lore-discussion-spoilers

[boreal nebula]

But from what I read in the last comments .he. *they left there could something we could ask him about that

[willow prawn]

I know nothing about last theory wishes! Personally I just think most spirits ended up stranded before ascension haha. Still new to lore ngl.

[willow prawn]

(she/they!)

I do think the problem is that a prophecy needs to be told to make sense though. First time the trials were done, the requisites for the prophecy were accomplished, but the prophecy wasn't revealed maybe...?

I'm still a baby in lore theory though, so I may be wrong! This time is a bit iffy

[boreal nebula]

Oops, I didn't realize that

[boreal nebula]

IMHO Prophecy gave us 3 prophec__ies__ (after all it's named Cave of Prophecies)

1. The advent of the Chosen One/Prince and the flourishing of the Sky Kingdom
2. The arrive of a Dark Era (lowkey hinted by the Krill emerging from the clouds)
3. The 4 Elements/Lights locations where we spot them after Enchantment lost them (so subtle maybe about the Ark crash)

Hope these could be answered some day...sadly it's almost always night in my timezone when Lore channel gets active!

☁️ 🗺️

[regal phoenix]

[willow prawn]

Agreed!

Gotta say though: if we compare the mural in the beginning of Forest with the prophecy cave, I think it's more of a... Where the elements were given and what did each one did 🤔

Or you mean the other mural where the Prince is ascending?

[boreal nebula]

Number 3. was about the murals before Prophecy door, and yeah.. there's still the chance they are the other way around (how they found those 4 elements)

Off to bed

[willow prawn]

Goodnight!

[robust flare]

Power diamond/artificial star. I think there's another name too. I call em artificial stars 🤷 Sorry. Not really relevant but interesting tidbit

[floral grove]

Darkstone?

[tulip aspen]

the only requisites for the prophecy to come true was that the one who defeated the trials would become the Chosen One and be given tremendous power

the elemental Lights would make sense as those powers, and maybe it was given to the Chosen One, who may have been crowned after

i know thats a lot of mays in that last sentence but thats just how it be xD

[tulip aspen]

yeah number 3 (and the "ench lights were lost" theory in general) really is hard to follow as a concrete canonchase

[willow prawn]

Hmm. Also, I have a question. Each one of the gifts was given to the Elders if I'm reading the mural right. But how come Isle and Vault elder didn't receive any? Or why? Other than it was just 4 gifts

[tulip aspen]

can you show which mural you're talking about?

[willow prawn]

Incomplete picture but notice the orange courage light in Wastelands

[harsh pecan]

Wow I never realised how big Resh was

[tulip aspen]

yeah can someone try to get a bigger perspective of the picture

I really shouldn't say anything without seeing the full picture but
what if the elders are giving the light to the chosen one and not the other way around like u said

[thin dirge]

I think its clear Prophecy was actually more of a retelling of the past rather than a telling of the future. Prophecy wasnt described to be the Season that "foretells your journey and what you must accomplish". Instead, it was specifically described to be the Season that "will lean heavily into the backstory of the kingdom by presenting an origin story."
This was the LITERAL DESCRIPTION of what Season of Prophecy is about! See it here: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/teaser-season-of-prophecy

[tulip aspen]

I mean yes the paintings do say a lot but the season itself is about giving life to the cave lol
I still don't believe the cave looked like that in the past

[thin dirge]

Its also during Prophecy (or after) that Stargazer's memory was changed into what we see now, as well as the Candlemaker

[tulip aspen]

indeed

relivings are definitely in the past

[thin dirge]

Hmmmm

Tho, Cave of Prophecies is probs very, very ancient, since it existed probs long before Prince came, or maybe existed since the beginning of the ancestors' existence. So it probably looked like that

The caves really do resemble those old caves you would see in the Cavemen era

[tulip aspen]

wdym by "like that" lol

when i said i dont believe the cave looked "like that" i meant like it's final form after completing the final season mission

as in, floating rocks and wind and water and stuff

[thin dirge]

Ohh, I thought you meant before we restored it

[tulip aspen]

yeah the current discussion has been about whether what we do in the season missions were already done by the ancestors in the past

[thin dirge]

Hmm

Now that I think of it, considering how Prince succeeded in trials before, probs in the exact same way we did, perhaps they did indeed restore the caves to how we did in the past. But now that was gone due to the passing of time (probs a huge amount of time, considering it happened at the VERY BEGINNING of the Kingdom and the Kingdom should've lasted for thousands of years.

If you're talking about actual ancestors tho, they did try and all failed except for Prince, based off of the murals

[compact shale]

"perhaps the caves did indeed restore the cave"

excuse me w h a t

[thin dirge]

Dang it, typo. (Im high when I type, ok?) I meant perhaps the Prince did restore the cave when they did the trials like we did

[compact shale]

what happened to the cave before the Prince was there?

[thin dirge]

Perhaps it was the same as how we first went in there. Would actually be fitting considering how the caves existed in the beginning of the ancestors existence, so lots of things would be.... Idk the word, primitive?

[compact shale]

So why were the murals hidden in the first place? What caused them to be hidden?

[thin dirge]

Hmm, thats a good question. It may have been hidden for us to reveal the past. Like, testing us to see if we're worthy to see the truth. (Since we have to pass the trials just to see the murals, and since we're not getting the lights quite like the Prince did as a reward for succeeding the trials, our trials may be for a different purpose)

Tbh, its hard to tell of the murals were also hidden when Prince went in there. Tho, I think its possible it may have also been hidden as well

[compact shale]

So... what is the reason for OUR trials? What do you think of that hypothesis about the trials choosing the King?

Wait a minute... if the Prophets were trying to choose a ruler out of all of us... hm.

Actually, with the way we're built, the prophecy doesn't work on us because we can revive at checkpoints and multiple skykids can "win" the trials lmao

[thin dirge]

As I said, perhaps to test us to see if we're worthy to unravel the truth behind the Kingdom. Perhaps its also a preparation for whats ahead in future Seasons since we're meant to also unravel whats happened in the past and fix it.

[compact shale]

Oh Megabird... is there going to be a season where fall damage is a thing?

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I dont think they were actually choosing a ruler. My interpretation was that Prince wasn't meant to become a "King" like we know they did.

I think the true purpose of the trials back then was to teach the Prince important morals like "Patience", "Bravery", etc. But also making them worthy to have the Elemental lights, since they need those values to be worthy of having them

I actually have a theory that Isle of Dawn in the beginning before Prince arrived was the exact same as to how we first found it, being a desert, and with people settling there. When Prince succeeded in the trials, the elemental lights was used to bless the land and make it look like how it was in the Nintendo Trailer

[compact shale]

[willow prawn]

I'm back with pictures

Didn't do the whole lighting sequence but even without the chosen one in the middle, you can see the thing I'm talking about.

Every gift from the trials is in a kingdom.

Also took some pictures of the entrance and the previous drawing, mostly because I'm curious. I used to interpret these drawings as the trials, but it doesn't make sense considering the picture of the trees and the fire.

Also, as the chosen one seems to ascend to Eden, it looks like he gave the virtues/powers to the Elders before being elders, which would make the Isle elder the oldest of them all as we could have suspected from his aspect alone

[hushed steeple]

Has this always been here if so what is it

[boreal bane]

its for the days of feast event

[hushed steeple]

Ooh

What's it gonna do?

[compact shale]

Something... christmassy... we don't know yet.

[willow prawn]

That's a surprise!
But stay tuned because surprises will appear starting from December 20

[boreal bane]

i watched beta videos, but i dont think we're allowed to discuss them outside of the beta chats

[compact shale]

Can I dm you a beta question?

[boreal bane]

ok

[lofty void]

Hey lore chat, can someone send me the concept art of the King bossfight in eden?

[boreal bane]

theres concept art of a boss fight?

[lofty void]

thank u

[rigid mural]

If ancestor spirits somehow had the ability to heal sky kids, would these sky kids need to seek a doctor ancestor spirit or a veterinarian ancestor spirit (going off the logic a human on an alien planet would need to seek an alien veterinarian) ?

[frigid tinsel]

Prob a doctor. Skykids aren’t animals. It’s a question if ancestors, had they have the ability, knew what to do to heal them.

Skykids may have to be the doctors to other skykids

But why go to a doctor when you can shed your old body by dying in Eden and be reborn with a fresh one?

raises of the question of what could happen to a skykid that being reborn would not resolve (besides mental trauma)

[shut trellis]

Skykids who have never been to Eden would not know about rebirth so they may want to seek a doctor. Skykids do seem to be their own doctors, though, since they can "heal" each other with their flames.

[tulip aspen]

YOU'RE AMAZING

(im not available rn tho sorry guys xD)

[rigid mural]

Yeah but we aren't sure skykids are similar enough to ancestors.
Heck, we even get hints the latters are organic like us since they eat (grandma event) drink (days of bloom tea set, sold by a spirit), get visibly tired (exhausted dock worker), sleep (slumbering shipwright) and even can get wounded and possibly bleed (fainting warrior), but skykids ?
The golem theory does hold some ground...

[shut trellis]

Yeah, skykids and ancestors are pretty different. I don't think ancestors would or could be doctors to skykids.

[compact shale]

Great job, now I'm imagining skykids as dogs or something, now that you mention us needing a veterinarian

Sky: Dogs of the Light

[frigid tinsel]

something something Oreo something

[tulip aspen]

it holds almost all ground we're literally made of light

[frigid tinsel]

skykids do seem to have a sort of base body made of material either in addition to or not at all composed of light. this body petrifies in Eden and could even shatter

also they seem unaffected by slamming into things at top speed. they may only feel pain or weakness if afflicted with darkness and deprived of their light

[hushed steeple]

Forgtten Arc was hit with a RAINBOW laser that killed all the inhabitants!!!! It just randomly came and blew everything up! this is excatly why we collect color lights because of the rainbow explosion!😱😰

[compact shale]

OH MEGABIRD HOW SACRILEGOUS-

[icy spruce]

basically mlp’s beginning but instead of ponies being op, it destroyed Ark?

[rigid mural]

Sky kids are light creatures ?
Wounded skykids weakly gliding to Light Whisperer...

[compact shale]

Getting honked or gonged back to full health

[tulip aspen]

yes, that is their shell

i prefer the clayshell theory over the golem theory

they aren't biological nor artificial
they're fricken magic lmao

[compact shale]

Kind of like all those legends about "And then (God) made people out of clay"

[frigid tinsel]

that line has appeared in far too many culture's creation myths to be a coincidence.

so skykids may be made of some earthen material

[rigid mural]

Prairie Elder once had a bit more clay than they could do with, and that's how sky kids were born.

[compact shale]

*snrk

[tulip aspen]

its in the concepts for a reason imo

either way idk how people look at the Beings in the nintendo trailer and go "yeah that def has organs"

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf something alive not having organs doesn’t really come up for a lot of people

[compact shale]

Well, we know Ash doesn't know much about this topic, so we'll have to wait 😔

[frigid tinsel]

here's what I've been gravitating on as the composition of a skykid:
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light
—a physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material
—hollow insides full of light, winged light
—their flame
—their soul

[compact shale]

Candle soul?

[frigid tinsel]

their candle may be their flame but their flame is not the same as their soul. Soul being their memories, mind, personality, and whatnot. Flame is their constant internal power source. Their flame cant be their soul cos their flame can go out but they can still keep moving even when it's gone out

[tulip aspen]

yes, they rip their soul out and casually put it back every time they equip their candle

[tulip aspen]

that makes sense!!

Light and Spirit (the coining I'll use about soul) are technically two different things!

||geez im forcibly demanding I coin everything for the lore community arent I||

[frigid tinsel]

Reliving spirit memories of dead skykids when /j

On a serious note, winged light (“imprints of the children of light”) may be analogous to ancestor spirit memories

[compact shale]

Hm? How?

[tulip aspen]

what are the things ive coined or over-reuse as per others ideas?
hmm

Limbo, Eye of Eden (diamond), Ancestor vs Spirit, Descendant, the Light, the Sky, Elemental Spells, Earthen Shell, Clayshell Theory, Enlightenment theory, Intro 1 theory, Trial blessing spells, etcetcetc

[frigid tinsel]

Spirit memories seem to be fragments of ancestors’ soul we gather before being able to reawaken the full spirit body that’s petrified in darkness, the manifestation of which is fragments or “imprints” of their soul and presence in the world.

Winged light is called “imprints of the children of light,” so I wonder if they appear in places skykids have been and return to those places where their presence once was. We need to give these to petrified skykids to reawaken them.

I say “analogous to,” so they’re not the same thing, just have a similar function.

[compact shale]

hmmm, interesting..

[floral grove]

Is there an explanation as to how Sky Kids can recharge in certain places like the flight arena in Valley and in the Wind Paths without having any close contact to an open flame?

[compact shale]

Clouds? Don't both of those places have clouds to recharge with?

[floral grove]

What I mean is how come Sky Kids can still recharge without being near a flame nor clouds? The moment your Sky Kid uses a wedge up, it slowly refills as if they were near a fire even though they're not

At first, I thought they were getting recharged by the sun but then that wouldn't make sense since they're under the sun most of the time and never get recharge except in the areas that I mentionee

[harsh pecan]

Really?

[pastel hollow]

I’d say birds in citadel but I’m not sure about wind paths…

[jaunty tapir]

A common thing in those areas where you can recharge is the constant presence of light creatures in the area Citadel and Bird's Nest have constant recharge but afaik Wind Paths only have certain areas? I tested it during the first few quests and I had to go near clouds to recharge. Not sure when you finish all quests though (note: I'm talking about the area where there are paths to seasonal areas)

[hushed steeple]

Sooo is the pizza season gonna have lore? Or

[jaunty tapir]

Pizza season?

[compact shale]

The what?!

[icy spruce]

yes. huggeee lore drop

like, King, fall, megabirb lore drop (101% real, not clickbait, tgc arrived, elders arrived, megabirb arrived, king arrived, gone wrong, got krilled, eden explosion happened again)

[neat flint]

Tgc arrives 😳

[hushed steeple]

All krills die no moths ever again pizza gone mad jellyfish gone sxual no turning back Eden falls apart king dies

[icy spruce]

removed the jellyfish reproduction, its against the rules

[tulip aspen]

why do you say fragments and imprints, and imply the "full body" is still alive after centuries of being, well, a frozen corpse underneath radioactive rocks

this is a lot of left field things lolol

[tulip aspen]

strong wind lol

you also forgot to mention the skies of sanctuary

but yeah if clouds regen you then high atmosphere wind should too

[compact shale]

Left field? What's that?

[tulip aspen]

speaking of, does anyone have takes or theories on how getting cosmetics from spirits could be canon, and how that'd work?

[hushed steeple]

The game refers to it as "developing your friendship" with the spirits so there are two possible explanations

1. They're gifts of the spirit's friendship, a sign of their gratitude

2. They are artefacts that the spirit used in their lifetime, and as you progress through their tree, you become closer and closer to them. This in turn grants you the power to be able to use the cosmetics the spirit used in their lifetime.

[harsh pecan]

Lol what

[hushed steeple]

LoL I was making a pizza season meme

[harsh pecan]

Cool

[hushed steeple]

Also extending this because I don't wanna forget

The Skykids that go to the pity room see an extra WL.

That was us. We gave them that WL when we were in Eden.

[hushed steeple]

[floral grove]

Seems like a logical answer. Thanks for the reply and thanks to everyone who tried to understand my point

[compact shale]

Emergency Winged Light Transfer Protocol

[hushed steeple]

LMAO

I was gonna tie it into how everything is connected to everything else and how even in death we help those alive and stuff

But this is golden

[jaunty tapir]

Since all the first letters were capitalized, i thought that was an acronym EWLTP

[compact shale]

I mean, it is

[tulip aspen]

chesca why

[tulip aspen]

ofc fam have a good one!

since were not in serious canonchasing mode atm and many people are asleep, im going to take the time to ask the real questions

this pillar.
it definitely is the most important part of lore to ever exist

why?
look at the lines of the columns
megabird has lines in their wings
therefore, this pillar is clearly megabird watching us
thank you for coming to my tedtalk

||fr tho ive never seen this pillar before am i just blind someone pls tell me it's new||

[compact shale]

Ah, the things that go on when the few active members of lore get drunk...

[icy spruce]

😁

[tulip aspen]

CHESCA WHY

teb, pls do not write a response article to my pillar analysis about how it actually technically could be right it's friday please dont do this save your energy for all the candles you'll lose at days of feast /j

[boreal nebula]

Pillar isn't new (my brain failed me with similar thing too about dark GW landscapes)

It's a pretty common opinion that is a King Statue/Turret , tho I always thought of those lines as the gothic buildings in LoTR.. it's nice you maybe found an in-game interpretation!

Maybe King (which wasn't this edgy shaped in "real life", perhaps) had a outfit with lines as a symbol of superiority/divinity recalling Megabird

[tulip aspen]

TEB

[boreal nebula]

Too late😅

Plus I'm full of candles and I think I might have already an headstart with last year DoFeasts cosmetics

[icy spruce]

Teb is rich

Rob Teb

[tulip aspen]

funnily enough I have an interesting head Cannon for y'all

player burnout is canon

@compact shale , you and I have talked about the concept that, though ancestors got distracted by the gains and desires of living in their Kingdom, New age sky kids that were sent for the purpose of saving the spirits cannot be so easily distracted because we have the wisdom that we gain from reliving spirits that we can use to stay and lightened and safe from being trapped in this world like they were

but the truth is descendant sky kids DO have so many distractions, that keep them from focusing on saving spirits and bonding with their fellow sky kids

and one of the main distractions/problems is vanity

descendants aren't as physically tied to the world as ancestors were, as we are more light than shells, which is what they were

our forms can change at a whim, by collecting enough light via wax we can create spells and even graft forms for our bodies

but collecting wax is a very tedious ongoing process, one that sky kids become so engulfed in, much much more than they actually focus on saving spirits and bonding with their fellow sky kids

I would like to think player burnout is 100% Canon, because some sky kids get so wrapped up in their vanity and an unhealthy desire to collect everything and always have everything just for the sake of having it. and then when they burn themselves out and give up on Sky, the fire inside them to continue their mission as a descendant, dies, and with that their Light is extinguished

that's why I think player burn out is technically 100% Canon

[jaunty tapir]

Not lore but i computed it based on announced patch notes prices and I'll actually lose more candles for TS than DoF haha

[tulip aspen]

I was about to say not true because you don't know what the TS is but I guess that could go either way especially since we should see a lot more prophets and dreams villagers returning this winter, who will definitely be the most expensive spirits you will ever know

I'll tell you a little secret though, and it totally doesn't relate to my message above and my hate of player burnout
||you can just collect things you'll actually wear yknow, that'll help a lot lol||

[jaunty tapir]

Your headcanon makes sense though and I've seen quite a few varieties of "cosmetics distract us from our mission". On the other hand, you've technically "finished" the game during your first run through but then for most, it won't make sense for them to go through all of that again just to give light. So I guess cosmetics help in that aspect (esp since it's reinforced that base spirit trees and TS trees have wing buff nodes that cost AC) i.e. there's a "reward" for giving our light in Eden.

For the TS, yeah i believe to even buy 1 thing (or at least the top node), one must have 150 candles. Personally, I only just buy 1 thing from TS not everything since I'm not a collector haha. But it still costs a lot. So sigh

Edit: i definitely don't like this system though that's why I hope our time loop ends soon and we reach the end of our story. In simple terms, please my skid wants to rest with Megabird already

[tulip aspen]

understandable lolol

[tulip aspen]

also no, technically we're never finished, our mission is to free all spirits

unfortunately many parts of the world of Sky are still closed off by powerful traces of the initial Eden storm from who knows how long ago, and as we wait for the storm to die down more and more and, wait for more paths to finally open up to new lands/areas to save the spirits in them, we need to stay healthily bonded and loving with the skykids around us, to not become absorbed in vanity and power like our ancestors before us

player interaction is very important and very canon to me

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah btw here's the updated (slightly edited due to questions/concerns) season review of what it means for some things to have happened in the past and what actually occurs now in the season quest

ill give a full picture of every season i know a tiny bit more about, starting from rhythm
((((Remember, if it ever shows PALE blue 3d pictures during a mission those things/people are memories of them as ancestors, not the spirits in the present. If it shows THICK blue 3d objects, those are objects the spirit WISHES it could have had attained.)))

Rhythm is about you reuniting a troupe of actors and musicians from across the land who had split up for some reason. I think after they split up, they seem to have died and that's where the past ends, so reuniting them probably is fully in the future, from beginning to end .
(but there probably is some blue memories that happen as things you have to collect or something[?] can someone please give me full details on how the quests of rhythm went lol)

In enchantment, again, the crashed ark is empty when We find it
Nothing but spirits, lost souls
The pots and all are there, but all scattered and knocked over, and those are Real 3d objects, so we can use those to determine that they cant have made the Ark base before, because nothing remotely resembles how it looks at the end of the season. They used their magic spells to build and power the boat, (as seen via the murals) but ran out of spells and the boat crashed. in their memories they are shown running around for a little longer, but probably did not last long without supplies or water from the water spells. This is controversial to imply, as this statement assumes they died in the crash of the Ark, or at least, didn't live very long after due to lack of clean water. (or got killed by the Eye of Eden boom after getting stranded)
.

In sanctuary, I dont think they actually restored the bells on their own in the past. The bells physically are shown as broken, and the spirits make basic concepts of them over the broken bells, thick 3d models. "Look, this is what I wish I could have gotten, but never found it..." Once you found one, the spirit materializes the thick 3d model to be real, purely out of the (determination?/confidence?) you give them to fulfill their wish.

It's the exact same concept with assembly. The sticks that you grab are not exact memories but rather things they wish they had gotten enough of or at all in the past. You helping them grab lots of them now gives them the confidence they need as a spirit in Limbo to materialize those supplies and apply that to the treehouse.

Prophecy.... is one of the most complex, especially as a lore iceberg. We KNOW the trials were held in the past, but remember, the end goal of the season is to give power to the prophets as their wish so they can remember their prophecy they had made in the past, and then write it all over the ceiling lol. You giving them power IS, I believe, a wish granted to them. So I don't think they were ever this powerful before. We see paintings around realms of similar extremely powerful spells being used, like the fire one about forest, but we cant assume that was the prophet's Light. Winning the trials gives you those powers, but maybe the Chosen One in the past had taken all of those powers for themself. But this time you give it to the prophets instead of keeping those elemental Lights

And lastly Dreams. The "dream came true", so her story of dancing for the kingdom in the coliseum had to be real. In part 5 of dreams you do interact with skater in just a fun version of reliving her story, where you get to dance with her. The reason the story needed to be relived is because the guide (mother/grown skater/who knows) had forgotten the story and needed to remember it.

I can't discuss Flight, Im on part 4 of it @_@

[willow prawn]

Rhythm didn't have quests btw
Just spirit collecting

[tulip aspen]

:0
can you list out fuller details of how that went?

[willow prawn]

I wasn't here, but before Enchantment, seasons were only about completing the spirits. They were released weekly and you got a starting and final cutscene.

You can search for videos in YouTube for most details, but the storytelling details are basically in their cutscenes and whatever text the intro and ending got.

[hushed steeple]

The seasons when they started out didn't even really have a clear-cut storyline, I don't think

I've been around since Dreams and I've only read the Wiki of the seasons before that (plus completing the seasonal quests). For the older seasons, there's no dedicated QG or seasonal area

Actually I wanted to ask – which was the first season to actually have an entire area dedicated to it?

I suspected
Also the underground area in Hidden Forest – was that part of a season as well?
(I suspect yes because the spirit is there)

[compact shale]

In a way, kind of, but also not really a "dedicated season area"

[hushed steeple]

Odd that when you honk in those areas, you can see the Symbol, but not in other seasonal/season-related areas

[nimble ingot]

For season of Belonging, the forest clearing, sunny forest and valley maze (if I understand it correctly) were added with the spirit.
Though I could be wrong since it was before my time.

[willow prawn]

Yep. Sunny Forest and Underground Forest were added during Belonging as a forest expansion, which is why you can also find the Granny dinner. However, they're not exactly seasonal

[willow prawn]

The Archives in Vault, Valley Maze, the Boogie Island in Isle, the crab pit I think, and the Forest Underground + Sunny Forest

Lots of area. Would have to confirm in the wiki.

Yap

"The Season of Belonging brought 5 new areas, a Butterfly Cave in Isle of Dawn, the Underground Caverns in Hidden Forest, The Temple's Maze in Valley of Triumph, and The Archives in Vault of Knowledge."

[hushed steeple]

So in 4 of these areas you can actually see the symbol
Plus in Ark
(And other areas I'm probably forgetting)

Why not in others?

[willow prawn]

They probably didn't add it because there isn't truly a "forwards" place to move to.

[hushed steeple]

That's also true for the Ark area
But it could apply to the mazes
Even if you can't see the symbol in the Archives

[rigid mural]

The jellyfish pants required you to buy the hair first, you don't need to buy the entire tree to go broke for something you wanted tbh

[compact shale]

Ok one question about that tree:

JUST WHY?

[shut trellis]

Yeah, I decided to not get the pants, I was too lazy after getting the hair. I wished they(TGC) put the hair on the side instead.

[hushed steeple]

I just got the wingbuffs and called it a day

[shut trellis]

lmao yeah, motivation went down to zero

[rigid mural]

As for burnout being canon, I just like to think the skykids sometimes take a break and chill in Orbit with the spirits they ascended a bit longer before returning.

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah that was def stupid of them

@rigid mural aww cute

[compact shale]

Do you think the Jelly's tree was drunk?

[hushed steeple]

Plus there a lot of chill spots! Hot springs, Grandma's meals, the geyser…

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes I imagine them chilling in Orbit or, for angst, they went to Eden to die in a secluded spot so it would be hard finding them to reawaken

[trim belfry]

Good evening lore chat
I'v just finished the flight quests and have a little theory for you

Like we know in the last quest the big manta was a bit dark and crash the rocks... But why? Is the dark effects on it? Maybe but I think that strong and big light creatures in general feel anger when they see the dark hurt them and their world
And That's why the whale crash the rocks in eden too when we free the light creatures... Like they were angry but not anymore

[hushed steeple]

Good observation

I always did wonder why the big manta looked so dark

[celest fern]

Good family in the evening

[frigid tinsel]

I just assumed that was a lighting bug

[boreal bane]

You know how this inaccessible door exists in the underground cavern? What if it becomes the entrance to a new seasonal area in the future

[hushed steeple]

I'd like to see that

[jaunty tapir]

That's quite a journey just to get there

[hexed elk]

There’s the shortcut from the Wind Paths-

[jaunty tapir]

Underground cavern is kind of really out of the way for me despite the wind paths and sunny forest entrance haha. Would make more sense if that door would be another exit/way out of the possible new seasonal area since it's quite inaccessible for newer players

Wonder why they added a blank door during belonging though hmmm maybe something was scrapped

[willow prawn]

I asked Ash and they said 1. Probably an environmental lighting bug 2. It's maybe an old friend?

[hushed steeple]

An old friend!?

[trim belfry]

Okay guys even if it was lighting bug it still broke the rocks... Which mean they did the same thing that the whale did

[trim belfry]

Old friend?

[willow prawn]

The only manta I remember with that design is the one in Sanctuary that shoots you to the waterfall above the cloud location.... But I'm not dure

[hushed steeple]

I thought it was odd its called great manta. Sounds like a title.

[tulip aspen]

"i finished the flight quests and" aaaaaa

[frigid tinsel]

inb4 all light creatures of great size can smash stuff if determined enough

[trim belfry]

Yeah but in the usual cases they are so peaceful that they would not do it... But when they got provoked or incited so bad they could be danger

[hushed steeple]

What’jda think?

[willow prawn]

Oh hey people, I did Dreams last quest again and noticed some fun facts about the colliseum

First one is that the diamonds in the wall do change color like neon lights, so it was probably a very advanced point in Sky technology (as the cable car boat shoes anyways)

[floral grove]

Tbh seeing that big cute manta break the rocks is the equivalent of seeing your very nice friend get really angry. It was a bit frightening

[willow prawn]

The other thing I noticed is that at the beginning of the cutscene, the platform in the middle raises and there's a power diamond below. It goes up to the sky, but there's wind blowing you downward and I need a friend to explore better

[tulip aspen]

I HAVEN'T DONE PART 4

IM NOT READING ANY OF THIS CHAT

[willow prawn]

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR

Nevermind that, did you see the mural lights I mentioned? 🤔 From prophecy

[boreal bane]

about the geography of sky, are isle, wasteland, and vault on the ground while prairie, forest, and valley are in the clouds?

[floral grove]

Home, Isle, Wasteland and the first few floors of Vault are located below the clouds

Prairie, Forest, the higher floors of Vault and Eden are in the clouds

Valley is located above the clouds

This is how I see them

Oh and of course, Orbit is located way above clouds

[orchid jolt]

yes. well, vault is a bit iffy, it definitly starts from the ground but it may rise above them

if the part of eden we start in is above the clouds (which, considering how tall eden is supposed to be, i would think we started much higher than the part of it on the ground) then vault def rises above the clouds

[floral grove]

How is Eden above the clouds though? Are you talking about its current state with the storm taking place or are you talking about its state before the storm?

[orchid jolt]

clouds have different heights

i mean, it is technically possible everything is already on clouds and the realms we definitivly see being above them are just above a higher level of clouds

[harsh pecan]

Are the clouds above the ground? Cause y’know…Isle

[orchid jolt]

but yeah, isnt eden supposed to be like the highest peek in the world of sky? isnt it supposed to be their mount everest?

[floral grove]

I considered Isle as below the clouds because most of the area that we can explore is found beneath the clouds. The only cloudy part of Isle is the temple area

[harsh pecan]

Yes, but the clouds are literally on the ground in Isle, but in Wasteland we can see that the clouds are above it, so idk about that

[orchid jolt]

well, it is technically (VERY unlikely) that even isle is above some clouds. The oceas could just be water collected in a bowl like thing from the rain from the clouds higher up. but this is extremely unlikley and wouldnt really make any sense

[floral grove]

Oh right. Isnt there a statue after PNR that went so high that you can see the curvature of the planet?

[orchid jolt]

????????????????????????????? one you give a wl to????

[floral grove]

The low lying clouds in Isle doesn't really make sense to me in a realistic point of view but then again, it is a fantastical world afterall so I guess I shouldn't apply that kind of logic in Isle

[harsh pecan]

Old Isle made more sense imo

[orchid jolt]

oh, you probably mean either the ones that sometimes crumble in sacrifice or some statue in orbit

[floral grove]

No, not that I remember. There's a statue below the floating castle island that reached really high which reached high enough for us to see the curvature of the planet

[orchid jolt]

could you provide like a picture (doesnt have to be from you, can just get it from a youtube vid) or something? its fine if not.
Edit: you mean the elder shrine one?

[orchid jolt]

like in vault?

[orchid jolt]

this one?
https://youtu.be/cQTbXcWvi4k

[floral grove]

Woops, I thought it was a statue. Turns out it's just a mountain-top

[orchid jolt]

the elder shrine thing?

[orchid jolt]

oh, hadnt seen that before lol

anyone else find it funny when the eden bell rings and then the isle gate starts ringing? I like to thing its the isle elder yelling: "HEY YOU KID!" (the prince is the kid) "SHUT UP!" in response to the prince screaming or something. of course i dont exactly think thats what happening but its kinda funny to me.

It could also be that the prince is crying and then the isle elder starts trying to comfort the prince by letting them know that they are with them.

[floral grove]

I wonder why Isle starts ringing the moment Eden starts ringing too

[tulip aspen]

i need to play it with my cousin

also yesssd tyyyy

i dont think the elemental lights there were literally given to the elders, but moreso that the Chosen One (ruler) shared his power with the realms

[frigid tinsel]

@orchid jolt They’re prob both running on the same clock

[floral grove]

Yeah but why does Isle need a bell? What significance does that realm have?

[willow prawn]

Isnt Forest below the clouds? Since you descend and there's water running in the floor.

[willow prawn]

I recently explored Isle and I think it may be because the elder of Isle was the one in charge of helping people/spirits travel up to Eden, as you can see in the wall paintings

[frigid tinsel]

As Arabrax said, Isle elder was likely the first to shepherd people (deceased or dying) on their journey to Eden or at least the entrance to the Sky kingdom.
they were the og psychopomp

[haughty talon]

Has it been discussed that the ultimate from flight season resembles the prairie elder hair? Possibly imprinting that the QG had relation to the prairie elder?

[covert oar]

Hey guys , idk much about the lore (pretty close to like...0%)
Srry if its something obvious that im gonna ask pls bear with me

Are the spirits we collect
Those memories of them were their last moment b4 they died ?

If not what are they? Why we need to bring them to Temple?

[boreal bane]

not all of the spirit's memories were their last

[willow prawn]

I did mention it when Ash visited and said they were related! However, since they were one of their apprentices, I guess there's more similarity than just that. Maybe patterns in the pants...? + What they do

[willow prawn]

Okay. The best lore people is probably asleep now and I'm not that great at lore, but let me see

It's one of their most notables or relevant memories, and one that has a strong emotion associated with it (from which we learn emotes. Think, for example, in the Confident mama from Valley carrying a kid/small sibling. It's a happy moment, and so they share us their confidence for the pose)

But we need to bring them to the temple because of whatever reason, ||they couldn't ascend to Orbit|| and we need to bring them back

Hope it helps! Maybe ask tomorrow if there's someone else around too?

[covert oar]

@willow prawn @boreal bane Thanks!!!

[boreal bane]

i thought of a theory about how the seasonal spirits were important/famous people in the kingdom of sky, but i have no ideas for most of them.

[frigid tinsel]

FYI, Not allowed to talk about beta here

[frigid tinsel]

As Arabrax said, it’s unlikely the memories are the last ones the ancestors experienced before they died. For instance, a lot of their memories seem pleasant or feel-good. If this was moments before their deaths, then a lot of them would have died rather suddenly. This probably isn’t the case.

It’s worth noting that the spirit memories do seem to take place at different points in time rather than in the same time period. As for why they’re stuck when the means of ascension probably was easier to do before the fall of the kingdom, unsure. My idea is that darkness was always present to hold them back. It got worse after or during the fall.

[lament fractal]

My friends and I visited the elders in valley and the wall depicting vault gave me feelings of our useless prop

The wall suggests they are conductors of light and used to speak with the light beings. Perhaps our useless prop isn’t that useless

I’m sorry elders in vault

[frigid tinsel]

In Zhao’s concept art, they’re called memory cubes. Prob useless for us cos skykids can’t use them but they would’ve had utility for the ancestors

[hushed steeple]

Imagine memory cube as a prop, but you can actually activate it and it will display one of 3 images. Stuff like the mummy and baby spirit, some extinct creatures and something edenish.

Memory cubes where stashed for skykids. And skykids activate them all the time for the elevator. Belonging granpa prolly just handing out empty ones >:/

[frigid tinsel]

The loreist urge to access the memories inside the memory cubes

[lament fractal]

It makes sense. The wall showed a light line traveling from cube to cube and the elder in the middle was speaking to the weird manta type thing with one

[hushed steeple]

The manta hologram printer. :]

[rigid mural]

Holograms !

[lament fractal]

Oh so the cube things maybe made the holograms?

[hushed steeple]

They keep history like tape recorders. They where set for the future generation (us).

[lament fractal]

Wow

[hushed steeple]

Every time I do vault I wish they kept the actual cool holograms

[shut trellis]

Yeah, they look cool!

[tulip aspen]

"id say all we can know for CERTAIN, canonically, is the Elder's purpose is to ascend the spirits back to the Sky, but they can't do that until the spirit [blank]

to fill in that blank accurately, we have to think about what's required to help them ascend

1, they are trapped, held in some sort of stasis by the darkness

2, reliving their memory shows a particularly characteristic moment of their life (behavioural and 'iconic')
{{not last moment, important moment, or behavioural moment, as often believed}}

3, once released from the darkness, their memories explode across the land they loved and cherished, and the skykid is then required to follow or carry the light created by their pure, living memories

LM, IM, and BM it can't have been directly before they died, nor were all memories significant to each

What's relived is characteristic of how the spirit feels about life, their lifestyle, and their outcomes, whether it be sad, jumpy, moody, thrilling, crazy, sleepy, ectetc

from their experiences we gain the ability to express emotions, and once we finish reliving what they once had, they can finally ascend towards the temple
[we can also assume they are the ones who need us to succeed reliving that memory, because if we fail to do so, their soul remains trapped as the darkness grows over their material corpse once again]

the elder sends them skyward as you enter the Elder's domain (their own limbo)

after you die and ascend, you can see the spirits the elders sent skyward flying towards the Sky as well, but you wont find them in the ultimate limbo created by the Sky, known as Orbit

Not until you ascend them
At this point [id like to think they canonically become part of the Sky again] they 'become truly free'(?)

That's as canonical as we can establish
the three theories on memory are all extremely important candidates and vehicles for knowing what could have happened / needs to happen though"

---my base (nonseasonal quest) spirit ascension analysis

[frigid tinsel]

it's worth mentioning that skykids are probably not gaining emotions from spirits but rather learning to express them. For one thing, they're called "expressions" not "emotes" or "emotions." Also for some of them, they're probably just copying what they see without fully grasping what's actually going on – fainting warrior probably isnt "fainting."

See my previous message on the problem with the "they're learning emotions" interpretation: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

and yes i've been meaning to get back on you on that question you pinged me about earlier, i've just been busy n sick today

[rigid mural]

It's kinda funny because fainting warrior falls to their side after struggling for a few moments while our sky kid does a dramatic head tilt before falling on their back, so it's possible they even interpret what they see since they can be wrong.

This spirit memory got me laughing out loud, it's kind of dark.

[frigid tinsel]

i say "imprints" cos the wiki entry on winged light says the devs refer to them as "imprints of the children of light": https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Winged_Light_(Children_of_Light)
"imprints" suggests that it's not the actual thing, rather a mark the thing has left on another surface. If winged light are imprints of children of light or skychildren, then they are the marks or aspects of the presence skykids have left on the world.

nor was I implying there's a whole corpse there. At most, it's a spirit's body, the spirit physical form, not the ancestor's biological body. That's long since decayed. The spirit itself has been petrified in darkness. Spirit memories then may be imprints of the spirit's presence on the world

[tulip aspen]

i have a wordcount to shape jk lol i added it but yes ty!!!

[tulip aspen]

oh definitely we interpret them all way more wholesomely than they actually are

dont go and cry are my favorite other examples

[frigid tinsel]

it goes to show how naïve skykids start off as (or TGC wants this to be a family friendly game but, like, cmon, look at it)

[tulip aspen]

the official wiki?

the spirit also has no 'physical form'

theres nothing to imply that

[rigid mural]

Honestly didn't get the don't go angst, thought belonging dad was just abandoned by crabs 😂

[rigid mural]

I wonder how the spirit reacts to older sky kids that got wiser and may have seen the statues in Eden so they may understand permanent death

[frigid tinsel]

i linked where I got that quote from

"physical" visual humanoid form. This is different from that sparkle that spirits manifest into after reviving them that travels to the elder temples or, before that, we follow or guide to their memories.

[orchid jolt]

Really? I thought it was obvious they were trying to catch the crabs to skewer them and roast them on the campfire

[frigid tinsel]

when will belonging dad come back from the war /j

[shut trellis]

It is the king

[frigid tinsel]

i'd imagine their interactions become less playful and lighthearted to more serious overtime. Some spirits I imagine were serious from the get-go like Stealthy Survivor or others from the Golden Wasteland or maintain a sense of lighteartedness like Light Whisperer

[tulip aspen]

yeah dad is really unclear in his memory

during the carry portion you can see the son, who he is chasing, but then once you actually burn his corpse, it doesn't actually show much, (just him running in a direction and then suddenly stopping and freaking out) which is really weird (TGC moment)

[compact shale]

You could say Pleaful is... crabthirsty /j

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

i dont know why i think this but i swore people here had said devs said wl is not related to skykids, and assumed it was a touchy subject

thats why ive never made an analysis on wl ot commented on them

they're honestly the most sketchy non-info thing in Sky, so I really can't comment on them

y'all know i only work with info, and theories that have no possible debunk

[compact shale]

Yep. Winged light is one of the most enigmatic things in Sky.

[frigid tinsel]

something i haven't been able to reconcile about winged light and the petrified skykids in Eden is that, after they greet you in Orbit, they further ascend into the stars. All my other theories don't conceptualize with that well

[floral grove]

Have Spirits always been Spirits or were they humans first?

[icy spruce]

Spirits used ti be ancestors

[floral grove]

Ancestors as in the Elders?

[icy spruce]

No, that’s a different species

[true grove]

Spirits are ancestors 👀

[tulip aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip aspen]

yeah lol we here just use ancestor and spirit as different terms to elaborate on if we're talking about the dead spirit version of the ancestor, or the alive Being version of the ancestor

[simple elk]

hi lore chat, i have a question. Has someone talked about any theories/ideas/rationale behind clothing and/or the dyes used for it in Sky? just trying to research for my art's color scheme and wanted to ask and see =w=

[compact shale]

Oogh, the closest thing we have to dye talk is what Ash says about the paint that the Flight spirits uses

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[simple elk]

oh okay, thank you! =w= so it is organic but not from creatures...hm, i guess plants, rocks, shells etc would have to do. Thanks again!

[distant turtle]

So the jellies in game have a counterpart in real life of the same size
https://youtu.be/9bzQYKm3xTA

[distant turtle]

Grandma's table has a few flowers which are both blue and yellow. The only really blue flowers I found elsewhere so far are at Forgotten Ark.

[simple elk]

Brilliant! Plant life coming in handy with dye ideas. Thank you!

[inland dagger]

where's the upcoming ts spoilers?

[tulip aspen]

im not gonna @ the poor artist but i still would like to think the clothes and hairs are just extensions of their Light and not actually real

my theories regarding skid anatomy being just generally shapeshifty all take heavy influence from the logic of how dressing your character in splatoon works (because it's a flawless logic)

it explains gender fluidity, hair changes, etc so well

(yes ik skids are ambiguous gender wise it's beside the point tho)

[simple elk]

I'm glad my late night pondering has inspired the chat =w=; (i mean it with love ❤️ )

[tulip aspen]

actually, no, ill bring the topic further out

are skids ambiguous or genderless (no i dont know if there's a difference im not very cultured so please dont murder me)

[flint crown]

Headcannon: the dark dragon eats you to steal your light hoping that it will get it’s light back.

[compact shale]

That's what they say. The tips says something like "Dark Dragons want to consume your light."

Makes sense to me.

[flint crown]

Yes they see us as moving candles and nothing more lol

[bronze mountain]

The hair on skids reminds me so much of shaped cloud fluff I can't help but to HC it that way... Condensed and shaped like how a child might use shampoo bubbles to do all sorts of silly things with their hair. The spirits just teach them new ways to shape it!

[compact shale]

When the wind blows, baldness ensues.

||MLP proves that cloud hair isn't that easy to bring around, sadly.||

[bronze mountain]

That's a thought! I figure they stick the cloud-fluff to their head and make it stay however the same way they get it to be such complex shapes.. Stuff like the jellyfish and season of prophecy hairs are obviously just made using the same stuff as the glowy paints! /j

[cobalt palm]

Anyone else notice that the Enchantment light quests now show with the Prophecy symbols?
Maybe they are connected, or maybe its a bug

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... judging how they seem to be changing unannounced, it's possible TGC might be trying to retcon one set of symbols to establish the connection between Enchantment and Prophecy...

[cobalt palm]

Ooh the old enchantment symbols are no longer in discord :green_light:

Callback

[compact shale]

Yeah, I think they're trying to give us the idea that they're more connected/the same thing, yada yada something something, though the update might not be fully finished yet

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, I was just recalling when I was trying to link them that they were different and not actually linked, though I do not recall the source

[distant turtle]

Enchantment are late followers of the prophecy lore

[daring dawn]

All things relate back to the life cycle, from dawn to death. The colours of the capes remind me of the different phases of life. Muted brown of the dawn (which is a muddied combination of all the colours waiting to fly free), to the bold colours of childhood, to the cool despondent colours of moody teenage hood, to the vibrancy of coming into your own as an adult, to the dusty greens and blacks of the trials of later life, to purest white of older age.

[distant turtle]

Like, instead of prophecy, by that time it's become fact or legend

[daring dawn]

Hm that was meant to be a reply to @simple elk

[harsh pecan]

I wonder why they changed it…

[compact shale]

I think they're trying to retcon something and change the symbols for consistency and to give/reinforce the idea of a connection between the two.

[harsh pecan]

Ohh yea maybe

[fading gulch]

May I have a question about items in Sky? I want to ask about those hairs. Did tgc design them in an order??

[compact shale]

That's a question for the devs. Though I'm curious, why do you ask?

[fading gulch]

Well, I just wanna know how they make them. For example, Isle is the 1st map, and I wonder if those spirits in Isle are made first

[shut trellis]

Maybe, but i think the isle hairs were there in isle because they are simple hairs that either look feminine or masculine for the players. Good starting off hairs, pretty much.

[rigid mural]

They're also free hence the simplicity

[shut trellis]

Yep

Nontheless I think they are good hairs.

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, they aren't available at least from Season Of The Little Prince, as far as I know

[boreal nebula]

But... Why?!

I actually more poor that some friends of mine that reached a 4 digits counter. I myself cannot even do full CR in months

[icy spruce]

at keast u’re richer than me

cries in 4 candles

[tulip aspen]

definitely possible

[sharp lichen]

I haven’t played Sky in months! Don’t worry (And no, I can’t afford to give you 300 hearts)

[tulip aspen]

as i said before, they would also change the lights in the Enchantment cutscenes, as well as the murals, if that were true

[boreal nebula]

A recent idea in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived reminded me more of your theory of dress symbolism of megabird..

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived message

Imaging if it was a cape made of long strips (reaching the ground) and by opening it would reveal the widest wingspan ever seen

Fitting for a King

It would make Skater's Cape short in comparison

[tulip aspen]

mm
if they continue to update all the symbols I'll definitely have to abandon that theory about the prophecy lights being the most powerful spells in the world

[tulip aspen]

what

[boreal nebula]

I hope they don't get this far. After all they should respect Nodding Muralist artistic style

[tulip aspen]

time to get into my "well, rEaliSticAlLy" harshly-constructive-criticism mode again

if we look at this from a business standpoint rather than a lore one (because again why would they be trying to maintain a solid story amirite) fruity is absolutely correct

they wouldn't see changing the symbols as a problem at all, because no one cares (because what's a story)

changing the symbols, specifically for the dailies, is 'important' for them to do to maintain some kind of visual consistency for the game, and not have the player he registering so many different similar symbols and visuals across the game

{{{bear in mind this annoyance with a possible retcon only stays if they do end up actually retconning all the symbols in enchantment}}}

however, there's multiple reasons they may feel they wont need to do that

1. too much effort (lmao) to get into the Enchantment stuff and finish fully retconning

2. we're over analyzing and the symbol change is "just a thing for dailies"

[rigid mural]

There's some genuine wish to give us crumbs but when the history of sky eludes a good chunk of the devs, you can't really hope for consistency. Sky is made by multiple folks with a very vague base story (see ash telling us they don't know what some assets mean such as the petrified skykids before stormlock), inconsistencies are bound to happen.

[tulip aspen]

and that's awful

they seriously gotta get a writer to set this thing in actual stone

again, not for us, but for themselves

not only would it help them retain a newfound continuity, but also be able to make a broader expanded connected story

yea they dont need that because they already make the big bucks, but it would help seasons be interesting to players

dreams had the best story, with captivating spirits that felt like more than just characters added into the season's story for the sake of being cosmetic stores rather than actually doing anything, and everyone noticed

[hushed steeple]

Dreams spirits felt like actual characters. Other seasons spirits are developed and given information, yet dreams spirits stand as the different, im still trying to think why, but I think it might be just because each one has variety. They are not all young or all old, each one plays a role in the village and interact with each other. It prolly helps that two have pants, which make them have unique outfits.

I feel like devs know the big massive story beats (that I bet we already figured out) but don’t have the details figures. Things like where skykids came from and why, they know. But about why symbols change, the geographical history or maybe even glowboys, they can change on a dime. Hence why sometimes memories or areas change during seasons like isle spirits during prophecy or the colosseum and some citadel spirits during dreams.

[tulip aspen]

prophecy and the story of the trials and chosen one are literally the only continuity we actually have

[hushed steeple]

Pretty much. That and a few dev QnA. For concept art it grants a much better idea of what happened, but you gotta cherrypick what contradicts current continuity.

Welcome to the deepest layer of sky lore: theres not.

[tulip aspen]

and no I don't think they have even the most basic parts of the story together, particularly when they can't even decide when they want the "stars [to have] fell"

[hushed steeple]

True. Why the stars fell would reveal everything. Including when. Its hard to say what they keep under wraps and what isnt decided on to begin with.

[tulip aspen]

well the initial original intro already had made plenty of sense enough

"Darkness came and the Stars fell" was before the kingdom was created

I've already deduced that the Stars meant the first CotL, and as for Darkness we didn't need to understand much more, it's just some vague awful thing that happened and still happen for a while, to the Sky

HOWEVER, in the second intro, they say the Stars fell AFTER and not before the ancestors built their Kingdom

I'm absolutely certain someone on their team made a mistake, and clearly since no one ever pointed it out, it just never got fixed and they've been able to get away that for a year now since prophecy

and they'll probably get away with it forever, because they can just hide their mistakes by retconning the story

to us it means everything, but to them, the writing of this millions of dollars game can be changed on a whim of their word during a stream

[hushed steeple]

I never believed skykid generations theory. I think the stars that fell are ancestor spirits and elders. It could actually feasibly be either way for if the stars fell before or after. If the elders fell first it could have been King and his corruption that caused eden to explode, and the spirits to be trapped and the stars to fall. But if the elders fell due to the stars already falling, then whatever happened was not kings fault, but he made things worse.

I think some intro stuff in Japanese said “the spirit that made the mistake” and one of the intos said “I cast them away” that would mean one of the spirits or elders, maybe all of them, did something wrong in orbit, and got cast away to the land. That fits the idea of fallen angels.

[distant turtle]

I think maybe the old intro just isn't a major part of the in game events so they changed the focus. I liked the old intro better but it's OK

[tulip aspen]

changed the focus to what?

the old intro made sense, and the new one doesn't

unless they literally don't want the story to ever make even the slightest bit of sense?

what does that even mean?

[distant turtle]

It isn't part of the game anywhere so far, how the elders came to be here. The fact that the ancestors all died, on the other hand, is a major part of the game.

[tulip aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[distant turtle]

Therefore, they changed the reference of a fall to refer to the ancestors instead of the Elders. The new intro is all about "a new home in the clouds" from the first intro, and the first intro events are pretty much eliminated now

But I choose to believe that the first intro is still Canon.

[tulip aspen]

'the stars fell, and they built a kingdom'

'the elders helped them skyward'

the elders were sent by the Sky to ascend spirits

[distant turtle]

The Elders are fallen demigods or something, but we aren't treated to any historical lore about them anymore. But I choose to believe it still happened and still matters.

[tulip aspen]

it makes sense

it should be canon

but it will get retconned the moment fruity or i ask them if the stars fell before it after the kingdom was built

[distant turtle]

It happened twice. From Orbit to the Sky Kingdom in first intro, and from Sky kingdom, new intro plus Switch Trailer both show this.

[tulip aspen]

we can't assume the elder's fell, and while the ancestors have no purpose being on earth, the elder's purpose is to return spirits to the sky

so no the Elders did not fall, they were sent

read my intro analysis above for all the info

[hushed steeple]

Honestly back when we had the old intro, we discussed if its order of events might be off. We see ancestors living on land before the stars fell. I think it was a cycle of life and death. The ones waiting for rebirth, and the elders are the fallen.

One of the lore docs states the elders where part of the fallen stars. We even see an elder fall in stargazers memory (if you believe prince prophecy mural victor theory).

[tulip aspen]

hm??
I'm not sure i understand

[distant turtle]

First intro is gone, but I choose to believe it's twice anyway. Switch Trailer has established unequivocally that stars fell now refers to ancestors extinction. Plus new intro.

[tulip aspen]

i don't understand why no one understood the first intro

I've always understood it, and that's why i wrote it accordingly in my analysis

[tulip aspen]

i don't see any evidence in the cinematic trailer that points towards the extinction actively being called "the stars fell"

[hushed steeple]

Other then them falling at the end and isle being vacant after that point

[distant turtle]

I take the original intro at face value. The Elder constellations and a leader are shown, then darkness, they fall and make a new home in the clouds.

[tulip aspen]

exactly

[distant turtle]

Oh, the camera pans up, the stars fall, the camera pans down to show the now ancient Isle

[hushed steeple]

I guess my only evidence the elders fell as stars also is the lore docs which come from streams which are not around anymore and could be retconned anyway. And the idea elders are like fallen angels. Which is just speculation. Even if fallen stargazer child is Prince, he could very well be an exception.

[distant turtle]

I think it doesn't matter anymore the origin of the Elders. TGC probably found the old intro too specific about deep lore which is out of line with the norm for Sky

My choice is that the old intro remains canon but I'm sure TGC would say we're free to decide on our own

[hushed steeple]

Maybe someday they will decide on the reason the stars fell. If it was King, elders where on land before hand. If they where on land beforehand because they fell, there is two falling of the stars.

[tulip aspen]

that's... the timeline for the second intro

the quote "darkness falls" happens in the beginning in the first

[hushed steeple]

If Elders never fell, they where either never in skykingdom, as they are now, or where set in sky kingdom. But if then, why did Prince fall?

[tulip aspen]

my argument against the elders falling first has always been the fact that the voice speaks of the elders, so that's why it can't be them

unless the elders use the royal We

i really do think the voice is the Sky

[distant turtle]

Whatever this is, is before the Sky Kingdom.

[hushed steeple]

In new or old intro? Im completely certain its a spirit in new intro.

[tulip aspen]

IF the prince is the chosen one, they are just one of the many children of the light stargazer kidnapped to do the trials

so they aren't an actual elder

[hushed steeple]

Why would skykids be sent before spirits needed saved?

[distant turtle]

I agree that it would be sad if it was a mistake or that whoever wrote the original intro is gone and nobody remembers

[hushed steeple]

Hmm. Its a japenese livestream that said elders fell......a lost english livestream said it was spirits/ancestors.....

I never thought if elders fell or not would be so crucial hhhh.

Wait I just hopped in here

Is it confirmed that not even the devs know what the story is supposed to be? Or is this just a conversation of what might happen if that were the case?

If they know, well, then they sure have changed it a lot. Intros and information given in livesteams seems to be constantly changing and never confirmed.

[distant turtle]

For now, my personal choice is that the spirits are telling us their history using the language of the first intro, which would have been a common legend about the Elders, when the ancestors were alive. Now they express their own Fall in similar terms.

[hushed steeple]

Either way, we have 2 or 3 versions of the order events may have happened based on different quotes and intros.

[distant turtle]

Ash is an artist and relatively new, but there are others who are officially on the narrative team.

[hushed steeple]

Im dying to get in “if elders fell” to a question livestream. Hh

Just to know what version we are on now

Well a part of the current intro I remember is that the game instructs you to rescue spirits by reliving their memories, "the spirit awaits you with an offering of gratitude in the Elder's Temple," and a little prompt that says that once you rescue the spirits, the Elder of that realm with help them ascend (not to be confused with the Orbit ascension)

Also the game says you can light the altar to "awaken the Elder" meaning that the Elders are still around

What if the Elders are symbolic in a way the Prince and King are symbolic?

[hushed steeple]

Then that's good reason to believe that there's a partly planned story on their end, right?

Like, they are only there as their alters, as they are now?

I feel like they had to be physically there at some point, due to all the murals depicting them with ancestors and in the realms.

[hushed steeple]

I don't know, really; I just pitched an idea

But if that's the case, then it makes sense that we only get to wear their headgear/mask as Skykids

Because analogous to the King, their hair and masks are the only distinctive features I think

In the sense that they can be recognised by those features alone

Imagine Lumberjack getting mistaken for Teth

…aaaand theorizing came to a screeching halt.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[robust flare]

If I may describe where crabs come from.... -> Carcinization is THE ANSWER. All crab 🦀

[hushed steeple]

That's it, that's the answer, confirmed

[robust flare]

Someday we will all take the ultimate form. Only then may we be free

[tulip aspen]

"the stars fell and built a kingdom"

stars=CotL
ancestors=kingdom builders

A=B
B=C
A=C

the ancestors fell as children of the Light

[mystic cosmos]

Do we know if there will be a sky 2, or even more content added on to the game other than seasonal storyline and quests?

[hushed steeple]

I think skykids are the next generation. Not ancestors. Since from their design upward, they are built to be hybrids of ancestors and light creature. Plus like, spirits kinda.....didn’t rebirth as skykids like skykids do.

[icy spruce]

*crabcinization

oh hi Ash

[tulip aspen]

the voice talks about elders in the second intro, and its highly unlike they're using the royal "We"

so i really dont think the elders fell, they were sent by the sky to ascend fallen ancestors

[robust flare]

Skykids are supposedly a subspecies of ancestor and creature, so I think the skykid came after

[karmic ledge]

I think some answers of mine to some particular questions maybe gave off the wrong impression-we do have an internal narrative 'bible' which details the story, meaning all the important storylines and elements of each realm is available to all devs.

However: some more obscure things like the stone statue near the wasteland catapult and the stone figures in Eden, and what bearings those may have on lore-stuff like that wouldn't be widely available as I imagine it was some part TGC artist who added them in for effect, so in my case I'm not sure if the original intent was with those! My guess is that those statues are more like "flavorings" to help give the atmosphere of the level, and intrigue players mind as to who they may have been before being fossilized. Just for example!

But to assuage your worries: yes the devs know the story. However, some season stories are more like spinoffs rather than things that tie directly into the main overarching storyline. While the dreams skater might not have tied into the downfall of the kingdom, there's still merit in fleshing out the lives of all the characters who lived in the kingdom in the past!

[lofty void]

A-ASH???

[hushed steeple]

Just because its not an elder talking does not exclude them from falling if elders AND spirits fell.

[icy spruce]

ye

[robust flare]

Also the elders probably didn't literally fall. I think there's two parts to every being; the body, and the light

[tulip aspen]

skykids were sent by the Sky
for coherence, skykids are players, but there were ancient CotL: Ie multiple generations

the original CotL fell on accident, but we were sent by the Sky to save the original CotL: ancestors

[karmic ledge]

We also work with Jenova on each season, so he definitely has insight onto how each season's story is told and how it fits into the overarching story and setting of sky, including for each realm. I saw someone theorizing that season teams are doing their own stories without Jenova's oversight-that's not true.

[robust flare]

I think a big piece of this puzzle is figuring out the winged light, light children connection

[hushed steeple]

Do devs know where glowboys came from and if the elders fell as part of the stars?

Ash pinged me my life is complete

Thank you for the answer! Also I think you just confirmed my headcanon that seasons are "Slice of Life" type of thing in Sky

Meanwhile in the world of Sky…

[frigid tinsel]

iirc devs said at one point there is no gender in Sky. So even if they present in ways that we code as masculine or feminine, they don’t have those connotations in the kingdom’s culture.
aka everyone is agender & nonbinary

[karmic ledge]

So while again maybe not every season ties into the deep and dark parts of The Lore (TM) (although some seasons do tie in more with The Lore (TM) that you guys crave!) and may be more side stories focusing on some characters who once lived in the world, they're also important parts to fleshing out the world of sky itself. Think of it as getting to know the locals!

[tulip aspen]

that makes sense!

can we kill my fire and just get it out of the way: In the original intro the stars fell before the kingdom was built, implying the stars were beings, but in the new intro made during prophecy, it says "darkness came the stars fell" after the kingdom was built, implying the stars falling was the apocalypse

which is it?

[hushed steeple]

Glowboys and if elders fell.....I hope someday we might find out

[tulip aspen]

im so glad to know theres a story bible

i can breathe a bit better

[karmic ledge]

I also have to give a disclaimer: Sometimes I really can't answer because we may be saving that answer for future content.

as such

[karmic ledge]

WAFO 🧇

[hushed steeple]

Also why this conversation gotta happen when I need to be snorping

Thats.....kinda relieving actually.

[tulip aspen]

welp, sucks i have to WAFO y'all would actually retcon the original story a year into the game's launch

(not "y'all" yes ik it's more complicated)

[karmic ledge]

The wording of the intro in particular has gotten changed a few times iirc, including when it was back in Beta, but the actual 'origins' of the story that the intro relates to has remained the same since launch!

Sometimes it may be that wording could also be changed because of how it translates into other languages-perhaps it could be changed so it's a clearer translation elsewhere. Not saying that's the case in this situation, but it could be!

[hushed steeple]

So…
Exactly who "fell?"
And where did they fall from, and where did they fall to?

[robust flare]

Thank you so much for clarifying! I was getting stuck and it really helps to hear from someone on the inside 🥰

[hushed steeple]

Imagine why the stars fell is revealed in the last season of the game half a decade from now

I would prolly still freak over it BAHA

[hushed steeple]

Where do I fill a form to become a translator for Sky

(Half serious)

[karmic ledge]

Actually the answer to that question has been in the game since the the beginning of when the game launched

[hushed steeple]

King? Not king?

[karmic ledge]

Actually, if you do come across any weird translations you can always submit your feedback into #live-feedback or #beta-feedback !! We've had some community members help out before with providing better translations than what we've had.

[icy spruce]

WEONG SERVER

[karmic ledge]

Where are the screenshots of my messages being sent....

[hushed steeple]

Perfectly correct server >:]

[karmic ledge]

Hello to the other mysterious server

[hushed steeple]

Help I'm trying not to laugh too loud and sounding like a dying whale

[fickle wing]

forbidden theory
isle elder is actually the staff not the person we see
you never know what secrets this geezer might b hiding

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I remember thinking for a second spirits didnt die due to “we lived as spirits” till switch trailer came along to stompy that

[karmic ledge]

The staff is actually an AI which has constructed a chassis in the form of isle elders body

(im kidding)

(the real AI lives in their beard of course)

[hushed steeple]

I actually had a headcanon at one point about the Isle Elder being the King or one of those deities

But really, should we be suspicious of the Isle Elder?
(Not necessarily in a bad way)

[fickle wing]

idk id say they’re kinda.
sus
cue that one mural in isle that looks like among us

[icy spruce]

tbh, we should be suspicious to all of the elders

[frigid tinsel]

isle elder is just a psychopomp who was laid off and is jealous these literal children stole their job

[fickle wing]

yknow what gets me most
isle is. One of the elders we know most abt probably thru that one character card thing concept shown in a presentation n a bunch of other stuff yet they’re one of the least favorite iirc according to trust one poll sky twitter posted once

[lofty void]

wh-who was the favorite
who am i kidding its probably the twins LMAO

[hushed steeple]

Always wondered where that came from

[fickle wing]

grandpa needs more love i swear (used the concept name here dont mind that)

YEAH I THINK THE TOP FAVS ON THST POLL WERE LIKE. THE TWINS N FOREST

[icy spruce]

we all know Kakashi hair guy is the fav among the twins

[lofty void]

i vouch for mushroom twin personally

[frigid tinsel]

i still hold that isle elder names all the moths

[fickle wing]

it comes from one of the presentations linked here (i think)
cant remember if it was the gdc one or gnomon

[hushed steeple]

This is an interesting perspective and will definitely fill out a few holes in a headcanon that lives rent-free in my head

[raw crypt]

https://youtu.be/wQP9spsb_IQ the GDC one!

[karmic ledge]

Jennie! Jennie is great

a fun fact: jennie worked with stan lee

[fickle wing]

knowing that isle raised the prince Broke me man i swear like
maybe that’s why they’re not on the eden door
poor geezer didn’t wanna lock away his son

[karmic ledge]

in another universe maybe Sky is part of the marvel universe

[hushed steeple]

Very handy that a certain starchild happened to fall in Isle then

[lofty void]

can you imagine the twins being part of the avengers

[fickle wing]

also canon kin list moment

[karmic ledge]

this is a crossover id like to see someday

[wooden crypt]

Time to take all this info to the mysterious server /hj

[karmic ledge]

forest elder as the Sky version of ironman probably

[icy spruce]

already did

[cobalt palm]

So we have established that the lore bible exists, and the answers are already ingame.
Tinfoil hat time

[wooden crypt]

Chesca you speedy speeder

[lofty void]

speedy

[hushed steeple]

Meaning it's had its own movie

I wanna see a movie based on Sky

So yeppy. Big revelations figured. Not lil stuff.

and figuring whats still relevant still gonna need time

[cobalt palm]

OMG yes, in the style of the switch trailer

[wooden crypt]

[fickle wing]

switch trailer makes me go RABID
knowing that isle had all that greenery makes me go feral who knows what changes might’ve went down w the other realms too

[hushed steeple]

Although it defeats the purpose of lore speculation if you have the entire story laid out in front of you

So far we got.....prophecy.....as solid stuff. We could stand to have a lil more pointed out.

[frigid tinsel]

a movie could still keep things vague. even if did spill out everything directly, there would still be blokes who'd speculate over what really happened

[hushed steeple]

Same! Like if the realms look so scenic now, imagine them in their days of glory

Then cry for the destruction

[cobalt palm]

As Ash says, there are lots of characters, just knowing the broad history doesn't give the juicy details of character arcs

[robust flare]

I have a new question! My mom and I do some house histories and genealogy stuff. I'm wondering if the lives of "plain" people are erased in the game? Are the poor people's homes torn down to build "modern" ones? Are grand buildings left, safe and sound? Are the legacies of common folk ever erased from history?

[hushed steeple]

Like anyone who doesn’t soak in concept art prolly still wont know about King and Mega.

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids: can we have deep lore?
TGC: no we have deep lore at home
Lore at home:

[karmic ledge]

I've gotta go but I'll leave you guys with a little vague lore tidbit for you guys to pick over:

For spirits with animal masks, the kind of animal that their is relates to the role they had when they once lived.

[fickle wing]

yoinking this and RUNNING

[cobalt palm]

That's some deep lore right there

[hushed steeple]

Turtle life forever

[raw crypt]

TIME TO DRAW

[icy spruce]

Earth prophet was spiderman??

[karmic ledge]

you solved Sky

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, question for Ash

Did the spirits/Elder ever know exactly what caused their fall/death? (Either in life or in death)

Or did they never see the destruction coming?

[karmic ledge]

now i really want to see that drawn though

[karmic ledge]

I think near the end it became pretty apparant

[fickle wing]

bro……cant believe fire prophet was in the lion king

[cobalt palm]

Spider prophet,
spider prophet,
prophecises with webs and circles

[frigid tinsel]

was fire prophet Mufasa or Simba, cos that's an important distinction

[icy spruce]

prolly that one distant relative

[hushed steeple]

Oh no. Skater girl rises to fame after death

[hushed steeple]

Someone help me decode this

[cobalt palm]

It's all diamonds 🔹🔶

[hushed steeple]

They knew they gonna die boiiii.

I always thought thats why they stashed info in vault.

[robust flare]

Please, I want to know if erasing the lives of common folk is present in Sky 😭

[fickle wing]

yknow what’s interesting abt that part
vault was referred to as an oracle meaning they could’ve known. The fall was coming

[cobalt palm]

Seems I came into lore chat at a fortuitous time

[hushed steeple]

Same but I kinda thought they didn't see their destruction coming

Because from Flight, the spirits seemed really frazzled that the wind paths are getting destroyed and they needed our help

If you know a disaster's going to happen, you prepare for it
And I don't see that preperation in Sky

Fixing up flight gates happenes post eden in times of skykids

[cobalt palm]

I guess one question is, do the "memories" know everything the ancestors they are from knew at the time of their death.

[lofty void]

readies pencil im gonna have to learn how to draw earth prophets mask

[frigid tinsel]

historically, the falling of empires and kingdoms are seldom sudden. sure, there are dramatic events, but it takes years – decades or centuries – of decline that many living through the fall don't recognize as a fall.

[hushed steeple]

Then a very strong argument can be made for the fact that the residents of Sky did see the destruction coming

[cobalt palm]

I. E. There is a connection between lightseekers and assembly, my thought is they were spirits leaving memories at different times of their lifes

[icy spruce]

do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it

[sly lake]

I wonder if the spirits were in hibernation until Skykids came and re-awoke them, so therefore they did not expect the Wasteland entrance to pollute the Wind Paths in such a way?

[boreal bane]

[frigid tinsel]

spirits are petrified in darkness until skykids chase away the darkness to reawake them. it's uncertain if they're conscious or not frozen like that

[cobalt palm]

Can anyone but skykids see the spirit memories?
Or are we specially connected to the light to be able to see them?

[hushed steeple]

Exactly – which is why the wording can be so confusing

"Darkness came and the stars fell" but like…in one fell swoop? Did the darkness creep? That type of ambiguity

Because a kingdom falling to darkness can't fully be treated the same a kingdom just…degrading over time like we see in history

[mystic cosmos]

I'm just sitting here soaking this all up...

[cobalt palm]

Also ambiguous in order, did the darkness coming cause the stars to fall, or did the "falling of the stars" cause darkness, or are they two events which happened but uncorrelated

[hushed steeple]

That's certainly something to ponder!
My idea was that the timeline of this season is very close to the final blow to the original Sky kingdom – they saw the kingdom thrive, they saw it destroyed, and they saw the awakening of the Skykid.

[tulip aspen]

yes, in the intro

[sly lake]

My understanding is the memories which we trigger are only visible to ourselves, but the spirits can be seen by other spirits. Such as in flight quests, the spirits can and do interact with each other. I wonder if they realize they're dead?

[hushed steeple]

Be very careful because this conversation can go to some very emotional places

[hushed steeple]

Why the stars fell and not just the stars fell?

Why darkness came to begin with when the light was supposed to be infinite?

[frigid tinsel]

they're probably aware that they're dead. they go to the elder temples to ascend. nevertheless, there isn't any indication spirits are unaware of each other

[sly lake]

Maybe it was their belief that the light was supposed to be infinite, and that they're shocked that in fact it may not be that way.

[hushed steeple]

It's already confirmed that the spirits interacted with each other

And the Elders also have their own dynamic

I would sit with a strong drink of dark water for a splitsecond if the reason darkness came, was because, darkness just came.

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps there was a balance of light and dark that made light seem infinite, but that got disrupted and darkness took a greater sway over the world than it should have, cutting off and overwhelming the light

[cobalt palm]

Also, "if only they had listened" who to who?
I'm guessing the "they" are ancestors, but who or what where they supposed to listen to?
The Prince? Megabird? Listening to the universe in general?

[tulip aspen]

fr it's amazing

[hushed steeple]

…that…that just reminded me of a really funny thing

[sly lake]

In human history, it was a strong belief that Earth was the center of the universe with everything else revolving around it. Perhaps that same conception of the light being infinite is a similar circumstance of belief. When your leaders and fellows all say that the light is infinite, what have you to worry about when it comes to using it for trivial means? Until it one day starts to run out? Like humanity with it's fossil fuels, even.

[cobalt palm]

Also notice the stars made homes in the clouds after they fell.
So the kingdom of Sky was created after the fall and coming of the darkness.

[tulip aspen]

imagine being at the edge of a nuclear explosion radius and watching the sky suddenly glow

[hushed steeple]

I figured the “darkness and light are more nuanced that just good vs evil” was like, darkness, was the punishment for abandoning light, like how it is biblically. But.....hhhhhh....I guess.....it could be darkness just because.

[cobalt palm]

I believe someone said that darkness was a natural state, so yes more nuance that darkness = bad

[tulip aspen]

that feels more like a primordial mystery rather than part of the ancestor's story

all we need to know is darkness made them fall, and the Sky sent the Elders to ascend them, and when that failed and there was a war and a nuke, they sent us much much later

[sly lake]

Or maybe the light, in a fit of hubris, created new life and new cities thinking that it itself was infinite. But that act was to eventually be its downfall.

[frigid tinsel]

there are some very very prominent environmentalist themes in this game

[tulip aspen]

the light is just the Sky, the Light

it doesnt seem like it intended to have the ancestors have spirits or any worldly affairs even

[hushed steeple]

Darkness seems in my view, to be instinct.

[lofty rover]

I see there was lore leftovers, a cat has come to claim her bits.

[tulip aspen]

ash y u skim around my question and not actually acknowledge it says the stars fell after now instead of before????

(dont answer, im not actually complaining, im really happy with the material we have rn)

[cobalt palm]

There are plenty of juicy chunks of lore left

[icy spruce]

Hallo Resh :D

[lofty rover]

You go to sleep.

[hushed steeple]

That was basically my question too. I think we both got wafo-ed

[hushed steeple]

So you see it coming but can't do anything about it. nods Sounds about right

[tulip aspen]

yeah it's very morbid so let's not get too explicit about the event unfortunately

[cobalt palm]

Ash certainly has a way of giving hints and only making you have more questions.
Just look at the fortnightly travelling spirit hints

[sly lake]

There's many stories like that, where the people in the past can see the end coming, and therefore just try their best to preserve their histories for the future rather than their lives. I'm sure vault elder felt the same.

[lofty rover]

The elders watched their civilisation go to ruins. It was one of those disasters that you see from start to finish, know everything, can't do anything and yet can't take your eyes off it

[hushed steeple]

On one hand, bird mask= performers starting to look a lot more canon

…imagine me going to sleep on that happy note

[lofty rover]

Postman doing peacock dance for the yeti

[cobalt palm]

Rabbits seem to be ones that run about a lot

[hushed steeple]

The prophets are easy to list since they are prophets. Patience balence palence and wallence

[lofty rover]

A sassy weasel.. what do weasels even represent

[hushed steeple]

Shiftyness and cunning?

[hushed steeple]

I have established that there are two ships in Sky

(Please don't take this as canon or serious speculation or anything; I'm just having fun)

1. Postman and Yeti
2. Shy spirit and umbrella spirit

[lofty rover]

I vaguely remember a weasel in a barbie movie as the evil side kick.
It was princess and the pauper wasn't it.
Edit 2: all barbie villains look the same

[hushed steeple]

I saw Blushy and layedback Pioneer get shipped. Which I think is ironic since Blushy is like the only spirit (aside from maybe Post) in the game seen having a crush.

[icy spruce]

it’s another one

the antagonist is a woman, true lmao

[lofty rover]

Rapunzel

[cobalt palm]

3. Wasteland captain and his literal ship

[frigid tinsel]

but that ship... sunk

[hushed steeple]

I am a disgrace to Lore chat for forgetting them

[cobalt palm]

Heartbreaking 😭💔

[lofty rover]

Let's not forget Resh (other one) and Diamond.

[hushed steeple]

Technically all of them did because these are all dead characters

[fickle wing]

man w that spirits animal masks represent their role thing can’t believe that provoking performer(crab mask) attacks skykids and charges into em smh

[frigid tinsel]

ships can sail even if all of them are dead

[lofty rover]

Tbh I don't understand sky crabs let alone crab mask

[hushed steeple]

Oh dang nevermind birds=performers theory

[lofty rover]

Disney Pixar Rio I wouldn't know I just know it existed okay

[icy spruce]

ye

isn’t Rio BlueSky?
Then again, Disney bought BlueSky and proceed to delete it

[fickle wing]

hold up
w the earth prophet spiderman joke would this make air batman

[cobalt palm]

I know it was beta, and they haven't been back as a travelling spirit since the names, but the non-localised version of that spirit in a quest was "sarcasm"

[hushed steeple]

Prophecy guide deer mask??? What does deer represent?

[frigid tinsel]

crabs probably were different during the Sky kingdom era than they are in the present. the crabs who attack are covered in bits of darkness while passive crabs are clean. darkness prob makes crabs hostile

[lofty rover]

And tony stark made the space station

[fickle wing]

also making a list of all spirits w animal masks rn and man dreams rlly is just bird mask bird mask RABBIT and bird mask huh

[cobalt palm]

And yeti hair

[lofty rover]

I wonder when we'll have big foot and lochness monster

[hushed steeple]

I mean, a dancer, a spinning dancer, an ice dancer.....

[compact shale]

Holy frick I just missed the lore beaning

[fickle wing]

im not sure if yeti rlly counts since ?#?#? are yetis even animals idk

[cobalt palm]

We have big foot at home
Big foot at home:

[hushed steeple]

I attended it at the expense of an hour of sneep snorp
Must go now

[frigid tinsel]

sleep is good for you. go to bed

[lofty rover]

I kinda feel there are things that exist in "lores" irl, in sky

[rigid mural]

hello ash

[hushed steeple]

Just missed her mate.

[rigid mural]

i know, i was too busy shooting dope screenshots in orbit, i think only the dead sea could be saltier than me rn

[lofty rover]

Atleast you got your Eden run, I was at the geyser

[compact shale]

We need an "almighty bean rain" sticker

[rigid mural]

Next time this happens, can someone ask ash if they come here because they want to or if TGC asked them to ? could tell us which questions they can answer and which they can't/won't.

[hushed steeple]

I find it hard to imagine TGC mandated lore visits

[barren ruin]

I love how all of my friends have decided that our Skykids's ancestors are one of the spirits that were active when they joined, because one of my friends joined when the only spirit around was Samantha, because that means my friend's skykid is canonically just some staff member's kid XD

[compact shale]

Lorebean meteor showers from demigods /j

[rigid mural]

I mean, that's what a PR team is for. This lore chat is where a good chunk of lore nerds got a foot in to relay info to their own group.

Basically, if Ash comes here because they were told/greenlighted to, it's possible they were given crumbs for us.
If Ash comes here because they feel like it, their answers will be more interesting if we ask them stuff pertaining to their job.

[hushed steeple]

I feel like im more convinced they know what glowboys are now.

[compact shale]

Ash is so generous to come back just 5 days later (for me this beaning and the Flight beaning are about 5 days apart)

[hushed steeple]

They prolly have a new timeline or something. The lore bible has the general story of each realm....I wonder.....how much is actually new...

[rigid mural]

maybe we got a big drama coming and they need us in a good mood to take it lol

[barren ruin]

It's inordinately funny to imagine just a normal person with a job sending their kid off to collect lights and therapize ghosts

[hushed steeple]

THERAPIZE GHOST HHHHHH

[lofty rover]

I see a huge map with all dots connected on some wall

[frigid tinsel]

that's just lore chat at this point, let's be honest. we got so many docs and screenshots floating around

[hushed steeple]

Slightly more convinced of a singe fall instead of elders falling first too.

Caused by darkness that just came because it was bored

[lofty rover]

Everyone falling down together like sky kids falling down the flush in GW

[barren ruin]

Update: Friend's skykid apparently refuses to awkwnoledge Samantha as their parent and instead insists its the skater from Village of Dreams

Which is honestly a lot funnier

[hushed steeple]

An actual mum this time! O wait. The skater, not the guid-oh.

[tidal valve]

since they mentioned that the flight ancestors migranted over to the wind paths, to connect all the realms together means that in the storyline the founding of the wind paths would’ve had to happen towards the later end of the timeline,

they probably would’ve built more wind paths over time of course

But, I think that scantuary is probably older then wind paths, and decsendants of the wind paths could’ve possibly lived in the islands and in birds nest because the flight bells are present in both of those areas, multiple times and not even directly at the wind path

[hushed steeple]

Sanct spirits show up in flight too

[tidal valve]

Flight bells date even before flight and scantuary! Appearing in tom zhao concept art

omg I just noticed something about the murals on the bells... those symbols are so rare in sky I can’t ignore them lol

[hushed steeple]

Same for prophecy pendant. I came during prophecy but I would have loved to be aware enough at that point to have witnessed lore chat freaking over kinghead.

[compact shale]

They do?

[tidal valve]

Last image is super unclear, but it’s in forest temple and the symbol is all the same and repeated, on only these areas

[tidal valve]

Probably in the final cutscene! I was going to watch a yt playthrough of the final quest so I could look at all the mentioned spirits but I haven’t gotten around to doing it yet

[compact shale]

Mmmm yes floaty bird sigil

[tidal valve]

I always thought they looked like bird claws

but I want to know why there would be a bird mural in forest temple? I think I heard somewhere somebody had an idea of forest temple conducting dark stone expirmentd on them so maybe?

[lofty rover]

Yeah the manta murals scattered across sky including office.
I wonder if we combine them all and look from above do we make the office one lol

[tidal valve]

Where’s the manta mural in office? the area just before the entrance with the water

edit: okies!! ❤️

[lofty rover]

I feel the whole light creatures moving through realms and then to orbit is like one of the symbols of "cycles" in sky. Also tells you the flow of energy I guess

[tidal valve]

Also, super obvious lore thing but I think it’s cool (just realized I forgot to save the second image....)

I like when you release the butterfly’s the light mural on the side of the jar loose their colour

Kinda showing how they harvested light from creatures (-:

[willow prawn]

TIME TO ANALYZE EVERY ANIMAL MASK EVER (yes I know I'm late I'll keep reading)

[barren ruin]

I wish there was an area aside from Home unconnected from the main Realms. Maybe via boat? I can't help but think that Home and the Realms aren't the only areas that exist in the world.

[lofty rover]

Island off the home space, my beloved

[tidal valve]

I like to think that there are other realms in sky! They are just covered by clouds as after the storm happened there were less light creatures, or it was to dangerous for them to migrate and travel, so wind paths closed off making access to these areas impossible!

Many non seasonal areas in sky also have wind tunnels and paths, like isle, prarie, the realms that are mostly above cloud level!

[lofty rover]

I also feel there was a lot more land than we now see. As we saw in the switch trailer, the sky-verse was absolutely gorgeous in a whole another way. Very different.

[mystic cosmos]

This was already brought up but… What if every season, excluding a few are showing the story leading up to the fall?? I haven’t thought this through very well and I’m pretty new to sky lore… What do you think?

[willow prawn]

I'm not sure Home does actually exists in the continuity, since it was added as a practical way to travel between realms

[barren ruin]

On a similar note, if you ||enter space in the Office and keep diving down,|| you'll end up in an infinite ocean

[tidal valve]

I think flight has the most to do with the eden storm, I can’t remember any other seasons that tie in with the fall, but I’m excited for new seasons with more lore tied towards eden

Also, while cr and listening intently to the bells, I think the way they work is that they mimic the call of the light creature, to draw them towards other areas

Like how you can call a bird towards you by mimicking them

or they mimic the call of orbit

[willow prawn]

Basically: Home, ||Office||, and ||Nintendo playground|| don't really exist. They're just figments of our imagination bonus areas for gameplay and stuff

[frigid tinsel]

Idk I have a hard time being convinced Homespace doesn’t exist in-universe. The others like Office and the Nintendo playground are obviously external, but Home?

[robust flare]

Home's weather changes (beginning of game, eden). But Idk what that means

[tidal valve]

I’d be more convinced of the home space from LA existing then the one currently tbh

[sly lake]

I like this idea too! I like to think that the discovery of new areas each season or event is a product of Skykid's healing influence on the world. As they are bringing more light to places and rescuing more spirits, more areas are unshrouded by the darkness.

[hushed steeple]

In that chinese lore map home island was there. I keep drawing home aviary hybrids. I love the idea of that lovely tower on an island.

[mystic cosmos]

I asked this earlier, but do we know if there will be a sky 2 or more storyline other than seasons and quests?

[tidal valve]

Thought I’d send the map 4 context!

[tidal valve]

Maybe only time will tell ❤️ I’m sure tgc has plans for what happens after sky

[rigid mural]

doesnt china have diff lore tho

[hushed steeple]

One lore doc said something like “in this first chapter of sky kingdom” or something. With the switch trailer, I think they could easily expand.

[tidal valve]

maybe, I think that’s more to do with censorship, multiple Easter eggs are removed in the Chinese server as well

[hushed steeple]

Nah it was a different one released for flight

[mystic cosmos]

Thanks! I’ve been wondering

[tidal valve]

Oh whoopsies uwu, wait is it on their blog post?

[rigid mural]

Oh ? I'm curious. I know they don't have days of rainbow either.

[hushed steeple]

This one, apparently from a chinese livestream, but done by an actual dev

[tidal valve]

what that’s so cool, they even included the little prince asteroid cape area

[hushed steeple]

Ah, ok it was done by Yui Tanabe, that map.

[tidal valve]

how did u find it if it was on a Chinese livestream? They don’t have YouTube right?

[tidal valve]

They do now

[rigid mural]

days of dragon boat is a different event

[hushed steeple]

That is from hearsay, I don’t know where the actual stream is. I guess it could just be in Chinese instead of in china...I will look for the source but I don’t know the details, sorry about that

[tidal valve]

Yeah I’ve seen a chinese server insta acc post rainbow content recently around the time of mischeif

Guess netease doesn’t want them to miss out? I think they changed the name though

[rigid mural]

wasnt it the event where they pulled amnesty international from the list of donations because some chinese players threw a huge stink

[tidal valve]

Omg no you have to be sorry ❤️ the maps so cool and the fact that little price asteroid cape area is included is so interesting to me, it’s like orbit but just for rose and prince

Maybe a kids story of orbit that apart of vault?

[hushed steeple]

Oh! Not a livestream sorry! Looks like its a part of the chinese sky SERVER

Actually the way its darkened out looks like it animated. :\ maybe theres some other animated version

[rigid mural]

forcing a laugh here because of the irony, but moving on

[tidal valve]

Maybe! Might just be darkened to highlight the paths!

[hushed steeple]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Message source link to the one who found that chinese sky map

[compact shale]

'Twas real?! /hj

[hushed steeple]

Its as real as a story or whatever artsy fartsy thing ash said

[tidal valve]

I think it would be real in a sense that little prince is

[compact shale]

Did that answer really answer anything...?

[tidal valve]

You go into the memory space of the cape, reliving a thought or a story from a physical object, sounds a lot like reading to me, but more abstract?

[compact shale]

Nghdhfbnedhgsngh

I think the actual answer would breach copyright idk

[tidal valve]

I think prince was going to go into public domain but Disney or something brought it for $$$ and probably hoarding purposes

[hushed steeple]

Disney owns tlp? I guess I shouldnt be suprised...

Theres already like 4 tlp reboots

[tidal valve]

Give it a while and Disney will own sky lmao jk but it seems like they take everything

[compact shale]

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[willow prawn]

As far as I know, the owners are a foundation with the name of Saint-Exupéry probably owned by related family members. If Disney was an owner we would probably have one movie by then already and we don't and we wouldn't have gotten a season with Sky

[tidal valve]

you can rent? Stuff out even if it’s not public domain for a period of time as long as the contract permits

Like the snake elephant symbol in the vault doorway had to be removed into the prince season pendant, little prince isn’t green in cutscenes either

Vault scholars really had to make a contract to add a book to their library jk jk

[compact shale]

Well, Ash didn't WAFO my question so I think they've said what they know, and they didn't say anything in the question that would hint to something else coming

[tidal valve]

man I live in stinky everybody asleep when I’m awake Timezone so I probably won’t get to say hi to ash during suprise bean dropping

[compact shale]

Nuuu someday you'll be lucky

[tidal valve]

Lmao maybe sky discord should make a beta ping bean system, just choose the bean drop ping and be pinged for when the beans are dropping haha

I don’t have notifications on discord anyways

Last beans was at 6am (-,:

[compact shale]

Beta beans are separate from live beans

And beta beans might explode

[rigid mural]

Disney doesn't own TLP ??? where did you get that

[icy spruce]

what, when did Disney own TLP

[rigid mural]

TLP is still owned by the author's estate, chill 😅

[compact shale]

Spicy chili flakes /j

[icy spruce]

oh okay, I was confused lmao

[lofty rover]

Wait Disney got tlp rights too

[rigid mural]

no they don't

[lofty rover]

Aw man. I wanna see rose and tlp drawn Disney way

[rigid mural]

I strongly dislike disney and would rather not live to see TLP being owned by them

[icy spruce]

I

okay tbh, TLP drawn by like the traditional Disney way is

[compact shale]

Trying to apply a face to Rose has never worked.

[icy spruce]

waht

[lofty rover]

Yeah lmao. I'd like to see Disney try. Whether they pass or fail I will have a good time enjoying/ roasting them

[compact shale]

Wait may I dm you Rose's face?

[icy spruce]

asure

[harsh pecan]

Can you dm it to me too?

[icy spruce]

I am anti-rose face

It deserves to burn in eden

[lofty rover]

I thought it would be worse. Not as bad as I imagined huh

[harsh pecan]

What did you even think it would be-

[lofty rover]

My imagination keeps me up at night at times.

[icy spruce]

we know

[tulip aspen]

you can relive cutscenes at guides too btw

[compact shale]

Yeah but you can't slow down/fast forward/pausw the cutscenes in Sky itself

[icy spruce]

That’s why YTube exists

[tulip aspen]

into English??
this answer really did make no sense to my question about the stars falling before or after

this wasn't a mistranslation, but an intentional or unintentional moving of the line

what does it mean????????

if the story remains the same as it was at launch, it has to be unintentional!
that's the only way this could possibly make sense!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAA
like i literally dont have anything else to understand about it, but it's on the tip of my tongue, and ash KNOWS im right or wrong xD

pain

[sly lake]

I think it was a non-answer, answer. But I believe it was meant as a translation from english to other languages, not the other way around.
But essentially meaning that despite the rewording, the moment of the story that the intro is referring to has been unchanged.

[sly lake]

You are thinking of Winnie the Pooh perhaps, as it goes into public domain in 2022. Or perhaps Dumbo? Many people theorize that is the reason why Disney made live action films of their animated properties, so they could re-up the copyright.

[tulip aspen]

i am aware exactly what kind of answer it was lmao

and i know what they said too xD

but saying the stars fell BEFORE the kingdom was built and then saying the stars fell AFTER, was NOT a reword; that literally changes the timeline of events stated in the intro bruv

[frigid tinsel]

Not to meme but

[tulip aspen]

i will never stop treading against this storm

i dont care if there is no true ending of the game, and you cant actually reach the crystal

im going to damn well try

[sly lake]

I don't have a reference of what the old intro said compared to our new one, could you re-share the exact quotes?

[tulip aspen]

here is my intro analysis with full sources
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

i consider this canon, but we're still working on it obvi

[sly lake]

I think the only day that Sky will get a true ending, is if the game gets shut down, or something like a new era dawns. Like with the first version of Final Fantasy's MMO, where they literally blew up the whole world because of the advent of a new game era.

[tulip aspen]

i-

i wasnt meaning an actual ending to the game, it was a metaph-

[sly lake]

Sky: Enter Bahamut.

[compact shale]

Sky: Journey's End

[sly lake]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-final-fantasy-the-spirits-within-detonation-blast-gif-21553019 Edit: aww...I forgot gifs did not work.

[hushed steeple]

Was it the one from the adventures of the lil prince series where she was a torso attached to a rose?

[compact shale]

No it's a different one and while I don't exactly like that version either I think the torso one is a bit better... a bit.

[rigid mural]

just realized but... it looks a LOT like a boat. like im no longer uncertain like in my previous screens, thats def a boat, or at least something that fell on top of the mountain

[lofty rover]

Now I am curious

[compact shale]

I think I have a picture of that too, I can DM it if ya want

[lofty rover]

As the great artist Justin B. Once said: never say never

[compact shale]

should I send you the pic?

[lofty rover]

Ye

[tulip aspen]

hmm maybe
ive always thought those were just elevated turret towers

[rigid mural]

There's lots of pipes in Wastelands, possibly a refinery thing. Would make sense for a giant ark to need giant pipes to be fed the energy to take off

[rigid mural]

Fair, could be turrets on boat tho, like that concept art of the giant ark back when Lamed (vault elder) was more like a diviner and devised the plans for the ark

[wraith bloom]

Do we only get one glimpse of the Eden Elder? Are there possible hints and secrets that tell us more about this elder?

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

ktjn is 12 feet tall

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

bruh-

[rigid mural]

king propaganda in golden wastelands

[wraith bloom]

What?

[icy spruce]

did someone say KING PROPAGANDA

[lofty void]

[rigid mural]

do you have the get reshd vid

[icy spruce]

If I don’t have the GET RESH’D VID, that’s not chesca that’s some common cheddar

[lofty rover]

I heard King Propaganda. Meaning I have to show up. sighhh [drags her feet]

[lofty void]

vela summoned the king diplomats

[lofty rover]

Aw you used my insult.

[icy spruce]

Resh, I see you and don’t even dare call me Cheetos, Cheddar, Chess, Crack, Cheese

[rigid mural]

In Golden Wastelands, some statues look like towers atop which sit stars. Since they look eerily close to the king concept art (which was an elder tied to Eden), people jokingly call it king propaganda.

[icy spruce]

KING TURRETS

[tulip aspen]

that backside tho.........

[icy spruce]

I SAW THAT JAM

[tulip aspen]

first ash dunks on me but in a way leaving me only wanting more info (dammit shes good at her job) and now THIS

YOU PEOPLE EONT TAKE ME ALIV

[compact shale]

Yes ash trolled the everloving heck out of you too

That's two on two, who's next?

[rigid mural]

canon can be whatever you want if you disregard what tgc says

[icy spruce]

we will take you alive and will force you to GET RESH’D for the rest of your life

/lh :)

I DID NOT SEE THAT, NOOOO

But I am guessinf its about (s)quirrels (i)n (m)y (p)ants ing king

[hushed steeple]

What caused the darkness to make the stars fall?

Tgc: it just did

“Got it, got it, a spirit made a horrible mistake in orbit, got it yep.”

[rigid mural]

Ash said whatever made the stars fall was in the intro at the very beginning, so they were probably pointing back at "darkness came and the starts fell"

[compact shale]

We should ask Ash "how close are we to figuring out Sky's story?"

[tulip aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk
||someone hold me down||

[hushed steeple]

Geez.

[icy spruce]

That’s a lot of links

[hushed steeple]

I saw skykids grow into ansestors in the first one. I mean.

If you really want them to I wont stop you.

[tulip aspen]

its just my intro analysis lolol

[rigid mural]

the coming of darkness was probably the event that made the stars fall
...dark stones ?
or perhaps it's like city lights making stargazing impossible

[hushed steeple]

But whaaat let the darrrkness commme???

[compact shale]

why spam tho /gen

[tulip aspen]

im just joking / in pain

[icy spruce]

a doc to add in my collection

[hushed steeple]

Ashes quote earlier is starting to look like darkness really did just come because it did. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED WHY DARKNESS CAME INSTEAD OF WHY THE STARS FELL. SHE FOUND THE LOOPHOLE.

[tulip aspen]

"not necessarily
we dont even really know what darkness/corruption is as a force in Sky's world

we know (IF IM RIGHT ABOUT FIRST INTRO BEING RIGHT) it struck the spirits from the Sky creating ancestors; humanlike Beings

we know it corrupts creatures and traps the souls of the ancestor's spirits

we know it pours indefinitely out of the fracture in the Eye of Eden, which seems to be the largest most powerful power diamond in the world

see but the fact that it has occasionally attacked the Sky throughout the millenniums, makes it sound like it's alive, like it's evil, but all other evidence makes it seem to be just some awful non-entity happenstance that comes out of the Eye of Eden like the world's worst battery acid"

[icy spruce]

F

BUT ITS NOT TOO LATE (probably, I mean I feel like Ash is cuurentky getting bean’d by tgc)

[compact shale]

Ash is this close to breaking the NDA: 🤏 /j

[hushed steeple]

Two visits in the same week! Hopefully a sign of things to keep bugging her about come.

[tulip aspen]

"the stars fell and built a kingdom"

stars=CotL
ancestors=kingdom builders

A=B
B=C
A=C

the ancestors fell as children of the Light

my analysis works because every sentence is lowkey ooozing with implications and messages, we just dont pay attention lol

[hushed steeple]

I don’t agree all stars are sky kids so......

Since I think skykids where created as a new race after the time of ancestors.

[rigid mural]

Hmmm but...
Maybe Darkness is something that happens given the right circumstances
I like that sky is an allegory of a life, with the sun's course reflecting stages of life (dawn, day, eccetera).
Maybe darkness isnt more sentient than the light is
throughout your life, you face darkness that isnt itself sentient, such as fear, doubt, helplessness... some of it is dealable with (dark plants), some of it is bearable (crabs, dark water, rain) and some of it... is best avoided (krills).

[compact shale]

I mean, the concept arts basically all but state the "allegory of life" part

[mystic cosmos]

I was just exploring the wind paths and I came to the Valley of Triumph and I saw this… Is that normal? Is it just the sun set or something??

[tulip aspen]

children of the light =/= skykids

skykids are CotL, but CotL are not always skykids
a square is a rectangle, but yadaydayda

skykids (players) are children of the light (beings from the Sky), but children of the light is not a specific term for skykids (players/descendents)

skykid is the terminology lorechat uses regarding players

there were ancient CotL tho, and the first CotL were the ones that first fell when the first wave of darkness hit the Sky

these first CotL, according to the intro, built the kingdom

[tulip aspen]

ur in an oob lolol

u should see the eggyolk, it's my all time favorite oob

[mystic cosmos]

xD okay, that’s what I was thinking. Thx though!

[tulip aspen]

go find the eggyolk, it's deep under hermit valley!

[icy spruce]

what’s ur fav place in the Village of Dreams

[tulip aspen]

vela, chesca, did i write this coherently?

im not sure

also, definitely the cliff edge at the cloud sea in hermit, but after spending more time vibing on the kalimba at the idle hot springs, that little hill edge where the sunset hits the coliseum just right, right next to hot springs, is so underrated

[mystic cosmos]

Lol I will

[rigid mural]

you're born. A civilisation's dawn.

you're a child, discovering the world around you and falling in love with it. A civilisation takes its first steps (and inevitably stumbles a few times).

you're a teen, facing the difficulties that come with everything changing, your own body becomes a stranger and the way the world works is starting to get complicated to you. A civilisation is transitioning from a rural lifestyle to a more urban one (and suffering because it is always difficult).

you're a young adult, yelling cheers as you're out of the gloomy, awkward teenage years with your newly gained freedom. A civilisation is at its zenith (but may be hiding some ugly truths, heralds of its downfall).

you're getting on in the years, feeling the pain of regret and hardships. A civilization is seeing the beginning of the end (war is never glorious, it is an unfair and ugly thing, we all suffer).

you're old, concluding a life full of experiences. You write an epilogue. A civilisation readies its legacy.

[icy spruce]

ye, ig so but I’d say Children of the Light are actually the imprints of the Child of the Light (aka, there’s only Child of the Light, but then the child got split so it’s now children lmao)

[tulip aspen]

fandom has a typo lol its imprints of the childr[en] of the light

we're all children of the light, all part of the Sky

i could see where child of light being a single important character could have evidence towards it as one of those kinds of theories, as the chosen one (the prince/king) is the ultimate glowy boi in the prophecy

[icy spruce]

wha t, but u said cotl and skids are different species

(prolly misread that tbh since I am sleep deprived)

[tulip aspen]

children of the light =/= skykids

skykids are CotL, but CotL are not always skykids
a square is a rectangle, but yadaydayda

skykids (players) are children of the light (beings from the Sky), but children of the light is not a specific term for skykids (players/descendents)

skykid is the terminology lorechat uses regarding players

[icy spruce]

ohhhh

I use the ‘=/=‘ as not related, sorry

[rigid mural]

is that what you mean

[tulip aspen]

where did you get that

[rigid mural]

i drew it on paint

[distant turtle]

Where are chibis

[hushed steeple]

Wait so when you say children of light you mean...

Glowboys? Wingbuffs, shinyboys, winglight, lighbulb kids ect ect.

[icy spruce]

shiny bois

chibis are a whole different species (/j)

esp the goose chibis

[hushed steeple]

Ohhhhh

[compact shale]

what's a goose chibi

[icy spruce]

krills incarnated into chibi (but 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000x worse)

[lofty rover]

Where are the chibis.. specially, chibi moff

[hushed steeple]

Oh so chihuahuas

[icy spruce]

yes, and chibi moffs are subspecies of the moff

and get ready for more reshroll in the future, person-whos-message-got-dleted

[tulip aspen]

you guys are amazing

[rigid mural]

sddsjsdhdsjds i just used the shape tool ???

[compact shale]

The sad thing about Paint 3d is that it could be viable if it HAD A FRICKING LAYER FUNCTION

[lofty rover]

I love paint. You can practically do anything on it if you are skilled enough.

[tulip aspen]

[icy spruce]

okay, rich person (aka, procreate user)

/j /lh /plsdontkillme

[rigid mural]

paint is free ???

[lofty rover]

Chesca that's Microsoft paint?

[frigid tinsel]

laughs in photoshop
cries in photoshop

[icy spruce]

wait waht

gosh, my brain juice has ran out (as if I had one to begin with aidndien)

[compact shale]

If you want I can render a Sky area badly for you in Paint 3d

[rigid mural]

i got procreate too, it's only 10 bucks to own it until your tablet dies.
Meanwhile photoshop...

[icy spruce]

cries in Ibispain user

[lofty rover]

I got photoshop but I never used it.
Also chesca sleep

[compact shale]

I have Ibispaint and firealpaca :/

[icy spruce]

IBISPAIN(T) GANG YEAHHHHH (aka broke gang /j)

[lofty rover]

Before someone comes here uh..
oooh yess loreee
Mhm loreee
Much loree

[neat flint]

😋 🥚

[icy spruce]

now that I look at it, it does look like sunyside up egg

[frigid tinsel]

lore theory headcanon question: the hole in skykids' chest

[willow prawn]

People, sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I was randomly flying around the Starlight Desert and thinking once again about what's real and what's not.

What if the reason why all spirits have chains is because they're real, but they're so stuck inside their mental patterns and issues (chained inside their minds) that they ended up in that strange place that seems to reflect their issues? Saying it because everyone is in a building that literally reflects whatever they're concerned with (for example, a jar for Slouching Soldier or a king's crown for the king thingy)

Also, was checking the boat of the Merchant (I forgot everyone's spirit names but you know the one, the greedy accountant), and there's the gold thingies that are used with power diamonds...

Everything has a lot of dust, like they've been there for an extremely long time

[lofty rover]

First of all: Love your hair

[rigid mural]

you're actually our savior

[icy spruce]

that’s literally ur sky hair tho???

[lofty rover]

Exactly (:

[tulip aspen]

wym render 👀

[willow prawn]

We witch hairs appreciate each other styles, that's how it goes

[compact shale]

Like drag a bunch of basic 3d shapes around to create something that vaguely looks like an area in Sky

[lofty rover]

And second of all, I really like your theory. And yes it also goes along the lines of what I was thinking about tlp

[wooden crypt]

laughs in procreate and procreate pocket

[willow prawn]

Anyways, I'm asking because I'm new to the lore channel and didn't come during the LP season, but I want your opinions. Especially now Ash told us the place IS a physical/geographical location, but might be an illusion of the Vault temple.

[icy spruce]

stop flexing on me worm, pls I know u have those just stop pls

[wooden crypt]

[tulip aspen]

oh lol

[neat flint]

You flexed about it in other servers, now sky too

[lofty rover]

So I previously have had theories about the whole thing being some sort of a mental recreation centre or where they just left them or maybe they broke out from one. And I went down that thought route since all of them have some sort of an "issue" (for lack of better term in my head rn).
Kind of how we treat issues in society

[compact shale]

question is: Why would they create that illusion?

[tulip aspen]

oh fruity and i already got that down

that's their Light

if you notice, that hole turns black whenever you pull out your candle

[tulip aspen]

id say thatd work really well

like hellish mental asylums

[frigid tinsel]

oh, no, i already have my own idea about that, was just throwing that out there to redirect the conversation but that appears unneeded

[willow prawn]

I'm very uncertain. But Resh's theory may be related to it, maybe. Or perhaps they're self-punishing themselves in some sort of dark way ("adults are so weird!"). Would also explain the greatly empty spaces: they're all in contained areas, related to whatever their obsession is.

In fact, I'm also thinking something else.... the garden in the middle with the maze, maybe that's also a way of self-punishing of the Little Prince? He's also dealing with issues and suffering through it, but the difference is that he realizes the solution and moves on

[compact shale]

The fact that it's so easy to get to Eden from there adds to the danger

Proper ascension is one thing but what if you're mentally disturbed and you think of... you know...

[tulip aspen]

maybe it's like a place of exile
a prison

people were sent there due to the war or because they refused to ascend, and the massive amount of mindmelding hologram crystals buried underneath the sands of that land form massive architectures around them, leaving them trapped in their problems forever

or maybe it wasn't a purposeful prison and just an accidental no-man's-land, but crystals nearby underneath or from the vault just had that effect on people who were unfortunate enough to wander into that land, and it has that same effect i just mentioned

i dont think the others have to be "real"
maybe the illusions also change their clothes/(forms?)

the king is just some lord of a small area who maybe was too prideful and bossy but never learned and was kicked out, the narcissist is just some ancestor who (could have been an actor but that's unneeded info) got too arrogant and full of himself

the trader could also definitely be real too, i dont see why not

[compact shale]

Wow

If they're real then we did NOT help them at all, according to Last Wish

edit: only Slouch can be confirmed.

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[lofty rover]

Yeah I actually factored the distance from Eden

[tulip aspen]

i dont think the others have to be "real"

maybe the illusions also change their clothes/(forms?)

the king is just some lord of a small area who maybe was too prideful and bossy but never learned and was kicked out, the narcissist is just some ancestor who (could have been an actor but that's unneeded info) got too arrogant and full of himself

the trader and geographer could also definitely be real too, i dont see why not

[willow prawn]

I'm not sure they were sent as an exile, maybe they wandered in there when they were supposed to ascend and never made it back.

[tulip aspen]

yes i just said that was a possibility

except the ascending part

[hushed steeple]

“Please begin heading for your death gents” but then they procrastinated on it so much they built little structures to live on on the route to eden instead.

[compact shale]

Their ship could be real, not sure if it CAN connect them to reality

In the case of asking Ash about them, a WAFO would actually be useful because it implies that in the future they could get something connecting them to our reality

[willow prawn]

Whatever the case, I think we can affirm that Narcissist was probably from Valley originally (someone obsessed with attention + Elder uniform), Slouching Soldier from Wastelands, and hmmm... a merchant with power diamond things.... maybe from Forest?

[hushed steeple]

I think anything more involving TLP questions is gonna end in “its like a story you hear or a dream you had fluttering in your heart its a part of thinking of rainbows and candyfloss fa la de da.”

[rigid mural]

a stream actually linked the spirits to realms ! you're right on the first two, merchant was prairie, ruler was isle, lamplighter forest and geographer was vault

[tulip aspen]

or it would just prove WAFO actually just means "lol not even gonna answer you"

[willow prawn]

Ohh! I haven't seen those streams yet because I didn't have WiFi when they came out and the lack of subtitles makes me wanna cry

Do you know why?

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[compact shale]

Has Ash's WAFO actually predicted something that did come out to shine more light on something?

[hushed steeple]

Wait to find out that you will never find out

[tulip aspen]

no the trader would make sense in the game universe, boat and all

the geologist too, about the power diamonds underneath the mountain's geography, but obviously his giant books def aren't lolol

[rigid mural]

geographer

[compact shale]

I guess, but is it enough to prove their canonicity?

Only bean shower will tell...

[tulip aspen]

that's a good question

i dont think ash has been around Sky long enough for that to be possible

shes only been yeeting around trolling us since, what, summer?
thats when she became technically a comm dev, right?

[willow prawn]

There are some WAFOs from past year but I'm not sure she was answering

[rigid mural]

Ash was hired 2 years ago I think

[hushed steeple]

Don’t they say they plan content 2 years ahead?

(Actually they said season planning varies, it can be anywhere from months to a year but I forgot if that also counted for how much they plan ahead in general)

[tulip aspen]

i dont need to know if they're canon

my headcanon about crystals underneath the desert creating awful mindmelding illusions sounds credible enough to me, and thats really all i need, especially since this is just a side story even if it is canon

it has nothing to do with Sky's actual continuity so even if my headcanon was canon it still doesnt answer any important questions about sky itself, yknow?

[frigid tinsel]

they had two years of content planned,they may have more planned by now

[harsh pecan]

That’s interesting

[compact shale]

Yeah true ig

I'm just awfully curious lmao

[tulip aspen]

that's not really a prediction tbh

[hushed steeple]

Oh fellas I got important question when yall in starlight. Is the cosmic manta still there?

Its been missing for myself since the seasons end.

[rigid mural]

when someone completes the first quest yea

[harsh pecan]

Same

[icy spruce]

what’s the topic

[raw crypt]

Yes! Sometimes you just have to wait for some reason? I play music there so I often see the manta but ya theyre there, friend :]

[willow prawn]

oh wait a crazy theory. You know how the lamplighter is technically the only one accomplishing a duty instead of just being mind insane. What if the lamp he's turning on affects the illusion and that's why it's his task?

[compact shale]

The maintainer of the dystopia 👀👀

[tulip aspen]

oh?
what were they?

also @hushed steeple it flies over towards the library and king's crest too, so maybe it was just hidden in the clouds from where you were

[hushed steeple]

I thought maybe the manta was projected by lamplighter. Hence its gone if he ascends. That makes no sense though considering how consistently his lamp is lit.

[harsh pecan]

Starlight Desert I think

[hushed steeple]

I always take flight tunnel down and look for it. Never see it. And I wait a while....hmmmm.

[tulip aspen]

thatd be cool, but then why would he turn it off, and also, he's dead, and one of my previous analysi says spirits cant affect anything from their limbo without the help of a skykid

[willow prawn]

I'll show you when I'm done eating! Someone asked if she was involved in the next season (gotta check the date) and they said they were, but not sure if Flight or whatever the next one is. If it's Flight, then the WAFO was found out because we had a whole blog post with concept art

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah no rush fam take ur time

i just love our loreteam here 😢

[hushed steeple]

Also to yall who still see the manta in starlight........are yall using switch?

Huh. Im on switch and that sucker alllways missing. Maybe next time. I hope its not as hard to find as the nova clock that randomly spawns in star allies.

Someone deleted before I could read it

[willow prawn]

Probably said a beaned word!

[tulip aspen]

nah lol i just didnt say anything actually helpful

[hushed steeple]

I think the memory cubes holograms have energy to them. They can create something touchable.

[tulip aspen]

seemingly so yes, but my analysis and headcanons of how Limbo works suggest something a little different

[willow prawn]

I really hope next season for Vault will let us know more about the place. I had time noticing that when you're in 3rd floor and up, a long call will reveal something like walls, but I never related the memory cubes with the illusion.

Now I did, I want to have a hint of how big may Vault actually be, why they recreate "simulations" of every realm, and like.... what's their deal.

[tulip aspen]

I have a name for what happens when you meditate
it's called "Limbo"
when you meditate, you enter this dimension called Limbo

Whenever we sit down in those white circles across the game we are "meditating", so every time you sit down in a white circle anywhere across the game, some kind of illusions is now happening.
it happens at elders, spirits can make versions of them, you imagine people cheering for you at the race in a semi limbo (the tiny circles at top of race), the trials, and when you die in eden, apparently your soul goes to limbo in a much more physical way (because you're dead and the Light is ripped from your body)

because of that last thing, we can strongly assume Limbo is just some kind of "spirit world", where the thoughts of the living and dead become so powerful they take forms

power diamonds also seem to be able to pull us even deeper into Limbo when we meditate nearby them

[icy spruce]

Limbo is more of like uhh between life and death but ye

[tulip aspen]

yes
meditating brings you into that spirit world, a not so dead not so alive state

avatar spirit moment

[mystic cosmos]

The vault is so interesting. It is the vault of knowledge and it will be cool to see what they do with it in the future.

[hushed steeple]

Well I wouldn’t count vault as spirit world. Its more.....altered, by memory cubes.

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[icy spruce]

same, Bault is fake-ish-not fake

Like, Vault os actually (very) destroyed but due to the memory lamps, it looks not destroyed yknow?

[hushed steeple]

The idea of little cubes that project images of the past was wasted. To the point vault of knowledge name makes no sense. Its “library of books you cant open”

[mystic cosmos]

It’s a pretty dreamy place and so I think it makes sense why they put the entrance to the starlight desert there. Not sure where I’m going with this…

[hushed steeple]

We could have been discussing images of mummy and baby spirit this whole time.

[icy spruce]

Lmao

[hushed steeple]

Little ghosties memories

And if vault actually had images of stuff we didnt know about. Could be a great place for cloud deer, just saying

[tulip aspen]

but we meditate while on the elevators

so it has to be happening in our minds

[mystic cosmos]

This is just a thought but maybe if we look at the vault in journey we might get some information? The games are VERY similar after all.

[willow prawn]

Not completely, because the real architecture of the place does change. As in, the physical thingies we're stepping on. Maybe it's all just a looong tower full of lamps, and when we sit, we don't only ascend but activate them (powered through the ascensor and the floating diamond in the middle)

[tulip aspen]

sorry i posted the old version of it when i was still a lore baby

here's the modern version

"I have a name for what happens when you meditate
it's called "Limbo"
when you meditate, you enter this dimension called Limbo

Whenever we sit down in those white circles across the game we are "meditating", so every time you sit down in a white circle anywhere across the game, some kind of illusions is now happening.
it happens at elders, spirits can make versions of them, you imagine people cheering for you at the race in a semi limbo (the tiny circles at top of race), the trials, and when you die in eden, apparently your soul goes to limbo in a much more physical way (because you're dead and the Light is ripped from your body)

because of that last thing, we can strongly assume Limbo is just some kind of "spirit world", where the thoughts of the living and dead become so powerful they take forms

power diamonds also seem to be able to pull us even deeper into Limbo when we meditate nearby them"

[tulip aspen]

exactly, dont you think it's weird that past the second floor the tower becomes wider??

think about it, it becomes wider the higher up you are

what someone would be implying by saying that makes sense, is saying the real physical building is actually shaped like an upside down traffic cone

is that what you mean?

thats why i have this theory

that after the second floor, we arent even getting up from the elevator anymore

it's actually all in our heads as we meditate there on the elevator

[willow prawn]

We have to consider than the first floor has a lot of space, so maybe there are things behind the tower we see, but when we ascend, the space grows However, it's hard to say without more information.

Everytime we meditate somewhere else, the physical locations do stay coherent (Skater's memory, the Elder temples, etc), that's why I mention it

[compact shale]

I saw someone's message get deleted?

[hushed steeple]

I thought it sounded too snotty so I deleted it

[tulip aspen]

yes but in vault we have a massive power diamond floating over our heads

it's canon that the diamond itself is making the illusion, but how??

ive always believed the power diamond in vault not only powers that elevator, but also sends us really deep into an illusory trance

[hushed steeple]

I think its using, the manta printers. We see Lamed n her pupils using memory cubes to project mantas. And we see that same multimanta in vault. It kinda matches the observatory theme too. How they project stars on the ceiling....

[willow prawn]

What, where?

[hushed steeple]

Top image

[willow prawn]

(Also, absolutely non related, but I just realized something. At the end of every season we usually see spirits ascend as stars but... did that happen during LP? or we only saw at the sky??)

[hushed steeple]

They prolly went “ending to lil prince more important than these greedy spirits we don’t care if they accend”

[tulip aspen]

hmm interesting

it could still be creating the illusion of mantas in people's minds, rather than physically

[tidal valve]

From what i remember the ending of tlp the spirits didn’t have a final ascending cutscene

[hushed steeple]

Each one? I guess it could be. But odd its depicted multiple people using multiple cubes at once and each having a different manta.

[tulip aspen]

they never ascended yeah
like fruity said, we never fixed their problem, in fact, prince got in the way and bullied them

so they never became enlightened, and therefore cant ascend

[hushed steeple]

Mean sassy child ruined my day now I cant go to heaven

[willow prawn]

I can agree with most of them, but my poor Lamplighter deserved more Permanently chained, how sad

[tulip aspen]

because it takes their will and memory of mantas to create that illusion

spirits are very weak, and dont meditate as easily as we do

[tidal valve]

I think they all wear chains right?

[willow prawn]

They all do, I remember that. I think the chains are also in a different color than the spirit, but I would need to search pictures to confirm that

[hushed steeple]

Blueish

[tidal valve]

My idea on elder creatures is that they aren’t older by age, but rather by rebirth and memories

so the elder creatures being after the memory cubes could be some sort of power they used to harvest their memories into the cubes?

that sounds sad and painful

[willow prawn]

@tulip aspen what was your theory again on colors on spirits?

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking more......those mantas are all sort of already dead and those are the recorded memories to preserve them.

[tulip aspen]

but the elder did it as well, idk if the elder ripped out her own memories lolol

but definitely they projected their memories into the cubes

[tulip aspen]

im not sure how well that works but it does sound pretty

archive the faded light

[compact shale]

Does storing your memories necessarily entail extracting them from yourself?

[tidal valve]

I also find it interesting that the cosmic mantas are dark, since there’s no light in vault

Also, there aren’t any bells or calls to guide them so are they stuck in vault?

Also! Like kamilico just said, maybe the cosmic mantas in vault aren’t alive and are just memories of them which is why they lack light? Like spirits are hollow and dark because they are dead and probably contained light when they were once living

[hushed steeple]

“I will preserve our history for the future generation, I sure hope they find them useful...”

Meanwhile skykids trying to move through vault fast as possible due to how slow it is.

[tidal valve]

Storing memories just makes me think of that one part in Harry Potter where they take memories out from them and put them in a bowl to relive lol

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking the cubes could scan stuff. They look scanny. :)

[tulip aspen]

"the blue background objects and things seen in memories and season quests are just representing the past, or imagery of what they must have to accomplish their wish

as we help them fulfill their wish that's us interacting with them but they aren't actually solidly 'real'

that may beg the question of how things like the ark, treehouse, and windpaths come to fruition, but maybe not
; we already HAVE seen Beings interact with the real world from their 'Limbo': the Elders

the Elders open the temple exits for us, and also the gate to Eden, as well as use their power to break the atmosphere and help creatures of Light ascend

so therefore we KNOW those long gone can influence the reality of our world

and spirits can too; the fulfilled wishes of the seasonal spirits, together as a team, have literally materialized entire structures and rearranged the skies
[[[thick blue objects like the sanct bell images and the sticks in forest are not memories, but rather objects the spirit desires and hopes to summon with your help]]]

im going to assume thats what their statement means"

[tidal valve]

Vault elder: here is my story

Skykids: heck yeah rocket piggy

[willow prawn]

I think it shouldn't considering they're storing information, but who knows. Maybe it's more like video-cameras or something? Or the HP thing haha

Cosmic mantas not being alive would make so much sense, because Vault is an enclosed place and I don't think they go through it to end up in Orbit.

Also uhh what was I gonna say OH yeah wanted to ask like, why is Forest Elder holding a diamond thingy but the diamond is the symbol of Vault. Always been confused by that

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh

interesting

the chains are dark blue

hmm
idk how canon it is tho, or if it matters

[tidal valve]

I think forest mama is holding a power diamond! All cutscenes show them, and in the enterance to eden those are the same diamonds you light to open the doors!

[willow prawn]

Guess it just symbolises they're chained in themselves. Not too much to read here

[hushed steeple]

Thats pretty much what devs said

[tulip aspen]

yeah, but good on you for checking just in case; that's how we make new developments

[tidal valve]

(-: I cant wait for the next season to come out

[hushed steeple]

Aside from lack of elder bird, im ultra happy with flight too.

[tidal valve]

Same! My fav season atm but I’ve only played like 3 lol

[tulip aspen]

fr the lore discussions are going to be intense

im honestly quite terrified because people are going to assume a lot of stuff about skykids, and ill have to constantly debunk everyone

[compact shale]

Cognitive Dissonance. Fun. /s

[hushed steeple]

Yo don’t spoil anything

[tidal valve]

I think theyd be assuming more about spirits, debunk.. what? lol

[compact shale]

Yeah, can I give you context in DMs because any more info would be spoilers?

[tidal valve]

I won’t! I don’t know anything about the next season anyways except 4 cosmetics

[willow prawn]

Can you tell me too?

[tidal valve]

Okies! But if it’s spoilers on the quests on the next season pls give me a warning! I’ll read it anyways bc lore

[tulip aspen]

ik not to spoil lol dw kami, but i can see how my vague message teases hard

[tidal valve]

(-: omg not lore related but I’ve been procrastinating hard on my phone waiting for a response back on my application and I got one!!!

Idk just excited I just saw the notification

Moving on lore times

[hushed steeple]

Think some darkness already corrupted creatures pre-prince due to prophecy mural. I think ancestors might have tried out darkstone before, realized its affects, and banished it.

Notably, Teth is already holding a diamond in prophecy mural.

[tidal valve]

(-: I try reading phrocery murals but I get to overwhelmed there’s so much

[willow prawn]

Small pre-Teth (I guess that's Forest Mama bc I don't know anyone's name) or big Teth?

[hushed steeple]

Small, forest elder teth.....whos the other?

[willow prawn]

Haha same. When the season last trial came out I just went "????" and ignored them for a whole year because I was so confused

Also, I mean. There's one pic where the Chosen one is sharing the lights with everyone around. I ask if you mean that mural or the big one with the Sky Kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Way back the I found out how to activate the murals on accident :|

[tidal valve]

Same, I light the braziers and I was like uggh huhhhhhh

[hushed steeple]

The typical interpretation is “ms stargazer n mr rejector find glowy boy and send him to trials, he wins them, gives the elements to the elders, activates(?) eden beam and becomes king”

[willow prawn]

The Chosen one is the King or the Prince? How come we have two of those if we have never seen any I have so many questions

[hushed steeple]

Hang on I got mod quotes for this

At one point she even supported and hinted at rebirth theory but I didnt grab that quote

[tidal valve]

Rebirth theory?

That being wl are king memory fragments?

[hushed steeple]

That skykids are reincarnated prince...I meant reincarnated theory I messed up.

[willow prawn]

Okay, so the King is so dead that even his spirit is dead And the Prince... it's not the one in the murals from Prophecy, right? then who's the Prince?

[tidal valve]

Reincarnated prince, Imao that’s intense