lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

yes, kamilico is fantastic

[ember elbow]

i have it but i cant find a credit for it

[tulip aspen]

yes of course, i call the being off light underneath the shell "CotL"

was it the egg yolk

[flat mist]

hey so when i was doing orbit i noticed around the floating castle there was the light symbol around it. the one you see when you look at eden from a distance. From eden, if you look up your see that symbol in the sky. So, you can see the castle from Eden. You can also see it from far away. So i think the first part of orbit is what eden used to look like. I know its definitely been talked about and agreed on probably, but i just wanted to put in my own input on the subject.

[ember elbow]

its there even after you fall

[flat mist]

and then you go up and its circling the light, and theres a greyed out one around the castle bit

also this. Credit to @magic acorn

[tulip aspen]

yeah, that's what i thought when someone tried to say robot arm tbh

[tulip aspen]

whoa... yikes

[ember elbow]

the og poster is a chinese fan on bilibili. cant tell if this is concept from the chinese server folks or fan art. 🤔 i cant read anything but english lol

[tulip aspen]

i wish we knew how much we could trust chinese and japanese concept and official art or not

cant wait to get a nonanswer about it from ash at the next lore beaning

[ember elbow]

im getting the sense ash likes to tease us with these lore beanings

[tulip aspen]

who wouldn't

[keen shore]

Hello I know this is a weird question but most people seem to assume the spirits were normal alive people (this sounds like I’m an alien talking about people) before the cataclysmic event happened and all of them died and now they’re spirits. But is there any actual evidence to suggest they worked like humans at all?

There are no food production sites (farms, hunting or fishing equipment, etc). The only evidence that they really eat is the crabs turning on a spit over the fire in GW but they could be being harvested for something else. They don’t always settle near sources of water as you may expect from ancient civilizations because, y’know, needing to drink, fish, and using it as a trade route. There is water in a lot of the realms in some capacity but there’s no water transportation system (ie aqueducts) to spread it throughout the realm. The closest thing to a sewage system are the pipes in GW but they don’t really seem to be used for that purpose. Sorry if I’m restating something already known — this channel has a LOT of info to read through — it’s just something I’ve been thinking about for awhile

[hushed steeple]

Ark scare oddly relevant today. He tried planting food. Alchemist tried purifying some water. They prolly died out because they could not make the land fruitful.

[keen shore]

OH J FORGOT ABOUT THE FARM

[rigid mural]

Grandma feeds us too; if the ancestors couldn't eat, she probably wouldn't know how to bake...

[keen shore]

I mean to be fair, it could be cotton or some kind of non food crop. Maybe even a kind of herb used in spells. It’s just weird to me that there’s not a lot of functional food, water, or waste infrastructure

I assumed the Grandma dumplings were non canon, maybe they can eat or drink when they choose to but don’t necessarily need to?

[rigid mural]

Also, water can be gathered from clouds; a huge part of the realms has access to the open skies as well so maybe trading didn't necessarily require proximity to a body of water.

[keen shore]

Oh the cloud idea is smart, I didn’t think of that. Thanks for the observation :+)

[frigid tinsel]

it's also possible there were larger-scale food production sites in the kingdom that are currently covered by clouds. perhaps as the storms recedes further, they may revealed

[keen shore]

That was my next question. Is it currently accepted that the clouds are connected to the disaster and only appeared after it? I assumed the realms shattered in some way (like the missing parts of the birds nest in prairie fell beneath the clouds)

[rigid mural]

I see where you're getting at but if the dumplings are not canon, then why bother making them from a dev standpoint ? Could have been simply the fireplace giving us free wax like in home right now...

I think the ancestors were creatures that needed sustenance, perhaps like the fauna, they were creatures of light and/or darkness whose cooking involved magic.

[rigid mural]

There's a theory the elder used the power of earth (see Prophecy mursls) to make the islands float, as completing the trial also makes rocks float & I recall the power of earth depicted doing that on the first corridor murals

[ember elbow]

keep talking. im just lurking 👀

[keen shore]

I appreciate the counterpoints and all btw. (Not sarcasm) I’m obviously new to the server and most of the complex lore is unknown to me at this point, so I make assumptions off my limited knowledge of how both the in world game and irl ancient civs work

[rigid mural]

Yeah yeah don't sweat it ! It's fun here.

[frigid tinsel]

given that the Sky world is in the sky, there may have always been clouds, but after the disaster and the Eden storm began the storm clouds covered more of the world than before. see, the wind paths closed up after a period of lack of use but opened up again with the presence of migratory light creatures, so there was certainly a period of lack of light after the Eden disaster that allowed the clouds to take over more territory than before.

I don't try to only butt in with counterpoints. I like the discussions here and I like adding to them, adding to other people's theories. sometimes folk don't got all the facts right away too and there's nothing wrong with that either. I just want us all working on the same page.

[keen shore]

This was actually why I considered it non canon because skykids clearly don’t need to it. I don’t even know if they can, so it seemed weird that they would be given to us. Also (responding to Alasdair here because I don’t feel like waiting another 40sec for it) the clouds being connected to the Eden disaster feels a bit odd because they give you light instead of sapping it when you fly through. This might be a game development decision at the expense of lore so we don’t just fall out of the realm which is understandable, but it does confuse me a little

[deep osprey]

So we can partially fix the bridges, but not completely. Could a blender artist maybe Photoshop this to see what it might look like if all bridges were fixed?

[keen shore]

I can try doing some concept art / sketches of how it would work later but I’m not sure if I have time

[rigid mural]

Oh I am FASCINATED by the forest. Valley's buildings are pristine too but they look mostly residential. The bridges in forest tho ? Chef's kiss. Makes me think of those bridges that fold to let boats pass.

Baby we're going to map that last area of forest, it looks almost like a sacred grove corrupted by industrialization.

[keen shore]

I do have to wonder how the Sky world works like, there are obviously bits of standing water like lakes, oceans, that would just pour out if put over open air. But it’s obviously in the sky because of the clouds. Are there bits of rock that go under the water, like little bowls? Is it just solid rock all the way down to the “normal” ground level and this realm is just really tall?

Also you might be onto something with how Forest’s bridges work. Them having a folding mechanism explains why they split so easily and cleanly into those uniform chunks, rather than simply shattering. They can also just be stored under the water instead of folding upwards but I feel like that would be inefficient and lead to the bridge getting damaged/eroded so I assume they’re not supposed to be under the water and the bridge is damaged

[ember elbow]

this kinda ties into my theory about the credits. theres two planets. one blue, one orange. Sky and Journey. Just me?

[rigid mural]

Japanese garden bridges lol, with the shelter and all.

[keen shore]

I would kill for a comprehensive map of Sky, especially one with speculation about how it looked pre disaster and under the clouds. I can kind of work out some of the geography but the clouds and such definitely get in the way.
Like is Isle of Dawn an actual isle? Who knows, the clouds near the temple obstruct where the end of the land heading into the sea would be. Could be a peninsula. How high up in altitude is the forest? Is Starlight Desert a continuation of Golden Wasteland’s desert? So on

[frigid tinsel]

something I've thought of and still working out is that the clouds are not inherently dark. while their presence may have increased due to the Eden storm, is it possible that the Eden storm is pulling in light? Eden is full of darkness and dark things that want light (krill, corrupted darkstone). there may be some sense of homeostasis occurring, as in natural forces trying to restore balance to itself by moving some of its excess elsewhere into the place where it lacks. this would explain the wind that strengthens the closer to Eden & Wasteland you are and the concentration of clouds around Eden itself and the whirlpool at the entrance of Wasteland. in this case, the world of Sky has a void of light due to the excessive presence of darkness and the lack of light creatures so light from elsewhere is drawing in in attempt to fill that hole, which manifests as clouds.

what it doesn't explain is how the storm increases the presence of clouds throughout the whole world rather than drawing them away, which would be the other sense. it's possible that when light creatures were more plentiful, they managed the latent light in clouds just by existing, acting as light forces in their own right, therefore the clouds had no need to fill in the gaps. without them, only the clouds are left to manage the balance of light in Sky.

[rigid mural]

I have a headcanon that last part of forest had a higher water level back in the day; see most buildings being built on piers, and the tree roots making the area look like a mangrove (though mangroves are saltwater forests).

Maybe it was more akin to a marsh after the ancestors started cutting trees.

[keen shore]

I like this theory. It also implies that the darkness isn’t a separate force, but simply the complete lack of light, like it all got drained in one massive burst or something.
Clouds would probably be super common in general because most of daylight prairie SEEMS to be located over the ocean surrounding isle of dawn (heavy assumptions here because obviously clouds get in the way) considering just the geography in general and how the sanctuary islands work. The thing your theory cannot explain is the presence of clouds in these areas, however, all the “missing” areas filled with clouds are located directly over the ocean with direct access to full sunlight. Lots of water = lots of evaporation = lots of clouds. So maybe new clouds are being produced there that aren’t necessarily getting sucked in

Apologies if I’m horrible at wording things lmao

[frigid tinsel]

yea, water cycle in all that, you make a really good point. also there are things that don't seem to have light that do have light after breaking them down – speaking of darkness plants, after melting them you get bits of light. clouds may work the same way. they form due to sunlight warming water into vapor, but as clouds they still contain that energy that converted liquid into gas, or in this case light. there is light in clouds because clouds were made due to a process involving sunlight.

[keen shore]

Do you think the darkness plants give light because they absorb it to survive and once they’re gone the light bursts out around them? Like normal plants, except since the light works differently in this world, they interact with it differently.
They seem to sprout near places of light (near spirit memories, as a sort of parasite or prison around creatures of light, near light blooms)

The clouds giving you sunlight energy is probably the best explanation for why they give light. Normally they’d be negative (due to how cold they are and them possibly weighing down your wings, if you think the capes themselves are corporeal instead of light) so the sunlight makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

darkness seems to be a force attracted to light, hence why so many dark things attack and capture light, as you pointed out how the darkness plants (some consider it a fungi) tend to sprout around light. i'm mixed between considering it a force in its own right or simply the absence of light - could it be both? possibly. it's the absence of light cos of how it takes away, holds, and restricts light – though definitely not passively.

as for capes, skykids' capes appear to be light, tangible but not necessarily corporeal. if you look at skykids' shadows, their cape doesn't cast a shadow. so capes wouldn't weigh them down if wet (if they could even get wet. now that's something to think about)
edit to fix a bad spelling error

[keen shore]

I imagine a wet sky kid like a wet cat lol

Now that you mention it, the capes seem to act like matter. They hang off things, you can touch them, they get tattered etc. I wonder if something about the process of winged light being “stored” inside them (for lack of a better term) is why they can’t cast a shadow

Now I’m wondering what the lore explanation is for the light/glowy effects from emotes

[rigid mural]

Magic

[keen shore]

Also can someone fill me in on why spirits/elders are so obsessed with pots? Like are they portable light containers or something?

[frigid tinsel]

well winged light makes up the cape and as the glowy bois, they don't cast shadows, so makes sense for an object made of winged light, that doesn't cast a shadow, to not cast a shadow neither.

light in the sky world is sorta tangible sometimes, whether as light orbs or light creatures. skykids, being beings partially made of light, can interact with light more freely than any other entity in sky can, hence why their capes are tangible to them but the capes are not to anything else.

skykids prob don't just contain only winged light as the only kind of light inside themselves – see a newborn skykid's eyes being beams of light before they even interacted with winged light. we also pick up bits of light from the world around us. we also have our flame. I'd imagine the light effects from emotes is just them using light to express themselves further.

[keen shore]

Yeah probably true. They can manifest the light to some extent outside themselves by honking so it makes sense to do it in small, concentrated bursts as a form of expression

[tulip aspen]

the popular understanding is that skykids and ancestors (the living version of spirits) aren't biological beings, and just beings made of some sort of pure ethereal Light from Orbit

they do have a physical form covering the Light energy, which is popularly described/observed as some sort of shell, made of clay or earth (in an early concept art for the game skykids were said to be made of clay)

cosmetics of skykids can also be (theoretically) explained. they can emanate and project their light, so clothes, hairstyles, and and capes are all just projections of our light, with our basic form just being a small black humanoid child

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[deep osprey]

Forest seems to be an industrial based realm...

[tulip aspen]

oooo

[keen shore]

Thank you!!!!!

[tulip aspen]

alongside our findings on skid anatomy, ive always thought lv 2 n 4 emotes can be absolutely canon; it's just more projection of light

[keen shore]

I mean yeah, if you’re one of the lore enthusiasts who believe that every physical aspect of skykids apart from their base body is light, the emotes being canon is just the natural continuation of that. Part of the lore struggle is figuring out what aspect of the game are canon and which are just there for ease of gameplay

Also I’m about to log on for my candle run, is there any screenshots of areas anyone wants for analysis purposes??

[tulip aspen]

its a very easy way to explain everything, but it doesnt feel lazy either, so yea :D

[keen shore]

I’m going to try to explore the wasteland battlefield area. I’ve been trying for awhile to figure out why the spears/shields are so big, because they seem too big and clunky for even the elders, so I’m looking for a kind of harpoon/cannon style machine that would shoot the spears at krills, or…I don’t know, giants???

Or what in the world those giant skeletons in wasteland are. Has anyone done a reconstruction of what organism they are yet? They don’t seem to resemble any creature that’s still alive

[tulip aspen]

i think some are proven to be whales, but others are more controversial

the wasteland elder uses their spear quite fine, but that implies there were giant soldier ancestors that were as big as him..

[keen shore]

I love how the longer you play this game, it turns from endless candle speed runs to an archaeology simulator

[tulip aspen]

im basically just a data and logistics researcher here

[frigid tinsel]

My Minecraft friends gave me a nickname related to how much I invest in lore hunting if that’s any indication, but it’s not appropriate for this server...

[rigid mural]

Honestly this is a thing irl too, you see a lot of pots and vases in archeology.

Humans 🤝 Ancestors
_ _ pot

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie folk seem to really like those pots tho

[keen shore]

Yeah like it’s their favorite gift to give their elder, it’s one of their main products (aside from ships) and the Hermit’s cave (in Valley) is FILLED with pots. It could just be a convenient way to store things but that doesn’t really explain why the elder seems to like that much.

Speaking of Prairie, has anyone managed to figure out what the Laughing Light Catcher spirit memory means?? It seems connected to the light seeker & enchantment quest lights somehow

[keen shore]

Oh yeah also the grandma making dumplings knocks out another Ancient Human love: BREAD

[frigid tinsel]

Well it’s in their name — Laughing Light Catcher and other light catchers caught orbs of light that fell from the sky, which were probably stored in those pots.
Thus the pots in the elder’s temple were prob offerings of light

[rigid mural]

The prairie elder effect

[keen shore]

I tried to react with a pot emote but realized we don’t have one besides the daylight prairie constellation which needs to be rectified Immediately

[tulip aspen]

can i hear it in dms? 👀

[rigid mural]

🏺

[frigid tinsel]

Sure

[keen shore]

Imagine the prairie elder just really likes pottery so they just make them pots as a cool gift, that’s all there is to it

[rigid mural]

The theme you hear when entering their temple is titled "pottery walk" !

[keen shore]

Every time a new boat pulls up with more pots they get super excited

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie elder when pots: 🥰

[keen shore]

Their entire life mission is to collect all the pots in the world

[rigid mural]

Prairie Elder doing their lil gasp when a sky kid offers them a pot made with love.

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie elder when pots

[keen shore]

Quick question, are the murals on the sides of the forgotten ark meant to imply GW was once a forest or that they traveled through HF?

I’m really late to this but I noticed something hilarious awhile ago. When mentioning spirits, elders, etc in English tgc always uses they/them pronouns… except for one spirit. The grandma from SO belonging gets referred to with she/her in days of feast’s patch notes, which implies she invented those pronouns. Might not be fully canon but I like to imagine she invented the concept of gender too but no one else liked it

[sharp lichen]

I’d assume ancestors/spirits don’t reproduce then?

[keen shore]

They can have sexes but not genders

[fleet saddle]

Ah yes, grandma has been confirmed to have neopronouns.

Also, maybe instead of sprits or spiritual beings reproducing, maybe the elders create the sprits? It can also kind explain why ‘ you ‘ are needed, because not only the world is at stake with darkness taking over, but without elders, the population of the world will drop.

And by create, I don’t mean they give birth. I mean like..build them.

[keen shore]

Could be true, although season of belonging implies some kind of familial structure exists, which means “parents” would have some influence in the “child’s” creation. Whether this is just being chosen to raise them or being a part of the process is unclear.
Also keep in mind that child spirit ancestors exist so the process of building ancestors, if it existed, would be different than that of skykids, who do not grow and change outside of spells

[tulip aspen]

im not entirely in favor of belonging defining parents as influencing the birth of another being (bias as my main theories claim they all fall from the Sky as CotL)

id like to think they are a family because they adopted one another into that group

[keen shore]

I wanted to include that in the influence part but I wasn’t entirely sure how to phrase it… words are hard, especially when talking about concepts like these

[fleet saddle]

Maybe like the sprits go up to their elder and ask them to create them a child?

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, there’s no reason to make it out to be more complicated than it actually is

[frigid tinsel]

I’m sure referring to Granny as she/her is a slip-up. Granny/Grandma is a community given name that prob stuck with the devs. In game, Granny is referred to as Belonging Ancestor.

Still, one can be nonbinary and use gendered terms and pronouns. For one thing, pronouns ≠ gender, even if the connotation is there. Like their attire, the terms don’t have the gender coding we apply from our world to the ancestors cos they were agender, a genderless society. It just looked good to them. Perhaps the same can be said for pronouns and terminology.

I like referring to everyone as they/them cos it at least acknowledges the genderless, nonbinary nature of this world.

[keen shore]

Oh yeah I agree. I should have specified my thing wasn’t really canonical, I just thought it was hilarious. I also specified that pronouns =/= gender earlier up (she invented pronouns vs invented gender) I really like the gender less nature of Sky as an nb person :+)

[frigid tinsel]

The insatiable genderqueer/nonbinary urge to they/them every Sky character

[keen shore]

YEAHHH
I’m gonna keep the grandma thing as a head canon because the idea that one person thought of gender and everyone else unanimously rejected it is hilarious to me, mostly because I would do the same thing

[frigid tinsel]

Granny: here’s a cool thought — gender.
Legit everyone else: yea that’s not cool or smthjng whatever floats your boat ig smh old ppl

[tulip aspen]

see the joke here is that, in the Sky kingdom, boats literally float

[quick terrace]

EHWIAKSHEGE I LOVE THAT

[solar maple]

Is this implying that in real life boats just sink /j

[tulip aspen]

I'd tell you that in the end, all boats will eventually sink, but that's just depressing

[oblique oasis]

Eating light? 👀

[harsh pecan]

Idk

[oblique oasis]

Shrouded in darkness??? Where? I need to know pls

[keen shore]

It could be a metaphorical picture. The forbidden fruit was meant to be tied to forbidden knowledge inthe original tale and since some of the evidence in Sky seems to suggest industrialization caused the apocalypse it would make sense
Like the Sky equivalent of a … I hate to say this, political cartoon

[hushed steeple]

Oops didn’t mean to send that

[hollow knot]

who’s the cute guy you’re texting 👀

[oblique oasis]

Guys

[wary raptor]

um my brother..

[oblique oasis]

Y'all know what Chandler means?
It means candlemaker.
Pointing candlemaker's name is Chandler

[hollow knot]

is he single 👀

[wary raptor]

....

[rigid mural]

Jesus Christ

[wary raptor]

why.

[hollow knot]

cause i am duh

[rigid mural]

Oh look ! Concept realm themes !

[wary raptor]

ooo

[hollow knot]

[oblique oasis]

Lamed haters and Lamed lovers alike, gather round.

The Hebrew letter know as "Lamed" is believed to be modelled after a castle prod or a shepherd's stick.

Take this how you will.

[frigid tinsel]

worrior

[wary tulip]

:O i like the concept @rigid mural

[rigid mural]

They're from a videogame event in China afaik, Krii sent me these screens a few days ago

[distant turtle]

Deep call on that level in Vault and the dark versions of the creatures are around.

[oblique oasis]

Aight, thanks!

I think those might just be in the programming tho, not intentional, but basing theories on EVERYTHING just makes the game more immersive amirite

[tulip aspen]

ah

[tulip aspen]

nani??
so you can see shadowy figures in the oob?

[fringe hare]

Yeah the shadow mantas^^ I think that’s what they’re talking about. Big ol shadow boys that can only be seen in the light of a hönk

I can’t find it but someone had posted a picture of a mural somewhere that looked like the king eating a sphere, anybody knows where that was? Vault oob? Gives me a better idea about where all these spheres in all the other murals are headed snacks for the royalty

[tulip aspen]

ive never seen these mantas what @_@

[fringe hare]

Yeeee the upper vault floor with the cakes, deep hönk a lot and look around. You’ll see them :3 they’re like the same model as the big manta type creatures but just pitch black.

Yin yang vibes

[thin dirge]

That was the Vault Elder cutscene. You need to watch until the end

[fringe hare]

Hmhmhm soo I should be able to see that in the vault oob perghasp. Thank you ^.^ gonna go see that

[tulip aspen]

whoa rly??

wow i apparently just do not know anything about the game lol the field researchers do it for me

[thin fossil]

Thankyou so much i can make meaningful words now

[thin fossil]

The eden king isnt it

[fringe hare]

Yeah that’s him. Eating up the balls of light

[thin fossil]

💀

Im seeing it like
Creating balls of light instead of eating it

[fringe hare]

My head cannon is set. The balls of light are like batteries that could have been used to better the lives of the ancestors, but were instead eaten by the king in his greedy attempt to reach megabird-hood. Which failed and ruined everything. Thanks guy.

Ooo neat way to see it! @thin fossil to me he looks kinda.. cold and hungry.

It would be nice if he was creating them to share..

[thin fossil]

OMG NICEEE, THAT MAKE SENSE TOO :D

[fringe hare]

It’s cause in the other murals I see everyone carrying balls of light via boats, to somewhere.. didn’t know where. But now I see a bunch of empty handed ancestors and one large entity with a large ball and his mouth open. 😬

He’s also the biggest entity anywhere this side of orbit, he had to get that big/sustain that size somehow

[thin fossil]

Yea he's so big

[fringe hare]

HUGE! Have you seen the size of the statues in his likeness? The huge towers in GW’s battlefield? Crazy. Absolutely staggers everything else, even the elders

[thin fossil]

I wonder how he get corrupted? 'Cause of greed?

[thin fossil]

YEAAA! ITS HIS MASK IM SURE ABOUT IT :D

[fringe hare]

Wait… what if the giant unstable power diamond bursting in eden would have been on top of his crown sus

[thin fossil]

WAIT WAIT, IF THAT SO.... HE'S REALLY HUGE

[fringe hare]

I’m saying
Huge if, but STILL

[thin fossil]

I NEED MORE LORE FKDKKEOENDBDHSHDNDJE

[tulip aspen]

for me i always saw it as "using the power of the light"

[fringe hare]

Yeahh I was gonna say idk if he’s physically consuming them, or using them for whatever end caused the apocalypse. Or some other thing. But it’s nice knowing where all the balls go

[fringe hare]

There’s so much lol

[tulip aspen]

The player projection theory everybody.
What we do as players really does come out in our characters, and I really do believe any and all of those interactions we have with the world and other skykids, is canon

Being of Light Anatomy Theory
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

Player Burnout theory
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VwbusEv9XMN83HwJHO9JmBx5HbvhLTSIHHlIz5bvTDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[boreal nebula]

🍳

[random quiver]

What is this channel?

[true grove]

To discuss the lore crumbs of sky filled with a lot of king followers and megabird enjoyers

[tulip aspen]

what

[tulip aspen]

it's a place... to discuss
about lore (there's spoilers too)

[harsh pecan]

Are you a king liker too?

[thin fossil]

Um not really
I dont like corrupted elder •-•

[boreal nebula]

Idk why but I get the feeling this is a fan art

Maybe because there stage where we see the whale bones doesn't seem very similar to the structure of the whale bones near in forest graveyard

There the whale seems lying down (maybe she herself landed there) and all herpointy bones are upwards. If that was true, I don't see the correlation with the bone stage in the whale to krill transformation

If instead her bones were put there in place by someone else so their order isn't per se a hint about their original bones structure

Even if I think it would be nice to have a exotic bone structure where rip bones are pointing up, that could be something to disprove my theory

[harsh pecan]

Dang ok

[thin fossil]

But i like the lore ajsjksnsjs

[boreal nebula]

Can you DM me the link to that fan poster? Maybe I could find a way to translate something out of it

[random quiver]

Oh chat spoilers? Like ||office|| alright
b y e

[tulip aspen]

yes lol

[tulip aspen]

yeah lol they literally said it was fan art and credited the maker

[oblique oasis]

This seemed like a good opportunity to reenforce my allegiance to the Royal (King/Prince)

[boreal nebula]

I don't think those could be pipes of sewage, though

Yes, there are dark waters now in but what if they're polluted because of the cataclysm? Maybe they needed a continuous flux of clean water from Wasteland (where the clean waters of Valley naturally fell), idk know what for, but maybe they needed a giant water cooling system for their energy source, the so called Eden Giant Red Power Diamond).
Of course there's no way to know any for sure as if now, but it could be logical, if you have a giant electric generator you might need a way to balance its heat generation to prevent overheating

Btw there is a spot in Eden with possibly clean water. In the first part of Eden our goal is to enter the barracks after the climb, but on the cliff we can see a giant pipe below it.

You can hear there is water flowing/falling from it (I could never see any when landing inside that pipe, either I don't feel any effect of darkwater draining my light)

If you walk on the plain, the bottom of that map, and walk toward the spot below that pipes the sound of water is clearer till you "touch" a reset that makes you respawn at your last checkpoint during the Eden climb (and if you just entered from Eden door to direct to the bottom plain you risk to return to Eden Social Area, maybe even seeing the door shutting again)

[boreal nebula]

It was what I thought too, making rocks fly, but if I recall there lines of the Green Light from Enchantment Quest "the gift of Air to Earth" seems depited on the mural in the corridor (yes there's floating stones, but) the green light makes blooming flowers and after all the farmer in Ench cutscene uses that Green Light to give us a flourishing landscape 🖼️

[boreal nebula]

To tell you the truth , in lore we all make assumptions of the limited knowledge the game can give us

[boreal nebula]

[boreal nebula]

Starlight desert is which the puzzle. Devs said it's up to us to tell what from it can be real and what is a dream/collision with the world of TLP.

But if you ask me I think that desert really exist, but in a far away land (after Eden seems very far in there, instead of being as close as it should be like in GW.

Since it was released aroun the time Sky Switch Trialer was I kind of see a similarity with the same lands that carriage in the trailer passes. I think those lands could be far away from Isle shores too (after all they seems to enter reach the shores from south, passing through the intro tunnel)

[keen shore]

I thought the terrain in the trailer was Isle pre disaster? I saw someone comparing the landscape and it was similar, that part where you fly up to the temple from the giant stone outcrop was there. I might be misremembering but I’ll see if I can get a screenshot to compare

If I’m right that is a neat tidbit on how the cataclysm physically affected the land

[subtle heron]

The trailer even purposely makes the parallel between the two. There’s no doubt there

[keen shore]

I keep seeing mentioned of someone named Ash giving out lore hints. Can someone explain, and list what they’ve given so far? I want to try to decipher it

[keen shore]

Also has someone figured out the exact locations of everything in the trailer, because if not I’ll try to because I can identify several right off the bat. It also helps me a bit in that hypothetical future reconstructed map project because I just realized it implies there’s a massive river delta underneath the birds nest in prairie which is super cool

[hushed steeple]

Heres a bit of compilation. Might be missing things. And uh. Some stuff seems to be sillyness.

And this one

[keen shore]

Man why can’t we just get the spirits’ canon backstories, I doubt it would reveal too much and now I’m REALLY curious

[hushed steeple]

She said yes when I asked if Yeti was a retired axe juggler :]

[keen shore]

That’s actually really cute and I was not expecting that. My goofy personal head canon was that they were weapons and they liked to chase people around with them while laughing maniacally and that’s why they got banished to the cave

Now that I think about it, maybe I was just projecting

[keen shore]

So I was wandering around prairie and I noticed the structures for each of the “floating islands” where the bottom was hidden by clouds, and the supports for the dock in the area below the temple, implies there’s more land beneath them. The cliff with the cave also shows that terrain can reach that height in this world.

Is this meant to imply that most of the land we can see in daylight prairie that we assume are floating islands are the tips of tall mountains?
I took some videos while doing this in hopes I could review the footage later if I had time to do the map

Also I’m curious, what’s everyone’s head canon lore for how the sky world work(ed/s) without any concrete knowledge given to us by the game?

[tulip aspen]

idk kami..

[hushed steeple]

Its totally true >:/

mostly from her talks of dreams spirits triva and that the axes are not used for violence. Plus every dreams spirit being a past talent

:0

[wind sluice]

OK so I asked this in the other channel but it would make more sense here WHAT IS UP with the Valley elders’ arms, and gloating narcissist.. armor? Prosthetic? Why would all of them have it

[tulip aspen]

when was it said the axes weren't used for violence?

[tulip aspen]

did someone delete a message xD

[hushed steeple]

(No look who replied yes to my message :))

[hushed steeple]

Might be sports equipment. Or....If I wanted things to be more interesting than that, the twins lost arms caused an accidental fashion trend.

[wind sluice]

Oh my god that last one wouldn’t be surprising

And yeah I did think of equipment but those arms almost look robotic, and I have seen some people draw them that way

[hushed steeple]

And that both are different between the twins would be odd too. Maybe they based the sports outfit off of twins robo arms. Make them feel better about it

[rapid crane]

does anyone think in the kingdom of sky not only magical, but they were actually very advance in technology (more than us human world ig) like i imagine the skykids casually just swipes on the air and holograms appear (just like how we open menu ingame) thats how they live around casually dang imagine if sky has a sci fi genre in it

[hushed steeple]

I like to imagine eden was futuristic

[frigid tinsel]

there's a theory that Valley twins were a singular entity that split. as a result, they both have one eye and one arm. they have a prosthetic arm on the side where their body split, since it's on the sides that face to the other in their initial cutscene

[hushed steeple]

That idea can even be seem in their alter. How together, it looks like 1 figure.

[frigid tinsel]

in my own headcanon, only their body split but not their mind, which is why they're still referred to in the singular in-game (Elder of the Valley) cos they're technically still one entity, just got two bodies.

[unkempt dawn]

Hey uh quick question, where can I find the names of the elders?

[frigid tinsel]

they're the names used in concept but not canon, though the community still uses them. they're the names of letters in the Hebrew alphabet
Isle elder – Daleth
Prairie elder – Ayin
Forest elder – Teth
Valley elder – Samehk (some refer to as Sah or Sam and as Mehk)
Wasteland elder – Tsadi
Vault elder – Lamed

should note that the name Samehk was used to refer to the twins collectively, again referring to how the Valley elder(s) are regarded as a singular entity

[unkempt dawn]

Cool, thanks so much!!!

[frigid tinsel]

you're welcome 👍

[tulip aspen]

WHOA WHAT

ASHHHHH

[lofty void]

Ash?!???

[keen shore]

Oh, so they’d be conjoined twins that separated? That would be really interesting because it would suggest that either Sky’s medicine was advanced enough pre disaster to successfully perform the surgery to separate them, or some sort of magic was involved. (Either healing magic, or they just kind of separated on their own)

[frigid tinsel]

What did I miss?

[keen shore]

Ash reacted in the positive to a message up above about the Yeti from Season of Dreams being a retired axe juggler. Not a super big tidbit of lore but I take what I can get xD

[frigid tinsel]

Lore crumb

[wind sluice]

Oh that’s why that theory is a thing!!

[keen shore]

Whenever the other people who post in this channel are active I’m always half awake for some reason
Side note i rewatched the switch trailer and the old & updated intros just in case I missed anything and Im somehow more confused than before. I feel like I have more information, but they’re constructed in a way that feels like they would prove pre existing biases rather than actually add new information if that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

Could be conjoined twins. Tho usually conjoined twins are considered two separate entities that whose bodies are connect and may or may not need to be separated. idk how much medicare would be involved given we don’t know the composition of Elders. Are they biological beings? Would they need medicine? Technology or magic? But the Valley twins had a need for prosthetics given it appears they have some, so something of the like was involved. Food for thought.

[keen shore]

You’d think the “all powerful being” (I see it as an older generation child of light speaking based on the pronouns used for everything but everyone else seems to think…differently) could give us a bit more information regarding the ancient civilization whose souls we’re supposed to help move on. I mean, I don’t know what’s going on, my in game avatar who’s actually doing the stuff doesn’t know what’s going on, the spirits refuse to tell me anything, who knows what’s going on here

Sorry if my thoughts are all over the place, like I said before, half awake

[frigid tinsel]

If only skykids weren’t illiterate and could 1) read the ancestors language and 2) access the memory cubes in the Vault

[hushed steeple]

I just kinda think the elders where created. Just as how they are now....but during one creation, an......anomaly happened.

[keen shore]

Man this all powerful being can’t even teach us how to read?!! I didn’t even realize there were bits of written language scattered around, I only saw murals

[frigid tinsel]

Based on the idea that Elders are “fallen stars,” it’s possible the Valley twins were one falling star that upon landing, split

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they tried but after years they realized skykids only have enough love and care for candol.

[keen shore]

Someone make a fanfic where a very frustrated elder/spirit has to teach an extremely hyperactive immortal glowing child made of clay who eats candles how to read

[hushed steeple]

I would read that.

The revelation twist being he eventually rewards them with candles to encourage learning

[frigid tinsel]

In my ficverse, the ancestors had a cultural norm where they don’t talk about the things that bring them shame, hence why no one tells the skykids anything about what happened in the past for why things are as they are now

[hushed steeple]

That....ironically fits our propaganda joke. Shame gets memory holed.

[keen shore]

“Um… so why is everything destroyed?”
Ancestor that definitely had nothing to do whatsoever: “uh… don’t worry about it”

[wind sluice]

Okay so.. theory that the twins were originally conjoined or something of the like.. here’s what I have gathered so far-

1. Their altar statue looks like it has a perfect split down the middle of a full shape
2. The concepts refer to them by one name (that is likely split into parts)
3. They both have one eye and one arm, the other arm appears to be a prosthetic of some sort
4. The way their introduction starts out with Mek standing behind Sah which, I originally just thought was to look cool, but it could be saying something. Of all the ways they could have introduced themselves, they made it look like they were one elder.
   ###- Also this is random but. Conjoined twins are always identical and therefore either both male or both female. So if the concepts of them being brother and sister are true, then yeah I suppose everything- including their separation- is magic related. unless of course… one of them could be trans.. okay I am thinking toooo hard, my apologies.

[frigid tinsel]

It’s Sky lore, thinking too hard is the name of the game

[wind sluice]

Thanks

[keen shore]

From the height charts I’ve seen they also seem to be the shortest and thinnest of the elders, when you compare them to the bulkiness of golden wasteland elder WHOSE NAME I KEEP FORGETTING it’s a stark contrast. Maybe they’re smaller because they were something larger that got separated

[wind sluice]

mitosis

I call wasteland elder Tsadi because it was used in concepts (:

[frigid tinsel]

Valley twins heights mess with me cos it’s either:
a) they’re the same height
b) is slightly shorter than
c) is 1 foot shorter than , which messes with me cos it doesn’t make sense by observation but someone who did the measurements and math says it is so so

[keen shore]

OH YEAH THATS THE NAME
now because of earlier lore crumb I have to check who’s reacting every time. also I wish we would get confirmation when we were right

[wind sluice]

yeah, sometimes I have a love-hate relationship with the lore being mostly up to interpretation 😭

Luckily of all the things we will learn about, I’m sure the elders are the highest possibility

[keen shore]

It’s like getting a crumb of the cake and having to reconstruct exactly what the cake looked like from the crumb and also 200 year old vague line drawings of it

[wind sluice]

we need some detectives 😏

[keen shore]

I’m trying to be one I’m just not very great at it. I have lots of ideas but I can’t tell which are correct which is frustrating

[wind sluice]

Don’t feel bad, this sky lore needs some MAJOR digging 😳

[keen shore]

I literally video recorded myself in every section of prairie earlier today trying to find geographic evidence of what the islands? looked like under the clouds and seeing if the arrangement of floating islands in birds nest was the same as a group of them shown in the switch trailer for a few frames. It’s for an important cause (trying to reconstruct appearance pre disaster and relationship to human world) but MAN I felt like the epitome of grasping at straws doing it.
The footage is literally just me going as far down on the islands as I could before the clouds covered it and seeing if I could tell anything about the land masses from what was given

[wind sluice]

Oh my GOD you are amazing

[hushed steeple]

Bro

Most of the time I just look at little unanswered details and go “yeah theres prolly no explanation for that -shrug-“

[keen shore]

I imagine someone hacking into my tablet or something and watching the videos and just being confused out of their mind. My main nemesis right now is literally just clouds. How do I explain that to any sane person?

[wind sluice]

Samehk pre-mitosis

[keen shore]

They were forced to separate to get rid of that hairdo

[frigid tinsel]

“Your hair is awful. Get rid of it.”
Samehk: I would rather be cut in half.

The rest is history

[wind sluice]

I SWEAR 😭😭😭

[keen shore]

The separation caused such a powerful burst of energy that it killed everything within a massive radius, and that’s the story of how someone’s awful haircut ended the world as we knew it

[lofty void]

aren’t they canonically twins though

[keen shore]

I believe so but when weird magic shenanigans are involved, you can look at one being that got separated into two, and all the people begging for lore asking if they’re twins, and be like, “yeah, close enough, I guess”

[ember elbow]

the ultimate highfive is what ended the world tho. and blasted their arms off /hj

[keen shore]

Slight modification to this series of events: they got separated and immediately high-fived and that’s what killed everyone

[frigid tinsel]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[ember elbow]

YES ALASDAIR THANK YOU

[wind sluice]

OH MY GOD I DIDNT EXPECT THAT

[keen shore]

High-five friendship emotes are equivalent to nuclear weapons in Sky. Every spirit offering a variation of them to level up your friendship tree is a either an arms dealer or was instantly obliterated and has no idea of their true power. To this day, if you perform a high five in front of an ancestor or elder, they start crying as it forces them to relive memories of the disaster

[ember elbow]

im...

also asking this to be added to the sacred highfive canon

[tulip aspen]

with my headcanon about player projection, id like to think this chat is pseudo-canon in-game for our skids and lorechat is a sort of town hall where our Skykids are unironically sitting at a table and each putting in our 2 cents, trying to understand the past

[wind sluice]

Could be 🌺magical conjoined twins🌺

[lofty void]

The twins caused the destruction of the kingdom, not the King. Who would’ve thunk it

[keen shore]

If this turned out to be canon somehow I would not be surprised, especially with the implication that they did it by pure accident while doi something ridiculous

[tulip aspen]

based off the new evidence the stars falling references the apocalypse for some reason

[ember elbow]

"what the heck are you?"
"idk. what the heck are you?"

[lofty void]

The twins:

[keen shore]

I headcanoned that falling stars were the spirits (who are the souls of stars that fall every once in a while to experience a normal human life but got trapped and need your help to return to the sky) and them being stars in a constellation was just super literal, with seasonal constellations being ones that are only visible at a certain time of year. Hence why they live up high from the ground where they can see the sky, are sent “skyward” by the elders, and how they “connect the realms”
It’s probably not canon but it’s a really cute idea

[ember elbow]

it is so cute 🥺 kinda explains travelling sprits too. sometimes one is extra bright and youll notice it more from one year to the next, and the less further on.

Part of me wants to scream "COMETS!!" ;3; but those are not stars at all. i just love outer space

[frigid tinsel]

legit in my ficverse, lore chat is the rumor mill

[wind sluice]

AH WRONG ORDER SORRY
Samehk lore

[lofty void]

valley twin in anaphase

[keen shore]

I would start crying if I opened a biology textbook and the valley twins were demonstrating the phases of mitosis

[wind sluice]

PLS FWIDJDJ 😭 also sending it frame by frame wasn’t the best idea so have this

[ember elbow]

wait! are you implying they split only to highfive immediately after?? my god the twins insta nuked us

[keen shore]

They were just that mad about their haircut being insulted

[wind sluice]

All according to plan

[ember elbow]

you mean.. kekaku?

[lofty void]

i made a mistake i meant telephase, my bad 💀

[ember elbow]

so did the twins 🤔

[wind sluice]

Like I remember anything about mitosis other than in pictures 😭

[frigid tinsel]

if i were to explain lore chat memes to an outsider, i could not

[wind sluice]

Dude not to let my nerd show but I wonder if there are any microorganisms in sky world

(Haha you walk on the ground and suddenly cape is charged caus of a glowing amoeba)

[lofty void]

just remember this pneumonic(???)
I (interphase)
Purchase (prophase)
Parrots (prometaphase)
Mats (metaphase)
And (anaphase)
Thin (telephase)
Cats (cytokinesis)

[wind sluice]

I am proud to have contributed to this

[keen shore]

I want a biology season in sky so bad where you see all the different creatures including BUGS

[wind sluice]

OH MY GOD ME TOO AHHHH

[lofty void]

BUGS!!!

[wind sluice]

reject manta, return to light-aphids

[keen shore]

We know spiders exist because of earth prophets mask so we’re really just getting stiffed at this point

[frigid tinsel]

Eden explosion was a great extinction event, unfortunately

[lofty void]

Turtles, lions, and bats exist as well! But yeah

[wind sluice]

my heart is extinct now thanks for the reminder 🥰

[lofty void]

they all got wiped off the face of the kingdom like how you wipe off whiteboard marker from a whiteboard and man does that hurt

[keen shore]

Why am I equally sad about the world of Sky’s bug populations getting wiped out as I am about all the dead people

[wind sluice]

because bugs are the freaking things ever

[lofty void]

At least we should be thankful that there was a major extinction event because some of the creatures in the concept art are horrifying

[wind sluice]

the crab with an unusual amount of human arms and legs 🥴🥴🥴

[keen shore]

I need to sleep now as it is very late where I am, I will dream of bugs

[wind sluice]

aww, yes sneep

[lofty void]

They’re so freaking scary that they could be added into Subnautica as leviathan class predators and we wouldn’t even be able to prove otherwise

[wind sluice]

🦟🦗🦟🦗🦟🦗🦟🦗 checking the forbidden chat

[frigid tinsel]

i mean we already have moths

[sharp lichen]

the what chat?

[wind sluice]

No no, old krill design is worse than anything that they could put into this game in the future

It was too scary ^ I doubt they would go in that territory

[hushed steeple]

Nothing with teeth ever again please

[wind sluice]

exactly

[frigid tinsel]

this is why skykids don't have mouths

[ember elbow]

is krill with lips better?

[ember elbow]

why--

why does it look so depressed?

[wind sluice]

it has nobody to kiss

[ember elbow]

[frigid tinsel]

do you think Megabird stays in Orbit cos she's afraid of what she's created?

[ember elbow]

us?

yes

[tulip aspen]

megabird made dinosaurs?

[ember elbow]

i thought the og quote was from spy kids 2

[sharp lichen]

Of course, did you really doubt that she respected our culture

[icy spruce]

where are my 3675 hearts

[frigid tinsel]

Did the price just double?

[tulip aspen]

xD OMG IT IS

what a trip 🤣

[lofty void]

megabird IS afraid of what she’s created have you even seen the concept art monsters /hj

[icy spruce]

no, Baudshaw did smthn that made me add 2005

[hollow knot]

since mega bird is the topic anyone have the picture of IT in orbit

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird

[hollow knot]

first time i’ve seen this

is that sky clouds or clouds in the sky

[frigid tinsel]

that's the image of Megabird after the end credits while descending from Orbit

[hollow knot]

right

this oob is rather interesting , why is it so purple

[oblique oasis]

I'd play the heck outta a post-apocalyptic sci-fi fantasy MMORPG. Prolly why i like sky sm lol

[oblique oasis]

In Sky the gendered are a minority group, I'm pretty sure the only elders with genders are Daleth and Ayin (going off pronouns that the devs allegedly use) therefore Sahmek are one gender - no gender.

[frigid tinsel]

actually everyone in Sky is agender. devs have said that there's no gender in Sky

[oblique oasis]

That's a royal jester right there.

Alagadda flashbacks

We always be talking bout Royal and Megan and krills and darkness, but the little details matter too.

What is that ting ting sound that we make when we hit something mid-flight?

[oblique oasis]

Oh God no not the old krill
Remember when they were goo and crawled over stuff, and if you get to close they bite you?

[oblique oasis]

Sky kids 2

[oblique oasis]

Love the cap-lock here lol

WHO GAVE A KRILL ACCESS TO OUR MESS HALL

[topaz steppe]

Hey, I know this is out of context, but I would like more peoples opinions. Do ya'll think rythm guide and flight guide are related?

[oblique oasis]

Yes !!!

• similar height
• similar hair
• similar occupation
• similar general vibe

Also, Rhythm prolly related to Forest camp kids, judging by the mask

[topaz steppe]

I also think that lightseeker spirits may also be related to the assembly spirits

[oblique oasis]

Reverse color scheme, eh?

[topaz steppe]

The patterns are similar on masks

[oblique oasis]

Facts

[topaz steppe]

And I start to think that oringe patterns are for spirits from a more younger generation, as they seem sorter than blue patterned mask spirits

But I have no idea what the animal mask spirits would be, I have no idea what it could represent

Maybe furrys or something/j

[oblique oasis]

Ash did say they represent the spirits occupation

[topaz steppe]

Ooo I never seen that message nice to know

[oblique oasis]

If we start with the gratitude ones, many of which are specific mythical animals, we get a pretty good picture.

The seasonal spirits are also culture-coded, for example the lightseeker ones had Asian-looking cosmetics.

[topaz steppe]

I see

[oblique oasis]

Dreams seems fairly western, so those animal masks should be interpreted from a western viewpoint

What do rabbits mean to the West? They're fast. A postman had to be fast, ergo the postman is a rabbit

Gratitude was Indian coded, I believe, given the Garuda mask and yoga guru

What do deers, crabs, and bulls mean to Indian culture? That's what the masks mean, and so links to the spirits' occupations

Going offline, ping me! Bye

[topaz steppe]

Oh, yeah, thanks for the talk

[hollow knot]

our minds rattling from the unique sound it makes , also happy new sky day

[tulip aspen]

occupation?

[harsh pecan]

Wait one of the masks was a crab mask?

[oblique oasis]

Think so

Guide for a bird themed season

[sly lake]

I suppose the connection of animal masks = the spirits occupation could be the reason why there were no bird masks in Season of Flight, despite being a season related to flying. We've only seen bird masks on theater, dancing, entertainment and performing related spirits. None of which quite fit the Flight spirits.

I'm not sure what occupation a crab mask would be..although being the first season, Gratitude didn't have much lore behind it shown to us. So it is a little hard for us to decipher, compared to the current seasons. It would be cool if one day Gratitude, Lightseekers, and Rhythm spirits got some cutscenes added to the end of their memory quests, like our current spirits have.

What is a common thread between the Prophecy masks? Do Spider, Anubis/Wolf, Lion, and Snapping turtle/Dragon have a theme in common that you all can think of?

[tulip aspen]

pretty sure those ones just represent the roughness of the earthen elements, expressed through the nature of different animals

that's what we came up with last time that question came up in conversation, but perhaps there's a deeper metaphor to be had here

[livid pelican]

All are feared?

[compact shale]

Fear the goat /j

[rain lance]

I think I told mask theory somewhere before

mask shows an occupation or caste where spirit in. In tribal society people could wear masks with different patterns, where each pattern could represent a job, wealth and status of a person (aka different patterns for hunters, farmers and shamans).

adding up to mask discussion:
Belonging family must be wealthy they have jewel pendants on a forehead

White masks with blue markings of light seekers could represent belonging to the same tribe or worshiping the same god (I'll speculate that they worshiping light)

Black masks with orange markings represent belonging to forest tribe

And Rhythm crew are just travelling performers

maybe...and default masks of regular spirits are masks of "Elder worshipers"
(If we assume that "Elders are gods" theory is true)

Not sure about Gratitude spirits though

[tulip aspen]

Belonging family must be wealthy
what if they were royals, lords or something?? :0
_
_
Elders were definitely deities of some kind, because in the introduction to the game the voice says their main purpose is to ascend spirits, which means they were sent by the Light in the Sky for that very goal. (There is a big theme of building the kingdom bigger vs. worshipping the Light)
In old concept art they were just ancestors that ruled over the lands, but clearly they now have special otherworldly powers, and don't even look to have similar anatomy as ancestors

And yeah the main group of base-game spirits seems to have a special connection/message related to the realm and the elder, either for worshipping the Light.. or not doing so enough? (Or maybe they got trapped here in the kingdom just by bad luck)

[rain lance]

could be

[rain lance]

or they could belong to jevelers dynasty

[tulip aspen]

definitely some noble sort of ancestry

[compact shale]

Is there a Belonging Family mansion or something /hj

[harsh pecan]

Id love to visit their mansion (if they have one)

[harsh pecan]

Cool analysis

[tulip aspen]

hmm, well they are traveling everywhere around the world, all split up too

feels like they almost are trying to get away from something, whether being around all of each other, or a heritage and place they once were (or both)

[compact shale]

The ones with elder masks could be priests/devotees or maybe some kind of servant serving as the communication bridge between elders and civilian ancestors (there's a word for this but I forgor) because they do have their own civilian jobs too as far as I know (who has elder masks again???)

[rain lance]

I didn't meant elder masks, I meant spirits wearing default masks (that looks like a mask player starts with) are majority and all of them are stars in elder constellations (so I speculate all of them worship Elder from their realm)

[harsh pecan]

The Lumberjack from Forest has an Elder mask I think

[rain lance]

yup.looks similar. Forest elder might be a godness of crafting

and isle elder holding a shepherd staff and somehow associated with boats and transportation, so may be god of traveling or ship sailing

[covert sapphire]

Lions are mythologically related to fire I think but I forgot how
Dragons in Chinese/Japanese (?) mythology bring rain

Not sure about the rest

[rain lance]

with wasteland and valut elders it seems obviousl: god of war and god(goodness?) of knowledge

but can't exactly say gods of what are valley twins. But they kinda remind me of another mythological twins : Arthemis and Apollo. So they might or might not have similar occupation

[harsh pecan]

Theyre probably the god of something related to sports and victory idk

[tulip aspen]

yes, we mean the masks on some of the base spirits that look like the masks the elder's wear

[rain lance]

may be a case

but god of what is prairie Elder is?

[harsh pecan]

Hmmm

[oblique oasis]

Demeter?
To tired to explain rn but she's basically Greek goddess of agriculture

[rain lance]

yup. May be god of nature

[oblique oasis]

About the prophecy masks, turtles take deep breaths to expand their lungs and hold their breath for longer and like the other kind person said dragons bring rain.

Tarantulas brush off spikey hairs as weapons in self defence and live on/in the ground

Bats hang upside-down, aerial connection is self-explanatory

And lions live in prides, hence the proud chest pound. I don't know much about mythological lions though.

Anyway, ping me! Happy New Year's Eve!

[wind sluice]

Late response but YES yes I know, I forgot to include that sorry 😩

[wind sluice]

Also this- so apparently, they used that gentle sound instead of a THUMP, because in most games, hearing that would make you feel like you messed up or hurt your character.

[compact shale]

Where'd you find that info?

[wind sluice]

Somewhere in the pins.

[compact shale]

Where exactly?

[boreal nebula]

I finally figured what the 3rd symbol in Assembly map represent, a tent.
It seems kind of obvious since it could be the only distinctive trait of the 3rd Outpost

1st is a catwalk/bridge
2nd is the rainbow/eye (from the jars)
3rd is the tent

Side theory, without much correlation, it's about the 4th symbol, which to me could either represent a gazebo (strange, since there are stone gazebo everywhere) or a fireplace from Granma's dinner table (thus could mark that spot in the Forest)

[boreal nebula]

Nice. I didn't know about dragons&rain or tarantula&earth

The 4th symbol is better seen here

[frigid lynx]

Maybe it has a slight connection to lion dogs that protect the houses and generally act like guardians?

[wind sluice]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1_kwsY6AA7WIMiqHwe_TquLG4eQ5PCJAUHQnhL7Wi_KY/mobilebasic

This here, which is pinned with a message in this channel

[compact shale]

Awwwh, that's nice. When will we find a dev who knows what we're made of?

ASH?! HAVE YOU ASKED?!

[hushed steeple]

DID THEY PUT IT BACK?!

[wind sluice]

huh??

[compact shale]

*looks wistfully
Ah... When will we find a Developer who knows what we're made of...?

[wind sluice]

Ohhhhh.. who is Reika? I need that answer 😭

[compact shale]

Reika is a 3D artist TGC staff who rarely provides lore snippets and makes krill inside jokes!

[wind sluice]

oh 😭 mannnnn.. what are we MADE of

[compact shale]

This is a summary of the commonly accepted beliefs on it, but the truth is it's just a theory and as far as I know we haven't gotten any dev clues about it.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wind sluice]

Ahh, I also like the theory that they have wax in them as well for forging the candle tributes. I dunno about them being made of wax though, that would be sort of strange

I did write some theory that they don’t have a pocket dimension but rather the candles become non-tangible once they are finished being forged

[compact shale]

I mean, even if we have earthen shells, we have to be somewhat flexible somehow, my headcanon is that the light inside us heats up parts of us and softens and molds the shell as needed so that we can move our limbs and stuff, it's magic so the light can do this stuff on a dime :D

Sjshehwjdj

[wind sluice]

yeah! That’s why the theory of their shells being made of wax exists. But it would be weird for them to be wax bc they would literally be candles

[compact shale]

Elders have their own weird anatomy theory too
In Tom Zhao's concept notes it says that the material references of the elders and/or ancestors are charcoal and jade, and some took that literally

The problem with elders literally made of charcoal is that Forest Elder probably definitely should've gone at some point for recklessly yoinking out our fire offerings

[wind sluice]

yeah theres no way they are true charcoal… the fact that most creatures rely on light, as in literal fire, how would that make sense

Unless of course, magic

Which you could say to everything

[keen shore]

All the major discussions always seem to happen when I’m asleep :(. Skykids have a breathing animation and a heartbeat sound, does anyone have theories on how that connects to them being clay shells filled with light? My head canon is that they don’t really need to breathe but saw living beings doing it and imitated them, but idk about the heartbeat part

[wind sluice]

People believe that their candles are basically their hearts.
And they likely have to breathe to feed their flame oxygen

Not sure why their candle ‘hearts’ would beat though, I assume it isn’t circulating anything through their bodies because that wouldn’t really be necessary

[compact shale]

Yeah, pretty sure the candle is pulsating for... Reasons

Also WHAT FRICKING BREATHING ANIMATION? (YES I KNOW THE DEEP BREATHE EMOTE EXISTS BUT THAT COULD JUST BE IMITATION)

[wind sluice]

if you lay down you can kind of see it, and when you stand still you move up and down like you are breathing too

[keen shore]

Of course there’s the explanation that the heart is an in game thing and not actually canon but it doesn’t add too much in the game so this idea doesn’t hold much weight

[compact shale]

Send video help

[wind sluice]

lemme try-

Okay so.. uhh it’s hard to see, but some people say this shows breathing although it also looks like an idle animation that just stays there even while laying down. You tell me lol
(No my location has nothing to do with the video but I don’t wanna leave for a while bc it was so hard to get there)

[compact shale]

I... I don't have my glasses on. It doesn't look like anything's happening there, just a smol moth on the floor, tis all I see...

[wind sluice]

yeah, you only really notice whenever you speed up the clip. But still it looks more like idle animation. But I still believe they need to breathe because they have oxygen flames inside.

[compact shale]

Don't you think enough oxygen flows through their chest hole?

(wait, maybe that's why the candle pulsates...)

[wind sluice]

ahhh.. well maybe they just have to breathe through it

[compact shale]

Through the what?

[wind sluice]

the core/chest hole

[compact shale]

Probably. Seems kinda cumbersome to have to do that , but alright.

[wind sluice]

yeah, I dunno 😭

[frigid tinsel]

Breathing skykids, now that’s a thought

[compact shale]

Would you like a CPR to go with that?

[harsh remnant]

Hello Lore chat Anyone got any info regarding the light from USHERING STARGAZER’s cutscene?

[frigid tinsel]

What light?

[harsh remnant]

the LIGHT. uhhh. iirc, in their cutscene, a light fell from the sky and they ushered another spirit to see what was going on. I’m wondering what the light was.

[static meteor]

it was a skykid, no?

[harsh remnant]

I thought skykid didn’t exist back then

[boreal nebula]

Going forward in her memory we see a sky kid on the ground.. it's safe to assume she witnessed the fall of a skykid like us

Maybe the first one (and maybe the Chosen One/Prince too)

[static meteor]

yeah i'm a little confused about all that myself?

[harsh remnant]

The Chosen One/Prince is a skykid?

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, that’s generally accepted. The one shown completing the trials on the murals of the Caves of Prophecies is depicted as a skykid, same as in the introduction cave

[boreal nebula]

Some think they can see the Ushering Spirit in a Prophecy mural (next to either the Nono Spirit or anyone wearing similar boat/horn mask ♉ )

[boreal nebula]

Could be.. after all we only have theories

[wind sluice]

Well we see a skykid in the spirit memory, he seems to be the first one. Isle elder raised him I think, and you can see all of those spirits with him in the prophecy murals. He is pretty much crowned after completing the trials, and that is why he is likely the prince

[boreal nebula]

Side note, a prove that that ♉ spirit is NOT the Nono Spirit is that he doesn't wear a pot and than once you ascended both Ushering Stargazer and Nono Spirits in her memory only she turns golden!

Got a clean shot about the symbol on our back from a capeless moth which I couldn't help in the end

[frigid tinsel]

It’s also on their front. Hold on, lemme dig up pics
Edit: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

We have confirmed that animal masks relate to the spirits role when they where alive. I think its the same for groups of spirits. Belonging all has gold diamonds embedded into their masks, to show they belong to that family. Its why we think assembly kids are related to lightseekers. With the idea the mask relates to their role in life, well I still can’t explain normal masks, but maybe maskless represents monks? I know some of the whisperers are maskless? Rejecting social roles or something (but I bet its not actually that deep).

[frigid tinsel]

Masks in general seem to be part of the ancestors’ culture, though why we don’t know.

[keen shore]

So an explanation for this is that we are by far not the first skykids to exist. Former generations of them existed in the past, if you watch the switch trailer the two beings in the. SEEM to be similar to us (although that could just be how spirits looked back then)

My head canon is that cotl took the place of “normal” humans and lived on the ground below the spirit world, occasionally traveling to and living with them in cities located in between spaces like the valley of triumph, with the spirits being separate beings entirely (the souls of stars as I mentioned earlier). It would explain why certain beings exist in spirit memories but are not spirits, with the most famous example being the skater girl from Season of Dreams, but also the Tearful Light Miner’s companions, etc. it’s by no means confirmed but that’s how I see the game’s lore at least

[hushed steeple]

I still think the fallenstarchild is the mural victor. A very special skykid, before the time of skykids.

[keen shore]

Yeah I thought so too! In the prophecy cave, right? The symbol used for the victor looks really similar to the one used to depict us.

I’d love confirmation on how much of my head canon is true but let’s be real that’s not going to happen

[fierce vector]

Mural victor?, huh woaaaah

[wind sluice]

Which is exactly why people believe we are in some way related to or reincarnations of the King (that skykid). A lot of our symbols look like his headpiece and imagery found throughout the kingdom. It’s like we are making up for whatever happened back then by returning light

I can’t imagine he is no longer a big part of the story. I forgot who made the image so please tell me if you know!!!

There is also this screenshot of the elders with him. Some people think Tsadi (wasteland elder) is attacking him, but it is possible he is protecting him?? Once again I do not know the source of this photo

It is a removed mural ^

[compact shale]

That's a glitch. That mural isn't supposed to be in Sanctuary...

[wind sluice]

I know, that’s why it isn’t there anymore. But I still take it as a crumb just in case

[compact shale]

It's a piece of a mural. Not sure where its proper place is. Mural wisdom, please?

[wind sluice]

The thing is, it doesn’t appear in any existing murals… the screenshot was hard to find lol

Maybe it will appear in-game in the future, I don’t assume they would change the story

[frigid tinsel]

iirc that screenshot was taken pre-Season of Prophecy, while the devs were still working on it, and placed a bit of the mural of the Cave in Sanctuary as storage. it wasn't suppose to show up here. it's just legit a glitch.

[compact shale]

So where is it in the Prophecy mural?

[wind sluice]

I know it isn’t meant to be there and all, but I am just focusing on the fact that that mural existed in the first place, because it never showed up anywhere else, and it shows something interesting

[frigid tinsel]

i can't send pics rn but it's part of the mural of the Chosen One over Eden

[wind sluice]

It’s not even in the prophecy murals (i think)

[wind sluice]

But it doesn’t have the other elders right? That part isn’t there

[frigid tinsel]

that's why i'm saying it's parts of the larger mural, not it's own thing

[compact shale]

AGH, darn it

[wind sluice]

hmm, yeah

That makes sense anyway, it doesn’t line up with the likely story. Unfortunately the only people I saw mention the glitch were saying that the placement of the elders was on purpose and meant something, so that’s why I assumed so as well. Forget that second photo, but the first one I sent is useful to me and whoever made it, thank you so much-

[frigid tinsel]

Kamilico made it

[wind sluice]

Thanks! And thanks to them as well

[sly lake]

Yeah, that piece of mural in Sanctuary is a small piece of the central mural in Prophecy caves. The larger mural depicts all the elders as heads of their own lands, with the Prince at the top.

[wind sluice]

very strange that they happened to glitch in with that placement lol

(I am not saying it means something)

[keen shore]

I remember finding that mural by accident before it got removed and being very confused, but because of the angle, you could only see the king. So I was messing around with jellyfish and randomly saw what looked like a mural of myself dead

[wind sluice]

That is horrifying

[tulip aspen]

pretty sure when the concepts said that that was back when they were going to be intended as just leader ancestors rather than deities

[wind sluice]

It is difficult to pinpoint which parts of the concepts could still remain because of all the different times different art came from ):

[tulip aspen]

the heartbeat is their Light pulsating, and the breathing sounds is the Light pushing and pulling air through the orifices in the shell
"like a flute" as the dev writing above said

[wind sluice]

That is so cute I can’t deny it. And like I said before the air is probably to feed their flame oxygen since fire needs oxygen to burn (,:

Although it is often agreed that you collect wax from candles, it is also nice to consider that it might just be fire balls as it seems and that’s why we ‘eat’ it at the dinner table with gramma spirit.

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh good point

ngl with all these points i can understand fitting the need to breathe argument into the clayshell theory without heavy confliction

[wind sluice]

I still feel like they ‘breathe’ just… because. Maybe they can ‘hold their breath’ due to the ability to breathe, to protect the flame in some types of water?

[keen shore]

Yeah it makes sense now. Thanks for the explanation guys 🙂

[tulip aspen]

you must not have played through stargazer's memory in a looong time lolol, they heavily changed what happens in it in an update during prophecy

i recommend you play it yourself, but im guessing everyone here spoiled it for u huh lol

[tulip aspen]

possibly

[wind sluice]

I wonder if the heartbeat is louder while holding hands because adding another light makes it stronger, like how we charge each other with holding hands..

[tulip aspen]

kamilico made that!!

[wind sluice]

Looks just like one, plus he was praised and surprised the spirits lol. And the stuff I said abt the skykids having the king’s symbol. Arggh

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale
they've broken me then lolol: new logical headcanon

if we ever fully submerged in water, the light would create a shield protecting the candle Light, but it doesn't last very long and immediately after the flame burns out and we immediately start taking damage

[wind sluice]

Wait a minute… do the isle of dawn spirits have diamonds on their clothing?

I suppose that diamond shape was already important to them before the king’s legacy.

Maybe he just brought on the craze with that star shape

[tulip aspen]

actually no sorry, i should reexplain

the term Skykid only refers to the special new generation of Children of Light (CotL) that were sent by the Light in the Sky to collect WL and save spirits from damnation (so skykids are us, the players)

the one that fell in stargazer's memory is a child of the light, but not a skykid

(CotL anatomy)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed steeple]

Could be the first skykid

Prince being the first skykid, kind of explains a lot.

[frigid tinsel]

Sure looks like a skykid

[tulip aspen]

that doesn't fully prove it imo

can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the slouching soldier's memory, didn't the other spirits in it not wear their items on their back like expected?

[boreal nebula]

Maybe since Slouch is in the not fully canon season... But in all others cases we see the correspondence in ascensions, like in Spectator and Fox mask

[tulip aspen]

I'm not so sure

the whole point (that I've viewed) about Skykids is that they were sent to save the spirits after everything happened, and that they can fly

if the Chosen One was Sent by the Sky and didn't just fall down, then they didn't really help or do anything, did they?
in fact, if they are the king/prince, that means they only plunged the kingdom further into human greed and technology

then again the elders didn't fully do the intended job the Sky had for them either...

[hushed steeple]

Ah the definition of skykid a bit different. I mean that skykids prolly got (some of) their physical attributes from him. Yeah they don’t have the same reason for creation or cause. I just think hes the reason they are perma kids

[tulip aspen]

perma kids?

[frigid tinsel]

Chosen One could've been a prototype skykid. after them, Megabird could've made some adjustments to the model which is now this generation of descendants/skykids (hence the name "descendants")

[tulip aspen]

hmm ig

[frigid tinsel]

on that note, Chosen One may have had a different purpose than current gen skykids.

[tulip aspen]

"OKAY ANCESTORS LISTEN UP
IM MAKING SOMEONE TO SAVE YOU IDIOTS FROM THESE WARS AND CRAB YOU KEEP DOING"

"you are??"

"YEAH, JUST SENT A PROTOTYPE JUST TO TEST OUT HOW IT WOULD WORK AND- oh my me they're worshipping the prototype what the eden"

[frigid tinsel]

legit made me laugh out loud and scared my bunny oml

[tulip aspen]

i just like keeping the terminology as "ancient CotL" vs "Skykid (descendent)" because the chosen one and other child ancestors prolly werent able to to fly, and maybe not even have as much light as we do

[frigid tinsel]

"you could make a religion out of that."

i think "ancestors" is a better term since it's one used in-game and does refer to... well the one species of humanoid beings that were present in the past besides the elders, who are also distinct. especially since "Children of the Light" refers to all beings of Sky so "ancient Children of the Light" is confusing to me.

when it comes to the matters of skykids, "descendants" bests represents the current gen of skykids wandering the world even if "skykids" itself does lump in Chosen One. but when most people say "skykids" they do mean the current gen of descendants.

[tulip aspen]

CotL refers to them before and as they fall
we cant prove the chosen one immediately gained a shell unfortunately, as it shows them lacking detail in stargazer's memory, plus we dont know they're fully an ancestor and even if they are calling them one may be confusing to other people who dont understand

but you are right, ancient CotL is an ugly mouthful

ill think about a better term for it

[tulip aspen]

fr tho if it's true the chosen one wasn't meant for anything special except the Sky making sure they can create younger children forms

especially if the chosen one really did become the king/prince

that sucks for the poor chosen one

[hushed steeple]

Oop, yeah I meant perma kid as in permanently a child

[tulip aspen]

o
why skykids are permanently children?

[compact shale]

Because children are small and compact and feel no remorse for Bonking on walls or committing arson? /j

[hushed steeple]

Thats what I mean. I think skykids are permanently children because they ‘inherited’ it from an elder who was permanently a child.

[frigid tinsel]

or are skykids permanently children because children are gullible, eager to please their parents, easy to manipulate into obedience?

[shut trellis]

both could do

[oblique oasis]

Ah, that makes sense, given that we can't physically get hurt lol

[tulip aspen]

that'd be an interesting Theory for sure

I personally don't like the theme of it but it's certainly possible

also I really don't think sky kids are permanently children

[oblique oasis]

Guys, so we know that skids are illiterate, but what if there's like an ancient Egypt thing going on, where only certain people can read and write? That would explain the amount of murals and lack of writing anywhere that isn't vault

[hushed steeple]

If we know skykids are illiterate because they can’t read the hyroglyphs, does that technically mean we are also illiterate?

In sky

[compact shale]

Am dum *le bonk :p

[keen shore]

Until we learn how to translate the writing (if it’s possible…) yes. It would be really funny if it was and one player super into linguistics did it for fun

[compact shale]

Awh man...

ASH BLESS US WITH THE GIFT OF LITERACY!

[keen shore]

With the whole writing thing, I don’t think this civilization revolves around the written word as we traditionally think of it, given that we know the “books” look like tiny lanterns (except for timid bookworms memory though the whole season of sanctuary is questionable canon wise)
Maybe they had a Morse code type thing where the pattern of flashing lights meant something, it’s a memory projection device that when active projects something similar to spirit memories, etc. it’s possible they have the written word as well adding on to this but it fell out of use because it wasn’t as convenient.

I had this headcanon that their spoken word sounded a lot like humming song which would explain why you can always hear people singing but not the actual words to it but that’s just me

[oblique oasis]

The prophecy symbol is literally the prince's mask

[compact shale]

Aren't there runes somewhere?

[oblique oasis]

Can someone please make a list of what/where these are/were? Sorry if this is too much to ask, but any input at all is appreciated.

[wind sluice]

I can try to list some

[oblique oasis]

If he's protecting, shouldn't he be facing away from? And why are all the other elders watching?

[wind sluice]

Actually I am not up for listing them, but if you wanna visit king stuff, golden wasteland has a ton

[oblique oasis]

So is it somewhere in prophecy cave?

Also this basically proves that prophecy was about the royal

[wind sluice]

We agreed that it was a glitch and doesn’t mean anything, cause pieces of that mural are in the prophecy cave. And yes prophecy was about the king

You cannot see that mural anymore, it was in the sanctuary islands while prophecy was still in the works /:

[frigid tinsel]

tbf we don't know for sure if Chosen One became king. devs hinted that there is a king (and prince) somewhere, but rn it's Chosen One ≈ king/prince/royal

[wind sluice]

yeah it just matches up. Who else would it be? The game seems centered around this royal figure and I don’t know why the chosen one would be so important if they were not the prince/king/royal

[frigid tinsel]

using the ≈ sign to mean "probably, possibly"

[wind sluice]

Also sorry this is unrelated, but using the level 3 and 4 flex emote makes a very strange sound when the skykid hits their chest. Feels like solid proof that they are hollow earthen shells haha

[compact shale]

Hollow, only filled with light which is not matter but energy

Also what sound does it make I mean do you have a video

[keen shore]

Wait, where are they? Keep hearing about but have never seen them

[compact shale]

Just one of them
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

Is there any other known locations? If not I can log on and try to poke around probable locations (isle of dawn, insides of temples, entirety of vault)

[compact shale]

Hm. There are...

Hey now! There's actually documents about this!
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[thin dirge]

I mean... Prince in the concept art is probably supposed to be a Sky Kid as well, just with a shiny star mask that differentiates them from the rest.

I mean, they fly exactly like sky kids do in one of the concepts for Ascent to Orbit and is shown to be the same size as a sky kid...

[keen shore]

Okay so my brain hurts but has it been confirmed that this is a language that can actually be deciphered? Like it isn’t just gibberish?
Because if not there’s a very real possibility they made a font out of random symbols and just buttonmashed which… I can’t say I would not have done this in that situation lol

[compact shale]

ASH GIVE US THE GIFT OF LITERACY PLEASE AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

[keen shore]

I wonder how long this civilization has been creating cotl. People seem to assume the prince is the first but I’m not completely sure that’s the case
Also (not part of reply) if it is decipherable I have a few ideas I can try, with the assumption that they’ve made this as simple for themselves as possible and the letters are either similar to Egyptian hieroglyphs or just redrawn versions of Latin letters. Did they create an entire conlang just for these few parts? Maybe, but probably not

It would be very funny if they were decipherable but the text said useless nonsense like “CATS ARE COOL”

[compact shale]

Creating cotl? How?

[keen shore]

Well they seem to be artificial, I mean they seem to be a hard shell containing energy. They’re not a biological creature that evolved is what I’m saying. So someone probably had to make them… somehow

[compact shale]

True, though what makes you think it's the ancestors specifically who created them?

[thin dirge]

In the concepts, it was kinda the god of Sky who created Sky kids

Kinda like every living being in Sky as well

[keen shore]

I assumed it was the elders for some reason, now I can’t remember why I thought this. Considering they have to fall from the sky it is probably a god of some sort

[compact shale]

Yeah Megabird... Not sure if it has personality or not

[oblique oasis]

Yes please, thank you!

[oblique oasis]

Yeah, whoops lol

[wind sluice]

Yeah sure lemme send u one!

(Volume up)

Adorable 😭

[frigid tinsel]

Isn’t that a spot with echo?

[wind sluice]

yes, just to enhance the sound. I can send one without echo, it is pretty much the same

Here. Same type of sounds, just quieter

[tulip aspen]

imo skids don't logically have to be illiterate

maybe they were when they first fall, but we are pretty intelligent still despite all our wackiness and habits

.
also that's a great point!
maybe only higher roles could read and write!!

[tulip aspen]

i mean
we are Skykids lol

[tulip aspen]

CotL fall from the Sky, and the reason why is unknown

Skykid anatomy doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are ilierate cos no one taught them to read or write

[wind sluice]

they have no need to read

[compact shale]

If we could read we would know too much too early... Maybe

[tulip aspen]

we already translated the writing on some of the concepts

[keen shore]

you can’t just say that and not send a link to the translated version!!

[tulip aspen]

i don't recall where it is lol

fruityyyy

[keen shore]

It was all a dream… nothing was ever translated

[tulip aspen]

legit we just need one of the archivists to speak up lol, cos i dont pull links and images out of my butt like everyone can here

it showed all of the different roles in the hierarchy standing in a line with symbols under them formatted in English shapings

someone guessed which shapings meant what English letters until each word made sense: "labor, warrior" ect

[keen shore]

I’ve been here for only a couple of days so I don’t know anything about what’s been solved / discovered already, just putting this out there because it’s sort of related to this conversation
I am very much grateful for all of the help and patience because this games lore is BUGGING me and I want to know it so bad

[tulip aspen]

lol it's no problem we're all a team here!

[compact shale]

I don't remember any translations happening. I'm sorry! Don't you have a doc on this?

[keen shore]

Theory confirmed

[tulip aspen]

nope nope and don't apologize lolol its not your job!

this was like a month or so ago that this happened lmao

it even showed the elders as wearing Ancestor clothes and i was like :000

[keen shore]

I searched up all the keywords I could think of in discord search (I don’t know if it’s a reliable feature or not though) and nothing came up… let’s hope it wasn’t a dream

[tulip aspen]

^ here you go!

[oblique oasis]

The Matrix has you all.

Nothing is real.

There is no translation.

[tulip aspen]

i am at work but breaktime has given me the time to find your source lmao, enjoy

[wind sluice]

OHHH THANK YOU

[oblique oasis]

Sorry i just watched it for the first time today so I'm making references lol

[tulip aspen]

i definitely recommend reading through the entire thread i just replied to

[wind sluice]

Ball Ayin my beloved

[oblique oasis]

Who are these characters? What language is this?

[tulip aspen]

the first, right? 🗿

that's an official concept art showing the caste roles in the kingdom's society, and the artist who made it seemed to have made up that language

[wind sluice]

And some of the characters look like existing elders and spirits

[tulip aspen]

i looked up "ancestor clothing" to find it lolol

[compact shale]

What language is that...? It looks like Arabic but I can't understand why they'd use it

Also let's just ignore that blue eye staring from behind yeah that's a totally good idea

[wind sluice]

Tis the king 🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍

[tulip aspen]

skyblr determined it's not a real language and they made it up

each symbol literally just stands for an english letter, read the skyblr screenshot in the thread i just replied to

[oblique oasis]

Oh, I see yeah i went back and read the thread

[compact shale]

Pretty darn impressive i gotta say

[tulip aspen]

yeah skyblr does amazing things sometimes and most times it's just a dumpster fire

[keen shore]

They most definitely changed the letters from when the concept art was done, comparing the screenshots, which is sad but confirms they likely used the same methods (Replacing Latin letters with certain symbols) I may be completely wrong but I doubt they’d downgrade it from a system like that to straight gibberish. I’d want confirmation first though before I went to the mind numbing effort of decoding it
Something that we may also have to consider which makes this even MORE complicated is that each realm has different languages or the same language at different forms of evolution

[tulip aspen]

of evolution?

[keen shore]

Yeah like old English vs current English, there’s a term for this but I forget what it’s called and it’s late at night

[oblique oasis]

Given the theme of connection i would assume most realms had the same system

Also, why is the King behind with no labeling

[compact shale]

You feel the King's sins weighing down on your back. /hj

[oblique oasis]

Hmmm, I feel like it would be easier for the devs if they were labeled properly, but maybe it's an inside joke?

[keen shore]

I mean maybe, they might have used a trade language that was mutually intelligible while having separate languages themselves. It wouldn’t be too unheard of, especially if they were all different civilizations that later got connected instead of one expanding. (I don’t think this is the case and it would be extremely frustrating if it was because of language stuff but… it could be and would explain some of the “cultural differences” that shine through in clothing differences of spirits from different realms)

[wind sluice]

It may have just been for practicing the kingdom’s language

[compact shale]

You know what they say about the Tower of Babel... /hj

[keen shore]

I JUST REALIZED THIS BUT ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER. so this is the only known civilization (if it’s one single one) in the sky world with no contact to any other. So why would they need warriors? What other group would they be fighting against? I know a civil war probably happened later but it was, well, later, not at the on-set of the kingdom…

I know you mostly see the warriors in wasteland but some spirits in valley of triumph also look like they belong to that class

[tulip aspen]

imo language and speech send ultimately irrelevant in figuring out the secrets of sky lore these days

just as theme in itself i mean

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s true, it’s probably a wild goose chase, I mean there are only a few murals with “writing” on them so it doesn’t seem worth much

[compact shale]

Probably, not sure what sort of game - breaking evidence can be hidden behind a few written murals

Hmmmmm... What if?

[keen shore]

Imagine it’s a link to a YouTube video that explains everything

[sharp lichen]

an audiobook of the lore bible

[tulip aspen]

sky is meant to be a visual story, not a vocal nor linguistic one

[tulip aspen]

a fairly good point

[nova geyser]

Okay I went through Orbit and I noticed this constellation in the sky:

And my friend said there’s the big bird looking at the three sky kids, and the bird had antlers, but I couldn’t really see it? The closest I could see to a bird was this:

[hushed steeple]

Top left. Its a bird. Kinda. More like, a curly noodle.

The bird does not have antlers. It does have, a real long, prolly spineless body and lots of spaghetti tendrils.

[wind sluice]

Thank you, praising you for making these, they are super helpful 😩😩😩

[nova geyser]

OHHHH okay so we’re really just seeing its head and one wing??

[compact shale]

Megabird might be some kind of supergalaxy connecting the souls of all light creatures and us into one.

[hushed steeple]

I need to add orbit ceiling bird, and the ones in the concept art portals. But that can wait.

[nova geyser]

I mean technically we’re in the crook of mega bird’s wing I think

[hushed steeple]

Thats ultra cute

[compact shale]

Megabird literally having us under their wing, like a mother bird...

Dawwwwh...

[nova geyser]

OH ALSO I kinda love how the “come over here” emote and the “no” emote are technically the Prince’s parents (since they found him first)

[hushed steeple]

EEEEEEEEE

[compact shale]

Awww... We don't know if they adopted The Fallen before taking them to the trials tho

[nova geyser]

I mean they found them as the Prince was falling to the ground, though? I’d call that parent dibs XD

[hushed steeple]

Theres stuff about Isle Daleth taking him in. But either they are the replacement for that idea or, what I prefer, they all helped bring him up.

PARENT DIBS WHEEEEZE

[compact shale]

What idea?

[hushed steeple]

The idea prince was found and cared for by someone. It could have shifted from Daleth to Stargazer and rejector. But. I still kinda want Daleth to have had a part.....so....

[compact shale]

Hm. We don't know the in-betweens between Usher's memory and the mural of Fallen being sent off to the Trials.

[hushed steeple]

I can’t get overthat. LOOK! SKYBABY! I CALL DIBS! MY BABY NOW!

[frigid tinsel]

There are some concept notes floating around that says Daleth raised Chosen One (and has mixed feelings over what they became).

[nova geyser]

HE DON’T EVEN GOT GOOD CLOTHES! CLOTHES FOR MY BABY!

[hushed steeple]

Of course. Stargazer n rejector are the mum n pa. Daleth makes a perfect grandpapy

[compact shale]

Okay. Let's get the personal opinions.

A child falls from the sky. What do you do?

A. Ask if it's ok
B. Present it to your king
C. Adopt it
D. Send it back to the Sky with a burning sacrifice
E. Something else

[nova geyser]

Also do we know -why- the Prince had to do the trials

[frigid tinsel]

whoever picks D is a menance

[hushed steeple]

Prolly cause he was already prophesied to and the prophets got all the other students killed

[neat flint]

||D.||

[compact shale]

Because the prophets decided they were The One in the Prophecy murals or something like that

[nova geyser]

Oh so the Prince’s Anakin D8

[compact shale]

Yeah, the prophets look a bit lame at first.
||but they murdered at least 4 people each. ||

[hushed steeple]

Skylore:

Despite the prototype skychild having some design problems, they where still widely desired, so they began being mass produced.

[frigid tinsel]

mass-produced skykids

[hushed steeple]

10 million outta be enough to buy our iaps

[nova geyser]

Don’t forget they improved each model so they went from getting quasi-crystallized at death, to getting obsidian(????) on them at death, to just becoming a rock and then resurrecting again!

[compact shale]

I'm megabird and I drop my prototype children from the Sky and hope my kingdom doesn't mess them up beyond repair!!! :D

[nova geyser]

Good luck kiddos!! 😄 ❤️

[harsh pecan]

I was gonna say D but…..A

[frigid tinsel]

👀

[hushed steeple]

Luckily, it seems to be having the opposite affect.

[icy spruce]

E, leave it

[sharp lichen]

All of the above!

[harsh pecan]

But if they knew he was meant to win then why’d they let other people do the trials too? Were they just bored?

[harsh pecan]

Why would you sacrifice your adopted child

[sharp lichen]

Why wouldn't I

[wind sluice]

Ah yes the Hunger games

[static meteor]

i really like all the circle symbolism in this ngl

[frigid tinsel]

light cycle, rebirth cycle, circles are Megabird's jam

[hushed steeple]

More like
“I bet one of these is the child of prophecy!” And then gets them all killed. Or they thought they could teach them to be prophecy children.

And only after that does the one thats suspiciously matches their mural show up.

They where maybe trying to find the prophecy child....and uh...well they didn’t think him being glowy was literal BAHAAAA

[compact shale]

They may look feeble but they may have killed some people.

[harsh pecan]

What if most of the people that tried to complete the trials died because of eachother and the trials themselves were just arenas

[compact shale]

For all trials the strategy is to just be able to throw the opponent because danger is everywhere in those trials

[oblique oasis]

Have y'all noticed the green glow that our skids make when we enter sanctuary? What is it? I've never seen it before

I might've said this before and someone might've replied it's the blue tint from flapping your wings, but I'm bringing this up again because I have a decent eye for colors (was once able to tell the difference between 2 colors that were 2 RGB units apart) and I'm pretty sure this ones green, not blue.

My beer is on some sort of decontamination, but if it is it obviously hasn't worked well given the no small amount of darkness in sanctuary

[harsh pecan]

Yep

[oblique oasis]

Also what are y'all's theories about Flight and Prairie's relationship?

I'm kinda curious abt the "previously intern" thing

[hushed steeple]

Looking at how ash says flight guides relationship with prairie influence her choices, such as moving to flight paths and reopening the tunnels, I am starting to drop the idea they separated bitterly.

It kinda sounds like a positive influence.

[oblique oasis]

Wait.

HOLY CRAP OUR WEDGES-

[oblique oasis]

Also the drawn symbol of fight pendant on the pillar looking thing in front of the guide

[oblique oasis]

Where is that from anyway? I see the Daleth parent thing all the time but???

[oblique oasis]

CotL can't be burnt tho

[oblique oasis]

Four?

[hushed steeple]

I wanted to ask an interesting question, why in Golden Westland there are crabs being cooked?

[oblique oasis]

I like the theory that doing one trial makes you a prophet, and you can't actually die but you feel it so most don't go for the crown

[oblique oasis]

Survival maybe? Although the context is freaking weird

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

No wait I think I figured it out, maybe they weren't cooking but depurating? Because they don't have the black thing around them anymore

And they still have light? Inside them because of their eyes still glowing, but yeah funny they do spin tho

[compact shale]

If I remember correctly in the mural there are 4 "Defeated Ones" who didn't survive for each trial

Not sure if it should be taken literally or not, need someone to check on that

[floral grove]

Did the concept artists name the Elders after certain letters of the Phoenician alphabet? I'm seeing some similarities here

[tulip aspen]

yeah they believed him to be the chosen one they saw in their prophecy

[tulip aspen]

id like to think it's way more than that @_@

[tulip aspen]

whoa what

[harsh pecan]

They said it was the Hebrew alphabet but its similar

[lusty merlin]

Before I start, had it been a common theory of the first area of golden wasteland up until you meet the first krill actually an old part of valley? I just don’t wanna go on huge talk abt it if many came to the same conclusion

[tardy whale]

What are the name of the elders? I don’t remember them.

[lusty merlin]

copy and pasted:
Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh
Wasteland: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed

And again these names only appear in concept art and aren’t official, the elders are usually referred to as “Elder of the (insert realm)”

[tardy whale]

Ok thanks

[high bison]

I think the whole Sky Kingdom was essentially one giant city, so yeah

Also, there’s a little light in every sky kid’s chest

When you take out ur candle, the light goes dark

So the candle is literally your own heart

[lusty merlin]

I see, I just say that because there are statues of im guessing the valley twins in the first part of golden wasteland, because in a thread made by the offical scotl account was saying “Golden Valley is like the downtown of the sky kingdom” in concept art, and since the realms are split into sections that really interested me

Cuz golden wasteland is ruled by Tsadi( ), not the twins

But then you got the twin statues and a clearly broken temple and valley kinda small exploration wise since I wouldn’t count the races as a area to explore so I’m like HMMM

[high bison]

Fair point

[lusty merlin]

Eh I’m bored so imma expand on this and provide a photo collage cuz I don’t wanna send like 7 photos and clog the chat up

TL;DR The broken temple in Gw was Valley’s old temple but then war happened so the twins sealed that section off to prevent it from spreading to the rest of valley

In depth theory, 1st photo explanation:
From the moment we enter the gw social space up until we exit the broken temple with the first krill, I rlly think that entire section used to belong to Valley/the twins.
You got the obvious broken temple WITH statues of who I assume are the valley twins, and these exact statues appear when you enter both of the buildings before you race in valley. Similar bigger statues appear in the arena when you finish a race.
But why was it destroyed in the first place? Well I got a simple word to answer that.

War, leaning on a civil war imo

What the war was about can be debated but in my theory I like to think it was justice for the light creatures or anti power diamonds vs the king/power diamonds
Cuz yaknow light creatures were trapped and farmed (maybe krilled) for their light cuz light powers up the diamond. (You can see this in Forest elder cutscene, and another instance of farming light from the laugh emote in prairie)
a lot of ppl didn’t like the more cruel methods of farming light so maybe a uprising happened in old temple area and boom, war.
And this war spread and probably spilled into Tsadi’s ()‘s section as both the twins and Tsadi tried to quell it down but failed (obviously)

And then krill happened :)

(I’m still going but I don’t want this to be like one big block of text)

[lusty merlin]

second image explanation
And krill are canonically corrupted light creatures but I can’t think how they would get corrupted, maybe the creatures who used to be krill were used in the war as tanks?

Anyways first light creature gets corrupted, and probably destroyed the temple! Hence why a krill appears in the broken temple when the rest are in graveyard. And the twins where probably like “yeahhh we can’t keep this under control anymore” and so the evacuated as many citizens as they could and used their gift of wind to seal golden valley from the rest of golden wasteland.

There’s a mural showing them getting the wind gift in the prophecy caves (cause i assume the prince gave it to them). I include Tsadi because it can’t be them since they got the fire gift, not wind, so they didn’t put the seal there.

And the image above the text in the middle says “they used boats to move between places” when referring to Golden Valley so I assume the wind tunnel before you entered GW was the boat area.
Heck, there’s even architecture similar to the Citadel in the GW social space that’s not in gw architecture beyond the broken temple! Like cmon it fits too well
Then the twins built a new temple and Tsadi was main elder in-charge of leading the war that’s basically it.

(Sorry if there’s a lot of spelling mistakes here, it’s 3 am for me here and this theory has been eating at me inside for days )

[oblique oasis]

I remember it to be two?

[rigid mural]

Ash did have a theory wastelands had more water before, especially the shipwreck area. And I think it's super neat especially because I didn't see that anywhere else, I think I'm gonna pay more attention to the environment 👀
Perhaps the wastelands entrance had bridges like the boneyard in forest, hence the bridge remnants with the building !

[tulip aspen]

this is revolutionary!

[tulip aspen]

ive always thought the light dragons could have been used as war wagons / mobile fortresses, for sure

[lusty merlin]

Aa ty ;w; ever since I noticed the statues infront of the broken temple it always bothered me why they where here

And yes I like to think since light creatures such as mantas where used to haul boats they would’ve been used in the war aswell

[tulip aspen]

i seriously love this theory that the twins had control over the first part of what now belongs to the wasteland, this is totally viable

[lusty merlin]

Yeah totally! The first part of wasteland is just weird in general to me with the wind funnel being the like the most windiest part that is not a wind barrier to keep players in bounds

[tulip aspen]

do you know about the light dragon theory?

its that the whale creature in the cinematic sky trailer from the switch launch is the uncorrupted version of the krill

[lusty merlin]

Ooo I think I heard of that one before! The size certainly explains it

Lemme refresh my memory hold on

[tulip aspen]

I'm driving right now but I'll be able to show all of the evidence in 30 minutes

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah that’s 100% a uncorrupted krill, probably a baby too since it’s tiny compared to krills ingame

[lusty merlin]

Alrighty^^

[true grove]

If you notice the pipe entrance with wind to the shipwreck is actually next to a huge gate, the same one that are used in canals to raise or deplete water level to help ships cross, so graveyard could've been a docking station for the diamond manufactured in the factory

[lusty merlin]

That explains so much omg maybe the shipwreck was carrying crabs as food for the kings warriors in the war, cuz yaknow…. That one roasting crab

[true grove]

Oh

[lusty merlin]

Then the shipwreck got well, wrecked, I’m just trying to think why there are so many crabs there

[true grove]

Belonging Grandpa's memories could be after the wasteland became wasteland since he's running around, where there's supposed to be water

In The Salute spirit's memories we can see people fleeing so i think that might've been the last ship that reached wasteland because they didn't knew what was happening in wasteland

That also means he died while saving others 😔

[high bison]

F

[lusty merlin]

Aw Rest In Peace to salute lad

but yeah now that I think about it the random giant rocks in graveyard make more sence, kinda like places to put cargo. plus there is obviously alot more sand since the statues infront of the broken temple are semi buried, so maybe the slide down when we exit the temple was supposed to be a straight drop that’s usually filled with water

(Sorry if this doesn’t make sense cuz it’s super early for me )

[true grove]

Ha ha it does makes sense

Also one thing about the rocks/land there is that it looks like the ones that form underwater.
With tunnels and holes

[tulip aspen]

would you like to be made really sad

dont click if no
||you can see the same boat they were escaping on from his memory... crashed only a bit further out into the waters on some rocks
his sacrifice of staying behind was in vain||

[true grove]

Oh yes, one of the person drowned 😔

[tulip aspen]

because of concept art for the cinematic hd trailer, there is substantial (but not full of course) visual reasoning to believe the creature we see in that video is the Light Dragon; before it became the Dark Dragon (krill)

this is because originally the creature was to have horns shaped just like a krill's

((second image fan concept of finished creature from trailer for sake of viewing full body , made by kamilico))

[true grove]

Imagine how many creatures went extinct in sky

[harsh pecan]

Nooooo 😭

[true grove]

I hope they some cool new creatures

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[thick plaza]

the new season better involve light dolphins or something like that

are the little fish in ponds we see light creatures or like uncorrupted crabs (neither)?

[true grove]

Sanctuary is as close as we get to seeing multiple creatures which then are all different life stages of the same creatures

[true grove]

Oh i think jenova said something about them, brb 🏃

[harsh pecan]

I remember the wiki said they were neutral

[thick plaza]

ah ok, thank u

[tulip aspen]

👀

[true grove]

Rip sorry went to do something
Here's what jenova said

The fish that appear in ponds and lakes - why do they not have squares on their bodies like most "light" related creatures? Are they just decorational? Are they sentient? Why are the fish like that?
Jenova: We have a very low polygon budget, and control on how small detail can go. The fish's body is shaped like a diamond if that helps.

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

[rigid mural]

Wait, salute features other spirits ?

[true grove]

Yes, there are 3 people

[rigid mural]

I will have to go on the riskiest relive lmaooo

[true grove]

They are bugged most of the time and fall off the boat, there was supposed to be another person but they fell
It's quite funny as they vibrate too

[tulip aspen]

....i assume you haven't met dad from belonging then

[rigid mural]

I did but fortunately I think the only lore going on is them running after crabs across the entire graveyard

[tulip aspen]

so simply put, they are essentially light creatures

huh.

[wind sluice]

Isn’t that an elder manta? Krills = corrupt elder mantas?

[tulip aspen]

^^^^
@wind sluice

[true grove]

I can't spill beta beans here, i have to wait for next update

[wind sluice]

Oh yeah that one. I wonder why they changed it. (Yes I have also been wishing to spill beta beans this whole time)

[tulip aspen]

can you dm me what you want to say?

@wind sluice they changed it to fit the theme of all other light creatures better, it'd look weird if it was some floating mammalian thing

plus it looks more shrimp-like this way, as shown by kami's art

either way, next season is only in a few weeks y'all, dw

[wind sluice]

Yes that makes sense. Also it is in two weeks and two days!

[rigid mural]

Moths 🤝 Time
_ _ Flies

[tulip aspen]

terrifying

TGC is lucky i buy the bundle for my moths smh, cos heck nah this old vet is done

[true grove]

I wouldn't trust the in game timer until there's a official announcement

[wind sluice]

True but the 2 and 2 working with the 2022 thing is just fun ><

[icy spruce]

LORE CHAT, HAPPY-NOT-SO-ALMOST-ADVANCE-NEW YEAR

[true grove]

May this year bring more lore crumbs

[harsh pecan]

Yes, we need lore

[compact shale]

Mery crumbus and a lorey new year

[distant turtle]

That is a beautiful story. I wonder something similar. I wonder if the obliterated temple in the Battlefield was the original temple of the Wasteland Elder.

[icy spruce]

HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ME

AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO IS UHH NEW YEAR

[compact shale]

HAPPY HECCIN NEW YEAR, HERE'S TO A NEW YEAR OF LORE AND RESHANIGANS

[hushed steeple]

My observation was useful 😭

[keen shore]

So with the discussion above, is the idea that some parts of wasteland (the broken temple, the bigger broken temple with the krill. I don’t know how to differentiate between them because there’s two) were above the water and accessible but the graveyard was below sea level and flooded? would explain all the giant sea creature skeletons who just died due to lack of water
I feel like the first section that we thought was originally part of valley was not flooded just because of the way entering the forgotten ark works

[harsh pecan]

Yesssss

[fierce vector]

Wait really?

But i do wonder... Whats our main objective as sky childrens? Or sky kids?

As in relief past souls, endlessly?

[sharp lichen]

I think the main one is to help/restore/ascend the spirits, as proven by recent seasons such as Flight and Assembly.

[fierce vector]

Hmmm~ i see, but something also bug's be abit... When ever we tried to relieve a spirit memory, after achieving soo... The fact we could repeat such task again and again...

Makes me wonder... Are they truelly being relieved? Or are we just making them repeatedly suffer the same thing over and over again?

[sharp lichen]

||In Orbit, we see all the spirits that we've helped at least once. This proves that just reliving it once is enough.||

[fierce vector]

|| you know, i wonder do any one of them has tried to be reborn?, can old souls from the last generation also be rebirth like us? ||

[keen shore]

||maybe that’s why the seasonal guides don’t ascend||

[lusty merlin]

Bit off track but I just like this photo of resh a lot for some reason

[frigid tinsel]

Here we have the question of “what’s merely a game mechanic and what’s true in-universe?”

[keen shore]

Yeah, this is the question that causes most trouble in lore :( it really sucks because we have to question how much of the game is actually important if that makes sense? but I guess that’s the downside of using games as a storytelling medium
for instance like I said above is the guides not ascending just a game mechanic so you can relive the quests later or is it actually canon?? both are reasonably possible

[rigid mural]

Found what made me think elders are spirits

So like, I don't want to put the burden of always being canon-compliant on a dev just hanging out there but also it is a dev calling them that (on an edited post !)...

[tulip aspen]

did it not originally say "elder spirit"

[rigid mural]

Where ?

[compact shale]

I think the guides not "ascending" is a game mechanic, if you watch the ascension cutscene carefully they do ascend too just like the others

[rigid mural]

Flight has them ascend, and so do seasons from gratitude to rythm.

[compact shale]

Wait the guide didn't ascend for the other seasons?

I know no one ascends in TLP for obvious reasons but wait a minute lemme search it up...

Oh... Assembly Guide truly didn't ascend... Wonder where we went wrong...

[rigid mural]

It's probably to justify the guides staying behind

[compact shale]

Hm, wonder why they changed it...

Sorry Enchantment-Assembly guides!

[rigid mural]

Probably because the update where season spirits stay rolled around, so no point in depicting them separated from thd guides

[mighty heath]

THEY WHAT?!

[frigid tinsel]

do The Little Prince spirits ascend? I can't remember but something's telling me they don't.

very well could be wrong but if not then that's interesting

[rigid mural]

I don't think they do, we only see them show up from behind their book parallels

[compact shale]

Nope, they don't ascend.

Even if they were actually real spirits, we didn't help them. Did you really think that watching a smol boi roast the living Eden out of them was helpful?

[hushed steeple]

Theory, a silly one, but what if Skykid's capes are connected to their emotions? Since many emotes cause the capes to move in a way of emotion like shrug.

[frigid tinsel]

Well capes are a part of skykids’ bodies in a way it’s like another limb. It’d make sense for skykids to be able to move their capes when emoting, just another feature of their body language

[sharp lichen]

AMAZING PIC

[hushed steeple]

do you know what are red candles made of

[gleaming fog]

Wax

But like special wax that can produce normal white wax and never burns out, imo it’s probably the same stuff that makes up our sky people’s bodies (since you take a red candle out when you light your flame)

Does anyone know what the big thing in the sky is after Eden?

Like we fly up to it and it’s absorbing all light before we arrive in the buy spot, then in the credits it looks like the planets around this thing are just barren, like the moon/mars. Do we know what it is/what it’s doing?

[sharp lichen]

I thought it was a large source of light that light creatures (birds, mantas, us) migrate to so that we can get reborn

[tulip aspen]

no i mean, was the edit for the purpose of adding in "elder spirit" sneakily to get you riled up

[keen shore]

Okay so I was just doing my quests today and I noticed a couple things:
In Hidden Forest on the.. bells? on top of the sheltered portions of the bridge are similar symbols to the ones on the bells in daylight prairie which is really interesting. I recorded a few videos of them to see if I can redraw the symbols they contain and see if they match the symbols in daylight prairie.

THEN I went through village of dreams for candle running and noticed something… the buildings in village of dreams and some of the ones in golden wasteland are made out of the same type of bricks, exact color matching and everything. I don’t know how I didn’t realize this sooner but it’s really interesting because I can’t remember anywhere else built out of bricks in game

[tulip aspen]

@lusty merlin more evidence towards your research ^^^^

[lusty merlin]

my theory is growing yesssss

[fringe hare]

What theory 👀

[lusty merlin]

lemme link it

[lusty merlin]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here! its about the broken temple in gw originally belonging to the valley twins

[keen shore]

I think there’s another section in VoT with the same bricks, if I remember correctly the buildings you enter before you start each race each have them

[rigid mural]

I just said it's edited because it means ash saw that message at least twice and judged calling the elders "spirits" was allright lmaooo

[frigid tinsel]

I’m really fond of the Golden Valley theory. Not much into the specifics but just that there was one.

Makes you wonder why there is a Wasteland elder and a Valley elder if they were both once considered one place

[charred willow]

Now let's debate
Sky kids genderless or nah

[rigid mural]

They borrow your gender if you let them, but otherwise yah

[frigid tinsel]

Agender Sky world ftw

[keen shore]

When you ask a skykid if they’re a boy or a girl they respond with “are those types of birds?”

Also side note I remember someone a while ago mentioned a theory that a good portion of the spirit population was illiterate. I would like to add to this and say this is why murals depicting the use of areas are so common - for instance, the boat docking area in hidden forest having murals that very literally depict its purpose - and writing is so hard to find. This was probably a gameplay decision made so that we could understand things without needing to translate them but it does offer some interesting implications.

I mean, think about it. If you want everyone to know “this a spot where we put light in pots and put those pots in boats and ship them off” you make a sign calling it the loading dock, or whatever. Unless your intended audience and/or yourself can’t read, in which case you draw it out instead

[frigid tinsel]

The ancestors did have a writing system. It’s possible if their writing was on a material that could decompose, like paper, hence why we don’t see a lot of it. Though you have a point with the frequent murals.

Wonder what’s the point of keeping the majority of your population illiterate. Usually literacy increases with industrialization, which did occur. In that case, mass illiteracy would be deliberate

[keen shore]

Ohhh yeah that’s a good point… it would have to be deliberate illiteracy. And the reasons for that are never good ones… :(
The murals seem to be the most frequent in areas that are “production” centers if that makes sense?? Like areas with a heavy focus on exporting pots and/or whatever’s stored in them. That’s probably important

This might be evidence towards the whole uprising thing but it could also just be me overthinking things which happens a lot

[frigid tinsel]

Restricting education creates a surplus of poorer workers who would work in nonacademic, usually physically laborious jobs, like transportation and manufacturing

[thin dirge]

The form of writing def changed throughout civilisation. Murals were most likely the earliest form of "literacy" in Sky, since Isle represents the very dawn of civilisation where there's only caves and "cave paintings", and its that realm where murals are the most prevalent. Since they became less prevalent in later realms, language and literacy most likely changed. But we probs will never figure out what it was, since its clear that the areas where civilisation was mostly at its peak and the main cities was sort of destroyed or decayed by time, which was GW and Valley. Only area that isnt destroyed there was probs the village. Well, one of the only areas we know at least

[keen shore]

Wait, are the realms portals to different areas of time as well as space? I thought it was just the latter… I considered the first as well because of obviously different technology levels but I eventually was like “nah, that would be really weird if our purpose was just post disaster cleanup”

[frigid tinsel]

Likely just space. There’s no actual time travel.
There is a theory that everything is in a time loop but there’s no reason for a time loop.

[keen shore]

So would Isle / Prairie / etc just be technologically behind because they were rural areas? I mean, it kind of makes sense, but it’s weird that the difference is as dramatic as it is. Maybe some of the spirits purposefully kept knowledge from the others

[thin dirge]

Not really.... More like "symbolism" in a way? Lets just say they were technically the "center" of civilisation during each phase. Its stated in the Art of Sky vid on YT each realm symbolically represents a stage in civilisation.
This is clear if you payed close attention to the old concept timeline, with each significant phase in the timeline and civilisation occurring in each said realm

[keen shore]

Okay that makes sense, I knew about the symbolism bit but the way you phrased it made it sound like it was canon as well

[frigid tinsel]

The realms symbolically represent stages of life

[keen shore]

Conspiracy theory: the twins are not supposed to be elders but they were really determined about sneaking into the role through increasingly ridiculous methods, so eventually the wasteland elder just gave up and let them have it

Back to topic sorry :-)

My bold smilies seem really intimidating buf I promise I’m just avoiding emojis

[thin dirge]

Isle represents the beginning of Sky's timeline. This is suddenly clear when you realise in Prophecy thats the BEGINNING of the Kingdom.
Prairie represents a time in which people were still one with nature, which is why Mantas and Light Creatures were prevalent in said realm. Etc etc

As I said, it was literally stated in the Art of Sky video which was the devs talking about the behind the scenes of Sky, so yeah

Not only do they represent stages of life, but also stages in civilisation and the timeline of Sky

[frigid tinsel]

Nah we can have multiple topics at once

[thin dirge]

I just thought it made sense to think of this way about the realms representing stages on civilisation. With this, you could probably make a rough timeline as to what happened in the Kingdom's history

[keen shore]

Wait so. Isle and Prairie used to be where the kingdom’s center was, but the capital shifted later and they just became rural areas?? Or did they all happen at different times and the spirit memories just have a massive gap in time in between realms

[frigid tinsel]

Prob because of technological development that occurred that they became more rural by comparison

[thin dirge]

I think it may have shifted... This is my personal interpretation tho.

I would say they're more like the centers of major events during each phase in Sky's timeline, and as a result, previous areas may have become rural or abandoned areas as time passed. We dont really know how long the Kingdom lasted as a whole, may have been thousands of years, meaning areas like Isle would been abandoned even long before the Fall happened. (Which explains Isle appearing very deserted)

Isle was the center during the dawn of civilisation since thats where the ancestors ended up in the beginning. When civilisation started to progress, they started moving into Prairie. When technological advances happened, the focus became Forest because thats where it started and was the sourse of materials, etc etc

[keen shore]

I can sort of see that but if the assumption is that the prophets were alive at the same time as the king it messes things up a little

[frigid tinsel]

this is assuming the spirits we have existed at the same time, which prob isn't the case

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I dont think they were. At least, physically, if you look at the murals....

[frigid tinsel]

interrupting convo for a brief Happy New Year, lore chat 🎉

[keen shore]

Happy new year as well!!

Also if we assume they existed at different times (most likely true) how do spirit memories work?? Did people just enter the cave to try to go through the trials and see four ghosts just chilling there??

[thin dirge]

Happy new year!

[tulip aspen]

do we know they had a writing system?

[frigid tinsel]

yall were literally just talking about it not long ago

[keen shore]

Vault of knowledge SEEMS to contain things for storing knowledge similar to how books work but they look like lanterns for some reason … maybe the simple explanation is that everyone is illiterate because they didn’t need to write

That doesn’t explain the weird writing esque symbols mentioned earlier so maybe not entirely true but I feel like the … memory lanterns? Have a place in this discussion

Constructing a coherent timeline would probably be really strange because from appearances alone the seasonal spirits seem to take place later than all the other ones, just because their clothing is more ornate and developed, architecture has a distinct style etc but that’s probably not true, which means our best way of figuring out times is useless here

also side note in the same vein of golden wasteland combining with other realms. The second area in golden wasteland with the first krill seems to be a broken version of forests temple, is this important in any way or does it just mean the builders thought “hey this design worked before let’s do it again”

[harsh pecan]

Happy new year to you too!

[frigid tinsel]

there is Zhao's timeline, but given this was a concept timeline, things were subject to change (and did change)

For instance, the events depicted from the Cave of Prophecy, which seem to have been really important to the kingdom’s history, is not present in Zhao’s timeline.

[keen shore]

I could be wrong but it feels like this timeline is pretty accurate just not fully fleshed out with the new stuff if that makes sense…

[hollow knot]

happy new sky year

[keen shore]

Like what is the time of need?? some stuff is just not explained at all
YOU TOO!!

[charred willow]

I wish we got a look at the golden wasteland before the darkness tbh

[keen shore]

Like the isle being a holy land where people get reborn kind of makes sense with the spirit memories and whatnot. you can argue the spirit falling from the sky is someone getting reborn, maybe there’s not much architecture because the land is too holy to build on, and the only season there is one based around prophecy

SAME golden wasteland is my favorite realm

[frigid tinsel]

Isle wasnt the holy land, Eden was. Isle was where people began their journey to Eden

[charred willow]

Eden to a lesser extent but the golden wasteland just seems like it would be so mwah

[keen shore]

Ohhhh I see I misread it, sorry
And the stuff about “unearthing” dark stone lines up because some of the hidden Forest spirits have mining based names (tearful light miner, blushing prospector) with no real explanation

OH and also the stuff about the dark stone absorbing fire because you have to light it to get it to work

[charred willow]

What are those red stones anyways

[frigid tinsel]

Corrupted darkstone

Darkstone: just vibes, what the ancestors mined for.
Refined darkstone/power diamonds: can be given light energy to perform.
Corrupted darkstone: actively sucks out light

I think it’s interesting that we’ve never actually seen darkstone, only power diamonds and corrupted darkstone

[keen shore]

I wonder how the dark stone got corrupted. My best guess is that it happens naturally after a certain period of time, so it was always a ticking time bomb. Or it’s somehow connected to the refinement process and refining it is what “sets off” the bomb

We might have seen unrefined dark stone before but just passed over it, might need to check some areas of hidden Forest. But I doubt it, it sounds like an ore that needs to be mined and all of it would’ve probably been collected

One more interesting thing… the dark stone in all its form absorbs light for energy and is not harmed by it. But we can burn the darkness plants. Are they something else entirely?

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness plants, to me, are pure darkness

[thin dirge]

Seasonal Spirits could be exempt from this rule, since several of them could be from all over the timeline. For example, Flight spirits seems to be from the Prairie time of the Kingdom, but the location is actually Forest. Perhaps the non-seasonal spirits, are the only ones from said time period, but some things are confusing like the boat in Pointing Candlemaker's. (Then again, that could've been just the design before Flight was decided, sooo)

So its probably just the realm itself rather than the spirits. After all, one area mightve become rural as time passed, but this doesnt mean ancestors never went back there later.

Also, the outfits could just been a Season thing. As someone said above, its really hard to tell the difference between "game mech" and "game lore" in Sky, due to the limitations it has being in mobile phones.

About the lanterns, concept shows they're meant for reliving memories, and projecting them, I guess. Memories are probs one of the best ways to show something than just writing, but we havent see what the smaller lanterns have in Archive, whuch is said to be forbidden, sooo.... Could have writing

[frigid tinsel]

we don't know if the contents of the memory cubes are forbidden knowledge. we just can't access them.

[compact shale]

And even so, we're still illiterate in-universe . Some spirit or Megabird has to teach us first.

[rigid mural]

We need the home questgiver to come back and teach us how to read

[compact shale]

Qg: A *points to A
Moth: honk
Qg: B *points to B
Moth: honk
Qg: I give up.

[thin dirge]

We do know the ones in Archives IS forbidden. This was stated by the devs when that area was first released. So presumably the lanterns in there are forbidden

So those ones are probs the ones with text

[rigid mural]

We are all Jared, 19

[tulip aspen]

if memory lanterns are the closest thing we have to writing i don't think it proves anything about a writing system or not imo

[tulip aspen]

is there a less blurry version

[tulip aspen]

detailed clothing doesn't necessarily cement in any place in the timeline tbh

[thin dirge]

Sadly, its hard to get the less blurry version...

But uh, I was able to read it to an extent once... But I cant remember the text by now

[tulip aspen]

i still don't think the topic of a writing system is important to discussion about caste structure

we have no knowledge of any existing in game language or anything

sky is meant to be visual storytelling and the only one we know who breaks that rule is the voice of the Light in the Sky during the intro

[frigid tinsel]

This is literally pulled from Zhao’s website so no

[tulip aspen]

ooofff that's why it's so scarce

[distant turtle]

I know what you mean. Details of the timeline changed but the overall idea is probably still intact.

[boreal nebula]

Iirc hebrew alphabet influenced the Phoenician, which later influence on greek one from Romans inspired too

[willow prawn]

Happy new year, loreists!

[keen shore]

Thank you! You too!
In response to everything above I don’t think the writing system is super important but it’s just a neat little tidbit. :3

[boreal nebula]

Yes, I agree on Twins creating the seal with their wind power.

Infact this idea can be verified on the Twins old cutscene from Light Awaits (pre release Old Beta) where they took your light gift and float upwards in a symmetrical spiral! (IMHO that's what their golden statue in races start lines represent too)

[keen shore]

With the previous discussion about wasteland previously being underwater I wonder if the fire gift was used to evaporate all the water

[rigid mural]

I don't think the entire wastelands was underwater either, but because being surrounded by water is advantageous in war tactics (keep in mind even flying things will avoid falling in water)...

[keen shore]

I don’t either, just the graveyard area with all the skeletons

Maybe the first area as well but with only a small amount of water, enough to wade in

[boreal nebula]

That might answer my question of the day.

I relieved Dreams last cutscene and we see the 4 Spirits skating with Skater Girl and then ascending (5 lights! And from the vikkage ice rink)

Does this means Skater Ascended too (and Dreams Mama stayed behind?) Or did dveevs forgot it?

[keen shore]

The dreams skater really confuses me because I don’t know if she’s a spirit if that makes sense? She’s a character separate from the guide but you can’t relive her or anything…

My best guess is that a grown up version of her is a separate spirit

[rigid mural]

It's been a while since we knew how to build underwater, I just thought that it's possible wastelands ancestors did that too to use the sea as a natural protection. Could explain the massive walls, meant not against intruders, but against the sea itself (even if they are not holding water back, erosion is tough).

[wind sluice]

I saved this so quick that’s the best lore crumb I have ever witnessed

[boreal nebula]

If you ask me, it could be possibke we will meet her somewhere, but since she seems to ascend I wonder, maybe the reason why we cannot see her during ascension is that thr help of the 4 of them supported so much her that she was propelled ahead while they stayed behind

(Sort of like thre boosters from the Shuttle rocket just give enough speed just for the Shuttle to escape gravity)

[keen shore]

This seems to confirm the lore tidbit about them being normal spirits first and only ascending to elderhood later

[boreal nebula]

Not only that, in an early playthrough for IGN I watched recently, Jenova Chen refers to meeting an elder as a spirit

[rigid mural]

Honestly I'm getting more interested in Ash's theories now, they do have a different point of view than us and that dried up crab fields theory is genius, I need to investigate but it does hold ground.

[rigid mural]

Or it could simply be that both elders and ancestors belong in the "spirit" category ! Which would hint elders are dead too, albeit powerful enough to use their link to their temple to affect the environment and open the gates to sky kids from beyond the grave.

[boreal nebula]

I think a sky kids skill to regulate their microgravity is related to their emotions (like when overflowing energy lift us when unlocking a new wedge)

[keen shore]

True, but if they were born as elder spirits it would be really weird to have a subspecies of spirits with just 7 members, y’know?

[rigid mural]

"Spirit" doesn't sound like a specie name more than a state; I recall the elders being said to be ageless (source ? all I can say is the current unreliable lore doc unfortunately) so it's possible they are even older than ancestors; both are just not alive when we start the game.

[hushed steeple]

YES!💯

[keen shore]

I meant the original human(????) species if that makes sense. It sounds right in my brain but I can’t fully explain it sorry

[rigid mural]

Ancestors ?

[rain pond]

Hey lorechat

Why is the graveyard in GW called graveyard, and why are there skeletons there if the Creature-Ancestor war is not canon?

[rain pond]

My headcanon is that that area was a dumping ground for the remains of light creatures that perished when the light was extracted from them.

Evidence: No structures related to diamond production (pipes, presses like in the First Krill Area and the Hidden Forest temple) are in the area. Presence of skeletons (presumably those of whales or even elder mantas like the one in Sanctuary Islands) in the area, whereas the areas related to diamond production are devoid of these structures. Other diamond-related objects are also not present in Graveyard - e.g. golden objects that are presumed to be moulds (first seen in Forest temple as a part of the greater machine structure) are missing.

Rebuttal/Undermining: No diamond-related structures present in Battlefield, but no skeletons. The lack of diamond-related structures does not equate to the area not having a history with diamond-related structures. Perhaps they were all buried when creating shelters so that travelers could hide from Krill

Supporting Rebuttal: Braziers are placed there, which means that some "people" (ancestors) placed those there so that they could recover from the dark water and warm back up (GW is nigh on devoid of sunlight, so it follows that it would be cold there).

Counter-Rebuttal: Concepts and structure imply a large city within the outer walls (seen in Broken Temple area.) Perhaps diamond production was seen as a necessary but ungraceful thing, and thus the city was designed so that the elders (perhaps treated as royalty due to their leadership of realms) would not have to see the production and consequences of diamonds/separate the working class from the "monarchy"

Supporting Counter-Rebuttal: Graveyard is completely out of view in most of the Battlefield area.

[keen shore]

One thing to note is that light creatures aren’t supposed to die and leave behind skeletons. Skeletons imply an unnatural, violent death, they’re just supposed to be reborn. It is also weird, now that you say it, that all the places weapons are (spears, shields, etc) aren’t the same places the skeletons are…

[rain pond]

I mean getting all the light forcibly removed from you is kind of unnatural considering they're mostly made of light so :P

Also, it's implied by the whale call unlock conditions that the bones still are conscious? Disturbing... Maybe that's where the krills come from! Bones soaked in darkness until they become reanimated by it (instead of them being creatures of light reinforced with bones, they are creatures of darkness reinforced with bones)

[hollow knot]

was there a war before ?

[frigid tinsel]

points at battlefield

[rain pond]

According to The Theory Vault (the Google Document covering a lot of the theories discussed in this chat) there is evidence of a civil war within the Sky Kingdom between the spirits.

The creatures probably were not involved in this war as they can fly, and most of the barricades in Wasteland's Battlefield are on-land and would not do anything against flying creatures.

It seems to be divided into the Sunburst Faction and the Diamond Faction. My headcanon is that the Sunburst Faction (which resembles the symbol of The Light, which is seen when you deep hjönk) supports creatures going free and diamond production becoming less invasive for the creatures, while the Diamond Faction wishes to continue the status quo despite the very invasive methods used to extract light from the creatures for power diamond production.

The diamonds themselves make a cameo in Isle of Dawn, and you can Light them with your Flame to trigger cutscenes make doors open or even cause boats to move, in the case of the Village of Dreams

[pastel brook]

I'm proud of you for getting enough sneep snorp, @rain pond

[rain pond]

what sneep snorp I just wrote two short essays on Sky Lore and the top-left portion of my head is in severe pain

[keen shore]

Quick question why is Golden Wasteland called… golden? It’s more of a green tint. The best thing I can think of is that maybe gold ore was more common there but we don’t seem to see gold that much at all. It’s always been a bit weird to me.

My second theory is that it’s a reference to how prosperous it used to be, but that’s more abstract, so could be wrong

[dapper pagoda]

where is that??

[rain pond]

Concept art shows "gold paint" being used frequently. This is not exactly featured in the game, but then again there are gold parts or gold-trimmed structures (King statues and the press at the first krill area)

This "Golden" could also be a nod to the sands, which would have a base color of roughly "gold" or it could refer to how this was one of the nexuses of civilisation, that it was a part of the "golden era" in the Sky kingdom

[dapper pagoda]

we need to get mattpat on this

[lofty void]

We’d rather not

[dapper pagoda]

why

broski solved five nights at freddys what if hecan solve sky

[shut trellis]

i doubt some of his theories on fnaf. fnaf and sky have too wide of an interpretation range

also rather than an overarching theory for all of sky, you can really only piece smaller things together
so he cant solve sky anyways. imo

[keen shore]

It being about the sand would imply that golden wasteland is usually sunnier, because the thing making them look green is the overcast sky. It’s not too far fetched.
It being a reference to the “golden era” like I mentioned earlier is also possible but less likely because I think Valley of Triumph is supposed to reflect that area more, and also, all the other realms have super literal names, so it wouldn’t fit as well

[shut trellis]

wait blissful left the server. huh

[rain pond]

I mean it's called "dusk" in the concepts, and dusk has this orangey-yellow, almost golden light on the horizon. this combined with the natural pale golden hue of the sands could explain the name of GW

[lofty void]

Who?

[shut trellis]

this person who chatted just 49 minutes ago

[rigid mural]

Found something interesting. Boats that don't have power diamonds have this triangle pattern on the front.

Wind paths (main island)
Isle (boogie kid island)
prairie (caves entrance)

[rigid mural]

More

Prairie (caves)
Prairie (village) on the 5 following pics
Sanctuary (geyser)

[rain pond]

Possibly manta-powered? Apparently the boat in the Wind Paths is pulled by mantas

[keen shore]

We have the same hair in game!!

Also while looking for possible writing in HF I saw a ton of diamond symbols scattered basically everywhere they could be. It’s probably a shorthand for “hey this needs diamonds to work”. It is also interesting that the boats in the wind paths don’t have power diamonds, probably because of influence from prairie elder as mentioned earlier

[rain pond]

also I think I've determined what Diamond batteries look like

[rigid mural]

Maybe ! I just felt it was interesting that so far in Isle, Wind paths and Prairie, power diamond boats got those characteristic eyes on the front, while other boats got triangles, a shape I didn't see compiled like stars and diamonds yet.

[keen shore]

If diamonds mean it needs power diamonds to work I wonder what triangles mean… maybe powered manually?

[rain pond]

Maybe it channels the tractor beam energy inherent to light organisms into one very thin but powerful rope of tractor beam

[keen shore]

t… tractor beam energy???

[rain pond]

mantas, jellyfish and light blooms (the shrooms) have this thin beam of light when you float on top of them. Apparently this beam is also present on the manta that pulls the boat in WP

[keen shore]

ohhh true… I thought the mantas were you just getting caught up in the gust of wind their wings created; I didn’t notice the light before. Someone earlier mentioned that skykids can manipulate gravity around them a little (like when receiving winged light) so maybe it’s a similar mechanism

[rain pond]

I mean light has some weird thing with gravity considering that sky kids are made of stone/clay and thus are pretty heavy

a small cape with less wingspan than the length of a skid's arm should not allow them to fly but it does

A little bit of light inside a diamond should not be able to lift up multiple large boats made of solid stone but it does

Speaking of which do diamonds concentrate the light so that the gravity effects can be applied all at once to move heavy objects?

[keen shore]

That’s true… I ignored the cape thing as well because fantasy in general has a problem with wings on animals being too small, so after a while it just becomes “eh whatever”, didn’t catch if it was important in this situation
Also I wonder if the way you collect wax is related to this. Like how it gets pulled to you and sort of orbits a couple of times and gets sucked in.

I think the diamonds do their own thing but need light to work

I have another question that I’ve been thinking about for a while… stars falling are implied to be the cause or an effect of the apocalypse. Also when we relive spirits and send them to the elders they become stars in a constellation… are these two things related? I can’t imagine they aren’t, but it does have some weird implications

[rain pond]

idk its 10pm and im showing signs of carpal tunnel so im gonna go

[keen shore]

bye <3 sleep well

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t the flat-bottomed triangles on the ancestors represent them because they were “grounded,” meaning they couldn’t fly naturally

[lusty merlin]

Ooo that’s super interesting! I remember being amazing of their beta cutscene but it makes sense!

[keen shore]

I didn’t know the beta cutscenes existed. Hold on let me watch them

[lusty merlin]

makes sense! They needed to place them somewhere, I also love the idea of the elders being treated as “Royalty” and being blind to the consequences of production, this is a super well crafted head-cannon! ^^

[rigid mural]

Oh right, they are on their clothes ! Though they can mean something else other than the inability to fly imo...

[keen shore]

I believe we’re the first generation that can fly around, so it would be weird for people to have clothes saying they couldn’t fly when… no one could

[frigid tinsel]

points at light creatures

You mean these two-footed landwalkers didn’t look at these majestic flying creatures circling above them and didn’t feel a teeny bit jealous

I mean irl humans have been fantasizing about flight ever since birds existed

[rigid mural]

Yeah but we actually have more clothes mimicking their wings than ones pointing out we don't have any, tbh

[tulip aspen]

do you have any photos of this mould in the machine structure, or do you know where exactly i could see it myself?

also, idk about your mentioned use of braziers, as wasteland wasn't filled with dark water and dead during Ancestor time

[hushed steeple]

This game has lore wth

[frigid tinsel]

dunno why you're surprised. i mean, look at it

Jam got beaned

[tulip aspen]

apparently @_@
but it's all just bits and pieces so we have to actively work to put the pieces together, specifically about the history of the kingdom

it's kinda weird cos it's like archeology but about a videogame lmao

Lore Moth Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

Doc of Lore Nuggets Given by TGC staff
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

Google drive compiling a bunch of lore research about a variety of interesting topics
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp
(warning: LONG)

(disclaimer: the first two docs really need updating, someone come help)

--fruity