lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

Don’t feel sad until you look up the speedrun.com records for the trials

[sharp lichen]

And because I looked it up, you have to know too.

Water is 3 minutes. Earth is 1 minute 15 seconds. Air is 90 seconds. Fire is 2 minutes 20 seconds. How do they do it!

[icy spruce]

where are my 1500 hearts

damn 150 days

yeah, I feel old

[sharp lichen]

Half a year. Man

[icy spruce]

anyways, 1500 hearts

[rigid mural]

Alef was a speedrunner

[sharp lichen]

Resh holds the world record for the Kill% speedrun

[icy spruce]

1500

[stone cargo]

hello lore chat my offering to you is that resh has been divorced three times. the first time teth stole his wife, second tsadi divorced him, third tsadi tried to give him another chance and filed for divorce again

[willow prawn]

Who are Teth and Tsadi again?

[rigid mural]

Forest and Wasteland elders

[sharp lichen]

Amazing headcanon

[lofty void]

Canon Resh: Mysterious, powerful, the king
Fanon Resh: thrice divorced

[rigid mural]

Resh plays DnD with the other elders but was such a terrible DM they all left his game.

[icy spruce]

is King trying to copy Henry the 8th???

[sharp lichen]

Resh forces other Elders to pay him thousands of hearts for absolutely no reason

[lofty void]

are you. are you slandering Chesca

[hushed steeple]

Lil diamond on fire proph hair

[tulip aspen]

the grandparents fell first

a long time passes and the parents (but there's no mom... huh?) fell next, and the grandparents found them where they fell and took them in as their own children

[pale path]

i think sky kids are made out of candle. everything is candle. candle is eternal.

[icy spruce]

candle is love, candle is life

[sharp lichen]

Of course!

[hushed steeple]

Be careful spoiler avoiding buds, youtube thumbnails have been rampant.

[winged palm]

Wait…. ITS SKY LORE?!!!

[sharp lichen]

Did you really think this game was a fun, family friendly walk around?

[winged palm]

No

[sharp lichen]

Did you really think there was zero reason for all the murals and cutscenes?

[hushed steeple]

Le me:
Came for the lore, stayed for the frens

[winged palm]

IK it’s dark and stuff but not that much lore I tought

[sharp lichen]

Well, Sky lore is more dangerous, confusing, and downright ridiculous than you and I can handle

[hushed steeple]

Its honesty not that much confirmed, and takes a lot of supplementary concept art and picking and choosing what you think is still canon. But yeah theres some lore

[tulip aspen]

especially in the intro

"the prophets could see glimpses of the future, and saw that they were supposed to anoint a king Chosen One through the power of trials

so they made the trials, a series of tests that happen in your mind

children of the light fall towards the isle of dawn, and the prophets seem to have sent Ushering Stargazer to bring the children to the trials, to have them tested

we dont know how many failed, but we can see that many DID fail, and when they did they became incapacitated somehow, and possibly even died...

eventually, a child of the light finally defeated all four trials, and was crowned king/(or)prince called Chosen One

this is all we know for sure, through the memories of the Ushering Stargazer, and through the paintings on the walls in the cave of prophecy"

let it be known in my original analysis of the prophecy i never actually said stargazer kidnapped smh

all we know for sure is she and that mysterious bro of voyager's brought the chosen one to the cave

and the newest argument (of old evidence i didnt notice) has shown that there's no proof Stargazer and her buddy kidnapped multiple CotL, just the Chosen One. And that the ones who died to the trials were ancestors, possibly the prophet's own pupils, but we can't know for sure that they aren't just random peasants lol

another note
there's a *chance* that voyager wasn't listed datawise as the priest in stargazer's new memory, yet maybe it's still meant to be him
HOWEVER, that would mean the ascension glow truly isn't a reliable source of evidence

@fringe hare @compact shale @willow prawn @hushed steeple @harsh pecan @frigid tinsel @stable olive

that all sum up all the new developments from that one night?
or did i miss anything

as for knowing whether the ancestors who died in the trials were the prophet's own pupils, i need to relive all of the prophet's memories again to be sure of what happened

one of you said every extra in the prophet's memories matches how many corpses there are in the pic of the trials, correct?

[frigid tinsel]

oh god that's a lot of messages

[fringe hare]

Someone said something about “the number being the same” which if that was meaning the pupils in the memories matching the “dead” on the mural that would be very interesting indeed

[tulip aspen]

literally cant be a coincidence, so I'll have to go make sure myself so we can confirm that

[fringe hare]

Yeah definitely needs checking, I don’t remember any context being mentioned about what numbers are the same as what, they just kinda said like “some said the number is the same and I can’t get that out of my mind” and not much else lol, I feel like we remembering the same person

[stable olive]

Oooo interesting developments I wanna see how this plays out 👀

[sharp lichen]

They should be, I suppose?

[sharp lichen]

This raises some strange concerns about the death of spirits

[tulip aspen]

i dont want to ride on that should yet personally

[sharp lichen]

Well, the only other theories are either that they’re random people who did the trials or we’re not interpreting it correctly. I don’t believe in the latter, and the former is a bit strange. It would make sense that the Prophets would want to teach people about the powers of Patience, Resilience, Balance, and Courage so that they could do well in the trials.

[compact shale]

Has anyone ascended the ones who own the hairs of the pupils? I know it's not that plausible, but I just wanna check out of curiosity

[rigid mural]

Nope ! The pupils aren't ascended when you ascend a spirit with similar hair.

[tulip aspen]

i dont see the former as strange at all, when i first watched the memories as a moff i thought the prophets were just tourguiding people around their place

and no one wants to believe in the latter, but TGC certainly isnt perfect.....

but yeah they definitely were teaching those ppl something

[woeful herald]

what is lore

[harsh pecan]

Do you want to know more about it?

[tulip aspen]

the detailed, fuller story and history of something

[compact shale]

Sky lore has many aspects of it. What specific thing would you like to ask about?

[woeful herald]

i just wanna ask whats the meaning of the 'lore' word hehe :3 thank you all btw

[harsh pecan]

Ohh oki

[compact shale]

Ah, I see.

[mystic cosmos]

These look similar. Coincidence?! 👀 (probably…)

[hushed steeple]

Bro sky is 87% journey

[shut trellis]

Yep, for the good or for the bad.

[hushed steeple]

Isle of dawn among the biggest offenders. And it didn’t used to be in several prior versions.

[harsh pecan]

Yea it looked so good before

[hushed steeple]

Mountain isle

[shut trellis]

I kinda wished tgc changed it up more

[orchid jolt]

theres a stream rn

[compact shale]

WHERE

[orchid jolt]

youtu.be/IUB_v1Azvqw

[shut trellis]

wait what

[harsh pecan]

Yess

[hushed steeple]

We have elders like journey, we have circle you sit in to activate things from journey, we have krill from journey, we have the ending but with rocks instead of snow from journey, we have a tower with hieroglyphs you gotta activate things to go up from journey. We got current isle from journey, and honking, and collecting glowing things to fly more, and creatures being the source of energy that the civilization over did. And rebirth.

Ancestors are new, seasonal stuff is new. And King and Mega who where both cut where new.

[shut trellis]

"And King and Mega who where both cut where new"
TGC really did try to make new stuff hidden huh /lh

[compact shale]

I tried to ask them what skykids are made of lol

[floral grove]

Indestructible clay

[shut trellis]

they're staying in the comfort zone of past games and its killing lore people

[hushed steeple]

That was already asked like ages ago. They dunno. Clay rock stuff. They say they made the sound they make landing sound hard so that landing does not sound painful.

[floral grove]

So really dense clay

[compact shale]

These are different devs tho, I know Ash doesn't know but do they?

[frigid tinsel]

Minecraft omph flashbacks

[shut trellis]

In the concepts, did it ever say what skykids were made up of? I know that concepts don't equal canon but

[floral grove]

Someone from this channel told me that they may really be made out of clay or some sort of metal which are hollowed out in the inside. They explained it might be the reason why we hear a ringing sound when they hit something while flying

[hushed steeple]

Just that they are light creature and ancestor hybrids.

Hybrids like concept wise, Mega prolly used both to make them, not like.......uhh.....both...having children together...

[floral grove]

Also how come Sky Kids just stay as kids? How come they weren't created to age nor as adults in the first place?

[harsh pecan]

King and Megabird were cut?

[hushed steeple]

If reincarnation theory is true, its because the one skykids reincarnated from was also a permanent child.

[shut trellis]

Yeah, a lot of people think clay. Probably they are hollow and they have their candle inside their body... which i dont know how we take out or how it just stays inside with no support whatsoever but okay

[floral grove]

Yeah but how were they a permanent child in the first place? Megabird magic?

[hushed steeple]

King n Mega in many concept where both at some point, physically seen in the game. They, sorrrta cut? In comparison to what they have noe

[harsh pecan]

Sky anatomy is confusing

[shut trellis]

Definitely. Physics too

[frigid tinsel]

there's the idea that skykids haven't been around long enough to age, even if they can physically age versus mentally aging

[compact shale]

He he

Hollow skykids of light :)

Nice and fitting

[hushed steeple]

The elders are like demi-gods. They just exist as how they where created and know nothing else. (Is my guess)

[floral grove]

That makes sense. Kinda funny to imagine a bunch of 5 year old looking humanoids running around with the mind of someone who has lived for so long

[compact shale]

the mind is a plaything of the body

[shut trellis]

alef be like

[frigid tinsel]

cough chibis cough

in my headcanon, the oldest skykids are 5 years old (sans alef). skychildren are a very recent development in the Sky kingdom

although moths can be born with the mentality between 6-12
wait i have to double check my numbers on something

[shut trellis]

Alef but funni bone man?!?!? but out of all seriousness, good hc!

[frigid tinsel]

so i was basing that off the assumption of in-game height = age but given the tallest in-game height (3' 11") is about the height of a typical 7-year-old, my conclusion is not right.

although you could argue that newborn skychildren have the mentality of a less than 7-year-old.
but given skykids cannot grow naturally (they use resize potions), height may not equal to mental development. besides mental development might be rather atypical given their mission and that every skykid who's gone through Eden, at least, as traumatized

mid height of a skykid (3' 2") is equal to an irl 3-year-old

[orchid jolt]

I mean, the spell to bring you to max resize height does say "turn into an adult"

[frigid tinsel]

it does? i've never used the tallest spell

[orchid jolt]

yah, it does.

[hushed steeple]

Chibi spell I think says “turns you into a baby”

[orchid jolt]

well, not the one that makes you spirit sized, the one for max resize height

[frigid tinsel]

chibi height (2' 3") is legit the size of an a baby <1 year old

[orchid jolt]

now to the age old question, which is more baby a moth or a chibi moth? On the one hand, a chibi moth definitly looks more baby but a moth hasnt had the time to get a chibi mask and are thus more baby than chibi

[floral grove]

That's like 2 and 1/4 rulers

[compact shale]

Ummm

Look Fam It's Not That Deep?

[orchid jolt]

It is now, I have a shovel

[frigid tinsel]

i'm just curious

[orchid jolt]

I know this refers to the dev's holiday break, but if it matches with when dev-caped kid is letting us into the office, i might have to let go of my thatskybot = devcaped kid theory.....
Edit: forgot to attach the image

[sharp lichen]

Height≠Age. Don’t height shame us chibis

[orchid jolt]

I concluded that a normal moth is more of a baby than a chibi moth. so i was saying the whole height not equaling age thing. But, it could be that without using spells and stuff, over time a sky kid would get bigger as they grew older (not in game but in lore, since the spells do say "turn into a baby" and "grow into an adult")

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they mean baby/adult sized?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, height ≠ age. I was a really tall kid. am now a short adult.
perhaps the tallest height spell just shows how tall a skykid can be naturally.

[orchid jolt]

the spells and chibi masks makes it so you cant judge age on height, but if a sky kid were to not use those, it is possible (with our current knowledge) that they would slowly get bigger over time. This wouldnt happen in the game, but could be canonical (cause game limitations and all that). Unlikely tho

[compact shale]

Maybe in Orbit your clay body can be rebaked and you'd be a little bit taller? /hj

[frigid tinsel]

are skykids even physically capable of naturally growing? given they're not biological and made of a material that probably doesn't grow without outside manipulation.
oh, I did have the idea that in-universe skykids get taller every time they descend from orbit.

[orchid jolt]

well, yeah it is the max height for resize potions. and there is another spell that makes you even bigger but there is no real way to attain that size permanently

[compact shale]

Out of Orbit and into the oven

Biological Skykid AU: Skykids are made of plant matter and they photosynthesize now

[orchid jolt]

probably not. just a technical possibility that i thought id throw out here even if i dont think its true. also, ive heard that rebirth used to change our height like a resize potion. not sure if its true but...

[compact shale]

I HAVE ATTAINED MY NIRVANA HEIGHT!!! NO MORE REBIRTHING NOW!!

[frigid tinsel]

but they do photosynthesize in game. they use light for energy. without light they wither

[orchid jolt]

its 100% no longer a thing

[compact shale]

I guess in a way. Though IRL photosynthesis involves converting said light energy to sugar... so not the whole process lol

[orchid jolt]

thats not photosynthesizing, otherwise we could just stand in sunlight for energy.

[frigid tinsel]

bioloigcally, light > sugar > energy (light energy > glucose > ATP )
in game, magic light (winged light, flame, candles) > energy
ugh i'm getting high school chemistry flashbacks. not a good time

[sharp lichen]

Sky Chemistry is the deepest, darkest depths of sky lore. I am terrified of it.

[compact shale]

AAAAAA-

[tulip aspen]

until they change it, I really don't see any point in not taking what appears in the game at face value for Canon

the light morph Theory works perfectly well to explain size changes guys

if anything resize potions and the latter just make your light super powerful enough to allow it to stretch out your casing very well

[compact shale]

Yes. Heating up the light, and it will stretch or squish your earthen vessel randomly. :D

[tulip aspen]

even if they canonically could outside of game logic we would have no evidence of it until it's clearly obvious in a trailer or cinematic or whatever

as for ancestors and ancient children of the light, they do appear to mature in some way but maybe that's overtime through gaining something such as wisdom or powers of light, rather than just via aging

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, we don't have evidence that ancestors didn't age overtime. seems rather extraneous to assume they need to age with wisdom rather than just mature?

[icy spruce]

where’s my 1510 hearts

[tulip aspen]

as for chibis I personally would just give a bologna answer that that specific mask has some sort of power to affect the light and condense it

to explain why you're not still small when you take it off is that that mask's ability is only holding down the compression; and the moment it lets go the compression will stop and the sky kid's body we'll just spring back up again

[tulip aspen]

where's the lore Bible chesca

fork it over

[icy spruce]

idk ask Ash

[frigid tinsel]

the lore bible cost 1510 hearts, that's why chesca is asking /j

[icy spruce]

oh crabs, they know

/j

[harsh pecan]

If add all our hearts together, maybe we can afford it

[frigid tinsel]

ask some vets who's been heart trading for over a year

[harsh pecan]

They probs spent like 60% of it

[frigid tinsel]

welp, i have 28. was saving up for the table but whatever

[harsh pecan]

Baudshaw can fund like 95% of it, it’ll take a few years tho

[orchid jolt]

how many hearts are needed?

cause i might have enough in my basement

[tulip aspen]

^ bruh

[frigid tinsel]

since to get a heart you need to spend 3 candles, would it suffice if we got 1510 x 3 = 4530 candles instead? i think that's feasible with, say, 2 vets.

[icy spruce]

ye and the price of the lore bible keeps on increasing by 10 hearts (which is annoying)

[frigid tinsel]

why is it increasing?

[shut trellis]

wait, whats the lore bible?

[icy spruce]

the book that has all the lore

[tulip aspen]

hikari could do it all on her own

[harsh pecan]

It gets more valuable so the price appreciates in value ig?

[frigid tinsel]

but daily?

[harsh pecan]

Wait is there confirmation that the price increases anyways?

[frigid tinsel]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

oh, its 1510?

[harsh pecan]

Ik

[orchid jolt]

If i use the ones in my basement and the few kept in my backyard, i have a bit less 1500. give me one day and i can get around 13 more. that should be just enough, especially if anyone here is willing to give me their's

[harsh pecan]

What did Chesca say?

[icy spruce]

:)

[orchid jolt]

||message deleted||

[harsh pecan]

Dm?

[harsh pecan]

Wow that’s a lot- what if we try to lower the price through negotiation, that way you won’t go broke

[hushed steeple]

O something about an item thats not in live and will never be in live according to the context I see here?

[orchid jolt]

don't worry about it, i enjoy the hunt anyway.

[harsh pecan]

||Wait…we can buy it in beta then||

[orchid jolt]

we're still talking about the lore bible joke thing right?

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[compact shale]

Its existence is not a joke tho

[orchid jolt]

ok. guess ill just put back all of this evidence then

[compact shale]

What evidence?

[orchid jolt]

the hearts. gotta rebury some of em back in backyard and put the others back in my basement. that does leave me with these 13 people tho... guess ill just lock em in the shed ||/j||

did- did some of yall not realize i meant human hearts instead of in game ones?

cop passes by
i mean i DEFINITELY only meant in game ones!
sweats

[icy spruce]

oh ya, can I have the human hearts I need to pay KP

[orchid jolt]

what is KP?

[harsh pecan]

You owe KP something?

@orchid jolt King Propaganda

[icy spruce]

no, I need to pay ur salary

Moon, that’s confidential

[harsh pecan]

How much is my salary?

Oh- free hearts then

[orchid jolt]

oh thx!

[harsh pecan]

I didn’t know KP employees had salaries

[rigid mural]

Saw you on the stream Ameoba, what was the message the mod deleted ?

[shut trellis]

KP employees have salaries now?

[harsh pecan]

Apparently, maybe we should ask the higher-ups

[compact shale]

I can tell you a few messages that got deleted

[shut trellis]

Yeah probably. And that would be rather nice.

[harsh pecan]

Yes free hearts

[rigid mural]

What's KP ?

[shut trellis]

As Mune said earlier, its King Propaganda

[rigid mural]

I am not very smart.

[shut trellis]

Lmao you're fine.

[shut trellis]

man, sky chemistry exists? you've figured out much more than I have

[night pecan]

raises hand if sky kids y'know, crack n stuff (as seen in ||eden|| n whatnot)
does that mean their bodies are inorganic or just something similar to stone or clay

[shut trellis]

you don't have to spoiler the word eden in this chat, btw. but there was a theory on skykids' bodies being made out of clay

[frigid tinsel]

I’m banking on clay, stone, or charcoal

[tulip aspen]

what do you mean joke lol ask confirmed there is a formal paper or digital template regarding the story and the main writing/narrative of the game and that that little booklet is given to every single staff member in the office

[compact shale]

Booklet? Or what if it's a Google Doc HA HNENR

[shut trellis]

what is the lore bible

[frigid tinsel]

The devs’ cohesive story and info about the game and everything in it

[compact shale]

We will probably only see it when Sky ends and the NDAs expire

[tulip aspen]

honestly I'd prefer never not seeing it

[shut trellis]

Oh okay, thank you!

so you want to see it? or vice versa?

[compact shale]

Double negative.

[frigid tinsel]

Speaking of Sky chemistry, the manufacturing process of dark stone to power diamonds probably falls under that.
Hmm time to make a list of everything in Sky that might involve the field of chemistry
No I will not do that. Brain hurts already

[shut trellis]

that darn darkstone- most likely, although im still wondering about sky physics, chemistry really has to be there too? also, in theory, how does a creature become corrupted darkness? since skykids kinda just die after being hit 100x times by dark rocks.

[sharp lichen]

Can I join? Please?

[icy spruce]

bro

[shut trellis]

Aren't you already in it?

[tulip aspen]

TYPO

that would be so lazy of the team to give the "real story" in a little booklet after the game closes

if it came down to that I'd rather not have the answer is given to us at all and to just keep the game vague as ever

as for stuff about the king, about mega bird, about how spirits work, how krill's work, how the dark works, about the past, about the war etcetcetcetcet

I'd rather those be in full, beautiful, cinematic and gameplay driven seasons towards a climax / ending of sky

I don't mean more bologna on cave walls (PROPHECY) or just a cute little walk-through thing or flat cutscenes

give us what we had with the prince but with important actual characters creatively and without dialogue painting the past painting what our Sky kid needs to do with the information that both us and them are learning about these memories

make it climactic and make it beautiful and make it emotionally driven as the spirits and our characters struggle to bring the story to an end

that's what I want if we know the answers

[sharp lichen]

Ignore that

[sharp lichen]

I kinda want that

[compact shale]

If the game ends involuntarily due to circumstances (bankruptcy, etc.) they might release the lore bible to not keep sky on a cliffhanger, because forever-unresolved cliffhangers suck

[icy spruce]

Ash confirmed it lmao

[tulip aspen]

slightly more fair, but also might just squeeze sky dry until it literally cannot be squeezed anymore so sorry but I think that they would never want to reach a climax because it would mean the end of the money

if sky does a Halo infinite moment and tries to use this new model of constantly updated projects into the next decade, then it might get canceled or or cut off long before they make a concept of a ending to the game

maybe I should have more faith in the game especially with how promising the next season looks but I think I've said that before so I'll just have to see when this next season comes out

[sharp lichen]

The next season? Man, im so out of the loop

[static meteor]

curious to know if anybody has any theories on what exactly the spirits are? Like. are they corporeal? Are they in another time, stuck to the place they were most attached to? What is Going On

[compact shale]

Ho. ho. We cannot discuss it yet.

[tulip aspen]

the only reason we actually got answers to that is because we were getting everyone scared that there is no actually cohesive story held together by the devs underneath the curtain

luckily all of the panic got ash's attention, and either they or a higher up through them confirmed that there is indeed a story Bible

[fringe hare]

Did ash confirm they’d potentially release it? All I’ve seen is that an internal narrative does exist and devs can access it

[icy spruce]

nah

[tulip aspen]

there is nothing like that and you really shouldn't hope for it imo

[fringe hare]

I don’t, I was questioning fruities constant expressed hope lol

[sharp lichen]

I do think a story bible could ruin #lore-discussion-spoilers in the long run, as all our theories will be gone

[icy spruce]

true :Icantstick_tothepainanymore:

[compact shale]

I know, but the condition I said is extremely unlikely lol

[distant turtle]

I don’t personally mind if they reveal more lore or not 🤐. I feel like the story was already told to a satisfactory degree.

[sharp lichen]

Imagine! The story bible says that Juggler is the chosen one who completed all the four trials. Then, our theorizing about the King and the Assembly QG vanishes!

[fringe hare]

Ye ye, I was just wondering if you saw somewhere that they may release it under such a circumstance.. or if it’s just something you’re hoping could happen 😬

[distant turtle]

Anything else that’s left to be told is just interchangeable detail.

[fringe hare]

Yeah we do have a pretty decent understanding of the overarching events and such.. But the sweet minutia is hard to resist for a lot of us 😂

[compact shale]

It was just a hope lol. fdsfn

[compact shale]

Apparently the anatomy of skykids is a minutia. It isn't common knowledge, apparently. Unless Ash is playing dumb.

[fringe hare]

Gotcha haha, just checking ❤️ hope is good to have.

Yeahh I do wonder about their bodies too.. there’s a lot that could be going on there

[hushed steeple]

One one hand I feel like we prolly figured the big story pretty well......but on the other hand WHERE IS THE FUN IF WE NEVER FIND OUT WE ARE RIGHT! Its like guessing a murder mystery and never finding out.

[fringe hare]

I mean it seeeeems like it’s some sort of husks driven by some sort of light entity. But man it could be so many things I can’t even

[compact shale]

Hahaha, sometimes deciphering Sky lore is like trying to find the meaning of a book whose author died. (looking at you, TLP...)

The common theory is that we're made of a clay/earthen hollow shell with light inside. And also that we're not biological/organic.

If something were to shatter this theory...
a terrible calamity would occur. /hj

[rigid mural]

I prefer taking what devs say with a grain of salt.

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, the author of TLP was last seen on his plane. How fitting.

[fringe hare]

Oof 😬

[rigid mural]

I think that's kinda poetic.

[compact shale]

The last part is a Deltarune reference lmao

[fringe hare]

Yeah I think so too. Although now I feel like the plane in the jacket cape area is haunted thanks 😂

[tulip aspen]

I'm sorry what

[tulip aspen]

we'll stay strong fam

thia next season will not break us, i swear it

[static meteor]

i am honestly so excited for it

[compact shale]

Dude I don't think- WE SHOULD EVEN MEENTION THAT

[fringe hare]

Definitely spoilers, beta content

[lofty void]

Wait i get free hearts?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe

[floral grove]

When the stars fell, did the stars took human-like physical features upon impact or did they already looked like humans even before falling?

[icy spruce]

They looked like humans before fall

[frigid tinsel]

I know I have a lot of spirits with the same hairstyles ascended like Survivor and Shipmaker, but none of these spirits are yellow (except Fire Prophet cos TS)

[compact shale]

Awwwh man, alright I see...

[tulip aspen]

did someone say beta stuff?

[misty cedar]

I wrote a Lore Story (: i had to patch screenshots together since it was too much of a text for discord

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah they definitely aren't the same model as the ones you mentioned lmao the only reason we have the ascension glow hint is because the model is the same and they just threw the same model in

the model turns gold, not the spirit

lets not rely on the ascension hint too much guys, it's far too technical a thing to work off

(that doesn't mean i believe we should apply hairology to these people because i think that's really... yeah)

[tulip aspen]

nice!
the concept is a lot like my intro analysis ehe

i recommend using a Google document next time and just sending the link, btw

[compact shale]

Yep it's dubious... but the ascension thing is still a cool detail and we're gonna latch onto it until Ash tells us to stop lol

[tulip aspen]

i mean id like to still apply it when we logically can, so if y'all get ash on us that'll kinda suck for our research

[compact shale]

Well, obviously I wouldn't actually ask Ash if it's a thing, no way in Eden am I going to waste a question on that

[lyric isle]

we’ll find a way with whatever
we can still keep them as the vessels they are

[fringe hare]

What is the dubious ascension thing? I haven’t figured it out lol

Any thoughts on the tree looking things in the void place?

ALSO I never noticed these axes in hermit cave, anybody know who the hermit would have been and if he seemed big enough to be swinging these bad bois?

[compact shale]

Here's a summary
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Also about the axe question, Yeti's a retired axe juggler

[fringe hare]

Ooooo so according to this if I go look at the same cutscene on my alt and on my main, my mains should be colored differently eh? If that does happen definitely some fun thought fodder

IS HE REALLY?

[compact shale]

Well, Kamilico asked and Ash reacted so... yeah

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Good thing they only chopped off their horn and not their hand or something

(yes I know TS hints aren't canon but they're all we got for now because spirit intro cards weren't introduced until Flight)

(this isn't a TS hint tho)

[fringe hare]

I love that. I guess it is pretty fair to assume it’s yetis cave, who else gonna be out there. And that’s why he’s missing a horn aaaa 😭 lovely. Thank you for bean sharing

And I finally understand this thing lol

[compact shale]

Nah nah the Beaned in other chats means "jokey ban/warn"

In lorechat it means "mmm delicious lore tidbits"

Also the horns thing is my headcanon lol

[fringe hare]

Either way I like this ones meaning lol.

Well it’s a great little piece of head cannon that I now support 😂 thank
I didn’t like the horns bc I was just missing one for no reason. Now it has a reason! Very nice lol

[tulip aspen]

still sounds like a joke answer to me, i prefer the theory of him being a savage warlord from the war

it would add much more to the continuity

[tulip aspen]

yes fruity kami and i have been already preparing all the counters against the mundane question we know is coming

[compact shale]

*soup-sipping noises
Retired veteran-turned-gentle? Hmermmmmmmm...

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah

it makes sense

Nordic??
he's literally a viking warrior lolol

[compact shale]

could you link to the theory? never heard of it

[tulip aspen]

you've heard of it now ||it's my own take||

i have a lot of takes that i find obvious when looking at things, yet when other people look at the same thing they feel the urge to craft a fanfiction about how said things means specific character is doing through depression and had 3 divorces

he always seemed like a guy with a past he ran away from, and those axes only confirm that for me

but i personally don't think that past is juggling smh

[lyric isle]

am I allowed to DM about this?

[tulip aspen]

go ahead lol

[compact shale]

Loresoup, mmm.

[floral grove]

What's with the single light creature in the single-Krill area in GW

[floral grove]

sweats

[harsh pecan]

Maybe its just there as an example

[floral grove]

As an example for what? For how the Krill works?

[floral grove]

I'm asking this lore-wise, not its significance in game mechanics

[fringe hare]

Let people project onto the NPCs jam 😂

[harsh pecan]

Yea, lore-wise I think it mightve been trying to migrate somewhere but got lost

[floral grove]

And then it gets eaten by a Krill. Rip

[fringe hare]

Maybe it’s like the last leaf falling from a dying tree. We arrive just in time to see the last pure creature of light snatched from existence

[floral grove]

That's tragic and poetic

[orchid jolt]

Ushering stargazer's memory doesn't have the "no" spirit gain an ascended color even when the "no" spirit is ascended

[steep ridge]

do the ancestor ? elder spirits have names / titles ?

[fringe hare]

Probably yeah. I don’t know that they have canon names. Though I do know a lot of players use some names found on some ancient concept art or something, in spite of the devs not really using those names themselves at this point

I would think “Elder of the (realm)” would be their title but there could be deeper more specifics ones for all I know. It does seem like they each have a specialty

[fleet saddle]

I’m sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I just had a shower thought.

Literally, I was in the shower and thinking about this, so sorry for me bursting in so suddenly!

[hushed steeple]

No go back to shower

[fleet saddle]

..but I’m out of the shower.

[hushed steeple]

Then dress your self up

[sharp lichen]

Don’t make your house wet. Dress up!

[fleet saddle]

I will!

[hushed steeple]

And open the bathroom door to let damp out

[fleet saddle]

No-

[fringe hare]

What was the thought lol..?

[hushed steeple]

Yes or your mirror is wet, your bathroom wall too. So let the damp go

Your bathroom is not valley hot spring

Why because it is healthier this way

[fringe hare]

I mean why talk about showers and moisture in the lore chat lmao

[hushed steeple]

Because her bathroom is a lore

[fleet saddle]

Anyway, I just thought of something sort of depressing about Sky. I saw a comment on a Sky animatic last night (which was also really depressing and it made me sad), and I just thought of something. You know how the elders bow to you when you finish the V.O.K (Vault of Knowledge (:<) ? Well, although it’s clearly a sign of respect and their way of thanking you, but it could also be their way of showing how proud they are. Why are they proud though? Well, simply because they are proud you can take upon the responsibility of practically saving the world when you are a child, appearance wise and mentality. You were basically ‘ ‘ born ‘ ‘ , and started do your journey, and you didn’t know who you are or even where you are. It’s probably why you seem to copy the emotions of sprits, because you yourself don’t have any personality and have to get it from others.

[hushed steeple]

Fact

[fringe hare]

😭 you kinda right tho, and that is a bit sad. I’m glad we did it but dang we really went thru a lot as a newborn entity

[tulip aspen]

OMG BEEP NO

[fleet saddle]

Yes..it’s quite sad actually. You aren’t even a real person, literally and figuratively. You were born from light, and really your only purpose is helping the elders. You weren’t created to truly enjoy life, just as a tool to help the world from darkness because you are the last piece of hope people have.

[tulip aspen]

i mean yes in game it's there as an example of death incarnate but yeah i think it just got lost xD

[hushed steeple]

So are the elders, they were created by the light too. Humans not exist in sky world, we all gain power from the beginning there.

[tulip aspen]

we're debunking the ascension glow utility a lot today @_@

[sharp lichen]

This is good, but remember that it’s not just you alone. If the Skykid’s goal is to rebuild society, then they’ll need more than one.

[fringe hare]

Canonically aren’t we alone? “Now we call to you” being like the main character as the player. I guess it could mean all of us

Beta Spoilers, tsk tsk

[icy spruce]

1510 hearts

[fringe hare]

Yeah it’s still a beta spoiler tho.

[compact shale]

Please... no beta spoilers in here.

[icy spruce]

Ye no beta spoilers, unless you want to get spoiler’d lmao (aka muted or warned)

[hushed steeple]

Sure

[fringe hare]

That’s a lot of hearts o.o what’s at 1510 hearts

[sharp lichen]

I thought that it would intercept with too much of the gameplay if we’re alone

[icy spruce]

BAUDSHAW I SEE YOU TYPING AND YOU GOTTA PAY YOUR DEBTS

[hushed steeple]

[fringe hare]

I mean it’s an MMO, but I always got the impression we were playing a solo story.. any other thoughts ?

[compact shale]

Please delete this.

[sharp lichen]

What about the spirit that gives you a table?

[tulip aspen]

ye it checks out lol

sure is canon either way

[hushed steeple]

You still png it and brought it up

[fringe hare]

Because there’s still a spoiler in the wrong channel bro come on dude

[icy spruce]

BETA SPOILER, I REPEAT, LORE CHAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED BY A BETA SPOILER, PLEASE EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY

[sharp lichen]

And the 2 player doors?

[compact shale]

Where's the head of countermeasures when we need one?

[tulip aspen]

bruh like the troll said dont bring attention

just ping mods and ignore him

[fringe hare]

Yeahh it’s a multiplayer game 😬😬 we don’t need any of the multiplayer doors for the main story

[icy spruce]

how dare you say seal in french

[tulip aspen]

@zealous sedge

[compact shale]

Harbin is here harbin our savior

[sick obsidian]

@hushed steeple Beta spoilers must be kept to the beta channels please. I will be removing these messages

[fleet saddle]

Furthermore, you/the moth are terrified. From body language, you can see how the moth reacts when giving light to the elders. They’re clearly scared, or anxious at least. This is because they have been brought to the attention of how dire the situation is, and the presser of messing up is strong. They don’t want to mess up with the elders, or just mess up in general.

[fringe hare]

Ooo do they seems distressed? O.O I’ll have to look more closely. I always felt like we were quite unmoved by everything 😂

Just 👁️👁️

[floral grove]

Especially to the Forest elder. Poor moth got its light snatched so fast and it's just like

[fringe hare]

But also like back in the day I feel like skykids wouldn’t be the only ones with light. Spirits could have had candles and such to open doors with eachother

[compact shale]

Why, though? For security reasons? 2FA?

[hushed steeple]

[fringe hare]

Absolutely lol

[sharp lichen]

Okay, but why would a spirit give you a table?

[hushed steeple]

No no u

[fringe hare]

You don’t like furniture ?

[icy spruce]

okay but why won’t you pay your 1510 hearts debt

[compact shale]

Furniture is very significant to them. /hj

[hushed steeple]

I'm new on discord don't know how to remove message, I joined since 2017

[fringe hare]

||must remember not to feed the trolls gah. Megan give me strength||

[compact shale]

MEGAN TAKE THE WHEEEEEL, TAKE IT FROM MY HAAAAAAANDS

[sick obsidian]

I have already removed the necessary messages. If you have any sky related questions please feel free to ask in #questions-and-help. This is the lore discussion channel where Sky lore theories are discussed.

[hushed steeple]

Joined 2017, yes I'm very new in discord. But anyways thank you for understanding and a father hand to help removing the message.

[fringe hare]

I wonder if we need a table to “talk” to spirits too in universe. Like we only ever communicate with gestures just like unfriended players do, maybe the table lets us communicate more clearly with them as well.

[hushed steeple]

Got it father

[sharp lichen]

True. But how can you, a lowly Skykid, do anything to restore the balance of the world? You need help

[buoyant yoke]

So usually I saw peeps in internet they call elders like teth and stuff I just wanted ask if elders has names what is it?

[icy spruce]

Concept names:

Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh
Wasteland: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed

Prince: Alef
King: Resh

note: these are concept names, not official

[fringe hare]

I did it single handedly by collecting all the lights I could and returning them to the fallen initially 😬 I didnt have friends until many deaths later

[lyric isle]

Those are concept names, but some of the community use them despite that.

[sharp lichen]

And what about the ||benches at orbit||?

[fringe hare]

It’s an MMO ;-; but I’m not here to force you to think my way. We can totally save it together if that’s the way you like it 😅

[icy spruce]

what’s mmo

[buoyant yoke]

This is just a funny theory I am giving since we all moths(vertans or stuff)
We all Children I think we all candles I mean we can melt smh and need light and warmness alot and the most thing is we sell our siblings

[fringe hare]

Massive multiplayer online (game)

[fleet saddle]

That actually brings up another point. Along with my theory of you being emotionless, whenever you interact with the elders, you appear to reflect off of them. You just go with the flow basically, and watch what happens.

[buoyant yoke]

So actually I think we all Children are mute since we have hidden chats usually and we collect spirits to use emotes and speak to strangers smh with it yk like maybe we're deaf or mute spirit's help you to learn language usually

[tulip aspen]

holds back "moths should need more spirits to enter eden" rant

@compact shale remember when thats all id talk about in cozy

people hated me for that
prolly the reason why so many people blocked me /:

[sharp lichen]

I always thought that gratitude (a main theme in Sky) should be carried over to real-life people. Also so much mechanics are based on interaction with others that your theory would segment gameplay and more a bit too much

[buoyant yoke]

I never noticed dat-

[fringe hare]

My only argument is that all of the benches and doors and multiplayer things could very well have been, in universe, for use between the spirits 😬 I’m not gonna fight for my point beyond that. It can be anything we want @sharp lichen it’s not like al of the doors and benches were built when skykids were born. We fell into their world prebuilt and ruined with nothing to do with us. They made doors, and benches, and things and such all without our existence necessary or relevant.

[compact shale]

I don't remember but I do agree that would be a much better idea

Getting 20 wl is easy, getting all the spirits as a pre-requisite would prove that you've been through a lot in the world lol

[fringe hare]

Kinda curious why we should need more spirits to enter eden in your eyes 👀 unless it’s not related to lore at all

[buoyant yoke]

Is it true all elders are ||death|| and just Last elder who is vault elder is the one being alive still ?

I mean. Like the cutsence the last we sit down in vault to go to Eden is like that smh 👀

[icy spruce]

Kinda, just between life and death (aka, limbo)

[buoyant yoke]

Lol- I mean I think their all death cause after we give our WL to the death ones who just turned to candles at last XD
They be there after life

[icy spruce]

what, anyways uhh they’re not dead (but between life and death???)

all elders

[buoyant yoke]

I think everyone who passed Eden for first time are death and just ghosts or smt like you're not the person before Eden-

Btw I think those children or peeps who tryed to reach Eden castle are the ones who failed..but I am thinking why there is an Eden castle and why these all happened

@icy spruce yeah I mean smt like dat as well- maybe uh

[icy spruce]

same, I also think the statues you see are the people (or skids if you believe the 4th gen theory) that didn’t make it

[fringe hare]

4th gen theory? 👀 what about 1-3? Which one are we in now?😳

Oh goodness that seems like a whole basket of eggs

[buoyant yoke]

I usually don't look around theory's in this game but I am start loving to seek out but I'd would like to see or hear 1-4 gen theory's If it's ok >_> 👀

Someone pls tell me the theories👀

[sharp lichen]

That theory is sound, until you get to ||orbit. As far as I know, the orbit area before the doors is Skykid-exclusive.||

[icy spruce]

1st gen : statues that crumbled when we get near them
2nd gen : blue crystal statues (that we can’t save)
3rd gen : the fallen (aka the one we give our WLs to)
4th gen : us

[fringe hare]

The elders be up there.

[buoyant yoke]

So basically in 4th gen we trying save our selves?!?

[icy spruce]

what no, we’re trying to save the 3rd gen

[buoyant yoke]

Btw isn't ||orbit an oob? If it's not then what is it- oh wait you mean after we save fallens?||

[sharp lichen]

That’s a different theory altogether, one that I’m not so sure of

[icy spruce]

No need to spoiler and orbit is not an oob

Orbit is literally the space thing

[fringe hare]

You haven’t seen the elders in orbit? They stand there chilling with you after you’ve completed constellations. Maybe the chat table is for me to talk to forest mommy

[buoyant yoke]

Oop- btw I meanted if we be in 4th gen theory we trying save our selves ??

I am having a theory that we always try ruin Eden castle..

[icy spruce]

ye ik, anyways no we’re trying to save the 3rd gen not the 4th gen (aka us)

We are the 4th gen

they’re prolly ‘the children of light’

[fringe hare]

Holy crap I keep editing messages instead of sending new ones, it’s killing me

[icy spruce]

we all do

since the cooldown is so dang long

[fringe hare]

I…… considering some things based on those things and now all my thoughts are broken. Back to the drawing board 😂

[icy spruce]

I- ok

[fringe hare]

Realized I’ve been assuming “children of the light” to be skykids. Which we might be, but most definitely not exclusively. Which makes a big mess in my head lmao

The winged light (probably) aren’t skykids either. I’m thinking they’re “the fallen” And if that’s how it is, then statues in eden are also probably not skykids, but fallen stars (winged light) that were unlucky and got petrified for landing in the storm or something.. and need whole saving to return to the sky like they do after we fall… but we fall and make a new statue just like the ones already there so maybe they are us… 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[icy spruce]

oh hi Paul

[distant turtle]

It is mysterious what we're doing in Eden. I assume the statues are meant to represent other sky kids, but why were they there?

[fringe hare]

I wonder 😵‍💫

[buoyant yoke]

No one knows I usually Wana know( @distant turtle )

how the dark creatures came like krills and crabs Ik it probab contacts to Eden we all trying save the fallen ones and Eden ?? Maybe Eden is a bad or good place no one knows it's just so confusing- like I think the king or queen in the Eden castle are so hungry to eat our sky kid souls- ;-;

[distant turtle]

If we look at Journey, I think there may not be a concrete answer

[buoyant yoke]

DEVS Wana blown up our mind

[fringe hare]

I feel like Eden was meant to be a good thing, but went terribly wrong. Over ambitious.. but heck that’s such a speculation.

Journey tho.. those guys brough themselves to their own graves via greed and in fighting ;-; MAYBE that happened here too but it’s such a bigger maybe

[buoyant yoke]

I didn't played journey to know if there is smy Eden like there but maybe you're right maybe after all kingdoms everything were going to be good and Eden supposed be a rlly big and nice kingdom and then suddenly an enemy came to corrupt and destroy all the kingdoms ;-;

[compact shale]

We don't know who those skykids are, but in an earlier iteration, I think they wanted to imply that they were your friends. Apparently they used to have your friends' names on them.

We don't know what the statues are in the current iteration tho.

[distant turtle]

We carry the light we collected up the mountain so it can ascend, helping to restore a cycle of light that was disturbed. I think you're right and the statues are supposed to be our friends and fellow players.

[buoyant yoke]

Imagine one time all of these ends it will be sad as well

[compact shale]

Quite heart-wrenching, isn't it. If we consider the shiny bois with our friends' names on them, it could be assumed that this theory still holds. Guahhh... how can we end this cycle?

[buoyant yoke]

I think they used be spirits 👀 ?

[fringe hare]

Maybe skykids are only born to ascend and become stars.. which fell in the calamity giving us WL all over the world and ones stuck in eden.. so we needa collect and resume the flow like Paul says 🤔

[buoyant yoke]

Or kids who turned old and turned to spirits?

@fringe hare yes maybe it were that and were probably one time be like them- I mean we and them could be same?

[distant turtle]

When I think about the implications and try to make headcanon for the winged light it's too sad

[compact shale]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

how futile...

[tulip aspen]

no its not it's completely a gameplay topic, but story wise it'd also convey so much more

[buoyant yoke]

Maybe the WL are the stars from the fallen ones as @fringe hare said- smh

They trying help us and want us help them but sadly we can't

[fringe hare]

Feel free to dm me the whole rant at some point if there is one and you’d wanna share. Am curious

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve mentioned before why the “skykids are emotionless” interpretation has its issues: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

All other beings of light have emotions. Just because skykids don’t express them doesn’t mean they don’t have them. And even then, you note that they seem anxious around the elders — is that not an emotion they natively had?

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a quote going around from the devs that winged light are “imprints of the children of light” which makes you wonder...

[distant turtle]

I think that quote was singular, "imprints of the child of light" although it may have been a translation. I forgot.

[buoyant yoke]

I'm not gonna seek out a cool theory y'all are too cool and overrated

[fringe hare]

Oof, your reasoning hits home.. they sure look blank. But could totally be bursting inside with a million things only expressible by various degrees of shouting.. until they meet friends who can show them how to let the things out in a more understandable way. Deep<3

[fringe hare]

If anyone can find this quote that’s going around that would be awesome

[frigid tinsel]

You can also find it on the fandom wikia entry for winged light but here’s the img of the quote

[compact shale]

I made a theory about the skykids learning empathy from the spirits
(it started out from a misspell)

I once thought that the prompt was "relieve" the spirit's memories
Relieve: cause (pain, distress, or difficulty) to become less severe or serious.

There is some pain from their past that we are helping to alleviate

But it's actually "relive"
re-live

We skykids don't know anything when we're born, but as we re-live more Spirit's memories, we learn empathy (for the more just-for-fun emotes it's just imitation)

which is why spirits give us emotes

[tulip aspen]

whatever and whoever they are, all we know is they come from CotL

[buoyant yoke]

So we usually don't rlly Wana be WL that's why we give our WL to the fallen ones?

If we say it's imprints sky kids and were the sky kids.. we are the stars who is fighting the rule actually and trying don't be WL ... ;-; ?

[fringe hare]

“Come from Cotl” doesn’t mean much to me at this moment, and that picture is kind of a chaotic mess on first impression. 😂

Could you explain a lil more for my understanding?

||smells like Megan theory, which I like||

[buoyant yoke]

Same

[fringe hare]

Hm hm hmm.. I’ll have to find those videos some day and hear how they said it. “Imprints of a CoL” cooooulda been meaning like ‘each one is an imprint of a child’.. like they’re left by individual children each.. but I can also interpret it as one child leaving them all from that wording.. tricky tricky

Maybe they are all footprints of the one shiny boi we meet in limbo when we fall and resurrect

[tulip aspen]

i call the primordial mass of light we see in orbit "The Sky"
everything belongs to it and flows in out and from it
children of the light (CotL) are stars in the Sky that fell to earth and became ancestors, but the newest generation (us) didn't fall, we were sent

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[buoyant yoke]

Someone give me smt to make theory of

[frigid tinsel]

Winged light is like extra power to skykids. They only need their flame to function, but winged light is an addendum that grants them a new ability. Perhaps it’s presence wasn’t intended as a power-up, but once skykids became plentiful, they were made to be or came to be able to utilize winged light as a power-up, whether to fly at all or the strengthen our cape.

Since they are imprints they are merely the impression of skykids, not skykids converted into something else but something their presence has left behind. One cannot become winged light, but one or more skykids do make them by just existing in the world in addition to some other factor.

One theory suggests they appear where many skykids have been and coalesce into winged light, like creating a well-treaded path in the woods by many footsteps — hence why they appear in the same spots. My own theory suggests that when a skykid dies to darkness, some manifestation of their now delit flame is flung out by the storm and scattered across the world. In-game they may be in the same spot for accessibility but in-universe they could land anywhere.

We do know that winged light did not exist before skykids existed because they are never depicted in murals or spirit memories.

[tulip aspen]

perfect analysis!
mind if i steal?
i may add it to the research folder some time

[buoyant yoke]

Yeah we know that they didn't exist first we exist first so maybe they are fallen stars hmm

[frigid tinsel]

As long as you credit me

Oof someone got beaned

[tulip aspen]

riiiip poor beap

[fringe hare]

I been getting a lot of that and idk why. What I do wrong

[neat flint]

Idk if it's allowed but

[tulip aspen]

i might want to rewrite it, and ill still credit you but ill show you the rewritten/reorganized version when i do

[compact shale]

Phones of the future, everyone.

[buoyant yoke]

How and why

[fringe hare]

Anybody know why this keeps happening? I wait my turn and I keep getting good messages shot down .-.

No chance I retype that whole thought. It’s a bummer

[tulip aspen]

what is that supposed to be tho

[compact shale]

The phone of the future, Jammy.

[icy spruce]

kekw

[neat flint]

I saw it on instagram and it has isle b4 the star fell(?) image so i wanna post these here

[tulip aspen]

some word must have been banned la sigh

skybot sucks

ive ASKED A MILLION TIMES for mods to consider asking whoever needs to be asked about making the bot dm us what we said wrong smh

they always just give me those weird non-answers

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a bot that deletes messages with blacklisted words. It’s annoying. Make sure you copy your text before sending in case the bot snipes you, then paste it back in the text box and edit out words that may be read as “not family friendly”

[fringe hare]

Sigh. I know what word it was and I understand but am also sad that it’s necessary to block that as it was a genuine thought.

Thanks for explain

[frigid tinsel]

Honestly I may just make my own Google Doc at this point. Maybe this will be my winter break project.

[icy spruce]

manta j u ic e is censored

And (mant) slush and slushie and shake

[scarlet delta]

my own name is censored in sky smh people have to go like w a l o u u u u u

[icy spruce]

Goo o mba is censored I think

Nvm

[neat flint]

Goomba 💀

[scarlet delta]

lol thats forbidden get krilled bruh

[frigid tinsel]

This is my favorite case of the censor gone mad

[icy spruce]

(S)quirrels (i)n (m)y (p)ants is censored tho

Uh hwhat else

[buoyant yoke]

LOL YOU'RE PFP IS ICONIC

[fringe hare]

Oh my lmao 😂 it’s been so bad lately

[lofty void]

The word “gay” is also censored 😃 (for some reason)

[fringe hare]

Is that aggressive blow kiss spam?😂

[buoyant yoke]

😹😹 yes but it's so cool LMAO

[frigid tinsel]

you can say “gay” and “I’m gay” and “I’m not gay” but not “you gay”

[icy spruce]

okay so uh, we’re making a doc of censored discord words ig

[sick obsidian]

Please do not attempt to circumvent the filter.

[scarlet delta]

spam kiss emote is life

[icy spruce]

sorry

we were trying to get all of the uhh censored discord words so that we can avoid typing it

[tulip aspen]

i hope one day my research folder will become popularized

tis the dream lol

ah well

[fringe hare]

Gimme the link!

[frigid tinsel]

One time at a meditiation shrine I said “queer pride” and got censored for “violating community guidelines” but when I put it again on another shrine it wasnt.

[buoyant yoke]

Yas but sadly I don't have nitro to use it so
Spam below kiss😹😹

[tulip aspen]

definitely, wouldnt want to say chipmunk amirite yall

OMG HARBIN WAS THAT A TEASE
XD THAT WAS AWESOME

[fringe hare]

wait I didn’t get to read the insight

[tulip aspen]

enjoy

i update it with new docs or info at least once a week
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp

[frigid tinsel]

Wouldn’t it be cool if we linked to each other docs in our docs?

[sick obsidian]

And to give a bit of insight into why the filter list isn’t shared is both because they are words filtered for a reason, and shouldn’t be getting said here, along with having the list can then make things easier to circumvent which ruins the point of it in the first place.

[sick obsidian]

That was me pressing enter too early

As for the in game censor that’s beyond discord and beyond what I know. If you have feedback about that direct it towards #live-feedback

[fringe hare]

Could I talk you into sending me that hyperlink on DM so I can pin and not lose it? Am a slow reader lol

[tulip aspen]

but i havent been asking for a list

just what i said wrong, when i said it, so i can just leave it out when retyping

also skybot shouldn't just dm us what we said wrong, but our entire message back to us, so that we can recover it smh

(im not yelling at you, just frustrated about the bot in general)

[sick obsidian]

For something like that feel free to leave feedback in #contact-the-mods

Generally if you’ve posted a large message it’s best to copy it before sending, but please feel free to ask about it in the contact channel if you’re unsure why it is being censored.

[frigid tinsel]

I guess what we can draw from this is that canonically skykids can’t swear /hj

[icy spruce]

does skids even know how to swear

[frigid tinsel]

They pick it up from the adult ancestors or older skykids

[compact shale]

Honk has a built-in censor system /hj

[frigid tinsel]

But wait, there are some cuss words that pass the in-game filter. I say them all the time.
Parents: no swearing in this good Christian household.
Me: okay
Me at college: *}|€£]]¥~+{€]!~¥{•\£

[compact shale]

Ha. Lets not mention it.

[tulip aspen]

we been know, but yes thanks

[fringe hare]

The “Angsty Hairflipper” spirit in the back alley of village of dreams taught me my bad words😂

[lofty void]

glances at the Valley Elders yup can confirm

[rigid mural]

Honestly think this is just a model error tbh, might need to ask Ash or Ktjn if the spirit in Ushering Stargazer's memory is Refusing Voyager or their twin.

[hushed steeple]

It won’t let you say finish it because it will create a frankenstines curse out of two completely innocent words

In game not the discord

[rigid mural]

Did we get confirmation outside of the japanese interview that the elders are the stars that fell ?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t think so. Old intro could even be debated, since the entire constellation falls, including the elder space. But also could just rep ancestors. Hope for clarification somepoint. (And that we catch a dev to swarm with this question)

[rigid mural]

Yeah thought so. I think I will start disregarding stuff that came from streams no longer available.

On another topic, did anyone figure out what song was bird whisperer's sheet for ? Whale whisperer got the "king" leitmotif (plays in some intros, GW elder cutscene and end of Vault), Manta whisperer got the "light" leitmotif (some intros and the song sung when you make your way to orbit), but what bird whisperer got eludes me. It's a super fast song too

[hushed steeple]

It one of my favorites. Most sheet music is original. I long wish the in game tunes where was catchy. My 1 favorite is yeti song.

Honestly the two tunes they use as the opening, I think are way over used, and they appear everywhere, and take forever when they open seasonal areas. I like the last piano melody in the credits much more. I wish it was the overused theme instead. Even if jts the same song technically, that ending beautiful part is rarely heard.

[rigid mural]

Can't relate, I think the two leitmotifs I cited are absolutely dope, especially when one comes after the other.

Btw did anyone have a theory on what the flame in praying acolyte's last memory fragment was ? Maybe this shows spirits really do become flames when they kick the bucket ? What a melancholic memory...

King leitmotif in vault btw

[hushed steeple]

Thats the one bhhhhh
Guess im happy to know its only myself who thinks so.

[rigid mural]

I like that it makes a diamond shape on the keyboard

[fringe hare]

Oooou awesome! How appropriate that it makes a diamond too òwó

[fleet saddle]

@frigid tinsel sorry, meant personality.

[pastel brook]

munches popcorn

[sharp lichen]

Man, we need a list of all leitmotifs in Sky

[sharp lichen]

That one? I always thought it was a main theme, after all it appears in the intro

[rigid mural]

Idk what the devs call it, personally I call it king or darkness leitmotif because of the diamond shape and the moments it's played.

[tulip aspen]

bru-

[tulip aspen]

EXACTLY THANK YOU

[rigid mural]

In the new intro, ancestors grew numerous thanks to the stars being united providing the "infinite light" and build their kingdom in the clouds before darkness comes and causes the stars to fall.
Note that thunder is seen and heard at that last part, so the darkness coming could have been at the same time if not causing/caused by the Eden cataclysm.

We know from the Flight character intros ancestors could interact with elders since apprentices are a thing, so the elders were at least within their reach before things went so awry it destroyed an entire civilization.

From the stormy mural being the last telling us about the ancestors history, and the narrator immediately panning to our time with us falling to this world, I think it's fair to assume that stars falling were shortly followed by the ancestral civilization.

[tulip aspen]

here's all notations of the voice saying "our/we/us" or mentioning others

OLD

"with the Stars, our light was infinite"

stars=kingdom builders="with the ancestors"

"the Stars fell..."

"the Stars made a home in the clouds"

the clouds=kingdom

"if only they had listened"

NEW

the spirits belong to the Sky, and the Sky and those who remain trapped down in the world are the same, but apart

"With the stars united, Our light was infinite.."

our=Sky

"..and together we lived in harmony."
All beings of light in the Sky, forever dancing

VOICE CONNECTED TO SPIRITS
{bad narrative writing time :D}

it suddenly jumps to those living in the world
Stars is now just some lame light v dark balance
spirit=spirits of CotL still in the world

"As spirits, we soon became many."

Sky says We because spirits belong back in Sky

"..creating our home here in the clouds."

Sky refers kingdom builders (it supports them?)

VOICE SWITCHING TO SKY
"The stars fell, and with their light We faded away."

"We"=Sky, their=.... spirits/what spirits did?

"Now we call to you."

The Sky needs your help

"Draw near, so we may start you on you journey."

The Sky will send you earthbound

"Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms."

definitely not spirits anymore, could be elders but..

"Our elders would usher them Skyward"

so it's not the elders either

"Other Elders wait.."

"Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light."

definitely the Sky talking

.
i still really can't believe the elders use the royal we ngl

[rigid mural]

The royal we ?
Also I think that in "with their light we faded away", "their" refers to the stars

[tulip aspen]

yeah that specifically was just a stretch of mine lolol

"the stars" seem to be like.....
:0
the connection between the Sky and the spirits maybe??
(nah that still sounds like a stretch dam)
so maybe "the stars falling" in the second intro is the spirits breaking away from the Sky, and then war and bad practices break out

[tulip aspen]

oh wait not royal we im thinking of another phrase about when someone talks about themselves in 3rd person

the voice explicitly says "the elders did this one thing"

if the voice really was the elders it would say "we, the elders of the realms, who are also very awesome and so attractive and loved by everyone-"

[rigid mural]

The voice in the intro doesn't mention elders tho, only does so when you enter the temple

[tulip aspen]

i wouldnt believe it's a different voice, if that's what you're implying

hm, is there any justification towards it being a completely different voice?

the new stuff added around and about the temple are still technically part of the intro

we never hear this voice again after the isle of dawn after all

[rigid mural]

Yeah but I was talking about the intro lol

[distant turtle]

It seems like the spirits are telling the tale the whole time.

[tulip aspen]

the ones in the Sky, yes

[tulip aspen]

that second part in the temple is part of the new intro

[rigid mural]

Ok, what do you consider the intro ? For me it's a up until you come out the cave in isle.

Afaik that's the first mention of elders in the game

[tulip aspen]

"2021 - The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival... ...and your light. "With the stars united, our light was infinite... ...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell... ...and with their light we faded away. A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars." Draw near, so we may start you on the journey... At last, child...you are ready. Begin by answering the temple's call. --> Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms... ...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed. --> Other Elders wait in distant temples to be awakened. Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light."

as per fruity's documentation

[rigid mural]

When are the lines starting by "draw near" ?

[tulip aspen]

it only plays when you first journey through isle
cos it's an intro addendum lol

3:43
https://youtu.be/7ICnt_pT_ro

[rigid mural]

Thanks a lot !
Still "Ancestor Elder" huh... perhaps the elders being something other than an ancestor was retconned and instead they are greater ancestors (possibly thanks to dark stone ?) hence why the ancestors are cited with a more active role in the upward migration of light...

Another theory for the narrator: they're the spirit of a light creature
Hence their separation from both ancestors and elders but not from the world of Sky; "our light", "our home" (at least birds certainly got a home near ancestors), "our realms", "our elders"...
And we do see light creatures in Orbit !

[tulip aspen]

p sure that direct dev quote of skykids and elders being "different species" is still very relevant

i dont think anything got retconned there

they really dont seem like ancestors, and moreso deities, directly sent by the Sky, like ive always said

[rigid mural]

I mean yeah but sky kids not being elders doesn't mean elders could not have been spirits before

[tulip aspen]

are we still canonchasing or should i hide in my hole tho

[rigid mural]

Man, I don't care...

[tulip aspen]

sorry...
I'll go

[rigid mural]

I meant I don't care about canonchasing

[rich zenith]

I think we need some anatomy on all of the creatures in sky to make a good guess of what could be connected

[harsh pecan]

What could be connected in their anatomy or…

[slender panther]

hi 🤣

[rich zenith]

It’d be helpful to know so WE know that for example “the elders are spirits” (that might not be true just an example)
It’d also connect how the world of sky works

[harsh pecan]

Yea, but we don’t know much about Sky anatomy to begin with

[shut trellis]

to be honest i used to always think that ancestors and elders were the same species but uh that could be(and i heard that they arent) wrong.

[compact shale]

What does that have to do with it?

[hushed steeple]

Are skykids blind

[harsh pecan]

Maybe

[frigid tinsel]

very likely not

[icy spruce]

prolly

[fringe hare]

The eyes are cosmetic and we canonically make our way around with aggressive honking echolocation
||joking lol I don’t think that’s the case||

[hushed steeple]

I see

Have yall seen the Sky Nintendo Switch trailer? I noticed there was a creater of light that kinda looked like a krill?

[compact shale]

We chibis instincitvly turn our neccs to the taller spirits/skykids around us :)

[hushed steeple]

Creature* of light*

[fringe hare]

Yeah it looked like one of the whales bois to me, Like from Sanctuary. If you mean the one they were riding on the back of with their house and stuff

[hushed steeple]

Yes at the begging of it. The whale creature with the one eye and moved like a krill

[compact shale]

Yeah, that guy!

[hushed steeple]

Personally I think that was a krill before the sky lost its stars and darkness came to be. Like this darkness turned creatures into hostile entities

[compact shale]

Yeah. When darkness corrupted this creature their light flesh fell off and their skeleton became the krill we know and love'nt

[hushed steeple]

Scary😖 But amazing storyline
I can't wait to see how the story officially unfolds in the future

[floral grove]

The fact that Sky Kids can honk and then know exactly where to go (evident by the Light showing them the way) seems quite like echolocation to me. Also I use deep honks to find my way around dark areas because the white translucent bubble that comes with the deep honk shows the outlines of the objects so I guess that's kinda like echolocation?

[shut trellis]

i think they use echolocation but they arent blind

[floral grove]

I was gonna say that. The fact that they can navigate pretty well even with closed eyes (Maskless) means they probably can use echolocation whilst not being blind

[shut trellis]

although their eyes seem like they just shine light everywhere so maybe not perfect vision anyways.(i dont think that logic made any sense)

[shut trellis]

i think closed eyes were just a design choice but yeah. plot twist: the hole in their chest is a third eye

[mystic cosmos]

What are the symbols in the first picture? Also, I remember a while ago we were talking about how the vault seems to get larger? In the second picture it looks like the vault is falling away and breaking apart.

[floral grove]

If the Vault starts off as narrow and starts getting bigger in the upper floors, I can't imagine the structural stability of the building. But then again, if I'm not mistaken, it's embedded in a mountain so

[tulip aspen]

the widely accepted theory is that it is embedded in a mountain yes

[tulip aspen]

however, because we meditate on the elevator, we know for sure the illusion is in our mind

and because of that i would believe the shape of the architecture is just an illusion too

Mindscape Analysis
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5N140v47F1FLuWHHRITYwEiLbptLZQFf0Lph-57XDE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

the best example is deep calling working like a weak sonar

you can see it bounce across the walls, outlining the shape of the space around you

[floral grove]

Didn't know Eden is actually a mountain. I've always thought of it as a bunch of rubble that stacked up to each other because of the storm

[hushed steeple]

But why do skykids touch a surface when they run into it? It looks like they are feeling their surroundings

[shut trellis]

They are young kids, they are learning and experiencing their surroundings. Kids tend to touch things they see, i think

[hushed steeple]

Ooohh I see

[tulip aspen]

i mean putting your arms on a wall as you pass it is instinctual

you see that happen in many many other games

[hushed steeple]

Smart enough to dodge a monster and know how to fly but still learning their surroundings

God I love this topic

[shut trellis]

skykidsamiright

[hushed steeple]

I think theres wayyy to many meditation circles to count every one as a dream

[floral grove]

I mean, we're also smart enough to dodge predators and know how to run but we still explore quite a lot in unfamiliar territory

[hushed steeple]

The very boring and annoying boat to ark is more like a nightmare.....

But they reach out as if they are trying to feel something ya know? Slow arm movement rising with a light touch

Heh I'm overthinking it.

They trying to rest and look cool but now everyone assume they are blind

[shut trellis]

o yeah, also i dont think skykids would really choose certain cosmetics especially the ones that are the same as the base cape but in different colors. why the heck would you pay fifty hearts for a cape that feels the same if you can't even see the colors???

[floral grove]

Fair point

[hushed steeple]

Well that's the players doing. No I'm overthinking it again

They can feel color

I think the real overthinking is trying to theorise about the mentality and personality of skykids......when they are players and prolly think whatever you think when you play.

Yeah probably. It shouldn't matter anyways bc skykids are cute

[shut trellis]

synesthesia?

[hushed steeple]

Theres whole discussions about the affects of disassociating from your player character, so I guess it becomes more like an ocs then.

[hushed steeple]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised! They live off of light, can fly with "light", and can be reborn like nothing happened

They are just full of wonder huh

God the lore of this game drives me insane🤣

[shut trellis]

thats what i thought too.
every emotion we feel from isle with confusion to eden with both determination and fear in hand. we want to complete the game so we do eden(that is our mission) and skykids do eden to finish their mission. the mindset may be different but the emotions on our first run of sky prolly reflect the skykids'

[compact shale]

Sure does. aAAAAAAA

Fun, though.

[tulip aspen]

yeah fr
the rabid honking and emote spam energy, the sitting and chatting, the music, the interactions

we self project onto our characters, and getting the ability to emote, express via clothing, and chat with those who are close to us?

all of that, all the stereotypes and expected things you'd see from the average player and full social area

that's canon to me
it's human
it's just skykids, living, interacting, connecting, constantly

skykids are technically blank slates, but the characteristics we give them is canon

[compact shale]

Fourth wall break go brrt

[hushed steeple]

Do skykids actually eat dark crabs

[shut trellis]

i think ancestors ate them, idk about skykids although probably.... not. i dont see a mouth, although that is also probably because it would just look better in terms of character design

[tulip aspen]

it's not fourth wall tho

it's not a "they know theyre inside a game" moment like no mans sky or superhot lolol

we ourselves tell the story of the new generation of CotL... by playing the game
those characteristics we give them are them, and they are canon

[frigid tinsel]

i headcanon that maskless skykids keep their eyes closed as courtesy cos if they opened their eyes without a mask, they'd be blinding beams of light.

[compact shale]

Hidden dark side of skykids /j

[hushed steeple]

With how much bumping my kid has to deal with I can safely say:

Yes. Yes, they do touch things.
But it seems like it doesn't hurt them a lot...

[tulip aspen]

i want to never think about it, fruity has tried to make me lolol

@frigid tinsel thats actually a really cute and fitting idea

similar to my concept

[frigid tinsel]

skykids don't feel pain (unless inflicted with darkness)

[shut trellis]

imagine 1000 skykids with no mask and eyes open just wandering around

[hushed steeple]

More cursed than krill

[tulip aspen]

id say thats very accurate, especially with the bonk mechanic gone (BRING IT BACK TGC MAKE THE GAME ACTUALLY CHALLENGING AGAIN)

[floral grove]

I used to think that the entirety of a Sky Kid's face is just a surface full of light and the mask hides that light except for the eyes so it would look like they have eyes but that theory of mine got shutdown pretty much instantly the moment the Sky Kids started to blink

[hushed steeple]

Enough to scare them to the far end of the world.

[shut trellis]

bonk damage:
i dont exist anymore i guess

[frigid tinsel]

bonk mechanic? what was that?

[hushed steeple]

That's what I think it is🤣

[shut trellis]

i didnt experience it but i heard that when you fly or roll hard into a wall or smthin, you lose some light

[frigid tinsel]

oof
kinda still happens in Eden but ig those are dark rocks

[harsh pecan]

Oh really? I should try

[tulip aspen]

early in Sky's launch days, if you hit something hard while flying, you'd lose a flap or your flame and then even wl if you dont have any of the former

you know that "Ding!" sound that happens when you crash into things? that's what remains of the mechanic; they kept the sound in

so just imagine that every time you hear that "Ding!", you'd lose a flap

you'd fly a lot more carefully ehehe

[hushed steeple]

There are some things Skykids are eager to touch.
Most of them are fires, other light sources and other Skykids.

[shut trellis]

its too bad its gone i wish we were allowed to turn it on again

[hushed steeple]

It's funny to think that skykids love to touch fire

[harsh pecan]

I think it’s better if it’s gone, I don’t want to lose light by hitting a wall

[shut trellis]

Okay, fair. It would be pretty annoying. Like getting krilled, but in any possible realm.

[hushed steeple]

I mean. They collect the burning wax.

[shut trellis]

That makes me wonder of the body temperature of skykids

[hushed steeple]

Kids: fire gud

[hushed steeple]

And I wonder if water actually brings them discomfort. Like they can handle swimming but not rain?!?!

[hushed steeple]

Well...

They can ignite candles at will if they have enough light...

[frigid tinsel]

bonks mechanic suggests that skykids could lose light if whacked hard enough. my assumption so far is that they can only lose light by trauma if the thing that hits them has darkness and thus is able to break open their shell – at least temporarily before they heal themselves closed quickly. they do have that hole in their chest winged light goes in and out of, perhaps they'd get frazzled and lose grip of their light.

[tulip aspen]

i mean it should definitely get nerfed if it returned

i think it should just only take, say, half of a flap's worth of energy

either way tho you'd have to be really trying to die in order to get your last flap dead and THEN break thru your flame to lose WL after

so i dont think its that bad
moreso just an inconvenience

[hushed steeple]

Oh wait guys. The candle you pull out of nowhere actually comes from the skykids chest. There's a little light on your chest and when you grab your candle, it comes from there.

[frigid tinsel]

mobile controls are hard enough

[hushed steeple]

My guess is that this rain does contain darkness in it. The water in wastelands does have the same properties.

So that means they really must be hot. LIKE REALLY HOT

[shut trellis]

I think it depends, the water could have light in it. And the polluted water(wasteland) would be filled with darkness so they couldnt survive long. And the rain in the hidden forest, it could be polluted too.

[frigid tinsel]

yup, that's likely their flame. it might be an actual hole given when delit, the hole is still there, just black.

[tulip aspen]

i mean not really but /hj

[frigid tinsel]

i grew up on xbox controllers, of course when i learned i could connect one via bluetooth to my phone, i did it. mobile controls hard.

[floral grove]

And considering that the Forest is located quite near Eden (compared to the two former places), it does make sense that the rain in the forest contains some darkness. I mean, Eden does have a storm after all so maybe the clouds in the Forest came from some of the clouds that got flung off from Eden as the storm was brewing

[hushed steeple]

That is a believable theory.

Light is actually a metal and skykids are furnaces full of molten light

[shut trellis]

Creatures of metal

[floral grove]

Are Sky Kids made of the same materials as Ancestors?

[tulip aspen]

yes they were hard for all of us as moffs ehe
it kinda just has to take getting used to it imo

[hushed steeple]

sniffs in lagging

[hushed steeple]

Prolly. And light creatures. They can have different skin tones though. I don’t think its a material easily explained with real world logic. It rock hard heaven skin.

[floral grove]

Pretty much the Sky equivalent of flesh I guess

[harsh pecan]

Probably not

[hushed steeple]

Yeah! Whats flesh made of? Huh? Huh?!

[shut trellis]

i personally find it to contribute to a skykid's adventure itself too, because when they woke up, they were probably a bit confused without much knowledge of how to fly. So its making us see this situation for ourselves

[hushed steeple]

Cells.

Then sky flesh is sky cells

Skykids are made out of other kids bc they steal winged light from them👁️ 👄 👁️

[tulip aspen]

definitely!

[hushed steeple]

That would be like finding sacks of blood just sitting around that you could then add to your bloodstream to beef yourself up.

And to make things worse the sacks are shaped like lifesized people

That's what I'm sayin

Here's another topic: Why all of Sky creatures are able to fly? More than that, why there are almost no plants besides enormous trees and some grass? All the magic aside, it can be because the planet of Sky is severely different from Earth, not just in gravitation aspect, but also in things like atmosphere, air, gases and so on.

Shaped like don’t make a full kid.

[floral grove]

I don't think all Sky creatures can fly. If they could, Ancestors wouldn't be using boats as a way to traverse the kingdom

[hushed steeple]

They can float, can't they?

They do emit a harmony though......

Ancestors can be seen riding sky creatures too though

[hushed steeple]

Prince's Rose: am I a joke to you?!

[hushed steeple]

There are a few exceptions, yes, like small bluish trees in some areas.
Exceptions.

[hushed steeple]

Would dark plants count?

I think another thing I still think is canon from concept art is that sky kids can fly BECAUSE they are part light creature. You can argue its concept art, but the concept is demonstrating visual design story that still has its visual element in the final game.

[hushed steeple]

Are they even alive to be plants in the first place?

[floral grove]

The planet of Sky might have lower gravity than us . Literal 2 feet children can jump twice their height with those legs

[hushed steeple]

Well they grow back, so yes

Well ig that makes them more of a fungi

Also in the gnosom presentation the designer said “well its not perfect” about the skykid’s design

How dare he

[tulip aspen]

the trees are made of stone, seemingly made of petrified wood

beings of light are able to fly because they are from the Sky (study on the Sky https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk)

krills are just corrupted creatures of light (Light Dragon from nintendo trailer) so that's why they fly too

[hushed steeple]

No, no, it's like...
Aren't they minerals? Or really close to minerals. They can form only where the darkness prevails and they doesn't spread much without it. They can't really grow, per se.

[harsh pecan]

[hushed steeple]

That only amplifies the power of my theory!

But actually - thank you.

[tulip aspen]

tom zhao's concept does not say they are part light creature but that's an interesting headcanon

[void otter]

ooo nice theory 👁️👄👁️

[hushed steeple]

True, they got the connected part, and the colors, closer to the side of light creatures. But never actually said part actual creature and ancestor.........but yeah its totally my forever headcanon now

More accurately on that graph, more like hybrids of connected and apathy.

Theory: skykids are birbs

[tulip aspen]

in a way it still technically is true alongside my research

everything comes from the Sky so yeah everything is technically from the same Light

[hushed steeple]

Skykids with antenna

[hushed steeple]

Here's a point towards this:

They return to the Sky after saving souls from the Eden, becoming quite literally the stars.

[floral grove]

the Rito race of Sky

[compact shale]

But then we get reborn... why? Is it because we haven't completed our purpose yet?

[tulip aspen]

yepyep that's literally my research ehe

glad to see another intellectual like vela and i

[hushed steeple]

[hushed steeple]

My guess is that they don't want to stop until everyone will be saved.

[tulip aspen]

did you just ask a rhetorical question

that was scarily big brain fruity

[hushed steeple]

I see returning as a reward for doing your best.

However.

One theory states you are not actually supposed to die in a eden run....before reaching the diamond. Thats why stone kids are heading for it.

[icy spruce]

I’m not sure if that’s you Meow or if it’s another person that coincidentally has a similar name to u but hi Meow

[compact shale]

Someday, everyone will be with us in Orbit... that's probably what's going to show in Sky: Journey's End

[tulip aspen]

thats the predominant theory on the topic lolol, primed and engineered by fruity, but my research also backs it

[hushed steeple]

To stop the spreading of Darkness via those erupting crystals?

[icy spruce]

Oh okay, nvm it’s another person that’s also named Meow

[hushed steeple]

Number one lore of this game:

Why is Sky cotl so underrated??

I can’t visit artfol without seeing fanart of it. So that is happy :)

[hushed steeple]

Hello! I am new to this place, actually.
A moth in-game, a moth in-server.

[icy spruce]

oh okay, anyways welcome to this server and welcome to lore chat

prepare your brain juice to disintegrate

[harsh pecan]

Have you read the lore moff doc?

[compact shale]

What's artfol?

[tulip aspen]

oh crap i should put an analysis of that theory in the research folder fruity

[hushed steeple]

Severely underated art posting app.

[hushed steeple]

Reading it rn.

[tulip aspen]

ah yes, the literal king propaganda

[hushed steeple]

Gotta say, there are a lot of things to read tho...

[compact shale]

I think it teaches the common terminologies... but yeah it's sort of king propernge

[tulip aspen]

and none of it means much of anything important lolol

[harsh pecan]

Y e s Resh

[tulip aspen]

i don't believe so personally
w h e z e

[compact shale]

Skycord doesn't have its own Wheeze emoji even though it needs one

[harsh pecan]

Exactly

[tulip aspen]

if you'd like you loremoffs can always check out the research ive gathered from working with everyone here over the past months
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ODQbDWCV3lPLtob_-baBsH1hFI8vQYSp

[tulip aspen]

imagine a wheeze emote in game

[frigid tinsel]

“Research”

[hushed steeple]

We have full-on laughing and giggling tho...

[tulip aspen]

"Research"

@hushed steeple
its never enough we need m o r e

[hushed steeple]

More laughing? Of course!
But for that we need things to laugh about. Care to crack one?

I have a construction joke, but... It's still a work in progress.

[tulip aspen]

you built up so much suspense architecture with that one

[hushed steeple]

can we talk about this games old beta and how it looked really cool

oh no im bailing out
never touched beta

[frigid tinsel]

Someone got beaned

[tulip aspen]

yep, just not the beta for the live game as that contains spoilers for live

lol rip fruity

[hushed steeple]

like, the aviary was so dope cmon now

i wish i played sky at the begining, and not start one month ago 😦

[compact shale]

Aviary my beloved

||though I didn't like the fact that you used to only be able to get 2 seasonal dailies without AP, yes that was a thing||

And the eden statues were labeled with your friends' names, not sure what the current narrative for those things are

[frigid tinsel]

beta as in Sky: Light Awaits, which was the beta development for the current iteration of the game, not live beta for upcoming seasons and events. No spoilers here.

[hushed steeple]

Ah.

yes that one. Ive been watching youtube on it. Tbh the aviary looks so cool and i would rather have it than home

I want an aviary home hybrid. Island with a tower on it.

But more importantly: mountain isle.

[compact shale]

Unfortunately lots of cool Light Awaits stuff got removed due to technical problems. Like the capes getting more detailed the more you did Eden. No way in hell will there be fake moths if that was still a thing.

[hushed steeple]

Fake moths?

[compact shale]

Anyone can dance with the krills to knock some winged light off, put on their moth cosmetics, and then stand in the Prairie social area and spam honk. With the cape being more and more details as you do Eden, no one will be fooled by your guise.

[shut trellis]

man i just realized its been over a year since i started playing sky

[hushed steeple]

Well, isn't that a good thing? Aside from honking, that's a good thing to give players more freedom to play however they want to.

[shut trellis]

true, but i like pretending to be a moth, tricking people or not. its just fun. also much easier to draw the current capes than the light awaits capes

[hushed steeple]

Why draw a cape... When you can draw a scarf? /hj

[compact shale]

WHY DID I REACT WITH BAGUETTE-

[hushed steeple]

hon-hon-hon intensifies

I like current forest better though. I hear old LA commentators mention how much of a chore it was to go through. Current forest, is so relaxing and feels like you zip about in your route.

[harsh pecan]

Especially Isle

[hushed steeple]

They strait up replaced mysterious beautiful mountain isle, with journey again.

Isle looks a lot like Journey's starting locations, that is true.

[harsh pecan]

you’re secretly French

[hushed steeple]

At least in switch trailer they come up with a reason for it to just be journey

[harsh pecan]

Yea, even if it didn’t fit the whole “Birth” thing it still looked better

[tulip aspen]

why did you make it sound like it was involuntary

[compact shale]

ACCIDENTS HAPPEN BARI

[tulip aspen]

fr it's awful

@compact shale THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT YOU INVOLUNTARILY DID THAT YOU INSTINCTIVELY CLICKED THE BAGUETTE

[hushed steeple]

Let's just say I was gifted a baguette. Thank you, Fruity.

[tulip aspen]

the original fit the birth thing much better wym

mysterious, cloudy, misty, wonderful

[harsh pecan]

Fruity had to have used the baguette before, I’m sure of it

[tulip aspen]

oh trust me she does

[harsh pecan]

Now that you mention it, yea

[compact shale]

Confusing, maybe a bit overwhelming

[harsh pecan]

Do you use the baguette often

[compact shale]

Maybe? I do like me a good bread

[harsh pecan]

Understandable, here’s some bread 🥖 🍞

[hushed steeple]

Heres, my hybrid isle sketch

I think I added more cliffs around the front later on. And more green wouldn’t kill it.

[hushed steeple]

aka, lazy people

Why lazy?

[hushed steeple]

people who pretend to be moths to get lifts

for example, too lazy to relive a hard spirit

[frigid tinsel]

Heh, I’ve seen way too many openly vets do that

[shut trellis]

oh i pretended to be a moth once just to prank someone and see their reaction
i didn't expect them to actually do things.
this was a long time ago when i had only played for like a month or two btw 😐 harder spirits didn't really appear much so that was not my goal

[rigid mural]

You guys are making elaborate schemes for stuff that will at worst annoy someone for a few moments.
Like the only spirits I see being annoying to do alone are Pleaful Parent, Crab Whisperer and Dismiss. Which, when they pop up on the daily quests, usually mean players are likely to join in anyway.

Anyway did you guys notice the emergency boats on the sides of the shipwreck ? I wonder how fragile the big boat was if the krill wasn't the one that knocked it over. Maybe it got hit by a catapult projectile ?

[hushed steeple]

If the lightning struck it when it was high in the air, I could see all the boats falling out, and just shattering

[rigid mural]

Salute's memory shows people leaving on boats. Which gives me the morbidly funny image of them staring into the void after everyone is gone.

[compact shale]

Voidsea, the darkness-corrupted sea

[tulip aspen]

whoaaa what is this??

[tulip aspen]

yeah that seems very possible!

[compact shale]

What schemes? HE HE.

[mint echo]

Lore or detail??

[hushed steeple]

Sky has no creatures with claws right now....but geez they sure did put a spotlight on those scratches. Feel like they prolly got intent.

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that the animals depicted on masks did exist at one point, but became extinct in the Eden calamity.

(THIS IS A HEADCANON)

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, they had to. how else could the ancestors create masks in their image?

[hushed steeple]

This may be not exactly a creature's mark...
Weapons exist, y'know.

[compact shale]

Guess so, but why a weapon in Prairie? What happened there?

[hushed steeple]

Well, Prairie is a place where a lot of ships were built, same goes for vases.
So it's possible it is one of the vases that needed a repair.

It may have been brought from... Anywhere, really. Those vases are quite common.

[hushed steeple]

Imagine the krills staring back from it.

That means normy norm regular actual strait up cows exists

And ducks

Bats. SPIDERS

[hushed steeple]

"Peek-a-boo!"

[compact shale]

Maybe, though we don't know if events are canon. I know the Fortune dragon isn't important to lore, but idk if that means not canon lmao. I don't know if the events are canon.

[rigid mural]

Disprove me if my observations are flawed but aren't bird masks exclusively worn by spirits that were performers of some kind ? You got the rythm troupe from the eponymous season, spinning mentor and dancing performer from dreams and arguably dismiss from gratitude so far.

Could explain why the trial of air got a bat-masked prophet instead.

[hushed steeple]

Thats the general theory yep. The only problem is provoking performer.

[tulip aspen]

^^^

[hushed steeple]

Ash confirmed animal mask wearing spirits relate to the mask they wear. So its still possible and SOME performers just prefer gargoyles

[tulip aspen]

why are they a problem?

[hushed steeple]

Well, they are not [forced] to perform as an animal of any kind.

[compact shale]

They have a crab mask, Jam

[hushed steeple]

A performer whos not a bird mask.

[rigid mural]

I mean, ash did say animal masks meant something about the status of a spirit.

Gratitude hits me more like a ceremonial team tbh, and dismiss is only vaguely a bird.

Ok, maybe bird masks are entertainers not strictly performers

[tulip aspen]

i don't memorize these people fruity /j

[hushed steeple]

I just kinda figure they names him performer without that group being the same type of performer or something. Cause every single other bird has been a performer, one even becoming a bird when going to perform

The prophets are pretty easy since they are prophets. Those animals prolly just are the mascots for the elements.

[rigid mural]

Bat pog mask is probably because birds are performers & we got creepy crawly rep with earth proph imo

[hushed steeple]

Rabbits......uhhhhhhh....well Post does do jumps. But so does leaping....and the masks look similar. Do both foxes and rabbits rep agility or was it even confirmed to be a fox mask?

[rigid mural]

Dancers ? Dreams spirits are all retired mentors afaik

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I meant how the animal masks might relate to them.

Good luck finding a connection for gargoyle, fox, deer, unicorn alligator thing, and dragon for gratitude

[rigid mural]

I think Gratitude troupe is the odd one out since that season is pretty old and they wanted diverse masks. Maybe their red masks are characteristically Gratitude brand ,

[compact shale]

Yeah, sad taht Gratitude doesn't really have a story... :(

[hushed steeple]

Thats looking likely. Its ironic since rhythm was the first season conceived in LA

[rigid mural]

Dismiss is a Garuda mask I think, which fits since it has a red and gold color palette
Also I think Garuda are depicted with a horn

[compact shale]

we should ask Ash gratitude questions next lore beaning

[hushed steeple]

Might as well confirm bird masks are performers too

[compact shale]

*looks up at the sky HAVE A DAMN GOOD CHRISTMAS, ASH!!!

[rigid mural]

Whoops, not a horn, crown.

[hushed steeple]

And if they keep going with lunar new year masks, those are all 100% for skykids.

[hushed steeple]

Still, I looked it up too after you said it, I can see how it might be one.

Its still a unicorn alligator in my heart though

[tulip aspen]

what does the other rabbit mask do, and which group are they a part of

I don't really remember them at all just sat there is another rabbit besides post guy

[rigid mural]

Fox mask from gratitude, leap emote.

[hushed steeple]

Leaping something from gratitude. They leap. And have a bell.

Oh geez was fox mask actually just angry bun bun this whole time?

[tulip aspen]

seeing as they've already given a hint about masks, I'm not sure they would do it again especially so quickly

[rigid mural]

There's a chinese mytho with a gay rabbit god, maybe postman is gay

[hushed steeple]

I just realized what the heck can they do for year of the rabbit if we already have one? (Debatably two)

[rigid mural]

🐰 ❤️

[tulip aspen]

is.... is that all we know about them

what did gratitude even do
what was their story

[rigid mural]

Some alternatives have a cat instead of a rabbit.

[hushed steeple]

They, uh, where grateful....and.....uh.....dance a little...:uhhhhhhh

[tulip aspen]

postman is definitely gay, unless yeti is oriented as a girl, which would actually be pretty cool too
or maybe they're both just nongendered

also COULD I GET SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS ABOUT GRATITUDE SMH XD

[hushed steeple]

If only there was a cat mask for us...

[rigid mural]

Maybe bunny mask is the equivalent of gay flag 🏳️‍🌈

[hushed steeple]

I want a real cat mask though.

I always saw post as more girlish....cause....the hair...I know its up to interpretation but. Thats the interpretation.

Do spirits even have genders?

[compact shale]

So instead of Fruity gay Sky peeps are Bunnini?

[hushed steeple]

Nope.

[rigid mural]

They gendered the spirits in french, I think postman is a he/him there

[tulip aspen]

no
they are non binary, but due to spirits like grandma and grandpa we can assume they can orient themselves

[hushed steeple]

I kinda consider it like, they lost their bodies, so. Maybe they used to? But now they are all spirits.

[rigid mural]

Bearhug hermit uses masculine pronouns in french too I think but do not take my word on it.

[compact shale]

Sorry to break your train, but that Sanctuary Spirit is known as the "Hiking Grouch"

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Sanctuary

[hushed steeple]

Weren't they, like, binary before they died and became non-binary afterwards?

[rigid mural]

UFAUFSFUSSUF THIS IS SO FUNNY
GENDER LOST POSTHUMOUSLY

[hushed steeple]

They killed genders. Literally. /j

[tulip aspen]

what are we hunting father

[rigid mural]

The gay agenda

[hushed steeple]

Well thats the way I see it. TGC, prolly just leaves it up to interkepsbtjajsbdjaa

[hushed steeple]

Genders, son. Those vile beasts are more dangerous than krills, let me tell you that...

[compact shale]

Ah yes, the interkepsbtjajsbdjaa of the fandom. :)

[rigid mural]

Fun fact apologetic lumberjack is a he/him in french, proud victor and fainting soldier are she/her. Either random translation or the ppl they hired supported being gnc

[compact shale]

Spin the wheel to determine your gender in this life /hj

[hushed steeple]

Could just be the language.

[tulip aspen]

i mean the soldiers and performers from valley could have gone either way anyways, i always thought half of the big stunt performer people in valley were just massively buff women

[rigid mural]

Btw this is definitely NOT their canon gender, the devs said they don't have a binary so 🤷
French is just a language that dies if there's not a scrap of gender

[hushed steeple]

Some languages doesn't let you name people as "they", so it's a possibility.

[compact shale]

Filipino does not have this weakness, the problem is that no one I've asked can figure out how to translate the realms

[rigid mural]

in this chat we love and support beefy women

Proud Victor beloved, not a thought in their head, they just slip into the ice rink, spin around face down for a bit then take a pose as if they got first place.
I aspire to be this hilarious.

[hushed steeple]

Hold on, I have a video for that.

[compact shale]

YEP, TOTALLY MEANT TO DO THAT. NOW ADMIRE MY BUFF POSE.

[hushed steeple]

https://youtu.be/Y2Y5KVtU810

Here!

[rigid mural]

Valley spirits all look like they are hilarious, I want to be their friend.

[hushed steeple]

It makes it even better the spirit across the rink skates perfectly

[rigid mural]

LMAO YEAH

I don't know which is funnier, bow skating first and victor going in right afterwards, or the other way around.

[jaunty tapir]

I so far only tried with Isle of Dawn haha isla ng bukang liwayway although liwayway might be enough

[compact shale]

Seems that ancestors were subject to the broken infinite sliding physics of ice as well.

[hushed steeple]

Bow skating with Victor getting a piggy ride.

[tulip aspen]

bruh that's a bit-

||revealing---
i clicked on the link thinking it'd be a valley spirit reliving ||

[hushed steeple]

?
Revealing in a what way?

[rigid mural]

I bet they are rivals/friends

Another valley spirit I like is handstanding thrillseeker, their memory is them racing another spirit from one end of the citadel to the other. They also seem to be in pain when they sit back after their victory handstand like king, take some ice 😂 😭

[tulip aspen]

that memory was always so amazing to me

the platforming and scale of the map out of that level just felt the most gameplay-esque memory out of like the entire game honestly in such an authentic way

kind of makes me wish all maps had that kind of platforming and scale architecture wise

the only thing we ever see that is also as tall as that scale is like, the giant archways that that winged light sits on at the beginning of wasteland

which is kind of sad

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, I just like the whole vibe from all of the spirits - they are like distant aunts and uncles to Skykids, happy to see them and be friends with them, each in their own way. They should be cherished.

[rigid mural]

Citadel extension for a season pls
There's even the blue side of the coliseum that could be a shortcut there

[compact shale]

AU where the Fallen Child in Stargazer's memory gets adopted :)

[hushed steeple]

But then again, they are bound to see them come and go, to see them collecting winged light to eventually visit the Eden and never come back again. Of course, a new star will be born afterwards, but they won't meet each other again - a new Skykid who looks almost the same as the previous one will take their place...

[compact shale]

We get replaced every time we rebirth?

[hushed steeple]

It is unknown, I believe.
I just think that it's a good way to make some angst.

[tulip aspen]

i mean that's what i originally thought that memory leads to until you angsty lore theorists ruined it for me smh

real talk tho, if the only CotL they sent into the trials was the one stargazer found, and the rest of those who tried were just ancestors, then maybe we really could imagine stargazer kept and parented the child, until the elders or prophets found out and said they must take on the trials

i like this as a headcanon cos it doesnt clash with our analysis of the chosen one

imagine that, if stargazer was resh/alef's 'true' parent....

[compact shale]

Ermnnn... apologies for ruining it for you?

[tulip aspen]

you should

pout

[hushed steeple]

Here's a headcanon:

Each time Skykids does go through ascension and rebirth, they are not replaced, but they lose their memories each time they lose a winged light.

That would explain why they always do the exact same things not through the game mechanics, but through the lore, as well as the winged light from the spirits.

Like, if your bond with spirit is really strong, they will save a winged light for you so that you would not forget them entirely because you are important for them.

[distant pollen]

Hey is there a hidden elder in the eye of eden? (Like a fallen king or something) or is that just another theory?

[compact shale]

Tis a concept that lingers in the LIVE game.

[tulip aspen]

he's there but not there, according to the devs

[tulip aspen]

"in my analysis pages, you'll see me say "the king/prince"
the more accurate term is "the royal" but everyone likes the former term

in concept art the climax of the ending of the game is fighting the King, a corrupted Elder who is as tall as a skyscraper
architecture all over Sky and concept art references the King

the prince is also mentioned in concept art, but we have absolutely no solid evidence of who or what they would be/have-been
the king and prince are often mentioned interchangeably because concepts have done so

perhaps the prince grew up to be the king (after becoming the chosen one in the trials(??))

perhaps the prince was the King's son

perhaps we should realize we know literally absolutely nothing about the prince (even less than megabird)

canonchasing wise, talking about the prince/king always leads to dead ends, but headcanon/fanfic wise, they're an unlimited amount of possible content lolol"

[rigid mural]

I headcanon wl are your hope and dreams and those of other skykids/ancestors that passed by
The ancestors giving you wl in orbit... the old generation giving the new their hopes and dreams as a legacy
Also they love u

[distant pollen]

(Thank for the reply) like the idea but I can also see it not being canon.

[hushed steeple]

I mean. We literally sacrifice our most valuable light for them that is given to us by the freed spirits. It's a sacrifice that can't just be ignored.

[compact shale]

If we interpret the statues to be those of the spirits, they're giving back to us because of the sacrifice we made to them.

Fun fact: In one iteration of Light Awaits, the statues were implied to be your friends. They were labeled with your friends' names on them.

[hushed steeple]

I mean, we become the statues when there is no more wl.
I guess in the Light Awaits we were not able to get out from the sculpture and a new Skykid was taking the empty place.

[compact shale]

I think the friends implication is still present (now, the shiny bois have your friends' names on them) but it's too angsty for me to handle (weird, huh?)

[distant pollen]

Is there explanation of the origin of the Eye of eden(that big red crystal)?

[hushed steeple]

I think it's only partially present - like, now your friends can go through it with you as those blue spirits if they turned to stone before you and the game tells you that you are, in fact, not alone on this path. Therefore all of you does show in each others journeys, exchanging this light and multiplying it.

[hushed steeple]

A catastrophe occurred, that is known. As to why - there are hints towards the some kind of war or something like that, but they are really, really vague.

[harsh pecan]

Diamond Explosion

[distant pollen]

Well dang I guess we’re just gonna have to wait until TGC release a season with lore about the eye of eden.

[harsh pecan]

They’re probably not gonna do it but we can still hope….

[distant pollen]

Well in their QnA they did promise for more lore about of Sky ( but of course it could just be more unrelated lore)

[harsh pecan]

Oh wow, I hope they’ll give us King lore

[hushed steeple]

We know for sure that people were trying to run away from the catastrophe, sailing away. But, well, there is a Forgotten Ark and that's a good answer to the question "what happened to those people?"

They even were trying to grow some crops...
It's all sand and ashes now.

[distant pollen]

I like the king theory although I can see it conflicting the theme of sacrifice, because if it’s revealed that the king not only exist but was the original one who helps guide all spirits, saving him might conflict your progress on saving people. Because once you save the main problem what else will there be to clean up.

Who knows maybe the story will just simply sit on a whole good vs evil balance. (Or just say the king perished under the darkness)

[compact shale]

Well, once you save him, I guess your journey ends, doesn't it? All journeys have one.

[distant pollen]

True but I also like how sky story keeps carry the theme of sacrificing and giving. Even after you complete the eye of eden

[hushed steeple]

...you know what?

Sky is grim.

The more I think about, the more it gets obvious. We traverse through the post-apocaliptic world with the catastrophe still present, where not a single person besides Skykids is truly alive. There are bones and graves and ruins of what this civilization has built, but those are but an empty remains. We can kinda restore some of them, but only because they were built in a way that lets us do that. The only thing we can really do is to try to save as many souls as we can from the aftermath of this catastrophe.

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[distant pollen]

The story kinda reminds me of Legend of Zelda:Breath of the wild as it has the same story as sky where your a hero who has been chosen after a long time has passed over a land that used to be great now lays in ruin and in need of a rescue.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, but in BotW you are going through it only once.

i am too moth-y for this kind of depressive thoughts

[distant pollen]

Yeah, the only thing that Sky’s story is lacking is a main conflict or true villain, there’s only a running conflict which is a the darkness.

[hushed steeple]

Well, you can treat is as a natural calamity. Or you can blame the people of the past for letting it happen.

The point is that in some cases the story doesn't need villains.

[thin dirge]

I think thats because the main conflict has now come to pass.... We're only picking up the pieces after the fall

[hushed steeple]

It can be described as: "The story has already happened, go be a janitor and clean the aftermath."

[distant pollen]

Actually that pretty good explanation

[compact shale]

Our story will come to an end too, though we don't know what it looks like.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, eventually we will save everyone.

[distant pollen]

We will have all the pants >:)

[thin dirge]

Two types of Sky players, lmao

[hushed steeple]

I mean, normally a single Skykid can save 50-100 spirits per run, right? And there are a lot of them.

There are a lot of people as well - perhaps millions or even billions. But hey, it's not like the community can't save them all.

[hushed steeple]

And all the skirts as well!

[thin dirge]

Also note how the number of spirits that have fallen in Sky in terms of lore (not just shown in game) is probably not just the population living at the time of the fall, but its probably the whole population that have ever lived in the Kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Yeah.

[thin dirge]

And Im telling you, thats probably billions and billions of spirits. Just not currently shown in game tho

[compact shale]

We live in a big world, don't we. Each one of us can only cover so much. But with a strategy, our mission will eventually be completed.

[thin dirge]

Ash (Sky dev) confirmed there's actually much more spirits that have fallen in Sky than what appears to in game

[hushed steeple]

Once that happens the game servers will be probably closed as that would mean the end of all the journeys.

[thin dirge]

They said this in the beta chats once when I lurked there (dont worry! This statement conatins no beta spoilers!)

[distant pollen]

If anything I wouldn’t mind if we could explore the past, like that nintendo switch launch trailer which feature the isle of dawn but in the past.

[thin dirge]

Closest we'll ever have to that is probably Season of Prophecy. Since that Season was actually a telling of the past rather than the future, the very beginning of the whole Kingdom. The Prophecy we saw in there was fulfilled a long time ago

[compact shale]

Yeah, Journey's end would probably be like that.

If they end it involuntarily due to circumstances out of their control, they'd probably release the remaining lore somewhere else to avoid cliffhangers.

If they end it voluntarily, they'd probably show us what the Journey's End looks like in-game.

Dreams was also a look into the past, as you told. :/

[hushed steeple]

Maybe there would be a game end goal, like a community tasks section with millions and millions in them.

Something like "Light a 5000000 candles (community task)".

[frigid tinsel]

@hushed steeple gender ≠ body. You can express your gender with your body but your body does not determine your gender.
Losing your gender posthumously tho, i Stan

[hushed steeple]

I mean, yeah, I know.

[frigid tinsel]

I was going to reply to more stuff but I haven’t slept in 30 hours so I’m just going to bed.

[hushed steeple]

G'night then.

[frigid tinsel]

Haha 200 messages, guys,

[tulip aspen]

always lol

literally just adding more loose ends cos it keeps us busy, forever and ever until Sky abruptly ends

[tulip aspen]

maybe he's the last person we'll give light to

[compact shale]

Oooooohhhh... cool.

I hope that at least if Sky ends, they won't end it on a cliffhanger and set us on fire for all eternity

[tulip aspen]

there is no conflict anymore, just putting an old problem to rest

not all stories have to be some huge dramatic take imo

[rain pond]

I mean couldn't they just close PNR?

[tulip aspen]

server hosting takes thousands of USD a day to keep online for an MMO

they couldn't keep the game up very long after it loses support

[rain pond]

fair enough

[shut trellis]

still sad the king isn't there for us to save anymore. i wish it was like, first time save the king, next time ascend stuff. and you could also replay the memory of saving the king

[rigid mural]

That quote has been disproved as inaccurate I think !

[shut trellis]

wait what

[tulip aspen]

what quote

[compact shale]

Hm?!

[shut trellis]

which quote? what do you mean, vela?

[rigid mural]

Trying to find it, but a mod said that the king nor being around anymore was misquoted

[shut trellis]

Oo maybe the kings still in eden but we cant reach him
or hes inside of us
or hes already in the orbit... nah not that
the possibilities are endless

[rigid mural]

Can you filter what is said in this chat by roles

[compact shale]

Unfortunately that's not a function Discord has, though I wish it did

[tulip aspen]

fruity ur the archivist

[compact shale]

I don't remember that moment at all! Which mod said that?

Vela, when did a mod say this?

[compact shale]

Okay, I tried alexdolly, kira, Shira, Harbin, and Boon. Still haven't found anything. What more do you know?

[tulip aspen]

didn't it go something like "he's still there in Eden, but he's lost forever"

[tulip aspen]

yeahhh that first one

[rigid mural]

shepherd role maybe ?

[compact shale]

I tried searching up Ash's messages and apparently she once said "the king is hatsune miku"

OH BIRDS ASH WHAT HAVE YOU DONE-

[hushed steeple]

>:/

[ember elbow]

hi. new moff, new to the lore. Ive been going through all the pins and linked docs, including all the cut scenes from prophecy and the forgotten ark. I keep finding myself drawn back to the final mural in VOK where the eden elder is pictured. He seems to be eating... A ball? just me?

[rain pond]

Might be a representation of Megabird, the supposed "deity" of light creatures

unsure if this is canon but bird of light is ball

[ember elbow]

ohhhhhh! this is neat! i see theres two representatives of the king there? or is one the golden child from prophecy?

[rain pond]

im trying to find the link between "bird of light" and megabird

[ember elbow]

if he "ate" skybird (reached too far for the light) and the hybrids were created after the chaos that caused (sky kids) would the eye of eden be essentially his husk?

[rain pond]

IDK if he literally ate my cousin

I think it symbolizes that the kingdom exploited the gifts of Megabird (the flames and creatures)

[ember elbow]

honestly i do appreciate the two shields theory, the GW elder has the sun symbol on his shield, and hes defending the vault. the vault has a hidden graveyard. and the devs mentioned GWs story originally had the idea of the elder trying to fend the storm off of us sky kids and an ark to avoid the apocalypse

then the broken diamond shields everywhere, the mural in sanctuary that seems to show the king being ended by the GW elder and the other elders watching

then the original cut scene, where "they" say "if only the stars listened"

[rain pond]

okay what is this 30s slowmode

also here's evidence that the Sky Kingdom exploited creatures of light (to make the diamond tech)

[rain pond]

wait what mural where huh
im confused

[ember elbow]

in the isle of sanctuary

[rain pond]

isle of dawn or sanctuary islands? and which cutscene?

I see no King or GW elder anywhere in Sanc islands

[ember elbow]

sanctuary islands, sorry. https://youtu.be/YoA4-bNam9k is where this screenshot is from

[rain pond]

are we sure that is wasteland elder

apart from it being triangular

[ember elbow]

no, just assuming because all the other elders are there, and the two shields theory