lore-discussion-spoilers

[willow prawn]

I kinda saw it but it swam too fast to catch it haha

[frigid tinsel]

Long boi

[versed portal]

do they charge you as well?

[amber night]

I like long boi

[robust flare]

I think that eel thing might be a spirit! Idk though. And I really think the giant creature is related to King

[south badger]

they do not, you still lose air when caught with them

[amber night]

Is it a spirit or a living creature like mantas and birds?

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like a light creature so alive

[south badger]

i think it’s a living creature maybe …?

[versed portal]

reminds me of that dragon from spirited away

[steep egret]

How did you go to that place to see the creature?
Oob where? 👀

[fading bear]

I believe it's a living creature like them, but maybe in a different way. Like the light creatures (birds and manta's) are different from them. (But then again the whale does go to Eden with us, even though it doesn't look like it's made from light like manta's and birds DLAFJSKF)

[steep egret]

The blue makes it look like a spirit. The blue color really differentiate it from other creatures.

[thorny folio]

HI LORE CHAT I AM. OVERWHELMED

Dude. Dude. it’s a manta processing center I want to free all the children!!!

[steep egret]

Maybe if we can compare a spirit next to the eel thingy, maybe the blues are exactly the same color?

[thorny folio]

I think I have better quality stuff of the murals give me a moment

[robust flare]

A screenshot of some concept art. Idk if it proves anything tho

[amber night]

Brb going to explore more of the new area

[thorny folio]

So here’s this mural

[steep egret]

Awesome

[south badger]

i wonder if this mural depicts a crypt sealing away a scary creature

[robust flare]

I will also send a close up of the one with creature processing whatever it is

[south badger]

and it’s broken at the bottom of that structure so maybe the Big Boi is that or it’s krill and stuff

[fading bear]

I'm really confused about the eel thing tbh lol. It's blue like a spirit, but why would there be this one spirit creature that's not connected to a specific memory swimming around? It could be really interesting if it was a spirit, but why? How? Spirits usually don't stay on their own (I mean except Grandma)

[steep egret]

I think the manta evolved. See how they started to have more "fins" the further down you go until you see the last creature

[frigid tinsel]

i think it looks blue due to the dynamic light in the water

[steep egret]

Then other creatures shud be blue too shouldn't they?

[hushed steeple]

Anyone have a picture of leviathan face?

[south badger]

it looks like they’re offering diamonds to the creature at the bottom o_O

[tulip aspen]

looks like a cannon

[fading bear]

Omg I just found out you can see Leviathan swimming through the window thingy next to one of the murals

I'll try to make a screenshot next time it swims by

[thorny folio]

I think it’s showing the facility was built underground, and that that eel thing was there and they were monitoring it?? Meanwhile they processed the mantas into diamonds

[tulip aspen]

yea

[steep egret]

Looks to me like the bigger the mantas, the bigger the diamonds they could make? If they're offering the creature diamonds, I don't see why mantas are cages up if not to be used to make diamonds

[tulip aspen]

not really, looks more like they're interacting with it rather than getting away from it....

[steep egret]

Wait I see the fail in my logic lol

[fading bear]

Aaa I saw it’s eyes but I didn’t screenshot fast enough ksjfkskf

It’s so big ohno

[thorny folio]

Maybe it’s not a dark creature but a really, really big creepy manta?

[tulip aspen]

we'll see

[fading bear]

Also I saw "regular" krill with them

[tulip aspen]

im fairly sure that mural is referencing the Abyss leviathan, which if you havent seen it, i recommend you ask for directions to it elsewhere so u can see it for yourself before it's spoiled for you
(unless u dont care)

[amber night]

This is interesting, a lot more crabs are gather by the mine carts and these crabs are alot more dark in color

[thorny folio]

I sincerely hope it doesn’t get spoiled, but considering this is the lore channel I guess so lol

[fading bear]

I think they are connected. Perhaps the big scary creature used to be a manta

[south badger]

definitely think the bigger the manta the more diamonds it can charge… it really absolutely does look to me like they’re either charging important diamonds with the big boi OR offering them to it

[thorny folio]

Low quality images of this mural as well

[steep egret]

Interesting.... Do they worship him?

[south badger]

i’m trying to put my ancient history and religions minor to good use here lol

[thorny folio]

!! Maybe when the factory collapsed or the creatures got contaminated, the bug manta turned into the leviathan and some of the smaller mantas into krill…but I also feel like krill are a separate species

[south badger]

none of them look like krill to me

[willow prawn]

Chibi fall in the tallest tower, then chibi fall again to bypass the blocking thing, then swim down to the bottom and you can kinda OOB to the outside there. Careful with drowning, there are light plants in the way

[robust flare]

The mantas supposedly evolve into elder creatures, and krill are supposedly corrupt elder creatures. But concept art rules can change a lot

[steep egret]

Thank you so much!

[hushed steeple]

Heres all the new stuff I see so far.

Skykids can get upgraded by upgrade mantas

The area is a diamond mine

They used and contained mantas for it, mantajuicer still kinda canon. But who knows how they are used now

Some new critters

[amber night]

From my understanding of my studies of ecology. those crabs are chemosynthetic and consuming the bacteria that are thriving near that Chemical spill/seep

There are real world animals that do the same

[haughty talon]

Also all spirits have broken mask... Some of them have embedded crystal. Is it a sign of like radiation contamination?

[thorny folio]

Such a strange duality in the kingdom. In prairie and valley mantas are more protected and respected but in@forest and wasteland it’s like: well, time to put em in the meat light grinder

[fading bear]

Maybe, they were trying to charge diamonds from it. It could be an experiment to make more powerful diamonds. When the mural was made/at the time it depicts the Big creature was maybe still a "light creature", but something went wrong, changing it into Leviathan and leading the people to leave a warning at the entrance cave. Maybe the pollution or Eden explosion had something to do with it, or the experiment went wrong.

[steep egret]

True! Diamond buttons only work when we light it up

[haughty talon]

They noped out. Should've just written a big nope in that entrance below the big worm swallowing a boat

[hushed steeple]

Is there an intended way to get deeper yet or does it stop at the big door?

[haughty talon]

There is invisible floor yes... You can't dive down beyond a point

[hushed steeple]

I saw the invisible floor. It had air bubbles further down but The floor stopped us from reaching them. So the further stuff still for next quests?

[frigid tinsel]

the ancestors honked around and found out

[south badger]

i really like this!!!

[robust flare]

I kinda thought maybe this was industrialized manta farming, for the purpose of making power diamonds? Like, they make bigger creatures and bigger batteries there. But somehow the elder creature got infused with darkness

[fading bear]

Oh no now I want to write a whole theory about this season but it's testweek and I have really hard tests tomorrow ohno

Hehe I'll do it anyway

(it's fine I've already studied a lot for them and they aren't really important)

[robust flare]

I just realized the resources from first quest are in concept art too

[thorny folio]

What’s interesting too is that in the murals the people have similar headdresses to vault characters seen in other murals

[thorny folio]

So like this one

[thorny folio]

The other mural however is focused on the wasteland generals running the facility

[robust flare]

Yeah, I have noticed they use those characters a lot! They're in enchantment too. I'm not sure of the significance

[patent cedar]

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but this mural gives off lore too

[thorny folio]

I think it’s just to show how the vault scholars were involved? I always thought the vault scholars and the enchantment spirits were exchanging knowledge about the lights and about magic …maybe even entrusting the enchantment spirits with the different lights to escape eden

[robust flare]

You can also see the vault scholars as statues in eden! I didn't really think much of it. They hold diamonds

Or books? Can't remember

[fading bear]

My theory is that those people are scholars. They are on a lot of murals (including on the Ark and stuff). Since the Vault of Knowledge it's named like that, I kinda view it as a library of some sort. It could also, besides maybe history (?) contain scientific research. Maybe Vault is where scholars are trained or it's where some of them decided to build an archive.

In here, scholars could have done research on how to harvest light from manta's (/light creatures). They were good at (scientific) research so it's likely they were in the team.

||Kinda funky, I once worked on a fan season where they would show Vault scholars working with manta's||

[thorny folio]

I agree

[tulip aspen]

the blue manta was.... something
tbh i dont wanna assume it's just
"u p g r a d e m a n t a"

so in general it leaves more questions than answers

i feel it was either sent, or wanted to join us on our journey

but... why?

who would have sent it, or did it get tired of it's life?

[thorny folio]

Thinking about enchantment more now…I can’t remember if vault gave the lights to the spirits(maybe to save tgem from the storm) or if the enchantment spirits had their own lights. I feel like with prophecy it’s the former

[tulip aspen]

scholars there dont necessarily mean they were from vault

they certainly have a different study than the vault scholars, who worked to store data, while these are using/gathering darkstone crystals to... influence the creatures? (and also gain some sort of refined darkstone)

[wooden crypt]

Whee

[thorny folio]

From what I remember the enchantment murals seemed to show them traveling from vault? I might go have a look

[tulip aspen]

show.... these specific scholars?

yea pls do that's really important if so

[thorny folio]

not the same scholars just scholars lmao(for enchantment)

[wooden crypt]

Manta blender
Mantas -> diamond battery power go brrr

[fading bear]

(Little side note: I love the idea of Vault so much. The idea of a place of knowledge, so secluded that what was contained it it survived the apocalypse (and a war?). It feels sacred with the headdresses and robes and it's just so cool)

[thorny folio]

Pt one(developing a different theory)

Part two

[thorny folio]

This mural is different than I remember 😂 so it seems the enchantment spirits got the lights from people in forest?? And that the headdress is just the mark of any scholar (ie enchantment spirits don’t wear the traditional headwear of vault but we’re still scholars of magic)

[frigid tinsel]

upgrademanta: hey kids, I always see you flying about but never swimming. Why don’t I teach you the wonderful skill of ✨diving✨ by disintegrating myself

[hushed steeple]

Mummy mega bringing home the worm

it was cheaper than individual swimming lessons

[fading bear]

Did anybody else notice the evil laughter spirit didn't clap for us when we finished the first quest? something's fishy (and I don't mean the actual fish)

[rigid mural]

Wierd how daylight pierces through the clouds despite the realm being dusk

Also the pots have the forest temple sigil !

This looks like it could open.

[thorny folio]

oh!! fun detail: the bullseye the cannoneer and the qg make is a diamond!

[rigid mural]

And this is pretty Self-explanatory.

[frigid tinsel]

Actually this makes me think
Skykids learn expressions my mimicking the spirits, which they do very adeptly. I wonder if the upgrade manta wasn’t a tangible thing but a way of integrating the skill directly into the skykids’ coding/being.

See, when mimicking somethjng, it takes a bit to really get a grip on the skill and figuring how it suits you. By putting an ability directly into someone’s mind, they already know it and can do it, no practicing required

[thorny folio]

Where is this one?

[rigid mural]

Otherwise for now I can't really go too deep, there's a barrier that won't let me. Most of my findings are fun little tunnels littered with boats, golden diamonds like in the shipwreck, more carts, and poles. Which isn't adding to the current lore stuff bit yeah.

Just from what we got right now, I can theorize this is one of those places they used to experiment on light creatures in. Notice how the elder manta depicted on the first picture (see the elder manta in prophecy, for my hunch it might be one) looks a lot like whatever this thing on the second pic is. Lots of legs, long body, just angry and messed up. Maybe thinking they could control what they made was the factory/laboratory's last error... fits the atlantis vibes with the hubris and buried dangers.

Before being invested by research, perhaps this place was a mine, or building it in the first place required mining.

[haughty talon]

What was the purpose of that tower up top? Seems like all Chambers were accessible and connected via an elevator.. What was the tower for then?

[thorny folio]

office? prototype laser? sleeping quarters?

[haughty talon]

Lazer 👀 they show people carrying batteries to the top of it

[thorny folio]

or storage,. nah it's a laser

[patent cedar]

From the right side of the questgiver, there's a big flat rock. It should be right below some red candles. I would show a pic of where exactly it is but I'm in eden rn-

[haughty talon]

I mean diamonds... May be it used to be the 'charging' tower? All manta power extracted and sent up to charge crystals?

[thorny folio]

ok ty!

[patent cedar]

Visual if needed

[thorny folio]

ohh ok!

[hushed steeple]

Sounds about right. Matrix style program the stuff in. But with a upgrademanta.

[willow prawn]

I think the manta probably reflects a wish or legacy left to skykids. Whether it's from the great megabird or from someone in that area, or even from mantas ||perhaps seeking freedom, since we do see trapped mantas under the tower||, I don't know

[frigid tinsel]

Especially since we meditate to summon it. Perhaps meditating in front of the tail statue tunes us in to the sea creatures specifically

[hushed steeple]

Some say they are bird. Yeah looks like whale tails to myself. But nothing has that tail shape in game.

[young ledge]

I don’t know is anyone already said but the building really reminds me of the vault

or is it a part of the new area? I have not explored it much yet sorry

[thorny folio]

oh yeah how do we feel about krill swim

[young ledge]

I think they can because one comes out the sludge in the wasteland (just before it kills the manta)

[thorny folio]

true

my friend and I thought that the one in the memory is a baby/larvae and maybe why it didn't fly and attack

[young ledge]

maybe the water distorts their vision/sensor

baby krills would be cute :3

[thorny folio]

mayb!!

[young ledge]

I was looking up the underwater krill and found someone’s theory in the comments. Thought it was pretty interesting!!

[wooden crypt]

runs away

[young ledge]

the krill looks like a creature of light there :0!!

[hushed steeple]

The real mystery is how it was in the spirit memory when the spirit never actually saw it

[young ledge]

oh which spirits memory is it in?

[hushed steeple]

“Theres no krill behind my back theres no krill behind myback THeResNokRILLBEHINDMYBACK”

Forgot the name. The one with the cute hat and braid who tosses nets.

[frigid tinsel]

Been thinking that spirit memories are not the spirits’ memories but rather the Sky world’s memories of the ancestors, so that’s why the krill is there even tho the spirit never saw it. The Sky world knew about it

I actually haven’t found that spirit yet, where is it?

[young ledge]

the ancestor spirit joined a lot of the memories so maybe they saw it

[wicked elbow]

That must be Krill of the light, and it will be our pet in season of krill, in the future ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

[young ledge]

they’re on a little island to the left of where you start. should look like rock pools

[rigid mural]

I'm gonna put each spirit location on the map the questgiver kindly laid out for us. Brb.

[young ledge]

bless, thank you

[hushed steeple]

Sounds more accurate. Though lightminer’s friends graves keep changing location in her memories.

[frigid tinsel]

Thank you

[noble lance]

with how the king krill is trapped rn I don't think they would of ran away willingly actually. I think he might of got caught, or at least cornered into hiding which would explain why there is krills with it in abyss.

[young ledge]

that’s a good point! I don’t necessarily agree with the comment (I haven’t figured out what I think about krills yet) BUT maybe it ran away before being captured, seeing that the wasteland in general is home to krills

[noble lance]

Agreed! Rn I don't know enough about king krill to feel like it actually is eden elder, same about krills in general. I do have a theory that krills were those big white animal taken over by darkness, we see one breaking the wall while we fly to rebirth in pnr. (Still working it out). I see some reason in the king krill being here though cause the wasteland general does hunt and kill as many dark creatures as he can.

[young ledge]

I mean personally I don’t think krill-king is the eden elder (I think he is at the centre of the storm, since the eye of the storm is supposedly calm). I like your idea of the light creatures being corrupted!! I’ve also thought that they could’ve been sent by a higher power, like the one in the intro. one of the opening lines is “if only they had listened“ making me think that krill could have been sent as a warning/punishment

[icy spruce]

suspicious

[young ledge]

where is that from?

[hushed steeple]

Switch release trailer. Storyboard has them with horns

[young ledge]

thank you!! that is interesting, given they resemble krill with the one eye/sensor

previously I was thinking that krill came post-storm, but now seeing they’re in the spirit memory and the krills locked up I’m not sure.

[frail mauve]

I have a theory of how the realm for seasons are chosen :>
Making a video right now
Sorry it’s taking awhile to load one minute

[young ledge]

oh please share, that sounds interesting

[hushed steeple]

Prolly has to do with where they lie chronologically, but also where it fits thematically. Dark deep sea could have been GW or forest, but with deep scary stuff? GW for sure

[thorny folio]

saw glimpses of the leviathan and: ||iy looks like a whale and OH MY GOS THAT'S TERRIFYING||

[young ledge]

what is the leviathan and where is it? :0

[hushed steeple]

Its locked away for now. People are chibi falling and tabling to it. No worries, im sure you will get to meet it soon.

[young ledge]

oh ty! can’t wait to discuss it later then

[hushed steeple]

I was going to start working on wishlist part 3, but now im thinking I will save it for when all the creatures are revealed.

And I need a better reference for light levi too.

[young ledge]

what is the wishlist for?
I only rejoined the server today so I imagine I’ve missed a lot

[hushed steeple]

Creatures I want in game

[young ledge]

oh that’s is neat! I like the glga ghost

[hushed thorn]

Can skykids swim in sludge or not
I couldn’t find any sludge deep enough to test it out

[hushed steeple]

some I made up though but most are based on concept art

[frail mauve]

Here is my theory of how the realm is chosen for a season
Sorry it’s kinda badly made
Also I don’t know why it starts at 3 and goes back at 8
Practically the season realm skip or moving place keeps adding +1 to the number... idk if it makes sense but I got really excited at the discovery :))
sorry it’s 13 minutes kdjdjdkdkd

[lapis notch]

I don't think swimming and diving in sludge is a good idea. have you tried in the ocean next to the boat to the Ark?

[hushed steeple]

Giga ghost is based on the big deer that would carry you across realms....but in my wishlist context, its more of an easter egg

[young ledge]

I think it would be hard to swim in sludge since it is very thick and opaque, and I feel like you’d lose oxygen faster

[hushed thorn]

probably that’s why I was wondering

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have a picture of the face of the light leviathan? Its what I been calling the long white n blue fellow in the shallows who is TOO SPEEDY

[young ledge]

I’ve not looked at concept art in a while, but for now I’m more focusing on lore from what’s in the game (mainly focusing on the eden storm!!)

[hushed thorn]

you cannot dive in sludge

[young ledge]

is that the eel like creature? I’ve not got a photo sorry

[lapis notch]

I kind of giggled at the Anxious Anchor memory; imagine seeing a light krill just acting like a shark. But at least it confirms that there ARE whitish grey krills.

Some horror movie it is

[hushed steeple]

The krill is black in final scene, its white due to spirit memory affect.

[young ledge]

haha imagine jaws but with a krill
(also I think the krill may just be that colour because of a spirit memory, the colours are not accurate on spirits)

[lapis notch]

you read my mind, good fellow skykid

we just need a badly rendered version of the Jaws theme on the ocarina in the background

[frail mauve]

I’m guessing no one wants to watch a 13 minute video

[young ledge]

I think pre-corruption krills would be less spikey

[hushed steeple]

I think they are these guys (fanart of the switch creature with the horns they had in the storyboard)

[lapis notch]

I sped it up xD

But I like your theory on which one is the next season!

[frail mauve]

Thank you

[young ledge]

OH I just thought of something on how creatures became corrupt!

My main theory is that the eden elder was very power hungry, and wanted his realm to be the greatest, leading him to seek out a lot of light (since light gives you power, the more light we have the longer/higher we can fly). I believe he gained this light through killing light creatures such as skykids, mantas etc.
So maybe when the creatures die they become krill, and their other half a spirit manta

im not 100% set on that because spririt mantas and krill are very different.
and since there’s bones of creatures.
but made me think about how when we die we become a statue (in eden at least)

[tidal valve]

Cloud deer looks a lot like the king of the mountain on satori in botw

[hushed steeple]

The six eyes and no face always creeped myself out a bit :/

[tidal valve]

First time I saw it I instantly went to try and ride it

Feel super bad lmao for doing that did not look like the horse was having fun

[hushed steeple]

Its based on these

[tidal valve]

Dude those are pretty cool

I really like the gla ghost

Will say the first ones like look a piñata with all the tassels hanging out

Promise I won’t smack them.... yet

[hushed steeple]

I should have added a dot on the I brbrbrbrb its based on this guy

I do love viva pinata :]

[chilly cape]

depressingly there actually used to be a turtle back in the old sky days
and they added a turtle in season of abyss in beta but remove it

[tidal valve]

Sky concept art makes me SO SAD look what we could’ve had imagine if sky became a game on pc that had the same quality and storyline as journey

I love sky, but it’s clear there was major cuts you can only fit so much on a simple mobile game

[sharp lichen]

So much lore chats, so much lore moths, this is too much.

[hushed steeple]

Coral turtle is one im including in part 3. I was so sad to find it was in beta for a little bit, after seeing it in concept art so long

[tidal valve]

uwu I love moffs, I’d say I’m pretty moffy in lore since I joined a little before flight

[hushed steeple]

But yo the light awaits turtle was bland. Happy that sucker got kicked out

[tidal valve]

Maybe more creatures will arrive as the quests unravel?

[young ledge]

I joined in sanctuary but I have no idea about the lore :,,) I want to learn more though

[hushed steeple]

80% is king and megabird and the rest is just fun details and triva

[chilly cape]

but this new coral turtle got booted out too. before it even made it to live version

[tidal valve]

My favourite fun detail is all the symbols on the bells PLS LEMME IN I want to know the meaning behind them

[hushed steeple]

Sky is anti turtle. It had bearded turtle dragon mask but the rest are dead

[young ledge]

King is the eden elder right? Or it is at least in my idea it is
and I thought megabird was not definite in canon (although a lot of people believe)

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy. Megabird is sorta in the game. More so than king. In the final credits, its the noodle of light, and it appears in orbits ceiling.

And maybe the flight gauge but I think it looks like concept art

[tidal valve]

Mhm not sure? You don’t really see megabird anywhere except for the mural before office and the tendrils you see in orbit

[hushed steeple]

Sorta there? Eh.

[young ledge]

I think I remember someone saying how there’s a statue of the king in the wasteland somewhere (and he’s in concept art)?
not sure where I stand on megabird, although I do think there’s a higher power (the one that speaks to us in the games intro)

[hushed steeple]

Yeah hes bloomin all over. I think old narrator was mega.

I think new narrator is a spirit. Since...”we as spirits”

[tidal valve]

The wildest concept art is the headspace area they made, looks super cool ? Headspace? Mental space? Whatever it was called

Basically the connection between the real human world to sky, understandle why that was scraped v confusing

[hushed steeple]

For sure my favorite area in concept art

[tidal valve]

This spot is so darn cool

Honestly begging tgc at this point to make a fully fleshed out pc game

[chilly cape]

it would have been cool to see but it doesn't really fit with the lore anymore
unless they made sky take place. in this weird dystopian future

[young ledge]

YEAH it’s the top left concept that makes me think that the king is power hungry. I think he starts as the Prince but builds armour to appear taller/powerful

[tidal valve]

Anybody else think little prince is so cute? (Lmao not the green jumpsuit man, our power diamond mr krill gw triangle head sir)

Time to breakfast!!!! <33 byes!

[hushed steeple]

I had a dream last night skykids where actually on earth used by actual human beings as working tools, but also had a family type relationship with them? And they came from the moon. And I woke up to abyss having regular normal lore.

[young ledge]

I wish the lore was more clear, I like it’s open ended, but it’s too open ended, hard to connect dots :((

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, theres a lot of times you just gotta accept theres no answer to your question. Why the concept art is real popular. Fill in the gaps, despite some stuff clearly contradicting the current game.

[young ledge]

i think it’s sometimes too open ended as in there’s no limitations to create a story in, we don’t have a lot of understanding on the world itself

there clearly is a lore too so it’s kinda frustrating at times, but I look forward to when I have a more fleshed out final theory since I want to create animatics and stufff :))

[hushed steeple]

Dunno if you saw the concept timeline. Elders being turned elders and a creature war are not canon anymore but it was really useful for putting some extra pieces together

https://auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be2preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?9d349ffabbd233e1b8

[young ledge]

I never saw any of that, tbh I always thought that elders were just born(?) elders
and no idea what creature war entails

[lyric isle]

I want to talk about this so badly but I'm waiting on a friend

[hushed steeple]

Elders are pretty much always been elders at this point. The source has been debated but they are seen the same even before Prince rose to power in prophecy cutscene so I think its still valid

[young ledge]

oh I did not pay attention to those cutscenes! will they be on YouTube?

I found them ok I’ll be back in a moment, might need some help if they’re all murals (have a hard time interpreting them)

[hushed steeple]

They are all murals :/

[young ledge]

noooo, curse thee confusing lore

[hushed steeple]

The general interpretation (might vary based on who you ask) or prophecy mural is that the glowy kid goes off to the trials, wins them when the other contestants died failed. Winning the elemental gifts, using them to open the eden beam, and then giving them to the elders, elders use them to improve their realm, and prince is crowned king. (Vault and isle get no element :/)

Any maybe glowy kid is the one rejector and stargazer find

[young ledge]

Thank you!!

[hushed steeple]

And yes we all realized how to activate the murals by complete accident

[young ledge]

would it not make more sense that the found child is one of the dead?

[hushed steeple]

It would if it was not an odd glowy kid....and the prophets in their murals, have 8 pupils before getting the victor....and uh.....theres 8 sideways figures :/

[young ledge]

ah that makes more sense, disregard what I said then

I would say the does the glowy kid not become the prince after conquering the trials, but given what we know about elders it doesn’t seem right

[hushed steeple]

Yeah no idea why hes a prince from the get go. Maybe he was some kind of big deal even in orbit

But elders not being able to age becomes a big part of the theory.....depending on who you ask ofcourse

[young ledge]

rewatching the mural again it does rlly seem like the glowy child becomes the prince

although the prince feels different from the other elders in a way

[hushed steeple]

Realll different. I like to think he becomes their baby boy baby

[young ledge]

maybe it’s like a sword in the stone deal, the one who conquered all the trials is the only one worthy

[hushed steeple]

you know before using darkstone and becoming evil and making eden go boom :/

[young ledge]

Is the dark stone what the forest elder makes?

[hushed steeple]

Forest and GW prolly mine and produce them into power diamonds yeppy!

[young ledge]

saw this under a lore video which I think is cool. I like the idea of forest elders tears being the rain!!

[hushed steeple]

Teth’s pin poem does seem to indicate she feels a lot of regret and does mention crying!.....but that “removed” mural was actually just a stored peice of prophecy mural turned on its side. Also forest’s received element was water, and she used it for rain. Personally I still think tears and regret play a big part though....(forest using water element for rain)

[young ledge]

Perhaps the rain had practical use pre-storm? like she could control the rain for when it was needed

[hushed steeple]

Sounds pretty likely!

[compact shale]

Yeah, that's probably the case. Unfortunately, the rain didn't turn off during the fall and it became corrupted, so it drains us...

either that or it's regular rain and our flame is just getting extinguished because we learned this update that it's no grease fire

[young ledge]

the water confuses me since we can swim and not drain light, but the rain drains us

the water does put out fire thought since you can’t light your candle while swimming

[compact shale]

well, that rain may very well be acid

[young ledge]

I’ve been reading more comments and people seem to think that the blue and red teams from valley represent those in favour of the king and those against

[icy spruce]

Or its just the social stuff since there’s high andnlow class

[young ledge]

I don’t necessarily think it has significance, just a way to separate teams, but it’s still interesting though

[keen shore]

Hello everyone, found these murals today. I doubt they’re the only ones in treasure reef but the others are probably in quest areas that we need to activate / haven’t opened yet. Also I almost drowned getting the second one lol

[icy spruce]

Haha worm leviathan

2nd image is how diamonds are made or smthn like that, steals manta’s life (or light) force to make diamonds?

[young ledge]

curse all these confusing murals :((
I’m too moth to understand yet

[compact shale]

Sky x DUNE

[keen shore]

Yeah, I hadn’t deciphered that specific mural yet but I was looking around the area and I think it’s a diamond factory. Here are some screenshots I took proving it, there’s a BUNCH of them so I’ll start with different ones.

The first I noted was this one atop the lighthouse, it matches the power diamond sign also seen in Forest’s Temple (another suspected diamond factory & the most intact one)

[icy spruce]

Ye its a diamond factory

Cause of that one mural kekw

[rigid mural]

Spoiler: playing with an asset that will probably be revealed in the last quest
||I met him, I met the krill king, almost lost a wl but I met him||

[keen shore]

THE BOY I think that’s the big ol spiky worm thing, it’s the only one with so many eyes

[rigid mural]

Ridiculously huge. Love it. We stan.

[compact shale]

CAN'T TAKE MY EYES OFF OF YOU
(neither can they)

[icy spruce]

Worm/leech leviathan

HYE GUYS REMEMBER CONCEPT KRILLS THIS IS THEM NOW, FEEL OLD YET????

[young ledge]

omg that’s so scary D:

[rigid mural]

Spoiler: playing with an asset that will probably be revealed in the last quest
||there's two rooms like this, one above the other (1st pic), with a parallel tunnel that has light plants in it (2nd pic).||

[frigid tinsel]

There’s also this mural

[icy spruce]

Wait, so the diamonds being made with both light and dark is canon??

if it is, LETS GOOOOOOO

[keen shore]

Some more scattered evidence. I don’t really know what these are but you only seem to see them on old diamond factories, maybe they’re molds? first two pics are from treasure reef, third is from wastelands second area which is a much more broken down version of forests temple, last pic is forests temple again

[frigid tinsel]

Diamond molds(?)

[mossy pagoda]

It seems like the second mural is showing the process- how the mantas were taken to those underground chambers (which actually exist, one across from the other) and then each chamber corresponds to some sort of assembly line where they make the energy (? Or whatever) into diamonds. Above this is the manta statue that gives us the ability to dive (symbol of the manta in that particular cutscene?) and at the end of the road is the tower with all the spooky krills in it. Must be where they took the diamonds for… something. That’s what I’m getting anyway

[icy spruce]

101 percent sure its a diamond factory

[rigid mural]

Anyway I found a way to see the beast while within the bounds of the game ("room" with the beast under the darkstone lighthouse wall painting) so...

[young ledge]

it seems like they mine the diamonds, then transfer the light from mantas into them
(poor mantas)

[icy spruce]

Lore chat is slowly becoming oob chat kekw

anyways diamonds being made with light and dark is now canon, I will bite ur hand off if u disagree /j

[frigid tinsel]

Darkstone > refined darkstone > power diamonds

[keen shore]

Yeah, here are even some leftover mantas with the same light-to-activate opening button at the bottom as wasteland and forests’. I think it’s safe to say this was almost definitely a diamond factory

[rigid mural]

Coincidence, that's the mural I was talking about lol. Facing the mural, look to the left and stick the camera close to the door, and witness.

[mossy pagoda]

This basically proves that two manta = two diamonds I guess? And they were feeding stuff to the big worm but the worm seems to be light in that image so possibly it was previously light

[icy spruce]

Well I mean, dark animals are confirmed to be corrupted light creatures

[keen shore]

The thing that gets me is that due to the headwear? these look like vault spirits/scholars. also why are they praying??

[young ledge]

this makes me sad :((
they’re killing the mantas??

[compact shale]

well they're extracting their light essence- yep they're killing the mantas

[young ledge]

oh I am so ready to make angst animatics once I’ve figured this out more >:))

[keen shore]

Probably, it’s really hard to tell how though. I think most people’s perception is that they get crushed or drained of light essence but who knows how that essence gets put into diamonds

[rigid mural]

Same model as the pirate boat

[mossy pagoda]

Well. Okay. Think about the cutscene where we receive our ability to dive. Is that manta not basically giving it’s life energy to us? It dissolves. And we absorb it. And in the first krill room, there is always a manta ready to die so you can get past the awoken krill.
Mantas sacrifice themself…

[keen shore]

IN FACT I would go so far as to say the season of abyss symbol is either the instrument used to drain the mantas, implant the essence into the diamonds, or is in some other way involved in the process

[young ledge]

yeah this is mine too, I’m thinking about the spirit manta in the vault, and how the winged light is the scattered lights of the statues in eden(?)

[cobalt palm]

The way I'm seeing the murals atm is

1. They found an area rich with raw materials, so started mining and storing it in the tower for powering up
2. Using manta they put light power into the raw material, to be shipped off to make fake stars
3. It attracted dark creatures, so they constructed a trap below the store to keep the darkness at bay

[keen shore]

Had the foresight to record this cutscene later in case it was needed

[icy spruce]

Consume the manta

[mossy pagoda]

All three murals feature the tower. In front of the tower. Near/on the way to the tower. Inside and under the tower. The tower is important y’all-

[cobalt palm]

Also, this is the first place we see the ancestors using "spirit gates" to imprison light creatures, normally it's via gratings or dark plants

[young ledge]

oh i totally missed that cutscene

[compact shale]

why did peeps think we were eating the manta? If anything, it looks like we're absorbing their essence and becoming part-manta instead.

[rigid mural]

Same animation as the end of Prophecy trials

[keen shore]

I noticed this too, and thought it was really interesting that the constellation gates might be canon and not just a gameplay mechanic to force you to find more spirits. Here’s a picture of it for recording

[cobalt palm]

Someone fetch the water prophet!

[compact shale]

*dial 911

[rigid mural]

Are you sure it's a spirit gate ?

[icy spruce]

Fruity that’s the wrong number >:0

[mossy pagoda]

Manta definitely sacrificed itself for our ability to dive. Whose to say they didn’t sacrifice themself before? Maybe that’s how the ancestors discovered they could use their energy. They took advantage of the mantas generosity

[compact shale]

commit unspeakable sins to swim :D

[young ledge]

could it not be something that is unlocked later, especially if it’s a oob?

[keen shore]

It pushes you away in the same fashion as one, is the same color, and ripples the same. The only difference is I think the mechanism at the bottom is supposed to open it instead of a candle & spirit power. Maybe the constellation gates we use are kind of a distortion of what they actually are to fit in with game mechanics?

[cobalt palm]

That would be a spoiler too powerful for this channel currently... ||yes, diamonds 🔹 ||

[icy spruce]

I mean it was kinda obvious since there’s a missing diamond on the thingy

Wheel, lever, switch thingy or whatever u call it

[keen shore]

I also recorded something very important but kind of silly today. Seasonal Guide Height Comparison

[mossy pagoda]

Maybe the spirit gates have always been connected to darkness because when you don’t have enough spirits to unlock them they have the same sheen as darkness plants, and afterwards they become more orange?

[cobalt palm]

Teeny flight guide for chibiest win?

[rigid mural]

Aren't constellation gates orange ? Honestly I doubt they are constellation gates because those usually have a certain count of spirits to save written on them. I'd say they are forcefields put in place by those scholars on the murals that they can't remove from the other side; if they could help it, no spirit would leave mantas caged behind a spirit gate for so long, even from an uncaring standpoint it would be useless to keep mantas if you're too dead to use them.

[cobalt palm]

I'd also totally be ok with them being related to the power diamonds, as they allow stuff to float, so must be embedded inside most of the lands

[keen shore]

Using the assembly torch for comparison, the Flight Guide is actually shorter/the same size as the Assembly Guide (known child). The torch isn’t lined up perfectly with the feet of the assembly guide but they seem roughly the same size as it

[cobalt palm]

Only orange when you have enough spirits, otherwise they are blue - check out the office, or Nintendo wasteland gates

[mossy pagoda]

Now I wonder how the rose compared… XD

[keen shore]

Sorry to derail the conversation I just thought my findings were hilarious

[cobalt palm]

I guess they are if the same realm, so similar life stage, totally makes sense

[keen shore]

Except sanctuary guide is super tall

[compact shale]

Sanc Guide is a middle-age butler

[cobalt palm]

Ooh I like this game, name 2 guides and we'll vote who's taller

[keen shore]

Normal people

[swift helm]

Do y'all know the origin of krill?

[cobalt palm]

Enchantment vs Prophecy, vote now?

[keen shore]

WHOSE DECISION WAS IT TO PUT THE TALLEST ONE IN A CAVE??

[compact shale]

prophecy guide is too tall for you

[young ledge]

I don’t think there’s a definitive answer but I’ve seen people say corrupted creatures of light

[swift helm]

Okk ty!!

[mossy pagoda]

Are you sure life stage of guide is connected to whether or not a season is in a certain realm because there are a lot of seasons where that rule is not followed- but also, if you go by life stage, you would expect Dreams to be in prairie (unless it’s actually about skater girl senior looking back on her childhood as an adult) and little prince would… also be in prairie… most seasons should be prairie when you put it that way

[hushed steeple]

Theres lots of candidates but these guys are my favorites

[keen shore]

I have seen some headcanons that the prophets are stuck in their cave. I am beginning to believe this not because of some weird lore reason but because they are simply too tall (especially fire prophet) to escape. Worse is the fact that their cave is filled with floating rocks they keep hitting their heads on

[cobalt palm]

Others have said darkness is a natural part of the world, so could be natural balance to light creatures

[cobalt palm]

BTW where did you find the storyboards? Do you have a source?

[swift helm]

thankyou for answering @wraith flint

[neat flint]

@/alanhuynhworks on instagram

[compact shale]

We've theorized that Dreams is about the parent (Dreams Guide) remembering the events of the Skater Girl's dream because the message after the last cutscene is "You witnessed the dream come true." (key word: witnessed)

[hushed steeple]

They got em in pins. Theres the link to the trailer, and under it, an imigur with the storyboards and comparisons to final thing.

[keen shore]

AND FINALLY another normal person, between Dreams and Enchantment heights. That’s all my screenshots until we somehow find a way to compare them with old season guides that haven’t stuck around to find

[hushed steeple]

Also the crew is composed of mostly mitt hands but some finger hands too. This goes to definitively prove that

They use different models of ancestors to make new spirits

[cobalt palm]

Prince has a lot of profound wisdom imho, so vault fits
Prophecy is hard, as learning to walk etc is hard
Dreams, yeah could be prairie, but she had ambition, which is normally associated with young adult,
Though this could totally be me retconning the ideas to fit

[hushed steeple]

Profound wisdom that you have an obligation to take care of people you learn are manipulative, sure

[compact shale]

IS PRINCE EVEN CANON TO THE LORE

(yes I know starlight desert is real but that's it)

[keen shore]

In the absence of confirmed heights, what’s everyone’s estimates? Also, considering both flight and rhythm guides are known short people and look kinda similar, plus it’s hilarious to imagine they’re related how does everyone feel about them being related somehow

[young ledge]

I think the location just fits best with the story? Prophecy is in isle as it’s about the origins, and we start in the isle. Dreams is in valley because her dream is to stage in the colleseuim?

[compact shale]

Prophecy Guide is 156 meters tall /j

[keen shore]

Prophecy guide is the conclusive evidence for the existence of giant spirits that we’ve been looking for

[mossy pagoda]

Personally I feel like neither assembly nor flight nor even really belonging have much to do with teenagerdom- belonging more so maybe, but assembly seems more like childhood (though there’s a lot of drama there that reminds me of being nine) but flight is like… young adult, if anything. It reminds me of a bunch of people in their early twenties. Though I don’t suppose they can stick a high school in this game and I frankly wouldn’t want them to

[cobalt palm]

Yeah the obligation, but the rose was effectively a toxic gaslight as they didn't know how to express love, and had only thorns to defend it from tigers.
The world's and thoughts the Prince visits and experiences do guide adult thought to not being constrained by things
Orders for the lamplighter
Narcissism for the conceited man
Numbers and theory for the business man and geographer

[keen shore]

I don’t think the stage of life concepts are super important nowadays, beyond their application to the life stages of a kingdom

[compact shale]

HAHAHAHAHA NO PROBABLY NOT

I think they need to stick a school in that isn't about learning how to not break your neck when you slip on ice and fall into the void

A school that's a bit more normal

[keen shore]

I HOPE THEY FINALLY TEACH US HOW TO READ

[mossy pagoda]

That’s a very good point. But honestly being a teenager, you’d think they’d have more angst, Forest elder being my example here- but then again there isn’t even that much angst in wasteland seasons and wasteland is the angstiest of the realms-

[young ledge]

pls a class on how to decode murals :,,)

or the various symbols around

[cobalt palm]

I had a massive theory on flight here somewhere, basically it's the teen experience of innocence lost (darkness in the 4th and 5th quests)... I'll see if I can dig it up

[mossy pagoda]

Of course you do maelstrom- 😆

[compact shale]

We learn how to decode murals... into music notes... /j

[cobalt palm]

Link to flight theory related to teens

[rigid mural]

Sorry, cackling at the idea of calling a flower toxic. Eyup, she sure gaslight-girlboss-gatekeeped her life chief

[compact shale]

some call the flower a tsundere

[mossy pagoda]

But flight is about teamwork though- imagine- teens working to each other’s benefit- laughs sardonically

[cobalt palm]

Roses, gaslighting before it became popular.
Though I only learnt recently the term was related to a 1940s film called gaslight

[keen shore]

Sorry, how did this conversation progress from realm life stages to the problematic traits of a sentient flower?

[rigid mural]

In awe of how many words this serve teaches me are swear words.

[compact shale]

idk pal *punches your nose off with a flower

[young ledge]

does it automatically block them like?

[cobalt palm]

From murals to toxic flowers in 3 simple posts
#lore-discussion-spoilers

[hexed silo]

what 🧍

[keen shore]

And this is why skykids don’t have defined faces… [roll credits]

[rigid mural]

I doubt the Rose can be said to be gaslighting the prince since she isn't trying to make him distrust his memories, most likely she's just capricious and hates showing weakness or vulnerability.

Honestly that's pretty in character for a rose, they're like "oh no the soil is a bit too wet" -dies-

[cobalt palm]

True, though I remember the rose getting the Prince to doubt that she loves him, and that was why he originally left

[rigid mural]

Yeah but that's still not gaslighting afaik

[keen shore]

Sorry to pull back to this cutscene but a few things have been bothering me. This manta doesn’t have any gold parts for some reason, the glow as it disappears and the disintegration animation seems a LOT like after you relive a spirit memory, and the fact that we have to meditate to see it — is this manta even real?? spirit manta?? is what’s actually happening is that we’re hyper focusing on the manta and chanting in our head “become manta”

[frigid tinsel]

"gaslight" is one of those words that needs to be put on the top shelf for a while so the Internet can't reach it

[compact shale]

yeah, I like to think that it gave us manta essence and boom now we're like 33% manta or something ahahahaha

[amber wyvern]

I think the manta is def not real

[young ledge]

meditation allows us to be guided by spirits maybe? like our way to communicate with them

[frigid tinsel]

i think the upgrade manta was like... a conglomerate of the entirety of the sea light creatures' essence manifesting as a singular entity for the meditator

[compact shale]

new software manta

[frigid tinsel]

ocean: i have lore in the water
skykids: but we float
ocean: jdslnjresdewofsjdn alright, fine, do i have to do everything myself

[keen shore]

This is so mean, I can’t even reach the second to top shelf /j

[compact shale]

I FEEL THE POWER OF THE OCEAN-

[keen shore]

It’s actually a spirit manta and diving is just one really really long emote

[cobalt palm]

Software manta has upgraded your Skykid, please restart to install latest updates

[compact shale]

Maybe some spirit stored the dive knowledge in the manta and boom

software update manta

[amber wyvern]

Ok so i already knew the existence of king krill but man if i didn't I would be so thrilled with exitement
This is very interesting, king krill is deep in the waters but theres this big slash on the tower and the murals implying that he came to the surface, it rlly gives it a vibe that king krill trully is dangerous and causes a lot of harm 👀
Plus the baby krill is so cute, and the idea of krills being sea creatures truly does fit it, I think how they are able to be both flying and sea creatures is the same as the manta, since theyre both kind of related species-wise?? But yeah I absolutely love the season introducing something crawling in the deep sea

[cobalt palm]

Is it just me, or does the slash on that tower look a lot like the slash on the pots in prairie temple?

[amber wyvern]

I dont rlly remember how they look like

[young ledge]

I think krills being in water makes sense, I’m pretty sure I heard someone once say that the wasteland used to be a shipyard, and that is where the krills are (minus eden)

[frigid tinsel]

yea, three slashes on the tower, three slashes on the pot

[amber wyvern]

Oh yeah it does
Plot twist it was baby krill

[cobalt palm]

What is stored under prairie temple

[compact shale]

where did that krill in the last pic come from

[amber wyvern]

From the anxious somethinf (idk the full name) spirit memory emote

[cobalt palm]

Fisherman's memory

[amber wyvern]

This one

[compact shale]

ah okay

[keen shore]

Also with this from the same memory I think it’s safe to say spirits probably eat

[amber wyvern]

Yeah

[cobalt palm]

Right time for sneep, good night lorechat!

[young ledge]

haha I never thought about that but yes,
and good night!

[compact shale]

good night
sleep tight
don't let the (beep) bite

[young ledge]

do they not eat in the season of belonging? or whatever the table is for in the sunny forest

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, Granny learned how to cook for some reason

[compact shale]

Pretty sure there's evidence that the ancestors eat, we just never see them directly eating it

The farm in Enchantment and the crab-grilling station in Wasteland should be indication enough

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors: eat crab n fish, juice mantas

[young ledge]

I feel like they don’t need to/can go a long time without food, but food is a way a lot of people connect?
esp since the game is a lot about community

[keen shore]

The existence of the krill as well is interesting because it implies either the entire season takes place after the disaster and they’re just scavenging around to survive (reasonable but weird that they would still willingly go near power diamonds), the krill as an entire species just got corrupted by the darkness, or they existed in small quantities but not as much before

…I have a theory as to what krills actually are but it’s really dark and I’m not sure a kids game would include it

[frigid tinsel]

possible not all the ancestors knew what caused Eden to explode, they just saw it explode, silence from the Elders, all on their own as they start dying off

[hushed steeple]

The whole place is a diamond mine im not that surprised krills are there. I am surprised its A LITTLE ONE

[compact shale]

The ancestors can starve tho
Pleaful was starving iirc

And Scarecrow might not have been able to grow the farm due to the birds eating the seeds or infertile soil, so Team Enchantment died of starvation

idk tho :(

[quasi sluice]

Oohhh do tell the theory I’m hooked

[young ledge]

I think no ancestors survived, and that we as players are a new generation, so all seasons would have to take place pre-storm

feel free to prove me wrong lol

[hushed steeple]

Yes! But also kinda no. The spirits and location was before the storm. But freeing, befriending, and doing the seasonal missions takes place present day. They all kinda dead. But they are pretty lively dead people.

[frigid tinsel]

it's still possible some ancestors survived the initial calamity, but due to the worsening conditions, all perished in time. the seasons involve spirits, deemed "spirits" cos they're dead, so they do occur in the current era. we just see the memories of them when the ancestors were living.

[hushed steeple]

Also im not sure if storm means he corruption of the land or the final straw that made eden explode

[frigid tinsel]

i'm sure the Eden explosion triggered the storm

[keen shore]

So you know how krill only appear in places a lot of manta were killed or harmed? The first one appears in a defunct wasteland diamond factory. The graveyard, crowded with massive corpses, is full of them. Eden, where most of the destruction occurred and wiped out everything, has several. And now the treasure reef that’s thought to be an old diamond factory has one…

I think mantas get turned into krills by the light extraction process. But there are so much fewer krills than mantas, and they are much bigger. So the average krill is a bunch of half-dead and decomposed zombie mantas fused together, corrupted, and kept alive by darkness, which also results in thick armor like growths around their skin and exposed bits of skeleton.

Is it true? Maybe not. But it does make a lot of sense

[quasi sluice]

What triggered the explosion ?

[young ledge]

to me they’re the same thing, the final straw I’m the corruption caused the storm. although not sure what could have caused it, but I believe Prince/king is responsible

[hushed steeple]

Cute. Manta guts fusing together into a krill, well there are things that look a lot more like uncorrupted krill....but I sure do like how horrific what you said sounds.

[young ledge]

Oh I like this alot!! although what about places like the forest? they have the bones and diamond factory? maybe the rain wards them off too…

[keen shore]

I doubt we’ll ever fully know, and the simple and boring answer is it’s probably a singular massive corrupted light beast that looks similar. It is possibly notable though that we never see other members of the same large species near the krill that are supposedly corrupted versions of them

[young ledge]

yeah it is odd that we never see any krill like creatures in memories, considering how often we see krill

[keen shore]

I think a specific kind of practice was implemented later on in the kingdoms lifespan, maybe to add to efficiency, that caused it later on. Or hidden forest was simply where the diamonds got infused and not where the mantas actually got killed so no krills appeared there

[sharp lichen]

we do see krills in the Prophecy murals, which is difficult to think about, considering that the Prophets could be extremely old

[compact shale]

I think they predicted the krills, though they may or may not have realized what exactly it was at the time.

[young ledge]

maybe that could be more evidence for them naturally existing?
…man so many ideas I can choose just one to believe :((

[compact shale]

Didn't Jenova say they were corrupted?

[keen shore]

Yeah, I think they saw them in visions, but weren’t really sure of what they were or what their significance was so just painted them down to figure out later

[sharp lichen]

couldn't corruption occur naturally?

[young ledge]

who is Jenova? sorry I’m new here

[hushed steeple]

One other thing, it could be darkness was already spreading outside the kingdom, and because the switch creature was a foreign animal, they corrupted first

[sharp lichen]

I think he's a developer who said "krills are corrupted" in a Q and A.

[compact shale]

Jenova Chen, the CEO of TGC iirc

[frigid tinsel]

corruption has a connotation of not natural

[hushed steeple]

She. BAHAHAAAAAhehe

It is a kinda fem sounding name hum?

[young ledge]

thanks!

[frigid tinsel]

btw Jenova uses he/him pronouns

[bleak kraken]

Is there a way to see the ||very large fish|| at the new area or is it not available yet?

[compact shale]

it's a spoiler. Not sure if you want to ||feel the sensation of 3044343274834 corrupted moths staring at you.||

[keen shore]

It could be that krill were a normal shark like species before and just all got corrupted at the same time due to increased susceptibility, or the noncorrupted ones died out due to lack of food after the disaster. It feels kind of like a lazy answer though

[bleak kraken]

Yes, I do.

[young ledge]

I thought before today that all darkness came from the storm,, but now I think it just helped spread it.
If krill come from corruption that makes me think that all other darkness does too?
(also does anyone have a photo of the krill in the prophecy murals?)

[compact shale]

It's implied that there was a balance between light and darkness, but with darkstone abuse, the balance started to lean towards darkness and well...

[keen shore]

Hold on, one second

[young ledge]

Tyyy!!

[keen shore]

….never mind lol

[young ledge]

thanks for everyone being welcoming, I’ve learnt a lot from my first day haha
see yous tomorrow, night night

[sharp lichen]

Lore moffs! Lore moffs everywhere! Does this happen every time something new comes out?

[compact shale]

yes.

[supple agate]

A few lore notes I’ve come up with:

-darkness plants represent darkness of the heart, or emotions like sorrow, fear, anger, etc. hence why they’re found even as high up as the Prairie.

-Areas I personally see as below the cloudline: Isle of Dawn, Sanctuary Isles, Wasteland, Vault, Eden. Even though the Isle, Forgotten Ark, and Starlight Desert have clouds, I think it’s because the cloudline isn’t a straight barrier, it likely has peaks and valleys.

-Rain in the forest is caused by a large darkness plant somewhere out in the forest, likely brought on by the emotions felt whilst turning the forest into an industrial hub as they did.

-There are no crabs or krill seen in areas of direct sunlight since it likely detrimental to them. Hence why there are crabs in the valley but hidden in the depths of the arena’s inner halls.

[compact shale]

krill and crab are vampires

[sharp lichen]

Great! You should take more, however, as the test is approaching fast!

[supple agate]

lol

[frigid tinsel]

goes to retort, thinks for a moment, then realizes in dismay that you're right

[supple agate]

I’m interested to learn more about the Reef as we unlock more of it

Rn my theory is that ||at one point, it was a mining quarry, but something happened that made it fill up with water||

[frigid tinsel]

Eden explosion causing an earthquake that caused a tsunami or it was attacked and deliberately flooded

[keen shore]

It seems it was both a mining quarry for darkstone and also a darkstone refining/power diamond facility

[keen shore]

My theory as to all the swampiness is that water pipes just broke down in that area but this makes sense too… also consider flooded as a somehow defensive mechanism

[ivory grove]

😵

[regal phoenix]

is lore chat eating up abyss

[frigid tinsel]

the abyss is eating up lore chat

[compact shale]

in russia

[regal phoenix]

on a monday in january

[rigid mural]

Honestly wierd how abyss has daylight, maybe it's between forest and wastelands ?

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland is on the ground so it wouldn't surprise me if some clouds covered its sky sometimes. although the permanent, thicker cloud cover may have to do with pollution or the storm

[keen shore]

Also wondering about the reef’s dark sand, is this the color of wastelands sand under all that shadow?

[supple agate]

I think the cloud layer is thinner there

Also, I saw this here, I know trailers aren’t necessarily lore but like…
This looks like a glimpse into the past
https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU

[sinful hawk]

Mother of krill? With boss music

[supple agate]

Holy

[keen shore]

The switch trailer has been analyzed to BITS here so you’re not wrong,, I still use it as a source for some stuff constantly because it’s the most complete glimpse we have of predisaster life

[frigid tinsel]

Main account
🤣

[supple agate]

It looks so cozy, I love it

[sinful hawk]

Shhhh don't mind that lol XD

[supple agate]

How’d you get there?

[hexed silo]

ok but am i the only one who finds it weird that the leviathan has like. no sound at all
even the krills have sounds underwater, but not the leviathan, it's just,, quiet

[willow prawn]

Hey, something interesting: all the things you would usually action don't have any power diamond. ||But when you do the first quest, there's actually one and removing activates it||

||Would that mean mechanisms actually keep things closed and activating or removing takes away the seal?||

[compact shale]

||we weren't supposed to see that there||

[icy spruce]

worm leviathan? Y e s

[compact shale]

yall seem to like how it feels to get stared down

[random quiver]

I think guys I found some lore at season of abyss. It Talking about story?

[hushed steeple]

Abyss likely a darkstone mining facility that uses mantas. Maybe even drains em

[compact shale]

What does a drained manta look like

[quick terrace]

power diamonds/j

[hushed steeple]

Raisin maybe

[icy spruce]

KP is now selling manta raisin

BUY A PACK OF MANTA RAISIN FOR ONLY 2 CANDLES

[ivory grove]

i feel like: ||when a manta worked into this system, the darkstone literally absorbed most its light and possibly transitioned from light to dark aka krill, but am not sure… it seems fitting….

from previous tom zhao sky illustrations about the past, having too much darkstone is corruption, therefore||

[rigid mural]

Thinking about them

[icy spruce]

I love seeing elders flinging around

[compact shale]

if the valley elders had a lot more strength they would do the elder flinging

[hushed steeple]

Yo can anyone see if the light eel leviathan thing has a mouth? Or eyes? It moves too quick.

[frigid tinsel]

I got a front view but it’s a bit below

[regal phoenix]

it looks like manta jerky

[compact shale]

it breaks your teeth off

[regal phoenix]

do skykids even have teeth

[neat flint]

Hi kel haven't seen you here in a while

[regal phoenix]

hello flour

[compact shale]

no but krill might

[regal phoenix]

what if krills are just made of abunch of long black teeth

[keen shore]

Mantashaped skin bag

[weary escarp]

VERY late response I'm sorryyyyy

I think forest is most likely directly above wastelands, blackwater ocean forms a water cycle that affects the clouds above, that might explain the light-draining mechanics of both places

ngl someone should make a sky map if we haven't already

[sinful gale]

They should! Id like to see one

[compact shale]

There are maps for the Chinese server, but hell knows if those are canon.

[weary escarp]

I think I got a proper-ish understanding of the geography...???

[oblique oasis]

Have y'all noticed how the underwater murals seem a bit different from the normal ones? Like they're a bit more square, almost like Journey ones

[keen shore]

I think that may be just because they have more of a focus on depicting geometric architecture while our previous examples hold mostly organic shapes, but I could be weong

[oblique oasis]

And they place a lot of emphasis on the buildings

They look like blueprints

And like, the underwater area seems way more technologically advanced

[keen shore]

It might be because the story or purpose of the murals can’t stand on its own for whatever without the detailed architecture. I could see them being blueprints except for the first one totei showed here, which I think is just a depiction of how the first group of people got to the island

[weary escarp]

isle is basically the wasteland edge, edge of the world, unpolluted but also in ruin
prairie is the highlands where clouds reside
forest is the middle ground, directly above the actual wastelands, sprouting the theory that both prairie and forest comprise of floating islands
valley is the high mountains, somehow completely unpolluted?
wasteland, directly below eden, most of pollution fallout accumulated, evidently a prospering city (or part of, maybe the slums of eden)
vault is somewhat of a chamber, unpolluted-ish, maybe an elevator to eden?
eden, a prospering city with the most advanced tech, also where the cataclysm occurred

from this we can form a map of the world, or continent, so to speak

well that's the geography side of the story done

[oblique oasis]

I think everything apart from isle is in the clouds?
And also sanctuary

[weary escarp]

wasteland is evidently below I think

[keen shore]

We could try to get directions as to where they are by just flying through the realms. Like for example maybe we turn left overall to go from prairie to forest, so forest is overall to the left, but I do not know if I have the patience for that. Maybe we can do a massive joint lore expedition or something

[weary escarp]

we go a long way down after a huge ascent from isle to prairie, forest entrance is a descent, valley is a descent, wasteland entrance is a descent

[oblique oasis]

Sounds like Ingress, but in Sky lmao

[weary escarp]

actually should I be spoilering eden stuff here as well?

ah nice

speaking of, I think sanctuary islands might be off-continent, nothing's polluted and there's no blackwater anywhere, similar to the likes of the waters in isle

[keen shore]

Side note, both the cave murals in the forgotten ark area and the murals scattered about the reef seem to imply some other people lived here before the current group of spirits arrived. I mean in the reef of course that’s true, there’s complex technology and architecture the scavengers clearly didn’t make, but in the ark area you need to think about it a bit more… was wasteland once much more densely populated and if so, what happened the first time to make almost everyone abandon it outside of industrial use??

[pastel brook]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[compact shale]

Okay time to sacrifice you to the reef

[weary escarp]

walk the plank!

[keen shore]

there actually is quite a bit of darkness in sanctuary despite how happy it appears on the surface, esp around one of the geysers and the large cave cluster

[weary escarp]

wait how did reef not get blackwater pollution? Unless it's a mediterranean area...

[oblique oasis]

Isle to prairie social is very up, social to prairie is down, Prairie to Forest social is up, social to Forest is very down, Forest to valley social is very up, social to valley is very down, races is down, valley to wastes social is a bit down, social to wastes is extremely down, wastes to vault is flat, vault to Eden social is extremely up, social to Eden is flat, Eden to orbit is extremely extremely up

Haven't done the left and right yet but I've thought about this a lot because of the whole clouds thingy

[weary escarp]

++-+-++-------_+++_+++ (+=up, -=down, _=flat)

that equals...

[oblique oasis]

Thank you

[weary escarp]

5(+)-9(-)

I'm guessing isle is considered part of the highlands then?

[oblique oasis]

Mayhaps

Idk abt calculation i only observed

Also does the sky universe have some weird thing where sea-level is different in different places or smth

(Please ping me)

[weary escarp]

not impossible...?

I think it's more likely that it's probs huge lakes on floating islands, isle's probs one, we've seen it before in a couple of the sanctuary islands

...and that's according to known geography, and I'm not a geography expert

tbf tho, having different sea levels would mess things up pretty badly with tsunamis and all

[oblique oasis]

Yeah that makes more sense.

Which gives us another question, what is the Sky equivalent of sea levels?

[weary escarp]

likely wasteland as a standard, the bottom-est place of sky

I got my own foundation as a lore guy from other games like destiny yk who to trust

[ember elbow]

destiny ruined my life
d2 is continuing to ruin my life
goodbye money
hello witch queen

[weary escarp]

amazing lore but the grind is pure pain

[ember elbow]

ANYWAYS I FOUND THIS

thats a krill. baby krill.

[weary escarp]

"walk the plank!"

krills show up instead of sharks

[cedar sun]

I mean krills are kinda like sharks

[ember elbow]

also shes got a ||gun||

[weary escarp]

speaking of, it's very possible that every event in every season happened post-cataclysm

[cedar sun]

Until they died and turned into spirits

[weary escarp]

that's the sad part

with that you're realizing that there'll be a spirit we're never gonna meet: the one burying everyone

who'll be there to bury the last 😭

[ember elbow]

dreams though, wouldn't that be pre-cataclysm (collapse. ha.)

[weary escarp]

oh wait yeah I forgot dreams LOL

[cedar sun]

Really? I thought that their body just turned into dust after decaying, that's why we don't see any skeletons

[ember elbow]

someone had to make the graves

[weary escarp]

I...think???

that is assuming the gravestones aren't conduits for the spirits

borrowing a destiny term: golden age magic

[cedar sun]

Hmm.. What if the elders did it?

[ember elbow]

unless everyone predug their own grave. now thats dark.

[cedar sun]

Yeah, what if the elders did it?

[weary escarp]

back around in a bit, got an essay to finish

in school rn actually

)/

[ember elbow]

the king is burying everyone. there. debunked. confirmed. canon.

[cedar sun]

I was supposed to say yeah maybe did dig their own graves because King was going to rule the kingdom

Leviathan is King's pet, do not change my mind

[ember elbow]

also, all the masks are cracked?
starting to vibe with the "season of abyss is the survivors from whatever went down when the king went kablooey"

i really feel like this might be the first proper season where we see things that happened after the collapse

[weary escarp]

mmm I doubt, might just be from all the adventures they went through

[keen shore]

I mean together with the krill in the anglers memory it becomes more reasonable that they might have come upon the island post collapse. It would have to make one thing true though that we aren’t entirely sure is yet: the blue rocks they collect would probably have to be darkstone to help power their ship because no use trying to sell gems when everyone is dead.

Also keep in mind that most spirit memories in base game goldenwasteland seem to take place post disaster so it’s not entirely unreasonable this one would too, especially considering it takes place in the same region. We can’t get too much information from their memories though so I’m hoping you’re right

[midnight bane]

That one kill (if it's not mechanical) did look like a baby to me 👀

[keen shore]

Also about the gravestones I feel like they’re fake ones if that makes sense. Like no one is actually buried under them they’re just to remember people

[mental sky]

As shown in crying emote cutscene yeah

[keen shore]

…I still don’t really know what happens to the bodies though. I feel like given how important fire is in general to religion and lore and whatnot, cremation is probably a safe bet

[mental sky]

Most likely cos we burn they statue to complete the memory

[ember elbow]

...that implies we burn up their mummified remains

i can dig it. but dang. dark!

[weary escarp]

...or they decompose into the darkness we burn.

...

[mental sky]

Nah we free them with our light

[weary escarp]

yeah that's it, we burn the dark, free the spirits trapped inside

[keen shore]

…I wonder if any of wastelands sands have human ashes mixed into them due to the massive war there…

[weary escarp]

an ash beach you say?

[tulip aspen]

the leviathan is in an oob?????
no wonder i couldnt find it xD

[weary escarp]

it's never not possible I'll be honest, but man this is a lot darker than I thought

and I thought I was dark enough for lore chat

[tulip aspen]

you mean ancestor?

[mental sky]

It's the Abyss it's supposed to be dark

[icy spruce]

yep

warning: worm leviathan

[weary escarp]

these pics will become relics when TGC makes it aggro when the story week comes where it debuts

[tulip aspen]

chess thats not fair you KNOW i impulsively click on thigns!!!!

[keen shore]

I’m imagining that instead of having to be cremated they just kinda combust upon death, especially if the outer shell is still charcoal like the old concept art had it as. Which means there are almost DEFINITELY ancestor bits in wasteland sand

Also yes, I meant ancestor, I am tired

[icy spruce]

I did not know you impulsively click on thigns

[tulip aspen]

i mean, yeah

if the shells truly are made of earth then after that long they'll just crack and turn to dust

[weary escarp]

let's be real, we all are dust at some point and will be as well

[tulip aspen]

🐟

[keen shore]

The combustion thing makes sense and explains why there are no ancestor remains. But… why don’t light creatures work the same way?? Does the existence of light creature skeletons imply ancestor skeletons as well or were they just boneless exceptions?

[weary escarp]

might become a lore chat regular from now on as a side job of a photographer

[tulip aspen]

actually my wish is to be buried under a baby redwood so that i turn into a tree

however, ancestors are just humanoid shells made of clay so

[weary escarp]

not that thought this early

[tulip aspen]

could you tell me about the combustion theory?
ive been gone cos the horde of people at the start of the season scared me

[keen shore]

When they eat stuff like this do they just toss it in their shell so it burns up, similar to how fire needs wood?

[tulip aspen]

eat stuff like w h a t

[keen shore]

Oh, I just mean what I mentioned earlier about ancestors just kinda combusting and disintegrating upon death, sorry.
And the fish, there are more visible in other memories but angler Is Definitely catching fish probabky to eat

…wait. If ancestors combusted upon death, could you kill one at the perfect time to use them as an improvised bomb?

[distant turtle]

I was hanging out in this plant and looked away and looked back and I was with it! Scared me to death! I have no idea how it happened.

[keen shore]

Don’t be mean. His name is Tom and he’s just a normal fish don’t worry about him /j

[neat flint]

||Multiple red eyes 😭||

[distant turtle]

My heart

[icy spruce]

||trypophobia :Icantstick_tothepainanymore:||

[hushed steeple]

Im not ready to consider ancestors functioning similar to skykids. Hhhh they always been the more mortaly ones to myself

[compact shale]

Why do yall like the feeling of being stared down

[frigid tinsel]

some of us don't got a sense of self preservation

[weary escarp]

count me out when it's red eyes

[keen shore]

I honestly don’t know what to think, because somehow they have no bones but they also seem to eat and be wounded easier… I really like the idea of them exploding just because I feel like otherwise wasteland would just be 90% ancestor skeleton and yknow, good excuse to keep the field of death child friendly

[compact shale]

Yall have no sense of life

[willow prawn]

I feel ancestors did have a biological body, since we know they eat and grow and stuff

[frigid tinsel]

see, i have a lot of fears, but fears give me an andrenaline rush and i'm an andrenaline junkie, so here we are

[weary escarp]

welcome to the beautiful apocalypse of a once-prosperous world with a mishandled energy source that's actually a force of nature

[willow prawn]

Meanwhile we skykids are weird things
Also?? Did they increase the slow mod?

[keen shore]

Child ancestors exist but honestly I think they either spawn or just pop into existence at this point and then grow from there. Call me anti baby if you wish

[hushed steeple]

I think ancestors are biological. I think skykids can do a lot of biological stuff while not having guts. Ancestors prolly got guts.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids don't got guts, they just have a lack of sense of self-preservation

[neat flint]

Are elders biological

[weary escarp]

huh, I thought all things are biological

[frigid tinsel]

am i gonna have to crank out my skid anatomy notes?
i mean, i already gotta face them due to recent developments.

[hushed steeple]

Elders prolly higher whatevers. I kinda consider the idea that they can’t grow as a major story point.

[keen shore]

You’re probably right, but imagine just coming into existence already being a super old man. I would be so mad

[hushed steeple]

O yeah and the mask that has some space around the eyes killed and murdered my headlight eye beam theory. Wah wah.

[compact shale]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they changed the bubbles to come out our face and not our core

In that case they could be coming out our eyes because that's where our light is directly exposed

[hushed steeple]

I joke about that too. He drew the long straw. The twins cheated by cutting their straw in half

[tulip aspen]

hmm

the eating thing....
ill wait till i actually do the spirits to give my take lol

and yeah there's a bunch of possible ways they could have died

because ID and DP spirits all just died where they were even tho there's no visible obvious explosion damage to prairie, the crystal had to have done something else

ive thought before that it could have been a shockwave, sonic or kinetic, that popped their shells like glass to high vibration

[compact shale]

Shockwaves can kill regular humans, no shell needed

[frigid tinsel]

my pre-Season of Abyss working theory on the composition of a skykid
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

from this, one can assume skykids aren't biological and they prob still aren't but they breathe through their mouths now so that's something

[compact shale]

Wait

1. We have mouths?
2. Aren't we getting slowly extinguished in abyss?

[tulip aspen]

definitely more mortal ye

still, how would shells with feeble light energy inside it, eat?

but like you and i have said and re-affirmed, it doesnt matter JAM IT DOESNT MATTER

[hushed steeple]

More flesh and bone mortaly I mean

[keen shore]

Oh sorry! I didn’t realize you hadn’t done them yet, would’ve spoilered it to not ruin it for you.
To be fair… all the eating, sleeping, dying, etc stuff can still be sufficiently explained away while keeping them not super biological. I would normally go in the middle here and call them a mix but I feel like unless you’re talking about cyborgs that’s just horrifying to imagine

Maybe instead of using calories like we do they sustain the Fire?

[hushed steeple]

Im kinda tired of anatomy. Peace out yall.

[tulip aspen]

nah idc about the spirits i know i should just get them but since we only get 4 new spirits for the next two months smh i always get one spirit a week, i like going slow and letting the flavor sit on my tongue (make there be a mini quest in each node of the spirit TGC)

[frigid tinsel]

well #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact shale]

Imagine if we had to shove flammable stuff inside us every now and then to keep our fire burning

[tulip aspen]

sorry- ):

[frigid tinsel]

maybe that's why we collect wax /hj

[keen shore]

Skykids were specifically made not to have to do that because otherwise we’d just burn everything down on purpose.
And yeah my idea is that we’d collect wax instead of shove food in because maybe it’s more convenient?

[compact shale]

👁️👄👁️

Okay that doesn't make any sense. What new orifice is this?

[tulip aspen]

nah still not confirmed at all that we have mouths, and yea we're just getting slowly extinguished, but it's hard to die cos the winged light shields us

[weary escarp]

lore chat's too crowded I didn't expect so many people

[pastel brook]

[icy spruce]

Nobody does

[tulip aspen]

these are actually all the usual folks lol

familiar faces

[weary escarp]

oh??

[tulip aspen]

it could phase thru their shell

[frigid tinsel]

it was busier earlier in the first several hours when the season dropped

[frigid tinsel]

that makes less sense though cos the shell looks rather solid and interacts with the rest of the world as though it was solid. why would air be any different?

[keen shore]

cracks ancestor open like egg

[compact shale]

cracks skykid open like a smaller egg

[tulip aspen]

anti mouth gang be in pain rn

[compact shale]

but

WHERE ARE THE MOUTHS...

NOT EVEN IN CONCEPT...

[tulip aspen]

fruity i-

i think this is the end.

[compact shale]

OF THE WHAT DAYO

[weary escarp]

(taken from photo chat)

an armory and a manta nursery...?

I'm starting to think what they do to the mantas they raise

[frigid tinsel]

nursery is the nicest hypothesis I've heard so far

[tulip aspen]

we must give up. @compact shale 😔

1. there is no mouth but
2. TGC like pretending there is so pro mouth wins )):

[weary escarp]

wild but,

what if they feed the mantas to the krill king?

[frigid tinsel]

alternatively, bubbles could be coming out their nose

[compact shale]

OUR NOSE DOESNT HAVE NOSTRILS HOW

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's the issue with that. but then again, mouth ain't visible at all

[keen shore]

I don’t even know what to make of that bubble video theyre jsut,., appearing

[compact shale]

GOOD THING VOLUNTARY ISNT HERE

[weary escarp]

the game's graphic abstraction excludes facial details so anything could happen imo 👀

WRONG EMOTE I DIDN'T MEAN IT AAA

[keen shore]

I’m fine with caving and saying “okay maybe they have mouth” but where is the mouth, they’re just materializing

[compact shale]

New software installs mouth.

[willow prawn]

Maybe we're porous but the material is leaking the air out

[weary escarp]

quick, someone make an ultra high-res sky texture mod

[frigid tinsel]

if we're porous, light and air would be leaking out of us everywhere

[willow prawn]

I mean, it kinda does! We shine in the dark

Better than think we have mouths when clearly nothing is there

[weary escarp]

just like how you shine a flashlight through a finger

[compact shale]

welll then the rendering is a game thing then

puttiing 300x bubble effect would destroy phones

[tulip aspen]

we dont even have a nose-

we KNOW

that skykid facial structures are intentionally different from human ones

because we SEE human facial structures on the the literal human, and the narcissist

the narcissist's face likely isnt canon even if he himself is, but the point is TGC had to go out of their way to actually EXPRESS a facial difference between skids and the prince!!!

so that begs the question
why do they care about visualizing faces then in order to make a clear difference between skid faces and human faces, yet they also dont even think for a second about if it'd make sense if a skid breathes out of.... a solid mask.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, i thought of the skykids shining thing like as shining a flashlight through a finger, like ZtratoZ said. their shell may be solid but prob not that thick

[compact shale]

I wish this wasn't actually the case but

[keen shore]

The skykids are materializing the bubbles like emotes just to mess with us. Solved

[compact shale]

thanks, daydreamer...

[tulip aspen]

TGC is a s w i n g

[willow prawn]

It censored me! C'mon!

Anyways. I was saying it's probably a design choice, because bubbles coming out from the chest would've been weird for people

[tulip aspen]

that was actually my og take when it came out in beta until fruity started demanding i plead a case ; that the bubbles are just light

[compact shale]

it represents the light noping out little by little because light hates wetness

[tulip aspen]

indeed.

the fact that it was originally from the chest should be all we need to settle this.

they had to choose not freaking out non lore people over giving lorechat their sanity back, it's understandable

[frigid tinsel]

yknow, you can still breathe with a solid mask. I know cos I've worn some, however the air goes through the sides. in the case of skykids, their masks prob aren't solid either for bubbles to be coming out in that spot

[keen shore]

I REMEMBER THAT lol
I do feel like it may just be a gameplay mechanic to remind us we’re running out of time underwater given that they just materialize, or like Arabrax said, they’d come out of the chest instead but that would weird people out and look like a design mistake to people not In the know

[compact shale]

The borbles could come out our eyes and still make sense. Our eyes are also vulnerable because they expose our light.

[frigid tinsel]

since they don't, skykids might have nicktating/secondary eyelids (i can't spell)

[tulip aspen]

i feel it's def the latter as it was literally in the chest

perhaps people in betachat were weirded out, than some uncultured big brain director was like "wait yeah why isnt it coming out of the mouth" and the designer who actually knows the lore about the Flame was like

[frigid tinsel]

so did the bubbles actually come out their chests in beta?

[willow prawn]

That's even more scary lmao

[compact shale]

our eyes are still open underwater. idk if they still blink with the other other eyelid or not.

[compact shale]

Press F to pay respects to chest borbles.

[keen shore]

I just realized something with the “bubbles is boiling water” idea. Imagine a skykid making soup by just sticking a bunch of veggies and water in a pot and then sleeping in it

[frigid tinsel]

so the alternative theory is that the bubbles aren't oxygen bubbles, just light leaking out of skids?

[compact shale]

Yes, you and your skykid cooking ideas. I live for it. They're priceless. Now please allow me to insert these grains of rice inside your eyes.

[frigid tinsel]

but why would light manifest as bubbles?

[tulip aspen]

not even a theory tbh as it literally was supposed to come out of the chest according to beta.

[keen shore]

I didn’t know about the chest thing before now but that explains the lack of mouth and also lets me sleep at night

[frigid tinsel]

okay cos if no mouth then it fits my developing theory that sound comes out of the diamond hole in their heads

[tulip aspen]

maskless shows us that that hole isn't there when maskless tho

[frigid tinsel]

yea but like cmon

[compact shale]

what if the sound comes out our eyes

[keen shore]

Maybe it’s an extra hole so they can make different sounds like a flute?

[tulip aspen]

we def should assume that hole thing means something for sure, but w h a t

[compact shale]

hmmmmmmmm

[tawny lake]

Any lore idea?

[frigid tinsel]

the reason i think sound comes out of the diamond hole in their faces is cos the soundwaves visible when honking are perfectly circular around the head, the center point lining up the diamond hole. if skykids made noises out their mouths, those soundwaves would be lower.

[keen shore]

Maybe it’s just a symbolic hole in only the mask?? The diamond shape usually seems to mean either simplified stars or power diamonds, what if it just means “Yeah there’s a star in this person shaped shell”

[tulip aspen]

true, assuming they have mouths anyways

[compact shale]

*slaps on a diamond sticker

There! Now everyone will know that you are a shipping container with a star inside!

[frigid tinsel]

But where does the light come from!? That’s my pressing question with this damn hole

[keen shore]

Us calling skykids this is like their equivalent of when humans call each other haunted meatsacks

[keen shore]

To be honest I have no idea. Maybe it is a separate hole but they can close it at will like they blink their eyes or something

[frigid tinsel]

Ugh, I’m tired. I’m done. In my ficverse, the bubbles are gonna come out all their holes. The diamond hole is still an enigma to me. Goodnight yall

[compact shale]

GOOD NIGHT ALASDAIR

[keen shore]

Goodnight!! I need to sleep too. Honestly it’s good morning for me at this point

[willow prawn]

Hi! If you look closely, the first picture is like the flying boatline in the Village of Dreams, which implies all this wasn't underwater before

You also see what looks like mining cars and remaining mining structure

The boats make sense to transport things while the golden things are always related to power crystals (the ones that turn on when you activate a door for example)

Hope it helps!

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[icy spruce]

Skybot: Look Fam, it’s not that deep!

Sky’s lore:

[lofty void]

Subnautica-deep—

[slate flax]

I wonder if there is something much more terrifying than krill behind dat giant gate in the abyss area…

[lofty void]

Thats how deep it gets ☺️

[velvet matrix]

Why did the darkness come ?

[icy spruce]

Dunno, prolly diamonds, corruption, greed, bas thoughts etcc. Etc. but those are theories

[velvet matrix]

Oh ok

[crystal jasper]

I love how tgc can make some annoying crabs, black shrimps and toilet water so terrifying

[slate flax]

toilet wat

[compact shale]

AOWF?

[crystal jasper]

what's AOWF ?

[compact shale]

WAFO but mispelled, it should say

Wait
And
Find
Out

[slate flax]

Ah I see (perhaps)

[slate flax]

Just a silly question: Are krills amphibian?

[compact shale]

hmm idk but imagine if they could crawl along the ground with those legs

dfsfjsdfngs why is this so funnhy

[stoic wedge]

Skybot: Look Fam, it’s not that deep!

Sky’s lore:

[compact shale]

*you are still plummeting down.

[fallow arrow]

so i went to treasure reef and i saw the drawings on the walls and stuff

it looks like there is some creature thats the aquatic equivalent to a krill that has attacked ancestor before. theres also the mural in the deep that shows what looks like a place where they stored light creatures, with bigger ones being kept at lower levels and then almost like a worm or krill, maybe the dark creature shown on the cave drawing at the entrance of treasure reef at the very bottom. i tried to dive to the very bottom of the place but there seems to be an invisible barrier or i did reach the bottom but there was nothing. im also assuming from the murals seen in the chamber where we see two containment areas where light creatures are being locked up in, that the whole was previously above water

if the theory that ancestors used light creatures to make batteries is true, then maybe that deep area was where they kept light creatures and made batteries out of them??

[compact shale]

That's probably the case...

[fallow arrow]

from what im guessing, i actually thought it was a darkstone mine or some sort of mine where ancestors searched for materials that were used for batteries since the containment chamber areas for light creatures were in close proximity. in the first picture, the pillar is similar to that of the transport system in village of dreams so i think it was how they moved carts of whatever they mined in and out of the caves

i was also considering the theory that ancestors made sacrifices to whatever is there at the bottom. its not very likely but all the murals have me very interested in what other people think

wait is the creature at the bottom actually the creature we see enter and exit the upper chambers where we light creatures are locked in?

it could be this

the music change as soon as you leave the green grassy areas made me very on edge when i first heard it. then i dived down to as far as i could go to the bottom and there was a very low sound almost like a creature so idk 🤷

[fallow arrow]

hm but then it seems too small for what is shown in the mural. maybe its a juvenile or young or whatever creature is actually in the mural

[weary escarp]

manta nurseries I reckon

well maybe not mantas exactly but something else?

…there’s also armories on the other side

[fallow arrow]

oh i havent really read much in this channel, whats are the manta nurseries and armories?

[weary escarp]

oh I meant the image you showed up with, the first one

[fallow arrow]

wai so if theyre manta nurseries, do they take care of mantas?

[weary escarp]

species aside, best guess is that they’re sacrifices for the krill king

or at least that’s what we’re calling it currently

[tulip aspen]

its likely the giant creature from that mural u see at the beginning of the area

[weary escarp]

oh THOSE??

[fallow arrow]

whats the krill king? the one at the bottom of the mural?

[fallow arrow]

yeah thats what i thought but then i thought they seemed a bit too short to be the one in the mural

[tulip aspen]

beta spoilers
||since the krill king is currently an oob and part of an area unlocked via the missions we cant get to yet, i recommend spoilering talking about it yall||

[tulip aspen]

that's just it's head in that mural

or it looks like it anyways, like it's rearing it's head out of the water to attack ships for some reason

[fallow arrow]

||wait so the krill king is the one in the mural? or not confirmed??||

[fallow arrow]

so the mural only shows its head?

[thin dirge]

Wait, doesnt that mural depict the manta sacrifices stuff? There's already concept art about cruel stuff they did to mantas... However, the joke term for it is now filtered...

[fallow arrow]

oh so it is actually manta sacrifice for whatever is at the bottom?????

[compact shale]

Pretty sure they unfiltered it

[fallow arrow]

as of now, i believe there only these three murals that are accessible in treasure reef

[thin dirge]

Definitely in-game confirmation about the "Diamond Factories"

This was very well known amongst people in this chat back then in the previous year. The Forest Temple, and the temples in the distance in GW are actually "factories" for manufacturing some diamonds. You know, the diamond shaped crystals you light up tp open doors, mostly found to Forest doors, but you see it practically in most doors of the gane.

Two of the concept art depicts the Forest Temple's real purpose, which is draining light from light creatures (mantas in this case, had a joke term but now filtered) and putting that light into those diamonds to power them.

After the Forest Elder cutscene, all the mantas that were caged and were gonna be used for this in the temple were released, which is why you see many mantas fly out of the temple afterwards

[oblique oasis]

I mean given how warfare works, probably. But they're also immune to fire so it'd only so damage to like buildings and stuff

But i imagine the combustion wouldn't be too violent given the nature of Sky

[hexed rain]

||petition for king krill to be called a shrimp||

[compact shale]

Ancestral Nuke

Maybe the catapult flung out burning ancestors to use as bombing warfare /hj

[thin dirge]

There... is an implied explosion that blew off the entire castle in Eden... So uhh, I wouldnt put that off

[oblique oasis]

By making it less child friendly upon closer inspection yes

[thin dirge]

I would say Sky is actually dark, just very, veeerrryyyy subtle about it. So much so most ppl dont even realise there's lore

[fallow arrow]

yeah i was thinking they were most probably more diamond/battery factories

[hexed rain]

All the adults in sky are dead..

[fallow arrow]

i think i saw somewhere in the concept art for sky that light creatures whose skeletons have been left behind have died unnatural deaths ahem skeletons in gw and hf

[thin dirge]

Also, you know EVERYONE in the kingdom died, there's implied war in the kingdom too, an implied explosion that blew off the castle, THERE'S AN ACTUAL SPIRIT MEMORY OF SOMEONE DYING

So, dont put things off from the table just cause they're too violent imo. Sky is already implied to be violent in its backstory. Even more so if you look at the concepts, they're even more harsh.

[hexed rain]

It post apocalypse

[fallow arrow]

which actually now that i think about it, golden wasteland and hidden forest are the two places where factories are located

[compact shale]

I'm wondering why TGC wanted to make this have a low age restriction rating...

to expand the demographic for the sake of money?

[oblique oasis]

Loads of bell shards everywhere, just covered in moss. Nature is more abundant in Prairie

[hexed rain]

Probably because its hard to notice the stuff especially for kids

[fallow arrow]

no its more like the lore is very subtle so much so that the large majority of younger audiences wouldnt pick up on it

[thin dirge]

Most ppl dont even know Sky's lore, most of the violent stuff came to pass. And plus, Skt's storytelling is always "Show not tell", so yeah

[compact shale]

But do you think that TGC was aiming for something more mature? Like this wasn't the rating they weren't originally thinking of?

[thin dirge]

They left lore up to interpretation for a reason.

[compact shale]

Haagahahanren... I see...

Er, back to lore, then.

[oblique oasis]

Maybe it's not air???

I mean we prolly don't breath, everything is light/darkness

[compact shale]

I've said once that the bubbles are light noping out of us because light no like wetness >:( (the light is angy not me)

[oblique oasis]

Farm, more like

[tulip aspen]

we dont know anything for sure ngl

[tulip aspen]

tbh that doesnt imply nuclear fallout /hj

[thin dirge]

It def looks like it tho imo. Everything they depicted in the murals is EXACTLY THE SAME as everything lore chat believed about the "Diamond Factories" from the concept art

At the very least, its veeerrryyyy close

[tulip aspen]

it does look like it

we're all speaking waaaay too confidently tho

nothing is canon for sure yet
(i agree with u just clarifying)

[thin dirge]

Well, its not like we'll get a 100% confirmation tho from the devs

[fallow arrow]

this is based on what ive seen in the concept art, but i dont think the mantas were experimented on for their immortality. from what i remember, ancestors and light creatures are both from the megabird and both eventually cycle back to the megabird before being reborn. then ancestor civilisation started developing and less ancestors went on to be reborn which implies that they never died and the population was evergrowing (unless im wrong and ancestors naturally died but then how would that fit in with the concept art 🤔). i think the mantas are either being sacrificed to whatever is at the bottom, or being turned into diamonds. the reasoning for the mantas having different numbers of wings is probably because the more mature they are, the more wings they have which can be seen in the sanctuary islands and in vault. but whatever is at the bottom doesnt seem to be a manta and could potentially be a dark creature???? im not sure

[oblique oasis]

Few things I'd like to point out:

1. The bubbles are blue, therefore are related to darkness/isolation. Maybe isolation from the skid they're leaving?

2. Who even said we breathe? It might not be air.

[compact shale]

Darkness... those bubbles might be darkness? Why would darkness be leaking out of us?

As for isolation... hm...

[tulip aspen]

waayyy too many people say we definitely breathe for sure lol, there's absolutely an advocacy

[thin dirge]

The trailer was def being ominous with the creature at the bottom of the mural. It could be a dark creature, tho they seem to draw it very differently from how they usually do? We've seen how they've drawn them before from murals in previous seasons. One mural shows a person rejoicing on a very similar looking creature, so it could be a Whale of some sorts?

[fallow arrow]

well then it would be a trapped and definitely an elder whale judging from how big it is in the mural

[thin dirge]

Ive seen a much smaller, different yet similar looking creature while diving too. That could resemble the one in the mural, but idk...

[oblique oasis]

And deepcall comes from the chest

[fallow arrow]

YEAH i saw that and i thought it was the creature in the mural but then i thought it was too small and then thought it was a juvenile or young of whatever was down there and depicted in the mural

[thin dirge]

Whales are known to be Elders of the Light Creatures, shown in the concepts. They're meant to be much, MUCH bigger than depicted in game. Like, a skykid is like around the size of one of its eyes

[fallow arrow]

also do we have any idea what this creature is?

[thin dirge]

Thats the one I was referring to, the person rejoicing at a creature. Thats why I proposed it could be a whale

[fallow arrow]

ohhhh, i can see where your coming from because it is really big in comparison to all the other creatures weve seen in murals. but it looks more like a worm of a sort

[thin dirge]

We've never really seen a Whale in murals. The closest we got is in the big mural at Prophecy, but that wasnt even a whale, that was just an Elder Manta, which are actually small in comparison to a Whale, which are meant to be much bigger in canon

[compact shale]

Wait, REJOICING?!

Holy frick it's the new Messiah! /j

[tulip aspen]

ya pls send pic

sounds new to me

[oblique oasis]

Where and what is that Chinese player here

[icy spruce]

??????

[plucky tendon]

This mural and the picture looks like an ocean mine

[thin dirge]

That one def fits the real scale of a Whale in canon in comparison to an ancestor or sky kid, At least, the closest to it. There's a concept art out there depicting the real size of a Whale in comparison to a Sky kid, and they're MASSIVE, almost the same scale as the ome depicted in the mural there

[tulip aspen]

pls dont ask for passes in the server, especially in a place as random as you bc u think mods wont see it

[mellow ravine]

Where is this, if I may ask?

[plucky tendon]

We found it while we were exploring for some murals or clues

[mellow ravine]

Where in the map-?

[tulip aspen]

....if a whale had the teeth and eyes that mural does i would run, fam

[oblique oasis]

||Idk but for some reason the King krill doesn't seem polluted. Like it seems 100% natural, part of light and dark.||

[plucky tendon]

I somehow forgot but it was on a giant rock-

[tulip aspen]

fr its an absolute anomaly idk

also that creature can only be seen in an oob at the moment, so it's technically not live so please spoiler that

[fallow arrow]

OH THAT- you know the cave system in treasure reef? isnt that a mining system? there are carts and ladders and ore materials strewn across the place

[main nest]

What's the king krill?

[tulip aspen]

la sigh
@oblique oasis that creature can only be seen in an oob at the moment, so it's technically not live so please spoiler that

[plucky tendon]

Oh yeah that explains the pickaxes

[oblique oasis]

Jπc1ng is filtered now?

[mellow ravine]

Near the cackling cannoneer^^ just under the mini tower
Here’s a less stretched pic

[plucky tendon]

Ohh thank you but the mini tower looks like a light house

[main nest]

So it looks like there are 2 components to the power diamonds: light (taken from light creatures) and the stone (mined from different locations).
I noticed that swimming near the carts with raw stones will recharge the "air" bar, which is why I believe the stone needed to have certain properties to become a power diamond.
If you apply the theory of the "air" beeing darkness it get's really interesting because it would mean energy is derived by combining light an darkness.

[oblique oasis]

Actually fairly likely, since we can sit on them

[mellow ravine]

I think it was this light house - speaking of which, what caused the big scratch on it-

No no the mural is located by the mini tower aha

[polar veldt]

Wait is sky powered by Meta rays?!🤣

[thin dirge]

You mean... This?

[oblique oasis]

When all your team are fictional violence/edgy backstory enthusiasts but you try to make a childrens game

Very M-rated in a repressed way

[plucky tendon]

That looks like a water elevator like in vault

[oblique oasis]

Anything besides reincarnation in Eden was considered unnatural iirc, so the ancestors should have corpses as well

[tulip aspen]

yes, the thing with one big tooth and only one eye in game la sigh

[oblique oasis]

Sounds like TGC lmao

[polar veldt]

So why is it sealed?

[plucky tendon]

It may be part of the quest to free the mantas

[thin dirge]

Actually, I think ancestors already died when the "fall" happened. The "fall of the stars" seems to be spirit ancestors falling from the sky. Equivalent of getting knocked out fron your resting place in heaven after you died

[polar veldt]

Ye

[plucky tendon]

But it may be for the traveling of the 5th ground of where the krill king is or maybe other grounds

[oblique oasis]

The concept art would have me believe it was originally intended as a horror game, given the old krill, darkness, and elder design. It was also probably mature audiences given that Teth was supposed to be seductive and have fake skids try and trap you

A bit like little nightmares where you play as a child against the horrors of adulthood

But also if there's anything I hate more than horror games it's horror games with plot. But then i might've made an except for Sky because of the character design

[oblique oasis]

But it does imply explosion

[oblique oasis]

Looks more like screaming to me /lh

[oblique oasis]

Two things out reminded me of: Bobbitt worms, and the pale king's previous form, Wyrm

[oblique oasis]

We only see baby whales? Oh wait no better idea the whales that didn't get killed in the kablooey all have stunted growth

[fallow arrow]

we see baby whales?? where?

[oblique oasis]

The first skybot: sky lore: meme, the picture looks interesting but the season isn't open here yet

[icy spruce]

Ohhhh

[oblique oasis]

Oops

[tulip aspen]

bru

[fallow arrow]

||do we get to see this krill king sometime later in this season?||

[oblique oasis]

No one can tell me that ain't a light krill

[tulip aspen]

okay

[haughty talon]

Light slug at most

[thin dirge]

Well, you see it a lot in Sky... I have considered the possibility as well. Tho now... Unsure, cause Whales are said to be the most ancient creatures of Sky. Idk if Krills really fit the bill of that

[oblique oasis]

Well they said that the whales were supposed to be bigger so i came up with some possible explanations

[thin dirge]

When looking back at earlier concept art, there's actually two shown sizes of Whales in Sky. The one I showed shows them being CRAZILY LARGE, but there's actually another that shows them being smaller than an Elder Manta. We could just assume they just vary in size

When rereading the desc of Tom Zhao's concept art on Elder Creatures, Whales and Elder Mantas seems to be two diff versions of Elder Creatures.

Their first post of the two shows a Whale saying its an "Elder Creature" and its "the most ancient denizens of Sky" , and the second post shows an Elder Manta saying "Another take on the 'Elder Creatures' of Sky"

[main nest]

Are there any theories why the elder creatures (whale and manta in sanctuary) seem to wear "masks"?

[oblique oasis]

Might just be head armor like ancient fish had

They're pretty ancient too

[thin dirge]

The thing is tho, we've never seen a Whale on a mural before. We've only seen an Elder Manta, which was only once in the big Prophecy Mural. So the big thing on that mural is probs a Whale.

Also, GW is actually the realm seemingly strongly associated with Whales. And that just so happens to be the same realm the current season takes place in. Its inplied by the GW Elder's mask. Elders' masks tend to be about what the said Elder is associated with. Isle - Boats, Prairie - Pots, Forest - Diamonds, etc.

GW Elder's mask resembles that of a Whale's head.

Also, remember we meet a Whale when we fly to GW's Social Area from Valley.

[oblique oasis]

I. Genuinely forgot that last bit. Kinda started to rely on portals

[cedar sun]

Do the spirits... Eat krills?

[thin dirge]

(Lmao, the comments on the Whale)

[fallow arrow]

heres some concept art on sky creatures and flora. is the one that kinda looks like a whale but doesnt have the same mask looking thing just a younger whale or a different species?

also based on the size of the skeletons we see in hf and gw, there wouldve been some pretty large light creatures either in battle or something of the sort

[cedar sun]

Okay, Do spirits eat mantas?

[thin dirge]

When I look at it.... Its seems the evolution of Mantas kinda split... (Can turn into either a Whale or an Elder Manta depending on how they evolve?)

Tho, the smaller ones that resembles fishes seems closer to the Whale than Mantas.

Or maybe Elder Manta was a later concept made up after those ones you showed

[fallow arrow]

looking at it closely, some of the creature have yellow “eyes”??? and three others have blue

[cedar sun]

Hey man I'm just curious

[thin dirge]

Def resembles older concept art tbh... So I think those are just older concept art

[fallow arrow]

🤔 we actually dont really see if the ancestors eat at all, but then again theres the crab barbecue bonfire in wasteland so im not sure

[cedar sun]

Maybe it's an offering for the elders

[thin dirge]

Offerings to Elders are candles, not crabs

Tho, it does seem nice if they're hungy? If Elders eat food and all

[cedar sun]

I know I was just joking

[main nest]

This might be silly - but could light creatures maybe ... like... merge?
And the result would be different shaped bigger creatures?

[thin dirge]

The pic they just shared shows that at the right side. @main nest

[fallow arrow]

hm i dont think so, but that does raise the question: how do light creatures grow bigger? do we just assume that light creatures grow bigger as time goes on?

[thin dirge]

Probably? Thats how I always saw it

[main nest]

I don't think I see any merging :o
You mean the mantas?

[thin dirge]

Oh wait, I think I misunderstood it, oof

I thought that was merger, but the creature there mightve just been a size reference

[main nest]

yes, I think so

[tulip aspen]

ohhhhhh you're the elder manta gotcha

[random quiver]

I found more of them this thing guys

[fallow arrow]

its most likely a manta farm (where they keep mantas to make them into diamons or smth related to them) and the second is probably a darkstone mine which we can see in treasure cove (its the cave system to the left once you pass the major rock formation when you enter the water)

[cedar sun]

[burnt cove]

They used that place to extract the light from the mantas and maybe feed them to the Leviathan.

Also one of my friend gives a nice name to the Leviathan or the king krill

[compact shale]

now... WHY were they feeding the Leviathan? What for?

[burnt cove]

For research

[fallow arrow]

i had that theory too; that they were feeding the mantas to the creature at the bottom. its an interesting one

[compact shale]

We can't really be sure about those, however... we might need to wait for the next few quests

[burnt cove]

Yes, it's like SCP Foundation where they used d class for research

Also D-Class are humans

BTW fruity are you able to swim in the new area?

[compact shale]

Was able to go with a friend. Felt queasy the whole time tho. Definitely not planning to go alone. ^ .M.^

[burnt cove]

Really then you are going to have a hard time doing the fourth quest

[compact shale]

um may i ask you a question in dms

[burnt cove]

👀👀 what is it?

[tulip aspen]

any of them tbh

I'll be surprised if she makes it thru the first /hj

[burnt cove]

Lol

[compact shale]

JAM, DO YOU NOT HAVE FAITH IN UBERS?

[solid solstice]

Any theories on what caused that big scratch on what seems to be the lighthouse btw?-

[burnt cove]

@solid solstice at first I thought that it was the Leviathan but I don't think it's the Leviathan who did that

It must be some kind of huge bird or something that have huge claws

[compact shale]

What kind tho...

do you think we'll get a vs fight?

[burnt cove]

No more like darkness vs Light, I don't think light creatures will harm it's other

[solid solstice]

O facts

[compact shale]

sorry no dark whale emojis HAHFAHSDFADSFN

[burnt cove]

But we have the Leviathan but I wonder if it can fly or not

[solid solstice]

^^^

[tulip aspen]

that would be
...
awesome

[tardy whale]

To fat to fly lol, he is a big chunky worm how can he fly?

[compact shale]

if we carry them /plsdont

[burnt cove]

I think the Leviathan have completely adapted to it's natural habitat and because of that it lost it's ability to fly which is a good thing, also my friend named him Kratos.

Kratos the Leviathan LoL

[tardy whale]

I like to call him Bruno

Old joke on one of the chats here

[burnt cove]

Kratos × Bruno = Brutos.

[tardy whale]

Kranos

[burnt cove]

Yeah but I will call him Kratos

[compact shale]

Oh yeah, Bruno...

I use that as a nickname for the air meter HA HA

[burnt cove]

Lol

[quick terrace]

Took me a sec

[burnt cove]

Am I the only one or Kratos the Leviathan kinda looks like the old concept design krills?

[compact shale]

nah you aint alone

[burnt cove]

Imagine if they add those krills in the game that would be scary

[compact shale]

idunno pal... only time and goat bleats will tell...

||note: I named it Bruno, as in "we don't talk about Bruno" HAHAHAH||

[burnt cove]

Especially the hands and the huge jaw gave me nightmare

[boreal nebula]

All the murals I spotted so far
(Tiny comfirm, those are pickaxes, like in Enchantment mural, now it's clear)

[wide nymph]

So it looks like they are keeping mantas captive and draining their light. It's a light mine to make the diamond materials they use to run everything I guess.

[young ledge]

yesterday we said that they might infuse the mantas spirit/light into the diamonds to make power diamonds

[compact shale]

Yesterday on LoreChat... manta extracting!

[burnt cove]

@compact shale so it's true that the ancestors used to extract the light from the mantas in order to run their machine's

[compact shale]

well, that's what it looks like... but it's honestly kind of hard to tell what exacctly they're doing... the ancestors in one of the murals aren't holding candles to attract mantas, their arms are just weird

[burnt cove]

Perhaps they are using some kind of machine that attracts the mantas.

[compact shale]

Where would that be in the mural, though?

[burnt cove]

The one you just sent those two spirits outside the building

Also fruity have you done the first quest?

The first quest is the easiest one I have ever done LoL

[compact shale]

I DONT HAVE MY FRIEND YET BE PATIENT ^ .M.^

[burnt cove]

Wait what? You haven't done it yet , I mean it's the easiest and the safest quest in the entire season.

[compact shale]

OKAY BACK TO LORE

[burnt cove]

Ok👀

[leaden grove]

What a good view

I wonder wheres this is 👀

[wind sluice]

Finally replying to this bc I was hinting at the beta chat. Now we know there’s fish, scary big krill, algae and whatnot haha ^^

[burnt cove]

Yeah it's good that the devs add some new flora and fauna in the game

[wind sluice]

yes, It makes imaginary worlds more believable the more life is added to them

Also, the spirit/people were eating those fish, right?

[burnt cove]

One moment of silence for the Turtle and the flipping fish and starfish and some coral reefs that didn't make it to the live version.

[robust flare]

I was wondering, perhaps the manta stuff hints that there WAS a creature war. I thought the idea was scrapped, but now...

[wind sluice]

yeah 😔 but hey at least we have shells that prove snails either existed or still exist in sky

and the clams.. if they are alive by any chance. I love the less appreciated animals such as mollusks given love ^^

[burnt cove]

Everyone

[robust flare]

Oh, turtle is just a thing they use to see how living creatures move in a space. TGC named the turtle actually, I forget its name

[burnt cove]

Ok that's enough silence

[robust flare]

Nope. Need more silence

[wind sluice]

what 😭

[burnt cove]

@robust flare I think the wasteland elder fought against the king for the other light creatures, because he and many other people wasn't able to see them torturing those things so they start a rebellion or something like that against the king in order to stop them.

[robust flare]

Ooh, that is a good theory. Like. Really good

[burnt cove]

I mean all the elders were against the king especially the isle elder

[wind sluice]

Didn’t Isle elder raise the king? I forgot if that was canon

[robust flare]

I have always thought that part of the problem was that somd of the spirits or elders couldn't actually see the consequences of their actions (happens in real life too)

[wind sluice]

they were probably unaware of the details of light farming ?

[south badger]

the second area in wasteland looks a lot like a destroyed creature refinery in early concept art, take a look! even if they weren’t aware of these things. they were probably definitely going on right in front of them… makes you wonder how it was being overseen.. perhaps that’s why it was destroyed so quickly?

[robust flare]

Yep, I shared that concept art yesterday and no one noticed 😭

[south badger]

omg no i totally noticed, i’ve been ranting about it to my friend on the phone all night LOL i especially liked the early valley concept i think you shared that one as well

[robust flare]

I wonder if wasteland had a community of people who were struggling to survive? Idk, I'm probably reaching. I was just thinking, maybe they didn't have other options

[wind sluice]

the season spirits included probably, though they seem to have been around in later times

[burnt cove]

I feel really sorry for the isle elder , he raised king Resh like his own family and in the end he got betrayed by him:( a really sad story.

[south badger]

wasteland definitely had industrialization, and as we know from history heavily industrialized areas tend to create a lot of struggles for people living there so i think that would definitely give them motivation to rebel against it

[robust flare]

I was thinking about the labor aspect. Mining is dangerous work

[wind sluice]

But many wasteland spirits seem to be like.. constantly in danger

[wind sluice]

That one spirit memory in forest 😔

[robust flare]

I think most wasteland spirits are from during storm maybe? Idk, the timeline is getting very confusing for me

[south badger]

yeah absolutely that too, im not sure everyone wants to and would be happy to mine resources for creature draining facilities

[wind sluice]

It looks like all the spirit memories match the current state of wasteland which was destroyed by the storm

[robust flare]

I question when the current season happened. It's so hard to tell

[wind sluice]

Again, it looks more recent than others

[south badger]

sad to think about if storm is so powerful it even wiped out the memories of our ancestors before it…

[compact shale]

Oof...

[robust flare]

I agree, I just wonder about how the storm didn't reach that area, and how so many people survived...though I guess the current season is probably a mix of pre-storm and post-storm?

[wind sluice]

Can someone reply to this? >< I just wanna make sure I’m seeing the memory correctly

[robust flare]

Oh. I actually wondered that myself! Maybe they were just going to use the fish to grow mantas

[south badger]

i’m pretty sure they caught them to eat? thinking in the sense that they’re scavengers, would they have the knowledge or reason to grow them into mantas?

[wind sluice]

Yeah I just… it seems the spirits needed to eat but we don’t know what they lived off of. Fish is the easiest food tbh, so since they are trying to survive it seemed like that to me.

I don’t think they were around when the light farming place was being used, so they probably didn’t need mantas for anything