lore-discussion-spoilers

[thorny folio]

True! Altho I seriously believe skykids do not have bones

[tulip aspen]

light creatures are very different, they technically ARE the Sky/Light

they are naturally a part of it always fully connected

when they die, it's an active part of the Light getting ripped away permanently, so it means a lot

ancestors likely fell on accident, they don't seem to be perfect creations of the Sky, so their death doesn't spiritually mean the same thing as a manta dying

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the skeletons occur for 1 of 3 possible reasons

1. they are physically attacked, by a person, it maybe by the explosion(?)
2. the corruption might just sometimes decay creatures fully instead of leaving them as zombies like the krill are
3. perhaps a more natural condition, such as well to live, old age, running out of life

i don't believe all larger light creatures that die will unconditionally turn to bones, so it has to be one of the reasons above

[livid pelican]

Maybe they melt? Light creatures aside from us have bones.

[tulip aspen]

que

[thorny folio]

I wonder if the clay form gets soggy when you start to drown. Like it fills with water and becomes saturated

[keen shore]

Can you please explain why ancestors don’t seem to be perfect creations? I also agree with you on not all creatures turn to bones thing, I think some weird condition has to be met for it to happen — I feel like if it happened with everything we’d see a lot more skeletons, esp manta skeletons, everywhere. I’m just trying to figure out what the condition is

[tulip aspen]

that wouldn't work cos we swim on the surface of the water just fine

[livid pelican]

For some reason, the first factor makes sense because of the fact that spirits need to consume.

My proof is the campfire at the graveyard.

[fallow arrow]

speaking of skeletons, how did the huge skeleton we see in vault get there?

[tulip aspen]

do they tho?

@keen shore they are more mortal than us, and aren't connected to the light much

[keen shore]

One of my ideas on the whale skeleton is that the dismayed hunter killed it by accident while trying to shoot something else, which is why we see them and think “hunter” instead of “archer”, & they seem to fire an arrow in the general direction of the corpse. (ignoring all the issues with a tiny arrow killing a massive beast) So that would possibly explain that particular skeleton being a result of violence

[sage isle]

correct me if I'm wrong, but there's skeletons in the Vault, right?

[livid pelican]

Yup

[sage isle]

then, those are the skeletons of the mantas? my heads hurting again-

[hushed steeple]

:/

[compact shale]

yep, mantas have bones.

[thorny folio]

Could just be unstable and the light pops out. Might keep it as a headcanon

[thorny folio]

The scholars put it there For Science

[livid pelican]

The important rule of archery is that you only have one shot to kill an animal. A good bow might contribute to the death of the whale and they might've hit a vital organ to kill it slowly

[tulip aspen]

yes but vault is an illusion @fallow arrow

however, mantas do have bones

[sage isle]

OH. right!

[thorny folio]

Vault is what

(I’ve never heard this before)

[fallow arrow]

wait vault is an illusion? can you explain this please? i havent heard about this yet

[keen shore]

I do have to wonder if them being unconnected to the light was a consequence of imperfect anatomy or just the fact that they were the only fully sapient beings and could make their own decisions. I don’t know if the mortality is too much evidence because obviously light creatures can die (although you probably mean they just don’t die of old age) and we don’t really know how a lot of the spirits died yet. It could be that they had the potentials to love forever as well but all just died from the disaster along with the creatures and/or just died violently in any other way. Sorry for the tangent lol

I do feel like ancestors and light creatures are different? on the light spectrum to some capacity. mostly because ancestors seem to need to eat while creatures just do whatever, and ancestors while they can be connected to the light dont need to be fo survive

[sage isle]

so

[tulip aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sage isle]

the vault is an illusion because we only get to the first floor. everything after that, is just an illusion. Since when we finish that, we appear in a room that is heavily destroyed.

[keen shore]

Maybe ancestors caused unnatural deaths to create corpses on purpose, so they could use the light creatures for meat? I could see this happening although I don’t think we have tons of evidence for it unless you want to put a much darker spin on birds’ nest mantahouses

[thorny folio]

But is it the same room as the last floor?

[sage isle]

uhhhhhhh

[compact shale]

I don't know if light creatures have "meat". but crabs do.

[sage isle]

I think so? we have the walls of the cubes and the elevator is in the middle, but the elevator is broken

[thorny folio]

crab kebab

[keen shore]

I mean, if they didn’t have meat and do have skeletons, and died meeting the unnatural conditions, that would mean they just immediately poofed into a skeleton upon death which just feels wrong lol

[thorny folio]

I’ll have to look tomorrow, I always thought there was just a higher floor

[sage isle]

please look tomorrow, im probably wrong

[compact shale]

I don't know, I've always thought of them as just light, then skeleton. That's it. Though I guess that does make you wonder why Abyss doesn't have more skeletons...

[keen shore]

It also makes me wonder why there are so much more skeletons of big animals than little ones like mantas, even though mantas seem much more common when alive. And also the fact that we mostly only see rib cages and skulls (although this could be a convenience choice so they didn’t have to design complete skeletons and these are the most recognizable parts of a skeleton…)

Maybe they can still disintegrate partially after death when the Skeleton Condition is met, but can’t do it fully, and it’s more obvious with larger animals because yknow more bone to vanish.

[compact shale]

hm...

[keen shore]

Imprortant addition to this Skeleton Discussion is that some bones can still give you calls, implying some sort of soul still inhabits them and can’t leave. Whether this means all bones are conscious and some just don’t care to give you calls or that just the ones that do give you calls are conscious is unclear, but the fact that it can even happen in the first place is really dark

[compact shale]

Maybe there is still some light essence stuck to the bones...

[tulip aspen]

no, it's a room that shows what vault actually looks like

it may all be an illusion, but vault is still an elevator going up to eden

so basically for all we know, the first and last (and maybe 2nd) floors are real, while any and all trippy things going on in vault are just virtually in a pitch black elevator shaft

[willow prawn]

It's usually said bones are/have memories because they have a lot of information of the life of said organism

I guess that's why they give us calls

[keen shore]

So what I tried to say the first time is this

Maybe it’s a situation where the body and the soul are one and the same, like the body is just a physical manifestation of the soul. Would explain why spirits look like yknow, people, instead of just being vague blue ghostly shapes

I forgot to add the most important part the first time because tired but this would basically mean if the whole body doesn’t get vanished, neither does the soul

[compact shale]

But in Sky, this is taken... very literally...

[burnt hill]

#z@willow prawn but bones wont last for long , they become dust or soil if its too long

Wait do we talk about sky spirit? 🤣 Oops my bad 🤣

[willow prawn]

If they're not conservated properly, indeed!

But we don't really know how long the bones we see have been around. Also, for the texture they have when we walk in top of them (sounds like wood/stone), maybe they are fossilized

[burnt hill]

@willow prawn ah yes 👍🏻😁

@keen shore bones on wasteland and vault still intact 👍🏻😁👍🏻

[keen shore]

Not completely unfortunately, we only really get the rib cages and maybe the skull if we’re lucky

[burnt hill]

3h bone. Cave?

[hushed steeple]

Hey where did you find that intro?

[thin dirge]

So many new faces here

[keen shore]

I know it’s scary!!! but in a good way obv

[south badger]

speaking of seeing things in the rock formations, i almost had heart attack thinking this was a big hand at first glance

[frigid tinsel]

[tulip aspen]

via the mindspace theory
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

whenever we sit at the white circles, we are meditating, and are then given visions.
these visions range from small hallucinations in the real world, such as the confetti at the races, to entering a dreamlike stance where our conscious goes to a "pocket dimension" of sorts, such as when we meet the elders

vault, the infamous library and elevator up to Eden, seems to be a mixture of both however.
the crystal above us doesn't seem to just power the elevator, but also affect our minds as we meditate under it..
after the first floor, it's completely unclear which floors are real or not

floor 2 very likely may be real, but some features of 2 persist into floor's 3 and 4.
perhaps those platforms seen closer to the elevators are still actually real? they are visually brighter and more concise than the floating structures and islands further off...

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a stretchy hypothesis could be that from floor 2 it's all either in our head or all hallucinations, but that the crystal above us gets weaker and weaker until the illusion isn't realistic anymore

or perhaps it gets stronger and stronger every floor, either warping reality around us harder and harder every time we meditate under it, or sinking us deeper into a lucid dream happening in our mind until we aren't even getting up anymore but think we are because it's happening in the dream

personally, id like to think it's at first just an illusion, and floor 3 is happening in a normal room with the trees being hallucinations, but floors 4-6 being completely within dreams, but at the same time this isnt that realistic

[tulip aspen]

is that in an oob in the Abyss or is it on the first level

[south badger]

it’s on the normal crystal bay level ! if you’re swimming into it from the entrance, it’s all the way to the right

it doesn’t look like a hand up close and looking more at it, but first glance i was like…woah

[keen shore]

Wait. Does this mean that whenever we sit in the boats to the forgotten ark or to the treasure reef and meditate to start them, are those entire areas hallucinations, or is it just a gameplay mechanic? Or, can we somehow activate darkstone with our mind powers while meditating?

[keen shore]

I am thinking about this and the more I do, the more it makes sense, but it does bother me that we’re the only ones with different looking souls to our bodies

[peak pagoda]

Help my brain understand cause I have a hard time with season of abyss.

So we all know that the spirits from the constellations went down on the world of Sky. As sprits they became many. I'm assuming that these spirits with their Elders are immortal.

So in season of abyss we have these treasure hunters with ruins underwater. What I'm having difficulty grasping is, for a race of immortal beings or at least, with immortal leaders (Elders), shouldn't there be no mysteries at all for them to uncover cause their knowledge is basically limitless and existed since their time in the mortal plane? They have access to the original ancestors, which is themsleves! So where did the ancient ruins in the underwater came from?

[frigid tinsel]

1. ancestors prob weren’t immortal, though you’re right Elders very likely are.
2. ancestors (and Elders) possibly kept such information away from other ancestors.

[peak pagoda]

That's a possibility. The elders could have cut their communication with the lesser spirits (ancestors) for an unknown period, much like God ceased contact with mortals after the old testament.

[tulip aspen]

since we activate the vault elevator with our minds, that is also an accurate analysis, yes

it's even in my doc lol

[keen shore]

For some reason, I thought we just sat down at the elevator, and instead of starting it we just somehow imagined we started it and just made up the rest of the realm in our head

This is probably the same kind of magic vault scholars used to hover things

[tulip aspen]

it definitely is, as we see scholars moving lanterns with their minds in murals

so it's damn near canon

[frigid tinsel]

Hence why I dislike the mindspace theory.
👋nothing’s real👋

Ye

[keen shore]

It DOES feel a bit weird but considering I can’t really think of an alternative that isn’t just “uhh… maybe it’s all convenient gameplay mechanics” I have accepted it

[compact shale]

I think that the Vault elevator contains dark crystals that set up the illusion in our mind for us.

[keen shore]

Because if you told anyone else “yeah, a good 30% of this game just isn’t actually real in its world” they’d look at you with great concern

[south badger]

ah…… the simulation……

[tulip aspen]

actually, in the vast canvas of our mind, everything is what we want it to be

as someone who wrote papers on the matrix being an allegory for transgenderism (which it is), i adore simulacra themes

[frigid tinsel]

well the alternative doesn't have to be "just gameplay mechanics." maybe they can control things with their minds if they tune into it via meditating, as with the elevator or the boats.

[tulip aspen]

yea lol

[compact shale]

Like I mean as opposed to us imagining it ourselves

[keen shore]

Can we extend this to “all mindspaces are powered by darkstone” or just say that it amplifies them somehow?

[tulip aspen]

yes, that's how the mindspace works, but sometimes we see others in control, be it the spirits, elders, or, in the hypothetical canon of starlight desert, the crystals control you...

[frigid tinsel]

well that wouldn't be a mindspace cos it's in this world, the Sky world, not some mental plane of existence

[tulip aspen]

i definitely think the crystals, particularly the one above us, influences all of it

[compact shale]

Maybe... For all we know the Prophecy caves secretly have darkstone.... ^. M. ^

[south badger]

oh, so we can all open the doors with our minds but when i want to manifest a giant killer krill i’m suddenly not allowed to use my telekinetic abilities …. smh

[frigid tinsel]

I only just realized what the ^. M. ^ is, Fruity – a smiley face

[tulip aspen]

prolly amplifies, but i once had a theory as a moth when i first saw vault and instantly recognized it was an illusion, that maybe there's magic crystals everywhere secretly hidden and even spirits are just projections from the crystals

a special kind of theory angst, that none of it was real and we were just alone

[keen shore]

Maybe the spirit memories are some kind of corruption of that technology. I can totally see their original purpose being projected from the lanterns

[compact shale]

Oof, if the spirits are illusions too... They could be, if they were real what is the chance their corpses wouldn't conform with the illusion (i. E. A spirit corpse is floating far off from anything that you know is solid)

Do you think that there's a spirit whose entire consciousness and brain is stored in a lantern?

[hushed steeple]

So the depiction of this creature and this eel are far too similar to be a coincidence, what do you guys think?

[south badger]

spoilers but ||there’s a bigger creature down there||

[tulip aspen]

nah, i dont actually believe in that theory lol, i just made it as a moff in 2020

[compact shale]

Why is the actual eel so smol tho

If that's an ancestor on the boat in that mural and they're only twice the size of us imagine how big the 1st mural creature really is

[hushed steeple]

I think that the eel could have gotten bigger due to corruption, or maybe this eel is only a juvenile.

[south badger]

spoilers of what the mural creature most likely is in this pic

[hushed steeple]

I know, I saw it on the first day of the season

[south badger]

yeah it was technically in the trailer for it

[keen shore]

I could see corruption making creatures extremely large, esp if you take the tiny krill from the anglers memory as a sign that smaller krill existed as a separate light creature

[compact shale]

Wait, LIGHT creature?

[south badger]

oh that is a good point i didn’t even consider how that one is smaller

maybe they were friendly…

[keen shore]

as in - what if there was a species of light creature that was just smaller versions of krill, maybe behaving like sharks, and they only became big and nasty after being corrupted. The smaller ones possibly died out from having to compete with the big ones or they were just naturally more susceptible to becoming corrupted

[tulip aspen]

uhhhhh

[compact shale]

It doesn't really fit with the design rules for light vs dark creatures tho, but for krill to be a neutral creature (like sanctuary crabs) may have been a thing

But then again krills are corrupted and memories don't reliably tell you the color of anything so...

[hushed steeple]

But in the cut scene after burning the spirit statue, the krill was black, do you think black light creatures could have existed? It also still had the rough shell, when looking at other light creatures they appear more soft and smooth, it could be that the eel was massive to begin with, thus meaning that the small krill was a baby, or maybe the small krill was freshly corrupted and is still growing.

[keen shore]

I personally don’t believe it just because the Blob theory is more compelling, but it is something to consider
Also note that the coelacanth is all armored and spiky so it wouldn’t be too weird for another light creature to be as well in a more extreme fashion

[hushed steeple]

Wait coelacanth? Am I missing something?

[keen shore]

I’m 90% sure it’s what this dude is called

[compact shale]

Though the question is... Where did they get the armor?!

[keen shore]

Would probably just have it naturally, but I don’t know why (if it even needs a reason), unless there was a whole light creature Predator/prey ecosystem similar to our animals and it was just a built in defense mechanism

[compact shale]

Wait, if it's natural, then maybe that whale's mask is an exoskeleton...

[hushed steeple]

I see where you're coming from, but let me give my opinion. The crabs originally were friendly until corruption, good crabs have no particles while corrupted crabs do, but they both seem to be made of stone, notably a light colored stone. Crabs are also not as dangerous. Now krill are completely black and sopping with those particles we saw on the crabs, while they do have a shell its nothing like the light stone we've seen. This ceolecanth or as most people call it whale has a mostly white exterior with what appear to be fine up close, (examined inside of oob) their head is protected by a light stone. The rest of their body is white and soft/smooth. The eel also has a bunch of fins of it, esp on the head. Now while this can't be completely confirmed since we don't know what krill originally looked like, I can tell you that small krill was only white due to the memory, this is the first time we've seen the memory version of a krill. And under closer examination this small krill also has all those particle effects and is actually black in the spirit cutscene. This small krill is in fact corrupted.

[hushed steeple]

The armor is probably to protect its head from predators. This is a common feature in fish from the past. Now while they may not have any apparent predators now, there are fossils of creatures bigger than them, meaning they could have had predators in the past.

Its pointed out in concept art as part of their bones....even though I think the one in forest has white bones?

Also the leviathan does not look like the worm in that mural. I get the ||eyes|| but you think they would get the row of teeth sticking out right...

I have a quick thing to throw at you, the first picture is from the switch trailer, this scene is a dessert of dunes with many clouds reaching the sand, just like starlight desert. And this fossil over on the third picture could be the same kind of creature as the one the spirits rode in the trailer.

Only prollem is the way they enter isle from, seems to indicate its AWAY from the main land. Cool details though. I think that skeleton is a smaller version of the turtle one in GW

Unless they did a big circle :/ thad kinda be funny.

[hushed steeple]

So the creature in the depths does have a mouth, it may not have teeth now, but it could have at one point. And this is the only creature in the game to have so many eyes like that, its clear that the two are connected. Now if you've noticed all the creatures, even the spirits, aren't portrayed exactly like we see them. The murals don't show the manta frills or the gold accents but they are still mantas, the bird murals are just lines, but they're still birds.

[compact shale]

I mean, if this place is new and uncharted to them, then that's entirely possible

Though it could make sense that they'd show them flying through Starlight Desert, SoTLP was the first season of Switch after all

Idk tho

[hushed steeple]

The way they enter isle is problematic in so many ways, they were headed away from Eden, and as far as we know isle has an ocean in the direction they were coming from, hence the name isle.

I see the mural creature as a row of teeth sticking out. I guess it could he the thing with its mouth open....and without its snout.....but it is in the different style to typical vague ancestor drawings.

[south badger]

leviathan/ruby does have teeth modeled in her jaw 👀

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it will have a face splitting open gimmick?

[south badger]

i was hoping for that
maybe too scary for sky though? lol

[hushed steeple]

Maybe. Nothing is worse than human teeth furry krill though

The mural and the actual thing are very different, And since the creature was in the clouds its possible the saw it a bit wrong.

Its just....its just too odd that its different! Unless its face can split open.

Aha this mural depicts the same creature but with a snout more closely depicted to that of which we see on the actual creature.

[south badger]

i think the curled creature in this mural is definitely leviathan. i think the other one is something different we haven’t seen yet

[hushed steeple]

Yep. Agree agree. Odd odd......

So are yall hype for sandworm or what?

jk I dont think we are gonna get sandworm this round

[south badger]

dune x sky when … i’m waiting

i know it’s not a sandworm… but i did gasp in excitement when i saw the mural lol

[hushed steeple]

It does look like teeth krill but thankfully with different teeth. The pose is similar too.

[compact shale]

What if there's a new area inside leviathan's mouth? WHAT IF WE HAVE TO GET EATEN????

NO NO NO THAT CANNOT.

[hushed steeple]

You might be right, look, the first one is bigger than the second one. Which means we've got even more problems than just a corrupted eel. There is a possibility the two murals are different creatures that are related. Do you think that's why we saw the tiny krill, that its TGC trying to show us that krill can reproduce, meaning that this thing could also reproduce.

[south badger]

THANKFULLY DIFFERENT TEETH

[hushed steeple]

Say what you want but I take spiky horribe teeth monster over human teeth and gums horrible teeth monster any day

[hushed steeple]

Wait is this official concept art?

[hushed steeple]

Yep!

[hushed steeple]

Weird

[south badger]

hmm not sure. i don’t know if it’s about reproduction or more likely that it’s just another creature. i guess they could be related? i wish we had everything like how leviathan is so nicely shown for us but i do get the feeling this sandworm fella is just another one we haven’t seen yet but possibly will sometime soon… 👀

[hushed steeple]

Heres more

[south badger]

idk about you guys but i’m obsessed with these concept creatures

[compact shale]

Maybe krill can infect other light creatures to make more krill idk tho

[south badger]

i love them… 🥺

[hushed steeple]

We have seen mini multi manta and mini krill. Dunno if it confirms babies but ide be alright for it confirming babies

[compact shale]

Maybe krill is turning smoler creatures into minikrill?

Also why are the eels blue? Are they spirit eels or something?

[south badger]

not sure if that’s the case or if they’re white and the lighting underwater makes them appear tinted blue

[hushed steeple]

Wait, what's that say about plaque in the bottom right of the second picture? Also that blob was in light awaits I believe, on the spirit statues.

O I got so many. The second page here is actually elders! They experimented with the idea of animal bosses but eventually developed them into elders.

[south badger]

it says: “plague: human influence to spirits
representation of: opposing force, challenge, fear

• blind, hungry, strong, NOT evil”

[hushed steeple]

Don’t forget “....shrimp”

[compact shale]

What plague?

[hushed steeple]

Ok, the eel is white but tinted blue because of the light, and also doesn't that top right one, the one they used for the bag in the shop. It looks vaguely like a krill but as a light creature.

[south badger]

i think just plague as a concept. an infestation of human influence

[hushed steeple]

Antlerwhale looks like a krill? Mmmmm? Ok.

[south badger]

metaphor, is probably a better word

[hushed steeple]

I think....I learned....a lot of things look like krill.

[hushed steeple]

Not evil? So just reacting based on its instincts. True, krill aren't trained meaning they aren't inherently bad, they just require our life source for nutrition.

[south badger]

GAHH i want more odd and weird creepy creatures !!!!

[hushed steeple]

Did I show you the octopus and crab pile?

[compact shale]

Either nutrition, or their instinct is desperately wanting to be pure again, so all their lunges toward light are attempts to using said light to purify themselves, but the darkness overrides it every time so it doesn't work.

[south badger]

i don’t think so :3c

[compact shale]

you're telling me that
back then crabs could pile up and
create an arm to pull you down???

[south badger]

oh they’re perfect …

[hushed steeple]

You ain’t safe in the air. Crabs work together to show you your place

[compact shale]

I love and hate this picture

Imagine getting killed by a crab mech behemoth

[hushed steeple]

TGC definitely tried to make sky a bit more like journey, especially with the turrets and the creatures made of pieces of stone.

[south badger]

a bunch of crabs in a trench coat

[hushed steeple]

Im happy they didnt do stone creatures. AND YET SOMEHOW MADE IT MORE JORURNEY >:/

[hushed steeple]

KTJN'S COUSIN

[south badger]

i love all these concepts so much i’m going to forget they’re not canon right now all the time now LOL

[compact shale]

man these are so good for creepypasta

[hushed steeple]

Welcome to the club

Remember, don't go down the multi floor basement dungeon

[south badger]

too late

[hushed steeple]

Have you noticed that the undersides of all the abyss mantas are different from normal mantas. They're more blue on the bottom. Thats probably evolution.

[compact shale]

Either evolution, or a sign of their light fading while inside the tanks...

[hushed steeple]

The same thing is on the free mantas Fruity

[livid pelican]

How did you get there?

[compact shale]

Oh, um... damn it, then.

[hushed steeple]

My lore folder is....getting too big

[round parrot]

Might also be the mantas adapting to the conditions of the tank because they have been there for a while and nobody has let them out ever since the disaster of the diamonds happend

But then again it might be too early for a change to happen

[hushed steeple]

Chibi fall

[tulip aspen]

smh

[south badger]

keeping the mantas company

[hushed steeple]

Yes, evolution. Now I need prairie mantas compared to abyss mantas right now.

[south badger]

they shouldn’t have to adapt to a cage… free them…!

[round parrot]

I could say that 3-4 (or more) of them are big for some reason

[compact shale]

But what exactly IS the blue thing, if it's a sign of evolution? A bigger air sack?

[livid pelican]

Ye

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I also want sanctuary mantas, specifically the sanctuary big and small mantas.

its prolly the same model of all other mantas though

[south badger]

do they.. need to breathe air?

[round parrot]

Found these in the Sky Wiki, I could have sworn that I have seen an accurate representation of mantas somewhere....

[south badger]

welp i gotta sleep now but i’ll let you all know if i have any prophetic dreams of sky lore

[nova geyser]

Has anyone else found more than three paintings in the Abyss area? Also can we discuss what we think’s going on in them here? XD

[round parrot]

Sweet dreams Fox!

[hushed steeple]

G’nigto!

Ok, I've gathered as many manta photos that I have as I possibly can.

We still need the big mantas with horns

Look at how the valley mantas have longer fins than the others

The small sanctuary mantas have no eyes, but instead a horn, and they have a shorter tail with a bigger circle shape at the end with the tail tip being the only gold accent

Prairie mantas, or at least prairie big mantas, have an extra set of fins

The abyss mantas a similar to those prairie mantas but have deep blue fading outwards on the underside where typically you'd see a gold triangle.

Ah, also the abyss mantas have shorter more downwards slanted extra fins, different from prairies.

I think abyss mantas might also have slightly shorter tails, though I'd need to see the two models side by side to accurately tell.

maybe this is where the spirit manta come in, what if they aren't spirits at all but different manta variants. The spirit manta still have their gold accents and are transparent more like jelly fish or light blooms, where as spirits, and mantas depicted in spirit memories as well as other spirits depicted in spirit memories have lost almost all color, excluding cosmetics.

[hushed steeple]

Big mantas with horns don't have eyes, just like the small horned mantas. Maybe they rely on echolocation. There is a lot of noise in sanctuary which would allow for these mantas to use echolocation constantly.

I still don't have all the mantas unfortunately, but this is a start. Also mantas in sanctuary are partially aquatic but mostly stay above the water, maybe they do need to breath air, this would mean that the blue part on the abyss mantas is what allows them to breath underwater, fish gills filter oxygen out of the water and that could be what these blue spots are doing for these mantas.

Krill are also very similar looking to crustaceans, and you never see them in places with no water in sight, wasteland has dark water everywhere, Eden probably has dark water below the cliffs we tread across, abyss has water for land.you also never see crabs anywhere without water nearby. ||office doesn't count||

Okay there was that one krill in the season of tlp but it left for Eden shortly after.

I need pictures of the jellyfish across the realms.

[steep prawn]

it symbolizes the snake in the story

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thanks for telling me. Have you been watching me chat to myself this entire time?

[compact shale]

Yeah. It's probably not real, Moon.

[steep prawn]

yes lmao i lurk the chat and what you have been saying is really interesting

[hushed steeple]

Wait, did I hallucinate that? OH MY JAR!!! IM GOING INSANE NOW!!!!!

[compact shale]

YES THE TLP SEASON IS A BIG HALLUCINATION GET SOME SLEEP

[hushed steeple]

Imma go grab some pictures of jellies to put on my pictures of peanut crabbers and krealld

[compact shale]

peanut crabbers?

[steep prawn]

LMAO all just a dream

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I was able to collect a few jellyfish images.

Ok, I forgot the medium size jelly fish but I'm not going out scavenging again so lets pretend we have it

Ok so small jellyfish are a lot more simple with a bit a a wider curve at the top and more white light than yellow light

[tulip aspen]

.....how do you have that boat

[hushed steeple]

medium and big jellyfish are relatively the same, yellow, blue, and white light and transparent, a sharper curve on the head compared to small jellyfish

[compact shale]

It's a spell you can buy from Ark. For 8 hearts. Apaprently.

[tulip aspen]

i thought i was just seeing more and more hackers lolol

[tulip aspen]

WHY IS THE FIRST ONE SO HIGH DEF

it really does suck they didn't even TRY to make switch version not look like just phone fps

it should have gotten even higher fps than tablet smh

[hushed steeple]

king jelly fish are far less detailed, they're more foggy than all the other jellyfish and have crowns, their tentacles protrude from below the top part instead of extending from it and are more 3 dimensional. Their heads are a little flatter and curve more like a pear.

[hushed steeple]

That's because it'll cost $20 USD like the swing and see saw
The 8 hearts

[tulip aspen]

Final wishes for each season:

Gratitude: _(o-o)/
Lightseekers: "Don't let the light fade away...!"
Belonging: "Our family reunion WILL happen! We can't let a storm stop us! Stay strong, everyone...!"
Rhythm: _(o-o)/
Enchantment: "Can the lights come back to us? Will the lights come back to us? They're very important... We don't want them to fade away..."
Sanctuary: "We didn't get to make the most of our days, did we...?"
Prophecy: "How can we live with the regret of the ones who have died to these trials?" / "How can we live with the fact that we chose the wrong ruler?"
Dreams: "I just want to see my daughter as happy as she was just once more...."
Assembly: "Gah, the rain's getting harder... will we be able to finish the repairs in time?"
Flight: "We need help... maintaining the wind paths gets harder and harder every day..."

its so sad knowing the wishes of all of these seasons never actually came true, and that you can only help them to pretend the wishes did ////:

really does make me feel awful

The lighseekers had to stand above the realms and watch everyone lose hope.
Belonging never made it past the storm
The Rhythm team never met again and spent their lives regretting walking away.
Enchantment never had the powers to actually restore the ark as a home.
Sanctuary never uncovered the secrets of the bells.
The prophets sat in that place forever just regretting what had happened.
The girl may have gotten what she wanted, but in the end she was still so lonely, and her village couldnt help her overcome that even though she was their shining star.
The scouts never finished their dream treehouse; the storm blew it all down anyways.

It's just.... damn ):

_
_
jam archive
prolly needs editing now that we are a lot more sure about most of these seasons, but still a classic quote

[compact shale]

did you think i suddenly forgot how to be an archivist /lh

[tulip aspen]

i just have my own stash of mine and other people's quotes about important themes and theories

oh oh oh i found the "does sky really have no story???" speech

this made everyone riled up enough that we could get ash to say there's a lore bible (im so sorry ash)

_
_
"with stuff like the second intro, sometimes it dang well seems like it!
its so frustrating...

they need someone to actually write a concrete story for the entire team to acknowledge and understand, that way the game feels more fleshed out, especially among new content and updates

if we assumed the lore is written down for other devs to refer to, the devs could go with what was already established for consistency sake, and then expand on parts where they themselves can add on to the lore.

If a dev has to rely on an older dev or someone who knows more about the true lore, then that would not be a surprise how the lore would have changes.

It is all fine and dandy to change the lore, within reasons, of course.
I certainly do not hope the developers are not also included in the 'lore is open to interpretation' trend.
because if so, then the lore of sky, could very well be anything under the sun.

In art terms, if something can have virtually any meaning, then it can also be meaningless. The work must have some meaning in order to mean something for the audience.

im not asking for us to know the lore, the mysteries should stay a mystery

but a mystery is only interesting if it feels like something is actually behind the curtain

if there is no solid story that the ENTIRE team is aware of, then there's actually nothing behind the curtain, and they can continue lying to us that there is, but if all it took was for me to walk in and point out the intro retcon as a flaw on my second week as a lorekid, then it's way too easy to shine a light on the curtain and see the hands moving the quickly stitched together puppets behind the facade

so they need to get their stuff together and get someone to be actually dedicated to publishing a writing for them all to read
because this just aint it, if im right"

[hushed steeple]

So flight, they never fixed the wind paths? That means they didn't see each other ever again even though they were so close together?

[compact shale]

The power of shouting might've allowed them to keep talking to each other /j

[hushed steeple]

"BUILDER, COULD YOU SEND ME SOME SUGER!!!"
"IT FELL THROUGH THE CLOUDS!!!"
"......"
"......."

Wait jam, could we archive my scientific manta discoveries!!!

[tulip aspen]

it was confirmed they've had to do this before, but clearly it fell apart again, and people defiantly argued that it could have fell apart after they died

but i deemed that that made no sense, because why would they be able to care what happened if it happened after they died?

so it had to have happened right before they did

[compact shale]

maybe they died trying? if they were trying to fly even though they can't really, they might've plummeted down

[hushed steeple]

What if they made the wind paths themselves with the help of light creatures, but they couldn't maintain it properly and consistently, so it just kept going to ruin till death.

[tulip aspen]

que?
i mean the archive is really only for me to look back on lol no one has ever read it before ||and no one ever will||

[hushed steeple]

also, the chime smith probably made the sanctuary bells.

[tulip aspen]

omg fruity look its that phase where i was adamant ash was lying that the second intro didn't change the story

[hushed steeple]

Ok, the sanctuary bells brought all the light creatures there to the island, the chime smith makes bells that attracts light creatures. Not to mention the bells of sanctuary and the chime smiths bells are of the same style.

[compact shale]

i... oh my goodness...

[hushed steeple]

2486 notifications?!

[tulip aspen]

aggression doesn't begin to describe it

||80% of that rant is still absolutely relevant to Sky narrative today tho--||

[hushed steeple]

If anyone is ever suspicious about the same creature species between different realms just come to me, the sky zoologist

[tulip aspen]

who you gonna call?
Moon-Pe-tal

[hushed steeple]

Its made even more funny when you know that in my personal fictional lore I originate from the void.

[hushed steeple]

This is how my zoology career started, I posted this and then we talked about evolution and then I remembered, there are many different mantas

Ok, here is my research upon the different varieties of manta that I was able to obtain a picture of.
And also sky crustaceans

[tulip aspen]

you should see kami's manta drawing compilations, i think you'd love them

[hushed steeple]

Will do

[hushed steeple]

I never knew Sky is about this all too

I found some more crazy sky concepts

The crab analogy scares me

Ok, lets see if I'm right about this.............

Would any of you say these two crabs are different sizes

[hushed steeple]

The second crab is by wasteland bon fire. Interestingly enough this crab is nice.

[rapid crest]

[hushed steeple]

It looks like farther in the back on the second picture yet strangely enough the crab in the second picture is bigger than the one in the first.

If this is true then crabs do vary in size depending on their enviroment.

Crabs also look like rocks, and can bury into the sand, I presume this is a defense mechanism to hide from predators.

Now something interesting about crabs is that they flash red when help of a fire, I originally thought this was a way to melt the darkness but this also happens to un-corrupted crabs. Perhaps it signifies overheating.

[tulip aspen]

use a prop as a size reference

[hushed steeple]

Oh, why didn't I think of that. I'll do it in a couple hours as I need to sleep. Its.really late where I'm at.

[crystal sequoia]

hb

[faint hawk]

Hello lore and good morning, I've just read up on the chat from when I fell asleep

A few things I wanted to bring up from what I've read:

Is the skeleton in tlp canon? In the area where you're headed towards eden mountain where the krill was.

I've been thinking that maybe Ruby is a humongous corrupted version of the white eel we see swimming around in abyss. It feels odd for them to include a new light creature with so many similarities to Ruby for no reason.

I've also been thinking about the abyss murals and if Ruby is the one depicted on both or if there are two Ruby's. If one of the murals shows Ruby escaping then why are they still contained within the aquarium below in current time? It doesn't make sense to me I'm also a bit confused about the timeline of abyss, the murals and the current time in general. Like, is Ruby just a spirit memory or are they real and present in current time?

Lastly, I'll try to take pictures of different mantas, jellies etc if it's still needed for references

[split osprey]

So the treasure reef ost turns ominous as soon as you swim out of the starter area right? Does anyone else hear a deep whale-like sound in that part of the sound track?

[true grove]

What are the theories on the giant krill

[faint hawk]

Yup, my assumption is that Ruby/the big ||Leviathan king kreel creature|| are making those sounds

[split osprey]

So ||the king krill|| area is a place we can eventually get to later in the season then?

[compact shale]

Ruby is such a cute name to hide the ||fact that they stare into your very soul ||

[faint hawk]

Current theory is that the big krill isn't actually a krill, it looks more like an eel so we've deemed it a kreel and named it Ruby. It's probably a huge corrupted version of a light creature like the whale mini eel or king tuna(I think it's called), we still don't know how it became like that or what its purpose is

[faint hawk]

Yes, we assume so since we can get there oob, and it seems like a place for a future seasonal quest

[split osprey]

Awesome

[true grove]

I think it's a separate species of a light creature but corrupted
Or maybe a elder krill

[faint hawk]

Yeah, we still don't know what it used to be. Could be a completely new species but it does have some big similarities to already existing light creatures

[true grove]

I don't see the similarities with the light creatures only krills

[split osprey]

It kinda look like the big whale we see in the green forest cave area, but black

[faint hawk]

The head is very different from krill since it doesn't have one large eye or spikey horns identical to krill It also lacks the krill's spindly legs and doesn't seem to have the armor plating thing that krill does. But it's got some other similarities or course, like general body shape and an abundance of random spikes

[steep delta]

I think I see a fissure at the lower front of its head like a mouth
don't remember seeing a mouth anywhere but I do see the resemblance to the tuna things bc its chonky

[faint hawk]

Yeah, that's what we're leaning more towards. That or the whale seen in sanctuary

[faint hawk]

Yes, it does have a mouth and apparently its supposed to have teeth inside too

[sharp latch]

This season contains lore so any theories/obsavations?

[sharp latch]

That was in a mural

[split osprey]

There’s been lots of connection to the refinery concept so yeah.

[hushed steeple]

nightmare material

[hushed steeple]

My theory is that it is the mother of all Krills. The "queen". Queen bees also look very different from their offspring.

[faint hawk]

That could be a possibility 🤔

[hard lava]

oh yeah cause it shows that one spirit trying to catch krill when you see it’s memories but i have no idea where the krill came from

[hushed steeple]

It would be fun knowing how did they get trapped. It looks like they are inside a big laboratory tank, being constantly observed 👀 Creepy 😣 But, it was probably just for safety measures...

[hard lava]

true… which makes me wonder why the mantas are locked up as well

[sharp latch]

the mantas are probably trapped for refinery

[hushed steeple]

The big twist would be finding out that all the creatures in Sky were made by the Spirits, even dark ones of course... Experiment gone wrong! Prairie elder makes butterflies using his own light at a cutscene so, it doesn't sound like such a crazy theory...

[sharp latch]

Top photo here show that i think?

sorry for the ping

[hushed steeple]

It's head and mouth reminds me of an Eel

[split osprey]

A bit of a stretch, but what if Ruby is an amalgamation made from the remains of the light creatures that got their light extracted?

Based off of a theory I saw that said the krills are made up of light creature remains since wasteland has a lot of bones.

[onyx shale]

Also anyone have any theories about the manta aquarium in Abyss? Maybe the ancestors used to extract their light for power diamonds

[compact shale]

Well that's basically what most of us believe but to be honest it's hard to tell until we get the other quests

[rare adder]

breaks knuckles ok here we go- it was confirmed in a stream that a great deal of inspiration for this season came from Nordic cultures. As a result, I believe the king krill (the one with spider eyes and depicted in the murals) pays homage to Jörmungandr. In Nordic mythology, Jörmungandr was a sea serpent created by Loki that grew so large, it was able to wrap around the Earth. However, in wrapping around the earth it’s tail got stuck in its mouth making it harmless. If the creature were ever able to get its tail unstuck, it would mean the end of the world.

As a result- I can only really speculate that this massive Krill holds a similar threat in that, if released from its aquatic tomb, it would’ve brought about great destruction to the surrounding world. Through previous spirit memories, we can see that our ancestors were aware of the threat that the krill possessed, so it is likely that upon discovering such a creature, they worked to find a way to contain it to prevent such a tragedy

[compact shale]

Okay... if it does get out then we need a way to shoot an ultra-focused beam of light and make it cut through its whole body super-fast

[rigid mural]

Which stream ? The one yesterday ? The only thing I learned was that the producer likes coffee ice cream lol

[compact shale]

offer them coffee ice cream to allow them to answer your question

[rigid mural]

Also fun fact, lookout scout uses the rubble to climb up to their vantage point. It's possible that if what destroyed the Golden Wasteland is close to what destroyed the buildings in the Treasure Reef, they could have been contemporaries !

[hushed steeple]

I'll try getting a close up on the eel, also I don't receive notifications from discord so go crazy with the pings.

[rare adder]

Yup! It was right towards the beginning of the stream. Probably no more than 20 minutes in

[sharp lichen]

I’m calling the king krill “Jorm” from now on

[compact shale]

we don't talk about jorm no no no no

[sharp lichen]

JORM THE WORM

[supple sierra]

I'm curious of what's beyond this giant door thingy (hopefully it'll open in one of the future quests)

[rigid mural]

You can peek through the window on the right :)

[compact shale]

||R_U_B_Y is watching||

[unborn fulcrum]

At forest, at that table do you get free light at a certain time??

At what time? 🙈

[compact shale]

#questions-and-help might be better for this question

[grim python]

Every 2 hours from XX:35 to XX:45. It’s at the same hour as the geyser so if you’re real fast you can go straight from geyser to grandma’s table

[unborn fulcrum]

Ty!

[south badger]

…maybe this is a reach, but in old concepts it has a creature made from purely the influence of human corruption, and we’ve learned that a lot of things in sky are in our minds/relating to non-physical metaphors. i think it’s less about all creatures reproducing and living long and being actual animals and adapting to environments, more about what they represent. if it looks like a new creature, it probably represents a new thing. and we know ||ruby might disappear after one of the seasonal quests is finished|| … if that’s still true, that quest might be us solving a very old problem the ancients created at crystal bay.. i dreamt about this last night LOL

[ember elbow]

||ruby?||

nvm i figured it out. great name for spoiler free discussion

[hushed steeple]

The influence part, I thought meant using darkstone. I think those creatures are physical.

Lore chat loves to give silly names to creatures

[ember elbow]

i wholeheartedly encourage this

[south badger]

it could be using darkstone, but it says it was a manifestation of force, challenge, and fear. of course this could mean nothing in canon since it’s concepts of course, but just got me thinking!

[hushed steeple]

True! I always think darkness represents instinct!

[upbeat wind]

Bruh so excited for traveler spirit

[sharp lichen]

We must discuss the lore of Dismiss.

[lapis badger]

Hi lore friends! sorry to interrupt, but real quick, i’ve been diving into lore and am using the pinned messages as a resource, and they mentioned some long documents out there that can go into intensive detail. does anyone have some links for some documents? i love reading deep into stuff, so i would very much appreciate it! thank you!

[worldly roost]

I have been thinking about this for a while, but what are the main theories on how Eden fell? I can't find anything in the past comments of this channel...

[south badger]

at one point in old concept art it says creatures used darkstone to protect themselves. wonder if that has anything to do with eden? calling it eden makes it seem like it could have been a sort of safe haven at one point, it could explain the ||light creatures we fly with at the end||

[sharp lichen]

Some believe that it’s due to RESH, the Eden Elder. His greed caused a massive surge of darkness, although we don’t know if it’s intentional or not. ALL HAIL RESH

[faint hawk]

I think the big door leads directly too the aquarium where ruby is, and opening it might release them

[worldly roost]

On the journey up Eden (Second Zone), if you look to the right once you witness the second krill cutscene, you can see the Light Creatures fly into a pipe so this kind of reinforces your idea and how there might have been infrastructure that allowed it to be a Light Haven.

[nimble ingot]

Imagine a season where instead of wind tunnels, we get pipes to travel through.
That and there could be a chance that you could run into a krill.
That would be a fun steampunk-esque season. 🙂

[worldly roost]

Being able to explore Eden and view multiple parts of the castle (That are still connected to the Realm, not in orbit, and not fully in the storm)

I am sad that they patched the ability to stand on the castle in orbit

[nimble ingot]

Side note, I had a thought about the boats in the season area, the wrecked ones.
None of them have diamonds, would this mean that some boats are like real life boats that tread water only?

On the one hand it is a bit of a shame, though I get it either way. The boat that takes you to the season area would have been in the crab field (shipwreck) area.
It is a shame there isn't a second boat there to take you too. Which not only works has a handy shortcut, but also make a stronger connection with the water only boats in the season area and the ship in the Crab field also lacking diamonds. Which makes it also one of the few boats (previously the only one) that seems to not fly, but travel by water instead.

Is that perhaps a clue to how the diamonds were being prioritised to other places in the wasteland?
So, instead of flying ships, the diamonds were used in turrets and mechanisms instead?

[hushed steeple]

I mean if slapping rocks into your cars made them fly I could see how they would become hard to resist

[faint hawk]

Okay so I just confirmed that the ||large door by the deep area goes directly into Ruby's aquarium.|| So that area has probably always been under water even before the crystal bay flooded.
The fact that ||the aquarium has a door|| makes me think Ruby might've been wild, and they somehow managed to lure it into the aquarium to capture it. If they had created Ruby themselves I see no reason for them to ||make a door that could possibly let it escape,|| unless they purposefully let it out to use as a weapon or something. The fact that they also got a krill in there is actually really interesting and something we should discuss more

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking maybe they just caught a canth or other big friend and over time, with such close proximity to darkstone it turned.

Accidentally corroded their best battery.

[fading bear]

That’s a really interesting theory.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but from the forrest temple door it seems like powediamonds are made out of wood and lightcreatures.

What if the crystals they found at the treasure reef turned out to be more powerfull (/easier to produce?? More sustainable?????) than the wood. It could be an explaination for why people first got there to build a mine.

I interpreted one of the new murals + the contained mantas as scholars experimenting with light creatures to find a way to make more diamonds.

There being a shortage of diamonds (possibly due to the war?) is a reasonable explaination for why they tried to do that (I mean, besides greed or something).

[boreal nebula]

Am I the King now?

[boreal nebula]

I think in Forest is not wood the main source, maY be I'm The only one who thinks the "dark stone" could not even be a thing in game. After all the Tearful Light Miner seemS to mine light, perhaps the crystals we see in Treasure Reef

About the lightcreatures I hope they where at a rescue center / acquarium. Finger crossed

[gleaming fog]

Who says that the trees are even made of wood? In the vault's 3rd floor, we see a tree that grows through the power of wax (white stuff) and energy (heat/light). This causes a tree to grow from the floating block.

To me that implies that the trees are artificial and may be a renewable way to make stone.

A common theme that I'm seeing is that the forest seems to be the renewable version of the wasteland. The forest has trees and imports from organic farms in the prarie, the wasteland has underground mines and imports light from the whales that they kill(ed).

[boreal nebula]

I think it's just a lighting bug because on the top they are very bright (for example with light OR texture bugs once the 2D bird looked black, it happened before/with Prophecy so Halloween used as inspiration 1 whole year later, OR 2D birds turned slightly dark on the back/head)

[boreal nebula]

I too think Starlight Desert as a distant swamp/desert land far from Isle as shown in the Switch Trailer, but I dont think that tunnels is the one, cause they seems to go towards Eden Light

I think that mural (acquarium + stairs) is not a true to reality. There are two corridors maybe (one at bay level and one middle way inside the reef)

But the 2 floors/corridors are not linked on the right of the acquarium (or maybe they were if the crumbled stairs didnt lock the passage to a B2 acquarium (after another mural suggest the structure with 4 basement floor)

[nimble ingot]

The forest temple door may show ancestors cutting down trees and others bringing in jars that supposedly contain light or butterflies to make power diamons.
I do recall though either Ash, or in a livestream, that the door might not be exact on that process.

There is concept art that shows light creatures (manta) were unfortunately part of the process of forging diamonds, that or imbuing them with power to start working (sort of like filling a battery with acid to commission them and let them charge up for the first time). That and there is the light miner that could also suggest the dark stone, which was the old name to the power diamonds from light awaits, could have come from the ground.
There is no certainty to where the dark material would naturally come from in the game.
A few ideas I had were either a material that would feed off negativity and grow like a plant, that or be a mineral that could come from deposits in the ground (like coal or gold), and lastly, a combination of factors that could be part of what was the natural cycle of the sky world. Like diamonds, or crystals they depend on heat and pressure to form and then grow.

The abyss season area may have more to say about this, based on the minecart carrying a familiar blueish dark stone. Even though it is not glowing, pulsing or reacting to light in this raw state, this could be theoretically the dark stone material that power diamonds are made of. Which could be mined and sent to the wasteland to be refined, then to forest to be forged (or charged up).

[keen shore]

I’m late but adding on to this. They needed light creatures to maintain it but their population slowly decreased from years of harvesting and corruption until there wasn’t enough left to keep it open

[fringe hare]

Does that new coat cape have power diamond buttons

[fringe hare]

No the buttons on the front. They look like tiny power crystals

[nimble ingot]

They do, tiny blue ones.
That must have been a fancy cape.

[fringe hare]

No kidding. Cool

[boreal nebula]

Yesterday maybe I was too hasty, this thing near the quest giver boat looks more like an anchor

[tulip aspen]

I'm seriously sad we didn't get a shortcut to shipwreck smh

there's no holes in these boats without diamonds? maybe the diamonds were already extracted

[nimble ingot]

The name Boatswain means, "ship's officer responsible for maintenance of the ship and its equipment."
Even though a shipwright also works on boats, they design and maintain boats. Not an officer.

The bumbling part could just tie into his personality as a being clumsy. Which gives this spirit a curious contrast.
Did he lose his job, did he quit, was he incompetent?

I wonder if the commodore was his captain, or would he be his current captain (as in he took the boatswain after he lost his job).

[rigid mural]

i like to think they're bumbling just because the memory we see of theirs just has them get hit on the head by something

[nimble ingot]

Or, these boats were made without them and they could have been wooden boats.
Wood in the game looks a lot like wood, unfortunately. Unless it has distinct planks, the wooden objects in the game tend to look a lot like a lighter colour of stone. The trees are the best example.

[tulip aspen]

thats kinda spoilery bru

i had wanted to find that out for myself when the mission came out geez

im really not in a good mood with chibifallers this season

[tulip aspen]

the tree in Vault is either holographic or completely an illusion/dream

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
OOBing is a slippery slope, and especially a bit problematic in seasons.
Spoiler tagging them would be a responsible choice, folks.

That or just wait till that part of the oob you are so proud to have broken into, is now accessible to the rest of the public.

[tulip aspen]

seriously can we just stop using chibifalls as evidence for now, cos damn

[glacial storm]

I just realized the new season mask cosmetics are the same color as the Nintendo switch launch trailer ones

[nimble ingot]

hm?

[glacial storm]

Almost the same colored masks, very interesting

[willow prawn]

Please people: if you're gonna share things you found that normal players can't reach, remember to spoiler tag It costs us nothing and allows others to find the pleasure of finding out

In the meantime, we can discuss about plenty more of mysteries

[willow prawn]

Ohh, true... But it looks the diamond part is empty

[glacial storm]

Could these island spirits be very recent spirits since in said launch trailer all of the people have the same mask coloring

[tulip aspen]

so i found this empty room that you can get into non-glitch

there's a door going further into deeper tunnels on the other side of the room that's blocked by a gate, prolly leads to a locked mission

i wondered what the room could be for, then i recognized it from the season's launch trailer

it's the room with a krill in it.

so that means krills will start spawning in tunnels that were previously safe...
and even moreso, there's a giant gate above the room.
does the krill... get released to roam the surface??

[nimble ingot]

agreed.
Let's not abuse that privilege.

Either spoiler tag it, or hold it in till the season officially reveals it.
Ixnay on the ingkay eleway

[willow prawn]

But I feel this would be a lot after because they're scavenging a very advanced structure....

Maybe they got the masks in the same way and that's why they look old and scratched

[nimble ingot]

that floor looks so nice, nice stone cobble texture with algae for colour.

[glacial storm]

There’s also a broken mask cosmetic too meaning perhaps these spirits were what remained of what happened. I mean they are out at seas farrrr from said realms

[willow prawn]

I haven't find that room yet I think

But it's true that I haven't seen any krill yet... Sounds like it'll get more dangerous

[willow prawn]

Hmm, maybe! Can be either they were too far to get affected, or they're from far after everything happened and got the remains

What I find more curious about their character design though, is how everyone has objects with those small diamonds (the braid and cape for the questgiver, the brooch in Cannoneer's cape... Etc)

[glacial storm]

I believe the diamonds could be sapphires actually because diamonds would be more white..? But there’s a ton of them and a lot of questions on their purpose, plus we see them in puzzles and activators all over the games maps so that means they are a key item

[tulip aspen]

ive been exploring every nook and cranny lolol, i still havent found the 2nd wl and i want to find it for myself

gives me my own little mission to do since TGC DOESNT ACTUALLY GIVE US MUCH CONTENT AFTER 3 MONTHS

[hushed steeple]

Teb told where the WL is....you will not find it by yourself. Maybe.

I will say, and this is not too spoilery for the WL but You might want to avoid it anyway. Does not reveal the location but ||its uncovered a way they never used for WL before||

[nimble ingot]

There are other colours for diamonds.
Aside from the clear or white variety, there are gold colours (or butter diamond), then pink or rose, blue, purple and even black.
Typically certain colours are more rare than others.

Though, sky's gems could also have some variety and dark stone could be one of them (or a close second, like lapis).

[willow prawn]

Honestly I did check a guide because a friend dragged me to the place and even then I spent 30 minutes swimming trying to find it

So happy to know there's more to find

Nooo
Jam can't avoid pressing spoiler text

[hushed steeple]

Ok those are strait up telling where it is Raider. Good spoils

[nimble ingot]

Not a spoiler, just tagged as spoiler in case anyone wants to look for them.
Though since it is it accessible from the start, it is technically not a spoiler.

[willow prawn]

I haven't seen many diamond colors... I thought they were all the same, but shine when being used

Anyone got more imput?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, It was a good use of spoiler block. But....maybe a quick mention of what type of spoil it is. If it reveals the location or is just a hint.

[rigid mural]

where's that ?

[nimble ingot]

ok, a better hint then.
||One you have to get you feet wet and try the ruins||
||The other one will leave you high and dry||

Locations are easier to look for via online search.

[young ledge]

I didn’t see that earlier but I’ll link it now!
mind it’s the old intro, the new one has no mention of this

https://youtu.be/3dNShWJ0jiY

[tulip aspen]

i found that krill room myself, ill find it eventually

[tulip aspen]

AAAA
(i didnt press it tho tg)

[keen shore]

If you’re right (you probably are, I mean this would make a lot of sense) maybe it’s meant to mirror the story of the area in the spirits’ time, like the wind paths breaking down ?? Would make sense why everyone ran if dark creatures started taking over

[tulip aspen]

the above the giant chasm where theres a GIANT MYSTERIOUS DOOR that we DONT KNOW WHERE IT GOES COS ITS MYSTERIOUS

there's a building on the surface above the chasm

you could see plants inside the building blocked by gates, but there seemed to be no way in till a found a hole on the top of the building on a corner of it

[tulip aspen]

yes maybe!!

[rigid mural]

that's where i went, and i needed to chibi fall 😂

[tulip aspen]

i literally almost clicked on it and had to use all of my mental power to realize and stop myself

dont thumbs up that smh

[tulip aspen]

nah its available without chibi
unless they didn't mean to leave that hole in the ceiling lol

[rigid mural]

send me a screen of the hole ?

[nimble ingot]

I assume you have to have monk levels of self discipline to not check YouTube videos during the start of seasons.
If so, how would you be able to prepare for any events that would sink your candles faster than the Titanic?

[tulip aspen]

my feed is currently filled with aot and halo lol, humblenoob.... isnt my cup of tea, and neither is most other sky content etiher

the only skytuber i religiously follow is skysummer, whos epic

the other skytube legends only post once or twice a month or are dead

[south badger]

i went out that hole and was like… omg i could’ve just gone in this way lol

[tulip aspen]

also for the last question, i get news via #news and hikari

[nimble ingot]

fair enough.

[tulip aspen]

knife fish knife fish

[rigid mural]

HUH. i should investigate then.

[keen shore]

I didn’t even know what this was about and I still couldn’t resist clicking on it.

[nimble ingot]

budget salmon (beta had bigger and different shaped fish)

[willow prawn]

I saw the beta fish and I'll stick with the knife fish

[nimble ingot]

would these count as the next stage for the koi fish we have in day and home, I wonder?

[faint hawk]

Wait, where'd my message go?

[faint hawk]

Sorry about that, i didn't realize I should've spoiler marked it. I'll keep that in mind from now on!
Also I know nothing about the future seasonal quests, those are the forbidden spoilers I do not dabble in. So if any of my theories or ideas end up being correct it's either by theorising skill or pure coincidence

[tulip aspen]

exactly see its not just me its not just me

@faint hawk im sorry for being rude....

[faint hawk]

No no it's fine, I should've been more careful haha. It's all good

[boreal nebula]

Eel from Old Beta is now thing

I hope we'll see other marine creatures 🐢

[faint hawk]

I managed to get in through chibi drop, and I don't think we're supposed to be able to get in there. Also I didn't watch the abyss trailer but the room immediately screamed krill container to me, so I agree that krill will probably be there and might get out through that gate up top. Unless the gate is only for viewing purposes lol

[nimble ingot]

yes ❤️
This is so cool to see a creature that was gone since light awaits, to finally come back to the game.
That thing was huge!
Bigger than the big fish/whale .

(I was not in the game back then, though did get a glimpse of the eel in old playthrough videos.)

[hushed steeple]

Honestly this mosaic eel is a lot cooler then the very bland LA eel

[nimble ingot]

I was not able to get a look at it, I mostly got clips of it flying past the cloud tunnel in dawn.
So, I was not sure what was on the eel, just a blinging white silhouette.

[hushed steeple]

I drew it already :/

[nimble ingot]

same lol

[hushed steeple]

I want to see your mosaic eel drawing

[tulip aspen]

2 things about this grave in 8p area

never noticed how the grave has marking remeniscent of the king or the Light and

those metal tablets...
they're a lot like the stone tablets in abyss...
i wonder what each mean..

[nimble ingot]

remember, this is based on old clips and not exact.
Can you share yours @hushed steeple ?
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

[faint hawk]

@hushed steeple Hi I have some light creature pictures if you want? Idk if you till need them but I thought I could send them anyways!

[amber wyvern]

Your pictures are very nice

[tulip aspen]

why do these quote links never work for me smh

holy crap lucky ive never seen pics of the in game whale that close that's amazing

also, whale eye moment?

[nimble ingot]

Try this one, it is on #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

[hushed steeple]

I've got some stuff to do before staying on for hours so in the mean time take a look at this fellows face.

[tulip aspen]

nopers just sent me to the bottom of ghe chat again but thanks for trying raider

[nimble ingot]

a bit camera shy, lol.
Would love to get a nice look at it, perhaps if it was slower, or even lets skykids hang one longer.

[hushed steeple]

:0 I really like yours! Mine is cheating since its after the thing came out

[faint hawk]

Glad you like them!
Not sure if it's an eye or not, to me it kinda just looks like a random shape on the head

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale i think my take on ancestor ascension is starting to change

its not enlightenment, it's their connection to the Light in general
that's what they need in order to ascend, and is what they seem to have lost

[hushed steeple]

what name would you give to this long fish ?

[nimble ingot]

eel
or light dragon

[tulip aspen]

it's basically just the "eel"

idk about light dragon

[faint hawk]

Benjamin

[hushed steeple]

eel xD oh no xD

[amber wyvern]

Hes just funky

[tulip aspen]

absolutely vibing

[faint hawk]

[hushed steeple]

I been going with “mosaic eel” its what im gonna dub it in the final thing. Maybe with some question marks

"Sea dragon" ? ^^

[nimble ingot]

I like that idea 👍

[hushed steeple]

"long fish" very basic x)

[faint hawk]

By the way is this creature in the mural Mr long fish or the whale from sanctuary? Or maybe Ruby?
Or could it be the alive version of cosmic mega manta from vault?

[nimble ingot]

possibly the sanctuary whale.
This was before abyss was a thing.

[hushed steeple]

or else... a creature... still unknown? Ouuuhh... (ghost sound)

[faint hawk]

Yeah, it's been there for a while, right? Still, it would be cool if it was eel boy and they had been teasing him since then. They do look kinda similar. But yeah, probably the whale

[hushed steeple]

more seriously I think it looks like the elder manta (sanctuary whale) x)

[frigid tinsel]

That happens to me sometimes. Usually if it just sends me to the channel but not the message itself, I back out of it and click the link again and it’ll direct me to the post. Might have to do it three times for it to work. Desktop and mobile.

[nimble ingot]

There couldhave been a mural for the eel.
Or just a projected image of it.

That is what makes me so happy to see the eel in the game.
That eel seemed to haven been important to the plot of light awaits.
So, either it changed and might not be the thing in the 'end game,' but it at least shows the forces at work at TGC has not forgotten or thrown away the old ideas.

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like TGC are just now reusing some of the creatures from Zhao’s concepts

[faint hawk]

I wonder what other concepts they might reuse in the future

By the way now that I look at sky with lore eyes I saw that the golden containers by geyser are by the wreckage of a boat. The containers were probably transported on the boat, maybe to or from crystal bay?

[hushed steeple]

I asked a question and received an answer of prop measurement, so now we know that crabs do vary in size.

[nimble ingot]

That has got to be the most cushy way to measure crabs. XD

[keen shore]

We should make various props units of measurement at this point

Torches for height, cushions for area, and something long I can’t think of right now for length. I would say boat but I don’t want to need an IAP to measure stuff

[nimble ingot]

bookshelf?
Or the swing?

[hushed steeple]

Also, forest mantas only come in one shape and size, and that is potato. They are the 4ft versions of manta. This is possibly due to the limited space from the trees and the constant rain as well as lack of light. They weren't able to grow up thus they evolved (realistically speaking) to only get this size.

[keen shore]

I like the swing one, I’m pretty sure that’s an assembly prop as well? I’ll go through the props I have later and see if I can find anything better. I want it to be something accessible so not locked behind a spell (like the beachball) or an IAP (boat)

[boreal nebula]

Many other places, I think.

After all we see just a couple of them in Forest Temple and GW Broken Temple beside Sanctuary, but also alot more in Shipwreck area

My theory about polluted geyser is that some dark spores infected it because this gold container hold alot of energy as accumulator or giant battery (btw I think the lights in the HF giant gold dynamo is from accumulators/containers embedded in the dynamo) so everytime there is enoipugh energy eruption all the 3 container by the Polluted Geyser start emitting hot hair together with the 5 mini craters around the main crater (not all at once, first the mini ones then the containers on the beach too) because below the sand and water there are 5 sunken containers

Random thought, how many golden containers are there on the quest giver ship?

[nimble ingot]

The table would also be a thing, though I get what you mean.
I think the boat is the biggest prop to place down, I think.

[boreal nebula]

Ooh, so some are eating better than others

[keen shore]

Yeah the boat would be perfect if it wasn’t IAP. The longer the better so we wouldn’t have to potentially use 2+ items to measure things (because that’s impossible)

And about manta evolution — it’s interesting seeing this because it confirms evolution is a thing

[boreal nebula]

Oops, before reading lore theories make me forget it again, I came here to share this meme I made
#sky-memes message
😅

[hushed steeple]

I also found out, tebkanlo, that the crystal bay mantas do probably and disappointingly have a visual glitch. But that doesn't mean they're the same as all other mantas because that's impossible. They have a unique shape of extra fins. You may be thinking "moon you're so wrong, big prairie mantas have those fins." No. They have a different shape compared to these ones. These look more adapted to swimming, you never see these leave the water. Not even the free manta.

[boreal nebula]

Today during a break I got time to edit this to translate the sky script

[hushed steeple]

This might mean that spirits with capes were different from those without capes

[boreal nebula]

On the contrary, I dont think that
Good Eye!

I womder if all mantas have these at rest but onky use them when underwater

[hushed steeple]

I don't think so, if you look at the manta in the wind paths you'll see these as well but in a different shape. This manta doesn't swim though.

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, that one about capes as symbol of prestige

But I wonder why Elders didnt have them

I think Maybe it was more an expensive choice or maybe only some were granted one by elders (tho Skater Girl case seems to diprove that)

[hushed steeple]

Now these manta do go into the water a bit. They don't have fins.

Also the capes. Maybe elders couldn't posses winged light.

[boreal nebula]

I know the shapes seem different, but what if they re like closed hands (bear the analogy with me) that they can stretch umderwater as an additional propulsion?

[hushed steeple]

...

In fact, it seems manta only have them if they fly solo more often or are fully aquatic.

[boreal nebula]

Btw, still about those tiny fins.. why do cosmic mantas dont have the finns ?(not even in the stace & call menu they have nothing drawn there)

[hushed steeple]

They are very complicated. I feel as though they might be alive and not dead, they have a design more similar to a jelly fish or light bloom rather than a spirit. And if this is true then they could have the ability to hide their pattern and stop glowing to avoid detection. Or they're actually spirit made and hold memories. The spirit that holds their call is the memory whisperer after all.

[hushed steeple]

Another piece of evidence against dead manta is the one in the starlight desert miles away from the vault. If vault was the place for dead mantas then they wouldn't be able to leave.

They don't even have the flaps on their wings. I think they're literal memories in the form of mantas.

[boreal nebula]

I wondered alot about them being dead or memories like for example the tiny cosmic manta we summon, I (still would) like to picture it as the soul of the poor manta we Have To see die by the first Krill attack in order to figure out the dangers...

But I noticed the pattern near the mantas diamond (I dont know if those are eyes) is too much regular and geometric, much like the geometric decration we see on Vault walls or on irom gratings (or from 2 SoTLP cosmetics)

This leads me to the conclusion they are artificial holograms (after all we never saw multiwing flatworms ||Even if I secretly hope we will see if go down the deepths of Abyss||)

[compact shale]

Isn't the Starlight Desert manta a regular one and not a spirit one? Also, it's probably an illusion like everything else in Starlight Desert

[hushed steeple]

No its a spirit one. Also where did this whole thing of the starlight desert being an illusion come from?

[boreal nebula]

Well, the subtitle of Starlight Desert is "where worlds collide"

[hushed steeple]

they just assume because TLP prolly aint canon

[boreal nebula]

An if we ask Ash if its canon or how much it is the answer elusive

[hushed steeple]

Ok, we have a spirit called the memory whisperer. These manta could contain memories of spirits, maybe for preservation puposes.

Its strait up “its as real as a feeling/story” don’t expect more than artsy fartsy answers, because the truth is artsy fartsy.

[south badger]

not sure if tlp is canon considering it’s based on another story that tgc doesn’t own lol

[boreal nebula]

Plus some pretty same spirits of soldiers & athletes are seen in Slouch Soldier memories, but they are not ascended if you have them ascended!

[hushed steeple]

Mine were ascended

[boreal nebula]

Plus that ↖️

[boreal nebula]

I never seen them golden in his memories, despite having 100% all realms before SoTLP

[tulip aspen]

YOUR GAME IS SO HIGH DEF WHAT

[hushed steeple]

Yeahhh. And we know theres gonna be more crossover seasons :/. Hhh they will prolly be on childrens books or shows or movies.....but I like games better. Hhhhh.

[compact shale]

Yeah collabs usually aren't canon, and TGC won't answer us on this question, so the best way to ignore it is to say it's an illusion hshshsn

[hushed steeple]

Ok, if we see another memory manta there then that'd be something

Theres gonna be more and lore chat will suffer for it more.....hehehehahaha

Ok, away from tlp. These memory mantas also have white flakes like shattered glass or stone of some sort.

“How does -insert unrelated franchise- fit into the lore? Is it real? Its totally a illusion? Right? R-right?! “

[tulip aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R3aeBfGFIctoDW1GWK-rYLaQZ57vC8dfpYK8RATU8bQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

and yes cosmic mantas are definitely just part of the illusion/dream in vault.

[hushed steeple]

But yo if they want another friendship based immortal starchild im totally up for kirby.

[boreal nebula]

More collabs? Where does this news come f?

[hushed steeple]

It was in a dev interview. Questiom was “more collab seasons?” Answer was “yeah but you cant know about them”

[tulip aspen]

still have a lot to write this year @_@

[hushed steeple]

Alright, so I'm a big fan of lore but haven't contributed much thus for. That being said, I was collecting wl in wasteland when I saw this

Does anyone know what that light is?

When I first saw it, I assumed it was the new season place, from the main island point of view, but I could be wrong

[tulip aspen]

well yes but the prince's appearance can easily be explained by saying he's just an alien, and the ascension glow research tells us that at least the droopy soldier was a real ancestor, so the spirits there are canon, but their surroundings aren't which is why it's been theorized their surroundings might be influenced by some odd 'illusion pollution' from the Vault, which would make it make a lot more sense why we access the desert from Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R3aeBfGFIctoDW1GWK-rYLaQZ57vC8dfpYK8RATU8bQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

so i still absolutely headcanon our skykid did meet the prince, but whether or not my headcanon is real i consider the theories about the desert completely relevant

[hushed steeple]

Also I have a lot of headcanon so I might become a regular here.

[tulip aspen]

that island out there is an amazing find, great job!

if only anyone else could confirm if it was always there...
realistically, tbh, it prolly was

[hushed steeple]

I also think that too! If you buy into the dreamscape theory (which I don't) then the prince might actually have contacted us but it's just in out head, kind of like a shared dream.

[hushed steeple]

This makes so much sense. All those structures were unreasonable and unrealistic even for sky. All the people there were insane and the slouching soldiers memories might even be blurring with that place. The desert is real but the structures, the colors. Those aren't real. The memory manta above might be responsible, its so out of place otherwise. Eden has a purple light there instead of the normal yellow. That is my answer, also maybe the rose garden appeared because of the little prince. Do you think our skid has something there? This manta could be reading the memories of those who enter and projecting something major to their character or important to them as a structure.

[tulip aspen]

i dont think the mindspace, which is an actual thing that happens whenever we meditate, works that way iirc

[boreal nebula]

The flickering light at far near that pinnacle?

I thought it was a seasonal area too ||on august 2020|| but there is no evidence on that anywhere...

[hushed steeple]

Its just a meditation circle, something probably not intended

[tulip aspen]

yes, fruity and i concurred that the buildings were likely illusions created out of the insane spirit's minds

however, via all of that, there was further theories that perhaps it was intentional, and that that place was an insane asylum, which honestly convolutes the possibility a lot haha

[hushed steeple]

Well, If you were to watch the beta videos of season of abyss, originally the boat that leaves from the wasteland social area was going to be on the water in that part of the map. Just saying.

[boreal nebula]

Plus someone was able to reach it passing the windwall once, but it was that circle (I once met one under floor 4 of vault too but it simply send me home)

[hushed steeple]

Confirmed, memory mantas are spirit made

[hushed steeple]

I saw someone oob there months before abyss was in beta

Alright, it's just a thought

[tulip aspen]

idk about the manta or if it's real tbh

however, i dont see why the rose gardens wouldnt be real

the shipwreck is also real too, making the spirit on his ship likely the only one not surrounded by illusions (but still insane)

[hushed steeple]

Why would the rose garden be there though. Its so out of place. and the star collectors stars could be illusions. The purple light is there at the beach too.

[faint hawk]

Oh, I play on the Nintendo switch. Is the quality worse on mobile?

[tulip aspen]

perhaps they are, or maybe they just influence his mind into him thinking they are important.
as for the rose garden, who knows.
perhaps it was the last remnant of a structure buried under the sands....

[tulip aspen]

i play on switch too but it doesnt look as good as that?? :00

[compact shale]

The rose garden? Idk if that's an illusion or not

If so, how?

[hushed steeple]

When I moved from phone to switch I went woooooah. I don’t wven know if it looks that different in hindsight

[hushed steeple]

I play on Android and the quality is abysmal. Like 30 fps on 60 fps capable device?

[tulip aspen]

yeah there's no way it would be so

[faint hawk]

That's weird, I didn't even enlarge the pictures I sent, they're just straight from the screenshot folder

[hushed steeple]

Yes, and then the princes memories could have changed its look. The purple glowing flowers seem important to solving this as well as the manta. Why would the place be purple and how would minds be read here. If I'm right about memory mantas having spirit memories and if the flowers were somehow able to mess with peoples minds then together they could do all of that.

[compact shale]

Wdym no way it would be so? Isn't the desert too barren for roses? And no those roses aren't desert roses i looked it up

[hushed steeple]

I'm looking forward to the day I can upgrade my phone. But I'm falling off track. Personally I think that because the purple light was in vault, the desert is affected by its power

[south badger]

i play on switch too and i feel like the quality is always slightly grainy

[hushed steeple]

The purple light is separate. It doesn't have mind powers I don't think

Yes, but what if it purely affected the look? No?

Eh I tried. Looks like I'm not much of lore skykid

[faint hawk]

What purple light are you guys talking about?

[dusk zephyr]

There's a similar flower in the 8 player puzzle room, but that's more transparently a reference than something we can gleam a meaning from...

[tulip aspen]

i meant that it doesnt look like itd be an illusion

it's much more solid and real and interactable than giant floating objects or a rockstar stage

[hushed steeple]

The one from season of enchantment. It's in one of the rooms in vault

[faint hawk]

Oh, the one behind the two player door?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, that one

No wait, it could have mind powers. It could have affected the flowers growth causing them to radiate the same power but more intense due to more flowers being present. Maybe the spirits intentionally used this light to grow these flowers and placed the manta there to interact with peoples memories. These flowers could be desert flowers too.

Ok now I have more important things to attend to, bye.

Just checked the Fandom, and I think rhe information there supports this theory

It, and I quote "turns day into night" and "decorates the ark with tents and lamps". it also adds a Cresent moon, but wether or not it was already there Is up for debate

Also since it holds ancient secrets, could it also hold the secret for mind manipulation and illusion power?

[compact shale]

Where exactly is that from?

[tulip aspen]

no that's a concept art for the prince and megabird back when the prince used to be more directly Sky's jesus

FOUND THE WL SUCKAS HAH

the big room where the wl is also looks like it could be a krill room

also glow spell is stupid, fix your game TGC

[compact shale]

congrats Jam :D

[tulip aspen]

the fact that glow spell and spells have no actual use tells me a staff member has never tried to used the glow spell in a dark room smh

[compact shale]

Oh, Jam, have you found Her yet?/

[tulip aspen]

w h o

[compact shale]

||yknow, Ruby||

[tulip aspen]

that's in an oob fruity

[compact shale]

yeah but did you get in?

[tulip aspen]

no lol i don't want to spoil things for myself via oob

[compact shale]

hah i see

[wind sluice]

Ok so I’m pretty sure this is just common knowledge at this point but some new stuff in abyss further proves my point that:

• we need oxygen to feed our flame, BUT light can feed it too. Proven by the plants and the bubbles restoring our energy and oxygen at the same time (plants is the same time not the bubbles, those only give us oxygen)
• water is only dangerous to our flame/light. You can’t take out your candle underwater. It’s protected by your body/shell

~ the only thing that is a bit strange is how only the rain drains our light, and not bodies of water? Idk haha

[south badger]

maybe light…. comes from the top of our head i’m joking of course but that does make me wonder why

[compact shale]

acid rain? but honestly I'm not too sure

[tulip aspen]

well we can swim on top of water without being damaged, so yeah water doesnt hurt us in general, but being submerged does due to the flame being trapped

with the rain it's a bit more obvious the rain in forest is corrupted by darkness pollution

[faint hawk]

It's interesting as well how big calls can restore breath when underwater

[compact shale]

strangely enough that doesn't drain our time

[tulip aspen]

shows that it's not breath being taken, just light

[faint hawk]

Make sense!

[compact shale]

I do wonder why deep honking doesn't drain the honker

[wind sluice]

The plants make sense because plants literally produce oxygen and they are light plants so they restore our light as well. The bubbles make sense because they are oxygen bubbles but not light creatures.. the rain makes sense because it is corrupted, and the water makes sense that our bodies are protecting it. But the deep calls? Idk those just seem to fix everything?

[tulip aspen]

cos we don't make sound with breath lol

[compact shale]

but we make it with light ?

[tulip aspen]

no, the deep call shows that we dont actually breathe, our "oxygen" meter is just the time before our flame is quenched by the water

[wind sluice]

It would only makes sense that the oxygen and light are two different needs for us. They have different bars and stuff yknow ><

[faint hawk]

Why do we sink when we honk/deep call though? Is that just a game mechanic or is there more to it

[compact shale]

Maybe light is keeping us afloat so when you honk you're voluntarily noping some light out so that you can sink?

[wind sluice]

Maybe we are letting out some air lol. But again it doesn’t even drain the bar so 💀

[tulip aspen]

our Flame makes the sound

@wind sluice anatomically as skids are shells with light inside, there's no need for them to breathe, but ofc as you say, it's still widely debatable that they might

[tulip aspen]

[wind sluice]

HEY GOOD POINT, I saw someone lose a wing underwater yesterday, and the winged light floats. Yes of course I treated it as a lore tidbit ^^

[tulip aspen]

even so why would a deep call refill oxygen?

[wind sluice]

I only say that because fire needs oxygen to continue burning, and our light is basically a flame on a candle

So I assume we breathe like, yknow, people, because of the humanoid forms and all

[flat mist]

Okay so spoilers but what do you guys think about this? Is it a language? (ft. @cursive galleon)

[compact shale]

I guess it could be giving light to the others to keep us burning, though when done underwater it almost seems like a sacrifice

Like it SHOULD drain our light in exchange

[tulip aspen]

well as a welder I'd input that oxygen isn't a flammable gas just an amplifier to other chemicals but-

[flat mist]

Fire needs oxygen

[wind sluice]

Okay u got an advantage. But like, when you cover a candle with a lid it just dies out

[faint hawk]

Good question, it sure looks like it! I wonder if we can find similar text like symbols somewhere else?

[tulip aspen]

but if the blue bar is an oxygen bar, why would a deep cal that emanates light refill an oxygen bar?

[wind sluice]

like I said, deep call fixes anything ig 😭💀

[tulip aspen]

well yes, it amplifies the flame and keeps it burning that's why i was just joking

you cant light oxygen on fire but you can feed oxygen to a chemical flame

[wind sluice]

oh yeah that makes sense haH-
The fires do start somewhere but then we just gotta keep breathing 😟😟

[faint hawk]

The "text" in the image is an 8 symbol word/words with 8 symbols combined. After that it just keeps repeating so I'm guessing it's just something simple to describe it's function or something

[compact shale]

I don't really know if we're breathing, I assume when we're above water our orifices are able to get enough o2 for us

but then underwater we're slowly getting extinguished and light starts noping out of us so...

[tulip aspen]

i still think it's a bit more nuanced than just breathing but kami and i already reduced it to a dead stalemate topic
(im sorry kami)

[wind sluice]

yeah when you get down to HOW they take in oxygen, it’s just pure opinions at that point. Some people think there’s noses or mouths and all, other ppl are like haha eyes go breathe haha

[compact shale]

Oh, oh, here's a clue to the breathing fiasco

#cozy-sky-discussion message

[hard delta]

I am not sure if anyone said it but I'd just like to point out that this fishy looks like smaller and not corrupted version of Ruby, okay bye

[south badger]

classic there cannot be balance without chaos dynamic except it’s breathing air

[compact shale]

why is there a hibiscus react

[wind sluice]

yeah

^ because flowers r cute

[pseudo heart]

It seems to be the same glyphs used in the Golden bells around the realms. Clearer pics of the glyphs (from bells) are compiled here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nSKhrpnzW95SOx4-x4fB924IbS9Swiah011-f_pqHgw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[compact shale]

did that clue unlock any new epiphanies

[wind sluice]

naur it’s just exactly what we been thinking 😭

Interesting wording though

[flat mist]

OKAY SPOILERS BUT || okay so you know how I showed pics of the inside of the tower in abyss and there was a gate at the bottom? I figured out that theres a gate that connects to it in the round room at the Leviathan tank!!!! aaaa!!||

[tulip aspen]

OOOOOO

[compact shale]

any new epiphanies, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

nah not really but im glad they confirm im right 😌

[compact shale]

about what exactly

[wind sluice]

What exactly are they confirming ><

[flat mist]

I HAVE HAD AN EPIPHANY AAA
with the tower and gates and tank!!

[tulip aspen]

you heard tethy

they responded to a question about breathing with "light needs to shine".

it proves it's just about the Flame, the Light

@compact shale aaaaaaaa

so muchhh

it'll take me until like late spring at this point......

[compact shale]

Why the King and Megan shouldn't be the First... what?

[faint hawk]

I wanna know too

[tulip aspen]

it's an opinion article i need to make about why i hate all the popular lore docs

[compact shale]

oh OH

aight

[faint hawk]

Who's Megan

Definitely not a lore moth asking

[compact shale]

an inside nickname for Megabird

[tulip aspen]

the megabird is the entity in Orbit, a giant mass of Light energy that all Light Beings come from and belong to
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

it's called megabird by lore vets because the entity is named that in concept arts, and people love personifying the megabird as some sort of god

[hushed steeple]

Megabird.

....

Holy spaghetti

[compact shale]

slurpsloopslurpsluuuuuuuuuurp

[flat mist]

Maybe we should start a doc with all of the glyphs and common symbols in sky?

[pseudo heart]

Feel free to ! A doc for the Vault Texts also exists
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IX5VDRQXrVjY0hiBvU9AJAswxqtgSr2FlqCaiyivW3Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[flat mist]

*meganbird

[graceful lance]

I noticed that in the Nintendo trailer that the characters we follow are traveling across a fast plain, it appears to be apart of the Isle of Dawn, so perhaps the seas rose. Which could also be why there are structures under the water of the Treasure Reef. It's something I noticed, probably nothing lore related but I figured I'd point this out.

[pseudo heart]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Abyss may have two different timelines 🧍

[graceful lance]

wait what?

[compact shale]

What?

[graceful lance]

PLEASE EXPLAIN, that sounds very interesting

[sharp lichen]

ALTERNATE TIMELINES??????? UHH

[pseudo heart]

No no, not alternate timelines, just that Abyss uncovers two timelines in Sky lore

[steep prawn]

how about krills?

[sharp lichen]

What does this mean?

[graceful lance]

Please explain, it sounds very very interesting

[compact shale]

Like, it branches off to two possible timelines of Sky?

[pseudo heart]

My take is that we're dealing with two timelines, the mural/pre-sunken island and scavenger(season)/post-sunken island. I feel like the scientists/scholars in the mural timeline have long ascended/gone/fled/died before the scavengers arrived leaving it in a ruined state until the arrival of our seasonal spirits, which were caught up with what what ever prevented spirits to ascend during the main Sky timeline

[tulip aspen]

i mean here's my krill analysis doc if you wanna glance at it lol
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDfirXPurGw4Trp82xKkH43Rk99DCG6wHRLhcI3xWTo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[compact shale]

Ohhh

You mean that the scavenger spirits are a lot closer to the present than usual?

[steep prawn]

Thank you i shall enjoy this

[pseudo heart]

Murals in the area suggest that parts of the island that are currently sunken were once above water which were definitely not the case now and how our seasonal spirits interacted with the map soo

[hushed steeple]

Guys just look at this, tell me it doesn't look like the starlight desert. And the whole purple light thing makes sense with spirit or memory mantas being associated to memories. I have a few pics I want to show just give me a second.

[graceful lance]

Interesting, I think that is most likely the case

My theory is that the sailors (I call the group of spirits the Abyssal Sailors) rediscovered a long forgotten temple, lost to time.

[graceful lance]

It really does lol

I think its just the lighting though

[compact shale]

I think the Abyss scavengers might have survived the Storm longer than usual and were able to scavenge the place for some time before they died.

[hushed steeple]

No, its not.

Have you noticed how so many objects in the starlight desert are made of sand?

[pseudo heart]

A temple.. ahah, like how they call power diamond factories.. I think the Treasure reef was once one of those but at a larger scale. I don't think the scavengers even care about the history of the island at all, they're probably as clueless as us Skykids since even they, were outsiders. Just here to loot the area

[compact shale]

If Starlight Desert is a dream/illusion, then that could make sense. Sand is associated with dreams after all. Maybe the big lantern pulls the sand in place?

[hushed steeple]

The purple light from enchantment might have more to do with this

[compact shale]

maybe...

[hushed steeple]

Gonna post part 3. YO DON’T CLICK THIS IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE THE BIG LEVIATHAN DESIGN

[steep delta]

this is so very nice
thanks for making these

[pseudo heart]

Came to admire big boi timothy. Was hurt seeing coral turtle

[hushed steeple]

Heres a version without it

[tulip aspen]

omg ur amazing

manatee has big horns lmao

[hushed steeple]

I will refuse to draw one without big horns

Look, this patch of life is out of place. Why is Eden glowing purple. Why are these bars here and what are they for.what is up with this memory manta and why is it only out sometimes. Why is this singular flower in the middle and why do the flowers glow purple. Why only one candle stack.

Look, these items are made of sand, these spirits have chains around them, look at him, what is he counting.

[steep delta]

pretty sure the story of that season gravitates toward the original tlp
so some things may not be very relevant to the overall story of sky
and the whole area was very glitchy and laggy overall, so I doubt they were able to perfect it
so there may be inconsistencies or mistexture ig

[hushed steeple]

All of them have chains, this spirit is seeing these things that disappear when he gets close (you can see that my spirits are ascended btw). He sees these 3 spirits that don't seem to be anywhere else in the game, look at his reaction to seeing them, these spirits must be his family. He wants to forget, forget what? He's ashamed, ashamed of what? He's taunted by these memories, something must have happened. Why does he also see these stars. What do they represent.

[steep delta]

i can't really say though, since the story associated with the seasonal spirits did seem like they were related to the stories of the regular sky spirits

[hushed steeple]

You weren't here when we were talking about it earlier. Some stuff could have happened. These people are basically insane and they aren't seeing what's here because of the purple light and the memory manta.

Yeahhhh...when the stars are people owning them gets a loooot straaanger.

[steep delta]

alright
ill read up

[hushed steeple]

TLP’s biggest lore contribution was making booze canon 🍻

[compact shale]

But are we even sure any of it is canon? This is a collab, after all.

[tulip aspen]

"we need to avoid the copyright infringement after the contract for the crossover ends, what do we do"

Director: your color is mine

||tlp sucks||

[round parrot]

Hey lore chat! What's the topic for today?

[compact shale]

So... we have no idea HAAHAHAHAH

[tulip aspen]

so... just the story of sky in general then

[peak onyx]

Hello, good afternoon,
Excuse me, I've started to investigate a little Sky but I don't know what the religion they followed would be.
Someone knows?

[keen shore]

You know it’s not real because the spirits actually tell you things instead of gesturing vaguely and expecting you to figure it out. Yes I am mad at every other spirit

[steep delta]

lmao truth

[compact shale]

death messes with your vocal cords /hj

[hushed steeple]

Megabird n King. Maybe left following megabird to follow king?

[tulip aspen]

well no, they are talking to the prince

so, more canonically speaking, them interacting with the prince isn't canon, but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't

however, imaginarily speaking, perhaps the prince is influencing them to talk in the prince's language
imagine if we could get the prince to ask all of the rest of the spirits about their stories so we can get more lore

also I just remembered, the flight guide also "speaks"
and shes canon

[keen shore]

Terrifying head canon. What if the ||leviathan’s|| “eyes” are just a huge patch of sludge growing on its face and blinding it. I mean, would explain why we can’t find any skulls with that many eye sockets

[compact shale]

Hahahhaha

imagine needing another smol boi to get spirits to confess their deepest sins

[keen shore]

I can’t believe this. They’ll talk to a weird guy from space but not us? Even worse

[hushed steeple]

||I was looking at the canth compared to it too and just thinking “where do the eyes come from?” If canth was uncorrupt leviathan. It makes sense why the eyes are so scattered and have no pattern. It looks like how a fungus spreads||

[compact shale]

||eden rocks make really good pseudo eyes||

[keen shore]

||reminds me of a weird corruption of a Greenland shark||

[compact shale]

||OH YEAH FUN FACT RUBY IS APPARENTLY THRICE AS LONG AS A KRILL||

[hushed steeple]

Also fun thing. The angler is a corrupted light creature from part 2. I mean thats all fan stuff but-

I just made a huge thing over the starlight desert and it was too long so I'm gonna make a doc or something

[hushed steeple]

Ping me when you do! (I have all other notifications turned off.)

[tulip aspen]

ooo ping me too 👀 👀 👀

[hushed steeple]

@tulip aspen @hushed steeple this is it, its wordy, and its nice probably. I'm sure it could use some touch ups here and there, but I'm fine with it.

Now, who else knows about the two blind manta species.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, did I do the ping right. Just need to be sure I did. Sorry if youre reading and I'm interrupting.

Damn man, you're good.

[hushed steeple]

So what do you mean by blind manta species?

I couldn't have come to the conclusion without the help of those around me

Yeah, good thing the purple light powers lined up with the theory we were working on.

[hushed steeple]

Here's one of the species

[compact shale]

Wow.

Don't smell flowers kids. Don't even think about it. /j

[hushed steeple]

Oh those guys.

Both the big mantas that take you to the final bell. They're blind

Aren't all manta blind?

No, they have eyes. Most of them.

[compact shale]

which part is the eye

[frigid tinsel]

the new "are skykids blind?" is "are mantas blind?"

[hushed steeple]

White dot. They got one on each side

[hushed steeple]

The white diamonds on both sides

[compact shale]

hm. That's a trippy way to see. idk how that would actually work.

[hushed steeple]

Its the only way for something that flys while flipping around constantly

Alright, found this diagram in my sky folder, I think it demonstrates the 'eye' aspect quite well, or the lack of them.

[tough cargo]

Lads lads, just realized something. When looking around underwater in the new seasonal area, Therese one underground room where mantas are held hostage. If you look around the area above that room you shall see a mural that shows people luring in those mantas and trapping them. There is another mural that showed a bunch of rooms all leading down to the King Krill. I also noticed that the people in one of those murals appeared to have the vault masks.

My point? The sprits in Vault explored that area trying to learn more about the mantas

[hushed steeple]

Its like how our eyes work, except the perrifaral (how to spell) is up and down instead of part and right

I think the only light creature with 'eyes' are the elder manta/whale

[compact shale]

DOES ANYONE HAPPEN TO KNOW A CREATURE WHO SEES LIKE THIS IRL

[tulip aspen]

oh wow lol great statement on that version of the theory!

[hushed steeple]

No

[tulip aspen]

its much more obvious in the cinematic trailer that they have an eye

[compact shale]

those pictures are BRIGHT

the BRIGHT is hiding important details from US

[hushed steeple]

The eel photo, look closely at its face, tiny eyes.

Yeah man the concept mantas have the stone beaks.

[hushed steeple]

Yes but a lot of them have glowing eyes that you can make out if you look close enough

[hushed steeple]

I agree with you that the light dragon (what I call the creature from the trailer) does have an eye and the elder whale/manta also has an eye, I'm just questioning what we should consider an eye.

Neither “whales” have eyes....?

They both have carved parts in their face bones though.

[hushed steeple]

Well in that case the sleepy boat traveler doesn't have eyes as what seem to be eyes on mantas wouldn't be eyes if we go by your standards. And the boat traveler has those same diamond eyes. (This is not rude, I'm Sorry if it sounded rude)

[tulip aspen]

indeed, only the cinematic creature has an eye, unless they just didn't add the eye in game to both whales because we're not supposed to be that close to their face anyways

[hushed steeple]

Mosaic eel might have eyes but they also kinda look like silly bubbles on its chin

[frigid tinsel]

schrodinger's eye

[hushed steeple]

This sounds rude and I'm so sorry, I didn't know how else to explain it.

[compact shale]

||or something something eden||

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, this all speculation and deduction from the evidence we have. Don't worry about it man.

I guess technically mantas have 2 eyes. But when you remember the prairie ones have mouths they start to have very odd faces

0

0

I understand that you're just trying to make as much sense of this world as I am. Of course we're going to disagree and smooth out some details.

Ok, to summarize it, eyes, typically, are glowing. They can be round like ours or diamonds like mantas. The only creatures that don't have eyes are the small mantas with fins and the big sanctuary mantas with horns.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, they do....................

I still think whale and canth donMt hve eheballs

[tulip aspen]

they have mouths in Prairie specifically?

i think i recall them having mouths in the cinematic too, can anyone confirm or deny?

[hushed steeple]

They prolly do prarie ones are just the ones i remembered first

[compact shale]

eheballs

beautiful

[hushed steeple]

NOBODY EVER TOLD ME THOSE SKY KING FROGGING SKID-NAPPERS COULD EAT US!!!!!!!!

Yeah....but it looks more like...a blowhole.

[compact shale]

I sure hope we're not made of plant matter

#general-sky-discussion message

[hushed steeple]

Ooohhhhh

Eyes usually glow. Or look like a different texture than bone.

Show me manta mouth, also who's ready for dismiss tomorrow. I am.

[hushed steeple]

#screenshots-and-videos message

[hushed steeple]

I think for the ceolecanth it just developed different eyes because if it was blind and had that eye hole then its slacking on its head protection for noe reason.

Where is the canth eye?

Those mantas do still have eyes on the bottom

[hushed steeple]

Did you see the diamond at the top?

[tulip aspen]

WHOA
TRIPPY

[hushed steeple]

Ohh. The hole. Yeah. I don’t think its an eye. Might be used for locpantionnor somthns

Location or sometnnsneanana

Something

[hushed steeple]

Its hard to notice because its on the bottom and they don't stop, they even purposefully pick you up.

Just checked the trailer and I think it confirms that mantas do have eyes. Other than, you know, the entire last half hour chat saying that.

Look, not my photo, but this manta has horns and is blind. Echolocation?

[compact shale]

possibly

[hushed steeple]

Also the mouth looks so cute!

[frigid tinsel]

game pls why

[hushed steeple]

It would be so nice to have 3d models of all the manta in game models. Labeled based on where they're found because, sanctuary medium manta vs valley medium manta is a little tricky for some people

[hushed steeple]

I actually have a couple of pictures saved that might interest you, I'll dm them when I find them

REALLY!!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

it's possible TGC devs didn't render eyes cos they'd be too small to be considered worth it or they couldn't with mobile phones cos it does not make any sense for a creature that can fly to not have eyes. even with echolocation, you need some vision to navigate the skies cos there is nothing to echolocate off of

[hushed steeple]

Sure! I haven't shared a lot of stuff I have dug up. Of course, you could have already seen them....

[hushed steeple]

So, would they not be able to see upcoming landmasses?

[frigid tinsel]

even bats are able to see, despite popular misconception. they're not blind but their vision is rather poor

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but these aren't birds nor mammals, they're fish they even fly in such the same way as fish.

[frigid tinsel]

if they were blind they wouldn't be able to see upcoming landmasses, yes, or even know where to go. sight is very useful to navigate

[frigid tinsel]

even fish have sight.
also mantas irl are mammals iirc

[tulip aspen]

they are??

[frigid tinsel]

manta rays irl give birth to live young so yea they're mammals
no i didnt need to double check that

[compact shale]

yep

but sky mantas are born from the clouds so we don't care about that

[hushed steeple]

Even some snakes can live birth. Gotta have milk to be mammal.

And also not have eggs

[keen shore]

Any thoughts on why the guides do this pose thingy ?

[hushed steeple]

Are they warm blooded and have hair? If not then no, they aren't mammals.

[keen shore]

🥥 for anyone curious about what constitutes a manta here is an example

Edit: I mean MAMMAL

[compact shale]

wait
mantas have hair?

[hushed steeple]

I mean.

Well.

Its the most mamally food of all

[hushed steeple]

Thats why I said and not have eggs

Wait can I classify coconut as an egg?

[keen shore]

But we’re mammals and have eggs, they’re just not the hard shelled crack em open for a child kind

[hushed steeple]

No no no not here please

[frigid tinsel]

I really don't care about mammal or reptile classification cos it's such a mindsore over classifications due to the outliers and i'm not interested in that.

@hushed steeple blind sea creatures are usually blind because they live in the deep dark, as in so deep in the ocean that light cannot reach down there, meaning making and having eyes is a waste of energy that is so difficult to gain down there due to scarce food sources. so like the 5 blind fish are blind because there's no light to see.
Sky mantas are surrounded by light, bathing in light, so eyes would be useful to have.

[hushed steeple]

You know what I mean don’t make myself toss on more adjectives

Guys I solved it.

We are pretty low on mammal rep for sky critters though :/ cloud deer is a lie

[frigid tinsel]

some fish are mammals tho.
again i really don't care about classifications and terminology cos it's such a mess

[hushed steeple]

No fish are NOT mammals.

Theres fish-y mammals.

[keen shore]

Wait would mantas count as seafood in the sky world? And if so, does this mean the dismiss spirit likes to eat mantas

[frigid tinsel]

some fish are mammals

[hushed steeple]

I mean. If you describe fish as water only animals, I guess.

Stuff like this is why I like to say bugs instead of insects.

Ah now this is better than echolocation. Even bees use it.

[frigid tinsel]

again, cos the classifications of animals is so ucky wucky, you could argue that a rabbit is a fish, so i really don't care about categorical terms. but outright saying "fish are never mammals" is wrong because of the wuckyness

[celest spoke]

There is actually such a thing as a rabbitfish

and sea bunnies

[hushed steeple]

Sorry if I sounded rude. But yeah, there are some animals that blur the of what's a mammal and what's a fish, but the distinction is that mammals breath air while fish breath water through gills that filtrate water into oxygen. Now iirc crabs are considered a hybrid cause they need water and air to survive.

[hushed steeple]

I guess you could argue for that point some more, but it's so trivial that's its worthless to argue about it.

[hushed steeple]

I beg your pardon sir but The facts don't lie.
Now could you actually research a bit more, maybe correct people kindly, instead of barging in here with information from your uncles Facebook account.

[frigid tinsel]

what even are these sources?

[hushed steeple]

Sources from research during the modern era

[frigid tinsel]

this looks like Google and Google is not a source

[hushed steeple]

This is not very sky at all....

But im kinda curious what fish apparently counts as a mammal

I'm also interested and I am emotionally invested in this.

Of course google is not a source it holds websites that are sources.

[frigid tinsel]

yes i did not come here to argue about terminology

[celest spoke]

Now I wanna argue from the POV of what counts as “fish” by old Catholic Lenten dietary standards: baby rabbits were fish, beaver tails were fish, capybara were fish…

[tulip aspen]

its fiiiine

[hushed steeple]

So the definition of a fish would just be something water only based as opposed to like.....its blood regulating method or if it has milk. Never heard that description, but neat.

Its like saying a tulip is a carrot

[hushed steeple]

if they feed their babies milk, theyre mammals

[tulip aspen]

guysguysguysguysguys

[hushed steeple]

Which means fish aren't mammals

some fish are mammals tho

[hushed steeple]

Exactly my point! Are they both plants? Yes. Are they the same genus? No.

[celest spoke]

Pigeon crop milk— you gotta specify lactation thru mammary glands y’know

[hushed steeple]

Now we need to stop before the mods step in

[tulip aspen]

hey yall look how low res these clouds are maybe its lore ||pls dont fight guys||

[hushed steeple]

Jam yells at clouds

[frigid tinsel]

today in lore chat: brain rot

[tulip aspen]

i wonder what the sumbol meane

[hushed steeple]

I agree.

try not to use absolutes. words like "sometimes" "most" "a lot" works best

[keen shore]

OH IS THAT THE

[hushed steeple]

Its paries old face

Old mask

Even though I always thought it looked more like isles

[hushed steeple]

Clouds are actually dark creatures because in wasteland their green and since the clouds might all be connected they have evil wasteland air so they're dark creatures and are related to boats.

[keen shore]

YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE JAM I CANT BELIEVE I MANAGED TO MISS THIS BEFORE

[tulip aspen]

dont expose me

also i know ur right but can we see a pic kami i wanna compare if it changed much

[compact shale]

Tfw you recycle your old face and stick it on your temple

[celest spoke]

Naked mole rats tho— hairless and cold-blooded and yet

[hushed steeple]

It must be the trend cause Teth did it too

[keen shore]

I will literally over analyze a brick but ignore a massive season symbol right on the door of a temple. I can’t believe this
Also I know it could be prairies old mask but keep in mind, it could be ALL THREE

[tulip aspen]

there's actually been theories I've seen about mantas being born from clouds... just because they come out of them

[hushed steeple]

I mean they're soft, but not that soft.

[hushed steeple]

It actually was in a dev livestream. The launch livestream.

Alright, it's way past time to go to bed. Have a good night everyone! Good lore building.

[hushed steeple]

Then forest must be a
gasp
Furry..........
Oh my jar why did I just type that with my own two hands.

[tulip aspen]

they... said so?
uhhhhhh

[keen shore]

I mean out of the all the elders to have a fursona, somehow the forest elder makes the most sense

[hushed steeple]

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO RIGHT!!!!!!

Something like....”light creatures are born from light and the way the molecules come together in the clouds” or something. The idea being something about light makes them, prolly not just clouds alone.

[frigid tinsel]

it would make sense for the Lightseekers' symbol to be on the Prairie temple cos ancestors collected light in Prairie

[hushed steeple]

Forest elders temple has a wolf mask on it.

[celest spoke]

Forest elder’s hair based on a nine-tailed kitsune iirc

[south badger]

:0

[tulip aspen]

kk thanku kami

[hushed steeple]

Granted I think current Teth would totally beat up concept teth....

does the animal elder bosses mean all elders had a furry phase?

NO I JUST MADE MY JOKE BECOME A REALITY!!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

current Forest Elder would smash concept Teth with their hammer. Forest Elder for Smash

[keen shore]

Further confirmation to the horrible idea that hermits fur might just be a fursuit maybe that’s why they’re outcast from civilization

[past shard]

ihohggyu

[frigid tinsel]

there's nothing wrong with being a furry

[hushed steeple]

No one dare say yeti isnt a real yeti

It doesn't help that all but one of the gratitude spirits are based off of animals. Its the one normal friend in the group.

[keen shore]

There are even entire animal masks for some jobs. Not only are all the elders furries, they’re trying to make everyone else furries as well.
(And yes alasdair I know I am one)

[hushed steeple]

Anyway-

[frigid tinsel]

i had to mod a server where blokes would make "furries bad" jokes all the time and i had the shut it down, i'm on edge sorry

[past shard]

the new season spoilers ||im new so i might be late but how much do we know minus that from what i can tell, the area uses creatures of light as source for the mining factory but was built on top on big creature that attacked||

[hushed steeple]

I had a phase of my own but got bored so I decided to become a humanoid god.

I mean the pfp kind gives it away.

Wait why are you looking at-
NO WAIT ITS NOT LIKE THAT!

[hushed steeple]

I need this animated

[celest spoke]

The Abyss plants are really interesting as combo of burnable dark plants and the glowy shelf funguseseses

[past shard]

oooo yes yes

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm, I wonder if they're a distant ancestor of the light version of dark plants that had to evolve due to flooding.

[frigid tinsel]

dark plants corrupted seaweed

[hushed steeple]

So, Hmmmmmm?

[frigid tinsel]

all those animals have eyes tho

[hushed steeple]

They dont, I just- Y'know what...... Nevermind

[frigid tinsel]

for someone who praises web searching so much, I reccommend you look up pictures of those animals and come back

[celest spoke]

I mean both the Abyss underwater plants and the terrestrial dark plants technically recharge us but we have to destroy the dark plants to do it, and they convert to wax

[hushed steeple]

Sir, these aren't one to one replicas of mantarays.

[past shard]

they can see better through echolocation, like bats/beluga whales, helps to see environment. honestly this makes sense, since when we "call" the wave hits them causing them to respond

[frigid tinsel]

it helps but they don't rely on it, it supplements their ability to see visible light

[tulip aspen]

oi
don't make me change the subject again

[hushed steeple]

Electro location even included rays.

[frigid tinsel]

you're not the one pinging me and dissing me as bad as their "uncle's facebook page" so
look, i want these blokes to leave me alone

[keen shore]

Another Direction sensing thing we can consider is geomagnetism (I think that’s what it’s called. You know, the thing pigeons have) it wouldn’t be perfect but they’d be able to discern direction pretty easily

[hushed steeple]

It said seeing without eyes meaning they don't need eyes for that to worm.

[tulip aspen]

alasdair, you seem in a really bad mood, please

[celest spoke]

But is a hot dog a sandwich

And is a vanilla soy mocha latte a four-bean soup

[keen shore]

Hold on let me check something

[tulip aspen]

family friendly server /j

aww i was jokiiing

[hushed steeple]

HOW COULD YOU!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU STAND WHERE HE ONCE STOOD!!!!!!!

[tulip aspen]

what

[hushed steeple]

I dunno its what my brain told me was funny

[tulip aspen]

this artist is making me wish spirits had actual depth la sigh

[hushed steeple]

Now, what if these manta had to lose their sight to increase their hearing and listening, rendering them blind and leading them to need a new way to sense where things are and thus evolve those horns/spikes that might do one of 2 things, electro location or what the magnetism one was(I can't remember the name)

[keen shore]

So all the animals with electrolocation are solely aquatic, which makes sense because water conducts electricity better. Maybe there could be an alteration to this rule because of the sheer amount of clouds in the sky, or following the head canon some have that mantas used to be solely aquatic they wouldn’t have evolved out of it yet. Either way, electrolocation probably wouldn’t be functional in the sky, although it’s not entirely out of the question for it to be useful underwater. Still, if these mantas are indeed blind they probably wouldn’t be able to rely on electrolocation alone.

I can’t find any information on if the sense somehow needs eyes to work but I’m still looking.

[frigid tinsel]

bees

[keen shore]

Ah damn you’re right

[hushed steeple]

Im sorry for being rude earlier. I was getting a bit frustrated, I shouldn't have been mean or said rude things. Sorry.

[keen shore]

WAIT IM STILL RIGHT. Looked it up and apparently bees can’t make the electric pulses but they can detect them good enough for it to be notable

[hushed steeple]

Wait, so what was the other thing, geomagnetism or smth?

[keen shore]

Hold on, I called it the wrong Name the first time and I can’t remember the right one

[hushed steeple]

Yes, it was

[keen shore]

MAGNETORECEPTION!!

[hushed steeple]

Their blindness also explains why they dwell so close to the ground, and because of the fact they dwell so close to the ground instead of up in the clouds, they evolved stronger back fins/wings to still be able to fly easier solo.

[hushed steeple]

THIS WORKS!!!! It explains how and why they know the way to the bell so well.

[keen shore]

Oh yeah, the bell would make sense even without it, because it seems to produce pretty strong sound vibrations. Although they might run into a rock along the way without it.

The only issue with magnetoreception is that as far as I know it doesn’t give a heads up as to obstacles in your way. Mantas do call a lot, maybe they use that as echolocation when they sense they’re near land.

[hushed steeple]

Probably, and sanctuary is really loud too

Now, what about these guys, they only stay in this small location.

[keen shore]

Also keep in mind because I feel like it’s necessary for this discussion, chimes are well known in general to summon birds and mantas and I think from the chimesmith’s blurb have to be at a specific frequency to work. Maybe the same mechanism allowing echolocation carries over into affecting their behavior via sound frequencies.

My working theory as to how the chimes get them to come over is that both mantas and birds are social animals, and the chimes sound and feel vibration wise like their calls. Also note that coelacanths and elder mantas, seen only as solitary creatures, do not respond

[hushed steeple]

By elder manta I hope you're not referring to that giant memory manta in vault because there's strong evidence that suggests they could be artificial.

[hushed steeple]

Im referring to all vault mantas btw

Wait, the fins are more paddle like, and they don't have The flaps like other manta do. Interesting.

[tulip aspen]

what exactly is the evidence btw

[hushed steeple]

Its in this

Its not that well written tbh

[tulip aspen]

yes i had already read that

your evidence was.... it moves in patterns, and it "doesn't do much"

oh sorry, it also "jitters around" 'weirdly'

[keen shore]

Those are babies so that’s probably a safe area. Maybe the sanctuary spirits often fed them there or predators are afraid of people and don’t go near the populated islands.

Also keep in mind that the mechanisms that drive evolution in this world are currently unknown to us. Predators might not even have existed. The animals may not have needed to eat or to avoid predation. The only confirmed variances can be explained away by a need for ease of movement, such as the smaller mantas to avoid trees in forest, which doesn’t quite help us much. In fact, for all we know, the mantas could slowly shift their shapes to accommodate their new region — after all, they are born from cloud vapor. Maybe they keep that adaptable form.

Also, this is an elder manta.

[hushed steeple]

Yup, I think I lost track of what I was saying partway through.

[hushed steeple]

ALOLAN MANTA!!!

[tulip aspen]

i still dont think the elder sanctuary creature, is a manta

i find it hard to believe any of the creatures 'grow' or 'evolve', but the pygmy version of the great manta that we see being healed in flight proves that they do grow (but not evolve)

[keen shore]

Biology is hard to talk about here in definitive terms because we just don’t have much evidence to go off of.
And yeah, I’m kind of iffy about it being a manta, but it seems to be the common name so I use it so others know what I’m talking about lol. Can’t really call it “big guy with many fins”

[tulip aspen]

no, people used it cos one person claimed that was the canon name, and it spread like toxic wildfire smh

in concepts it's called the "elder", and that's all we know

it's the sanctuary elder creature, or Elder Whale, compared to the basic Whale

[hushed steeple]

This is very true. But I think that the best we can do for know is to list what each variation is used for based off of location, action, and look. Guessing the way they evolved is just a fun thing to do.

[keen shore]

Oh, I see. Didn’t realize. Is there a way to distinguish it when we’re talking about it from the more humanoid elders? Or is calling it an elder whale the closest thing we can get to its shape right now?

[tulip aspen]

elder whale unfortunately

ive been calling it elder sanct creature

there was this whole lore arc where i went insane about it for 2 weeks, vela kept meming me lol, surprised you didnt hear about it

"ITS A WHALE
THATS THE REAL WHALE

THE SMALLER THING ISNT A WHALE I SWEAR, IT CANT BE

GIVE ME SOLID EVIDENCE ITS A WHALE, YOU CANT- oh, it's canonically called that- "

[hushed steeple]

The elder creature

[keen shore]

Keep in mind they could also have been selectively bred. The smaller forest mantas glow brighter in a more compact shape, maybe they were bred to be smaller and keep the same amount of light so they would take up less space but still have the same light yield.

[hushed steeple]

I never thought about that. And the way the manta guides you. I guess I just never thought they could be domesticated.

[keen shore]

We could give it a human name like Ruby to avoid all the weird classification debates but then we’d have to explain what it is to each newcomer, so not as accessible as I’d like…

And domestication is a bit of a weird subject here. It could be that light creatures are just naturally friendly to other light or neutral creatures to begin with

[tulip aspen]

hmmm

it makes sense, but

[hushed steeple]

"Selectively bred" " just friendly"

[tulip aspen]

yea ruby only worked because beta did that already

[keen shore]

Domestication requires centuries of selective breeding and I’m not really sure if mantas can undergo that to begin with to be honest

[hushed steeple]

This was me 5 seconds ago being torn against two seemingly conflicting phrases said together. Until my life was enlightened.

[keen shore]

Plus domesticated animals look REALLY different from their wild ancestors. There’s a whole list of common traits caused by domestication across species. I feel like we’d notice the difference from wild mantas, but it could be they got wiped out, like what happened to aurochs. Still… who knows if they even CAN be bred

[hushed steeple]

I like memory manta better than spirit manta or cosmic manta because could we really be certain they're even dead manta spirits or from outer space. There isn't any evidence for that, and the bones by the baby memory manta don't count because the skulls too big, and any of the manta could be the one we saw die. But memory manta, its better because we have the memory whisperer.

[keen shore]

Keep in mind one of the meditation quests was called “meditate with the spirit mantas” so it is a canonical name. It recently got changed to “meditate at vaults entrance” though. Plus, the vault manta call spirit is also called a memory whisperer, so could go either way.

[hushed steeple]

Now spirit manta. If these manta were to hold onto spirit memories, then both names would work.

Oh also, the small mantas are probably referred to as lights seeing as the spirit with their call was called the light whisperer. This might be because of how white they are compared to other mantas. In fact they're so different from those mantas a spirit might end up thinking its a completely different creature, thus giving it a different name.

[keen shore]

Yeah I could see that, like what happened with maggots

OR maybe the light is just the term for baby mantas. You know, like the equivalent of puppy for a manta

[hushed steeple]

Remember, it still isn't confirmed that they can reproduce. They might actually be that short instead of being a kid, assuming that a short manta is a kid is rude and is deserving if an apology.

[keen shore]

Is there any evidence that the lights turn into grown mantas? They look very similar so I would get the assumption

[tulip aspen]

mantas come from the light

according to the dev livestream sometimes the light in the world will merge and create mantas but yea

[hushed steeple]

Oh look what you've done. You've made the poor thing cry

[keen shore]

Even the shortest manta is probably bigger than me, therefore I will say that this doesn’t count as bullying on my part and instead as friendly fire

[hushed steeple]

Do you think we could get an axolotl or olm light creature in the future?

[keen shore]

I HOPE so

[steep prawn]

toothless size lmao

[hushed steeple]

Just imagine turning a corner in a cave and seeing this guy peek out, he would be roughly the length of the average skid height.

[keen shore]

I love olms but they look like someone tried to make an axolotl and gave up halfway through

[compact shale]

and they don't have eyes

[hushed steeple]

Ok, and? You don't get to have the luxury of no eyes unfortunately.

[compact shale]

idk, just felt like mentioning it

[keen shore]

This feels like a threat

[hushed steeple]

Don't go down the multi level basement dungeon..........

Dismiss in three hours

Im getting bored and hungry so I'm going to go and I ask of someone that they fix my argument over Memory Manta.

I'm going to hear noise for the first time in hours

[keen shore]

Goodbye! I need to sleep too, it’s past midnight here. Have fun uh… hearing things?

[compact shale]

I hear the song of all the damned souls of Treasure Bay. /j

[rancid rivet]

I’m guessing these pictures on the walls mean something.

Does this indicate that the king can actually come out of the deep water? Or is it just what they have drawn of fear? Is it just a story or myth to keep people away?

[nimble ingot]

We were shown those boat usually carry light jars.
And we know dark creatures consume light. So the mondter must have been attracted by the light and attack the boat.

As for wether that could be the king. I am not too sure. I know what it is called, though prefer to save it till the last quest of the season.

[compact shale]

If you zoom in, the ancestor on the boat is raising its arms up in a position associated with rejoice, reverence, or getting arrested.

[rancid rivet]

I see i see

[rancid rivet]

“Sir you’ve been sailing with that light in your boat care to explain?”

[short owl]

Hey is anyone concerned with the lack of dark plants or darkness in general for this new season? I would think deep waters would gladly house darkness

[rancid rivet]

You have a point there

[short owl]

How about BigFin? That's easier than "big guy with fins" but has the same meaning

[compact shale]

||you'll see...||

[neat flint]

Null returns 👀

[short owl]

... you changed your nick and profile at some point I have no clue who you are

[neat flint]

Yes.

We were in the same server before

[compact shale]

this is a member of lorechat.

[hushed steeple]

Krill are crustaceans. They're always near water and can live beneath water. They have an exoskeleton and can fly, y'know, something all crustaceans do.

[tulip aspen]

nah not really lol
we haven't seen darkness plants underwater before, and also, darkness plants are prolly corrupted versions of plants, specifically light plants that grow above water

maybe we could someday see corrupted versions of these underwater light blooms 👀

[compact shale]

There's a theory that the krill is the reanimated skeleton of whatever it was as a light creature.

[tulip aspen]

..... crustaceans fly??

[neat flint]

If there are dark plants underwater we couldn’t never burn them since candles are enable underwater

[hushed steeple]

Ya, my pill bug is doing it right now.

[compact shale]

if we actually pulled our candle out underwater we would probably die/become inert instantly.

[tulip aspen]

ah yes, i love when I'm sitting by the waves and a crab zooms past my head and does a barrel roll

[hushed steeple]

You're not going to mention the fact that I just named an Isopod rather than a crustacean?

[tulip aspen]

wha
oh

nah I'm good
||pill bugs are isopods??? mannnnn||

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, I don't think an isopod would be such a bad idea for sky.

[compact shale]

I'd kinda like that to happen

for crabs to wash over the shore and scream at you

[tulip aspen]

oh, that already happens.

ill just be sitting there on the rocks with my sax or guitar and suddenly

[hushed steeple]

||you need to stop taunting the krill and crabs||

||ok imma sleep||

[compact shale]

GOODNIGHT

[tulip aspen]

okay, made a table of contents doc so hopefully its easier to peruse my stuffs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XrfbCBoPzm4GBZXS6rP1eK9X7XyN11RfttUi_03zQgc/edit?usp=drivesdk