lore-discussion-spoilers

[compact shale]

Didn't know they connected geographically as well, but thank you

How close are we to completing the task we were sent down to the world of Sky for?

[karmic ledge]

thats too big of a question for lil old me to answer 😛

WAFO

[frigid tinsel]

what does WAFO mean?

[willow prawn]

Weird! I thought it was intentional. But thank you

[compact shale]

Who's your favorite spirit/ancestor from the time you've been here in TGC?

[prisma kernel]

wait and find out

[neat flint]

Wait And Find Out

[jaunty tapir]

google is funny

[karmic ledge]

It was the wasteland portal that was spewing all the darkness in once the windpaths reconnected to it....perhaps there was some urgency to getting things fixed up again! Something for you to think about 😄

[compact shale]

COME ON

I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A FUNNY WORD FOR WAFFLE

WHO TRICKED ME 🧇

[karmic ledge]

yes

im kidding its Wait and Find Out like people said

[harsh pecan]

King fact pls

[lofty void]

can we have another cursed elder fact if you don’t mind telling us

[karmic ledge]

I stole and modified something my favorite author says (RAFO-Read and Find Out)

[orchid jolt]

what is your opinion of the idea for a firefly creature of darkness that picks up wax and carries it around (this would be based on the idea that the darkness holds the light in a stasis so we can save it later. evidenced by the 3 "clean" statues/lost souls of eden shattering when we approach them). yes this is just a dumbish idea i have for a fan season of darkness. yes i know many people have made fan seasons of darkness.

[frigid tinsel]

was, so it's no longer spewing out darkness? what made it stop?

[neat flint]

Raffle? Where

[compact shale]

When I asked about it the cozy peep tricked me into thinking it meant Waffle 🧇

[prisma kernel]

#screenshots-and-videos message I'm sure this isn't lore related but since I'm here, the Flight wings are made of paper /j

[frigid tinsel]

so the allay mob in Minecraft?

[karmic ledge]

I really like the flight spirits, theyre like my brain babies 😭 i spent a lot of time developing them....BUT if i had to choose a non flight season spirit....I think grandma belonging, postman, yeti, and daydreamer are my other faves!

[willow prawn]

btw...?

[orchid jolt]

no, it doesnt bring it to you. it just carries it arround and will release it if you get near

[neat flint]

postman, yeti??? AAAAA

[karmic ledge]

WAFO

[jaunty tapir]

question! how do these islands float.... (they don't have tech underneath)

[lofty void]

please i need to torture my friends know

[willow prawn]

It's not a no, so I'll take it

So light creatures are what stop dark creatures from invading other places?

[karmic ledge]

also as far as non seasonal spirits: slumbering shipwright, cry spirit, the manta racer in citadel, and forest elder are some other faves

[orchid jolt]

when i watched the darkness fly in from wasteland, i had this idea and thought it was funny. what do yoy think ash?

[hushed steeple]

How much of past art and stuff affects current concept artist? Do you like to browse it and incorporate parts of it, or just focus on creating new? We all eat up anything that vaguely resembles familiar. BAHAHA.

[prisma kernel]

Floating islands in Sky always reminds me of the Hallelujah Mountains in Avatar (2009)

[karmic ledge]

this is actually something we thought about!! so its not the first case of islands floating in sky-but it is deliberate for a few reasons that these dont have any tech underneath. good eye!!

[orchid jolt]

SLUMBERING SHIPWRIGHT IS MY FAVORITE SPIRIT OF ALL TIME! they have a butterfly fren!

[rugged jackal]

Hello Ash
How are you doing today?

[karmic ledge]

try comparing the area with other places that have floating islands such as birds nest and sanctuary and see what some of those locations have in common with wind paths!

[bronze mountain]

manta racer...!!! The spirit that taught me how to steer at least a little bit-

[karmic ledge]

manta call is my favorite spirit to relive in sky and anyone who thinks its a bad one is Wrong

sorry i make the rules

[hushed steeple]

They are full of hoooles

[willow prawn]

Oh! And in terms of design. Was that like a galaxy mask? (Concept art) Because I wanted to say I really loved it!

[lofty void]

i need elder facts please

[karmic ledge]

Ah! it wasnt-it was just the spirit galaxy skin. but thats a really cool idea!!!

[bronze mountain]

It's fun!

[orchid jolt]

are the 3D birds and non-3D birds different lore wise? or is that just based on game limitations?

[karmic ledge]

I definitely try and take older things into consideration and see if we can reuse some stuff...but also not everything that is an old concept will make it into a future iteration. some old concepts were discarded for a reason! so its kinda a grey answer
When i see an opportunity to, i'll try essentially!

[harsh pecan]

Can we get some info on the King or the elders?

[karmic ledge]

game limitations!

[lapis geyser]

ash thank you for the beautiful season!!!

[karmic ledge]

trust me your phone or switch does not want to be loading 423434546 3d bird models

[compact shale]

Question about Belonging Grandma: When their dinner event ends, they leave in a similar way that seasonal spirits do at the end of a season. So that means they have the power to ascend and descend over and over again. How did they acquire it?

[karmic ledge]

grandma is actually the king

[bronze mountain]

gfghdhgdhghahhahahahah--

[harsh pecan]

[neat flint]

What ingredient did the spirits use to create murals

[karmic ledge]

flight spirits have paint! 2 different colors of it in fact-which ties into their backstory

[willow prawn]

Can light creatures actually fight or keep back dark creatures, then? (Not just be eaten and trapped?)

[frigid tinsel]

how do light creatures get stuck in darkness if darkness is immobile plants?

[lofty void]

Is Forest Elder a morning person

[rugged jackal]

What’s been your favorite thing you’ve worked on so far?

[compact shale]

alright... were animals harmed in the making of the paint?

[hushed steeple]

COUGH CHOKE CHOKE B-BACKSTOREEY?! Did Miss Flight have a falling out with Ay-uhh Prairie elder?!

[karmic ledge]

those pesky mantas have been getting themselves stuck in darkness plants for years now, you'd think theyd learn! or maybe those 2 forest mantas never told the flight ones to watch out...

[orchid jolt]

is there a special reason for why slumbering shipwright, tearful light miner, and the piggyback lightseeker's memories make dark plants?

[karmic ledge]

nah, the paint is not from creatures. it is organic though!

[prisma kernel]

Maybe they get the colors of paint from fruits and flowers?

[rugged jackal]

The poor things

[compact shale]

GUYS WHERE'S THE CANON LORE DOCUMENT SOMEONE NEEDS TO UPDATE THAT THING

[orchid jolt]

i mean, they made the feathers for the bells out of stone so they prolly take care not to harm the creatures

[karmic ledge]

i am not sure! theyre super old spirit quests that were done before my time. i think light miner though-the plants tie into the story the spirit is trying to tell. go relive it and pay attention!

[harsh pecan]

Why do most, if not all of the murals have the same artstyle??? Is there just one artist?

[prisma kernel]

We have a canon lore document?

[hushed steeple]

Is miss Flight Guide still on good terms with Prairie elder or did she leave for worse reasons?

[icy spruce]

WHERE IS BUTTER

[karmic ledge]

in my fridge

[jaunty tapir]

Some lore people have theorized it came from light creatures hahaha you have no idea how relieved I am knowing this

[neat flint]

Will we get to see some of the areas and creatures in switch trailer one day

[karmic ledge]

yeah at least i can tell you the paint that the flight spirits use is not from creatures

[compact shale]

A feel-good lore bread to balance out the disheartening lore breaed (krills are corrupted bread)

[orchid jolt]

also, the tote bag spirit. the spirit makes an appearance in lumberjack's and miner's memories. will we learn more about them?

[karmic ledge]

wafo!

[bronze mountain]

point me towards this? I am new to skycord so I have no old crumbs!

[karmic ledge]

also for those curious as to what i mean with WAFO, its essentially this: https://faq.brandonsanderson.com/knowledge-base/what-is-rafo/

[willow prawn]

I'm guessing this is what stopped the wind paths of going worse and having krills nyoming at fast wind speed

[frigid tinsel]

brandon sanderson ✨

[karmic ledge]

except i swapped the Read for a Wait, hence wafo 🧇

[rugged jackal]

I am going to take that as yes

[compact shale]

here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[bronze mountain]

thank you!

[karmic ledge]

its neither a yes....nor a no.....but simply a Wait and Find Out

[frigid tinsel]

neil gaiman on tumblr energy

[karmic ledge]

10 brownie points from me, i love his books 😭

[icy spruce]

doc is kinda outdated (missing ‘krills are corrupted’)

[lofty void]

Question: Are there more creatures in the world of Sky than what we just see ingame?

[jaunty tapir]

i hope new seasons will get a wind path in the future

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
i can find the images if you want

[main finch]

are there other spirits that have connectioins to the elders or was light whisperer the only one so far

[karmic ledge]

well there is the creature that shows up in the switch trailer, we havent gotten to feature them ingame yet

[prisma kernel]

That'd mean the wind paths will expand

[karmic ledge]

Flight elder did! Light whisperer didnt have a connection to prairie elder any more than bird call does

[harsh pecan]

Are there more kingdoms that aren’t apart of the Sky Kingdom?

[orchid jolt]

the crabs or the manta elder? which does this refer to?

[willow prawn]

Are dark creatures just corrupted or they're naturally like that, then?

[tender island]

Wind paths have lots of space, so I hope they'll all be connected

[rugged jackal]

You’ve been working pretty hard, do you want a cookie? Comes with milk 🍪🥛

[icy spruce]

corrupted, not natural

[compact shale]

It was a statement from Jenova that they're corrupted

[karmic ledge]

🍪 thank u

[prisma kernel]

I shall give Ash halo-halo

[lofty void]

If there are dark crabs and krill, does that mean that there are corrupted mantas and whales too?

[orchid jolt]

they only stated krills were corrupted

[karmic ledge]

i would love to try halo halo!

ok i do actually have to leave it off here because i still have some things to finish up but

[compact shale]

It contains beans /srs

[karmic ledge]

thanks for the fun!! i hope you guys like the flight concept art blog

[hushed steeple]

Is there gonna be more info about elders and their pupils or was it just to add more character to this guide?

[prisma kernel]

Thanks for hanging out Ash!

[distant turtle]

Thank you for the Flight season and for the rare enlightenment

[harsh pecan]

Thank you!

[rugged jackal]

Bye-bye! Good luck with whatever you’re doing!

[willow prawn]

Have a good night Ash!

[bronze mountain]

[orchid jolt]

TOTE BAG SPIRIT THO!
also, thhank you so much for talking! be sure to catch lots of pokemon Ash

[frigid tinsel]

i loved it, beautiful artwork and I like hearing about the development process. Have a goodnight, thanks for showing up and answering questions

[lofty void]

Thank uu have a wonderful day

[karmic ledge]

ok last answer- The flight guides connection to prairie elder wasnt added in as a fun fact, it is a legitimate large part of flight guides history and backstory!

[jaunty tapir]

aw ash thank you once again for everything! your mind is beautiful and so is your art!

[harsh pecan]

WHATTTTT :00000

[hushed steeple]

Very cool! Thank you for the time!

[prisma kernel]

omg

[distant turtle]

it was neat meeting these elite ancestor spirits!!

[rugged jackal]

Oh gosh now I have to update my skykid’s entire backstory that I made

[karmic ledge]

their connection w/prairie elder contributed to a number of things- their skills, history, decisions they made, and also the founding of the wind paths, etc. but thats all ive got to say for now!! but in a nutshell: the flight guide and prairie elder connection was important

[willow prawn]

No matter their part of the process, Flight spirits are beautiful in every step and this season was one of the most beautiful I've experienced

So thank you!

[karmic ledge]

the other flight spirits have a connection with some other existing non seasonal spirits too..see if you guys can theorize which ones, and what those connections might be! Maybe another apprentice? a familial relationship? a guild member? etc!

[neat flint]

I hope the next season will be great too

[hushed steeple]

Imagine: yeti family

[jaunty tapir]

familial????

[distant turtle]

Ooh, the Prairie builder!

[frigid tinsel]

brain: light whisperer and hide n' seek pioneer were siblings, that's why the latter was on the boat in the final cutscene, off to see their sib. change my mind
me: no that tracks

[orchid jolt]

TOTE BAG SPIRIT HAS A CONNECTION TO 2 FOREST SPIRITS AND APPEARS IN THEIR MEMORIES! WILL WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM?

i know u got to go, no need to answer this

[rugged jackal]

This is too much rewriting..
I’m gonna love this..

[hushed steeple]

I see tote bag and keep thinking you mean the antler whales on the tote bag

[willow prawn]

These were good beans

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[rugged jackal]

Well, gotta get to rewriting that character backstory, bye lorechat

[neat flint]

That’s a lot of beans than the last time

[main finch]

gotta rewrite my oc sH

[willow prawn]

I like how everything is silent now because we're all going theorizing in our heads wjdjdb

[hushed steeple]

I got yeti axe juggler confirmed yall

[upbeat rampart]

This is not a bug, thanks to someone in #questions-and-help confirming it for me

(so that's probably not reject)

[orchid jolt]

i mean this one:
https://happy-ameoba.tumblr.com/post/665231807556550656/to-fellow-lovers-of-the-game-sky-cotl-tote-bag

[rain mason]

Talented Builder somehow reminded me of Prairie's Exhausted Dock Worker and Slumbering Shipwright.
Especially when reliving them

[hushed steeple]

O I didnt even know he existed

[prisma kernel]

Noticed that each realm are far away from each other but then Wasteland seems to be connected to Vault?

[compact shale]

This doesn't always happen, sadly...

[frozen pivot]

havent touched on flight but i guess it isnt as bad as i thought

[gilded spoke]

and they were roomates /j

[frozen pivot]

barracks guards the vault gates. valley is also connected to wasteland somewhat

[tulip aspen]

WHAT

I'M AT WORK NOOOOOO

thank you fruity

[compact shale]

Ash provided lots of lore beans

(half of them are about Flight tho :/))

[tulip aspen]

damnnnn they didnt even mean to ADD pets

or maybe they did but cut it but someone readded it anyways

bless that person

[tulip aspen]

still amazing, and i love this happened at all

im driving to my lunch and cant scroll, could you highlight any important questions of ours they answered, thatd be amazing

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message (about Eden's ties to this season)'

Flight is a mix between past and present: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[prisma kernel]

[icy spruce]

Also lore chat:

choking tgc WHY DID YOU REMOVE THIS [insert lore from concepts] WHYYY????

[compact shale]

How do seasons affect lorechat? They can...

1. Make us starve (no lore) Ex. Assembly
2. Feed us well (lots of lore) Ex. Prophecy
3. Give us morsels (bits of lore) Ex. Flight
4. Cause lore chat to explode (conflicting entity detected) Ex. Season of TLP

[prisma kernel]

Ah- Assembly has no lore? I thought that was Sanc?

[tulip aspen]

well yeah lol

the blue background objects and things seen in memories and season quests are just representing the past, or imagery of what they must have to accomplish their wish

as we help them fulfill their wish that's us interacting with them but they aren't actually solidly 'real'

that may beg the question of how things like the ark, treehouse, and windpaths come to fruition, but maybe not
; we already HAVE seen Beings interact with the real world from their 'Limbo': the Elders

the Elders open the temple exits for us, and also the gate to Eden, as well as use their power to break the atmosphere and help creatures of Light ascend

so therefore we KNOW those long gone can influence the reality of our world

and spirits can too; the fulfilled wishes of the seasonal spirits, together as a team, have literally materialized entire structures and rearranged the skies

im going to assume thats what their statement means

[compact shale]

Yeah that's pretty much what I got from that

My take was that in the past, the darkness invaded in a similar way from what happens now, but Flight couldn't save the paths that time, and it grew decrepit or whatever the word is

[tulip aspen]

i had to analyze it because i just KNOW someone is gonna assume it means time travel or something lmao

[compact shale]

I mean, I don't exactly think of that (if I did then I wasn't saying it as a serious thing)

Ummm are you sure you want to talk more? It might involve the last quest

[tulip aspen]

my lunch break is basically over anyways lolol

[compact shale]

back to work Jam lol 🤣

[tulip aspen]

not you but someone will

[true grove]

Season of the Little Prince
🔹️Mini series:
Part 1:
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1440791182917857285?t=KXtXTgxmO2RSfxfG7HrIDQ&s=19
Part 2:
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1444447414727819267?t=vLy-hhCotR7a8f85V7eOTg&s=19
Part 3:
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1446621444910174208?t=gjX1ZyE99ILkOm4D853mSQ&s=19
Part 4:
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1453113118930792451?t=9y7_ZG0el1-vpdvyrAAZZQ&s=19
Part 5:
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1456362411414351894?t=KKRpnDAgWbNtEeW6l3W1rA&s=19

Concept art from the Mini series:
https://imgur.com/a/0UfaAQu

Season of Flight
🔹️News posts:
Light Whisperer:
#news message
Talented Builder:
#news message
Tinkering Chimesmith:
#news message
Lively Navigator:
#news message
Flight Guide:
#news message

🔹️Collection of Concept Art:
https://bit.ly/SkySoFConceptArt

Season of Abyss
🔹️News posts:
Ceasing Commodore:
#news message
Bumbling Boatswain:
#news message

[rigid mural]

"Here, too, the story remained present: though the stone of the island is lighter colored, you can still see the ancient, darker stone that the ancestors of the Flight spirits brought when they migrated to the Wind Paths."

They bought dark stone with them ???

[sly lake]

Darker stone, not dark stone. Could be confusing though. But if there was Dark stone, there would probably be crystals right? And there are no crystals in the Wind Paths.

Isle, Prairie, and Forest both have dark colored rocks and cliffs compared to Wind Paths light colored stone. Perhaps something to do with that?

[median shale]

That looks awfully familiar oo"

Huh interesting

[nimble ingot]

Thanks Ash for this response.
The season was good, just disappointed there were mantas instead of birds in the finale.
Seeing this response shows the team does what they can, and that what happens in the game would not reflect what the whole team were aiming for.

If there were to be a rating for the season. I would rate it a 4/5 stars. Losing a star for the bird that was teased did not make it to the game, although everything else about the season was a treat. The quests are replayable, the cutscenes are relivable, the spirits have fun stories that show in the game, and the art outside of the game was fantastic.
This means a lot to me, thanks.

[rigid mural]

I'd add a 0.5 tbh because the season hit me right in the teenagehood nostalgia.

[thin dirge]

Dang, I missed a whole lore chat conversation with Ash here

Cant be helped I guess, since Im kinda out on a vacation rn...
Gonna have to backread

[tidal valve]

dude I missed out on saying hi to ash aaHHHH anyways, now equiped with new lore crumbs I will now be researching on the difference between chimes and bells

first thought is, bells are usually on top of a shrine and are attached to a building and structure, generally they only call one type of light creature (shown by the mural that is painted on the bell tower)

Maybe wind chimes are a more accessible instrument? That aren’t specific to one type of light creature and can emcompass all of them?

When we do the quests we see manta and birds fly to clear the clouds blocking the path, since they were called by the wind chimes, and they are both seperate species of light creature?

I haven’t proof read this lmao I’m just hyped on lore rn so, mhm might sound worse written down then in my head

Also, bells seem to only ring once a task is done, lighting all the temples, fixing the bridge, or the bell that’s on the eden door at home that works as a clock

Maybe chimes were made since they can be easily rung without having to complete a task or wait for a certain time?

[rigid mural]

Bells seem to be able to ring on their own (they spin) while chimes seem to need input (in the wind paths, they need wind, see the post-4th quest bells not moving unless you light up the candles).

[tidal valve]

Mhm I was thinking of those bells in prairie villedgr the start to call on the manta when u light the bell shrines?? shrines? idk what to call them

[rigid mural]

That's true, and the ones in forest need you to light up candles to call on the jellyfish

Perhaps the difference is ease of operation or efficiency ? Kinda like how a sewing machine only needs an electrical socket, while sewing by hand is tedious.

[tidal valve]

But I’m also thinking, the bells they all ring in unision while chimes ring randomly

Bells are louder, and ring all at once, so maybe they are meant to help guide the larger migratory business

Chimes are quiet, ring softer

This is very much a big stretch

I like your sewing analogy btw!

[rigid mural]

Hmmm the start of the 5th quest says "the light creatures called for help" before panning to the quadwing, it's possible chimes are less powerful but then why use them instead of bells ?

Perhaps they are more precise than bells; chimesmith intro blurb does say each creature is attracted to a very precise note.

Bells also look massive and heavy, see Applauding Bellmaker carry it with the unnamed spirit. Chimes are the much easier to carry alternative for spirits that may have not been numerous enough to upkeep bells.

Also, Bellmaker and Chimesmith as coworkers ?

[tulip aspen]

wouldn't it just be their individual powers?

bells summon creatures, chimes create wind paths / carve clouds

these are all interesting ideas but the answer could possibly be a lot simpler

[tidal valve]

Maybe chimes were also more accessible for the public?

Think of travelers and merchants trying to use the wind paths during a blockage? They could just ring a chime and the issue would be solved

[thin dirge]

Well, there's a difference between bells and chimes...

Chimes are blown by the wind. Light creatures, especially birds, fly and follow the wind. That could be it

[tulip aspen]

okay so there we go

bells call creatures, but chimes guide creatures, like a beacon vs a landmark

[rigid mural]

Wait, bells call stationary creatures. Chimes call creatures that move on a path.

[thin dirge]

Ooh, thats it! Bells are more stationary, but they are loud, and notice how it mainly summons BIG light creatures. The chimes attracts smaller light creatures like baby mantas and birds. Tho, this guess could be wrong since the big bells summoned a flock of birds as well, sooo

[tidal valve]

maybe! but I feel like bells do help with migration though of sorts bc of prairie village the bells emit a soft light once lit, so in a way a literal beacon guiding the location of travel

Wait let me sort all the ideas so far

[tulip aspen]

a massive flock of birds

i like vela's point, especially in sync with my analysis of birds in Sky

pathway birds all fly in the direction of Eden, and chimes seem to guide them

monumental groups of landmark creatures that live and stay in specific places, prolly sacred to them, are called by bells

[tidal valve]

1: bells ring large light creatures, chimes call smaller ones

2: chimes are more accessible

3: bells ring to a specific light creature, chimes are more vauge

4: bells can only be used once a task is done, lighting the bell shrines, certain time as passed, fixing bridge, while chimes can move by only the wind

5: bells only call creatures, chimes guide them

[tulip aspen]

"which makes a lot of sense
and it makes a lot of sense that they'd show the birds (and what they represent) in the drawings on the walls

the birds/spinners actively forever fly out and up towards Orbit, like an inverted stream

everything flows towards the Sky
everything leads back to the Light, in the end
the creatures, the flow of life and everything that comes with it
the spirits may have had their days on Earth, but in the end have to come home

and most importantly, to the original gameplay of Sky,
our journey ends up There

it all begins and ends with that stream of light, and that current rushing back home is represented by the birds"

If chimes only guide the pathway birds that fly towards Eden, that could mean Flight really does have some connection to Eden

[tidal valve]

man everybody on lore chat is so much better at wording theories then I am lol

[tulip aspen]

my bird analysis isn't a theory or a headcanon lol

[tidal valve]

Wait what would u call it then, an idea?

[tulip aspen]

an analysis
everything literally, canonically, flows back to the Sky

we see in the ending virtually all beings of Light return to the Sky

it's just fact; candid obvious observations

[thin dirge]

Tbis was my literal headcanon for a long time
I even had a made up quote for it!

[tidal valve]

I like how everything goes back to orbit, plus the small birds when they fly in steams look very similar to the lines of light you see during orbit

[thin dirge]

Original message here. ^^^

"All that is born from the Light will eventually return to the Light" ~made up quote that I imagined the Isle Elder telling 'lil Prince

[tidal valve]

That’s so cute plus, isle elder in concepts was shown to tell skykids about the story of sky so, I feel like that’s something they’d def so (-,:

[thin dirge]

Damn, its been almost a year since I first posted that quote, lol

[tidal valve]

Man I’m excited to analysis all of the lore crumbs we got, i just could only think of that fact that bells and chimes were different from the top of my head haha

[tulip aspen]

If chimes only guide the pathway birds that fly towards Eden, that could mean Flight really does have some important connection to Eden

But now the question is, what? And why.....

1. Do the birds need the chimes to continue in the direction of Eden? Will they get lost without it?

2. If the birds naturally go in the direction of Eden, does that mean the bells redirect them? Why would the Flight team redirect them?

Perhaps to have birds fly through the different wind paths to leads spirits along. Not only are birds just flying to Eden, they also act as guides as a result, which is exactly why Isle Elder summons the birds in the first place

[tidal valve]

Maybe light creatures do get lost, which is why you don’t see any during eden

[thin dirge]

I dont think they will get lost on their way to Eden. I think the chimes were actually there to call the birds and lead them to a certain direction thats different from the usual path they take. Like a little call to take a diff route and lead them through it

Sort of like redirecting

[tidal valve]

But that just questions the exsistence of light creatures in orbit, are they stuck there? Or is that just the birthing place for new light creatures until they enter sky?

[tulip aspen]

But why? Why does the Flight crew need them to do that?

[thin dirge]

Perhaps to have birds fly through the different wind paths to leads spirits along. Not only are birds just flying to Eden, they also act as guides as a result, which is exactly why Isle Elder summons the birds in the first place

[tidal valve]

I like to think that elder creatures aren’t light creatures who’ve lived the longest but rather

Light creatures who have been rebirthed so many times that they have the memories and the lives of multiple other creatures before them?

Just a little idea I had

[thin dirge]

Actually, they just take a seperate, probs more safer route through Eden. You see this because when you take a "shortcut" (or the Eden OOB route) , youll actually see countless of flocks of birds flying through a seperate path in Eden. They take just take seperate path from the one we do.

[tidal valve]

I’ve never picked up on that while oobing oWo

[thin dirge]

Its been ages since Ive seen this oob, and considering how Sky did a lot of fixes recently, idk if this oob route still exists

But I genuinely remember some shortcut existed, and in that route, youll see this flock of birds flying through a very bug pipe in Eden, which is def a seperate route from the one we take

[rigid mural]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1443372521349390339

🎐 Chimes require dexterity to craft—creatures only respond to specific tones!

[tidal valve]

They also posted them on reddit! They had some on Instagram but the pictures were cropped very sad

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I feel like this could go with bells too though...

[rigid mural]

Chimes seem to have been chosen for their precision

[tulip aspen]

awesome vela great work as always

[tidal valve]

next time I enter prairie and forest I will be listening intently on different bell sounds

[thin dirge]

Seems Ash forgot it was already on the Spirit's fun facts, lol

Unless theres a seperate reason

[tidal valve]

Yeah but also, the bells in statuary islands, they can make other sounds with different notes

But they require people 2 stomp and that’s tiring lmao

Chimes are easy peasy lemon squeezy

[rigid mural]

Tinkering chimesmith is also "in tune with creature migration"

[tulip aspen]

so its that simple then

chimes are basically the bells used for the pathway birds, simple as

path birds don't stop tho, so yes chimes just redirect pathway birds and make them take different kinds of routes on their indefinite journey to Eden

[tidal valve]

I saw a insta tgc comment where they said talented builder gave the best hugs, not really lore but, I’m waiting for my talented builder hug rn

[thin dirge]

Also, Ash's description of Prairie Elder and Flight Guide's connection makes it sound like Flight Guide was actually personally adopted and raised by Prairie Elder, lol

Like seriously, Ash made it sound like they were raised by the Elder

[tidal valve]

but also, the spirits in the constellations that wear masks that are similar to the elder masks

Are they other apprentices? Do they wear the mask as a type of uniform while studying underneath them?

[rigid mural]

FINALLY
I KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP WITH THESE
I know right ??? And imo they seem to reflect their elder in a way... Refusing spirit showing historical relics, Exhausted dock worker being well, exhausted, apologetic lumberjack embodying regret, fainting warrior dying...

[tulip aspen]

i could see it

[tulip aspen]

oooooo that's an extremely good point

alright, so here's the sum of our work today team

.
okay so there we go

bells call creatures, but chimes guide creatures, like a beacon vs a landmark

pathway birds all fly in the direction of Eden, and chimes seem to guide them

monumental groups of landmark creatures that live and stay in specific places, prolly sacred to them, are called by bells

so its that simple then

chimes are basically the bells used for the pathway birds, simple as

path birds don't stop tho, so yes chimes just redirect pathway birds and make them take different kinds of routes on their indefinite journey to Eden

If chimes only guide the pathway birds that fly towards Eden, that could mean Flight really does have some important connection to Eden

But now the question is, what? And why.....

1. Do the birds need the chimes to continue in the direction of Eden? Will they get lost without it?

2. If the birds naturally go in the direction of Eden, does that mean the bells redirect them? Why would the Flight team redirect them?

Perhaps to have birds fly through the different wind paths to leads spirits along. Not only are birds just flying to Eden, they also act as guides as a result, which is exactly why Isle Elder summons the birds in the first place

.

.
great job everyone, this has been amazing progress

[tulip aspen]

Flight guide doesnt have a mask like prairie elder's tho

[tidal valve]

The exsistence of elder apprentices begs the question, how do apprentices get chosen?

[tulip aspen]

i really do like the "she was adopted by them" theory

[tidal valve]

maybe flight guide graduated? Your only an apprentice for so long, until new spirits come and more stundents are in need of training

[tulip aspen]

i dont think everyone with a mask like their elder's is an apprentice

we are 80% sure, after all, rejecting voyager from isle is a priest for isle elder

so maybe they are just tied to the elder somehow, and are important to the temple and/or helping others find their way towards enlightenment

[tidal valve]

I’d have to check if they used past tense on the info sheet for flight guide and lore crumb screenshots I took though

[thin dirge]

This statement from Ash feels significant. This means in certain Seasons, our actions took place in the past rather than the present, like reliving a Spirit's memories. You know what this could mean, especially with Prophecy

[tidal valve]

True, I haven’t really gone through each spirit with the mask on and their memories

In valley concept art it states that the extra headstones in the temple are meant to indicate chosen elders so maybe they had priests? For each elder like a messager?

[tulip aspen]

hmmm
idk about that

are you saying what we did ensured it happened in the ancestor's time? as in we changed the past?

[thin dirge]

Well, this is the whole thing, but yeah

[tulip aspen]

and i just knew someone would think ot meant time travel lmao, scroll up from the message im replying to rn

[tidal valve]

Phrocery thoeries confuse me I can never understand it lmao

[thin dirge]

Not exactly, as I said, more like reliving an ancestor's past, we're more like replaying certain events of the past. One of this is most likely Dreams (like, we're only witnessing how the dream came true, impkying it already did), but another Season could be Prophecy

[tulip aspen]

^^^^
i really dont believe it means time travel

[tidal valve]

I think enchantment would be one of the seasons that are a mixture of past and present too, the different colours of light remind me of the fire era in sky where they used to worship fire before dark stone technogky

[tulip aspen]

mm

well yeah in dreams her wish in the end was that she did it all with a friend, and we were there on the dance floor with her
it's implied we need to replicate what happened in her story, but the difference is merely just that she wasnt alone

[tulip aspen]

enchantment is one of the hardest seasons to decipher, whether they actually created the ark base after the ark crashed, or at least if they finished, the whole point is that they didn't have the Light they needed, but the Skykid helps them

for all we know they could have died in the crash and yeah

[thin dirge]

Tho, when you do the final quest, the text says "You witnessed how the dream came true", rather than "You made her dream come true". Its in past tense, and notice with every quest, we actually have to relive A SPIRIT MEMORY. The last one was a meditation at the Stadium. We only witness the past.

[tulip aspen]

hmm very very true

welp time to call fruity and tell them the last wish theory is dead in one fell swoop by butter

[thin dirge]

Oh... Whoops

[tulip aspen]

we'll figure it out dw

[tidal valve]

last wish theory is cool but ahh the new lore crumbs do go against it a little? Ish?

[tulip aspen]

mmm not rly only dreams i think, unless you guys have any more evidence against it which id love to hear

[thin dirge]

Nah, it was something I noticed a long time ago. I was here for Dreams (I was a Sanc moth)

[tulip aspen]

i mean im a prophecy moth lol I suppose i just forgot that little "how the dream came true" thing

[tidal valve]

ahh idk the mixture of past and present confuses me lol, I like last wish, it’s sad and I like sad angsty things haha

[thin dirge]

Also, since because of lack of guessing at Dream Spirits' backstories, it looks like it made them do fun facts of the Spirits for this new Season, lol.

Dreams spirits, from what I heard from Ash, have such rich backstories behind them. They're mostly ppl who retired from their old jobs

[tidal valve]

(-,: I wish we got spirit backstories, I’d read it all

[tulip aspen]

many season spirits still needed their "last wish" granted so it doesn't fully cancel it out the dreams thing just proves that the last wish theory can't be a complete explanation of what all seasonal spirits need as their own groups in order to ascend

[compact shale]

Hello... is this an alright time to arrive, lorechat?

[thin dirge]

Their attires describe the jobs they used to have. Spinning mentor was def a figure skater, ppl theorized Mr Yet was an executioner, (I just think he's a retired soldier, who now lives in a cozy life of isolation), Dancer dude seems to have been some singer, idk about Shy Spirit, but based from their clothes, seems like someone from a Marching Band?

[tidal valve]

Plus after you fully unlock friendship with the seasonal spirits they ascend and you’d use to get a final cutscene so that could tie into it?

[tulip aspen]

and the cool thing about the dream spirits is that they're so beautifully written that we didn't need fun facts for them you can know their stories just by looking at them that this is a Dusty old town with a rich history

[tidal valve]

Analysing the difference between bells and wind chimes Haah not now thou

[thin dirge]

Uhh... I may have... accidently broke a theory... you had

[compact shale]

Tis fine... someday I'll find my magnum opus as a lorist...

[thin dirge]

And I still jave yet to make mine. Seriously, I should really make that Sky Timeline thing I have

[tulip aspen]

as I said before it doesn't fully cancel out your points in that theory fruity, but yes now we have to keep re-theorizing until we figure out why the seasonal spirits need all of this extra attention and what exactly drives every single one of them as a general statement

[coral mauve]

I JUST REMEMBERED THIS AND I WAS THINKING
WHEN MASKLESS
DO SKYKIDS SENSE THEIR SURROUNDINGS SOMHOW?(USE LIGHT,OR SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE ECHOLOCATION?)

[hushed steeple]

Oh geez

[nimble ingot]

maskless skykids with their eyes closed could very likely be a visual cosmetic for the game. Like most cosmetics, they may not apply to any function of the game, unless they intend to be so.
A maskless look makes the skykid close thier eyes to make the face look unique. It would look very odd if a maskless skykid had their eyes open, because it would just be a blank head with two diamond eyes staring blankly around.

Lorewise, it would make more sense to imply the maskless skykid can see, but the game simply does not show this because the game does not seem to have a way to show this except to add the glowing eyes on the dark head.
Sure, folks can keep a head canon of skykids being blind and the magic of the mask lets them see (though that is a just a fan theory I personally do not follow). To each their own as the game is open to interpretation.

[orchid jolt]

They changed the fire symbol for the enchantment item and quest to the same as the prophecy symbol.

[violet sundial]

Probably just for consistency’s sake imo

[orchid jolt]

(i checked the ark murals. They still have the enchantment symbol instead of the prophecy one)

[nimble ingot]

Good observations there.
Perhaps it is to enforce the connection to the season of prophecy.
While the quest that brought the orb there from the season of enchantment, it also includes other seasons to prevent creating a divide.

[nimble ingot]

Side note, still not impressed at the assembly backpack as the back prop.
A blank pack might be a better use to include items from other seasons that were added after the season ended (retroactively).
Or even something else other than the assembly backpack, agian.

[orchid jolt]

Agreed. It's like everything without a back prop of their own is from assembly or something lol😆

[nimble ingot]

Sky having their own 'back to school' special here.
They are trying to get rid of the overstock on backpacks.

[orchid jolt]

to many left over from when torches and some other stuff didnt have their own back props

enchantment orb? more like assembly orb.

[cricket noises]

[outer lichen]

Uhm can we talk about ocs here?

[icy spruce]

mmmm no, only lore related stuff

[orchid jolt]

there isnt really a proper channel for that stuff, but i did make a server for fan sky stuff! its small rn and kinda dead tho. want the link?

[outer lichen]

Yes please

[orchid jolt]

aight done. if anyone else wants the link, lemme know (ping me) and ill send it to you

[willow prawn]

I'm not exactly thrilled we have the same symbol everytime, but to avoid frustration, I think that the Assembly spirits convinced them to bring an extra gift for us, and they gave them their backpack

It's not only branding but because they're the ones with ready packs around

In other news. Does anyone have
a list of what each light did in Enchantment and the whole quest progression?

[nimble ingot]

Someone did just that, though dont know where the info is, other than searching in the chat.

[hushed steeple]

I would like too, ahaha

[distant turtle]

Here is something:
season of enchantment spirit + coloured light cutscenes
https://youtu.be/m1yeYVsVahc

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[atomic hazel]

Hello, I keep reading that the child we hug at the end of Eden is the king but I thought we were just hugging ourselves? The child’s height is the same as ours. If you complete Eden with the chibi mask on, the child is chibi too. The only difference is that the child is white and we are dark when we hug it. As soon as we hug our light, which we lost in Eden, we get the ability to fly again.

[rose gorge]

maybe we are the king

[willow prawn]

Maybe we're all fragments of the King

But okay, serious now. I decided to go again to Flight to check some of the things Ash told us and I come back with a few theories!

I'll need the buff lore people for most of the stuff but I'll tell what I can

First of all: the paint. This is a simple one, because they use a dark muted blue, and the glowy one. I even noticed the pots of paint (or pots painted with them I guess).

The pinture itself doesn't seem to always shine, only in the arcs. Maybe is some type of magic because of the candles....?

About the materials, I was thinking the yellow can be from the flowers around the place, but I'm not sure about the blue. The shade is very similar to the dark rocks they brought with them when immigrating to the wind paths, but Ash said it was organic so I don't really know

The other thing I was noticing is that darker stone (imported) only seems to appear in some specific structures. Lamps, stairs, some random buried rocks and the boats. So probably the basics for surviving in the beginning + the boat material

---

I keep seeing the Flight guide but I still don't have idea of what connects them with Prairie Elder, sorry

The only thing I noticed is more of a fun wink. The hair accessory they wear (little wings) remind in silhouette of the hair of Prairie Elder.

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps both the day elder and the season guide of flight take care of the light creatures.
While the bells attract large creatures to specific structures, such as the village and the temple. The chimes are smaller and make less sound, so it does not attract the largest creatures but instead the smaller ones that may need a different route they can use to get around.
At least, that is one possible theory.

[willow prawn]

Possibly! I need to re visit the Prairie Elder to refresh my memory, but if they were an apprentice of the Elder, it makes sense they decided to take on a similar pathway

Also, after seeing the chimes, I keep thinking they use those instead of bells to cater to not creatures instead of just calling some of them (for example, just one type of manta for each bell in Sanctuary)

[nimble ingot]

perhaps the chimes are also more dependant on the migration times.
A bell has to be rung by hand or by a mechanism, but a wind chime (or even a wind vane) can ring when the wind picks up. Which cans also signal when a migration of light creatures are about to pass by.
The spirits can then either guide them through to the different realms with the wind paths, or capture the ones that are hurt to help them. Or even signal the resident spirits when a boat is passing by, since the boats could also potentially set the chimes off.

[nimble ingot]

A chibi walks up to you with a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

If you guess right, you win a heart.

[thick plaza]

omg but there's so much stuff a backpack could be

[thick plaza]

If the Prairie Elder had an apprentice, wouldn't the other Elders also have one or two?

[nimble ingot]

I am serious about the heart tho.

[thick plaza]

Uhhhhh.....the torch

[nimble ingot]

She takes off the backpack and shows you a Jar
"Sorry, try again later" ❤️

[thick plaza]

Awww

Maybe next time

[willow prawn]

Possibly. I read someone (don't remember who, sorry) saying that the spirits who got the same masks as the Elder may be apprentices / priests of the Elders.

[orchid jolt]

I noticed that asides from the two valley elders, each elder has one of those metal mask attachments (which sadly arent separate from the masks in the closet so only work with base mask...)

[hushed steeple]

Mask attachments? Like the part that looks like a normal mask? Or the part on their forehead?

[nimble ingot]

a Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right, wins 2 hearts. ❤️ ❤️

[orchid jolt]

i mean the metal things that should be able to go on at least other humanoid masks! (the forhead thing. the boat one for isle, top section of a pot for prairie, diamond for forest, nothing for valley, helmet for gw, and the thing with the text (that we cant read) on it for vault.

[orchid jolt]

torch. (also, technically you could just change the answer if someone guesses it correctly.)

[nimble ingot]

I could, but I randomly choose a prop that has the backpack model for every round.

Any other takers?

[orchid jolt]

just realized torch is no longer stored in the backpack anyway. the flag thing with two poles from sky anniversary is my new answer (if i can change my answer)

[nimble ingot]

you can, the flag posts then.

[orchid jolt]

ok. im guessing you'll say if its correct

[nimble ingot]

She puts down the backpack and takes out a set of deck chairs.

"sorry, try again later." ❤️

[orchid jolt]

ok, was the answer: sanctuary chairs?

[nimble ingot]

it was the double deck chairs from days of summer

[orchid jolt]

ok, was the answer the chairs from days of summer?

aight, 2 hearts for me /s

(on a scale of one to ten, how bad was this joke? 10 being very bad and 1 being good.) (sidenote, this joke was intented to be bad)

0 isnt an answer tho???

[nimble ingot]

the number beside the 0 is the number.

[orchid jolt]

..... falshoods, lies, deception

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh so that's what's similar to prairie rider lol

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah that should sum it up well

the elder taught them the secrets of controlling, herding, and caring for the light creatures in general

we dont have to headcanonically assume any more details than that imo, that's (concretely) all we need

but ig there is how those details play out, and how the other members of Flight gain their importance

1. did the chimesmith always know how to craft specific chimes for specific birds? Or was that the Flight guide passed on to them as wisdom from the Elder?

2. did the whisperer always know how to speak to birds, or is that something the Flight guide taught them or at least helped them sharpen as a skill?

Blanket Question: did the Flight guide walk up to these people, who may have sorta had specific skillsets, and gave them hidden wisdoms from the Elder, or did she just find these people already with their talents?

i find this question is important because if the answer is the latter, then we still have a larger question to answer: what exactly might the Elder have taught her about Light creatures? How is she important to the Flight team other than basically being their manager?

[rigid mural]

Bird Nest 🤝 Wind Paths
_ _ Mostly Floaty Islands

Perhaps by the power of elements or elders ?

[willow prawn]

That brings another question to table. Ash said they're descendants of the first generation who came to Flight (I think, tell me if I'm wrong).

However, the Flight Elder is told to be an apprentice of Prairie Elder, so are they around ever since the Wind Paths exist? Is a descendant? Am I psyching myself?

[compact shale]

I mean, Ash says their apprenticeship has something to do with their reason for founding the paths

I think they're just as much of an ancestor as the others tho

[boreal nebula]

Idk why it didn't think that sooner. I wondered about the Gloomy Soldier in Starlight Desert

Are those visions of how he turned out broken after a war where he somehow felt left behind by comrades and his how family?
Or
Are those visions of his post war torments, about the lost comrades and his lost family?

Idk which could be darker but judging from his cape he maybe wasn't a simple soldier maybe he had to deal with some tough decisions during war, thus the reason why he loose himself with his Darkwater addiction.

Hence maybe the second theory could be more probable

[compact shale]

Oh and we lorers recently found out that they're real!

[boreal nebula]

???

[boreal nebula]

Would you mind fill me in? What did I miss?

[compact shale]

Usually, spirits are colored translucent blue, right? When you ascend a spirit, you'll see them in a translucent yellow/gold color instead. This applies both in their memories and in their shops. And for some reason, it also applies in someone else's memories, proving that they were indeed there.

So basically, Slouch's memories contain spirits who look like base-game spirits because of their hair and cosmetics. The person who took this screenshot ascended the bow, faint, and salute spirit, and when they were reliving Slouch, you can see that they're also translucent yellow. This proves that they are, indeed, the same spirits you ascended.

Basically, ascended spirits will be highlighted in someone else's memories as well.

One last thing: This is NOT my image and it never was. It belongs to Vela but I'm not going to ping them.

[boreal nebula]

Oh that.. I didn't give much attention this summer (cause I already had 100% in all Realms) 😅

[harsh pecan]

That’s impressive-

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

may i see the exact quote?

[tulip aspen]

if all that work we all did 12 hours ago is accurate, then her "reason" is the windpaths, and making them commercially available to the kingdom, like a highway

what that entails, we don't know
ive been thinking it could be something to do with the ancestor migrations to Eden, specifically because the windpath birds/spinners all fly towards Eden

[willow prawn]

I was looking and I didn't found it, so I think I may have gotten confused. It was something about the immigration conversation that confused me. Sorry!

I'm still a new kiddo barely getting in the muddy waters of lore

[tulip aspen]

nah youre okay lmao

so wait, it's not an actual quote?

can anyone else be sure?

if it's an actual quote that could help us gain a lead

[compact shale]

Yeah, commercially available... it functions as a migration hub for the creatures, but for the ancestors, it's like those capital city train stations that have a lot more trains and extra facilities than regular stations LOL

That was my first thought about the area

[tulip aspen]

yeah, and the general answer is it being a kinda hub station

but my point is there might be a much deeper answer as to why they need that, especially with Ash's hints and teasing (specifically about Flight being connected to the importance of Eden)

if Flight has a significant continuity, im going to be a lot more determined to find what that continuity is

(especially since seasons literally never bring continuity to the table, except for 2d images in prophecy smhekinhead)

[compact shale]

Yes, the Eden migration...

mmmmm, how DOES that work? when are birds old enough for it? Why do they need it?

(I also asked Ash about Belonging Gramma's power. It didn't go well.)

[willow prawn]

Just re read the conversation + the article and didn't found nothing! Guess that leaves our only official info on:
• Flight guide and prairie elder have a mutual backstory which ties into the why of the wind paths
• Some of the flight spirits may be related in any way or form to non seasonal spirits

[tulip aspen]

the birds are a stream
there never stops being a constant flow of them

lets get a bit more into my own headcanons about the Sky with this, because imo with my bird analysis, it looks like they are just some weird force of Light, forever just Light being sucked in from across the world by the Sky

if the Sky's 'body' really does connect across all of the universe, then the birds are kinda the veins of the body, drawing it's lifeblood (Light) back in indefinitely, the most insane and forever inhale of all time

that's what i see the birds as

an important question I'd have about the birds then, is what are they, a stream has a beginning, a source, so what's the source??

if they just represent the power of Orbit to draw in all creatures of Light then does that mean they just materialize across the entire kingdom and just head towards Eden?

.
.
what happened with granny?

[compact shale]

Wow... do birds get reincarnated too, I wonder?

Ummmm so I asked Ash why Gran has the power to ascend and descend over and over again, and they legit said #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

bRuH

[willow prawn]

I think so! Especially if we keep saying that Megabird is the one in charge of reincarnation. Wouldn't they want tiny birds to reincarnate too?

[compact shale]

'tis the cycle... do not break. or else.

[tulip aspen]

okay so lets pick apart why Ash trolled the everloving hek out of you

there's either

1. an unfinished concept they're working on of spirits returning being an actual problem, and they cant spoil that yet

2. they (panicked and) didnt want to deal with answering a question with extremely important lore implications

after all, whatever we believe in about what the spirits need to ascend, it's one of Sky's most difficult mysteries (for me)

not because it's so shrouded, but because it's the most important part of the story that's left unanswered

our mission is to FREE the spirits, but how can we, as skykids (players) be okay not knowing exactly how we even free each??

[compact shale]

That escalated quickly-

[willow prawn]

Do you think the AFK event does have a meaning though? Maybe it's just like a cute Easter egg or a gift for remembering past seasons

It's worth considering if the dinner and geyser explosion do tie into the lore or it's just a mechanic + world thing

[compact shale]

Does it have a meaning? The geyser was introduced during Days of Nature as a pollution reference, so maybe not, but it COULD fit considering that Sky has environmental implications on its own

As for Gran's dinner? I don't know...

[tulip aspen]

imo your question was phrased in a way that was very hard to answer anyhows

i really dont think she's "ascending and reascending"; she's just... still here

she never actually left, and now she's shown her face again, so we have to help her

but then again maybe im wrong, because, idk, does she appear in Orbit at the end of the ascension?

crap, we'd need a belonging player to answer that... @_@

uh........

[compact shale]

QGs don't exactly have ascension conditions, unfortunately

You will probably never see them in Orbit

There's something unique to them sadly... still a mystery to us...

[willow prawn]

I think it's more an "it could fit" than straight out adding to lore. Otherwise, it's complicated to say how darkness resurging from the geyser affects sanctuary and why is it still there when we supposedly restored the place and brought light creatures back

[tulip aspen]

if geyser is 'real' than what is is is simple

those golden things spout the corrupted geyser air as well

they must have power diamonds or whatever inside them

all of that stuff that landed by the geyser in the crash contaminated it

easy answer

[tulip aspen]

i thought i see skater girl in orbit?

oh, well ig even if i do, she's not the guide herself

okay so yeah then im right

guides never have actually ascended, they helped their people, their groups, their teams, become free, but they themselves may have further problems....

[compact shale]

Huh?! Ehhhhh??!

Edit: you have a pic?

[willow prawn]

I have seen Postman, Yeti, and Mentor. Haven't noticed skater girl

[tulip aspen]

yeah thats why i said "even if i did see her"
im prolly being delusional with that one

[compact shale]

Probably insanity creeping, idk...

[willow prawn]

But I think it's more related to how the mechanics of a season work. For example, before seasonal areas, that would have mean anyone not completing the spirits doesn't get to free the QG.

But now, it would mean what to the area? They probably stay to keep it in conditions, and maybe that's why Granny is here again too. Gotta keep that tree nice and warm!

But honestly, I feel it's more of a gameplay and somtory segregation, like elders still being on temples after you finish the constellation

(So many buts I can redact better than this )

[tulip aspen]

||oh yeah fruity np lemme just go to eden and die right now np super easy /j||

[compact shale]

I wouldn't blame anyone for having mild bouts of insanity, it can happen to any of us... unless you're always insane that is

[willow prawn]

||Always a possibility||

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

Skybot Lorechat's been dead for more than an hour why now

[pastel brook]

🛏️

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[orchid jolt]

Hey, where is this music sheet from?

[rigid mural]

Probably the jingle bells one that we can get during days of feast

Oh honk, that's ode to joy ? Dope

[harsh pecan]

[compact shale]

Skybot, now is not the time

[hushed steeple]

I don’t believe that aggressively needless skybot is actually random. The intention is too powerful

[orchid jolt]

Ok, thx! I knew it wasn't base game cause of the symbol but it didn't match any seasons lol

[harsh pecan]

What if Sky bot is actually the antagonist of Sky but we never noticed it because it hides under the facade of an innocent bot

[stoic wedge]

Christmas, I guess.

[tulip aspen]

heart scam

[tulip aspen]

okay that was definitely a mod smh

[upbeat rampart]

Just realised this, the Elders have those <•> on top left (like,, and the one which is also in our chest for instance) while has the prince kind of star instead...

[harsh pecan]

👀

[upbeat rampart]

Chibi Prince

[compact shale]

we already know that the Prince is truly smol.

[upbeat rampart]

Well yes
But actually I'm stupid so yes, canon confirm that Prince is smol

[orchid jolt]

Theres this idea that there are 8 blessings or something, with the prince getting 4 of them from the prophecy trials. The chibi mask's symbol is evidence for the existence of the other blessings.

[frigid tinsel]

blessed with smol

[upbeat rampart]

Interesting

[compact shale]

What's the other 4?

[orchid jolt]

...I don't think we know that. Im pretty sure it was just small in comparison to spirits and elders. Even the tallest you can get from resize potions (the permanent ones) is shorter than the hide n seek spirit.

[compact shale]

ndnfdsnfdsgsng fair enough. but I've never heard of 8 blessings...

[orchid jolt]

We don't know. The theory could also be incorrect, it's only a theory

[orchid jolt]

Part of the idea is that each floaty dots is one blessing. The prince gained four in prophecy . In the thing that guides us to Eden, there are 8 floaty dots . Many people think this could be the prince calling us to Eden (or megabird calling us there) as anonymous players are represented by a diamond without any floaty bits (unless they deep call and are represented by the eye)

[compact shale]

Maybe in a future season, we'll find out...

Each new season USUALLY adds to the lore, with a low chance of not giving anything or descending the chat into chaos

[upbeat rampart]

From practical affairs related to the said trials, I'd assume. Like water being how there was a probable cyclone (cue the Sanct theory) and how the other normal spirits probably escaped from there to the tunnel, which made it the 5th blessing from Water prophet.

Then emptiness of land and how he made people better in comparison after sending war survivors somewhere else away from gw enough to satisfy the Earth prophet (6th blessing)

7th being air, bringing more recreation and help in Valley? Maybe the dark-diamond boat idea?

And 8th being after the darkness caused by the kingdom. Fire thought that it was going well and gave the blessings for support but...yeah

[compact shale]

Oh... wait I just realized I don't know the 4 blessings that Alef WAS holding in the murals...

[orchid jolt]

Water, earth, air, and fire. The blessings are shown by the symbols on the center rock. And by inferring with the contents of the trials

[compact shale]

Ah, alright. Do you think the red and purple lights of enchantment could have something to do with 2 of the unknown blessings?

[orchid jolt]

Aight, imma go photosynthesis with my endosymbiotic cyanobacterium.

[upbeat rampart]

Purple was there as a blessing?

[orchid jolt]

Yes, most amoebas don't do that. Paulinella Chromatophoras do do that.

[compact shale]

Could be related to it. We don't have much information about the other 4 blessings, but it MIGHT be relevant... at this point, only the future holds answers for this.

[orchid jolt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulinella

[orchid jolt]

(I don't know why I wanted to share that) ok bye!

[abstract wasp]

Is the mega bird really called "Chimken"

Or was it a dev joke

[compact shale]

No, that was just a time when a dev decided to mess with lorechat.

[pastel brook]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[abstract wasp]

We haven't gotten any more lore yet right?
I've seen the pings and there's a Google Doc that someone updates with the basics of the lore, but so far this season we've only been theorizing right?

[compact shale]

We have some new Flight lore, actually. Ash came to rain lore blessings upon this land. Here, let me link the start of the conversation. It's a lot.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[upbeat rampart]

Also, casually just asking, are Skykids cold blooded?

[hushed steeple]

Is light cold?

[compact shale]

Do skykids have blood?

[hushed steeple]

Heres an Ash quote comp from the recent visit might be missing some you like, but I picked most of what I thought was new and reliable except for getting yeti axe juggler confirmed

The first one js in response to starlight being real not the whole sky workd

[upbeat rampart]

No, but they could have a heart that stores light and you know, not circulate stuff so they don't bleed, maybe a scratch which doesn't heal.

[tulip aspen]

hm?

is there a bunch of stuff im missing here being referenced

[upbeat rampart]

Possibly?

[compact shale]

What makes you think so?

[hushed steeple]

I could see them leaking light. Some fanarts do that instead of blood.

[upbeat rampart]

I just moreso want to see why the darkwater makes them colourless and "grey", even if it's mostly on their cosmetics

[tulip aspen]

summons my hordes of paragraphs about them not being biological

[upbeat rampart]

No idea, just leaving it a vague answer.

However, they do seem to be crying light (maybe) so who knows

[tulip aspen]

i dont like any of the recent theories circulating around blessings tbh

we have no concrete evidence the blessings of any of the enchantment or prophet spirits are significant or scarce

ive always just assumed those simply represent generic spells, like the Light used by the ancestor to light the forest in the Nintendo trailer

so when i started hearing in here "THE EIGHT/FOUR BLESSINGS, GIVEN TO US BY MEGABIRD" im like

[upbeat rampart]

wait what if the light just goes to their heart and that makes them open their eyes with a solid, like a mask?

[tulip aspen]

they... do?
huh?

what theory is that from?

[upbeat rampart]

do seem to be, I don't know, I assume the even numbered levels somewhat have light and making sense of the mask

(aka it's just my inputs)

[hushed steeple]

Upgraded cryings little flecks that fly about like tears prolly

[compact shale]

Yeah that.

Ummm... humans don't normally cry blood tho...

[upbeat rampart]

Generic?

[tulip aspen]

o
is that a headcanon?
I've seen those fanarts about them crying Light, but havent hear about it much otherwise

[hushed steeple]

Blood and tears are cousins :]

[tulip aspen]

as in greater more mystical versions of the ones we use, just spells, but ancient powers the ancestors seemed to just possess

[upbeat rampart]

Well yes...but idk, are tears tears for spirits and because of lack of fluids, skykids use their own light for that?? I guess (but not so drastic that it decreases our candles/drains wing)

[hushed steeple]

I think light in sky comes in too many forms. Maybe skykids got light that kinda, is like liquid. I always thought the reason they could move the capes like bodyparts is because they “pump” lightblood into it like a recently emerged butterfly.....or moth

[upbeat rampart]

More magically powerful?

[tulip aspen]

yes

[abstract wasp]

OMGG read throughout it all and just finished i needed so baddd more lore, too bad I wasn't here I had some small questions too
Is it like a seasonal thing for the devs to come and spill some beans?? I want to be ready for next time
||sorry for the cold ping|| :(

[compact shale]

Unfortunately bean-giving is random.

[harsh pecan]

If I’m here when it happens I can ping you if you want

[abstract wasp]

Yessss I love cold pings thank you so much!

[harsh pecan]

Np 👍

[frigid tinsel]

re: do skykids bleed — Hmm, this is what it looks like to be hit by corrupted darkstone, which would be a traumatic injury

[compact shale]

It's not a light leak, but a light burst...?

[thick plaza]

Yea pretty sure all our skids have some form of PTSD at this point

[compact shale]

Oh dear...

light is an energy, not matter...

So I doubt that's like blood or anything...

[frigid tinsel]

Something something wave-particle duality something

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe the Light shells are?

However I think that their "blood" is more from their capes (ref to energy transmission via capes [which is yes, energy, but maybe...])

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps the shell of their bodies can broken open by darkness but seals itself off quickly, not before losing some internal light

[upbeat rampart]

That sounds good enough to me

[compact shale]

Self-healing clay, just another one of its magical augmentations :D

[tidal valve]

I have a small theory on the wind paths, in the blog post it said when the ancestors of flight migrated to the wind paths they brought old stone with them

Most of the darker stone is towards the bottoms of the island, and around the base, so what if, the wind paths floating islands previously didn’t fully exist?

that maybe they built the areas all up by themselves, I feel like there would’ve been some sort of structure originally but most of it was built on top

I feel like the wind paths were probably a mixture between handcrafting, and using wind chimes to guide light creatures through to create the paths through each realm

[compact shale]

Hmm... well Ash said that the Wind Paths don't have an obvious darktech diamond under them for a reason, and that you can find out more by comparing them to Sanc islands... it's possible that they used a slightly different method to erect the islands, but we don't know much about it until we explore Sanc

[tidal valve]

I feel like it would also make sense to compare wind paths to prairie birds nest, ash said that flight spirits have relatives/ apprentices/ and relationships with non seasonal spirits, so maybe the technology was inspired by birds nest and the way those structures are built?

Concept art says that birds nest was made as a area for light creatures to get food and water (the structures being like silos) and that’s also very much the same feel and idea of wind paths

[restive cosmos]

never heard the name Chimken

is slowmode still bad?

[nimble ingot]

that is some serious sparks flying out.

[tidal valve]

I think a dev came in and explained slow mode, it’s slower so that people say on topic and people have the time to write a response

[compact shale]

Slowmode is going to stay for a looooooooooong while... so that we can be more thoughtful about what we're going to say, and so that small theories don't get flooded and die.

[restive cosmos]

oh

[restive cosmos]

maybe, but they seem to bleed light instead of blood

[compact shale]

would bleed be an appropriate name for it? /rh

[nimble ingot]

A Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right, wins 3 hearts. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[compact shale]

A pipe?

[nimble ingot]

She puts down the backpack and takes out a fire pot.

"Sorry, try again later." ❤️

[tulip aspen]

holy crap lol i did not see this

what the heck else is TGC even working on rn?????

i didn't see this either that's amazing ash acknowledged it

[compact shale]

Yeah elder bird would've been real nice

I imagine that there are times when LW talks to the bird like a dog owner talks to their dog when petting them (THIS IS A HEADCANON DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT)

[hushed steeple]

What is is LW and EB-

[compact shale]

LW - Light Whisperer (one of the Flight spirits)

EB - Elder Bird (big bird)

[tidal valve]

Hey, hey what are you chewing, HEY SPIT THAT OUT RN

large bird monching on a wind chime

Also, there was this mural drawing that’s always confused me since the symbol is only seen 2, and I think I’ve figured it out

Maybe a symbol for the power diamonds? You can see it on forest temple on the big shrine disc, and forest temple was a quarry after all

it’s also on isle temple as well, I thought they were bird claws, but the symbol is again underneath the boats when you open the door,

Isle elder is said to tell the story of sky, so I think them talking about power diamonds to sky kids would be important

I’ll send screenshots after my cr for the mural in forest temple if I remember

Nvm um its very small but it’s the murals on the very side, the W like symbol

[hushed steeple]

The moth's name "Duwewecu"

[tidal valve]

Lol yea randomizes is funny

[hushed steeple]

I'd gotten 'Rerog" as a name once. And "Ajus"

Another friend of mine had "cihago". I said it sounds like Chicago

[nimble ingot]

A Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right, wins 1 heart. ❤️

[hushed steeple]

A tiki torch to impale AFK players with

[tulip aspen]

lmao you could feel the 18 paragraphs about why that couldn't be true coming couldn't you

anyways, I've got a new solid blanket question for the devs we should have answered

yes the story is left loose and undetailed for US, but for the devs is there an actual concrete "story" only the team knows? because if there is, we can at least be confident all of the puzzle pieces we got together actually do secretly mean something, right? If there isn't a story, (one we can't be allowed to know) then that means there truly is no continuity, and seasons/vanilla updates just spell and dispell any notion of continuity we could ever have....

TLDR: is there a secret continuity/answer to all the main questions/secrets of Sky, that the team actually agrees on and uses as a template for storybuilding?

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... that's going to have to wait until the next lore-beaning period. Which is not something I know how to predict.

[icy spruce]

Pillow

[compact shale]

Recliner chair (From Chill Sunbather)

[tulip aspen]

.
there's prolly a better way to word that question; even the TLDR

but yeah if the team doesn't have any actual notion of a story going on and are just creating new content and story out of their butts, then... in the end none of this matters

we would all have to give up on canon-chasing

so
ig they would never be able to answer that question, huh
it could spell the end of people caring about the 'story'

[nimble ingot]

@icy spruce@compact shale
She puts down the backpack and takes out an umbrella.

"Sorry, try again later." ❤️

[compact shale]

Has anyone actually managed to win Raider's prop game?

[icy spruce]

me

they now owes me 3 hearts

[nimble ingot]

It started yesterday, so it will take time.
Chesca won 1 round on a different server.

[boreal nebula]

I once thought to have seen her too, but it was just the Hide&Seek spirit, which was updated, from tall (a giant woman, a giant woman 🎶) into a small girl in skirtb (but different hair from Skater Girl)

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh lol that's prolly what happened xD thanks!

[rigid mural]

Considering Ash said they weren't familiar with elder concept names & that the core team was a handful of people helped by 10-11 other folks, it's possible some older devs know more than others. I suppose you'd have to ask someone who worked at TGC for a long time for a plot.

I think that the lore is so confusing because it's designed and written by many hands, which aren't always on the same page (see Ash saying the Eden sky kid statues before stormlock were there before they joined), which is both exciting because we get to fill in plot holes, but also frustrating because we KNOW there's a lore but it's unstable.

[nimble ingot]

That is very true.
Assuming the lore is written down for other devs to refer to, the devs could go with what was already established for consistency sake, and then expand on parts where they themselves can add on to the lore.

If a dev has to rely on an older dev or someone who knows more about the true lore, then that would not be a surprise how the lore would have changes.

It is all fine and dandy to change the lore, within reasons, of course.
I certainly do not hope the developers are not also included in the 'lore is open to interpretation' trend.
because if so, then the lore of sky, could very well be anything under the sun.

In art terms, if something can have virtually any meaning, then it can also be meaningless. The work must have some meaning in order to mean something for the audience.

[compact shale]

If the devs are included in the "open to interpretation" thing... then... yikes...

[tulip aspen]

exactly that's what i mean
but with stuff like the second intro, sometimes it dang well seems like it!
its so frustrating...

they need someone to actually write a concrete story for the entire team to acknowledge and understand, that way the game feels more fleshed out, especially among new content and updates

[rigid mural]

You think Jenova Chen is on discord ?

[tulip aspen]

the second intro is way too harsh of an example that the story is CLEARLY is too open to interpretation for the team itself

i dont know how to feel about that

[boreal nebula]

I think all golden metal objects we see in Sky are related to a circuit function (as all those seen in Forest Temple, even those that are on the sides of the door opeenings cutscenes, not just the giant golden "sphere")

To be clear I don't think there is a power diamond inside those golden things in Geyser. I think of them just as batteries or accumulators

I agree on the part that their might have a bit of spores inside and thus are the vectors of pollution (much like a dirty napkinds during flew season)

The principle is that they ended up near a geyser and since there's much termal energy stored there the geyser got sick

The costant presence of periodic "eruption" might be a sign that natural energy (being a force of nature) is not "tamed" completely by the infection, but is still sufficient to keep the geyser ill and keep generate new spiky bulbs.

Side note: I think there 5 mini cones on the shores circling the main cone are buried golden accumulators which heat too much generating a steam flow out of them. I recently noticed even the unburied ones near the boat seems to general airflows. Every time there is a spike in termal energy they recharge by the magnetic field that they harness and amplifies it (much like a copper string with election currenct can intensifies the energy of a coil)

[tulip aspen]

whoa hi okay I'll get to you in a bit @_@ xD

[nimble ingot]

It is not like the players have to be spoiled with the lore, though surely the staff would have to be kept up to date with what the lore of sky is.
Keeping the lore consistent presents consistent lore hints for players to find.

Put like this:
If the magician is performing, their assistants would know the secrets to the magic tricks.
If the assistant are allowed to bedazzle the audience with their own tricks and say it is all part of the show. Then not only will the act be confusing, the audience would be just as confused.

If the lore is consistent, the players who are looking into it and theorising on it would pick up on it.

[tulip aspen]

yeah that's what i mean

im not asking for us to know the lore, the mysteries should stay a mystery

but a mystery is only interesting if it feels like something is actually behind the curtain

if there is no solid story that the ENTIRE team is aware of, then there's actually nothing behind the curtain, and they can continue lying to us that there is, but if all it took was for me to walk in and point out the intro retcon as a flaw on my second week as a lorekid, then it's way too easy to shine a light on the curtain and see the hands moving the quickly stitched together puppets behind the facade

so they need to get their stuff together and get someone to be actually dedicated to publishing a writing for them all to read
because this just aint it, if im right

.
i know its aggressive of me to say that one line of "the stars fell" being moved ruins the entire point of the game, but my frustration is understandable, right? im not just raging to rage or get attention, im just passionate about this game and it sucks to have ruined the magic for myself by realizing nothing concrete is behind that curtain

also rip, did u just get censored teb

[rigid mural]

I don't think that hypothetical lore behind the scenes would be deep and convoluted either, it has been hinted there IS notes of inter-spirit relationships but otherwise it's possible they just have a list of symbols to put in some places to get that lore chat going when it comes to hidden actors like the king.

[nimble ingot]

There is some lore in the game. Even though it looks very broken based on what I can tell.
If the lore was consistent and united, then why would the lore be so conflicted?
If the conflictions were from the players, then the devs did nothing wrong.

However, if the devs had to work with lore that they dont have the full picture off, the the devs are left with making their own interpretations of the lore.

What could make things worse is not when the players find out, but when the botched lore ends up killing the game.

[tulip aspen]

honestly, that's prolly exactly what they do / are told to do xD

but maybe im just in a salty mood rn

[rigid mural]

Which honestly is such an artificial way to generate mystery imo

[compact shale]

And so comes the existential crisis of Lorechat: What if the devs don't know either?!

[tulip aspen]

exactly

@rigid mural but see that's the logical explanation

many of the main devs prolly have conflicting ideas about the king and all, so yeah they just have a template "lets put this symbol again"

this is realistic
and it sucks

[tulip aspen]

they dont tho
im getting more and more confident of that

[rigid mural]

I think lore folks are kind of a minority in the player base, what would kill the game is a whale extinction.

[compact shale]

Well, it's going to be a crisis either way, guehehe~

[tulip aspen]

does it happen often?

or enough i mean?

im prolly not the first one to act like this and say these things, and i definitely wont be the last, so idk...

[compact shale]

Can't answer that question for sure, but I'm not going to go around blaming anyone for this existential crisis, ehehehe!

(what if you asked 2 devs [Ktjn chooses not to dabble into lore so they don't count for this] the same question?)

[rigid mural]

One only tells lies and the other only tells truth.

[nimble ingot]

This is a wild theory and one that might get me bashed for.

What if the reason the lore broke in sky is because the team of developers at the start of light awaits were given prompts and themes to follow, but the result did not match what either Jenova, or a lead developer envisioned. Which was fine, because in beta, things can and would changed frequently.
However, when it came to the global release, TGC had to rely more on the devs to go through the process and then approve the build before it reaches live. If that were to be the case, then there may have been issues when there is a dead line. Where the teams are tasked to work on parts of the game, then pressure to release new content to keep the game alive leaves small things like the lore to slip through the net.

The lore is a minor element of the game, sure. But it is literally the driving force of the game. Without the lore of the missing king. Players would drop out faster because they lost interest in a daily candle grinder for cosmetics and online strangers that you call friends.

Sorry for the broken rant.

[compact shale]

Ozo? Ulu? WHICH ONE IS IT?!

[boreal nebula]

Does anybody have a picture of this mantatee concept art?

[tulip aspen]

Jenova might be the only one who really knows where this is going...

"i know nothing about jenova, and have no reason to believe they are even invested in Sky as anything more than a business lmao
jenova clearly moved on the moment they published sky as a finished game for ios in 2019
thats the 'story'
thats it
its not 'going anywhere else', and the people who kinda sorta let it nod like it COULD go anywhere else aren't connected at all to what Sky was as a story, a message, when it was first published"

[orchid jolt]

The idea is that since four of the enchantment lights match up with prophecy's blessings, the rest of them may match up with other blessings too

[tulip aspen]

wHaT

[rigid mural]

To be honest, I do think there's a story devs stick to, about new souls waddling around in an old world, about legacy and descendants, about healing and braving the storms.
There are deep themes, I can feel it, it's what got me into the game because I'm all about post-apocalyptic worlds where you see the footsteps of those that came before. It's just that the details are out of reach, perhaps because the direction thought it wasn't important to have a story that makes sense more than it engaging with deeper topics such as cycles, or maybe because it's made by many people that aren't given a clear story to work with and thus, as it was said before, have to interpret its themes on their own.

[nimble ingot]

I dont follow what you are saying. 😐

[tulip aspen]

i dont think there actually are deep themes from the realistic perspective of the current team of Sky

only the potential for deep themes
we could dip our t-F-SHOES into whichever fits their fancy, whatever sounds nice
but whenever they do it's never connected to the last times, as much as it seems like it, or as much as we'd want it to seem like

[boreal nebula]

Wild guess... Was is Limerence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

[tulip aspen]

just a quote of mine

kinda sorta connected to what u said

[compact shale]

ummm close enough, yeah

[boreal nebula]

Ended up reading this ...

Idk, I always thought it's the other way around...
The Orange Light/Fire Element create evaporation which sustains the Rain...

But it's a nice point of view, that rain preventing the Fire Element to widespread destruction

[tulip aspen]

yeah, it was a unique take to say the least

but nah the fire was definitely making the clouds lol

[compact shale]

Yeah it's not raining ON the fire, so evaporation is more likely

[rigid mural]

It could be smoke. My personal headcanon is that the entrance was paintings represent the elements powers and original locations.

Oh ? 👀

I wonder if the refinery in forest used to be a forge, would explain the location, presence of fire and need for water.

[nimble ingot]

It would also explain the elder using an anvil and hammer.

[harsh pecan]

Ohh that one

[distant turtle]

Let's talk about the unseen world that the whale lives in, beneath the clouds where sky kids can't penetrate.

These deeper places aren't in the game but they are relevant to lore.

The whale appears in the underground cavern. I will guess that this is its lair. Next time we see the whale, after Valley, we might consider it to be migrating towards Eden.

[harsh pecan]

Maybe its characteristics require it to live in a place like that

It was the same whale??

WAIT THE SLOWMODE- OMG

[distant turtle]

It could be another whale, but I think we might learn something if we assume there is only one member this species that we ever meet.

[harsh pecan]

True

[icy spruce]

WHAT SLOWMODE

HOLY SMOKES, IT’S 38 SECS

[lofty rover]

Ayyyy it reduced

[distant turtle]

The whale does not normally fly, yet its journey brings it towards Eden, and after we complete our mission, the whale flies with us. We know the whale helps us complete our ascent. Maybe when we complete Eden, we open a path for the whale to ascend. Maybe the whale was trapped earlier, when we see it in game.

[lofty rover]

Oooo. I used the think the whale lives in the area. Like it helps with ascension but it itself doesn't ascend. Like a ferryman of sorts

[nimble ingot]

A Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right, wins 2 hearts. ❤️ ❤️

[lofty void]

a cushion?

[nimble ingot]

She puts down the backpack and takes out Wooden Deck Chair

"Sorry, better luck next time." ❤️

[orchid jolt]

well, in the image we can see that the forest was on fire before the rain/without the rain

[hushed steeple]

So, the rain came to stop the fire. And then the rain never stopped

[orchid jolt]

i mean, rain is probably better for plants than fire is.

(for both dark plants, the trees themselves, and other plants)

[willow prawn]

I was thinking the places with most obvious floating islands are Sanctuary, Bird nest and Wind Paths. Aside from ascending wing, the other thing they have in common is the creatures tbh. Not sure how that makes it float

[distant turtle]

Also Prophecy

[willow prawn]

Oh, yes, but in Prophecy it's clearer than trials do that

[rigid mural]

Hey
The trial stones float after you complete the trial of earth...
And which elder got the element of earth ? Ayin.

[distant turtle]

Citadel has some floating stone too

[nimble ingot]

skyrim has floating trees as well.

[rigid mural]

Maybe there's two ways to make stuff float ? Naturally with the power of earth as seen in the cave of prophecy, prairie and the wind paths, and with darkstone as seen in the boogie kid puzzle in isle, valley and vault.

[distant turtle]

It's probably an ore, the kind that they mine for the diamonds

[hushed steeple]

Its in pins under switch trailer and storyboards for trailer

[willow prawn]

Which begs the question. Why is Wind paths in forest? Or where is truly located Wind paths? Because it seems to be more like Prairie than Forest

[rigid mural]

It is accessible through the forest social area, but keep in mind that social area is litterally behind the Prairie temple (you can actually backtrack from there), so the wind paths entrance could be interpreted as historically part of Prairie, just conveniently placed between it and the realm after. Which kind of fits its transitional nature as an area linking all the others.

[willow prawn]

I guess so! Especially considering it's floating right before the descent to Forest

Ash didn't answer where it was geographically located though

[distant turtle]

Haha I asked this question when Ash was here 😉. We were told in News that it's in the skies above Forest so I assume it's located way up high sort of above that social area. I don't think everything is located contiguously in 3D space, because the Oreo area is kind of located outside the world and that's not even seasonal.

---

Could these flowers be where the Flight & Assembly blue dye comes from?

[nimble ingot]

It is possible.
Assuming the game cannot show this, there are other plants that can give blue dye that the ancestors can grow.

Fun fact, I looked up blue dyes in plants and apparently a yellow flower called woed can make blue dye from its leaves.

[rigid mural]

You can also crush roots ! Also the mushrooms in forest look like they could give bioluminescent pigments too

[nimble ingot]

A Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right gets 1 heart. ❤️

[distant turtle]

It's obviously the little pot lantern

[nimble ingot]

The brazier?

[nimble ingot]

She puts down the backpack and takes out a recliner chair

"Sorry, better luck next time" ❤️

[distant turtle]

We only have this

[rigid mural]

Interesting, I forgot they are said to be high above.

[distant turtle]

The blue paint could even be from those bulbs on dark plants. I asked because Ash noted that the spirits have two paint colors.

[celest spoke]

Dye trivia: many classic blue/purple dyes (indigo, woad, murex) only take on their final color after the immersed cloth is taken out of the dye fermentation vat and exposed to air; it’s the result of oxidation and before that, the dye looks more like yellow

[hushed steeple]

So blue is older, yellow is newer
Timeline lore crumbs

[boreal nebula]

Well... I once randomly thought how strange it was for the mother piggy posing with her kid over the Valley Ice Rink... Where would the father be? And would the same have similar traits?

Then I realized the only visible thing could be strong/robust body and immediately thought about Yeti (maybe just associated both for Yeti Bearhug and sortof piggyback for similar animation over a cliff too)
To be clear I don't think Yeti was just running away from his responsibility, I more prone to think he was an ex soldier and could bear to return home)

[rigid mural]

Not always; some yellow pigments don't turn blue (tumeric), and some blue pigments aren't originally yellow (lapis lazuli).

[boreal nebula]

Oooh you think that could be a bag?!
I always picture it as a book...

Anyway good idea, maybe there's a connection between these two memories and this (book/bag) lover ||and who knows, maybe WAFO 🧇||

[rigid mural]

Props to this bald spirit for taking a stand and not being like other bald spirits by carrying around whatever prop this is

[boreal nebula]

Thx

[orchid jolt]

isnt the oreo area just behind the clouds? like the entrance is a tunnel which has us go under the clouds and enter into the oreo area on the other side of the clouds/next to bird's nest.

[orchid jolt]

am pretty sure its hollow from the top like a bag btw. though i could remember wrong

[boreal nebula]

Even simple things in my cooking experience can turn into a natural dyeing colors

For example the cooking water of artichoke after a long time it oxidea into a quite bright green.
The water of purple cabage repices can even become a nice deep blue.

Once saw a documentary about egg decopations in east Europe (traditional for Easter Festivities) and I think they used those colors (plus maybe even red onions) to paint the eggshells

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[boreal nebula]

Spotted a crab between the new crabpit and the Shipwreck secondary entrance
It was oddly pacifist

[jaunty tapir]

why does that look like a player

[boreal nebula]

Another point about the sad story of Slouch Soldier

Maybe it's the the wife similar yet different hair (which remind me of the Tearful Light Miner) but what if both are two stories about depression?

In both case the "Lover" and the Soldier were in grief for lost comrades

(Or maybe I just my point of view, making me see an archetype)

[orchid jolt]

there are two there btw. there are also two peaceful crabs in sanctuary. and the ones in office (exluding extra areas like cackling crab) are peaceful too

[rain lance]

there are 3 sky kids drawn in the sky of eden

I think I saw same drawing somewhere. Probably on a rock of home space

[hushed steeple]

Yup, arrival stone in Home space ^^
Although Eden drawing is OG, the Home stone changed from a cape (same as Eden's spirit gate) to the cape and Skykids

[brave adder]

the more I think about how seasonal spirits died, it's kinda dark and scary

[tulip aspen]

dang that detailed cape tho....

[nimble ingot]

yup.
It would start out blank, and supposedly would become more and more filled in as you progressed through the game. I am not sure if that would be completing eden, or completing the temples.

[compact shale]

They removed it because it was causing technical problems. There's quite a lot of things that didn't make it due to technical problems. We ain't destroying any phones here.

[tulip aspen]

looks at recent seasons yeah of course

[neat goblet]

A weird idea:
When the cape recharges,( it looks like the light is shimmering down along the cape)
Looking closely it looks like the cape is made of scales.
Now i cant get out of my head that the cape is an extra limb.(especially when you realise it flaps independently without the skykid using arms)

[cunning shell]

That would be interesting, but the idea of scales implies that skids are reptiles/fish/maybe amphibians. That’s a weird mental image

//then again, all the other sea creatures learned to fly. Maybe skids are basically flying mermaids who developed feet

[nimble ingot]

it may be part of the symbolism of skykids are like butterflies. They start out simple, but then become something else

[frigid tinsel]

re: scales on cape
You can see the scales that move down when recharging, but you can also see the cape changing color. It’s always a yellow orange. It’s more obvious on capes with cool color tones. I think it’s how they implemented “overcharge” seen on some of Zhao’s concept art

Though idk what they mean by “overcharge”

[floral grove]

As far as I know, there are two "factions" for every creature in Sky. They're either Light creatures or Dark creatures. Light creatures are pacifists, always glow and have white bodies while dark creatures are hostile, don't glow and have dark bodies. Sky Kids glow but they have dark bodies. Sky Kids aren't totally pacifistic as they don't mind flipping a bunch of crabs over and even place them ontop of open flames but they're not hostile enough to kill creatures. Are Sky Kids creatures between Light and Dark

[tulip aspen]

prolly some kind of power up

[tulip aspen]

idk, there's no designated actual rule or principal of this lmao, but a lot of yall definitely like to say there is, which makes for some pretty poetic takes

imo in Sky there is no specific good or evil tho

[compact shale]

According to Tom Zhao's concept art, Skykids are right in the middle of the light-dark spectrum, they're hybrids between light and dark.

I think we skids still have enough design aspects for that to still apply, as you said here.

[orchid jolt]

the overcharge prolly wasnt implemented. my guess would be it being damaging for us in some way. think like filling a jug of water, then forcing more and more water into it (somehow without it just overflowing). the water jug would burst open at some point. but, as jam said, it could just be more power

[compact shale]

Overclocked skykid: Increases your movement speed by 100% and destroys your phone /j

[orchid jolt]

there are also neutral ones. (there are dust free crabs in sanctuary and in graveyard (both areas have only two of this kind of crab) and the ones in office. And the small orange fish we see at home, in ark, outside the prairie temple, (floating in the air in office...,) and probably in some other places that i cant think of rn. if oreo is canon, then they would be another neutral creature)

[orchid jolt]

that would be the old version of sky.

[sharp lichen]

I think that they are the boundary between light and dark. Personally, I think they were created from random earth materials as well as light energy, as I think Skykids were a joint effort between different parties

[floral grove]

Interesting. If they're Neutral creatures, then I guess Sky Kids can potentially turn fully divine or be pure evil. Though I doubt they're as susceptible to such transformations like crabs since crabs pretty much turn evil right away after getting dusted or living in dark water for long enough

[compact shale]

There was concept art for both of these. Not sure how that's implemented in the current game tho.

[hushed steeple]

In the concept they are hybrids of ancestor and light creatures. Not darkness. Ancestors are dark and cool colors to represent disconnection.

[compact shale]

Oh, that's an important distinction. Thanks for that. So skykids are between connection and disconnection... what does that mean?

[hushed steeple]

Heres the actual art

I think conncection is connection to the megabird. In this case used the same as “form a connection” as in befriend someone or interact positively.

[compact shale]

oooh I see... So... this means...

[hushed steeple]

Also why the ancestors are to be “indifferent” not caring. Care is connection

[compact shale]

Wow...

[hushed steeple]

On a side note I really want these kids masks

✨

[compact shale]

I guess now we know where they got the idea for Prophecy masks

[hushed steeple]

They been in multiple ones too

Prophecy masks where a long time coming

[compact shale]

I just realized that when Ash was there we forgot to ask if the "drinking the dark water" quote had any significance to lore

[hushed steeple]

Booze confirmed for sky :]

[harsh pecan]

I can’t tell if these are better than the ones we got

[hushed steeple]

It has no wonky bat teeth or turtle horns its inferior. I do like the ones in the hybrid chart a bit better even if they are a bit too simple

[compact shale]

What just got deleted?!

[rugged jackal]

Nothing..

[compact shale]

was it censored or voluntary deletion?

[rugged jackal]

I just felt weird and deleted it

[tulip aspen]

yep! i love that term of connected because it makes them sound like when we become Goldie at the end of the game, we truly are Connected to the Sky, and the only step more is to fall back in it's arms

[tulip aspen]

see, darkness is so so associated with "evil" or some kind of actual energy, but the elder and ancestors in Zhao's concept dont represent an evil, just a lack or loss of Light

[tulip aspen]

oh you already said it lol

but yeah it's such so so much a common misconception you hear about that concept art

[tulip aspen]

that was back when the mayan stone structure/tech theme was still a large part of the concepts, like fruity's fave whales they thought were alive lmao

[compact shale]

Wait, that's a Mayan reference?

[tulip aspen]

just the art style of the old concepts is
or aztec or something

idk im being uncultured just throwing names out there, it just kiiinda looks mesoamerican to me

[rugged jackal]

whats Mayan?

[compact shale]

To be fair we don't know much

What did you want to talk about, Jam?

[tulip aspen]

nothing i should be busy writing papers rn

[compact shale]

SEE YOU LATER JAM

[rugged jackal]

Well, good luck

[frigid tinsel]

that's the name I was thinking of. That concept art style did remind me of some South American or Mesoamerican indigenous culture but I couldn't put a name to it. Incan, Nahuatl, Mayan, Quecha, Mapuche, Toltec.

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh yeah maybe quecha
zloatian or whatever it was

i know how to pronounce it but not spell it lolol

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea, definitely toltec

[tulip aspen]

and moreso, just modern pop culture takes on mesoamerican styles of architecture and masks

i think the most notable is the machines in the animated 2001 film Atlantis Lost Empire (classic)

[tulip aspen]

those machines were especially what those fishy buses reminded me of

[frigid tinsel]

found where I got "overcharge" from

[jaunty tapir]

hmm i guess sky's (or at least tom zhao's) concept was more action-y huh there's health and overcharge (sounds like a special move lmao) and i heard there were planned bosses in the concept art too?

[frigid tinsel]

yea, he planned for a fight with the "corrupt king"

[compact shale]

Yeah, sick huh?

[frigid tinsel]

he also drew a "warrior" skykids would reawaken in the Wasteland who would fight off "dark forces"

[jaunty tapir]

man that would've been so cool, actually i've been thinking of sending a feedback for a difficulty toggle to enable more action aspects they planned for the game. but with how sky is going, i doubt they'll ever consider that haha

[compact shale]

That might need to be its own game

[jaunty tapir]

yeah, i'll just imagine it now since i'm almost 100% sure they won't ever go there haha

[compact shale]

I've been imagining it too! (merging of the many dark creatures of concept art and the current game cosmetics)

I have a doc but it's not lore sooo

[frigid tinsel]

i've been imaging things that happen in-universe when I play. also been planning a fanfic where some of the concept art stuff that didn't make it in-game would happen, though I do want to stay faithful to how the game currently is

that's just how my mind works. can't stop speculating how games work "in-universe"

[orchid jolt]

Just want to point out, that individualaty is definitely something heavily expressed in sky now with all the cosmetics. And individuality can mean disconnection.

"When we meet others, we intertwine our strings. We form intricate knots and tie ourselves to others. Yet, even if our hands cannot undo the knots, they are still separate strings. Though we seek more connection, we must stay somewhat disconnected. For to delve where it shines to brightly is to lose oneself to a melding pot of minds..."

[orchid jolt]

Yes, if anything it highlights that despite the contrast between connections with others and being an individual, both can be good

[compact shale]

So that's what it means...

[orchid jolt]

I mean, there's always the chance of an alternate reality season thing. I mean after all, wasn't petit prince's season two realities colliding? Why not two similar ones? (Sky: Children of the Light and Sky: Light Awaits) would make sense as more of an expansion than a season. Prolly would be something where once you summon each elder in orbit they open up a path to a different rebirth portal or something. I had posted the idea in wishlist multiple times. But it would be a huge project for the devs and the old problems of phones overheating (which they still do) from older versions of sky could come back... But it's certainly possible.

[orchid jolt]

Well.... I don't really know what it means, I was just giving my interpretation on it

[compact shale]

Well, yeah, technical problems... it should probably be its separate game, but some of your original aspects can be transferred in.

Also Ash answered questions about the nature of TLP's reality

What is canon to Sky's world and what isn't in the Season of the Little Prince?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message (wait is this really an answer?)

Is Starlight Desert real?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Though your interpretation of what the disconnection/connection balance is makes a lot of sense

[orchid jolt]

He did say that the interpretation is up to "you". So I would argue the answer isn't clear enough (or is cryptic enough). It felt more like listing out possibilities of interpretations to me, but I could be wrong lol

[compact shale]

Yiiiikes. Well... there is the existential crisis of lorechat which basically goes:

What If The Devs Don't Really Know Either?!

[frigid tinsel]

keyword here being "can." There are definitely risks of a environment with rampent hyper-individualism, but that doesn't mean individualism is in it of itself a bad trait with negative consequences.

[harsh pecan]

How would they not know

[compact shale]

MMMMMMMMmmmmmmm... maybe we shouldn't make you suffer with us...

[harsh pecan]

No please, say it

[compact shale]

start here, it's very long

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

Oh….

[compact shale]

Are you regretting this?

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmmm, a little

[compact shale]

Tis just a conspiracy... for now...

[harsh pecan]

Yes…

[frigid tinsel]

off topic but I just have a feeling that Isle Elder names all the skykids. No i don't have proof of this, it's just a vibe

[hushed steeple]

I think the devs know the major main-game revelations (that we might have already theorized commonly). But not a lot of extra details. And things can change on a dime.

[hushed steeple]

: “you are my favorite Azolious”

: “my name is Cody”

[compact shale]

So... who holds the details?

Edit: Seriously?

Edit edit: AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

[frigid tinsel]

of course, skykids may rename themselves after a while, but when they're first born and don't know much, the Isle Elder goes "ah, a moth, you deserve a name"

[hushed steeple]

In true seriousness....I don’t think there IS a lot of details to some questions.

Like skykids might be spirity creature hybrid heaven concoctions. So like wondering what they are made of like....

Heaven stuff

[compact shale]

Ash doesn't know what the skykids are made of. So who DOES know, then? (don't answer Ktjn, they deliberately don't dabble that much into the narrative work)

[hushed steeple]

We are here for creation of intricate needless but fun details

I call it waxstone and declare it oddly soft and warm for something with stone in the name.

[regal phoenix]

Hiya lore what's the topic

[compact shale]

We have no idea, ujiwewewenj

[regal phoenix]

The topic : yes.

[frigid tinsel]

a) what are skykids made of
b) devs don't know what the lore is
c) isle elder names moths
d) reflecting on lore crumbs

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I was just using skykids composition as an example of questions that prolly don’t have answers due to the nature of the story.

[regal phoenix]

I just call it magic clay

[compact shale]

what is the nature of the story?

[frigid tinsel]

what if skykids are made of some ✨space✨ material given that they're descended stars

[hushed steeple]

Magic starchildren are made to retrieve deadpeople, take over for the dead people and rebirth. Also maybe they are the lost elder.

[regal phoenix]

Mary skue /j

[compact shale]

HAHAHAHA

What is the "True End" of Sky? When we reborn, is it because we haven't completed our mission? If so, what happens when we complete it?

Edit: But... what?

[hushed steeple]

Prolly just when you put the game down. Or when theres a last season and devs are done with the game for good.

I know you mean lorewise but

Skykids are kinda just always doing their mission by being themselves

[regal phoenix]

Until the season of the big king /j

[compact shale]

I mean, I have 2 endings in mine

Moving On Ending
Skykids and ancestor souls are re-assimilated to the Megabird galaxy, and Megabird drops some stars in a new, empty planet to begin the next cycle

Society of the Living and Dead Ending
Skykids rebuild the kingdom and make a society where they can co-exist with the ancestors. Yes, they're still dead. Everyone has to ascend every now and then, but everyone will maintain the self they have.

Neither seems right, so I'm asking for some more accurate thoughts.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are called "the descendants" so I'm still keen that after their prime directive (as psychopomps) is complete, they'll inherit the Sky world, perhaps to maintain balance between the light and the darkness that went haywire after the ancestors messed around and found out. Because they're a generation that is more closely connected with the Sky/Megabird, things are less likely to go wrong.

[hushed steeple]

I like calling sociaty of living dead ending.....inheritance theory.

Meant not only to save the spirits and return them, but to inherent the kingdom as the next generation.

[regal phoenix]

Reject skid go back to ancestors

[compact shale]

I don't think the inheritance theory included the ancestors when I heard it... a variation for sure but not the same

[hushed steeple]

Did someone else say inheritance theory without ancestor spirits involved? who do they inherent from then?

[compact shale]

No I mean the ancestors aren't participating in the society in inheritance theory WHOOPS

[frigid tinsel]

the skykids could co-exist with the ancestor spirits. consider if their prime directive isn't necessarily shepherd the spirits to ascension but rather free them from darkness.

[regal phoenix]

Season of time(travel)

[hushed steeple]

Well as we see now even though they are returned to the stars they still come down whenever they want. I think any text about it refers to it more as visiting. So they can go back and forth.

I think it was the darkness that kept them on the land in the first place. Hence the dark crust you gotta break.

[compact shale]

Don't they need to be reincarnated though? As something else?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe eventually but so far they seem chill just coming back down as themselves. Maybe someday they are like “ok im ready to be a new skykid now” but for now they still gotta care for and teach the new generation.

[frigid tinsel]

guess it's more of a question if they need to be reincarnated to complete the cycle. like, skykids are the same even after being reborn. could the same be happening with ancestor spirits who descend from time to time?

[compact shale]

Um I guess so, but why the heck aren't they getting bodies? Also, DO ancestors have a choice as to when they get reborn?

[regal phoenix]

I wonder why the elders reward you with hair out of anything

[frigid tinsel]

maybe their spirit forms are their bodies? idk

[hushed steeple]

Or maybe because Prince is such an odd case because they actually do just rebirth as themselves again normally. Rebirthing as new people is like “woah where did he go?”

I think ancestors prolly could not choose when to be born....back when there was actually people to born them. No living people left to birth new bodies of that species so. Extinction for spirits. Good thing death does not look like it means much to them.

[abstract wasp]

LMAOO always wondered why do spirits only give chibi spells..

do they want us to remain childs...
Like childs of the light?

Are they nostalgic of us growing old?
Why do they not want us to be bigger?
Do they not want us to grow older like them??
Is there some type of curse of getting old in Sky?????
Do spirits want to be younger??????
And elders??????
Is that why butterflies were harvested?????
Is that the type of power corrupted king was looking for??????

IS THIS...LORE
||/j||

[hushed steeple]

Bro I keep getting resize

[regal phoenix]

I have 7 as max height

[compact shale]

Ayy the slowmode got shorter!

Anyways here's Fruity's current relationship with Sky lore

[regal phoenix]

I'm just fascinated with Eden

[frigid tinsel]

same tbh

[harsh pecan]

Same

[frigid tinsel]

anyways i really hope there is no legit time travel cos that's just hard to wrap one's head around. I say this as a writer who has tried implementing time travel in my work and just collapsed.

I think what Ash meant by how some seasons occur in the past and present is that skykids are reliving spirits memories to varying extents. In Dreams, which they said is mostly in the past, is probably the "past" is really reliving the past of the skater girl, not actually travelling to the past

[compact shale]

Yeah, just goes to prove we can't just make one formula for every spirit when it comes to how their memories work. My non-lorist friend realized it earlier than we did.

[stable scroll]

Oh wait, so spirits in enchantment and flight season shared same timeline right?

[compact shale]

No idea!

[stable scroll]

They both got affected by the storm

[compact shale]

Wait, Sky isn't all in one timeline, Yoimiya?

[stable scroll]

I believe prophecy season was the first, where skykids learned from their ancestors and decided to explore the world (?)

[compact shale]

Hmmm, yeah that's for the lore vets...

[stable scroll]

I didn’t pay attention to the cutscenes at last quest of flight season. But in the enchantment cutscenes, spirits found lost lights and able to repair their boat. Not sure if they return/visit flight area after that

[hushed steeple]

I hear one theory, that the “seasons” are more different constellations coming close enough to the world so that those spirits reappear.

I think all seasons are in the same “timeline” meaning same continuity. They prolly are in the same order chronologically as the realm they are in. Hence why prophecy is first. Its in isle. Sky realms represent the evolution of a civilization and its fall.

[frigid tinsel]

for the most part, I believe the seasons occurred in-universe as they did in-game except for Dreams. I find it hard to believe skykids would not notice a whole village right next the stadium they slide around in all the time.

New seasonal areas were always there, they were just covered by clouds. As the storm weakens, the clouds recede, and the "new" areas are revealed and accessible.

some parts of Prophecy, namely the cave on the far left of Isle, might have been noticed before the big Prophecy cave was revealed.

[stable scroll]

It sounds sad that even they were able to live in peace after the storm, but then they lost and suffered as krills attacked

[hushed steeple]

Oo I like the idea its the storm receding

[stable scroll]

I like your idea. One thing just crossed my mind, since all we did was relive spirits’ memories, so skykids are archaeologists somehow

[frigid tinsel]

yea, nothing has infinite energy. Unless there is something feeding the corrupted diamond in Eden that's powering the storm (the supply of which is debatable but also possibly not endless), then it's going to weaken over time and stop someday. The rate in which it's weakening is debatable, but it will weaken, so the storm will recede

[compact shale]

Mmhmmm, in a way, yes, but lorists (everyone here) take it to the next level. Someone suggested "psychopomp", which is a creature whose responsibility is to escort newly deceased souls from Earth into the afterlife.

[frigid tinsel]

aye, that was me

[compact shale]

Ah, yes. Thank you for introducing us to that word.

[jaunty tapir]

That's a good idea. And I honestly can't wait for the storm or the king to weaken completely so that the story would progress. Since we're basically just getting a lot of prequels with the seasons haha. But if that were to happen, the game would reach a literal "end" and the cycle of rebirth would stop. And I'm sure people would get sad haha.

[hushed steeple]

Season of finality coming summer 2045

[frigid tinsel]

yea, unless something stops the corrupted diamond in Eden prematurely, we're gonna be here a while

[stable scroll]

Imagine when we able to link all the seasons together and skykid find a way to stop the corrupted diamond in eden with/ without everyone sacrificing. The loops/ circle will end

[compact shale]

Indeed... we look forward to the completion of our mission... we'll go back to where we came from, won't we?

[frigid tinsel]

Well, if Eden stops being a hellscape, then skykids can’t die in Eden. How will they ascend?

Edit: Dumb question, prob don’t need to die to ascend. Just need to reach the end of their lives. But what does that look like? For a skykid to not die prematurely?

[stable scroll]

I still can’t imagine what would happen if skykids fulfill their missions. Would they stay and create new habitants or they will go to another universe and repeat

[hushed steeple]

Ooooorrr. Better yet, instant orbit warp back and forth unlocked.

[compact shale]

Who knows? I've thought of possibilities related to both.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Imagine eden rebuilt hhhhhhh. Instant orbit warp....hhhhh. I shouldn’t think of these wishlist things.

[harsh pecan]

Hello Yoimiya

[stable scroll]

Hiii Mune

[west stag]

My theory for skykids is that they use echo location, they have their normal calls, and then the deep calls that map out the surrounding area, not to mention maskless skykids have closed eyes meaning they most likely can't see, though that doesn't add up to how their eyes open with a mask on

[harsh pecan]

This theory makes a lot of sense

[compact shale]

So Ash says that some seasons lean more towards showing just the past, while some actually involve the present time in the mix.

Which seasons are past-only, and which ones are past/present? I want to know because Last Wish Theory only works if the season is a past/present type.

[jaunty tapir]

everything before enchantment seems to be past only
enchantment & sanc seems past-present?
prophecy, dreams past
assembly past-present
tlp ???
flight past-present

basically every season involving rebuilding something i categorized as past-present...

[compact shale]

Yeah that makes sense... TLP is its own reality

[tight panther]

Oi Minty 🧍

Well I think it’s because our eyeballs are literally glowing balls and, idk that would be creepy without mask

[harsh pecan]

I remember seeing a list of seasons that took place before diamonds were invented, maybe thatll help

[compact shale]

what is the list?

[harsh pecan]

Prophecy, Enchantment, Flight, Gratitude (maybe) and Lightseekers (maybe) were before the Diamond era while the rest came afterwards. The list is outdated since we see spirits on boats in the final Flight cutscene. I’m guessing Rhythm and Dreams took place at around the same time because Juggler appears in Dreams, oh yea also Belonging, Sanctuary and Flight (I think)

[distant turtle]

I don't think Enchantment fits that list. They have powered diamonds, Vault artifacts, and they know about Vault in the quests.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[compact shale]

NOW IS NOT THE TIME-

[harsh pecan]

Ohhh

[tulip aspen]

yes lol there's no time travel

"the blue background objects and things seen in memories and season quests are just representing the past, or imagery of what they must have to accomplish their wish

as we help them fulfill their wish that's us interacting with them but they aren't actually solidly 'real'

that may beg the question of how things like the ark, treehouse, and windpaths come to fruition, but maybe not
; we already HAVE seen Beings interact with the real world from their 'Limbo': the Elders

the Elders open the temple exits for us, and also the gate to Eden, as well as use their power to break the atmosphere and help creatures of Light ascend

so therefore we KNOW those long gone can influence the reality of our world

and spirits can too; the fulfilled wishes of the seasonal spirits, together as a team, have literally materialized entire structures and rearranged the skies

im going to assume thats what their statement means"

[compact shale]

So... which seasons DOES Last Wish apply to?

[tulip aspen]

uhh
idk
now that i think about it dreams is ruined on me, just by the tiniest bit

did we really not help her at all...?

unless... maybe the wish was of the mom, to remember her treasure's story, a massive reliving

[compact shale]

Yeah that revelation kind of made Dreams sadder for me...

Though like I said, we can't generalize spirit mechanics with just one formula, now that we know how some seasons are just in the past. We might need another one soon.

[nimble ingot]

What if, even though the ancestors died in the past, the spirits are aware of the present.

This could explain why the spirits are able to be befriended and why they are able to relive their past memories, and create new ones with the skykids.

[compact shale]

For all we know that might not even apply to all spirits...

[tulip aspen]

in dreams only the the mom and girl seemed to be aware of the players presence, and the girl only during the 4th n 5th missions

[nimble ingot]

Exactly.
Since the spirits are like ghosts, they are able to see the world and experience tbings even though they died long ago.

Sort of makes me wonder if ghosts are real, then ghosts that died before the time of electricity, then they would be super confused.

[compact shale]

How do you know they're aware?

[tulip aspen]

they both interact with you

the girl literally dances side by side with you

[compact shale]

How does it show the past, though?

[tulip aspen]

time travel writing is always / gets lazy imo, but that's extremely flamey and controversial

[tulip aspen]

well like i said

the blue images we see in any spirit activity whether a reliving or a seasonal mission, are the past

anything else is literally the spirit interacting with us

in the first 3 missions, even the girl is just shown as the holographic blue statues

but in 4-5, she is real and dancing with us
(and with her skating at the village)

so we can rely on my evidence of blue ghosties being the past

for a team with no coherent writing for their part or future content, at least the past and future in game still somehow looks concrete! xD

[nimble ingot]

If it is a memory, then it is the past, because the spirit is reliving it.
They might not react to skykids because the skykid was not there when the memory took place.

Anything outside of that could be the present for the spirit, since they interact with the skykid (trading, hugging, living out a memory with the skykid, and doing quests).

Personally, this recent development feels more plausible than timetravel.

[compact shale]

So are we ACTUALLY affecting something in Dreams or not? Butter did say, and I quote

"Tho, when you do the final quest, the text says "You witnessed how the dream came true", rather than "You made her dream come true". Its in past tense, and notice with every quest, we actually have to relive A SPIRIT MEMORY. The last one was a meditation at the Stadium. We only witness the past."

What does traveling into someone's memories do? Alter their perception of the past or something? idk

[tulip aspen]

it feels plausible because i don't believe in analyzing anything but the truth

[tulip aspen]

i feel like 3 n 4 only recreated the past, and the girl as a spirit was just like "okay cool i have a friend"

[nimble ingot]

That is tricky.
On the one hand, the girl could have had a dream to be a skater in the colliseum, but was not able to do so jn life. So the skykids helped the skater girl and with the friend's help managed to do so in death.

On the other hand, the girl did achieve this, and as a spirit got to experience it again with the skykids.

[compact shale]

Do you think they just wanted to perform again? I'd make a wild guess that they weren't thinking of just performing once, but then the storm happened.

[nimble ingot]

We dont know how the ancestors died exactly.Or whether everyone died at once, or of a certain cause.

All we know is the darkness did play a role in their demise, and the ancestors we meet are spirits that did not pass on.

[compact shale]

TGC probably doesn't have a high enough maturity rating to show that. Ah well, we should save that for the next lore beaning.

Then again, I don't know how to word a question well. Do we do it as

If I asked you if (question), would you say yes/no?

(this is a reference to the 3 gods riddle lmao)

[tulip aspen]

when it says "you witnessed how the dream came true" i don't think it means that dreams part 5 HAS to be a solid memory

in general, we just acknowledge that her dream of dancing for the kingdom in that arena did come true

part 5 doesn't have to actually represent that for us to understand that

so yes i think we can just say it was her interacting with us rather than a memory

[nimble ingot]

I like to think the guides giving quests and then the title saying we fulfill the ancestor spirit's wish, means that the skykid managed to help the spirit achieve something they did not get to do in life.

[tulip aspen]

in general we bring some sort of magic, whether literal or emotionally, to the guide's life upon completing a mission

that's what i think it means

[compact shale]

I don't think we can use the "maybe the guide has deeper issues" thing

I think they're just staying for gameplay, so that you have something to come back to to relive season quests yada yada

Except for Belonging Grandma tho. Maybe THEY can be theorized upon. LOL

[tulip aspen]

i mean who knows

maybe eventually all the guides will have some kind of activity implying they're still lowkey trapped here

the fact ash couldnt answer u about granny really makes me think they have more stuff planned, but maybe i also shouldnt get my hopes up lol

[compact shale]

Well the thing is I also don't know how to ask devs good questions

[boreal nebula]

@neat goblet @cunning shell @frigid tinsel
Re: scales on cape
I always thought those to be more like feathers rather than scales... But who knows... Maybe that could explain why we can breath underwater

Joke aside I think this descending light pattern (which can be spotted on Prairie bells too) is a sort of reminiscence of that elaborate cape pattern discussed just before the comment I'm replying

[tulip aspen]

we'll get em next time

also im driving to my next stoo but ill make a summary of our newest research when i get there

[compact shale]

Oh... so you don't know how to ask them good questions either...

[tulip aspen]

can the question be a massive paragraph that's just a run on sentence?

[compact shale]

A riddle of a question for a riddle of an answer? In technical terms it's a fair trade...

[tulip aspen]

i don't write riddles..... my paragraphs arent that jumbled......... i think............

[boreal nebula]

You know, what you're talking here reminded me of this Physics principle of water/fluids discovered by Pascal

It's commonly known as the Pascal's Barrel 🛢️
https://youtu.be/ju3zlrhb9pA

In short, even if the barrel was full and the little pipe hold less water, it was its long height which generates enough pressure inside to break the barrel

To be more formal:
Pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is transmitted undeminished to every points in the fluids and to the walls of the container

[floral grove]

I know I'm late but those are some cursed Sky Kids

[rain prawn]

yeets in through window
I have an entire Google Doc on Sky lore that I made before Starlight Desert was kinda confirmed canon by Wind Paths so ya know what it's lore time-

[compact shale]

Bring. It. On.

[tulip aspen]

ooooh pls share this doc

pdf version pls?

[compact shale]

🌠🌠
🏜️🏜️🏜️

[orchid jolt]

Those aren't cursed sky kids. THESE are cursed sky kids:

[icy spruce]

WHAT A
THE WHAT

[orchid jolt]

slightly better pic:

[orchid jolt]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284977330994077698/photo/1

[boreal nebula]

third one's cape reminds me of Megabird

lowkey want that megabird cape right now

[compact shale]

What's with the third one's chin-

[boreal nebula]

he put one of Sahmekh masks upside down

Still wonder why we cannot get a triangular mask of their (tier 2 Elders Cosmetics, pleeeease)

[compact shale]

Good thing the chin didn't make it to live

[distant turtle]

I think the new season has this approach

[rain prawn]

I need to update this but here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JwOrGm3KW8v5wuYfoF1i6mYDrVmONNhw2PXqHsu2tsE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[boreal nebula]

E Y E G A S M

[orchid jolt]

spoilers for beta. sorry mate but remove pls

[distant turtle]

I meant Flight sorry. I don't know spoilers for new season

[orchid jolt]

ohh. ok then its fine.

[nimble ingot]

oh, lol.
I thought you meant the next season and you were teasing it.
Its all good. 🙂

[distant turtle]

Yes sorry about the way I wrote that

[orchid jolt]

Ah yes, a cape

[distant turtle]

I feel like all the spirits know about the players in Season of Flight

In Dreams I didn't get that sense from the seasonal spirits. They only seemed to notice the skater.

Well, we can trade with spirits so they know about the player then, but during the quests it seemed like not so.

[orchid jolt]

yall know how we can bring crabs into forest elder's (and valley elders') cutscenes? Yah, that existed even in the concept art

[distant turtle]

I like the idea of the spirits still being present in the sky world and caring about present events, even if we can't interact so directly.

[orchid jolt]

i mean, they have us dance with the skater in both the performance and the performance practice. if anything, it felt like they were just more focused on the skater

[boreal nebula]

I think that before the Cataclysm both spirits and living ancestors could live united, empowering new generation. After all there are some tombs stone we can see but that don't have a spirit tied to it (Valley Races, Oreo/Teamwork shrines and even in Cackling Crab)

In my mind, after the Eden Explosion the storm was mostly sealed inside the 7th Realm but some of it escaped (mainly in GW, but the darkness dust maybe spread a little into other realms, even if each one is sealed from the other, through the winds of Wind Paths despite the issue there was fixed pretty quickly, to which spirits in charge of boat shipments were happy to see its routes restored)

Even if they thought they returned to the normal life the darkness was able to severe, maybe not right away, the connection between living-ancestors and the afterlife-spirits. Causing a slow downfall of
the Sky Kindgdom

[orchid jolt]

cackling crab is probably not canon, but there is the meditating monastatic spirit with the rock grave thing.

but would tearful light miner really be that sad if that were the case?

[boreal nebula]

Oh yeah, that spirit too

[orchid jolt]

i mean, we have graves in our world but it's not like we see spirits

[nimble ingot]

I am curious to why you think the season spirit from season of light seekers, the crab whispers ( I assume you were referring to) is not canon.
As far as I can tell practically every spirit is canon. Except for the Little Prince himself being an anomaly, since they are the main character from the book that the game collaborated with.

[orchid jolt]

no i meant the bonus office area. the cackling crab. from halloween

[nimble ingot]

Oh, the skykid staff?
Then in that case then yes.
They have their own little meta lore in the game.

[boreal nebula]

A lost is still a loss...
then maybe, just maybe, the Eden could have already severed the bond between livings-spirits

That could be a big trauma for a Kingdom who always relied on the dear deceased ones to stay near them.. I guees it would be a big sense of loss for them all

[orchid jolt]

???????? No, the area. the cackling crab area. WIth the krill, the crabs, the graves, the dev spirits. ITS ENTRANCE IS IN A TOILET IN THE OFFICE!

[nimble ingot]

That is what I meant. Arent those spirits skykid staff like the one that would help players through the spirit gate, or the ones that sell items for events or the special capes?

[boreal nebula]

To be fair, it could be hard to associate that area name, I don't even know what cackling means in my language and Idk how well it could be translated in other countries

[orchid jolt]

I guess?

[nimble ingot]

cackling means to laugh loudly and maniacally.
Think of an evil witch laughing.

[boreal nebula]

i prefer to them as simply NPCs to tell them apart from the regular Spirits

[tulip aspen]

here's what we know about the season of dreams for sure, and what the knowledge means to our pursuit of lore
.
in parts/missions 1-4 of dreams, what we see are memories, and we are reliving skater girl's experiences being taught wisdom and skills by the villagers
.
in part 5, and also in live season time of the girl skating at the village, what we see of the skater are not memories, but the skater's spirit, and in part 5 we even are shown interacting with her spirit self
.
this interaction concretely happens in a shared mindspace between the player and the skater (her Limbo) and we know for sure part 5 occurs inside a limbo because we meditate to get there

and now the misconceptions/conflicts.
at the end of part 5, we see the message "you witnessed how the dream came true".
this calls even the event inside part 5's limbo into question, (the skater technically could be dancing on her own but we pretend she's dancing with us lol) but we'll address this conflict via theories for and against in a second.
it's also extremely important to acknowledge the guide and the skater girl are not the same character. the guide spirit has different motives and intentions than the skater spirit. so as we begin to formulate hypothesi and theories, we have to keep in mind the guide is the one who calls us to relive these memories and interact with the skater in part 5. so clearly they want/need something

"You've fulfilled a wish of this ancestor"

now lets look at the possibilities

1. part 5 isnt supposed to be a direct representation of the past

2. part 5 is a solid presentation of the past in that Limbo, and we kinda just assert ourselves pretending to be in it

3. the ending sentence is just poorly worded (something, mind, TGC had never done before) and we did actually make the skater's dream come true

[orchid crypt]

The fact that they’re called “spirit memories” when we’re reliving a spirit makes me wonder if all our interactions with the spirits might be a metaphysical representation of something that’s already happened. Like, maybe the skater girl did actually fulfil her dreams long ago, and we were just experiencing a “vivid memory” of the whole thing because we were actually there back then as well

[tulip aspen]

interactions have do and will only ever involve seasonal spirits during missions

reliving spirit memories never have involved us actually interacting with the spirit, unfortunately

also, you're saying the skykid was an ancestral skid back then, and has just still rebirthed to this day?
thatd be an interesting story lolol

[orchid crypt]

There’s always been the question of where the player sky kid game from, and what relation we have to the winged light, which are “imprints of a child of light”. Combined with the theory that the whole rebirth cycle might be a kind of limbo for the sky kid, I start wondering about whether the flow of time in the realms might be distorted, or if what we’re seeing is fully real — if you start blurring the boundaries like that, then it’d suddenly make a lot of sense why spirits which have laid dormant for such a long time seem to recognise and interact with us so easily in the seasonal stories

It’s more like, why would we be able to help with the spirit’s problems now, when they’ve been long dead already? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had been resolved before they died?

[rain prawn]

I very much need to update that doc, I have a general idea that some spirit memories take place before others (coughDismisscough) so I feel like there's some kind of pre-game timeline there.
and of course there's Starlight Desert and the lore can of worms that is Season of the Little Prince.
I really need to update that doc.

[tulip aspen]

because ancestors can't "die" without being enlightened enough to ascend on their own

these spirits had their problems and needed to appreciate their lives and who they were, otherwise they'd never be able to ascend, and that's why some are still stuck here

I don't think the antagonism here is a flow of time thing

[willow prawn]

I honestly think the Skater girl had already accomplished her dream, but we're helping the guide remember because after their death, they don't know what happened anymore.

We also do share a space with the skater girl, which is why we dance together. I think it was also her way to show us the full memory instead of faint ghostly figures

[tulip aspen]

so do you think it's option one then?

[boreal nebula]

I agree, we relive their memories from their past.

I don't know if metaphysical the term I would use to describe that, but I'd say we help the spirits putting together their single memories (like in cases of single spirits) and even collective spirits (like in seasonal area)

After death the darkness severed their bonds and cloaked their past, we are kind of their therapists

[willow prawn]

Yeah! That's why our dances sync instead of just her shining

Now. Thinking about which seasons may be merely in the last and which one aren't
• No clue with Gratitude and Lightseekers because I haven't checked gameplay for then
• Belonging is probably a mix? After a storm everyone got lost, so you reunite their spirits in the present
• no clue with Rhythm
• Enchantment seems to also be a mix. We DO restore the place, but I think they did it before. It just faded with their memories and you help bring it back with the lights
• Sanctuary, Assembly, Flight, and basically every one where we restore a place feels like a mix
• Prophecy was in the past, def, but I guess we also restore the murals and caves...?
• Dreams is in the past, because sometimes we deserve wholesome moments
• LP is just a figment of our imagination. Or not ..?

[rain prawn]

I honestly have a bit of a theory on Little Prince.
It does say the Starlight Desert is "Where dreamlike worlds collide" so it's very much possible that the Season of the Little Prince is in some sense a dream. idk though.

[willow prawn]

Kinda, kinda! But we can find the LP in other areas, so it leaves room for doubt. Was all that a dream in the desert? Did you even go to Eden? (Because something krilled me anyways )

It's nice to have such a dream like adventure though

[misty cedar]

Helloo. Im actually new in Sky lore but i wrote a story for a event wich is all about sky lore i just wondered if one of you guys can look over it and tell me if it even makes sense

[nimble ingot]

A Chibi walks up to you wearing a backpack and says, "Guess what I got."

Whoever guesses right, wins 2 hearts. ❤️ ❤️

[orchid jolt]

well, it says dreamworlds, plural, so i think its more of saying that the worlds of sky and petit prince are dreamlike and are meeting, colliding. I like to think that the two worlds/realities had no effect on eachother until now. the past was written separately, but the future is intertwined.

[orchid jolt]

i guess so, btw i made a server for fan stuff, like fan seasons, fan stories, fan events, and more, want the invite link?

[misty cedar]

Yess pleassee

[orchid jolt]

a pillow

[hushed steeple]

A memory cube

[nimble ingot]

She puts down the backpack and takes out a rhythm banner.

"Sorry, better luck next time." ❤️

[jaunty tapir]

That's a fun game

[hushed steeple]

Hi Lore chat
Does unlocking all Elder ults have a bigger ultimate gift?
Like if you complete all base game constellations 100% and visit all the Elders

[nimble ingot]

unfortunately no.
At least that I am aware of. 😢

[robust flare]

Idk if this has anything to do with current Sky, but in a very old concept art there's the phrase "Past meets present future" where present is crossed out

[jaunty tapir]

No. I heard it's different in the chinese server though? Not sure.

[hushed steeple]

Oh
I actually had a headcanon
Will see if I can word it well enough

[robust flare]

I think some concept art still has relevance seeing as it inspired the current game. But it's hard to filter through at times

[nimble ingot]

If you have it, can you please share it? 🙏

[robust flare]

Sure, it might be hard to read but I can send the link! edit second box

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdUkpSEVAAE4ORh?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

From the Seven Days of Sky thing on Twitter

[hushed steeple]

It occurred to me that Eden is kind of a Temple of Temples. If anyone here is into data structures and stuff, think of it like a tree: the root is Orbit (that stone from where you can access the constellations), beneath it Eden, beneath Eden all the Elders' temples, and beneath the temples, the realms that lead you to those temples. Essentially there's a hierarchy with Orbit at the top and the realms are at the bottom. A Skykid works their way to the top.

You can see it in the game as this parallel: There's always a small cutscene when you enter the temple that tells you where the altar is. In Orbit, too, there's a little cutscene that indicates to you where you can access all constellations from. Also like all other realms, after you finish Eden, you get to go back Home (return shrine in the realms and rebirth after Orbit).

[nimble ingot]

ooh, the early concept art for what looks like an early dawn elder idea.

[robust flare]

Yessss, and there's even older concepts!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdUkmVYUEAAwAlM?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[hushed steeple]

Hence why I asked if there's also an Ult of Ults - like, do we get to meet the Prince/King after we get all the base game ults? A smol special cutscene? Anything?

But apparently not

[robust flare]

I want a king mask ;-;

[icy spruce]

Forest mask

[robust flare]

Yeah, but it doesn't look quite the same and doesn't cover my face :c

[nimble ingot]

That is why it is a good idea to save up candles.
While you prioritise the seasonal items, you can work on the constellation later.

Unless you want to spend a whole month grinding hard every day to finish it.

[robust flare]

I rarely spend candles on the elder constellations. I have played since April of 2020, still haven't finished any. Too busy with friends and TS

[hushed steeple]

That's true, and it's what I do
I just crossed 300 candles for the first time today (you may congratulate me now)
And I'm just going to focus on the events and stuff for now because I will have time for the constellations later

[robust flare]

Oh, I think I saw someone asking about the skykids recently? All I know is they are part ancestor, part creature. https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059251784-DS6YZWVQEK2P1D153E6S/086_Sky.jpg?format=1000w

Tom Zhao is more powerful than the almighty Megabird

[icy spruce]

facts

[frigid tinsel]

hmm, yknow the "orange represents flame" part intrigues me. Thinking back to my comment on how capes, when charging, will also glow a yellow-orange, that may not be overcharge like I thought but rather a skykid's flame.

[robust flare]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059286340-F0G9LXSMBIUG6JOZU2PP/100_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059258212-DXNU6V8BA810R9AFHU02/089_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

Also looked at this image on my new laptop, which gives a better resolution, and the krill look so weird https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059240960-XYR33PSUJN873F9MJNF1/060_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

Ooh, there's also eel-like creatures...like the one the king has

[tulip aspen]

omg amazing work ty fam, but one quick addendum; i dont believe they made the ark base in the past

when you first arrive at ark it shows literally nothing there, not even the spell shops

omg amazing work ty fam, but one quick addendum; i dont believe they made the ark base in the past

when you first arrive at ark it shows literally nothing there, not even the spell shops, so i don't think they were able to do this before

(there's a bit more 'evidence' but it's a bit of a stretch: you have to go out and explore the realms to find the magic they needed all along, so maybe they never actually had enough magic to be able to create the ark base)

[compact shale]

They were supposed to create an ark base? I do know how it crashed, though. (Lightning strike)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

ill give a full picture of every season i know a tiny bit more about, starting from rhythm
((((Remember, if it ever shows PALE blue 3d pictures during a mission those things/people are memories of them as ancestors, not the spirits in the present. If it shows THICK blue 3d objects, those are objects the spirit WISHES it could have had attained.)))

Rhythm is about you reuniting a troupe of actors and musicians from across the land who had split up for some reason. I think after they split up, they seem to have died and that's where the past ends, so reuniting them probably is fully in the future, from beginning to end .
(but there probably is some blue memories that happen as things you have to collect or something[?] can someone please give me full details on how the quests of rhythm went lol)

In enchantment, again, the crashed ark is empty when We find it
Nothing but spirits, lost souls
The pots and all are there, but all scattered and knocked over, and those are Real 3d objects, so we can use those to determine that they cant have made the Ark base before, because nothing remotely resembles how it looks at the end of the season. ||(They also dont have the magic they needed to restore it; that required traveling the realms which they never got to do.)|| This is controversial to imply, as this statement assumes they died in the crash of the Ark, or at least, didn't live very long after due to lack of clean water. (or got killed by the Eye of Eden boom after getting stranded)

In sanctuary, it's bit trickier. I dont think they actually restored the bells on their own in the past. First off, the bells physically are shown being broken, and then the spirits make basic concepts of them over the broken bells, thick 3d models. "Look, this is what I wish I could have gotten, but we never found it..." Once you find them, the spirit materializes the thick 3d models to be real, purely out of the (determination?/confidence?) you give them to fulfill their wish.

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It's the exact same concept with assembly. The sticks and all that you grab are not exact memories but rather things they wish they had gotten enough of or at all during the past. You helping them grab so so so much of them now gives them the magical confidence they need as a spirit in Limbo to materialize those supplies and apply that to the treehouse.

Prophecy.... is one of the most complex, especially as a lore iceberg. We KNOW the trials were held in the past, but remember, the end goal of the season is to give power to the prophets as their wish so they can remember their prophecy they had made in the past, and then write it all over the ceiling lol. You giving them power IS, I believe, a wish granted to them. So I don't think they were ever this powerful before. We see paintings around realms of similar extremely powerful spells being used, like the fire one about forest, but we cant assume that was the prophet's Light. Winning the trials gives you those powers, but maybe the Chosen One in the past had taken all of those powers for themself. But this time you give it to the prophets instead of keeping those elemental Lights

And lastly Dreams. The "dream came true", so her story of dancing for the kingdom in the coliseum had to be real. In part 5 of dreams you do interact with skater in just a fun version of reliving her story, where you get to dance with her. The reason the story needed to be relived is because the guide (mother/grown skater/who knows) had forgotten the story and needed to remember it.

I can't discuss Flight yet, I havent finished part 4 or 5 of it @_@

[compact shale]

The murals of Ark imply that they did have the lights at one point, but the crash scattered them before they could use them. Not sure if it's a stretch or not

[wheat cypress]

sorry for barging in but could someone tell me which symbol pertains to which element in these light symbols?

all I know is that earth is the first one on the left

[tulip aspen]

not barging in at all, that might actually help our current convo lolol

earth, ?, water, ?, ?, fire

can anyone help fill those in
also, alani, is that at ark?

[wheat cypress]

yes

[tulip aspen]

any pics about it?
the paintings Nod makes across the ark's hull may not always be concrete facts, but also hopes and wishes fruity

[boreal nebula]

Same reaction
Different meanings

[wheat cypress]

I dug a little deeper but things are still a bit fuzzy, left to right it's earth, air, water, corruption or darkness? that's the one I'm not sure about, wisdom?, and fire

[raw crypt]

Earth, Air, Water, ??? It reveals the murals, ??? It builds the fabrics, Fire / brings everyone together

I’m not sure if the two specifically have associated elements but the promo material shows what light has what symbol, sorry if thats not what u were looking for GDJHDDH

[compact shale]

I linked an Ark Mural compilation a few messages ago, right. In that case, it would be in the first picture, mural 5.

How would we tell what Nod's depicting, however?

[boreal nebula]

Hold on.... Now I realize....

They recently changed the icons for Orange Light and Blue daily quests from these Enchantment icons....

[tulip aspen]

that's my point; we can't assume one way or the other, nor that every mural is as solid as a history book

you linked a mural comp? i dont see it

[raw crypt]

I think the spiral could be associated with light? with the murals being made of light, and and spirals according to google representing things such as rebirth and birth, life and creation, and I feel that is in line with skys themes of light

Also yes! They have been changed to the prophecy symbols of the elements.

[boreal nebula]

...into These Prophecy icons

They Lowkey Confirmed The Enchantment Light To Be Prophecy Elements

[compact shale]

Darn it. Here.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This discussion is totally Voluntary's type. Wonder what they would say if they were here.

[tulip aspen]

the spiral has always been associated with darkness

Nod did like drawing krills... @_@

jokes aside, the pic Alani posted doesn't necessarily mean they had the elemental Lights

OR
HEAR ME OUT
If im right about the enchantment and prophecy Lights, THEY ARE JUST SPELLS
whether that means they are one use or not, they ARE limited in their amount of long-winded power

Maybe the enchantment crew was always that powerful and that's how the built the Ark in the first place, but when the Ark crashed, either all the Light just was lost, or they were already out of supplies (maybe running out of magic was the reason the Ark crashed, but that's funny to think they may have just ran out of gas xD)

If this theory is right, the Lights we collect for enchantment, are completely new Lights they just need to restock their abilities

[tulip aspen]

mmmm maybe not

the symbols in the Enchantment quests probably havent changed

......unless TGC did it secretly in an update without us knowing

[tulip aspen]

also, the pic alani posted proves there are multiples of the Lights, we literally see two waters in the same painting

[boreal nebula]

We cannot be sure , but I think it's safe to presume Enchantment is safe

i think only the caption of the dailies is turned into the Lowkey hint

[compact shale]

Safe from what?

[raw crypt]

The spiral was always associated with darkness? Man I’m out of the loop OAHDHDH i should brush up on stuff bc im so bad at contributing here

[boreal nebula]

Safe from getting Enchantment Quest Symbols secretly updated

[compact shale]

Yeah, they definitely lost a lot of power during the crash. At the end of Shrug's memory, they try to cast a water purification spell, but it doesn't work and they don't know why.

[tulip aspen]

i was joking moreso about that

its just an art thematic

[boreal nebula]

I also think about darkness....
After all both the red lights are spotted in crashed areas (near Ark and on the shipwreck)

Maybe it's tied to tragedies

[tulip aspen]

:0000 SEEE
LETS GOOOO
WE'RE MAKING GROUND HERE

okayokayokay
so can we settle on my theory then?

prophecy isnt confirmed but im getting more and more confident ark's magic are ancient versions of spells

i want to figure out what's right so i can edit my giant season summary

[boreal nebula]

About the 2 blue lights in the painting... I always thought of those as 2 different story instants of the same Ark, before and after take-off

I dont remember the full picture but it's strange the crew (or TGC) rearrange the same lights inside the ship

Now that I think about... Remember the Shrug Alchemist used a blue light spell...

If there were 2 blue lights.. Maybe they salvage one during after the crash... Meaning they used it all to survive to drink and feed the crop, till they slowly run out
: "now what do we do?"

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Checked the picture just link related in Fruity's comment and yes, there were 2 Waters and 2 Airs (in the murals)

[compact shale]

Yeah, Shrug probably didn't have enough light for it to work, they were probably using a fragment they salvaged or happened to have in their pocket or smth

But when we get the blue light they now have enough power to make it work

[boreal nebula]

About the red light.. if it were tied to darkness and to tragedies...

...Maybe (iirc Muralist uses it to show us the murals) that's why it shows us their story, because it has a tragic ending

[willow prawn]

The reason why I think Ark is actually kind of settled in the past is because you see them surviving, painting, setting stuff and doing things in their memories. I suspect that once they died a natural death, the things got lost because it was their magic that kept it there.

Once they're spirits, they no longer have the power to just invoke it back, but they know where each element is (they were traveler/merchants before, so it makes sense they know because they probably picked them before crashing too), and when you give it to them, they can relive the place once more

About Shrug spell failing, I think it's because of the place. That cave has too much darkness to work, but it probably worked in the main area, and that's how they also watered the crops (such as mushrooms) to survive

That's my theory, anyways! Things being disarranged could just be the passage of time

[boreal nebula]

I just thought that maybe he had enough...
At least to supply water for weeks/months during their settlement and farming (after all the crab maze shows them getting plenty of water in pots)

But probably that Shrug's memory is from their latest period, when their had no more blue spell

[willow prawn]

Also, thinking more about Sanctuary. I think spirits were there before it broke down, and we're the ones who repair it after it breaks down and they die. I'm not sure about the color thing, would have to check again, but maybe the sanctuary guide is the only one who saw it broken down (the others seem more as tourists than residents because they're just chilling. Picking seashells, reading, doing extreme sports, tourism or hiking.)

But once you help Sanc Mama to bring it all back together, place becomes a Manta sanctuary again.

Also! That means they already used power crystals in that time, probably, or why did mantas need a safe place otherwise?

[tulip aspen]

that's a fantastic point!!!!

[willow prawn]

I do think the prophets were powerful enough, but the prophecy vanished in time. Once someone goes through the trials again, they regain their purpose and strength, bringing the memories back

No clue with Assembly, so I think I answered everything you answered to me while I was gone @tulip aspen

[boreal nebula]

So if Red is Tragedy...
Purple is what?

In some theories I read it's tied to Knowledge (it's found in the Archives with the Wise Granpa)
And iirc its effect on Ark is the final one, granting the cauldrons to prepare potions/spells for us (damn, I wish there were more seasons with a final/ultimate unlock like this, a completely new functionality of the game)

[tulip aspen]

yes that's why in my giant review of the seasons i established they were still actively walking around the desert at forgotten ark for a time

they clearly didnt have supplies tho and mustve died soon after

remember, the reliving and the season missions cant/dont have to be the same time.
they didnt have Light in the past for sure, and died like that, but they get Light back has we help them extract more from across the realms

[willow prawn]

Purple as knowledge makes a lot of sense, since it's also the classical meaning in color theory. Knowledge, wealth, royalty, etc.

But red... I guess tragedy is one way to define it, but not sure if I would call it that? Maybe it's past or memory, something of the sort. It just happens the story is tragic and we take it like that

[compact shale]

I've said this about red light before

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

the reason i think that beating the trials gives those 4 allpowerful elemental spells, is because if they already had those powers, they would have used them in the past, and the cave would already look beautiful

it took us giving them those spells by beating the trials for them, for them to attain that power

[willow prawn]

My problem with this interpretation is that we're assuming things were always like that, but we have to remember decadence! Cave may not be beautiful not because they never did it, but because it's been so long that the magic is over after passing.

Consider: the Sanctuary place probably worked once before we came. But it got deteriorated, just like Wind paths existed before but everything fell down (confirmed by Ash, lemme fetch it)

Here!

It's not that wind paths didn't exist before. Just that things broke down and spirits couldn't repair them on their own

[dense fractal]

here ye, here ye lore chat! i come with a theory!

tgc has recently released early concept art for the season of flight and this particular image has stuck with me.

could it be that what we can see here is a model of what an uncorrupted big power diamond looks like? similar to the one we see in eden!n

edit : sorry for cutting in mid conversation

[willow prawn]

Which one in Eden sorry? it does make sense... I don't know much about power diamonds yet

[tulip aspen]

the reason why wishes have to be about before they died and not after, is because they need a solid reason to have never ascended after all this time

you saying the cave or sanct bells fell apart later, implies they, what, came back down even after ascending long ago? i dont know if that works fam

this is why it needs to have been an active problem they never solved in the past

[lyric isle]

we talking coloured lights?

personal headcanon: red as knowledge/history, purple as technology

what do you think

[compact shale]

Well, aside from the darkness from the storm possibly keeping them stuck in the ground

After you remove that idk the implications of ascending someone without consent but it might not be a good idea so we have to deal with the last wish as well

[lyric isle]

also the “did the quests happen before or after death” debate? ooooo

would you consider the prophecy wisdoms the attributes of the lights themselves?

[dense fractal]

the big red one that spits out dangerous rocks! i have a theory that power diamonds when corrupted with darkness become similar to the red one in eden. what we see in concept art could be of a similar model!

edit :

for context, a power diamond is basically like a battery that powers the contraptions around sky. you can see it mostly being used in the elevators in the vault of knowledge and as well as a prop from the wise grandparent!

[lyric isle]

also yes, you summoned me with the whole enchantment-prophecy thing

[tulip aspen]

idk what u mean about ascending without consent but my point is

why would they need to stick around solely for the seasonal missions, prophets specifically

arabrax says the cave looked beautiful in the past when they died, but if that was the case they wouldnt need to fix anything, so when they die they should already be okay enough to ascend

if the cave broke down that much further into the future, then the spirits wouldn't be around to care, they should've already ascended on their own without a skid's help

[lyric isle]

kinda irrelevant but symbol headcanon is “maybe the symbols on the Ark (that Nod painted) are symbols for the lights amongst the light scholars/sorcerers? the Prophecy ones as the actual ones”

judging with the fact we explicitly see Nod in the process of creating the murals, the symbols are in-universe

[tulip aspen]

im running a theory rn that the enchantment and prophecy Lights are just special ancient elemental spells, and can and were already long since used up (and were not signature specific icons like you guys always say)

im trying to push that the enchantment lights are gotten from the environment, but the prophecy lights can only be gotten from beating the trials

[lyric isle]

elaborate on this? curious now

[tulip aspen]

the ancestors had spells, we see that in the nintendo trailer

by my current view, in ark, they used their magic spells to build and power the boat, and were going to travel to find more spells, but ran out of spells and the boat crashed. in their memories they are shown running around for a little longer, but with no water from the water spell, died due to lack of supplies (or to the eden explosion).
In the present we need to travel the realms to get more versions of the spells they need, and with that they create a restored base at the Ark crashsite

for prophecy, each trial gives one of the most powerful rare elemental spells, but as far as we know the prophets themselves never completed the trials, only the Chosen One, who we can assume kept all the power to themself (maybe even made the Eye of Eden with them, if the Chosen One really was the prince/king)
Since the prophets never got those powerful spells like they wanted, and feel regret for what they did to people during the trials, they stayed and waited for the player to show up and help them restore the cave with the power of the spells won from the trials, and then they tell the player the story of the trials and Chosen One by drawing on the ceiling lol

[wooden crypt]

So they just grabbed it from Castle in The Sky

[boreal nebula]

Btw... If Ash ever happens to login here there could be 3 geographic questions I would like to be answered (maybe even you could ask/copy-paste them for me)

1. Why is Eden not visible in some areas which don't seem too far away from the Eden Mountain?
   (Citadel, Village and Hermit Peek + Sanctuary)
   (Maybe only the last one could be justified, because there is alot of clouds which could be in the way and Eden Beacon "Relative Magnitude" isn't enough ||pretty sure that's fancy name to quantify the light of far out stars relatively to our Sun||)
   (Too Far Out option wouldn't be a suitable answer for me, after all it a giant space beam, and if my interpretation is tha Starlight Desert is a dreamlike memory of the far far desert seen in the Switch Desert, now completely dried out, then it should be visible in those locations no matter what)

2. Isn't it strange that the skilift Village → Stadium makes no sense?
   (Let's ignore the fact gondolas rise up in a way and turns out moving the other way around Gondolas go towards the bottom of the Trumpet Statue ramp, the one leading racers inside the Stadium, but turns out we don't end up on the left/Red side of the Stadium... Is it just a decision made to make the Stadium closer to the Village in order to remark how big would be the Skater's dream if come true? )

||3. Why I get the idea that the Yeti's Peek has the same shape and slope of scalene triangular mountain behind Valley cosmetics chiosks? 😏

(In my mind the Hermit's Peek route is actually passinf under the clouds before Valley Social Area in order to align with that scalene mountain (maybe I should try to draw my idea of how convoluted are Social Area-Village-Hermit Peek )||

[boreal nebula]

history you say... Interesting

[tulip aspen]

ash is the concept artist they prolly have little say or knowhow of the maps, or not as much as specific other devs anyways