor bodies to begin with, and ancestors have hard outer shells… consider: maraca

[tulip aspen]

yea ancestors are definitely not the same as light creatures death wise

theres the game reasoning of keeping the pg and there's the reasoning ive had to explain before that while ancestors and skids are special, the natural lifeblood of the Light is the light creatures, flowing all across the universe

it's like harming nature in a mythological sense, it will leave a mark, an ugly one

[tulip aspen]

""my og intro analysis was controversial because i thought it was obvious it stated things clearly and everyone else just supposedly didnt pay as much attention

and then from there i made my assumptions and then put evidence on it, and that was how my research started as a platform

the og timeline made by my og intro study was:

"stars fall from giant sentient mass of light floating in space, land on world turning humanoid and gain shells from ground around them becoming Ancestors, Elders sent by Light to save ancestors, Ancestors refuse help, they build kingdom, wars happen, bad things happen, long time after skykids are sent by Light to save everyone"

it generally got debunked because someone had a massively convincing argument that "stars falling" referred to apocalypse that destroyed kingdom, and not light being knocked from Sky that eventually forms ancestors

but this launch stream thing is explicitly saying exACTly what my original assumption said

what do i do anymore

iirc ash telling me intro is perfect english and a straight message to those who have read the lore bible tired_face tired_face tiredface tiredface

guys, we take for granted SO dang much just how important that quote from them was

if we should be able to piece together the main secret via reading the intro, then through enough logic and common sense, we don't have to WAFO for ANYthing, we just have to actually put our heads together for once la sigh"

it's just beyond our grasp people

we have to try eventually, please"

[rustic heron]

Yo, that screenshot is exactly what I meant.

[frigid tinsel]

Jam looking at the intro(s):

[rustic heron]

Haha, Gandalf the Rave.

Reincarnation in Sky/Journey is more than a major theme; it's inherent to the cycle of beings in the universe.

[rustic heron]

Beings are born of stars, return to stars, and are reborn again into different forms. Hence why spirits don't die; they're stopped from undergoing the cycle, from returning and coming back. They were always spirits.

In a way, the were forced to be alive in one form permanently.

[half shadow]

honestly I think “spirits were united in the stars” could easily be a metaphorical quote, or an allegory. with the light of the stars the kingdom was united until the events leading to destruction

[red escarp]

i’d just like to say i love this thread/channel and i appreciate all u great minds piecing together the lore

[tulip aspen]

40% of all of Sky's lore, half of the lore bible, is summarized in the intro according to ash

it should be that easy

we need to do this
we need more ideas, from more smart people
i only have so many spontaneous anecdotes to concoct

[frigid tinsel]

the fact that some things may be allegorical is burning holes in my brain

[rustic heron]

"Great Minds". Flattering, but I was laughing at an RGB gif of Gandalf not more than 5 minutes ago.

[frigid tinsel]

we dont even know who's speaking in the Intro

[keen shore]

I do think a written transcript of the intro would help us go over it better but I do Not have the energy to do it

[hushed steeple]

The current intro? I can do that.

[tulip aspen]

its literally the same with dissecting the bible; how much is a message, and how much is history

i have such a love/hate relationship with the dissection, and i adore the challenges we as a people of lorechat take on

[frigid tinsel]

I just wrote out the intro for my skyfic

[rustic heron]

You are a scholar and a gentleman.

[hushed steeple]

Oh well.

[keen shore]

Fanfic comes in clutch yet AGAIN
now we just have to compile the past intros as well

[rustic heron]

You are a prince among spirits.

[red escarp]

all a part of the process imo lmaoo

[tulip aspen]

transcript?
as in a quotation of the Voice, or your own interpretation

also yeah there's no pressure, but thanks for caring

[frigid tinsel]

oh here's the text of the intro in text for accessibility

With the stars united, our light was infinite. And together we lived in harmony.
As spirits, we soon became many, creating our home here in the clouds.
But darkness came and the stars fell and with their light we faded away.
A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars.
psithurism

[keen shore]

Full quotation, although we can add annotation in comments or parenthesis if it’s On Google docs

Hey alasdair can you edit that intro text post above to include a really weird word so we can search that and find it in discord search easily THANK YOU

[half shadow]

Honestly, I don’t think Sky is a game where it’s necessary to have all of the answers. The general vibe of the whole game is a very spiritual, transcendent fantasy - which means allegories are very much present. Not everything is literal or even linear. Things that apply to the world of Sky clearly don’t correlate from our real world, for example; spirits being able to interact with physical objects. There’s also a hefty amount of decisions that while not possibly aligning with lore, was still included for gameplay reasons. The devs have also routinely come out and said that anything from concept art is no longer canon - it can be an inspiration for the current content in Sky, and still very fun to look at and theorize from, but we shouldn’t assume that all of the answers can be found there.

[tulip aspen]

2019 - With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell...Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds. If only they had listened... A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

"2021 - The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival...and your light. "With the stars united, our light was infinite...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell...and with their light we faded away. A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars." Draw near, so we may start you on the journey... At last, child...you are ready. Begin by answering the temple's call. --> Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed. --> Other Elders wait in distant temples to be awakened. Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light."

as per fruity's documentation

also here's why the Voice is the Light, enjoy me going insane if you click on this lolol
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EFART2JmUtzs0lOZklyP-dIKd8D8HNJ0mqPo2nhYxdQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[half shadow]

considering this is the text that is present in the game I think it’s safe to say that this is what’s considered canon now.

[keen shore]

Hasn’t it been mentioned that the overall message hasn’t been changed or retconned even through phrasing changes?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, Ash said that

[compact shale]

WHAT

[keen shore]

For voice I honestly feel it’s just Megabird going by the “everyone is part of Megabird” theory which would explain “we”, and process of elimination with the pronouns

[rustic heron]

"Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed."

This almost reads as though the development of technologies that allowed flight were celebrated and encouraged by the Elders and the Light. Flight is a very ingrained theme in Sky, almost akin to divinity, or a path to it.

[tulip aspen]

it was there the whole time xD

[frigid tinsel]

i think the "their light is lost" regards the fact that the Elders are locked in their pocket dimensions and haven't had light offerings in a while to keep them awake

[tulip aspen]

see, but everyone has such vastly different interpretations of it

yes, it's canon, whatever that means, cos we cant AGREE on what it means!!!!!

[half shadow]

“With the stars united, our light was infinite. And together we lived in harmony.” — > this could easily be an allegory for a more united, functioning Sky Kingdom of the past where the population was united and at peace.

[frigid tinsel]

the text is canon, what it means is up to debate

[keen shore]

The connected our realms line Confuses me because we know from season of flight that birds are usually used to do that via chimes, right?? It seems weird to pin that on spirits rather than them, especially if you consider constellation gates. Are those canon because of that line?

[half shadow]

yeah, and I think that’s what’s honestly great about Sky. it can all mean something different to everybody, and i think that’s part of the entire theme of the game in a way

[tulip aspen]

but according to ash it has ONE meaning -_-

there's a definitive answer there, and we'll never know

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, I think it's got more to do with ascending, especially the "usher them skyward" part. Also, our wing is quite literally made of light, so I don't believe it's was made by advancements in technology; rather, chosen few had the ability to sprout/weild wings, giving them a boost while other spirits had to rely on boats and such as means of getting around.

[frigid tinsel]

i remembered yall talking about Gloating Narcissist having a realistic face and I didn't believe it but I'm in Starlight Desert so decided to check and omg ew they have a nose

[rustic heron]

It could also mean a notion of attachment interrupting a cycle of ascending to the stars and being reborn again.

What's interesting is that Eden, and the King, are the figure that caused the loss of the light.

What's more interesting is that Eden is centralized around a giant light pillar. Perhaps that losing of light has to do with it being twisted into other purposes, more selfish and devious.

[keen shore]

I think we can find the intended meaning if we back everything up with reliable evidence and explanations and whatnot. We’ll probably be able to find supporting bits just scattered around the game, or, if that fails, in concept art/q&a stuff

[rustic heron]

Right. Spirits can't fly naturally, so building boats and technologies like that wasn't just a form of progress; it had deep spiritual meaning because Flight is a path to the stars, to the light, and consequently to divinity and rebirth.

[tulip aspen]

and people asserting their ideas are so often a hit or a miss, possibly distracting/diverting our attention from the real meaning

it's so extraordinarily uncandid, i hate the intro and talking about it

[frigid tinsel]

TGC: we wanted Sky to be up to players' interpretation.
TGC: there's ONE meaning to the intro, gg

[rustic heron]

Maybe the meaning is the friends we made along the way.

[tulip aspen]

exactly!
aaaaaaaaaaa

TGC: there's ONE meaning to the intro, gg
i mean, they only had to admit that cos i forced it out of them after vela told us about the possibility alasdair

[hushed steeple]

Hahaha funny

[keen shore]

As long as we take it slow and just discuss everything we should be good

[rustic heron]

The worst part is that it's actually feasible as a meaning because Sky is centralized around a mechanic of making friends. Uniting with other sky kids is akin to uniting the light, and thereby is an act of divinity.

DEEPEST LORE.

[keen shore]

You could take screenshots of those conversation out of context and say it’s people arguing over the meaning of the Bible and no one would be able to tell

[frigid tinsel]

legit me arguing with fellow Christians before I lost faith

[half shadow]

No, I think what Ash meant is that there is a single underlying story being told here, even with the changes to the wording. The story is a vague one, but it’s still the one thing that I think everybody can agree on when it comes to Sky Lore, and that is:

Once upon a time, there was a kingdom that lived in harmony. Spirits and Elders ruled over the land until an unspecified darkness, implied to be caused in some way by the denizens of the Kingdom, destroyed everything. After an unspecified amount of time, the Skykids are created from the Light and sent to the ruins of the Kingdom to repair and vanquish the remaining Darkness, as well as allow the spirits of the past ascend.

It is one story, even if it’s being told in different wording, and even if the order of events sounds different.

[rustic heron]

Sky is just a giant Jes us allegory. Lore's over boys, we gottem.

[half shadow]

considering the heavily Bhuddist vibes i find that unlikely

[hushed steeple]

Though. I mean. The story of the game has stayed basically the same since launch.....

But what about before launch?

Yeah theres too much rebirth in this soup to be based on one religion alone :/

[keen shore]

Lorechat rn

[compact shale]

What was there the whole time?

[frigid tinsel]

you could make a religion out of this

[half shadow]

yeah, that’s what I’m saying. the core story hasn’t changed even with the rewrites of the intro; we’re just being told it in different words. and while the core story isn’t a very clearcut one can still very easily understand it just by playing through the game

[rustic heron]

They already did. It's called Scientology.

[frigid tinsel]

i would say every religion but

[hushed steeple]

Thats basically what Ash said, yeppy.

ABOUT THE STORY NOT ABOUT THE RELIGIONSSNA

[compact shale]

Guys, don't go around making cu u u u u u uu you know what I mean.

[hushed steeple]

I DO think the story was changed BEFORE launch though.

[wise rampart]

read the original concepts

[half shadow]

oh yeah absolutely, pre-launch the entire game was different and more alike the concepts

[wise rampart]

the story of the prince and the king is quite interesting

[hushed steeple]

Yes! This is the core story.
The thing is, we want more. There's so much detail and care put into this that the lore delves deeper and more complex and it feels like waste not to try and understand it more.

[rustic heron]

It's funny how the lore is this rabbit hole of religious analogues and concepts of death and rebirth being commonplace, but the gameplay is "heehee hoohoo cr for funny mask and pants".

[frigid tinsel]

just wish they'd actually tell us

[hushed steeple]

I mean in light awaits. Not just the concept timeline. :/

So we can consider the old intro canon but not the find your family or the living in harmony or my dear sweet tutorial bird

[rustic heron]

BRING BACK THE TUTORIAL BIRD TGC.

[frigid tinsel]

tutorial bird?

[hushed steeple]

Yes! Like: "there's a definite story out there. We're not making it up as we go." Or even just lore. Lore is everything to a archivist.

[rustic heron]

The beta for sky had a cute bird that was your guide in the beta equivalent of isle of dawn. It showed you the ropes, and was adorable.

[hushed steeple]

Head bird just isnt the same

[frigid tinsel]

in the last livestream, they did imply that they were making it up as they go but there is at least a core story, said core story is rather ambiguous though

[compact shale]

They implied that? How?

[rustic heron]

Confirmed that TGC is using the lore channel for the story. We're the one writing the story to Sky.

[hushed steeple]

I don't watch the livestreams. Too busy for that.

[half shadow]

that’s perfectly understandable, I know I’m eager for more lore to be released, but I think that the slow trickle of world building is perfect for what the vibe of Sky is right now.

and I’d also argue that they HAVE outright stated there is a definite story - like Ash said, a lot of the story is told in the intro. there is a singular core narrative that we keep returning to while the various Seasons of Sky are filling in the worldbuilding of the universe. It’s a style of storytelling that both invites a lot of intrigue and mystery but at the same time is very simple

[frigid tinsel]

to me, this sounds like they're going "here's the Sky world, make something up to go with it"

[hushed steeple]

Its kinda basic though no lie :/

[rustic heron]

Yeah, I was rewatching some Dark Souls lore videos, and the lore people there go hard.

[frigid tinsel]

cries in Minecraft lore

[compact shale]

Hmmmmm mmmm hmmm hnmmm okay okay, hm.

[rustic heron]

And don't get me started on the Kingdom Hearts lore.

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat lore: The prince gave elements to the elders who are all lost in some way and he built a false body and became corrupt and used darkstone and got smashed to pieces and rebirthed and megabird blessed the land withskykids to save spirits and take over and reunite the light through hope and friendship.

Canon lore: the stars fell

[keen shore]

Back to this (sorry for tag), who does everyone think is speaking and why?

[frigid tinsel]

someone post one of those "sky gameplay vs sky lore" memes

[compact shale]

the stars fell, now clean up the ancestral mess

[rustic heron]

Gotchu fam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0D-7-p8yBc

[hushed steeple]

Pointer because “we as spirits” and hes in isle, and you keep getting tutorial bubbles in prairie, and hes also there.

[half shadow]

Basic story: Kingdom fell. Darkness evil. Return Light to Kingdom.

the seasons are then used to fill up the world in small doses. in Flight we learned how the Ancestors traveled and cared for creatures, for one. dreams was a small story about a village that existed and gave us a vague understanding of the importance of the Colosseum.

[frigid tinsel]

why is it always the same song jsldfncsdjkz
edit: found another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McH5FXAkG3k

[hushed steeple]

Enchantment told us of an ark(or possibly arks) that roamed the world and transported goods.

[keen shore]

The “spirits once connected our realms” line seems a bit weird though for a spirit to say, wouldn’t they just say us?? It sounds like they’re talking about something they’re not

[rustic heron]

The mural of Eden in the Vault Cutscene heavily implies a king-like figure, equivalent to an elder, consumed a ball of some sort. What this ball is is up to interpretation, but it's likely representative of some body of light.

Now, Considering how dark Eden is, perhaps he took the source of light and tried to consume it all.

[half shadow]

We’re fed pieces of what culture existed in the Sky Kingdom before the darkness via the seasons and honestly I don’t think that necessarily counts as “making up the story as they go along,” considering that the Hard Canon Lore remains the same, it’s just that when creating these contained narratives there is a TON of creative freedom

[hushed steeple]

I would think something thats not a spirit saying “we as spirits” and “we soon became many and made our home here in the clouds” is a lot weirder. Maybe “spirits” is just how they say “people” rather then considering it their species name

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, i'm a writer and sometimes while writing i come up with things as come along, different is my stuff is unpublished

[compact shale]

Wait, didn't Jam make a document deducing who is talking in the Intro?

||Conclusion: It's Megabird||

[half shadow]

oh yeah dw i am heavily into the King/Prince lore and consider it canon to a degree but i just didn’t include it because it hasn’t been outright spoken of yet. I truly do think that one day we will get to see more though

[tulip aspen]

hmm some people think it was ancestors, some people think it was the elders, some people think its isle elder, some think it's the candlemaker, some people think its the skykids in eden, some think it's the king

ive listed all the t h e o r i e s ive heard from most logical to least

the most memorable discussions/debates ive had about it were with i believe kami, butter, and vela, over the first two candidates in that list

[hushed steeple]

Well I need a convincing explanation cause Im still dedicated to saying its pointer :/

[keen shore]

I do think so but people seem to keep implying there are alternate ideas so I’m trying to find them out :3c

[frigid tinsel]

they linked it earlier: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[half shadow]

i think the most prevailing theory is that it’s simply the Light/Megabird, who is the implied “great divine” of the Sky Universe

[keen shore]

This is my concept as well, especially because the light isn’t really a separate entity but is kind of just, everything, which would explain the we

[tulip aspen]

indeed
i still think it's just a dumb wording by the devs

[frigid tinsel]

someone have my meme retort? it's not on my laptop and i'm playing Sky on my phone

[compact shale]

the intro was written on the verge of sleeping for 78 hours straight. /j

[rustic heron]

Hinduism makes heavy use of a centralized God-like figure that encompasses all of reality, and that beings in the world are simply deluded into thinking they are separate from the whole.

Perhaps the Megabird is the Sky equivalent to Bhrama?

[frigid tinsel]

pantheism intensifies

[hushed steeple]

I think it was megabird back when we had darkness blinds so I cast them away and if only they had listened but Now I think If I wanted to imply it was a spirit and I was a dev, I would say “we as spirits” and explain how spirits feel about your arrival. As only spirits can.

[half shadow]

I think that the Megabird and Light might be one in the same to a degree. Megabird is made of Light, Megabird came from the Light, Megabird creates the Light. All can be true, as there’s not really such things as strictly defined lines (most of the times) when it comes to spirituality

[hushed steeple]

How do you spoiler something?
I forgot

[keen shore]

If pantheism is still true to lore than the entire harming creatures and the environment was basically just one massive being harming itself, which,,, explains why everything got weird

[compact shale]

Yeah, trippy

I'm pretty sure there's a story called "The Egg" that sort of mentions this idea

edit: The egg in question: https://the-resolve.com/the-egg-written-by-andy-weir/

[tulip aspen]

😃

[hushed steeple]

|| strait brackets on both sides

[keen shore]

I LOVE THE EGG it freaks me out so much

[rustic heron]

See, that's the curious thing. Even deities think they are separte from the whole, but in reality everything is Bhrama, or God.

In the same way, the Megabird doesn't see itself as separate from the sky kids, elders, or spirits. All have, were, and will be the Megabird, but are deluded into thinking they are separate.

That's why we're created as an avatar of the Megabird. We are the physical manifestation of the Megabird, much like how the King once was. Sky represents in some ways an allegory of an internal struggle of self, and several of the realms can be interpreted as stages of this struggle, much like they were in Journey.

[frigid tinsel]

fine i'll do it myself

[hushed steeple]

I think they made it clearer whos talking and everyone else is a dooty head! >:)

I hope no one thinks this is genuine.

[compact shale]

when thoust insults someone else, thoust are ultimately insulting thyself /j

[rustic heron]

Thank you.

[tulip aspen]

@frigid tinsel

ope sorry im slow 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[rustic heron]

Acktually, that's not even canon, you phillistine /s.

[compact shale]

We're fireproof so being surrounded by water is Sky's "this is fine" meme

[hushed steeple]

Spoken like a real dooty head!

I need to find more juvenile insults....

[half shadow]

you nee to have two brackets , like ||this and with no spaces

[hushed steeple]

Ahh

[compact shale]

potato (attach any adjectives you want)

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have the photo of eden oob ||with the elders||

[rustic heron]

You mean the vault oob?

[hushed steeple]

Yes that one Jam thank you

[hushed steeple]

I got more too if you need em

O wait the eden one oof

I got that too

[tulip aspen]

how do you even get there

[keen shore]

Why are there no elders of an average height, they’re either really short compared to everyone else or unreasonably tall

[half shadow]

I think they’re just big for the Drama

[hushed steeple]

Also thank you for that one too.

[frigid tinsel]

I've talked about it before but. I'm too tired to fetch the link but basically I think of Megabird as a collectivist hivemind composed of all the beings of Sky. entities who descend to the world are temporarily detached from Megabird but ascending reunites them with Megabird, reuniting with the collective of all the other entities and lives lived in the Sky world. as Megabird, they think and act as one, taking into account all the experiences of all the ascended individuals

[rustic heron]

Wait, WHAT. Is this a real oob?

[hushed steeple]

Your most favorite tactic >:)

[tulip aspen]

yep, i have your quote in my doc about the Light
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frigid tinsel]

you have my pantheism vs panentheism distinction but not the sleep-deprived, late night Sky spirituality talk we had that one time

[hushed steeple]

Its real, but its from light awaits, before eden was planned out, one of the oobs had elders getting tossed like salad. they didnt actually move though

[compact shale]

It's a good thing Sky probably DOESN'T actually have sizable mobs of skykids who are trying to figure out the history of the world and the true nature of their purpose

imagine the messed-up religions that would come from that

edit: WE DIDN'T MAKE THE PROPHECY RELIGION WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT KAMI

[keen shore]

Misread as panemtheism. Momentarily questioned why we were worshipping bread, then realized that bread is absolutely worth worshipping

[frigid tinsel]

found it: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
basically: "you die, ascend, and become one with god"

[tulip aspen]

ohhhhh the one about our two different religions?

yes, i still need to add that to the doc
here i should have quotes from it too

[hushed steeple]

Even though it was from the previous version of the game, I would like to consider it Canon in some way or form.

Like, maybe not this exact scene but a confrontation between Prince and the elders. Which then sealed each elder in each realm, making them easier to take care of.

[keen shore]

Every time we go to orbit and try to become one with god the light yells at us and punts us back to earth. Everyone else is allowed to, jsut not us

[hushed steeple]

I cant handle tossed elders and like to think eden finished king off. glad its gone

[compact shale]

We have not finished our job yet. Someday we will retire into the wings of God.

[tulip aspen]

here's the summary of both of our religions

"this sounded wholesome at first, but now im projecting myself into one of the ancestors, and realizing

this is as if God only lets us be born so he can see the knowledge and experience being human would give

kinda grim

truly like a puppet

okay people, we've got two religions to choose from in Sky

fruity, which one would you want to believe?
which one would be the better of two kinda somber realities

returning to the perfect and controlled dance of Light forever and never deviating from that again after you and the others made your mistake

being a puppet for some distant god who will use you as some sort of inlet, having your knowledge and life experiences be taken from you to be viewed like tv shows, when you die

they both suck ngl"

[frigid tinsel]

don't get me started on the water in Orbit: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

But the vault elder said it’s my turn to become one with god!!! /j

[compact shale]

Good thing loreseekers aren't canon

edit: it's just my assumption, I don't actually know if they are

[frigid tinsel]

that's why I distinguished between collectivist vs conformist hiveminds. conformist hivemind means you lose yourself to a single-thinking god. collectivist means god is basically parliament, a council of individuals thinking together, deciding together, acting in unity.

[hushed steeple]

Or you could be like prince and fight back, but that why we're here in the first place.

[rustic heron]

I think this isn't the case. It's more like the nature of reality is ever changing, and that it is out of God/The Light's hands for things to shift. For beings to fall into the delusion of being separate. Rebirth must exist, and beings must be born. It is fundamental to the nature of the Sky universe.

The problem is that this process is halted by the King, and so the Megabird is waiting for reality to once again do as it has, and always will, do: return to the whole and then depart from it again.

[keen shore]

Stuff like this is why it’s really hard to make benevolent all powerful sentient gods in fantasy. No matter what you do, it never seems like they’d actually be good deities to follow

[tulip aspen]

is this still within your conception of them being spirits while building and living in the kingdom? 👀

[keen shore]

I need to sleep soon, sorry. It’s almost 1AM here

[hushed steeple]

The words are starting to kinda blend. I outta go to bed too.

Personally, I like the thought that the megabird is benevolent but can't directly intervene, so she(they?) Send prophets(sky kids) armed with light to do the work that need's to be done.

[frigid tinsel]

i passed out after this

[hushed steeple]

Really? It's 2:10 am where I am.

[rustic heron]

Yup. Reality is ever shifting, and spirits enter and exit the realm of Sky constantly. The fact a kingdom is built is simply another facet of an infinite number of possible realities that can, and eventually will, occur in the unending cycle.

[hushed steeple]

Night yall

Its almost 12, not so bad in comparison

[compact shale]

If the souls of spirits were ever to depart from the whole again, would they depart as skykids?

[keen shore]

I haven’t yet mastered the art of staying up THAT late

[frigid tinsel]

EST gang ✊

[hushed steeple]

Oh child, you have no idea.

[frigid tinsel]

i've had insomnia episodes where I didn't sleep for 48 hours

[rustic heron]

Sure. Maybe in one iteration, they were the ancestors in Journey. In another, they could be something else. It's just another facet of the same reality.

[keen shore]

I sleep for like 12-16 hours at a time so staying up past 1 is usually not an option

[compact shale]

TWELVE?! I DON'T THINK THAT'S MEDICALLY ACCEPTED FOR SOMEONE WHO'S OLD ENOUGH FOR DISCORD

[frigid tinsel]

starting to think we're the same person

[fervent dome]

|| sky sleep lore real ||

[frigid tinsel]

occassionally skybot hops in telling us it's time to sneep snorp

[hushed steeple]

I have the will to sleep 12 hours straight but it's still the school year so no.

[tulip aspen]

well im wording it awfully

when you think about it, it's purely subjective yet likely subjectively ill just because "forever" just sounds so.... caged

it sounds like the loss of morals, of importance, of meaning

everything could be contained within forever, and nothing is certain within forever

so to talk about a dance of energy and mass that remains the same, forever, seems awful, to us as finite beings

but it's something only someone who learns to be a part of that forever, could understand

someone who has already transcended death
someone who is tired, and wants to rest, and be in the arms of the Others

that's why i think, from our human perspective, my take on the Light is so grueling, but from the perspective of beings who went through war and pain and suffering and complex emotion when they were supposed to be drops of Light in an endless sea, i think

i think they'd want to rest

[keen shore]

Well it is a chronic illness thing, so you’re not wrong

[frigid tinsel]

we are the same person

[compact shale]

Blue and Orange Morality is a general term for a type of morality/moral system that is so alien to humans that we can't peg the user of that morality as "good" or "evil".

[tulip aspen]

there we go then.

[keen shore]

Can’t believe I have a clone
Okay passing out time

[rustic heron]

You can take it even further than that. There is no Light. There is no God. There is only the delusion of existence, assemblages of particles so minute as to be imperceptible.

Reality is just the delusion of continuity, and even the Light is deluded. Truth is the absence of being, that there was never any self to adhere to, only the delusion of continuance due to incomprehensibility of the minutia of instances of matter and time.

[frigid tinsel]

chill Nietzsche

[compact shale]

How to lose your mind in 3 minutes

[tulip aspen]

this was jenova chans plan all along, i knew it

[hushed steeple]

I like the thought of God. A being watching over and always looking for what's best for you, even if they don't fit in this realm. It's....comforting.

[rustic heron]

Funny, but the critical difference is that nihilism believes there is no purpose. This is different in that the absence of being **is **the goal.

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat turned into philosophy

[rustic heron]

It's comforting, but if there is no self, there is no need for comfort or discomfort. You wouldn't need God because there is no you. Nothing needs no comforting.

[hushed steeple]

Are we still talking about sky?

[compact shale]

yes but it is more philosophical insanity than Sky.

[fervent dome]

pov: everyone is just light that one day became light but with emotion and now have the urge to become just some pool of light again

[tulip aspen]

optimistic nihilism /j
||seriously tho yall be optimistically nihilistic it's very healthy||

[frigid tinsel]

today in lore chat: god, existence, nihilism

[rustic heron]

This is the core of Buddhism.

[compact shale]

Maybe... this is all that Sky really is... if Megabird somehow loses command of us.

[tulip aspen]

LMAOOOO FRRR

[rustic heron]

PIN THIS.

[hushed steeple]

Hopeful nihilism.

https://youtu.be/MBRqu0YOH14

[frigid tinsel]

yes it's kurzegast

[hushed steeple]

I know right?
Love their loneliness video.

[tulip aspen]

wha

also YES YES YES YES YES KURZ WE HAVE INTELLECTUALS HERE WHOOOOOOO

[rustic heron]

Sky is just a University-level course in metaphysics.

[frigid tinsel]

there is the theory (in fact I think you mentioned part of it) that Megabird doesn't have an infinite amount of stars, so if skykids wait it out and Megabird keeps using those stars to make newborn skykids, eventually They'll run out of stars and cease to exist. so ultimately skykids kill god and we'd be free of Their demands

[rustic heron]

Sky is basically God of War.

[tulip aspen]

sky in a nutshell be like
"what would happen if we were to explode the eden crystal inside the water trial"

[compact shale]

Megabird gave us a clear purpose when we fell, so our lives have a purpose attached to them. If Megabird were ever to lose command of us, by being extremely dispersed into the lower levels, or by some other method, that purpose might be detached from us.

@frigid tinsel Pretty sure I recovered that from the theory void.

[hushed steeple]

I think megabird is like Aurileon Sol, they can create stars whenever, but the stars they create is a part of themselves.
This would also explain why the megabird is so weak/has less influence since a lot of light was wiped out in the fall.

Yes, I also follow lol lore.

[rustic heron]

This is what delusion would be. The further one drifts into the material world, the more attachment one has to it. Eventually, all notion of the truth is lost in the myriad of material pleasures and its absence causing suffering.

[frigid tinsel]

aka how the kingdom prob led to its own downfall

[tulip aspen]

hmm i mean i dont think we could live without the light, if the clouds didn't have light inside them and the light creatures didn't exist

so we'd all just die out, and that's technically the ending of Sky

[rustic heron]

The kingdom fell because the spirits invented cellphones with Sky installed on them.

[compact shale]

Hmmm. I am morbidly curious as to what the cutscene of Sky's End of Service would be. Even before you mentioned this.

[tulip aspen]

prolly a good ending, or not even really connected to story at all la sigh

[half shadow]

it was that damn 5g 😔

[fervent dome]

unrelated sorta bus yes !!! would it show the kingdom absorbed by light or becoming nothing but a void? (I am saving season spells for that day)

[hushed steeple]

Darkness surrounds the last candle, as Resh's evil laugh can be heard from the distance, kills and crabs crowding in to eat the last flame.

[rustic heron]

I'll admit, I feel like my pfp is out of place. All of you have these pretty pictures as pfp, and I got this face like 😏 .

[half shadow]

followed by a 16 minute king crab rave

[fervent dome]

bowser death screen and laugh

[compact shale]

A shot of you in the middle of a group of all the spirits you've ascended... that then explodes into a myriad of stars as you bow down to Megabird

don't ask why

[tulip aspen]

omg it's crazy how we got here
we got here from me changing the subject to how we'll never understand the intro when the intro apparently summarizes a large percent of the lore bible

and then we ended up talking about our willingness to obey a divine mass that we were a part of

[rustic heron]

TGC chooses one sky kid and promotes them to be the King. You then steal the light from all the other skykids. The game then crashes.

[fervent dome]

resh would not be able to be saved (because duh) so he might die at the end of the game || and that would kinda sad considering I lob resh ||

[compact shale]

The lore bible was inside you all along! /hj

[rustic heron]

The lore bible was the friends we made along the way. This joke will never get old.

[hushed steeple]

Hi, guess who's back again to change your view on absolutely everything.

[frigid tinsel]

i mean it actually likely was the ancestors being too reliant on creating power diamonds for technology, detaching themselves from the Light of Megabird to make their own light which was impure cos it required grinding up light creatures and caused darkness pollution during the production process, leading to a civil war between ancestors (and Elders) who were affected by said pollution, destroying themselves with Eden imploding as the final nail in the coffin because of how they corrupted the once-holy site with power diamond production and prob some experiments led by the king.

but yea it was cellphones

[fervent dome]

sky meaning is the golden girls cannon

[rustic heron]

We were neutering the Megabird from a deific construct to a delusion in a sea of delusions. If you can do better than that, I'm game.

[tulip aspen]

Lol you sound like me in general when i first started becoming more active in lorechat

[rustic heron]

The Boomers were right this entire time. Damn skykids always on their cellphones. Read a light jar, dammit!

[tulip aspen]

well, you were, anyhow

[fervent dome]

alright that is enough lore for me tonite, thank you sky lore chat, alas I gtg before I have a existential crisis about sky children of the light 😎

[compact shale]

The curse of lorechat is to have existential nightmares. /hj

[tulip aspen]

glad you enjoyed the show fam!

[frigid tinsel]

lore chat is either shootposting, screeching over anatomy, scratching their heads at crumbs and beans, or ascending.

[rustic heron]

Porque no los todos?

[frigid tinsel]

yes sometimes all at the same time

[rustic heron]

It's funny. This is my first day on the lore channel.

[hushed steeple]

I just remembered a game I once got really deep into lore wise! Have any of you heard of risk of rain 2?

The lore is kinda similar to sky, I really liked the way we received it and how you had to piece it together.

[hushed steeple]

I prefer sky jelly fish with my PB & J. Manta are being held up by string and the king is holding said string, which means we can cut those strings to free the manta and break the system. Sky doesn't exist, we're just hallucinating while staring at a blank screen. Sky children are pieces of the mega bird that ate too many dark mushrooms and are now hallucinating the pretty views because, really, everything looks like wasteland. The starlight desert is an asylum (actual theory). A sky kids life is simply to die over and over and over and over and over again and again, unable to break this tortuous cycle till the end of time which will never come because everything is a hallucination. The king has a memory manta that acts like a discord bot and will ban anyone it wants to. And don't make me go insane again.

[rustic heron]

Artisanal sky jelly fish with cashew butter, you heathen. But other than that, spot on.

[hushed steeple]

Did I mention that I have infinite bread?

[hushed steeple]

BREAD OmgHfbxhNgzbbdjGGjdk

Anything can be jelly if you smush it enough.

[rustic heron]

Doesn't matter if it isn't locally source gluten-free wheat bread. But if you had an inifinite amount of that, you're basically the Godhead of Sky. Like that's possible.

[frigid tinsel]

I just realized Jam’s pfp is a tuxedo dude playing a tuba and not a parrot

[hushed steeple]

No....don't say that...

[frigid tinsel]

Something something manta factory

[compact shale]

bow down to sentient tuba-playing tux

[tulip aspen]

i feel honored to be branded "tuxedo dude"

but yes its a common mistake

||im never changing it coz i really like that photo and that night

also im lazy

theres that||

[frigid tinsel]

People think my pfp is rotting chicken, I get the pain

[hushed steeple]

Magic carpet you got competition!

[hushed steeple]

I have infinite bread of every type, unfortunately I can't express that very well with emojis but I can show you a taste of what there is.
(And I especially have the locally sourced gluten-free wheat bread)
🥨 🫓 🍞 🥖 🥯 🥐

[compact shale]

Okay... what IS it, tho?

[tulip aspen]

it looks like a brian

||with lettuce on it||

[frigid tinsel]

A brain made out of Hershey kisses wrappers aluminum foil stabbed with a mechanical pencil and held up against a monitor in a dark room.

[rustic heron]

Hey everyone, it's canon that MoonPetal is actually The Light. Ladies and Gentleman, we gottem.

[hushed steeple]

How did nobody notice that, do I just have magical enhanced eyes or something?

[compact shale]

aluminum foil isn't green...?

[rustic heron]

Not with that attitude it isn't.

[frigid tinsel]

They were Christmas themed Hershey Kisses wrappers — silver, red, and green

[compact shale]

Ah, the things you do for school...

[frigid tinsel]

Didn’t make it for school, I did paint a replica I made for school though

[night pecan]

hey did the eden elder die?

[hushed steeple]

No....

[hushed steeple]

One reason I have this power is because I'm aroace, another reason is that I could possibly be the light, I wouldn't know, I haven't found my old murals yet from that olden time era where I could actually remember that I was the light.........

.........wait, what

[compact shale]

They kind of exist.

[frigid tinsel]

Probably

[rustic heron]

POV: You are the Eden Elder reading lore chat.

[night pecan]

is he like double dead (cause hes a spirit?? kinda)
or is he just vibing somewhere

[tulip aspen]

seeing people say "The Light" instead of "Megabird"

[hushed steeple]

I should probably know this but what does aroace mean?

[frigid tinsel]

Aromantic asexual

[compact shale]

Why is the friend constellation called "The Light" but it also looks like a symbol associated with King?

ARE WE THE KING AND MEGABIRD AT THE SAME TIME???? /hj

[hushed steeple]

I'll be back in a second I just gotta see the latest news and what not

And while I'm gone.....

.........don't go down the multi level basement dungeon..........

Aroace is the LGBT thing when you have no attractions to anyone

[rustic heron]

Make it a triple dead, with a side of fries please.

If you're asking me, I don't think Spirits follow the same conventions of death and life we do. They exist in an ambivalent state of dying and being reborn constantly.

[hushed steeple]

He vibing in my spirit. I absorbed him into me once I saw how adorable he was.

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine Eden Elder / the king was right beside the red diamond when it exploded so theyre very very dead

[compact shale]

WHAT THE ACTUAL HONK IS THE MULTI LEVEL BASEMENT DUNGEON

[rustic heron]

It's where the Sky lore is kept.

[hushed steeple]

You won't ever know till I release my episodic series.

[frigid tinsel]

The backrooms

[compact shale]

oh, those yellow rooms of depression and AAAAAAAAA

[hushed steeple]

I mean, do you really believe mega bird is the only one?
And that JAR, did you think it was just a little gag or something?
Things might be cleared up eventually.

[compact shale]

WHAT JAR?? huh?? EH??

[hushed steeple]

Imma just say that I said basement and not infinite other dimensional office space and co.

[hushed steeple]

Did I forget to mention it in my summary in the other channel?
Huh, well it gives directions, per say.

[rustic heron]

Please do. You lost me at basement.

[compact shale]

Good thing there isn't anything in Sky that makes you bleed out of every orifice.

[hushed steeple]

Good

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are technically bleeding light out their faces all the time

[rustic heron]

Every sky kid you light up in Eden is bleeding out of every orifice before they ascend.

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t get me started on skid anatomy and physiology, I need to go to bed

[compact shale]

Okay, okay.

Good thing Treasure Reef doesn't make you bleed out of every orifice.

[rustic heron]

This is like a personal hell. I need the lore. Denying someone lore in the lore channel is in violation of several hundred galactic federation laws.

[hushed steeple]

I've given lore, what more do you ask for.
Well I did forget to mention that one day any of you could open the front door of your house or bed room and see the basement dungeon staring back at you, and then a while later it'll be gone.

[frigid tinsel]

If skykids could just cover the hole in their chest with their hand, they would be able to traverse underwater as long as they wanted, no breathing required

[hushed steeple]

Good luck getting a sky kid to grow a third arm.

[compact shale]

Okay, I think we bleed out of every orifice more than I think.

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t need a third arm, they have two right there, they could just plop one hand over their chest hole, all good.

I hate the sound of “chest hole.”

[hushed steeple]

Tell me, are you able to swim with just one arm?

[compact shale]

if you're desperate

[rustic heron]

I'll do you one worse: Abdominal Orifice.

[frigid tinsel]

They have capes, use that to swim or walk on the sea floor

[rustic heron]

Snakes have zero arms, and they can swim. Checkmate.

[frigid tinsel]

See that sounds technical to me so it doesn’t sound wrong

I could’ve been scientist

[rustic heron]

Okay, pec puncture.

[hushed steeple]

Tell me, can children swim with one arm or move their capes like a manta and swim.
Also snakes don't have any limbs like arms or legs, meaning that an unused arm won't throw them off balance.

[rustic heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf76AOvrjqk Double check mate.

[frigid tinsel]

Me who knows way too many ways the human body can get injured:

I could’ve been a doctor

[tulip aspen]

w h a t

[tulip aspen]

i uh
i er
uhm

[hushed steeple]

Wait, my message didn't go through, was it deleted?

[rustic heron]

Sky kids have a chest hole. Hollows have a chest hole. Sky kids are hollows confirmed.

Don't give up, skeleton.

[frigid tinsel]

Skybot said chat was getting too cursed

[hushed steeple]

I was Saying something more along the lines of "my brain sometimes hates me" except a lot more explained and stuff.

[frigid tinsel]

Anyways imma actually go to bed this time. Goodnight lorechat, I’ll see you all in therapy

[tulip aspen]

but you said
you said
abdominal

||also hey im slender but im not a skeleton ||

[hushed steeple]

I was going to say something like "you know that won't happen" all with out seriousness, but then you brought up therapy and just, wow, well if that doesn't completely change a situation then I don't know what will.

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t take it too hard

[tulip aspen]

it was a really great day today in lorechat, i was so happy to see all the new faces, and so glad to see the discussion moving in amazing ways

i love yall so much

[hushed steeple]

It almost felt like personal or something, like, I felt that a bit.

[hushed steeple]

Just-just go to sleep.

[rustic heron]

The real lore is the normalization of psychological therapy in mainstream medicine and in health insurance system.

[frigid tinsel]

I was quoting Spongebob. Yes, I go to therapy. No, it’s not cos of lorechat

[rustic heron]

Damn. Gotta try harder. I MEAN that's great :).

[hushed steeple]

That got brought up so suddenly it almost caused me PTSD that I don't even have yet........
America if you're wondering.

[rustic heron]

You're in good company.

[tulip aspen]

i take it personally that we aren't the reason you go to therapy, we will see it happen /J

[hushed steeple]

JUST SLEEP!!!

[rustic heron]

You gotta use reverse psychology. Ahem Fine, don't sleep.

[tulip aspen]

even so, i counsel online and europeans are just :D
they may have it free, but far too many countries are just "here take these pills" or "into the box you go! :D"

so idk

[hushed steeple]

We all know that won't work on people who dive deep into the almost non-existent lore of a game aimed at 9+.

[frigid tinsel]

All our skykids need therapy but they don’t even have parents

[hushed steeple]

FROGGING SLEEP BEFORE I SHOVE MELATONIN DOWN YOUR FOOD TUBE!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

Melatonin doesn’t even work on me anymore, I take some heavy-duty drugs

[rustic heron]

And I took that personally.

[hushed steeple]

Did..........I..............stutter.............

[tulip aspen]

hey don't try to dodge censor pls i prefer to only see miri (for modding reasons) only once a month

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t need you harping on me, I’m gonna pass out any minute

[rustic heron]

If you don't sleep, I'll trivialize all the lorebuilding in this channel with "I don't think it's that deep".

[frigid tinsel]

Y’all when I say heavy duty I mean heavy duty

[hushed steeple]

Y'know I think that at this point (since you won't sleep) sky kids are actually just dust that we think is alive but really isn't.
I won't deny this until you leave the sky discord channel, or at the very least the lore chat.

[pastel brook]

I see you, @hushed steeple, you should probably sleep, brah

[frigid tinsel]

[hushed steeple]

I'M NOT THE ONE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO SLEEP HERE!!!!!! THJS IS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS!!!!!!! please, stay out sky bot before I LAZER BKAST YOU TO THE MOON!!!!!!!

[rustic heron]

Yeah, to be fair I think the sky is supposed to be a fun game about lighting candles. I don't really buy all this stuff about birds and kings.

[tulip aspen]

oh how the turns have tables

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

[hushed steeple]

Pretty sure crabs are just mean and all the nice crabs are a glitch.

[rustic heron]

Like, what even is a megabird? Sounds like a special I'd order at KFC, hahaha.

[hushed steeple]

Ancestors? Weird, they never existed, only spirits that like to fly around as sparks.

Oh- he's off now.
Or they, I don't have their pro nouns yet

[rustic heron]

Krills aren't corrupted. They're a separate species of animal.

Sky kids are just lost kids who ran away from home.

Eden is just a volcano some dummy built a castle on top of.

[hushed steeple]

All manta are the same, they don't have any variation

(threads of sky lore break as we unravel all the work that has been done and the efforts put forward to discovering the truth)

[rustic heron]

Time to put the proverbial nail in the coffin:

It was all a dream of some kid. That's the last season. The kid wakes up, draws a picture of a moth in his coloring book, and goes to school.

[hushed steeple]

This is bringing back PTSD I have from fnaf.............

Welp now that we have officially destroyed the sky lore from the inside out I think its time I listen to some music.
Byeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

[thin fossil]

Explain

[ember elbow]

it hangry

[compact shale]

It's a mural of some unseen worm-like abomination emerging from the sea. There is a boat with what is presumably an ancestor raising their hands in rejoice, reverence, fear, or getting arrested.

[thin fossil]

I thought it was ||king krill||😰 😰

[compact shale]

||no one's supposed to see that yet, you know.||

[thin fossil]

LMAO

[compact shale]

No, I'm serious. So if it's ||king krill|| we're talking about then it needs to be spoilered

[thin fossil]

Ok 💀

[tulip aspen]

thank you for spoiler warning it 💀

[hushed steeple]

Creature: You have the right to remain silent!
Ancestor: p-please sir th- there has to some sort of misundersta-
Creature: I SAID SILENCE!!!
And that's how the last ancestor went extinct

[half shadow]

interesting fact that it looks to resemble a bobbit worm!

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I got so caught up in completely erasing the lore of sky that I must have accidentally removed all signs of Darwin's theory of evolution.

[hushed steeple]

I didn't even notice that till now.
Y'know you are a fish, and that bobbit worm seems pretty hungry...........
Just saying.

[half shadow]

not to worry i have the power of incredibly violence on my side

[compact shale]

here is food to fuel your violence 🥫

[hushed steeple]

You literally won't see it coming, I promise
You'll also lose the ability to move around, which I'd say is a plus when you're dying.

[half shadow]

i’m built different

for real though I am soooo geeking out over Sky aquatic life tho

[hushed steeple]

Bobbit fish are built far different than you think, you'll be buried before you're able to comprehend the end.

[compact shale]

are you thinking of ways to kill us

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I want both of you to look at videos or at the very least images of bobbit worms eating fish and then everything I've said will make sense.

[half shadow]

oh trust me I know my polychaeta!! and with bobbit worms specifically they can grow up to ten feet long

[compact shale]

oh my
real bobbit worms are so much more colorful

[hushed steeple]

That's your first thought? Then I guess we're on the same page.

[hushed steeple]

And you know how big of a fish they can eat, riiiiigggghhhhhhht?

[half shadow]

well they’re ambush predators and while they’re super duper long they’re only about an inch or so wide, so they usually eat things like little fish and other worms

[compact shale]

THAT WAS A BIG FISH

[hushed steeple]

Yes, the big fish couldn't even get away.

[half shadow]

(their prey looks big in comparison but it’s actually pretty little just size wise. again: they’re like noodles, super long but only an inch wide)

regardless I am so stoked to get a look at whatever it is. one of the big draws of Sky for me is the biology and how there’s a lot of really cool designs based off of aquatic life which is kind of my whole life’s passion lol

[hushed steeple]

Looked it up and apparently (not taking this for full fact) they will eat, anything that crosses their path, including octopuses. It obviously excludes land animals because bones but besides land animals, anything.

And regardless of actual bobbit worms, this one is maybe 250 times the size of the one we're familiar with.

[half shadow]

little bitty octopi probably, they’re also omnivorous so they’ll eat algae as well

I’m really curious about our seasonal crew too. clearly they’re from the wasteland shipping supplies, I wonder if their quest is to try and get their ship flying again as it seems like sea travel isn’t very common

[hushed steeple]

I expected to come up empty handed so I could pretend this fake one was real, but when I found this actual footage I was actually taken off gaurd.

Looking back the octopus is still relatively small, but compared to the bobbit worm it's a bit big.

Ooooooo what if cuddlefish were in sky!

[half shadow]

aw yeah! they got bear trap mouths

[hushed steeple]

I say we take TGC's company logo hostage till they give us cuddlefish, what do you think?

[half shadow]

daw thatd be super cute

[harsh pecan]

184 messages 👏

[hushed steeple]

If you're afraid of the ocean floor I suggest you not look at our most recent messages................

[harsh pecan]

Oh Ive seen them

[hushed steeple]

Oh, ok.

[boreal nebula]

You know, you are right!

Fun fact, I cannot recall for sure (I wasn't that much into Lore channel yet back then) but I think the two Great Mantas in Sanctuary (those with dorsal horns and 4 wings) are called by some King/Queen Manta for this reason

Quest 5: Great Manta near the 3 statues appears
Lore: "Let's call it King Manta"
Quest 6: bigger Great Manta near the summit appears
Lore : "So what do we call this? Queen Manta?!"

[boreal nebula]

I sincerely left these notes during the first Summer Light Event (2020) when paperboats were introduced (before they were a permanent feature)

Respectively left one before entering PNR (in the last corridor puddle) and one after it (around Orbit rock pads)

🇮🇹"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate" ✒️📜Dante's 👹Divina👼 Commedia...🇬🇧"Abandon all hope, ye who enter"

🇮🇹"...E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle"✒️📜Dante's 👹Divina👼 Commedia...🇬🇧"...Thence we came out, and saw again the stars"

[boreal nebula]

Fish, frogs, alligators (waiit no that was causeD by chemicals pollution in Florida waters ||why is it always Florida?! 😅 ||

[hushed steeple]

Wait, are the frogs gasp
No it can't be gasp but extra dramatic
The frogs must be turning gay!!!!

[boreal nebula]

And then we reveal to those people Queen is bigger and higher ranked than both Bishops & King

|| CHECK MATE ! ♟️ 👑||

[boreal nebula]

Some kind of frogs in an amazon documentary. IIRC 😅

[hushed steeple]

I can't remember the exact species of frog, but there is a species of frog that some types of tarantula adopt as pets (the frog is far smaller than the tarantula) and basically the frog gets protection from predators and the spiders eggs get protection from bugs that'll eat them.

[boreal nebula]

Different species of the same Family... Like there are frogs in deserts too (and some of those have a useful water sack that aborigines can drink ||much safer than drinking Cactus Juice 🌵😵‍💫 ||)

[nimble ingot]

as pet? or more like an epic mount.
Goodness gracious me, lol.

[hushed steeple]

The frog is far smaller than the spider, so pet.

[boreal nebula]

Does that frog bark 🐕 ?

[nimble ingot]

ah, I misread. I thought you said the frog keep the spider as a pet.
My mistake.

[hushed steeple]

I can't say for certain myself but I'm sure that the spider thinks so.

[nimble ingot]

Frogs can scream and hiss.
Here is one that can bark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0uGmeVikkc

[boreal nebula]

Well.. at least it makes more sense a spider with a froggy pet
Than Mickey Mouse with Pluto the dog (and Goofie as Friend too)

[hushed steeple]

Funny thing is that the frog I'm referring to is far smaller than the frog you showed me

[boreal nebula]

There are really alot kinds of frogs

[hushed steeple]

Same with spiders, fun fact the smartest spider in the world is one of the smallest, the frilled jumping spider. Good thing is that they're harmless as well and easily (relatively) Handel able and can be kept as pets, they even have full color vision and great eye sight, and they're diurnal.

[boreal nebula]

Interesting... What makes them so smart?

[hushed steeple]

I don't know, perhaps they wanted to change things up so they developed an actual brain and went hunting rather than waiting like other spiders.
You know, its funny how seasonal cosmetics depict all these animals like spiders, lions, weasels, etc. but there's no evidence of them ever existing, other than these cosmetics, (event cosmetics don't count). And they had to base these masks off of something, right?

[boreal nebula]

And If you look close enough, Shadows eyes are made with the 3 halos rings we see around emotes like floating lvl 2
But once the first pair of 3 rings stops TGC made smaller pairs of rings inside, giving deeper and deeper effect to those eyes

[nimble ingot]

Now I feel guilty for using the emote when || dying in Eden, and then spectating another skykid||.

[hushed steeple]

I need to get to sleep right now or I'll be sleep all through school, because over here it's like 5 am

[nimble ingot]

rest well

[boreal nebula]

My oldest pictures about the Shadows Eyes (i wish I had a better resolution)

#screenshots-and-videos message

How 3rd Assembly Hut was before the final update for Season release

(There was an embedded fire place and the Light Awaits windows was not yet put in place)

[split ice]

this is a pic from the underwater big sus hole
thoughts?

[boreal nebula]

@sage isle @hushed steeple I found 4

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

1. In the entry tunnel
2. In the corridor to the aquarium
3. In the deep trench, around the diamond design of the giant door (on the side)
4. In the surface, giant rock below the pointy gazebo with the candle spot

[boreal nebula]

Indeed... It's not clear what the big long creature is there for

[split ice]

it kinda looks like a krill but why would a krill be underwater

[nimble ingot]

Krill can live in water, the one in the broken temple area that leads to the graveyard shows one rising from the dark water. One in the Battlefield are even rised from the dark water too even if the cutscene does not show it.
It might be a detail that they used to be like light creatures that also live in water (ex. mantas)

[sharp lichen]

WE LOVE JORM

[late wasp]

I should try and reproduce murals for clarity, let me try with this one

[fickle tundra]

Larry/||King krill|| probably was used for research and entertainment

[late wasp]

nevermind, failed miserably, maybe an artist like kamilico could do it

[fickle tundra]

oh hey, need someone that can remake the murals?

[late wasp]

it would be a good idea, since we use angled screenshots most of the time

[fickle tundra]

so yeah, i can try to remake then or use screenshots from oobs, i know what the worm is and its horrifying in person

[late wasp]

after being infected with higher ideas from the other scholars, and being exposed to zhao's concepts. my opinion on these murals slightly changed.

specially in the main complex with the many floors of creatures and crystals.
those crystals on the right are looking eerily familiar with the crystal "books" in the vault. maybe it also functioned as a zoo? as in, they wanted to preserve the knowledge (and specimen) of some of the species.

[nimble ingot]

Is something like this ok?
I thought to give it a shot.

[late wasp]

this also made me think it could be a lighthouse above ground.
underground is just what powers it

[nimble ingot]

I can see how that could work

[fickle tundra]

exactly what ive been saying, i'm not talking about the "worm" rn because its a long story

[late wasp]

it is interesting how GW turned out to be a Seafaring related area.

[fickle tundra]

atleast the top, gw seems to have a higher and a lower area, each connecting to other realms

!OOB NOT HACKING! (spoilers for season of abyss)

Maybe this is the bottom of the mural

[nimble ingot]

Playing the fifth on this one, though that would be so cool when officially out.

[fickle tundra]

idk what you mean with the fifth because of my poor english but i aggree

[nimble ingot]

'Playing the fifth' means that someone can neither confirm or deny on a statement/question that would be incriminating.
So it is similar to saying, "I am not going to say anything, even though I know what it is, but don't want say that I do."

[fickle tundra]

I suspected of it being the bottom of the mural because 1. Very sus hole ||like structure, same building (kinda) and same round thing with elevator||
2. ||Big sea monster||

[late wasp]

👀 ||just saw what the final quest looks like without cutscenes|| wow

[orchid jolt]

The new kind of mushroom in abyss area counts for the light bloom quest.

[late wasp]

so who is talking to the player / aiding it from the start of the game until eden?

[turbid cliff]

Maybe Megabird? Or the Eden Elder/ an unknown ancestor?

[orchid jolt]

So, umm anyone know how to charge when I'm in the chamber with the krill and "krill king" also, they are both surprisingly chill! (Normal krill may have just not spotted me yet)

I wasnt attacked btw, im only losing winged lights because I'm drowning. Anyone know a way to refill my air here?

im guessing i cant refill my air... oh well, i got some great photos tho!

[neat flint]

Sadly, there isn't a way to refill your air unless you bring a friend spamming deep calling

[orchid jolt]

:( i saw some others and went to them deep calling hoping they would deep call to help me... they didnt...

but, deep calling does refuel air?

ok, i have a chance then

the normal krill is chill

[nimble ingot]

Would it be called a Water-lightbloom then?

The stems do look similar to the structure of the dark plants. except the light blooms are more upright, while the dark plants tend to branch outwards.

[orchid jolt]

? im just saying they both work for the quest. prolluy like how any kind of manta that isnt a spirit manta works for the ride manta quest

[fickle tundra]

you can, one of the windows has a small fail wich you can enter the chamber

[orchid jolt]

Prolly gonna need a photo of that so I can find it lol

[fickle tundra]

wait, can i send you a qr?

go home so you stop losing wl btw

[orchid jolt]

I did go home lol

I'm gonna show some other peeps how I got there (hopefully it works again)

more pictures. also, while chatting with some kind strangers, i saw a random white light flying, sort of like an enchantment light once you collect it but also different.

White light thingy

[boreal nebula]

We see mantas underwater in Treasure Reef

We see a small krill (I call it Baby Shark) in the fisher's memory fragment

And in the entrance cave we see a creature emergency from the sea

So, underwater is not a limit for them or similar creatures

[fickle tundra]

Is it weird that i always tought of the elders as warriors? like the chosen ones (revali, mipha daruk and urbosa) from zelda botw

[late wasp]

Prairie Elder is a gentle giant though.
I can see Forest, Valley and Wastes Elders being warriors though

[fickle tundra]

not really warriors but like great leaders with armies and stuff

[lapis badger]

whoa i actually remember reading and liking the the first boat. i remember seeing it and giving a little thumbs up by myself in my house haha. very cool. i studied Dante’s Divine Comedy and Dore pretty heavily in school and became enamored with it, which lead me to tattooing the sleeve, which then led to me tattooing pretty much my whole body in art history stuff lol. i notice some pretty heavy parallels between the poem and sky, but I chalked that up to my perception of things because i am so influenced by the poem, so i am glad that you see the likeness too!

[sharp lichen]

They could, considering that they were the rulers of their respective realms.

[marsh vale]

a trick you can use it to go there without wifi. you will lose wing, but if you close the game and reopen it, turn on wifi and your wing are still there ^^

[late wasp]

something that helped me better visualize the view of the world of sky was to abandon the concept of realms.

for starters, Golden Wastelands and the Vault of Knowledge are the same place. GW is simply the city in which the Vault is located. The Vault is better seen as a college/temple/library located within the GW city. They are the same realm.

Further, we can see how the Forest Elder is located just inside a mining facility / foundry or factory. It's not really a realm, it's more like Forest Elder was responsible for overseeing the mining and production of the crystals. The Forest Elder's house is probably in either the Valley or the Golden Wasteland city. The forest is just her job.

Prairie Elder is just an elder that decided to live in the countryside, in one of the many prairie villages. Because the prairie elder likes nature and animals, preferring a simple life.

Basically what I'm saying is that it is ONE kingdom, that they rule together, instead of an alliance of micro-nations. The kingdom was probably ruled from the Vault.

[nimble ingot]

A realm in Sky could just refer to the kingdom, not that they are on a separate dimension.
While the portals do help skykids get around, when you travel from one realm to the next, you can see how far they are from each other.

While the elder may have their own realms, it is believed that there could have been an elder to rule over all of the realms.

[late wasp]

I didn't say they were separate dimensions though. My point is that they are not separated politically. It's like there are 6-rulers (7 if we count the King), and they all originally lived in the same place. But each decided to live in a different location for different reasons.

GW and Vault still live in the same place.

Something like... "Lord Prairie decided to move from the capital to live in the countryside"

[nimble ingot]

I see.
I get what you mean now. Each realm being their own thing.
We do see some spirits are able to move between realms, as seen in different spirit memories.

[late wasp]

yeah, forest elder is as much the ruler of the prairie as the prairie elder. and dawn elder is as much a ruler of the gw as the gw elder.
the 6 rule all the places together. like a company with 6 shareholders. but one of them decide to oversee the forest mining facility in person to guarantee better results, etc.

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, I got that, but it was a stickers first and it's still just a "Earth Emblem" sticker now..

I wish it could be some flying rock.

[boreal nebula]

Cool!

[rustic heron]

One elder to rule them all, one elder to find them. One elder to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.

Sky is just LoTR confirmed.

[late wasp]

in "her" tower of Barad Dur, where the knowledge is stored.
||Vault Elder was probably the chief elder before the arrival of the King||

[nimble ingot]

Are you suggesting the Eye of Eden is like the Eye of Sauron?

[hushed steeple]

…what would you say to that if that were indeed the case?

[nimble ingot]

Probably get me to read more about the story so see what else would line up.

ex. hobbits - Skykids???

[late wasp]

"Isilduuuur, cast yourself into the Eden!"

King: "no."

[hushed steeple]

||Might be a bad time to mention that I haven't read any of those books||

||Tried readingThe Hobbit but gave up midway||

[nimble ingot]

I got a book in a pawn shop, though have not gotten around to reading it.

[rustic heron]

Both are abstract, ominous entities.
Both have, at their center, an ephemeral entity that is weakened.
Both are surrounded by a land devoid of life save for corrupted beings.

I don’t see it. Couldn’t be.

[tawdry whale]

so are skykids and the other animals just made of light? we know that there are normal plants but from what it looks like anything that's either fungus or animal is light-based

i wonder how skykids are born 🤔 no naughty just. just biology nerd curiosity

[frigid tinsel]

yea, light creatures definitely made of light. as for skykids, they're prob made of light in addition to other things, likely nonbiological objects.

my pre-Season of Abyss working theory on the composition of a skykid_
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

as for how they're born, they do fall from the sky as stars so that's as much as of how they're made as is. light creatures are said to be born from the clouds(?) iirc

[keen shore]

What the other animals are made of is currently unknown because we know they do have skeletons, but some (like the birds) seem to just form from the clouds

[rustic heron]

I swear, why is this censoring so severe? It deleted my message three consecutive times.

[nimble ingot]

Be careful now, if it happens again too soon. You might get muted for a while.

Also, copy the text first, before sending it. Just in case it gets deleted again, @rustic heron

[rustic heron]

So, assumedly the megabird sent down the king, the first child of light, to help guide the spirits to the stars via the divine act of flight.

Suffice it to say, they did not do this. Through a combination of many different factors, the Sky kids we have now are born from that original sky kid, and now take up the same mantle in addition to consolidating their original self and assuaging the guilt of the calamity centered in Eden.

[tawdry whale]

the censoring in the game and server is really weird

[frigid tinsel]

there are words i can say in game that i can't say in the server

[nimble ingot]

yup and vice versa.

[rustic heron]

Love. Huh, that worked.

[nimble ingot]

try saying "art" in-game. On its own, would get blocked, but not when you add any character to it. (reported that as a bug)

[rustic heron]

Mommy. That also worked.

[tulip aspen]

well before skykids and ancestors crashlanded from space they were just pure beings of light

from there we can relevantly assume they gained corporeal forms surrounding their light, shells

because they probably gain these shells either the moment they land, or soon after somehow, it's popular to assume their shells are made of Earth, and this theory is called the Clayshell theory!

here is a doc with all the relevant theories on their anatomy if you wanna check it out
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tawdry whale]

who is the king btw? do we have more info?

[nimble ingot]

'A white whale from Charles Dickens.'

[tulip aspen]

yep, and because clouds recharge us we can assume Light from the Sky seeps into the clouds somehow, for some reason

[frigid tinsel]

in-game "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" was censored. I reported it in the Discord and someone (not a mod) told me it was to prevent real names from being spread and that I should prob delete it, to which I said it was the name of a movie

[tawdry whale]

it might have something to do with the light reflecting

[tulip aspen]

"in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol"

[nimble ingot]

It works just fine for me in the game.

[hushed steeple]

Cut eden elder. Not physically in game anymore but the lore basically revolves around him. Might be the cause of the kingdoms downfall. Might be the victor of the prophecy mural. Might be skykids rebirthed. Dunno

[frigid tinsel]

for a while it didn't work for me. I did try it yesterday while complaining about the censor and it worked. idk what's going on

[half shadow]

Kings not physically in the game but according to the devs he is “still present in some ways”

[frigid tinsel]

also the king is "beyond saving" or "cannot be saved," don't remember the full quote (thanks Kami)

[nimble ingot]

There might have been adjustments to the trigger.
Seeing it blocked me from saying may dream job, I think it needs a bit more work.

[hushed steeple]

“Theres nothing left to save”

[frigid tinsel]

some believe the king/prince is Chosen One, the skykid seen in Ushering Stargazer's memory. the murals in the Cave of Prophecy depict a skykid completing the trials, gifting colored lights – said to be elemental powers – from the end of the trials to some of the Elders, and ascending Eden. we believe that skykid was Chosen One and, as the murals predict, completed the trials. the Sky kingdom might've crowned them prince, they might've grown into a king, we don't really know for sure.

[tulip aspen]

basically, he's still there somewhere in the storm, likely closer to the crystal

[tawdry whale]

maybe he got lost in the sauce? maybe he IS the storm? idk the lore super well so

[frigid tinsel]

if the darkstone crown corrupting their mind thing from Zhao's concepts is still relevant, I imagine that they had something to do with Eden exploding and the red diamond that's spewing out corrupted darkstone. they might've been right there to set it off and was utterly obliterated or the explosion accelerated their corruption, leaving a corpse of corrupted darkstone in their place that absorbed their soul. hence "there's nothing left to save."

[tulip aspen]

can i see that concept I've never seen that before :0

[frigid tinsel]

it's note in the timelime, let me track it down

[nimble ingot]

this one?

[frigid tinsel]

image 1:

the Ancients enter a golden age and the Prince is crowned King. However, dark matter begins to corrupt the Prince and Ancestors.

image 2:

A Storm filled with darkness was created from the explosion and corruption spread throughout the kingdom. The Ancestors' Dark Stones curse the King's crown, trapping him in the storm.
(emphasis mine)

[frigid tinsel]

actually never seen this before, thank you.
edit: I can't read it, too jpg

[nimble ingot]

it was from a tumblr post, though the style is close to the other layout sketches.

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's definitely Zhao's artstyle

[nimble ingot]

talk about a crown of madness.

[tulip aspen]

where does it say darkstone crown?
oh nvm got it

[nimble ingot]

A storm filled with darkness was created from the explosion and corruption spread though the kingdom. The Ancestor' dark stones curse the King's crown trapping in the storm.

Huh, even way back then, it was an ancestor creation, not of the elders.
Dark stone was likely made by the Ancestors, which the elders used and got corrupted by it.

[tawdry whale]

maybe it's like asbestos or whatever and they didn't know it was harmful

[hushed steeple]

Non blurry link

https://preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be29d349ffabbd233e1b8

[nimble ingot]

Reminds me a bit of the Greek myth, where Prometheus gave the human fire, and the humans find a way to royally mess that up (I don't recall all the details).

[frigid tinsel]

we know the manufacturing process of turning darkstone into power diamonds caused a lot of darkness pollution. we see the ramifications of it now (ex: Golden Wasteland), but idk how long the ancestors were oblivious to it, perhaps willingly so

[nimble ingot]

That link is odd, what is that???

[frigid tinsel]

link doesn't lead anywhere

[hushed steeple]

Sorry wrong one. I forgot I have to take the actual page’s url first for the working one

https://preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be29d349ffabbd233e1b8

[frigid tinsel]

iirc, the myth of Prometheus entails that the gods kept fire from the humans. Prometheus, a precursor to the current gen gods (can't remember the name), cared for the humans and hated seeing them suffer. So he went behind the gods' back and gave humans fire. Zeus punished Prometheus and sent down Pandora and her box full of horrors to punish the humans. technically, humans didn't do anything wrong

[frigid tinsel]

that links to the timeline

[hushed steeple]

Thats not what you wanted ? :/

Oops

[frigid tinsel]

was looking for a high-res version of the orbit layout pic Raider linked: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
odd it isn't on Zhao's website

[nimble ingot]

that is the only one I can find.
It is not on the tom zhao site, oddly enough.

[deep phoenix]

lore chat...is it a bug, or when we take our candle out our little yellow gem dissappears?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's our flame. when skykids take out their candle, they're taking out their flame

[nimble ingot]

not a bug, the light in your chest is what lights up your candles. When you put the candle away, it goes back into your chest.

[tulip aspen]

well yeah

as per my anecdotes, the elders were divinely sent by the Light, and were supposed to ascend spirits at the temples; the darkstone and kingdom building was all the idea of the king and his people

why the elders began to help the spirits build their kingdom that was becoming corrupt however, is an appalling mystery

[tulip aspen]

nope! that's your Flame!

so basically when we extend our candle to others, we are touching souls

[tulip aspen]

huh

[rustic heron]

Titans, and he also switched offerings so that humans could keep meat and offer bones and fat instead.

His punishment was to be strapped to a rock while an eagle eats his organs forever. I don’t remember if he’s ever freed.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[nimble ingot]

yup but the krill are in deep trouble now.

[hushed steeple]

I think its been doubling up specifically for lorechat

[rustic heron]

Humans actually efficiently used the fire. This royally peeved off Zeus because he feared the humans were becoming too powerful, and could no longer be controlled.

He knew he couldn’t trick Prometheus (whose name means forethought aka he’s smart), so he gave his brother, Epimetheus (aka afterthought), Pandora whose insatiable curiosity caused her to open a box filled with all the fears in the world.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rustic heron]

Fear is a major nerf for humanity, so they could be controlled again.

[rustic heron]

On the contrary, it’s so incredibly deep your robotic carapace would fry from all the lore seeping through the seams where your bolts are.

[frigid tinsel]

Actually there’s evidence that the original myth that Zeus created Pandora with the purpose of opening the box and unleashing the horrors, evil from the get go. The she was curious part might’ve been added later to justify “women bad and must be controlled” sentiments.
granted the phrase “original myth” is very controversial

[late wasp]

Nah, although this is no longer sky lore, but the whole "women bad and must be controlled” is wrong, honestly. Pandora opening the jar/box is part of a larger theme share by most cultures, most common example: Eve and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It means something opposite of a bad attribute, these myths associate Women with Wisdom and Curiosity. Like how Wisdom is personified as female in most cultures. (Sophia, etc)

The existence of this trope in other cultures, specially Proto-Indo-European cultures, implies it was there from the start. Now for why must cultures associate women with Wisdom, it's up for exploration.

[hushed steeple]

I was so confused until I realized this was about WORLD CULTURE LORE BAHAHA!

[late wasp]

lol! back to sky lore, please

[hushed steeple]

Someone get me some pictures of intentional sky triangles please.

[hushed steeple]

Let me explain why, a bit. I feel there might be lore.

Oh and get me some diamond shapes too.

I would maybe do it myself but I'm currently eating ice cream, doing a bit of chill homework and trying to chat a time y bit in here.

[hushed steeple]

I'll come back later to check and see if anyone decided to deliver upon my request.
Its ok if nobody does deliver upon this as I can just grab pictures myself when I have time, though that won't happen for a while.

[rustic heron]

In a culture based around fealty and kings, curiosity and wisdom are not positive attributes. A curious lady in those times was seen as undesirable; not subservient.

In contrast, today’s cultures tend more to seeing these as positive (thank goodness), and by extension subservience is more negative.

You can see this reflected in Sky; the King domineers over sky, and the creation of black stone technology and a noble class (valley of triumph) grounds the spirits, further separating them from the knowledge of the universe represented by returning to the stars/becoming one again with the megabird before reincarnating.

[hushed steeple]

Lore chat is dead, dry as a desert. What once was a beautiful coral reef of various colors, shapes, and danger levels, is now simply, just sand. Sand going out for miles, as far as the eye can see. Every once in a while you'll encounter a spring, maybe even a small forest, but it doesn't last forever as before you know it, you're back in the desert.

[tawdry whale]

anyway do we know how/why sky kids have their eyes closed when they take their masks off but open when they wear them? maybe they're a form of eye protection?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe, though spirits don't always do that, and with cannoneers broken mask it gets a bit tricky. So yes/no.

[tawdry whale]

yeh

maybe the adults' eyes are more developed and better at shielding light than the kids? iirc maskless dude is a wasteland spirit so he probably doesn't need it besides sand getting in the eyes

[hushed steeple]

What about the bragging spirit in starlight? And maybe a few more?

[tawdry whale]

mayhap

[hushed steeple]

Anyways, I do have this request right here, as well as an extension upon it right below it.
Not saying you have to, but if you'd like a reason to explore sky then here's one.

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunately this isn't what I was asking for, I did specify so you can't pull that trick on me.
(I didn't put a the before sky so you can't squeeze out of that either)

[rustic heron]

Lore is dry and deep. An ocean of sand. It sucks you in and leaves a dry husk, mummified.

Luckily being a mummy makes you immortal so you can deep dive into lore.

[hushed steeple]

Mummies with brains bigger and fresher than a Karen's.

[rustic heron]

I might be able to find some shapes in the game, but not until later tonight. I need to get a picture of ||King Krill’s|| stomach as well, so I should be able to do both.

You know what? We never get to explore our own memories. We freely discover and explore the memories of spirits, but why are we not able to see our own?

The implication of Sky kids being related to the King gives rise to a possible rich history of memories to explore.

The most exciting of these is the possibility of seeing the transpiring events leading to the Eden event.

[late wasp]

what? we were just a star in the sky before incarnating

[frigid tinsel]

my theory is that the light in their eyes would be way too bright, blinding even. the mask helps block off some of it. without, they keep their eyes closed as a sort of courtesy to others

[half shadow]

the Skykids are a pretty blank slate as they've been presented in the lore so far, only created in the image of the Ancestor race, but being separate. I subscribe to the theory that the Skykids are in some way created out of the remnants of the Sky/Prince somehow, but we dont entirely know how deep that actually goes yet

[hushed steeple]

They are pretty much blank slates. Newly dropped for you to customize. But YEAH SEEING PRINCE PAST LIFE MEMORIES I WOULD EAT UP LIKE MAD.

[rustic glen]

I believe I read a theory somewhere that masks are a representation of how skykids see the world with a veil, in order to not see the cruelness of the civilization and its horrors, and when they are not wearing them they just close their eyes. It could maybe serve as an in-lore explanation of why they seem oblivious to information about the civilization, like the war

I also personally think that skykids, as well as the rest of sky creatures, primarly use sound as their main sense to perceive the world, so their eyes are not really used

[hushed steeple]

Masks seem to be used to wear the role in life on their face.

Belonging family had gold diamonds embedded in their mask to show they are part of belonging family. Prophets get heavy rock animal masks with paint. Birds might be performers. Skykids see all this and go “nah I wear what I want”

Lunar new year masks and event masks are special to skykids. I know their canonicity is debatable but I love the idea of spirits seeing skykids wearing the ox and tiger and going “what the heck animal is that supposed to be?”