lore-discussion-spoilers

[boreal nebula]

When I have free time. Without a solid schedule 😅
CRing ever since Sanctuary, with many hiatuses from Lore

[nimble ingot]

Valley as two 'societies' implied by the buildings.
The citadel is this high society, with athletes and champions.
While the other side of town is less fancy with the gold and more 'down to esrth.'

I like to think of the song, uptown girl by Billy Joel would nicely describe the kingdom.

[burnt cove]

guys I want to ask you one more thing and it's about the thing that appears in the enchanted caves in the forest. Is that thing a fish or a Mammal ?

[nimble ingot]

Fair enough.
Hope all is well.

[nimble ingot]

Unsure.
Sky's light creatures are a bit weird.
One the one hand, they are based on marine life, on the other hand, the creature are supposedly born in clouds.

[boreal nebula]

commonly know as Whale, even because there is a Whale Whispered that gives us the Fish Call. But I wonder if our concept of Mammal could stand in a world of flying fishes

[burnt cove]

I like to call him as the Elder.

[boreal nebula]

How far are you in the game? Cause now I'm curious how you call any creature spotted in Sanctuary

[burnt cove]

1 year

[boreal nebula]

So how could you describe the giant "fish" jumping around Sanctuary waters in circle?

[burnt cove]

Oh that thing is a Elder Manta.

[boreal nebula]

Ok, it's just that something we wonder if that has any tie with either a manta or a whale

[hushed steeple]

Look backwards for when I was mentioned. Yes im completely certain TLP has a special statue with his arm out when dying in eden.

[burnt cove]

That thing is a Manta but it seems like it's more Evolved

[hushed steeple]

ITS A WHALE.

[boreal nebula]

Maybe I dont recall correctly, but I think TLP appeared not too near the Red Diamond

[burnt cove]

How is that thing a whale 😂 that thing have a Manta tail.

[hushed steeple]

Hang on I got a pic of tlp statue but its uh....

You base if its a manta off its tail?! Then the “whale” is totally a fish! >:[

[boreal nebula]

Maybe it is , maybe it is not (the crux of Lore )

[burnt cove]

@hushed steeple you mean the Elder

And also whales are mammal

[hushed steeple]

I don’t base if its a manta off its tail. I think the elder light creature is prolly related to mantas in game. But the fact is it looks like a whale and the “whale” which is based off a coelacanth is a fish. The mammal is a manta and the fish is a mammal. SKREEEEEEEE.

Wait I was supposed to find my tlp photo

[boreal nebula]

I think creature, if they evolve into one another, they don't do it in a pokemon evolution. Maybe more in a Darwin evolution, over rebirth cycles.
After all we can see regular mantas from small to huge, babies of the multiwinged cosmic manta in Vault and also those pancakes flying around Sanc Bells, who have a single dorsal horn (maybe they will grow into the kind/queen mantas, those with 4 wings)

[icy spruce]

Tuna king

I call the sanc “whale” or “elder manta” kekw

[hushed steeple]

I found it. Princey arm out, others both arms in

[boreal nebula]

Then, there is the possibility of creature branching out into a completely different species 😅

[icy spruce]

Kamil that’s rude >:[

[burnt cove]

@boreal nebula the small mantas that fly around the bell tower are actually pygmy mantas.

[hushed steeple]

I made a chart of that once

[boreal nebula]

Oh.. you mean just with a streched arm, like us?

[icy spruce]

Lmao the amount of question marks

[burnt cove]

@hushed steeple never in my life I thought that I will see something like this, it's literally like Pokemon ahhhhhhhhhh

[frigid tinsel]

Something something evolutionary trees

[burnt cove]

Wait what about dark creatures??

[hushed steeple]

I have a much larger wishlist of creatures not in game.....but due to that slipped like two of them in there

[boreal nebula]

That's a mystery

[hushed steeple]

Dark creatures are corrupted light ones. They can prolly corrupt at any stage. So counterparts can be drawn.

[frigid tinsel]

Dark creatures are corrupted light creatures so it’s unlikely they’re alive enough to evolve — I think of them like zombies

[boreal nebula]

Only thing devs once said in a devblog was that they were a creature, corrupted. Many think they were once whales

[burnt cove]

@frigid tinsel they are not zombies they have emotions and they are not mindless.

[hushed steeple]

Depends on the dark creature. I think krills gotta be mantatees.

[frigid tinsel]

Zombie doesn’t imply mindless

[hushed steeple]

Emotions......debatable. Instinct? Completely. They, sure are hungry.

Crabs can also help eachother. That can be instinct too.

[frigid tinsel]

As for crabs, I think of their minds corrupted but their forms otherwise unchanged by darkness. Krill... oh yea zombies. They ain’t the same.

Corruption is liable to warp one’s mind as much as one’s physical form.

[hushed steeple]

WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT

NO BETA IN CHAT

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[boreal nebula]

Please, let's avoid refering anything not yet in game. We have no idea how the development unfold before release of the season

[frigid tinsel]

All my effort avoiding beta content and blokes just toddle in here bellowing at the sky

[burnt cove]

:)

[hushed steeple]

Thats, really nasty dude.

[burnt cove]

it's good that I didn't mention about him :)

[hushed steeple]

I think I should leave

[frigid tinsel]

You’re not suppose to discuss beta content outside of the beta channels

[boreal nebula]

You think darkness, changed crabs too?

I think I see them pretty fine, considering there are peaceful crabs in Office and in some remote isle in Sanctuary

I think they decide to use a more solid rock as shell/shelter

[burnt cove]

I am sorry about the small tiny spoiler

[boreal nebula]

I think that mini info could change nothing. I and other along the age supposed there could be mini krill, given that there are weird shapes stuck/pierced on the Shipwreck in GW

Supposing these allegedly babies didn't have brute force, they maybe tried to use tails to attack/cut

[frigid tinsel]

Well the passive crabs don’t have darkness particles on them while the corrupted ones that do are hostile. I think of it like rabies, with the darkness feasting on their inner light (their eyes glow) and causing them to be hungry for light in turn, hence attacking skykids.

Could you shush about beta stuff

[burnt cove]

Ok

[boreal nebula]

Careful about what you say

While search for "does TLP has a sword in the book" I found this quote which is quite truthtelling about the devs intention/inspiration from the book

“Stars mean different things to different people. For travellers, stars tell them where they are, where they are going. For others, they are just little lights in the sky. For scholars, they are the world of the unknown, yet to be discovered and understood. For my businessman, they are gold. But all stars stay silent. And you? No one else in the world will see the stars as you do… For you, and only for you, the stars will always be laughing.”

What is a star?
A sky kid that falls and learn to laugh and cry?
An Elder or an Ancestors?
An elemental light that needs to be harnessed? (Ench / Proph)
An instrument or a prop, or maybe even just a bowtie?

[icy spruce]

cmon guys, we all know stars are rocks smh smh

[boreal nebula]

like that light/star symbol on the cosmetic kiosk

[frigid tinsel]

Something something stardust

[boreal nebula]

and me that I thought they were giant gas furnaces 🤓

[icy spruce]

where did you that ‘giant gas furnaces’ smh smh

/j

[frigid tinsel]

Some stars are iron forges

[boreal nebula]

Probably some book of fiction where Earth is round

/j

[icy spruce]

Cmon, Teb the Earth is HOLLOW

[boreal nebula]

So, it is not even a disc held by 4 elephants on the back of cosmic turtle?

[icy spruce]

Isn’t that for Mars

[frigid tinsel]

Thought the earth was a hypersphere, a bunch of circles inside circles inside circles and we’re only on one plan of existence, one version of earth

[hushed steeple]

We all know its cannnndle

[boreal nebula]

Indeed, some scientist think that many heavy materials reached Earth from far away dead star which were able to forge electrons and protons into bigger atoms than Hydrogen -> Helium 🤓

So in a way, we humans are children of the stars

[frigid tinsel]

The earth is a candle and the moon is cake

[icy spruce]

Its all cake?

always has been

[frigid tinsel]

We are made of stardust

[burnt cove]

I wish King Resh was in game:(

[boreal nebula]

An atom of Oxygen is pretty heavy (8 electrons) compared to Hydrogen (1 electrons) and Helium (2 electrons), and that is just to tell how complicate water is made of. Iron is very heavy (26) and essential for our bloodstream.

[burnt cove]

King Resh was a Chad.

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable.

[boreal nebula]

At least it would explain if it was completely E V I L or simply misunderstood

Maybe he simply wasn't good at math..
King: "Hey guys, I think I messed up a minus here, don't power it just yet---"
BOOM

[hushed steeple]

“You must be this tall to rule the kingdom with an iron fist”

Alef: “just you wait >:[“

[boreal nebula]

And the Mechasuit Theory was born 🦾 🦿

He should have simply created some limb enhancer like Peridot from Steven Universe

[hushed steeple]

Instead of multiple kids standing in a trenchcoat, its one kid standing in a face hole.

[boreal nebula]

= 🕵️

[frigid tinsel]

Who says the king’s mech suit wasn’t one really big trenchcoat

[boreal nebula]

You reminded me that I once wondered how 🆒 would be a king cape...

Bigger than any other and even reminding about Megabird

So long that when not opened it would touch the ground, like Batman's cape in some iterations

Which would explain the base shape of all the King statues/turrets

[hushed steeple]

LA isle king statue has king arms confirmed

[willow prawn]

I thought I was talking here but I was in general?

[hushed steeple]

Welcome back to cool kids club

[willow prawn]

Explains why conversation was so turbulent i was wondering how did we end up talking about such topics

[hushed steeple]

HA honestly sometimes lorechat accurate too

[boreal nebula]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/68/TBBatman1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/480?cb=20190920164342
Imagine this with the closed cape

[willow prawn]

Lorechat Is turbulent but always about lore, not complaining about game itself

Anyways! Really want next season to launch i want new areas to exploreeee

[icy spruce]

Haha ‘not complaining about the game itself’ looks at the history of lore chat and KP

[keen shore]

Something interesting about the sword here is that it’s a lot shorter than it’s counterparts in Eden. (There are swords in battlefield too like you mentioned but their blades are more of a rectangle shape, although it’s hard to tell exactly because of the sand burying their tips)

Which is neat BECAUSE it implies that the massive swords are not meant to be used by normal size ancestors, since normal size ancestor here has a much smaller sword. Discuss

And yes. I am still sad we did not get a sword

[willow prawn]

KP... King and Prince?

[icy spruce]

King Propaganda

you dont want to know

[willow prawn]

Agreeing with you, so instead I'll answer Salem haha

The blade in this sword isn't regular, it's more like a saw, which makes sense in a maritime adventure for probably... Cutting fish or something?

[keen shore]

For reference the size difference between the Eden swords. You can tell just by looking that the one in the teaser picture is a LOT smaller although they have the same shape

Also keep in mind the blades are probably made out of stone at a glance and judging how common stone. This limits how sharp they can get compared to iron and makes it more likely they’d be used as clubs or blunt force weapons. Again, this part is going a bit out on a limb because we don’t know how much weapon facts were researched by the devs, but it IS interesting because stone probably wouldn’t get sharp enough to cut up meats

[icy spruce]

Prolly

[keen shore]

Adding on to this that blade still seems really big if its main purpose is to cut fish. It would be hard to maneuver in the exact movements required to skin (I am unsure if this is the right word) and fillet fish, especially since it’s made of stone. Plus notice how it has two points on the end instead of just being a traditional knife shape? Hmmm

I really see a single sword and post an entire essay on it huh

[icy spruce]

that’s lore chat for u

[keen shore]

The real reason they removed the sword was actually to prevent me from flooding this chat with sword facts

[hushed steeple]

Oh thats what was different

[boreal nebula]

I hardly believe we would ever get a sword, look at one of the Office spirit, it clearly has a spear equipped on their back...

It's a game for all ages and even with just an umbrella/firework stuff we can get a bonk similarity in some memes, imagine how "intimidating" could be for a moth to lit a veteran with sword in hands

[willow prawn]

I would swear there are swords with that shape...

Gimme one sec, got a friend to interview

[hushed steeple]

“ARE YOU MAD YOU CAN’T GIVE THE CHILDREN A SWORD!?”

Pirateman: -looks at TLP- “but”

[icy spruce]

If tgc gives skids swords, there’s gonna be a lot of blood (or light)

[hushed steeple]

“Toy” sword completely different. Right? R-right?

[boreal nebula]

Given that they are able to welder gold and give the sound of Forest Elder's anvil I think those could also be made out of iron

[keen shore]

I’m checking different sword shapes as we speak do not worry. The main trouble will probably be finding one with those two prongs on the end.

Figuring out if they’re stone or iron is a bit weird, because the concept of making stone weapons so far into the civilization is odd plus the sound evidence like you mentioned makes you think they’re iron, but they have the exact stone texture and color. Plus the shields which are likely made out of the same material break like stone, and parts of the blades on both spears and swords that you can see in GW show missing chunks you’d see in stone but probably not iron

[boreal nebula]

Forgot to reply to the pirate-TLP comment

That's why I wonder TLP was a foil, for the simple style there is the sport of fencing. Completely safe ||if you are wearing face protection 👁️ ||

[willow prawn]

I asked and he says that the swords are indeed for slashing, but they're too big / thick for it. Looks more like a blunt weapon

[frigid tinsel]

What if those giant swords weren’t for ancestors?
For instance, in orbit, the Valley elder(s) have blades, not paddles

[boreal nebula]

maybe the texture is just a hint at how much their metallurgy techniques are developped. For example iron once was pretty different before the invention of furnaces for steel

Also, commonly IRL we call iron knife our usual tools for eating, but, they are actually made out of a weak steel alloy

[boreal nebula]

I think their paddles are actually intended to look like that 🏏 instead of the suggested shape from the constellation bent like some hockey paddle 🏒

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, what's stopping them from switching out whatever they're wielding?

[tulip aspen]

THANK YOU

[frigid tinsel]

12 o'clock: pick up the paddles for the 1pm tournament
1 o'clock: play some games in the stadium
4 o'clock: pick up the swords from the blacksmith
5 o'clock: murder™️

[tulip aspen]

bruhhhhh that sucks

[burnt cove]

Wasteland elder have a good spear tho.

[willow prawn]

Poor guy got luscious hair in promo but not really

[boreal nebula]

They look so lively that could master different sports, after all

[tulip aspen]

an interesting thing id like to note is ash's artistic rendition letting their eyes have actual emotion

if only..

[tulip aspen]

@burnt cove please delete the message below this one, this is a heavy beta spoiler, not cool

[boreal nebula]

I suddenly realized.... scrolled through #news Water Prophet was the last TS before the new TS showed up with addition props...

we were so close to have some kind of water based prop (maybe)....
now we need to way forever till Water will return with the last prop from Prophecy

[tulip aspen]

dude.

[tulip aspen]

im gonna ping a mod guys, that person isn't gonna delete the message anytime soon and i want our people to be able to scroll thru lorechat freely

@zealous sedge sorry, there's a beta spoiler in the message just below this one and they didn't really care to delete it, can you vanish it please

[boreal nebula]

BTW can anyone help me with this?

[keen shore]

YEAHH that was my guess, I’m glad someone else backed it up

I’ll get these for you today when I candle run in ToA :^) they’re pretty easy to get

[tulip aspen]

not really, especially that requires going screenshot crazy thru your account's first playthrough of prophecy

maybe there's a vid of a full prophecy playthrough somewhere? otherwise idk...

[keen shore]

The subtitles appears each time you enter the trials I believe. If we’re thinking about the same ones

[boreal nebula]

I doubt there is a playthrough, still it's worth a shot

[tulip aspen]

teb also mentioned the subtitles that occur when you first get the quests and first beat them

i too would want to hear if anything's unique about those from other seasons

[keen shore]

I didn’t realize but I can probably find a full quest guide for each one on YouTube that includes them. There were lots of walkthroughs on how to do them (I should know, I had to rely on them for trial of fire because I KEPT GETTING LOST) so shouldn’t be too hard to get, just requires finding the right ones where they don’t edit out the cutscenes.

It might take a bit going through each video but not impossible

[willow prawn]

Sorry! I know the water one is something like time divides all contenders, but I don't remember the others and I'm not sure if the translation is different (I play in Spanish)

[tulip aspen]

i mean its not your job to Salem dw if it's trouble kay?

[keen shore]

No worries, it’s pretty easy! I have an idea on where to go already. Be back in ~10 minutes

[tulip aspen]

the legend goes off to go Megan's work

[boreal nebula]

Ywah, it's something along this line in Italian too, I'm curious how good it got adapted from the originals in English

[zealous sedge]

@burnt cove accidentally spoiling something is one thing, deliberately teasing or trolling with spoilers is another thing entirely. Please save beta content for when it goes live if you wish to discuss it, it’s less than a week now til season launches. Or there are the beta channels you are more than welcome to go to for beta spoiler discussions.

[boreal nebula]

Trail of Water: Time divides each contender

[keen shore]

Water Trial, credit to nastymold on yt for screenshots if that’s necessary

Trial of Earth, including the first screenshots just in case the glowy color is important. This is actually the best trial because there are spiders everywhere. Sorry, I don’t make the rules.

[nimble ingot]

Nothing is stopping you from doing that. ;)

[nimble ingot]

The closest a akykid can get to weapons, is the staff and the sword from the little prince's outfit.

[tulip aspen]

YESSS MOLD TY SALEM

[keen shore]

Trial of Air. Easy to get even if I had to listen to my favorite trial getting trashtalked… although the reasons for hating it is understandable. Complex parkour on ice? Easy. Expecting me to have a working sense of direction in order to complete the Fire Trial? UNREASONABLE

And lastly, Trial of Fire. Probably has the most interesting subtitle so far

Included the glowy eye color to try and match them with the enchantment lights!

[nimble ingot]

That is my favourite trail.

[keen shore]

I want to enjoy it more because I love Fire themed things but I KEEP GETTING LOST..

Probably significant that the last and hardest one is based around Fire, which seems to be the most valued out of the four elements as well

[tulip aspen]

"You have honored the _"

Water-Wisdom of Patience
"Time divides each contender"
Earth-Wisdom of Resilience
"Tenacity reveals the way home."
Air-Wisdom of Balance
"Master the harmony of the heights."
Fire-Wisdom of Courage
"Only the brave will attain the light."

The quotes sound a lot like the moth's journey in a way

[keen shore]

The last three I can see, I do wonder how the first is meant to relate to the moths journey though. Hmmmm

[nimble ingot]

Really? what triggered the bot this time?
Fine then, I am not going to test the darn thing.

[boreal nebula]

I had to admit... it was the hardest ever, because you get to see where you were needed to get, you could also see other succeeding, but you keep dying even if the thing seeems to simple (jump on a jet and reach that)

I sweared I would ever never do that again (first time I was there for 20-30 minutes) ||but I lied to myself and redid that within a week, because despite what nastymold said in the video, there were candles there, 10, hidden behind the 7 ice pillars||

[keen shore]

It sucks the first time but after 10 runs it gets easier each time, except for the jet propelling thingies. They’re out of your control each time which makes them the most frustrating aspect

[boreal nebula]

Heck, back then the CR was intense... you want just 10 wax unitS? || S U F F E R ||

[nimble ingot]

During the season, there was no candles.
They were probably added after the video came out. When the candle running mechanic changed.

[keen shore]

Me being best at the trial of air is ironic because flying is the aspect I struggle with most in the game

[boreal nebula]

I know, infact I helped alot of stray moths in there, honking to le them get an idea when to jump (like a 1, 2, 3, GOGOGO) one even took 40 minutes there with my deep call to cheer him up

[keen shore]

Which elder was given the earth light again? Wasn’t it the prairie elder?

[boreal nebula]

Oh,no, I bet there were. There were atleast in Water and Earth too,, where I on my first run discovered the far patch of candle in Water ||the har way... Really I reached that before gettin shiny during first run exploration||||Problem was there was/is a checkpoint that trapped me there.... it was twice as hard to get away from there||

And during my 3rd-ish run of Earth I discovered the 6th candle spot (it's between the obvious 3rd and 4th, but it's easier to reach by walking on walls from the spider totem)

[willow prawn]

Best way to fight the getting lost is with two friends from your hands so your only worry is direction and not turning off

[keen shore]

See, the issue is I’m too shy to make friends in Sky which means I have to do it alone 😔

[boreal nebula]

Lucky you , Arabrax, I was solo most of the time ||or Earth Trial was still bugged, you fall, then servers split||

[willow prawn]

Oh, yeah! In Earth Trial, me and my friends fell enough times to end again in the server with each other then split again

But if you all ever want someone to hang out, I'm free specially for detailed lore runsss

[keen shore]

Thank you, I really appreciate it ❤️ I’m trying to think of areas to explore for lore

[willow prawn]

That sign is for QR?

[boreal nebula]

mmm, so it was just fire without candles... yeah, I see... I even made a wish in WIshlist to add something as a reward, Fire seemed soo ... unrewarding back then (poor WL left along)

[willow prawn]

So do you think these messages are also related to where each wisdom ended?

[boreal nebula]

Anyway, so this is the summary of all messages (excluded the embark in this, return there and wish granted)

Cave of Prophecies: Beware the Ancient Trials
Trial of Water: Time divides each contender
-> You have honored the Wisdom of Patience.
Trial of Earth: Tenacity reveals the way home
-> You have honored the Wisdom of Resilience.
Trial of Air: Master the harmony of heights
-> You have honored the Wisdom of Balance.
Trial of Fire: Only the brave will attain the light
-> You have honored the Wisdom of Courage.

Note It's called Cave of Prophecies (plural) unlike the Season of Prophecy (singular)

Maybe because we see how the prophecy of the Chosen One (the Prince/King maybe) come true
IMHO the other prophecies are about
a1. the falling of the 4 Stars that will be used to create the shrines of the trials to enter the dimensions of the trials
a2. how they pupils will try to pass the trials
b. the fall of the kingdom (maybe just as an omen from the krill spotted in the final mural)
c. the location where we skykids will find the 4 Elements out of the 6 Colored Lights lost by Enchantment

Plus it's curios how the Trial of Fire speaks of a singular "the brave" which will succeed

[tulip aspen]

if it relates to the moth's journey, then it could be referring to either the mp is canon theory where it's noting there's many winged children of light, or it's talking about the moth vs the Chosen One (prince)

[tulip aspen]

hmm, what do you mean?

[boreal nebula]

Added a subtle distinction between a1. an a2. , creating the trial, let people attend to the trials (they were showed in two different times, so I like to underline that

[pastel brook]

I, Skybot, judge of all trials, find @boreal nebula to be a cool Sky kid

[tulip aspen]

what 4 stars?
which mural is that?

[keen shore]

I’m not entirely sure what this means can you explain? Sorry :(

[boreal nebula]

Maybe it's my own open interpretation

in the first cutscene from QG you see stars falling (3 visible trails above clouds) on Isle
While in Isle there are murals (maybe in a remote Stargazer one, iirc) 4 lights, travelling on boats (to Isle temple i think)

But after all in the Cave we see Isle Elder Daleth sending the boat to the entrance of the Cave (stairs)

NOTE ; the (not yet) Chosen One appears in that mural only with the floating braziers activated after FIre Trial is concluded, hence the 2 times I was talking about
IMHO they same 4 murals showed after each trial, together tell a second story, Prince Prophecy

[keen shore]

As far as we know so far, falling stars turn into people. I don’t think they’d help create the trial dimensions, but maybe it’s how the prophets were born or something :-)

[boreal nebula]

Added some more details 🆙

[boreal nebula]

I think there is/was another mural with 4 people carrying those 4 stars

[keen shore]

Also sort of related because tebs post made me think of it. Does anyone know the significance of the other two enchantment lights that aren’t accounted for in the prophecy murals? My best guess is that the other two elders got them but maybe used them for stuff that wasn’t really significant enough to be put in the murals…

I will check the murals later

[boreal nebula]

Can't remember if it's the big on in Isle on the huge ramp with the white candles

Most of us agree that the Purple must be tied to knowledge (not only it was inside the Archives, but also allow us to get potion from Ark)

[keen shore]

What’s the other one that was unaccounted for? I think the orange light?

[willow prawn]

As in... The elder of forest gets the water wisdom if I'm not wrong. But I'm not sure they show patience or so, so I just question if it's not related?

[boreal nebula]

The Red maybe it's more cryptic.. it's found in dark spots (like the back cave of Ark or inside the Shipwreck) and nod muralist use it to depict their story

[willow prawn]

Sorry! I saw your react to my message above and I was asking if it was go send you QR

[keen shore]

It’s really hard to tell from here if the glow is orange or red unfortunately. My guess is the wasteland elder got red light, because it looks more on the red side to me and the red light is in GW, but honestly who knows

[boreal nebula]

I once suggested it's tied to death or catastrophy... but maybe it's just somehow tied to history/relevant events

[tulip aspen]

whaaa
ill have to lookfor myself ig

im in work mode rn lorechat gib headche

[keen shore]

I’m going to check out the prophecy murals, I’ll drop by there and try to look for it & send a screenshot if I can

[boreal nebula]

I cannot recall if Forest get that element... If would be nice to be sure

[true grove]

I don't think prophets used enchantment lights (if that's the correct topic rn)
Rather enchantment ancestors came after and simply used the 4 colors for the trials for their own lights.
I think prophets were very ancient (around the time when only ligjt energy was used) and enchantment ancestors were around when darkstone was popular

[tulip aspen]

as ive said before, its more like the Chosen One would let them have the benefits of those powers he's gained, but I still believe he kept the powers for himself

[boreal nebula]

I think GW got the Orange glow, Fire Element. Red and Purple were not in Prophecy as we know!

With Fire Element he maybe built the King Turrets

[willow prawn]

Yeah! I just mean, I don't particularly see Forest is patient. I can see the Courage in Wastelands or the Balance in Valley. But resilience and patience just ??? I dunno.

[keen shore]

There seems to be an obvious difference in time between the two. I could be wrong but I think you can see power diamonds in the ark, and plus the working theory seems to be that golden wasteland was only discovered or inhabited after season or prophecy if that makes sense due to not having any really visible ancient ruins, and the lack of pre disaster spirit memories there.

The real question is if the lights stayed the same. I feel like it’s not a coincidence that some of the enchantment lights and the prophecy lights are the same color, it feels too much like a hint to ignore, but I could again be wrong. It’s hard to tell personality wise because most of our source for elder personalities is a minute long cutscene lol

[hushed steeple]

[boreal nebula]

Indeed, they didn't used, I think they foresaw the event and tried to prepare the Chosen One to harness the Elements that will make the Kingdom boost its civilization

[true grove]

Prophecy lights?

[tulip aspen]

where did resilience go to?

i could see the production hard labor that forest elder oversees needing a lot of patience

id know, im a tradesman

[keen shore]

Someone mentioned a theory awhile ago that the light traits represent how you traverse each realm. I’m like 50% sure it was jam but I could be wrong. For example you have to be patient to avoid losing your light to rain in HF, you have to be courageous in wasteland and not run at the first sign of krill, and you have to have balance and precision to navigate the flying and sliding races in valley of triumph.

Resilience/perseverance is a bit harder to pin down though

[willow prawn]

Resilience is in Prairie I think

[tulip aspen]

tbf a lot of wasteland may have gotten buried, also according to vela and ash it could have possibly just been waterside factories at a shipyard bay

[tulip aspen]

right @rigid mural ?

[keen shore]

I think prairie elder got the green light from the murals but perseverance is a lot harder to connect to daylight prairie.

And to specify I meant how you navigate the realms, not them, although there could be similarities across time

[tulip aspen]

prolly wasnt me lol

[rigid mural]

Ash said that they think the shipwreck area had a higher water level according to their theories
I extrapolated and suggested there might have been water elsewere in the realm

[boreal nebula]

I dont think its just a hint, I think that clues are confirmed with the props the last Enchantment TS brought. It used to have the glyph seen in Ench to hint flames, but now that prop (or any daily quest about a colored light) has the glyph from Prophecy!

FOr example tooday it was BLue Light, which had the drop of water from Ench, now it has the river glyph from Proph

[rigid mural]

With the new season being another featuring boats, I do theorise Wastelands had a powerful naval power; not only for war but also for trades. Kinda like those capitals by the sea

[tulip aspen]

because of you ive been seeing graveyard as a docking bay area

[keen shore]

Also I might have to check over the enchantment cutscenes to confirm this but iirc, they had the symbols for each light in the enchantment custscenes that also matched the light symbols & the prophets’ symbols

Which is neat! but a bit strange because why weren’t the other two considered important enough to have prophets & trials as well? Did they come into existence later on as the result of ancestor activities?

[boreal nebula]

Resilience was Earth, and it went to Prairie Elder which used to grow plants

wchih is also nice how it similar to the clue for Green Light from Enchatment about grass (a gift from air to earth)

[tulip aspen]

I would personally like to believe that the control over the elements was figurative and that in general these four powers granted to the chosen one just made him extremely powerful in general

after all it just says wisdom of not magical spells of

so maybe all it did was give the prince wisdom in the end

[boreal nebula]

Maybe these 2 are less elemental, yet powerful energy that WE will find out, sooner or later
WAFO

[hushed steeple]

[keen shore]

The only evidence that they gave actual elemental powers & not just wisdom, or power like a crown would, is in currently unproven theories. For example, the idea that if wasteland was once filled with water, it all evaporated from the gift of fire, or the floating islands in prairie are the result of the gift of earth. It’s possible but hard to prove other than headcanon space currently.

The red and purple light could be less elemental, as instead of holding power like earth or fire or whatever, they’re “attracted” to things. Red light is attracted to darkness. Purple light is attracted to knowledge. Both are things that existed mostly later on in the kingdoms lifespan, & both could be argued to contribute to the kingdoms downfall. Maybe they were more like omens than gifts

Furthering this idea is the fact that the “omen” ones existed when the prophets were already long gone, meaning the initial 4 wouldn’t need to be omens if that makes sense

[tulip aspen]

yeah unfortunately there's no proof for anything much

[keen shore]

Most of our “knowledge” is assumptions based off assumptions based off assumptions lol

[boreal nebula]

BTW, yes, Forest Elder (Teth) got the Water Element (which in my mind gave here also the wisdom to use the abundace of source from Forest to create a water system that here giant golden dynamo power (if not in Forest Temple, in Broken Temple of GW)

BTW water is patience, yes, but let's not forget that water wrath 🥶

[tulip aspen]

I still hold true that the enchantment lights are just what the one-use light spells of that day looked like and those were just more powerful versions only rich nobles like the enchantment crew had and not actually some cryptic ancient powers

[keen shore]

I wonder if it would be theoretically possible to fill a cotl with elemental light

Also note that water has a reputation for knocking everything else out of its path, which… yeah Teth definitely does that
How elemental they actually are and/or their true natures is currently unknown to us unfortunately. I personally don’t believe they’re one use spells as mentioned above, partly just as a gut feeling, but also because I’m not really sure why the enchantment spirits would want them back — it’s not like they can use them. Maybe fragments or their light can be used as a spell ingredient or something

[hushed steeple]

Eh. Eh. Eh? I think its intended to be elements. Since, you know. The names od@th e prophets and the whole murals on the walls and the- keand does nt a otssssss

Anyway I am gonna continue thinking the stars as trial gifts are elements. Nnnnnnmm haaada

[keen shore]

I agree more with Kami but I just don’t know if the elders could actually use them or anything along those lines. My working headcanon is that although they couldn’t be controlled directly, they gifted the realm with prosperity based on that element, like the gift of earth helped DP’s soil be fertile, the gift of water ensured droughts were never a worry, and so on, and had a use similar to crowns in that the person who received them automatically became a leader of some kind.

Maybe the enchantment spirits just stole them after the elders disappeared in hopes they could use them to make wherever they landed viable to live in.. it is fun to imagine them pulling off a massive heist for them

[hushed steeple]

Anywho. Heres part 1 manta and bird edition. (Kamconian wishlist ver) Elder bird was totally in flight in this version

[keen shore]

Ooh where are the celestial & antennae mantas? Are those just wishlist things?

I want to do a full anatomy diagram of some of the creatures sometime but it’s made a lot harder by the fact that we only ever really get to see their rib cages for some reason

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, they are wishlist. Some inspired by concept art.

[keen shore]

They’re really pretty! I like the idea of having different manta & bird subspecies

[tulip aspen]

awesome as always

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[regal phoenix]

lore chat when sky bbot sends that message ^

[frigid tinsel]

re: trials didn’t give elemental powers to Chosen One, just wisdom.
Perhaps the trials gave Chosen One (or whoever completed any of the trials) the knowledge on how to use those kinds of lights. The murals do depict Chosen One granting those lights to the Elders, which could also mean Chosen One spread the knowledge of how to utilize those lights to the corresponding Elders. With the wisdom all together, Chosen One was able to lead the kingdom to prosperity

Alternatively, whatever powers were granted at the end of the trials were in limited supply. Chosen One got them all, so we don’t get them, just the ~wisdom~

[keen shore]

Hello I ran around isle and got a bunch of mural pics which I will probably compile later into a doc for viewing ease. I just wanted to share this picture from forgotten ark. Two of these guys just decided to wear on an umbrella on their head. They’re smarter than all of us

Also, symbol comparison

[coarse gate]

Guys i have a question

[nimble ingot]

I suppose the symbols were much different between seasons.
Either the devs during enchantment had a different idea and during prophecy they wanted to change them.

Or the spirits had different symbols

[coarse gate]

Did the kingdom of sky have a ruler

Like a king or royal family

[nimble ingot]

Sky had concept art showing a 7th elder. The elder of Eden, or better known as the King, is not present in the same way as the other elders. Based on some notes and partly on qoutes from moderators/devs.
Either he is missing, or dead, but his diamond symbol is present throughout the realms.

There is but 1 mural image of him, as well as the turrets in wasteland representing him (king propaganda statues) and the giant ones in ||the eye of eden||.

[coarse gate]

Oh my lord 😨

So was the great darkness happened when he disappeared

[nimble ingot]

Yup.
There are theories about him causing th edarkness calamity. That or the darkness occured as a part of his corruption.

The king is likely been corrupted by darkness. Though since there is not much to go off in the game itself. It is a waiting game to see what the end of the story might look like.

Fun fact, because of the darkness, the dark dragons (krill) were corrupted. So, at one point they were much different before the dsrkness has spread.

[coarse gate]

The krill probably were the multi mantas in the past I think

[nimble ingot]

Probably.
I am heading off.
Good luck with your endevours.

[coarse gate]

Ok have nice evening or day were ever time it is over there ❤️

[frail violet]

I’m just gonna throw my random theory out here bc I can: The elders are just regular people, but from a time before the war and they were put as the leaders of each kingdom but then they were the last of their kind. Then the spirits came about and they lived and interacted with the kingdoms post-war (like in their memories) But then some thing happened, maybe with the dark dragons and the spirits were trapped in their statue things. And maybe the only thing the elders could do about this was to make Sky children, that would set the spirits free. (I’m sure there’s a theory similar to to this that’s more thought out but I just wanted to share And then seasonal spirits, well that’s a whole other thing on its own

[sharp lichen]

we stan the ruler of sky.

[oblique oasis]

Okie dokie what did I miss

Also, here's some stuff to chew on, the Hebrew alphabet looks a lot like the proto-sinaitic alphabet in the top row.

Oops slow mode

Top row

[feral zenith]

I barely talk here but I was thinking
There must’ve been more spirits than the amount we are able to relieve,
What do you think happened to all the others?
I might be looking too close but- at the core of a dark tree, it kinda looks like something is moving on/ in it..do you think that maybe spirits are trapped in dark trees?

[compact shale]

Well, the clouds gradually draw back to reveal new areas where they are so... what do you think is clearing out the clouds?

[feral zenith]

Oh my goodness you’re right..

[tulip aspen]

great idea!!

[orchid jolt]

??? How? to me, hebrew looks more like the archaic greek row. the proto sinatic row looks to be made up of an alphabet where its letters are meant to be like images of the object they refer to.

[orchid jolt]

important to note: the fire orb prop we got from that one enchantment spirit used to have the fire symbol thats on the ark (the symbol wasnt on the prop, but it was on the button to place the prop) but it changed to the hook-like one used in prophecy

[hushed steeple]

Part 2 on creature list, now with far more wishlistiness

[rigid mural]

Long ago, a crew of savvy scavengers set sail to the outer reaches of Golden Wasteland, hoping to discover long-forgotten treasures hidden beneath the waves.

[molten gull]

Communication theory

Theory time, skykids have about 2-3 ways to communicate, one is by hieroglyphics, like writing, seen by light language or whatever.
Another way they can communicate is by honking, which basically means some words that make sense to our skykid. Or to alert others.
Lastly, emotes. One of the most used ways to communicate is by emotes. Since our skykids probably never got taught to write, they may use emotes and honking to communicate.

[keen shore]

My guess as to the explanation is that either the original symbols got retconned somehow, they changed naturally over time as the sky language evolved, or the symbols on the big prophecy rock are meant to represent each prophet and not their lights

[hushed steeple]

(@ off)
thank you for this chart, i will throughly enjoy it for non-lore reasons

[tulip aspen]

omg ur fantastic

[orchid jolt]

i was saying the icon on the prop's button changed from enchantment's fire icon thing to prophecy's fire icon thing.

[keen shore]

I remember learning about the first alphabet in Latin class and from then on, the realization that the letter A is a cows head has changed and drastically improved my life

[compact shale]

I think that was a retcon of some sort. To connect Enchantment and Prophecy for real this time.

[tulip aspen]

was the light dragon actually based off a figure in concepts or did you make it up

[hushed steeple]

Ahhhah... I made it up. Mantatees are prolly gonna end up being called the real light dragons

[tulip aspen]

are we sure?
wouldn't they change what the lights in the enchantment missions look like too?

[orchid jolt]

wait, so is this a wishlist of creatures you want to see in game?

[compact shale]

Probably not.

[tulip aspen]

no it'll be the creature from the cinematic i sweR-*

[hushed steeple]

Sorta. I don’t expect most of these to ever get in. Its like, just ones I think are cool :]

[orchid jolt]

im pretty sure they did actually! if my mempry is correct (i have a bad memory) then the daily quest version of the orange light quest had the prophecy fire symbol.

[hushed steeple]

I call the creature from the switch cinematic trailer mantatee hahh

[orchid jolt]

im asking cause some are in the game lol. at least one of the creatures on the part 2 section is in game

[lyric isle]

headcanon for this is that

considering nod painted it explicitly onto the ark, thus making these symbols exist

the old light symbols are the ones known amongst scholars/alchemists, the ones seen in prophecy are more universal perhaps

like brand names vs technical names for medicine

[tulip aspen]

asinine 😌

@orchid jolt that still doesnt directly correlate to how they looked in the enchantment cutscenes and prompts and such, is what im saying

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Its a wishlist as a “I would personally add/keep all of these as a list of what I would have in game”

[lyric isle]

anyway hi just wanted to drop that in as I heard an enchant-proph link mention

[tulip aspen]

oh okay

[keen shore]

Yeah, I understood. It’s just hard to explain how the symbol changed back to the original which was developed in time,ines way before the enchantment symbol, if that makes sense. The prop and the fact that 2 very similar lights probably didn’t exist in the same location (you can see the locations of some of the enchantment lights mapped out in the prophecy caves) makes me believe they’re the same lights and the symbols are meant to represent the same thing, but why are there two sets of them??

Voluntary probably has the best guess here

[orchid jolt]

im talking about the prompt. the daily promt changed so i assume that means that the one from the questgiver is the same. also, the enchantment cutscene is just an orange orb, no fire symbol to change anyway

[tulip aspen]

I really don't believe there would be two sets of them and I really don't believe enchantment would have been able to steal the power of the trials like that

fruity is probably right that it's a retcon, but that doesn't make it a good one it makes no sense

[tulip aspen]

the only way for us to be sure and find out is to ask a moth to screenshot the prompts from the guide while playing through ark

we cannot be sure otherwise, but to be fair even if I'm right and it hasn't changed that could very well just mean they chose not to change them for some reason (the reason being lack of will)

[hushed steeple]

You can see them make the light element orbs on ark. The trial ones are big deals. The ark ones are, well I assumed they where what the merchants where delivering.

[orchid jolt]

it could be like the winged lights vs the glowey boy we hug. like, the winged light being less powerful parts of the power we get from the glowey boy hug (not the glowey boy itself, but the power from the glowey boy) (i will keep refering to the glowey boy as a glowey boy)

[hexed arrow]

Okay, one sorry to interrupt, and two, I'm gonna spoiler most of this because I'm talking about Eden, but I think I found something. ||So I was doing an Eden run earlier and at the very start where the butterflies are before you go down the slope with the jellyfish, I saw these statues that looked pretty grand and depicted a person that almost looked like an Elder. I think they might have been of the Elder of Eden, or as I call them the Elder of the Light.||

[keen shore]

The murals on the side of the forgotten ark show that they were painted post disaster. Maybe the lights were scavenged after everything happened.

I want to show photo evidence but I just realized that most of the mural screenshots I gathered today never made it into my storage because skys settings were automatically set so it couldn’t add photos to my storage, and now I have to retake them all

[tulip aspen]

where does it show them making the light orbs? if that's true that proves im right and enchantment's lights are just weaker elemental spells, while trial's literally change the fate of the kingdom

[compact shale]

that could be the case

[tulip aspen]

yes the King was the elder of eden, but they weren't a proper elder like the others and was just a normal ancestor who had attained powers

[hushed steeple]

On ark, one of the murals, they trade with lightseekers (stick figures with umbrellas and hats) and use the light to create affects (holding, possibly using magic on light orbs, then a firework comes out)

They then port them, (I assume to help other places rejuvenate) or sell them, but got lightninged

[tulip aspen]

imagine if we could craft said elemental spells 👀

kami, if ur right, this proves my hunches to be correct

that really does mean enchantment has craftable and weak light spells, and simply ran out of them, and we just have to go find more for them that can be found across the world

[hexed arrow]

Ohhhhh, okay.

[keen shore]

I’m going to be back in a while, I have to head off to redo my mural pictures. Before I go I want to mention something. See these dudes? Any guesses on what they’re supposed to represent? They’re too bulky to be the elders unless they’re wearing armor. An important thing to note is that the things they’re holding are basically giant sticks, it’s hard to see from here as I wanted to get a shot of both of them together. They don’t seem to be a similar statue to the ones outside the first krill area in wasteland

[compact shale]

Alright if we spruced up the ark even more and got the dust off some stuff maybe we could find the crafting recipes

[hushed steeple]

I think enchantment used their own escaped orbs. Maybe they where supposed to be to help other placed but when they crashed and realized the only food was mushrooms they went “welp I guess we should use our own stock-oh crud they all flew away :/“

[tulip aspen]

maybe they're the Giants we've been looking for

[hexed arrow]

I think its supposed to be the Elders, just superficial highly ramped up versions of them by depicting them as strong and powerful.

[compact shale]

elders on ster-

[hushed steeple]

I remember a comic about the twins feeling inadequate compared to the “unrealistic standards” of those statues

yes we used to think they where also king

[keen shore]

Maybe they tried to use alchemy to replicate the original lights? If they were trying to survive after the kingdom ended maybe they connected its original success with the existence of the lights, so they put high priority on recreating them. Would also explain why the blue light didn’t help purify the water in the shrugging? alchemists memory because they just didn’t work as well

[hexed arrow]

I can only imagine how a season delving into the story of the King in Eden would go-

[hushed steeple]

Cause they only got the blue orb back after they already died-

[keen shore]

I FOUND SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING RELATING TO THE KING TURRETD IN PROPH MURALS I NEED TO RETAKE TNE PIC WND ILL SHOW YOU. YOU REMINDED ME THANKS

[compact shale]

I think they didn't have enough light for the spell to work.

And then Team Enchantment died of dehydration the end. (you die from dehydration much earlier than starvation)

[hexed arrow]

[orchid jolt]

one of the spirits makes a really small blue light in their spirit memory cutscene.

[orchid jolt]

use the water prophet emote and breathe. in and out.

[tulip aspen]

amazing, maybe they were trying to recraft the spells but had too little light left

[compact shale]

And that's why skykids shouldn't have coffee!

[hexed arrow]

Small question about the Prophecy murals. When exactly are they supposed to take place? Did the prophecy come true???

[hushed steeple]

We usually assume at the start of the kingdom. So long ago the prophecy is long past but who knows :/

[orchid jolt]

but ive heard caffeine helps with migrains. with how much skykids hit their heads against stuff, they probably get horrific headaches constantly.

[hexed arrow]

Ah. So could the person in the golden murals be the king then or is that another person?

[tulip aspen]

a widely accepted belief is that the prophecy murals showed that a Chosen One would have to make its way into the cable prophecy, and defeat a series of trials in order to attain the wisdom of the elements, and bless the kingdom with it

we'd like to believe that this chosen one is the prince before they became king, but realistically we have no way of knowing

[hushed steeple]

Thats usuallt what I assume. Princey kingo

[hexed arrow]

Ahh.

[orchid jolt]

https://youtu.be/m1yeYVsVahc?t=81
A very small/weak version of the blue light blessing thing is seen in this cutscene

[tulip aspen]

og eden be lookin like
(context is second pic)

[orchid jolt]

also, ive noticed that skykids used to have bigger dots in their chests and spirits had these weird teardrop shaped things, when was that changed? I know that, since it was changed, it isnt canon or anything, but part of me wonders about it regarding the lore of the development of the game rather than the lore of the story inside the game

[compact shale]

where were those teardrop things? do you have the full zoomed-out pic?

[hushed steeple]

Teardrop change to small egg soul

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

?what? isnt it now just the "shine" thing thats in the teardrop in the image?

[static meteor]

this is off topic but i find it really interesting that skykids meditate in order to activate quests, teleport to home, forge message candles and apparently gain the ability to swim

i always headcanon it as skykids connecting to the light, entering a peaceful and clearminded state to be able to mentally connect to the light, which grants them those abilities

[compact shale]

CLEAR MY MIND MEGABIRD I NEED YOU

[icy spruce]

Fruity are you a Megan Supporter? :)

[compact shale]

FRICK

||fraid so, ironic isn't it?||

[icy spruce]

I’m putting you with the goldfish

[compact shale]

huh

[orchid jolt]

@compact shale

[static meteor]

[icy spruce]

at least she’s not in the cellar

[orchid jolt]

too lazy to do this properly so,

ok, thats good enough.

[oblique oasis]

Clouds? I'm I missing something?

[compact shale]

You know how Sky has a lot of clouds? At least some of those are hiding parts of the world and keeping them away from us.

[oblique oasis]

🤔 interesting

[keen shore]

Okay I’m done taking photos of the prophecy murals. I’m cropping them and putting them into a WIP doc that’ll have all the murals in it. Because of the sheer frustration of trying to take pictures of giant murals with floating rocks in the way while the ground underneath you moves and messes up the angle, I am postponing forgotten ark so I don’t explode like the kingdom did

[oblique oasis]

You are doing the work of the-

I don't even know at this point cuz i really don't like Megan but the Royal made us explode.

You're doing the work of the Elders. <3

[icy spruce]

or King Resh

[harsh pecan]

Wait a minute…

[keen shore]

I am the type of person this game warns against

[tulip aspen]

I've actually made a full documentation on that
it truly is amazing
I love that you and I agree word for word
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[keen shore]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yA8OdJ2NzwNc8c15sQB3UALYn3psT3c6mWgIV64jFM/edit
Isle of Dawn and Cave of Prophecies are done. Did I put too much effort in? Probably. But I’m glad it’s organized. I combed the entire realm for these and found some pretty interesting stuff. Hopefully this will make theorizing about murals easier since we don’t have to log on to check them each time!

[rigid mural]

thinking about how the nintendo switch trailer shows us how colorful the ancestors actually were

i want to give colors to every spirit that has a basic outfit now, they deserve it

[hushed steeple]

I didn’t realize he was that green

[keen shore]

They’re so pretty,… :-)

[compact shale]

Awh, I guess colors fade away when you're.. .ded

[thorny folio]

hello chat :D have we talked about the season of abyss blog today? Not much was said but added some context for when this might take place

[tulip aspen]

oh my god i love all of you guys

[keen shore]

Thank you so much!! I’m probably doing them in order, so everything contained within HF tomorrow

[thorny folio]

This is so cool!

[keen shore]

I had no idea how much murals were in this game until I started making an effort to record them. But now I have to ask…how did the prophecy spirits even reach the ceiling to paint it???

[thorny folio]

Ladders? And lots of people to hold the ladders

[keen shore]

Probably… imagine if they all just stood on each other’s shoulders

[compact shale]

Or maybe they used elemental spells idk... imagine using air as a stool

[keen shore]

thinking about how *E2 just totally ignores any wasteland temple hmmm… I wonder what that’s supposed to mean

Probable and interesting explanation: wasteland is just the second half of valley and has no temple
Funnier explanation: isle elder hated wasteland so much they just ignored its temple

[compact shale]

Who's *E2?

[keen shore]

Code for one of the murals in the doc

[thorny folio]

Maybe it was created last? Either the second half of valley or the land the vault was based on before the military* took over to build a factory and as whatever war gained prominence(versus the krills or each other) the wasteland Elder became important, but it was late enough not to be documented in isle

*read: government/Resh

[compact shale]

frick wasteland

all my homies hate wasteland

[keen shore]

That could also be the case! Maybe golden wasteland was just like a buffer area between valley and vault so that vault could be easier defended or something.

Reading this is very sad since wasteland is my favorite realm

[rigid mural]

honestly when you get used to it, you grow to appreciate the melancholy and ambiant musical key (i love playing music in the temple).

[thorny folio]

I love to think of vault or the capital being at the end of this long, large field or something, a shimmering light blue gray like the enchantment area

Actually vault’s aesthetic would work really well in an area styled like the enchantment area…perhaps because it was :D

Especially because wasteland seems to also be stuck at night (the moon in the sky)

[tulip aspen]

if I was your homie, I am no longer your homie /j

[keen shore]

Ohh that would be really pretty… it would also separate the capital and valley as being two obviously separated cities with a flat stretch of land between them instead of one city sprawled out across two mountains that had a war fought in between its two halves.

Wasteland does seem to be one of the areas where the environment was drastically different before the disaster, though.

[tulip aspen]

aaaaaand its underground

[rugged jackal]

It’s underground?
What’s underground?!

[keen shore]

Wasteland has a giant cardboard box over it with a hole cut out in the shape of the moon

[thorny folio]

Wasteland? Or vault specifically?

[tulip aspen]

salem, if you need me to go anywhere and get murals for you I definitely can and I can do it on switch so it's high def too

especially if you have trouble with abyss, i will revel in the terrors

[thorny folio]

While vault is underground there is a certain vibe it’s going with since it’s designed to look like the starry night sky aka the spirit’s first home, and I just thought wasteland in a fixed state at night looked very similar . It might be intentional it might not, I’m mostly throwing spaghetti at a wall and seeing if it sticks

[keen shore]

I doubt I’ll have trouble with abyss because I LOVE deep sea stuff but I may need help making 100% sure there’s nothing hidden in Eden because I keep getting lost there if I stray off the main trail… also I am not very observant so if you notice I accidentally skipped over a sub area just tell me. You know the field area with the boogie kid next to the isle temple? It took me a year to even find out that place existed

[thorny folio]

Vault is underground since it’s inside the mountain that the capital/eden is on(if I remember that correctly?)

[keen shore]

Yeah!!

[tulip aspen]

wasteland temple, where you find the wasteland elder, is dug directly into the side of the mountain Eden sits atop

from there, we can presume vault, which is just a massive extension inside the wasteland temple, is inside the mountain

[thorny folio]

Got it 👍

[rugged jackal]

Hmmm… I guess the diamond in the distance was closer than I thought

[keen shore]

You know the giant light ray shooting out of the top of the mountain? Do you think it goes through vault and possibly helps power the elevator, maybe even being the reason it was perfectly carved out in the first place, goes through a different part of the mountain, or starts at the mountain’s summit?

[thorny folio]

I have so many lore thoughts but I should probably sleep, so have a good night! Also just leaving this here

[keen shore]

I should probably sleep soon too, I just have too many Lore Thoughts right now

[tulip aspen]

no, that's the ascension beam going into orbit, the diamond powers the beam somehow, so it's a blessing and a curse

the beam is shown and articulated as a major theme in many concept arts

to me i believe the skykids canonically had to give Light to the Elders, which they fire into the atmosphere so that the beam can be strong enough to send all Beings into Orbit the way it does

[keen shore]

One of the murals seems to imply the beam was somehow created by all the prophecy lights? it shows the prince going towards edens summit after gathering them all and only then does the beam show up. I wonder if those are the first lights that powered it

[tulip aspen]

perhaps?

[keen shore]

Okay goodnight I need to sleep now

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[neat flint]

We were robbed 😔

Elders washi tape my beloved 🛐

[nimble ingot]

you got to be kidding me

[neat flint]

We were so robbed 😔 look at that Resh mural painting 😔

Why it’s exclusively for netease players 😭, so unfair..

[nimble ingot]

netease???

These look like the murals from light awaits.

[neat flint]

I feel it’s a mix of LA and Cotl

Resh... 😔

[hollow acorn]

global servers and Chinese servers have been treated differently each other. Chinese servers provide cheaper and better services, perhaps because they are managed by NetEase. so unfair... i want that tape!!

[nimble ingot]

In China, Sky is published by NetEase under the name Sky光·遇 (Sky Guāng·yù; roughly translates to Sky Light·encounter). There are some notable differences from the international version, such as exclusive cosmetics and Traveling Spirits different from the international versions.
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_Children_of_the_Light

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @nimble ingot. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[nimble ingot]

That is a quote, sorry for the lack of quotation marks.

[neat flint]

💔

[compact shale]

SkyTape

[neat flint]

Y e s

[hollow acorn]

I'm new on this channel and I have One question. What do you think about ||big diamond in eye of eden||?
I think there is a solution to save the kingdom in the diamond... because The children of light always go toward the diamond when they go to Eden.

[nimble ingot]

Welcome aboard to the lore channel.
The diamond in they Eye of Eden is by far the largest power diamond in the game.
I am starting to theorise that is might have been used as an idol, or even a false god the ancestors may have look to and turned away from Megabird. Similar to the people in the tale of Moses, wehre they made a golden calf and worshipped that.

[steady tundra]

Sorry if I'm intruding on another conversation, but I wanted to know: How does the rock at home give you your candles?

[nimble ingot]

There is an invisible flame in it. You might be able to see it sometimes.

[steady tundra]

Why is there an invisible flame in the rock? How does it produce the right amount of candles each time? How do you get the quests from the rock?

[nimble ingot]

The constellation stone in home had that flame for a while, I am not sure when it was added or why it is there, other than conveniently charge you up.
The statue in between the portals is where you get your daily quests.

[harsh pecan]

It’s probably just a gameplay mechanic imo

[steady tundra]

The constellation stone did not give you wax though, and I'm asking how do you get the quests from the statue, not where is the statue. (Sorry if I sound rude, or demanding, I'm will be patient for your responses as it may not be a question that comes up all the time, and if I do not respond, it is 3am for me) I wonder why TGC thought a rock was a better option than a spirit.

[harsh pecan]

Why would they want to praise a diamond tho?

[nimble ingot]

The theory is very loose and unstable at the moment, though I am going the religious route with comparing the King in Sky with Christian tales.
It has some interesting parallels, but it feels biased and relies too much on cherry picking Tales from the Bible to what may be a coincidence in Sky.

[tulip aspen]

idek if its true but....

ive heard chinese version of sky actually writes a story for the game

[nimble ingot]

You can always and come back a later time. The channel does pick a bit later on in any case.

As for how the statue gives quests instead of spirits.
I am not sure from a lore perspective. It could be just something the skykids do to keep occupied, or more of a game mechanic to get players to play the game more often. There used to be a spirit that gives the daily quests outside of season, but that changed in an update, now the spirit that used to give daily quests is either retired, or has become a full time shopkeeper of the boat that would occasionally arrive at home.

Hope this answers your question, and no worries, you dont sound rude to me.

[nimble ingot]

boi, I better hope that gets shared with the rest of the world.
That would be a *tad * unfair to keep that exclusive lore.

[tulip aspen]

no it wouldnt be shared

the chinese version is maintained by another studio
(idk how fully is it produced by that studio but ye)

so technically that studio has a very wide leash away from TGC

[steady tundra]

Thank you for the advice. You're not really answering my questions, but to be fair who can answer them other than TGC. Have a good day!

[nimble ingot]

so, there is the TGC lore, canon lore, fanon, and now chinese lore?
How many more tiers to this mess of a lore cake will it have?

[steady tundra]

you forgot merch lore who can explain how smth outside of sky can teleport you, and change your appearance and others and stuff

[tulip aspen]

there is also a sub japanese section of TGC that operates merch and specially buffed servers for Sky there, which is why there's also a lot of maps of Sky and such that are technically from the japanese subsection or from Netease (chinese studio)

whenever people mention those in this chat i biasedly wave it away lol {but they can obviously keeo their opinion ofc}

[compact shale]

TOO MANY AUS WHAT THE HECK TGC

[nimble ingot]

That too.
https://tenor.com/view/birthday-cake-icecreamcake-candles-melting-gif-5380637

[tulip aspen]

w ha t

could you possibly explain your reference?

[nimble ingot]

They may be referring to the pins that gives you the cape or other features.

[steady tundra]

elder spells warp you to a patched oob, cosmetic + hand holding spells changes your cosmetics and hearts appear around your hands, you warp to your friend even if you cannot like in eden (I think, may have been changed)

[compact shale]

THERE'S A DOC FOR MERCH LORE

[tulip aspen]

OI MEGABIRD LOVER DONT JUST SAY IT SHOW IT

[tulip aspen]

elder.... spells???

im sorry im really confused by your entire message maybe it's just too late im gonna go lie down in hermit valley @_@

[tulip aspen]

^^^ GET BACK HERE

[steady tundra]

Wait had you not seen the merch? Let me link you to it and give a description of each item.

[compact shale]

Outdated but
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BdMPoH0kRZOYDKvl2g5eQSH0h6JlvMHgBFs7P5Lg9NE/mobilebasic

CHESCA HOW DO I GET OUT

[steady tundra]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/That_Sky_Shop here read this

[tulip aspen]

chesca im literally in santa monica rn thats where TGC office is if you free fruity ill break in and take the lore bible

(ITS A JOKE TGC)
(||EVEN THO I AM IN SANTA MONICA||)

[tulip aspen]

oh right I've seen this la sigh

[compact shale]

um

[tulip aspen]

also thanks i appreciate you as always bud

[near badge]

What are those 3 stars for in the obb?

Also where does this take to and how can i get in?

[nimble ingot]

The starfield memorial, I dont know.

The tunnel in the second image is a one way tunnel from teh graveyard in Wasteland.
When you go to the firepit with the 'dont go' spirit, go to the corner with the krill that flies over the pipes and you will see the entrance to the tunnel there (just mind your step as you exit it, lol)

[harsh pecan]

Atleast it’ll help us understand Sky lore a bit more if we connect it with other stories

[nimble ingot]

True.
Another major issue with that theory, is it does not include info from other religions and cultures yet.
There could be something to sue in Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and so on.

[compact shale]

sue judaism? that might not be a good idea

[harsh pecan]

I think you can just focus on the Bible first. Since the people in the lore chat are diverse, itll be pretty easy to ask/research if anything in Sky has some similarities to other religions

[compact shale]

I mean, I'm pretty sure there were some comparisons to the err... Samsara iirc

it's a buddhist thing

[nimble ingot]

Agreed. Hence why the theory is very rough state.
I hope it is ok to ask about anyone who would to to add on, or revise on parts of it in the future.

[harsh pecan]

Now that you mention it, it is similar

[coarse gate]

Can I ask a question u no how journey and sky i similar visually do u think that they might be connected in the same universe

[nimble ingot]

Sky is a spiritual predecessor, which means it has a similar theme/idea or inspired by Joruney. The games are likely not in the same universe
Here is a source:
https://mashable.com/article/sky-game-children-light-jenova-chen-interview-e3#:~:text=Described as a spiritual successor,more expanded and accessible platform.

[coarse gate]

Thanks 😊

[undone harbor]

Hello lore dwellers how are we suffering

[nimble ingot]

getting by on scraps and starving to delve into the new season.

[compact shale]

Suffer? Why would we suffer? We've got no reason to suffer! Don't we...?

[undone harbor]

Beautiful! Hope you all have fun because being theorists is suffering

[compact shale]

I predict... I predict... that in 5 days... we shall... suffer... greatly.

[nimble ingot]

we might drown because of the new lore.

[compact shale]

oh wait, can we commit arson underwater?

[nimble ingot]

I doubt it, ||fire will soon no longer defy the laws of physics.||

[compact shale]

wotah in za faiyah, WHAY?! -Korone

[icy spruce]

oh you silly! you don’t!

[icy spruce]

tempting but like, I’m getting free hearts from Baudshaw

so no

[harsh pecan]

Fruity got imprisoned?

[compact shale]

yes

[harsh pecan]

Where are you being held

[compact shale]

goldfish tank

[oblique oasis]

There's bubbles wherever there are murals right? Also this season is gonna be awesome compared to Flight lore wise

[harsh pecan]

Good luck escaping

[compact shale]

BE. PATIENT. LORE.
#sky-memes message

[narrow onyx]

Forest e,der actually bald and found a mop

[undone harbor]

Relatable

[boreal nebula]

Psshh, hey... ||remember Rhythm Eagle?||

[boreal nebula]

Back then there was a doubt if those were umbrellas (some just hats) or pickaxes

[boreal nebula]

In an Enchantment mural it seems they were given to that Ark crew (but anyway, the story is told from their point of view, and with Nodding Muralist drawing style too btw)

[hushed steeple]

Its the same thing :/

[boreal nebula]

Good observation. In Valley we hear after all a multidute of voices among thrpe crowd... and imagine how many spectators there could have been on all sits both at start(s) and at the end of the race(s). Furthermore in the Switch Trailer there is ancient flourish Isle of Dawm (green, green everywhere) with a huge settlement (and we assume Isle was the less populated "Realm")

There is pretty much nothing we know about them all. But there is something that make we wonder, huge darkpants give alot of wax but not enough light energy than less big plants. Maybe they drained really well liveforce from X spirits/creatures of light but still we free that tiny portion of soul left (if 1 wax particle even can count as 1 soul, even if 1 wax always appear from a new spirit you start reliving)

But then again, why using wax as exchangable items [damn, lore VS game mechanics]

Now that I think about it.. there are plants with one trapped manta in forest much like in flight, but thereare different results for each

[boreal nebula]

I think Rhythm Eagle (sadly visible only on youtube video) could be a slightly different species

[hushed steeple]

I think the only difference is that one managed to appear in game for like 5 seconds. What difference do you think they have?

[boreal nebula]

Two important murals in Isle, one is clearly visible, the other appears during one of the fragment of Stargazer Spirit in Isle, when she start gets near the fallen star i the backgroundm ONLY IF you get closer to the stone pillar (there use to be 2 murals in her memories on the pillar along her path, but before prophecy_dreams they seemed a repetition of the Old Intro, now the intro tunnel changed the introductiom to the story)

[nimble ingot]

The old version of that memory did include the spirit reaching the mural, thankfully when it changed, the mural was not removed.

[boreal nebula]

I cannot recall if fhere were more murals in the Nono Spirit.. now ther is just one

[feral zenith]

Maybe the wax is a reward from the trapped spirits, a reward that they are able to use for more?
Like parents giving you Money for chores

[boreal nebula]

Side note, pickaxe is solid

I wanted to check Nono had the same hair as the one next to Stargazeem, and it does, but still the 2 similar can be different spirits (example the little girl in the pointing memory could seem Skater Girl, but the tiny difference is the clothes)

[tulip aspen]

it will be, but i still don't feel great letting tgc call vague 2d images in their 3d game, that hardly interact with the active narrative of the season we're playing, 'lore'

prophecy was the worst example of this, i always get a tad annoyed when people call it a "lore season"

[keen shore]

I think the murals being important in lore isn’t too bad, at least we can actually find the lore in game, y‘know? and irl stuff like murals and writing is the best way to find out stuff about the past. However I do wish we were shown more things in cutscenes and spirit memories

SPEAKING OF MURALS, teb I didn’t have that second mural pic. Mine now

[nimble ingot]

Refusing spirit does have a mural. At the end of the memory, the spirit will reveal it as a depiction of the dawn elder.

[keen shore]

Yep! I have that one. What’s funny is that the spirit gestures vaguely towards the mural before doing their emote…

[nimble ingot]

I suppose he was trying to tell his buddy to not mine under the temple.
1- because that might cause the whole island to fall to the ground. Destroying the temple.
2- if they break into the temple, somehow. Now they have to patch it back up and pay sincere respects to the elder.

[frigid tinsel]

miners: break into the isle temple by mistake
Isle elder: my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[keen shore]

There are barely any murals in DP and it’s actually surprising to me. Wonder what changed in between isle of dawn and daylight prairie

[frigid tinsel]

tbf there aren't a lot of places in Prairie for murals. the murals are exclusively on solid walls like in caves, giant rocks, or buildings. Prairie is a, well, prairie. not a lot of places to put a mural

[tulip aspen]

the memory was definitely about the latter ye

[elfin leaf]

奥利给！

[keen shore]

Not really true, there’s the giant cave, the inside of the dome in butterfly fields, the architecture and exposed stone in birds’ nest and the main village, as well as both the inside and outside of the temple… but there’s so few of them, and all the murals are very literalist instead of recording history. For example, here’s a mural outside the cave that basically just states it’s a pot production site and doesn’t really say anything else of importance

[frigid tinsel]

i didn't say there weren't any places for murals, just there aren't a lot of places in Prairie compared to the other realms.

[keen shore]

Okay I misunderstood then, sorry

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, though on that note, Valley has a lot of viable surfaces for murals, but there isn't any iirc. wonder why that is.
did the city have an ordinance against graffiti?

[true grove]

Probably because valley is a modern city with more regular structures

[boreal nebula]

Maybe Prairie was to carefree and hardworking to care about murals (beside the pot production, or warehouse if you ask me, only in birdnest there are murals about birds)

It could also be a choice made by TGC to let us get a clearer picture with Forest Murals and Temple Door storytelling

[boreal nebula]

I dont think it was against it. Perhaps it is a moder city with modern tastes, yet I think I see some details on Valley Temple Door that reminds me about the pinnacles of Eden Castle

Maybe any murals was meant to be in other pubblic place around "the city" but we are limited to visit the more scenary ones (and the more ludic ones 🏟️ )

[tulip aspen]

oohhh, still important!

how do they make the pots anyhow, i dont see any furnaces!

[rigid mural]

The butterfly fields dome has a mural ? Where exactly ?

[nimble ingot]

the three jars above the entrance, technically count.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[rigid mural]

That's the cave ! Butterfly fields dome is where you get the butterfly charmer emote I think.

[nimble ingot]

oh, the hollow dome in butterfly fields.
I dont think there are any murals in there, at most, there is the flowers on top from confetti cousin, and then the butterfly charmer's memory.

[keen shore]

Sorry late reply but my idea was that prairie workers spent most of their energy making things so murals weren’t as important. I think the sanctuary islands probably had a no graffiti / don’t disturb the environment rule maybe

[tulip aspen]

thats a very logical way to put it as always salem

[keen shore]

There are no murals in the butterfly dome, which was odd to me, I feel like it would be the perfect place for them… and even more striking was the fact that the temple was also bare of any murals as well. You’d think if prairie had one spot decorated with murals it would be their elder’s temple.

Another example of how laser focused the murals are on practicality is seen here. This is from one of the… birdhouses? in birds nest. They just put mantas all over it. I mean, you can’t get much more literal than that.
And thank you jam!!

[rigid mural]

Jellyfish Whisperer:

[keen shore]

“If I float on top of the jellyfish and don’t actually touch them, it doesn’t count right?”

[rigid mural]

Thinking about the jellyfish graffiti in their cave too lmao

[keen shore]

I poked around their cave and couldn’t find any graffiti, hold on let me check again

[tulip aspen]

i found interesting thing!!!!

it doesn't seem to matter much to lore, but i just love how this mural is expressed

the mantas are shown flying away towards the surface, and here is the source where they were all flying away from, crabs coming out of the earth and... attacking everything? the ancestors and light creatures sure are scared anyways haha

[keen shore]

Just double checked the cave & relived the jellyfish call spirit memory and didn’t see any murals, although it is really easy to mistake the tiny jellyfishes for murals out of the cornel of your eye…

That mural is really interesting to me as well, maybe it’s meant to be a crab nest or something?? I don’t know, although crabs do seem to gather in groups a lot; you rarely see one by itself. They also seem to like caves, so maybe the ancestors accidentally uncovered the nest of a bunch of them that had turned aggressive. Or maybe the sight of a crab rave is just too scary who knows

[nimble ingot]

They rise
https://i.imgur.com/eqjOZaG.gif

[frigid tinsel]

that's a good point. certainly not out of the picture that they had way too much work on their hands for much leisure or were directed their labor to one or few exclusive paths.

[nimble ingot]

Even valley barely has any murals, and that is one of the wealthiest looking realms in the game.

[keen shore]

The fact that we don’t see any residential buildings in prairie also leaves open the idea that they lived elsewhere and only stayed in prairie temporarily to work, aside from memories like the sleeping shipwright’s where they have a bed in their workshop for convenience, although that doesn’t have to be their main house.

My reasoning as to why mural frequency decreased is that a writing system developed or a memory projection recording system like the “lanterns” in vault that were just a much more efficient way of recording history that also didn’t have to be plastered all over the landscape, but could be safely tucked away and protected from the elements

[rigid mural]

noticed something about the last cutscene... every ancestor is wearing something similar to the elders !

[rigid mural]

there IS a mural but not linked to the memory ! it's in the cave where you find the wl
it's really tiny too, barely as big as a prop

[rigid mural]

it all looks like the ancestors being taught by the elders, perhaps apprentices ? Isle guiding boats, Prairie teaching pottery, Forest blacksmithing, Valley doing sports, Wastelands with soldiers and Vault with scholars... maybe theres more grounds than i thought on the theory elder masks = spirit is closer to the elder

[keen shore]

If this is true I hope flight guide is in that mural and we don’t know it

[rigid mural]

anybody else wierded out by that part of praying acolyte's memory ? i thought it was supposed to represent how ancestors die but the flame is wierdly animated... Does anyone know if this is intended or a bug ?

[tulip aspen]

what js that

[rigid mural]

Last memory fragment of praying acolyte, you can spot it when you relive it.

[tulip aspen]

so just like the cinematic trailer creature, this thing also has one eye, furthering it's solidity as a candidate for pre-corruption krill

{however, if you look at that krill beam coming from cinematic creature's eye and still say it's not a light dragon then i cant help you /j}

[oblique oasis]

I feel like the murals are a special thing in Sky tho. Like they just have a sky feel and it is a way to tell stories that I like. My opinion only tho

[oblique oasis]

Praying acolyte always makes me cry bcs they pass away at the end

[compact shale]

how

i forgor their memories

[rigid mural]

They just go around leaving candles at gravestones until they're the one with a gravestone

[compact shale]

They died mourning...? Damn

[slow portal]

maybe praying acolyte's memories is a montage that spans days
every day they leave candles at the gravestones until their time to die

[compact shale]

What does it mean, though...?

[slow portal]

idk maybe some religious ritual thing for the dead

[compact shale]

Praying for the dead before you die... what religion does this? Idk what it means

someone? anyone?

maybe they're sacrificing their lifeforce to whoever died /j

[slow portal]

a lot of religions pray for their dead
but im not sure if acolyte was already dying at the time during their memories

[compact shale]

Hm. Kind of surreal, to be honest.

Besides, sacrificing lifeforce is what skykids do, not ancestors.

[frigid tinsel]

it's Sky, there doesn't have to be a real life alternative to reflect what happens in game

[compact shale]

I guess not, but we do want to know what that ritual was

Do you think Acolyte died of heartbreak? (yes this is a thing)

[frigid tinsel]

maybe Praying Acolyte was so devoted to their task that they ignored their own health and withered away.
when I'm done with class, I'll go relive that memory.

[keen shore]

My only possible issue with this is that the krill horns look different, maybe the forward prongs on them are growths of darkness or something? The rest of the light dragons is pretty believable to become a krill, though, especially with its massive size and singular eye.

[tulip aspen]

yeah the only evidence for whale being the light dragon is

1. its big
2. it's call... supposedly sounds like a krill's??
3. everyone initially believes in 1 and 2 as the deciding evidence for it being a candidate 🤦‍♂️ (it's the most popular candidate)
4. the eye

meanwhile the elder creature and the cinematic creature all use that same evidence for them too! as well as the spotlight beam being the marginally strong extra upper hand the cinematic creature has on the other candidates
(and your proposal of the elder creature having a lot of weird side limbs just like our shrimpy boi)

[keen shore]

All the murals of Daylight Prairie and the Sanctuary Islands have been added to the masterlist, along with @boreal nebula’s photo of the mural in the ushering stargazer’s spirit memory, which I missed on my first run through

[hushed steeple]

Nsw creature not only has one eye like a krill, it also has ridges on its neck, it also has a long body, it also has multiple fins, but notably, nothing has as many and as thin legs (or anything with actual legs) as krill.

But I don’t really care if people go with other candidates. I think its gonna be revealed at somepoint.

[keen shore]

I wish we got more detailed anatomical guides of each light creature, considering the current belief is that the krill is a corrupted skeleton of some sort

[tulip aspen]

this is awesome i hope the full thing goes well!

[tulip aspen]

im highkey sure the cinematic was supposed to be the reveal and we're all just being adamant smh

[hushed steeple]

I just wish they didn’t cut the horns

[keen shore]

Thank you! After isle it becomes considerably easier because there’s a lot less murals in every other realm, except maybe for the wind paths, which I’m doing tomorrow along with hidden forest.

I did notice something interesting while going through the mural screenshots, I’m going to head back in the game and see if I can get a better res shot of it rq because right now it’s really hard to see

[tulip aspen]

i still headcanon most of those are fishbone spinal structures, but it ends up wiggling around like a shrimp's legs

[keen shore]

This is in Bird’s Nest of daylight prairie, and it’s probably a map of the area due to lining up with the islands. They put pebbles on the islands with birdhouses on them :-)

I love finding small details like this it just makes me happy

I want to get a good high res picture of the krill so I can redraw it in the same way I did the spears, but I also don’t want to lose all my light, so that might take a while…

Speaking of the spears, my current hypothesis is that their wide stone(?) head was used to break stone shields to render them useless. Sort of like a pilum in a universe where shields are stone instead of wood. It’s still hard to believe they’re throwing spears due to the lack of a counterweight but I can write that off as just lack of research

Oh my god I just thought of the best pun for my name, hold on

[tulip aspen]

:000 i never thought it could be a map!!!

there's more like it: one is right under the manta call orb, we gotta check that one too!!

there, is it exactly the same as the one in your salem?

[thorny folio]

for the acolyte, I'm not sure we can really say that all the spirit memories are from the same time / right before they died
more like moments in time that were important to them or parts of their identity

wait hold on I misunderstood

they do what

[compact shale]

Yeah, most spirit memories probably arent' their last moments, but some can HAPPEN to be so

[thorny folio]

I did not know that about the praying acolyte

[lyric isle]

gang we have power diamonds
what if that's what the crew is looking for?

[compact shale]

That's probably what it is but...

WHERE ARE THE INFOCARDS

[thorny folio]

OH???

[frigid tinsel]

alright gang time to hyperanalyze this image
edit: oop, someone already posted it

[thorny folio]

wait...IS WASTELAND AN ARCHIPELAGO??

[frigid tinsel]

could be hella flooded, though this map reminds me of a caldera

[thorny folio]

ooohhh..still, that means that at one point, or maybe even still, wasteland is not one linear plane like we thought....

[frigid tinsel]

the structure above the yellow circle reminds of the king turrets

[compact shale]

I think one of the teasers says that this is in the outskirts of golden wasteland

[keen shore]

Yep! This one is also a map. I think the inset circle is a “you are here” marker :-)

EDIT: wrong map but my point still stands

[frigid tinsel]

i don't think these are power diamonds cos the ones we see are much much bigger than those

[tulip aspen]

wasteland isnt shown here, im fairly sure ark and abyss happen in islands to the east, or it seems like that anyways

[tulip aspen]

how do you think this map is formatted @keen shore

[thorny folio]

but the towers are included, unless this is just a new area??
but why the resh statue?

[tidal valve]

Not sure if this has already been discussed from the trailer (haven’t been reading chat) but I found this really interesting

When the boat finishes charging the calls from a few spirits gravestones respond, the courageous soilder, lookout scout, sleathly surviver and the frightend refugee

Going on from what from revealed from the previous season, that the in season spirits had relations with in the game spirits, could this be seen to show that these spirits had relations with the next upcoming seasonal ones?

[keen shore]

I’m not actually sure, but it looks nearly identical to the one I sent. Here’s an above shot to show it… even the circle sizes look similar

[frigid tinsel]

pretty sure it's a new area in or around Wasteland, hence "in the outskirts of the golden wateland"

[tulip aspen]

yes its a new area

where are these towers and the statue you mention?

[compact shale]

That would be horrifying

Hearing dead people shreik when you try to board the boat

SMH GHOSTS I JUST WANNA EMBARK WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SHEREAK AT MEA

[thorny folio]

top middle and yellow circle in the middle

[thorny folio]

maybe it's a person?? sort of abstract like how the orion constellation is

[keen shore]

Did a quick run through the realms to get some good profile shots of all the BIG light creatures. I’m going to enhance these (so you can see stuff like shadows in between overlapping plates) later and do detailed drawings of each of them in order to compare anatomy and stuff, but for right now maybe this will help some theories move along

[tidal valve]

I also find it interesting how the boat, and the manta both have eyes??

hoping they didn’t trap a manta inside this boat for it to move...

Or maybe the boats design was inspired by manta?

[keen shore]

In all honesty the elder manta looks most similar to the krill. It has the same rough proportions, a similar amount of limbs, and a similar tail shape. Also, its wide rib cage could easily break open to show legs the size of what the krill had. This is just speculation

And @tidal valve that eye is a power diamond! They’re those glowing blue diamonds you have to light to work. They are probably mined out of the ground, but it’s currently unknown how they’re refined. Some of the concept art implies mantas are… involved in the process, to say it in the least disturbing way

[tidal valve]

Like to think that they used light creatures to harvest their light, forest concept art shows that they made stars by placing light inside the machine.... however... that was harvested...

[compact shale]

maybe they shave light off mantas
idk tho lmao

[tidal valve]

Clipping their features haha jk

[thorny folio]

forest temple is filled with baby mantas....
who come in from windows that lock down

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, yall see what humans do to sharks for shark fin soup or elephants for the ivory in their tusks

[thorny folio]

sky has always been big on environmental commentary

[keen shore]

I can sort of see this… my next piece of information is that both maps(?) are located near spirits that give you animal calls. I’m not sure why a daylight prairie map would be in citadel though… especially with the pebble placed in only one of the circles

Daylights murals are very literal and practical which is why I was thinking it was a map, along with it matching the area

[thorny folio]

huh... maybe it's a manta constellation? both places are tied heavily to them
but why two legs/tails?

[keen shore]

I don’t think so. I believe if it was a manta constellation it would more closely resemble this

[tidal valve]

I think those maps were also from light awaits, that the glyphs you collected where a certain creature, the one in valley was a bird, so would make sense for them to both have the same design as they both were related to birds?

The one in prarie and valley

[keen shore]

You are right about both places being heavily connected to creatures, but I’m not sure it’s an animal constellation. It doesn’t resemble any light creatures I can think of… it’s a very weird shape

[frigid tinsel]

light dragon?

[thorny folio]

right? like it doesn't look like a bird- ohh wait you know what. the mountain

[tidal valve]

well it could be really abstract, it’s a triangle body (the body of the bird) then the < shape that is at the end could be the tail feathers

If that’s the design your looking at.. ?

[keen shore]

Hmm maybe a light dragon… the two branches at the front could be horns… or it might also be the mountain with the light beams shooting out of the top. Considering how literal prairies murals are I doubt theirs would be abstract to that extent. Most murals in prairie are signs like “this is what this place is for” like the star on the docks & the pots above the caves, it being a map continues along that line.

… weird idea but maybe it’s a map of citadel as well. I mean, citadel does have floating parts although they’re more in a circle arrangement

& it being a creature doesn’t explain the weird sprawl of the one in manta islands

[frigid tinsel]

other suggestion is that it could be a map

[thorny folio]

Have some really bad concept sketches

[hushed steeple]

Its a sparrow. The same sparrow in valley citadel in fact

[thorny folio]

source?

[hushed steeple]

I think I might be able to find the video of it. But....thats kinda tedious.

[tidal valve]

The sparrow is at the front of the citadel! Just before the enterance

[keen shore]

It being a map is a perfect explanation for the one in prairie but not the one in valley. I can see the bird shape easier now, but it doesn’t quite explain the rocks in those locations, or this one which lines up pretty well with the manta islands

[frigid tinsel]

you mean the snow bird at the citadel entrance that looked like it was sacrified?

[thorny folio]

five realms and eden in the middle?

[rigid mural]

ohhh these constellations are from light awaits; sparrow in bird's nest and citadel, and turtle in the prairie village. There's also an eel in the prairie caves !

[keen shore]

Oh! Thank you

[thorny folio]

ohhhh! wait, an eel?? tgc give us the forbidden eels and turtles

[hushed steeple]

Huhhhh I did it anyway but don’t want to find a timestamp. Its around....uhhhh 3 min mark when the uest starts and when they finish it it appears https://youtu.be/dWhXiac0nms

[rigid mural]

yeah, it's near the boat that's inside the cave I think. Won't be too hard to find.

[hushed steeple]

Trust myself you don’t want that old LA turtle it looked generic as all eden

[rigid mural]

LA had you rescue animal spirits too I think, they gave you wl and wax.

[frigid tinsel]

slams fist on table. TGC give me the animal spirit rescue game mechanic

[rigid mural]

Isle only had a turtle, no pointing candlemaker :(

[hushed steeple]

TGC: “we have animal spirit missions at home”

Animal spirit missions at home:

Fish and spirit manta call quest

[keen shore]

The animal spirit missions at home are also the prophecy spirit memories

[hushed steeple]

Thats rude >:/

[rigid mural]

yeah the animals looked really generic, when it comes to light creatures i prefer the seasonal quests (flight and sanct) or memory effects (manta whisperer), just because it puts more of an emphasis on ancestors and it kinda makes the story more deep than "nature good, civilisation bad"

[thorny folio]

dude the sparrow looked so sick tho why is it now dead in front of the citadel /j

[rigid mural]

too sick to live

[frigid tinsel]

eyes the Valley elder(s) swords nervously

[hushed steeple]

I think it got moved to the citadel before being cut altogether. I remember video of it being in citadel. But I guess they DINT THINK WE WOULD NOTICE THE CORPSE STILL THERE. Before you knelt at the corpse to activate the spirit now its just PERMA DEAD

Or a statue I guess. I don’t get modern spirit art.

[frigid tinsel]

i think meditating in front of an animal corpse might be a bit much for some

[thorny folio]

lol
nahhh, they just made a bird out of snow :) for fun :)))

[keen shore]

Could be evidence of haruspicy especially since we know ancestors have definitely tried and successfully saw the future earlier

[hushed steeple]

Haru spicy

Who and why did you taste them

[rigid mural]

i do prayer emote in front of it for good luck before the flying race

[keen shore]

I may have tasted it, but that’s not important and also not the origin of the word (it’s basically just trying to read the future via animal ||guts||, spoiled because kind of morbid)

Also, it tasted like unseasoned chicken

[tulip aspen]

yes its part of the region but it seems to be far off the proper mainland, both ark and abyss

[hushed steeple]

O gotcha.

Would suck if killing the thing leads to the bad

[thorny folio]

the romans did that right? among many other cultures

[frigid tinsel]

something something albatross
wait no i'm onto something

[keen shore]

YEAHHHH and I wonder if the sheer amount of flying creatures led to a version of augury as well

[hushed steeple]

“Creatures flight is an advantage”

: they are mocking us >:0

[thorny folio]

maybe? but we've seen so many memories of spirits living in harmony with or caring for animals

[rigid mural]

oh dude you gotta map wasteland, i made a map of valley last year, we could team up

[thorny folio]

is this using the map as a reference or something that was pieced together?

[keen shore]

Now that we’re on the topic, wonder how the prophecy spirits figured out the future. My best guess is visions because the murals are very visual, but it could also just be their only way of recording them

Augury does not require killing things which is a positive. Would be cool if it happened in Sky because that implies the bird whisperer spirit could have been trying to do it

[tulip aspen]

hell nah vels, i cant draw you know this xD

[rigid mural]

and ?

[frigid tinsel]

what if the bird is an albatross? then something along the lines of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner happened with the Sky kingdom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross#In_culture

[tulip aspen]

dont make me bring up the question marks again

[rigid mural]

there's a baudelaire poem i like about the albatross :0

[thorny folio]

I am...looking....

[rigid mural]

try me, you will make a map eventually, we all do, and i will collect them like exodia cards

[tulip aspen]

ive always headcanonned they had a vision and were controlled by the magic of their rituals to create that on the ceiling

[thorny folio]

how did the valley map turn out?

[compact shale]

Imagine hearing noises in your sleep at 3am but it's just your fellow prophet trying to record a new vision before they forget lmao

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s my thought as well, just because of how visual the murals are. However, the height of the murals implies they had ladders constantly ready for this exact occurrence or the funnier option that the visions allowed them to levitate somehow

…or what probably happened is they recorded them quickly before they forgot, but that’s the boring option

[rigid mural]

@thorny folio like this ⬆️

[compact shale]

I mean, if they had the ability to use elemental lights too, they might've used their elements as a stool

Except for fire, you can't stand on a column of fire

[thorny folio]

:O!!!

[keen shore]

Imagine hearing noises at 3am, going to check it out, and finding one of your friends levitating and painting on the ceiling frantically

[frigid tinsel]

i keep forgetting that's a gif and it sends me

[rigid mural]

this is the best map ever, i do not take criticism

[compact shale]

Air Prophet probably uses a column of air to get to high places, Earth Prophet a column of rocks, Water prophet a column of water, and fire prophet... idk lmao

[thorny folio]

vela that map is gorgeous!!

[keen shore]

Jetpack.

[tulip aspen]

b r u b

[tulip aspen]

MAGIC SALEM ITS BASGIC

[rigid mural]

I think the next season in valley will feature the other end of the social classes, will have an entrance on the blue side of the rink & involve buildings that are floating or floated.

[keen shore]

OH I LOVE FHAT MAP

Actually I just realized how they got up there to paint them. The prophecy guide is just that tall

[thorny folio]

that would be so cool!! valley season, floating or cliffside buildings...pavilions pls

[tulip aspen]

oi btw yall we gotta talk about these guys what do it mean

the little center ball in the middle thingy is either

The Light in Orbit, and that the universe revolves around that, or it's just the world of Sky

W H I CH
D I S C U S S

(also salem i just noticed your name and i spat my lasagna)

[rigid mural]

i am hoping for the more melancholic aspect of sunsets... maybe a questgiver that wants to rebuild the simulacrum of the place's former glory..... can we have more jolly athletes ?

[compact shale]

imagine if they piggybacked each other hehehehehhe

[keen shore]

My best guess is fancy manta agility obstacles. Also, I’m sorry about your lasagna, I hope it was a worthy sacrifice

Although they could be modeled after something else

I want to say it’s the sky solar system because it reminds me of old solar system models, but the flat parts on the poles are throwing me off

[frigid tinsel]

me: complaining about Sky lore
mom: so what;s the Sky lore?
me: hiss

[keen shore]

I did some googling with ridiculous phrases and I found this…

[compact shale]

hiss hiss mrroww werer ehrw mrorrornwer

[thorny folio]

I’m not sure they were meant to be manta agility obstacles, and backflipping champion decided to get creative they do look like planetary models, and the smaller ones look more ornamental, so maybe it was fancy decoration in a place of importance? The citadel looks like it’s composed of several balconies and buildings connected by paths, an open criss cross of bridges rather than one roofed building, so it could be part arena part spectacle part attraction on the way to the race

[keen shore]

They’re models of the solar system and it seems that the ones with rings represent the planets’ orbits. I think the difference between them and the second Google image result is that the circle part at the top is just covered by the flat plate. I mean they have the sun in the center and everything

[thorny folio]

Citadel may have had a roof or arches but I doubt it was any less open air

[rigid mural]

backflipping champion is just like this

[keen shore]

Someone count the rings so we can tell how many planets are in sky’s solar system

[compact shale]

backflipping champion is totally the type who would jump off the manta, fly in the air while everyone prays for their life, and get back on the other side of that circley thing

[thorny folio]

At least four

[keen shore]

Most of the valley spirits seem to have no regard for their lives in general

[thorny folio]

And meeting the twins enforces that this is a Theme

[icy spruce]

should’ve taken out the docs

[keen shore]

I’m not the only one who’s thinking these spears are made to break shields, right?

[frigid tinsel]

shield piercers

[keen shore]

YEAH like pila for stone shields

[tulip aspen]

i mean in general yeah, but they're still meant to kill too

[frigid tinsel]

they pierce shields to kill

[keen shore]

You break the shields and then you break their bones.

[thorny folio]

stabby spear instead of yeet spear

[compact shale]

You break the shield, change weapon, stab, find next target, repeat

[icy spruce]

sounds like a lot of work, I’m gonna stick to my turrets

[thorny folio]

|| quick unrelated question, how do you get an emoji next to your name? ||

[frigid tinsel]

who said the turrets didn't shoot out shield piercing spears

[compact shale]

those would be tough to reload

[icy spruce]

Basically, Skybot randomly gives you it

[icy spruce]

that’s cool but lazer beam turrets supremacy

[thorny folio]

ohh, is there a way to activate it or it just chooses people?

[keen shore]

Also if they’re stone like I’m thinking they are, then you can just whack people with the head instead of stabbing them. I think this is an improvement

[compact shale]

no blood on your shirt
no protests on your holy dirt

[icy spruce]

idk, but I think it chooses people

[thorny folio]

I think I’m going to sleep now, gn!

[keen shore]

Night!!!!!!

[tulip aspen]

i wanna use a harpoon gun

[frigid tinsel]

TGC give the kids weapons, dammit

[harsh pecan]

Yea we need more weapons besides the sword pants from TLP

[distant turtle]

Lore detected

[rigid mural]

Candles can be used like lighters

[tulip aspen]

nah

the sword couldn't work as a cosmetic except in a scabbard, so there's nowhere much to sling it except on the hip or back

id rather have conventional external non-clothing cosmetics, like satchels, big backpacks, ladders that could help skids out of flaps climb a wall quick without having to sit and charge a flap, pots to store butterflies, lassos to mount and control mantas, more diamond projectors for different decor illusions, a sled or snowboard which will help you slide a bit faster, etc etc

(ngl a shield would be cool tho, at least to deflect crabs)

[compact shale]

Yee we may not attack but we can parry
Parrying is pacifist right?

[rigid mural]

Crab: "PARRY THIS YOU CASUAL"

[frigid tinsel]

skykids: get swords
Valley elder(s):

[rigid mural]

I want their paddles, one heart it's Gloating Narcissist that will bring one as a prop when they become a TS.

[frigid tinsel]

if it does, you should be able to smack your friends with it

[compact shale]

Kapow

[rigid mural]

Animal crossing bug net. Bonk.

[frigid tinsel]

Before I go to bed, I thought lore chat would appreciate this

[compact shale]

Wait 4 days
Boom it's that deep

And ktjn is 156 meters tall

[frigid tinsel]

Ah dang it it’s look fam not chill

Rebuttal against skybot

[nimble ingot]

||If I recall correctly, you need to go to a channel and wish for a specific one. If you like, I can look it up for you.||

[icy spruce]

wait what

but I got mine in lore chat

[nimble ingot]

I believe you, though cannot find your message that let you get it.

I suppose it can be in any channel the bot can see, I suppose.

[icy spruce]

here

[nimble ingot]

@thorny folio
||when you are online, try saying this. "I wish to be" and then whatever you wanted to be. If you need a list of things, ask the bot in private messages (command [exclamation mark]team_mischief)||

[proven saddle]

I believe you dm the bot ‘I want to be so and so’ (insert creature you’d like), but that’s only what I’ve heard some of the people with it next to their names
Apologies for the ping

Oh, someone already replied, I apologize, I did not see it beforehand.

[nimble ingot]

now worries, I did it in general chat and got it, they can give that a try too if the first idea doesn't work.

[tidal valve]

Anybody notice how in vault, the 4 player door the spirit that’s in the first room that sits near the gravestones FOLLOWS YOU AROUND WAHT THE SCARY they tilt their body towards you, DO THEY ALL MOVE UM

Looks like this spirit isn’t actually entirely dead glocks gun

[junior tendon]

does it too

[tulip aspen]

wait what

[compact shale]

I think it's just a programming thing. The code probably doesn't distinguish between alive models and dead models.

[nimble ingot]

spooky

[rigid mural]

I never noticed that, that's hilarious. They're curious...

[compact shale]

Sky: Dead Men Stare at You

[nimble ingot]

when you interrupt them while reciting a prayer

[compact shale]

why is it just them tho? are they clinging to life or something?

[rigid mural]

It's probably a model bug but if you want my explanation... They're just curious :)

[compact shale]

?! OwO who's this !?

[rigid mural]

Skykid:
& : 👀

[compact shale]

Praying Acolyte looks at you with longing eyes, as if they've been waiting for you all this time. It's almost as if you're the prince in shining armor to their caged princess.

Okay that's cursed...

[rigid mural]

I think they're just happy there's a sign of life in the room now

[compact shale]

I guess being surrounded by death takes a toll on you... that's what their memory is, right?

[rigid mural]

I suppose; they're tending to graves.

[compact shale]

Oh, to catch a glimpse of life again...

[nimble ingot]

"What on earth is that small child doing?"
*Chibi falls
O_O

[true grove]

Just noticed that you can hear fireworks in faint spirit's memories
But ofc they aren't fireworks but maybe cannon shots?

[rigid mural]

HUH. I will have to relive that.

[floral venture]

ill have to go investigate that

[novel jackal]

i return

[compact shale]

It makes sense that you can sometimes hear noises during spirit memories. Sounds are also part of a memory, right?

[oblique oasis]

According to many, we are quite literally the Prince in shining armor.

[thorny folio]

I believe so, how faint are the sounds for faint?

[rigid mural]

I didn't hear anything, either you heard a nearby player, or you confused the footsteps and falling noise with that.

[thorny folio]

I wish to be an elder bird

oh cool :D

[nimble ingot]

There you go

[oblique oasis]

I wish to be a butterfly

[nimble ingot]

skybot is like a genie today. 🧞

[keen shore]

So I was thinking and the lack of piercing weapons in favor of bashing weapons instead could imply that the ancestors had hard skin like us, so sharp things wouldn’t work on them. What is everyone’s thoughts on this

[nimble ingot]

That or, this is just a thought, they were fighting something else that had stone skin.
What if the hostile creatures in the current lore of Sky, were stone creatures that got corrupted.
Something that could look like this.

[hushed steeple]

While those are so cool, im real happy they didnt use them. They are just....too much like guardians. Way too journey when we already have too much.

Even having slots for creatures. Beh.

[rigid mural]

Wastelands elder cutscene does look like it proves you right ! They even use the side of the tip of the spear to bash the ground so methinks these must be quite sturdy to not break with the blows.

[nimble ingot]

That may be true, though the krill do stand in for the role of the stone guardians in Journey very well in the world of Sky.
But are intimidatingly large and fly about in a serpent fashion. Both have blue lights that turn red upon becoming hostile and attacks. And both charge at their targets, dealing serious damage to the player characters.

So, having a stone creature is not too far out of the way to what TGC would do, nor would stone creatures stand out much.
We do have a the lunar new year dragon serpent that goes around home, as well as the stone giant at the Office. Granted, both are in areas that are typically not part of the realms, that and both are unique creatures.
It would be interesting if stone creatures might come up in a future season. 😉

[boreal nebula]

Yes, don't you know the tale of 3 little crabs?
"We're three little little crabs,
We live here, in this cave [Hide and Seek Spirit]
Watch out for big bad moths
HOHO-HO-HO-HONK"
||if I recall correctly that's how I adapted The 3 Little Pigs during a CR with a friend||

[boreal nebula]

I sometimes think that Ancestors didn't have a speaking language, maybe they were telepathic. Then they probably entrusted their recording system with the memory lanterns and projectors as you said. That and maybe articolatted symbols for science (since in Vault, Archieves + murals + Elder headress) seems to defy simple icons intuitives as drawings.

That or the writings were a notion of a different class (maybe the scholars as there were the scribe + priests in Ancient Egypt, not even nobles or the Pharaons knew how to write iirc)(maybe because it requires years of studies to decypher ideogramms)

[boreal nebula]

I love the red note drawing style, btw (even if Idk some forget it now I read the comment)

[boreal nebula]

Ooooh, so that 3d model is not just placed in a OOB near there...!

It's used even as last fragment there!?

NOTE: it's bigger in the OOB

[rigid mural]

Valley race oob ?

[hushed steeple]

Gaurdian light is white before prey. Krill light used to be white. They are certainly counterparts. Too much to recognize between the two.

[rigid mural]

Jenova Chen did say Sky was Journey's spiritual successor, make of it what you will.

[boreal nebula]

@tulip aspen @keen shore these used to be meditation spots for some kind of fetch quest, similar to the Manta Whisperer in Citadel (placed near one of those old pavement glyphs)
One year ago if you sit there in Birdnest during daily mediation quest I could sit (after a couple of tries to get the correct spot) and a flying fragments of light + a flame on the ground appeared (but only visible till I got up), maybe it's a reuse of old scripts repurposed, like calling the Meditation Spot near a Prairie (mantas) bell as "Fairy Ring" (while the actual FR is on the opposite Island every hour for the last 10 min, e.g. 0:50 - 1:00)

I cannot recall what were the names of all animals depicted on those glyphs, I can only remembert the one near the 1st manta bell *️⃣ which should have been a turtle in an old iteration of Sky Light Awaits (yeah we could have seen a Turle spirit flying.. not much different than IRL turtle ||crossing finger for Abyss||)

[boreal nebula]

Idk about those rhombus/octahedron diamonds, but I like how they made this Season map officially visible to everyone (instead in game but unnoticed till I discovered it weeks after the start of Assembly)

[keen shore]

Ancestor painting materials :-) looks kinda like palette knives

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, is it strange I think maybe Ark and Abyss are switched in places?

[boreal nebula]

If you ask me, this seasons seems even more interesting

We might get:
• a new (pirate) boat,
• some buildings (maybe a little town, some even with stone gazebos like the ones in Firest Broken Bridges)
• a tent (the 3 lines that almost look a square in Assembly map, 3rd hut where we get the tent/s [little personal gratification])
• AAAnd a lighthouse (who knows... , the local temple, no capital letter bcs maybe it will be lesser)

||Nobody noticed what lies in the yellow circle?! In the middle of the map?!||||A King Statue/turrent||

[keen shore]

Side note about the boat. Is this what the boat in battlefield would look like if it were reconstructed?

[boreal nebula]

Pretty much, yes, but I also wonder if it could also be a smaller cruiser, like the Star Collector from TLP Season

Noticed there is an interstint title for this picture
||AP13_Map1stQuest.png||

[true grove]

[tulip aspen]

no, because i know where you have to go to hop on the boat to abyss, and it's closer than ark's boat

[boreal nebula]

Mmm, interesting

[boreal nebula]

What if... this map will chance with each quest?

[sullen wagon]

Hey, what happens if...
Every Honk we do is the cry for help of all the wl we have collected?
We stole their energy of life and we use it to fly, after all that, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd became crying souls...
But this is just a dark theory, comment but don't take it too serious

[coarse gate]

Omg what is this 😲❤️

Also hi guys me been in class most of the day

[nimble ingot]

Concept art by Tom Zhao.
During development these creatures could have at one point been considered to be in the game, though they did not make it.

[coarse gate]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20343480

[boreal nebula]

Just a little thing, I think snakes move their bodies in a S shape, both on ground and in water
But on sands they move so much their body that on the trail left is a series interwined S, something like
≈
≈
≈
≈
but of course the best I can show here

That aside, it would be nice to see what you said about those concepts

[nimble ingot]

I just compared the stone guardians (also known as war machine and stone serpents) from Journey, to the Dark dragons (krill) in Sky.

[lyric isle]

oh no,,

please please please let this be just for easier referral

[nimble ingot]

what is the matter?

[lyric isle]

it being referred to as a ‘breath meter’

i’m very strongly against the idea of skykids Actually Breathing

so I beg

[nimble ingot]

So, perhaps the air in their bodies then?
Or just the amount of air for the flame to keep burning?

[compact shale]

Where does this come from

[lyric isle]

please let this be just because that’s the easiest thing to call it

@compact shale patch notes

[compact shale]

*kettle noises of pain and suffering

[compact shale]

They released patch notes already?

[lyric isle]

yeah

[nimble ingot]

oh, she is right.
https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?p=all&s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---january-13-2022---0-16-0-182597&l=en

[lyric isle]

(preferably refer to me as she/her or it/its btw)

,,,,,,,, please don’t mean what I think it does

[nimble ingot]

oh damn. days of fortune is darn close!!!

[rigid mural]

Chinese new year is in February yes. And soon after we get days of love.

[nimble ingot]

Earth Element mural icon
So that is what the earth prophet sold.
Makes sense.

[lyric isle]

please don’t say this means skykids breathe. that’s all I wish for

[nimble ingot]

noted, but what if it turns out they do?

[lyric isle]

very loud collapsing of a very massive pile of ideas

“Oh no! Our headcanons! They’re broken!”

[nimble ingot]

In their travels, the rock discovered a brand new vista of floating islands. It seemed like this area was a haven for Light creatures, and the rock was happy to watch them dance through the sky. Whoever lived here must have loved the creatures a lot; they even crafted chimes so the wind could sing with the birds and mantas as they passed through.

So, the elusive rock will move to the flight area?
Perhaps, chime smith's workshop?

If this rock is a real thing, there better be a rock on that wind vane on the table (Just kidding).

[lyric isle]

the entire set of headcanons I have for skykids goes kaput

[nimble ingot]

This might be a hoax, but rumour has it that when a skykid lays down.
Their chests softly, and slowly, rise and falls.

As if, they are breathing, very slowly.

[lyric isle]

that could just be a kinda instinctual movement as to emulate breathing but not actually do it
as to make them appear ‘alive’ to spirits and each other

you can tell I am a million miles deep in denial

[nimble ingot]

ey, no worries.
Everyone has their own theories, and headcanons.

[compact shale]

Lorechat: Look at us, just some non-biological clay-and-light kids flappin around!
Abyss: Blurble?
Lorechat: EEAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH

[lyric isle]

yes

can a spirit come slap me and wake me up
please don’t be
please

[compact shale]

I'M TRYING BUT MY ARM KEEPS GOING THROUGH YOUR FACE!!!

[lyric isle]

AAAAAA
that made me giggle, thank you for easing me out of dread

[rigid mural]

@lyric isle your headcanon is that sky kids are light golem, right ?

[keen shore]

This turned out messier than I hoped because it’s massive and I got exhausted halfway through. But here is my concept of saltmarsh Golden Wastelands. I traced over a bunch of pictures to make sure the geography and architecture was accurate

I just realized this took like 5 hours dang

[lyric isle]

w-what I came up with over time about this, with ideas from others stolen both with permission and ‘that makes sense I believe it too now’

the clay they’re made of is porous, the air meter (imma call it that) is how much they can absorb without it snuffing the flame

[nimble ingot]

time well spent, that grass and water. o.o

[keen shore]

Thankfully I had grass and brick brushes because otherwise I would have probably had a mental breakdown lol, but the rest is by hand

[nimble ingot]

so, skykids breathe through their skin like frogs?

[lyric isle]

potentially???

[keen shore]

No the air meter is how long it takes for the rice you stick inside them for dinner to cook /j

[nimble ingot]

dont start.
I did a drawing and drew every blade of grass in it.

[rigid mural]

We can breathe some liquids, drowning happens due to lack of oxygen so it's possible a sky kid can drown because diving to the abyss snuffs out their flame. They could use magic to stall.

[sly lake]

Fire needs air to survive right? So calling it breath can still work. We need air to keep our inner flame alive. Nothing to worry about!

[lyric isle]

it feels uncanny to me to call it breath

imma just. ignore that

[sly lake]

Actually nevermind, this is definitely the reason behind the new meter.

[rigid mural]

Breath can be an euphemism for life !

[sly lake]

It doesn't feel too weird to me, because it signifies that skykids are living beings, despite not being made of flesh like us organics.

[lyric isle]

that too, that would make sense

[lyric isle]

fair enough
to each their own, we all have different headcanons
this’ll help some and harm some

[sly lake]

Also, I am sure that it is easier to call it "breath" for a wider understanding of how it works to whoever reads it. People naturally understand how breath works. If they called it "air gust meter" like air going into a furnace, I am sure there would be many confused people.

[keen shore]

Do you think a skykid could stick a marshmallow inside their chest orb to toast it? Asking the important questions about anatomy here

[lyric isle]

that’s what I hope it is, and not actually saying they outright breathe

…but tbh, that could mean many things too

[rigid mural]

"Air meter" ?

[sly lake]

I've also seen it referred to as such, yes!

I think this is one of those things where if it was a book series or TV show, it could be called something else, because there would be no need to have people understand it as a mechanic they use, and how it works. But since it's a game, sometimes the rules probably have to be bent a little bit.

I do headcanon that skykids can inhale though-but they just do it to survive how we do because don't have blood to oxygenate. Instead perhaps they use air to keep their inner flame alive, and also to whistle out in various tunes!

[nimble ingot]

I am disgusted and intrigued by this idea.

[sly lake]

Thank you Raider.

[compact shale]

The seal is you once Jan 17 comes.

[sly lake]

When you hit an invisible wall while going OOB.

[keen shore]

Honestly I’m more concerned about the heartbeat sound than them breathing, does the light vibrate or something?? Is the heartbeat just there to make them less scary to ancestors?

[sly lake]

I read a dev answer about that ages ago, if I recall. It's there to emphasize the connection you have with another person when you are holding hands. I think it's rather lovely. 💙

[compact shale]

I think it's the sound of your candle.

[nimble ingot]

https://i.gifer.com/Extm.mp4

[nimble ingot]

As nice as that sounds, the heart beat also comes up in ||your last moments in Eden||.
So, it could also be associated with the skykid experiencing an intense feeling.

[sly lake]

I like that! I hadn't thought about the Eden aspect, but I like your theory.

I think its also likely meant to connect us, the person, to our skykids too. We emphasize with our Skykid struggling in Eden, especially if we hear their heartbeat (Candlebeat? Flamebeat? ) in their last moments.

[nimble ingot]

yup. I really like that detail.

Like most of the things in the game, you can get real deep with the meaning behind things.
For instance, I like to think that the skykid may start out bland and soulless. But through experiences, they gain a personality, an identity and (possibly) a soul.
When you the player breathe life into your skykid, the character you project through them can in a way drive the narrative in the story of the world. Not because you are the protagonist, but more so that you are the protagonist of your own reality, and the world is but an ocean for your ship to sail across.

[rigid mural]

That's what a sky kid would think learning we eat stuff with our fingers

[lyric isle]

OK SO
APPARENTLY

wax has been made more orange, and it turns blue when it touches water

[quick terrace]

Given the significance of colour in this game, it’s a very nice touch imo

[keen shore]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on a ton of skykids being canon vs just one of them being created in the current generation? I really hope it’s the first because the second is way too depressing, although practically, you wouldn’t really need more than 1 with all the spirits in the game

[lyric isle]

so wax is tiny orange lights in itself………

this gives more information of the properties of the coloured lights 👀👀👀👀

[keen shore]

I think the orange color in Sky is supposed to represent flame/the light in general. I was wondering something similar to this just trying to think of the significance of the blue/orange flight color palette

[lyric isle]

regarding the connection with prophecy too, they seem super significant

enchantment moth obsessed with first season moment

[nimble ingot]

Imagine you go about your life and randomly running into your skykid in real life.

What would you do?

[quick terrace]

imo it’s probably a TON existing, given how there are generations of sky kids that need to be freed in eden and how other sky kids exist simultaneously.

[keen shore]

SAMEEE but I also lost my account and had to rejoin with prophecy and am also obsessed with that season. It’s both equally for me

[rigid mural]

pick up and throw them

[keen shore]

Use them to cook rice

[broken prawn]

sit in silence at stare at them for all eternity, not making a single move

[quick terrace]

Get them to fly me everywhere

[nimble ingot]

there could be multiple skykids. Mostly based on the facg the game relies on friends and you need extra players to get to ceetain areas.
So, there could be a lot of skykids in the world, except that for the sake of stroytelling, there is a select amount that would be present at any given time.

[lyric isle]

probably be terrified at first, tbh

but then give them a massive hug

[keen shore]

And then you would dissect them

[rigid mural]

That's a child, I bet that like irl ones sky kids love being thrown.

[broken prawn]

gotta do anything for that sweet sweet lore

[rigid mural]

Wow bell inside king figure

[lyric isle]

also i’d probably ask to have a mask of theirs

dissection for science (though paying for a replacement)

[compact shale]

That depends on what the target is.

Where would you throw a skykid?

[nimble ingot]

They'll be fine.
A krill can do more harm than a human could with a throw.

[keen shore]

It’s okay, they can just be reborn anyways

[rigid mural]

In the air ?

[compact shale]

I think if someone tried to throw us, our cape would automatically switch on

[nimble ingot]

There is also a tiny diamond in the symbol.
This is the pillars that sit in the clouds leading from the daylight prairie social area to the butterfly fields. There are 6 or 7 of them.

[rigid mural]

Yeah, like when you throw a bird. No fear.

[rigid mural]

Wow that's such a HQ pic ! I only ever got blurry pics of these...

[nimble ingot]

Takes a few tries but doable: 👍
I wonder if a table is easier to a more steady shot?

[frigid tinsel]

a being can breathe but not be biologically alive nor organic if the act of breathing allows stimulates some other function it needs to operate.

what i'm thinking is that their flame needs oxygen but produces another gas, too much of with can snuff out the flame. so "breathing" is just pumping that gas out and sifting oxygen in.

things that make you go hmm

[nimble ingot]

Skykids be breathing out smoke like-
erm...
That might not be a good analogy.

How about skykids can easily breath out steam no matter the weather!

[compact shale]

Maybe we should ask Ash if this breathing stuff actually has lore implications for us or if it's just one of those things in the season that aren't really canon.

"Sanctuary is a little different, we wanted to create a getaway vacation experience because so many of us have been in lockdown for many, many months. Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season. Though that can be applied to any season. Sometimes we need to break the fourth wall a bit to create good gameplay experiences. "

-Ktjn

[nimble ingot]

crew of 4, excluding the captian, I presume.

[frigid tinsel]

a captain is considered part of the crew

[rigid mural]

4 spirits + qg

They're just separating a spirit from the rest but that's a total of 5 spirits, all on the promo art.

[lyric isle]

maybe one of them isn’t part of the crew and just tagging along

[nimble ingot]

"Meet the Abyss guide and a crew of four Spirits..."

[frigid tinsel]

i cant read

[broken prawn]

its fine lol, happens to the best of us xd

[rigid mural]

Ok they removed the sword so we don't think it's a prop, but does that mean we will get a diamond and a map prop

[frigid tinsel]

skykids carrying around power diamonds, surely nothing will go wrong /s

[tidal valve]

Maybe the spirit will get a fishing rod jk

[compact shale]

Fisheeeeeeeee

[tidal valve]

I’m excited for the next season, but I can’t do any exploring since I have a deep fear of the ocean ❤️ maybe I’ll try to go and explore dispete that to contribute to the lore discussion but idk

[rigid mural]

Fishing minigame, for the dads. Finally a demographic that can afford TGC IAPs.

[nimble ingot]

[rigid mural]

🎣

[nimble ingot]

🍣

[tidal valve]

[nimble ingot]

just erase the space after adding the emoji.

[compact shale]

I mean, maybe the surface has some lore as well

If not we can sacrifice a few players to gather lore resources for everyone

[tidal valve]

Guess, they’ll quite litteraly be walking the plank

[rigid mural]

I don't care for wl, bring it on

[tidal valve]

I think your skykid does thou...

[compact shale]

Hahahha

I'm not gonna be anyone's sacrifice anytime soon tho

I forgot how to swim and I have no idea what the heck to do in deep water sooooo

GOOD DAMN LUCK VELAAAAA

[rigid mural]

I go by the basis my skykid is me, ain't got no time for meta stuff where the character I customize and play as is not a blank slate.

[keen shore]

Don’t worry I’ll be doing most of the diving bits… but let’s be real, deep sea stuff will probably be mandatory to complete this season

[tidal valve]

If all else fails, force close game? I don’t mind wl to much either but if I get stuck underwater you best bet I’m closing that game IMMIDENITKY SCARY

[tidal valve]

I go by bear uwu

[rigid mural]

Losing 1 or 2 wl is nbd when you are well above 150, plus I love swimming so yeah, I can ferry people via warp if they need to go as fast as possible

[frigid tinsel]

this season is, canonically, when one of my sky OCs get eaten split in half and almost dies cos they're a stubborn fool who attracts trouble so 🖐️

[tidal valve]

(-,: I think I’m going to rely on warp with my friends if quests are underwater,,,, please let me stay above the surface while you do all the work hahah I’m a little scaredy cat

[compact shale]

(cadet)

[rigid mural]

Thalassophobia is very real, that's understandable.

[tidal valve]

Only started when I read a whale book in 3rd grade... squids and octopus are my enemy I will eat them all

[keen shore]

Let’s be real, this probably happens to the average skykid at least once a week anyways

[rigid mural]

Good news ! Some are edible.

[frigid tinsel]

codeword being some

[rigid mural]

I'd like to see you try with a blue-ringed octopus.

[tidal valve]

Blue ring are in Australia right?

I have found my challenge then, time to go outside to meet my oppentment

[frigid tinsel]

there's prob a chef out there who's a madlad

[rigid mural]

But yeah, leave the exploring to me if deep waters make you queasy. I will probably get a few nice screenshots there anyway.

[tidal valve]

omg I’m going to have to keep one eye closed in lore chat when the new season drops OWO

[rigid mural]

You will litterally die instantly when you touch it !

[keen shore]

I am the opposite, I saw a book about the deep sea and now I love it, I think it’s super neat. Except for the drowning part they should really fix that in the next human update

[frigid tinsel]

megabird making skykids after the ancestors died.

[tidal valve]

But still I’m super excited for the next season anyways, maybe a little anxious about the dead people screaming when you enter the boat...

[compact shale]

The breath thing is the only thing holding me back from becoming a delver lmao

[tidal valve]

I feel like it could just be used litteraly, just to explain how it works, I feel like the breath meter is added to bring a little bit of challenge to the new area

The ultimate gift is a rebreather, so this would imply that spirits do in fact breathe, and since skykids mimic and learn from spirits they might’ve made themselves mimic the idea of breathing while viewing spirit memories?

[quick terrace]

this was funnier than it had the right to be .

[compact shale]

Install new software

[rigid mural]

Megabird looking at the ancestor fiasco: "Wack."

[compact shale]

Maybe we should ask Ash if this breathing stuff actually has lore implications for us or if it's just one of those things in the season that aren't really canon.

"Sanctuary is a little different, we wanted to create a getaway vacation experience because so many of us have been in lockdown for many, many months. Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season. Though that can be applied to any season. Sometimes we need to break the fourth wall a bit to create good gameplay experiences. "

-Ktjn

[tidal valve]

Yeah, or just added for gameplay purposes which is what in leaning towards

The power diamonds in the map is making what to think this season will be more lore heavy though...

(-,: I’ll be able to enjoy the new season without distractions because I think by then it’ll still be apart of the 7 days I have to self isolate so... lucky? Me?

[frigid tinsel]

not 100% sure if those actually are power diamonds but i do agree they're really sus

[tidal valve]

Crab cut into diamond shape jk

[keen shore]

Maybe the underwater part is necessary for lore, but the only way we could get to it was bending the anatomy lore a bit?? I’m pretty sure they’re small power diamonds, because they’re blue, they’re diamond shaped, and it would make sense that pirates would be after them cause they’re probably super valuable. They seem about the size you’d find in a door maybe

Although I DO think it would be funny for them to be counterfeiting power diamonds

[frigid tinsel]

counterfeit power diamonds, just rocks painted blue?

[compact shale]

Blacker-than-power diamonds market

[tidal valve]

I can’t remember much of the patch notes but I think around the lines that they were leaving to find something? Don’t remember if it was fully implied what they were looking for,, maybe a new energy source?

[keen shore]

Or painted glass depending on the weight you need to replicate… I need answers on how to counterfeit power diamonds. They seem like they have similar weight to a rock or maybe metal though

[tidal valve]

also, does this season come before or after the destruction of gw? From the teaser the underwater areas mostly look undisturbed? But also, how would it map out...

We know that gw is below the clouds, they they are litteraly underwater so how would that work?? So they can’t be floating in the air

[frigid tinsel]

maybe they were after gems for money cos shiny things = profit

[keen shore]

Maybe they need the power diamonds to recharge their boat or something, like batteries. If they are in fact power diamonds then this is probably pre-disaster because I can’t imagine wanting to go near the things after The Incident

[tidal valve]

Wait... maybe we get proof of spirit currency? There are class systems in valley, but we haven’t found anything about currency yet

[frigid tinsel]

maybe those spirits died before The Incident thus don't know or many ancestors actually don't know what happened, Eden just exploded one day and welp we're dying now.

[keen shore]

Side note I also noticed something neat in flight while mural hunting. The chips of blue paint on the arch imply it was originally painted that color and the paint has just worn away over time…
Which is interesting because it means glowy paint doesn’t wear off even under the extreme wind seen in flight and after at least a couple decades

[compact shale]

Yeah idk why

[tidal valve]

Blue paint reminds me of the concept art ideas for the different realm doors to have their own design, prarie was to have blue chips on it so that it appeared and looked more natural, might be a reference towards prarie since flight guide was prarie apptrentice, but also maybe to help reinforce the idea that wind paths is a very natural and nature/ light creature dependant area! ?

I feel like the glowly parts of the arch might be more then just paint, since it’s activated by lighting the candles, might be a spell?

[keen shore]

WAIT this means all the gold stuff we can see in valley is fake. The ancestors never had gold in the first place

[frigid tinsel]

The ancestors certainly typical paint (non light colors) and light-based paint (see murals)

[tidal valve]

I feel like the gold stuff in valley is acutal gold, they probably got it from mining?

[frigid tinsel]

Gilded age

[tidal valve]

gold paint I think is also in prophecy caves? and those murals also only appear after completing a trail, so those paint methods date back to the very beginning, ,,,?

[keen shore]

My best guess as to the light paint materials is ground up butterflies but I could be wrong, I mean, it would explain the glowiness…

The ancestors did mine a lot (see forest) so them getting gold wouldn’t be too weird, they just don’t seem to use it or metal in general nearly as much as we do. & all the paint in prophecy is the glowing stuff, it was probably the first paint/pigment created

[tidal valve]

I think I read a patch note that the earth prop is wrong and was meant to be a different design..? And that it should’ve changed during this update

Mhm I feel like it could be harvested from a light creature because, glowing , but I also want to believe against it since wind paths and prarie are really in tune with the creatures in those realms

That being said... they do have pots,

[boreal nebula]

Idk if you already did this task, if you can there are 2 krills in Office (safe and sound if they dont get activated)
One is in the clouds in front of Office, tho, only the head pops out of the clouds from time to time, the other is below Office and you can OOB undee it (somehow rhe other dsy I even got below the foundations )
(Last pic is from ahead, I tried to land and "ride" it, but they windwall repeals)

[rigid mural]

The arches were painted sky blue 🥺

[sly lake]

Perhaps it occurs during the downfall? When some areas have started to become dangerous and ancestors are turning to unsavory ways to try and survive?

Eager to discuss once the season has launched officially.

[boreal nebula]

A volcanic caldera? Yeah, maybe. But there are other way an archipelagus can form, for example an "hotspot" on the Earth Mantle, thus creating more isles and island along the line (to be exact, I think it's more likely the tectonic plate moved rather than the 'hotspot')

[frigid tinsel]

hotspots form when plumes of magma, hot material from the core of the Earth, push through solid layers of the crust to the surface far from a tectonic plate boundary. hotspots are almost always volcanos. you're right that they move as the tectonic plate moves and can create a chain of islands, see Hawaii.

iirc hotspot volcanoes are seldom big enough violent enough for them to end up as calderas but it's not removed from the possibility.